<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_01_2140234</id>
	<title>AU Mobile Operator Optus Blocking Paid Android Apps</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1259695380000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>APC Magazine details how Optus, an Australian mobile phone operator, has for months been <a href="http://apcmag.com/optus-deliberately-blocking-android-paid-apps.htm">deliberately blocking access to Android paid apps</a>. <i>"Optus is the exclusive Australian mobile carrier for the HTC Dream and Samsung Galaxy Android phones, and yet people who signed a long-term contract for these phones have to date been blocked from buying paid Android apps and getting the full Android experience. ... APC found many <a href="http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1248135">angry and frustrated comments</a> on the Whirlpool community forums by Optus &amp; Virgin Mobile customers."</i> The article speculates, reading between the lines of the opaque comments offered by both Optus and Google, that the carrier is "demanding a cut of the sales revenue from Android apps if it is to remove its restriction on accessing them."</htmltext>
<tokenext>APC Magazine details how Optus , an Australian mobile phone operator , has for months been deliberately blocking access to Android paid apps .
" Optus is the exclusive Australian mobile carrier for the HTC Dream and Samsung Galaxy Android phones , and yet people who signed a long-term contract for these phones have to date been blocked from buying paid Android apps and getting the full Android experience .
... APC found many angry and frustrated comments on the Whirlpool community forums by Optus &amp; Virgin Mobile customers .
" The article speculates , reading between the lines of the opaque comments offered by both Optus and Google , that the carrier is " demanding a cut of the sales revenue from Android apps if it is to remove its restriction on accessing them .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>APC Magazine details how Optus, an Australian mobile phone operator, has for months been deliberately blocking access to Android paid apps.
"Optus is the exclusive Australian mobile carrier for the HTC Dream and Samsung Galaxy Android phones, and yet people who signed a long-term contract for these phones have to date been blocked from buying paid Android apps and getting the full Android experience.
... APC found many angry and frustrated comments on the Whirlpool community forums by Optus &amp; Virgin Mobile customers.
" The article speculates, reading between the lines of the opaque comments offered by both Optus and Google, that the carrier is "demanding a cut of the sales revenue from Android apps if it is to remove its restriction on accessing them.
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30296130</id>
	<title>Fuck Optus</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259589060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Optus turned to shit when earlier this year they unilaterally decided to start charging $2.20 to mail their bills under the guise of "being green".</p><p>Not even the banks I have accounts with are crooked enough to charge for mailing statements.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Optus turned to shit when earlier this year they unilaterally decided to start charging $ 2.20 to mail their bills under the guise of " being green " .Not even the banks I have accounts with are crooked enough to charge for mailing statements .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Optus turned to shit when earlier this year they unilaterally decided to start charging $2.20 to mail their bills under the guise of "being green".Not even the banks I have accounts with are crooked enough to charge for mailing statements.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30304550</id>
	<title>Re:Fuck Optus</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259582280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Banks can't assume you have an e-mail address, but an ISP knows which e-mail addresses you have with them, and can put it in their T&amp;C that yes, we will be e-mailing you softcopies of your invoices unless you specify otherwise, and because it costs us for printing, stationery, labour (envelope stuffing and running them down to the post office) and postage, we will charge you.</p><p>They probably also have in their T&amp;C that their T&amp;C can change with no notice and you have to like it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Banks ca n't assume you have an e-mail address , but an ISP knows which e-mail addresses you have with them , and can put it in their T&amp;C that yes , we will be e-mailing you softcopies of your invoices unless you specify otherwise , and because it costs us for printing , stationery , labour ( envelope stuffing and running them down to the post office ) and postage , we will charge you.They probably also have in their T&amp;C that their T&amp;C can change with no notice and you have to like it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Banks can't assume you have an e-mail address, but an ISP knows which e-mail addresses you have with them, and can put it in their T&amp;C that yes, we will be e-mailing you softcopies of your invoices unless you specify otherwise, and because it costs us for printing, stationery, labour (envelope stuffing and running them down to the post office) and postage, we will charge you.They probably also have in their T&amp;C that their T&amp;C can change with no notice and you have to like it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30296130</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30294948</id>
	<title>Wifi's not an option?</title>
	<author>Random5</author>
	<datestamp>1259575020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wifi with an Optus SIM won't give you access to the paid market? That sucks. Glad I'm with vodafone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wifi with an Optus SIM wo n't give you access to the paid market ?
That sucks .
Glad I 'm with vodafone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wifi with an Optus SIM won't give you access to the paid market?
That sucks.
Glad I'm with vodafone.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30295042</id>
	<title>Re:This should be interesting</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259576040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Next they will be asking for a cut of any credit card or Google checkout purchase when people buy things via the android... what a bunch of C**TS..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Next they will be asking for a cut of any credit card or Google checkout purchase when people buy things via the android... what a bunch of C * * TS. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Next they will be asking for a cut of any credit card or Google checkout purchase when people buy things via the android... what a bunch of C**TS..</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30294568</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30296902</id>
	<title>Re:Not the only country, get in line.</title>
	<author>the ReviveR</author>
	<datestamp>1259594520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This really needs to be illegal. The possibilities of blackmailing software providers and harming users is pretty much endless when the carrier gets to decide the firewall settings.</p><p>That said, luckily they can't pull this shit with my N900. Anyone could make a new copy of the software repository, use proxy or simply go through WiFi if the 3g is blocked.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This really needs to be illegal .
The possibilities of blackmailing software providers and harming users is pretty much endless when the carrier gets to decide the firewall settings.That said , luckily they ca n't pull this shit with my N900 .
Anyone could make a new copy of the software repository , use proxy or simply go through WiFi if the 3g is blocked .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This really needs to be illegal.
The possibilities of blackmailing software providers and harming users is pretty much endless when the carrier gets to decide the firewall settings.That said, luckily they can't pull this shit with my N900.
Anyone could make a new copy of the software repository, use proxy or simply go through WiFi if the 3g is blocked.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30294966</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30305156</id>
	<title>Google/HTC's fault as much as Optus</title>
	<author>sethanon</author>
	<datestamp>1259584620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've got an HTC Hero which is connected through Optus. The phone wasn't available in Australia when I bought it so I imported it. I think it was originally intended for Malaysia. It doesn't have Android Market installed on it and as far as I can tell, Google won't provide access to it.</p><p>Optus is may be trying to direct app sales to their own marketplace by not selling phones with Android Marketplace installed but the real problem seems to lie with Google for coming up with the "Google Experience" concept and HTC for trying to get exclusive deals with telcos (and offering phones without Android market as part of those deals.)</p><p>If Google wasn't trying to restrict access to the Market this wouldn't be an issue. Optus could block traffic or do whatever they want but if Google wasn't blocking access to the Market I could access it over wi-fi and Optus wouldn't know the difference.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've got an HTC Hero which is connected through Optus .
The phone was n't available in Australia when I bought it so I imported it .
I think it was originally intended for Malaysia .
It does n't have Android Market installed on it and as far as I can tell , Google wo n't provide access to it.Optus is may be trying to direct app sales to their own marketplace by not selling phones with Android Marketplace installed but the real problem seems to lie with Google for coming up with the " Google Experience " concept and HTC for trying to get exclusive deals with telcos ( and offering phones without Android market as part of those deals .
) If Google was n't trying to restrict access to the Market this would n't be an issue .
Optus could block traffic or do whatever they want but if Google was n't blocking access to the Market I could access it over wi-fi and Optus would n't know the difference .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've got an HTC Hero which is connected through Optus.
The phone wasn't available in Australia when I bought it so I imported it.
I think it was originally intended for Malaysia.
It doesn't have Android Market installed on it and as far as I can tell, Google won't provide access to it.Optus is may be trying to direct app sales to their own marketplace by not selling phones with Android Marketplace installed but the real problem seems to lie with Google for coming up with the "Google Experience" concept and HTC for trying to get exclusive deals with telcos (and offering phones without Android market as part of those deals.
)If Google wasn't trying to restrict access to the Market this wouldn't be an issue.
Optus could block traffic or do whatever they want but if Google wasn't blocking access to the Market I could access it over wi-fi and Optus wouldn't know the difference.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30295362</id>
	<title>Re:It comes down to simple numbers</title>
	<author>AuMatar</author>
	<datestamp>1259580240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>5)How many users actually buy android apps?  Free apps are the vast vast majority of downloads.<br>6)Why can't those users just turn off the non-marketplace firewall and install via download from the producer?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>5 ) How many users actually buy android apps ?
Free apps are the vast vast majority of downloads.6 ) Why ca n't those users just turn off the non-marketplace firewall and install via download from the producer ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>5)How many users actually buy android apps?
Free apps are the vast vast majority of downloads.6)Why can't those users just turn off the non-marketplace firewall and install via download from the producer?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30294632</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30301192</id>
	<title>Memo for telcos</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259614500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are a dumb pipe.  Get over it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are a dumb pipe .
Get over it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are a dumb pipe.
Get over it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30294820</id>
	<title>Different from Canada?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259572920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So this is different from how you can't get paid apps from the Android Market in Canada, Sweden and such?  Or are the restrictions in those markets the result of malice, too, instead of incompetence or laziness?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So this is different from how you ca n't get paid apps from the Android Market in Canada , Sweden and such ?
Or are the restrictions in those markets the result of malice , too , instead of incompetence or laziness ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So this is different from how you can't get paid apps from the Android Market in Canada, Sweden and such?
Or are the restrictions in those markets the result of malice, too, instead of incompetence or laziness?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30295016</id>
	<title>Re:30\% fee on apps</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259575500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Umm... the customer already PAID for the bandwidth required to receive your app. They pay for that every month!</p><p>Google uses that 30\% to pay for the bandwidth required to get the bits TO Optus.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Umm... the customer already PAID for the bandwidth required to receive your app .
They pay for that every month ! Google uses that 30 \ % to pay for the bandwidth required to get the bits TO Optus .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Umm... the customer already PAID for the bandwidth required to receive your app.
They pay for that every month!Google uses that 30\% to pay for the bandwidth required to get the bits TO Optus.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30294892</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30295038</id>
	<title>Breach of contract</title>
	<author>mcvos</author>
	<datestamp>1259576040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know what kind of contract the Optus victims customers have, but if I got an Android phone through Optus and they're intentionally blocking Android services, then I'd definitely consider that breach of contract. In form them of that, get a new sim-only contract elsewhere, and stop paying the old contract.</p><p>Or sue them. This sounds deserving of a class action suit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know what kind of contract the Optus victims customers have , but if I got an Android phone through Optus and they 're intentionally blocking Android services , then I 'd definitely consider that breach of contract .
In form them of that , get a new sim-only contract elsewhere , and stop paying the old contract.Or sue them .
This sounds deserving of a class action suit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know what kind of contract the Optus victims customers have, but if I got an Android phone through Optus and they're intentionally blocking Android services, then I'd definitely consider that breach of contract.
In form them of that, get a new sim-only contract elsewhere, and stop paying the old contract.Or sue them.
This sounds deserving of a class action suit.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30294568</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30294736</id>
	<title>Re:This should be interesting</title>
	<author>DMiax</author>
	<datestamp>1259614740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I bet it is not the customers</htmltext>
<tokenext>I bet it is not the customers</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bet it is not the customers</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30294568</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30295140</id>
	<title>Double dipping?</title>
	<author>TrancePhreak</author>
	<datestamp>1259577480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Aren't people already paying for the data plan through Optus? Sounds like a case of double dipping to me. While not illegal in this case, sure is shady.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are n't people already paying for the data plan through Optus ?
Sounds like a case of double dipping to me .
While not illegal in this case , sure is shady .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Aren't people already paying for the data plan through Optus?
Sounds like a case of double dipping to me.
While not illegal in this case, sure is shady.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30295640</id>
	<title>This is what iPhone got right...</title>
	<author>Purist</author>
	<datestamp>1259583780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>

IMO, the iPhone app store is probably the single biggest innovation of the iPhone...and it's not even a technological innovation so much as an assertion that things should be done the right way for a change.  Here in the states as well as abroad, Apple used its power to strong arm their cellular partners into acting the way they should act - as an INFRASTRUCTURE provider.
<br> <br>
Cellular companies have always been very short sighted about their role with respect to applications at the end point.  They would push crappy applications (cellular companies don't know how to develop mobile applications!) to the device via tightly regulated network access and the result was a horrible customer experience.  Thanks to the iPhone app store, those days are coming to and end.  The fact that Verizon (historically one of the WORST culprits) here in the U.S. is allowing unfettered access to Android Market is indicative of this fact.
<br> <br>
M</htmltext>
<tokenext>IMO , the iPhone app store is probably the single biggest innovation of the iPhone...and it 's not even a technological innovation so much as an assertion that things should be done the right way for a change .
Here in the states as well as abroad , Apple used its power to strong arm their cellular partners into acting the way they should act - as an INFRASTRUCTURE provider .
Cellular companies have always been very short sighted about their role with respect to applications at the end point .
They would push crappy applications ( cellular companies do n't know how to develop mobile applications !
) to the device via tightly regulated network access and the result was a horrible customer experience .
Thanks to the iPhone app store , those days are coming to and end .
The fact that Verizon ( historically one of the WORST culprits ) here in the U.S. is allowing unfettered access to Android Market is indicative of this fact .
M</tokentext>
<sentencetext>

IMO, the iPhone app store is probably the single biggest innovation of the iPhone...and it's not even a technological innovation so much as an assertion that things should be done the right way for a change.
Here in the states as well as abroad, Apple used its power to strong arm their cellular partners into acting the way they should act - as an INFRASTRUCTURE provider.
Cellular companies have always been very short sighted about their role with respect to applications at the end point.
They would push crappy applications (cellular companies don't know how to develop mobile applications!
) to the device via tightly regulated network access and the result was a horrible customer experience.
Thanks to the iPhone app store, those days are coming to and end.
The fact that Verizon (historically one of the WORST culprits) here in the U.S. is allowing unfettered access to Android Market is indicative of this fact.
M</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30295226</id>
	<title>Re:ummmm....</title>
	<author>MichaelSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1259578740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't find the reason in the article but I suppose the phone is hard coded to go to one host for the apps. With wifi you could intercept traffic for that host to your server but I suppose a certificate could be used to make life difficult for hackers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't find the reason in the article but I suppose the phone is hard coded to go to one host for the apps .
With wifi you could intercept traffic for that host to your server but I suppose a certificate could be used to make life difficult for hackers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't find the reason in the article but I suppose the phone is hard coded to go to one host for the apps.
With wifi you could intercept traffic for that host to your server but I suppose a certificate could be used to make life difficult for hackers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30294866</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30294866</id>
	<title>ummmm....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259573520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So I'm not saying that what Optus is doing is right, but can't ppl get paid apps if they use wifi instead of the gprs or 3g or edge or what ever they have in Australia?</p><p>I got a Motorola cliq from T-mobile and wasn't able to add a data plan to my phone right away but was able to use WiFi to install anything I wanted from the Market.  Do those phones not have WiFi?  Once again I'm not saying that it is right what the phone company is doing, but maybe there hasn't been a huge negative reaction because it is pretty simple to get around the block.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So I 'm not saying that what Optus is doing is right , but ca n't ppl get paid apps if they use wifi instead of the gprs or 3g or edge or what ever they have in Australia ? I got a Motorola cliq from T-mobile and was n't able to add a data plan to my phone right away but was able to use WiFi to install anything I wanted from the Market .
Do those phones not have WiFi ?
Once again I 'm not saying that it is right what the phone company is doing , but maybe there has n't been a huge negative reaction because it is pretty simple to get around the block .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So I'm not saying that what Optus is doing is right, but can't ppl get paid apps if they use wifi instead of the gprs or 3g or edge or what ever they have in Australia?I got a Motorola cliq from T-mobile and wasn't able to add a data plan to my phone right away but was able to use WiFi to install anything I wanted from the Market.
Do those phones not have WiFi?
Once again I'm not saying that it is right what the phone company is doing, but maybe there hasn't been a huge negative reaction because it is pretty simple to get around the block.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30294806</id>
	<title>Wifi?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259572560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If the summary is indeed correct about optus being a "mobile carrier" (yeah, big IF, i know), then couldn't you just install/download the apps via wifi?
<br> <br>
I know it's more convenient to do it via 3g, but it's not like they are not able to install them at all.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If the summary is indeed correct about optus being a " mobile carrier " ( yeah , big IF , i know ) , then could n't you just install/download the apps via wifi ?
I know it 's more convenient to do it via 3g , but it 's not like they are not able to install them at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the summary is indeed correct about optus being a "mobile carrier" (yeah, big IF, i know), then couldn't you just install/download the apps via wifi?
I know it's more convenient to do it via 3g, but it's not like they are not able to install them at all.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30298312</id>
	<title>Re:Different from Canada?</title>
	<author>Azarael</author>
	<datestamp>1259601480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think that Rogers just had HTC remove the paid app functionality from the phone, and surprise surprise, Rogers has their own paid market instead (which is useless). I'm considering reinstalling the OS to turn my Dream into a regular Google phone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think that Rogers just had HTC remove the paid app functionality from the phone , and surprise surprise , Rogers has their own paid market instead ( which is useless ) .
I 'm considering reinstalling the OS to turn my Dream into a regular Google phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think that Rogers just had HTC remove the paid app functionality from the phone, and surprise surprise, Rogers has their own paid market instead (which is useless).
I'm considering reinstalling the OS to turn my Dream into a regular Google phone.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30294820</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30294632</id>
	<title>It comes down to simple numbers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259613540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I ask myself this:</p><p>1) What fraction of Google's global Android paid-apps revenue could Optus/AU represent?<br>2) What fraction of Google's global Android paid-apps revenue could be lost if a payoff precedent is set?<br>3) What fraction of Android users will sit salivating in the window, deprived of the full benefit of their hardware, just to remain Optus customers, while their friends on other ISPs are not restrained?<br>4) What right does an access provider have to block legal access by their customers. By what argument are their customers *not* being  deprived of they kind of access for which they are paying? This is as much a question of user perception as local legal technicalities, but it sounds like Optus has been thinking in terms of the latter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ask myself this : 1 ) What fraction of Google 's global Android paid-apps revenue could Optus/AU represent ? 2 ) What fraction of Google 's global Android paid-apps revenue could be lost if a payoff precedent is set ? 3 ) What fraction of Android users will sit salivating in the window , deprived of the full benefit of their hardware , just to remain Optus customers , while their friends on other ISPs are not restrained ? 4 ) What right does an access provider have to block legal access by their customers .
By what argument are their customers * not * being deprived of they kind of access for which they are paying ?
This is as much a question of user perception as local legal technicalities , but it sounds like Optus has been thinking in terms of the latter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I ask myself this:1) What fraction of Google's global Android paid-apps revenue could Optus/AU represent?2) What fraction of Google's global Android paid-apps revenue could be lost if a payoff precedent is set?3) What fraction of Android users will sit salivating in the window, deprived of the full benefit of their hardware, just to remain Optus customers, while their friends on other ISPs are not restrained?4) What right does an access provider have to block legal access by their customers.
By what argument are their customers *not* being  deprived of they kind of access for which they are paying?
This is as much a question of user perception as local legal technicalities, but it sounds like Optus has been thinking in terms of the latter.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30294832</id>
	<title>Re:This should be interesting</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1259573100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I bet I know who wins this battle.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>

For an Australian phone company only one thing can haemorrhage money faster then negative publicity and that's a visit from the ACCC.<br> <br>

The question is does the ACCC think this is worth their time.</p><blockquote><div><p> born of its original monopoly status.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>

Telstra was the monopoly, born of Telecom Australia when it was privatised in the 90's. Optus was the first new, entirely private telco, Optus is majority owned by Singtel (Singapore). Our government, when privatising our telecommunication infrastructure had the wisdom and foresight to put in place good regulation to prevent a US style balkanisation.<br> <br>

Not withstanding that there are only three mobile network providers in Australia, Telstra, Optus and Vodafone/Hutchinson Australia. All others are MNVO's and/or subsidiaries using one of the three networks, on the plus side I can get access to all three networks in all major population area's and Australian telco regulations allow me to roam for no cost (calls and texts only).</p><blockquote><div><p>I believe they shall find that their customer's have more power</p></div></blockquote><p>
We've always had a good measure of power, via the Telecommunications Industry Ombudsman (TIO) but the TIO's mandate is they can only act on violations of regulations, codes/standards of practice, laws or terms of service/contacts. It's a black cheque that says to the telco's if you screw with your customers we'll screw with you and good.</p><blockquote><div><p>It won't look good to the Board of Directors when customers flee to the competition in droves the minute their contracts are up.</p></div></blockquote><p>

Up until Voda/Three released the Magic, the majority of Android handsets came in from overseas using our grey import laws. A lot of them still do given the strength of the AUD vs the EUR and GBP.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I bet I know who wins this battle .
For an Australian phone company only one thing can haemorrhage money faster then negative publicity and that 's a visit from the ACCC .
The question is does the ACCC think this is worth their time .
born of its original monopoly status .
Telstra was the monopoly , born of Telecom Australia when it was privatised in the 90 's .
Optus was the first new , entirely private telco , Optus is majority owned by Singtel ( Singapore ) .
Our government , when privatising our telecommunication infrastructure had the wisdom and foresight to put in place good regulation to prevent a US style balkanisation .
Not withstanding that there are only three mobile network providers in Australia , Telstra , Optus and Vodafone/Hutchinson Australia .
All others are MNVO 's and/or subsidiaries using one of the three networks , on the plus side I can get access to all three networks in all major population area 's and Australian telco regulations allow me to roam for no cost ( calls and texts only ) .I believe they shall find that their customer 's have more power We 've always had a good measure of power , via the Telecommunications Industry Ombudsman ( TIO ) but the TIO 's mandate is they can only act on violations of regulations , codes/standards of practice , laws or terms of service/contacts .
It 's a black cheque that says to the telco 's if you screw with your customers we 'll screw with you and good.It wo n't look good to the Board of Directors when customers flee to the competition in droves the minute their contracts are up .
Up until Voda/Three released the Magic , the majority of Android handsets came in from overseas using our grey import laws .
A lot of them still do given the strength of the AUD vs the EUR and GBP .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bet I know who wins this battle.
For an Australian phone company only one thing can haemorrhage money faster then negative publicity and that's a visit from the ACCC.
The question is does the ACCC think this is worth their time.
born of its original monopoly status.
Telstra was the monopoly, born of Telecom Australia when it was privatised in the 90's.
Optus was the first new, entirely private telco, Optus is majority owned by Singtel (Singapore).
Our government, when privatising our telecommunication infrastructure had the wisdom and foresight to put in place good regulation to prevent a US style balkanisation.
Not withstanding that there are only three mobile network providers in Australia, Telstra, Optus and Vodafone/Hutchinson Australia.
All others are MNVO's and/or subsidiaries using one of the three networks, on the plus side I can get access to all three networks in all major population area's and Australian telco regulations allow me to roam for no cost (calls and texts only).I believe they shall find that their customer's have more power
We've always had a good measure of power, via the Telecommunications Industry Ombudsman (TIO) but the TIO's mandate is they can only act on violations of regulations, codes/standards of practice, laws or terms of service/contacts.
It's a black cheque that says to the telco's if you screw with your customers we'll screw with you and good.It won't look good to the Board of Directors when customers flee to the competition in droves the minute their contracts are up.
Up until Voda/Three released the Magic, the majority of Android handsets came in from overseas using our grey import laws.
A lot of them still do given the strength of the AUD vs the EUR and GBP.
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30296792</id>
	<title>Re:Breach of contract</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259593860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Certainly when I got my Android phone yesterday, access to the Android app store was a positive point that was pointed out repeatedly (I was threatening to leave to get an iPhone, so I got a discounted package).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Certainly when I got my Android phone yesterday , access to the Android app store was a positive point that was pointed out repeatedly ( I was threatening to leave to get an iPhone , so I got a discounted package ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Certainly when I got my Android phone yesterday, access to the Android app store was a positive point that was pointed out repeatedly (I was threatening to leave to get an iPhone, so I got a discounted package).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30295038</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30296058</id>
	<title>Re:Different from Canada?</title>
	<author>jrumney</author>
	<datestamp>1259588460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>That was my first thought (from Malaysia, I can't even get access to free apps on the Android Marketplace - which I consider downright EVIL of Google), but Australia is <a href="http://www.google.com/support/androidmarket/bin/answer.py?hl=en&amp;answer=143779" title="google.com">listed</a> [google.com] as one of the few countries where paid apps are available.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That was my first thought ( from Malaysia , I ca n't even get access to free apps on the Android Marketplace - which I consider downright EVIL of Google ) , but Australia is listed [ google.com ] as one of the few countries where paid apps are available .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That was my first thought (from Malaysia, I can't even get access to free apps on the Android Marketplace - which I consider downright EVIL of Google), but Australia is listed [google.com] as one of the few countries where paid apps are available.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30294820</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30295004</id>
	<title>Re:Wifi?</title>
	<author>unfunk</author>
	<datestamp>1259575440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>No. You need a valid SIM in your phone to access the market, and as far as I can tell (with my HTC Magic on Virgin), you can only download apps over 3G. You can queue them up over WiFi, but I've never seen an app start downloading until I've disconnected from WiFi.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No .
You need a valid SIM in your phone to access the market , and as far as I can tell ( with my HTC Magic on Virgin ) , you can only download apps over 3G .
You can queue them up over WiFi , but I 've never seen an app start downloading until I 've disconnected from WiFi .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No.
You need a valid SIM in your phone to access the market, and as far as I can tell (with my HTC Magic on Virgin), you can only download apps over 3G.
You can queue them up over WiFi, but I've never seen an app start downloading until I've disconnected from WiFi.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30296356</id>
	<title>Re:It comes down to simple numbers</title>
	<author>Bakkster</author>
	<datestamp>1259591100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What right does an access provider have to block legal access by their customers. By what argument are their customers *not* being  deprived of they kind of access for which they are paying? This is as much a question of user perception as local legal technicalities, but it sounds like Optus has been thinking in terms of the latter.</p></div><p>Seems like a good example of why net neutrality regulations need to extend to mobile developers.  "Oh, you can download applications, but if you spend money on them we want a cut".  Sorry buddy, I'm already paying you for service, deal with it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What right does an access provider have to block legal access by their customers .
By what argument are their customers * not * being deprived of they kind of access for which they are paying ?
This is as much a question of user perception as local legal technicalities , but it sounds like Optus has been thinking in terms of the latter.Seems like a good example of why net neutrality regulations need to extend to mobile developers .
" Oh , you can download applications , but if you spend money on them we want a cut " .
Sorry buddy , I 'm already paying you for service , deal with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What right does an access provider have to block legal access by their customers.
By what argument are their customers *not* being  deprived of they kind of access for which they are paying?
This is as much a question of user perception as local legal technicalities, but it sounds like Optus has been thinking in terms of the latter.Seems like a good example of why net neutrality regulations need to extend to mobile developers.
"Oh, you can download applications, but if you spend money on them we want a cut".
Sorry buddy, I'm already paying you for service, deal with it.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30294632</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30295062</id>
	<title>Yeah well</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259576280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is why you choose 3 or Vodaphone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is why you choose 3 or Vodaphone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is why you choose 3 or Vodaphone.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30295578</id>
	<title>There ARE ways around it</title>
	<author>Rennt</author>
	<datestamp>1259583060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://code.google.com/p/market-enabler/" title="google.com">Market Enabler</a> [google.com] allows you to fake your network to the Market (root access required).<br>
I've been buying payed apps in Australia since Cupcake, using Markets in the US and EU.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Market Enabler [ google.com ] allows you to fake your network to the Market ( root access required ) .
I 've been buying payed apps in Australia since Cupcake , using Markets in the US and EU .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Market Enabler [google.com] allows you to fake your network to the Market (root access required).
I've been buying payed apps in Australia since Cupcake, using Markets in the US and EU.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30295174</id>
	<title>Re:Why everyone hates Optus</title>
	<author>MichaelSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1259578080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Back when optus was new I had one of their mobile phones and I diverted my telstra landline to the optus phone when I was out. My bill just told me how many 25 cent units I had used but I wanted to know if turning the diversion on and off cost me money so I called telstra and asked them. They came back after about five minutes and said <b>we can't answer that question because you have selcted optus for long distance calls</b>. In other words. STFU.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Back when optus was new I had one of their mobile phones and I diverted my telstra landline to the optus phone when I was out .
My bill just told me how many 25 cent units I had used but I wanted to know if turning the diversion on and off cost me money so I called telstra and asked them .
They came back after about five minutes and said we ca n't answer that question because you have selcted optus for long distance calls .
In other words .
STFU .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Back when optus was new I had one of their mobile phones and I diverted my telstra landline to the optus phone when I was out.
My bill just told me how many 25 cent units I had used but I wanted to know if turning the diversion on and off cost me money so I called telstra and asked them.
They came back after about five minutes and said we can't answer that question because you have selcted optus for long distance calls.
In other words.
STFU.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30294818</id>
	<title>Re:Screw Optus, go Vodafone</title>
	<author>salmonmoose</author>
	<datestamp>1259572800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Marketplace works on Telstra. Although rumor has it that Telstra are blocking Android because it competes with their online services (and doesn't have the strong brand recognition of the iPhone).</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Marketplace works on Telstra .
Although rumor has it that Telstra are blocking Android because it competes with their online services ( and does n't have the strong brand recognition of the iPhone ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Marketplace works on Telstra.
Although rumor has it that Telstra are blocking Android because it competes with their online services (and doesn't have the strong brand recognition of the iPhone).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30294776</id>
	<title>Re:This should be interesting</title>
	<author>ColaMan</author>
	<datestamp>1259572260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>born of its original monopoly status.</i></p><p>That would be an interesting premise, considering that Optus was the first "new" carrier allowed to operate in Australia after the privatisation of Telecom.</p><p>Their catchphrase/tagline, by the way, is "Yes". Guess that doesn't apply to Android apps.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>born of its original monopoly status.That would be an interesting premise , considering that Optus was the first " new " carrier allowed to operate in Australia after the privatisation of Telecom.Their catchphrase/tagline , by the way , is " Yes " .
Guess that does n't apply to Android apps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>born of its original monopoly status.That would be an interesting premise, considering that Optus was the first "new" carrier allowed to operate in Australia after the privatisation of Telecom.Their catchphrase/tagline, by the way, is "Yes".
Guess that doesn't apply to Android apps.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30302822</id>
	<title>Optus</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259576580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They are the same scummy people that charge you $10 a month to be able to tether and use up the bandwidth you have already paid for. So they'll sell you internet, but you need to pay $10 a month to use it as you see fit.</p><p>Then there is the problem with the quality of their service. It happens on a weekly basis that I cannot get 3G or any internet connection on my iPhone in the middle of Brisbane CBD. Then the amount of dropped calls when I am at home in one of the Eastern Suburbs, not more than 10Km from the CBD. It is almost impossible to rely on Optus.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They are the same scummy people that charge you $ 10 a month to be able to tether and use up the bandwidth you have already paid for .
So they 'll sell you internet , but you need to pay $ 10 a month to use it as you see fit.Then there is the problem with the quality of their service .
It happens on a weekly basis that I can not get 3G or any internet connection on my iPhone in the middle of Brisbane CBD .
Then the amount of dropped calls when I am at home in one of the Eastern Suburbs , not more than 10Km from the CBD .
It is almost impossible to rely on Optus .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are the same scummy people that charge you $10 a month to be able to tether and use up the bandwidth you have already paid for.
So they'll sell you internet, but you need to pay $10 a month to use it as you see fit.Then there is the problem with the quality of their service.
It happens on a weekly basis that I cannot get 3G or any internet connection on my iPhone in the middle of Brisbane CBD.
Then the amount of dropped calls when I am at home in one of the Eastern Suburbs, not more than 10Km from the CBD.
It is almost impossible to rely on Optus.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30294966</id>
	<title>Not the only country, get in line.</title>
	<author>w0mprat</author>
	<datestamp>1259575140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have Android phone in NZ and the paid apps were unavailable for months on the Vodafone network, even with after market firmware which should have enabled paid apps. For a long while Vodafone could not provide any information when asked about this. This was/has also been occuring in China South Africa, Ireland, Brazil, Israel, Switzerland, and a few other countries. However the reasons vary and one should not attribute to malice what could be attributed to red tape (um.. same thing?).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have Android phone in NZ and the paid apps were unavailable for months on the Vodafone network , even with after market firmware which should have enabled paid apps .
For a long while Vodafone could not provide any information when asked about this .
This was/has also been occuring in China South Africa , Ireland , Brazil , Israel , Switzerland , and a few other countries .
However the reasons vary and one should not attribute to malice what could be attributed to red tape ( um.. same thing ?
) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have Android phone in NZ and the paid apps were unavailable for months on the Vodafone network, even with after market firmware which should have enabled paid apps.
For a long while Vodafone could not provide any information when asked about this.
This was/has also been occuring in China South Africa, Ireland, Brazil, Israel, Switzerland, and a few other countries.
However the reasons vary and one should not attribute to malice what could be attributed to red tape (um.. same thing?
).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30295760</id>
	<title>Re:Wifi?</title>
	<author>PhilHibbs</author>
	<datestamp>1259585100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's just bizarre. The iPhone will <i>only</i> download or update large apps over wifi, it simply refuses anything over 10MB over 3G or GPRS. I think most people use iTunes on their PC or Mac to download apps.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's just bizarre .
The iPhone will only download or update large apps over wifi , it simply refuses anything over 10MB over 3G or GPRS .
I think most people use iTunes on their PC or Mac to download apps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's just bizarre.
The iPhone will only download or update large apps over wifi, it simply refuses anything over 10MB over 3G or GPRS.
I think most people use iTunes on their PC or Mac to download apps.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30301852</id>
	<title>Re:Wifi?</title>
	<author>farble1670</author>
	<datestamp>1259573640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>if that's true, then it's another provider-specific hack. i download apps over wifi all the time. considering i don't have 3g access in my dungeon / house, i'd be pretty upset if that was the case.</htmltext>
<tokenext>if that 's true , then it 's another provider-specific hack .
i download apps over wifi all the time .
considering i do n't have 3g access in my dungeon / house , i 'd be pretty upset if that was the case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if that's true, then it's another provider-specific hack.
i download apps over wifi all the time.
considering i don't have 3g access in my dungeon / house, i'd be pretty upset if that was the case.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30295004</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30295002</id>
	<title>Another reason to keep Optus on my blacklist</title>
	<author>jonwil</author>
	<datestamp>1259575440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have already blacklisted Optus for other reasons (including their crappy ads and the fact that at the time I was looking, they didnt include data in their caps but Vodafone did) and this block is even more reason not to purchase anything through these idiots (their fixed line and internet services arent any better either)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have already blacklisted Optus for other reasons ( including their crappy ads and the fact that at the time I was looking , they didnt include data in their caps but Vodafone did ) and this block is even more reason not to purchase anything through these idiots ( their fixed line and internet services arent any better either )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have already blacklisted Optus for other reasons (including their crappy ads and the fact that at the time I was looking, they didnt include data in their caps but Vodafone did) and this block is even more reason not to purchase anything through these idiots (their fixed line and internet services arent any better either)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30294892</id>
	<title>30\% fee on apps</title>
	<author>Rasperin</author>
	<datestamp>1259574120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wait one freaking minute! That 30\% google is so kindly taking off each one of my sales was supposed to go back to the telecommunication company anyways to "pay for the bandwidth required to supply my app".</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait one freaking minute !
That 30 \ % google is so kindly taking off each one of my sales was supposed to go back to the telecommunication company anyways to " pay for the bandwidth required to supply my app " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait one freaking minute!
That 30\% google is so kindly taking off each one of my sales was supposed to go back to the telecommunication company anyways to "pay for the bandwidth required to supply my app".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30295280</id>
	<title>Silly Telcos.</title>
	<author>yanguang</author>
	<datestamp>1259579280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Customer buys paid apps. Customer uses more data through paid apps. Customer pays for data use. More customers start buying data plans to be able to buy and use paid apps.</p><p>Telco bans paid apps. Customers can't get paid apps. Data use significantly reduced. Less paying for data use. Less customers buy data plans.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Customer buys paid apps .
Customer uses more data through paid apps .
Customer pays for data use .
More customers start buying data plans to be able to buy and use paid apps.Telco bans paid apps .
Customers ca n't get paid apps .
Data use significantly reduced .
Less paying for data use .
Less customers buy data plans .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Customer buys paid apps.
Customer uses more data through paid apps.
Customer pays for data use.
More customers start buying data plans to be able to buy and use paid apps.Telco bans paid apps.
Customers can't get paid apps.
Data use significantly reduced.
Less paying for data use.
Less customers buy data plans.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30294568</id>
	<title>This should be interesting</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259612820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>I bet I know who wins this battle.<br><br>The question here is who is more powerful--the phone company or its customers.&nbsp; To date, the phone company has become accustomed to overwhelming advantages, born of its original monopoly status.<br><br>For the first time, I believe they shall find that their customer's have more power, and Google understands this, which is why they will continue to tell them to stick their shakedown where the sun don't shine.<br><br>It won't look good to the Board of Directors when customers flee to the competition in droves the minute their contracts are up.</tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>I bet I know who wins this battle.The question here is who is more powerful--the phone company or its customers.   To date , the phone company has become accustomed to overwhelming advantages , born of its original monopoly status.For the first time , I believe they shall find that their customer 's have more power , and Google understands this , which is why they will continue to tell them to stick their shakedown where the sun do n't shine.It wo n't look good to the Board of Directors when customers flee to the competition in droves the minute their contracts are up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bet I know who wins this battle.The question here is who is more powerful--the phone company or its customers.  To date, the phone company has become accustomed to overwhelming advantages, born of its original monopoly status.For the first time, I believe they shall find that their customer's have more power, and Google understands this, which is why they will continue to tell them to stick their shakedown where the sun don't shine.It won't look good to the Board of Directors when customers flee to the competition in droves the minute their contracts are up.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30294950</id>
	<title>Is that legal?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259575020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can only assume that to block access to paid apps requires blocking part of the internet, which would put them in violation of trade description act.  It might also impute denial of them being a common carrier, with loss of the protections that that confers.<br>-- newall</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can only assume that to block access to paid apps requires blocking part of the internet , which would put them in violation of trade description act .
It might also impute denial of them being a common carrier , with loss of the protections that that confers.-- newall</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can only assume that to block access to paid apps requires blocking part of the internet, which would put them in violation of trade description act.
It might also impute denial of them being a common carrier, with loss of the protections that that confers.-- newall</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30294606</id>
	<title>Proxy?</title>
	<author>MichaelSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1259613180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't find the answer easily in the articles but I wonder if it would be possible to mirror or proxy the app store. Presumably it uses an http url. Is there an http proxy setting in android?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't find the answer easily in the articles but I wonder if it would be possible to mirror or proxy the app store .
Presumably it uses an http url .
Is there an http proxy setting in android ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't find the answer easily in the articles but I wonder if it would be possible to mirror or proxy the app store.
Presumably it uses an http url.
Is there an http proxy setting in android?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30294718</id>
	<title>Screw Optus, go Vodafone</title>
	<author>jaxtherat</author>
	<datestamp>1259614440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously. I've ditched Optus around about 1998, and haven't looked back. Vodafone care a heck of a lot more about their customers; for example, they're just about the only telco I know of that allows tethering on the iPhone. Very handy!</p><p>My point is, does anyone expect anything else from the likes of Floptus and Telescum?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously .
I 've ditched Optus around about 1998 , and have n't looked back .
Vodafone care a heck of a lot more about their customers ; for example , they 're just about the only telco I know of that allows tethering on the iPhone .
Very handy ! My point is , does anyone expect anything else from the likes of Floptus and Telescum ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously.
I've ditched Optus around about 1998, and haven't looked back.
Vodafone care a heck of a lot more about their customers; for example, they're just about the only telco I know of that allows tethering on the iPhone.
Very handy!My point is, does anyone expect anything else from the likes of Floptus and Telescum?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30295254</id>
	<title>mod dowN</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259579040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>THINGS IN on my Pentium Pro ELSE TO BE AN However I don't you to join the to look into our ability to notorious OpenBSD</htmltext>
<tokenext>THINGS IN on my Pentium Pro ELSE TO BE AN However I do n't you to join the to look into our ability to notorious OpenBSD</tokentext>
<sentencetext>THINGS IN on my Pentium Pro ELSE TO BE AN However I don't you to join the to look into our ability to notorious OpenBSD</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30306116</id>
	<title>Re:Wifi?</title>
	<author>Max Littlemore</author>
	<datestamp>1259589780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Nope. Until my Dream stopped doing wifi due to some unknown bug, I was downloading apps over wifi exclusively. I would use APNDroid to completely disable 3G and it would download apps. You might want to complain to Virgin about that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nope .
Until my Dream stopped doing wifi due to some unknown bug , I was downloading apps over wifi exclusively .
I would use APNDroid to completely disable 3G and it would download apps .
You might want to complain to Virgin about that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nope.
Until my Dream stopped doing wifi due to some unknown bug, I was downloading apps over wifi exclusively.
I would use APNDroid to completely disable 3G and it would download apps.
You might want to complain to Virgin about that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30295004</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30304436</id>
	<title>Re:It comes down to simple numbers</title>
	<author>Max Littlemore</author>
	<datestamp>1259581860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I own my Dream/G1 outright and I asked myself this:<br>
Why can't I access paid apps if I own the phone outright and therefore cost them nothing in hardware?<br>
Why should I stay with a provider that sends me a $650 bill (!!!!!) because their network is so unreliable that it takes me 20+ attempts to download the same 45MB update?<br>
Why should I stay on the network that has the worst coverage and is oversubscribed?</p><p>I changed to 3 and that has worked out great. For the same as the 69$ cap on Optus, I get the same calls and texts (roughly, works out the same for me) plus 1GB of data per month.</p><p>If anyone on Optus in Australia has had recent problems with excessive data charges when you believe you have been conservative, call the ombudsman. It worked for me - my $650 bill became $22.</p><p>On three, using the data all the time instead of switching it off 90\% of the time means I hardly go to about 10\% of my limit and I'm thinking of changing the plan down a bit. Not saying Optus will always suck here, just that they suck at the moment. Even the 50c/MB roaming on three has worked out cheaper overall. I am consistently under my cap because I am mostly in a three coverage area and when I am not, I switch to Telstra.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I own my Dream/G1 outright and I asked myself this : Why ca n't I access paid apps if I own the phone outright and therefore cost them nothing in hardware ?
Why should I stay with a provider that sends me a $ 650 bill ( ! ! ! ! !
) because their network is so unreliable that it takes me 20 + attempts to download the same 45MB update ?
Why should I stay on the network that has the worst coverage and is oversubscribed ? I changed to 3 and that has worked out great .
For the same as the 69 $ cap on Optus , I get the same calls and texts ( roughly , works out the same for me ) plus 1GB of data per month.If anyone on Optus in Australia has had recent problems with excessive data charges when you believe you have been conservative , call the ombudsman .
It worked for me - my $ 650 bill became $ 22.On three , using the data all the time instead of switching it off 90 \ % of the time means I hardly go to about 10 \ % of my limit and I 'm thinking of changing the plan down a bit .
Not saying Optus will always suck here , just that they suck at the moment .
Even the 50c/MB roaming on three has worked out cheaper overall .
I am consistently under my cap because I am mostly in a three coverage area and when I am not , I switch to Telstra .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I own my Dream/G1 outright and I asked myself this:
Why can't I access paid apps if I own the phone outright and therefore cost them nothing in hardware?
Why should I stay with a provider that sends me a $650 bill (!!!!!
) because their network is so unreliable that it takes me 20+ attempts to download the same 45MB update?
Why should I stay on the network that has the worst coverage and is oversubscribed?I changed to 3 and that has worked out great.
For the same as the 69$ cap on Optus, I get the same calls and texts (roughly, works out the same for me) plus 1GB of data per month.If anyone on Optus in Australia has had recent problems with excessive data charges when you believe you have been conservative, call the ombudsman.
It worked for me - my $650 bill became $22.On three, using the data all the time instead of switching it off 90\% of the time means I hardly go to about 10\% of my limit and I'm thinking of changing the plan down a bit.
Not saying Optus will always suck here, just that they suck at the moment.
Even the 50c/MB roaming on three has worked out cheaper overall.
I am consistently under my cap because I am mostly in a three coverage area and when I am not, I switch to Telstra.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30294632</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30297638</id>
	<title>Screw them...</title>
	<author>dsouza42</author>
	<datestamp>1259598360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just install <a href="http://code.google.com/p/market-enabler/" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">market-enabler</a> [google.com] and you can use any paid apps you want</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just install market-enabler [ google.com ] and you can use any paid apps you want</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just install market-enabler [google.com] and you can use any paid apps you want</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30294848</id>
	<title>Re:Screw Optus, go Vodafone</title>
	<author>jnnnnn</author>
	<datestamp>1259573220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed. Their internet sucks too - we switched to ADSL with iinet recently (no Internode available here) and haven't looked back. Optus' upload speed is about 22kbyte/s even with 1Mbyte/s download speeds.</p><p>Optus is a good example of how not to treat your customers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed .
Their internet sucks too - we switched to ADSL with iinet recently ( no Internode available here ) and have n't looked back .
Optus ' upload speed is about 22kbyte/s even with 1Mbyte/s download speeds.Optus is a good example of how not to treat your customers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.
Their internet sucks too - we switched to ADSL with iinet recently (no Internode available here) and haven't looked back.
Optus' upload speed is about 22kbyte/s even with 1Mbyte/s download speeds.Optus is a good example of how not to treat your customers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30294718</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30294720</id>
	<title>so you wanna playing that game, eh?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259614500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>google can very easily crush Optus by blocking all access from Australia to all google services and just post a "here's why!" link.</p><p>Optus is lucky google doesnt play the evil card.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>google can very easily crush Optus by blocking all access from Australia to all google services and just post a " here 's why !
" link.Optus is lucky google doesnt play the evil card .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>google can very easily crush Optus by blocking all access from Australia to all google services and just post a "here's why!
" link.Optus is lucky google doesnt play the evil card.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30294860</id>
	<title>Re:Screw Optus, go Vodafone</title>
	<author>BrokenHalo</author>
	<datestamp>1259573400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Vodafone care a heck of a lot more about their customers...</i> <br> <br>
Yeah. Pity their coverage sucks, though. And they're expensive. I'm on Vodafone currently (I had a couple of years with 3, and it was with relief that I dropped that to go back to Voda) but I'm going to have to go to Telstra to get the coverage I need when I move to Tasmania...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Vodafone care a heck of a lot more about their customers.. . Yeah. Pity their coverage sucks , though .
And they 're expensive .
I 'm on Vodafone currently ( I had a couple of years with 3 , and it was with relief that I dropped that to go back to Voda ) but I 'm going to have to go to Telstra to get the coverage I need when I move to Tasmania.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Vodafone care a heck of a lot more about their customers...  
Yeah. Pity their coverage sucks, though.
And they're expensive.
I'm on Vodafone currently (I had a couple of years with 3, and it was with relief that I dropped that to go back to Voda) but I'm going to have to go to Telstra to get the coverage I need when I move to Tasmania...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30294718</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30294838</id>
	<title>Why everyone hates Optus</title>
	<author>CuteSteveJobs</author>
	<datestamp>1259573160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It was created by a knave of a Federal Government who thought they could introduce competition into the Australian Telecommunications market (then controlled by Telstra aka Telecom) by regulating to introduce just *one* competitor: Optus. The idea was that Telstra and Optus would fight each other with lower prices and better service. Instead both just sat on their hands and a monopoly became a cozy duopoly. Even though the market was opened up, these two fat, lazy and  arrogant companies still dominate the market.</p><p>Optus has been a terrible teleco ever since inception. Its broadband packages are amongst the worst in the country. It's offerings are overpriced and plagued with poor service. They're arrogant to boot: Whenever they do screw up their PR is terrible. They're unethical too (which is to say they're criminal, but being a big company with good lawyers mean you can break the law with a slap on the wrist at worst case).</p><p>Like this one: Incredible, but Optus conspired to have phone sex calls made by aussies to International Numbers *diverted to their own phone sex partner!* That's right, when you saw Hot Monica advertizing at 2AM on Channel 10 and called, your call was diverted from the advertizer and ended up fattening Optus's profits.  Sounds as illegal as hell. Yes: This is Australia's #2 Teleco:</p><p>"In an earlier case, Justice Robert McDougall was much harsher with Bragg, saying he had no regard for the truth, except for when it suited him. In this case Optus was forced to pay millions to Gilsan after it was found to have skimmed money from Gilsan by under-reporting the number of minutes porn clients were on the phone so Optus could take home a larger share of the profits."</p><p><a href="http://groups.google.com/group/comp.dcom.telecom/browse\_thread/thread/37a2629cd46244a0" title="google.com">http://groups.google.com/group/comp.dcom.telecom/browse\_thread/thread/37a2629cd46244a0</a> [google.com]<br><a href="http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/articles/2009/01/05/1231003882552.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1" title="brisbanetimes.com.au">http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/articles/2009/01/05/1231003882552.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1</a> [brisbanetimes.com.au]<br><a href="http://www.the-scream.co.uk/forums/t28492.html" title="the-scream.co.uk">http://www.the-scream.co.uk/forums/t28492.html</a> [the-scream.co.uk]</p><p>Google for "optus sucks" and equally "telsta sucks" and you will see many links.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It was created by a knave of a Federal Government who thought they could introduce competition into the Australian Telecommunications market ( then controlled by Telstra aka Telecom ) by regulating to introduce just * one * competitor : Optus .
The idea was that Telstra and Optus would fight each other with lower prices and better service .
Instead both just sat on their hands and a monopoly became a cozy duopoly .
Even though the market was opened up , these two fat , lazy and arrogant companies still dominate the market.Optus has been a terrible teleco ever since inception .
Its broadband packages are amongst the worst in the country .
It 's offerings are overpriced and plagued with poor service .
They 're arrogant to boot : Whenever they do screw up their PR is terrible .
They 're unethical too ( which is to say they 're criminal , but being a big company with good lawyers mean you can break the law with a slap on the wrist at worst case ) .Like this one : Incredible , but Optus conspired to have phone sex calls made by aussies to International Numbers * diverted to their own phone sex partner !
* That 's right , when you saw Hot Monica advertizing at 2AM on Channel 10 and called , your call was diverted from the advertizer and ended up fattening Optus 's profits .
Sounds as illegal as hell .
Yes : This is Australia 's # 2 Teleco : " In an earlier case , Justice Robert McDougall was much harsher with Bragg , saying he had no regard for the truth , except for when it suited him .
In this case Optus was forced to pay millions to Gilsan after it was found to have skimmed money from Gilsan by under-reporting the number of minutes porn clients were on the phone so Optus could take home a larger share of the profits .
" http : //groups.google.com/group/comp.dcom.telecom/browse \ _thread/thread/37a2629cd46244a0 [ google.com ] http : //www.brisbanetimes.com.au/articles/2009/01/05/1231003882552.html ? page = fullpage # contentSwap1 [ brisbanetimes.com.au ] http : //www.the-scream.co.uk/forums/t28492.html [ the-scream.co.uk ] Google for " optus sucks " and equally " telsta sucks " and you will see many links .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It was created by a knave of a Federal Government who thought they could introduce competition into the Australian Telecommunications market (then controlled by Telstra aka Telecom) by regulating to introduce just *one* competitor: Optus.
The idea was that Telstra and Optus would fight each other with lower prices and better service.
Instead both just sat on their hands and a monopoly became a cozy duopoly.
Even though the market was opened up, these two fat, lazy and  arrogant companies still dominate the market.Optus has been a terrible teleco ever since inception.
Its broadband packages are amongst the worst in the country.
It's offerings are overpriced and plagued with poor service.
They're arrogant to boot: Whenever they do screw up their PR is terrible.
They're unethical too (which is to say they're criminal, but being a big company with good lawyers mean you can break the law with a slap on the wrist at worst case).Like this one: Incredible, but Optus conspired to have phone sex calls made by aussies to International Numbers *diverted to their own phone sex partner!
* That's right, when you saw Hot Monica advertizing at 2AM on Channel 10 and called, your call was diverted from the advertizer and ended up fattening Optus's profits.
Sounds as illegal as hell.
Yes: This is Australia's #2 Teleco:"In an earlier case, Justice Robert McDougall was much harsher with Bragg, saying he had no regard for the truth, except for when it suited him.
In this case Optus was forced to pay millions to Gilsan after it was found to have skimmed money from Gilsan by under-reporting the number of minutes porn clients were on the phone so Optus could take home a larger share of the profits.
"http://groups.google.com/group/comp.dcom.telecom/browse\_thread/thread/37a2629cd46244a0 [google.com]http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/articles/2009/01/05/1231003882552.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1 [brisbanetimes.com.au]http://www.the-scream.co.uk/forums/t28492.html [the-scream.co.uk]Google for "optus sucks" and equally "telsta sucks" and you will see many links.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30294782</id>
	<title>good to know</title>
	<author>kregg</author>
	<datestamp>1259572320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I won't be getting my Android phone from Optus then</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wo n't be getting my Android phone from Optus then</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I won't be getting my Android phone from Optus then</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30297686</id>
	<title>Extortion?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259598480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm left in awe how this isn't considered extortion. Lets move the issue over to something else, like say plain old phones. What would happen if $TELCO would approach any business that directly relies on its phone lines to make any revenue, and say "You will give us a cut on your profits, or we will cut your lines"?</p><p>Sounds more like the mob than a legitimate business to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm left in awe how this is n't considered extortion .
Lets move the issue over to something else , like say plain old phones .
What would happen if $ TELCO would approach any business that directly relies on its phone lines to make any revenue , and say " You will give us a cut on your profits , or we will cut your lines " ? Sounds more like the mob than a legitimate business to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm left in awe how this isn't considered extortion.
Lets move the issue over to something else, like say plain old phones.
What would happen if $TELCO would approach any business that directly relies on its phone lines to make any revenue, and say "You will give us a cut on your profits, or we will cut your lines"?Sounds more like the mob than a legitimate business to me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30295846</id>
	<title>How??</title>
	<author>khchung</author>
	<datestamp>1259586000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Isn't the whole point of Android is that it is "Open"?</p><p>How could your mobile operator prevent you from accessing any sites?  They may block the site through their 3G network, but what prevents you from using Wifi, proxy, or thousands other way to work around it?</p><p>Why aren't there simple programs available for Optus customers to auto bypass it?</p><p>Are you saying it is easier to jail-break a closed iPhone than it is to work around simple blocks on the open Android?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't the whole point of Android is that it is " Open " ? How could your mobile operator prevent you from accessing any sites ?
They may block the site through their 3G network , but what prevents you from using Wifi , proxy , or thousands other way to work around it ? Why are n't there simple programs available for Optus customers to auto bypass it ? Are you saying it is easier to jail-break a closed iPhone than it is to work around simple blocks on the open Android ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't the whole point of Android is that it is "Open"?How could your mobile operator prevent you from accessing any sites?
They may block the site through their 3G network, but what prevents you from using Wifi, proxy, or thousands other way to work around it?Why aren't there simple programs available for Optus customers to auto bypass it?Are you saying it is easier to jail-break a closed iPhone than it is to work around simple blocks on the open Android?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30294762</id>
	<title>wow</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259572080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who would have known?  You can be more evil than US cell phone carriers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who would have known ?
You can be more evil than US cell phone carriers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who would have known?
You can be more evil than US cell phone carriers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30294594</id>
	<title>Seriously, WTF?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259613060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Though I wouldn't expect any less from Aussie telcos. Why do we get shafted? Because the general populous are fucking morons devoid of any inclination to learn about and do something about these issues.</p><p>Someone wake me up when the average Australian cares more about science and technology, please? (should be around 2150)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Though I would n't expect any less from Aussie telcos .
Why do we get shafted ?
Because the general populous are fucking morons devoid of any inclination to learn about and do something about these issues.Someone wake me up when the average Australian cares more about science and technology , please ?
( should be around 2150 )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Though I wouldn't expect any less from Aussie telcos.
Why do we get shafted?
Because the general populous are fucking morons devoid of any inclination to learn about and do something about these issues.Someone wake me up when the average Australian cares more about science and technology, please?
(should be around 2150)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30295298</id>
	<title>Re:Screw Optus, go Vodafone</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259579520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I want to buy a iphone 3G</p><p>Please help me !!! I want to buy it before my Marriage with my <a href="http://www.venuemirror.com/" title="venuemirror.com" rel="nofollow">iPhone girlfriend</a> [venuemirror.com]</p><p>Diana</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I want to buy a iphone 3GPlease help me ! ! !
I want to buy it before my Marriage with my iPhone girlfriend [ venuemirror.com ] Diana</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I want to buy a iphone 3GPlease help me !!!
I want to buy it before my Marriage with my iPhone girlfriend [venuemirror.com]Diana</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30294718</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_2140234.30305944</id>
	<title>why would they do this?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259588640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's probably something to do with the fact that they're running their own App Store.
<br> <br>
See <a href="http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/326534/optus\_launches\_mobile\_application\_store/" title="idg.com.au" rel="nofollow">http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/326534/optus\_launches\_mobile\_application\_store/</a> [idg.com.au]</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's probably something to do with the fact that they 're running their own App Store .
See http : //www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/326534/optus \ _launches \ _mobile \ _application \ _store/ [ idg.com.au ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's probably something to do with the fact that they're running their own App Store.
See http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/326534/optus\_launches\_mobile\_application\_store/ [idg.com.au]</sentencetext>
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