<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_01_1419238</id>
	<title>The Cloud Ate My Homework</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1259678760000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>theodp writes <i>"Over at CNET, James Urquhart <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-19413\_3-10405895-240.html">sings the praises of cloud computing</a>, encouraging folks to 'really listen to what is being said, understand how the cloud is being used, and seriously evaluate how this disruptive model will change your projects, your organization, and even your career.' Fair enough. Over at the Google Docs Help Forum, some perplexed cloud computing users spent the month of November unsuccessfully trying to figure out why they've been <a href="http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google+Docs/thread?tid=35b7c6eb9943e9ed&amp;hl=en">zinged for inappropriate content</a>. Among the items deemed inappropriate and unshareable include notes on Henry David Thoreau ('the published version of this item cannot be shared until a Google review finds that the content is appropriate'), homework assignments, <a href="http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google+Docs/thread?tid=34dc482fc0ee1a8d&amp;hl=en">high school yearbook plans</a>, wishlists, documents containing botanical names for plants, a list of websites for an ecommerce class, and a <a href="http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google+Docs/thread?tid=1f154036fcec4073&amp;hl=en">list of companies that rent motorcycles in Canada</a>. When it comes to support in the cloud, it kind of <a href="http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google+Docs/thread?tid=0cc11c240c1332c9&amp;hl=en">looks like you might get what you pay for</a>."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>theodp writes " Over at CNET , James Urquhart sings the praises of cloud computing , encouraging folks to 'really listen to what is being said , understand how the cloud is being used , and seriously evaluate how this disruptive model will change your projects , your organization , and even your career .
' Fair enough .
Over at the Google Docs Help Forum , some perplexed cloud computing users spent the month of November unsuccessfully trying to figure out why they 've been zinged for inappropriate content .
Among the items deemed inappropriate and unshareable include notes on Henry David Thoreau ( 'the published version of this item can not be shared until a Google review finds that the content is appropriate ' ) , homework assignments , high school yearbook plans , wishlists , documents containing botanical names for plants , a list of websites for an ecommerce class , and a list of companies that rent motorcycles in Canada .
When it comes to support in the cloud , it kind of looks like you might get what you pay for .
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<sentencetext>theodp writes "Over at CNET, James Urquhart sings the praises of cloud computing, encouraging folks to 'really listen to what is being said, understand how the cloud is being used, and seriously evaluate how this disruptive model will change your projects, your organization, and even your career.
' Fair enough.
Over at the Google Docs Help Forum, some perplexed cloud computing users spent the month of November unsuccessfully trying to figure out why they've been zinged for inappropriate content.
Among the items deemed inappropriate and unshareable include notes on Henry David Thoreau ('the published version of this item cannot be shared until a Google review finds that the content is appropriate'), homework assignments, high school yearbook plans, wishlists, documents containing botanical names for plants, a list of websites for an ecommerce class, and a list of companies that rent motorcycles in Canada.
When it comes to support in the cloud, it kind of looks like you might get what you pay for.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30284298</id>
	<title>Cloud computing killed my father,</title>
	<author>FatSean</author>
	<datestamp>1259687760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and raped my mother!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and raped my mother !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and raped my mother!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30283828</id>
	<title>Yet anothjer dirty minded filter</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259685720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It sounds like Google is using the "Beavis and Butt-head" filter. Heh Heh, he said ASSpirin</p><p>I'm not so sure I want to trust anything important to that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It sounds like Google is using the " Beavis and Butt-head " filter .
Heh Heh , he said ASSpirinI 'm not so sure I want to trust anything important to that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It sounds like Google is using the "Beavis and Butt-head" filter.
Heh Heh, he said ASSpirinI'm not so sure I want to trust anything important to that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30283602</id>
	<title>Re:Review!?</title>
	<author>Jesus\_666</author>
	<datestamp>1259684820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This calls for extensive testing.<br>
<br>
First, we create an account and fill it with harmless content containing "inappropriate" words. For example, a text about farm animals that uses the word "cock" a lot. If the documents are flagged, we can assume that Google uses pattern matching to find "bad" words.<br>
Another thing to try is to submit an article condemning hate speech that includes examples of the speech it condemns. Should set off a pattern matching filter.<br>
<br>
Second, we create an account and fill it with content inappropriate for human consumption. Weird erotica involving Steve Ballmer, Bob Ross, an elephant and a box of fireworks. Something like that. The important thing is that the whole text does not use any word or phrase that might conceivably set off an automated filter. We use lots of metaphors that are transparent to a human being and opaque to a computer. If the documents are flagged, we can assume that some poor soul at Google actually read them.<br>
<br>
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Science is fun!</htmltext>
<tokenext>This calls for extensive testing .
First , we create an account and fill it with harmless content containing " inappropriate " words .
For example , a text about farm animals that uses the word " cock " a lot .
If the documents are flagged , we can assume that Google uses pattern matching to find " bad " words .
Another thing to try is to submit an article condemning hate speech that includes examples of the speech it condemns .
Should set off a pattern matching filter .
Second , we create an account and fill it with content inappropriate for human consumption .
Weird erotica involving Steve Ballmer , Bob Ross , an elephant and a box of fireworks .
Something like that .
The important thing is that the whole text does not use any word or phrase that might conceivably set off an automated filter .
We use lots of metaphors that are transparent to a human being and opaque to a computer .
If the documents are flagged , we can assume that some poor soul at Google actually read them .
Science is fun !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This calls for extensive testing.
First, we create an account and fill it with harmless content containing "inappropriate" words.
For example, a text about farm animals that uses the word "cock" a lot.
If the documents are flagged, we can assume that Google uses pattern matching to find "bad" words.
Another thing to try is to submit an article condemning hate speech that includes examples of the speech it condemns.
Should set off a pattern matching filter.
Second, we create an account and fill it with content inappropriate for human consumption.
Weird erotica involving Steve Ballmer, Bob Ross, an elephant and a box of fireworks.
Something like that.
The important thing is that the whole text does not use any word or phrase that might conceivably set off an automated filter.
We use lots of metaphors that are transparent to a human being and opaque to a computer.
If the documents are flagged, we can assume that some poor soul at Google actually read them.
Science is fun!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30283416</id>
	<title>Fuck the cloud.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259683680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The cloud can kiss my shiny white ass. My data is mine, I own it, I control it, and they can pry it from my cold, dead fingers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The cloud can kiss my shiny white ass .
My data is mine , I own it , I control it , and they can pry it from my cold , dead fingers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The cloud can kiss my shiny white ass.
My data is mine, I own it, I control it, and they can pry it from my cold, dead fingers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30284492</id>
	<title>Re:Rule #1</title>
	<author>D Ninja</author>
	<datestamp>1259688600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why is Google even able to review the content? Content should be encrypted.</p></div><p>Although I DNRTFA, I read an instance in the past where the individual had made their document completely public.  Would that be the case for these documents as well?</p><p>And, while I do agree with your statement, you also give up some things by not allowing Google to see your data...including searching.  And, of course, the fact that the data is on Google's servers in the first place shouldn't make it a surprise that they can see what you upload to them.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is Google even able to review the content ?
Content should be encrypted.Although I DNRTFA , I read an instance in the past where the individual had made their document completely public .
Would that be the case for these documents as well ? And , while I do agree with your statement , you also give up some things by not allowing Google to see your data...including searching .
And , of course , the fact that the data is on Google 's servers in the first place should n't make it a surprise that they can see what you upload to them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is Google even able to review the content?
Content should be encrypted.Although I DNRTFA, I read an instance in the past where the individual had made their document completely public.
Would that be the case for these documents as well?And, while I do agree with your statement, you also give up some things by not allowing Google to see your data...including searching.
And, of course, the fact that the data is on Google's servers in the first place shouldn't make it a surprise that they can see what you upload to them.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30289176</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah</title>
	<author>sur3857</author>
	<datestamp>1259663460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can now bulk download your docs up to 500 MB from GDocs. Just select all of them and choose export.</p><p>There also are projects that can help automate this process, like gdatacopier.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can now bulk download your docs up to 500 MB from GDocs .
Just select all of them and choose export.There also are projects that can help automate this process , like gdatacopier .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can now bulk download your docs up to 500 MB from GDocs.
Just select all of them and choose export.There also are projects that can help automate this process, like gdatacopier.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30288536</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah</title>
	<author>justleavealonemmmkay</author>
	<datestamp>1259660640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So you are telling us that you felt qualified to give IT advice to a PhD student, yet fail to understand basic design principles as "no single points of failure" ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So you are telling us that you felt qualified to give IT advice to a PhD student , yet fail to understand basic design principles as " no single points of failure " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So you are telling us that you felt qualified to give IT advice to a PhD student, yet fail to understand basic design principles as "no single points of failure" ?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30289290</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259663940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm slightly surprised that you still have a girlfriend.  If I lost a week's worth of PhD work, I know that I'd be in a dumping mood...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm slightly surprised that you still have a girlfriend .
If I lost a week 's worth of PhD work , I know that I 'd be in a dumping mood.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm slightly surprised that you still have a girlfriend.
If I lost a week's worth of PhD work, I know that I'd be in a dumping mood...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30283308</id>
	<title>Re:That cloud word again</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259683320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How is TripMaster Monkey's comment "insightful"? What he wrote is just common sense for even the stupidest of admins and web developers.</p><p>The only people who are buying into "cloud computing" are cheap buzzword-loving managers, and a few bloggers who just need something to write about.</p><p>Nobody with even the slightest technical knowledge thinks that cloud computing is a good idea. The technical flaws are blatantly obvious. It's clearly not a usable technology, and never will be.</p><p>People are getting burned by it badly, even if they don't realize it. Take Reddit, for instance. They recently transitioned their hosting to "The Cloud" and now their site's response time is complete shit for many users. Some are even reporting that Digg is faster, and Digg has a notoriously slow site.</p><p>"Cloud Computing" will become the Microsoft Bob of the first decade of this century.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How is TripMaster Monkey 's comment " insightful " ?
What he wrote is just common sense for even the stupidest of admins and web developers.The only people who are buying into " cloud computing " are cheap buzzword-loving managers , and a few bloggers who just need something to write about.Nobody with even the slightest technical knowledge thinks that cloud computing is a good idea .
The technical flaws are blatantly obvious .
It 's clearly not a usable technology , and never will be.People are getting burned by it badly , even if they do n't realize it .
Take Reddit , for instance .
They recently transitioned their hosting to " The Cloud " and now their site 's response time is complete shit for many users .
Some are even reporting that Digg is faster , and Digg has a notoriously slow site .
" Cloud Computing " will become the Microsoft Bob of the first decade of this century .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is TripMaster Monkey's comment "insightful"?
What he wrote is just common sense for even the stupidest of admins and web developers.The only people who are buying into "cloud computing" are cheap buzzword-loving managers, and a few bloggers who just need something to write about.Nobody with even the slightest technical knowledge thinks that cloud computing is a good idea.
The technical flaws are blatantly obvious.
It's clearly not a usable technology, and never will be.People are getting burned by it badly, even if they don't realize it.
Take Reddit, for instance.
They recently transitioned their hosting to "The Cloud" and now their site's response time is complete shit for many users.
Some are even reporting that Digg is faster, and Digg has a notoriously slow site.
"Cloud Computing" will become the Microsoft Bob of the first decade of this century.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30285356</id>
	<title>Re:Review!?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259692380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, speaking strictly from an American perspective, Constitutionally, has any serious legal analysis been done to understand how exactly exactly 4th Amendment guarantees* apply to the "cloud"? My layman's understanding is that it probably does not apply. Nor therefore would any common law or compliant statute, since the only foundational guarantee is in the right to be secure in "persons, houses, papers, and effects." The "cloud" is, in effect, a commons. What's in the commons belongs to the commons. A good rule of thumb I would think applies would be that you wish to expect security, keep it to yourself and out of the cloud.<br>-----<br>* Reference: http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill\_of\_rights\_transcript.html; quote: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So , speaking strictly from an American perspective , Constitutionally , has any serious legal analysis been done to understand how exactly exactly 4th Amendment guarantees * apply to the " cloud " ?
My layman 's understanding is that it probably does not apply .
Nor therefore would any common law or compliant statute , since the only foundational guarantee is in the right to be secure in " persons , houses , papers , and effects .
" The " cloud " is , in effect , a commons .
What 's in the commons belongs to the commons .
A good rule of thumb I would think applies would be that you wish to expect security , keep it to yourself and out of the cloud.----- * Reference : http : //www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill \ _of \ _rights \ _transcript.html ; quote : " The right of the people to be secure in their persons , houses , papers , and effects , against unreasonable searches and seizures , shall not be violated , and no Warrants shall issue , but upon probable cause , supported by Oath or affirmation , and particularly describing the place to be searched , and the persons or things to be seized .
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<sentencetext>So, speaking strictly from an American perspective, Constitutionally, has any serious legal analysis been done to understand how exactly exactly 4th Amendment guarantees* apply to the "cloud"?
My layman's understanding is that it probably does not apply.
Nor therefore would any common law or compliant statute, since the only foundational guarantee is in the right to be secure in "persons, houses, papers, and effects.
" The "cloud" is, in effect, a commons.
What's in the commons belongs to the commons.
A good rule of thumb I would think applies would be that you wish to expect security, keep it to yourself and out of the cloud.-----* Reference: http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill\_of\_rights\_transcript.html; quote: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30284750</id>
	<title>Re:"disruptive"</title>
	<author>\_Sprocket\_</author>
	<datestamp>1259689680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Anyone who thinks that "disruptive" is a positive attribute is someone who is divorced from real-world concerns.</p></div><p>A lot of people fear change - you're not alone.  But don't worry.  Others can embrace progress and drag you along in to the future, albeit grudgingly, so that you too may enjoy the benefits of advancing technology.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone who thinks that " disruptive " is a positive attribute is someone who is divorced from real-world concerns.A lot of people fear change - you 're not alone .
But do n't worry .
Others can embrace progress and drag you along in to the future , albeit grudgingly , so that you too may enjoy the benefits of advancing technology .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone who thinks that "disruptive" is a positive attribute is someone who is divorced from real-world concerns.A lot of people fear change - you're not alone.
But don't worry.
Others can embrace progress and drag you along in to the future, albeit grudgingly, so that you too may enjoy the benefits of advancing technology.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30290016</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259666820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>(Jaw drops.) Why would you recommend that? Why not redundant backups for something so important?</p><p>Friend of mine did her thesis a few years ago. She made periodic saves to a CDRW while working. She kept daily copies at the lab, at home, and one uploaded out of town in case of earthquake. And she left a CDR of the work with me as a final Just In Case. All without my prompting, and without her being an expert. Just being a grad student who wasn't born yesterday.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>( Jaw drops .
) Why would you recommend that ?
Why not redundant backups for something so important ? Friend of mine did her thesis a few years ago .
She made periodic saves to a CDRW while working .
She kept daily copies at the lab , at home , and one uploaded out of town in case of earthquake .
And she left a CDR of the work with me as a final Just In Case .
All without my prompting , and without her being an expert .
Just being a grad student who was n't born yesterday .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(Jaw drops.
) Why would you recommend that?
Why not redundant backups for something so important?Friend of mine did her thesis a few years ago.
She made periodic saves to a CDRW while working.
She kept daily copies at the lab, at home, and one uploaded out of town in case of earthquake.
And she left a CDR of the work with me as a final Just In Case.
All without my prompting, and without her being an expert.
Just being a grad student who wasn't born yesterday.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30284818</id>
	<title>Re: differ:I don't get what I paid for with Google</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259689980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Google's support for paid services is non-existent also, at least in my experience. I have sent google queries re both my google ad words account and my google voice account, and have never ever heard a whisper from them. I have used google voice for international calls, which you do have to pay for.</p><p>It seems that google is not a real company like ATT with quaint notions about customer support. I can call ATT or Comcast or any grown up company and get a real person on the line in a short while; or email them. Google does not offer that kind of service.</p><p>In short, google has some nice paid and free offerings, but they do not hold themselves to any standards re customer support. The small experiences I've had with them with paid services does not lead me to want to get more involved with them as a vendor. They're kids.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Google 's support for paid services is non-existent also , at least in my experience .
I have sent google queries re both my google ad words account and my google voice account , and have never ever heard a whisper from them .
I have used google voice for international calls , which you do have to pay for.It seems that google is not a real company like ATT with quaint notions about customer support .
I can call ATT or Comcast or any grown up company and get a real person on the line in a short while ; or email them .
Google does not offer that kind of service.In short , google has some nice paid and free offerings , but they do not hold themselves to any standards re customer support .
The small experiences I 've had with them with paid services does not lead me to want to get more involved with them as a vendor .
They 're kids .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google's support for paid services is non-existent also, at least in my experience.
I have sent google queries re both my google ad words account and my google voice account, and have never ever heard a whisper from them.
I have used google voice for international calls, which you do have to pay for.It seems that google is not a real company like ATT with quaint notions about customer support.
I can call ATT or Comcast or any grown up company and get a real person on the line in a short while; or email them.
Google does not offer that kind of service.In short, google has some nice paid and free offerings, but they do not hold themselves to any standards re customer support.
The small experiences I've had with them with paid services does not lead me to want to get more involved with them as a vendor.
They're kids.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30283314</id>
	<title>clouds can be private</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259683320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You can setup your own cloud and have all the advantages of a local PC with the flexibility of a cloud device.  More importantly, a school or a corporation might consider this a welcome feature.  The ability to flag content and control their data may be a valuable selling point.

I understand your reluctance to move everything into the "cloud".  My parents have boxes of old photographs, LP's (that's kind of like a physical copy of an uncompressed MP3), and bank statements.  Heck they still write stuff on paper and put it in that box on the front lawn with a little red flag.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can setup your own cloud and have all the advantages of a local PC with the flexibility of a cloud device .
More importantly , a school or a corporation might consider this a welcome feature .
The ability to flag content and control their data may be a valuable selling point .
I understand your reluctance to move everything into the " cloud " .
My parents have boxes of old photographs , LP 's ( that 's kind of like a physical copy of an uncompressed MP3 ) , and bank statements .
Heck they still write stuff on paper and put it in that box on the front lawn with a little red flag .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can setup your own cloud and have all the advantages of a local PC with the flexibility of a cloud device.
More importantly, a school or a corporation might consider this a welcome feature.
The ability to flag content and control their data may be a valuable selling point.
I understand your reluctance to move everything into the "cloud".
My parents have boxes of old photographs, LP's (that's kind of like a physical copy of an uncompressed MP3), and bank statements.
Heck they still write stuff on paper and put it in that box on the front lawn with a little red flag.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30283054</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30283652</id>
	<title>Re:"disruptive"</title>
	<author>TheGratefulNet</author>
	<datestamp>1259685000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the word 'disruptive' IS a current business word.</p><p>as a techie, I cringe when I hear this.  however, I used to work for a company who LOVED to use this word in a phrase ('disruptive computing').  I told them time and time again that it *sounds* bad to us techies but the business guys have a world of their own; and to them, this word *sounds* good to them!</p><p>boggle!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the word 'disruptive ' IS a current business word.as a techie , I cringe when I hear this .
however , I used to work for a company who LOVED to use this word in a phrase ( 'disruptive computing ' ) .
I told them time and time again that it * sounds * bad to us techies but the business guys have a world of their own ; and to them , this word * sounds * good to them ! boggle !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the word 'disruptive' IS a current business word.as a techie, I cringe when I hear this.
however, I used to work for a company who LOVED to use this word in a phrase ('disruptive computing').
I told them time and time again that it *sounds* bad to us techies but the business guys have a world of their own; and to them, this word *sounds* good to them!boggle!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30283480</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30284112</id>
	<title>Re:Review!?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259686980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>But, "review" suggests somebody at Google *will* look at that content. Imagine that -- some drone at Google will be looking at your private work you want to share only with select people,...</p></div><p>How else are they going to insert ads into your documents?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But , " review " suggests somebody at Google * will * look at that content .
Imagine that -- some drone at Google will be looking at your private work you want to share only with select people,...How else are they going to insert ads into your documents ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But, "review" suggests somebody at Google *will* look at that content.
Imagine that -- some drone at Google will be looking at your private work you want to share only with select people,...How else are they going to insert ads into your documents?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30283312</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30283312</id>
	<title>Review!?</title>
	<author>vadim\_t</author>
	<datestamp>1259683320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ok, I understand that unencrypted content is never guaranteed to be safe, so don't put anything of value in there. But the general assumption people make is that there's just so much stuff in there and most of it is so uninteresting that nobody will probably bother looking at it, unless it happens to show up in debug traces by chance, or something of the sort.</p><p>But, "review" suggests somebody at Google *will* look at that content. Imagine that -- some drone at Google will be looking at your private work you want to share only with select people, or company data, and decide (when they get around it) that you can share it after all.</p><p>IMO just the possibility of this happening at all makes the whole thing suspect, and could bite you in the ass right in the worst moment. "Sorry boss, I can't share that report because Google thinks there's porn in it. We'll have to wait until somebody at Google looks at it". I'm sure that would make for an interesting day.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok , I understand that unencrypted content is never guaranteed to be safe , so do n't put anything of value in there .
But the general assumption people make is that there 's just so much stuff in there and most of it is so uninteresting that nobody will probably bother looking at it , unless it happens to show up in debug traces by chance , or something of the sort.But , " review " suggests somebody at Google * will * look at that content .
Imagine that -- some drone at Google will be looking at your private work you want to share only with select people , or company data , and decide ( when they get around it ) that you can share it after all.IMO just the possibility of this happening at all makes the whole thing suspect , and could bite you in the ass right in the worst moment .
" Sorry boss , I ca n't share that report because Google thinks there 's porn in it .
We 'll have to wait until somebody at Google looks at it " .
I 'm sure that would make for an interesting day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok, I understand that unencrypted content is never guaranteed to be safe, so don't put anything of value in there.
But the general assumption people make is that there's just so much stuff in there and most of it is so uninteresting that nobody will probably bother looking at it, unless it happens to show up in debug traces by chance, or something of the sort.But, "review" suggests somebody at Google *will* look at that content.
Imagine that -- some drone at Google will be looking at your private work you want to share only with select people, or company data, and decide (when they get around it) that you can share it after all.IMO just the possibility of this happening at all makes the whole thing suspect, and could bite you in the ass right in the worst moment.
"Sorry boss, I can't share that report because Google thinks there's porn in it.
We'll have to wait until somebody at Google looks at it".
I'm sure that would make for an interesting day.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30283194</id>
	<title>Rule #1</title>
	<author>Carewolf</author>
	<datestamp>1259682900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Rule #1 of cloud computing: "Do not trust the cloud".</p><p>Why is Google even able to review the content? Content should be encrypted.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Rule # 1 of cloud computing : " Do not trust the cloud " .Why is Google even able to review the content ?
Content should be encrypted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rule #1 of cloud computing: "Do not trust the cloud".Why is Google even able to review the content?
Content should be encrypted.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30283528</id>
	<title>Censorship.</title>
	<author>Poodleboy</author>
	<datestamp>1259684340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Censorship" is the proper word to describe this.  The notion that I cannot express myself except in some "inoffensive" manner, for whatever values of "inoffensive" are acceptable to the owner of the cloud.  I can see the "great wall cloud of China" already.  Haven't big search companies already kowtowed to the Chinese government in order to access their markets?  Is it inconceivable that Google would agree to Chinese government review of shared documents in order to serve the Chinese "cloud computing" market?  I don't think it is.</p><p>Even here, imagine trying to write almost any kind of literary critique of Henry Miller, Ferdinand Celine or Vladimir Nabakov...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Censorship " is the proper word to describe this .
The notion that I can not express myself except in some " inoffensive " manner , for whatever values of " inoffensive " are acceptable to the owner of the cloud .
I can see the " great wall cloud of China " already .
Have n't big search companies already kowtowed to the Chinese government in order to access their markets ?
Is it inconceivable that Google would agree to Chinese government review of shared documents in order to serve the Chinese " cloud computing " market ?
I do n't think it is.Even here , imagine trying to write almost any kind of literary critique of Henry Miller , Ferdinand Celine or Vladimir Nabakov.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Censorship" is the proper word to describe this.
The notion that I cannot express myself except in some "inoffensive" manner, for whatever values of "inoffensive" are acceptable to the owner of the cloud.
I can see the "great wall cloud of China" already.
Haven't big search companies already kowtowed to the Chinese government in order to access their markets?
Is it inconceivable that Google would agree to Chinese government review of shared documents in order to serve the Chinese "cloud computing" market?
I don't think it is.Even here, imagine trying to write almost any kind of literary critique of Henry Miller, Ferdinand Celine or Vladimir Nabakov...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30283504</id>
	<title>Wow!</title>
	<author>jav1231</author>
	<datestamp>1259684160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>With props to Homer Simpson:<br>
Google: The reason for and reason for not moving to cloud computing!</htmltext>
<tokenext>With props to Homer Simpson : Google : The reason for and reason for not moving to cloud computing !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With props to Homer Simpson:
Google: The reason for and reason for not moving to cloud computing!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30283310</id>
	<title>major wtf</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259683320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>dont these idiots realize that they are handing control of their data over to a corporation? corporations that are fundamentally driven to make profit and please shareholders? then these idiots bitch when they are censored about what they write? is this really for real, i mean, am i actually reading this?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>dont these idiots realize that they are handing control of their data over to a corporation ?
corporations that are fundamentally driven to make profit and please shareholders ?
then these idiots bitch when they are censored about what they write ?
is this really for real , i mean , am i actually reading this ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>dont these idiots realize that they are handing control of their data over to a corporation?
corporations that are fundamentally driven to make profit and please shareholders?
then these idiots bitch when they are censored about what they write?
is this really for real, i mean, am i actually reading this?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30285672</id>
	<title>Re:Rule #1</title>
	<author>dangitman</author>
	<datestamp>1259693640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why is Google even able to review the content? Content should be encrypted.</p></div><p>Ummm, because the story is about <em>sharing</em> the content. If you <em>want</em> others to see your content, encryption is not the best way to go about it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is Google even able to review the content ?
Content should be encrypted.Ummm , because the story is about sharing the content .
If you want others to see your content , encryption is not the best way to go about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is Google even able to review the content?
Content should be encrypted.Ummm, because the story is about sharing the content.
If you want others to see your content, encryption is not the best way to go about it.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30283194</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30285384</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259692440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A laptop is low-tech?<br>The answer is to print hard-copies of everything and have them engraved onto stone tablets.<br>Engraved stone tablets  - that's low-tech.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A laptop is low-tech ? The answer is to print hard-copies of everything and have them engraved onto stone tablets.Engraved stone tablets - that 's low-tech .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A laptop is low-tech?The answer is to print hard-copies of everything and have them engraved onto stone tablets.Engraved stone tablets  - that's low-tech.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30283970</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30283480</id>
	<title>"disruptive"</title>
	<author>tverbeek</author>
	<datestamp>1259683980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"seriously evaluate how this disruptive model will change your projects, your organization, and even your career"</p><p>For the worse?  Anyone who thinks that "disruptive" is a positive attribute is someone who is divorced from real-world concerns.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" seriously evaluate how this disruptive model will change your projects , your organization , and even your career " For the worse ?
Anyone who thinks that " disruptive " is a positive attribute is someone who is divorced from real-world concerns .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"seriously evaluate how this disruptive model will change your projects, your organization, and even your career"For the worse?
Anyone who thinks that "disruptive" is a positive attribute is someone who is divorced from real-world concerns.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30283552</id>
	<title>Re:A tragic little story</title>
	<author>thoth</author>
	<datestamp>1259684520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Modded Insightful?<br>Doesn't anybody remember the "isn't she stoned" Apple ad this is making fun of??</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Modded Insightful ? Does n't anybody remember the " is n't she stoned " Apple ad this is making fun of ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Modded Insightful?Doesn't anybody remember the "isn't she stoned" Apple ad this is making fun of?
?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30283220</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30286282</id>
	<title>Get rid of the Copyright Maximalists and Censors</title>
	<author>DickBreath</author>
	<datestamp>1259695740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This problem would never have happened if we didn't have copyright maximalists (RIAA, MPAA, etc) and those who would censor content.
<br> <br>
Ooops.  Now, I've done it.  I'll be in legal trouble for sure.  By pointing this out, I've probably infringed someone's patent.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This problem would never have happened if we did n't have copyright maximalists ( RIAA , MPAA , etc ) and those who would censor content .
Ooops. Now , I 've done it .
I 'll be in legal trouble for sure .
By pointing this out , I 've probably infringed someone 's patent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This problem would never have happened if we didn't have copyright maximalists (RIAA, MPAA, etc) and those who would censor content.
Ooops.  Now, I've done it.
I'll be in legal trouble for sure.
By pointing this out, I've probably infringed someone's patent.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30284324</id>
	<title>Re:Worrying, but not terrible</title>
	<author>Inda</author>
	<datestamp>1259687820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And yet I found a number (licence) plate on Google maps and they removed it the following day.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And yet I found a number ( licence ) plate on Google maps and they removed it the following day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And yet I found a number (licence) plate on Google maps and they removed it the following day.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30283132</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30288020</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259658600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are lucky to have not lost your girlfriend over this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are lucky to have not lost your girlfriend over this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are lucky to have not lost your girlfriend over this.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30283970</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30283378</id>
	<title>Re:Rule #1</title>
	<author>Spazed</author>
	<datestamp>1259683560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because if they can't review it how can they give you targeted ads?

I doubt that they have people sitting there reading through your TPS reports and geek poetry. I'm betting that they have a list of words they find 'suspect' or that they are using something to look for plagiarism. Still, it would certainly make me think twice about using a service if I know the solution to this is a person verifying my content as appropriate.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because if they ca n't review it how can they give you targeted ads ?
I doubt that they have people sitting there reading through your TPS reports and geek poetry .
I 'm betting that they have a list of words they find 'suspect ' or that they are using something to look for plagiarism .
Still , it would certainly make me think twice about using a service if I know the solution to this is a person verifying my content as appropriate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because if they can't review it how can they give you targeted ads?
I doubt that they have people sitting there reading through your TPS reports and geek poetry.
I'm betting that they have a list of words they find 'suspect' or that they are using something to look for plagiarism.
Still, it would certainly make me think twice about using a service if I know the solution to this is a person verifying my content as appropriate.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30283194</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30283988</id>
	<title>Glad we got that cleared up</title>
	<author>ClosedSource</author>
	<datestamp>1259686440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"is this really for real, i mean, am i actually reading this?"</p><p>No, you're writing it, I'm reading it. Well, OK, now I'm writing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" is this really for real , i mean , am i actually reading this ?
" No , you 're writing it , I 'm reading it .
Well , OK , now I 'm writing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"is this really for real, i mean, am i actually reading this?
"No, you're writing it, I'm reading it.
Well, OK, now I'm writing.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30283310</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30291578</id>
	<title>My cousin is much smarter</title>
	<author>syousef</author>
	<datestamp>1259674500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>She's failing a university subject because the cloud PROVIDED her homework and she got caught. I'm so proud of her (NOT!)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>She 's failing a university subject because the cloud PROVIDED her homework and she got caught .
I 'm so proud of her ( NOT !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>She's failing a university subject because the cloud PROVIDED her homework and she got caught.
I'm so proud of her (NOT!
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30287920</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah</title>
	<author>Rich0</author>
	<datestamp>1259658240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yup - I tend to agree.  I use IMAP on my own server for the same reason - I can use any client I want locally or remotely but I KNOW where my email is.</p><p>I do use Amazon S3 for backups.  I use a combination of sarab and some scripts to encrypt my backups and sync them to S3.  It is pretty cheap and it is offsite.  If I owned a server in more than one geographical location then I'd skip S3 and just use rsync to do the same thing.  If S3 goes down I haven't lost anything since I have the originals.  The backups are encrypted with gpg so I could care less about security.</p><p>The only trick with something like S3 for backups is that you do need to avoid having too many full backups, as they are expensive to transfer and to store.  Careful use of differential and incremental backups will minimize storage and transfer while also making restoration reasonably simple.</p><p>If you trust others with your data in theory a backup solution that can keep sparse copies of redundant data across systems should be a lot cheaper to operate.  I didn't see any commercial services that were competitive with S3 for reasonably small data sets.  If the data is encrypted before upload then there is no redundant data and if there are 1000 copies of kernel.sys on the server they wouldn't know about it anyway.  Backuppc is an example of a backup solution that keeps sparse copies, but you need a remote server to do it if you want offsite backup.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yup - I tend to agree .
I use IMAP on my own server for the same reason - I can use any client I want locally or remotely but I KNOW where my email is.I do use Amazon S3 for backups .
I use a combination of sarab and some scripts to encrypt my backups and sync them to S3 .
It is pretty cheap and it is offsite .
If I owned a server in more than one geographical location then I 'd skip S3 and just use rsync to do the same thing .
If S3 goes down I have n't lost anything since I have the originals .
The backups are encrypted with gpg so I could care less about security.The only trick with something like S3 for backups is that you do need to avoid having too many full backups , as they are expensive to transfer and to store .
Careful use of differential and incremental backups will minimize storage and transfer while also making restoration reasonably simple.If you trust others with your data in theory a backup solution that can keep sparse copies of redundant data across systems should be a lot cheaper to operate .
I did n't see any commercial services that were competitive with S3 for reasonably small data sets .
If the data is encrypted before upload then there is no redundant data and if there are 1000 copies of kernel.sys on the server they would n't know about it anyway .
Backuppc is an example of a backup solution that keeps sparse copies , but you need a remote server to do it if you want offsite backup .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yup - I tend to agree.
I use IMAP on my own server for the same reason - I can use any client I want locally or remotely but I KNOW where my email is.I do use Amazon S3 for backups.
I use a combination of sarab and some scripts to encrypt my backups and sync them to S3.
It is pretty cheap and it is offsite.
If I owned a server in more than one geographical location then I'd skip S3 and just use rsync to do the same thing.
If S3 goes down I haven't lost anything since I have the originals.
The backups are encrypted with gpg so I could care less about security.The only trick with something like S3 for backups is that you do need to avoid having too many full backups, as they are expensive to transfer and to store.
Careful use of differential and incremental backups will minimize storage and transfer while also making restoration reasonably simple.If you trust others with your data in theory a backup solution that can keep sparse copies of redundant data across systems should be a lot cheaper to operate.
I didn't see any commercial services that were competitive with S3 for reasonably small data sets.
If the data is encrypted before upload then there is no redundant data and if there are 1000 copies of kernel.sys on the server they wouldn't know about it anyway.
Backuppc is an example of a backup solution that keeps sparse copies, but you need a remote server to do it if you want offsite backup.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30283970</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30283854</id>
	<title>My personal cloud</title>
	<author>AtomicDevice</author>
	<datestamp>1259685780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I run a really dope cloud computing system that never fails.  It's called ssh into my server and use nano.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I run a really dope cloud computing system that never fails .
It 's called ssh into my server and use nano .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I run a really dope cloud computing system that never fails.
It's called ssh into my server and use nano.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30284296</id>
	<title>Re:Worrying, but not terrible</title>
	<author>Kiralan</author>
	<datestamp>1259687760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem, as I see it, is that this 'Cloud', although free, is the public face of cloud computing for many, and thus the one that many people will base their opinions on. Who would put their neck on the line suggesting 'Clouds' to their boss, co-workers, etc. as good, when apparently items can vanish at will, whether it be by man or machine? Even though the paid version would likely have better support, possibly less 'censorship', few people will be likely to make that distinction.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem , as I see it , is that this 'Cloud ' , although free , is the public face of cloud computing for many , and thus the one that many people will base their opinions on .
Who would put their neck on the line suggesting 'Clouds ' to their boss , co-workers , etc .
as good , when apparently items can vanish at will , whether it be by man or machine ?
Even though the paid version would likely have better support , possibly less 'censorship ' , few people will be likely to make that distinction .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem, as I see it, is that this 'Cloud', although free, is the public face of cloud computing for many, and thus the one that many people will base their opinions on.
Who would put their neck on the line suggesting 'Clouds' to their boss, co-workers, etc.
as good, when apparently items can vanish at will, whether it be by man or machine?
Even though the paid version would likely have better support, possibly less 'censorship', few people will be likely to make that distinction.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30283054</id>
	<title>That cloud word again</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259682360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is exactly why I never want to move everything "in the cloud", or in to Internet services for that matter. Locally ran applications are there for a reason and things like this wouldn't happen for example with MS Office or Open Office. You're the one controlling your work, not some algorithms that suddenly decide to mark your work "inappropriate". And you don't have to wait for days for someone to answer to your support ticket with a copy-pasted "things to try" list.</p><p>Even if you're going for "cloud" services, get a reliable one that states exactly their backup plans and other things. And for gods sake, put out a few dollars for it if you're excepting any level of support or reliability.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is exactly why I never want to move everything " in the cloud " , or in to Internet services for that matter .
Locally ran applications are there for a reason and things like this would n't happen for example with MS Office or Open Office .
You 're the one controlling your work , not some algorithms that suddenly decide to mark your work " inappropriate " .
And you do n't have to wait for days for someone to answer to your support ticket with a copy-pasted " things to try " list.Even if you 're going for " cloud " services , get a reliable one that states exactly their backup plans and other things .
And for gods sake , put out a few dollars for it if you 're excepting any level of support or reliability .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is exactly why I never want to move everything "in the cloud", or in to Internet services for that matter.
Locally ran applications are there for a reason and things like this wouldn't happen for example with MS Office or Open Office.
You're the one controlling your work, not some algorithms that suddenly decide to mark your work "inappropriate".
And you don't have to wait for days for someone to answer to your support ticket with a copy-pasted "things to try" list.Even if you're going for "cloud" services, get a reliable one that states exactly their backup plans and other things.
And for gods sake, put out a few dollars for it if you're excepting any level of support or reliability.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30283970</id>
	<title>Yeah</title>
	<author>Peregr1n</author>
	<datestamp>1259686320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I repeatedly encouraged my girlfriend to store her PhD documents in Google Docs, rather than on her laptop (that she takes everywhere). Eventually she complied; then, after a week or so, all her Google Docs vanished without trace.</p><p>No previous versions, nothing. I was at a loss to explain it, and have you tried contacting Google with a tech support request? Not a chance.</p><p>She's reverted to her low-tech solution (keep on laptop, occasionally email self with document attachments as a backup). I can't blame her.</p><p>I'm not saying this WILL happen to anyone else, but it completely destroyed my faith in 'cloud' storage. I'm quite happy storing documents remotely, when I know where they are, but cloud storage by definition could be anywhere - or nowhere.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I repeatedly encouraged my girlfriend to store her PhD documents in Google Docs , rather than on her laptop ( that she takes everywhere ) .
Eventually she complied ; then , after a week or so , all her Google Docs vanished without trace.No previous versions , nothing .
I was at a loss to explain it , and have you tried contacting Google with a tech support request ?
Not a chance.She 's reverted to her low-tech solution ( keep on laptop , occasionally email self with document attachments as a backup ) .
I ca n't blame her.I 'm not saying this WILL happen to anyone else , but it completely destroyed my faith in 'cloud ' storage .
I 'm quite happy storing documents remotely , when I know where they are , but cloud storage by definition could be anywhere - or nowhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I repeatedly encouraged my girlfriend to store her PhD documents in Google Docs, rather than on her laptop (that she takes everywhere).
Eventually she complied; then, after a week or so, all her Google Docs vanished without trace.No previous versions, nothing.
I was at a loss to explain it, and have you tried contacting Google with a tech support request?
Not a chance.She's reverted to her low-tech solution (keep on laptop, occasionally email self with document attachments as a backup).
I can't blame her.I'm not saying this WILL happen to anyone else, but it completely destroyed my faith in 'cloud' storage.
I'm quite happy storing documents remotely, when I know where they are, but cloud storage by definition could be anywhere - or nowhere.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30286244</id>
	<title>The nebulous idea</title>
	<author>gringer</author>
	<datestamp>1259695620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's <a href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Richard\_Stallman\_Talk\_2009-10-09\_part5.ogv" title="wikimedia.org">Richard Stallman's</a> [wikimedia.org] view on Cloud computing [about 40s in]:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>[cloud computing] is so vague (or shall we say, <em>nebulous</em>) that it can't be used for meaningful statements. Basically what the term means is, don't pay attention to who has your data, or who controls any part of the computing you do, just ignore it. And ignoring it is what you shouldn't do.</p></div><p>If you let someone else control your access to your own files, consider that they might have a different idea of appropriate access to those files.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's Richard Stallman 's [ wikimedia.org ] view on Cloud computing [ about 40s in ] : [ cloud computing ] is so vague ( or shall we say , nebulous ) that it ca n't be used for meaningful statements .
Basically what the term means is , do n't pay attention to who has your data , or who controls any part of the computing you do , just ignore it .
And ignoring it is what you should n't do.If you let someone else control your access to your own files , consider that they might have a different idea of appropriate access to those files .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's Richard Stallman's [wikimedia.org] view on Cloud computing [about 40s in]:[cloud computing] is so vague (or shall we say, nebulous) that it can't be used for meaningful statements.
Basically what the term means is, don't pay attention to who has your data, or who controls any part of the computing you do, just ignore it.
And ignoring it is what you shouldn't do.If you let someone else control your access to your own files, consider that they might have a different idea of appropriate access to those files.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30286184</id>
	<title>Re:Worrying, but not terrible</title>
	<author>carp3\_noct3m</author>
	<datestamp>1259695440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can confirm that GApps paid support has not come through for me. It is horrendous, partly in quality of response, but mostly in response time. I had a client with a GApps issue and it took literally 3 days to get an email that said "We are looking into the problem and will inform you when we reach a solution" 1 day later I had figured it out, and they sent a completely non-applicable fix.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can confirm that GApps paid support has not come through for me .
It is horrendous , partly in quality of response , but mostly in response time .
I had a client with a GApps issue and it took literally 3 days to get an email that said " We are looking into the problem and will inform you when we reach a solution " 1 day later I had figured it out , and they sent a completely non-applicable fix .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can confirm that GApps paid support has not come through for me.
It is horrendous, partly in quality of response, but mostly in response time.
I had a client with a GApps issue and it took literally 3 days to get an email that said "We are looking into the problem and will inform you when we reach a solution" 1 day later I had figured it out, and they sent a completely non-applicable fix.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30283132</id>
	<title>Worrying, but not terrible</title>
	<author>slim</author>
	<datestamp>1259682660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is a concern, but remember we're talking about the free service here. Google's free services are great while everything works, but if you need a human being's attention, you're likely to be waiting a long time. I've had bad experiences with YouTube publishing glitches.</p><p>I'd hope that the paid Google Apps service has much better support. Can anyone confirm?</p><p>Meanwhile, in these cases, all that these people were unable to do was make their docs public. They could continue to edit them. They could presumably share them with specific contacts.</p><p>I think there needs to be a fix for this, but I don't think it's the end of the world for SaaS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a concern , but remember we 're talking about the free service here .
Google 's free services are great while everything works , but if you need a human being 's attention , you 're likely to be waiting a long time .
I 've had bad experiences with YouTube publishing glitches.I 'd hope that the paid Google Apps service has much better support .
Can anyone confirm ? Meanwhile , in these cases , all that these people were unable to do was make their docs public .
They could continue to edit them .
They could presumably share them with specific contacts.I think there needs to be a fix for this , but I do n't think it 's the end of the world for SaaS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a concern, but remember we're talking about the free service here.
Google's free services are great while everything works, but if you need a human being's attention, you're likely to be waiting a long time.
I've had bad experiences with YouTube publishing glitches.I'd hope that the paid Google Apps service has much better support.
Can anyone confirm?Meanwhile, in these cases, all that these people were unable to do was make their docs public.
They could continue to edit them.
They could presumably share them with specific contacts.I think there needs to be a fix for this, but I don't think it's the end of the world for SaaS.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30287592</id>
	<title>I *do* "really" listen</title>
	<author>Quiet\_Desperation</author>
	<datestamp>1259700120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>and what I hear (and see) is that the stuff people get all gooey and doe-eyed about tends to be the flashes in the pan while the real game changers just sort of wander in and quietly integrate themselves. Sometimes the latter is widely dismissed and criticized in the early stages.</htmltext>
<tokenext>and what I hear ( and see ) is that the stuff people get all gooey and doe-eyed about tends to be the flashes in the pan while the real game changers just sort of wander in and quietly integrate themselves .
Sometimes the latter is widely dismissed and criticized in the early stages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and what I hear (and see) is that the stuff people get all gooey and doe-eyed about tends to be the flashes in the pan while the real game changers just sort of wander in and quietly integrate themselves.
Sometimes the latter is widely dismissed and criticized in the early stages.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30284616</id>
	<title>Re:Worrying, but not terrible</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259689200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I donno - I work at a fortune 50 company and have tried 4 times this year to give them money to provide services.  Cannot get them to call back.  Went up and down every contact form, process, submission they have.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I donno - I work at a fortune 50 company and have tried 4 times this year to give them money to provide services .
Can not get them to call back .
Went up and down every contact form , process , submission they have .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I donno - I work at a fortune 50 company and have tried 4 times this year to give them money to provide services.
Cannot get them to call back.
Went up and down every contact form, process, submission they have.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30286576</id>
	<title>You Get What You Pay For</title>
	<author>RAMMS+EIN</author>
	<datestamp>1259696760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>``When it comes to support in the cloud, it kind of looks like you might get what you pay for.''</p><p>Oh, please. The connection of "you get what you pay for" with support is only used to discredit whatever technology the speaker doesn't happen to like.</p><p>There are free products with great support just as there are expensive products with crappy or nonexistent support. The phrase "you get what you pay for" was widely used to discredit open-source software, but it turns out that such software is now actually preferred over commercial software in many instances. And you often get quite a lot of support that you didn't pay for if you browse the fora.</p><p>"When it comes to support, you get what you pay for" is a cheap, meaningless slingshot.</p><p>There are real disadvantages to cloud computing, but bad support isn't one of them. You get the support that the provider gives you, and that can be great or horrible, regardless of whether they charge for it and regardless of whether or not they provide cloud computing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>` ` When it comes to support in the cloud , it kind of looks like you might get what you pay for .
''Oh , please .
The connection of " you get what you pay for " with support is only used to discredit whatever technology the speaker does n't happen to like.There are free products with great support just as there are expensive products with crappy or nonexistent support .
The phrase " you get what you pay for " was widely used to discredit open-source software , but it turns out that such software is now actually preferred over commercial software in many instances .
And you often get quite a lot of support that you did n't pay for if you browse the fora .
" When it comes to support , you get what you pay for " is a cheap , meaningless slingshot.There are real disadvantages to cloud computing , but bad support is n't one of them .
You get the support that the provider gives you , and that can be great or horrible , regardless of whether they charge for it and regardless of whether or not they provide cloud computing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>``When it comes to support in the cloud, it kind of looks like you might get what you pay for.
''Oh, please.
The connection of "you get what you pay for" with support is only used to discredit whatever technology the speaker doesn't happen to like.There are free products with great support just as there are expensive products with crappy or nonexistent support.
The phrase "you get what you pay for" was widely used to discredit open-source software, but it turns out that such software is now actually preferred over commercial software in many instances.
And you often get quite a lot of support that you didn't pay for if you browse the fora.
"When it comes to support, you get what you pay for" is a cheap, meaningless slingshot.There are real disadvantages to cloud computing, but bad support isn't one of them.
You get the support that the provider gives you, and that can be great or horrible, regardless of whether they charge for it and regardless of whether or not they provide cloud computing.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30286800</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah</title>
	<author>Cro Magnon</author>
	<datestamp>1259697420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I try to have at least 3 copies of my data.  Desktop, online, and laptop.  If my "cloud" goes up in smoke, I still have 2 local copies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I try to have at least 3 copies of my data .
Desktop , online , and laptop .
If my " cloud " goes up in smoke , I still have 2 local copies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I try to have at least 3 copies of my data.
Desktop, online, and laptop.
If my "cloud" goes up in smoke, I still have 2 local copies.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30284032</id>
	<title>Re:Rule #1</title>
	<author>dkf</author>
	<datestamp>1259686560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Rule #1 of cloud computing: "Do not trust the cloud".</p></div><p>Rule #1 is "You get the level of service that you pay for."</p><p>(OK, rule #1 is really "Don't get caught" but you know what I mean.)</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Why is Google even able to review the content? Content should be encrypted.</p></div><p>Because they're a very cheap provider. Pay more and you'll get the sort of service that you're asking for. Do you want the money or do you want the privacy?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Rule # 1 of cloud computing : " Do not trust the cloud " .Rule # 1 is " You get the level of service that you pay for .
" ( OK , rule # 1 is really " Do n't get caught " but you know what I mean .
) Why is Google even able to review the content ?
Content should be encrypted.Because they 're a very cheap provider .
Pay more and you 'll get the sort of service that you 're asking for .
Do you want the money or do you want the privacy ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rule #1 of cloud computing: "Do not trust the cloud".Rule #1 is "You get the level of service that you pay for.
"(OK, rule #1 is really "Don't get caught" but you know what I mean.
)Why is Google even able to review the content?
Content should be encrypted.Because they're a very cheap provider.
Pay more and you'll get the sort of service that you're asking for.
Do you want the money or do you want the privacy?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30283220</id>
	<title>A tragic little story</title>
	<author>Minwee</author>
	<datestamp>1259683020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My Dad has a Cloud that my sister and I used to store our homework assignments.
</p><p>One night, I was writing a paper on it, when all of a sudden it went berserk.  The screen started flashing and the whole paper just disappeared.  All of it.
</p><p>And it was a good paper!
</p><p>I had to cram and rewrite it really quickly.  Needless to say, my rushed paper wasn't nearly as good and I blame that Cloud for the grade I got.
</p><p>And I am totally not stoned right now.  Really.  Dude.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My Dad has a Cloud that my sister and I used to store our homework assignments .
One night , I was writing a paper on it , when all of a sudden it went berserk .
The screen started flashing and the whole paper just disappeared .
All of it .
And it was a good paper !
I had to cram and rewrite it really quickly .
Needless to say , my rushed paper was n't nearly as good and I blame that Cloud for the grade I got .
And I am totally not stoned right now .
Really. Dude .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My Dad has a Cloud that my sister and I used to store our homework assignments.
One night, I was writing a paper on it, when all of a sudden it went berserk.
The screen started flashing and the whole paper just disappeared.
All of it.
And it was a good paper!
I had to cram and rewrite it really quickly.
Needless to say, my rushed paper wasn't nearly as good and I blame that Cloud for the grade I got.
And I am totally not stoned right now.
Really.  Dude.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30285960</id>
	<title>Re:A tragic little story</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259694600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But did it go, "beep beep beep"?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But did it go , " beep beep beep " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But did it go, "beep beep beep"?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30285814</id>
	<title>Re:"disruptive"</title>
	<author>dangitman</author>
	<datestamp>1259694060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>as a techie, I cringe when I hear this.</p></div><p>That seems very weird to me. A "techie" should be embracing (good) disruptive technology. It would bother me to employ or work with a technician who was afraid of change and new ideas. It would indicate that you aren't really interested in technology - but you just want a nice, safe job where you don't have to learn anything new.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>as a techie , I cringe when I hear this.That seems very weird to me .
A " techie " should be embracing ( good ) disruptive technology .
It would bother me to employ or work with a technician who was afraid of change and new ideas .
It would indicate that you are n't really interested in technology - but you just want a nice , safe job where you do n't have to learn anything new .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>as a techie, I cringe when I hear this.That seems very weird to me.
A "techie" should be embracing (good) disruptive technology.
It would bother me to employ or work with a technician who was afraid of change and new ideas.
It would indicate that you aren't really interested in technology - but you just want a nice, safe job where you don't have to learn anything new.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30283652</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1419238.30284022</id>
	<title>Re:A tragic little story</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259686500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>beep beep beep beep beep!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>beep beep beep beep beep !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>beep beep beep beep beep!</sentencetext>
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