<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_01_1343244</id>
	<title>Cool-Tether Links Phones' Bandwidth To Make High-Speed Hotspots</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1259676240000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Barence writes <i>"Microsoft Research has found a novel way of beating the deplorably slow speeds of mobile broadband, by combining several phones together <a href="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/broadband/353782/cool-tether-turns-phones-into-high-speed-hotspots">to make one high-speed hotspot</a>. Dubbed Cool-Tether, the system harnesses the mobile data connection of multiple mobile handsets to build an on-the-fly Wi-Fi hotspot. 'To address the challenges of energy efficiency, Cool-Tether carefully optimises the energy drain of the WAN (GPRS/EDGE/3G) and Wi-Fi radios on smartphones,' Microsoft's research paper claims. 'We prototype Cool-Tether on smartphones and, experimentally, demonstrate savings in energy consumption between 38\%-71\% compared to prior energy-agnostic solutions.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Barence writes " Microsoft Research has found a novel way of beating the deplorably slow speeds of mobile broadband , by combining several phones together to make one high-speed hotspot .
Dubbed Cool-Tether , the system harnesses the mobile data connection of multiple mobile handsets to build an on-the-fly Wi-Fi hotspot .
'To address the challenges of energy efficiency , Cool-Tether carefully optimises the energy drain of the WAN ( GPRS/EDGE/3G ) and Wi-Fi radios on smartphones, ' Microsoft 's research paper claims .
'We prototype Cool-Tether on smartphones and , experimentally , demonstrate savings in energy consumption between 38 \ % -71 \ % compared to prior energy-agnostic solutions .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Barence writes "Microsoft Research has found a novel way of beating the deplorably slow speeds of mobile broadband, by combining several phones together to make one high-speed hotspot.
Dubbed Cool-Tether, the system harnesses the mobile data connection of multiple mobile handsets to build an on-the-fly Wi-Fi hotspot.
'To address the challenges of energy efficiency, Cool-Tether carefully optimises the energy drain of the WAN (GPRS/EDGE/3G) and Wi-Fi radios on smartphones,' Microsoft's research paper claims.
'We prototype Cool-Tether on smartphones and, experimentally, demonstrate savings in energy consumption between 38\%-71\% compared to prior energy-agnostic solutions.
'"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30291416</id>
	<title>Re:Bandwidth isn't the problem.</title>
	<author>evilviper</author>
	<datestamp>1259673480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Ping on a cell connection runs around 200 ms, in my experience.</p></div></blockquote><p>Verizon Rev-A EVDO does a bit better (most of the time) here:</p><p>$ ping 4.2.2.6<br>PING 4.2.2.6 (4.2.2.6) 56(84) bytes of data.<br>64 bytes from 4.2.2.6: icmp\_seq=1 ttl=46 time=115 ms<br>64 bytes from 4.2.2.6: icmp\_seq=2 ttl=46 time=106 ms<br>64 bytes from 4.2.2.6: icmp\_seq=3 ttl=46 time=92.3 ms<br>64 bytes from 4.2.2.6: icmp\_seq=4 ttl=46 time=111 ms<br>64 bytes from 4.2.2.6: icmp\_seq=5 ttl=46 time=90.6 ms<br>64 bytes from 4.2.2.6: icmp\_seq=6 ttl=46 time=94.7 ms<br>64 bytes from 4.2.2.6: icmp\_seq=7 ttl=46 time=107 ms<br>64 bytes from 4.2.2.6: icmp\_seq=8 ttl=46 time=124 ms<br>64 bytes from 4.2.2.6: icmp\_seq=9 ttl=46 time=89.1 ms<br>64 bytes from 4.2.2.6: icmp\_seq=10 ttl=46 time=118 ms<br>64 bytes from 4.2.2.6: icmp\_seq=11 ttl=46 time=97.5 ms<br>64 bytes from 4.2.2.6: icmp\_seq=12 ttl=46 time=177 ms<br>64 bytes from 4.2.2.6: icmp\_seq=13 ttl=46 time=92.7 ms<br>64 bytes from 4.2.2.6: icmp\_seq=14 ttl=46 time=91.9 ms<br>64 bytes from 4.2.2.6: icmp\_seq=15 ttl=46 time=91.0 ms</p><p>--- 4.2.2.6 ping statistics ---<br>15 packets transmitted, 15 received, 0\% packet loss, time 14009ms<br>rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 89.191/106.751/177.634/21.950 ms</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ping on a cell connection runs around 200 ms , in my experience.Verizon Rev-A EVDO does a bit better ( most of the time ) here : $ ping 4.2.2.6PING 4.2.2.6 ( 4.2.2.6 ) 56 ( 84 ) bytes of data.64 bytes from 4.2.2.6 : icmp \ _seq = 1 ttl = 46 time = 115 ms64 bytes from 4.2.2.6 : icmp \ _seq = 2 ttl = 46 time = 106 ms64 bytes from 4.2.2.6 : icmp \ _seq = 3 ttl = 46 time = 92.3 ms64 bytes from 4.2.2.6 : icmp \ _seq = 4 ttl = 46 time = 111 ms64 bytes from 4.2.2.6 : icmp \ _seq = 5 ttl = 46 time = 90.6 ms64 bytes from 4.2.2.6 : icmp \ _seq = 6 ttl = 46 time = 94.7 ms64 bytes from 4.2.2.6 : icmp \ _seq = 7 ttl = 46 time = 107 ms64 bytes from 4.2.2.6 : icmp \ _seq = 8 ttl = 46 time = 124 ms64 bytes from 4.2.2.6 : icmp \ _seq = 9 ttl = 46 time = 89.1 ms64 bytes from 4.2.2.6 : icmp \ _seq = 10 ttl = 46 time = 118 ms64 bytes from 4.2.2.6 : icmp \ _seq = 11 ttl = 46 time = 97.5 ms64 bytes from 4.2.2.6 : icmp \ _seq = 12 ttl = 46 time = 177 ms64 bytes from 4.2.2.6 : icmp \ _seq = 13 ttl = 46 time = 92.7 ms64 bytes from 4.2.2.6 : icmp \ _seq = 14 ttl = 46 time = 91.9 ms64 bytes from 4.2.2.6 : icmp \ _seq = 15 ttl = 46 time = 91.0 ms--- 4.2.2.6 ping statistics ---15 packets transmitted , 15 received , 0 \ % packet loss , time 14009msrtt min/avg/max/mdev = 89.191/106.751/177.634/21.950 ms</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ping on a cell connection runs around 200 ms, in my experience.Verizon Rev-A EVDO does a bit better (most of the time) here:$ ping 4.2.2.6PING 4.2.2.6 (4.2.2.6) 56(84) bytes of data.64 bytes from 4.2.2.6: icmp\_seq=1 ttl=46 time=115 ms64 bytes from 4.2.2.6: icmp\_seq=2 ttl=46 time=106 ms64 bytes from 4.2.2.6: icmp\_seq=3 ttl=46 time=92.3 ms64 bytes from 4.2.2.6: icmp\_seq=4 ttl=46 time=111 ms64 bytes from 4.2.2.6: icmp\_seq=5 ttl=46 time=90.6 ms64 bytes from 4.2.2.6: icmp\_seq=6 ttl=46 time=94.7 ms64 bytes from 4.2.2.6: icmp\_seq=7 ttl=46 time=107 ms64 bytes from 4.2.2.6: icmp\_seq=8 ttl=46 time=124 ms64 bytes from 4.2.2.6: icmp\_seq=9 ttl=46 time=89.1 ms64 bytes from 4.2.2.6: icmp\_seq=10 ttl=46 time=118 ms64 bytes from 4.2.2.6: icmp\_seq=11 ttl=46 time=97.5 ms64 bytes from 4.2.2.6: icmp\_seq=12 ttl=46 time=177 ms64 bytes from 4.2.2.6: icmp\_seq=13 ttl=46 time=92.7 ms64 bytes from 4.2.2.6: icmp\_seq=14 ttl=46 time=91.9 ms64 bytes from 4.2.2.6: icmp\_seq=15 ttl=46 time=91.0 ms--- 4.2.2.6 ping statistics ---15 packets transmitted, 15 received, 0\% packet loss, time 14009msrtt min/avg/max/mdev = 89.191/106.751/177.634/21.950 ms
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	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30285090</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30284312</id>
	<title>Microsoft Research</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259687820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The same brilliant minds that brought us Microsoft Songsmith.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The same brilliant minds that brought us Microsoft Songsmith .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The same brilliant minds that brought us Microsoft Songsmith.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30283118</id>
	<title>Re:like BitTorrent</title>
	<author>sopssa</author>
	<datestamp>1259682600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wasn't really talking about using the bandwidth, just the way how BitTorrent establish it and what effects it has on the network. They both "spam" the network with as many connections as possible to maximize speed, but that comes with cost of the others. On local level, if your torrent client is using 1000 connections at a time, your browser that is using 1-5 connections is going to suffer.</p><p>This thing is doing basically just the same, only that the ones "spamming" the phone tower with connections are those using this tether network. The ones not using it are going to suffer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was n't really talking about using the bandwidth , just the way how BitTorrent establish it and what effects it has on the network .
They both " spam " the network with as many connections as possible to maximize speed , but that comes with cost of the others .
On local level , if your torrent client is using 1000 connections at a time , your browser that is using 1-5 connections is going to suffer.This thing is doing basically just the same , only that the ones " spamming " the phone tower with connections are those using this tether network .
The ones not using it are going to suffer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wasn't really talking about using the bandwidth, just the way how BitTorrent establish it and what effects it has on the network.
They both "spam" the network with as many connections as possible to maximize speed, but that comes with cost of the others.
On local level, if your torrent client is using 1000 connections at a time, your browser that is using 1-5 connections is going to suffer.This thing is doing basically just the same, only that the ones "spamming" the phone tower with connections are those using this tether network.
The ones not using it are going to suffer.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30282898</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30283912</id>
	<title>Diffrent phones : Different operators</title>
	<author>DrYak</author>
	<datestamp>1259686020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, nothing prevents you from using several phone each using *a different* operator.<br>Thus you're not eating up more "user slots" than the average user, but spreading your bandwidth across several towers of several operators.</p><p>And the bittorrent problem is more linked to shitty service providers who attempts to oversell more bandwidth that they actually have and then come back crying when the users start attempting to use their connections as advertised.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , nothing prevents you from using several phone each using * a different * operator.Thus you 're not eating up more " user slots " than the average user , but spreading your bandwidth across several towers of several operators.And the bittorrent problem is more linked to shitty service providers who attempts to oversell more bandwidth that they actually have and then come back crying when the users start attempting to use their connections as advertised .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, nothing prevents you from using several phone each using *a different* operator.Thus you're not eating up more "user slots" than the average user, but spreading your bandwidth across several towers of several operators.And the bittorrent problem is more linked to shitty service providers who attempts to oversell more bandwidth that they actually have and then come back crying when the users start attempting to use their connections as advertised.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30282606</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30283318</id>
	<title>Deplorably slow?</title>
	<author>brucmack</author>
	<datestamp>1259683320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Deplorably slow? HSDPA is already faster than most people's broadband. Seems like a solution looking for a problem to me...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Deplorably slow ?
HSDPA is already faster than most people 's broadband .
Seems like a solution looking for a problem to me.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Deplorably slow?
HSDPA is already faster than most people's broadband.
Seems like a solution looking for a problem to me...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30285902</id>
	<title>Instant WiFi access?</title>
	<author>realsilly</author>
	<datestamp>1259694360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can see it now, people will buy phones to make instant WiFi access to download illegal stuff, and then kill it as quick as it was created, leaving little tracebility to who downloaded what.  And this could then put people at risk for being responsible for illegal downloads that they may not have actually had a hand in.</p><p>Just a what if thought...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can see it now , people will buy phones to make instant WiFi access to download illegal stuff , and then kill it as quick as it was created , leaving little tracebility to who downloaded what .
And this could then put people at risk for being responsible for illegal downloads that they may not have actually had a hand in.Just a what if thought.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can see it now, people will buy phones to make instant WiFi access to download illegal stuff, and then kill it as quick as it was created, leaving little tracebility to who downloaded what.
And this could then put people at risk for being responsible for illegal downloads that they may not have actually had a hand in.Just a what if thought...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30286880</id>
	<title>moD do5wn</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259697720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">whole has lost PPlay area Try not</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>whole has lost PPlay area Try not [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>whole has lost PPlay area Try not [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30283322</id>
	<title>Re:like BitTorrent</title>
	<author>berwiki</author>
	<datestamp>1259683320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>hammer the network so much that you get more while others suffer.</p></div></blockquote><p>
The bit-torrent argument is slightly inappropriate due to the fact I do not see constant, all-day file-sharing becoming common place on mobile phones in the near future.  (primarily due to battery issues)  This is for downloading an attachment, or more likely, many separate images to load a website faster.  I do not expect many people will use this technology to download a blu-ray movie from mininova with an down/up ratio of 1:1.<br> <br>

It may encourage people to perform <i>more</i> internet-related activities, but if they spend <i>less</i> time pulling data, then others should not suffer the way you are expecting.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>hammer the network so much that you get more while others suffer .
The bit-torrent argument is slightly inappropriate due to the fact I do not see constant , all-day file-sharing becoming common place on mobile phones in the near future .
( primarily due to battery issues ) This is for downloading an attachment , or more likely , many separate images to load a website faster .
I do not expect many people will use this technology to download a blu-ray movie from mininova with an down/up ratio of 1 : 1 .
It may encourage people to perform more internet-related activities , but if they spend less time pulling data , then others should not suffer the way you are expecting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>hammer the network so much that you get more while others suffer.
The bit-torrent argument is slightly inappropriate due to the fact I do not see constant, all-day file-sharing becoming common place on mobile phones in the near future.
(primarily due to battery issues)  This is for downloading an attachment, or more likely, many separate images to load a website faster.
I do not expect many people will use this technology to download a blu-ray movie from mininova with an down/up ratio of 1:1.
It may encourage people to perform more internet-related activities, but if they spend less time pulling data, then others should not suffer the way you are expecting.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30282606</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30284104</id>
	<title>Re:out of the box on Linux</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259686920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You lost me at "plug in."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You lost me at " plug in .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You lost me at "plug in.
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30283534</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30282866</id>
	<title>Re:like BitTorrent</title>
	<author>Sockatume</author>
	<datestamp>1259681580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Specifically, the issue is that HSDPA only gives about 3Mbps <i>per tower</i>, and no mesh wi-fi network will get around that because each phone will be using the same over-subscribed tower.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Specifically , the issue is that HSDPA only gives about 3Mbps per tower , and no mesh wi-fi network will get around that because each phone will be using the same over-subscribed tower .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Specifically, the issue is that HSDPA only gives about 3Mbps per tower, and no mesh wi-fi network will get around that because each phone will be using the same over-subscribed tower.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30282606</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30288570</id>
	<title>You get what you pay for.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259660820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Using bandwidth that you have PAID for is not abuse. A company overselling their capacity or promising more bandwidth than they provide is fraud however.</i> </p><p>You might want to read your contract and TOS.</p><p>If you are paying the mass market price for broadband you are paying for speeds "up to" some limit.</p><p>When and as available.</p><p>Western Union - a century or so back - printed a disclaimer on the top of every ordinary telegraph form that promised nothing more than a good faith attempt at prompt and accurate delivery.</p><p>The more things change...<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Using bandwidth that you have PAID for is not abuse .
A company overselling their capacity or promising more bandwidth than they provide is fraud however .
You might want to read your contract and TOS.If you are paying the mass market price for broadband you are paying for speeds " up to " some limit.When and as available.Western Union - a century or so back - printed a disclaimer on the top of every ordinary telegraph form that promised nothing more than a good faith attempt at prompt and accurate delivery.The more things change.. .    </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Using bandwidth that you have PAID for is not abuse.
A company overselling their capacity or promising more bandwidth than they provide is fraud however.
You might want to read your contract and TOS.If you are paying the mass market price for broadband you are paying for speeds "up to" some limit.When and as available.Western Union - a century or so back - printed a disclaimer on the top of every ordinary telegraph form that promised nothing more than a good faith attempt at prompt and accurate delivery.The more things change...
   </sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30282898</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30283502</id>
	<title>Re:like BitTorrent</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259684160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because with the "unlimited" plan that you paid for, "using" == "abusing"? Wonderful.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because with the " unlimited " plan that you paid for , " using " = = " abusing " ?
Wonderful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because with the "unlimited" plan that you paid for, "using" == "abusing"?
Wonderful.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30282606</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30284552</id>
	<title>Typical Microsoft academic pub- why?</title>
	<author>pdxp</author>
	<datestamp>1259688840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm an academic and I actually have to sift through bullshit like this to get to the real research, and it's quite frustrating.<br> <br>

As usual, they choose to address things readers will find interesting and leave out important details. Here's a few pseudo-equations for you:
<br> <br>

<tt>
PowerRequired(802.11) &lt; Power(3G).<br>
PowerRequired(3G x N phones) &gt;&gt; PowerRequired(One 802.11 AP).<br>
SpeedAndReliability(One 802.11 AP) &gt; SpeedAndReliability(3G x N phones (N &lt; 20 probably)).<br>
<br>
</tt>
<br>
And most importantly:<br>
<tt>
Cost(N tethered phones) &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Any reasonable price.
</tt>
<br>
<br>

Here's a tip to Microsoft Research: try doing some research first.
<br> <br>
* IAAANR. (I am an annoyed network researcher.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm an academic and I actually have to sift through bullshit like this to get to the real research , and it 's quite frustrating .
As usual , they choose to address things readers will find interesting and leave out important details .
Here 's a few pseudo-equations for you : PowerRequired ( 802.11 ) PowerRequired ( 3G x N phones ) &gt; &gt; PowerRequired ( One 802.11 AP ) .
SpeedAndReliability ( One 802.11 AP ) &gt; SpeedAndReliability ( 3G x N phones ( N And most importantly : Cost ( N tethered phones ) &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Any reasonable price .
Here 's a tip to Microsoft Research : try doing some research first .
* IAAANR .
( I am an annoyed network researcher .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm an academic and I actually have to sift through bullshit like this to get to the real research, and it's quite frustrating.
As usual, they choose to address things readers will find interesting and leave out important details.
Here's a few pseudo-equations for you:
 


PowerRequired(802.11) 
PowerRequired(3G x N phones) &gt;&gt; PowerRequired(One 802.11 AP).
SpeedAndReliability(One 802.11 AP) &gt; SpeedAndReliability(3G x N phones (N 



And most importantly:

Cost(N tethered phones) &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Any reasonable price.
Here's a tip to Microsoft Research: try doing some research first.
* IAAANR.
(I am an annoyed network researcher.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30282720</id>
	<title>What mobile company would support this?</title>
	<author>rotide</author>
	<datestamp>1259680500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously, which mobile provider, at least in the US would support this?  Most already don't like you tethering.  I can't imagine their reaction to multiple customers pooling their services together to take full advantage of their mobile broadband.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , which mobile provider , at least in the US would support this ?
Most already do n't like you tethering .
I ca n't imagine their reaction to multiple customers pooling their services together to take full advantage of their mobile broadband .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, which mobile provider, at least in the US would support this?
Most already don't like you tethering.
I can't imagine their reaction to multiple customers pooling their services together to take full advantage of their mobile broadband.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30282606</id>
	<title>like BitTorrent</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259679840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>a novel way of beating the deplorably slow speeds of mobile broadband, by combining several phones together to make one high-speed hotspot.</p></div><p>Mobile operators will just love this! Considering the cell towers can be a bit slow already and especially so when many people are using them for internet, this will not magically provide better speed off it. But it lets users abuse the network same way that BitTorrent does - hammer the network so much that you get more while others suffer.</p><p>While operators already have unlimited 3G for cheap (not in USA, so they actually <i>are</i> unlimited), the only way slow speeds of mobile broadband is going to improve is to push for new technologies and make the operators improve their network. But not that 3G's 5Mbps would be that slow anyway.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>a novel way of beating the deplorably slow speeds of mobile broadband , by combining several phones together to make one high-speed hotspot.Mobile operators will just love this !
Considering the cell towers can be a bit slow already and especially so when many people are using them for internet , this will not magically provide better speed off it .
But it lets users abuse the network same way that BitTorrent does - hammer the network so much that you get more while others suffer.While operators already have unlimited 3G for cheap ( not in USA , so they actually are unlimited ) , the only way slow speeds of mobile broadband is going to improve is to push for new technologies and make the operators improve their network .
But not that 3G 's 5Mbps would be that slow anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a novel way of beating the deplorably slow speeds of mobile broadband, by combining several phones together to make one high-speed hotspot.Mobile operators will just love this!
Considering the cell towers can be a bit slow already and especially so when many people are using them for internet, this will not magically provide better speed off it.
But it lets users abuse the network same way that BitTorrent does - hammer the network so much that you get more while others suffer.While operators already have unlimited 3G for cheap (not in USA, so they actually are unlimited), the only way slow speeds of mobile broadband is going to improve is to push for new technologies and make the operators improve their network.
But not that 3G's 5Mbps would be that slow anyway.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30284468</id>
	<title>Re:But, but.......</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1259688480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's Microsoft Research.  They publish lots of interesting papers and have a huge amount of funding for research.  Very few of their good ideas actually make it into shipping Microsoft products.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's Microsoft Research .
They publish lots of interesting papers and have a huge amount of funding for research .
Very few of their good ideas actually make it into shipping Microsoft products .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's Microsoft Research.
They publish lots of interesting papers and have a huge amount of funding for research.
Very few of their good ideas actually make it into shipping Microsoft products.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30282836</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30283226</id>
	<title>Old news.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259683020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you kidding? I've been doing this for about a year now using Mikrotik routers and either multiple ADSL connections or multiple 3G connections.</p><p>It's simply (ok maybe not so simply) a case of setting up routing and mangling rules so that *new* connections outbound are sent round-robin and all connections inbound are always responded to over the original link.<br>This method requires no support from the upstream provider and can use as many connections as required.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you kidding ?
I 've been doing this for about a year now using Mikrotik routers and either multiple ADSL connections or multiple 3G connections.It 's simply ( ok maybe not so simply ) a case of setting up routing and mangling rules so that * new * connections outbound are sent round-robin and all connections inbound are always responded to over the original link.This method requires no support from the upstream provider and can use as many connections as required .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you kidding?
I've been doing this for about a year now using Mikrotik routers and either multiple ADSL connections or multiple 3G connections.It's simply (ok maybe not so simply) a case of setting up routing and mangling rules so that *new* connections outbound are sent round-robin and all connections inbound are always responded to over the original link.This method requires no support from the upstream provider and can use as many connections as required.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30290106</id>
	<title>worked on this last year</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259667300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I actually worked on a system like this for my thesis at UCL (London) along with 3 other group members. We used USB dongles connected to laptops which combined their 3G bandwidths and offered it through a WiFi access point located on one of the laptops. We actually did manage to aggregate bandwidth and offer the sum of what was individually available. However, our solution was not polished as we had to complete the project in about 4 months. But it did work<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I actually worked on a system like this for my thesis at UCL ( London ) along with 3 other group members .
We used USB dongles connected to laptops which combined their 3G bandwidths and offered it through a WiFi access point located on one of the laptops .
We actually did manage to aggregate bandwidth and offer the sum of what was individually available .
However , our solution was not polished as we had to complete the project in about 4 months .
But it did work : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I actually worked on a system like this for my thesis at UCL (London) along with 3 other group members.
We used USB dongles connected to laptops which combined their 3G bandwidths and offered it through a WiFi access point located on one of the laptops.
We actually did manage to aggregate bandwidth and offer the sum of what was individually available.
However, our solution was not polished as we had to complete the project in about 4 months.
But it did work :)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30283016</id>
	<title>...and the news is power saving?</title>
	<author>SharpFang</author>
	<datestamp>1259682180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The system is most likely to be harnessed in developing nations such as India, where mobile internet is far more prevalent than fixed-line access. </i></p><p>So, the system is aimed at applications where GPRS/EDGE/3G speeds are not sufficient but there is no access to power lines, and there are several phones to mitigate the speed problem? Like, I don't know, team of computer pirates torrenting while on the move to be hard to locate? Or live TV broadcasting?</p><p>I mean, usually if you have several smartphones at hand, and a computer with a job that requires network speed exceeding 3G, you often have some sockets to plug the chargers in...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The system is most likely to be harnessed in developing nations such as India , where mobile internet is far more prevalent than fixed-line access .
So , the system is aimed at applications where GPRS/EDGE/3G speeds are not sufficient but there is no access to power lines , and there are several phones to mitigate the speed problem ?
Like , I do n't know , team of computer pirates torrenting while on the move to be hard to locate ?
Or live TV broadcasting ? I mean , usually if you have several smartphones at hand , and a computer with a job that requires network speed exceeding 3G , you often have some sockets to plug the chargers in.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The system is most likely to be harnessed in developing nations such as India, where mobile internet is far more prevalent than fixed-line access.
So, the system is aimed at applications where GPRS/EDGE/3G speeds are not sufficient but there is no access to power lines, and there are several phones to mitigate the speed problem?
Like, I don't know, team of computer pirates torrenting while on the move to be hard to locate?
Or live TV broadcasting?I mean, usually if you have several smartphones at hand, and a computer with a job that requires network speed exceeding 3G, you often have some sockets to plug the chargers in...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30283534</id>
	<title>out of the box on Linux</title>
	<author>jipn4</author>
	<datestamp>1259684400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You get this kind of thing out of the box on Linux: just plug in multiple phones and configure multiple internet connections; you get load balancing, on-demand dialing, and all that for free.  Linux got this support years ago for dial-up modems, but mobiles phones look like dial-up modems to Linux anyway.  It's not usually done with cell phones because it's expensive (that's why there's no simple UI for configuring it), but it's well documented and pretty easy to set up.</p><p>(Of course, with Windows and WinMo, it may actually be rocket science.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You get this kind of thing out of the box on Linux : just plug in multiple phones and configure multiple internet connections ; you get load balancing , on-demand dialing , and all that for free .
Linux got this support years ago for dial-up modems , but mobiles phones look like dial-up modems to Linux anyway .
It 's not usually done with cell phones because it 's expensive ( that 's why there 's no simple UI for configuring it ) , but it 's well documented and pretty easy to set up .
( Of course , with Windows and WinMo , it may actually be rocket science .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You get this kind of thing out of the box on Linux: just plug in multiple phones and configure multiple internet connections; you get load balancing, on-demand dialing, and all that for free.
Linux got this support years ago for dial-up modems, but mobiles phones look like dial-up modems to Linux anyway.
It's not usually done with cell phones because it's expensive (that's why there's no simple UI for configuring it), but it's well documented and pretty easy to set up.
(Of course, with Windows and WinMo, it may actually be rocket science.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30284056</id>
	<title>Re:like BitTorrent</title>
	<author>Aqualung812</author>
	<datestamp>1259686620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Specifically, the issue is that HSDPA only gives about 3Mbps <i>per tower</i></p></div> </blockquote><p>
I'm pretty sure you mean <i>per channel</i>.  Multiple devices can use different frequencies from the same tower.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Specifically , the issue is that HSDPA only gives about 3Mbps per tower I 'm pretty sure you mean per channel .
Multiple devices can use different frequencies from the same tower .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Specifically, the issue is that HSDPA only gives about 3Mbps per tower 
I'm pretty sure you mean per channel.
Multiple devices can use different frequencies from the same tower.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30282866</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30287512</id>
	<title>Re:like BitTorrent</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259699880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>But it lets users abuse the network same way that BitTorrent does - hammer the network so much that you get more while others suffer.</p></div><p>That has nothing to do with P2P sharing. You can max out a connection by downloading/uploading from/to anywhere, it's not limited to a single application that has been demonized by the Telcoms.</p><p>I hope you enjoy the kool-aid.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But it lets users abuse the network same way that BitTorrent does - hammer the network so much that you get more while others suffer.That has nothing to do with P2P sharing .
You can max out a connection by downloading/uploading from/to anywhere , it 's not limited to a single application that has been demonized by the Telcoms.I hope you enjoy the kool-aid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But it lets users abuse the network same way that BitTorrent does - hammer the network so much that you get more while others suffer.That has nothing to do with P2P sharing.
You can max out a connection by downloading/uploading from/to anywhere, it's not limited to a single application that has been demonized by the Telcoms.I hope you enjoy the kool-aid.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30282606</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30283184</id>
	<title>Re:But, but.......</title>
	<author>Phaedrus420</author>
	<datestamp>1259682900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.forbes.com/feeds/businesswire/2009/10/14/businesswire130175625\_print.html" title="forbes.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.forbes.com/feeds/businesswire/2009/10/14/businesswire130175625\_print.html</a> [forbes.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.forbes.com/feeds/businesswire/2009/10/14/businesswire130175625 \ _print.html [ forbes.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.forbes.com/feeds/businesswire/2009/10/14/businesswire130175625\_print.html [forbes.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30282836</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30285090</id>
	<title>Bandwidth isn't the problem.</title>
	<author>merreborn</author>
	<datestamp>1259691120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not the bandwidth.  It's the latency.</p><p>Ping on a cell connection runs around 200 ms, in my experience.  *That's* the part that makes tethering suck -- with pages requiring dozens of images and javascript files these days, waiting for a 200ms round trip for each request adds up FAST.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not the bandwidth .
It 's the latency.Ping on a cell connection runs around 200 ms , in my experience .
* That 's * the part that makes tethering suck -- with pages requiring dozens of images and javascript files these days , waiting for a 200ms round trip for each request adds up FAST .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not the bandwidth.
It's the latency.Ping on a cell connection runs around 200 ms, in my experience.
*That's* the part that makes tethering suck -- with pages requiring dozens of images and javascript files these days, waiting for a 200ms round trip for each request adds up FAST.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30292610</id>
	<title>Re:like BitTorrent</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259680860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cool! Instead of paying $0.25 a megabyte overage fees, I'll be paying $0.25 x N per megabyte (where N is the number of phones being used). This is not a big improvement where I am standing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cool !
Instead of paying $ 0.25 a megabyte overage fees , I 'll be paying $ 0.25 x N per megabyte ( where N is the number of phones being used ) .
This is not a big improvement where I am standing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cool!
Instead of paying $0.25 a megabyte overage fees, I'll be paying $0.25 x N per megabyte (where N is the number of phones being used).
This is not a big improvement where I am standing.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30282606</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30298126</id>
	<title>Re:like BitTorrent</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259600640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can't you use the mesh to connect to a second tower some distance away which at least might be less congested and using a different backhaul? You could even use the mesh network to jump to make the most efficient use of the bandwidth in the adjacent cells.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ca n't you use the mesh to connect to a second tower some distance away which at least might be less congested and using a different backhaul ?
You could even use the mesh network to jump to make the most efficient use of the bandwidth in the adjacent cells .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can't you use the mesh to connect to a second tower some distance away which at least might be less congested and using a different backhaul?
You could even use the mesh network to jump to make the most efficient use of the bandwidth in the adjacent cells.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30282866</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30283576</id>
	<title>Good job</title>
	<author>HangingChad</author>
	<datestamp>1259684700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>Microsoft Research has found a novel way of beating the deplorably slow speeds of mobile broadband...</i>

</p><p>Good job, research division.  Now reluctantly hand it over to marketing which will:

</p><p>- Tie it to Windows Mobile
<br>- Cripple it to only work with Hotmail and Bing
<br>- Junk it up with "partner channels"
<br>- Drag out deployment long enough for Apple to be able to field something smaller, cooler and 5x more expensive six months ahead</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft Research has found a novel way of beating the deplorably slow speeds of mobile broadband.. . Good job , research division .
Now reluctantly hand it over to marketing which will : - Tie it to Windows Mobile - Cripple it to only work with Hotmail and Bing - Junk it up with " partner channels " - Drag out deployment long enough for Apple to be able to field something smaller , cooler and 5x more expensive six months ahead</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Microsoft Research has found a novel way of beating the deplorably slow speeds of mobile broadband...

Good job, research division.
Now reluctantly hand it over to marketing which will:

- Tie it to Windows Mobile
- Cripple it to only work with Hotmail and Bing
- Junk it up with "partner channels"
- Drag out deployment long enough for Apple to be able to field something smaller, cooler and 5x more expensive six months ahead</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30283478</id>
	<title>Re:What mobile company would support this?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259683980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Anyone want to take bets whether the iPhone store will allow this app?  (Hey, since the US is delaying anti-gambling regulations, I'm still okay asking this, right?)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone want to take bets whether the iPhone store will allow this app ?
( Hey , since the US is delaying anti-gambling regulations , I 'm still okay asking this , right ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone want to take bets whether the iPhone store will allow this app?
(Hey, since the US is delaying anti-gambling regulations, I'm still okay asking this, right?
)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30282720</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30295192</id>
	<title>Re:But, but.......</title>
	<author>rastoboy29</author>
	<datestamp>1259578320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>No, they can innovate.&nbsp; They just can't figure out how to make money off it.<br><br>They could if they weren't so greedy.&nbsp; I actually respect the fact that MS sponsors pure research, more or less.&nbsp; But they should look to GOOG to learn how to capitalize the results properly (instead of being douchebags).</tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , they can innovate.   They just ca n't figure out how to make money off it.They could if they were n't so greedy.   I actually respect the fact that MS sponsors pure research , more or less.   But they should look to GOOG to learn how to capitalize the results properly ( instead of being douchebags ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, they can innovate.  They just can't figure out how to make money off it.They could if they weren't so greedy.  I actually respect the fact that MS sponsors pure research, more or less.  But they should look to GOOG to learn how to capitalize the results properly (instead of being douchebags).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30282836</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30282782</id>
	<title>suggestion...</title>
	<author>cashX3r0</author>
	<datestamp>1259680920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>rename it to sweet-tether.  this way users aren't expecting their phones to be colder when using the service.  but i do think that it is a very rad move using hot names that jive with today's lingo.</htmltext>
<tokenext>rename it to sweet-tether .
this way users are n't expecting their phones to be colder when using the service .
but i do think that it is a very rad move using hot names that jive with today 's lingo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>rename it to sweet-tether.
this way users aren't expecting their phones to be colder when using the service.
but i do think that it is a very rad move using hot names that jive with today's lingo.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30283014</id>
	<title>Re:But, but.......</title>
	<author>jhoegl</author>
	<datestamp>1259682180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I dunno, I had the same thought as parent.  You Mods do realize that the differences in Office 2010 and Office 2k8 are interface differences?  You do realize the differences in Vista and WIndows 7 are mere "bug fixes", much like Win 95 and Win98 were. WinME doesnt count... ever.  Innovation at Microsoft is like News on Fox, it just doesnt happen.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I dunno , I had the same thought as parent .
You Mods do realize that the differences in Office 2010 and Office 2k8 are interface differences ?
You do realize the differences in Vista and WIndows 7 are mere " bug fixes " , much like Win 95 and Win98 were .
WinME doesnt count... ever. Innovation at Microsoft is like News on Fox , it just doesnt happen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dunno, I had the same thought as parent.
You Mods do realize that the differences in Office 2010 and Office 2k8 are interface differences?
You do realize the differences in Vista and WIndows 7 are mere "bug fixes", much like Win 95 and Win98 were.
WinME doesnt count... ever.  Innovation at Microsoft is like News on Fox, it just doesnt happen.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30282836</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30283468</id>
	<title>Hot-Tether</title>
	<author>klui</author>
	<datestamp>1259683920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>With all those phones running, I would imagine them running anything but cool.</htmltext>
<tokenext>With all those phones running , I would imagine them running anything but cool .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With all those phones running, I would imagine them running anything but cool.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30283664</id>
	<title>Don't you need seperate gateways for this?</title>
	<author>anethema</author>
	<datestamp>1259685060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm actually curious how you combine the speeds from multiple devices which use the same gateway to get a single faster connection. Doesn't this thing normally require seperate gateways per connection?<br><br>The other way to get around this is to have 2 routers working for you doing basically the same thing, but the speedup is only between those two routers. To get faster internet speeds I'm pretty sure separate gateways are needed. Do they get around this ?<br><br>http://lartc.org/lartc.html#LARTC.LOADSHARE</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm actually curious how you combine the speeds from multiple devices which use the same gateway to get a single faster connection .
Does n't this thing normally require seperate gateways per connection ? The other way to get around this is to have 2 routers working for you doing basically the same thing , but the speedup is only between those two routers .
To get faster internet speeds I 'm pretty sure separate gateways are needed .
Do they get around this ? http : //lartc.org/lartc.html # LARTC.LOADSHARE</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm actually curious how you combine the speeds from multiple devices which use the same gateway to get a single faster connection.
Doesn't this thing normally require seperate gateways per connection?The other way to get around this is to have 2 routers working for you doing basically the same thing, but the speedup is only between those two routers.
To get faster internet speeds I'm pretty sure separate gateways are needed.
Do they get around this ?http://lartc.org/lartc.html#LARTC.LOADSHARE</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30287356</id>
	<title>Don't get your hopes up.</title>
	<author>SkOink</author>
	<datestamp>1259699280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Microsoft Research is an awesome entity that produces a ton of cool things. Have you ever poked around on their website? It's got a ton of cool projects like this one. I wouldn't get your hopes of ever seeing this turn into a real product - just because somebody in MS Research is working on it doesn't mean that Microsoft has any plans to use it for anything. I'm convinced that the primary purpose of MS Research is to employ people so that they don't go work for Microsoft's competitors.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft Research is an awesome entity that produces a ton of cool things .
Have you ever poked around on their website ?
It 's got a ton of cool projects like this one .
I would n't get your hopes of ever seeing this turn into a real product - just because somebody in MS Research is working on it does n't mean that Microsoft has any plans to use it for anything .
I 'm convinced that the primary purpose of MS Research is to employ people so that they do n't go work for Microsoft 's competitors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft Research is an awesome entity that produces a ton of cool things.
Have you ever poked around on their website?
It's got a ton of cool projects like this one.
I wouldn't get your hopes of ever seeing this turn into a real product - just because somebody in MS Research is working on it doesn't mean that Microsoft has any plans to use it for anything.
I'm convinced that the primary purpose of MS Research is to employ people so that they don't go work for Microsoft's competitors.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30294740</id>
	<title>Re:What mobile company would support this?</title>
	<author>rdnetto</author>
	<datestamp>1259571600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How would they stop you? Androids, iPhones (once jailbroken), Windows Mobile, Symbian, Maemo, etc. all let you run your own apps. How hard would it be to write one (and port it to all the above platforms) that implements this with a common/standardized protocol? Just combine the program with a browser and you don't even need to worry about messing around with the OS</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How would they stop you ?
Androids , iPhones ( once jailbroken ) , Windows Mobile , Symbian , Maemo , etc .
all let you run your own apps .
How hard would it be to write one ( and port it to all the above platforms ) that implements this with a common/standardized protocol ?
Just combine the program with a browser and you do n't even need to worry about messing around with the OS</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How would they stop you?
Androids, iPhones (once jailbroken), Windows Mobile, Symbian, Maemo, etc.
all let you run your own apps.
How hard would it be to write one (and port it to all the above platforms) that implements this with a common/standardized protocol?
Just combine the program with a browser and you don't even need to worry about messing around with the OS</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30282720</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30282898</id>
	<title>Re:like BitTorrent</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259681700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Using bandwidth that you have PAID for is not abuse. A company overselling their capacity or promising more bandwidth than they provide is fraud however.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Using bandwidth that you have PAID for is not abuse .
A company overselling their capacity or promising more bandwidth than they provide is fraud however .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Using bandwidth that you have PAID for is not abuse.
A company overselling their capacity or promising more bandwidth than they provide is fraud however.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30282606</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30283838</id>
	<title>Power utilization estimates sound like B.S.</title>
	<author>Da\_Biz</author>
	<datestamp>1259685720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>savings in energy consumption between 38\%-71\% compared to prior energy-agnostic solutions</i><br>This strikes me as hubris (at least a little).  While TFA talks about throttling down power usage, we're talking about doing this with multiple components being replicated (CPUs, maybe WiFi receivers, connectivity between phones, etc.).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>savings in energy consumption between 38 \ % -71 \ % compared to prior energy-agnostic solutionsThis strikes me as hubris ( at least a little ) .
While TFA talks about throttling down power usage , we 're talking about doing this with multiple components being replicated ( CPUs , maybe WiFi receivers , connectivity between phones , etc .
) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>savings in energy consumption between 38\%-71\% compared to prior energy-agnostic solutionsThis strikes me as hubris (at least a little).
While TFA talks about throttling down power usage, we're talking about doing this with multiple components being replicated (CPUs, maybe WiFi receivers, connectivity between phones, etc.
).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30283074</id>
	<title>AKA JoikuBoost</title>
	<author>CharlyFoxtrot</author>
	<datestamp>1259682420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Way to innovate MS! <a href="http://www.joiku.com/?action=products&amp;mode=productDetails&amp;product\_id=576" title="joiku.com">JoikuBoost</a> [joiku.com]: "JoikuBoost joins multiple 3G connections from mobile phones and operator networks into one larger unified and shared bit pipe, accessible over WiFi from e.g. laptops."<br>Who wants to bet they'll get the patent anyway ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Way to innovate MS !
JoikuBoost [ joiku.com ] : " JoikuBoost joins multiple 3G connections from mobile phones and operator networks into one larger unified and shared bit pipe , accessible over WiFi from e.g .
laptops. " Who wants to bet they 'll get the patent anyway ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Way to innovate MS!
JoikuBoost [joiku.com]: "JoikuBoost joins multiple 3G connections from mobile phones and operator networks into one larger unified and shared bit pipe, accessible over WiFi from e.g.
laptops."Who wants to bet they'll get the patent anyway ?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30332166</id>
	<title>Re:Bandwidth isn't the problem.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259942100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the whole thing sucks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the whole thing sucks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the whole thing sucks.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30285090</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30283110</id>
	<title>Does this use less battery</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259682600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...or just someone else's?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...or just someone else 's ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...or just someone else's?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30287938</id>
	<title>Re:like BitTorrent</title>
	<author>TheThiefMaster</author>
	<datestamp>1259658300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A better comparison would be to "download accelerators". You know, the ones which boost download speeds by opening 30 connections to the exact same server, crowding out other users...</p><p>Bittorrent isn't designed to crowd out small users off of the net in order to get its speed, it's just an unfortunate side-effect of how some network hardware works. Download accelerators on the other hand, get their speed exactly the same way as this device.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A better comparison would be to " download accelerators " .
You know , the ones which boost download speeds by opening 30 connections to the exact same server , crowding out other users...Bittorrent is n't designed to crowd out small users off of the net in order to get its speed , it 's just an unfortunate side-effect of how some network hardware works .
Download accelerators on the other hand , get their speed exactly the same way as this device .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A better comparison would be to "download accelerators".
You know, the ones which boost download speeds by opening 30 connections to the exact same server, crowding out other users...Bittorrent isn't designed to crowd out small users off of the net in order to get its speed, it's just an unfortunate side-effect of how some network hardware works.
Download accelerators on the other hand, get their speed exactly the same way as this device.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30282606</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30282884</id>
	<title>Re:like BitTorrent</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259681640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can find more about Cool-Tether technology is on Microsoft Research website:<br>http://research.microsoft.com/apps/pubs/default.aspx?id=103175</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can find more about Cool-Tether technology is on Microsoft Research website : http : //research.microsoft.com/apps/pubs/default.aspx ? id = 103175</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can find more about Cool-Tether technology is on Microsoft Research website:http://research.microsoft.com/apps/pubs/default.aspx?id=103175</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30282606</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30282738</id>
	<title>Meme redux</title>
	<author>minvaren</author>
	<datestamp>1259680620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>So given the disruptive effect on the cell data network this would have, would it be more apt to call it a Grendel cluster?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So given the disruptive effect on the cell data network this would have , would it be more apt to call it a Grendel cluster ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So given the disruptive effect on the cell data network this would have, would it be more apt to call it a Grendel cluster?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30284682</id>
	<title>If only I could</title>
	<author>VincenzoRomano</author>
	<datestamp>1259689500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>attach to multiple free wifi hotspot I see from my room<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</htmltext>
<tokenext>attach to multiple free wifi hotspot I see from my room .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>attach to multiple free wifi hotspot I see from my room ...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30284584</id>
	<title>Old Hat for Cradlepoint</title>
	<author>m3rck</author>
	<datestamp>1259688960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I did this for Cradlepoint 2 years ago. We call it "Load Balancing". Plus, instead of just cellphones, you can use almost any 3G modem and WiMax device. It also has the capability to balance with the wire. It's funny that this took 3 to 5 year for Microsoft to develop. I did it in 2 months.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I did this for Cradlepoint 2 years ago .
We call it " Load Balancing " .
Plus , instead of just cellphones , you can use almost any 3G modem and WiMax device .
It also has the capability to balance with the wire .
It 's funny that this took 3 to 5 year for Microsoft to develop .
I did it in 2 months .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I did this for Cradlepoint 2 years ago.
We call it "Load Balancing".
Plus, instead of just cellphones, you can use almost any 3G modem and WiMax device.
It also has the capability to balance with the wire.
It's funny that this took 3 to 5 year for Microsoft to develop.
I did it in 2 months.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30284210</id>
	<title>MS is a Hog</title>
	<author>dontgetshocked</author>
	<datestamp>1259687340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Please don't take my bandwidth away Microsoft,I need it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Please do n't take my bandwidth away Microsoft,I need it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please don't take my bandwidth away Microsoft,I need it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30282760</id>
	<title>Re:like BitTorrent</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259680800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i> But it lets users abuse the network</i></p><p>Bittorrent?</p><p>I like to abuse my network by complaining how slow it is to responding to my requests for pictures of sandwiches and how much space its old equipment takes up.   I always threaten to keep it off the surge protector or knock it off the shelf so I can get a nice new slim model with all the bells and whistles.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But it lets users abuse the networkBittorrent ? I like to abuse my network by complaining how slow it is to responding to my requests for pictures of sandwiches and how much space its old equipment takes up .
I always threaten to keep it off the surge protector or knock it off the shelf so I can get a nice new slim model with all the bells and whistles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> But it lets users abuse the networkBittorrent?I like to abuse my network by complaining how slow it is to responding to my requests for pictures of sandwiches and how much space its old equipment takes up.
I always threaten to keep it off the surge protector or knock it off the shelf so I can get a nice new slim model with all the bells and whistles.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30282606</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30283096</id>
	<title>Alpine!</title>
	<author>Stavr0</author>
	<datestamp>1259682540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Implement this as an ssh worm for jailbroken iPhones and we have a world wide free WiFi network.

Thanks Microsoft!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Implement this as an ssh worm for jailbroken iPhones and we have a world wide free WiFi network .
Thanks Microsoft !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Implement this as an ssh worm for jailbroken iPhones and we have a world wide free WiFi network.
Thanks Microsoft!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30282748</id>
	<title>Can't wait for the pwnage</title>
	<author>gravyface</author>
	<datestamp>1259680740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>when someone figures out a way to create a swarm of zombie phones using this technology.</htmltext>
<tokenext>when someone figures out a way to create a swarm of zombie phones using this technology .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>when someone figures out a way to create a swarm of zombie phones using this technology.</sentencetext>
</comment>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30283010</id>
	<title>Cydia</title>
	<author>phrostie</author>
	<datestamp>1259682180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>so when will they release this for Cydia?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>so when will they release this for Cydia ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>so when will they release this for Cydia?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30300868</id>
	<title>No big innovation</title>
	<author>GameboyRMH</author>
	<datestamp>1259613120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hardly innovative - it's basically load-balancing multiple cellular connections and making it available with a WiFi access point. I could do that right now with a Linux (maybe pfSense?) box (I think about it every time my shit ADSL connection goes out, but of course a setup like this would be horrendously expensive). It's also nearly same idea as the "wifi mega-snarfer" concept that's been around for ages - except this uses multiple cell connections instead of multiple unsecured wifi access points. The power management is cool but nothing groundbreaking - power management is a blatanty obvious issue when running on battery power.
<br> <br>
I'll admit it's surprisingly un-corporate and not-vanilla for Microsoft though.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hardly innovative - it 's basically load-balancing multiple cellular connections and making it available with a WiFi access point .
I could do that right now with a Linux ( maybe pfSense ?
) box ( I think about it every time my shit ADSL connection goes out , but of course a setup like this would be horrendously expensive ) .
It 's also nearly same idea as the " wifi mega-snarfer " concept that 's been around for ages - except this uses multiple cell connections instead of multiple unsecured wifi access points .
The power management is cool but nothing groundbreaking - power management is a blatanty obvious issue when running on battery power .
I 'll admit it 's surprisingly un-corporate and not-vanilla for Microsoft though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hardly innovative - it's basically load-balancing multiple cellular connections and making it available with a WiFi access point.
I could do that right now with a Linux (maybe pfSense?
) box (I think about it every time my shit ADSL connection goes out, but of course a setup like this would be horrendously expensive).
It's also nearly same idea as the "wifi mega-snarfer" concept that's been around for ages - except this uses multiple cell connections instead of multiple unsecured wifi access points.
The power management is cool but nothing groundbreaking - power management is a blatanty obvious issue when running on battery power.
I'll admit it's surprisingly un-corporate and not-vanilla for Microsoft though.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30282836</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_01_1343244.30282836</id>
	<title>But, but.......</title>
	<author>endeavour31</author>
	<datestamp>1259681280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Everyone here knows Microsoft cannot innovate!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Everyone here knows Microsoft can not innovate !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everyone here knows Microsoft cannot innovate!</sentencetext>
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