<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_30_2042245</id>
	<title>India Hanging Up On 25 Million Cell Phones</title>
	<author>ScuttleMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1259579520000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>jvillain writes <i>"India is about to <a href="http://www.thestar.com/news/article/732572--india-hanging-up-on-25-million-cellphones">pull the plug on 25 million cell phones</a> in the name of fighting terrorism and fraud. 'The ban by India's Department of Telecommunications has been unfolding gradually since Oct. 6, 2008, six weeks before the attacks in Mumbai killed 173 people and wounded 308. A memo then directed service providers to cut off cellphone users whose devices didn't have a real IMEI &mdash; or unique identity number &mdash; in the interests of 'national security.' Since then, the move has picked up steam as a way to circumvent terrorists using black market, unregistered cellphones. The Mumbai attackers kept in touch with each other via cellphones and used GPS to pinpoint their attacks, which started Nov. 26, 2008, and went on for three days.  The telecommunications department has issued warnings and deadlines through 2009 but has announced this one is for real, telling operators to block cellphones without valid IMEI numbers. Previously, it warned companies to stop importing them and customers to stop buying them.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>jvillain writes " India is about to pull the plug on 25 million cell phones in the name of fighting terrorism and fraud .
'The ban by India 's Department of Telecommunications has been unfolding gradually since Oct. 6 , 2008 , six weeks before the attacks in Mumbai killed 173 people and wounded 308 .
A memo then directed service providers to cut off cellphone users whose devices did n't have a real IMEI    or unique identity number    in the interests of 'national security .
' Since then , the move has picked up steam as a way to circumvent terrorists using black market , unregistered cellphones .
The Mumbai attackers kept in touch with each other via cellphones and used GPS to pinpoint their attacks , which started Nov. 26 , 2008 , and went on for three days .
The telecommunications department has issued warnings and deadlines through 2009 but has announced this one is for real , telling operators to block cellphones without valid IMEI numbers .
Previously , it warned companies to stop importing them and customers to stop buying them .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>jvillain writes "India is about to pull the plug on 25 million cell phones in the name of fighting terrorism and fraud.
'The ban by India's Department of Telecommunications has been unfolding gradually since Oct. 6, 2008, six weeks before the attacks in Mumbai killed 173 people and wounded 308.
A memo then directed service providers to cut off cellphone users whose devices didn't have a real IMEI — or unique identity number — in the interests of 'national security.
' Since then, the move has picked up steam as a way to circumvent terrorists using black market, unregistered cellphones.
The Mumbai attackers kept in touch with each other via cellphones and used GPS to pinpoint their attacks, which started Nov. 26, 2008, and went on for three days.
The telecommunications department has issued warnings and deadlines through 2009 but has announced this one is for real, telling operators to block cellphones without valid IMEI numbers.
Previously, it warned companies to stop importing them and customers to stop buying them.
'"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30277928</id>
	<title>Nope; To easy to track and stop</title>
	<author>WindBourne</author>
	<datestamp>1259589600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Instead the initial attack will likely be local wifi's set up to relay their signals. It is trivial to rig and will take longer than an hour or two for Indian police to figure out what is going on and to get them. Then it will be via different cell phones after a pre-determined length of time. Basically, communication is VERY easy to establish and difficult to stop.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Instead the initial attack will likely be local wifi 's set up to relay their signals .
It is trivial to rig and will take longer than an hour or two for Indian police to figure out what is going on and to get them .
Then it will be via different cell phones after a pre-determined length of time .
Basically , communication is VERY easy to establish and difficult to stop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Instead the initial attack will likely be local wifi's set up to relay their signals.
It is trivial to rig and will take longer than an hour or two for Indian police to figure out what is going on and to get them.
Then it will be via different cell phones after a pre-determined length of time.
Basically, communication is VERY easy to establish and difficult to stop.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30277464</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah, great idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259586660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>This happened in Pakistan, where a Chinese manufacturer used the same IMEI number on thousands of cell phones of a particularly cheap model (The model was cloned from a Nokia phone and cloned its IMEI # as well). One day in July 2008, one customer had his cellphone stolen and reported it to Pakistan Telcom Authority, who promptly banned that device using its IMEI number. Result: Mayhem for other owners who owned the same model of phone, as they were all banned at the same time. There were unhappy customers storming dozens of mobile phone stores and sales of Chinese-made phones came to a complete stop for a few days.

An archive of the mayhem that ensued is still saved here: <a href="http://www.asiamedia.ucla.edu/article-southasia.asp?parentid=94421" title="ucla.edu" rel="nofollow">http://www.asiamedia.ucla.edu/article-southasia.asp?parentid=94421</a> [ucla.edu]</htmltext>
<tokenext>This happened in Pakistan , where a Chinese manufacturer used the same IMEI number on thousands of cell phones of a particularly cheap model ( The model was cloned from a Nokia phone and cloned its IMEI # as well ) .
One day in July 2008 , one customer had his cellphone stolen and reported it to Pakistan Telcom Authority , who promptly banned that device using its IMEI number .
Result : Mayhem for other owners who owned the same model of phone , as they were all banned at the same time .
There were unhappy customers storming dozens of mobile phone stores and sales of Chinese-made phones came to a complete stop for a few days .
An archive of the mayhem that ensued is still saved here : http : //www.asiamedia.ucla.edu/article-southasia.asp ? parentid = 94421 [ ucla.edu ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This happened in Pakistan, where a Chinese manufacturer used the same IMEI number on thousands of cell phones of a particularly cheap model (The model was cloned from a Nokia phone and cloned its IMEI # as well).
One day in July 2008, one customer had his cellphone stolen and reported it to Pakistan Telcom Authority, who promptly banned that device using its IMEI number.
Result: Mayhem for other owners who owned the same model of phone, as they were all banned at the same time.
There were unhappy customers storming dozens of mobile phone stores and sales of Chinese-made phones came to a complete stop for a few days.
An archive of the mayhem that ensued is still saved here: http://www.asiamedia.ucla.edu/article-southasia.asp?parentid=94421 [ucla.edu]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30277034</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30277878</id>
	<title>This just in....</title>
	<author>ghostdoc</author>
	<datestamp>1259589360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The state of Gelder, in a move to combat terrorism, has banned shoes.</p><p>A spokesman for the government said 'We know from two recent terrorist attacks that the terrorists used shoes to transport themselves between attack targets. Consequently we are removing this method of transport from the terrorist's arsenal'.</p><p>In a separate statement, ministers said they were considering the effectiveness of a ban on long trousers used by terrorists to conceal their knees.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The state of Gelder , in a move to combat terrorism , has banned shoes.A spokesman for the government said 'We know from two recent terrorist attacks that the terrorists used shoes to transport themselves between attack targets .
Consequently we are removing this method of transport from the terrorist 's arsenal'.In a separate statement , ministers said they were considering the effectiveness of a ban on long trousers used by terrorists to conceal their knees .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The state of Gelder, in a move to combat terrorism, has banned shoes.A spokesman for the government said 'We know from two recent terrorist attacks that the terrorists used shoes to transport themselves between attack targets.
Consequently we are removing this method of transport from the terrorist's arsenal'.In a separate statement, ministers said they were considering the effectiveness of a ban on long trousers used by terrorists to conceal their knees.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30277030</id>
	<title>Nobody else posting today?</title>
	<author>Beardo the Bearded</author>
	<datestamp>1259584560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Am I the only one here with a valid IMEI number, or is<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. broken again?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Am I the only one here with a valid IMEI number , or is / .
broken again ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Am I the only one here with a valid IMEI number, or is /.
broken again?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30277356</id>
	<title>Canada is doing its part</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259586120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The cellphone fees are so high in Canada that nobody would ever use them for anything, including terrorism.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The cellphone fees are so high in Canada that nobody would ever use them for anything , including terrorism .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The cellphone fees are so high in Canada that nobody would ever use them for anything, including terrorism.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30277692</id>
	<title>Emergency services?</title>
	<author>Al Al Cool J</author>
	<datestamp>1259588160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Will these 25 million people still be able to use the blocked cels to call emergency services?  If not, then I wonder how many people will die or suffer injury as a result.  I'd have to think it will be more than will be saved by inconveniencing terrorists.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Will these 25 million people still be able to use the blocked cels to call emergency services ?
If not , then I wonder how many people will die or suffer injury as a result .
I 'd have to think it will be more than will be saved by inconveniencing terrorists .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will these 25 million people still be able to use the blocked cels to call emergency services?
If not, then I wonder how many people will die or suffer injury as a result.
I'd have to think it will be more than will be saved by inconveniencing terrorists.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30281338</id>
	<title>Re:Cloned phones</title>
	<author>Yvanhoe</author>
	<datestamp>1259668320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well instead of being one anonymous user amongst 25 millions, that makes you one user amongst 2 cell phones which have the same number. I think this makes being anonymous a tad bit harder.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well instead of being one anonymous user amongst 25 millions , that makes you one user amongst 2 cell phones which have the same number .
I think this makes being anonymous a tad bit harder .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well instead of being one anonymous user amongst 25 millions, that makes you one user amongst 2 cell phones which have the same number.
I think this makes being anonymous a tad bit harder.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30276760</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30277024</id>
	<title>Next</title>
	<author>MichaelSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1259584500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>MAC addresses for wifi radios on laptops and phones.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>MAC addresses for wifi radios on laptops and phones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MAC addresses for wifi radios on laptops and phones.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30277404</id>
	<title>Re:Ban speech</title>
	<author>Nefarious Wheel</author>
	<datestamp>1259586420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"></div><p>Good sarcasm, Ohnoitsavram.  But you've pegged it - the big ugly monster rearing its head here is the fact that governments do not, as a rule, treat truly free speech as necessarily being in their own best interests.  Governments have been fighting with their governed populace over this bone for many, many years.  Anytime some new way to communicate pops up, the battle starts up again.</p><p>Mind you, it can be a very real threat to an established government, and governments have fallen from it.  Think "Samizdat".  </p><p>It's also harder to govern when your message to the public is diluted by discussion before it's embedded in the public consciousness, and I'm sure this concept is not lost on those who walk the halls of power.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Good sarcasm , Ohnoitsavram .
But you 've pegged it - the big ugly monster rearing its head here is the fact that governments do not , as a rule , treat truly free speech as necessarily being in their own best interests .
Governments have been fighting with their governed populace over this bone for many , many years .
Anytime some new way to communicate pops up , the battle starts up again.Mind you , it can be a very real threat to an established government , and governments have fallen from it .
Think " Samizdat " .
It 's also harder to govern when your message to the public is diluted by discussion before it 's embedded in the public consciousness , and I 'm sure this concept is not lost on those who walk the halls of power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good sarcasm, Ohnoitsavram.
But you've pegged it - the big ugly monster rearing its head here is the fact that governments do not, as a rule, treat truly free speech as necessarily being in their own best interests.
Governments have been fighting with their governed populace over this bone for many, many years.
Anytime some new way to communicate pops up, the battle starts up again.Mind you, it can be a very real threat to an established government, and governments have fallen from it.
Think "Samizdat".
It's also harder to govern when your message to the public is diluted by discussion before it's embedded in the public consciousness, and I'm sure this concept is not lost on those who walk the halls of power.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30277270</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30276880</id>
	<title>Yeah, great idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259583840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>IMEIs are not used at all in the call routing process, and are, ultimately, pretty easy to forge convincingly.  Granted, this will stop everybody whose handsets have totally bogus IMEIs, but as long as the first 8 digits (type allocation code) and check digit are correct, then there's very little India can do without impacting legitimate customers.</p><p>GREAT idea.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>IMEIs are not used at all in the call routing process , and are , ultimately , pretty easy to forge convincingly .
Granted , this will stop everybody whose handsets have totally bogus IMEIs , but as long as the first 8 digits ( type allocation code ) and check digit are correct , then there 's very little India can do without impacting legitimate customers.GREAT idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IMEIs are not used at all in the call routing process, and are, ultimately, pretty easy to forge convincingly.
Granted, this will stop everybody whose handsets have totally bogus IMEIs, but as long as the first 8 digits (type allocation code) and check digit are correct, then there's very little India can do without impacting legitimate customers.GREAT idea.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30277516</id>
	<title>At least in the UK...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259586960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>there are IMEI blacklists.  If your phone is stolen in the UK you can (theoretically) put it on a blacklist so that it will not work on any of the networks here.  Good luck with that level of cooperation in the USA by the way.<p>
Guess all the stolen UK phones end up in India.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>there are IMEI blacklists .
If your phone is stolen in the UK you can ( theoretically ) put it on a blacklist so that it will not work on any of the networks here .
Good luck with that level of cooperation in the USA by the way .
Guess all the stolen UK phones end up in India .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>there are IMEI blacklists.
If your phone is stolen in the UK you can (theoretically) put it on a blacklist so that it will not work on any of the networks here.
Good luck with that level of cooperation in the USA by the way.
Guess all the stolen UK phones end up in India.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30277912</id>
	<title>Re:Yet another excuse</title>
	<author>TheVelvetFlamebait</author>
	<datestamp>1259589480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To clamp down on Slashdotters' right to speech. (And I don't care if it's not written in stone for the moderators, it's a basic human right as far as I'm concerned. The 'trolls' will just get around this road block too, they always do, and the moderators know this.</p><p>Basically, mod parent up, even though he conflated privacy with cell phones (the excuse, get it?).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To clamp down on Slashdotters ' right to speech .
( And I do n't care if it 's not written in stone for the moderators , it 's a basic human right as far as I 'm concerned .
The 'trolls ' will just get around this road block too , they always do , and the moderators know this.Basically , mod parent up , even though he conflated privacy with cell phones ( the excuse , get it ?
) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To clamp down on Slashdotters' right to speech.
(And I don't care if it's not written in stone for the moderators, it's a basic human right as far as I'm concerned.
The 'trolls' will just get around this road block too, they always do, and the moderators know this.Basically, mod parent up, even though he conflated privacy with cell phones (the excuse, get it?
).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30278868</id>
	<title>Re:At least in the UK...</title>
	<author>Vegeta99</author>
	<datestamp>1259597940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, FUCK AT&amp;T. I had a Tilt (HTC TyTn II) stolen from me. They would deactivate the SIM, but not the phone itself. Then, they could tell me that my phone was on the network but not where. Thanks for making such a big market for stolen phones, assbags.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , FUCK AT&amp;T .
I had a Tilt ( HTC TyTn II ) stolen from me .
They would deactivate the SIM , but not the phone itself .
Then , they could tell me that my phone was on the network but not where .
Thanks for making such a big market for stolen phones , assbags .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, FUCK AT&amp;T.
I had a Tilt (HTC TyTn II) stolen from me.
They would deactivate the SIM, but not the phone itself.
Then, they could tell me that my phone was on the network but not where.
Thanks for making such a big market for stolen phones, assbags.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30277516</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30279120</id>
	<title>Re:WHATS WRONG WITH THIS?</title>
	<author>rachitraj</author>
	<datestamp>1259600280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I went through all the posts here and hav no clue how u all made this out frm the biased story. The reporter has mentioned "national security" in double quotes. If a western country had done this then i am sure the news article would have been written differently. Just another instance of double standards. I don't think we should discuss this here and waste our time on it. I don't care for a newspaper site which doesn't even allow me to comment on the story online.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I went through all the posts here and hav no clue how u all made this out frm the biased story .
The reporter has mentioned " national security " in double quotes .
If a western country had done this then i am sure the news article would have been written differently .
Just another instance of double standards .
I do n't think we should discuss this here and waste our time on it .
I do n't care for a newspaper site which does n't even allow me to comment on the story online .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I went through all the posts here and hav no clue how u all made this out frm the biased story.
The reporter has mentioned "national security" in double quotes.
If a western country had done this then i am sure the news article would have been written differently.
Just another instance of double standards.
I don't think we should discuss this here and waste our time on it.
I don't care for a newspaper site which doesn't even allow me to comment on the story online.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30282572</id>
	<title>Re:So here's the deal..</title>
	<author>Vaibhav\_Locke</author>
	<datestamp>1259679720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Let me also add here, the news is reporting that mobile carriers are going to offer a service to people with these phones to install a new IMEI number on their phone. No details were given (on what i saw) about how this would be done or who is offering this but they mentioned it would cost Rs 200 (~$5), so i don't see this as being a huge deal. Also it was only a couple of months ago that a ban was placed on all pre-paid mobile SIMs in the state of Kashmir since these were being used by many cross-border terrorists, the ban being imposed after repeated requests by the government to the carriers to strengthen the identification process (mentioned by Rexdude above). The carriers could have solved both these problems themselves without the centre having to step in but they did not because it would have cost them customers.

We contend with laws every day that may limit our freedom of choice in small ways but make our society a safer place to live. Frankly i don't care that i can no longer buy a cheap Chinese knock-off phone when nokia sells handsets as cheap as Rs 1200 ($30). There's larger issues to worry about for all of us</htmltext>
<tokenext>Let me also add here , the news is reporting that mobile carriers are going to offer a service to people with these phones to install a new IMEI number on their phone .
No details were given ( on what i saw ) about how this would be done or who is offering this but they mentioned it would cost Rs 200 ( ~ $ 5 ) , so i do n't see this as being a huge deal .
Also it was only a couple of months ago that a ban was placed on all pre-paid mobile SIMs in the state of Kashmir since these were being used by many cross-border terrorists , the ban being imposed after repeated requests by the government to the carriers to strengthen the identification process ( mentioned by Rexdude above ) .
The carriers could have solved both these problems themselves without the centre having to step in but they did not because it would have cost them customers .
We contend with laws every day that may limit our freedom of choice in small ways but make our society a safer place to live .
Frankly i do n't care that i can no longer buy a cheap Chinese knock-off phone when nokia sells handsets as cheap as Rs 1200 ( $ 30 ) .
There 's larger issues to worry about for all of us</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let me also add here, the news is reporting that mobile carriers are going to offer a service to people with these phones to install a new IMEI number on their phone.
No details were given (on what i saw) about how this would be done or who is offering this but they mentioned it would cost Rs 200 (~$5), so i don't see this as being a huge deal.
Also it was only a couple of months ago that a ban was placed on all pre-paid mobile SIMs in the state of Kashmir since these were being used by many cross-border terrorists, the ban being imposed after repeated requests by the government to the carriers to strengthen the identification process (mentioned by Rexdude above).
The carriers could have solved both these problems themselves without the centre having to step in but they did not because it would have cost them customers.
We contend with laws every day that may limit our freedom of choice in small ways but make our society a safer place to live.
Frankly i don't care that i can no longer buy a cheap Chinese knock-off phone when nokia sells handsets as cheap as Rs 1200 ($30).
There's larger issues to worry about for all of us</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30281748</id>
	<title>Re:Sat Phones</title>
	<author>ickleberry</author>
	<datestamp>1259672880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They actually did use satellite phones. <a href="http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=5748" title="debka.com">http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=5748</a> [debka.com] <br> <br>

Sigh, another case of the authorities grabbing more power and trying to make sure every packet on the internet has a traceable owner</htmltext>
<tokenext>They actually did use satellite phones .
http : //www.debka.com/headline.php ? hid = 5748 [ debka.com ] Sigh , another case of the authorities grabbing more power and trying to make sure every packet on the internet has a traceable owner</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They actually did use satellite phones.
http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=5748 [debka.com]  

Sigh, another case of the authorities grabbing more power and trying to make sure every packet on the internet has a traceable owner</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30278646</id>
	<title>Great</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259596200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except that the Mumbai attackers kept in contact with Nokia phones.. Not cloned or invalid phones.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except that the Mumbai attackers kept in contact with Nokia phones.. Not cloned or invalid phones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except that the Mumbai attackers kept in contact with Nokia phones.. Not cloned or invalid phones.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30278032</id>
	<title>Re:Yet another excuse</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259590560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your "right" is the right of a fat and happy citizen of a Western country to pompously pronounce on the "rights" of citizens in countries with completely foreign cultures--in completely different social and political environments.</p><p>Your universal statements regarding the basic right to an anonymous cell phone carries no persuasive force WHATSOEVER unless you accompany those statements with reasoning that applies them to the Indian social and political context.  Otherwise, you're just another well-meaning ignorant cultural imperialist.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your " right " is the right of a fat and happy citizen of a Western country to pompously pronounce on the " rights " of citizens in countries with completely foreign cultures--in completely different social and political environments.Your universal statements regarding the basic right to an anonymous cell phone carries no persuasive force WHATSOEVER unless you accompany those statements with reasoning that applies them to the Indian social and political context .
Otherwise , you 're just another well-meaning ignorant cultural imperialist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your "right" is the right of a fat and happy citizen of a Western country to pompously pronounce on the "rights" of citizens in countries with completely foreign cultures--in completely different social and political environments.Your universal statements regarding the basic right to an anonymous cell phone carries no persuasive force WHATSOEVER unless you accompany those statements with reasoning that applies them to the Indian social and political context.
Otherwise, you're just another well-meaning ignorant cultural imperialist.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30277276</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30280150</id>
	<title>Re:Same in Mexico</title>
	<author>Enigmafan</author>
	<datestamp>1259698140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Again, in a country where politicians are regarded as little more than a group of high level thieves</p></div><p>Just like any other country in the world...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Again , in a country where politicians are regarded as little more than a group of high level thievesJust like any other country in the world.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Again, in a country where politicians are regarded as little more than a group of high level thievesJust like any other country in the world...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30277198</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30277700</id>
	<title>"get a 15-digit IMEI number implanted"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259588220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can understand shutting off a phone, but isn't implanting a chip on an untouchable little extreme?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can understand shutting off a phone , but is n't implanting a chip on an untouchable little extreme ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can understand shutting off a phone, but isn't implanting a chip on an untouchable little extreme?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30276790</id>
	<title>Sat Phones</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259583480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So they will just rent satellite phones for like $10 a day under a false name and stolen CC.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So they will just rent satellite phones for like $ 10 a day under a false name and stolen CC .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So they will just rent satellite phones for like $10 a day under a false name and stolen CC.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30277864</id>
	<title>Landfill</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259589240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>How much landfill will 25 million phones take up?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How much landfill will 25 million phones take up ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How much landfill will 25 million phones take up?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30277270</id>
	<title>Ban speech</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259585640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Geez if the idea is to fight terrorism and fraud by raising the costs of distance communication why not just raise the costs of communication altogether and outlaw people talking to each other in general.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Geez if the idea is to fight terrorism and fraud by raising the costs of distance communication why not just raise the costs of communication altogether and outlaw people talking to each other in general .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Geez if the idea is to fight terrorism and fraud by raising the costs of distance communication why not just raise the costs of communication altogether and outlaw people talking to each other in general.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30279282</id>
	<title>So here's the deal..</title>
	<author>Rexdude</author>
	<datestamp>1259601960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since I live here, I can shed some more light on what's actually going on:<br>1) Knock off Chinese handsets sell at ridiculously low prices compared to the original phones (yet some have pretty innovative features). For eg, I saw a knockoff of the Nokia N73 about a year ago with TV out and support for dual SIM cards. It ran some Chinese imitation of S60, and had all the usual features- camera, bluetooth, infrared, wifi, and cost about 6000 Rs. (about $130), compared to an original Nokia N73 that cost about 12-13k Rs. at the same time. Quality-wise these phones are quite dubious, they can fail at anytime and/or ship with exploding batteries. They're usually popular among the poorer sections of society (mobile phone penetration is VERY high in India- you will find people living in slums in Bombay/Delhi who don't have proper sanitation, but still have a mobile phone of some sort).</p><p>2) As others have mentioned- our mobile market is much freer than the US- operators don't have any say in what phone you use, call rates are the lowest in the world, incoming calls/SMS are free by law.  Switching service  providers is a breeze, just get a fresh connection and pop in the SIM you want.<br>We also have prepaid SIM cards- so if you're visiting here, you can just buy one for about Rs. 300 ($6) and use it, and pay as you go. These have also been used by terrorists in the past- so now you have to show proof of ID and fill out a form before getting one. (Foreign tourists would have to show their passports).</p><p>3) Counterfeit IMEIs are a royal concern for legitimate customers- if an IMEI is blocked it also blocks legitimate users. Also, if your IMEI is being used by a terrorist, it puts you under unnecessary suspicion and subject to inquiry as well.</p><p>4) The concept of privacy is alien to a large part of the population. Part of it is cultural, growing up in joint families, living in crowded tenements, and the general gregariousness with which 2 perfect strangers will end up discussing family matters during a long journey.<br>We don't have anything as influential as the EFF in the US, and no one among the educated middle class raised any concerns over the current <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multipurpose\_National\_Identity\_Card" title="wikipedia.org">National ID card</a> [wikipedia.org] being proposed. Many in fact have welcomed it, thinking it will help secure the country against terrorism. This is far more insidious and has more potential for abuse than enforcing use of an IMEI.</p><p>and finally, the old proverb- 'Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupidity' is quite valid for the Indian govt.</p><p>Given the above, especially #2 and 3, it's a fairly sensible move to block counterfeit IMEIs and phones that lack them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since I live here , I can shed some more light on what 's actually going on : 1 ) Knock off Chinese handsets sell at ridiculously low prices compared to the original phones ( yet some have pretty innovative features ) .
For eg , I saw a knockoff of the Nokia N73 about a year ago with TV out and support for dual SIM cards .
It ran some Chinese imitation of S60 , and had all the usual features- camera , bluetooth , infrared , wifi , and cost about 6000 Rs .
( about $ 130 ) , compared to an original Nokia N73 that cost about 12-13k Rs .
at the same time .
Quality-wise these phones are quite dubious , they can fail at anytime and/or ship with exploding batteries .
They 're usually popular among the poorer sections of society ( mobile phone penetration is VERY high in India- you will find people living in slums in Bombay/Delhi who do n't have proper sanitation , but still have a mobile phone of some sort ) .2 ) As others have mentioned- our mobile market is much freer than the US- operators do n't have any say in what phone you use , call rates are the lowest in the world , incoming calls/SMS are free by law .
Switching service providers is a breeze , just get a fresh connection and pop in the SIM you want.We also have prepaid SIM cards- so if you 're visiting here , you can just buy one for about Rs .
300 ( $ 6 ) and use it , and pay as you go .
These have also been used by terrorists in the past- so now you have to show proof of ID and fill out a form before getting one .
( Foreign tourists would have to show their passports ) .3 ) Counterfeit IMEIs are a royal concern for legitimate customers- if an IMEI is blocked it also blocks legitimate users .
Also , if your IMEI is being used by a terrorist , it puts you under unnecessary suspicion and subject to inquiry as well.4 ) The concept of privacy is alien to a large part of the population .
Part of it is cultural , growing up in joint families , living in crowded tenements , and the general gregariousness with which 2 perfect strangers will end up discussing family matters during a long journey.We do n't have anything as influential as the EFF in the US , and no one among the educated middle class raised any concerns over the current National ID card [ wikipedia.org ] being proposed .
Many in fact have welcomed it , thinking it will help secure the country against terrorism .
This is far more insidious and has more potential for abuse than enforcing use of an IMEI.and finally , the old proverb- 'Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupidity ' is quite valid for the Indian govt.Given the above , especially # 2 and 3 , it 's a fairly sensible move to block counterfeit IMEIs and phones that lack them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since I live here, I can shed some more light on what's actually going on:1) Knock off Chinese handsets sell at ridiculously low prices compared to the original phones (yet some have pretty innovative features).
For eg, I saw a knockoff of the Nokia N73 about a year ago with TV out and support for dual SIM cards.
It ran some Chinese imitation of S60, and had all the usual features- camera, bluetooth, infrared, wifi, and cost about 6000 Rs.
(about $130), compared to an original Nokia N73 that cost about 12-13k Rs.
at the same time.
Quality-wise these phones are quite dubious, they can fail at anytime and/or ship with exploding batteries.
They're usually popular among the poorer sections of society (mobile phone penetration is VERY high in India- you will find people living in slums in Bombay/Delhi who don't have proper sanitation, but still have a mobile phone of some sort).2) As others have mentioned- our mobile market is much freer than the US- operators don't have any say in what phone you use, call rates are the lowest in the world, incoming calls/SMS are free by law.
Switching service  providers is a breeze, just get a fresh connection and pop in the SIM you want.We also have prepaid SIM cards- so if you're visiting here, you can just buy one for about Rs.
300 ($6) and use it, and pay as you go.
These have also been used by terrorists in the past- so now you have to show proof of ID and fill out a form before getting one.
(Foreign tourists would have to show their passports).3) Counterfeit IMEIs are a royal concern for legitimate customers- if an IMEI is blocked it also blocks legitimate users.
Also, if your IMEI is being used by a terrorist, it puts you under unnecessary suspicion and subject to inquiry as well.4) The concept of privacy is alien to a large part of the population.
Part of it is cultural, growing up in joint families, living in crowded tenements, and the general gregariousness with which 2 perfect strangers will end up discussing family matters during a long journey.We don't have anything as influential as the EFF in the US, and no one among the educated middle class raised any concerns over the current National ID card [wikipedia.org] being proposed.
Many in fact have welcomed it, thinking it will help secure the country against terrorism.
This is far more insidious and has more potential for abuse than enforcing use of an IMEI.and finally, the old proverb- 'Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupidity' is quite valid for the Indian govt.Given the above, especially #2 and 3, it's a fairly sensible move to block counterfeit IMEIs and phones that lack them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30277198</id>
	<title>Same in Mexico</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259585340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We have until April 10th 2010 to register all our cellphones with the CURP (something like your SS number) of the person using it, even if a company cel. <a href="http://www.renaut.gob.mx/RENAUT/?page=preguntas" title="renaut.gob.mx" rel="nofollow">http://www.renaut.gob.mx/RENAUT/?page=preguntas</a> [renaut.gob.mx]. Cel numbers not registered by that date will be blocked.

</p><p>In a country where bank customer databases have been sold to the organized crime to pick kidnap victims, many times with participation of corrupt government or police officers, where we train our kids and families to never answer the phone with a family name for fear of being monitored by criminals this is giving everybody the creeps. Also next year, in a multimillon dollar deal, a company will be picked to create a national identification card with biometric data like retinal scans.

</p><p>Again, in a country where politicians are regarded as little more than a group of high level thieves this is raising lots of eyebrows.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We have until April 10th 2010 to register all our cellphones with the CURP ( something like your SS number ) of the person using it , even if a company cel .
http : //www.renaut.gob.mx/RENAUT/ ? page = preguntas [ renaut.gob.mx ] .
Cel numbers not registered by that date will be blocked .
In a country where bank customer databases have been sold to the organized crime to pick kidnap victims , many times with participation of corrupt government or police officers , where we train our kids and families to never answer the phone with a family name for fear of being monitored by criminals this is giving everybody the creeps .
Also next year , in a multimillon dollar deal , a company will be picked to create a national identification card with biometric data like retinal scans .
Again , in a country where politicians are regarded as little more than a group of high level thieves this is raising lots of eyebrows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have until April 10th 2010 to register all our cellphones with the CURP (something like your SS number) of the person using it, even if a company cel.
http://www.renaut.gob.mx/RENAUT/?page=preguntas [renaut.gob.mx].
Cel numbers not registered by that date will be blocked.
In a country where bank customer databases have been sold to the organized crime to pick kidnap victims, many times with participation of corrupt government or police officers, where we train our kids and families to never answer the phone with a family name for fear of being monitored by criminals this is giving everybody the creeps.
Also next year, in a multimillon dollar deal, a company will be picked to create a national identification card with biometric data like retinal scans.
Again, in a country where politicians are regarded as little more than a group of high level thieves this is raising lots of eyebrows.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30283278</id>
	<title>Re:Sat Phones</title>
	<author>The Second Horseman</author>
	<datestamp>1259683260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Terrorists don't always like sat phones. Makes it easier for the NSA, and they may have been used in the past to actually target attacks on people using them.</p><p>Cellphones in a densely-populated area make more sense. It's easier to hide in the noise.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Terrorists do n't always like sat phones .
Makes it easier for the NSA , and they may have been used in the past to actually target attacks on people using them.Cellphones in a densely-populated area make more sense .
It 's easier to hide in the noise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Terrorists don't always like sat phones.
Makes it easier for the NSA, and they may have been used in the past to actually target attacks on people using them.Cellphones in a densely-populated area make more sense.
It's easier to hide in the noise.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30276790</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30277106</id>
	<title>short-term fix</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259584860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Eventually, phones are just going to be another IP client.  The cell phone networks are obviously well-adapted to the application, but it's not like it's the only way to do things.  Wifi is as good, especially for illicit applications where a little quality loss, latency, etc is ok.  What'r you gonna do, outlaw radios? End internet anonymity?</p><p>The non-illicit utility for networking, far exceeds the negative sum of all terrorism and warfare in the history of mankind.  That genie just ain't going back into the bottle, even with the help of terrorists.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Eventually , phones are just going to be another IP client .
The cell phone networks are obviously well-adapted to the application , but it 's not like it 's the only way to do things .
Wifi is as good , especially for illicit applications where a little quality loss , latency , etc is ok. What'r you gon na do , outlaw radios ?
End internet anonymity ? The non-illicit utility for networking , far exceeds the negative sum of all terrorism and warfare in the history of mankind .
That genie just ai n't going back into the bottle , even with the help of terrorists .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Eventually, phones are just going to be another IP client.
The cell phone networks are obviously well-adapted to the application, but it's not like it's the only way to do things.
Wifi is as good, especially for illicit applications where a little quality loss, latency, etc is ok.  What'r you gonna do, outlaw radios?
End internet anonymity?The non-illicit utility for networking, far exceeds the negative sum of all terrorism and warfare in the history of mankind.
That genie just ain't going back into the bottle, even with the help of terrorists.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30280662</id>
	<title>Re:Cloned phones</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259661300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lol, or steal one and just that. It's trivial really. wtf.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lol , or steal one and just that .
It 's trivial really .
wtf .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lol, or steal one and just that.
It's trivial really.
wtf.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30276760</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30276760</id>
	<title>Cloned phones</title>
	<author>Nidi62</author>
	<datestamp>1259583360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>So, does this just mean that if you want to have an untrackable phone in India, instead of buying a phone without a plan you can just go out and buy a cloned phone instead?  I mean, seems to me the only thing better than not being tracked by the government for a criminal/terrorist is to have the government waste time tracking some poor innocent schlub they think is you.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So , does this just mean that if you want to have an untrackable phone in India , instead of buying a phone without a plan you can just go out and buy a cloned phone instead ?
I mean , seems to me the only thing better than not being tracked by the government for a criminal/terrorist is to have the government waste time tracking some poor innocent schlub they think is you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, does this just mean that if you want to have an untrackable phone in India, instead of buying a phone without a plan you can just go out and buy a cloned phone instead?
I mean, seems to me the only thing better than not being tracked by the government for a criminal/terrorist is to have the government waste time tracking some poor innocent schlub they think is you.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30281614</id>
	<title>Re:Yet another excuse</title>
	<author>ultranova</author>
	<datestamp>1259671620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Your "right" is the right of a fat and happy citizen of a Western country to pompously pronounce on the "rights" of citizens in countries with completely foreign cultures--in completely different social and political environments.</p></div> </blockquote><p>Human rights are called such because they don't depend on the cultural context, they merely depend on the recipient being a human being. Are you arguing that Indians are subhumans incapable of dealing with free speech?</p><blockquote><div><p>Your universal statements regarding the basic right to an anonymous cell phone carries no persuasive force WHATSOEVER unless you accompany those statements with reasoning that applies them to the Indian social and political context. Otherwise, you're just another well-meaning ignorant cultural imperialist.</p></div> </blockquote><p>The only socio-political context where lack of free speech can be justified is one where it's okay for the elite to dominate over the rest. However, that context also justifies cultural imperialism. So, either the Indian government is wrong, or us Westerners protesting their actions are right.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your " right " is the right of a fat and happy citizen of a Western country to pompously pronounce on the " rights " of citizens in countries with completely foreign cultures--in completely different social and political environments .
Human rights are called such because they do n't depend on the cultural context , they merely depend on the recipient being a human being .
Are you arguing that Indians are subhumans incapable of dealing with free speech ? Your universal statements regarding the basic right to an anonymous cell phone carries no persuasive force WHATSOEVER unless you accompany those statements with reasoning that applies them to the Indian social and political context .
Otherwise , you 're just another well-meaning ignorant cultural imperialist .
The only socio-political context where lack of free speech can be justified is one where it 's okay for the elite to dominate over the rest .
However , that context also justifies cultural imperialism .
So , either the Indian government is wrong , or us Westerners protesting their actions are right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your "right" is the right of a fat and happy citizen of a Western country to pompously pronounce on the "rights" of citizens in countries with completely foreign cultures--in completely different social and political environments.
Human rights are called such because they don't depend on the cultural context, they merely depend on the recipient being a human being.
Are you arguing that Indians are subhumans incapable of dealing with free speech?Your universal statements regarding the basic right to an anonymous cell phone carries no persuasive force WHATSOEVER unless you accompany those statements with reasoning that applies them to the Indian social and political context.
Otherwise, you're just another well-meaning ignorant cultural imperialist.
The only socio-political context where lack of free speech can be justified is one where it's okay for the elite to dominate over the rest.
However, that context also justifies cultural imperialism.
So, either the Indian government is wrong, or us Westerners protesting their actions are right.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30278032</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30282302</id>
	<title>Re:At least in the UK...</title>
	<author>Cimexus</author>
	<datestamp>1259678220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ditto here in Australia. There's a very good reason why your phone company knows your IMEI. If your phone gets stolen, call em up and tell them. Within 24h, that phone is unusable on ANY network in Australia, and you avoid the thieves racking up an enormous bill on your stolen phone.</p><p>This obviously makes stealing phones considerably less attractive, since the potential thief knows that the phone they have stolen will very quickly only be usable overseas.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ditto here in Australia .
There 's a very good reason why your phone company knows your IMEI .
If your phone gets stolen , call em up and tell them .
Within 24h , that phone is unusable on ANY network in Australia , and you avoid the thieves racking up an enormous bill on your stolen phone.This obviously makes stealing phones considerably less attractive , since the potential thief knows that the phone they have stolen will very quickly only be usable overseas .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ditto here in Australia.
There's a very good reason why your phone company knows your IMEI.
If your phone gets stolen, call em up and tell them.
Within 24h, that phone is unusable on ANY network in Australia, and you avoid the thieves racking up an enormous bill on your stolen phone.This obviously makes stealing phones considerably less attractive, since the potential thief knows that the phone they have stolen will very quickly only be usable overseas.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30277516</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30282910</id>
	<title>Anti-dumping?</title>
	<author>Shome</author>
	<datestamp>1259681760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Are we missing the point here?

Is this India's way of imposing anti-dumping duty on illegally imported chinese handsets and making it difficult for people to buy them?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are we missing the point here ?
Is this India 's way of imposing anti-dumping duty on illegally imported chinese handsets and making it difficult for people to buy them ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are we missing the point here?
Is this India's way of imposing anti-dumping duty on illegally imported chinese handsets and making it difficult for people to buy them?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30282316</id>
	<title>Re:Emergency services?</title>
	<author>Cimexus</author>
	<datestamp>1259678280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I strongly suspect that you will still be able to called emergency services on these blocked phones. Calling 112 from a GSM phone anywhere on earth will connect you to the local emergency number. Even if the phone is PIN-locked. Even if the phone ~~doesn't even have a SIM card in it~~!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I strongly suspect that you will still be able to called emergency services on these blocked phones .
Calling 112 from a GSM phone anywhere on earth will connect you to the local emergency number .
Even if the phone is PIN-locked .
Even if the phone ~ ~ does n't even have a SIM card in it ~ ~ !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I strongly suspect that you will still be able to called emergency services on these blocked phones.
Calling 112 from a GSM phone anywhere on earth will connect you to the local emergency number.
Even if the phone is PIN-locked.
Even if the phone ~~doesn't even have a SIM card in it~~!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30277692</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30278694</id>
	<title>WHATS WRONG WITH THIS?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259596620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This kind of news coverage and slant pisses me off. It is written as if this somehow infringes on your rights. The mobiles being banned are ones with FAKE IMIEs developed by unknown chinese companies that steel an IMIE and use it on thousands of phones. In US too you cannot get phones with fake IMIEs. In fact the telecom sector is a lot more restrictive than in India. In India, the handset is not tied to a particular carrier (there are exceptions, but they are not widespread like in the US). Even the IPhone here can be used with any carrier.<br>The comments on slashdot seemed to suggest that the govt is doing something sinister and wrong and blah blah blah. All they are doing is enforcing a law that is the law in almost all countries including the US.<br>This place is becoming more and more like fox news with its biased coverage and the way the news is peppered with lot of "seems" and "looks like" and "quotes" and "in the name of" generally giving the reader that is is something wrong that is done.<br>And the cowboy commentator love to shoot off and let the world know their opinions without even knowing the facts or anything about the issue or even before RTFA</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This kind of news coverage and slant pisses me off .
It is written as if this somehow infringes on your rights .
The mobiles being banned are ones with FAKE IMIEs developed by unknown chinese companies that steel an IMIE and use it on thousands of phones .
In US too you can not get phones with fake IMIEs .
In fact the telecom sector is a lot more restrictive than in India .
In India , the handset is not tied to a particular carrier ( there are exceptions , but they are not widespread like in the US ) .
Even the IPhone here can be used with any carrier.The comments on slashdot seemed to suggest that the govt is doing something sinister and wrong and blah blah blah .
All they are doing is enforcing a law that is the law in almost all countries including the US.This place is becoming more and more like fox news with its biased coverage and the way the news is peppered with lot of " seems " and " looks like " and " quotes " and " in the name of " generally giving the reader that is is something wrong that is done.And the cowboy commentator love to shoot off and let the world know their opinions without even knowing the facts or anything about the issue or even before RTFA</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This kind of news coverage and slant pisses me off.
It is written as if this somehow infringes on your rights.
The mobiles being banned are ones with FAKE IMIEs developed by unknown chinese companies that steel an IMIE and use it on thousands of phones.
In US too you cannot get phones with fake IMIEs.
In fact the telecom sector is a lot more restrictive than in India.
In India, the handset is not tied to a particular carrier (there are exceptions, but they are not widespread like in the US).
Even the IPhone here can be used with any carrier.The comments on slashdot seemed to suggest that the govt is doing something sinister and wrong and blah blah blah.
All they are doing is enforcing a law that is the law in almost all countries including the US.This place is becoming more and more like fox news with its biased coverage and the way the news is peppered with lot of "seems" and "looks like" and "quotes" and "in the name of" generally giving the reader that is is something wrong that is done.And the cowboy commentator love to shoot off and let the world know their opinions without even knowing the facts or anything about the issue or even before RTFA</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30276998</id>
	<title>Spoofing IMEIs</title>
	<author>Monkeedude1212</author>
	<datestamp>1259584380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's an App for that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's an App for that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's an App for that.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30276876</id>
	<title>RE: Sat Phones</title>
	<author>tommyatomic</author>
	<datestamp>1259583840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes but there is already infrastructure in place to combat CC fraud. Granted in India its not a good or reliable system but its a system none the less. And sat phones can be tracked whereas IMEI-less cell phones are not especially trackable.</p><p>Basically they are just forcing all their cellular networks to refuse connection to phones lacking IMEI numbers. This is hardly an international crisis. It just means that people are going to have to pay for their phone calls or pay to call in their bomb threats. No more free rides.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes but there is already infrastructure in place to combat CC fraud .
Granted in India its not a good or reliable system but its a system none the less .
And sat phones can be tracked whereas IMEI-less cell phones are not especially trackable.Basically they are just forcing all their cellular networks to refuse connection to phones lacking IMEI numbers .
This is hardly an international crisis .
It just means that people are going to have to pay for their phone calls or pay to call in their bomb threats .
No more free rides .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes but there is already infrastructure in place to combat CC fraud.
Granted in India its not a good or reliable system but its a system none the less.
And sat phones can be tracked whereas IMEI-less cell phones are not especially trackable.Basically they are just forcing all their cellular networks to refuse connection to phones lacking IMEI numbers.
This is hardly an international crisis.
It just means that people are going to have to pay for their phone calls or pay to call in their bomb threats.
No more free rides.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30281522</id>
	<title>If I get this correctly</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259670480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the conclusion is that it is not guns that kill people, it is cellphones.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the conclusion is that it is not guns that kill people , it is cellphones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the conclusion is that it is not guns that kill people, it is cellphones.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30277034</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah, great idea</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1259584560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>So, what you're saying is that this will stop the cheap phone manufactures from using an obviously bogus IMEI, and instead they will just put the same copy of a known good IMEI in every phone? Seriously, does this do anything at all to ensure that the IMEI is unique? 'Cause you know, having 100,000 customers with the same "non-bogus" IMEI isn't exactly traceable either.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So , what you 're saying is that this will stop the cheap phone manufactures from using an obviously bogus IMEI , and instead they will just put the same copy of a known good IMEI in every phone ?
Seriously , does this do anything at all to ensure that the IMEI is unique ?
'Cause you know , having 100,000 customers with the same " non-bogus " IMEI is n't exactly traceable either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, what you're saying is that this will stop the cheap phone manufactures from using an obviously bogus IMEI, and instead they will just put the same copy of a known good IMEI in every phone?
Seriously, does this do anything at all to ensure that the IMEI is unique?
'Cause you know, having 100,000 customers with the same "non-bogus" IMEI isn't exactly traceable either.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30276880</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30283564</id>
	<title>Re:Cloned phones</title>
	<author>fearlezz</author>
	<datestamp>1259684640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It will probably mean that before setting off bombs, 'terrorists' will first smash the head of an old, helpless person to get a phone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It will probably mean that before setting off bombs , 'terrorists ' will first smash the head of an old , helpless person to get a phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It will probably mean that before setting off bombs, 'terrorists' will first smash the head of an old, helpless person to get a phone.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30276760</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30279916</id>
	<title>Yet another fake news. Please don't believe it.</title>
	<author>BhaKi</author>
	<datestamp>1259608140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This news is similar in intent to the previous fake news:</p><p>http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=30DEC75D-1A64-67EA-E43462F642213B89</p><p>Just as in the case of previous news, I went through Indian media extensively and I couldn't find ANY THING like this.</p><p>People, I beg you to wake up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This news is similar in intent to the previous fake news : http : //news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm ? id = 30DEC75D-1A64-67EA-E43462F642213B89Just as in the case of previous news , I went through Indian media extensively and I could n't find ANY THING like this.People , I beg you to wake up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This news is similar in intent to the previous fake news:http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=30DEC75D-1A64-67EA-E43462F642213B89Just as in the case of previous news, I went through Indian media extensively and I couldn't find ANY THING like this.People, I beg you to wake up.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30280006</id>
	<title>Re:So here's the deal..</title>
	<author>five18pm</author>
	<datestamp>1259609580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Thanks for summing up the situation quite well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Thanks for summing up the situation quite well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thanks for summing up the situation quite well.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30279282</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30277028</id>
	<title>Whats wrong with turning them off first.</title>
	<author>NoNsense</author>
	<datestamp>1259584500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wouldn't it be a better idea to do the disconnection BEFORE letting everyone know what you are going to do?  C'mon people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would n't it be a better idea to do the disconnection BEFORE letting everyone know what you are going to do ?
C'mon people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wouldn't it be a better idea to do the disconnection BEFORE letting everyone know what you are going to do?
C'mon people.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30277762</id>
	<title>Re:Yet another excuse</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1259588640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> Yup, strike down every single law in all lands<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.</p></div><p>I agree, with the stipulation we are going to strike down the unreasonable laws that restrict our freedoms.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yup , strike down every single law in all lands .I agree , with the stipulation we are going to strike down the unreasonable laws that restrict our freedoms .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Yup, strike down every single law in all lands .I agree, with the stipulation we are going to strike down the unreasonable laws that restrict our freedoms.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30277466</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30277466</id>
	<title>Re:Yet another excuse</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259586660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>To clamp down on private citizens' right to privacy.  ( and i don't care if its not written in stone for them, its a basic human right as far as i'm concerned )</p><p>The 'criminals' will just get around this road block too, they always do, and the legislators know this.</p></div><p>huh ? a cellphone is a basic human right now ????</p><p>is there any law that cannot be gotten around ? Based on that logic , every single law is pointless and ineffective .  Yup, strike down every single law in all lands .</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>To clamp down on private citizens ' right to privacy .
( and i do n't care if its not written in stone for them , its a basic human right as far as i 'm concerned ) The 'criminals ' will just get around this road block too , they always do , and the legislators know this.huh ?
a cellphone is a basic human right now ? ? ?
? is there any law that can not be gotten around ?
Based on that logic , every single law is pointless and ineffective .
Yup , strike down every single law in all lands .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To clamp down on private citizens' right to privacy.
( and i don't care if its not written in stone for them, its a basic human right as far as i'm concerned )The 'criminals' will just get around this road block too, they always do, and the legislators know this.huh ?
a cellphone is a basic human right now ???
?is there any law that cannot be gotten around ?
Based on that logic , every single law is pointless and ineffective .
Yup, strike down every single law in all lands .
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30277276</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30280762</id>
	<title>Re:Yet another fake news. Please don't believe it.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259662140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You stupid moron, I never thought someone would be able to corrupt the old line of 'Wake up sheeple!' into something even stupider sounding. Goddamnit get off the internets.<br>And the news is real. They are messing with counterfeit/null number phones, that itself is not a big deal. You're a complete idiot if you don't know that it is real.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You stupid moron , I never thought someone would be able to corrupt the old line of 'Wake up sheeple !
' into something even stupider sounding .
Goddamnit get off the internets.And the news is real .
They are messing with counterfeit/null number phones , that itself is not a big deal .
You 're a complete idiot if you do n't know that it is real .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You stupid moron, I never thought someone would be able to corrupt the old line of 'Wake up sheeple!
' into something even stupider sounding.
Goddamnit get off the internets.And the news is real.
They are messing with counterfeit/null number phones, that itself is not a big deal.
You're a complete idiot if you don't know that it is real.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30279916</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30276950</id>
	<title>Re:Sat Phones</title>
	<author>mirix</author>
	<datestamp>1259584140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Do they make sat phones that don't look suspicious?<br> <br>
I always picture them as suitcase sized things only available in olive drab.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do they make sat phones that do n't look suspicious ?
I always picture them as suitcase sized things only available in olive drab .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do they make sat phones that don't look suspicious?
I always picture them as suitcase sized things only available in olive drab.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30276790</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30277308</id>
	<title>Re:Sat Phones</title>
	<author>zill</author>
	<datestamp>1259585880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>But in order to do that, they first need to buy a fake ID and steal a CC. This forces them to commit two extra acts of crime to meet their objective. These two extra crimes will result in more eye witnesses, more tracable cash flows, and higher chance of them getting caught by a security camera. The longer the trail they leave behind, the easier they are to trace.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But in order to do that , they first need to buy a fake ID and steal a CC .
This forces them to commit two extra acts of crime to meet their objective .
These two extra crimes will result in more eye witnesses , more tracable cash flows , and higher chance of them getting caught by a security camera .
The longer the trail they leave behind , the easier they are to trace .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But in order to do that, they first need to buy a fake ID and steal a CC.
This forces them to commit two extra acts of crime to meet their objective.
These two extra crimes will result in more eye witnesses, more tracable cash flows, and higher chance of them getting caught by a security camera.
The longer the trail they leave behind, the easier they are to trace.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30276790</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30281016</id>
	<title>This is very real</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259664600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is very real. The amount of counterfeit nokia and iphones in existence is staggering. Every "Dual SIM" phone in existence does not have a real IMEI.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is very real .
The amount of counterfeit nokia and iphones in existence is staggering .
Every " Dual SIM " phone in existence does not have a real IMEI .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is very real.
The amount of counterfeit nokia and iphones in existence is staggering.
Every "Dual SIM" phone in existence does not have a real IMEI.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30277276</id>
	<title>Yet another excuse</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1259585700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To clamp down on private citizens' right to privacy.  ( and i don't care if its not written in stone for them, its a basic human right as far as i'm concerned )</p><p>The 'criminals' will just get around this road block too, they always do, and the legislators know this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To clamp down on private citizens ' right to privacy .
( and i do n't care if its not written in stone for them , its a basic human right as far as i 'm concerned ) The 'criminals ' will just get around this road block too , they always do , and the legislators know this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To clamp down on private citizens' right to privacy.
( and i don't care if its not written in stone for them, its a basic human right as far as i'm concerned )The 'criminals' will just get around this road block too, they always do, and the legislators know this.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_2042245.30277826</id>
	<title>I call BullSH&amp;*T..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259589060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you have a gun you can take someone's phone. All you need is to memorize a few phone numbers for home base and to pick a rich tourist who looks like they have money to steal a phone from.</p><p>Some of the mumbai terrorists stole the hostage's phones and used them. Who's going to come after them for long distance overages in the afterlife when they've gunned down people already.</p><p>If you need a bunch of phones at once you can bribe someone in a cell stand or cell shop. In a nation of that many people it is tough to say there isn't many *someones* willing to make a deal if the price is right. You can just say you are a persecuted religious sect. Failing that you can use the barrel of a gun as a negotiating tactic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you have a gun you can take someone 's phone .
All you need is to memorize a few phone numbers for home base and to pick a rich tourist who looks like they have money to steal a phone from.Some of the mumbai terrorists stole the hostage 's phones and used them .
Who 's going to come after them for long distance overages in the afterlife when they 've gunned down people already.If you need a bunch of phones at once you can bribe someone in a cell stand or cell shop .
In a nation of that many people it is tough to say there is n't many * someones * willing to make a deal if the price is right .
You can just say you are a persecuted religious sect .
Failing that you can use the barrel of a gun as a negotiating tactic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you have a gun you can take someone's phone.
All you need is to memorize a few phone numbers for home base and to pick a rich tourist who looks like they have money to steal a phone from.Some of the mumbai terrorists stole the hostage's phones and used them.
Who's going to come after them for long distance overages in the afterlife when they've gunned down people already.If you need a bunch of phones at once you can bribe someone in a cell stand or cell shop.
In a nation of that many people it is tough to say there isn't many *someones* willing to make a deal if the price is right.
You can just say you are a persecuted religious sect.
Failing that you can use the barrel of a gun as a negotiating tactic.</sentencetext>
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