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	<title>iPhone App Store Rejects Find a New Home</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1259434980000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>eldavojohn writes <i>"A new site called <a href="http://apprejections.com/">App Rejections</a> (somewhat slashdotted already) aims to <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/new\_website\_publicizes\_iphone\_app\_rejections.php">provide a home for misfit apps</a>. With Apple offering <a href="//mobile.slashdot.org/story/08/09/25/1223244/Apple-Censors-App-Store-Rejection-Notices">no documents or discussions</a> on the matter of application rejections, this site might become a popular place to <a href="//mobile.slashdot.org/story/09/07/20/2318201/How-Apples-App-Review-Is-Sabotaging-the-iPhone">pick forbidden fruit</a>.  Could a third party horn in on Apple's monopoly in the iPhone application market?"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>eldavojohn writes " A new site called App Rejections ( somewhat slashdotted already ) aims to provide a home for misfit apps .
With Apple offering no documents or discussions on the matter of application rejections , this site might become a popular place to pick forbidden fruit .
Could a third party horn in on Apple 's monopoly in the iPhone application market ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>eldavojohn writes "A new site called App Rejections (somewhat slashdotted already) aims to provide a home for misfit apps.
With Apple offering no documents or discussions on the matter of application rejections, this site might become a popular place to pick forbidden fruit.
Could a third party horn in on Apple's monopoly in the iPhone application market?
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	<title>Re:A serious black eye</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1259511540000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><i>It didn't take the iPhone anywhere near two and a half years to take a significant chunk of the market from competitors.</i></p><p>I'm sorry, when did this happen? Can you define "significant chunk of the market" in terms of percentage please?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It did n't take the iPhone anywhere near two and a half years to take a significant chunk of the market from competitors.I 'm sorry , when did this happen ?
Can you define " significant chunk of the market " in terms of percentage please ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It didn't take the iPhone anywhere near two and a half years to take a significant chunk of the market from competitors.I'm sorry, when did this happen?
Can you define "significant chunk of the market" in terms of percentage please?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30259992</id>
	<title>Re:A serious black eye</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1259491440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>so wheres the equivalent Android sales explosion?</p></div></blockquote><p>

So what you are trying to say is that any product that does not sell out on the first day is doomed to failure?<br> <br>

You're trying to analyse android using Apple's business model and ignoring the other very successful business models out there. Android was not something built on hype like the iphone. Google, HTC and the other OHA members planed for Android to have a slow release and ramp up which is exactly what has happened. Many tech products use this approach, creating a small market of early adopters, using this market to refine the product and come back with an R2. Also this has the added advantage of creating a support network as well as word of mouth campaigns as opposed to Apple's "blanket of hype" marketing. The plan with Android is not to flood the market at once with "sales explosions" but to slowly seep in and take market share piecemeal.</p><blockquote><div><p>Analysts are expecting Android sales to outstrip iPhone sales by 2012, but why is it going to take that long if Android is such a good competitor?</p></div></blockquote><p>

Slow and steady wins the race. Analysts are predicting 2012 for Android to routinely outsell the iphone. For those playing along at home Apple's sales ebb and flow with the level of marketing Apple produces, right now the level of iphone marketing is low so iphones are not selling much, most manufacturers don't experience these lulls in sales so in this respect Apple is quite unique. Given the iphones reliance on hype and marketing it wouldn't surprise me if Android outsold Apple for a short time in 2010 until Apple ramps up the hype machine. What you also have to remember is that almost anyone who wants an iphone has one, as of July 2010 it will have been released in every western nation for two years which is the standard plan length in our nations. This is going to affect iphone sales a lot.</p><blockquote><div><p>It didn't take the iPhone anywhere near two and a half years to take a significant chunk of the market from competitors.</p></div></blockquote><p>

the iphone didn't take that much away from competitors, certainly the likes of RIM and NOKIA aren't hurting, the iphone hasn't taken much from the smart phone market, most of the iphones market share comes from the consumer phone market.</p><blockquote><div><p>Its not the iPhone I am worried about, its the Android series of phones.</p></div></blockquote><p>

Now after reading this:</p><blockquote><div><p>I haven't used it so I don't hold an opinion on it</p></div></blockquote><p>

I have to wonder how you came to that conclusion, you seem to have a pretty fixed opinion about Android despite never actually using it?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>so wheres the equivalent Android sales explosion ?
So what you are trying to say is that any product that does not sell out on the first day is doomed to failure ?
You 're trying to analyse android using Apple 's business model and ignoring the other very successful business models out there .
Android was not something built on hype like the iphone .
Google , HTC and the other OHA members planed for Android to have a slow release and ramp up which is exactly what has happened .
Many tech products use this approach , creating a small market of early adopters , using this market to refine the product and come back with an R2 .
Also this has the added advantage of creating a support network as well as word of mouth campaigns as opposed to Apple 's " blanket of hype " marketing .
The plan with Android is not to flood the market at once with " sales explosions " but to slowly seep in and take market share piecemeal.Analysts are expecting Android sales to outstrip iPhone sales by 2012 , but why is it going to take that long if Android is such a good competitor ?
Slow and steady wins the race .
Analysts are predicting 2012 for Android to routinely outsell the iphone .
For those playing along at home Apple 's sales ebb and flow with the level of marketing Apple produces , right now the level of iphone marketing is low so iphones are not selling much , most manufacturers do n't experience these lulls in sales so in this respect Apple is quite unique .
Given the iphones reliance on hype and marketing it would n't surprise me if Android outsold Apple for a short time in 2010 until Apple ramps up the hype machine .
What you also have to remember is that almost anyone who wants an iphone has one , as of July 2010 it will have been released in every western nation for two years which is the standard plan length in our nations .
This is going to affect iphone sales a lot.It did n't take the iPhone anywhere near two and a half years to take a significant chunk of the market from competitors .
the iphone did n't take that much away from competitors , certainly the likes of RIM and NOKIA are n't hurting , the iphone has n't taken much from the smart phone market , most of the iphones market share comes from the consumer phone market.Its not the iPhone I am worried about , its the Android series of phones .
Now after reading this : I have n't used it so I do n't hold an opinion on it I have to wonder how you came to that conclusion , you seem to have a pretty fixed opinion about Android despite never actually using it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>so wheres the equivalent Android sales explosion?
So what you are trying to say is that any product that does not sell out on the first day is doomed to failure?
You're trying to analyse android using Apple's business model and ignoring the other very successful business models out there.
Android was not something built on hype like the iphone.
Google, HTC and the other OHA members planed for Android to have a slow release and ramp up which is exactly what has happened.
Many tech products use this approach, creating a small market of early adopters, using this market to refine the product and come back with an R2.
Also this has the added advantage of creating a support network as well as word of mouth campaigns as opposed to Apple's "blanket of hype" marketing.
The plan with Android is not to flood the market at once with "sales explosions" but to slowly seep in and take market share piecemeal.Analysts are expecting Android sales to outstrip iPhone sales by 2012, but why is it going to take that long if Android is such a good competitor?
Slow and steady wins the race.
Analysts are predicting 2012 for Android to routinely outsell the iphone.
For those playing along at home Apple's sales ebb and flow with the level of marketing Apple produces, right now the level of iphone marketing is low so iphones are not selling much, most manufacturers don't experience these lulls in sales so in this respect Apple is quite unique.
Given the iphones reliance on hype and marketing it wouldn't surprise me if Android outsold Apple for a short time in 2010 until Apple ramps up the hype machine.
What you also have to remember is that almost anyone who wants an iphone has one, as of July 2010 it will have been released in every western nation for two years which is the standard plan length in our nations.
This is going to affect iphone sales a lot.It didn't take the iPhone anywhere near two and a half years to take a significant chunk of the market from competitors.
the iphone didn't take that much away from competitors, certainly the likes of RIM and NOKIA aren't hurting, the iphone hasn't taken much from the smart phone market, most of the iphones market share comes from the consumer phone market.Its not the iPhone I am worried about, its the Android series of phones.
Now after reading this:I haven't used it so I don't hold an opinion on it

I have to wonder how you came to that conclusion, you seem to have a pretty fixed opinion about Android despite never actually using it?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30259824</id>
	<title>Re:A serious black eye</title>
	<author>Richard\_at\_work</author>
	<datestamp>1259486700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>With Android-based phones cranking up, how long will it be before Apple loses their market share due to these shenanigans?</p></div><p>Android was first released in October 2008, with the first device being available the same month - thats over a year ago.  According to Apple, the iPhone sold more than 4 million units in the first 200 days, so wheres the equivalent Android sales explosion?  Analysts are expecting Android sales to outstrip iPhone sales by 2012, but why is it going to take that long if Android is such a good competitor?  It didn't take the iPhone anywhere near two and a half years to take a significant chunk of the market from competitors.</p><p>I'm not an Android hater, I haven't used it so I don't hold an opinion on it, but it seems to be held as the ultimate saviour on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/., and I'm struggling to see why.  Its not the iPhone I am worried about, its the Android series of phones...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>With Android-based phones cranking up , how long will it be before Apple loses their market share due to these shenanigans ? Android was first released in October 2008 , with the first device being available the same month - thats over a year ago .
According to Apple , the iPhone sold more than 4 million units in the first 200 days , so wheres the equivalent Android sales explosion ?
Analysts are expecting Android sales to outstrip iPhone sales by 2012 , but why is it going to take that long if Android is such a good competitor ?
It did n't take the iPhone anywhere near two and a half years to take a significant chunk of the market from competitors.I 'm not an Android hater , I have n't used it so I do n't hold an opinion on it , but it seems to be held as the ultimate saviour on /. , and I 'm struggling to see why .
Its not the iPhone I am worried about , its the Android series of phones.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With Android-based phones cranking up, how long will it be before Apple loses their market share due to these shenanigans?Android was first released in October 2008, with the first device being available the same month - thats over a year ago.
According to Apple, the iPhone sold more than 4 million units in the first 200 days, so wheres the equivalent Android sales explosion?
Analysts are expecting Android sales to outstrip iPhone sales by 2012, but why is it going to take that long if Android is such a good competitor?
It didn't take the iPhone anywhere near two and a half years to take a significant chunk of the market from competitors.I'm not an Android hater, I haven't used it so I don't hold an opinion on it, but it seems to be held as the ultimate saviour on /., and I'm struggling to see why.
Its not the iPhone I am worried about, its the Android series of phones...
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30260212</id>
	<title>Insightful? I beg your pardon?</title>
	<author>garote</author>
	<datestamp>1259495520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's say Android is deployed on every smartphone in the world that isn't an iPhone. Some are large and fragile, some are gold-plated, some with touchscreens, some without, some with keyboards, et cetera et cetera. To do this, every manufacturer and carrier needs to write custom firmware, apps, and UI elements to work with their handsets, on top of Android,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... so let's just say they did, and they work just fine, and here we are.</p><p>How does this in any way constitute a threat to the iPhone?</p><p>Here's another scenario: Let's take every computer in the world, from the toughest HP rig to the crappiest mini-ATX, and make them all run the same OS. Let's call this rival OS something suitably generic, like, "windows". By sheer numbers alone, it will totally crush Apple and their puny OS X!  Except it hasn't.</p><p>What magic sauce does Android promise that will counteract the crushing weight of a zillion competing handsets and their chump code monkeys clamoring to distinguish themselves with blingy but utterly unusable interfaces?</p><p>I'd really like to know.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's say Android is deployed on every smartphone in the world that is n't an iPhone .
Some are large and fragile , some are gold-plated , some with touchscreens , some without , some with keyboards , et cetera et cetera .
To do this , every manufacturer and carrier needs to write custom firmware , apps , and UI elements to work with their handsets , on top of Android , ... so let 's just say they did , and they work just fine , and here we are.How does this in any way constitute a threat to the iPhone ? Here 's another scenario : Let 's take every computer in the world , from the toughest HP rig to the crappiest mini-ATX , and make them all run the same OS .
Let 's call this rival OS something suitably generic , like , " windows " .
By sheer numbers alone , it will totally crush Apple and their puny OS X !
Except it has n't.What magic sauce does Android promise that will counteract the crushing weight of a zillion competing handsets and their chump code monkeys clamoring to distinguish themselves with blingy but utterly unusable interfaces ? I 'd really like to know .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's say Android is deployed on every smartphone in the world that isn't an iPhone.
Some are large and fragile, some are gold-plated, some with touchscreens, some without, some with keyboards, et cetera et cetera.
To do this, every manufacturer and carrier needs to write custom firmware, apps, and UI elements to work with their handsets, on top of Android, ... so let's just say they did, and they work just fine, and here we are.How does this in any way constitute a threat to the iPhone?Here's another scenario: Let's take every computer in the world, from the toughest HP rig to the crappiest mini-ATX, and make them all run the same OS.
Let's call this rival OS something suitably generic, like, "windows".
By sheer numbers alone, it will totally crush Apple and their puny OS X!
Except it hasn't.What magic sauce does Android promise that will counteract the crushing weight of a zillion competing handsets and their chump code monkeys clamoring to distinguish themselves with blingy but utterly unusable interfaces?I'd really like to know.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30260666</id>
	<title>Re:A serious black eye</title>
	<author>rmav</author>
	<datestamp>1259502000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The two most common complaints I hear, in order, are: "I refuse to sign up for AT&amp;T's service," and "I keep reading about how they won't let people publish their apps."  The more they press this issue, the more they are setting themselves up for a spectacular failure.  </p></div><p>
Well, Apple can always relax, and it does.  Is there a need for kinds of apps other than web apps?  Here's a set of APIs and an appstore. Do you need Exchange compatibility? Here it is.  Do you need some kind of services offered usually by background processes? For now, in some cases, we have Push Notifications.

<br> <br>
Sooner or later Apple will have to shift the responsibility of activating tethering on the user (yes, I know the patent). Apple *can* allow more sources for apps in the future. It is more difficult to restrict conditions later (as Android will notice - at the moment applications seldom have visibility on Android, and sell much less than on the iPhone, and some developers are fleeing as well).

<br> <br>
I am not condoning all of Apple's practices, but they sure know what they are doing. If you do not like what Apple is doing in a particular country, then you can still buy something else.  If Apple does not offer some set of functions in your country, then the Apple product WITH that set of functions does not exist (it may exist if you hack the product, but then it is no longer Apple's offering).

<br> <br>
 Roberto</p></div>
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<tokenext>The two most common complaints I hear , in order , are : " I refuse to sign up for AT&amp;T 's service , " and " I keep reading about how they wo n't let people publish their apps .
" The more they press this issue , the more they are setting themselves up for a spectacular failure .
Well , Apple can always relax , and it does .
Is there a need for kinds of apps other than web apps ?
Here 's a set of APIs and an appstore .
Do you need Exchange compatibility ?
Here it is .
Do you need some kind of services offered usually by background processes ?
For now , in some cases , we have Push Notifications .
Sooner or later Apple will have to shift the responsibility of activating tethering on the user ( yes , I know the patent ) .
Apple * can * allow more sources for apps in the future .
It is more difficult to restrict conditions later ( as Android will notice - at the moment applications seldom have visibility on Android , and sell much less than on the iPhone , and some developers are fleeing as well ) .
I am not condoning all of Apple 's practices , but they sure know what they are doing .
If you do not like what Apple is doing in a particular country , then you can still buy something else .
If Apple does not offer some set of functions in your country , then the Apple product WITH that set of functions does not exist ( it may exist if you hack the product , but then it is no longer Apple 's offering ) .
Roberto</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The two most common complaints I hear, in order, are: "I refuse to sign up for AT&amp;T's service," and "I keep reading about how they won't let people publish their apps.
"  The more they press this issue, the more they are setting themselves up for a spectacular failure.
Well, Apple can always relax, and it does.
Is there a need for kinds of apps other than web apps?
Here's a set of APIs and an appstore.
Do you need Exchange compatibility?
Here it is.
Do you need some kind of services offered usually by background processes?
For now, in some cases, we have Push Notifications.
Sooner or later Apple will have to shift the responsibility of activating tethering on the user (yes, I know the patent).
Apple *can* allow more sources for apps in the future.
It is more difficult to restrict conditions later (as Android will notice - at the moment applications seldom have visibility on Android, and sell much less than on the iPhone, and some developers are fleeing as well).
I am not condoning all of Apple's practices, but they sure know what they are doing.
If you do not like what Apple is doing in a particular country, then you can still buy something else.
If Apple does not offer some set of functions in your country, then the Apple product WITH that set of functions does not exist (it may exist if you hack the product, but then it is no longer Apple's offering).
Roberto
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30261292</id>
	<title>Re:there's an app for finding a new home?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259509260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>oh, wait...</p></div><p>Pop Quiz:
</p><p>
1.) a: "Store"  b: "Rejects"  c: "Find"</p><p>Which one is the verb?</p><p>
2.) Discuss why putting all three together in a headline is a bad idea.
</p><p>[I would have gotten an iPhone for the "Find a New Home" app.]</p></div>
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<tokenext>oh , wait...Pop Quiz : 1 .
) a : " Store " b : " Rejects " c : " Find " Which one is the verb ?
2. ) Discuss why putting all three together in a headline is a bad idea .
[ I would have gotten an iPhone for the " Find a New Home " app .
]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>oh, wait...Pop Quiz:

1.
) a: "Store"  b: "Rejects"  c: "Find"Which one is the verb?
2.) Discuss why putting all three together in a headline is a bad idea.
[I would have gotten an iPhone for the "Find a New Home" app.
]
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30260020</id>
	<title>UNamerican</title>
	<author>anonieuweling</author>
	<datestamp>1259492280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>But isn't it UNamerican to circumvent the intentions of Apple Inc and do whatever you want for yourself?<br>
I mean, by exactly doing this you are UNfriending yourself. Apple Inc will lose dollar$ because of this and will have less influence to set the desired norms, values, regulations, etc.<br>
All of this might even be illegal. Yes, you are going against the will of the owner of the platform and you might be breaking certain laws while going this route.<br>
Has this world become an area with revolutionarists?</htmltext>
<tokenext>But is n't it UNamerican to circumvent the intentions of Apple Inc and do whatever you want for yourself ?
I mean , by exactly doing this you are UNfriending yourself .
Apple Inc will lose dollar $ because of this and will have less influence to set the desired norms , values , regulations , etc .
All of this might even be illegal .
Yes , you are going against the will of the owner of the platform and you might be breaking certain laws while going this route .
Has this world become an area with revolutionarists ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But isn't it UNamerican to circumvent the intentions of Apple Inc and do whatever you want for yourself?
I mean, by exactly doing this you are UNfriending yourself.
Apple Inc will lose dollar$ because of this and will have less influence to set the desired norms, values, regulations, etc.
All of this might even be illegal.
Yes, you are going against the will of the owner of the platform and you might be breaking certain laws while going this route.
Has this world become an area with revolutionarists?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30261748</id>
	<title>Re:Article title correction</title>
	<author>Patik</author>
	<datestamp>1259513940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I first read "reject" as a verb when it's actually used as a noun (or an adjective in your example), but 'rejection' is much clearer. And it wasn't trivial to separate the subject from the rest of the sentence. How about this:

"A New Home for Stories of iPhone App Store Rejection"</htmltext>
<tokenext>I first read " reject " as a verb when it 's actually used as a noun ( or an adjective in your example ) , but 'rejection ' is much clearer .
And it was n't trivial to separate the subject from the rest of the sentence .
How about this : " A New Home for Stories of iPhone App Store Rejection "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I first read "reject" as a verb when it's actually used as a noun (or an adjective in your example), but 'rejection' is much clearer.
And it wasn't trivial to separate the subject from the rest of the sentence.
How about this:

"A New Home for Stories of iPhone App Store Rejection"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30260890</id>
	<title>Re:No</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1259505060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Until someone provides a real threat to Apple's hardware/software iPhone platform</i></p><p>If having a much bigger market share (e.g., Nokia at 40\%, to Apple's few per cent) does not count as a "real threat", I am curious to hear what does?</p><p>(And if you have that low opinion of your potential customers - that if they modify their own product to get basic functionality to work, that Just Works on all other phones, then they must be pirates - then I have no sympathy if Apple rejects the "app" that you've spent months or years developing.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Until someone provides a real threat to Apple 's hardware/software iPhone platformIf having a much bigger market share ( e.g. , Nokia at 40 \ % , to Apple 's few per cent ) does not count as a " real threat " , I am curious to hear what does ?
( And if you have that low opinion of your potential customers - that if they modify their own product to get basic functionality to work , that Just Works on all other phones , then they must be pirates - then I have no sympathy if Apple rejects the " app " that you 've spent months or years developing .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Until someone provides a real threat to Apple's hardware/software iPhone platformIf having a much bigger market share (e.g., Nokia at 40\%, to Apple's few per cent) does not count as a "real threat", I am curious to hear what does?
(And if you have that low opinion of your potential customers - that if they modify their own product to get basic functionality to work, that Just Works on all other phones, then they must be pirates - then I have no sympathy if Apple rejects the "app" that you've spent months or years developing.
)</sentencetext>
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	<title>Android is more potentiality for now</title>
	<author>S3D</author>
	<datestamp>1259487240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Android is more potentiality for now than a real competitor. If Android apps start really bite into App Store pocket Apple will do something, not before. The situation with Symbian OS was absolutely the same. Until iPhone/App Store juggernaut started, Nokia didn't bother with developer complaints about closure of handset capabilities with Symbian Signed, platform fragmentation and general neglect of application market. As soon as iPhone started biting into Nokia market share, and Apple app store proved that there are real money in the applications, Nokia scrambled Ovi application store, Symbian foundation promised to relax Symbian Signed restrictions, and it seems Nokia ended up with dropping Symbian OS for high-end (or may be for all later) smartphones altogether.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Android is more potentiality for now than a real competitor .
If Android apps start really bite into App Store pocket Apple will do something , not before .
The situation with Symbian OS was absolutely the same .
Until iPhone/App Store juggernaut started , Nokia did n't bother with developer complaints about closure of handset capabilities with Symbian Signed , platform fragmentation and general neglect of application market .
As soon as iPhone started biting into Nokia market share , and Apple app store proved that there are real money in the applications , Nokia scrambled Ovi application store , Symbian foundation promised to relax Symbian Signed restrictions , and it seems Nokia ended up with dropping Symbian OS for high-end ( or may be for all later ) smartphones altogether .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Android is more potentiality for now than a real competitor.
If Android apps start really bite into App Store pocket Apple will do something, not before.
The situation with Symbian OS was absolutely the same.
Until iPhone/App Store juggernaut started, Nokia didn't bother with developer complaints about closure of handset capabilities with Symbian Signed, platform fragmentation and general neglect of application market.
As soon as iPhone started biting into Nokia market share, and Apple app store proved that there are real money in the applications, Nokia scrambled Ovi application store, Symbian foundation promised to relax Symbian Signed restrictions, and it seems Nokia ended up with dropping Symbian OS for high-end (or may be for all later) smartphones altogether.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30261302</id>
	<title>Re:Hello Editor. Did you RTFA?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259509320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, of course the editor did not read the article, and doesn't understand the subject under discussion. It's kdawson, who has shown every indication of being either nearly illiterate or is actively trying to sabotage Slashdot's already meager quality.  If you read a posted summary that completely mis-states what an article is about, or you read a summary that betrays a total lack of understanding of the subject -- chances are it's a kdawson joint.</p><p>They guy's a moron, I'm sorry to say.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , of course the editor did not read the article , and does n't understand the subject under discussion .
It 's kdawson , who has shown every indication of being either nearly illiterate or is actively trying to sabotage Slashdot 's already meager quality .
If you read a posted summary that completely mis-states what an article is about , or you read a summary that betrays a total lack of understanding of the subject -- chances are it 's a kdawson joint.They guy 's a moron , I 'm sorry to say .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, of course the editor did not read the article, and doesn't understand the subject under discussion.
It's kdawson, who has shown every indication of being either nearly illiterate or is actively trying to sabotage Slashdot's already meager quality.
If you read a posted summary that completely mis-states what an article is about, or you read a summary that betrays a total lack of understanding of the subject -- chances are it's a kdawson joint.They guy's a moron, I'm sorry to say.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30259888</id>
	<title>Re:No</title>
	<author>vosester</author>
	<datestamp>1259488380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Not to mention the suspicion that people who jailbreak phones are likely to know how to pirate software as well, making them a less desirable market as well.</p></div><p>Please don't lump us jailbreakers in with pirates, Having the power to pirate and doing it are two different things. I take your point, But I just don't see most people going to all that trouble just to dodge a small fee.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Not to mention the suspicion that people who jailbreak phones are likely to know how to pirate software as well , making them a less desirable market as well.Please do n't lump us jailbreakers in with pirates , Having the power to pirate and doing it are two different things .
I take your point , But I just do n't see most people going to all that trouble just to dodge a small fee .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not to mention the suspicion that people who jailbreak phones are likely to know how to pirate software as well, making them a less desirable market as well.Please don't lump us jailbreakers in with pirates, Having the power to pirate and doing it are two different things.
I take your point, But I just don't see most people going to all that trouble just to dodge a small fee.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30261722</id>
	<title>At last!</title>
	<author>Anal Surprise</author>
	<datestamp>1259513760000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Finally we a place where you can find rootkits and backdoor installers for your iPhone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Finally we a place where you can find rootkits and backdoor installers for your iPhone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Finally we a place where you can find rootkits and backdoor installers for your iPhone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30259714</id>
	<title>A serious black eye</title>
	<author>KingSkippus</author>
	<datestamp>1259526660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You know that old phrase about those who don't know their history being doomed to repeat it?</p><p>I don't know what Apple is thinking.  Up until now, it's all been good for them because of the lack of serious competition.  With Android-based phones cranking up, how long will it be before Apple loses their market share due to these shenanigans?</p><p>The scary thing is that Apple has been in this EXACT situation before.  They owned a large market share of the PC market way back when IBM PCs were too expensive for the common consumer to afford.  They kept all of their hardware all locked up tight, with proprietary everything.  As the cost of PCs came down as the hardware moved to commodity parts and the PC "clone wars" cranked up, Apple took a beating and damn near went out of business.</p><p>I already have friend who refuse to buy an iPhone because it's locked down so tightly.  The two most common complaints I hear, in order, are: "I refuse to sign up for AT&amp;T's service," and "I keep reading about how they won't let people publish their apps."  The more they press this issue, the more they are setting themselves up for a spectacular failure.  (And yes, I know people who have bought Android-based phones specifically because they don't like a company telling them what they can and can't run on hardware they paid good money for.)</p><p>Apple has been a cool company the past few years.  I have an iPhone and a Mac (which I'm typing this comment from now, in fact).  Still, if I owned stock in Apple, I'd be selling it about right now because they are moving in the exact opposite direction that the market is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know that old phrase about those who do n't know their history being doomed to repeat it ? I do n't know what Apple is thinking .
Up until now , it 's all been good for them because of the lack of serious competition .
With Android-based phones cranking up , how long will it be before Apple loses their market share due to these shenanigans ? The scary thing is that Apple has been in this EXACT situation before .
They owned a large market share of the PC market way back when IBM PCs were too expensive for the common consumer to afford .
They kept all of their hardware all locked up tight , with proprietary everything .
As the cost of PCs came down as the hardware moved to commodity parts and the PC " clone wars " cranked up , Apple took a beating and damn near went out of business.I already have friend who refuse to buy an iPhone because it 's locked down so tightly .
The two most common complaints I hear , in order , are : " I refuse to sign up for AT&amp;T 's service , " and " I keep reading about how they wo n't let people publish their apps .
" The more they press this issue , the more they are setting themselves up for a spectacular failure .
( And yes , I know people who have bought Android-based phones specifically because they do n't like a company telling them what they can and ca n't run on hardware they paid good money for .
) Apple has been a cool company the past few years .
I have an iPhone and a Mac ( which I 'm typing this comment from now , in fact ) .
Still , if I owned stock in Apple , I 'd be selling it about right now because they are moving in the exact opposite direction that the market is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know that old phrase about those who don't know their history being doomed to repeat it?I don't know what Apple is thinking.
Up until now, it's all been good for them because of the lack of serious competition.
With Android-based phones cranking up, how long will it be before Apple loses their market share due to these shenanigans?The scary thing is that Apple has been in this EXACT situation before.
They owned a large market share of the PC market way back when IBM PCs were too expensive for the common consumer to afford.
They kept all of their hardware all locked up tight, with proprietary everything.
As the cost of PCs came down as the hardware moved to commodity parts and the PC "clone wars" cranked up, Apple took a beating and damn near went out of business.I already have friend who refuse to buy an iPhone because it's locked down so tightly.
The two most common complaints I hear, in order, are: "I refuse to sign up for AT&amp;T's service," and "I keep reading about how they won't let people publish their apps.
"  The more they press this issue, the more they are setting themselves up for a spectacular failure.
(And yes, I know people who have bought Android-based phones specifically because they don't like a company telling them what they can and can't run on hardware they paid good money for.
)Apple has been a cool company the past few years.
I have an iPhone and a Mac (which I'm typing this comment from now, in fact).
Still, if I owned stock in Apple, I'd be selling it about right now because they are moving in the exact opposite direction that the market is.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Proof read</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259485740000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I see "slashdoted", "horn in". Geez, the article is on the front page. Eldavojohn usually spells quite well. Did an editor mess it up?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I see " slashdoted " , " horn in " .
Geez , the article is on the front page .
Eldavojohn usually spells quite well .
Did an editor mess it up ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I see "slashdoted", "horn in".
Geez, the article is on the front page.
Eldavojohn usually spells quite well.
Did an editor mess it up?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30260738</id>
	<title>Re:A serious black eye</title>
	<author>rmav</author>
	<datestamp>1259502900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>With Android-based phones cranking up, how long will it be before Apple loses their market share due to these shenanigans?</p></div><p>Android was first released in October 2008, with the first device being available the same month - thats over a year ago.  According to Apple, the iPhone sold more than 4 million units in the first 200 days, so wheres the equivalent Android sales explosion?  Analysts are expecting Android sales to outstrip iPhone sales by 2012, but why is it going to take that long if Android is such a good competitor?  It didn't take the iPhone anywhere near two and a half years to take a significant chunk of the market from competitors.</p><p>I'm not an Android hater, I haven't used it so I don't hold an opinion on it, but it seems to be held as the ultimate saviour on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/., and I'm struggling to see why.  Its not the iPhone I am worried about, its the Android series of phones...</p></div><p>
There is an analysis here, not entirely without flaws, that explains some of the problems Android is facing.

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<a href="http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/11/21/inside\_googles\_android\_and\_apples\_iphone\_os\_as\_software\_markets.html" title="appleinsider.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/11/21/inside\_googles\_android\_and\_apples\_iphone\_os\_as\_software\_markets.html</a> [appleinsider.com]

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One of the biggest ones is hardware: limited flash on board castrates applications.

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And leaving some of control of the firmware to the handset makers is the single, biggest mistake you can do.  One of the main reasons the software scene on Symbian is lo lousy.  You end up with too many different versions of the OS in use at the same time, and in some cases updating will be very, very difficult (did it never happen that a give FW update was NOT available for your specific Nokia handset - and thus you were unable to use some applications? IN Europe this is very common).

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And TOO different HW characteristics. Some people complain that Apple's 480x320 screen is no longer the coolest around.

<br> <br>
Of course Apple is already working on updates to the display - but in such a way that applications and icons won't look like rubbish (like scaling on the Motorola Droid).  I need non insider info to know they are: they would be dumb if they didn't - and they may be evil, but not stupid.

<br> <br>
I expect an exact doubling of resolution in both axes, and this will of course happen a bit later than on the Android platform (854x480 current on Droid), and with some \_very\_ simple software support (developers will have to check if such a screen is available, otherwise apps will be scaled, I guess).

<br> <br>
 Roberto</p></div>
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<tokenext>With Android-based phones cranking up , how long will it be before Apple loses their market share due to these shenanigans ? Android was first released in October 2008 , with the first device being available the same month - thats over a year ago .
According to Apple , the iPhone sold more than 4 million units in the first 200 days , so wheres the equivalent Android sales explosion ?
Analysts are expecting Android sales to outstrip iPhone sales by 2012 , but why is it going to take that long if Android is such a good competitor ?
It did n't take the iPhone anywhere near two and a half years to take a significant chunk of the market from competitors.I 'm not an Android hater , I have n't used it so I do n't hold an opinion on it , but it seems to be held as the ultimate saviour on /. , and I 'm struggling to see why .
Its not the iPhone I am worried about , its the Android series of phones.. . There is an analysis here , not entirely without flaws , that explains some of the problems Android is facing .
http : //www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/11/21/inside \ _googles \ _android \ _and \ _apples \ _iphone \ _os \ _as \ _software \ _markets.html [ appleinsider.com ] One of the biggest ones is hardware : limited flash on board castrates applications .
And leaving some of control of the firmware to the handset makers is the single , biggest mistake you can do .
One of the main reasons the software scene on Symbian is lo lousy .
You end up with too many different versions of the OS in use at the same time , and in some cases updating will be very , very difficult ( did it never happen that a give FW update was NOT available for your specific Nokia handset - and thus you were unable to use some applications ?
IN Europe this is very common ) .
And TOO different HW characteristics .
Some people complain that Apple 's 480x320 screen is no longer the coolest around .
Of course Apple is already working on updates to the display - but in such a way that applications and icons wo n't look like rubbish ( like scaling on the Motorola Droid ) .
I need non insider info to know they are : they would be dumb if they did n't - and they may be evil , but not stupid .
I expect an exact doubling of resolution in both axes , and this will of course happen a bit later than on the Android platform ( 854x480 current on Droid ) , and with some \ _very \ _ simple software support ( developers will have to check if such a screen is available , otherwise apps will be scaled , I guess ) .
Roberto</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With Android-based phones cranking up, how long will it be before Apple loses their market share due to these shenanigans?Android was first released in October 2008, with the first device being available the same month - thats over a year ago.
According to Apple, the iPhone sold more than 4 million units in the first 200 days, so wheres the equivalent Android sales explosion?
Analysts are expecting Android sales to outstrip iPhone sales by 2012, but why is it going to take that long if Android is such a good competitor?
It didn't take the iPhone anywhere near two and a half years to take a significant chunk of the market from competitors.I'm not an Android hater, I haven't used it so I don't hold an opinion on it, but it seems to be held as the ultimate saviour on /., and I'm struggling to see why.
Its not the iPhone I am worried about, its the Android series of phones...
There is an analysis here, not entirely without flaws, that explains some of the problems Android is facing.
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/11/21/inside\_googles\_android\_and\_apples\_iphone\_os\_as\_software\_markets.html [appleinsider.com]


One of the biggest ones is hardware: limited flash on board castrates applications.
And leaving some of control of the firmware to the handset makers is the single, biggest mistake you can do.
One of the main reasons the software scene on Symbian is lo lousy.
You end up with too many different versions of the OS in use at the same time, and in some cases updating will be very, very difficult (did it never happen that a give FW update was NOT available for your specific Nokia handset - and thus you were unable to use some applications?
IN Europe this is very common).
And TOO different HW characteristics.
Some people complain that Apple's 480x320 screen is no longer the coolest around.
Of course Apple is already working on updates to the display - but in such a way that applications and icons won't look like rubbish (like scaling on the Motorola Droid).
I need non insider info to know they are: they would be dumb if they didn't - and they may be evil, but not stupid.
I expect an exact doubling of resolution in both axes, and this will of course happen a bit later than on the Android platform (854x480 current on Droid), and with some \_very\_ simple software support (developers will have to check if such a screen is available, otherwise apps will be scaled, I guess).
Roberto
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30264196</id>
	<title>Re:A serious black eye</title>
	<author>Swift2001</author>
	<datestamp>1259493660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd seriously dispute that. People who are aware of programming, linux, free software -- who have a serious knowledge of computers, they might find this onerous, or a "black eye." Those who haven't heard of it, and that is the great majority of a consumer device's market, don't really give a damn. I know five people like that -- not that "I know x people" is any proof.</p><p>The iPhone software market locked up tight? Is that why there's 100,000 apps? With AT&amp;T, you have a point. But the exclusivity deal is coming off this year. Get ready for price drops and increasing market share.</p><p>Your account of the PC market leaves out a ton of stuff. One, PCs were cheaper, immediately. Business fueled the adoption of DOS in business, but they weren't any more "open" that the Mac. They gave the appearance of the same, because IBMs and Compaqs and HPs were "compatible," that is, the software and the processor was the same. But the DOS, and then Windows platforms weren't a tinkle more "open" than the Mac. The Mac stayed with Motorola processors, true. The most egregious sins were not by Jobs, of course, they were committed by the sugared-water marketers who came after him.</p><p>The Mac delayed windows compatibility, but I think that's a dead issue now, isn't it? I've run Macs perfectly well on Windows networks, we've shared printers, shared files, and shared common documents to work on with alternate applications. I can run the Windows environment on the iPhone. I can even run Windows in a Parallels environment on my iPhone, though I'm not sure why.</p><p>I'm sure if you read the Google or whatever programming tips, they tell you not to use certain API calls which are "private" and subject to change, and thus break. That seems to be the majority of rejections from the App Store.</p><p>When the iPhone came out, it was derided for not having any apps. Then only having Safari apps. Then when it came through with the apps, big-time, that's not good enough because it's too controlled. If the unpatched iPhone was subject to the nasty Trojans that the jailbroken phones are prone to, you'd hear about it.</p><p>Steve don't want porn apps on the iPhone, though he's not in control of your pictures. Steve don't want apps that have bad calls. Steve don't want his lawyers unhappy with copyright infringement, though that makes them twitch and do stupid stuff at times. But the network(s) need more protection from the ground up than computers needed in 1984, and paradoxically, you're always on the network now. Which sounds right for a phone. When you can't phone somebody else, or you can't go to any web site with Safari, that's when a smartphone will be closed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd seriously dispute that .
People who are aware of programming , linux , free software -- who have a serious knowledge of computers , they might find this onerous , or a " black eye .
" Those who have n't heard of it , and that is the great majority of a consumer device 's market , do n't really give a damn .
I know five people like that -- not that " I know x people " is any proof.The iPhone software market locked up tight ?
Is that why there 's 100,000 apps ?
With AT&amp;T , you have a point .
But the exclusivity deal is coming off this year .
Get ready for price drops and increasing market share.Your account of the PC market leaves out a ton of stuff .
One , PCs were cheaper , immediately .
Business fueled the adoption of DOS in business , but they were n't any more " open " that the Mac .
They gave the appearance of the same , because IBMs and Compaqs and HPs were " compatible , " that is , the software and the processor was the same .
But the DOS , and then Windows platforms were n't a tinkle more " open " than the Mac .
The Mac stayed with Motorola processors , true .
The most egregious sins were not by Jobs , of course , they were committed by the sugared-water marketers who came after him.The Mac delayed windows compatibility , but I think that 's a dead issue now , is n't it ?
I 've run Macs perfectly well on Windows networks , we 've shared printers , shared files , and shared common documents to work on with alternate applications .
I can run the Windows environment on the iPhone .
I can even run Windows in a Parallels environment on my iPhone , though I 'm not sure why.I 'm sure if you read the Google or whatever programming tips , they tell you not to use certain API calls which are " private " and subject to change , and thus break .
That seems to be the majority of rejections from the App Store.When the iPhone came out , it was derided for not having any apps .
Then only having Safari apps .
Then when it came through with the apps , big-time , that 's not good enough because it 's too controlled .
If the unpatched iPhone was subject to the nasty Trojans that the jailbroken phones are prone to , you 'd hear about it.Steve do n't want porn apps on the iPhone , though he 's not in control of your pictures .
Steve do n't want apps that have bad calls .
Steve do n't want his lawyers unhappy with copyright infringement , though that makes them twitch and do stupid stuff at times .
But the network ( s ) need more protection from the ground up than computers needed in 1984 , and paradoxically , you 're always on the network now .
Which sounds right for a phone .
When you ca n't phone somebody else , or you ca n't go to any web site with Safari , that 's when a smartphone will be closed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd seriously dispute that.
People who are aware of programming, linux, free software -- who have a serious knowledge of computers, they might find this onerous, or a "black eye.
" Those who haven't heard of it, and that is the great majority of a consumer device's market, don't really give a damn.
I know five people like that -- not that "I know x people" is any proof.The iPhone software market locked up tight?
Is that why there's 100,000 apps?
With AT&amp;T, you have a point.
But the exclusivity deal is coming off this year.
Get ready for price drops and increasing market share.Your account of the PC market leaves out a ton of stuff.
One, PCs were cheaper, immediately.
Business fueled the adoption of DOS in business, but they weren't any more "open" that the Mac.
They gave the appearance of the same, because IBMs and Compaqs and HPs were "compatible," that is, the software and the processor was the same.
But the DOS, and then Windows platforms weren't a tinkle more "open" than the Mac.
The Mac stayed with Motorola processors, true.
The most egregious sins were not by Jobs, of course, they were committed by the sugared-water marketers who came after him.The Mac delayed windows compatibility, but I think that's a dead issue now, isn't it?
I've run Macs perfectly well on Windows networks, we've shared printers, shared files, and shared common documents to work on with alternate applications.
I can run the Windows environment on the iPhone.
I can even run Windows in a Parallels environment on my iPhone, though I'm not sure why.I'm sure if you read the Google or whatever programming tips, they tell you not to use certain API calls which are "private" and subject to change, and thus break.
That seems to be the majority of rejections from the App Store.When the iPhone came out, it was derided for not having any apps.
Then only having Safari apps.
Then when it came through with the apps, big-time, that's not good enough because it's too controlled.
If the unpatched iPhone was subject to the nasty Trojans that the jailbroken phones are prone to, you'd hear about it.Steve don't want porn apps on the iPhone, though he's not in control of your pictures.
Steve don't want apps that have bad calls.
Steve don't want his lawyers unhappy with copyright infringement, though that makes them twitch and do stupid stuff at times.
But the network(s) need more protection from the ground up than computers needed in 1984, and paradoxically, you're always on the network now.
Which sounds right for a phone.
When you can't phone somebody else, or you can't go to any web site with Safari, that's when a smartphone will be closed.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30269766</id>
	<title>Re:No</title>
	<author>FictionPimp</author>
	<datestamp>1259595360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe no one held a gun to your head....</p><p>You haven't seen how high sell the apple store is by my house....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe no one held a gun to your head....You have n't seen how high sell the apple store is by my house... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe no one held a gun to your head....You haven't seen how high sell the apple store is by my house....</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Insightful? I beg your pardon?</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1259519340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Let's call this rival OS something suitably generic, like, "windows". By sheer numbers alone, it will totally crush Apple and their puny OS X! Except it hasn't.</i> </p><p>In its corporate identity Apple Computer becomes Apple. Its focus shifts from the computer to the music store and the mobile device.</p><p>The Mac is assembled from a sub-set of commodity - Windows x86 - based PC hardware.</p><p>Apple markets the Mac with Boot Camp or virtualization as the perfect Windows PC. The Mac offers a rich secondary market for the Windows OS and Windows software.</p><p>These alleged rivals have stilled the antitrust beast and held their respective market shares for the better part of thirty years.</p><p>
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<tokenext>Let 's call this rival OS something suitably generic , like , " windows " .
By sheer numbers alone , it will totally crush Apple and their puny OS X !
Except it has n't .
In its corporate identity Apple Computer becomes Apple .
Its focus shifts from the computer to the music store and the mobile device.The Mac is assembled from a sub-set of commodity - Windows x86 - based PC hardware.Apple markets the Mac with Boot Camp or virtualization as the perfect Windows PC .
The Mac offers a rich secondary market for the Windows OS and Windows software.These alleged rivals have stilled the antitrust beast and held their respective market shares for the better part of thirty years .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's call this rival OS something suitably generic, like, "windows".
By sheer numbers alone, it will totally crush Apple and their puny OS X!
Except it hasn't.
In its corporate identity Apple Computer becomes Apple.
Its focus shifts from the computer to the music store and the mobile device.The Mac is assembled from a sub-set of commodity - Windows x86 - based PC hardware.Apple markets the Mac with Boot Camp or virtualization as the perfect Windows PC.
The Mac offers a rich secondary market for the Windows OS and Windows software.These alleged rivals have stilled the antitrust beast and held their respective market shares for the better part of thirty years.
 </sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30261718</id>
	<title>Re:A serious black eye</title>
	<author>hiscross</author>
	<datestamp>1259513700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Apple knows exactly what they are doing. It's the looters and parasites who never owned or operated their own business that do all the whining about Apple. Here is my challenge to all whiners, start your own business and comeback and tell us what you had to do to be successful. I bet you'll tell us you did what you had to do be successful and Not bend to the looters and parasites who want to use your mind and hard work to get a free pass. BTW that is called socialism, you know were America is headed and England and France are suffering because of it.yes, I own a business. "Who is John Galt?"</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple knows exactly what they are doing .
It 's the looters and parasites who never owned or operated their own business that do all the whining about Apple .
Here is my challenge to all whiners , start your own business and comeback and tell us what you had to do to be successful .
I bet you 'll tell us you did what you had to do be successful and Not bend to the looters and parasites who want to use your mind and hard work to get a free pass .
BTW that is called socialism , you know were America is headed and England and France are suffering because of it.yes , I own a business .
" Who is John Galt ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple knows exactly what they are doing.
It's the looters and parasites who never owned or operated their own business that do all the whining about Apple.
Here is my challenge to all whiners, start your own business and comeback and tell us what you had to do to be successful.
I bet you'll tell us you did what you had to do be successful and Not bend to the looters and parasites who want to use your mind and hard work to get a free pass.
BTW that is called socialism, you know were America is headed and England and France are suffering because of it.yes, I own a business.
"Who is John Galt?
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30259942</id>
	<title>Re:A serious black eye</title>
	<author>timmarhy</author>
	<datestamp>1259490180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>handsets is your answer sir. just because one is out there, it doesn't a good platform make.</htmltext>
<tokenext>handsets is your answer sir .
just because one is out there , it does n't a good platform make .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>handsets is your answer sir.
just because one is out there, it doesn't a good platform make.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30265642</id>
	<title>Re:A serious black eye</title>
	<author>mqduck</author>
	<datestamp>1259508600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I already have friend who refuse to buy an iPhone because it's locked down so tightly. The two most common complaints I hear, in order, are: "I refuse to sign up for AT&amp;T's service," and "I keep reading about how they won't let people publish their apps."</p></div><p>That definitely reflects my reasoning. There are other reasons I prefer a Droid over an iPhone, but the way the latter is locked down is an absolute deal-killer for me, and I suspect a lot of other people who know of it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I already have friend who refuse to buy an iPhone because it 's locked down so tightly .
The two most common complaints I hear , in order , are : " I refuse to sign up for AT&amp;T 's service , " and " I keep reading about how they wo n't let people publish their apps .
" That definitely reflects my reasoning .
There are other reasons I prefer a Droid over an iPhone , but the way the latter is locked down is an absolute deal-killer for me , and I suspect a lot of other people who know of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I already have friend who refuse to buy an iPhone because it's locked down so tightly.
The two most common complaints I hear, in order, are: "I refuse to sign up for AT&amp;T's service," and "I keep reading about how they won't let people publish their apps.
"That definitely reflects my reasoning.
There are other reasons I prefer a Droid over an iPhone, but the way the latter is locked down is an absolute deal-killer for me, and I suspect a lot of other people who know of it.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30259956</id>
	<title>1000 bucks on</title>
	<author>arbiter1</author>
	<datestamp>1259490600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Apple filing suit against the site for violating some patent or what ever.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple filing suit against the site for violating some patent or what ever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple filing suit against the site for violating some patent or what ever.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30260966</id>
	<title>Re:A serious black eye</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1259505840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Up until now, it's all been good for them because of the lack of serious competition. With Android-based phones cranking up, how long will it be before Apple loses their market share due to these shenanigans?</i></p><p>The competition from Nokia (40\% market share), Samsung, LG, Motorola and RIM, all of whom have larger market share than Apple, isn't "serious competition"?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) I'm sure Apple are enjoying the revenue from the product - you don't need to be one of the biggest in the market to make money.</p><p>Don't get me wrong, I agree with what you write about the risk of people losing interest in the Iphone, and yet more competition from Android - I would never buy a locked down platform either, and it scares me that such a thing might become normal practice in mobile computing. But don't forget there are plenty of alternatives here already, which people are already buying. It's just that the Iphone gets a disproportionate amount of media coverage (especially here on Slashdot - I mean, people start joking about the Daily Iphone Slashvertisement, but it's stopped being funny... Hell, today as well as the obligatory story, we've enough one that mentions the Iphone, with an additional two more Apple stories on top. When was the last time you saw an story for say Nokia?)</p><p>But yes, hopefully open solutions will win in the end. It annoys me that many phones are rather locked down - albeit nowhere near to the extent of the Iphone. That's why I'm glad that netbooks have appeared - maybe not replacements for phones, but they allow mobile computing with all the benefits and openness of ordinary PCs.</p><p>It's just sad that Slashdot, which was once a place devoted to open systems, now focuses almost solely on the most closed platfom in this market.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Up until now , it 's all been good for them because of the lack of serious competition .
With Android-based phones cranking up , how long will it be before Apple loses their market share due to these shenanigans ? The competition from Nokia ( 40 \ % market share ) , Samsung , LG , Motorola and RIM , all of whom have larger market share than Apple , is n't " serious competition " ?
: ) I 'm sure Apple are enjoying the revenue from the product - you do n't need to be one of the biggest in the market to make money.Do n't get me wrong , I agree with what you write about the risk of people losing interest in the Iphone , and yet more competition from Android - I would never buy a locked down platform either , and it scares me that such a thing might become normal practice in mobile computing .
But do n't forget there are plenty of alternatives here already , which people are already buying .
It 's just that the Iphone gets a disproportionate amount of media coverage ( especially here on Slashdot - I mean , people start joking about the Daily Iphone Slashvertisement , but it 's stopped being funny... Hell , today as well as the obligatory story , we 've enough one that mentions the Iphone , with an additional two more Apple stories on top .
When was the last time you saw an story for say Nokia ?
) But yes , hopefully open solutions will win in the end .
It annoys me that many phones are rather locked down - albeit nowhere near to the extent of the Iphone .
That 's why I 'm glad that netbooks have appeared - maybe not replacements for phones , but they allow mobile computing with all the benefits and openness of ordinary PCs.It 's just sad that Slashdot , which was once a place devoted to open systems , now focuses almost solely on the most closed platfom in this market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Up until now, it's all been good for them because of the lack of serious competition.
With Android-based phones cranking up, how long will it be before Apple loses their market share due to these shenanigans?The competition from Nokia (40\% market share), Samsung, LG, Motorola and RIM, all of whom have larger market share than Apple, isn't "serious competition"?
:) I'm sure Apple are enjoying the revenue from the product - you don't need to be one of the biggest in the market to make money.Don't get me wrong, I agree with what you write about the risk of people losing interest in the Iphone, and yet more competition from Android - I would never buy a locked down platform either, and it scares me that such a thing might become normal practice in mobile computing.
But don't forget there are plenty of alternatives here already, which people are already buying.
It's just that the Iphone gets a disproportionate amount of media coverage (especially here on Slashdot - I mean, people start joking about the Daily Iphone Slashvertisement, but it's stopped being funny... Hell, today as well as the obligatory story, we've enough one that mentions the Iphone, with an additional two more Apple stories on top.
When was the last time you saw an story for say Nokia?
)But yes, hopefully open solutions will win in the end.
It annoys me that many phones are rather locked down - albeit nowhere near to the extent of the Iphone.
That's why I'm glad that netbooks have appeared - maybe not replacements for phones, but they allow mobile computing with all the benefits and openness of ordinary PCs.It's just sad that Slashdot, which was once a place devoted to open systems, now focuses almost solely on the most closed platfom in this market.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30261020</id>
	<title>Re:No</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259506560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Basic functionality? I wasn't aware it was missing any. I think you meant to say specific functionality, as they have all of the basics covered in spades...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Basic functionality ?
I was n't aware it was missing any .
I think you meant to say specific functionality , as they have all of the basics covered in spades.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Basic functionality?
I wasn't aware it was missing any.
I think you meant to say specific functionality, as they have all of the basics covered in spades...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30260226</id>
	<title>Re:A serious black eye</title>
	<author>indiechild</author>
	<datestamp>1259495820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apple took a beating precisely because they chose to dabble in the Mac clone market. That's a mistake that Steve Jobs will never make, hence why you will not see Mac OS X licensed and sold for generic non-Apple x86 PCs.</p><p>You'd be a complete fool to sell Apple stock now. Apple is set to get stronger than ever before.</p><p>Apple isn't doing anything different than what it has been doing ever since Jobs came back to captain the ship. It's the epitome of Steve Jobs' business strategy: make high quality, premium products which focus on great user interfaces and usability. Apple products will not be open and highly customisable as long as Jobs remains in charge. I think it's working very well for them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple took a beating precisely because they chose to dabble in the Mac clone market .
That 's a mistake that Steve Jobs will never make , hence why you will not see Mac OS X licensed and sold for generic non-Apple x86 PCs.You 'd be a complete fool to sell Apple stock now .
Apple is set to get stronger than ever before.Apple is n't doing anything different than what it has been doing ever since Jobs came back to captain the ship .
It 's the epitome of Steve Jobs ' business strategy : make high quality , premium products which focus on great user interfaces and usability .
Apple products will not be open and highly customisable as long as Jobs remains in charge .
I think it 's working very well for them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple took a beating precisely because they chose to dabble in the Mac clone market.
That's a mistake that Steve Jobs will never make, hence why you will not see Mac OS X licensed and sold for generic non-Apple x86 PCs.You'd be a complete fool to sell Apple stock now.
Apple is set to get stronger than ever before.Apple isn't doing anything different than what it has been doing ever since Jobs came back to captain the ship.
It's the epitome of Steve Jobs' business strategy: make high quality, premium products which focus on great user interfaces and usability.
Apple products will not be open and highly customisable as long as Jobs remains in charge.
I think it's working very well for them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30259662</id>
	<title>there's an app for finding a new home?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259525760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>oh, wait...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>oh , wait.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>oh, wait...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30260992</id>
	<title>Re:A serious black eye</title>
	<author>smitty777</author>
	<datestamp>1259506200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>For those playing along at home...</i></p><p>Dude, is there an app for that?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For those playing along at home...Dude , is there an app for that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> For those playing along at home...Dude, is there an app for that?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30259798</id>
	<title>Re:A serious black eye</title>
	<author>binarylarry</author>
	<datestamp>1259486160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except now "PC" is called "Android."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except now " PC " is called " Android .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except now "PC" is called "Android.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30260292</id>
	<title>Re:No</title>
	<author>war4peace</author>
	<datestamp>1259496780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well I say it was about bloody time customers are offered an alternative. And I'm speaking from a general point of view (I don't have a Mac, don't have an iPhone and won't buy any in the foreseeable future). It's generally good for society to be presented alternatives. I would hate it to be forced to go to Microsoft website to get any Windows applications, and not have a choice but to go there.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well I say it was about bloody time customers are offered an alternative .
And I 'm speaking from a general point of view ( I do n't have a Mac , do n't have an iPhone and wo n't buy any in the foreseeable future ) .
It 's generally good for society to be presented alternatives .
I would hate it to be forced to go to Microsoft website to get any Windows applications , and not have a choice but to go there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well I say it was about bloody time customers are offered an alternative.
And I'm speaking from a general point of view (I don't have a Mac, don't have an iPhone and won't buy any in the foreseeable future).
It's generally good for society to be presented alternatives.
I would hate it to be forced to go to Microsoft website to get any Windows applications, and not have a choice but to go there.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30261262</id>
	<title>Re:Article title correction</title>
	<author>tresstatus</author>
	<datestamp>1259509080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>well... not exactly.  if you are jailbroken, you can use cydia to download and install apps that might have been rejected.  there usually is no mention as to if the apps have been rejected or not, but there are tons of apps that WOULD be rejected if they were submitted to apple.</htmltext>
<tokenext>well... not exactly .
if you are jailbroken , you can use cydia to download and install apps that might have been rejected .
there usually is no mention as to if the apps have been rejected or not , but there are tons of apps that WOULD be rejected if they were submitted to apple .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>well... not exactly.
if you are jailbroken, you can use cydia to download and install apps that might have been rejected.
there usually is no mention as to if the apps have been rejected or not, but there are tons of apps that WOULD be rejected if they were submitted to apple.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30259866</id>
	<title>Countdown</title>
	<author>bytesex</author>
	<datestamp>1259487660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lawsuits and API changes in 3.. 2.. 1..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lawsuits and API changes in 3.. 2.. 1. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lawsuits and API changes in 3.. 2.. 1..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30263526</id>
	<title>Re:No</title>
	<author>jschottm</author>
	<datestamp>1259486460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I would hate it to be forced to go to Microsoft website to get any Windows applications, and not have a choice but to go there.</i></p><p>Then don't buy a Microsoft product (in that scenario).  Don't buy an iPhone.  No one is holding a gun to anyone's head and forcing them to buy an iPhone.  Vote with your (you being society in general, not you specifically) rather than giving companies a perverse incentive to keep doing what they're doing.  If every person who WANTWANTWANTS an iPhone instead purchased an open platform, providing development dollars to the companies who treat the consumers with respect, we'd all be better off.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would hate it to be forced to go to Microsoft website to get any Windows applications , and not have a choice but to go there.Then do n't buy a Microsoft product ( in that scenario ) .
Do n't buy an iPhone .
No one is holding a gun to anyone 's head and forcing them to buy an iPhone .
Vote with your ( you being society in general , not you specifically ) rather than giving companies a perverse incentive to keep doing what they 're doing .
If every person who WANTWANTWANTS an iPhone instead purchased an open platform , providing development dollars to the companies who treat the consumers with respect , we 'd all be better off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would hate it to be forced to go to Microsoft website to get any Windows applications, and not have a choice but to go there.Then don't buy a Microsoft product (in that scenario).
Don't buy an iPhone.
No one is holding a gun to anyone's head and forcing them to buy an iPhone.
Vote with your (you being society in general, not you specifically) rather than giving companies a perverse incentive to keep doing what they're doing.
If every person who WANTWANTWANTS an iPhone instead purchased an open platform, providing development dollars to the companies who treat the consumers with respect, we'd all be better off.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30264592</id>
	<title>It's like the chemistry.com</title>
	<author>margaret</author>
	<datestamp>1259496900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>for apps</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>for apps</tokentext>
<sentencetext>for apps</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30260230</id>
	<title>Re:there's an app for finding a new home?</title>
	<author>ja</author>
	<datestamp>1259495880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This would have been such an excellent application for the homeless, somebody please write it<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... and why not "Save a Whale" and "Feed the World" while you are at it?</htmltext>
<tokenext>This would have been such an excellent application for the homeless , somebody please write it ... and why not " Save a Whale " and " Feed the World " while you are at it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This would have been such an excellent application for the homeless, somebody please write it ... and why not "Save a Whale" and "Feed the World" while you are at it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30261864</id>
	<title>Re:A serious black eye</title>
	<author>gyrogeerloose</author>
	<datestamp>1259515020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I don't know what Apple is thinking. Up until now, it's all been good for them because of the lack of serious competition. With Android-based phones cranking up, how long will it be before Apple loses their market share due to these shenanigans?</p></div><p>Android is not and was never intended to be an iPhone competitor. Check out the specs and you'll see that it's really targeted as a replacement for Windows Mobile and was specifically designed to run on existing hardware that's currently running WM.</p><p>As far as software stores goes, Android is no threat to the iPhone. By design, apps for Android have to fit into onboard storage; they are not allowed to run from add-on memory cards. Since Android itself uses up over 300MB, users are pretty limited in what they can run and any complex game is out of the question.</p><p> Android will no doubt do well in it's intended task of killing Windows Mobile (which is not a bad thing at all) and may eventually have a larger market share than the iPhone, but that will be a market of cheaper, less capable smart phones. It will not cut into the iPhone's key market all.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know what Apple is thinking .
Up until now , it 's all been good for them because of the lack of serious competition .
With Android-based phones cranking up , how long will it be before Apple loses their market share due to these shenanigans ? Android is not and was never intended to be an iPhone competitor .
Check out the specs and you 'll see that it 's really targeted as a replacement for Windows Mobile and was specifically designed to run on existing hardware that 's currently running WM.As far as software stores goes , Android is no threat to the iPhone .
By design , apps for Android have to fit into onboard storage ; they are not allowed to run from add-on memory cards .
Since Android itself uses up over 300MB , users are pretty limited in what they can run and any complex game is out of the question .
Android will no doubt do well in it 's intended task of killing Windows Mobile ( which is not a bad thing at all ) and may eventually have a larger market share than the iPhone , but that will be a market of cheaper , less capable smart phones .
It will not cut into the iPhone 's key market all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know what Apple is thinking.
Up until now, it's all been good for them because of the lack of serious competition.
With Android-based phones cranking up, how long will it be before Apple loses their market share due to these shenanigans?Android is not and was never intended to be an iPhone competitor.
Check out the specs and you'll see that it's really targeted as a replacement for Windows Mobile and was specifically designed to run on existing hardware that's currently running WM.As far as software stores goes, Android is no threat to the iPhone.
By design, apps for Android have to fit into onboard storage; they are not allowed to run from add-on memory cards.
Since Android itself uses up over 300MB, users are pretty limited in what they can run and any complex game is out of the question.
Android will no doubt do well in it's intended task of killing Windows Mobile (which is not a bad thing at all) and may eventually have a larger market share than the iPhone, but that will be a market of cheaper, less capable smart phones.
It will not cut into the iPhone's key market all.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30259684</id>
	<title>Slashdoted?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259526060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As in coo-ed over, dressed up, and shown off to everyone at church on Sunday? That kind of doting?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As in coo-ed over , dressed up , and shown off to everyone at church on Sunday ?
That kind of doting ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As in coo-ed over, dressed up, and shown off to everyone at church on Sunday?
That kind of doting?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30261040</id>
	<title>Re:Insightful? I beg your pardon?</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1259506740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Indeed - it won't crush Apple, because there's nothing to crush in this market. They'll go from having a few per cent market share, to having a few per cent market share.</p><p>Conceivably it might lessen the marketing hype - I mean, when every other phone is now running Android (not to mention that Google themselves seem to have some success at getting media attention, whilst Nokia etc are virtually ignored), then this might change things. Also you shouldn't underestimate the knock on effects, in that when you've got a large number of phones on the same system, developers and users are going to be far more likely to target it than they are now, which could mean Apple losing share.</p><p>Consider that 15-25 years ago, there were lots more alternatives to Windows. Today they have over 90\% market share. Yes, alternatives are not totally gone, but the share of alternative platforms seems much lower than it was.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed - it wo n't crush Apple , because there 's nothing to crush in this market .
They 'll go from having a few per cent market share , to having a few per cent market share.Conceivably it might lessen the marketing hype - I mean , when every other phone is now running Android ( not to mention that Google themselves seem to have some success at getting media attention , whilst Nokia etc are virtually ignored ) , then this might change things .
Also you should n't underestimate the knock on effects , in that when you 've got a large number of phones on the same system , developers and users are going to be far more likely to target it than they are now , which could mean Apple losing share.Consider that 15-25 years ago , there were lots more alternatives to Windows .
Today they have over 90 \ % market share .
Yes , alternatives are not totally gone , but the share of alternative platforms seems much lower than it was .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed - it won't crush Apple, because there's nothing to crush in this market.
They'll go from having a few per cent market share, to having a few per cent market share.Conceivably it might lessen the marketing hype - I mean, when every other phone is now running Android (not to mention that Google themselves seem to have some success at getting media attention, whilst Nokia etc are virtually ignored), then this might change things.
Also you shouldn't underestimate the knock on effects, in that when you've got a large number of phones on the same system, developers and users are going to be far more likely to target it than they are now, which could mean Apple losing share.Consider that 15-25 years ago, there were lots more alternatives to Windows.
Today they have over 90\% market share.
Yes, alternatives are not totally gone, but the share of alternative platforms seems much lower than it was.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30261494</id>
	<title>Bass and Rankin FTW!</title>
	<author>StCredZero</author>
	<datestamp>1259511180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...that things from the Island of Misfit Toys probably weren't a good idea to begin with.</p></div><p>I came here for that reference!  A Bass and Rankin Christmas Special theme would be more interesting than what they have up there now, anyhow.</p><p>It would be seasonal, too!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...that things from the Island of Misfit Toys probably were n't a good idea to begin with.I came here for that reference !
A Bass and Rankin Christmas Special theme would be more interesting than what they have up there now , anyhow.It would be seasonal , too !</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...that things from the Island of Misfit Toys probably weren't a good idea to begin with.I came here for that reference!
A Bass and Rankin Christmas Special theme would be more interesting than what they have up there now, anyhow.It would be seasonal, too!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30259710</id>
	<title>Article title correction</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259526540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"iPhone App Store Reject <i>Stories</i> Find a Home". Actual rejected apps are not available there, nor necessarily anywhere else.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" iPhone App Store Reject Stories Find a Home " .
Actual rejected apps are not available there , nor necessarily anywhere else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"iPhone App Store Reject Stories Find a Home".
Actual rejected apps are not available there, nor necessarily anywhere else.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30259928</id>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30260744</id>
	<title>Re:A serious black eye</title>
	<author>JimmyPorter</author>
	<datestamp>1259502900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>You know that old phrase about those who don't know their history being doomed to repeat it?</p></div></blockquote><p>

I do. But Jobs has been at Apple since day one, with an enforced break in the middle when he obviously also took a great personal interest in what Apple was doing. So he DOES know the history. History related to Apple - better than anyone on earth in fact.

They HAVEN'T been in exactly the same situation before. Hardware is not the same as software. If YOU look at the history of the console you'll see that having the hardware manufacturer as a gatekeeper who gets to decide which software is published, and takes a cut of the revenue, is not a losing strategy at all.  In fact the console games market is now bigger than the PC games market.

No doubt you do have friends that refuse to buy an iPhone for whatever reason.  But you'll also have friends who have happily bought an iPhone. I certainly have friends in both categories. But anecdotes prove nothing. Statistics do. And the relevant stats are sales figures.  iPhone is doing phenomenally well, huge growth with every passing quarter. And that's against other smartphones - Symbian, Windows Mobile, etc, that have had the freedom you want for many years.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You know that old phrase about those who do n't know their history being doomed to repeat it ?
I do .
But Jobs has been at Apple since day one , with an enforced break in the middle when he obviously also took a great personal interest in what Apple was doing .
So he DOES know the history .
History related to Apple - better than anyone on earth in fact .
They HAVE N'T been in exactly the same situation before .
Hardware is not the same as software .
If YOU look at the history of the console you 'll see that having the hardware manufacturer as a gatekeeper who gets to decide which software is published , and takes a cut of the revenue , is not a losing strategy at all .
In fact the console games market is now bigger than the PC games market .
No doubt you do have friends that refuse to buy an iPhone for whatever reason .
But you 'll also have friends who have happily bought an iPhone .
I certainly have friends in both categories .
But anecdotes prove nothing .
Statistics do .
And the relevant stats are sales figures .
iPhone is doing phenomenally well , huge growth with every passing quarter .
And that 's against other smartphones - Symbian , Windows Mobile , etc , that have had the freedom you want for many years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know that old phrase about those who don't know their history being doomed to repeat it?
I do.
But Jobs has been at Apple since day one, with an enforced break in the middle when he obviously also took a great personal interest in what Apple was doing.
So he DOES know the history.
History related to Apple - better than anyone on earth in fact.
They HAVEN'T been in exactly the same situation before.
Hardware is not the same as software.
If YOU look at the history of the console you'll see that having the hardware manufacturer as a gatekeeper who gets to decide which software is published, and takes a cut of the revenue, is not a losing strategy at all.
In fact the console games market is now bigger than the PC games market.
No doubt you do have friends that refuse to buy an iPhone for whatever reason.
But you'll also have friends who have happily bought an iPhone.
I certainly have friends in both categories.
But anecdotes prove nothing.
Statistics do.
And the relevant stats are sales figures.
iPhone is doing phenomenally well, huge growth with every passing quarter.
And that's against other smartphones - Symbian, Windows Mobile, etc, that have had the freedom you want for many years.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30259796</id>
	<title>Sweet TV commericals ahead!</title>
	<author>binarylarry</author>
	<datestamp>1259486100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm a mac.</p><p>I'm a PC.</p><p>and I'm here to serve you a fucking isummons to court for violating our EULA. Oh whats that bitch? Did I hear you say PsyStar? Thought so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a mac.I 'm a PC.and I 'm here to serve you a fucking isummons to court for violating our EULA .
Oh whats that bitch ?
Did I hear you say PsyStar ?
Thought so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a mac.I'm a PC.and I'm here to serve you a fucking isummons to court for violating our EULA.
Oh whats that bitch?
Did I hear you say PsyStar?
Thought so.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30264854</id>
	<title>Re:there's an app for finding a new home?</title>
	<author>DavidTC</author>
	<datestamp>1259499360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>'iPhone' can also be a verb without too much work. (phone already is.)</p><p>
Perhaps a comma was missing and it should have read:</p><p>
[implied I] iPhone App Store Rejects, Find a New Home.</p><p>
I.e., perhaps someone was looking for a new place for their app, and looked in the phone book and found a place called "App Store Rejects".</p><p>
So they meant: 'I called (on my iPhone, and I am a Apple brand whore), a place called "App Store Rejects", and I found a new home for my app by doing that'.</p><p>
(Or perhaps it was 'ape store reject', and that was a typo, and the story is about calling about animals being turned out from pet stores.)</p><p>
Or perhaps it was actually:<br>
iPhone, Apps Store Rejects, Find[s] a New Home</p><p>
With two missing commas and some subject/verb disagreement, it would fit right in as a slashdot headline. And of course they rejected an iPhone, it's a download store, you can't sell used iPhones on it.</p><p>
Every time I read headlines, I think about the Discworld book 'The Truth' and the hilarious comments about headlines in it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>'iPhone ' can also be a verb without too much work .
( phone already is .
) Perhaps a comma was missing and it should have read : [ implied I ] iPhone App Store Rejects , Find a New Home .
I.e. , perhaps someone was looking for a new place for their app , and looked in the phone book and found a place called " App Store Rejects " .
So they meant : 'I called ( on my iPhone , and I am a Apple brand whore ) , a place called " App Store Rejects " , and I found a new home for my app by doing that' .
( Or perhaps it was 'ape store reject ' , and that was a typo , and the story is about calling about animals being turned out from pet stores .
) Or perhaps it was actually : iPhone , Apps Store Rejects , Find [ s ] a New Home With two missing commas and some subject/verb disagreement , it would fit right in as a slashdot headline .
And of course they rejected an iPhone , it 's a download store , you ca n't sell used iPhones on it .
Every time I read headlines , I think about the Discworld book 'The Truth ' and the hilarious comments about headlines in it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'iPhone' can also be a verb without too much work.
(phone already is.
)
Perhaps a comma was missing and it should have read:
[implied I] iPhone App Store Rejects, Find a New Home.
I.e., perhaps someone was looking for a new place for their app, and looked in the phone book and found a place called "App Store Rejects".
So they meant: 'I called (on my iPhone, and I am a Apple brand whore), a place called "App Store Rejects", and I found a new home for my app by doing that'.
(Or perhaps it was 'ape store reject', and that was a typo, and the story is about calling about animals being turned out from pet stores.
)
Or perhaps it was actually:
iPhone, Apps Store Rejects, Find[s] a New Home
With two missing commas and some subject/verb disagreement, it would fit right in as a slashdot headline.
And of course they rejected an iPhone, it's a download store, you can't sell used iPhones on it.
Every time I read headlines, I think about the Discworld book 'The Truth' and the hilarious comments about headlines in it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30260108</id>
	<title>Re:A serious black eye</title>
	<author>srussia</author>
	<datestamp>1259494020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So is the salondesrefus&#233;s.com domain still available?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So is the salondesrefus   s.com domain still available ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So is the salondesrefusés.com domain still available?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30259962</id>
	<title>iPhone's apple-sauce of fail.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259490720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why would anyone invest a non-trivial amount of time or money developing iPhone apps knowing their apps could be rejected at Apple's whim.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would anyone invest a non-trivial amount of time or money developing iPhone apps knowing their apps could be rejected at Apple 's whim .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would anyone invest a non-trivial amount of time or money developing iPhone apps knowing their apps could be rejected at Apple's whim.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30259656</id>
	<title>eat my shorts slashsot !!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259525700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Eat my shorts slashsot !!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Eat my shorts slashsot !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Eat my shorts slashsot !
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30260786</id>
	<title>Re:there's an app for finding a new home?</title>
	<author>coolforsale133</author>
	<datestamp>1259503620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30261740</id>
	<title>Re:No</title>
	<author>TheLink</author>
	<datestamp>1259513880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; It's generally good for society to be presented alternatives.</p><p>Only if the alternatives aren't crap. Better useful options = good. Only one option = usually bad (but not always<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;) ). Lots of crappy options = bad.</p><p>Having lots of spam in mailboxes providing people with more choices = bad.</p><p>More crappy options = higher chance for people to make the wrong decisions. If a user interface presented new users with zillions of choices, choices that they know nothing about it does not help them. Pushing alternatives to a screen that "noobs" don't see (and will "never" encounter on their own) = making the choice for them = less choices for them.</p><p>And if happiness is considered an important factor see:<br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTO\_dZUvbJA" title="youtube.com">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTO\_dZUvbJA</a> [youtube.com]<br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO6XEQIsCoM" title="youtube.com">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO6XEQIsCoM</a> [youtube.com]</p><p>And: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Paradox\_of\_Choice" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Paradox\_of\_Choice</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; It 's generally good for society to be presented alternatives.Only if the alternatives are n't crap .
Better useful options = good .
Only one option = usually bad ( but not always ; ) ) .
Lots of crappy options = bad.Having lots of spam in mailboxes providing people with more choices = bad.More crappy options = higher chance for people to make the wrong decisions .
If a user interface presented new users with zillions of choices , choices that they know nothing about it does not help them .
Pushing alternatives to a screen that " noobs " do n't see ( and will " never " encounter on their own ) = making the choice for them = less choices for them.And if happiness is considered an important factor see : http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = LTO \ _dZUvbJA [ youtube.com ] http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = VO6XEQIsCoM [ youtube.com ] And : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The \ _Paradox \ _of \ _Choice [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; It's generally good for society to be presented alternatives.Only if the alternatives aren't crap.
Better useful options = good.
Only one option = usually bad (but not always ;) ).
Lots of crappy options = bad.Having lots of spam in mailboxes providing people with more choices = bad.More crappy options = higher chance for people to make the wrong decisions.
If a user interface presented new users with zillions of choices, choices that they know nothing about it does not help them.
Pushing alternatives to a screen that "noobs" don't see (and will "never" encounter on their own) = making the choice for them = less choices for them.And if happiness is considered an important factor see:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTO\_dZUvbJA [youtube.com]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO6XEQIsCoM [youtube.com]And: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Paradox\_of\_Choice [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30259980</id>
	<title>Re:I thought we all learned</title>
	<author>Tablizer</author>
	<datestamp>1259491080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>...that things from the Island of Misfit Toys probably weren't a good idea to begin with.</p></div></blockquote><p>There's actually a recent "Misfit" spoof ad bashing iPhone's coverage:</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JgrBtn8XdU" title="youtube.com">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JgrBtn8XdU</a> [youtube.com]<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;</p></div>
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<tokenext>...that things from the Island of Misfit Toys probably were n't a good idea to begin with.There 's actually a recent " Misfit " spoof ad bashing iPhone 's coverage : http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = 4JgrBtn8XdU [ youtube.com ]    </tokentext>
<sentencetext>...that things from the Island of Misfit Toys probably weren't a good idea to begin with.There's actually a recent "Misfit" spoof ad bashing iPhone's coverage:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JgrBtn8XdU [youtube.com]
   
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30259994</id>
	<title>Re:Hello Editor. Did you RTFA?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259491440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The story was posted by kdawson, so no, the editor did not read it. He is by far the worst editor on Slashdot and yet they refuse to get rid of him.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The story was posted by kdawson , so no , the editor did not read it .
He is by far the worst editor on Slashdot and yet they refuse to get rid of him .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The story was posted by kdawson, so no, the editor did not read it.
He is by far the worst editor on Slashdot and yet they refuse to get rid of him.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30259794</id>
	<title>Re:A serious black eye</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259486100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You know that old phrase about those who don't know their history being doomed to repeat it?</p><p>I don't know what Apple is thinking.  Up until now, it's all been good for them because of the lack of serious competition.</p></div><p>Although I don't keep up too much with Apple, my best guess would be that they're still high from the afterglow due to the success of the iPod/ITMS.</p><p>I could see how a company would think that they could do no wrong after looking at the sales numbers they've had for, what, nearly a decade?</p></div>
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<tokenext>You know that old phrase about those who do n't know their history being doomed to repeat it ? I do n't know what Apple is thinking .
Up until now , it 's all been good for them because of the lack of serious competition.Although I do n't keep up too much with Apple , my best guess would be that they 're still high from the afterglow due to the success of the iPod/ITMS.I could see how a company would think that they could do no wrong after looking at the sales numbers they 've had for , what , nearly a decade ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know that old phrase about those who don't know their history being doomed to repeat it?I don't know what Apple is thinking.
Up until now, it's all been good for them because of the lack of serious competition.Although I don't keep up too much with Apple, my best guess would be that they're still high from the afterglow due to the success of the iPod/ITMS.I could see how a company would think that they could do no wrong after looking at the sales numbers they've had for, what, nearly a decade?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30259948</id>
	<title>Re:A serious black eye</title>
	<author>ZmeiGorynych</author>
	<datestamp>1259490420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yup, agree completely. As cute as some iPhone functionality is, I've heard enough bad press about how Apple handles its developers (and had enough bad experiences of my own with an iPod earlier), that there's no way in hell I'm buying one. Thanks goodness the Nokia n900 is coming out - in spite of all the rough edges I'm sure it'll have, that's the one I'm going for (and me wife is getting one too;) ). And I'm not alone in that among my friends, either.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yup , agree completely .
As cute as some iPhone functionality is , I 've heard enough bad press about how Apple handles its developers ( and had enough bad experiences of my own with an iPod earlier ) , that there 's no way in hell I 'm buying one .
Thanks goodness the Nokia n900 is coming out - in spite of all the rough edges I 'm sure it 'll have , that 's the one I 'm going for ( and me wife is getting one too ; ) ) .
And I 'm not alone in that among my friends , either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yup, agree completely.
As cute as some iPhone functionality is, I've heard enough bad press about how Apple handles its developers (and had enough bad experiences of my own with an iPod earlier), that there's no way in hell I'm buying one.
Thanks goodness the Nokia n900 is coming out - in spite of all the rough edges I'm sure it'll have, that's the one I'm going for (and me wife is getting one too;) ).
And I'm not alone in that among my friends, either.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30259916</id>
	<title>Re:A serious black eye</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259489100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You may not be a hater, but if you can't see why Android has not yet, but is going to explode in the very near future and eclipse iPhone, then you're a fanboy of the first degree. The next 12 months are going to be painful for you, and every other fanboy like you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You may not be a hater , but if you ca n't see why Android has not yet , but is going to explode in the very near future and eclipse iPhone , then you 're a fanboy of the first degree .
The next 12 months are going to be painful for you , and every other fanboy like you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You may not be a hater, but if you can't see why Android has not yet, but is going to explode in the very near future and eclipse iPhone, then you're a fanboy of the first degree.
The next 12 months are going to be painful for you, and every other fanboy like you.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30262108</id>
	<title>Re:A serious black eye</title>
	<author>Richard\_at\_work</author>
	<datestamp>1259516940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><blockquote><div><p>so wheres the equivalent Android sales explosion?</p></div></blockquote><p>

So what you are trying to say is that any product that does not sell out on the first day is doomed to failure?</p></div><p>No, Im wondering why there wasn't the same sudden rush to the Android platform that the iPhone enjoyed, if Android is supposedly so much better?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Slow and steady wins the race.</p> </div><p>Slow and steady wins the race?  In kindergarten maybe, but in the real world slow and steady means low market penetration for years, while your quick competitor builds critical mass years before you.  It also isn't mutually exclusive - Apple can be quick to begin with, and then slow and steady later on.  Which runner is in front then?</p><p>This isn't an endurance race, its a sprint - build that market share, build the revenue streams surrounding the market share, and *then* keep it.  But if you don't build it first, then theres nothing to keep.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Analysts are predicting 2012 for Android to routinely outsell the iphone.</p> </div><p>Predicting.  Based on what I have yet to see explained.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>What you also have to remember is that almost anyone who wants an iphone has one, as of July 2010 it will have been released in every western nation for two years which is the standard plan length in our nations. This is going to affect iphone sales a lot.</p></div><p>And yet the iPhone is still selling extremely well, and has sold massively well in pretty much every quarter since it was released.  Not everyone ran out at the start and bought the iPhone, and not everyone upgraded to the new models when given the opportunity.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>the iphone didn't take that much away from competitors, certainly the likes of RIM and NOKIA aren't hurting, the iphone hasn't taken much from the smart phone market, most of the iphones market share comes from the consumer phone market.</p></div><p>Hmm, so where did the millions of iPhone users and a not insignificant market share come from?  The Easter Bunny?  It came from the competitors, the market didn't suddenly increase because of the iPhone.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I have to wonder how you came to that conclusion, you seem to have a pretty fixed opinion about Android despite never actually using it?</p></div><p>Funnily enough, I can have an opinion on a situation without having an opinion on the product.  The two are not intertwined and I don't have any opinion about Android itself.</p></div>
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<tokenext>so wheres the equivalent Android sales explosion ?
So what you are trying to say is that any product that does not sell out on the first day is doomed to failure ? No , Im wondering why there was n't the same sudden rush to the Android platform that the iPhone enjoyed , if Android is supposedly so much better ? Slow and steady wins the race .
Slow and steady wins the race ?
In kindergarten maybe , but in the real world slow and steady means low market penetration for years , while your quick competitor builds critical mass years before you .
It also is n't mutually exclusive - Apple can be quick to begin with , and then slow and steady later on .
Which runner is in front then ? This is n't an endurance race , its a sprint - build that market share , build the revenue streams surrounding the market share , and * then * keep it .
But if you do n't build it first , then theres nothing to keep.Analysts are predicting 2012 for Android to routinely outsell the iphone .
Predicting. Based on what I have yet to see explained.What you also have to remember is that almost anyone who wants an iphone has one , as of July 2010 it will have been released in every western nation for two years which is the standard plan length in our nations .
This is going to affect iphone sales a lot.And yet the iPhone is still selling extremely well , and has sold massively well in pretty much every quarter since it was released .
Not everyone ran out at the start and bought the iPhone , and not everyone upgraded to the new models when given the opportunity.the iphone did n't take that much away from competitors , certainly the likes of RIM and NOKIA are n't hurting , the iphone has n't taken much from the smart phone market , most of the iphones market share comes from the consumer phone market.Hmm , so where did the millions of iPhone users and a not insignificant market share come from ?
The Easter Bunny ?
It came from the competitors , the market did n't suddenly increase because of the iPhone.I have to wonder how you came to that conclusion , you seem to have a pretty fixed opinion about Android despite never actually using it ? Funnily enough , I can have an opinion on a situation without having an opinion on the product .
The two are not intertwined and I do n't have any opinion about Android itself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>so wheres the equivalent Android sales explosion?
So what you are trying to say is that any product that does not sell out on the first day is doomed to failure?No, Im wondering why there wasn't the same sudden rush to the Android platform that the iPhone enjoyed, if Android is supposedly so much better?Slow and steady wins the race.
Slow and steady wins the race?
In kindergarten maybe, but in the real world slow and steady means low market penetration for years, while your quick competitor builds critical mass years before you.
It also isn't mutually exclusive - Apple can be quick to begin with, and then slow and steady later on.
Which runner is in front then?This isn't an endurance race, its a sprint - build that market share, build the revenue streams surrounding the market share, and *then* keep it.
But if you don't build it first, then theres nothing to keep.Analysts are predicting 2012 for Android to routinely outsell the iphone.
Predicting.  Based on what I have yet to see explained.What you also have to remember is that almost anyone who wants an iphone has one, as of July 2010 it will have been released in every western nation for two years which is the standard plan length in our nations.
This is going to affect iphone sales a lot.And yet the iPhone is still selling extremely well, and has sold massively well in pretty much every quarter since it was released.
Not everyone ran out at the start and bought the iPhone, and not everyone upgraded to the new models when given the opportunity.the iphone didn't take that much away from competitors, certainly the likes of RIM and NOKIA aren't hurting, the iphone hasn't taken much from the smart phone market, most of the iphones market share comes from the consumer phone market.Hmm, so where did the millions of iPhone users and a not insignificant market share come from?
The Easter Bunny?
It came from the competitors, the market didn't suddenly increase because of the iPhone.I have to wonder how you came to that conclusion, you seem to have a pretty fixed opinion about Android despite never actually using it?Funnily enough, I can have an opinion on a situation without having an opinion on the product.
The two are not intertwined and I don't have any opinion about Android itself.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30259704</id>
	<title>I thought we all learned</title>
	<author>mdenham</author>
	<datestamp>1259526480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...that things from the Island of Misfit Toys probably weren't a good idea to begin with.</p><p>That said, is the person standing up for these apps equipped with a red nose that glows and makes a buzzing noise?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...that things from the Island of Misfit Toys probably were n't a good idea to begin with.That said , is the person standing up for these apps equipped with a red nose that glows and makes a buzzing noise ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...that things from the Island of Misfit Toys probably weren't a good idea to begin with.That said, is the person standing up for these apps equipped with a red nose that glows and makes a buzzing noise?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30261048</id>
	<title>Ther's an App for That?</title>
	<author>smitty777</author>
	<datestamp>1259506800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There should be an app for getting rejected apps.  But then it would be rejected, and I'd have to use the app to get it.  Wait...my head hurts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There should be an app for getting rejected apps .
But then it would be rejected , and I 'd have to use the app to get it .
Wait...my head hurts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There should be an app for getting rejected apps.
But then it would be rejected, and I'd have to use the app to get it.
Wait...my head hurts.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30259690</id>
	<title>No</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259526300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not that the linked site appears to have much if anything to do with breaking the monopoly. The vast majority of iPhone apps are very inexpensive, so the only hope of making anything above hobby money as a developer is to be part of the Apple marketplace that offers tens of millions of potential customers. Not to mention the suspicion that people who jailbreak phones are likely to know how to pirate software as well, making them a less desirable market as well.</p><p>The site provides another forum to attempt to get Apple to reform its ways and to try to help each other figure out the sometimes murky meaning of the rejections.  There's no revolution there.  Until someone provides a real threat to Apple's hardware/software iPhone platform, it has no real motivation to mend its relationship with developers.</p><p>That said, karmic payoff may just bite them once there's that alternative.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not that the linked site appears to have much if anything to do with breaking the monopoly .
The vast majority of iPhone apps are very inexpensive , so the only hope of making anything above hobby money as a developer is to be part of the Apple marketplace that offers tens of millions of potential customers .
Not to mention the suspicion that people who jailbreak phones are likely to know how to pirate software as well , making them a less desirable market as well.The site provides another forum to attempt to get Apple to reform its ways and to try to help each other figure out the sometimes murky meaning of the rejections .
There 's no revolution there .
Until someone provides a real threat to Apple 's hardware/software iPhone platform , it has no real motivation to mend its relationship with developers.That said , karmic payoff may just bite them once there 's that alternative .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not that the linked site appears to have much if anything to do with breaking the monopoly.
The vast majority of iPhone apps are very inexpensive, so the only hope of making anything above hobby money as a developer is to be part of the Apple marketplace that offers tens of millions of potential customers.
Not to mention the suspicion that people who jailbreak phones are likely to know how to pirate software as well, making them a less desirable market as well.The site provides another forum to attempt to get Apple to reform its ways and to try to help each other figure out the sometimes murky meaning of the rejections.
There's no revolution there.
Until someone provides a real threat to Apple's hardware/software iPhone platform, it has no real motivation to mend its relationship with developers.That said, karmic payoff may just bite them once there's that alternative.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30259718</id>
	<title>Hello Editor. Did you RTFA?</title>
	<author>TubeSteak</author>
	<datestamp>1259526720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The summary implies that the website is going to be a home for rejected apps.<br>TFA shows that the site is there to collect information about <i>why</i> Apple rejected apps.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The summary implies that the website is going to be a home for rejected apps.TFA shows that the site is there to collect information about why Apple rejected apps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The summary implies that the website is going to be a home for rejected apps.TFA shows that the site is there to collect information about why Apple rejected apps.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30264364</id>
	<title>Re:A serious black eye</title>
	<author>Swift2001</author>
	<datestamp>1259494920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because it's "free." Wait till Google can no longer keep up the costs of development and starts charging for each copy, or throws in special ads when you start using it -- nice, big fat full-frame Flash animations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because it 's " free .
" Wait till Google can no longer keep up the costs of development and starts charging for each copy , or throws in special ads when you start using it -- nice , big fat full-frame Flash animations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because it's "free.
" Wait till Google can no longer keep up the costs of development and starts charging for each copy, or throws in special ads when you start using it -- nice, big fat full-frame Flash animations.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30263496</id>
	<title>Re:No</title>
	<author>jschottm</author>
	<datestamp>1259486160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not everyone, no.  But draw me a Venn diagram.  Make the center circle "People who know how to pirate iPhone apps" and the other two circles "People who have jailbroken iPhones" and "People who don't have jailbroken iPhones."  What does it look like?</p><p>The basic fact is that piracy is rampant in the iPhone world: <a href="http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/4194/iphone\_piracy\_the\_inside\_story.php" title="gamasutra.com">http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/4194/iphone\_piracy\_the\_inside\_story.php</a> [gamasutra.com]</p><p>Does it mean that you are doing it?  Of course not.  But it means that you're part of a demographic that isn't going to be tremendously sought after.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not everyone , no .
But draw me a Venn diagram .
Make the center circle " People who know how to pirate iPhone apps " and the other two circles " People who have jailbroken iPhones " and " People who do n't have jailbroken iPhones .
" What does it look like ? The basic fact is that piracy is rampant in the iPhone world : http : //www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/4194/iphone \ _piracy \ _the \ _inside \ _story.php [ gamasutra.com ] Does it mean that you are doing it ?
Of course not .
But it means that you 're part of a demographic that is n't going to be tremendously sought after .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not everyone, no.
But draw me a Venn diagram.
Make the center circle "People who know how to pirate iPhone apps" and the other two circles "People who have jailbroken iPhones" and "People who don't have jailbroken iPhones.
"  What does it look like?The basic fact is that piracy is rampant in the iPhone world: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/4194/iphone\_piracy\_the\_inside\_story.php [gamasutra.com]Does it mean that you are doing it?
Of course not.
But it means that you're part of a demographic that isn't going to be tremendously sought after.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_28_2056250.30263638</id>
	<title>Re:No</title>
	<author>jschottm</author>
	<datestamp>1259487960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>If having a much bigger market share (e.g., Nokia at 40\%, to Apple's few per cent) does not count as a "real threat", I am curious to hear what does?</i></p><p>In the US (yes,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. is international but the iPhone is a bit US-centric) smartphone market, Nokia is close to a non-player.</p><p><a href="http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/10/28/rim-and-apple-top-u-s-smartphone-market-share/" title="boygeniusreport.com">http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/10/28/rim-and-apple-top-u-s-smartphone-market-share/</a> [boygeniusreport.com]</p><p>RIM has 40\%, Apple has 30\%, Palm has 7\%.</p><p>Worldwide Nokia had 40\% of the smartphone market in Q4 2008 but that was with a 10\% drop from the previous quarter.</p><p>But see how I specified the hardware/software package?  Symbian is dying and Maemo has yet to catch on (witness the sales of the iPod touch compared to the Nokia handheld tablets).  How many people do you know who will say that developing for Symbian and Nokia phones is easy and a joy to do?  Look at the user interface experience.  Just about everyone who has an iPhone loves the interface.  The UI in most other phones is something that the user grudgingly puts up with, not whips out to show off to their friends.</p><p><i>(And if you have that low opinion of your potential customers - that if they modify their own product to get basic functionality to work, that Just Works on all other phones, then they must be pirates - then I have no sympathy if Apple rejects the "app" that you've spent months or years developing.)</i></p><p>As much as I love a good rant, I feel compelled to point out that I neither own an iPhone nor develop apps for them.</p><p>If you want the basic functionality that "just works" with everything else, buy that everything else.  Apple and AT&amp;T don't allow tethering.  So buy a phone that does.  No one is forcing anyone to get an iPhone.  Don't like the features?  Don't buy it.</p><p>As I linked to above (<a href="http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/4194/iphone\_piracy\_the\_inside\_story.php" title="gamasutra.com">reproduced here</a> [gamasutra.com]), there is a lot of piracy on iPhones and so far as I know, the only way to pirate on an iPhone is to jailbreak it.  There is a chunk of jailbreaking users who are pure of heart and are merely trying to violate the terms of service with Apple and/or AT&amp;T, but they're part of a demographic that is not all pure and shiny and a side effect of that is that they're not going to be highly sought after as customers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If having a much bigger market share ( e.g. , Nokia at 40 \ % , to Apple 's few per cent ) does not count as a " real threat " , I am curious to hear what does ? In the US ( yes , / .
is international but the iPhone is a bit US-centric ) smartphone market , Nokia is close to a non-player.http : //www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/10/28/rim-and-apple-top-u-s-smartphone-market-share/ [ boygeniusreport.com ] RIM has 40 \ % , Apple has 30 \ % , Palm has 7 \ % .Worldwide Nokia had 40 \ % of the smartphone market in Q4 2008 but that was with a 10 \ % drop from the previous quarter.But see how I specified the hardware/software package ?
Symbian is dying and Maemo has yet to catch on ( witness the sales of the iPod touch compared to the Nokia handheld tablets ) .
How many people do you know who will say that developing for Symbian and Nokia phones is easy and a joy to do ?
Look at the user interface experience .
Just about everyone who has an iPhone loves the interface .
The UI in most other phones is something that the user grudgingly puts up with , not whips out to show off to their friends .
( And if you have that low opinion of your potential customers - that if they modify their own product to get basic functionality to work , that Just Works on all other phones , then they must be pirates - then I have no sympathy if Apple rejects the " app " that you 've spent months or years developing .
) As much as I love a good rant , I feel compelled to point out that I neither own an iPhone nor develop apps for them.If you want the basic functionality that " just works " with everything else , buy that everything else .
Apple and AT&amp;T do n't allow tethering .
So buy a phone that does .
No one is forcing anyone to get an iPhone .
Do n't like the features ?
Do n't buy it.As I linked to above ( reproduced here [ gamasutra.com ] ) , there is a lot of piracy on iPhones and so far as I know , the only way to pirate on an iPhone is to jailbreak it .
There is a chunk of jailbreaking users who are pure of heart and are merely trying to violate the terms of service with Apple and/or AT&amp;T , but they 're part of a demographic that is not all pure and shiny and a side effect of that is that they 're not going to be highly sought after as customers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If having a much bigger market share (e.g., Nokia at 40\%, to Apple's few per cent) does not count as a "real threat", I am curious to hear what does?In the US (yes, /.
is international but the iPhone is a bit US-centric) smartphone market, Nokia is close to a non-player.http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/10/28/rim-and-apple-top-u-s-smartphone-market-share/ [boygeniusreport.com]RIM has 40\%, Apple has 30\%, Palm has 7\%.Worldwide Nokia had 40\% of the smartphone market in Q4 2008 but that was with a 10\% drop from the previous quarter.But see how I specified the hardware/software package?
Symbian is dying and Maemo has yet to catch on (witness the sales of the iPod touch compared to the Nokia handheld tablets).
How many people do you know who will say that developing for Symbian and Nokia phones is easy and a joy to do?
Look at the user interface experience.
Just about everyone who has an iPhone loves the interface.
The UI in most other phones is something that the user grudgingly puts up with, not whips out to show off to their friends.
(And if you have that low opinion of your potential customers - that if they modify their own product to get basic functionality to work, that Just Works on all other phones, then they must be pirates - then I have no sympathy if Apple rejects the "app" that you've spent months or years developing.
)As much as I love a good rant, I feel compelled to point out that I neither own an iPhone nor develop apps for them.If you want the basic functionality that "just works" with everything else, buy that everything else.
Apple and AT&amp;T don't allow tethering.
So buy a phone that does.
No one is forcing anyone to get an iPhone.
Don't like the features?
Don't buy it.As I linked to above (reproduced here [gamasutra.com]), there is a lot of piracy on iPhones and so far as I know, the only way to pirate on an iPhone is to jailbreak it.
There is a chunk of jailbreaking users who are pure of heart and are merely trying to violate the terms of service with Apple and/or AT&amp;T, but they're part of a demographic that is not all pure and shiny and a side effect of that is that they're not going to be highly sought after as customers.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Article title correction</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1259505360000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>There are rejected Iphone stories?? I thought putting in an obligitary Iphone mention was a guaranteed way to get a front page story, no matter how tenuous the link, or how trivial the story (remember the "You can view this website On Your Iphone" story? Something about parking tickets)...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are rejected Iphone stories ? ?
I thought putting in an obligitary Iphone mention was a guaranteed way to get a front page story , no matter how tenuous the link , or how trivial the story ( remember the " You can view this website On Your Iphone " story ?
Something about parking tickets ) .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are rejected Iphone stories??
I thought putting in an obligitary Iphone mention was a guaranteed way to get a front page story, no matter how tenuous the link, or how trivial the story (remember the "You can view this website On Your Iphone" story?
Something about parking tickets)...</sentencetext>
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