<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_27_150234</id>
	<title>EU About To Grant US Unlimited Access To Banking Data</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1259339580000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader points out a blog post reporting that on Monday The EU Council is set to give US intelligence services <a href="http://brusselsblogger.blogactiv.eu/2009/11/26/swift-eu-to-grant-usa-nearly-unlimited-access-to-all-eu-banking-data/">full access to SWIFT banking data</a>, despite a unanimous call by the European Parliament not to do so. <i>"The move of SWIFT the data server to Switzerland would be an excellent opportunity to stop the nearly unlimited access of US authorities on EU bank transactions. But EU justice and interior ministers are apparently keen [on agreeing to] a deal as soon as possible, on 30 November. Why 30 November? Because one day later, on 1 December 2009, the EU&rsquo;s Lisbon Treaty will be in force and would allow the European Parliament to play a major role in the negotiations of the deal with the US. A deal one day before will be a slap in the face to democracy in the EU. ... [W]hile the US will be able to access EU banking data, no access to US banking data by EU [authorities] is being foreseen."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader points out a blog post reporting that on Monday The EU Council is set to give US intelligence services full access to SWIFT banking data , despite a unanimous call by the European Parliament not to do so .
" The move of SWIFT the data server to Switzerland would be an excellent opportunity to stop the nearly unlimited access of US authorities on EU bank transactions .
But EU justice and interior ministers are apparently keen [ on agreeing to ] a deal as soon as possible , on 30 November .
Why 30 November ?
Because one day later , on 1 December 2009 , the EU    s Lisbon Treaty will be in force and would allow the European Parliament to play a major role in the negotiations of the deal with the US .
A deal one day before will be a slap in the face to democracy in the EU .
... [ W ] hile the US will be able to access EU banking data , no access to US banking data by EU [ authorities ] is being foreseen .
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<sentencetext>An anonymous reader points out a blog post reporting that on Monday The EU Council is set to give US intelligence services full access to SWIFT banking data, despite a unanimous call by the European Parliament not to do so.
"The move of SWIFT the data server to Switzerland would be an excellent opportunity to stop the nearly unlimited access of US authorities on EU bank transactions.
But EU justice and interior ministers are apparently keen [on agreeing to] a deal as soon as possible, on 30 November.
Why 30 November?
Because one day later, on 1 December 2009, the EU’s Lisbon Treaty will be in force and would allow the European Parliament to play a major role in the negotiations of the deal with the US.
A deal one day before will be a slap in the face to democracy in the EU.
... [W]hile the US will be able to access EU banking data, no access to US banking data by EU [authorities] is being foreseen.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246432</id>
	<title>About Time!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259343720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The tax cheats are going to have a much harder time when the want to park their money offshore.  This is really good news.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The tax cheats are going to have a much harder time when the want to park their money offshore .
This is really good news .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The tax cheats are going to have a much harder time when the want to park their money offshore.
This is really good news.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30247532</id>
	<title>Re:About Time!</title>
	<author>jipn4</author>
	<datestamp>1259351100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Is it worth catching corporate criminals at the cost of civil privacy?</i></p><p>There is very little "civil privacy" to lose for Europeans;  European governments already have access to this information about European citizens.</p><p>But if Europeans somehow take offense that the US specifically has access to this data (rather than just every podunk European government from olive country to the Baltic), they can take that complaint right back to their own politicians and companies: the only reason the US can demand this data is because it is held by a US subsidiary of a European company.  The US is fully within its rights that US subsidiaries comply with US laws, just like European subsidiaries of US companies have to comply with European laws, which are often in conflict with US privacy and worker protection laws.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it worth catching corporate criminals at the cost of civil privacy ? There is very little " civil privacy " to lose for Europeans ; European governments already have access to this information about European citizens.But if Europeans somehow take offense that the US specifically has access to this data ( rather than just every podunk European government from olive country to the Baltic ) , they can take that complaint right back to their own politicians and companies : the only reason the US can demand this data is because it is held by a US subsidiary of a European company .
The US is fully within its rights that US subsidiaries comply with US laws , just like European subsidiaries of US companies have to comply with European laws , which are often in conflict with US privacy and worker protection laws .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it worth catching corporate criminals at the cost of civil privacy?There is very little "civil privacy" to lose for Europeans;  European governments already have access to this information about European citizens.But if Europeans somehow take offense that the US specifically has access to this data (rather than just every podunk European government from olive country to the Baltic), they can take that complaint right back to their own politicians and companies: the only reason the US can demand this data is because it is held by a US subsidiary of a European company.
The US is fully within its rights that US subsidiaries comply with US laws, just like European subsidiaries of US companies have to comply with European laws, which are often in conflict with US privacy and worker protection laws.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246568</id>
	<title>Re:Good?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259344680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If fictional or semifictional books offer credence to an argument, then any argument is won simply by the existence of many enough authors who agree with it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If fictional or semifictional books offer credence to an argument , then any argument is won simply by the existence of many enough authors who agree with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If fictional or semifictional books offer credence to an argument, then any argument is won simply by the existence of many enough authors who agree with it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30258868</id>
	<title>Re:Prepare for 10,000 Accusations of ...</title>
	<author>WNight</author>
	<datestamp>1259426820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>However, all that data is going to contain the operations of some malicious organizations.</p></div><p>Or not. Malicious organizations are the likeliest to use encryption, innocent people the least.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>However , all that data is going to contain the operations of some malicious organizations.Or not .
Malicious organizations are the likeliest to use encryption , innocent people the least .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>However, all that data is going to contain the operations of some malicious organizations.Or not.
Malicious organizations are the likeliest to use encryption, innocent people the least.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246380</id>
	<title>Remember, remember...</title>
	<author>Elbart</author>
	<datestamp>1259343420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If that's not a coup from above, I don't know what is.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If that 's not a coup from above , I do n't know what is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If that's not a coup from above, I don't know what is.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30247866</id>
	<title>Re:Protip: Avoid banks at all cost!</title>
	<author>misexistentialist</author>
	<datestamp>1259353080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> One trick is to just always have as little "active"/paper money as possible</p></div><p>Done. Now I just have to ???? and I'll come out with a huge profit!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>One trick is to just always have as little " active " /paper money as possibleDone .
Now I just have to ? ? ? ?
and I 'll come out with a huge profit !</tokentext>
<sentencetext> One trick is to just always have as little "active"/paper money as possibleDone.
Now I just have to ????
and I'll come out with a huge profit!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30250786</id>
	<title>Re:Good?</title>
	<author>hguorbray</author>
	<datestamp>1259326140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>n.b for those few unititiated to the Illuminati. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati\_(game)<br><br>or World Finance History, 'the gnomes' is a reference to the legendary gnomes of zurich<br><br>http://www.investorwords.com/7929/Gnomes\_of\_Zurich.html<br><br>who are losing their invisibility piece by piece:<br><br>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c\_id=3&amp;objectid=10559415&amp;pnum=1<br><br>-I'm just sayin'</htmltext>
<tokenext>n.b for those few unititiated to the Illuminati .
http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati \ _ ( game ) or World Finance History , 'the gnomes ' is a reference to the legendary gnomes of zurichhttp : //www.investorwords.com/7929/Gnomes \ _of \ _Zurich.htmlwho are losing their invisibility piece by piece : http : //www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm ? c \ _id = 3&amp;objectid = 10559415&amp;pnum = 1-I 'm just sayin'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>n.b for those few unititiated to the Illuminati.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati\_(game)or World Finance History, 'the gnomes' is a reference to the legendary gnomes of zurichhttp://www.investorwords.com/7929/Gnomes\_of\_Zurich.htmlwho are losing their invisibility piece by piece:http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c\_id=3&amp;objectid=10559415&amp;pnum=1-I'm just sayin'</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246788</id>
	<title>Re:EU Has Finally and Completely Lost It</title>
	<author>Capt James McCarthy</author>
	<datestamp>1259346120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This all could have long grown out of war treaties from WWII perhaps?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This all could have long grown out of war treaties from WWII perhaps ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This all could have long grown out of war treaties from WWII perhaps?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246384</id>
	<title>Prepare for 10,000 Accusations of ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259343420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>

Wired money to Turkey?  Terrorist. <br> <br>

Unexplainable transfers of cash into your account from $MUSLIM\_STATE?  Terrorist operative.  <br> <br>

Bought floor tile from a man with the same surname as a well-known Taliban leader?  Suspected terrorist.  <br> <br>

etc.  <br> <br>

I mean, I'm all for national security and sharing information but what is so lacking about the EU's ability to make and investigate the above claims?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wired money to Turkey ?
Terrorist . Unexplainable transfers of cash into your account from $ MUSLIM \ _STATE ?
Terrorist operative .
Bought floor tile from a man with the same surname as a well-known Taliban leader ?
Suspected terrorist .
etc . I mean , I 'm all for national security and sharing information but what is so lacking about the EU 's ability to make and investigate the above claims ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>

Wired money to Turkey?
Terrorist.  

Unexplainable transfers of cash into your account from $MUSLIM\_STATE?
Terrorist operative.
Bought floor tile from a man with the same surname as a well-known Taliban leader?
Suspected terrorist.
etc.   

I mean, I'm all for national security and sharing information but what is so lacking about the EU's ability to make and investigate the above claims?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246606</id>
	<title>EU Has Finally and Completely Lost It</title>
	<author>MinistryOfTruthiness</author>
	<datestamp>1259344860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a US citizen, I say "WTF Europe -- are you insane?!"</p><p>I believe in the right of every country to protect their sovereignty, and this sound like a gigantic ceding of that sovereignty, and as egregious as the formation and delegation of power to the EU. The absolute best way to avoid tyranny on a massive scale is to ensure the distribution of power to the greatest extent possible. That's why I believe in states' rights, and why I believe Europe is being a bunch of asshats right now. I'm as patriotic as they come, but I understand the capability of anyone -- Americans as much as anyone else -- to become drunk with power.  In the same spirit, I applaud that no American financial data will be given to Europe. At least they got it half right.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a US citizen , I say " WTF Europe -- are you insane ? !
" I believe in the right of every country to protect their sovereignty , and this sound like a gigantic ceding of that sovereignty , and as egregious as the formation and delegation of power to the EU .
The absolute best way to avoid tyranny on a massive scale is to ensure the distribution of power to the greatest extent possible .
That 's why I believe in states ' rights , and why I believe Europe is being a bunch of asshats right now .
I 'm as patriotic as they come , but I understand the capability of anyone -- Americans as much as anyone else -- to become drunk with power .
In the same spirit , I applaud that no American financial data will be given to Europe .
At least they got it half right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a US citizen, I say "WTF Europe -- are you insane?!
"I believe in the right of every country to protect their sovereignty, and this sound like a gigantic ceding of that sovereignty, and as egregious as the formation and delegation of power to the EU.
The absolute best way to avoid tyranny on a massive scale is to ensure the distribution of power to the greatest extent possible.
That's why I believe in states' rights, and why I believe Europe is being a bunch of asshats right now.
I'm as patriotic as they come, but I understand the capability of anyone -- Americans as much as anyone else -- to become drunk with power.
In the same spirit, I applaud that no American financial data will be given to Europe.
At least they got it half right.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246492</id>
	<title>Re:About Time!</title>
	<author>Monkeedude1212</author>
	<datestamp>1259344140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is it worth catching corporate criminals at the cost of civil privacy?</p><p>Also, there are lots of ways around Taxation laws, legally, that require NO money off-shore. Using Charity receipts, holding companies, and company expenses, you can essentially cut your profits down so you don't get taxed as much while everything you want to purchase is owned by various companies (which you own but not directly).</p><p>It's kind of like you run company A, and Company B owns your car, Company C owns your house, Company D buys food, etc etc, and while the paper trail exists, theres nothing illegal about it. Shaw Communications (Cable company here in Canada) has mastered this technique. Yeah, the CEO is driving his Porsche around Calgary, but on paper he makes under 30k a year.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it worth catching corporate criminals at the cost of civil privacy ? Also , there are lots of ways around Taxation laws , legally , that require NO money off-shore .
Using Charity receipts , holding companies , and company expenses , you can essentially cut your profits down so you do n't get taxed as much while everything you want to purchase is owned by various companies ( which you own but not directly ) .It 's kind of like you run company A , and Company B owns your car , Company C owns your house , Company D buys food , etc etc , and while the paper trail exists , theres nothing illegal about it .
Shaw Communications ( Cable company here in Canada ) has mastered this technique .
Yeah , the CEO is driving his Porsche around Calgary , but on paper he makes under 30k a year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it worth catching corporate criminals at the cost of civil privacy?Also, there are lots of ways around Taxation laws, legally, that require NO money off-shore.
Using Charity receipts, holding companies, and company expenses, you can essentially cut your profits down so you don't get taxed as much while everything you want to purchase is owned by various companies (which you own but not directly).It's kind of like you run company A, and Company B owns your car, Company C owns your house, Company D buys food, etc etc, and while the paper trail exists, theres nothing illegal about it.
Shaw Communications (Cable company here in Canada) has mastered this technique.
Yeah, the CEO is driving his Porsche around Calgary, but on paper he makes under 30k a year.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30247382</id>
	<title>Especially since</title>
	<author>Sycraft-fu</author>
	<datestamp>1259350200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You have a situation of power with out accountability. When you own government can do something, the good news is that there is accountability. You, the people, have the ability to call them to account on it. Now it does seem that people often don't do that, but you can. For that matter the government itself can demand accountability. One branch can get the records and check up on another branch.</p><p>However all that goes away when you are talking about another government. The US government is not accountable to the people of Europe in any way shape or form. There is no ability for the Europeans to demand access to what is happening. The US can do as it pleases unless its own citizens demand some accountability, and why would they in this case? It isn't as though it targets them.</p><p>While I'm all about countries working together for law enforcement, I mean you don't want a criminal to just skip across a border and be free, it needs to go through the local governments and have oversight. So a bank info sharing setup might be a great idea. After all, hampering the flow of money from illegal activities is a major step to slowing down those activities. However said agreement should be set up such that countries request the data from each other, and that request is reviewed by some entitiy in that nation. Thus there is accountability to the citizens who it impacts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You have a situation of power with out accountability .
When you own government can do something , the good news is that there is accountability .
You , the people , have the ability to call them to account on it .
Now it does seem that people often do n't do that , but you can .
For that matter the government itself can demand accountability .
One branch can get the records and check up on another branch.However all that goes away when you are talking about another government .
The US government is not accountable to the people of Europe in any way shape or form .
There is no ability for the Europeans to demand access to what is happening .
The US can do as it pleases unless its own citizens demand some accountability , and why would they in this case ?
It is n't as though it targets them.While I 'm all about countries working together for law enforcement , I mean you do n't want a criminal to just skip across a border and be free , it needs to go through the local governments and have oversight .
So a bank info sharing setup might be a great idea .
After all , hampering the flow of money from illegal activities is a major step to slowing down those activities .
However said agreement should be set up such that countries request the data from each other , and that request is reviewed by some entitiy in that nation .
Thus there is accountability to the citizens who it impacts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You have a situation of power with out accountability.
When you own government can do something, the good news is that there is accountability.
You, the people, have the ability to call them to account on it.
Now it does seem that people often don't do that, but you can.
For that matter the government itself can demand accountability.
One branch can get the records and check up on another branch.However all that goes away when you are talking about another government.
The US government is not accountable to the people of Europe in any way shape or form.
There is no ability for the Europeans to demand access to what is happening.
The US can do as it pleases unless its own citizens demand some accountability, and why would they in this case?
It isn't as though it targets them.While I'm all about countries working together for law enforcement, I mean you don't want a criminal to just skip across a border and be free, it needs to go through the local governments and have oversight.
So a bank info sharing setup might be a great idea.
After all, hampering the flow of money from illegal activities is a major step to slowing down those activities.
However said agreement should be set up such that countries request the data from each other, and that request is reviewed by some entitiy in that nation.
Thus there is accountability to the citizens who it impacts.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246688</id>
	<title>Re:democracy?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259345520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>republic latin: A state 'of the people'<br>democracy greek: A state where 'the people' is ultimately the source of power.</p><p>So they mean the same in practise, like amber and electo it is just a matter of choice in ancient languages.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>republic latin : A state 'of the people'democracy greek : A state where 'the people ' is ultimately the source of power.So they mean the same in practise , like amber and electo it is just a matter of choice in ancient languages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>republic latin: A state 'of the people'democracy greek: A state where 'the people' is ultimately the source of power.So they mean the same in practise, like amber and electo it is just a matter of choice in ancient languages.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30247990</id>
	<title>Re:Anyone still not think they're in the US Empire</title>
	<author>Shakrai</author>
	<datestamp>1259353680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>wouldn't it be only fair ("all men are equal...") to give citizens of the colonies (= world - China) a vote in the US presidential election?</p></div><p>Sure.  As soon as you adopt the United States Constitution as the supreme law of your land.  That includes the parts of it that you might not necessarily approve of.  Personally I'd love to see the 2nd amendment applied to the European countries that have disarmed their populations and infringed on their citizens basic right of self-defense.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>would n't it be only fair ( " all men are equal... " ) to give citizens of the colonies ( = world - China ) a vote in the US presidential election ? Sure .
As soon as you adopt the United States Constitution as the supreme law of your land .
That includes the parts of it that you might not necessarily approve of .
Personally I 'd love to see the 2nd amendment applied to the European countries that have disarmed their populations and infringed on their citizens basic right of self-defense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>wouldn't it be only fair ("all men are equal...") to give citizens of the colonies (= world - China) a vote in the US presidential election?Sure.
As soon as you adopt the United States Constitution as the supreme law of your land.
That includes the parts of it that you might not necessarily approve of.
Personally I'd love to see the 2nd amendment applied to the European countries that have disarmed their populations and infringed on their citizens basic right of self-defense.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30247878</id>
	<title>Re:what makes you think anybody is denying this?</title>
	<author>marcosdumay</author>
	<datestamp>1259353080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>"First, the Europeans and Japanese aren't paying taxes to the US"</p><p>"Europeans and Japanese can rid themselves of US hegemony any time they choose by building up their own militaries and taking care of their own defense. The US not only won't object..."</p></div> </blockquote><p>Yeah, that makes me think who is denying it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" First , the Europeans and Japanese are n't paying taxes to the US " " Europeans and Japanese can rid themselves of US hegemony any time they choose by building up their own militaries and taking care of their own defense .
The US not only wo n't object... " Yeah , that makes me think who is denying it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"First, the Europeans and Japanese aren't paying taxes to the US""Europeans and Japanese can rid themselves of US hegemony any time they choose by building up their own militaries and taking care of their own defense.
The US not only won't object..." Yeah, that makes me think who is denying it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30251592</id>
	<title>Re:Anyone still not think they're in the US Empire</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259332080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've never heard of presidentelco's (theory?) that fixed-width columns are an eye-catcher (it DOES seem intuitively correct), but it's entirely possible that GP is using a WYSIWYG browser or text editor (that auto-wraps lines and inserts <br>s) and a skinny browser window or low(er) resolution. Or, he could be using the "Extrans" option for posting (I'm not sure how it works WRT line wrapping, since I use Plain Old Text).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've never heard of presidentelco 's ( theory ?
) that fixed-width columns are an eye-catcher ( it DOES seem intuitively correct ) , but it 's entirely possible that GP is using a WYSIWYG browser or text editor ( that auto-wraps lines and inserts s ) and a skinny browser window or low ( er ) resolution .
Or , he could be using the " Extrans " option for posting ( I 'm not sure how it works WRT line wrapping , since I use Plain Old Text ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've never heard of presidentelco's (theory?
) that fixed-width columns are an eye-catcher (it DOES seem intuitively correct), but it's entirely possible that GP is using a WYSIWYG browser or text editor (that auto-wraps lines and inserts s) and a skinny browser window or low(er) resolution.
Or, he could be using the "Extrans" option for posting (I'm not sure how it works WRT line wrapping, since I use Plain Old Text).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30247944</id>
	<title>Re:Protip: Avoid banks at all cost!</title>
	<author>marcosdumay</author>
	<datestamp>1259353440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>"Take an example economy 100 people. Now lend all 100 people 100 dollar at 1\% interest. Then they have to pay it back at the end. But they still will only have 100 times 100 dollar. So for 99 to pay the 101 dollar back, one of them has to go bankrupt."</p></div> </blockquote><p>Well, if your bank does not spend a penny, and get interest on every loan it makes, it will own the entire world's economy somewhen. Of course, the hard part is creating such a bank that doesn't spend any money.</p><p>By the way, no fiat money cited here. That works quite well with gold based money, or any other comodity.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Take an example economy 100 people .
Now lend all 100 people 100 dollar at 1 \ % interest .
Then they have to pay it back at the end .
But they still will only have 100 times 100 dollar .
So for 99 to pay the 101 dollar back , one of them has to go bankrupt .
" Well , if your bank does not spend a penny , and get interest on every loan it makes , it will own the entire world 's economy somewhen .
Of course , the hard part is creating such a bank that does n't spend any money.By the way , no fiat money cited here .
That works quite well with gold based money , or any other comodity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Take an example economy 100 people.
Now lend all 100 people 100 dollar at 1\% interest.
Then they have to pay it back at the end.
But they still will only have 100 times 100 dollar.
So for 99 to pay the 101 dollar back, one of them has to go bankrupt.
" Well, if your bank does not spend a penny, and get interest on every loan it makes, it will own the entire world's economy somewhen.
Of course, the hard part is creating such a bank that doesn't spend any money.By the way, no fiat money cited here.
That works quite well with gold based money, or any other comodity.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30247302</id>
	<title>Cool all that datamining</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259349600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So what stupid european company is selling stuff to "my clients", hum, at what price...</p><p>The "con" goes this way.</p><p>Hum Company "stupid enough to compete with US" could be bribing people, that would be baaaad...<br>So I'm allowed to look at their transaction datas.....</p><p>Ho strange they are not bribing people after all....</p><p>Ok, hum by the way during this investigation I accidentally noticed that they are selling a lot of stuff (paper napkins for instant) that an American company could sell also at a specific price.<br>Hum by the way it happen to be strategic for the US that we sell paper napkins...., so since it is strategic we can tell the company at what price the potentially but actually not but who cares european company sells paper napkins.</p><p>A froody good the nice US company can blast the bad (well actually not but they could have right) eurotrash company out of the market.</p><p>Profit</p><p>It sucks</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So what stupid european company is selling stuff to " my clients " , hum , at what price...The " con " goes this way.Hum Company " stupid enough to compete with US " could be bribing people , that would be baaaad...So I 'm allowed to look at their transaction datas.....Ho strange they are not bribing people after all....Ok , hum by the way during this investigation I accidentally noticed that they are selling a lot of stuff ( paper napkins for instant ) that an American company could sell also at a specific price.Hum by the way it happen to be strategic for the US that we sell paper napkins.... , so since it is strategic we can tell the company at what price the potentially but actually not but who cares european company sells paper napkins.A froody good the nice US company can blast the bad ( well actually not but they could have right ) eurotrash company out of the market.ProfitIt sucks</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So what stupid european company is selling stuff to "my clients", hum, at what price...The "con" goes this way.Hum Company "stupid enough to compete with US" could be bribing people, that would be baaaad...So I'm allowed to look at their transaction datas.....Ho strange they are not bribing people after all....Ok, hum by the way during this investigation I accidentally noticed that they are selling a lot of stuff (paper napkins for instant) that an American company could sell also at a specific price.Hum by the way it happen to be strategic for the US that we sell paper napkins...., so since it is strategic we can tell the company at what price the potentially but actually not but who cares european company sells paper napkins.A froody good the nice US company can blast the bad (well actually not but they could have right) eurotrash company out of the market.ProfitIt sucks</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246930</id>
	<title>Re:EU Has Finally and Completely Lost It</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259347140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oh no.  Nothing of the sort.  You see, it is unethical and wrong for a country to spy wholesale on its own citizens.  Most unethical.  Many countries even explicitly ban the practice.  But if another country does it...oh well, the information was already collected, right?  So we might as well use it.  You scratch my back...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh no .
Nothing of the sort .
You see , it is unethical and wrong for a country to spy wholesale on its own citizens .
Most unethical .
Many countries even explicitly ban the practice .
But if another country does it...oh well , the information was already collected , right ?
So we might as well use it .
You scratch my back.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh no.
Nothing of the sort.
You see, it is unethical and wrong for a country to spy wholesale on its own citizens.
Most unethical.
Many countries even explicitly ban the practice.
But if another country does it...oh well, the information was already collected, right?
So we might as well use it.
You scratch my back...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246606</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30250904</id>
	<title>Re:Anyone still not think they're in the US Empire</title>
	<author>colinrichardday</author>
	<datestamp>1259326980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The United States is so clearly the new Roman Empire </i></p><p>Then why is our infrastructure so bad?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The United States is so clearly the new Roman Empire Then why is our infrastructure so bad ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The United States is so clearly the new Roman Empire Then why is our infrastructure so bad?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246592</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30248016</id>
	<title>quote:  Louis McFadden</title>
	<author>ciganito</author>
	<datestamp>1259353860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The ZOG under Rockefeller's and his crew of bad twisted monkeys are now on the move.
I must quote something:


"A world banking system was being set up here... A superstate controlled by international bankers... Acting together to enslave the World for their own pleasure. The FED has usurped the Governament" - Louis McFadden</div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The ZOG under Rockefeller 's and his crew of bad twisted monkeys are now on the move .
I must quote something : " A world banking system was being set up here... A superstate controlled by international bankers... Acting together to enslave the World for their own pleasure .
The FED has usurped the Governament " - Louis McFadden</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The ZOG under Rockefeller's and his crew of bad twisted monkeys are now on the move.
I must quote something:


"A world banking system was being set up here... A superstate controlled by international bankers... Acting together to enslave the World for their own pleasure.
The FED has usurped the Governament" - Louis McFadden
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246592</id>
	<title>Anyone still not think they're in the US Empire?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259344740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The United States is so clearly the new Roman Empire that it makes it<br>almost cute that they keep denying it.</p><p>There is no clearer sign than this agreement that we are<br>officially living in a PAX AMERICANA in the 21st century.</p><p>I guess we better hope that the guy with the somewhat forced<br>smile is nice to us.</p><p>If the US wants to have jurisdiction over the populations of the<br>world though, wouldn't it be only fair ("all men are equal...")<br>to give citizens of the colonies (= world - China) a vote in the<br>US presidential election?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The United States is so clearly the new Roman Empire that it makes italmost cute that they keep denying it.There is no clearer sign than this agreement that we areofficially living in a PAX AMERICANA in the 21st century.I guess we better hope that the guy with the somewhat forcedsmile is nice to us.If the US wants to have jurisdiction over the populations of theworld though , would n't it be only fair ( " all men are equal... " ) to give citizens of the colonies ( = world - China ) a vote in theUS presidential election ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The United States is so clearly the new Roman Empire that it makes italmost cute that they keep denying it.There is no clearer sign than this agreement that we areofficially living in a PAX AMERICANA in the 21st century.I guess we better hope that the guy with the somewhat forcedsmile is nice to us.If the US wants to have jurisdiction over the populations of theworld though, wouldn't it be only fair ("all men are equal...")to give citizens of the colonies (= world - China) a vote in theUS presidential election?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246884</id>
	<title>Re:Prepare for 10,000 Accusations of ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259346840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>what is so lacking about the EU's ability to make and investigate the above claims?</p></div><p>The EU lacks the information. It is not allowed to spy on its own citizens (sound familiar?). How do you get information about your own citizens in spite of privacy protection laws? You let someone else do the dirty work, deflect all the blame and get the analyzed data back. Who cares that the structure and dynamics of the entire EU economy are presented to a foreign country as a "side effect"?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>what is so lacking about the EU 's ability to make and investigate the above claims ? The EU lacks the information .
It is not allowed to spy on its own citizens ( sound familiar ? ) .
How do you get information about your own citizens in spite of privacy protection laws ?
You let someone else do the dirty work , deflect all the blame and get the analyzed data back .
Who cares that the structure and dynamics of the entire EU economy are presented to a foreign country as a " side effect " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what is so lacking about the EU's ability to make and investigate the above claims?The EU lacks the information.
It is not allowed to spy on its own citizens (sound familiar?).
How do you get information about your own citizens in spite of privacy protection laws?
You let someone else do the dirty work, deflect all the blame and get the analyzed data back.
Who cares that the structure and dynamics of the entire EU economy are presented to a foreign country as a "side effect"?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30247796</id>
	<title>Re:IBAN ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259352600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do you actually know anything about banking?</p><p>IBAN (International Bank Account Number) is only a consistent identification scheme for bank accounts so transfers can be processed with STP (straight-through processing, eg without manual intervention to fix spelling errors / typos / inconsistent punctuation - as a student I had that job in a bank). The actual transfers are made using TARGET (Trans-european Automated Real-time Gross settlement Express Transfer System). This is is based on SWIFT communications with the clearing of funds effectively backed by the ECB member banks.</p><p>So yes, intra-EU transfers are using SWIFT.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you actually know anything about banking ? IBAN ( International Bank Account Number ) is only a consistent identification scheme for bank accounts so transfers can be processed with STP ( straight-through processing , eg without manual intervention to fix spelling errors / typos / inconsistent punctuation - as a student I had that job in a bank ) .
The actual transfers are made using TARGET ( Trans-european Automated Real-time Gross settlement Express Transfer System ) .
This is is based on SWIFT communications with the clearing of funds effectively backed by the ECB member banks.So yes , intra-EU transfers are using SWIFT .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you actually know anything about banking?IBAN (International Bank Account Number) is only a consistent identification scheme for bank accounts so transfers can be processed with STP (straight-through processing, eg without manual intervention to fix spelling errors / typos / inconsistent punctuation - as a student I had that job in a bank).
The actual transfers are made using TARGET (Trans-european Automated Real-time Gross settlement Express Transfer System).
This is is based on SWIFT communications with the clearing of funds effectively backed by the ECB member banks.So yes, intra-EU transfers are using SWIFT.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246806</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246392</id>
	<title>democracy?</title>
	<author>twotailakitsune</author>
	<datestamp>1259343480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>democracy? What is this democracy you say. I know about republic (for the good of the people; "for your  own good"), but who has a democracy?</htmltext>
<tokenext>democracy ?
What is this democracy you say .
I know about republic ( for the good of the people ; " for your own good " ) , but who has a democracy ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>democracy?
What is this democracy you say.
I know about republic (for the good of the people; "for your  own good"), but who has a democracy?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246982</id>
	<title>Re:Prepare for 10,000 Accusations of ...</title>
	<author>ElectricTurtle</author>
	<datestamp>1259347500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What is so lacking? Spine AKA 'political will'. Muslim minorities are much larger and growing much faster in Europe than the US, and Europeans are afraid to poke much at them even legitimately or else be labelled 'reactionary bigots' or worse 'American lapdogs' not only by the muslims but also other Europeans who are too progressive to care about people bombing trains.<br> <br>
On the one had, you are completely right, a lot of wholly innocent people are going to be put through a wringer because they did something that might have the appearance of impropriety. That's bad. However, all that data is going to contain the operations of some malicious organizations. Using that data to disrupt and prosecute will have some benefit. It just remains to be seen whether this is a net positive or net negative. And with Europeans rolling over (like Spain, 'oh you bombed us? We give up! Withdraw everybody!') and ignoring problems for political reasons, they brought this invasion of privacy on themselves. This whole thing is probably happening because segments of the EU government secretly want the US to both fix things and take the blame too. It's win-win for them.<br> <br>
Let the downvoting begin.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What is so lacking ?
Spine AKA 'political will' .
Muslim minorities are much larger and growing much faster in Europe than the US , and Europeans are afraid to poke much at them even legitimately or else be labelled 'reactionary bigots ' or worse 'American lapdogs ' not only by the muslims but also other Europeans who are too progressive to care about people bombing trains .
On the one had , you are completely right , a lot of wholly innocent people are going to be put through a wringer because they did something that might have the appearance of impropriety .
That 's bad .
However , all that data is going to contain the operations of some malicious organizations .
Using that data to disrupt and prosecute will have some benefit .
It just remains to be seen whether this is a net positive or net negative .
And with Europeans rolling over ( like Spain , 'oh you bombed us ?
We give up !
Withdraw everybody !
' ) and ignoring problems for political reasons , they brought this invasion of privacy on themselves .
This whole thing is probably happening because segments of the EU government secretly want the US to both fix things and take the blame too .
It 's win-win for them .
Let the downvoting begin .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is so lacking?
Spine AKA 'political will'.
Muslim minorities are much larger and growing much faster in Europe than the US, and Europeans are afraid to poke much at them even legitimately or else be labelled 'reactionary bigots' or worse 'American lapdogs' not only by the muslims but also other Europeans who are too progressive to care about people bombing trains.
On the one had, you are completely right, a lot of wholly innocent people are going to be put through a wringer because they did something that might have the appearance of impropriety.
That's bad.
However, all that data is going to contain the operations of some malicious organizations.
Using that data to disrupt and prosecute will have some benefit.
It just remains to be seen whether this is a net positive or net negative.
And with Europeans rolling over (like Spain, 'oh you bombed us?
We give up!
Withdraw everybody!
') and ignoring problems for political reasons, they brought this invasion of privacy on themselves.
This whole thing is probably happening because segments of the EU government secretly want the US to both fix things and take the blame too.
It's win-win for them.
Let the downvoting begin.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30250360</id>
	<title>Re:what makes you think anybody is denying this?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259323800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fuck you. You have to spend that much money on defence because you are deeply hated by a significant portion of the world. This is a example of you being twats and perpetuating the problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fuck you .
You have to spend that much money on defence because you are deeply hated by a significant portion of the world .
This is a example of you being twats and perpetuating the problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fuck you.
You have to spend that much money on defence because you are deeply hated by a significant portion of the world.
This is a example of you being twats and perpetuating the problem.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30247342</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246818</id>
	<title>Re:It's even worse than that</title>
	<author>mitashki</author>
	<datestamp>1259346360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Good call!
And more pizza analogy: "The guy who eats the pizza is not the crazy one, the crazy is the guy who gives him the pizza for nothing in return." It is not so much an US "fault" if they want an access to the data, but the EU Council representatives are the traitors here. I wonder if they don't receive more benefit next to the inter-bank transaction data?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Good call !
And more pizza analogy : " The guy who eats the pizza is not the crazy one , the crazy is the guy who gives him the pizza for nothing in return .
" It is not so much an US " fault " if they want an access to the data , but the EU Council representatives are the traitors here .
I wonder if they do n't receive more benefit next to the inter-bank transaction data ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good call!
And more pizza analogy: "The guy who eats the pizza is not the crazy one, the crazy is the guy who gives him the pizza for nothing in return.
" It is not so much an US "fault" if they want an access to the data, but the EU Council representatives are the traitors here.
I wonder if they don't receive more benefit next to the inter-bank transaction data?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246502</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246686</id>
	<title>Re:Prepare for 10,000 Accusations of ...</title>
	<author>ground.zero.612</author>
	<datestamp>1259345520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Agreed, and that's why I support racial profiling.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed , and that 's why I support racial profiling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed, and that's why I support racial profiling.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246408</id>
	<title>It is just me...</title>
	<author>Apotekaren</author>
	<datestamp>1259343540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>... does the 30th of November sound like a great day to pull pranks like false fire-alarms and what-not to interfere with the deal? For once I my life I would condone civil disobedience, and for once it might even have an impact.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... does the 30th of November sound like a great day to pull pranks like false fire-alarms and what-not to interfere with the deal ?
For once I my life I would condone civil disobedience , and for once it might even have an impact .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... does the 30th of November sound like a great day to pull pranks like false fire-alarms and what-not to interfere with the deal?
For once I my life I would condone civil disobedience, and for once it might even have an impact.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246962</id>
	<title>Re:Remember, remember...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259347320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Surprised? This is what the interior ministers came up with. Judging by what I see those jokers usually do, the job of interior minister seems to be to minimize citizen rights wherever possible, whether it serves any purpose or not.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Surprised ?
This is what the interior ministers came up with .
Judging by what I see those jokers usually do , the job of interior minister seems to be to minimize citizen rights wherever possible , whether it serves any purpose or not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Surprised?
This is what the interior ministers came up with.
Judging by what I see those jokers usually do, the job of interior minister seems to be to minimize citizen rights wherever possible, whether it serves any purpose or not.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246380</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30247552</id>
	<title>Re:Banking INternationally</title>
	<author>Dexx</author>
	<datestamp>1259351160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Are you sure?  The UK has created a new law every day for <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/blairs-frenzied-law-making--a-new-offence-for-every-day-spent-in-office-412072.html" title="independent.co.uk">the last nine years</a> [independent.co.uk].  Even if you're not in the UK, do you check every law your country passes to make sure you're not doing something newly illegal?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you sure ?
The UK has created a new law every day for the last nine years [ independent.co.uk ] .
Even if you 're not in the UK , do you check every law your country passes to make sure you 're not doing something newly illegal ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you sure?
The UK has created a new law every day for the last nine years [independent.co.uk].
Even if you're not in the UK, do you check every law your country passes to make sure you're not doing something newly illegal?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30249306</id>
	<title>Re:Protip: Avoid banks at all cost!</title>
	<author>mister\_playboy</author>
	<datestamp>1259318460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You watched <i>Zeitgeist</i>, I take it?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You watched Zeitgeist , I take it ?
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You watched Zeitgeist, I take it?
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30248560</id>
	<title>Re:About Time!</title>
	<author>PPH</author>
	<datestamp>1259314380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Is it worth catching corporate criminals at the cost of civil privacy?</p></div><p>This assumes that everyone who hides income/assets does so illegally. Many people and corporations structure shelters so that they fall within the law and regulations. But Congress and the IRS have a habit of finding cash (even legally held) and restructuring the laws so as to get their hands on it. If they don't know where its hid, they won't know how to tax it.
</p><p>Ideally, the US (and others) tax systems should be set up to collect needed revenue based on a minimum amount of data. A national sales tax instead of an income tax is one example of this. It requires record keeping by fewer entities (businesses) and these entities already have statutory requirements to provide data to governments as a condition of licensing, incorporation, etc. Such a system could (in theory) be blind to personal income, as that would be untaxed. And it would raise fewer issues about privacy (the right to be secure against unreasonable search...).
</p><p>The problem with today's tax systems is that they are being used as systems of gathering intelligence on citizens as much as they are for collecting revenue. This distraction from their primary mission is a principle reason why tax systems are so screwed up.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it worth catching corporate criminals at the cost of civil privacy ? This assumes that everyone who hides income/assets does so illegally .
Many people and corporations structure shelters so that they fall within the law and regulations .
But Congress and the IRS have a habit of finding cash ( even legally held ) and restructuring the laws so as to get their hands on it .
If they do n't know where its hid , they wo n't know how to tax it .
Ideally , the US ( and others ) tax systems should be set up to collect needed revenue based on a minimum amount of data .
A national sales tax instead of an income tax is one example of this .
It requires record keeping by fewer entities ( businesses ) and these entities already have statutory requirements to provide data to governments as a condition of licensing , incorporation , etc .
Such a system could ( in theory ) be blind to personal income , as that would be untaxed .
And it would raise fewer issues about privacy ( the right to be secure against unreasonable search... ) .
The problem with today 's tax systems is that they are being used as systems of gathering intelligence on citizens as much as they are for collecting revenue .
This distraction from their primary mission is a principle reason why tax systems are so screwed up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it worth catching corporate criminals at the cost of civil privacy?This assumes that everyone who hides income/assets does so illegally.
Many people and corporations structure shelters so that they fall within the law and regulations.
But Congress and the IRS have a habit of finding cash (even legally held) and restructuring the laws so as to get their hands on it.
If they don't know where its hid, they won't know how to tax it.
Ideally, the US (and others) tax systems should be set up to collect needed revenue based on a minimum amount of data.
A national sales tax instead of an income tax is one example of this.
It requires record keeping by fewer entities (businesses) and these entities already have statutory requirements to provide data to governments as a condition of licensing, incorporation, etc.
Such a system could (in theory) be blind to personal income, as that would be untaxed.
And it would raise fewer issues about privacy (the right to be secure against unreasonable search...).
The problem with today's tax systems is that they are being used as systems of gathering intelligence on citizens as much as they are for collecting revenue.
This distraction from their primary mission is a principle reason why tax systems are so screwed up.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30251780</id>
	<title>Enjoy your centralized overloads</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259334240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'ma sipping my coffee and looking at your p0rn habits. I wonder how many billions I can make blackmailing you socialist cretins.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I'ma sipping my coffee and looking at your p0rn habits .
I wonder how many billions I can make blackmailing you socialist cretins .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'ma sipping my coffee and looking at your p0rn habits.
I wonder how many billions I can make blackmailing you socialist cretins.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246856</id>
	<title>Re:EU Has Finally and Completely Lost It</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259346540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sadly its only getting worse, the Lisbon Treaty was pushed into Europe without a vote in many countries.  We now have president Rump-Steak, or whatever it is.  Would you call a state a democracy if its leader was appointed by some men in a room?  The EU is all about complete and utter removal of civil liberties, national sovereignty, democracy, privacy and individuality by a bunch of socialist superstate ass hats.  To call it a democracy is to insult all working democracies around the world.  They are now paying farmers to produce food and to make food that they can't sell (Lisbon removed the law that stopped farmers using every inch of land for farming).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sadly its only getting worse , the Lisbon Treaty was pushed into Europe without a vote in many countries .
We now have president Rump-Steak , or whatever it is .
Would you call a state a democracy if its leader was appointed by some men in a room ?
The EU is all about complete and utter removal of civil liberties , national sovereignty , democracy , privacy and individuality by a bunch of socialist superstate ass hats .
To call it a democracy is to insult all working democracies around the world .
They are now paying farmers to produce food and to make food that they ca n't sell ( Lisbon removed the law that stopped farmers using every inch of land for farming ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sadly its only getting worse, the Lisbon Treaty was pushed into Europe without a vote in many countries.
We now have president Rump-Steak, or whatever it is.
Would you call a state a democracy if its leader was appointed by some men in a room?
The EU is all about complete and utter removal of civil liberties, national sovereignty, democracy, privacy and individuality by a bunch of socialist superstate ass hats.
To call it a democracy is to insult all working democracies around the world.
They are now paying farmers to produce food and to make food that they can't sell (Lisbon removed the law that stopped farmers using every inch of land for farming).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30247240</id>
	<title>Re:About Time!</title>
	<author>turtleshadow</author>
	<datestamp>1259349180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Access to offshore bank accounts for tax evasion is one motivation for sure. Already since US moved from the gold standard in '71 the idea of money has been redefined in such a way that those who control major hubs of wealth generation can redefine value and exchange to anything they want. I always laugh at the $1 salary CEO's tout to the press. Their families expenses being covered 100\% by the company covertly somehow.</p><p>However I think the problem is more deeply rooted in that the US need to figure out how to quietly adjust the flow of currency to what is "extant" out there in foreign banks minus all the counterfeit bills that have been moving out of target countries since the coldwar and Gulfwars I and II. The US is trying to quietly CYA against global banking collapse due to all the bubbles. If "money" is not flowing its not "working" as intended by the world bank. There are those that horde paper money offshore thinking they actually have something of intrinsic value which it is not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Access to offshore bank accounts for tax evasion is one motivation for sure .
Already since US moved from the gold standard in '71 the idea of money has been redefined in such a way that those who control major hubs of wealth generation can redefine value and exchange to anything they want .
I always laugh at the $ 1 salary CEO 's tout to the press .
Their families expenses being covered 100 \ % by the company covertly somehow.However I think the problem is more deeply rooted in that the US need to figure out how to quietly adjust the flow of currency to what is " extant " out there in foreign banks minus all the counterfeit bills that have been moving out of target countries since the coldwar and Gulfwars I and II .
The US is trying to quietly CYA against global banking collapse due to all the bubbles .
If " money " is not flowing its not " working " as intended by the world bank .
There are those that horde paper money offshore thinking they actually have something of intrinsic value which it is not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Access to offshore bank accounts for tax evasion is one motivation for sure.
Already since US moved from the gold standard in '71 the idea of money has been redefined in such a way that those who control major hubs of wealth generation can redefine value and exchange to anything they want.
I always laugh at the $1 salary CEO's tout to the press.
Their families expenses being covered 100\% by the company covertly somehow.However I think the problem is more deeply rooted in that the US need to figure out how to quietly adjust the flow of currency to what is "extant" out there in foreign banks minus all the counterfeit bills that have been moving out of target countries since the coldwar and Gulfwars I and II.
The US is trying to quietly CYA against global banking collapse due to all the bubbles.
If "money" is not flowing its not "working" as intended by the world bank.
There are those that horde paper money offshore thinking they actually have something of intrinsic value which it is not.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30255958</id>
	<title>Re:You scratch my back..</title>
	<author>laederkeps</author>
	<datestamp>1259438520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>How do you ask for a deal like this with a straight face, while not offering quid pro quo?</p><p>No really, I'd love to know how.</p></div><p>You promise the EU governments to share the information you find on their citizens - information which said EU governments want but aren't allowed to dig up themselves.<br>
<br>
This was named publicly as an important reason in the FRA debacle where Swedish international communication was to be tapped, the FRA declared that they wanted to show up at "Intelligence trades" with something to show in order to play with the big boys. On the one hand, they probably get a lot of juicy russian traffic to share with the world, on the other they can probably trade some information with states like Finland which aren't allowed to spy on their own citizens.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How do you ask for a deal like this with a straight face , while not offering quid pro quo ? No really , I 'd love to know how.You promise the EU governments to share the information you find on their citizens - information which said EU governments want but are n't allowed to dig up themselves .
This was named publicly as an important reason in the FRA debacle where Swedish international communication was to be tapped , the FRA declared that they wanted to show up at " Intelligence trades " with something to show in order to play with the big boys .
On the one hand , they probably get a lot of juicy russian traffic to share with the world , on the other they can probably trade some information with states like Finland which are n't allowed to spy on their own citizens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How do you ask for a deal like this with a straight face, while not offering quid pro quo?No really, I'd love to know how.You promise the EU governments to share the information you find on their citizens - information which said EU governments want but aren't allowed to dig up themselves.
This was named publicly as an important reason in the FRA debacle where Swedish international communication was to be tapped, the FRA declared that they wanted to show up at "Intelligence trades" with something to show in order to play with the big boys.
On the one hand, they probably get a lot of juicy russian traffic to share with the world, on the other they can probably trade some information with states like Finland which aren't allowed to spy on their own citizens.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246636</id>
	<title>Re:Banking INternationally</title>
	<author>Reziac</author>
	<datestamp>1259345100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why should we HAVE to worry about The Authorities overseeing our each and every transaction, as if we're all criminals until proven otherwise??</p><p>As someone here put it, "If I've done nothing wrong, WHY ARE YOU WATCHING ME??"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why should we HAVE to worry about The Authorities overseeing our each and every transaction , as if we 're all criminals until proven otherwise ?
? As someone here put it , " If I 've done nothing wrong , WHY ARE YOU WATCHING ME ? ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why should we HAVE to worry about The Authorities overseeing our each and every transaction, as if we're all criminals until proven otherwise?
?As someone here put it, "If I've done nothing wrong, WHY ARE YOU WATCHING ME??
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30256028</id>
	<title>Re:It's even worse than that</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259439240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When those US spies help thwart the next bombing in London or Madrid, perhaps you will reconsider your words.</p><p>Perhaps the EU Council is more concerned with the safety of their member nations' citizens than with the privacy of their financial transactions from the US intelligence community.  You may disagree with the EU's decision to make that tradeoff, but to call it exploitation by the US is ridiculous.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When those US spies help thwart the next bombing in London or Madrid , perhaps you will reconsider your words.Perhaps the EU Council is more concerned with the safety of their member nations ' citizens than with the privacy of their financial transactions from the US intelligence community .
You may disagree with the EU 's decision to make that tradeoff , but to call it exploitation by the US is ridiculous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When those US spies help thwart the next bombing in London or Madrid, perhaps you will reconsider your words.Perhaps the EU Council is more concerned with the safety of their member nations' citizens than with the privacy of their financial transactions from the US intelligence community.
You may disagree with the EU's decision to make that tradeoff, but to call it exploitation by the US is ridiculous.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30248172</id>
	<title>Do not panic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259355060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am not a banker (IANAB or W?) but:</p><p>- the only reference is a blog<br>- AFAIK SWIFT is but one method of *inter* bank, *international* transfer so "Unlimited Access To Banking Data" of the title is a gross exaggeration (what, here on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. I am shocked)<br>- given that there are other methods of funds transfer (IBAN, Tipinet?) SWIFT will die a quick death if this comes about</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am not a banker ( IANAB or W ?
) but : - the only reference is a blog- AFAIK SWIFT is but one method of * inter * bank , * international * transfer so " Unlimited Access To Banking Data " of the title is a gross exaggeration ( what , here on / .
I am shocked ) - given that there are other methods of funds transfer ( IBAN , Tipinet ?
) SWIFT will die a quick death if this comes about</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am not a banker (IANAB or W?
) but:- the only reference is a blog- AFAIK SWIFT is but one method of *inter* bank, *international* transfer so "Unlimited Access To Banking Data" of the title is a gross exaggeration (what, here on /.
I am shocked)- given that there are other methods of funds transfer (IBAN, Tipinet?
) SWIFT will die a quick death if this comes about</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246748</id>
	<title>Re:Good?</title>
	<author>FlyingBishop</author>
	<datestamp>1259345880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This isn't opening up bank records. This is just widening the circle of gnomes a little to include people who are probably worse than the current circle of gnomes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is n't opening up bank records .
This is just widening the circle of gnomes a little to include people who are probably worse than the current circle of gnomes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This isn't opening up bank records.
This is just widening the circle of gnomes a little to include people who are probably worse than the current circle of gnomes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246662</id>
	<title>Re:About Time!</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1259345340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You really think that's the intention? Are you so delusional that you think this is going to be used against the big tax cheats? The very same that fund the politicians that put these ideas into reality?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You really think that 's the intention ?
Are you so delusional that you think this is going to be used against the big tax cheats ?
The very same that fund the politicians that put these ideas into reality ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You really think that's the intention?
Are you so delusional that you think this is going to be used against the big tax cheats?
The very same that fund the politicians that put these ideas into reality?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30247816</id>
	<title>Another question</title>
	<author>marcosdumay</author>
	<datestamp>1259352720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>"Is it worth catching corporate criminals at the cost of civil privacy?"</p></div> </blockquote><p>That is a good question to ask. Another one is:<br>
What is the bigest treat to freedom, the government inspecting people for corruption or allowing corruption to go unoticed (even inside the government)?</p><p>As of today, I have no answer to both of them.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Is it worth catching corporate criminals at the cost of civil privacy ?
" That is a good question to ask .
Another one is : What is the bigest treat to freedom , the government inspecting people for corruption or allowing corruption to go unoticed ( even inside the government ) ? As of today , I have no answer to both of them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Is it worth catching corporate criminals at the cost of civil privacy?
" That is a good question to ask.
Another one is:
What is the bigest treat to freedom, the government inspecting people for corruption or allowing corruption to go unoticed (even inside the government)?As of today, I have no answer to both of them.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30247702</id>
	<title>Re:EU Has Finally and Completely Lost It</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259352060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a NL citizen, I say "WTF Europe -- are we insane?!"</p><p>We all have our own demons to get rid of. Sadly only idealists don't seem to last long in politics in any country. And of all the people I meet, nobody seems to give a damn, which is even more sad.</p><p>Is the water boiling already?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a NL citizen , I say " WTF Europe -- are we insane ? !
" We all have our own demons to get rid of .
Sadly only idealists do n't seem to last long in politics in any country .
And of all the people I meet , nobody seems to give a damn , which is even more sad.Is the water boiling already ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a NL citizen, I say "WTF Europe -- are we insane?!
"We all have our own demons to get rid of.
Sadly only idealists don't seem to last long in politics in any country.
And of all the people I meet, nobody seems to give a damn, which is even more sad.Is the water boiling already?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30249936</id>
	<title>Re:Banking INternationally</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259321460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think you missed a speech by the U.S. President in his first weeks in office in which he states Americans with bank accounts oversees are assumed to be committing a crime by merely possessing one. He never made such strong statements about Iran or North Korea, but Americans are assumed to be evading taxes by merely moving money out of the United States and you must report every major financial transaction regardless if you in fact owe taxes or not.</p><p>Everyone has heard of the "Patriot act". Very few people seem to be paying attention to the "ex-patriot act" being pushed through congress which essentially requires reporting of every financial transaction that Americans make overseas and all companies that do business with Americans.</p><p>They have made leaving the United States all but illegal, and it will not be long before they take it that far.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you missed a speech by the U.S. President in his first weeks in office in which he states Americans with bank accounts oversees are assumed to be committing a crime by merely possessing one .
He never made such strong statements about Iran or North Korea , but Americans are assumed to be evading taxes by merely moving money out of the United States and you must report every major financial transaction regardless if you in fact owe taxes or not.Everyone has heard of the " Patriot act " .
Very few people seem to be paying attention to the " ex-patriot act " being pushed through congress which essentially requires reporting of every financial transaction that Americans make overseas and all companies that do business with Americans.They have made leaving the United States all but illegal , and it will not be long before they take it that far .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you missed a speech by the U.S. President in his first weeks in office in which he states Americans with bank accounts oversees are assumed to be committing a crime by merely possessing one.
He never made such strong statements about Iran or North Korea, but Americans are assumed to be evading taxes by merely moving money out of the United States and you must report every major financial transaction regardless if you in fact owe taxes or not.Everyone has heard of the "Patriot act".
Very few people seem to be paying attention to the "ex-patriot act" being pushed through congress which essentially requires reporting of every financial transaction that Americans make overseas and all companies that do business with Americans.They have made leaving the United States all but illegal, and it will not be long before they take it that far.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30247332</id>
	<title>Re:Good?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1259349840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You have heard of the term <em>privacy</em> have you?<br>There is a difference between &ldquo;secrecy&rdquo; and privacy!</p><p>But hey, because of a novel on some imaginary things, you now think that there must be evil hiding there, and so all privacy must be eliminated.<br>Way to go...</p><p>I got news for you. My government friends and I had a chat, and we think that your brain and your bowel are covered in way too much secrecy! And as &ldquo;secrecy hides evil&rdquo;, we asked our American friends here, to stake you onto our new inner-body-surveillance system (model 2, only 12 cm in diameter!) and put a chip in your head that will read all your thoughts and check them for evilness to eliminate (trough electrical brain-zaps), before you can execute the evil thought.</p><p>I&rsquo;m sure you&rsquo;ll <em>love</em> it! ^^</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You have heard of the term privacy have you ? There is a difference between    secrecy    and privacy ! But hey , because of a novel on some imaginary things , you now think that there must be evil hiding there , and so all privacy must be eliminated.Way to go...I got news for you .
My government friends and I had a chat , and we think that your brain and your bowel are covered in way too much secrecy !
And as    secrecy hides evil    , we asked our American friends here , to stake you onto our new inner-body-surveillance system ( model 2 , only 12 cm in diameter !
) and put a chip in your head that will read all your thoughts and check them for evilness to eliminate ( trough electrical brain-zaps ) , before you can execute the evil thought.I    m sure you    ll love it !
^ ^</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You have heard of the term privacy have you?There is a difference between “secrecy” and privacy!But hey, because of a novel on some imaginary things, you now think that there must be evil hiding there, and so all privacy must be eliminated.Way to go...I got news for you.
My government friends and I had a chat, and we think that your brain and your bowel are covered in way too much secrecy!
And as “secrecy hides evil”, we asked our American friends here, to stake you onto our new inner-body-surveillance system (model 2, only 12 cm in diameter!
) and put a chip in your head that will read all your thoughts and check them for evilness to eliminate (trough electrical brain-zaps), before you can execute the evil thought.I’m sure you’ll love it!
^^</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30247416</id>
	<title>Weird</title>
	<author>garg0yle</author>
	<datestamp>1259350440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm more used to Europe having the right idea about privacy, while the US (at least lately) tends to put individual rights to things like privacy in secure storage where nobody can use them, "to keep them safe for future generations."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm more used to Europe having the right idea about privacy , while the US ( at least lately ) tends to put individual rights to things like privacy in secure storage where nobody can use them , " to keep them safe for future generations .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm more used to Europe having the right idea about privacy, while the US (at least lately) tends to put individual rights to things like privacy in secure storage where nobody can use them, "to keep them safe for future generations.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30247154</id>
	<title>Re:Prepare for 10,000 Accusations of ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259348700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Wired money to Turkey?  Terrorist.<br>Unexplainable transfers of cash into your account from $MUSLIM\_STATE?  Terrorist operative.<br>Bought floor tile from a man with the same surname as a well-known Taliban leader?  Suspected terrorist.<br>
&nbsp;</p> </div><p>Sh1t!  My floor tiles <i>are</i> from Turkey!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wired money to Turkey ?
Terrorist.Unexplainable transfers of cash into your account from $ MUSLIM \ _STATE ?
Terrorist operative.Bought floor tile from a man with the same surname as a well-known Taliban leader ?
Suspected terrorist .
  Sh1t !
My floor tiles are from Turkey !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wired money to Turkey?
Terrorist.Unexplainable transfers of cash into your account from $MUSLIM\_STATE?
Terrorist operative.Bought floor tile from a man with the same surname as a well-known Taliban leader?
Suspected terrorist.
  Sh1t!
My floor tiles are from Turkey!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246414</id>
	<title>Pizza Analogy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259343600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's like if there was an American pizza, and European pizza, and the Americans got to have some of the European pizza, but no Europeans could have any of the American pizza, and, and, and.....well, dammit, I just want some pizza! Why do I have to explain it to a bunch of smelly asocial geeks? Fuck you all, I'm ordering a pizza and none of you can have any!</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's like if there was an American pizza , and European pizza , and the Americans got to have some of the European pizza , but no Europeans could have any of the American pizza , and , and , and.....well , dammit , I just want some pizza !
Why do I have to explain it to a bunch of smelly asocial geeks ?
Fuck you all , I 'm ordering a pizza and none of you can have any !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's like if there was an American pizza, and European pizza, and the Americans got to have some of the European pizza, but no Europeans could have any of the American pizza, and, and, and.....well, dammit, I just want some pizza!
Why do I have to explain it to a bunch of smelly asocial geeks?
Fuck you all, I'm ordering a pizza and none of you can have any!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246806</id>
	<title>IBAN ?</title>
	<author>daveime</author>
	<datestamp>1259346300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As all of the EU can use IBAN for European transfers, I don't see the issue. The only reason we're still stuck with SWIFT is when making a transfer to/from outside the EU anyway, which invariably means US / Canada, in which case they already have access to the data.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As all of the EU can use IBAN for European transfers , I do n't see the issue .
The only reason we 're still stuck with SWIFT is when making a transfer to/from outside the EU anyway , which invariably means US / Canada , in which case they already have access to the data .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As all of the EU can use IBAN for European transfers, I don't see the issue.
The only reason we're still stuck with SWIFT is when making a transfer to/from outside the EU anyway, which invariably means US / Canada, in which case they already have access to the data.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246370</id>
	<title>Banking INternationally</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259343360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Now while the privacy issue is an obvious one, are there also any sum +'s that will boost our banking in a better direction?  Or is this just another way to leave a trail of breadcrumblies behind us?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now while the privacy issue is an obvious one , are there also any sum + 's that will boost our banking in a better direction ?
Or is this just another way to leave a trail of breadcrumblies behind us ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now while the privacy issue is an obvious one, are there also any sum +'s that will boost our banking in a better direction?
Or is this just another way to leave a trail of breadcrumblies behind us?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246450</id>
	<title>Re:Banking INternationally</title>
	<author>Arthur Grumbine</author>
	<datestamp>1259343840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't know about you, but [w]hen I do my banking, I [keep my transactions] as legal as possible, to avoid the attention of any auhtoirties.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know about you , but [ w ] hen I do my banking , I [ keep my transactions ] as legal as possible , to avoid the attention of any auhtoirties .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know about you, but [w]hen I do my banking, I [keep my transactions] as legal as possible, to avoid the attention of any auhtoirties.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30247036</id>
	<title>Re:Banking INternationally</title>
	<author>sherriw</author>
	<datestamp>1259347800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why should we HAVE to worry about The Authorities overseeing our each and every transaction, as if we're all criminals until proven otherwise??</p></div><p>I would reply at length to this comment... but Daniel J. Solove says it best in his essay:</p><p><a href="http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract\_id=998565" title="ssrn.com">"'I've Got Nothing to Hide' and Other Misunderstandings of Privacy"</a> [ssrn.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why should we HAVE to worry about The Authorities overseeing our each and every transaction , as if we 're all criminals until proven otherwise ?
? I would reply at length to this comment... but Daniel J. Solove says it best in his essay : " 'I 've Got Nothing to Hide ' and Other Misunderstandings of Privacy " [ ssrn.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why should we HAVE to worry about The Authorities overseeing our each and every transaction, as if we're all criminals until proven otherwise?
?I would reply at length to this comment... but Daniel J. Solove says it best in his essay:"'I've Got Nothing to Hide' and Other Misunderstandings of Privacy" [ssrn.com]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246576</id>
	<title>Re:democracy?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259344680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We do.  Representative democracy.  Look it up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We do .
Representative democracy .
Look it up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We do.
Representative democracy.
Look it up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246634</id>
	<title>Re:Banking INternationally</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259345100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The United States saved Europe's ass during dubya dubya 2.
A little banking info to stop the spread of terrorism isn't too much to ask.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The United States saved Europe 's ass during dubya dubya 2 .
A little banking info to stop the spread of terrorism is n't too much to ask .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The United States saved Europe's ass during dubya dubya 2.
A little banking info to stop the spread of terrorism isn't too much to ask.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246834</id>
	<title>Re:Banking INternationally</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259346480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If I've done nothing wrong, WHY ARE YOU WATCHING ME??</p></div><p>Cuz ur cute.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If I 've done nothing wrong , WHY ARE YOU WATCHING ME ?
? Cuz ur cute .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I've done nothing wrong, WHY ARE YOU WATCHING ME?
?Cuz ur cute.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30247252</id>
	<title>Re:Anyone still not think they're in the US Empire</title>
	<author>ElectricTurtle</author>
	<datestamp>1259349300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The American empire, such as it is, is only analogous to Rome in its scope, not at all in nature. For one, the US has not added to its directly controlled territory since WW2 regardless of numerous opportunities to do so (and is unlikely to do so ever again without an unforseeable radical change in the US approach to geopolitics). Secondly, rather than extracting tribute from its immense sphere of influence, instead the US sends ridiculous amounts of 'aid' everywhere, undermining its own ecomony to try to buy loyalty (which hasn't worked very well) and the ability to parade around how much of a 'positive difference' we're making in the world. (Which to be fair is the preferred pissing contest of all first world nations and makes for great feel good photo ops to prop up incumbents.)<br> <br>

Although eclipsed by the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, military operations by the US worldwide are largely humanitarian. Task forces are routinely sent in to assist with recovery efforts internationally for major disasters like earthquakes, tsunamis, and hurricanes/cyclones. Everybody seems content to hate US military, its size, capacity, and deployment until they're stuck on a roof surrounded by some species of the Crocodilia order, then it's 'oh thank you brave American soldiers whom we previously hated for no reason other than that was the popular opinion to hold'.<br> <br>

If the Romans were running the US, we would have probably done what Patton had wanted, attacked the Soviet Union immediately following the defeat of Germany and Japan, nuked the Russians years before they could have developed the same capacity, bypassed the Cold War and its contingent proxy wars in Asia, and the world really would be a complete and total US hegemony. Then your analogy would work, but in comparison to that context, the way things are now have little direct comparison to the way the Romans operated during and after the lifetime of Julius Caesar.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The American empire , such as it is , is only analogous to Rome in its scope , not at all in nature .
For one , the US has not added to its directly controlled territory since WW2 regardless of numerous opportunities to do so ( and is unlikely to do so ever again without an unforseeable radical change in the US approach to geopolitics ) .
Secondly , rather than extracting tribute from its immense sphere of influence , instead the US sends ridiculous amounts of 'aid ' everywhere , undermining its own ecomony to try to buy loyalty ( which has n't worked very well ) and the ability to parade around how much of a 'positive difference ' we 're making in the world .
( Which to be fair is the preferred pissing contest of all first world nations and makes for great feel good photo ops to prop up incumbents .
) Although eclipsed by the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq , military operations by the US worldwide are largely humanitarian .
Task forces are routinely sent in to assist with recovery efforts internationally for major disasters like earthquakes , tsunamis , and hurricanes/cyclones .
Everybody seems content to hate US military , its size , capacity , and deployment until they 're stuck on a roof surrounded by some species of the Crocodilia order , then it 's 'oh thank you brave American soldiers whom we previously hated for no reason other than that was the popular opinion to hold' .
If the Romans were running the US , we would have probably done what Patton had wanted , attacked the Soviet Union immediately following the defeat of Germany and Japan , nuked the Russians years before they could have developed the same capacity , bypassed the Cold War and its contingent proxy wars in Asia , and the world really would be a complete and total US hegemony .
Then your analogy would work , but in comparison to that context , the way things are now have little direct comparison to the way the Romans operated during and after the lifetime of Julius Caesar .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The American empire, such as it is, is only analogous to Rome in its scope, not at all in nature.
For one, the US has not added to its directly controlled territory since WW2 regardless of numerous opportunities to do so (and is unlikely to do so ever again without an unforseeable radical change in the US approach to geopolitics).
Secondly, rather than extracting tribute from its immense sphere of influence, instead the US sends ridiculous amounts of 'aid' everywhere, undermining its own ecomony to try to buy loyalty (which hasn't worked very well) and the ability to parade around how much of a 'positive difference' we're making in the world.
(Which to be fair is the preferred pissing contest of all first world nations and makes for great feel good photo ops to prop up incumbents.
) 

Although eclipsed by the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, military operations by the US worldwide are largely humanitarian.
Task forces are routinely sent in to assist with recovery efforts internationally for major disasters like earthquakes, tsunamis, and hurricanes/cyclones.
Everybody seems content to hate US military, its size, capacity, and deployment until they're stuck on a roof surrounded by some species of the Crocodilia order, then it's 'oh thank you brave American soldiers whom we previously hated for no reason other than that was the popular opinion to hold'.
If the Romans were running the US, we would have probably done what Patton had wanted, attacked the Soviet Union immediately following the defeat of Germany and Japan, nuked the Russians years before they could have developed the same capacity, bypassed the Cold War and its contingent proxy wars in Asia, and the world really would be a complete and total US hegemony.
Then your analogy would work, but in comparison to that context, the way things are now have little direct comparison to the way the Romans operated during and after the lifetime of Julius Caesar.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30252638</id>
	<title>Re:EU Has Finally and Completely Lost It</title>
	<author>SwedishPenguin</author>
	<datestamp>1259346060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As an (unwilling at this point) EU citizen I can only agree. The council of ministers is easily one of the most corrupt, non-transparent and unaccountable governing bodies in existence. There is virtually no transparency, despite individual countries (like Sweden) having strict laws regarding government transparency. This is completely ignored by governments when it comes to the EU-level.</p><p>I'm all for European cooperation, but not like this. I want a transparent democratic union with little power of its own. Stuff like this should have oversight by both the EU parliament and national parliaments, all of whom should have the right to veto. Preferably, a referendum would also be required (given the unreliable nature of politicians), with at least 60\% or so in favor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As an ( unwilling at this point ) EU citizen I can only agree .
The council of ministers is easily one of the most corrupt , non-transparent and unaccountable governing bodies in existence .
There is virtually no transparency , despite individual countries ( like Sweden ) having strict laws regarding government transparency .
This is completely ignored by governments when it comes to the EU-level.I 'm all for European cooperation , but not like this .
I want a transparent democratic union with little power of its own .
Stuff like this should have oversight by both the EU parliament and national parliaments , all of whom should have the right to veto .
Preferably , a referendum would also be required ( given the unreliable nature of politicians ) , with at least 60 \ % or so in favor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As an (unwilling at this point) EU citizen I can only agree.
The council of ministers is easily one of the most corrupt, non-transparent and unaccountable governing bodies in existence.
There is virtually no transparency, despite individual countries (like Sweden) having strict laws regarding government transparency.
This is completely ignored by governments when it comes to the EU-level.I'm all for European cooperation, but not like this.
I want a transparent democratic union with little power of its own.
Stuff like this should have oversight by both the EU parliament and national parliaments, all of whom should have the right to veto.
Preferably, a referendum would also be required (given the unreliable nature of politicians), with at least 60\% or so in favor.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246648</id>
	<title>EU Government take latest Chance to cheat</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259345160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The EU governments are pushing the issue so they do not have to discuss it in the EU parliament. The Lissbon Treaty which will give the parliament a say in this matter is not in place right now. The parliament is strongly opposed of SWIFT.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The EU governments are pushing the issue so they do not have to discuss it in the EU parliament .
The Lissbon Treaty which will give the parliament a say in this matter is not in place right now .
The parliament is strongly opposed of SWIFT .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The EU governments are pushing the issue so they do not have to discuss it in the EU parliament.
The Lissbon Treaty which will give the parliament a say in this matter is not in place right now.
The parliament is strongly opposed of SWIFT.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246624</id>
	<title>Excellent and Relevant!</title>
	<author>headkase</author>
	<datestamp>1259344980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Excellent!  A little deeper digging has revealed: <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=hsyA7hmDEqYC&amp;dq=Brin+The+Transparent+Society&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;source=bn&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=BFPFSdu2IImQtQOy2PHjBg&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book\_result&amp;resnum=4&amp;ct=result#v=onepage&amp;q=&amp;f=false" title="google.com">The Transparent Society</a> [google.com] (Google Books, preview a bit online!) which is a non-fiction work by <i>him</i>, an author of the caliber of mind to successfully have made his predictions in Earth.  It is summarized on this wiki page: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Transparent\_Society" title="wikipedia.org">Here</a> [wikipedia.org].  Now I will admit that I have not read that particular work but I trust Brin as enough of an authority that I will assume its mostly good!  Now I am going to have to go and peruse that text!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)<br> <br>
<b>MOST</b> importantly the wiki page specifically mentions the war on the "Gnomes!"  So The Transparent Society <b>will</b> cover the reasoning in non-fiction!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Excellent !
A little deeper digging has revealed : The Transparent Society [ google.com ] ( Google Books , preview a bit online !
) which is a non-fiction work by him , an author of the caliber of mind to successfully have made his predictions in Earth .
It is summarized on this wiki page : Here [ wikipedia.org ] .
Now I will admit that I have not read that particular work but I trust Brin as enough of an authority that I will assume its mostly good !
Now I am going to have to go and peruse that text !
; ) MOST importantly the wiki page specifically mentions the war on the " Gnomes !
" So The Transparent Society will cover the reasoning in non-fiction !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Excellent!
A little deeper digging has revealed: The Transparent Society [google.com] (Google Books, preview a bit online!
) which is a non-fiction work by him, an author of the caliber of mind to successfully have made his predictions in Earth.
It is summarized on this wiki page: Here [wikipedia.org].
Now I will admit that I have not read that particular work but I trust Brin as enough of an authority that I will assume its mostly good!
Now I am going to have to go and peruse that text!
;) 
MOST importantly the wiki page specifically mentions the war on the "Gnomes!
"  So The Transparent Society will cover the reasoning in non-fiction!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30253118</id>
	<title>Re:Anyone still not think they're in the US Empire</title>
	<author>laddiebuck</author>
	<datestamp>1259441220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think the Pax Romana and the Pax Britannia were nicer. They actually developed their colonial areas. Hell, the British Empire was a net loss for most of its existence; only the freedom of markets and Britain being ahead of the curve in industry propped it up. Once that was gone, the Empire was gone. Anyway, today it's all about exploitation.<br> <br>

Incidentally, Pax is a relative term and applies only to the allies of Top Nation, for whichever of the three you look at.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the Pax Romana and the Pax Britannia were nicer .
They actually developed their colonial areas .
Hell , the British Empire was a net loss for most of its existence ; only the freedom of markets and Britain being ahead of the curve in industry propped it up .
Once that was gone , the Empire was gone .
Anyway , today it 's all about exploitation .
Incidentally , Pax is a relative term and applies only to the allies of Top Nation , for whichever of the three you look at .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the Pax Romana and the Pax Britannia were nicer.
They actually developed their colonial areas.
Hell, the British Empire was a net loss for most of its existence; only the freedom of markets and Britain being ahead of the curve in industry propped it up.
Once that was gone, the Empire was gone.
Anyway, today it's all about exploitation.
Incidentally, Pax is a relative term and applies only to the allies of Top Nation, for whichever of the three you look at.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30247078</id>
	<title>Re:Anyone still not think they're in the US Empire</title>
	<author>Monkeedude1212</author>
	<datestamp>1259348100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, and the Roman Empire fell into darkness (mostly) because they couldn't retain control over their over-extended dominion. No nation-state has ever survived at such a large size. As soon as all the troops are over in<br>X-istan or wherever, revolt would happen somewhere else.</p><p>Simply put, when the people aren't happy, there is no way to keep the peace. If these men abuse their powers, but the people are happy - whats to say that a blissfully happy life isn't a good life?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , and the Roman Empire fell into darkness ( mostly ) because they could n't retain control over their over-extended dominion .
No nation-state has ever survived at such a large size .
As soon as all the troops are over inX-istan or wherever , revolt would happen somewhere else.Simply put , when the people are n't happy , there is no way to keep the peace .
If these men abuse their powers , but the people are happy - whats to say that a blissfully happy life is n't a good life ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, and the Roman Empire fell into darkness (mostly) because they couldn't retain control over their over-extended dominion.
No nation-state has ever survived at such a large size.
As soon as all the troops are over inX-istan or wherever, revolt would happen somewhere else.Simply put, when the people aren't happy, there is no way to keep the peace.
If these men abuse their powers, but the people are happy - whats to say that a blissfully happy life isn't a good life?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30247850</id>
	<title>You think like a ReThuglican Jew</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259353020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You think like a ReThuglican Jew</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You think like a ReThuglican Jew</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You think like a ReThuglican Jew</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30247252</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246412</id>
	<title>Wanna know how his happend?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259343540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hillary and her compadres met with the relevant officials over here and told them scare stories about how crucial a time it is for the western world and such bullshit.<br>None of our politicians have the balls to simply say f.o. and slam the door, no no, request to help spying on our own ppl granted - What could go wrong?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hillary and her compadres met with the relevant officials over here and told them scare stories about how crucial a time it is for the western world and such bullshit.None of our politicians have the balls to simply say f.o .
and slam the door , no no , request to help spying on our own ppl granted - What could go wrong ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hillary and her compadres met with the relevant officials over here and told them scare stories about how crucial a time it is for the western world and such bullshit.None of our politicians have the balls to simply say f.o.
and slam the door, no no, request to help spying on our own ppl granted - What could go wrong?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30257004</id>
	<title>Re:Anyone still not think they're in the US Empire</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259406480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sure... as long as the citizens of the world consent to be taxed by the same government in which they wish to have a voice.  I mean... it would be only fair.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure... as long as the citizens of the world consent to be taxed by the same government in which they wish to have a voice .
I mean... it would be only fair .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure... as long as the citizens of the world consent to be taxed by the same government in which they wish to have a voice.
I mean... it would be only fair.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246592</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246502</id>
	<title>It's even worse than that</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259344140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They'll give access to all inter-bank transactions. The whole issue started with the revelation that US intelligence had access to SWIFT data through SWIFT's US data center. SWIFT then shifted its operation to its other data centers and will cease channeling EU transaction data through the US data center by the end of the year. So the loss of access for the US spies is the SWIFT data, but the treaty will give them access to all inter-bank transactions, even those which are not processed by SWIFT. This is a classic rebound technique: The EU cannot spy on its own citizens like that, but they do get information back from US spies.</p><p>Who's to blame? The US, for shamelessly exploiting the people they often call their friends? The EU council, for betraying their people? Why choose...</p><p>If this goes through on Monday, there will be calls to punish the EU Council for treason, but of course nothing will come of it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 'll give access to all inter-bank transactions .
The whole issue started with the revelation that US intelligence had access to SWIFT data through SWIFT 's US data center .
SWIFT then shifted its operation to its other data centers and will cease channeling EU transaction data through the US data center by the end of the year .
So the loss of access for the US spies is the SWIFT data , but the treaty will give them access to all inter-bank transactions , even those which are not processed by SWIFT .
This is a classic rebound technique : The EU can not spy on its own citizens like that , but they do get information back from US spies.Who 's to blame ?
The US , for shamelessly exploiting the people they often call their friends ?
The EU council , for betraying their people ?
Why choose...If this goes through on Monday , there will be calls to punish the EU Council for treason , but of course nothing will come of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They'll give access to all inter-bank transactions.
The whole issue started with the revelation that US intelligence had access to SWIFT data through SWIFT's US data center.
SWIFT then shifted its operation to its other data centers and will cease channeling EU transaction data through the US data center by the end of the year.
So the loss of access for the US spies is the SWIFT data, but the treaty will give them access to all inter-bank transactions, even those which are not processed by SWIFT.
This is a classic rebound technique: The EU cannot spy on its own citizens like that, but they do get information back from US spies.Who's to blame?
The US, for shamelessly exploiting the people they often call their friends?
The EU council, for betraying their people?
Why choose...If this goes through on Monday, there will be calls to punish the EU Council for treason, but of course nothing will come of it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30247962</id>
	<title>Re:Protip: Avoid banks at all cost!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259353500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you deposit $1 into a bank they cannot lend out $10. You are getting confused with the notion of velocity of money.</p><p>About 90\% of a deposit can be lent out. The borrower will spend the money with merchants who will themselves bank the money with their bank. The merchant's bank will then lend out 90\% of the money... and so on. As a result the total amount of "money" in the economy is about 10 times the amount created by the central bank. However each bank always has only lent out funds it has collected.</p><p>(On a side note, when the credit crisis struck, that figure of 10 dropped sharply as people cut back on lending due to fear of losses. That is why the vast amount of money created by central banks has not led to massive inflation... yet.)</p><p>Your example of lending 100 people $100 assumes that none of them do anything productive with the funds. If they produce $1 more valuable goods on average than were existing previously creating then the extra $100 dollars so everyone can pay everyone back does not lead to inflation - there is the same ratio of $ to goods. It means that leaving money lying on the shelf doing nothing is loss making - but doesn't leaving tools on the shelf mean losing out? Or leaving land unused involve losing out? Why should uninvested money make profit any more than any other unused asset?</p><p>Fiat money does have value - modern governments in developed countries account for a sizeable \% of the economy and they will only accept their money as payment. This means that 20-50\% of the economy is always obliged to use the currency, providing a base for the valuation and justifying its use in the wider economy. Just because Weimar Germany, Zimbabwe and Yugoslavia screwed up their fiat currencies, does not prove that fiat currencies are inherently worthless. Nor is gold a foolproof currency - its value against staples such as food and basic goods varies sharply - gold based economies are subject to wild swings which are total unconnected with the real industrial or agricultural situation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you deposit $ 1 into a bank they can not lend out $ 10 .
You are getting confused with the notion of velocity of money.About 90 \ % of a deposit can be lent out .
The borrower will spend the money with merchants who will themselves bank the money with their bank .
The merchant 's bank will then lend out 90 \ % of the money... and so on .
As a result the total amount of " money " in the economy is about 10 times the amount created by the central bank .
However each bank always has only lent out funds it has collected .
( On a side note , when the credit crisis struck , that figure of 10 dropped sharply as people cut back on lending due to fear of losses .
That is why the vast amount of money created by central banks has not led to massive inflation.. .
yet. ) Your example of lending 100 people $ 100 assumes that none of them do anything productive with the funds .
If they produce $ 1 more valuable goods on average than were existing previously creating then the extra $ 100 dollars so everyone can pay everyone back does not lead to inflation - there is the same ratio of $ to goods .
It means that leaving money lying on the shelf doing nothing is loss making - but does n't leaving tools on the shelf mean losing out ?
Or leaving land unused involve losing out ?
Why should uninvested money make profit any more than any other unused asset ? Fiat money does have value - modern governments in developed countries account for a sizeable \ % of the economy and they will only accept their money as payment .
This means that 20-50 \ % of the economy is always obliged to use the currency , providing a base for the valuation and justifying its use in the wider economy .
Just because Weimar Germany , Zimbabwe and Yugoslavia screwed up their fiat currencies , does not prove that fiat currencies are inherently worthless .
Nor is gold a foolproof currency - its value against staples such as food and basic goods varies sharply - gold based economies are subject to wild swings which are total unconnected with the real industrial or agricultural situation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you deposit $1 into a bank they cannot lend out $10.
You are getting confused with the notion of velocity of money.About 90\% of a deposit can be lent out.
The borrower will spend the money with merchants who will themselves bank the money with their bank.
The merchant's bank will then lend out 90\% of the money... and so on.
As a result the total amount of "money" in the economy is about 10 times the amount created by the central bank.
However each bank always has only lent out funds it has collected.
(On a side note, when the credit crisis struck, that figure of 10 dropped sharply as people cut back on lending due to fear of losses.
That is why the vast amount of money created by central banks has not led to massive inflation...
yet.)Your example of lending 100 people $100 assumes that none of them do anything productive with the funds.
If they produce $1 more valuable goods on average than were existing previously creating then the extra $100 dollars so everyone can pay everyone back does not lead to inflation - there is the same ratio of $ to goods.
It means that leaving money lying on the shelf doing nothing is loss making - but doesn't leaving tools on the shelf mean losing out?
Or leaving land unused involve losing out?
Why should uninvested money make profit any more than any other unused asset?Fiat money does have value - modern governments in developed countries account for a sizeable \% of the economy and they will only accept their money as payment.
This means that 20-50\% of the economy is always obliged to use the currency, providing a base for the valuation and justifying its use in the wider economy.
Just because Weimar Germany, Zimbabwe and Yugoslavia screwed up their fiat currencies, does not prove that fiat currencies are inherently worthless.
Nor is gold a foolproof currency - its value against staples such as food and basic goods varies sharply - gold based economies are subject to wild swings which are total unconnected with the real industrial or agricultural situation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246926</id>
	<title>EU should negotiate harder!</title>
	<author>mugurel</author>
	<datestamp>1259347140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In return, the US government should at least provide EU citizens with two-weekly overviews of their recent bank transactions. FREE OF CHARGE!</htmltext>
<tokenext>In return , the US government should at least provide EU citizens with two-weekly overviews of their recent bank transactions .
FREE OF CHARGE !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In return, the US government should at least provide EU citizens with two-weekly overviews of their recent bank transactions.
FREE OF CHARGE!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246598</id>
	<title>Bring on the intrusion and control! More!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259344800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I love every story like this. I can't wait until the West is a complete fascist state, and all the progressives and other lovers of massive government are sitting around in prison muttering "Whut happen? We gave gummint more money and power to help the pooooor! It were for teh chiiiildren! They wusn't serposed to abuse der power! Dat not fair! Duuuuuh"</p><p>Dumbass braindead pigfuckers! LOL!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I love every story like this .
I ca n't wait until the West is a complete fascist state , and all the progressives and other lovers of massive government are sitting around in prison muttering " Whut happen ?
We gave gummint more money and power to help the pooooor !
It were for teh chiiiildren !
They wus n't serposed to abuse der power !
Dat not fair !
Duuuuuh " Dumbass braindead pigfuckers !
LOL !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love every story like this.
I can't wait until the West is a complete fascist state, and all the progressives and other lovers of massive government are sitting around in prison muttering "Whut happen?
We gave gummint more money and power to help the pooooor!
It were for teh chiiiildren!
They wusn't serposed to abuse der power!
Dat not fair!
Duuuuuh"Dumbass braindead pigfuckers!
LOL!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30253382</id>
	<title>Numbered bank account</title>
	<author>mahadiga</author>
	<datestamp>1259404020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does this mean USA will have access to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbered\_bank\_account" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbered\_bank\_account</a> [wikipedia.org] transactions?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does this mean USA will have access to http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbered \ _bank \ _account [ wikipedia.org ] transactions ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does this mean USA will have access to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbered\_bank\_account [wikipedia.org] transactions?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30249578</id>
	<title>Doesn't just effect the EU</title>
	<author>Davidge</author>
	<datestamp>1259319720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>SWIFT is used by major banks in Australia too for various inter-bank transactions. It wouldn't surprise me if other countries also use the SWIFT systems.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>SWIFT is used by major banks in Australia too for various inter-bank transactions .
It would n't surprise me if other countries also use the SWIFT systems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SWIFT is used by major banks in Australia too for various inter-bank transactions.
It wouldn't surprise me if other countries also use the SWIFT systems.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30247632</id>
	<title>Re:Anyone still not think they're in the US Empire</title>
	<author>corbettw</author>
	<datestamp>1259351580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We only recently gave the right to vote in Presidential elections to our territories and capitol city, what makes you think we'd want the proles from the rest of the world adding their voices to the din?</p><p>Besides, our ancient rallying cry of "no taxation without representation" has a flip side: if you have representation, expect to start paying taxes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We only recently gave the right to vote in Presidential elections to our territories and capitol city , what makes you think we 'd want the proles from the rest of the world adding their voices to the din ? Besides , our ancient rallying cry of " no taxation without representation " has a flip side : if you have representation , expect to start paying taxes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We only recently gave the right to vote in Presidential elections to our territories and capitol city, what makes you think we'd want the proles from the rest of the world adding their voices to the din?Besides, our ancient rallying cry of "no taxation without representation" has a flip side: if you have representation, expect to start paying taxes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30247230</id>
	<title>Re:IBAN ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259349180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>As all of the EU can use IBAN for European transfers, I don't see the issue.</p></div></blockquote><p>The issue is that IBAN is also using SWIFT to transfer data between banks. IBAN is just a standard inside EU, SWIFT is the company that has the datacenters where it all is stored. So this really is a huge issue even if you don't use the SWIFT-code directly.</p><p>On a related note: I've never understood why our local government (Netherlands in my case) always wants to lick USA's ass so much. Sure you guys saved us from Hitler, thanks a bunch for that. After more than half a century though I would say the debt has been payed and we should stop bending over so much, especially for a country that keeps on abusing its power.</p><p>I wish the US would collapse already.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As all of the EU can use IBAN for European transfers , I do n't see the issue.The issue is that IBAN is also using SWIFT to transfer data between banks .
IBAN is just a standard inside EU , SWIFT is the company that has the datacenters where it all is stored .
So this really is a huge issue even if you do n't use the SWIFT-code directly.On a related note : I 've never understood why our local government ( Netherlands in my case ) always wants to lick USA 's ass so much .
Sure you guys saved us from Hitler , thanks a bunch for that .
After more than half a century though I would say the debt has been payed and we should stop bending over so much , especially for a country that keeps on abusing its power.I wish the US would collapse already .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As all of the EU can use IBAN for European transfers, I don't see the issue.The issue is that IBAN is also using SWIFT to transfer data between banks.
IBAN is just a standard inside EU, SWIFT is the company that has the datacenters where it all is stored.
So this really is a huge issue even if you don't use the SWIFT-code directly.On a related note: I've never understood why our local government (Netherlands in my case) always wants to lick USA's ass so much.
Sure you guys saved us from Hitler, thanks a bunch for that.
After more than half a century though I would say the debt has been payed and we should stop bending over so much, especially for a country that keeps on abusing its power.I wish the US would collapse already.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246990</id>
	<title>Make some noise</title>
	<author>RenHoek</author>
	<datestamp>1259347500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just send out some emails to my representatives. If you're an European, I urge you to do the same.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just send out some emails to my representatives .
If you 're an European , I urge you to do the same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just send out some emails to my representatives.
If you're an European, I urge you to do the same.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246734</id>
	<title>Re:Banking INternationally</title>
	<author>Duradin</author>
	<datestamp>1259345760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The big bad tax cheats and evil terrorists do the same thing.</p><p>A completely legit paper trail would still be of interest because of that.</p><p>If someone is trying too hard to follow the law they are obviously hiding something.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The big bad tax cheats and evil terrorists do the same thing.A completely legit paper trail would still be of interest because of that.If someone is trying too hard to follow the law they are obviously hiding something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The big bad tax cheats and evil terrorists do the same thing.A completely legit paper trail would still be of interest because of that.If someone is trying too hard to follow the law they are obviously hiding something.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246450</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30268686</id>
	<title>Re:EU Has Finally and Completely Lost It</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259584440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did you read the article?  I'll try to summarise for you: non-elected people are trying to push stuff through before elected people get their hands on it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you read the article ?
I 'll try to summarise for you : non-elected people are trying to push stuff through before elected people get their hands on it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you read the article?
I'll try to summarise for you: non-elected people are trying to push stuff through before elected people get their hands on it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246606</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30250522</id>
	<title>Not for the Swiss</title>
	<author>cheros</author>
	<datestamp>1259324760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What the EU wants to do is up to the EU, but if the system is installed in Switzerland you can bet on it that Swiss data isn't going to be provided because (AFAIK) it would break the Swiss banking law.</p><p>I think it would probably require a public vote before that would be legally permissible - there was already enough noise about this data uncontrolled going to Europe..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What the EU wants to do is up to the EU , but if the system is installed in Switzerland you can bet on it that Swiss data is n't going to be provided because ( AFAIK ) it would break the Swiss banking law.I think it would probably require a public vote before that would be legally permissible - there was already enough noise about this data uncontrolled going to Europe. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What the EU wants to do is up to the EU, but if the system is installed in Switzerland you can bet on it that Swiss data isn't going to be provided because (AFAIK) it would break the Swiss banking law.I think it would probably require a public vote before that would be legally permissible - there was already enough noise about this data uncontrolled going to Europe..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246470</id>
	<title>They don't give a shit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259344020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The EU Council doesn't give a shit about European Parliament. Seriously, Iran is probably a better democracy than the EU. Most if not all democratic elements of the EU organization do not have any real power.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The EU Council does n't give a shit about European Parliament .
Seriously , Iran is probably a better democracy than the EU .
Most if not all democratic elements of the EU organization do not have any real power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The EU Council doesn't give a shit about European Parliament.
Seriously, Iran is probably a better democracy than the EU.
Most if not all democratic elements of the EU organization do not have any real power.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30248420</id>
	<title>Re:It is just me...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259313600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>30 November sounds like a great day for some sysadmins to do "network maintenance".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>30 November sounds like a great day for some sysadmins to do " network maintenance " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>30 November sounds like a great day for some sysadmins to do "network maintenance".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30247150</id>
	<title>Re:Anyone still not think they're in the US Empire</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259348640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hello, you do not have to<br>put line breaks in your<br>post, this is not a type-<br>writer.</p><p>Sincerely,<br>Anonymous Member of the New Roman Empire</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hello , you do not have toput line breaks in yourpost , this is not a type-writer.Sincerely,Anonymous Member of the New Roman Empire</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hello, you do not have toput line breaks in yourpost, this is not a type-writer.Sincerely,Anonymous Member of the New Roman Empire</sentencetext>
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	<title>what makes you think anybody is denying this?</title>
	<author>jipn4</author>
	<datestamp>1259349900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The United States is so clearly the new Roman Empire that it makes it almost cute that they keep denying it.</i></p><p>US politicians have clearly been arguing for a unipolar world, with the US as the only superpower.  So, I don't see why you think Americans are denying hegemony over the rest of the world.</p><p>However, there are two major differences between the US and the Roman Empire.  First, the Europeans and Japanese aren't paying taxes to the US; in fact, the US is actually still effectively financing part of the European and Japanese economies.  Second, Europeans and Japanese can rid themselves of US hegemony any time they choose by building up their own militaries and taking care of their own defense.  The US not only won't object, US politicians have been asking for this repeatedly, as US tax payers and US soldiers are getting tired of paying for Europe's defense.</p><p><i>If the US wants to have jurisdiction over the populations of the world though, wouldn't it be only fair ("all men are equal...") to give citizens of the colonies</i></p><p>You'd first need to start paying US taxes and use the US Constitution as your basic law.  Until you do, you don't get to vote.</p><p>But as I was saying: once Europe spends $500-1000bn of its annual budget on defense, creates a nuclear arsenal, and greatly increases its troop strength, it can rid itself of any kind of US influence.  As long as Europe is spending its money on cushy social programs and letting the US handle its defense, it has to accept that the US uses its power to get its way on some issues.</p><p>Your choice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The United States is so clearly the new Roman Empire that it makes it almost cute that they keep denying it.US politicians have clearly been arguing for a unipolar world , with the US as the only superpower .
So , I do n't see why you think Americans are denying hegemony over the rest of the world.However , there are two major differences between the US and the Roman Empire .
First , the Europeans and Japanese are n't paying taxes to the US ; in fact , the US is actually still effectively financing part of the European and Japanese economies .
Second , Europeans and Japanese can rid themselves of US hegemony any time they choose by building up their own militaries and taking care of their own defense .
The US not only wo n't object , US politicians have been asking for this repeatedly , as US tax payers and US soldiers are getting tired of paying for Europe 's defense.If the US wants to have jurisdiction over the populations of the world though , would n't it be only fair ( " all men are equal... " ) to give citizens of the coloniesYou 'd first need to start paying US taxes and use the US Constitution as your basic law .
Until you do , you do n't get to vote.But as I was saying : once Europe spends $ 500-1000bn of its annual budget on defense , creates a nuclear arsenal , and greatly increases its troop strength , it can rid itself of any kind of US influence .
As long as Europe is spending its money on cushy social programs and letting the US handle its defense , it has to accept that the US uses its power to get its way on some issues.Your choice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The United States is so clearly the new Roman Empire that it makes it almost cute that they keep denying it.US politicians have clearly been arguing for a unipolar world, with the US as the only superpower.
So, I don't see why you think Americans are denying hegemony over the rest of the world.However, there are two major differences between the US and the Roman Empire.
First, the Europeans and Japanese aren't paying taxes to the US; in fact, the US is actually still effectively financing part of the European and Japanese economies.
Second, Europeans and Japanese can rid themselves of US hegemony any time they choose by building up their own militaries and taking care of their own defense.
The US not only won't object, US politicians have been asking for this repeatedly, as US tax payers and US soldiers are getting tired of paying for Europe's defense.If the US wants to have jurisdiction over the populations of the world though, wouldn't it be only fair ("all men are equal...") to give citizens of the coloniesYou'd first need to start paying US taxes and use the US Constitution as your basic law.
Until you do, you don't get to vote.But as I was saying: once Europe spends $500-1000bn of its annual budget on defense, creates a nuclear arsenal, and greatly increases its troop strength, it can rid itself of any kind of US influence.
As long as Europe is spending its money on cushy social programs and letting the US handle its defense, it has to accept that the US uses its power to get its way on some issues.Your choice.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Good?</title>
	<author>headkase</author>
	<datestamp>1259343540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>David Brin in his novel: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth\_(novel)" title="wikipedia.org">Earth</a> [wikipedia.org] had some backstory (which is not in that link) about a war on the "Gnomes".  This was a war on secrecy in banking.  The story went along the lines of it was a purging moment in human history, in secrecy evil hides.  Purging the "Gnomes" stripped a great deal of power from the corrupted mechanisms of society.  Now, with that said any information collected will be abused but this offers some perspective.</htmltext>
<tokenext>David Brin in his novel : Earth [ wikipedia.org ] had some backstory ( which is not in that link ) about a war on the " Gnomes " .
This was a war on secrecy in banking .
The story went along the lines of it was a purging moment in human history , in secrecy evil hides .
Purging the " Gnomes " stripped a great deal of power from the corrupted mechanisms of society .
Now , with that said any information collected will be abused but this offers some perspective .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>David Brin in his novel: Earth [wikipedia.org] had some backstory (which is not in that link) about a war on the "Gnomes".
This was a war on secrecy in banking.
The story went along the lines of it was a purging moment in human history, in secrecy evil hides.
Purging the "Gnomes" stripped a great deal of power from the corrupted mechanisms of society.
Now, with that said any information collected will be abused but this offers some perspective.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246546</id>
	<title>You scratch my back..</title>
	<author>VMaN</author>
	<datestamp>1259344560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How do you ask for a deal like this with a straight face, while not offering quid pro quo?</p><p>No really, I'd love to know how.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How do you ask for a deal like this with a straight face , while not offering quid pro quo ? No really , I 'd love to know how .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How do you ask for a deal like this with a straight face, while not offering quid pro quo?No really, I'd love to know how.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246970</id>
	<title>Re:IBAN ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259347440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...how does an International Banking Account Number help me with the transfer of my payment information? The Problem isn't SWIFT (SWIFT s.c.r.l. is in fact owned by the financial institutions using it) but the European Commission.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...how does an International Banking Account Number help me with the transfer of my payment information ?
The Problem is n't SWIFT ( SWIFT s.c.r.l .
is in fact owned by the financial institutions using it ) but the European Commission .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...how does an International Banking Account Number help me with the transfer of my payment information?
The Problem isn't SWIFT (SWIFT s.c.r.l.
is in fact owned by the financial institutions using it) but the European Commission.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246874</id>
	<title>Re:Banking INternationally</title>
	<author>zach\_the\_lizard</author>
	<datestamp>1259346720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The United States saved Europe's ass during dubya dubya 2.</p></div><p>Tell that to Russia. But even  if true, it does little to justify the invasion of privacy.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The United States saved Europe 's ass during dubya dubya 2.Tell that to Russia .
But even if true , it does little to justify the invasion of privacy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The United States saved Europe's ass during dubya dubya 2.Tell that to Russia.
But even  if true, it does little to justify the invasion of privacy.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30247718</id>
	<title>Re:Anyone still not think they're in the US Empire</title>
	<author>DenDude</author>
	<datestamp>1259352120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If the US wants to have jurisdiction over the populations of the
world though, wouldn't it be only fair ("all men are equal...")
to give citizens of the colonies (= world - China) a vote in the
US presidential election?</p></div><p>That sounds fair enough.  As long as we Americans get to vote on your leaders as well.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If the US wants to have jurisdiction over the populations of the world though , would n't it be only fair ( " all men are equal... " ) to give citizens of the colonies ( = world - China ) a vote in the US presidential election ? That sounds fair enough .
As long as we Americans get to vote on your leaders as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the US wants to have jurisdiction over the populations of the
world though, wouldn't it be only fair ("all men are equal...")
to give citizens of the colonies (= world - China) a vote in the
US presidential election?That sounds fair enough.
As long as we Americans get to vote on your leaders as well.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30249008</id>
	<title>EU has no need for US banking data</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259316780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because the U.S. has never interfere with European elections.</p><p>But billions of unknown money pour into Obama campaign last year from all over the place. That is why U.S. need all the data everywhere.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because the U.S. has never interfere with European elections.But billions of unknown money pour into Obama campaign last year from all over the place .
That is why U.S. need all the data everywhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because the U.S. has never interfere with European elections.But billions of unknown money pour into Obama campaign last year from all over the place.
That is why U.S. need all the data everywhere.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Anyone still not think they're in the US Empire</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259322420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The US government was modeled on the Roman republic. The Pax Romana began with the establishment of the empire:<br>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pax\_romana</p><p>I'm not seeing a lot of pax in the world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The US government was modeled on the Roman republic .
The Pax Romana began with the establishment of the empire : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pax \ _romanaI 'm not seeing a lot of pax in the world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The US government was modeled on the Roman republic.
The Pax Romana began with the establishment of the empire:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pax\_romanaI'm not seeing a lot of pax in the world.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Protip: Avoid banks at all cost!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259349180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had more than one banking professional tell me, that if you want to have your money well handled, you should avoid using banks at all.</p><p>Every time you put money on one of their accounts, they can lend out ten times that amount (yes, that&rsquo;s it fact imaginary money) to other people at a interest. If you use one of their funds or something like that, it&rsquo;s even worse, since they take most of it, but if it goes bad, you pay for most of it.</p><p>And when you lend money... well the method goes like this: Take an example economy 100 people. Now lend all 100 people 100 dollar at 1\% interest. Then they have to pay it back at the end. But they still will only have 100 times 100 dollar. So for 99 to pay the 101 dollar back, one of them <em>has</em> to go bankrupt. Because where would the money come from? All money you earn always comes from someone else in the economy. And he either also earned it from someone else in the same (global) economy, or he had to lend the above mentioned imaginary money from a bank. It&rsquo;s futile. There is no way around one of them being fucked at the end.</p><p>But then, what is the point of a bank, if there is nothing left? Well... exactly.</p><p>The only idea that now may be left, is the easy transfer of money. Put it on an account, so another one can instantly draw it out again. This is what I&rsquo;m doing right now.<br>And for lending money: Well, I go the old-fashioned way: I save up money that I get from <em>earning</em> more from working harder. It&rsquo;s harder (and it should be hard), but at the end, whatever I get out from it, will be mine, mind and <em>mine</em>!</p><p>Now for the even worse part:<br>On top of all that... what is that green bill in your wallet? What is that &ldquo;money&rdquo;?<br>Well, if you look at it, it is the debt of someone else. You are literally holding a piece of debt in your hands.<br>It is not bound to any real thing with a real value. Like being a paper that says that you get X real physical gold pieces when turning it in at a bank.<br>In the EU it&rsquo;s even worse. The &ldquo;money&rdquo; in not associated with <em>anything</em> anymore. Only the belief of people is giving that paper and worth.</p><p>Well, that can all be good and well, as you might say.<br>But now imagine, if that belief... or that credit... breaks down...<br>Then your one <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Zimbabwe\_$100\_trillion\_2009\_Obverse.jpg" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">hundred trillion dollars</a> [wikipedia.org] can suddenly become worth just about <a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Zimbabwe\_1c\_2006\_Obverse.gif" title="wikimedia.org" rel="nofollow">one cent</a> [wikimedia.org].</p><p>And funnily, this still <em>can</em> work. <em>But</em> in reality, there is a nice scheme if you yourself are the one <em>printing</em> the money: Just keep all your own money in <em>gold</em>. And then twist the value of the paper money at will, depending on who has more of it: If all the money is in their hands, let the money crash to worthlessness. And if it is in your hands, let it rise.<br>In essence this gets you work for free! If it costs twice as much work as the money was worth when they got it, to earn the money to pay you back, you got the work difference for free.<br>Rinse and repeat.</p><p>And you wondered why after the trillion dollar &ldquo;bailout&rdquo; flowing to the banks, the value of money suddenly rose, and why when the economy and life went upwards in the Clinton era, suddenly an election fraud brought people into power that created a big war for which they had to lend as much money as possible...?!?</p><p>The nice thing is: Banks and the federal reserve can only fuck with you, if you <em>use their money</em>!!<br>This is a bit hard in the real world, of course. ^^<br>But look at what the banks do. Do it, and do it better! Learn your stuff!<br>If they can profit from it, so can you!</p><p>One trick is to just always have as little &ldquo;active&rdquo;/paper money as possible. Always put it straight into real goods, gold/silver/$otherValueGainingOrStableResource or (if you are wealthy) houses, and similar stuff that can make you more money.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had more than one banking professional tell me , that if you want to have your money well handled , you should avoid using banks at all.Every time you put money on one of their accounts , they can lend out ten times that amount ( yes , that    s it fact imaginary money ) to other people at a interest .
If you use one of their funds or something like that , it    s even worse , since they take most of it , but if it goes bad , you pay for most of it.And when you lend money... well the method goes like this : Take an example economy 100 people .
Now lend all 100 people 100 dollar at 1 \ % interest .
Then they have to pay it back at the end .
But they still will only have 100 times 100 dollar .
So for 99 to pay the 101 dollar back , one of them has to go bankrupt .
Because where would the money come from ?
All money you earn always comes from someone else in the economy .
And he either also earned it from someone else in the same ( global ) economy , or he had to lend the above mentioned imaginary money from a bank .
It    s futile .
There is no way around one of them being fucked at the end.But then , what is the point of a bank , if there is nothing left ?
Well... exactly.The only idea that now may be left , is the easy transfer of money .
Put it on an account , so another one can instantly draw it out again .
This is what I    m doing right now.And for lending money : Well , I go the old-fashioned way : I save up money that I get from earning more from working harder .
It    s harder ( and it should be hard ) , but at the end , whatever I get out from it , will be mine , mind and mine ! Now for the even worse part : On top of all that... what is that green bill in your wallet ?
What is that    money    ? Well , if you look at it , it is the debt of someone else .
You are literally holding a piece of debt in your hands.It is not bound to any real thing with a real value .
Like being a paper that says that you get X real physical gold pieces when turning it in at a bank.In the EU it    s even worse .
The    money    in not associated with anything anymore .
Only the belief of people is giving that paper and worth.Well , that can all be good and well , as you might say.But now imagine , if that belief... or that credit... breaks down...Then your one hundred trillion dollars [ wikipedia.org ] can suddenly become worth just about one cent [ wikimedia.org ] .And funnily , this still can work .
But in reality , there is a nice scheme if you yourself are the one printing the money : Just keep all your own money in gold .
And then twist the value of the paper money at will , depending on who has more of it : If all the money is in their hands , let the money crash to worthlessness .
And if it is in your hands , let it rise.In essence this gets you work for free !
If it costs twice as much work as the money was worth when they got it , to earn the money to pay you back , you got the work difference for free.Rinse and repeat.And you wondered why after the trillion dollar    bailout    flowing to the banks , the value of money suddenly rose , and why when the economy and life went upwards in the Clinton era , suddenly an election fraud brought people into power that created a big war for which they had to lend as much money as possible... ? !
? The nice thing is : Banks and the federal reserve can only fuck with you , if you use their money !
! This is a bit hard in the real world , of course .
^ ^ But look at what the banks do .
Do it , and do it better !
Learn your stuff ! If they can profit from it , so can you ! One trick is to just always have as little    active    /paper money as possible .
Always put it straight into real goods , gold/silver/ $ otherValueGainingOrStableResource or ( if you are wealthy ) houses , and similar stuff that can make you more money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had more than one banking professional tell me, that if you want to have your money well handled, you should avoid using banks at all.Every time you put money on one of their accounts, they can lend out ten times that amount (yes, that’s it fact imaginary money) to other people at a interest.
If you use one of their funds or something like that, it’s even worse, since they take most of it, but if it goes bad, you pay for most of it.And when you lend money... well the method goes like this: Take an example economy 100 people.
Now lend all 100 people 100 dollar at 1\% interest.
Then they have to pay it back at the end.
But they still will only have 100 times 100 dollar.
So for 99 to pay the 101 dollar back, one of them has to go bankrupt.
Because where would the money come from?
All money you earn always comes from someone else in the economy.
And he either also earned it from someone else in the same (global) economy, or he had to lend the above mentioned imaginary money from a bank.
It’s futile.
There is no way around one of them being fucked at the end.But then, what is the point of a bank, if there is nothing left?
Well... exactly.The only idea that now may be left, is the easy transfer of money.
Put it on an account, so another one can instantly draw it out again.
This is what I’m doing right now.And for lending money: Well, I go the old-fashioned way: I save up money that I get from earning more from working harder.
It’s harder (and it should be hard), but at the end, whatever I get out from it, will be mine, mind and mine!Now for the even worse part:On top of all that... what is that green bill in your wallet?
What is that “money”?Well, if you look at it, it is the debt of someone else.
You are literally holding a piece of debt in your hands.It is not bound to any real thing with a real value.
Like being a paper that says that you get X real physical gold pieces when turning it in at a bank.In the EU it’s even worse.
The “money” in not associated with anything anymore.
Only the belief of people is giving that paper and worth.Well, that can all be good and well, as you might say.But now imagine, if that belief... or that credit... breaks down...Then your one hundred trillion dollars [wikipedia.org] can suddenly become worth just about one cent [wikimedia.org].And funnily, this still can work.
But in reality, there is a nice scheme if you yourself are the one printing the money: Just keep all your own money in gold.
And then twist the value of the paper money at will, depending on who has more of it: If all the money is in their hands, let the money crash to worthlessness.
And if it is in your hands, let it rise.In essence this gets you work for free!
If it costs twice as much work as the money was worth when they got it, to earn the money to pay you back, you got the work difference for free.Rinse and repeat.And you wondered why after the trillion dollar “bailout” flowing to the banks, the value of money suddenly rose, and why when the economy and life went upwards in the Clinton era, suddenly an election fraud brought people into power that created a big war for which they had to lend as much money as possible...?!
?The nice thing is: Banks and the federal reserve can only fuck with you, if you use their money!
!This is a bit hard in the real world, of course.
^^But look at what the banks do.
Do it, and do it better!
Learn your stuff!If they can profit from it, so can you!One trick is to just always have as little “active”/paper money as possible.
Always put it straight into real goods, gold/silver/$otherValueGainingOrStableResource or (if you are wealthy) houses, and similar stuff that can make you more money.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:EU has no need for US banking data</title>
	<author>lordholm</author>
	<datestamp>1259321100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>During the initial referendum on the treaty of Nice in Ireland, a lot of money were flowing from some christian fundamentalist groups in the US to the no-campaign in Ireland.</htmltext>
<tokenext>During the initial referendum on the treaty of Nice in Ireland , a lot of money were flowing from some christian fundamentalist groups in the US to the no-campaign in Ireland .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>During the initial referendum on the treaty of Nice in Ireland, a lot of money were flowing from some christian fundamentalist groups in the US to the no-campaign in Ireland.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_27_150234.30246844</id>
	<title>Re:You scratch my back..</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1259346480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Umm... by carrying the bigger gun?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Umm... by carrying the bigger gun ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Umm... by carrying the bigger gun?</sentencetext>
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