<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_26_1843233</id>
	<title>FreeBSD 8.0 Released</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1259263140000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"The FreeBSD Release Engineering Team is pleased to announce the availability of <a href="http://www.freebsd.org/releases/8.0R/relnotes.html">FreeBSD 8 stable</a> release. Some of the highlights:
Xen DomU support, network stack virtualization, stack-smashing protection, TTY layer rewrite, much improved ZFS v13, a new USB stack, multicast updates including IGMPv3, vimage &mdash; a new virtualization container, Fedora 10 Linux binary compatibility to run Linux software such as Flash 10 and others, trusted BSD MAC (Mandatory Access Control), and rewritten NFS client/server introducing NFSv4. Inclusion of improved device mmap() extensions will allow the technical implementation of a 64-bit Nvidia display driver for the x86-64 platform. The GNOME desktop environment has been upgraded to 2.26.3, KDE to 4.3.1, and Firefox to 3.5.5.  There is also an in-depth look at the <a href="http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/freebsd-8-0-review-enterprise-ready-server-operating-system.html">new features</a> and major architectural changes in FreeBSD 8.0, including a <a href="http://www.cyberciti.biz/tour/freebsd-8/freebsd-8.html">screenshot tour</a>, upgrade <a href="http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/freebsd-8-upgrade-tutorial/">instructions are posted here</a>. You can grab the latest version from FreeBSD from the <a href="http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en\_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mirrors-ftp.html">mirrors</a> (main <a href="ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/">ftp server</a>) <a href="http://torrents.freebsd.org:8080/"> or via BitTorrent</a>. Please consider <a href="http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/">making a donation</a> and help us to spread the word by tweeting and blogging about the drive and release."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " The FreeBSD Release Engineering Team is pleased to announce the availability of FreeBSD 8 stable release .
Some of the highlights : Xen DomU support , network stack virtualization , stack-smashing protection , TTY layer rewrite , much improved ZFS v13 , a new USB stack , multicast updates including IGMPv3 , vimage    a new virtualization container , Fedora 10 Linux binary compatibility to run Linux software such as Flash 10 and others , trusted BSD MAC ( Mandatory Access Control ) , and rewritten NFS client/server introducing NFSv4 .
Inclusion of improved device mmap ( ) extensions will allow the technical implementation of a 64-bit Nvidia display driver for the x86-64 platform .
The GNOME desktop environment has been upgraded to 2.26.3 , KDE to 4.3.1 , and Firefox to 3.5.5 .
There is also an in-depth look at the new features and major architectural changes in FreeBSD 8.0 , including a screenshot tour , upgrade instructions are posted here .
You can grab the latest version from FreeBSD from the mirrors ( main ftp server ) or via BitTorrent .
Please consider making a donation and help us to spread the word by tweeting and blogging about the drive and release .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "The FreeBSD Release Engineering Team is pleased to announce the availability of FreeBSD 8 stable release.
Some of the highlights:
Xen DomU support, network stack virtualization, stack-smashing protection, TTY layer rewrite, much improved ZFS v13, a new USB stack, multicast updates including IGMPv3, vimage — a new virtualization container, Fedora 10 Linux binary compatibility to run Linux software such as Flash 10 and others, trusted BSD MAC (Mandatory Access Control), and rewritten NFS client/server introducing NFSv4.
Inclusion of improved device mmap() extensions will allow the technical implementation of a 64-bit Nvidia display driver for the x86-64 platform.
The GNOME desktop environment has been upgraded to 2.26.3, KDE to 4.3.1, and Firefox to 3.5.5.
There is also an in-depth look at the new features and major architectural changes in FreeBSD 8.0, including a screenshot tour, upgrade instructions are posted here.
You can grab the latest version from FreeBSD from the mirrors (main ftp server)  or via BitTorrent.
Please consider making a donation and help us to spread the word by tweeting and blogging about the drive and release.
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30241108</id>
	<title>What's the point in the screenshots?</title>
	<author>harmonise</author>
	<datestamp>1259241840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's the point in the screenshots? It looks like every other GNOME desktop. (or KDE desktop for the KDE screenshots)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's the point in the screenshots ?
It looks like every other GNOME desktop .
( or KDE desktop for the KDE screenshots )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's the point in the screenshots?
It looks like every other GNOME desktop.
(or KDE desktop for the KDE screenshots)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30239424</id>
	<title>Re:Why would a desktop user would run it?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259227800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sound works.  That's why I switched for FreeBSD.  Back in the 4.x days (around 2001) multiple applications could write to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/dev/dsp (back then they needed to have<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/dev/dsp.1 and so on, but that was fixed with FreeBSD 5), and all could play sound even though my cheap AC97 on-board sound didn't support mixing in hardware.  On Linux, apps needed to be rewritten with ALSA to take advantage of mixing, or needed to use sound daemons which gave horrific latency.  Meanwhile, I was playing music with XMMS, getting sound effects in BZFlag, and having my mail and IM clients go bing in the background when I got a message.  FreeBSD 8 improves this with a full OSSv4 implementation, including per-application volume channels.  Unlike the 4Front OSS implementation, there are some hacks that let apps that use the old OSS 3 API (and ABI) use these by faking a mixer device for each app.  It also has the highest-performance mixing algorithm around and supports a few things like encoded digital pass through (for AC3 and similar on an external decoder) without disabling the in-kernel mixing.</p><p>
ZFS is pretty useful to a desktop user.  Run hourly / daily snapshots as cron jobs to guard against accidental deletion and then use zfs send to transmit them to your backup server.  </p><p>
The ULE scheduler originally provided better performance on latency-sensitive workloads (a typical desktop) at the cost of throughput.  As a result, it wasn't enabled by default.  With FreeBSD 8, it's been improved and now does better on all workloads (including beating Linux on MySQL SMP benchmarks) and scales linearly to 8 cores (I've not seen tests beyond that).  </p><p>
Jails probably aren't useful to most desktop users, but they are to power users.  With ZFS, creating a new fail filesystem is just a matter of cloning a fresh install, which is an O(1) operation (and very fast) and that gives you an isolated install to work with.  Great for running untested or untrusted apps; just install them in a jail and they can't get out.  With FreeBSD 8, you can now assign a CPU to a jail and each jail has a complete virtualised instance of the network stack, so FreeBSD jails are effectively very lightweight VMs.  </p><p>
DTrace, again, is more useful to developers than end users.  It lets you insert probes into running applications (using binary rewriting tricks, where function prologs are replaced with unconditional jumps to JIT-compiled code that does the profiling).  This is by far the most powerful profiling and debugging framework I've come across.  </p><p>
So, I guess, the real question is why you'd use Linux over FreeBSD?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sound works .
That 's why I switched for FreeBSD .
Back in the 4.x days ( around 2001 ) multiple applications could write to /dev/dsp ( back then they needed to have /dev/dsp.1 and so on , but that was fixed with FreeBSD 5 ) , and all could play sound even though my cheap AC97 on-board sound did n't support mixing in hardware .
On Linux , apps needed to be rewritten with ALSA to take advantage of mixing , or needed to use sound daemons which gave horrific latency .
Meanwhile , I was playing music with XMMS , getting sound effects in BZFlag , and having my mail and IM clients go bing in the background when I got a message .
FreeBSD 8 improves this with a full OSSv4 implementation , including per-application volume channels .
Unlike the 4Front OSS implementation , there are some hacks that let apps that use the old OSS 3 API ( and ABI ) use these by faking a mixer device for each app .
It also has the highest-performance mixing algorithm around and supports a few things like encoded digital pass through ( for AC3 and similar on an external decoder ) without disabling the in-kernel mixing .
ZFS is pretty useful to a desktop user .
Run hourly / daily snapshots as cron jobs to guard against accidental deletion and then use zfs send to transmit them to your backup server .
The ULE scheduler originally provided better performance on latency-sensitive workloads ( a typical desktop ) at the cost of throughput .
As a result , it was n't enabled by default .
With FreeBSD 8 , it 's been improved and now does better on all workloads ( including beating Linux on MySQL SMP benchmarks ) and scales linearly to 8 cores ( I 've not seen tests beyond that ) .
Jails probably are n't useful to most desktop users , but they are to power users .
With ZFS , creating a new fail filesystem is just a matter of cloning a fresh install , which is an O ( 1 ) operation ( and very fast ) and that gives you an isolated install to work with .
Great for running untested or untrusted apps ; just install them in a jail and they ca n't get out .
With FreeBSD 8 , you can now assign a CPU to a jail and each jail has a complete virtualised instance of the network stack , so FreeBSD jails are effectively very lightweight VMs .
DTrace , again , is more useful to developers than end users .
It lets you insert probes into running applications ( using binary rewriting tricks , where function prologs are replaced with unconditional jumps to JIT-compiled code that does the profiling ) .
This is by far the most powerful profiling and debugging framework I 've come across .
So , I guess , the real question is why you 'd use Linux over FreeBSD ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sound works.
That's why I switched for FreeBSD.
Back in the 4.x days (around 2001) multiple applications could write to /dev/dsp (back then they needed to have /dev/dsp.1 and so on, but that was fixed with FreeBSD 5), and all could play sound even though my cheap AC97 on-board sound didn't support mixing in hardware.
On Linux, apps needed to be rewritten with ALSA to take advantage of mixing, or needed to use sound daemons which gave horrific latency.
Meanwhile, I was playing music with XMMS, getting sound effects in BZFlag, and having my mail and IM clients go bing in the background when I got a message.
FreeBSD 8 improves this with a full OSSv4 implementation, including per-application volume channels.
Unlike the 4Front OSS implementation, there are some hacks that let apps that use the old OSS 3 API (and ABI) use these by faking a mixer device for each app.
It also has the highest-performance mixing algorithm around and supports a few things like encoded digital pass through (for AC3 and similar on an external decoder) without disabling the in-kernel mixing.
ZFS is pretty useful to a desktop user.
Run hourly / daily snapshots as cron jobs to guard against accidental deletion and then use zfs send to transmit them to your backup server.
The ULE scheduler originally provided better performance on latency-sensitive workloads (a typical desktop) at the cost of throughput.
As a result, it wasn't enabled by default.
With FreeBSD 8, it's been improved and now does better on all workloads (including beating Linux on MySQL SMP benchmarks) and scales linearly to 8 cores (I've not seen tests beyond that).
Jails probably aren't useful to most desktop users, but they are to power users.
With ZFS, creating a new fail filesystem is just a matter of cloning a fresh install, which is an O(1) operation (and very fast) and that gives you an isolated install to work with.
Great for running untested or untrusted apps; just install them in a jail and they can't get out.
With FreeBSD 8, you can now assign a CPU to a jail and each jail has a complete virtualised instance of the network stack, so FreeBSD jails are effectively very lightweight VMs.
DTrace, again, is more useful to developers than end users.
It lets you insert probes into running applications (using binary rewriting tricks, where function prologs are replaced with unconditional jumps to JIT-compiled code that does the profiling).
This is by far the most powerful profiling and debugging framework I've come across.
So, I guess, the real question is why you'd use Linux over FreeBSD?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30244610</id>
	<title>Re:Awesome!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259328300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You see, you need to learn how to ask questions. What you did was come in with bits and pieces and of things you heard over the years and stated them as facts.</p><p>And now that the person you are replying to got you rolling, you keep doing the same things after an amount of research that probably didn't take longer then reading the first paragraph in the Wikipedia entry for osx.</p><p>You shouldn't be quoting "facts" unless you are an expert in the field.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You see , you need to learn how to ask questions .
What you did was come in with bits and pieces and of things you heard over the years and stated them as facts.And now that the person you are replying to got you rolling , you keep doing the same things after an amount of research that probably did n't take longer then reading the first paragraph in the Wikipedia entry for osx.You should n't be quoting " facts " unless you are an expert in the field .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You see, you need to learn how to ask questions.
What you did was come in with bits and pieces and of things you heard over the years and stated them as facts.And now that the person you are replying to got you rolling, you keep doing the same things after an amount of research that probably didn't take longer then reading the first paragraph in the Wikipedia entry for osx.You shouldn't be quoting "facts" unless you are an expert in the field.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30242666</id>
	<title>Re:Awesome!</title>
	<author>hairyfeet</author>
	<datestamp>1259257440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How is asking a couple of questions flamebait? I'm really getting sick of every post that doesn't read like a fucking press release getting modded flamebait or troll by fanboy douchebags. It has gotten to the point you have to turn off all the filters and have to put up with the nigger and faggot posts just to read anything on Slashdot that isn't "boy, isn't product x wonderful! Gee, it sure is!"</p><p>If you can show me a large BSD deployment at a major company (And NO Apple is NOT BSD! It is a proprietary locked down OS that uses some BSD underpinnings. You might as well call Windows BSD by that definition) then I will be happy to take back what I said, but frankly I've never heard of it. The only time I HAVE heard of BSD being deployed is EXACTLY like I wrote-routers,pbx systems, etc. Nice large locked down network appliances. </p><p>

So mark flamebait ALL you want, fanboys, that don't make 2+2 = 5. Compared to even Linux BSD adoption for desktops has to be pretty damned tiny. So all of my questions were legitimate-can they keep up development pace, can they keep people motivated with such a tiny userbase, is support in the form of $$$ rolling in in enough quantities to keep them from having to quit to get day jobs, is there any major corporations bankrolling them like Redhat is doing as far as R&amp;D? So I'm sorry if it hurt your wittle feelings that I dared to point out the inherent problems that comes with having a tiny niche. Just remember there are still those out there trying to build on the Amiga, that don't make it any less of a corpse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How is asking a couple of questions flamebait ?
I 'm really getting sick of every post that does n't read like a fucking press release getting modded flamebait or troll by fanboy douchebags .
It has gotten to the point you have to turn off all the filters and have to put up with the nigger and faggot posts just to read anything on Slashdot that is n't " boy , is n't product x wonderful !
Gee , it sure is !
" If you can show me a large BSD deployment at a major company ( And NO Apple is NOT BSD !
It is a proprietary locked down OS that uses some BSD underpinnings .
You might as well call Windows BSD by that definition ) then I will be happy to take back what I said , but frankly I 've never heard of it .
The only time I HAVE heard of BSD being deployed is EXACTLY like I wrote-routers,pbx systems , etc .
Nice large locked down network appliances .
So mark flamebait ALL you want , fanboys , that do n't make 2 + 2 = 5 .
Compared to even Linux BSD adoption for desktops has to be pretty damned tiny .
So all of my questions were legitimate-can they keep up development pace , can they keep people motivated with such a tiny userbase , is support in the form of $ $ $ rolling in in enough quantities to keep them from having to quit to get day jobs , is there any major corporations bankrolling them like Redhat is doing as far as R&amp;D ?
So I 'm sorry if it hurt your wittle feelings that I dared to point out the inherent problems that comes with having a tiny niche .
Just remember there are still those out there trying to build on the Amiga , that do n't make it any less of a corpse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is asking a couple of questions flamebait?
I'm really getting sick of every post that doesn't read like a fucking press release getting modded flamebait or troll by fanboy douchebags.
It has gotten to the point you have to turn off all the filters and have to put up with the nigger and faggot posts just to read anything on Slashdot that isn't "boy, isn't product x wonderful!
Gee, it sure is!
"If you can show me a large BSD deployment at a major company (And NO Apple is NOT BSD!
It is a proprietary locked down OS that uses some BSD underpinnings.
You might as well call Windows BSD by that definition) then I will be happy to take back what I said, but frankly I've never heard of it.
The only time I HAVE heard of BSD being deployed is EXACTLY like I wrote-routers,pbx systems, etc.
Nice large locked down network appliances.
So mark flamebait ALL you want, fanboys, that don't make 2+2 = 5.
Compared to even Linux BSD adoption for desktops has to be pretty damned tiny.
So all of my questions were legitimate-can they keep up development pace, can they keep people motivated with such a tiny userbase, is support in the form of $$$ rolling in in enough quantities to keep them from having to quit to get day jobs, is there any major corporations bankrolling them like Redhat is doing as far as R&amp;D?
So I'm sorry if it hurt your wittle feelings that I dared to point out the inherent problems that comes with having a tiny niche.
Just remember there are still those out there trying to build on the Amiga, that don't make it any less of a corpse.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30239492</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30243570</id>
	<title>Re:Why would a desktop user would run it?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259313540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Plain and simple... Unix is over 30 yrs old. A rugged, mature, operating system in comparison to the still teenaged Linux. Just the ports system
makes BSD eclipse the nightmare of program installation on a Linux box. Yes, you do have lots of nice sand-boxed apps that can install nicely..
but BSD allows you an easy install everything in the Ports dir. I'll take a battle-scarred Unix any day over Linux.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Plain and simple... Unix is over 30 yrs old .
A rugged , mature , operating system in comparison to the still teenaged Linux .
Just the ports system makes BSD eclipse the nightmare of program installation on a Linux box .
Yes , you do have lots of nice sand-boxed apps that can install nicely. . but BSD allows you an easy install everything in the Ports dir .
I 'll take a battle-scarred Unix any day over Linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Plain and simple... Unix is over 30 yrs old.
A rugged, mature, operating system in comparison to the still teenaged Linux.
Just the ports system
makes BSD eclipse the nightmare of program installation on a Linux box.
Yes, you do have lots of nice sand-boxed apps that can install nicely..
but BSD allows you an easy install everything in the Ports dir.
I'll take a battle-scarred Unix any day over Linux.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30239618</id>
	<title>Re:To slightly paraphrase The Who</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259229540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>can someone please mod this - dipshit?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>can someone please mod this - dipshit ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>can someone please mod this - dipshit?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30239972</id>
	<title>What?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259233080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm going to guess something got lost in translation in this summary.  I have an amd64 machine that runs 64-bit nvidia glx without any problems.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm going to guess something got lost in translation in this summary .
I have an amd64 machine that runs 64-bit nvidia glx without any problems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm going to guess something got lost in translation in this summary.
I have an amd64 machine that runs 64-bit nvidia glx without any problems.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30239068</id>
	<title>Using it now for my home "superserver"</title>
	<author>RT Alec</author>
	<datestamp>1259267460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>PF + AltQ, a ZFS raidz array, and booting from a CF card. Excellent job, kudos to the FreeBSD team!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>PF + AltQ , a ZFS raidz array , and booting from a CF card .
Excellent job , kudos to the FreeBSD team !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>PF + AltQ, a ZFS raidz array, and booting from a CF card.
Excellent job, kudos to the FreeBSD team!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30239578</id>
	<title>Re:Why would a desktop user would run it?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259229300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why on earth would a desktop user run Linux instead of Windows, when it doesn't add a single feature available on Windows?</p><p>What? You can run notepad and solitaire in Wine?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why on earth would a desktop user run Linux instead of Windows , when it does n't add a single feature available on Windows ? What ?
You can run notepad and solitaire in Wine ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why on earth would a desktop user run Linux instead of Windows, when it doesn't add a single feature available on Windows?What?
You can run notepad and solitaire in Wine?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30239194</id>
	<title>wpa\_supplicant replacement?</title>
	<author>FudRucker</author>
	<datestamp>1259268600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>wpa\_supplicant needs to either be dumped and replaced with something better or the people that work on wpa\_supplicant need rework it to support a wider variety of wifi cards</htmltext>
<tokenext>wpa \ _supplicant needs to either be dumped and replaced with something better or the people that work on wpa \ _supplicant need rework it to support a wider variety of wifi cards</tokentext>
<sentencetext>wpa\_supplicant needs to either be dumped and replaced with something better or the people that work on wpa\_supplicant need rework it to support a wider variety of wifi cards</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30239874</id>
	<title>No XFS support</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259232060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would have loved to try and dual boot FreeBSD, but it doesn't support XFS at all.  The partitions that hold my media files are all XFS filesystems.  One of the best features of linux is its wide support of various filesystems, even long obsolete ones.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would have loved to try and dual boot FreeBSD , but it does n't support XFS at all .
The partitions that hold my media files are all XFS filesystems .
One of the best features of linux is its wide support of various filesystems , even long obsolete ones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would have loved to try and dual boot FreeBSD, but it doesn't support XFS at all.
The partitions that hold my media files are all XFS filesystems.
One of the best features of linux is its wide support of various filesystems, even long obsolete ones.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30239020</id>
	<title>Funny how similar the free Unices are</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259266980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most of this could be from a Linux distribution list of new features... Slightly ahead in some ways, slightly behind in others.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most of this could be from a Linux distribution list of new features... Slightly ahead in some ways , slightly behind in others .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most of this could be from a Linux distribution list of new features... Slightly ahead in some ways, slightly behind in others.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30240946</id>
	<title>Re:Roundabout</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259240640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is the bad thing about the FreeBSD "community". Their system is nice but they insist on contaminating it with binary blobs and compatibility layers to emulate crappy Operating Systems (Windows, Fedora).<br>If you are going to use Windows drivers wrapped around a Linux wrapper to use Windows programs and play Windows games, you could as well use, you know, Windows 7!<br>Emulating them you are telling the vendors, hey! don't care about us just support Windows! instead of fuck you bitch which is what nVidia et al deserve.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is the bad thing about the FreeBSD " community " .
Their system is nice but they insist on contaminating it with binary blobs and compatibility layers to emulate crappy Operating Systems ( Windows , Fedora ) .If you are going to use Windows drivers wrapped around a Linux wrapper to use Windows programs and play Windows games , you could as well use , you know , Windows 7 ! Emulating them you are telling the vendors , hey !
do n't care about us just support Windows !
instead of fuck you bitch which is what nVidia et al deserve .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is the bad thing about the FreeBSD "community".
Their system is nice but they insist on contaminating it with binary blobs and compatibility layers to emulate crappy Operating Systems (Windows, Fedora).If you are going to use Windows drivers wrapped around a Linux wrapper to use Windows programs and play Windows games, you could as well use, you know, Windows 7!Emulating them you are telling the vendors, hey!
don't care about us just support Windows!
instead of fuck you bitch which is what nVidia et al deserve.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30242030</id>
	<title>Re:Why would a desktop user would run it?</title>
	<author>ffflala</author>
	<datestamp>1259250480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So, I guess, the real question is why you'd use Linux over FreeBSD?</p></div><p>The real time, low latencey kernel available to user accounts is pretty much the only reason I do. It's a must for multitrack sound recording.</p><p>The last time I was using FreeBSD regularly (late 4.x through 6.0), the real-time kernel access required for low-latency recording (a must for multitrack recording) was only available if you were running as root. At this time it was available via Igno Molnar's kernel patch and a rebuild.</p><p>
&nbsp; My understanding was that the structure blocking users from real time kernel access is an intentional security design and very unlikely to change in FreeBSD. Do you happen to know if it has?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So , I guess , the real question is why you 'd use Linux over FreeBSD ? The real time , low latencey kernel available to user accounts is pretty much the only reason I do .
It 's a must for multitrack sound recording.The last time I was using FreeBSD regularly ( late 4.x through 6.0 ) , the real-time kernel access required for low-latency recording ( a must for multitrack recording ) was only available if you were running as root .
At this time it was available via Igno Molnar 's kernel patch and a rebuild .
  My understanding was that the structure blocking users from real time kernel access is an intentional security design and very unlikely to change in FreeBSD .
Do you happen to know if it has ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, I guess, the real question is why you'd use Linux over FreeBSD?The real time, low latencey kernel available to user accounts is pretty much the only reason I do.
It's a must for multitrack sound recording.The last time I was using FreeBSD regularly (late 4.x through 6.0), the real-time kernel access required for low-latency recording (a must for multitrack recording) was only available if you were running as root.
At this time it was available via Igno Molnar's kernel patch and a rebuild.
  My understanding was that the structure blocking users from real time kernel access is an intentional security design and very unlikely to change in FreeBSD.
Do you happen to know if it has?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30259328</id>
	<title>Scared!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259433060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Linux holy ppl should be very scared now.  Scared, they are.  So many anti-BSD posts shows how scared they are.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Linux holy ppl should be very scared now .
Scared , they are .
So many anti-BSD posts shows how scared they are .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Linux holy ppl should be very scared now.
Scared, they are.
So many anti-BSD posts shows how scared they are.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30243806</id>
	<title>Re:Why would a desktop user would run it?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259316780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So, I guess, the real question is why you'd use Linux over FreeBSD?</p></div><p>KVM?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So , I guess , the real question is why you 'd use Linux over FreeBSD ? KVM ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, I guess, the real question is why you'd use Linux over FreeBSD?KVM?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30242984</id>
	<title>Re:Why would a desktop user would run it?</title>
	<author>smash</author>
	<datestamp>1259262000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In my experience...<ul> <li>ports: cd<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/usr/ports/[package class]/[package name] &amp;&amp; make &amp;&amp; make install - done.  however, if there is a package available, i just use that - pkg\_add -r packagename will install the package off the network, with any dependencies as well - in a single step</li><li>can't comment on 1 year old laptop support, haven't run it on a laptop for a while</li><li>not sure</li><li>sysinstall will do this</li><li>3d support on intel = x.org - works as far as i know, the driver is open source</li><li>ext3, nfs are read-write.  ntfs is read fine, writing is a bit "Experimental", but AFAIK thats the case with linux too.</li></ul><p>
I'd install it and give it a shot.  You're right about the "feel".  I think its because the kernel and userland are put out by the same core team, with the same quality standards and policies.  It feels much more like an integrated system, rather than slapped together components.
</p><p>
I can't wait until CLANG is the default compiler, keen to see the speed-up...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In my experience... ports : cd /usr/ports/ [ package class ] / [ package name ] &amp;&amp; make &amp;&amp; make install - done .
however , if there is a package available , i just use that - pkg \ _add -r packagename will install the package off the network , with any dependencies as well - in a single stepca n't comment on 1 year old laptop support , have n't run it on a laptop for a whilenot suresysinstall will do this3d support on intel = x.org - works as far as i know , the driver is open sourceext3 , nfs are read-write .
ntfs is read fine , writing is a bit " Experimental " , but AFAIK thats the case with linux too .
I 'd install it and give it a shot .
You 're right about the " feel " .
I think its because the kernel and userland are put out by the same core team , with the same quality standards and policies .
It feels much more like an integrated system , rather than slapped together components .
I ca n't wait until CLANG is the default compiler , keen to see the speed-up.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In my experience... ports: cd /usr/ports/[package class]/[package name] &amp;&amp; make &amp;&amp; make install - done.
however, if there is a package available, i just use that - pkg\_add -r packagename will install the package off the network, with any dependencies as well - in a single stepcan't comment on 1 year old laptop support, haven't run it on a laptop for a whilenot suresysinstall will do this3d support on intel = x.org - works as far as i know, the driver is open sourceext3, nfs are read-write.
ntfs is read fine, writing is a bit "Experimental", but AFAIK thats the case with linux too.
I'd install it and give it a shot.
You're right about the "feel".
I think its because the kernel and userland are put out by the same core team, with the same quality standards and policies.
It feels much more like an integrated system, rather than slapped together components.
I can't wait until CLANG is the default compiler, keen to see the speed-up...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30239368</id>
	<title>Re:Why would a desktop user would run it?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259227200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>But to each her own.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div></blockquote><p>Her? This is Slashdot you know.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But to each her own .
: ) Her ? This is Slashdot you know .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But to each her own.
:)Her? This is Slashdot you know.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30241602</id>
	<title>Re:No XFS support</title>
	<author>Opyros</author>
	<datestamp>1259246280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>From <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFS" title="wikipedia.org">Wikipedia</a> [wikipedia.org]:<blockquote><div><p>FreeBSD gained read-only support for XFS in December 2005 and in June 2006 experimental write support was introduced; however this is supposed to be used only as an aid in migration from Linux, not to be used as a "main" filesystem.</p></div></blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From Wikipedia [ wikipedia.org ] : FreeBSD gained read-only support for XFS in December 2005 and in June 2006 experimental write support was introduced ; however this is supposed to be used only as an aid in migration from Linux , not to be used as a " main " filesystem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From Wikipedia [wikipedia.org]:FreeBSD gained read-only support for XFS in December 2005 and in June 2006 experimental write support was introduced; however this is supposed to be used only as an aid in migration from Linux, not to be used as a "main" filesystem.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30239714</id>
	<title>Re:To slightly paraphrase The Who</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259230560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Meet the new Boss, Same as the old Boss.</p><p>Maybe it's me, or are we starting to see BSD &amp; Linux become the new Gnome vs KDE or new<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.deb vs<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.rpm? Debian &amp; BSD they can now handle each other's packages (like KDE apps can run in Gnome and vice versa if the right libraries are installed) and I stand back and wonder if Google and others might be right where the apps are everything and the underlying OS means very little to the average consumer.</p><p>Irregardless, cheers to the OpenBSD crew on another release, even if I'm a Kubuntu user. When one of us does well, we all do.</p></div><p>Anyone using 'Irregardless' as a real word needs to step back.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Meet the new Boss , Same as the old Boss.Maybe it 's me , or are we starting to see BSD &amp; Linux become the new Gnome vs KDE or new .deb vs .rpm ?
Debian &amp; BSD they can now handle each other 's packages ( like KDE apps can run in Gnome and vice versa if the right libraries are installed ) and I stand back and wonder if Google and others might be right where the apps are everything and the underlying OS means very little to the average consumer.Irregardless , cheers to the OpenBSD crew on another release , even if I 'm a Kubuntu user .
When one of us does well , we all do.Anyone using 'Irregardless ' as a real word needs to step back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Meet the new Boss, Same as the old Boss.Maybe it's me, or are we starting to see BSD &amp; Linux become the new Gnome vs KDE or new .deb vs .rpm?
Debian &amp; BSD they can now handle each other's packages (like KDE apps can run in Gnome and vice versa if the right libraries are installed) and I stand back and wonder if Google and others might be right where the apps are everything and the underlying OS means very little to the average consumer.Irregardless, cheers to the OpenBSD crew on another release, even if I'm a Kubuntu user.
When one of us does well, we all do.Anyone using 'Irregardless' as a real word needs to step back.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30265674</id>
	<title>Re:Why would a desktop user would run it?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259508780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sill Linux user. You didn't know BSD had women?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sill Linux user .
You did n't know BSD had women ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sill Linux user.
You didn't know BSD had women?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30239062</id>
	<title>I'll try it.</title>
	<author>palegray.net</author>
	<datestamp>1259267400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If only for the improvements to ZFS I'll give it a shot.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If only for the improvements to ZFS I 'll give it a shot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If only for the improvements to ZFS I'll give it a shot.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30244104</id>
	<title>Re:Awesome!</title>
	<author>Undead NDR</author>
	<datestamp>1259319960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I'm getting a surplus Dell Latitude from work. Was going to load Ubuntu but FreeBSD 8 plus KDE 4.3.0 (or later) looks like a fairly crisp choice for me. Anybody have any experience with this combination?</p></div></blockquote><p>Not with that particular make and model, but a while back I've been running FreeBSD (6.2 and 7) on my laptop for some months.</p><p>Sadly, I've had to give up on it because it didn't provide decent ACPI (suspend/resume) support and hardware graphics acceleration.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm getting a surplus Dell Latitude from work .
Was going to load Ubuntu but FreeBSD 8 plus KDE 4.3.0 ( or later ) looks like a fairly crisp choice for me .
Anybody have any experience with this combination ? Not with that particular make and model , but a while back I 've been running FreeBSD ( 6.2 and 7 ) on my laptop for some months.Sadly , I 've had to give up on it because it did n't provide decent ACPI ( suspend/resume ) support and hardware graphics acceleration .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm getting a surplus Dell Latitude from work.
Was going to load Ubuntu but FreeBSD 8 plus KDE 4.3.0 (or later) looks like a fairly crisp choice for me.
Anybody have any experience with this combination?Not with that particular make and model, but a while back I've been running FreeBSD (6.2 and 7) on my laptop for some months.Sadly, I've had to give up on it because it didn't provide decent ACPI (suspend/resume) support and hardware graphics acceleration.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30239970</id>
	<title>Re:Why would a desktop user would run it?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1259233020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because I could not stand a package manager worse than portage anymore. ^^<br>Yes, that means that all RPM-based distros can go to hell in my personal opinion.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)<br>(I know that Gentoo got the idea from Ports. That is why I respect FreeBSD.)</p><p>But what you write sounds like it&rsquo;s a pretty great system to make music on, right? I hope it has a real-time kernel...<br>Also ZFS is a giant plus for me, after I lost half my archive because of data corruption.</p><p>DTrace again, is not very useful for me, because the Haskell compiler (GHC) is freakin&rsquo; sweet. The debugger allows you to go <em>backwards</em> in execution, amongst other things.</p><p>But when I look at the features listed in TFS as being new to FreeBSD... I have those things in my kernel for a loong time now. I would be pretty worried to not have them until now.</p><p>Another thing I don&rsquo;t get: What is the point of putting a version number to a whole distro? I mean it&rsquo;s not as if it were in any way related to the version of anything in it. But I guess you get used to it, when using Portage...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because I could not stand a package manager worse than portage anymore .
^ ^ Yes , that means that all RPM-based distros can go to hell in my personal opinion .
; ) ( I know that Gentoo got the idea from Ports .
That is why I respect FreeBSD .
) But what you write sounds like it    s a pretty great system to make music on , right ?
I hope it has a real-time kernel...Also ZFS is a giant plus for me , after I lost half my archive because of data corruption.DTrace again , is not very useful for me , because the Haskell compiler ( GHC ) is freakin    sweet .
The debugger allows you to go backwards in execution , amongst other things.But when I look at the features listed in TFS as being new to FreeBSD... I have those things in my kernel for a loong time now .
I would be pretty worried to not have them until now.Another thing I don    t get : What is the point of putting a version number to a whole distro ?
I mean it    s not as if it were in any way related to the version of anything in it .
But I guess you get used to it , when using Portage.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because I could not stand a package manager worse than portage anymore.
^^Yes, that means that all RPM-based distros can go to hell in my personal opinion.
;)(I know that Gentoo got the idea from Ports.
That is why I respect FreeBSD.
)But what you write sounds like it’s a pretty great system to make music on, right?
I hope it has a real-time kernel...Also ZFS is a giant plus for me, after I lost half my archive because of data corruption.DTrace again, is not very useful for me, because the Haskell compiler (GHC) is freakin’ sweet.
The debugger allows you to go backwards in execution, amongst other things.But when I look at the features listed in TFS as being new to FreeBSD... I have those things in my kernel for a loong time now.
I would be pretty worried to not have them until now.Another thing I don’t get: What is the point of putting a version number to a whole distro?
I mean it’s not as if it were in any way related to the version of anything in it.
But I guess you get used to it, when using Portage...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30239306</id>
	<title>Re:Awesome!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259226540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes! 8 &gt; 7, thus FreeBSD 8 must be better than Windows 7!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes !
8 &gt; 7 , thus FreeBSD 8 must be better than Windows 7 !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes!
8 &gt; 7, thus FreeBSD 8 must be better than Windows 7!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30240496</id>
	<title>If only java was supported</title>
	<author>Billly Gates</author>
	<datestamp>1259237400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FreeBSD 4.x was hot back in the old days of 2003ish. After pulling my hair out with Gentoo FreeBSD was well integrated and stable.</p><p>I know there is experimental 5 year old patches for java 1.3x which I successfully compiled which looked like a bootstrap hack with an emulated jvm just to compile it. FreeBSD 5.x was just terrible and i kept using 4.x until 4.12 before switching back to Windows. I hope it got better as not even my simple usb keyboard that was supported with FBSD 3.,x and 4.x would not work with 5.x and 6.x</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FreeBSD 4.x was hot back in the old days of 2003ish .
After pulling my hair out with Gentoo FreeBSD was well integrated and stable.I know there is experimental 5 year old patches for java 1.3x which I successfully compiled which looked like a bootstrap hack with an emulated jvm just to compile it .
FreeBSD 5.x was just terrible and i kept using 4.x until 4.12 before switching back to Windows .
I hope it got better as not even my simple usb keyboard that was supported with FBSD 3.,x and 4.x would not work with 5.x and 6.x</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FreeBSD 4.x was hot back in the old days of 2003ish.
After pulling my hair out with Gentoo FreeBSD was well integrated and stable.I know there is experimental 5 year old patches for java 1.3x which I successfully compiled which looked like a bootstrap hack with an emulated jvm just to compile it.
FreeBSD 5.x was just terrible and i kept using 4.x until 4.12 before switching back to Windows.
I hope it got better as not even my simple usb keyboard that was supported with FBSD 3.,x and 4.x would not work with 5.x and 6.x</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30239138</id>
	<title>Re:Why would a desktop user would run it?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259268120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Why on earth would a desktop user run FreeBSD instead of Linux, when it doesn't add a single feature available on Linux?</p></div></blockquote><p>

FreeBSD is a very nice, clean system which is a pure joy to use as a server or desktop -- especially if you like to build your own software.
But to each her own.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><blockquote><div><p>What? You can emulate Linux binaries?</p></div></blockquote><p>
For quite a few years now we've had the ability to run linux binaries via a kernel module called the linuxulator. Handy for flash and a few other things.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why on earth would a desktop user run FreeBSD instead of Linux , when it does n't add a single feature available on Linux ?
FreeBSD is a very nice , clean system which is a pure joy to use as a server or desktop -- especially if you like to build your own software .
But to each her own .
: ) What ? You can emulate Linux binaries ?
For quite a few years now we 've had the ability to run linux binaries via a kernel module called the linuxulator .
Handy for flash and a few other things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why on earth would a desktop user run FreeBSD instead of Linux, when it doesn't add a single feature available on Linux?
FreeBSD is a very nice, clean system which is a pure joy to use as a server or desktop -- especially if you like to build your own software.
But to each her own.
:)What? You can emulate Linux binaries?
For quite a few years now we've had the ability to run linux binaries via a kernel module called the linuxulator.
Handy for flash and a few other things.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30243184</id>
	<title>Re:Awesome!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259265180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What you are looking for is this: http://www.tomahawkcomputers.com/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What you are looking for is this : http : //www.tomahawkcomputers.com/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What you are looking for is this: http://www.tomahawkcomputers.com/</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30239492</id>
	<title>Re:Awesome!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259228400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously though, is there even enough BSD <em>desktop</em> users to even worry about? That must be a truly itty bitty number, like 0.0001\% or something. Not trying to cut down BSD, it is just from what I understand BSD is THE distro to go to to make routers, firewalls, all kinds of uber hardened network appliances for corporate and enterprise usage. I have never really heard of anybody doing large BSD desktop deployments like you do with RHEL or SUSE.</p><p>

So is there <em>really</em> enough users out there to make all this hard work worth it? I know if they want to do it "just because" that of course is fine too, but I would think that since BSD is so widely used in the network appliance role that someone would build a Redhat style corporation around BSD and most of the funding would be that way. Is there any major corps funding BSD?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously though , is there even enough BSD desktop users to even worry about ?
That must be a truly itty bitty number , like 0.0001 \ % or something .
Not trying to cut down BSD , it is just from what I understand BSD is THE distro to go to to make routers , firewalls , all kinds of uber hardened network appliances for corporate and enterprise usage .
I have never really heard of anybody doing large BSD desktop deployments like you do with RHEL or SUSE .
So is there really enough users out there to make all this hard work worth it ?
I know if they want to do it " just because " that of course is fine too , but I would think that since BSD is so widely used in the network appliance role that someone would build a Redhat style corporation around BSD and most of the funding would be that way .
Is there any major corps funding BSD ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously though, is there even enough BSD desktop users to even worry about?
That must be a truly itty bitty number, like 0.0001\% or something.
Not trying to cut down BSD, it is just from what I understand BSD is THE distro to go to to make routers, firewalls, all kinds of uber hardened network appliances for corporate and enterprise usage.
I have never really heard of anybody doing large BSD desktop deployments like you do with RHEL or SUSE.
So is there really enough users out there to make all this hard work worth it?
I know if they want to do it "just because" that of course is fine too, but I would think that since BSD is so widely used in the network appliance role that someone would build a Redhat style corporation around BSD and most of the funding would be that way.
Is there any major corps funding BSD?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30255376</id>
	<title>ZFS on ARM!</title>
	<author>ivoras</author>
	<datestamp>1259432940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>One interesting and yet unexplored scenario with FreeBSD is using it for the ZFS in small "appliance" devices, like ARM-based NAS servers. Give it enough RAM and there appears a very interesting opportunity.</htmltext>
<tokenext>One interesting and yet unexplored scenario with FreeBSD is using it for the ZFS in small " appliance " devices , like ARM-based NAS servers .
Give it enough RAM and there appears a very interesting opportunity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One interesting and yet unexplored scenario with FreeBSD is using it for the ZFS in small "appliance" devices, like ARM-based NAS servers.
Give it enough RAM and there appears a very interesting opportunity.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30239114</id>
	<title>Re:Why would a desktop user would run it?</title>
	<author>ceeam</author>
	<datestamp>1259267880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>s/Linux/Windows/g<br>s/FreeBSD/Linux/g</p><p>There will be your answer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>s/Linux/Windows/gs/FreeBSD/Linux/gThere will be your answer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>s/Linux/Windows/gs/FreeBSD/Linux/gThere will be your answer.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30240766</id>
	<title>Re:Why would a desktop user would run it?</title>
	<author>Cyberax</author>
	<datestamp>1259239320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>including beating Linux on MySQL SMP benchmarks</p></div><p>No, it doesn't. However, beating Linux was one of motivations for rewriting the old O(1) scheduler.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>including beating Linux on MySQL SMP benchmarksNo , it does n't .
However , beating Linux was one of motivations for rewriting the old O ( 1 ) scheduler .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>including beating Linux on MySQL SMP benchmarksNo, it doesn't.
However, beating Linux was one of motivations for rewriting the old O(1) scheduler.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30241138</id>
	<title>Re:Why would a desktop user would run it?</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1259242020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Ports. I'm very used to apt&amp;dpkg. I haven't spent a lot of time learning to use the ports system, so tell me: can I expect the ports (after learning them a bit) to be as comfortable in everyday use as apt?</p></div><p>Install portupgrade and then installing from both source and binary works nicely.  I've never had uninstalling fail, but if you like testing and uninstalling stuff then just create a cloned copy of the base system (with ZFS), set it as a jail, try it there, and then delete the whole jail later.  It's fast and easy, and will definitely clean up anything that's left over (temporary configuration files and so on).</p><p><div class="quote"><p>  - Hardware support. Can I expect the new FreeBSD to "just work" on a 1-year old laptop? I don't care about stuff like the wifi light, but other small things like SD card reader or the webcam are something that I'd hardly be giving up.</p></div><p>Depends on the machine.  It's been a few years since I tried to run FreeBSD on anything that wasn't 100\% supported out of the box, but your milage may vary.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>  - Full disk encryption. This is a must and I'm not going anywhere without it. I suppose it's there; but can I have swap on encrypted logical volume and still be able to do suspend to disk? (suspend to ram is also really handy)</p></div><p>
OpenBSD was the first system to get encrypted swap and FreeBSD copied it quickly (5.3 was the first to support it, but 6.0 tweaked it to use GEOM).  Not sure about suspend to encrypted swap, but it's a placebo if you're expecting true suspend to disk; it's not even theoretically possible to do it securely without something like a TPM, although that doesn't stop a few operating systems claiming it.  Without encrypted swap, suspend to RAM and disk work fine on my ThinkPad R31.  </p><p>
Encrypted volumes were supported with Vinim years ago, and GEOM when it was introduced.  I'm not sure if they are natively supported with ZFS, but you can always use a ZVOL as a GEOM provider and encrypt that.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>  - NetworkManager? Or something equivalent. I don't want to go to commandline unless a task that I'm performing demands by its very nature a command-oriented user interface.</p></div><p>No idea.  Unlike Linux, the ifconfig tool on the command line doesn't suck, so I've never bothered looking at graphical alternatives.  If you want a pointy-clicky system then I'd suggest that you look at PC-BSD, which is a more user-oriented FreeBSD distribution.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>  - 3D support on Intel graphics?</p></div><p>Given that the Intel drivers are developed by the FreeBSD DRI maintained, I'd be very surprised if they didn't.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>  - read&amp;write support for ext3, ntfs, etc for Linux and Windows inter-op?</p></div><p>Ext3 uses the same layout as ext2, which is supported in-kernel.  NTFS uses the same userspace driver as Linux.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Ports .
I 'm very used to apt&amp;dpkg .
I have n't spent a lot of time learning to use the ports system , so tell me : can I expect the ports ( after learning them a bit ) to be as comfortable in everyday use as apt ? Install portupgrade and then installing from both source and binary works nicely .
I 've never had uninstalling fail , but if you like testing and uninstalling stuff then just create a cloned copy of the base system ( with ZFS ) , set it as a jail , try it there , and then delete the whole jail later .
It 's fast and easy , and will definitely clean up anything that 's left over ( temporary configuration files and so on ) .
- Hardware support .
Can I expect the new FreeBSD to " just work " on a 1-year old laptop ?
I do n't care about stuff like the wifi light , but other small things like SD card reader or the webcam are something that I 'd hardly be giving up.Depends on the machine .
It 's been a few years since I tried to run FreeBSD on anything that was n't 100 \ % supported out of the box , but your milage may vary .
- Full disk encryption .
This is a must and I 'm not going anywhere without it .
I suppose it 's there ; but can I have swap on encrypted logical volume and still be able to do suspend to disk ?
( suspend to ram is also really handy ) OpenBSD was the first system to get encrypted swap and FreeBSD copied it quickly ( 5.3 was the first to support it , but 6.0 tweaked it to use GEOM ) .
Not sure about suspend to encrypted swap , but it 's a placebo if you 're expecting true suspend to disk ; it 's not even theoretically possible to do it securely without something like a TPM , although that does n't stop a few operating systems claiming it .
Without encrypted swap , suspend to RAM and disk work fine on my ThinkPad R31 .
Encrypted volumes were supported with Vinim years ago , and GEOM when it was introduced .
I 'm not sure if they are natively supported with ZFS , but you can always use a ZVOL as a GEOM provider and encrypt that .
- NetworkManager ?
Or something equivalent .
I do n't want to go to commandline unless a task that I 'm performing demands by its very nature a command-oriented user interface.No idea .
Unlike Linux , the ifconfig tool on the command line does n't suck , so I 've never bothered looking at graphical alternatives .
If you want a pointy-clicky system then I 'd suggest that you look at PC-BSD , which is a more user-oriented FreeBSD distribution .
- 3D support on Intel graphics ? Given that the Intel drivers are developed by the FreeBSD DRI maintained , I 'd be very surprised if they did n't .
- read&amp;write support for ext3 , ntfs , etc for Linux and Windows inter-op ? Ext3 uses the same layout as ext2 , which is supported in-kernel .
NTFS uses the same userspace driver as Linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ports.
I'm very used to apt&amp;dpkg.
I haven't spent a lot of time learning to use the ports system, so tell me: can I expect the ports (after learning them a bit) to be as comfortable in everyday use as apt?Install portupgrade and then installing from both source and binary works nicely.
I've never had uninstalling fail, but if you like testing and uninstalling stuff then just create a cloned copy of the base system (with ZFS), set it as a jail, try it there, and then delete the whole jail later.
It's fast and easy, and will definitely clean up anything that's left over (temporary configuration files and so on).
- Hardware support.
Can I expect the new FreeBSD to "just work" on a 1-year old laptop?
I don't care about stuff like the wifi light, but other small things like SD card reader or the webcam are something that I'd hardly be giving up.Depends on the machine.
It's been a few years since I tried to run FreeBSD on anything that wasn't 100\% supported out of the box, but your milage may vary.
- Full disk encryption.
This is a must and I'm not going anywhere without it.
I suppose it's there; but can I have swap on encrypted logical volume and still be able to do suspend to disk?
(suspend to ram is also really handy)
OpenBSD was the first system to get encrypted swap and FreeBSD copied it quickly (5.3 was the first to support it, but 6.0 tweaked it to use GEOM).
Not sure about suspend to encrypted swap, but it's a placebo if you're expecting true suspend to disk; it's not even theoretically possible to do it securely without something like a TPM, although that doesn't stop a few operating systems claiming it.
Without encrypted swap, suspend to RAM and disk work fine on my ThinkPad R31.
Encrypted volumes were supported with Vinim years ago, and GEOM when it was introduced.
I'm not sure if they are natively supported with ZFS, but you can always use a ZVOL as a GEOM provider and encrypt that.
- NetworkManager?
Or something equivalent.
I don't want to go to commandline unless a task that I'm performing demands by its very nature a command-oriented user interface.No idea.
Unlike Linux, the ifconfig tool on the command line doesn't suck, so I've never bothered looking at graphical alternatives.
If you want a pointy-clicky system then I'd suggest that you look at PC-BSD, which is a more user-oriented FreeBSD distribution.
- 3D support on Intel graphics?Given that the Intel drivers are developed by the FreeBSD DRI maintained, I'd be very surprised if they didn't.
- read&amp;write support for ext3, ntfs, etc for Linux and Windows inter-op?Ext3 uses the same layout as ext2, which is supported in-kernel.
NTFS uses the same userspace driver as Linux.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30239894</id>
	<title>Re:Awesome!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259232360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Seriously though, is there even enough BSD desktop users to even worry about? That must be a truly itty bitty number, like 0.0001\% or something."</p><p>Seriously though, does it matter a damn?  If it's good for the purpouse, then it's good for the purpouse no matter how many (or how little) people use it.  If number of users were a quality indicator, Windows would be the best system by an order of magnitude (hint: no, it's not).</p><p>And then again, for the casual desktop user, there's no difference between KDE on FreeBSD, KDE on Debian or KDE on Ubuntu.  For the expert user differences between FreeBSD and, say, Debian or Red Hat are quite within the same league (and certainly they are much more akin between them than the three compared to any Microsoft offer).</p><p>"it is just from what I understand BSD is THE distro to go to to make routers, firewalls, all kinds of uber hardened network appliances for corporate and enterprise usage."</p><p>It is just that your understandment fails.  That maybe can be the 'vox populi' about OpenBSD, not BSD as a whole.</p><p>"I have never really heard of anybody doing large BSD desktop deployments like you do with RHEL or SUSE."</p><p>Do you know that exactly your very flipplant rant can be used for unix-like systems as a whole, do you? ("I have never really heard of anybody doing large unix-like desktop deployments like you do with Windows").  Now, so what?</p><p>"So is there really enough users out there to make all this hard work worth it?"</p><p>Of course yes.  Proof: the ones doing the hard work consider themselves enough of a user pool to push for it -and in fact do it.</p><p>"I would think that since BSD is so widely used in the network appliance role that someone would build a Redhat style corporation around BSD and most of the funding would be that way."</p><p>Again you miserably misundestand what BSD is but, anyway, there *is* in fact a "Redhat style corporation around BSD" and it's even bigger than Red Hat.  You may recognize its name: Apple.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Seriously though , is there even enough BSD desktop users to even worry about ?
That must be a truly itty bitty number , like 0.0001 \ % or something .
" Seriously though , does it matter a damn ?
If it 's good for the purpouse , then it 's good for the purpouse no matter how many ( or how little ) people use it .
If number of users were a quality indicator , Windows would be the best system by an order of magnitude ( hint : no , it 's not ) .And then again , for the casual desktop user , there 's no difference between KDE on FreeBSD , KDE on Debian or KDE on Ubuntu .
For the expert user differences between FreeBSD and , say , Debian or Red Hat are quite within the same league ( and certainly they are much more akin between them than the three compared to any Microsoft offer ) .
" it is just from what I understand BSD is THE distro to go to to make routers , firewalls , all kinds of uber hardened network appliances for corporate and enterprise usage .
" It is just that your understandment fails .
That maybe can be the 'vox populi ' about OpenBSD , not BSD as a whole .
" I have never really heard of anybody doing large BSD desktop deployments like you do with RHEL or SUSE .
" Do you know that exactly your very flipplant rant can be used for unix-like systems as a whole , do you ?
( " I have never really heard of anybody doing large unix-like desktop deployments like you do with Windows " ) .
Now , so what ?
" So is there really enough users out there to make all this hard work worth it ?
" Of course yes .
Proof : the ones doing the hard work consider themselves enough of a user pool to push for it -and in fact do it .
" I would think that since BSD is so widely used in the network appliance role that someone would build a Redhat style corporation around BSD and most of the funding would be that way .
" Again you miserably misundestand what BSD is but , anyway , there * is * in fact a " Redhat style corporation around BSD " and it 's even bigger than Red Hat .
You may recognize its name : Apple .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Seriously though, is there even enough BSD desktop users to even worry about?
That must be a truly itty bitty number, like 0.0001\% or something.
"Seriously though, does it matter a damn?
If it's good for the purpouse, then it's good for the purpouse no matter how many (or how little) people use it.
If number of users were a quality indicator, Windows would be the best system by an order of magnitude (hint: no, it's not).And then again, for the casual desktop user, there's no difference between KDE on FreeBSD, KDE on Debian or KDE on Ubuntu.
For the expert user differences between FreeBSD and, say, Debian or Red Hat are quite within the same league (and certainly they are much more akin between them than the three compared to any Microsoft offer).
"it is just from what I understand BSD is THE distro to go to to make routers, firewalls, all kinds of uber hardened network appliances for corporate and enterprise usage.
"It is just that your understandment fails.
That maybe can be the 'vox populi' about OpenBSD, not BSD as a whole.
"I have never really heard of anybody doing large BSD desktop deployments like you do with RHEL or SUSE.
"Do you know that exactly your very flipplant rant can be used for unix-like systems as a whole, do you?
("I have never really heard of anybody doing large unix-like desktop deployments like you do with Windows").
Now, so what?
"So is there really enough users out there to make all this hard work worth it?
"Of course yes.
Proof: the ones doing the hard work consider themselves enough of a user pool to push for it -and in fact do it.
"I would think that since BSD is so widely used in the network appliance role that someone would build a Redhat style corporation around BSD and most of the funding would be that way.
"Again you miserably misundestand what BSD is but, anyway, there *is* in fact a "Redhat style corporation around BSD" and it's even bigger than Red Hat.
You may recognize its name: Apple.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30239094</id>
	<title>Re:Jumping the gun...</title>
	<author>cperciva</author>
	<datestamp>1259267760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I should also add that one link the submitter didn't include was instructions for upgrading to FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE from a previous release: <a href="http://www.daemonology.net/blog/2009-07-11-freebsd-update-to-8.0-beta1.html" title="daemonology.net">http://www.daemonology.net/blog/2009-07-11-freebsd-update-to-8.0-beta1.html</a> [daemonology.net] (obviously, apply s/8.0-BETA1/8.0-RELEASE/ to the instructions).</p><p>Before anyone asks, yes, that link <i>is</i> on my personal website -- but no, I'm not just posting it here to drive traffic in my direction.  That link is going to be in the <i>official</i> release announcement too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I should also add that one link the submitter did n't include was instructions for upgrading to FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE from a previous release : http : //www.daemonology.net/blog/2009-07-11-freebsd-update-to-8.0-beta1.html [ daemonology.net ] ( obviously , apply s/8.0-BETA1/8.0-RELEASE/ to the instructions ) .Before anyone asks , yes , that link is on my personal website -- but no , I 'm not just posting it here to drive traffic in my direction .
That link is going to be in the official release announcement too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I should also add that one link the submitter didn't include was instructions for upgrading to FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE from a previous release: http://www.daemonology.net/blog/2009-07-11-freebsd-update-to-8.0-beta1.html [daemonology.net] (obviously, apply s/8.0-BETA1/8.0-RELEASE/ to the instructions).Before anyone asks, yes, that link is on my personal website -- but no, I'm not just posting it here to drive traffic in my direction.
That link is going to be in the official release announcement too.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30241360</id>
	<title>Re:Awesome!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259244120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That depends on your definition of BSD.  Some people look at the userland and the large amount of BSD code in Mac OS X and call that BSD.  I'd say there are more than 0.01\% of users that are on mac os.</p><p>I started a project to make a desktop friendly BSD operating system called MidnightBSD.  There's also PC-BSD and the now defunct DesktopBSD.  The new problem is that Linux folks have grown inpatient with the linux on the desktop idea.  They want it now and feel that supporting other operating systems in their FOSS work is slowing linux down.  A few projects have really done some serious changes to their software to make it function poorly (or not at all) on other OSes including *BSDs.  Sometimes it's a lack of people to make reasonable updates to the kernels for various things like "new" video interfaces.  Even things like X.org have done shifts that make hardware acceleration a real pain in the butt on BSD platforms.  I've been shunned many times for trying to provide patches both for MidnightBSD and previously FreeBSD to other projects.</p><p>The FreeBSD project has had trouble getting patches upstreamed for things like GCC and binutils in the past.  In general, I think many GNU projects are starting to get grumpy with respect to *BSD patches.  There's a backlash with BSD developers trying to write alternatives that are under the BSD license because we must to survive.  Also, you get into situations like Apple buying cups and switching to LLVM because of fear of the GPLv3.  Perhaps fear is not the right word.</p><p>The open source community is not one big happy group but a series of factions that don't get along.  It's a shame really.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That depends on your definition of BSD .
Some people look at the userland and the large amount of BSD code in Mac OS X and call that BSD .
I 'd say there are more than 0.01 \ % of users that are on mac os.I started a project to make a desktop friendly BSD operating system called MidnightBSD .
There 's also PC-BSD and the now defunct DesktopBSD .
The new problem is that Linux folks have grown inpatient with the linux on the desktop idea .
They want it now and feel that supporting other operating systems in their FOSS work is slowing linux down .
A few projects have really done some serious changes to their software to make it function poorly ( or not at all ) on other OSes including * BSDs .
Sometimes it 's a lack of people to make reasonable updates to the kernels for various things like " new " video interfaces .
Even things like X.org have done shifts that make hardware acceleration a real pain in the butt on BSD platforms .
I 've been shunned many times for trying to provide patches both for MidnightBSD and previously FreeBSD to other projects.The FreeBSD project has had trouble getting patches upstreamed for things like GCC and binutils in the past .
In general , I think many GNU projects are starting to get grumpy with respect to * BSD patches .
There 's a backlash with BSD developers trying to write alternatives that are under the BSD license because we must to survive .
Also , you get into situations like Apple buying cups and switching to LLVM because of fear of the GPLv3 .
Perhaps fear is not the right word.The open source community is not one big happy group but a series of factions that do n't get along .
It 's a shame really .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That depends on your definition of BSD.
Some people look at the userland and the large amount of BSD code in Mac OS X and call that BSD.
I'd say there are more than 0.01\% of users that are on mac os.I started a project to make a desktop friendly BSD operating system called MidnightBSD.
There's also PC-BSD and the now defunct DesktopBSD.
The new problem is that Linux folks have grown inpatient with the linux on the desktop idea.
They want it now and feel that supporting other operating systems in their FOSS work is slowing linux down.
A few projects have really done some serious changes to their software to make it function poorly (or not at all) on other OSes including *BSDs.
Sometimes it's a lack of people to make reasonable updates to the kernels for various things like "new" video interfaces.
Even things like X.org have done shifts that make hardware acceleration a real pain in the butt on BSD platforms.
I've been shunned many times for trying to provide patches both for MidnightBSD and previously FreeBSD to other projects.The FreeBSD project has had trouble getting patches upstreamed for things like GCC and binutils in the past.
In general, I think many GNU projects are starting to get grumpy with respect to *BSD patches.
There's a backlash with BSD developers trying to write alternatives that are under the BSD license because we must to survive.
Also, you get into situations like Apple buying cups and switching to LLVM because of fear of the GPLv3.
Perhaps fear is not the right word.The open source community is not one big happy group but a series of factions that don't get along.
It's a shame really.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Why would a desktop user would run it?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259261820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>With ZFS, creating a new fail filesystem is just a matter of cloning a fresh install,</p></div></blockquote><p>

"Fail filesystem"! The keys are right next to each other!</p></div>
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<tokenext>With ZFS , creating a new fail filesystem is just a matter of cloning a fresh install , " Fail filesystem " !
The keys are right next to each other !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With ZFS, creating a new fail filesystem is just a matter of cloning a fresh install,

"Fail filesystem"!
The keys are right next to each other!
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	<title>Why would a desktop user would run it?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259267220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why on earth would a desktop user run FreeBSD instead of Linux, when it doesn't add a single feature available on Linux?</p><p>What? You can emulate Linux binaries?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why on earth would a desktop user run FreeBSD instead of Linux , when it does n't add a single feature available on Linux ? What ?
You can emulate Linux binaries ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why on earth would a desktop user run FreeBSD instead of Linux, when it doesn't add a single feature available on Linux?What?
You can emulate Linux binaries?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30240298</id>
	<title>Re:No XFS support</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259235900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Switch to ZFS. You wont regret it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Switch to ZFS .
You wont regret it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Switch to ZFS.
You wont regret it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30239060</id>
	<title>FreeBSD rocks :)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259267400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was intending to install RC3 on a new desktop machine a few days ago, but got the error message "this version not available on this server". So I went to the options screen and changed it to 8.0-RELEASE just on a hunch and happily it was there and installed without a hitch. Definitely several good performance improvements over 7.2, especially when copying large amounts of data from a USB disk.
So far this seems like a nice, solid release and I look forward to migrating my servers to it (after a month or so, just to be sure).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was intending to install RC3 on a new desktop machine a few days ago , but got the error message " this version not available on this server " .
So I went to the options screen and changed it to 8.0-RELEASE just on a hunch and happily it was there and installed without a hitch .
Definitely several good performance improvements over 7.2 , especially when copying large amounts of data from a USB disk .
So far this seems like a nice , solid release and I look forward to migrating my servers to it ( after a month or so , just to be sure ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was intending to install RC3 on a new desktop machine a few days ago, but got the error message "this version not available on this server".
So I went to the options screen and changed it to 8.0-RELEASE just on a hunch and happily it was there and installed without a hitch.
Definitely several good performance improvements over 7.2, especially when copying large amounts of data from a USB disk.
So far this seems like a nice, solid release and I look forward to migrating my servers to it (after a month or so, just to be sure).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30245946</id>
	<title>Re:Awesome!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259340300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I do use FreeBSD on my own desktops at home and work. I can't install it to users for the same reasons I could not give the MacOSX or any Linux(same corporate reasons, depending on win only apps, users used to the windows interface and no chance to train them to anything else and tso on).</p><p>Anyway what is it not worth? Most of the new features of 8.0 are mostly server adn router oriented(some I do use: ZFS, jail, virtualized network interfaced for jails, improved BPF, Virtaulbox porting, so FreeBSD can host virtual machines...).</p><p>Some are broader. A better usb stack is useful both on server adn desktop. this was sponsorized by some commercial entity*don't remember which).</p><p>mesh support for wifi was sponsorized by wifi AP and portals companies I hear, they do sell embedded boxes based on FreeBSD(m0n0w4ll for example).</p><p>As the press release states, juniper networks contributed a port to the MIPS architecture, since they're building MIPS based routers shipping with FreeBSD in them.</p><p>Google, juniper networks, and many other companies are giving money to the foundation to develop FreeBSD:</p><p>http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml</p><p>(yes my name's in there too, but I'm a minor private donor)</p><p>Judge for yourself if the effort is worth it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do use FreeBSD on my own desktops at home and work .
I ca n't install it to users for the same reasons I could not give the MacOSX or any Linux ( same corporate reasons , depending on win only apps , users used to the windows interface and no chance to train them to anything else and tso on ) .Anyway what is it not worth ?
Most of the new features of 8.0 are mostly server adn router oriented ( some I do use : ZFS , jail , virtualized network interfaced for jails , improved BPF , Virtaulbox porting , so FreeBSD can host virtual machines... ) .Some are broader .
A better usb stack is useful both on server adn desktop .
this was sponsorized by some commercial entity * do n't remember which ) .mesh support for wifi was sponsorized by wifi AP and portals companies I hear , they do sell embedded boxes based on FreeBSD ( m0n0w4ll for example ) .As the press release states , juniper networks contributed a port to the MIPS architecture , since they 're building MIPS based routers shipping with FreeBSD in them.Google , juniper networks , and many other companies are giving money to the foundation to develop FreeBSD : http : //www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml ( yes my name 's in there too , but I 'm a minor private donor ) Judge for yourself if the effort is worth it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I do use FreeBSD on my own desktops at home and work.
I can't install it to users for the same reasons I could not give the MacOSX or any Linux(same corporate reasons, depending on win only apps, users used to the windows interface and no chance to train them to anything else and tso on).Anyway what is it not worth?
Most of the new features of 8.0 are mostly server adn router oriented(some I do use: ZFS, jail, virtualized network interfaced for jails, improved BPF, Virtaulbox porting, so FreeBSD can host virtual machines...).Some are broader.
A better usb stack is useful both on server adn desktop.
this was sponsorized by some commercial entity*don't remember which).mesh support for wifi was sponsorized by wifi AP and portals companies I hear, they do sell embedded boxes based on FreeBSD(m0n0w4ll for example).As the press release states, juniper networks contributed a port to the MIPS architecture, since they're building MIPS based routers shipping with FreeBSD in them.Google, juniper networks, and many other companies are giving money to the foundation to develop FreeBSD:http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml(yes my name's in there too, but I'm a minor private donor)Judge for yourself if the effort is worth it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30239696</id>
	<title>Re:To slightly paraphrase The Who</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259230380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>are we starting to see BSD &amp; Linux become the new Gnome vs KDE</p></div><p>No, because GNOME and KDE have comparable numbers of users. With Linux and FreeBSD it's not even close. What are you smoking?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Irregardless</p></div><p>That's not even a real word.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>cheers to the OpenBSD crew on another release</p></div><p>The article is about FreeBSD, not OpenBSD. You are a moron.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>are we starting to see BSD &amp; Linux become the new Gnome vs KDENo , because GNOME and KDE have comparable numbers of users .
With Linux and FreeBSD it 's not even close .
What are you smoking ? IrregardlessThat 's not even a real word.cheers to the OpenBSD crew on another releaseThe article is about FreeBSD , not OpenBSD .
You are a moron .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>are we starting to see BSD &amp; Linux become the new Gnome vs KDENo, because GNOME and KDE have comparable numbers of users.
With Linux and FreeBSD it's not even close.
What are you smoking?IrregardlessThat's not even a real word.cheers to the OpenBSD crew on another releaseThe article is about FreeBSD, not OpenBSD.
You are a moron.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30242910</id>
	<title>Re:Why would a desktop user would run it?</title>
	<author>smash</author>
	<datestamp>1259261040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Dtrace, zfs, pf, jails, configuration files done the right way and a scheduler that has not crapped out under load of more than about
 2-3 - for decades.<p>
None of this is available on Linux.  Yes there are half-assed work arounds to do the same thing, but they don't work as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dtrace , zfs , pf , jails , configuration files done the right way and a scheduler that has not crapped out under load of more than about 2-3 - for decades .
None of this is available on Linux .
Yes there are half-assed work arounds to do the same thing , but they do n't work as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dtrace, zfs, pf, jails, configuration files done the right way and a scheduler that has not crapped out under load of more than about
 2-3 - for decades.
None of this is available on Linux.
Yes there are half-assed work arounds to do the same thing, but they don't work as well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30242540</id>
	<title>Hmm...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259256240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Have you tried <a href="http://cloudjobs.net/" title="cloudjobs.net" rel="nofollow">http://cloudjobs.net/</a> [cloudjobs.net] so far?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you tried http : //cloudjobs.net/ [ cloudjobs.net ] so far ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you tried http://cloudjobs.net/ [cloudjobs.net] so far?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30239810</id>
	<title>Re:wpa\_supplicant replacement?</title>
	<author>Abcd1234</author>
	<datestamp>1259231400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm confused... how the hell is it wpa\_supplicant's job to support specific wifi chipsets/cards?  Isn't it the kernel's job to implement drivers for each card while exposing a general API that wpa\_supplicant then uses?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm confused... how the hell is it wpa \ _supplicant 's job to support specific wifi chipsets/cards ?
Is n't it the kernel 's job to implement drivers for each card while exposing a general API that wpa \ _supplicant then uses ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm confused... how the hell is it wpa\_supplicant's job to support specific wifi chipsets/cards?
Isn't it the kernel's job to implement drivers for each card while exposing a general API that wpa\_supplicant then uses?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30239892</id>
	<title>Re:Why would a desktop user would run it?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259232360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm almost convinced. I've been toying with FreeBSD 7 on a vm a while ago, and I liked it. There's a certain "feel" about the whole system, and I really like that feel. Now I'm considering putting it on my laptop. I'm just wondering about a few possible showstoppers. Tell me about...</p><p>
&nbsp; - Ports. I'm very used to apt&amp;dpkg. I haven't spent a lot of time learning to use the ports system, so tell me: can I expect the ports (after learning them a bit) to be as comfortable in everyday use as apt? I like installing&amp;testing new stuff, trying out various funny Python libraries, etc. I need the process of finding, installing, upgrading, removing packages to be quick and efficient.</p><p>
&nbsp; - Hardware support. Can I expect the new FreeBSD to "just work" on a 1-year old laptop? I don't care about stuff like the wifi light, but other small things like SD card reader or the webcam are something that I'd hardly be giving up.</p><p>
&nbsp; - Full disk encryption. This is a must and I'm not going anywhere without it. I suppose it's there; but can I have swap on encrypted logical volume and still be able to do suspend to disk? (suspend to ram is also really handy)</p><p>
&nbsp; - NetworkManager? Or something equivalent. I don't want to go to commandline unless a task that I'm performing demands by its very nature a command-oriented user interface.</p><p>
&nbsp; - 3D support on Intel graphics?</p><p>
&nbsp; - read&amp;write support for ext3, ntfs, etc for Linux and Windows inter-op?</p><p>That'd be all for now...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm almost convinced .
I 've been toying with FreeBSD 7 on a vm a while ago , and I liked it .
There 's a certain " feel " about the whole system , and I really like that feel .
Now I 'm considering putting it on my laptop .
I 'm just wondering about a few possible showstoppers .
Tell me about.. .   - Ports .
I 'm very used to apt&amp;dpkg .
I have n't spent a lot of time learning to use the ports system , so tell me : can I expect the ports ( after learning them a bit ) to be as comfortable in everyday use as apt ?
I like installing&amp;testing new stuff , trying out various funny Python libraries , etc .
I need the process of finding , installing , upgrading , removing packages to be quick and efficient .
  - Hardware support .
Can I expect the new FreeBSD to " just work " on a 1-year old laptop ?
I do n't care about stuff like the wifi light , but other small things like SD card reader or the webcam are something that I 'd hardly be giving up .
  - Full disk encryption .
This is a must and I 'm not going anywhere without it .
I suppose it 's there ; but can I have swap on encrypted logical volume and still be able to do suspend to disk ?
( suspend to ram is also really handy )   - NetworkManager ?
Or something equivalent .
I do n't want to go to commandline unless a task that I 'm performing demands by its very nature a command-oriented user interface .
  - 3D support on Intel graphics ?
  - read&amp;write support for ext3 , ntfs , etc for Linux and Windows inter-op ? That 'd be all for now.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm almost convinced.
I've been toying with FreeBSD 7 on a vm a while ago, and I liked it.
There's a certain "feel" about the whole system, and I really like that feel.
Now I'm considering putting it on my laptop.
I'm just wondering about a few possible showstoppers.
Tell me about...
  - Ports.
I'm very used to apt&amp;dpkg.
I haven't spent a lot of time learning to use the ports system, so tell me: can I expect the ports (after learning them a bit) to be as comfortable in everyday use as apt?
I like installing&amp;testing new stuff, trying out various funny Python libraries, etc.
I need the process of finding, installing, upgrading, removing packages to be quick and efficient.
  - Hardware support.
Can I expect the new FreeBSD to "just work" on a 1-year old laptop?
I don't care about stuff like the wifi light, but other small things like SD card reader or the webcam are something that I'd hardly be giving up.
  - Full disk encryption.
This is a must and I'm not going anywhere without it.
I suppose it's there; but can I have swap on encrypted logical volume and still be able to do suspend to disk?
(suspend to ram is also really handy)
  - NetworkManager?
Or something equivalent.
I don't want to go to commandline unless a task that I'm performing demands by its very nature a command-oriented user interface.
  - 3D support on Intel graphics?
  - read&amp;write support for ext3, ntfs, etc for Linux and Windows inter-op?That'd be all for now...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30240432</id>
	<title>So, any VMware images of this release?</title>
	<author>RiffRafff</author>
	<datestamp>1259236980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anyone post an image to run on VMware Player?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone post an image to run on VMware Player ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone post an image to run on VMware Player?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30239480</id>
	<title>To slightly paraphrase The Who</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259228280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Meet the new Boss, Same as the old Boss.<br>
<br>
Maybe it's me, or are we starting to see BSD &amp; Linux become the new Gnome vs KDE or new<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.deb vs<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.rpm? Debian &amp; BSD they can now handle each other's packages (like KDE apps can run in Gnome and vice versa if the right libraries are installed) and I stand back and wonder if Google and others might be right where the apps are everything and the underlying OS means very little to the average consumer.<br>
<br>
Irregardless, cheers to the OpenBSD crew on another release, even if I'm a Kubuntu user. When one of us does well, we all do.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Meet the new Boss , Same as the old Boss .
Maybe it 's me , or are we starting to see BSD &amp; Linux become the new Gnome vs KDE or new .deb vs .rpm ?
Debian &amp; BSD they can now handle each other 's packages ( like KDE apps can run in Gnome and vice versa if the right libraries are installed ) and I stand back and wonder if Google and others might be right where the apps are everything and the underlying OS means very little to the average consumer .
Irregardless , cheers to the OpenBSD crew on another release , even if I 'm a Kubuntu user .
When one of us does well , we all do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Meet the new Boss, Same as the old Boss.
Maybe it's me, or are we starting to see BSD &amp; Linux become the new Gnome vs KDE or new .deb vs .rpm?
Debian &amp; BSD they can now handle each other's packages (like KDE apps can run in Gnome and vice versa if the right libraries are installed) and I stand back and wonder if Google and others might be right where the apps are everything and the underlying OS means very little to the average consumer.
Irregardless, cheers to the OpenBSD crew on another release, even if I'm a Kubuntu user.
When one of us does well, we all do.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30240568</id>
	<title>Re:Moderators, please take your job seriously</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259237940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Funny" doesn't get a karma bump; "Insightful" does. So people acknowledge a joke with something, anything; just not "Funny".</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Funny " does n't get a karma bump ; " Insightful " does .
So people acknowledge a joke with something , anything ; just not " Funny " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Funny" doesn't get a karma bump; "Insightful" does.
So people acknowledge a joke with something, anything; just not "Funny".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30240722</id>
	<title>Re:Why would a desktop user would run it?</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1259239080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Sound works</p></div><p>So does package management. Video, networking, performance.... The FreeBSD was much more organized environment then the feathered alternative was at the time, which is why I also switched over back in the 4.x days.</p><p>Sure, everyone has advanced over the years, but i still haven't seen many reasons to leave the bsd camp.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sound worksSo does package management .
Video , networking , performance.... The FreeBSD was much more organized environment then the feathered alternative was at the time , which is why I also switched over back in the 4.x days.Sure , everyone has advanced over the years , but i still have n't seen many reasons to leave the bsd camp .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sound worksSo does package management.
Video, networking, performance.... The FreeBSD was much more organized environment then the feathered alternative was at the time, which is why I also switched over back in the 4.x days.Sure, everyone has advanced over the years, but i still haven't seen many reasons to leave the bsd camp.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30239734</id>
	<title>Moderators, please take your job seriously</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259230680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whoever modded this shit insightful should be banned from moderating.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whoever modded this shit insightful should be banned from moderating .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whoever modded this shit insightful should be banned from moderating.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30241576</id>
	<title>Re:To slightly paraphrase The Who</title>
	<author>hedwards</author>
	<datestamp>1259245980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Umm, I must be missing something. FreeBSD has been able to run Linux binaries for well over a decade. And this was a FreeBSD release, some developers work on both, but it's a different set of priorities and interests.<br> <br>

Not to mention that unlike the second example where the obvious answer is that<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.deb is better, the other ones are more a matter of philosophy for most people than pragmatism. A sort of choice between having an actual OS or a Kernel plus whatever packages were available to cobble together an OS with. I'm sure there's a reason why people would want the latter, but it makes it a pain in the ass to make stable, fast and reliable. Or to figure out what's gone wrong when it's an application specific mess in the userland.<br> <br>

Linux of late has been becoming a bit too much like Windows in terms of installing components you may or may not ever want or need.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Umm , I must be missing something .
FreeBSD has been able to run Linux binaries for well over a decade .
And this was a FreeBSD release , some developers work on both , but it 's a different set of priorities and interests .
Not to mention that unlike the second example where the obvious answer is that .deb is better , the other ones are more a matter of philosophy for most people than pragmatism .
A sort of choice between having an actual OS or a Kernel plus whatever packages were available to cobble together an OS with .
I 'm sure there 's a reason why people would want the latter , but it makes it a pain in the ass to make stable , fast and reliable .
Or to figure out what 's gone wrong when it 's an application specific mess in the userland .
Linux of late has been becoming a bit too much like Windows in terms of installing components you may or may not ever want or need .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Umm, I must be missing something.
FreeBSD has been able to run Linux binaries for well over a decade.
And this was a FreeBSD release, some developers work on both, but it's a different set of priorities and interests.
Not to mention that unlike the second example where the obvious answer is that .deb is better, the other ones are more a matter of philosophy for most people than pragmatism.
A sort of choice between having an actual OS or a Kernel plus whatever packages were available to cobble together an OS with.
I'm sure there's a reason why people would want the latter, but it makes it a pain in the ass to make stable, fast and reliable.
Or to figure out what's gone wrong when it's an application specific mess in the userland.
Linux of late has been becoming a bit too much like Windows in terms of installing components you may or may not ever want or need.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30239480</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30244728</id>
	<title>Re:Awesome!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259330280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>They want it now and feel that supporting other operating systems in their FOSS work is slowing Linux down.</p></div><p>Debian has been working to <a href="http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/05/222239" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">incorporate BSD kernels</a> [slashdot.org].  Considering that Debian packages a larger number of applications than almost any other distro (who packages more?), I'd say odds are good that we will see extensive support for BSD kernels across a wide spectrum of applications.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>There's a backlash with BSD developers trying to write alternatives that are under the BSD license because we must to survive.</p></div><p>That depends on whether you consider BSD as software, or as a license.  If you're talking about the license, then of course, by definition.  But if you're talking about software, it sounds like you're just whining that not everyone want to use the same license you do.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The open source community is not one big happy group but a series of factions that don't get along. It's a shame really.</p></div><p>"Freedom", by definition, means different people want different things, and that's OK.  It's always ironic when free software proponents start insisting "do it my way".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They want it now and feel that supporting other operating systems in their FOSS work is slowing Linux down.Debian has been working to incorporate BSD kernels [ slashdot.org ] .
Considering that Debian packages a larger number of applications than almost any other distro ( who packages more ?
) , I 'd say odds are good that we will see extensive support for BSD kernels across a wide spectrum of applications.There 's a backlash with BSD developers trying to write alternatives that are under the BSD license because we must to survive.That depends on whether you consider BSD as software , or as a license .
If you 're talking about the license , then of course , by definition .
But if you 're talking about software , it sounds like you 're just whining that not everyone want to use the same license you do.The open source community is not one big happy group but a series of factions that do n't get along .
It 's a shame really .
" Freedom " , by definition , means different people want different things , and that 's OK. It 's always ironic when free software proponents start insisting " do it my way " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They want it now and feel that supporting other operating systems in their FOSS work is slowing Linux down.Debian has been working to incorporate BSD kernels [slashdot.org].
Considering that Debian packages a larger number of applications than almost any other distro (who packages more?
), I'd say odds are good that we will see extensive support for BSD kernels across a wide spectrum of applications.There's a backlash with BSD developers trying to write alternatives that are under the BSD license because we must to survive.That depends on whether you consider BSD as software, or as a license.
If you're talking about the license, then of course, by definition.
But if you're talking about software, it sounds like you're just whining that not everyone want to use the same license you do.The open source community is not one big happy group but a series of factions that don't get along.
It's a shame really.
"Freedom", by definition, means different people want different things, and that's OK.  It's always ironic when free software proponents start insisting "do it my way".
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30239792</id>
	<title>Re:Why would a desktop user would run it?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259231220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So, I guess, the real question is why you'd use Linux over FreeBSD?</p></div><p>Wi-Fi.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So , I guess , the real question is why you 'd use Linux over FreeBSD ? Wi-Fi .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, I guess, the real question is why you'd use Linux over FreeBSD?Wi-Fi.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30239004</id>
	<title>Awesome!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259266920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was going to put Win7 on my HP dv7, but now this!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was going to put Win7 on my HP dv7 , but now this !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was going to put Win7 on my HP dv7, but now this!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30242414</id>
	<title>Re:If only java was supported</title>
	<author>ishobo</author>
	<datestamp>1259255040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It has been supported officially supported for years.</p><p><a href="http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/downloads/java.shtml" title="freebsdfoundation.org">http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/downloads/java.shtml</a> [freebsdfoundation.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It has been supported officially supported for years.http : //www.freebsdfoundation.org/downloads/java.shtml [ freebsdfoundation.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It has been supported officially supported for years.http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/downloads/java.shtml [freebsdfoundation.org]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30239162</id>
	<title>Re:Why would a desktop user would run it?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259268360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why on earth would a desktop user run Linux instead of FreeBSD, when it doesn't add a single feature available on FreeBSD?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why on earth would a desktop user run Linux instead of FreeBSD , when it does n't add a single feature available on FreeBSD ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why on earth would a desktop user run Linux instead of FreeBSD, when it doesn't add a single feature available on FreeBSD?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30241256</id>
	<title>Re:Awesome!</title>
	<author>smash</author>
	<datestamp>1259243280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>If i'm running a free unix desktop, its usually freebsd.  Give it a shot if you're a linux person, and give your head a little while to get around to the unix way of doing things (rather than the bastardised linux way) and you may like it.
<p>
I used to use Linux, but found FreeBSD to be easier to configure from the command line, more consistent in its filesystem layout, more responsive under load, and generally "smoother" in terms of process scheduling.  I gave up linux desktop use (for FreeBSD, and later, OS X) after having been a linux desktop user for about 5 years.
</p><p>
The fact that the userland tools are shared with MacOS X is a bonus.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If i 'm running a free unix desktop , its usually freebsd .
Give it a shot if you 're a linux person , and give your head a little while to get around to the unix way of doing things ( rather than the bastardised linux way ) and you may like it .
I used to use Linux , but found FreeBSD to be easier to configure from the command line , more consistent in its filesystem layout , more responsive under load , and generally " smoother " in terms of process scheduling .
I gave up linux desktop use ( for FreeBSD , and later , OS X ) after having been a linux desktop user for about 5 years .
The fact that the userland tools are shared with MacOS X is a bonus .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If i'm running a free unix desktop, its usually freebsd.
Give it a shot if you're a linux person, and give your head a little while to get around to the unix way of doing things (rather than the bastardised linux way) and you may like it.
I used to use Linux, but found FreeBSD to be easier to configure from the command line, more consistent in its filesystem layout, more responsive under load, and generally "smoother" in terms of process scheduling.
I gave up linux desktop use (for FreeBSD, and later, OS X) after having been a linux desktop user for about 5 years.
The fact that the userland tools are shared with MacOS X is a bonus.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30241542</id>
	<title>Re:Why would a desktop user would run it?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259245740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The hardware support can be a problem. It is hard to tell without knowing specifics. Wifi and ethernet could be problems, check that first. I've never operated a webcam, ever, so I can't say anything about that.</p><p>Concerning the package management, I'd suggest you try PCBSD. Most people running FreeBSD use the ports, which means compiling from source. There are binary packages, but they are not as up to date. And by default you only get the packages that were tagged for the FreeBSD release. I am not entirely sure how one can change to a more recent source of packages. But PCBSD has another way to install applications, the pbi. These are self-contained binary packages of the applications. So no problems with dependencies and they install cleanly side by side and can be removed without leaving a trace.</p><p>PCBSD is at least a quick and easy way to get hooked. You'll probably find yourself using the ports later anyway.</p><p>If your hardware is supported you should give it a try.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The hardware support can be a problem .
It is hard to tell without knowing specifics .
Wifi and ethernet could be problems , check that first .
I 've never operated a webcam , ever , so I ca n't say anything about that.Concerning the package management , I 'd suggest you try PCBSD .
Most people running FreeBSD use the ports , which means compiling from source .
There are binary packages , but they are not as up to date .
And by default you only get the packages that were tagged for the FreeBSD release .
I am not entirely sure how one can change to a more recent source of packages .
But PCBSD has another way to install applications , the pbi .
These are self-contained binary packages of the applications .
So no problems with dependencies and they install cleanly side by side and can be removed without leaving a trace.PCBSD is at least a quick and easy way to get hooked .
You 'll probably find yourself using the ports later anyway.If your hardware is supported you should give it a try .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The hardware support can be a problem.
It is hard to tell without knowing specifics.
Wifi and ethernet could be problems, check that first.
I've never operated a webcam, ever, so I can't say anything about that.Concerning the package management, I'd suggest you try PCBSD.
Most people running FreeBSD use the ports, which means compiling from source.
There are binary packages, but they are not as up to date.
And by default you only get the packages that were tagged for the FreeBSD release.
I am not entirely sure how one can change to a more recent source of packages.
But PCBSD has another way to install applications, the pbi.
These are self-contained binary packages of the applications.
So no problems with dependencies and they install cleanly side by side and can be removed without leaving a trace.PCBSD is at least a quick and easy way to get hooked.
You'll probably find yourself using the ports later anyway.If your hardware is supported you should give it a try.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30289334</id>
	<title>New USB Stack?</title>
	<author>Tubal-Cain</author>
	<datestamp>1259664180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Some of the highlights:...a new USB stack</p></div><p>Does that include support for USB 3.0?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some of the highlights : ...a new USB stackDoes that include support for USB 3.0 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some of the highlights:...a new USB stackDoes that include support for USB 3.0?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30239882</id>
	<title>TECHNICALLY,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259232120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>YOU MOM HASN'T BEEN WET SINCE YOU BROKE HER TWOT.</p><p>WGUN is an Atlanta area AM broadcasting station (licensed to Atlanta, Georgia) that broadcasts Christian and brokered time programming. It broadcasts at a frequency of 1010 kHz with 50,000 Watts of power during the daytime and 78 Watts during nighttime hours using a non-directional antenna. WGUN is classified as a Class-D AM broadcast station according to the Federal Communications Commission.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>YOU MOM HAS N'T BEEN WET SINCE YOU BROKE HER TWOT.WGUN is an Atlanta area AM broadcasting station ( licensed to Atlanta , Georgia ) that broadcasts Christian and brokered time programming .
It broadcasts at a frequency of 1010 kHz with 50,000 Watts of power during the daytime and 78 Watts during nighttime hours using a non-directional antenna .
WGUN is classified as a Class-D AM broadcast station according to the Federal Communications Commission .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>YOU MOM HASN'T BEEN WET SINCE YOU BROKE HER TWOT.WGUN is an Atlanta area AM broadcasting station (licensed to Atlanta, Georgia) that broadcasts Christian and brokered time programming.
It broadcasts at a frequency of 1010 kHz with 50,000 Watts of power during the daytime and 78 Watts during nighttime hours using a non-directional antenna.
WGUN is classified as a Class-D AM broadcast station according to the Federal Communications Commission.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30240430</id>
	<title>Re:Why would a desktop user would run it?</title>
	<author>theshowmecanuck</author>
	<datestamp>1259236920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because it has a BSD license and not a GNU license.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because it has a BSD license and not a GNU license .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because it has a BSD license and not a GNU license.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30245050</id>
	<title>Does it run?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259333880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've found FreeBSD PC hardware support to be very disappointing in recent years.</p><p>Maybe I always buy the wrong machines, but my recent experiences were such that FreeBSD does not ever boot and install out of the box (always hangs/crashes), whereas NetBSD and Linux usually do. Sometimes those systems also do not recognize or support certain hardware components properly, but that does not prevent them from booting and running.</p><p>I'm not interested in messing with FreeBSD kernel compile options and maybe bootloader settings. In the past (more than 5 or so years ago) it just worked, nowadays I guess you are expected to check whether the PC you buy is supported or to fix stuff on your own.</p><p>Only once in the past 4 years have I seen a FreeBSD version that runs on one of my systems, and that was a custom compiled version with altered interrupt controller settings or something like that.</p><p>Will or has FreeBSD returned to a generally usable default?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've found FreeBSD PC hardware support to be very disappointing in recent years.Maybe I always buy the wrong machines , but my recent experiences were such that FreeBSD does not ever boot and install out of the box ( always hangs/crashes ) , whereas NetBSD and Linux usually do .
Sometimes those systems also do not recognize or support certain hardware components properly , but that does not prevent them from booting and running.I 'm not interested in messing with FreeBSD kernel compile options and maybe bootloader settings .
In the past ( more than 5 or so years ago ) it just worked , nowadays I guess you are expected to check whether the PC you buy is supported or to fix stuff on your own.Only once in the past 4 years have I seen a FreeBSD version that runs on one of my systems , and that was a custom compiled version with altered interrupt controller settings or something like that.Will or has FreeBSD returned to a generally usable default ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've found FreeBSD PC hardware support to be very disappointing in recent years.Maybe I always buy the wrong machines, but my recent experiences were such that FreeBSD does not ever boot and install out of the box (always hangs/crashes), whereas NetBSD and Linux usually do.
Sometimes those systems also do not recognize or support certain hardware components properly, but that does not prevent them from booting and running.I'm not interested in messing with FreeBSD kernel compile options and maybe bootloader settings.
In the past (more than 5 or so years ago) it just worked, nowadays I guess you are expected to check whether the PC you buy is supported or to fix stuff on your own.Only once in the past 4 years have I seen a FreeBSD version that runs on one of my systems, and that was a custom compiled version with altered interrupt controller settings or something like that.Will or has FreeBSD returned to a generally usable default?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30240140</id>
	<title>firewall GUI?</title>
	<author>tirnacopu</author>
	<datestamp>1259234460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is there some <a href="http://www.hanynet.com/waterroof/index.html" title="hanynet.com" rel="nofollow">WaterRoof</a> [hanynet.com] (OS X utility for IPFW)  equivalent for FreeBSD?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is there some WaterRoof [ hanynet.com ] ( OS X utility for IPFW ) equivalent for FreeBSD ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is there some WaterRoof [hanynet.com] (OS X utility for IPFW)  equivalent for FreeBSD?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30242746</id>
	<title>Re:Jumping the gun...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259258580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The last time I jumped a gun was against a French 74 out of Marseilles.  We were in the slaughter house on board HMS Bellipotent, hammering away furiously from Jack Catches It, our twenty-four pounder.  Had her treble shotted.  But the barrel got hot after twenty minutes, and she bucked so violently that she broke her right breaching tackle on the recoil and flipped over.  It was just as well, since the third lieutenant was calling for border and we didn't need to bother securing our guns.  It let us stop by the bucket first and get a quick drink.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The last time I jumped a gun was against a French 74 out of Marseilles .
We were in the slaughter house on board HMS Bellipotent , hammering away furiously from Jack Catches It , our twenty-four pounder .
Had her treble shotted .
But the barrel got hot after twenty minutes , and she bucked so violently that she broke her right breaching tackle on the recoil and flipped over .
It was just as well , since the third lieutenant was calling for border and we did n't need to bother securing our guns .
It let us stop by the bucket first and get a quick drink .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The last time I jumped a gun was against a French 74 out of Marseilles.
We were in the slaughter house on board HMS Bellipotent, hammering away furiously from Jack Catches It, our twenty-four pounder.
Had her treble shotted.
But the barrel got hot after twenty minutes, and she bucked so violently that she broke her right breaching tackle on the recoil and flipped over.
It was just as well, since the third lieutenant was calling for border and we didn't need to bother securing our guns.
It let us stop by the bucket first and get a quick drink.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30245244</id>
	<title>Re:</title>
	<author>clint999</author>
	<datestamp>1259335800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><b>Gentoo fills the same niche with the Linux kernel. And since when is Slackware not a complete distro? Perhaps you meant &ldquo;Linux From Scratch&rdquo;...P.S.: Please get your spelling right. It&rsquo;s &ldquo;niche&rdquo;, &ldquo;distros&rdquo;, &ldquo;BSDs&rdquo; (second one only), and &ldquo;develop for their developers&rdquo;. Be happy that no grammar Nazi is close. With that amount of errors he would have ripped you to shreds. ^^</b></htmltext>
<tokenext>Gentoo fills the same niche with the Linux kernel .
And since when is Slackware not a complete distro ?
Perhaps you meant    Linux From Scratch    ...P.S .
: Please get your spelling right .
It    s    niche    ,    distros    ,    BSDs    ( second one only ) , and    develop for their developers    .
Be happy that no grammar Nazi is close .
With that amount of errors he would have ripped you to shreds .
^ ^</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gentoo fills the same niche with the Linux kernel.
And since when is Slackware not a complete distro?
Perhaps you meant “Linux From Scratch”...P.S.
: Please get your spelling right.
It’s “niche”, “distros”, “BSDs” (second one only), and “develop for their developers”.
Be happy that no grammar Nazi is close.
With that amount of errors he would have ripped you to shreds.
^^</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30241574</id>
	<title>Re:Why would a desktop user would run it?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259245980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are instances where it happens:<br>http://www.pcbsd.org/</p><p>http://www.midnightbsd.org/</p><p>not to mention the now defunct project called desktopBSD<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are instances where it happens : http : //www.pcbsd.org/http : //www.midnightbsd.org/not to mention the now defunct project called desktopBSD ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are instances where it happens:http://www.pcbsd.org/http://www.midnightbsd.org/not to mention the now defunct project called desktopBSD ;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30239106</id>
	<title>Re:Why would a desktop user would run it?</title>
	<author>Ian Alexander</author>
	<datestamp>1259267820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Since when have BSD's been known as primarily "desktop" operating systems?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Since when have BSD 's been known as primarily " desktop " operating systems ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since when have BSD's been known as primarily "desktop" operating systems?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30239296</id>
	<title>Re:Jumping the gun...</title>
	<author>Opyros</author>
	<datestamp>1259226540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was wondering about that; I saw "FreeBSD 8.0 Final" a few days ago on <a href="http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail/FreeBSD/953609528/1" title="betanews.com">FileForum</a> [betanews.com], but the FreeBSD homepage said RC3 was the latest.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was wondering about that ; I saw " FreeBSD 8.0 Final " a few days ago on FileForum [ betanews.com ] , but the FreeBSD homepage said RC3 was the latest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was wondering about that; I saw "FreeBSD 8.0 Final" a few days ago on FileForum [betanews.com], but the FreeBSD homepage said RC3 was the latest.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30239132</id>
	<title>Nothing yet...</title>
	<author>Jazz-Masta</author>
	<datestamp>1259268120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nothing yet on the website. Only 8 rc3 released on November 12th.</p><p>But on the FTP there is something on Nov. 22 labelled as 8.0</p><p>ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ISO-IMAGES-i386/8.0/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nothing yet on the website .
Only 8 rc3 released on November 12th.But on the FTP there is something on Nov. 22 labelled as 8.0ftp : //ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ISO-IMAGES-i386/8.0/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nothing yet on the website.
Only 8 rc3 released on November 12th.But on the FTP there is something on Nov. 22 labelled as 8.0ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ISO-IMAGES-i386/8.0/</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30239682</id>
	<title>Re:Awesome!</title>
	<author>Nefarious Wheel</author>
	<datestamp>1259230260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, but does it run... oh, wait<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;P<p>I'm getting a surplus Dell Latitude from work. Was going to load Ubuntu but FreeBSD 8 plus KDE 4.3.0 (or later) looks like a fairly crisp choice for me.  Anybody have any experience with this combination?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , but does it run... oh , wait ; PI 'm getting a surplus Dell Latitude from work .
Was going to load Ubuntu but FreeBSD 8 plus KDE 4.3.0 ( or later ) looks like a fairly crisp choice for me .
Anybody have any experience with this combination ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, but does it run... oh, wait ;PI'm getting a surplus Dell Latitude from work.
Was going to load Ubuntu but FreeBSD 8 plus KDE 4.3.0 (or later) looks like a fairly crisp choice for me.
Anybody have any experience with this combination?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30239740</id>
	<title>Roundabout</title>
	<author>hey</author>
	<datestamp>1259230680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seems pretty roundabout... to make youtube work they needed Flash.  To make Flash work they got Fedora 10 compatibly going.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seems pretty roundabout... to make youtube work they needed Flash .
To make Flash work they got Fedora 10 compatibly going .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seems pretty roundabout... to make youtube work they needed Flash.
To make Flash work they got Fedora 10 compatibly going.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30239052</id>
	<title>Jumping the gun...</title>
	<author>cperciva</author>
	<datestamp>1259267340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Technically, 8.0-RELEASE has not yet been announced.  Judging by the links in the submission, it looks like the "anonymous reader" is whoever owns cyberciti.biz, and he decided to submit the story early in order to drive traffic to his site.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Technically , 8.0-RELEASE has not yet been announced .
Judging by the links in the submission , it looks like the " anonymous reader " is whoever owns cyberciti.biz , and he decided to submit the story early in order to drive traffic to his site .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Technically, 8.0-RELEASE has not yet been announced.
Judging by the links in the submission, it looks like the "anonymous reader" is whoever owns cyberciti.biz, and he decided to submit the story early in order to drive traffic to his site.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30239984</id>
	<title>Re:Why would a desktop user would run it?</title>
	<author>Ziest</author>
	<datestamp>1259233200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>What? You can emulate Linux binaries?</i></p><p>Yes, FreeBSD has been able to run Linux binaries for years. A little effort on your part to do some research before you post could have saved you from looking like a fool. Oh, wait..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What ?
You can emulate Linux binaries ? Yes , FreeBSD has been able to run Linux binaries for years .
A little effort on your part to do some research before you post could have saved you from looking like a fool .
Oh , wait. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What?
You can emulate Linux binaries?Yes, FreeBSD has been able to run Linux binaries for years.
A little effort on your part to do some research before you post could have saved you from looking like a fool.
Oh, wait..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30247498</id>
	<title>Re:Awesome!</title>
	<author>williewang</author>
	<datestamp>1259350920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know how much or how little companies contribute to FreeBSD, but it doesn't look like they throw much in.  They are trying to raise $300,000 for the *year* (http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/).  A company like Apple or Yahoo or Juniper or others that rely on it probably spend many times more than that on coffee.  I hope that there is a lot I don't know about to help fund it (along with the other BSDs, Linux, and open source projects in general, for that matter), and there probably is, but being more public about it would be a nice change if that is the case.  Quite a few companies have built themselves on top of BSD development--seems like they would want to see it continue to prosper.</p><p>I'm neither a developer or a rich guy, but FreeBSD and OpenBSD have saved my ass so many times I make sure to throw a few bucks their way every year.  I do like Linux (particularly Gentoo and Ubuntu), and for bleeding edge things especially, Linux is awesome.  But BSD is (for me) so simple, extremely stable, uber-easy to maintain, and crazy fast.  For an average chump like me who needs a Unix platform to work and work well, BSD is very hard to beat.  And PC-BSD has been very impressive to a lot of my Linux-user friends.</p><p>Insofar as BSD desktop deployments, no, I haven't really seen them and I doubt there are that many (besides the obvious of Apple<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-).  But I would very much encourage looking into them.  PC-BSD makes it very easy.  I did three thin client deployments for schools in the area as a favor to my mother (she's a teacher) and it's been a godsend for them.  We often used ancient hardware that was about to be thrown away and stood them up in one or two weekends (biggest one was 42 thin clients).  No AV software required, centrally managed, lickety-splickety fast, and all the kids needed was a browser (Firefox), a video player (VLC) and basic documents (OpenOffice), so it was a perfect fit.</p><p>Probably the coolest part was showing the High School dorks how to maintain it and install apps (when I showed them how to update and compile a kernel, they acted like they were looking at The Matrix<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-).  So give it a try.  Like I say to women: 'It won't take that long and, who knows?  You just might like it.'</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know how much or how little companies contribute to FreeBSD , but it does n't look like they throw much in .
They are trying to raise $ 300,000 for the * year * ( http : //www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/ ) .
A company like Apple or Yahoo or Juniper or others that rely on it probably spend many times more than that on coffee .
I hope that there is a lot I do n't know about to help fund it ( along with the other BSDs , Linux , and open source projects in general , for that matter ) , and there probably is , but being more public about it would be a nice change if that is the case .
Quite a few companies have built themselves on top of BSD development--seems like they would want to see it continue to prosper.I 'm neither a developer or a rich guy , but FreeBSD and OpenBSD have saved my ass so many times I make sure to throw a few bucks their way every year .
I do like Linux ( particularly Gentoo and Ubuntu ) , and for bleeding edge things especially , Linux is awesome .
But BSD is ( for me ) so simple , extremely stable , uber-easy to maintain , and crazy fast .
For an average chump like me who needs a Unix platform to work and work well , BSD is very hard to beat .
And PC-BSD has been very impressive to a lot of my Linux-user friends.Insofar as BSD desktop deployments , no , I have n't really seen them and I doubt there are that many ( besides the obvious of Apple ; - ) .
But I would very much encourage looking into them .
PC-BSD makes it very easy .
I did three thin client deployments for schools in the area as a favor to my mother ( she 's a teacher ) and it 's been a godsend for them .
We often used ancient hardware that was about to be thrown away and stood them up in one or two weekends ( biggest one was 42 thin clients ) .
No AV software required , centrally managed , lickety-splickety fast , and all the kids needed was a browser ( Firefox ) , a video player ( VLC ) and basic documents ( OpenOffice ) , so it was a perfect fit.Probably the coolest part was showing the High School dorks how to maintain it and install apps ( when I showed them how to update and compile a kernel , they acted like they were looking at The Matrix : - ) .
So give it a try .
Like I say to women : 'It wo n't take that long and , who knows ?
You just might like it .
'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know how much or how little companies contribute to FreeBSD, but it doesn't look like they throw much in.
They are trying to raise $300,000 for the *year* (http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/).
A company like Apple or Yahoo or Juniper or others that rely on it probably spend many times more than that on coffee.
I hope that there is a lot I don't know about to help fund it (along with the other BSDs, Linux, and open source projects in general, for that matter), and there probably is, but being more public about it would be a nice change if that is the case.
Quite a few companies have built themselves on top of BSD development--seems like they would want to see it continue to prosper.I'm neither a developer or a rich guy, but FreeBSD and OpenBSD have saved my ass so many times I make sure to throw a few bucks their way every year.
I do like Linux (particularly Gentoo and Ubuntu), and for bleeding edge things especially, Linux is awesome.
But BSD is (for me) so simple, extremely stable, uber-easy to maintain, and crazy fast.
For an average chump like me who needs a Unix platform to work and work well, BSD is very hard to beat.
And PC-BSD has been very impressive to a lot of my Linux-user friends.Insofar as BSD desktop deployments, no, I haven't really seen them and I doubt there are that many (besides the obvious of Apple ;-).
But I would very much encourage looking into them.
PC-BSD makes it very easy.
I did three thin client deployments for schools in the area as a favor to my mother (she's a teacher) and it's been a godsend for them.
We often used ancient hardware that was about to be thrown away and stood them up in one or two weekends (biggest one was 42 thin clients).
No AV software required, centrally managed, lickety-splickety fast, and all the kids needed was a browser (Firefox), a video player (VLC) and basic documents (OpenOffice), so it was a perfect fit.Probably the coolest part was showing the High School dorks how to maintain it and install apps (when I showed them how to update and compile a kernel, they acted like they were looking at The Matrix :-).
So give it a try.
Like I say to women: 'It won't take that long and, who knows?
You just might like it.
'</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30241536</id>
	<title>Re:Jumping the gun...</title>
	<author>hedwards</author>
	<datestamp>1259245680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's a sort of byproduct of the way the last stages of a release go. It isn't put up as a final release until the build is done and it's been distributed to the ftp sites and they've been given a bit of time to prepare.<br> <br>

Which means that the source as well as the ports tree for that release have been hanging out on one server or another for a bit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a sort of byproduct of the way the last stages of a release go .
It is n't put up as a final release until the build is done and it 's been distributed to the ftp sites and they 've been given a bit of time to prepare .
Which means that the source as well as the ports tree for that release have been hanging out on one server or another for a bit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a sort of byproduct of the way the last stages of a release go.
It isn't put up as a final release until the build is done and it's been distributed to the ftp sites and they've been given a bit of time to prepare.
Which means that the source as well as the ports tree for that release have been hanging out on one server or another for a bit.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30241572</id>
	<title>Re:Awesome!</title>
	<author>Galactic Dominator</author>
	<datestamp>1259245980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's what I run at work, runs well but have to know what you intend on using it for.  Also IME KDE 4 is easier to install and has less quirks than on linux.</p><p>Virtualbox runs vista quite well for me so it takes care of that problem to.</p><p>If you run 64 bit, use the nouveau driver, it's far better than nv.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's what I run at work , runs well but have to know what you intend on using it for .
Also IME KDE 4 is easier to install and has less quirks than on linux.Virtualbox runs vista quite well for me so it takes care of that problem to.If you run 64 bit , use the nouveau driver , it 's far better than nv .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's what I run at work, runs well but have to know what you intend on using it for.
Also IME KDE 4 is easier to install and has less quirks than on linux.Virtualbox runs vista quite well for me so it takes care of that problem to.If you run 64 bit, use the nouveau driver, it's far better than nv.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30239506</id>
	<title>freebsd-update via wlan?</title>
	<author>Conley Index</author>
	<datestamp>1259228580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I did not read your blog using freebsd-update this time, but as far as I see, it would not have saved me needing hands on assistance for the system that I tried to update remotely with the last connection being a wlan. I added the appropriate lines to rc.conf before the update, but after the first reboot with the new kernel and old userland, the wlan did not come up. Thinking about it, nothing else could be expected...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I did not read your blog using freebsd-update this time , but as far as I see , it would not have saved me needing hands on assistance for the system that I tried to update remotely with the last connection being a wlan .
I added the appropriate lines to rc.conf before the update , but after the first reboot with the new kernel and old userland , the wlan did not come up .
Thinking about it , nothing else could be expected.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I did not read your blog using freebsd-update this time, but as far as I see, it would not have saved me needing hands on assistance for the system that I tried to update remotely with the last connection being a wlan.
I added the appropriate lines to rc.conf before the update, but after the first reboot with the new kernel and old userland, the wlan did not come up.
Thinking about it, nothing else could be expected...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30239128</id>
	<title>Great job!</title>
	<author>ceeam</author>
	<datestamp>1259268060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Congratulations to all involved!</p><p>FreeBSD is a great Free Unix system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Congratulations to all involved ! FreeBSD is a great Free Unix system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Congratulations to all involved!FreeBSD is a great Free Unix system.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30239496</id>
	<title>Re:Why would a desktop user would run it?</title>
	<author>1s44c</author>
	<datestamp>1259228460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why on earth would a desktop user run FreeBSD instead of Linux, when it doesn't add a single feature available on Linux?</p></div><p>I'm not staying FreeBSD is better than Linux but FreeBSD is a more consistent system.</p><p>Linux, even with the best distributions, is a bunch of separate bits stuck together with 15 ways to do any given thing.</p><p>FreeBSD also does have some stuff Linux doesn't like PF, Jails, and better ZFS support.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why on earth would a desktop user run FreeBSD instead of Linux , when it does n't add a single feature available on Linux ? I 'm not staying FreeBSD is better than Linux but FreeBSD is a more consistent system.Linux , even with the best distributions , is a bunch of separate bits stuck together with 15 ways to do any given thing.FreeBSD also does have some stuff Linux does n't like PF , Jails , and better ZFS support .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why on earth would a desktop user run FreeBSD instead of Linux, when it doesn't add a single feature available on Linux?I'm not staying FreeBSD is better than Linux but FreeBSD is a more consistent system.Linux, even with the best distributions, is a bunch of separate bits stuck together with 15 ways to do any given thing.FreeBSD also does have some stuff Linux doesn't like PF, Jails, and better ZFS support.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30241150</id>
	<title>Re:Why would a desktop user would run it?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259242140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because the system is truly separated from the applications. I can have a stable system while using the newest applications. This is what made me switch from Debian desktop to FreeBSD desktop. (And I hate this Iceweasel shit.)</p><p>And I don't have to wait for fsck at boot.</p><p>And when I need help I actually find answers in the handbook.</p><p>And I get informed about security issues with applications automatically even before there is a patch (portaudit).</p><p>And because I don't need a sound server.</p><p>And there is hardly a reason not to, if your hardware is supported.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because the system is truly separated from the applications .
I can have a stable system while using the newest applications .
This is what made me switch from Debian desktop to FreeBSD desktop .
( And I hate this Iceweasel shit .
) And I do n't have to wait for fsck at boot.And when I need help I actually find answers in the handbook.And I get informed about security issues with applications automatically even before there is a patch ( portaudit ) .And because I do n't need a sound server.And there is hardly a reason not to , if your hardware is supported .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because the system is truly separated from the applications.
I can have a stable system while using the newest applications.
This is what made me switch from Debian desktop to FreeBSD desktop.
(And I hate this Iceweasel shit.
)And I don't have to wait for fsck at boot.And when I need help I actually find answers in the handbook.And I get informed about security issues with applications automatically even before there is a patch (portaudit).And because I don't need a sound server.And there is hardly a reason not to, if your hardware is supported.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30245418</id>
	<title>Switching from Slackware?</title>
	<author>heri0n</author>
	<datestamp>1259337180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I use slackware for my home web server / ssh-ing and torrenting from work.  I have always been interested in BSDs but never really bothered to try it out.  From what I understand Slackware is pretty similar to BSDs (do it yourself/rc.* scripts).  What would be the main advantages of switching to a BSD?  The ports system?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I use slackware for my home web server / ssh-ing and torrenting from work .
I have always been interested in BSDs but never really bothered to try it out .
From what I understand Slackware is pretty similar to BSDs ( do it yourself/rc .
* scripts ) .
What would be the main advantages of switching to a BSD ?
The ports system ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use slackware for my home web server / ssh-ing and torrenting from work.
I have always been interested in BSDs but never really bothered to try it out.
From what I understand Slackware is pretty similar to BSDs (do it yourself/rc.
* scripts).
What would be the main advantages of switching to a BSD?
The ports system?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_26_1843233.30240184</id>
	<title>Re:Awesome!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259234880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I have never really heard of anybody doing large BSD desktop deployments like you do with RHEL or SUSE.</i></p><p>(Nelson)Ha ha!(/Nelson)</p><p>And Happy Thanksgiving to *you*, re@!</p><p>And you over at Nvidia too!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have never really heard of anybody doing large BSD desktop deployments like you do with RHEL or SUSE .
( Nelson ) Ha ha !
( /Nelson ) And Happy Thanksgiving to * you * , re @ ! And you over at Nvidia too !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have never really heard of anybody doing large BSD desktop deployments like you do with RHEL or SUSE.
(Nelson)Ha ha!
(/Nelson)And Happy Thanksgiving to *you*, re@!And you over at Nvidia too!</sentencetext>
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