<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_24_2025212</id>
	<title>UK File-Sharing Laws Unenforceable On Mobile Networks</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1259055720000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>superglaze writes <i>"UK mobile broadband providers currently have <a href="http://news.zdnet.co.uk/communications/0,1000000085,39899832,00.htm">no way of telling which subscribers are file-sharing which copyrighted content</a>, ZDNet UK reports. This represents something of a problem for new laws that have been proposed to crack down on unlawful file-sharing. According to the article, databases (tracking IP address mappings) could be built to make it possible to identify what specific users are downloading, but the industry is loathe to fund this sort of project itself. Also, as an analyst points out in the piece, users of prepaid phone cards are mostly anonymous in the UK, which creates another challenge for the government's plans. And if that isn't enough, connection-sharing apps like JoikuBoost would make identification pretty much impossible anyway."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>superglaze writes " UK mobile broadband providers currently have no way of telling which subscribers are file-sharing which copyrighted content , ZDNet UK reports .
This represents something of a problem for new laws that have been proposed to crack down on unlawful file-sharing .
According to the article , databases ( tracking IP address mappings ) could be built to make it possible to identify what specific users are downloading , but the industry is loathe to fund this sort of project itself .
Also , as an analyst points out in the piece , users of prepaid phone cards are mostly anonymous in the UK , which creates another challenge for the government 's plans .
And if that is n't enough , connection-sharing apps like JoikuBoost would make identification pretty much impossible anyway .
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<sentencetext>superglaze writes "UK mobile broadband providers currently have no way of telling which subscribers are file-sharing which copyrighted content, ZDNet UK reports.
This represents something of a problem for new laws that have been proposed to crack down on unlawful file-sharing.
According to the article, databases (tracking IP address mappings) could be built to make it possible to identify what specific users are downloading, but the industry is loathe to fund this sort of project itself.
Also, as an analyst points out in the piece, users of prepaid phone cards are mostly anonymous in the UK, which creates another challenge for the government's plans.
And if that isn't enough, connection-sharing apps like JoikuBoost would make identification pretty much impossible anyway.
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</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30223924</id>
	<title>Re:Retarded</title>
	<author>julesh</author>
	<datestamp>1257156480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Outright retarded article... Mobile data fees are so expensive that this whole story it makes no sense whatsoever</i></p><p>15GB for &pound;20 still costs somewhat less than buying original copies of most of what you'd be downloading.  Sure, it's more expensive than a fixed line phone deal, but if you need it anyway (e.g. for accessing email while on the road) then it's probably actually more cost effective than having two subscriptions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Outright retarded article... Mobile data fees are so expensive that this whole story it makes no sense whatsoever15GB for   20 still costs somewhat less than buying original copies of most of what you 'd be downloading .
Sure , it 's more expensive than a fixed line phone deal , but if you need it anyway ( e.g .
for accessing email while on the road ) then it 's probably actually more cost effective than having two subscriptions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Outright retarded article... Mobile data fees are so expensive that this whole story it makes no sense whatsoever15GB for £20 still costs somewhat less than buying original copies of most of what you'd be downloading.
Sure, it's more expensive than a fixed line phone deal, but if you need it anyway (e.g.
for accessing email while on the road) then it's probably actually more cost effective than having two subscriptions.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30219320</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30220198</id>
	<title>Yarr, matey!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259064060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This comment has been at 99\% for two weeks now!  Plz seed!!!!!!@#!eleven!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This comment has been at 99 \ % for two weeks now !
Plz seed ! ! ! ! ! !
@ # ! eleven !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This comment has been at 99\% for two weeks now!
Plz seed!!!!!!
@#!eleven!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30219364</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30219364</id>
	<title>Telling users how to get away with piracy?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259060220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who hijacked slashdot for this "story"? Is the slashdot torrent tracker next? I guess it's not too far a stretch. Instead of 100 inane "frist post" comments they're all be converted to "Please seed" instead. Instead of flamewars about Apple, Microsoft, or Google, we can all start flames about the torrents containing viruses or whose torrent of the latest 0 dayz warez is better than whose. Welcome to the new slashdot. Not so different to the old!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who hijacked slashdot for this " story " ?
Is the slashdot torrent tracker next ?
I guess it 's not too far a stretch .
Instead of 100 inane " frist post " comments they 're all be converted to " Please seed " instead .
Instead of flamewars about Apple , Microsoft , or Google , we can all start flames about the torrents containing viruses or whose torrent of the latest 0 dayz warez is better than whose .
Welcome to the new slashdot .
Not so different to the old !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who hijacked slashdot for this "story"?
Is the slashdot torrent tracker next?
I guess it's not too far a stretch.
Instead of 100 inane "frist post" comments they're all be converted to "Please seed" instead.
Instead of flamewars about Apple, Microsoft, or Google, we can all start flames about the torrents containing viruses or whose torrent of the latest 0 dayz warez is better than whose.
Welcome to the new slashdot.
Not so different to the old!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30223908</id>
	<title>File-sharing via a mobile only for music really</title>
	<author>Aceticon</author>
	<datestamp>1257156420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a Vodafone mobile dongle and it costs me &pound;15 per 1GB for pre-pay and they are hardly the cheapest ones out there.</p><p>They don't have my name or any other contact information on me (I went to the store in person, bought the dongle and paid in cash) so anything I do through it cannot be associated with my name (as long as I never "load more money" into that account with a credit/debit card).</p><p>That said, at &pound;15 a GB, file-sharing is only really worth it if what you're downloading is music (in the UK, if buy MP3 music tracks from places like iTunes or Amazon it will cost you in about &pound;1.00 - aprox. $1.50 - per track) or DivX compressed movies.</p><p>Speed-wise, it is quite fast, between 1Mb/s - 3Mb/s downstream.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a Vodafone mobile dongle and it costs me   15 per 1GB for pre-pay and they are hardly the cheapest ones out there.They do n't have my name or any other contact information on me ( I went to the store in person , bought the dongle and paid in cash ) so anything I do through it can not be associated with my name ( as long as I never " load more money " into that account with a credit/debit card ) .That said , at   15 a GB , file-sharing is only really worth it if what you 're downloading is music ( in the UK , if buy MP3 music tracks from places like iTunes or Amazon it will cost you in about   1.00 - aprox .
$ 1.50 - per track ) or DivX compressed movies.Speed-wise , it is quite fast , between 1Mb/s - 3Mb/s downstream .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a Vodafone mobile dongle and it costs me £15 per 1GB for pre-pay and they are hardly the cheapest ones out there.They don't have my name or any other contact information on me (I went to the store in person, bought the dongle and paid in cash) so anything I do through it cannot be associated with my name (as long as I never "load more money" into that account with a credit/debit card).That said, at £15 a GB, file-sharing is only really worth it if what you're downloading is music (in the UK, if buy MP3 music tracks from places like iTunes or Amazon it will cost you in about £1.00 - aprox.
$1.50 - per track) or DivX compressed movies.Speed-wise, it is quite fast, between 1Mb/s - 3Mb/s downstream.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30219708</id>
	<title>Root Conflict</title>
	<author>headkase</author>
	<datestamp>1259061840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>There is a book called, <a href="http://www.thepublicdomain.org/" title="thepublicdomain.org">The Public Domain</a> [thepublicdomain.org] written by a professor of law from the Duke Law School.  You can download an electronic version legally and for free from that link.  It outlines the conflicts facing areas of creativity like the arts and sciences and explains the history of how it came to be so enclosed.  It also does not pull any punches, it supports industry where deserved and advocates Citizen interests where right.  It certainly is a lot better than my rants and raves when I scream: <b> <a href="http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1450972&amp;cid=30167330" title="slashdot.org">I Want My Public Domain</a> [slashdot.org] </b>!  Although he has more reasons to be tactful than I.  Inform yourself, read the free book.  I am and once I'm done I'm going to go read some Pirate Party propaganda to see if it is compatible with the good professor.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a book called , The Public Domain [ thepublicdomain.org ] written by a professor of law from the Duke Law School .
You can download an electronic version legally and for free from that link .
It outlines the conflicts facing areas of creativity like the arts and sciences and explains the history of how it came to be so enclosed .
It also does not pull any punches , it supports industry where deserved and advocates Citizen interests where right .
It certainly is a lot better than my rants and raves when I scream : I Want My Public Domain [ slashdot.org ] !
Although he has more reasons to be tactful than I. Inform yourself , read the free book .
I am and once I 'm done I 'm going to go read some Pirate Party propaganda to see if it is compatible with the good professor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a book called, The Public Domain [thepublicdomain.org] written by a professor of law from the Duke Law School.
You can download an electronic version legally and for free from that link.
It outlines the conflicts facing areas of creativity like the arts and sciences and explains the history of how it came to be so enclosed.
It also does not pull any punches, it supports industry where deserved and advocates Citizen interests where right.
It certainly is a lot better than my rants and raves when I scream:  I Want My Public Domain [slashdot.org] !
Although he has more reasons to be tactful than I.  Inform yourself, read the free book.
I am and once I'm done I'm going to go read some Pirate Party propaganda to see if it is compatible with the good professor.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30221150</id>
	<title>I THINK ITS QUITE OVIOUS</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1259069340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is that you, Lily Allen? Come on now, you know you shouldn't be "stealing" other people's work, even if you do distribute it in the form of a "mix tape". As you said yourself, music's not free to make, so it can't be free, can it? Who could argue with solid and well thought out logic like that?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is that you , Lily Allen ?
Come on now , you know you should n't be " stealing " other people 's work , even if you do distribute it in the form of a " mix tape " .
As you said yourself , music 's not free to make , so it ca n't be free , can it ?
Who could argue with solid and well thought out logic like that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is that you, Lily Allen?
Come on now, you know you shouldn't be "stealing" other people's work, even if you do distribute it in the form of a "mix tape".
As you said yourself, music's not free to make, so it can't be free, can it?
Who could argue with solid and well thought out logic like that?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30219310</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30219902</id>
	<title>Re:Retarded</title>
	<author>Verdatum</author>
	<datestamp>1259062800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's nothing wrong with forward thinking.  As mobile broadband becomes faster and cheaper, which it inevitably will, this will become more and more of an issue.  Potentially, people can and will use their mobile provider as their sole ISP.  Meaning, if they want to do file-sharing, it will be over their mobile network.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's nothing wrong with forward thinking .
As mobile broadband becomes faster and cheaper , which it inevitably will , this will become more and more of an issue .
Potentially , people can and will use their mobile provider as their sole ISP .
Meaning , if they want to do file-sharing , it will be over their mobile network .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's nothing wrong with forward thinking.
As mobile broadband becomes faster and cheaper, which it inevitably will, this will become more and more of an issue.
Potentially, people can and will use their mobile provider as their sole ISP.
Meaning, if they want to do file-sharing, it will be over their mobile network.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30219320</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30219320</id>
	<title>Retarded</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259060040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Outright retarded article... Mobile data fees are so expensive that this whole story it makes  no sense whatsoever</p><p>I've seen plenty of slow news days here where kdawson decided to publish non-sense, but this is a new low.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Outright retarded article... Mobile data fees are so expensive that this whole story it makes no sense whatsoeverI 've seen plenty of slow news days here where kdawson decided to publish non-sense , but this is a new low .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Outright retarded article... Mobile data fees are so expensive that this whole story it makes  no sense whatsoeverI've seen plenty of slow news days here where kdawson decided to publish non-sense, but this is a new low.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30219466</id>
	<title>Simple Solution</title>
	<author>amiga3D</author>
	<datestamp>1259060760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The solution to the problem of file sharing is very simple.  All they need do is put a government program on the computer that monitors everything the user does and reports to the people assigned to monitor the citizens.  Better yet would be to build this into the government mandated operating system or even better, government mandated hardware dongle. Problem solved.  After all, no one's under the delusion that they have a right to privacy anymore, right?</htmltext>
<tokenext>The solution to the problem of file sharing is very simple .
All they need do is put a government program on the computer that monitors everything the user does and reports to the people assigned to monitor the citizens .
Better yet would be to build this into the government mandated operating system or even better , government mandated hardware dongle .
Problem solved .
After all , no one 's under the delusion that they have a right to privacy anymore , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The solution to the problem of file sharing is very simple.
All they need do is put a government program on the computer that monitors everything the user does and reports to the people assigned to monitor the citizens.
Better yet would be to build this into the government mandated operating system or even better, government mandated hardware dongle.
Problem solved.
After all, no one's under the delusion that they have a right to privacy anymore, right?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30220058</id>
	<title>Re:Wow</title>
	<author>mea37</author>
	<datestamp>1259063520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess I'm not sure what you want to talk to my printer about.  Maybe you're alluding to some story I haven't haerd, but taking it at face value...</p><p>1) The network traffic associated with a printer doesn't look much like the network traffic associated with file-sharing clients.</p><p>2) I rarely print mp3's.</p><p>3) Which networks' admins is this going to confuse, anyway?  The LAN admin can see the network address of the printer and sift that out as noise pretty easily.  If the LAN is connected (say, via a NAT router) to the Internet, the ISP network never sees that printer traffic anyway; so it's not going to matter to their admins' analysis either.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess I 'm not sure what you want to talk to my printer about .
Maybe you 're alluding to some story I have n't haerd , but taking it at face value...1 ) The network traffic associated with a printer does n't look much like the network traffic associated with file-sharing clients.2 ) I rarely print mp3 's.3 ) Which networks ' admins is this going to confuse , anyway ?
The LAN admin can see the network address of the printer and sift that out as noise pretty easily .
If the LAN is connected ( say , via a NAT router ) to the Internet , the ISP network never sees that printer traffic anyway ; so it 's not going to matter to their admins ' analysis either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess I'm not sure what you want to talk to my printer about.
Maybe you're alluding to some story I haven't haerd, but taking it at face value...1) The network traffic associated with a printer doesn't look much like the network traffic associated with file-sharing clients.2) I rarely print mp3's.3) Which networks' admins is this going to confuse, anyway?
The LAN admin can see the network address of the printer and sift that out as noise pretty easily.
If the LAN is connected (say, via a NAT router) to the Internet, the ISP network never sees that printer traffic anyway; so it's not going to matter to their admins' analysis either.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30219180</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30227890</id>
	<title>Re:Or it would go the other way</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257186840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If you decide to share your gun - which you only use for plinking - with some random stranger, they shoot somebody, and the ballistics end up matching a gun that's registered to you, you'd have some explaining to do, too.</p></div><p>If you decide to share your printing press, which you only use for news reporting, with some random stranger, they print some materials criticising the sitting president, and the registration marks end up matching a printing press that's registered to you, you'd have some explaining to do, too.</p><p>I hope this sufficiently demonstrates why guns are different than printing presses, and internet connections.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>So next time I want to download something using a sharing client, all I'll have to do is go to a busy spot downtown, open up my connection and broadcast it to the world as, say, "FreeInternet", and hey presto.. I might be doing something illegal but good bloody luck proving that it was actually -me- and not one of the dozen people that were using my shared connection; They can't. Pirate-me wins.</p></div><p>And if you connect a file server full of warez to the switch at a LAN party with a sign on it that provides the IP and says "give some get some" then unless one of your buddies sells you out, "pirate-you wins."</p><p>The fact is you can't stop piracy. I'm not prepared to give up my privacy just so that a bunch of dinosaurs can conduct an exercise in futility.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you decide to share your gun - which you only use for plinking - with some random stranger , they shoot somebody , and the ballistics end up matching a gun that 's registered to you , you 'd have some explaining to do , too.If you decide to share your printing press , which you only use for news reporting , with some random stranger , they print some materials criticising the sitting president , and the registration marks end up matching a printing press that 's registered to you , you 'd have some explaining to do , too.I hope this sufficiently demonstrates why guns are different than printing presses , and internet connections.So next time I want to download something using a sharing client , all I 'll have to do is go to a busy spot downtown , open up my connection and broadcast it to the world as , say , " FreeInternet " , and hey presto.. I might be doing something illegal but good bloody luck proving that it was actually -me- and not one of the dozen people that were using my shared connection ; They ca n't .
Pirate-me wins.And if you connect a file server full of warez to the switch at a LAN party with a sign on it that provides the IP and says " give some get some " then unless one of your buddies sells you out , " pirate-you wins .
" The fact is you ca n't stop piracy .
I 'm not prepared to give up my privacy just so that a bunch of dinosaurs can conduct an exercise in futility .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you decide to share your gun - which you only use for plinking - with some random stranger, they shoot somebody, and the ballistics end up matching a gun that's registered to you, you'd have some explaining to do, too.If you decide to share your printing press, which you only use for news reporting, with some random stranger, they print some materials criticising the sitting president, and the registration marks end up matching a printing press that's registered to you, you'd have some explaining to do, too.I hope this sufficiently demonstrates why guns are different than printing presses, and internet connections.So next time I want to download something using a sharing client, all I'll have to do is go to a busy spot downtown, open up my connection and broadcast it to the world as, say, "FreeInternet", and hey presto.. I might be doing something illegal but good bloody luck proving that it was actually -me- and not one of the dozen people that were using my shared connection; They can't.
Pirate-me wins.And if you connect a file server full of warez to the switch at a LAN party with a sign on it that provides the IP and says "give some get some" then unless one of your buddies sells you out, "pirate-you wins.
"The fact is you can't stop piracy.
I'm not prepared to give up my privacy just so that a bunch of dinosaurs can conduct an exercise in futility.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30220510</id>
	<title>Re:Simple Solution</title>
	<author>headkase</author>
	<datestamp>1259065560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Don't get ahead of yourself!  Thats only in tentative planning for now!  Need more bribes, er.. campaign donations, before it moves further than that!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't get ahead of yourself !
Thats only in tentative planning for now !
Need more bribes , er.. campaign donations , before it moves further than that !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't get ahead of yourself!
Thats only in tentative planning for now!
Need more bribes, er.. campaign donations, before it moves further than that!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30219466</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30219310</id>
	<title>Yay !!  Let is fucking steal everything we can !!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259059980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hip-hip-horray !!</p><p>For we're a jolly good fella, for we're a jolly good fella, which nobody can catch !!</p><p>Ay, mattie !!</p><p>Arrrrrg !!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hip-hip-horray !
! For we 're a jolly good fella , for we 're a jolly good fella , which nobody can catch !
! Ay , mattie !
! Arrrrrg !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hip-hip-horray !
!For we're a jolly good fella, for we're a jolly good fella, which nobody can catch !
!Ay, mattie !
!Arrrrrg !
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30223636</id>
	<title>Re:Simple Solution</title>
	<author>angelbunny</author>
	<datestamp>1257152760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds very nazi like.. the people watching the people. uggg...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds very nazi like.. the people watching the people .
uggg.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds very nazi like.. the people watching the people.
uggg...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30219466</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30219246</id>
	<title>A feature not a bug</title>
	<author>wdef</author>
	<datestamp>1259059740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Unbelievable - it's actually close to anonymous?  Watch them close this up just as fast as you can say Tor.
Is this the case in other countries as well?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unbelievable - it 's actually close to anonymous ?
Watch them close this up just as fast as you can say Tor .
Is this the case in other countries as well ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unbelievable - it's actually close to anonymous?
Watch them close this up just as fast as you can say Tor.
Is this the case in other countries as well?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30220196</id>
	<title>Re:Retarded</title>
	<author>Animaether</author>
	<datestamp>1259064060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well there's mobile (netbook/notebook USB things) plans...<br><a href="http://mobile.broadbandgenie.co.uk/3g-broadband" title="broadbandgenie.co.uk">http://mobile.broadbandgenie.co.uk/3g-broadband</a> [broadbandgenie.co.uk]</p><p>Neither of which seem to be 'so expensive' or have ridiculous limits. Granted, I haven't read the fineprint.</p><p>It might not be -cellphone- mobile, but it's certainly using the cellular networks.</p><p>I'd dig up a cellphone plan, but as in the U.S. and NL, finding details on plans on operators' sites is next-to-impossible.  I'd imagine T-Mobile offers their web-and-walk plan in the UK as well, though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well there 's mobile ( netbook/notebook USB things ) plans...http : //mobile.broadbandgenie.co.uk/3g-broadband [ broadbandgenie.co.uk ] Neither of which seem to be 'so expensive ' or have ridiculous limits .
Granted , I have n't read the fineprint.It might not be -cellphone- mobile , but it 's certainly using the cellular networks.I 'd dig up a cellphone plan , but as in the U.S. and NL , finding details on plans on operators ' sites is next-to-impossible .
I 'd imagine T-Mobile offers their web-and-walk plan in the UK as well , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well there's mobile (netbook/notebook USB things) plans...http://mobile.broadbandgenie.co.uk/3g-broadband [broadbandgenie.co.uk]Neither of which seem to be 'so expensive' or have ridiculous limits.
Granted, I haven't read the fineprint.It might not be -cellphone- mobile, but it's certainly using the cellular networks.I'd dig up a cellphone plan, but as in the U.S. and NL, finding details on plans on operators' sites is next-to-impossible.
I'd imagine T-Mobile offers their web-and-walk plan in the UK as well, though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30221274</id>
	<title>Re:Of Course...Christmas gifts,...</title>
	<author>coolforsale124</author>
	<datestamp>1259070120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.coolforsale.com/" title="coolforsale.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.coolforsale.com/</a> [coolforsale.com]  Dear ladies and gentlemen Hello, In order to meet Christmas, Site launched Christmas spree, welcome new and old customers come to participate in the there are unexpected surprises, look forward to your arrival. Only this site have this treatmentOur goal is "Best quality, Best reputation , Best services". Your satisfaction is our main pursue. You can find the best products from us, meeting your different needs. Ladies and Gentlemen weicome to my coolforsale.com.Here,there are the most fashion products . Pass by but don't miss it.Select your favorite clothing! Welcome to come next time ! Thank you! <a href="http://www.coolforsale.com/productlist.asp?id=s76" title="coolforsale.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.coolforsale.com/productlist.asp?id=s76</a> [coolforsale.com]   (Tracksuit w) ugg boot,POLO hoody,Jacket, Air jordan(1-24)shoes $33 Nike shox(R4,NZ,OZ,TL1,TL2,TL3) $35 Handbags(Coach lv fendi d&amp;g) $35 Tshirts (Polo<nobr> <wbr></nobr>,ed hardy,lacoste) $16 free shipping Thanks!!! Advance wish you a merry Christmas.</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.coolforsale.com/ [ coolforsale.com ] Dear ladies and gentlemen Hello , In order to meet Christmas , Site launched Christmas spree , welcome new and old customers come to participate in the there are unexpected surprises , look forward to your arrival .
Only this site have this treatmentOur goal is " Best quality , Best reputation , Best services " .
Your satisfaction is our main pursue .
You can find the best products from us , meeting your different needs .
Ladies and Gentlemen weicome to my coolforsale.com.Here,there are the most fashion products .
Pass by but do n't miss it.Select your favorite clothing !
Welcome to come next time !
Thank you !
http : //www.coolforsale.com/productlist.asp ? id = s76 [ coolforsale.com ] ( Tracksuit w ) ugg boot,POLO hoody,Jacket , Air jordan ( 1-24 ) shoes $ 33 Nike shox ( R4,NZ,OZ,TL1,TL2,TL3 ) $ 35 Handbags ( Coach lv fendi d&amp;g ) $ 35 Tshirts ( Polo ,ed hardy,lacoste ) $ 16 free shipping Thanks ! ! !
Advance wish you a merry Christmas .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.coolforsale.com/ [coolforsale.com]  Dear ladies and gentlemen Hello, In order to meet Christmas, Site launched Christmas spree, welcome new and old customers come to participate in the there are unexpected surprises, look forward to your arrival.
Only this site have this treatmentOur goal is "Best quality, Best reputation , Best services".
Your satisfaction is our main pursue.
You can find the best products from us, meeting your different needs.
Ladies and Gentlemen weicome to my coolforsale.com.Here,there are the most fashion products .
Pass by but don't miss it.Select your favorite clothing!
Welcome to come next time !
Thank you!
http://www.coolforsale.com/productlist.asp?id=s76 [coolforsale.com]   (Tracksuit w) ugg boot,POLO hoody,Jacket, Air jordan(1-24)shoes $33 Nike shox(R4,NZ,OZ,TL1,TL2,TL3) $35 Handbags(Coach lv fendi d&amp;g) $35 Tshirts (Polo ,ed hardy,lacoste) $16 free shipping Thanks!!!
Advance wish you a merry Christmas.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30219216</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30220172</id>
	<title>No CELL PHONES FOR YOU</title>
	<author>CHRONOSS2008</author>
	<datestamp>1259063940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>CELL SOUP NAZI declares NO CELL PHONES FOR YOU</p><p>you cannot break ANY law knowingly and if you do well you goto prison or get fined into non existance thus i can see that ALL cell networks in the UK will go poof unless they rethink said law.</p><p>GOOD about time stupidity came back to bite these twits.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>CELL SOUP NAZI declares NO CELL PHONES FOR YOUyou can not break ANY law knowingly and if you do well you goto prison or get fined into non existance thus i can see that ALL cell networks in the UK will go poof unless they rethink said law.GOOD about time stupidity came back to bite these twits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>CELL SOUP NAZI declares NO CELL PHONES FOR YOUyou cannot break ANY law knowingly and if you do well you goto prison or get fined into non existance thus i can see that ALL cell networks in the UK will go poof unless they rethink said law.GOOD about time stupidity came back to bite these twits.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30224072</id>
	<title>Re:Of Course...</title>
	<author>smallfries</author>
	<datestamp>1257158400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's really expensive. Three will offer 15GB/pm for &pound;15/pm. So in movie terms that is three (H264 compressed) blue ray rips at decent quality. I have no idea how expensive blue ray movies are in the UK, but I'm guessing that is a win purely on the monetary scale. Of course, it requires a 24-month contract and there is no guarantee they will still be unable to trace IPs in two years time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's really expensive .
Three will offer 15GB/pm for   15/pm .
So in movie terms that is three ( H264 compressed ) blue ray rips at decent quality .
I have no idea how expensive blue ray movies are in the UK , but I 'm guessing that is a win purely on the monetary scale .
Of course , it requires a 24-month contract and there is no guarantee they will still be unable to trace IPs in two years time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's really expensive.
Three will offer 15GB/pm for £15/pm.
So in movie terms that is three (H264 compressed) blue ray rips at decent quality.
I have no idea how expensive blue ray movies are in the UK, but I'm guessing that is a win purely on the monetary scale.
Of course, it requires a 24-month contract and there is no guarantee they will still be unable to trace IPs in two years time.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30221546</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30224404</id>
	<title>Re:Of Course...</title>
	<author>vegiVamp</author>
	<datestamp>1257161820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If I'm gonna be torrenting files on my cellphone (like hell I will, but if), I'm gonna be torrenting files *for* my cellphone. A movie in 3gp for a cellphone screen should run you somewhere between 100 and 200 meg, which is quite reasonable depending on your specific data plan and the country you're paying it in.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If I 'm gon na be torrenting files on my cellphone ( like hell I will , but if ) , I 'm gon na be torrenting files * for * my cellphone .
A movie in 3gp for a cellphone screen should run you somewhere between 100 and 200 meg , which is quite reasonable depending on your specific data plan and the country you 're paying it in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I'm gonna be torrenting files on my cellphone (like hell I will, but if), I'm gonna be torrenting files *for* my cellphone.
A movie in 3gp for a cellphone screen should run you somewhere between 100 and 200 meg, which is quite reasonable depending on your specific data plan and the country you're paying it in.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30219216</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30219278</id>
	<title>Errr Radius Authentication</title>
	<author>MilesTails</author>
	<datestamp>1259059860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Some basic assumptions are that the ISP uses a Radius server to have people authenticate their mobile network devices on their network. Radius servers record the calling phone number of the sim card. Lookup phone number/sim number against the owner at time of given download? Or is that far too simple?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some basic assumptions are that the ISP uses a Radius server to have people authenticate their mobile network devices on their network .
Radius servers record the calling phone number of the sim card .
Lookup phone number/sim number against the owner at time of given download ?
Or is that far too simple ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some basic assumptions are that the ISP uses a Radius server to have people authenticate their mobile network devices on their network.
Radius servers record the calling phone number of the sim card.
Lookup phone number/sim number against the owner at time of given download?
Or is that far too simple?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30219418</id>
	<title>A lesser form of the FSOSA meme...</title>
	<author>enselsharon</author>
	<datestamp>1259060520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't think FSOSA (free speech or stone age) had this (somewhat middle ground) scenario in mind, but it rhymes quite a bit.</p><p>Basically, you can't quash speech unless people can't access laptops and wireless cards.  Period.  You either go back to the stone age or accept arbitrary, free speech.</p><p>But in this case you don't even need to resort to some grassroots, duct-taped together community mesh network - you just need to get one or two abstractions away from the proper "Internet" and you're already there.  Which is really great news, actually.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think FSOSA ( free speech or stone age ) had this ( somewhat middle ground ) scenario in mind , but it rhymes quite a bit.Basically , you ca n't quash speech unless people ca n't access laptops and wireless cards .
Period. You either go back to the stone age or accept arbitrary , free speech.But in this case you do n't even need to resort to some grassroots , duct-taped together community mesh network - you just need to get one or two abstractions away from the proper " Internet " and you 're already there .
Which is really great news , actually .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think FSOSA (free speech or stone age) had this (somewhat middle ground) scenario in mind, but it rhymes quite a bit.Basically, you can't quash speech unless people can't access laptops and wireless cards.
Period.  You either go back to the stone age or accept arbitrary, free speech.But in this case you don't even need to resort to some grassroots, duct-taped together community mesh network - you just need to get one or two abstractions away from the proper "Internet" and you're already there.
Which is really great news, actually.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30219254</id>
	<title>What about the isp?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259059800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does this mean the ISP can look into my cd-collection and see that I don't own the right to use a mp3? If so, how? And better yet, how can we stop them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does this mean the ISP can look into my cd-collection and see that I do n't own the right to use a mp3 ?
If so , how ?
And better yet , how can we stop them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does this mean the ISP can look into my cd-collection and see that I don't own the right to use a mp3?
If so, how?
And better yet, how can we stop them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30221546</id>
	<title>Re:Of Course...</title>
	<author>Homburg</author>
	<datestamp>1259072400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not really. For 35 pounds, which is the price of 5 albums on itunes, you can get a 7GB package, with which you can download significantly more than 5 albums worth of MP3s, or even FLAC. 35 pounds is the price of about 3 DVDs - again, 7GB lets you download a lot more more than three films in decent quality Xvid.</p><p>It's not cost effective to download complete blue-ray rips over mobile broadband right now; but downloading files over pay-as-you go broadband is not a particularly silly idea.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not really .
For 35 pounds , which is the price of 5 albums on itunes , you can get a 7GB package , with which you can download significantly more than 5 albums worth of MP3s , or even FLAC .
35 pounds is the price of about 3 DVDs - again , 7GB lets you download a lot more more than three films in decent quality Xvid.It 's not cost effective to download complete blue-ray rips over mobile broadband right now ; but downloading files over pay-as-you go broadband is not a particularly silly idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not really.
For 35 pounds, which is the price of 5 albums on itunes, you can get a 7GB package, with which you can download significantly more than 5 albums worth of MP3s, or even FLAC.
35 pounds is the price of about 3 DVDs - again, 7GB lets you download a lot more more than three films in decent quality Xvid.It's not cost effective to download complete blue-ray rips over mobile broadband right now; but downloading files over pay-as-you go broadband is not a particularly silly idea.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30219216</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30221106</id>
	<title>Re:What about the isp?</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1259069100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here in the UK, you don't have a right to use the mp3, even if you do own the CD.</p><p>Unless you're Lily Allen, making a "mix tape" of copyrighted material - then it's okay. Even if you fileshare it to push your own career.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here in the UK , you do n't have a right to use the mp3 , even if you do own the CD.Unless you 're Lily Allen , making a " mix tape " of copyrighted material - then it 's okay .
Even if you fileshare it to push your own career .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here in the UK, you don't have a right to use the mp3, even if you do own the CD.Unless you're Lily Allen, making a "mix tape" of copyrighted material - then it's okay.
Even if you fileshare it to push your own career.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30219254</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30222978</id>
	<title>Re:Retarded</title>
	<author>EnglishSteve</author>
	<datestamp>1259085960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It depends where you are.  Here in Sweden, I can get a mobile broadband stick for free from a provider and get 20GB of bandwidth a month for 199sek.</p><p>In fact this is what I use for my home internet, as there is no landline connection to my house. Telia wants 10000sek to install one, so I told them where to stick it<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It depends where you are .
Here in Sweden , I can get a mobile broadband stick for free from a provider and get 20GB of bandwidth a month for 199sek.In fact this is what I use for my home internet , as there is no landline connection to my house .
Telia wants 10000sek to install one , so I told them where to stick it : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It depends where you are.
Here in Sweden, I can get a mobile broadband stick for free from a provider and get 20GB of bandwidth a month for 199sek.In fact this is what I use for my home internet, as there is no landline connection to my house.
Telia wants 10000sek to install one, so I told them where to stick it :)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30219320</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30220032</id>
	<title>Re:Errr Radius Authentication</title>
	<author>jonbryce</author>
	<datestamp>1259063400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes it is.  I can go into my local Three shop, hand over &pound;19.99 in cash for a pay as you go modem, and another &pound;15 for a one month access voucher.  They have no idea who I am.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes it is .
I can go into my local Three shop , hand over   19.99 in cash for a pay as you go modem , and another   15 for a one month access voucher .
They have no idea who I am .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes it is.
I can go into my local Three shop, hand over £19.99 in cash for a pay as you go modem, and another £15 for a one month access voucher.
They have no idea who I am.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30219278</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30220000</id>
	<title>"Specific Users"??</title>
	<author>markdavis</author>
	<datestamp>1259063280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;According to the article, databases (tracking IP address mappings) could be built to make it possible to identify what specific users are downloading</p><p>Exactly how is knowing an IP address mapping going to tell anyone which SPECIFIC USER is doing anything?  It might tell you which account is doing something.  But last I checked, that doesn't tie to a person.  Any number of people might use a single IP address.  At work, we have 150+ users behind a single IP address.</p><p>So, an account holder will be guilty, regardless of who the "user" actually was.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; According to the article , databases ( tracking IP address mappings ) could be built to make it possible to identify what specific users are downloadingExactly how is knowing an IP address mapping going to tell anyone which SPECIFIC USER is doing anything ?
It might tell you which account is doing something .
But last I checked , that does n't tie to a person .
Any number of people might use a single IP address .
At work , we have 150 + users behind a single IP address.So , an account holder will be guilty , regardless of who the " user " actually was .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;According to the article, databases (tracking IP address mappings) could be built to make it possible to identify what specific users are downloadingExactly how is knowing an IP address mapping going to tell anyone which SPECIFIC USER is doing anything?
It might tell you which account is doing something.
But last I checked, that doesn't tie to a person.
Any number of people might use a single IP address.
At work, we have 150+ users behind a single IP address.So, an account holder will be guilty, regardless of who the "user" actually was.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30219974</id>
	<title>Re:Of Course...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259063220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Back in the 1980s  people used to charge their long-distance calls for downloading pirated games to other people's calling cards.  Perhaps something similar is being done with downloading over cellular dialup/phones?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Back in the 1980s people used to charge their long-distance calls for downloading pirated games to other people 's calling cards .
Perhaps something similar is being done with downloading over cellular dialup/phones ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Back in the 1980s  people used to charge their long-distance calls for downloading pirated games to other people's calling cards.
Perhaps something similar is being done with downloading over cellular dialup/phones?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30219216</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30220856</id>
	<title>Re:Bill the record industry</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1259067600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why? They can just buy the laws to criminalize it, then use your tax dollars to enforce it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why ?
They can just buy the laws to criminalize it , then use your tax dollars to enforce it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why?
They can just buy the laws to criminalize it, then use your tax dollars to enforce it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30219302</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30220540</id>
	<title>Re:"Specific Users"??</title>
	<author>headkase</author>
	<datestamp>1259065740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Heh, should start a cooperative-run ISP connected to the bone which all it does is route traffic through network address translation!  Would that work?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Heh , should start a cooperative-run ISP connected to the bone which all it does is route traffic through network address translation !
Would that work ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Heh, should start a cooperative-run ISP connected to the bone which all it does is route traffic through network address translation!
Would that work?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30220000</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30219216</id>
	<title>Of Course...</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1259059620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Anybody who plans on running bittorrent over a prepaid mobile connection is either going to pirate very small files, or end up paying rather more than retail for them...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anybody who plans on running bittorrent over a prepaid mobile connection is either going to pirate very small files , or end up paying rather more than retail for them.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anybody who plans on running bittorrent over a prepaid mobile connection is either going to pirate very small files, or end up paying rather more than retail for them...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30223952</id>
	<title>Re:A feature not a bug</title>
	<author>julesh</author>
	<datestamp>1257156900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Unbelievable - it's actually close to anonymous? </i></p><p>No, it actually *is* anonymous.  I have pay-as-you-go mobile broadband from 3.  I bought the modem and SIM cash, and didn't provide any contact details when I did.  I pay for the service using vouchers, bought with cash over the counter at supermarkets.  They have no idea who I am, and probably only a vague idea where I am, and that only because I've made no effort to disguise it.  If I had refrained from using the modem at home or in places I visit regularly, I'd be practically unidentifiable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unbelievable - it 's actually close to anonymous ?
No , it actually * is * anonymous .
I have pay-as-you-go mobile broadband from 3 .
I bought the modem and SIM cash , and did n't provide any contact details when I did .
I pay for the service using vouchers , bought with cash over the counter at supermarkets .
They have no idea who I am , and probably only a vague idea where I am , and that only because I 've made no effort to disguise it .
If I had refrained from using the modem at home or in places I visit regularly , I 'd be practically unidentifiable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unbelievable - it's actually close to anonymous?
No, it actually *is* anonymous.
I have pay-as-you-go mobile broadband from 3.
I bought the modem and SIM cash, and didn't provide any contact details when I did.
I pay for the service using vouchers, bought with cash over the counter at supermarkets.
They have no idea who I am, and probably only a vague idea where I am, and that only because I've made no effort to disguise it.
If I had refrained from using the modem at home or in places I visit regularly, I'd be practically unidentifiable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30219452</id>
	<title>Re:Of Course...</title>
	<author>Captain Splendid</author>
	<datestamp>1259060700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Or you could just do it over "stolen" wifi instead, giving you the bonus of further concealing your tracks.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or you could just do it over " stolen " wifi instead , giving you the bonus of further concealing your tracks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or you could just do it over "stolen" wifi instead, giving you the bonus of further concealing your tracks.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30219216</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30230070</id>
	<title>Possibilities for hackers/crackers too?</title>
	<author>MattBD</author>
	<datestamp>1257153720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've wondered for a while what possibilities prepaid mobile broadband in the UK offer for hackers/crackers. Surely, a mobile broadband USB stick, is a hugely valuable hacking tool? You could buy one in cash so they can't trace your credit-debit card, don't register with the provider so you're effectively anonymous (most mobile ISP's require you to register before letting you access adult content), and you can be moving round a lot. Although they do seem to block web proxies, which is one point against.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've wondered for a while what possibilities prepaid mobile broadband in the UK offer for hackers/crackers .
Surely , a mobile broadband USB stick , is a hugely valuable hacking tool ?
You could buy one in cash so they ca n't trace your credit-debit card , do n't register with the provider so you 're effectively anonymous ( most mobile ISP 's require you to register before letting you access adult content ) , and you can be moving round a lot .
Although they do seem to block web proxies , which is one point against .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've wondered for a while what possibilities prepaid mobile broadband in the UK offer for hackers/crackers.
Surely, a mobile broadband USB stick, is a hugely valuable hacking tool?
You could buy one in cash so they can't trace your credit-debit card, don't register with the provider so you're effectively anonymous (most mobile ISP's require you to register before letting you access adult content), and you can be moving round a lot.
Although they do seem to block web proxies, which is one point against.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30220044</id>
	<title>Re:Or it would go the other way</title>
	<author>Animaether</author>
	<datestamp>1259063520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Sharing your connection using Joiku with a file-sharing felon might tar you with the same brush. 3 strikes and you're all out.</p></div></blockquote><p>Well you're the one deciding to share your connection.  Shouldn't it then be your own responsibility to check just exactly -who- you're sharing the thing with?</p><p>If you decide to share your gun - which you only use for plinking - with some random stranger, they shoot somebody, and the ballistics end up matching a gun that's registered to you, you'd have some explaining to do, too.</p><blockquote><div><p>Due process? We flushed that crap down the toilet years ago.</p></div></blockquote><p>While I agree with this, I can't help but put myself in the shoes of the other (Evil) side and see - in practice, in discussions on slashdot and even in newspapers - that the aforementioned is also being exploited as a defense.</p><p>"Your honor, the accused lives in a household with 3 other persons - his wife and his two children - any one of these could have performed this unauthorized sharing of copyrighted materials.  The defense has not shown evidence which of these four individuals in fact performed this unauthorized sharing of copyrighted materials.  Therefore, the defense moves for the accusation against the accused to be dropped."<br>Well gosh isn't that convenient.  So next time I want to download something using a sharing client, all I'll have to do is go to a busy spot downtown, open up my connection and broadcast it to the world as, say, "FreeInternet", and hey presto.. I might be doing something illegal but good bloody luck proving that it was actually -me- and not one of the dozen people that were using my shared connection; They can't. Pirate-me wins.</p><p>If these issues were on a scale, then they're neither balanced, nor tipped over in either direction; the entire mechanism simply broke and both sides claim things in their favor where they shouldn't be able to.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sharing your connection using Joiku with a file-sharing felon might tar you with the same brush .
3 strikes and you 're all out.Well you 're the one deciding to share your connection .
Should n't it then be your own responsibility to check just exactly -who- you 're sharing the thing with ? If you decide to share your gun - which you only use for plinking - with some random stranger , they shoot somebody , and the ballistics end up matching a gun that 's registered to you , you 'd have some explaining to do , too.Due process ?
We flushed that crap down the toilet years ago.While I agree with this , I ca n't help but put myself in the shoes of the other ( Evil ) side and see - in practice , in discussions on slashdot and even in newspapers - that the aforementioned is also being exploited as a defense .
" Your honor , the accused lives in a household with 3 other persons - his wife and his two children - any one of these could have performed this unauthorized sharing of copyrighted materials .
The defense has not shown evidence which of these four individuals in fact performed this unauthorized sharing of copyrighted materials .
Therefore , the defense moves for the accusation against the accused to be dropped .
" Well gosh is n't that convenient .
So next time I want to download something using a sharing client , all I 'll have to do is go to a busy spot downtown , open up my connection and broadcast it to the world as , say , " FreeInternet " , and hey presto.. I might be doing something illegal but good bloody luck proving that it was actually -me- and not one of the dozen people that were using my shared connection ; They ca n't .
Pirate-me wins.If these issues were on a scale , then they 're neither balanced , nor tipped over in either direction ; the entire mechanism simply broke and both sides claim things in their favor where they should n't be able to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sharing your connection using Joiku with a file-sharing felon might tar you with the same brush.
3 strikes and you're all out.Well you're the one deciding to share your connection.
Shouldn't it then be your own responsibility to check just exactly -who- you're sharing the thing with?If you decide to share your gun - which you only use for plinking - with some random stranger, they shoot somebody, and the ballistics end up matching a gun that's registered to you, you'd have some explaining to do, too.Due process?
We flushed that crap down the toilet years ago.While I agree with this, I can't help but put myself in the shoes of the other (Evil) side and see - in practice, in discussions on slashdot and even in newspapers - that the aforementioned is also being exploited as a defense.
"Your honor, the accused lives in a household with 3 other persons - his wife and his two children - any one of these could have performed this unauthorized sharing of copyrighted materials.
The defense has not shown evidence which of these four individuals in fact performed this unauthorized sharing of copyrighted materials.
Therefore, the defense moves for the accusation against the accused to be dropped.
"Well gosh isn't that convenient.
So next time I want to download something using a sharing client, all I'll have to do is go to a busy spot downtown, open up my connection and broadcast it to the world as, say, "FreeInternet", and hey presto.. I might be doing something illegal but good bloody luck proving that it was actually -me- and not one of the dozen people that were using my shared connection; They can't.
Pirate-me wins.If these issues were on a scale, then they're neither balanced, nor tipped over in either direction; the entire mechanism simply broke and both sides claim things in their favor where they shouldn't be able to.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30219238</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30222182</id>
	<title>Seriously...</title>
	<author>joocemann</author>
	<datestamp>1259077680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... all this really does is give them more dead horse to beat on.</p><p>All the while not considering that piracy is so widespread it is best described as 'natural' and is found ubiquitous among the poor, rich, educated, ignorant, moral, and immoral.  Piracy is almost as common as laughing, and probably more popular than religion.</p><p>No.... lets pretend this is a curable disease; an infestation of the people's perception that can be righted..... lets beat this frikking horse to pieces and when the path gets awkward, beat it some more!!!!!<br>--------</p><p>Or... Or we could try to understand peoples and cultures and not try to incriminate ourselves (yes we permit our governments that tickle/torture/incriminate us) --- maybe we could find better business and cultural/legal models that are realistic.... What.. did I just say REALISTIC?</p><p>Yes... realistic.  If bread was digital, we'd all be making copies.  And that is realistic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... all this really does is give them more dead horse to beat on.All the while not considering that piracy is so widespread it is best described as 'natural ' and is found ubiquitous among the poor , rich , educated , ignorant , moral , and immoral .
Piracy is almost as common as laughing , and probably more popular than religion.No.... lets pretend this is a curable disease ; an infestation of the people 's perception that can be righted..... lets beat this frikking horse to pieces and when the path gets awkward , beat it some more ! ! ! ! ! --------Or.. .
Or we could try to understand peoples and cultures and not try to incriminate ourselves ( yes we permit our governments that tickle/torture/incriminate us ) --- maybe we could find better business and cultural/legal models that are realistic.... What.. did I just say REALISTIC ? Yes... realistic. If bread was digital , we 'd all be making copies .
And that is realistic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... all this really does is give them more dead horse to beat on.All the while not considering that piracy is so widespread it is best described as 'natural' and is found ubiquitous among the poor, rich, educated, ignorant, moral, and immoral.
Piracy is almost as common as laughing, and probably more popular than religion.No.... lets pretend this is a curable disease; an infestation of the people's perception that can be righted..... lets beat this frikking horse to pieces and when the path gets awkward, beat it some more!!!!!--------Or...
Or we could try to understand peoples and cultures and not try to incriminate ourselves (yes we permit our governments that tickle/torture/incriminate us) --- maybe we could find better business and cultural/legal models that are realistic.... What.. did I just say REALISTIC?Yes... realistic.  If bread was digital, we'd all be making copies.
And that is realistic.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30221258</id>
	<title>It Gets Tricky...</title>
	<author>Bob9113</author>
	<datestamp>1259070000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Making laws is easy when it is a vetted and money'd interest on one side and some upstart disruptive ne'er do well on the other. Things get a bit more complicated when there is influence on both sides of the issue. How can lawmakers possibly know what is right when there are bribes available on both sides of an issue? It is an unreasonable thing we ask of them -- ultimately they have to try to predict which side will be able to give them more money in the future.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Making laws is easy when it is a vetted and money 'd interest on one side and some upstart disruptive ne'er do well on the other .
Things get a bit more complicated when there is influence on both sides of the issue .
How can lawmakers possibly know what is right when there are bribes available on both sides of an issue ?
It is an unreasonable thing we ask of them -- ultimately they have to try to predict which side will be able to give them more money in the future .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Making laws is easy when it is a vetted and money'd interest on one side and some upstart disruptive ne'er do well on the other.
Things get a bit more complicated when there is influence on both sides of the issue.
How can lawmakers possibly know what is right when there are bribes available on both sides of an issue?
It is an unreasonable thing we ask of them -- ultimately they have to try to predict which side will be able to give them more money in the future.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30220228</id>
	<title>Re:Telling users how to get away with piracy?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259064240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We the People have granted a *temporary* monopoly to authors so they earn some money off their product.    <b>   This monopoly is intended to benefit the People by enriching our lives, and the lives of the authors, not to go-around ruining various citizens lives with million-dollar court punishments and/or threatening persons with $5000 extortionate letters ("pay up or else").  </b>   We the People gave these authors a generous monopoly over their works, and they have abused it.  Like a kid who takes crayons and scrawls on your wallpaper.</p><p>Since they have demonstrated they can not handle the responsibility, it's time for we the people to take-back the monopoly.  You couldn't behave.   You ruined people's lives and are *destroying* our culture instead of enriching it.  And now you're done.</p><p>The crayons are being taken away.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We the People have granted a * temporary * monopoly to authors so they earn some money off their product .
This monopoly is intended to benefit the People by enriching our lives , and the lives of the authors , not to go-around ruining various citizens lives with million-dollar court punishments and/or threatening persons with $ 5000 extortionate letters ( " pay up or else " ) .
We the People gave these authors a generous monopoly over their works , and they have abused it .
Like a kid who takes crayons and scrawls on your wallpaper.Since they have demonstrated they can not handle the responsibility , it 's time for we the people to take-back the monopoly .
You could n't behave .
You ruined people 's lives and are * destroying * our culture instead of enriching it .
And now you 're done.The crayons are being taken away .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We the People have granted a *temporary* monopoly to authors so they earn some money off their product.
This monopoly is intended to benefit the People by enriching our lives, and the lives of the authors, not to go-around ruining various citizens lives with million-dollar court punishments and/or threatening persons with $5000 extortionate letters ("pay up or else").
We the People gave these authors a generous monopoly over their works, and they have abused it.
Like a kid who takes crayons and scrawls on your wallpaper.Since they have demonstrated they can not handle the responsibility, it's time for we the people to take-back the monopoly.
You couldn't behave.
You ruined people's lives and are *destroying* our culture instead of enriching it.
And now you're done.The crayons are being taken away.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30223478</id>
	<title>Not necessarily</title>
	<author>brucmack</author>
	<datestamp>1257193200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It depends on where you live. Here in Denmark, pay-by-the-MB mobile broadband is virtually extinct. Between the various providers, there are 1GB, 2GB, 5GB, 10GB, and unlimited monthly plans, with speeds varying from 1 mbit to 16 mbit. If you go over your limit, most providers just stick you in a low priority queue, so you just get a slower connection.</p><p>I've got an unlimited 7 mbit plan, and it is definitely fast enough to run BitTorrent on it. I get at least 4 mbit whenever I'm anywhere near a cell tower.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It depends on where you live .
Here in Denmark , pay-by-the-MB mobile broadband is virtually extinct .
Between the various providers , there are 1GB , 2GB , 5GB , 10GB , and unlimited monthly plans , with speeds varying from 1 mbit to 16 mbit .
If you go over your limit , most providers just stick you in a low priority queue , so you just get a slower connection.I 've got an unlimited 7 mbit plan , and it is definitely fast enough to run BitTorrent on it .
I get at least 4 mbit whenever I 'm anywhere near a cell tower .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It depends on where you live.
Here in Denmark, pay-by-the-MB mobile broadband is virtually extinct.
Between the various providers, there are 1GB, 2GB, 5GB, 10GB, and unlimited monthly plans, with speeds varying from 1 mbit to 16 mbit.
If you go over your limit, most providers just stick you in a low priority queue, so you just get a slower connection.I've got an unlimited 7 mbit plan, and it is definitely fast enough to run BitTorrent on it.
I get at least 4 mbit whenever I'm anywhere near a cell tower.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30219216</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30224456</id>
	<title>Number10 Petition</title>
	<author>ilikejam</author>
	<datestamp>1257162420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sign please!<br><a href="http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/dontdisconnectus/" title="number10.gov.uk" rel="nofollow">http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/dontdisconnectus/</a> [number10.gov.uk]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sign please ! http : //petitions.number10.gov.uk/dontdisconnectus/ [ number10.gov.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sign please!http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/dontdisconnectus/ [number10.gov.uk]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30219302</id>
	<title>Bill the record industry</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1259059980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If the record industry wants this data, they can pay for its collection.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the record industry wants this data , they can pay for its collection .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the record industry wants this data, they can pay for its collection.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30224424</id>
	<title>Lord Mandelson's response</title>
	<author>Kupfernigk</author>
	<datestamp>1257162000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Government loves Rupert Murdoch and the media companies - I must kill filesharers! But the Government loves Vodafone, O2 and Three - I must protect the revenue of the telephone companies! There is a conflict in my Prime Directive!<p>Head explodes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Government loves Rupert Murdoch and the media companies - I must kill filesharers !
But the Government loves Vodafone , O2 and Three - I must protect the revenue of the telephone companies !
There is a conflict in my Prime Directive ! Head explodes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Government loves Rupert Murdoch and the media companies - I must kill filesharers!
But the Government loves Vodafone, O2 and Three - I must protect the revenue of the telephone companies!
There is a conflict in my Prime Directive!Head explodes.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30219238</id>
	<title>Or it would go the other way</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259059740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sharing your connection using Joiku with a file-sharing felon might tar you with the same brush.  3 strikes and you're all out.</p><p>Due process?  We flushed that crap down the toilet years ago.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sharing your connection using Joiku with a file-sharing felon might tar you with the same brush .
3 strikes and you 're all out.Due process ?
We flushed that crap down the toilet years ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sharing your connection using Joiku with a file-sharing felon might tar you with the same brush.
3 strikes and you're all out.Due process?
We flushed that crap down the toilet years ago.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30220008</id>
	<title>Re:Errr Radius Authentication</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1259063340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And now record EVERY single connection. And I don't mean every time someone logs in with you, the ISP, but I mean EVERY connection, http, ftp, telnet and otherwise, ever done by every single customer, and record source IP, destination IP, time and a few other tidbits. You know how many entries a single webpage, given all the ads, google trackers and other crap littering them, creates? Now extrapolate by the number of your customers and let's be conservative and say they open one page every 5 minutes (creating somewhere between 10 and 20 entries each), and consider that you have to store this information for half a year, and you may notice why they don't want to bear the burden of cost.</p><p>Personally, I think it's time to invest in stock of Seagate, IBM and other storage manufacturers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And now record EVERY single connection .
And I do n't mean every time someone logs in with you , the ISP , but I mean EVERY connection , http , ftp , telnet and otherwise , ever done by every single customer , and record source IP , destination IP , time and a few other tidbits .
You know how many entries a single webpage , given all the ads , google trackers and other crap littering them , creates ?
Now extrapolate by the number of your customers and let 's be conservative and say they open one page every 5 minutes ( creating somewhere between 10 and 20 entries each ) , and consider that you have to store this information for half a year , and you may notice why they do n't want to bear the burden of cost.Personally , I think it 's time to invest in stock of Seagate , IBM and other storage manufacturers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And now record EVERY single connection.
And I don't mean every time someone logs in with you, the ISP, but I mean EVERY connection, http, ftp, telnet and otherwise, ever done by every single customer, and record source IP, destination IP, time and a few other tidbits.
You know how many entries a single webpage, given all the ads, google trackers and other crap littering them, creates?
Now extrapolate by the number of your customers and let's be conservative and say they open one page every 5 minutes (creating somewhere between 10 and 20 entries each), and consider that you have to store this information for half a year, and you may notice why they don't want to bear the burden of cost.Personally, I think it's time to invest in stock of Seagate, IBM and other storage manufacturers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30219278</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30220482</id>
	<title>Re:Telling users how to get away with piracy?</title>
	<author>headkase</author>
	<datestamp>1259065440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Please see this: <a href="http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1450972&amp;cid=30167330" title="slashdot.org">Thread</a> [slashdot.org] for some suitable outrage yay!  But also, please see this: <a href="http://www.thepublicdomain.org/" title="thepublicdomain.org">Book</a> [thepublicdomain.org] (its a free download) for facts.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Please see this : Thread [ slashdot.org ] for some suitable outrage yay !
But also , please see this : Book [ thepublicdomain.org ] ( its a free download ) for facts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please see this: Thread [slashdot.org] for some suitable outrage yay!
But also, please see this: Book [thepublicdomain.org] (its a free download) for facts.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30220228</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30224202</id>
	<title>Re:Retarded</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257159840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pretty much all of the UK's mobile networks provide wireless internet access using dongles these days and a mobile phone isn't required to use them. Some come with 3GB per month traffic allowance which is sufficient to download a few films or many more music albums and I'm pretty sure many of these connections are infact used in this manner so this isn't a non-article.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pretty much all of the UK 's mobile networks provide wireless internet access using dongles these days and a mobile phone is n't required to use them .
Some come with 3GB per month traffic allowance which is sufficient to download a few films or many more music albums and I 'm pretty sure many of these connections are infact used in this manner so this is n't a non-article .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pretty much all of the UK's mobile networks provide wireless internet access using dongles these days and a mobile phone isn't required to use them.
Some come with 3GB per month traffic allowance which is sufficient to download a few films or many more music albums and I'm pretty sure many of these connections are infact used in this manner so this isn't a non-article.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30219320</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30223860</id>
	<title>Re:Of Course...</title>
	<author>L4t3r4lu5</author>
	<datestamp>1257155880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Nuh-uh! My iPhone came with <b>unlimited</b> data!<br> <br>&lt;/sarcasm&gt;</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nuh-uh !
My iPhone came with unlimited data !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nuh-uh!
My iPhone came with unlimited data! </sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30226282</id>
	<title>Re:What about the isp?</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1257179100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why would ripping your CDs to MP3s be illegal, as long as you don't distribute them? We made cassettes of our LPs for years, and it was specifically legalized in the 1970s before the record and movie companies started bribing Congress.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would ripping your CDs to MP3s be illegal , as long as you do n't distribute them ?
We made cassettes of our LPs for years , and it was specifically legalized in the 1970s before the record and movie companies started bribing Congress .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would ripping your CDs to MP3s be illegal, as long as you don't distribute them?
We made cassettes of our LPs for years, and it was specifically legalized in the 1970s before the record and movie companies started bribing Congress.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30219254</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30224446</id>
	<title>Re:Or it would go the other way</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257162300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thankfully this is the UK where owning a gun isn't exactly common practice...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thankfully this is the UK where owning a gun is n't exactly common practice.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thankfully this is the UK where owning a gun isn't exactly common practice...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30220402</id>
	<title>Re:Wow</title>
	<author>headkase</author>
	<datestamp>1259065020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The agenda probably goes something more like this:  They don't care who is on the other end because soon they'll phase out that pesky anonymity because, you know, them terrrrrissts could use it!  Yes thats it!  Lets kill another Civil Liberty because we can!  *Cackles-Evily-As-They-Stuff-Their-Pockets-Full-Of-Money*</htmltext>
<tokenext>The agenda probably goes something more like this : They do n't care who is on the other end because soon they 'll phase out that pesky anonymity because , you know , them terrrrrissts could use it !
Yes thats it !
Lets kill another Civil Liberty because we can !
* Cackles-Evily-As-They-Stuff-Their-Pockets-Full-Of-Money *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The agenda probably goes something more like this:  They don't care who is on the other end because soon they'll phase out that pesky anonymity because, you know, them terrrrrissts could use it!
Yes thats it!
Lets kill another Civil Liberty because we can!
*Cackles-Evily-As-They-Stuff-Their-Pockets-Full-Of-Money*</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30219180</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30220574</id>
	<title>Re:Retarded</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259065920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And what do you think it will be like in 5 or 10 years' time?</p><p>The bottom line is that, aside from the legislation being bad for many reasons, it will be outpaced by technology in a matter of years. The flip side is that the Government uses this as as argument for mandatory monitoring and registration of mobile networks - we need to be watchful of this, before it's too late.</p><p>Unfortunately there is already a catch - thanks to "OMG Think Of The Children" paranoia, all mobile broadband in the UK (AFAIK) has censorship turned on by default. There's no information on this when you buy it - they simply refuse to offer the service that you've paid for, even if you buy in person and you're obviously an adult. And it catches far more than porn sites - in some cases, I've been blocked by sites that aren't "adult" in the slightest. And the only way to turn it off is to either use a credit card, or show up with proof of age, both of which would allow them to identify you. Even if you're way over 18, and it ought to be bloody stupid to even consider asking for proof of age</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And what do you think it will be like in 5 or 10 years ' time ? The bottom line is that , aside from the legislation being bad for many reasons , it will be outpaced by technology in a matter of years .
The flip side is that the Government uses this as as argument for mandatory monitoring and registration of mobile networks - we need to be watchful of this , before it 's too late.Unfortunately there is already a catch - thanks to " OMG Think Of The Children " paranoia , all mobile broadband in the UK ( AFAIK ) has censorship turned on by default .
There 's no information on this when you buy it - they simply refuse to offer the service that you 've paid for , even if you buy in person and you 're obviously an adult .
And it catches far more than porn sites - in some cases , I 've been blocked by sites that are n't " adult " in the slightest .
And the only way to turn it off is to either use a credit card , or show up with proof of age , both of which would allow them to identify you .
Even if you 're way over 18 , and it ought to be bloody stupid to even consider asking for proof of age</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And what do you think it will be like in 5 or 10 years' time?The bottom line is that, aside from the legislation being bad for many reasons, it will be outpaced by technology in a matter of years.
The flip side is that the Government uses this as as argument for mandatory monitoring and registration of mobile networks - we need to be watchful of this, before it's too late.Unfortunately there is already a catch - thanks to "OMG Think Of The Children" paranoia, all mobile broadband in the UK (AFAIK) has censorship turned on by default.
There's no information on this when you buy it - they simply refuse to offer the service that you've paid for, even if you buy in person and you're obviously an adult.
And it catches far more than porn sites - in some cases, I've been blocked by sites that aren't "adult" in the slightest.
And the only way to turn it off is to either use a credit card, or show up with proof of age, both of which would allow them to identify you.
Even if you're way over 18, and it ought to be bloody stupid to even consider asking for proof of age</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30219436</id>
	<title>The wonders of NAT</title>
	<author>Ponderu</author>
	<datestamp>1259060640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For those who haven't RTFA, they're pretty much just saying that mobile networks in the UK use NAT for their data connections so there's no way to narrow connections to one user.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For those who have n't RTFA , they 're pretty much just saying that mobile networks in the UK use NAT for their data connections so there 's no way to narrow connections to one user .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For those who haven't RTFA, they're pretty much just saying that mobile networks in the UK use NAT for their data connections so there's no way to narrow connections to one user.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30220350</id>
	<title>Re:What about the isp?</title>
	<author>headkase</author>
	<datestamp>1259064840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Here in Canada, you can borrow a friends original cd and copy it to a blank cd for your own use.  This is legal because of the levy placed on blank media.  However, if you own a cd and download a song from that cd from a peer-to-peer network that is illegal as infringement.  Someday they'll tie themselves into enough knots that hopefully they'll cut off the blood to their brains.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here in Canada , you can borrow a friends original cd and copy it to a blank cd for your own use .
This is legal because of the levy placed on blank media .
However , if you own a cd and download a song from that cd from a peer-to-peer network that is illegal as infringement .
Someday they 'll tie themselves into enough knots that hopefully they 'll cut off the blood to their brains .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here in Canada, you can borrow a friends original cd and copy it to a blank cd for your own use.
This is legal because of the levy placed on blank media.
However, if you own a cd and download a song from that cd from a peer-to-peer network that is illegal as infringement.
Someday they'll tie themselves into enough knots that hopefully they'll cut off the blood to their brains.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30219180</id>
	<title>Wow</title>
	<author>taucross</author>
	<datestamp>1259059440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>They have no way of telling which subscribers are file sharing on any network - ask your local laser printer. I guess they'll just have to make do...</htmltext>
<tokenext>They have no way of telling which subscribers are file sharing on any network - ask your local laser printer .
I guess they 'll just have to make do.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They have no way of telling which subscribers are file sharing on any network - ask your local laser printer.
I guess they'll just have to make do...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30224450</id>
	<title>Re:Of Course...</title>
	<author>daem0n1x</author>
	<datestamp>1257162300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't know where you live but here I can just go out to a shop and buy an USB dongle that uses HSDPA. It's pretty fast and I pay a prepaid flat rate.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know where you live but here I can just go out to a shop and buy an USB dongle that uses HSDPA .
It 's pretty fast and I pay a prepaid flat rate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know where you live but here I can just go out to a shop and buy an USB dongle that uses HSDPA.
It's pretty fast and I pay a prepaid flat rate.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30221036</id>
	<title>Re:Of Course...</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1259068680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now. What about in 5 years' time?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now .
What about in 5 years ' time ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now.
What about in 5 years' time?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30219202</id>
	<title>Good.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259059560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I for one scoff at identity tracking technology.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I for one scoff at identity tracking technology .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I for one scoff at identity tracking technology.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30219674</id>
	<title>Everyone has always known...</title>
	<author>Lord Bitman</author>
	<datestamp>1259061720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Filesharing is "the perfect crime" in any situation which doesn't involve horrible crippling of networks. There has NEVER been a solid mapping between "person" and "network route", and there never will be on any sane network architecture.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Filesharing is " the perfect crime " in any situation which does n't involve horrible crippling of networks .
There has NEVER been a solid mapping between " person " and " network route " , and there never will be on any sane network architecture .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Filesharing is "the perfect crime" in any situation which doesn't involve horrible crippling of networks.
There has NEVER been a solid mapping between "person" and "network route", and there never will be on any sane network architecture.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30220622</id>
	<title>Re:Retarded</title>
	<author>agnosticnixie</author>
	<datestamp>1259066100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unlimited EDGE is certainly faster than 56k and slower DSL</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unlimited EDGE is certainly faster than 56k and slower DSL</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unlimited EDGE is certainly faster than 56k and slower DSL</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30219736</id>
	<title>Ban anonymous prepaid</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259061960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And require all devices to be registered, with clients shimmed into your ip stack being required to access anything online.   This is where it will end up.  Everyone will be running something like the old netzero client<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. ack.</p><p>Remember only terrorists and pirates want to be anonymous... You have nothing to hide.. do you ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And require all devices to be registered , with clients shimmed into your ip stack being required to access anything online .
This is where it will end up .
Everyone will be running something like the old netzero client .. ack.Remember only terrorists and pirates want to be anonymous... You have nothing to hide.. do you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And require all devices to be registered, with clients shimmed into your ip stack being required to access anything online.
This is where it will end up.
Everyone will be running something like the old netzero client .. ack.Remember only terrorists and pirates want to be anonymous... You have nothing to hide.. do you ?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30221078</id>
	<title>Re:Or it would go the other way</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1259068920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>If you decide to share your gun - which you only use for plinking - with some random stranger, they shoot somebody, and the ballistics end up matching a gun that's registered to you, you'd have some explaining to do, too.</i></p><p>Yes, but you still wouldn't be guilty of murder. And this would still be a reasonable defence - whether or not the jury believe it is another matter.</p><p><i>"Your honor</i></p><p>Stop right there - the whole problem with this proposed law is that there <i>is</i> no "honor", and no defence. Whether people are disconnected isn't going to be up to a court to decide (although I'm not sure if the exact process of how this will work has been worked out yet?)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you decide to share your gun - which you only use for plinking - with some random stranger , they shoot somebody , and the ballistics end up matching a gun that 's registered to you , you 'd have some explaining to do , too.Yes , but you still would n't be guilty of murder .
And this would still be a reasonable defence - whether or not the jury believe it is another matter .
" Your honorStop right there - the whole problem with this proposed law is that there is no " honor " , and no defence .
Whether people are disconnected is n't going to be up to a court to decide ( although I 'm not sure if the exact process of how this will work has been worked out yet ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you decide to share your gun - which you only use for plinking - with some random stranger, they shoot somebody, and the ballistics end up matching a gun that's registered to you, you'd have some explaining to do, too.Yes, but you still wouldn't be guilty of murder.
And this would still be a reasonable defence - whether or not the jury believe it is another matter.
"Your honorStop right there - the whole problem with this proposed law is that there is no "honor", and no defence.
Whether people are disconnected isn't going to be up to a court to decide (although I'm not sure if the exact process of how this will work has been worked out yet?
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_24_2025212.30224178</id>
	<title>Re:Simple Solution</title>
	<author>Lincolnshire Poacher</author>
	<datestamp>1257159660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; The solution to the problem of file sharing is very simple.</p><p>It is indeed: just stop downloading and acquiring, legally or illegally, the ``content'' that these companies produce.</p><p>Do something else instead of being spoon-fed entertainment.  Go for a swim, meet up with friends for a chat or wonder at the stars.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; The solution to the problem of file sharing is very simple.It is indeed : just stop downloading and acquiring , legally or illegally , the ` ` content' ' that these companies produce.Do something else instead of being spoon-fed entertainment .
Go for a swim , meet up with friends for a chat or wonder at the stars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; The solution to the problem of file sharing is very simple.It is indeed: just stop downloading and acquiring, legally or illegally, the ``content'' that these companies produce.Do something else instead of being spoon-fed entertainment.
Go for a swim, meet up with friends for a chat or wonder at the stars.</sentencetext>
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