<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_23_155220</id>
	<title>Apple vs. Microsoft Multi-Touch Mouse Comparison</title>
	<author>CmdrTaco</author>
	<datestamp>1258991580000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>blee37 writes <i>"This is a side-by-side <a href="http://scitedaily.com/2009/11/23/apple-vs-microsoft-multi-touch-mouse-comparison/">comparison of the Apple and Microsoft multi-touch mice</a>.  It includes video demonstrations of using the mice in applications, first-person shooters and 3D manipulation. It also has new photos of the internals of all the mice."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>blee37 writes " This is a side-by-side comparison of the Apple and Microsoft multi-touch mice .
It includes video demonstrations of using the mice in applications , first-person shooters and 3D manipulation .
It also has new photos of the internals of all the mice .
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<sentencetext>blee37 writes "This is a side-by-side comparison of the Apple and Microsoft multi-touch mice.
It includes video demonstrations of using the mice in applications, first-person shooters and 3D manipulation.
It also has new photos of the internals of all the mice.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30203030</id>
	<title>"Tame improvement"</title>
	<author>Nerdposeur</author>
	<datestamp>1258997340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From TFA:</p><blockquote><div><p>The Magic Mouse is a straightforward application of multi-touch to mousing and is a tame improvement compared with Microsoft's more radical designs.</p></div></blockquote><p>...and by "tame" we mean "already living peacefully in people's houses." And by "radical" we mean "awesome in theory."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA : The Magic Mouse is a straightforward application of multi-touch to mousing and is a tame improvement compared with Microsoft 's more radical designs....and by " tame " we mean " already living peacefully in people 's houses .
" And by " radical " we mean " awesome in theory .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA:The Magic Mouse is a straightforward application of multi-touch to mousing and is a tame improvement compared with Microsoft's more radical designs....and by "tame" we mean "already living peacefully in people's houses.
" And by "radical" we mean "awesome in theory.
"
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30202762</id>
	<title>Re:Touch screens and the like</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258995780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The dirt issue seems much worse with normal scroll mice.  Bacon remnants are fairly easy to wipe (or indeed, lick) off a smooth surface like a touch pad.  Once any amount of dirt gets into the mechanical bits of a scroll wheel, you're left with the option of putting up with a sticky scroll wheel, or buying a new mouse.</p><p>The tactile feedback part is exactly how I feel, though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The dirt issue seems much worse with normal scroll mice .
Bacon remnants are fairly easy to wipe ( or indeed , lick ) off a smooth surface like a touch pad .
Once any amount of dirt gets into the mechanical bits of a scroll wheel , you 're left with the option of putting up with a sticky scroll wheel , or buying a new mouse.The tactile feedback part is exactly how I feel , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The dirt issue seems much worse with normal scroll mice.
Bacon remnants are fairly easy to wipe (or indeed, lick) off a smooth surface like a touch pad.
Once any amount of dirt gets into the mechanical bits of a scroll wheel, you're left with the option of putting up with a sticky scroll wheel, or buying a new mouse.The tactile feedback part is exactly how I feel, though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30202912</id>
	<title>Advantages?</title>
	<author>foobsr</author>
	<datestamp>1258996620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Apart from probably gaming, I have difficulties to get a grasp of the advantages of the concept, especially if compared to a multi-touch tablet.
<br> <br>
CC.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apart from probably gaming , I have difficulties to get a grasp of the advantages of the concept , especially if compared to a multi-touch tablet .
CC .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apart from probably gaming, I have difficulties to get a grasp of the advantages of the concept, especially if compared to a multi-touch tablet.
CC.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30205266</id>
	<title>Re:I sold my magic mouse :O</title>
	<author>Sandbags</author>
	<datestamp>1258966860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>should have given it more than an hour...  Aside from the lack of a 3rd click (which folks inside apple have admitted is on the way), it's actually real nice to use, ands you quickly learn how to use it and avoid invalid motions.  Also, pinch/zoom is also rumored to be on the way in a driver update.</p><p>Personally though, I'm holding out for the iTablet with NFC chips.  Simply put the 9" tablet near where you'd have a mouse, in proximity to a Mac with a USB receiver (or later native internal support), and it becomes a waccom tablet with multi-tough (and per rumor, an extention of the screen posibly including dock icons and several system controls!)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>should have given it more than an hour... Aside from the lack of a 3rd click ( which folks inside apple have admitted is on the way ) , it 's actually real nice to use , ands you quickly learn how to use it and avoid invalid motions .
Also , pinch/zoom is also rumored to be on the way in a driver update.Personally though , I 'm holding out for the iTablet with NFC chips .
Simply put the 9 " tablet near where you 'd have a mouse , in proximity to a Mac with a USB receiver ( or later native internal support ) , and it becomes a waccom tablet with multi-tough ( and per rumor , an extention of the screen posibly including dock icons and several system controls !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>should have given it more than an hour...  Aside from the lack of a 3rd click (which folks inside apple have admitted is on the way), it's actually real nice to use, ands you quickly learn how to use it and avoid invalid motions.
Also, pinch/zoom is also rumored to be on the way in a driver update.Personally though, I'm holding out for the iTablet with NFC chips.
Simply put the 9" tablet near where you'd have a mouse, in proximity to a Mac with a USB receiver (or later native internal support), and it becomes a waccom tablet with multi-tough (and per rumor, an extention of the screen posibly including dock icons and several system controls!
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30211400</id>
	<title>Re:Lifting fingers...</title>
	<author>Sky Cry</author>
	<datestamp>1259062560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With traditional mouse you have to use force to push button down. With this new mouse you have to use force to push finger up and then let it fall down. You have to use some force either way and I doubt raising your finger is harder than pushing the button.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With traditional mouse you have to use force to push button down .
With this new mouse you have to use force to push finger up and then let it fall down .
You have to use some force either way and I doubt raising your finger is harder than pushing the button .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With traditional mouse you have to use force to push button down.
With this new mouse you have to use force to push finger up and then let it fall down.
You have to use some force either way and I doubt raising your finger is harder than pushing the button.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30203004</id>
	<title>Re:Lifting fingers...</title>
	<author>HogGeek</author>
	<datestamp>1258997220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not with the Apple Product.</p><p>I'm using one now, and there is a "tactical" feel for the actual click...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not with the Apple Product.I 'm using one now , and there is a " tactical " feel for the actual click.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not with the Apple Product.I'm using one now, and there is a "tactical" feel for the actual click...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30202896</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30203200</id>
	<title>Holy crap...</title>
	<author>sean.peters</author>
	<datestamp>1258998240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... how often do you click, anyway? If your finger would seriously get tired from being lifted a millimeter off the mouse and then letting it fall back... man, see a doctor. If you can't manage the effort involved in lifting your finger occasionally to click, I'd hate to see what happened when you have to actually TYPE something.</p><p>I'm sort of lukewarm to the whole mighty mouse concept myself, but I can't see this as a serious objection to it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... how often do you click , anyway ?
If your finger would seriously get tired from being lifted a millimeter off the mouse and then letting it fall back... man , see a doctor .
If you ca n't manage the effort involved in lifting your finger occasionally to click , I 'd hate to see what happened when you have to actually TYPE something.I 'm sort of lukewarm to the whole mighty mouse concept myself , but I ca n't see this as a serious objection to it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... how often do you click, anyway?
If your finger would seriously get tired from being lifted a millimeter off the mouse and then letting it fall back... man, see a doctor.
If you can't manage the effort involved in lifting your finger occasionally to click, I'd hate to see what happened when you have to actually TYPE something.I'm sort of lukewarm to the whole mighty mouse concept myself, but I can't see this as a serious objection to it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30202896</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30203418</id>
	<title>I sold my magic mouse :O</title>
	<author>dindi</author>
	<datestamp>1258999320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So here is the deal: I ordered a Magic mouse and after an hour of use I put it back in the packaging and sold it to a colleague.</p><p>Why ?</p><p>The idea is great, the functions are not. Not being able to pinch, rotate and zoom without a key is one (stupid) thing, considering that the mouse can track 4 fingers.</p><p>Accidental actions (scroll mostly) is annoying. A button or ball moves when you move it, this thing tracks every touch, that annoyed me to hell.</p><p>Having no 3rd button however is an absolute deal breaker. I would live with a 3-finger touch, or 2 finger tap, but the lack of buttons just made me pack it and sell it.</p><p>And do not get me wrong, I use the Mightly mouse and several Logi trackballs and only Mac aluminium keyboards (except on my Macbook)...</p><p>I think the hardware is awesome but the drivers absolutely SUCK!</p><p>Just my 2c.</p><p>ps:  the optical touch tracking looks interesting on the videos... maybe I would try that next...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.or just stay with my logis.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So here is the deal : I ordered a Magic mouse and after an hour of use I put it back in the packaging and sold it to a colleague.Why ? The idea is great , the functions are not .
Not being able to pinch , rotate and zoom without a key is one ( stupid ) thing , considering that the mouse can track 4 fingers.Accidental actions ( scroll mostly ) is annoying .
A button or ball moves when you move it , this thing tracks every touch , that annoyed me to hell.Having no 3rd button however is an absolute deal breaker .
I would live with a 3-finger touch , or 2 finger tap , but the lack of buttons just made me pack it and sell it.And do not get me wrong , I use the Mightly mouse and several Logi trackballs and only Mac aluminium keyboards ( except on my Macbook ) ...I think the hardware is awesome but the drivers absolutely SUCK ! Just my 2c.ps : the optical touch tracking looks interesting on the videos... maybe I would try that next... .or just stay with my logis .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So here is the deal: I ordered a Magic mouse and after an hour of use I put it back in the packaging and sold it to a colleague.Why ?The idea is great, the functions are not.
Not being able to pinch, rotate and zoom without a key is one (stupid) thing, considering that the mouse can track 4 fingers.Accidental actions (scroll mostly) is annoying.
A button or ball moves when you move it, this thing tracks every touch, that annoyed me to hell.Having no 3rd button however is an absolute deal breaker.
I would live with a 3-finger touch, or 2 finger tap, but the lack of buttons just made me pack it and sell it.And do not get me wrong, I use the Mightly mouse and several Logi trackballs and only Mac aluminium keyboards (except on my Macbook)...I think the hardware is awesome but the drivers absolutely SUCK!Just my 2c.ps:  the optical touch tracking looks interesting on the videos... maybe I would try that next... .or just stay with my logis.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30204242</id>
	<title>Re:Lifting fingers...</title>
	<author>kryptKnight</author>
	<datestamp>1259004000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>With these new mice, when I want to click I have to lift my finger up from the surface of the mouse and then press down (if the video in the article is indicative of how it functions). I think constantly lifting my finger would become tiring.</p></div><p>How is it that you manage to type if you can't bear the strain of lifting your fingers off the home row?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>With these new mice , when I want to click I have to lift my finger up from the surface of the mouse and then press down ( if the video in the article is indicative of how it functions ) .
I think constantly lifting my finger would become tiring.How is it that you manage to type if you ca n't bear the strain of lifting your fingers off the home row ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With these new mice, when I want to click I have to lift my finger up from the surface of the mouse and then press down (if the video in the article is indicative of how it functions).
I think constantly lifting my finger would become tiring.How is it that you manage to type if you can't bear the strain of lifting your fingers off the home row?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30202896</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30205146</id>
	<title>Re:How to prevent finger movement = mouse movement</title>
	<author>ThrowAwaySociety</author>
	<datestamp>1259009220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The title of this comment should be "How do these mice prevent finger movement from causing mouse movement", but due to the limits<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. places on comment titles....</p><p>OK, so let us say I have the Mac Mouse, and I swipe my fingers over the surface to do a horizontal scroll of a document.<br>* How do I prevent my finger motion from moving the mouse itself, and thus the pointer of the mouse?<br>* Does the mouse have such a high coefficient of static friction that the CoF between my fingers and the shell * the force my fingers apply is too small to break the mouse loose?</p></div><p>For scrolling, it works the same way as any mouse with a physical scroll wheel. You steady the mouse with your thumb on one side, and your pinkie, ring, and (possibly) middle fingers on the other, and stroke with your index finger. You don't end up knocking your mouse around when you poke at the scroll wheel, do you?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>** Will I have to completely change my grip on the mouse to transition from mousing to swiping?</p></div><p>Well, the multi-finger back/forward gestures are a bit trickier, since your index and middle fingers moving together aren't as dextrous as your index finger alone. The "back" gesture is pretty simple--you lift your pinkie and ring fingers off, but leave your thumb to counter the force of the swipe--but the opposite "forward" gesture is darned near impossible for me. Luckily, you don't navigate forward  as often as you go back, but still.</p><p>The video on the Apple site helps.</p><p>Having played with one for a brief period:<br>- Normal tracking and clicking is no different from any other mouse<br>- Both X and Y scrolling is very natural and intuitive.<br>- The optional "scroll with momentum" is annoying and distracting to me, but might be familiar to iPhone users.<br>- Right clicking requires lifting your left finger. Easy enough to get used to, but not natural.<br>- Back and Forward gestures are cool, but would take some serious effort to get used to.<br>- The mouse is very low and flat.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The title of this comment should be " How do these mice prevent finger movement from causing mouse movement " , but due to the limits / .
places on comment titles....OK , so let us say I have the Mac Mouse , and I swipe my fingers over the surface to do a horizontal scroll of a document .
* How do I prevent my finger motion from moving the mouse itself , and thus the pointer of the mouse ?
* Does the mouse have such a high coefficient of static friction that the CoF between my fingers and the shell * the force my fingers apply is too small to break the mouse loose ? For scrolling , it works the same way as any mouse with a physical scroll wheel .
You steady the mouse with your thumb on one side , and your pinkie , ring , and ( possibly ) middle fingers on the other , and stroke with your index finger .
You do n't end up knocking your mouse around when you poke at the scroll wheel , do you ?
* * Will I have to completely change my grip on the mouse to transition from mousing to swiping ? Well , the multi-finger back/forward gestures are a bit trickier , since your index and middle fingers moving together are n't as dextrous as your index finger alone .
The " back " gesture is pretty simple--you lift your pinkie and ring fingers off , but leave your thumb to counter the force of the swipe--but the opposite " forward " gesture is darned near impossible for me .
Luckily , you do n't navigate forward as often as you go back , but still.The video on the Apple site helps.Having played with one for a brief period : - Normal tracking and clicking is no different from any other mouse- Both X and Y scrolling is very natural and intuitive.- The optional " scroll with momentum " is annoying and distracting to me , but might be familiar to iPhone users.- Right clicking requires lifting your left finger .
Easy enough to get used to , but not natural.- Back and Forward gestures are cool , but would take some serious effort to get used to.- The mouse is very low and flat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The title of this comment should be "How do these mice prevent finger movement from causing mouse movement", but due to the limits /.
places on comment titles....OK, so let us say I have the Mac Mouse, and I swipe my fingers over the surface to do a horizontal scroll of a document.
* How do I prevent my finger motion from moving the mouse itself, and thus the pointer of the mouse?
* Does the mouse have such a high coefficient of static friction that the CoF between my fingers and the shell * the force my fingers apply is too small to break the mouse loose?For scrolling, it works the same way as any mouse with a physical scroll wheel.
You steady the mouse with your thumb on one side, and your pinkie, ring, and (possibly) middle fingers on the other, and stroke with your index finger.
You don't end up knocking your mouse around when you poke at the scroll wheel, do you?
** Will I have to completely change my grip on the mouse to transition from mousing to swiping?Well, the multi-finger back/forward gestures are a bit trickier, since your index and middle fingers moving together aren't as dextrous as your index finger alone.
The "back" gesture is pretty simple--you lift your pinkie and ring fingers off, but leave your thumb to counter the force of the swipe--but the opposite "forward" gesture is darned near impossible for me.
Luckily, you don't navigate forward  as often as you go back, but still.The video on the Apple site helps.Having played with one for a brief period:- Normal tracking and clicking is no different from any other mouse- Both X and Y scrolling is very natural and intuitive.- The optional "scroll with momentum" is annoying and distracting to me, but might be familiar to iPhone users.- Right clicking requires lifting your left finger.
Easy enough to get used to, but not natural.- Back and Forward gestures are cool, but would take some serious effort to get used to.- The mouse is very low and flat.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30203186</id>
	<title>Re:Lifting fingers...</title>
	<author>whisper\_jeff</author>
	<datestamp>1258998180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I think constantly lifting my finger would become tiring.</p></div><p>  
Seriously? Wow. And I thought I was in bad shape...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think constantly lifting my finger would become tiring .
Seriously ? Wow .
And I thought I was in bad shape.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think constantly lifting my finger would become tiring.
Seriously? Wow.
And I thought I was in bad shape...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30202896</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30217338</id>
	<title>Whats the big deal?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259094300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I heard all of the negative reviews about the Magic Mouse and was weary to buy it, but after using it for a week I love it.  I think it is an upgrade over the might mouse cause it eliminates the dirty scroll ball issue.  I haven't had accidental gesture problems and i's very slick.  It is a little pricey, that would be the only negative thing I can say.  Other than that I love it!  I think people expect everything apple puts out to be revolutionary and sometimes thats not the case.  It is just a mouse,,,, therefore, for the life of me I cant figure out whats the big deal?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I heard all of the negative reviews about the Magic Mouse and was weary to buy it , but after using it for a week I love it .
I think it is an upgrade over the might mouse cause it eliminates the dirty scroll ball issue .
I have n't had accidental gesture problems and i 's very slick .
It is a little pricey , that would be the only negative thing I can say .
Other than that I love it !
I think people expect everything apple puts out to be revolutionary and sometimes thats not the case .
It is just a mouse,,, , therefore , for the life of me I cant figure out whats the big deal ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I heard all of the negative reviews about the Magic Mouse and was weary to buy it, but after using it for a week I love it.
I think it is an upgrade over the might mouse cause it eliminates the dirty scroll ball issue.
I haven't had accidental gesture problems and i's very slick.
It is a little pricey, that would be the only negative thing I can say.
Other than that I love it!
I think people expect everything apple puts out to be revolutionary and sometimes thats not the case.
It is just a mouse,,,, therefore, for the life of me I cant figure out whats the big deal?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30214366</id>
	<title>mickey mouse</title>
	<author>inline\_four</author>
	<datestamp>1259080980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Anyone else find that "Arty" MS mouse should really go by the name Mickey mouse?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone else find that " Arty " MS mouse should really go by the name Mickey mouse ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone else find that "Arty" MS mouse should really go by the name Mickey mouse?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30227746</id>
	<title>Re:Lifting fingers...</title>
	<author>konohitowa</author>
	<datestamp>1257186240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I think constantly lifting my finger would become tiring.</p></div></blockquote><p>Do enough of that and you could work your way up to lifting multiple fingers. Perhaps, one day, even your entire hand.</p><p>Don't be afraid -- it's a process.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think constantly lifting my finger would become tiring.Do enough of that and you could work your way up to lifting multiple fingers .
Perhaps , one day , even your entire hand.Do n't be afraid -- it 's a process .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think constantly lifting my finger would become tiring.Do enough of that and you could work your way up to lifting multiple fingers.
Perhaps, one day, even your entire hand.Don't be afraid -- it's a process.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30204208</id>
	<title>Carpal Tunnel waiting to happen</title>
	<author>Theovon</author>
	<datestamp>1259003760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have some carpal tunnel problems.  I also like to play Age of Empires which is almost unusable without a right mouse button.  I've tried it before with Apple wired and wireless mice, and it's just painful.  To right click, you have to lift your index finger so that it senses that the click is from the right side; otherwise, it registers a left click.</p><p>I can't imagine these multitouch mice being a whole lot better.  If you have carpal tunnel problems, you might want to stay away.  If you don't, be careful, because you might sustain a repetitive strain injury.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have some carpal tunnel problems .
I also like to play Age of Empires which is almost unusable without a right mouse button .
I 've tried it before with Apple wired and wireless mice , and it 's just painful .
To right click , you have to lift your index finger so that it senses that the click is from the right side ; otherwise , it registers a left click.I ca n't imagine these multitouch mice being a whole lot better .
If you have carpal tunnel problems , you might want to stay away .
If you do n't , be careful , because you might sustain a repetitive strain injury .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have some carpal tunnel problems.
I also like to play Age of Empires which is almost unusable without a right mouse button.
I've tried it before with Apple wired and wireless mice, and it's just painful.
To right click, you have to lift your index finger so that it senses that the click is from the right side; otherwise, it registers a left click.I can't imagine these multitouch mice being a whole lot better.
If you have carpal tunnel problems, you might want to stay away.
If you don't, be careful, because you might sustain a repetitive strain injury.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30204972</id>
	<title>Re:</title>
	<author>clint999</author>
	<datestamp>1259008200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Us old folk might think "tech-savvy" is a bit generous for you iPhone-using youngsters.</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Us old folk might think " tech-savvy " is a bit generous for you iPhone-using youngsters .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Us old folk might think "tech-savvy" is a bit generous for you iPhone-using youngsters.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30208054</id>
	<title>Re:</title>
	<author>clint999</author>
	<datestamp>1258979400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Maybe you've got some sort magic, GPS-enabled muscle memory, but most of us can't reliably re-position our hands over a particular position without some sort of reference</p> </div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe you 've got some sort magic , GPS-enabled muscle memory , but most of us ca n't reliably re-position our hands over a particular position without some sort of reference</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe you've got some sort magic, GPS-enabled muscle memory, but most of us can't reliably re-position our hands over a particular position without some sort of reference 
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30204666</id>
	<title>Re:Lifting fingers...</title>
	<author>Brackney</author>
	<datestamp>1259006280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's not actually the case w/ the Magic Mouse.  It does have an internal button that is used in conjunction with the touch surface to determine if a click is on the left or right.  That said, I'm frustrated that the device can't (currently) detect a simultaneous left/right click.  There's no good reason why it can't do this - the software just hasn't been written to enable the functionality.  Hopefully that will come in a near-term update, as it's the only thing I really dislike about the mouse.  The momentum-based scrolling mechanism is fabulous though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's not actually the case w/ the Magic Mouse .
It does have an internal button that is used in conjunction with the touch surface to determine if a click is on the left or right .
That said , I 'm frustrated that the device ca n't ( currently ) detect a simultaneous left/right click .
There 's no good reason why it ca n't do this - the software just has n't been written to enable the functionality .
Hopefully that will come in a near-term update , as it 's the only thing I really dislike about the mouse .
The momentum-based scrolling mechanism is fabulous though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's not actually the case w/ the Magic Mouse.
It does have an internal button that is used in conjunction with the touch surface to determine if a click is on the left or right.
That said, I'm frustrated that the device can't (currently) detect a simultaneous left/right click.
There's no good reason why it can't do this - the software just hasn't been written to enable the functionality.
Hopefully that will come in a near-term update, as it's the only thing I really dislike about the mouse.
The momentum-based scrolling mechanism is fabulous though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30203288</id>
	<title>An issue with the story</title>
	<author>sean.peters</author>
	<datestamp>1258998540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From TFA:</p><blockquote><div><p>This is arguably the first substantial improvement to the mouse since it was invented in 1968 by Doug Englebart.</p></div> </blockquote><p>Ok, can't agree with this one. Since then we've added the scroll wheel, which was a huge improvement in mouse technology. If you don't believe me, try going back to a plain two-button mouse, and then work with a document bigger than your screen. You used to spend your life moving back and forth between the scroll bar and the text. We've also, for the most part, done away with crappy ball mice in favor of the light tracking ones, which eliminated the sticky mouse problem.</p><p>Multi-touch may turn out to be a big deal, but it's certainly a stretch to say that mice haven't improved substantially since '68.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA : This is arguably the first substantial improvement to the mouse since it was invented in 1968 by Doug Englebart .
Ok , ca n't agree with this one .
Since then we 've added the scroll wheel , which was a huge improvement in mouse technology .
If you do n't believe me , try going back to a plain two-button mouse , and then work with a document bigger than your screen .
You used to spend your life moving back and forth between the scroll bar and the text .
We 've also , for the most part , done away with crappy ball mice in favor of the light tracking ones , which eliminated the sticky mouse problem.Multi-touch may turn out to be a big deal , but it 's certainly a stretch to say that mice have n't improved substantially since '68 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA:This is arguably the first substantial improvement to the mouse since it was invented in 1968 by Doug Englebart.
Ok, can't agree with this one.
Since then we've added the scroll wheel, which was a huge improvement in mouse technology.
If you don't believe me, try going back to a plain two-button mouse, and then work with a document bigger than your screen.
You used to spend your life moving back and forth between the scroll bar and the text.
We've also, for the most part, done away with crappy ball mice in favor of the light tracking ones, which eliminated the sticky mouse problem.Multi-touch may turn out to be a big deal, but it's certainly a stretch to say that mice haven't improved substantially since '68.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30207060</id>
	<title>ooops</title>
	<author>pbjones</author>
	<datestamp>1258975380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>wake me up when something from MS appear on the shelf. I use non apple mice all of the time, but running an article that compares a real mass produced mouse against a series of design exercises is a bit silly, verging on dishonest.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>wake me up when something from MS appear on the shelf .
I use non apple mice all of the time , but running an article that compares a real mass produced mouse against a series of design exercises is a bit silly , verging on dishonest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>wake me up when something from MS appear on the shelf.
I use non apple mice all of the time, but running an article that compares a real mass produced mouse against a series of design exercises is a bit silly, verging on dishonest.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30203134</id>
	<title>Re:Lifting fingers...</title>
	<author>DontBlameCanada</author>
	<datestamp>1258997940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I think constantly lifting my finger would become tiring.</p></div><p>Someone definitely needs to get more physical exercise, me thinks.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think constantly lifting my finger would become tiring.Someone definitely needs to get more physical exercise , me thinks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think constantly lifting my finger would become tiring.Someone definitely needs to get more physical exercise, me thinks.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30209872</id>
	<title>Re:I sold my magic mouse :O</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258993980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I think the hardware is awesome but the drivers absolutely SUCK!</p><p>Just my 2c.</p></div><p>The driver Apple provides sucks, but that's why a third party developer is writing <a href="http://blog.boastr.net/" title="boastr.net" rel="nofollow">their own driver</a> [boastr.net].</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the hardware is awesome but the drivers absolutely SUCK ! Just my 2c.The driver Apple provides sucks , but that 's why a third party developer is writing their own driver [ boastr.net ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the hardware is awesome but the drivers absolutely SUCK!Just my 2c.The driver Apple provides sucks, but that's why a third party developer is writing their own driver [boastr.net].
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30203418</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30202902</id>
	<title>Re:Touch screens and the like</title>
	<author>BrokenHalo</author>
	<datestamp>1258996560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>The dirt issue seems much worse with normal scroll mice.</i> <br> <br>
So far, I've been pretty lucky with my <a href="http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice\_pointers/trackballs/devices/159&amp;cl=us,en" title="logitech.com" rel="nofollow">Logitech cordless Trackman Wheel</a> [logitech.com] regardless of my alimentary habits. That product gets an endorsement from me: it seems to be impossible to break.<br> <br>
However, I do like the look of the FTIR mouse (the last mentioned in TFA). The Microsoft Surface thingy looks kind of neat in its native form, but it would get old quickly with a screen covered in greasy fingerprints. This mouse option looks like it might be a cooler alternative. I hope nobody has thought to patent it yet...</htmltext>
<tokenext>The dirt issue seems much worse with normal scroll mice .
So far , I 've been pretty lucky with my Logitech cordless Trackman Wheel [ logitech.com ] regardless of my alimentary habits .
That product gets an endorsement from me : it seems to be impossible to break .
However , I do like the look of the FTIR mouse ( the last mentioned in TFA ) .
The Microsoft Surface thingy looks kind of neat in its native form , but it would get old quickly with a screen covered in greasy fingerprints .
This mouse option looks like it might be a cooler alternative .
I hope nobody has thought to patent it yet.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The dirt issue seems much worse with normal scroll mice.
So far, I've been pretty lucky with my Logitech cordless Trackman Wheel [logitech.com] regardless of my alimentary habits.
That product gets an endorsement from me: it seems to be impossible to break.
However, I do like the look of the FTIR mouse (the last mentioned in TFA).
The Microsoft Surface thingy looks kind of neat in its native form, but it would get old quickly with a screen covered in greasy fingerprints.
This mouse option looks like it might be a cooler alternative.
I hope nobody has thought to patent it yet...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30203596</id>
	<title>Re:How to prevent finger movement = mouse movement</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259000340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>* How do I prevent my finger motion from moving the mouse itself, and thus the pointer of the mouse?)<br>* Does the mouse have such a high coefficient of static friction that the CoF between my fingers and the shell * the force my fingers apply is too small to break the mouse loose?</p><p>Yes, that seems to be the case.  I find I'm actually still holding the mouse when i you my index or middle finger to scroll, so the mouse really doesn't move.  However, even just dragging my finger over the top the move without holding it doesn't cause the base to move.</p><p>* What does that imply about normal mouse usage?<br>** Will I lose the ability to move the mouse by small amounts due to the stiction?</p><p>Apparently not.  There seems to be very little friction on the top-surface.</p><p>** Will I have to completely change my grip on the mouse to transition from mousing to swiping?</p><p>Probably depends on your grip, but my guess is no.</p><p>I did find i had to adjust my grip a bit for better ergonomicis.  With my old mouse, I it further back.  The magic mouse I tend to have my hand so my fingers are almost all the way at the top, and i don't end up apply much/any pressure on the sides.   But I also had to raise my mouse surface, since the magic mouse is very thin, and my wrists were up too high, causing me some discomfort.</p><p>I find it a very comfortable &amp; functional setup, but best is to try one  if you can find a place that has a new imac on display.  I was skeptical how well it would work, but impressed enough I have one at work &amp; one at home.</p><p>Main downsides:<br>- can't separate right &amp; left click (problem in some windows games)<br>- no middle button (had to map option-click to middle for my X11 apps)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>* How do I prevent my finger motion from moving the mouse itself , and thus the pointer of the mouse ?
) * Does the mouse have such a high coefficient of static friction that the CoF between my fingers and the shell * the force my fingers apply is too small to break the mouse loose ? Yes , that seems to be the case .
I find I 'm actually still holding the mouse when i you my index or middle finger to scroll , so the mouse really does n't move .
However , even just dragging my finger over the top the move without holding it does n't cause the base to move .
* What does that imply about normal mouse usage ?
* * Will I lose the ability to move the mouse by small amounts due to the stiction ? Apparently not .
There seems to be very little friction on the top-surface .
* * Will I have to completely change my grip on the mouse to transition from mousing to swiping ? Probably depends on your grip , but my guess is no.I did find i had to adjust my grip a bit for better ergonomicis .
With my old mouse , I it further back .
The magic mouse I tend to have my hand so my fingers are almost all the way at the top , and i do n't end up apply much/any pressure on the sides .
But I also had to raise my mouse surface , since the magic mouse is very thin , and my wrists were up too high , causing me some discomfort.I find it a very comfortable &amp; functional setup , but best is to try one if you can find a place that has a new imac on display .
I was skeptical how well it would work , but impressed enough I have one at work &amp; one at home.Main downsides : - ca n't separate right &amp; left click ( problem in some windows games ) - no middle button ( had to map option-click to middle for my X11 apps )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>* How do I prevent my finger motion from moving the mouse itself, and thus the pointer of the mouse?
)* Does the mouse have such a high coefficient of static friction that the CoF between my fingers and the shell * the force my fingers apply is too small to break the mouse loose?Yes, that seems to be the case.
I find I'm actually still holding the mouse when i you my index or middle finger to scroll, so the mouse really doesn't move.
However, even just dragging my finger over the top the move without holding it doesn't cause the base to move.
* What does that imply about normal mouse usage?
** Will I lose the ability to move the mouse by small amounts due to the stiction?Apparently not.
There seems to be very little friction on the top-surface.
** Will I have to completely change my grip on the mouse to transition from mousing to swiping?Probably depends on your grip, but my guess is no.I did find i had to adjust my grip a bit for better ergonomicis.
With my old mouse, I it further back.
The magic mouse I tend to have my hand so my fingers are almost all the way at the top, and i don't end up apply much/any pressure on the sides.
But I also had to raise my mouse surface, since the magic mouse is very thin, and my wrists were up too high, causing me some discomfort.I find it a very comfortable &amp; functional setup, but best is to try one  if you can find a place that has a new imac on display.
I was skeptical how well it would work, but impressed enough I have one at work &amp; one at home.Main downsides:- can't separate right &amp; left click (problem in some windows games)- no middle button (had to map option-click to middle for my X11 apps)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30202984</id>
	<title>Real product vs. lab prototypes comparison</title>
	<author>Yvan256</author>
	<datestamp>1258997100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Should have been the title.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Should have been the title .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Should have been the title.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30203498</id>
	<title>Re:Lifting fingers...</title>
	<author>LynnwoodRooster</author>
	<datestamp>1258999740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not just you, it <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George\_Jetson" title="wikipedia.org">tires out George Jetson</a> [wikipedia.org] as well!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not just you , it tires out George Jetson [ wikipedia.org ] as well !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not just you, it tires out George Jetson [wikipedia.org] as well!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30203964</id>
	<title>What the...?</title>
	<author>93 Escort Wagon</author>
	<datestamp>1259002380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How do you compare an actual shipping product with what amounts to conceptualizations a person can't even get their hands on unless they happen to work for Microsoft Research (and even then they're not fully functional mice)?</p><p>This is just unbelievably silly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How do you compare an actual shipping product with what amounts to conceptualizations a person ca n't even get their hands on unless they happen to work for Microsoft Research ( and even then they 're not fully functional mice ) ? This is just unbelievably silly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How do you compare an actual shipping product with what amounts to conceptualizations a person can't even get their hands on unless they happen to work for Microsoft Research (and even then they're not fully functional mice)?This is just unbelievably silly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30205246</id>
	<title>Re:How to prevent finger movement = mouse movement</title>
	<author>Sandbags</author>
	<datestamp>1259009820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Try it out...  Go to an Apple Store (or a BestBuy) and try one.</p><p>The static friction breaks easy when you are holding the mouse in a appropriate way, and fine movement is easy, but it holds its place well when you swipe.  2 finger swipes are done without letting go, so they're a non-issue.  other swipes, where you remove your hand, require a very light touch.  Initially, you may move the mouse occasionally, but the software does a good job interpreting a swipe vs a movement and leaves the cursor stationary, and with a few trys, you'll realize the conact required for reaction is very slight, and easy to do without disrupting the mouse's position.  Even still, the static friction is enough the mouse rarely moves unless it's intended...</p><p>Since the mouse requires a physical left or right click, swipes are not interpreted as clicks.  The only thing I'm waiting for is a software update to enable the "third" click (double click) and I'll buy one myself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Try it out... Go to an Apple Store ( or a BestBuy ) and try one.The static friction breaks easy when you are holding the mouse in a appropriate way , and fine movement is easy , but it holds its place well when you swipe .
2 finger swipes are done without letting go , so they 're a non-issue .
other swipes , where you remove your hand , require a very light touch .
Initially , you may move the mouse occasionally , but the software does a good job interpreting a swipe vs a movement and leaves the cursor stationary , and with a few trys , you 'll realize the conact required for reaction is very slight , and easy to do without disrupting the mouse 's position .
Even still , the static friction is enough the mouse rarely moves unless it 's intended...Since the mouse requires a physical left or right click , swipes are not interpreted as clicks .
The only thing I 'm waiting for is a software update to enable the " third " click ( double click ) and I 'll buy one myself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try it out...  Go to an Apple Store (or a BestBuy) and try one.The static friction breaks easy when you are holding the mouse in a appropriate way, and fine movement is easy, but it holds its place well when you swipe.
2 finger swipes are done without letting go, so they're a non-issue.
other swipes, where you remove your hand, require a very light touch.
Initially, you may move the mouse occasionally, but the software does a good job interpreting a swipe vs a movement and leaves the cursor stationary, and with a few trys, you'll realize the conact required for reaction is very slight, and easy to do without disrupting the mouse's position.
Even still, the static friction is enough the mouse rarely moves unless it's intended...Since the mouse requires a physical left or right click, swipes are not interpreted as clicks.
The only thing I'm waiting for is a software update to enable the "third" click (double click) and I'll buy one myself.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30203640</id>
	<title>Re:Lifting fingers...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259000580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think what's really "Insightful" about @amaupin's post is that the poster might want to consider getting out for a walk and maybe even doing some pushups or some other exercise.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think what 's really " Insightful " about @ amaupin 's post is that the poster might want to consider getting out for a walk and maybe even doing some pushups or some other exercise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think what's really "Insightful" about @amaupin's post is that the poster might want to consider getting out for a walk and maybe even doing some pushups or some other exercise.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30202896</id>
	<title>Lifting fingers...</title>
	<author>amaupin</author>
	<datestamp>1258996560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So with my current mouse I can rest my finger on the mouse button, and press down when I want to click.</p><p>With these new mice, when I want to click I have to lift my finger up from the surface of the mouse and then press down (if the video in the article is indicative of how it functions).  I think constantly lifting my finger would become tiring.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So with my current mouse I can rest my finger on the mouse button , and press down when I want to click.With these new mice , when I want to click I have to lift my finger up from the surface of the mouse and then press down ( if the video in the article is indicative of how it functions ) .
I think constantly lifting my finger would become tiring .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So with my current mouse I can rest my finger on the mouse button, and press down when I want to click.With these new mice, when I want to click I have to lift my finger up from the surface of the mouse and then press down (if the video in the article is indicative of how it functions).
I think constantly lifting my finger would become tiring.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30204668</id>
	<title>Re:I sold my magic mouse :O</title>
	<author>vandemar</author>
	<datestamp>1259006280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Magic Mouse is physically capable of doing most of, if not all, the things you mentioned. It's just a matter of responding to the input from the driver side, which the default Apple driver does not. Perhaps there is some legal problem with patents that's holding it up?</p><p>But google for "BetterTouchTool". It's a freeware tool that lets you customize the mouse (and trackpad, if you have a laptop) to do all sorts of cool things. I have my mouse set up so that two-finger click is a middleclick, and three-finger click toggles expos&#233;. There's also stuff like multi-finger swipes, and tapping (as opposed to clicking). But not pinch or rotate yet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Magic Mouse is physically capable of doing most of , if not all , the things you mentioned .
It 's just a matter of responding to the input from the driver side , which the default Apple driver does not .
Perhaps there is some legal problem with patents that 's holding it up ? But google for " BetterTouchTool " .
It 's a freeware tool that lets you customize the mouse ( and trackpad , if you have a laptop ) to do all sorts of cool things .
I have my mouse set up so that two-finger click is a middleclick , and three-finger click toggles expos   .
There 's also stuff like multi-finger swipes , and tapping ( as opposed to clicking ) .
But not pinch or rotate yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Magic Mouse is physically capable of doing most of, if not all, the things you mentioned.
It's just a matter of responding to the input from the driver side, which the default Apple driver does not.
Perhaps there is some legal problem with patents that's holding it up?But google for "BetterTouchTool".
It's a freeware tool that lets you customize the mouse (and trackpad, if you have a laptop) to do all sorts of cool things.
I have my mouse set up so that two-finger click is a middleclick, and three-finger click toggles exposé.
There's also stuff like multi-finger swipes, and tapping (as opposed to clicking).
But not pinch or rotate yet.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30203604</id>
	<title>It's nice to see the Atari 400 and Timex/Sinclair</title>
	<author>ClosedSource</author>
	<datestamp>1259000340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>keyboard "touch" technology finally applied to the mouse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>keyboard " touch " technology finally applied to the mouse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>keyboard "touch" technology finally applied to the mouse.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30203190</id>
	<title>How to prevent finger movement = mouse movement?</title>
	<author>wowbagger</author>
	<datestamp>1258998180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The title of this comment should be "How do these mice prevent finger movement from causing mouse movement", but due to the limits<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. places on comment titles....</p><p>OK, so let us say I have the Mac Mouse, and I swipe my fingers over the surface to do a horizontal scroll of a document.<br>* How do I prevent my finger motion from moving the mouse itself, and thus the pointer of the mouse?<br>* Does the mouse have such a high coefficient of static friction that the CoF between my fingers and the shell * the force my fingers apply is too small to break the mouse loose?<br>* What does that imply about normal mouse usage?<br>** Will I lose the ability to move the mouse by small amounts due to the stiction?<br>** Will I have to completely change my grip on the mouse to transition from mousing to swiping?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The title of this comment should be " How do these mice prevent finger movement from causing mouse movement " , but due to the limits / .
places on comment titles....OK , so let us say I have the Mac Mouse , and I swipe my fingers over the surface to do a horizontal scroll of a document .
* How do I prevent my finger motion from moving the mouse itself , and thus the pointer of the mouse ?
* Does the mouse have such a high coefficient of static friction that the CoF between my fingers and the shell * the force my fingers apply is too small to break the mouse loose ?
* What does that imply about normal mouse usage ?
* * Will I lose the ability to move the mouse by small amounts due to the stiction ?
* * Will I have to completely change my grip on the mouse to transition from mousing to swiping ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The title of this comment should be "How do these mice prevent finger movement from causing mouse movement", but due to the limits /.
places on comment titles....OK, so let us say I have the Mac Mouse, and I swipe my fingers over the surface to do a horizontal scroll of a document.
* How do I prevent my finger motion from moving the mouse itself, and thus the pointer of the mouse?
* Does the mouse have such a high coefficient of static friction that the CoF between my fingers and the shell * the force my fingers apply is too small to break the mouse loose?
* What does that imply about normal mouse usage?
** Will I lose the ability to move the mouse by small amounts due to the stiction?
** Will I have to completely change my grip on the mouse to transition from mousing to swiping?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30202996</id>
	<title>Both Microsoft and Apple have introduced, eh?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258997160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Microsoft designs are all still prototypes.  I would say that one of the two companies have "introduced" a multi-touch mouse.  The other is currently researching a way to copy it (as always) and quite possibly playing with themselves.  This design makes it look like you are holding a <a href="http://scitedaily.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/orbmouse.jpg" title="wordpress.com">nutsack</a> [wordpress.com] <br> <br>

On the bright side, I have a magic mouse now and will say that it really is a whole new (awesome) experience.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Microsoft designs are all still prototypes .
I would say that one of the two companies have " introduced " a multi-touch mouse .
The other is currently researching a way to copy it ( as always ) and quite possibly playing with themselves .
This design makes it look like you are holding a nutsack [ wordpress.com ] On the bright side , I have a magic mouse now and will say that it really is a whole new ( awesome ) experience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Microsoft designs are all still prototypes.
I would say that one of the two companies have "introduced" a multi-touch mouse.
The other is currently researching a way to copy it (as always) and quite possibly playing with themselves.
This design makes it look like you are holding a nutsack [wordpress.com]  

On the bright side, I have a magic mouse now and will say that it really is a whole new (awesome) experience.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30228380</id>
	<title>Re:Lifting fingers...</title>
	<author>bjb</author>
	<datestamp>1257189180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>actually, you'll notice the problem more when you're playing games that do different actions based on left versus right click. For example, in an FPS where left fire is shoot and right click is change weapon, you HAVE to lift your fingers to change weapons.
<p>
Before you say, "well, you're just making sure that you really want to change weapons!", remember that sometimes you don't have the twitch response time to think about it.
</p><p>
I own a Mighty Mouse, but it is packed in the drawer and I use an older Microsoft-type Mouse when playing games and a Kensington track ball for everything else.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>actually , you 'll notice the problem more when you 're playing games that do different actions based on left versus right click .
For example , in an FPS where left fire is shoot and right click is change weapon , you HAVE to lift your fingers to change weapons .
Before you say , " well , you 're just making sure that you really want to change weapons !
" , remember that sometimes you do n't have the twitch response time to think about it .
I own a Mighty Mouse , but it is packed in the drawer and I use an older Microsoft-type Mouse when playing games and a Kensington track ball for everything else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>actually, you'll notice the problem more when you're playing games that do different actions based on left versus right click.
For example, in an FPS where left fire is shoot and right click is change weapon, you HAVE to lift your fingers to change weapons.
Before you say, "well, you're just making sure that you really want to change weapons!
", remember that sometimes you don't have the twitch response time to think about it.
I own a Mighty Mouse, but it is packed in the drawer and I use an older Microsoft-type Mouse when playing games and a Kensington track ball for everything else.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30203452</id>
	<title>Re:Touch screens and the like</title>
	<author>oldspewey</author>
	<datestamp>1258999440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Bacon remnants are fairly easy to wipe (or indeed, lick) off a smooth surface like a touch pad.</p></div><p>mentalimage.erase(slashdotposterwholicksbacon);</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Bacon remnants are fairly easy to wipe ( or indeed , lick ) off a smooth surface like a touch pad.mentalimage.erase ( slashdotposterwholicksbacon ) ;</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bacon remnants are fairly easy to wipe (or indeed, lick) off a smooth surface like a touch pad.mentalimage.erase(slashdotposterwholicksbacon);
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30204788</id>
	<title>Strafing in games</title>
	<author>Radical Moderate</author>
	<datestamp>1259007000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>From TFA <i>"Sliding your fingers sideways on the surface of the mouse causes you to strafe."</i> <br> <br>
OK, but what if by some wacky twist of fate you want to strafe and shoot at the same time?  Sure, you can use the Fire key on the keyboard, but what if you want to strafe, shoot, and--call me crazy-- aim your weapon at the same time?
<br> <br>
Some of the applications looked pretty cool, but I'll stick with a programmable 5-button mouse for FPS.</htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA " Sliding your fingers sideways on the surface of the mouse causes you to strafe .
" OK , but what if by some wacky twist of fate you want to strafe and shoot at the same time ?
Sure , you can use the Fire key on the keyboard , but what if you want to strafe , shoot , and--call me crazy-- aim your weapon at the same time ?
Some of the applications looked pretty cool , but I 'll stick with a programmable 5-button mouse for FPS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA "Sliding your fingers sideways on the surface of the mouse causes you to strafe.
"  
OK, but what if by some wacky twist of fate you want to strafe and shoot at the same time?
Sure, you can use the Fire key on the keyboard, but what if you want to strafe, shoot, and--call me crazy-- aim your weapon at the same time?
Some of the applications looked pretty cool, but I'll stick with a programmable 5-button mouse for FPS.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_23_155220.30202638</id>
	<title>Touch screens and the like</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258995180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Problem with this, like with many other touch screen like devices, is that you don't get physical feedback when you're clicking or scrolling or doing anything. There's a reason why you actually need to push the mouse button a little bit so it clicks. Not much, but it actually feels like a click. Keyboard presses need to be the same way too - you need the feedback.</p><p>Another example is the scroll in mouses. My Logitech MX Revolution mouse has both seamless and non-seamless mode that you can activate for different apps. Seamless mode was activated by default for IE and I had to take it off, because mouse scroll also needs to "tick" and feel back when you're scrolling. The Apple video shows that you can scroll faster by moving your finger rapidly - guess what, you can do that with a normal scroll too, just by rapidly firing the scroller to either direction (the logitech software actually releases the tick for a bit so it works even better)</p><p>Other thing to consider is how quickly the touch area gets dirty and less functional. I sometimes like to eat a great three story cheese bacon hamburger filled with majonese, chipotle ketchup and delicious cheese with deep fried french fries, topped with a cold beer and chocolate ice cream with strawberries and chocolate dipping. Lets face it, the touch area is going to get dirty. Will it function the same way after that and can you clean it as easily?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Problem with this , like with many other touch screen like devices , is that you do n't get physical feedback when you 're clicking or scrolling or doing anything .
There 's a reason why you actually need to push the mouse button a little bit so it clicks .
Not much , but it actually feels like a click .
Keyboard presses need to be the same way too - you need the feedback.Another example is the scroll in mouses .
My Logitech MX Revolution mouse has both seamless and non-seamless mode that you can activate for different apps .
Seamless mode was activated by default for IE and I had to take it off , because mouse scroll also needs to " tick " and feel back when you 're scrolling .
The Apple video shows that you can scroll faster by moving your finger rapidly - guess what , you can do that with a normal scroll too , just by rapidly firing the scroller to either direction ( the logitech software actually releases the tick for a bit so it works even better ) Other thing to consider is how quickly the touch area gets dirty and less functional .
I sometimes like to eat a great three story cheese bacon hamburger filled with majonese , chipotle ketchup and delicious cheese with deep fried french fries , topped with a cold beer and chocolate ice cream with strawberries and chocolate dipping .
Lets face it , the touch area is going to get dirty .
Will it function the same way after that and can you clean it as easily ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Problem with this, like with many other touch screen like devices, is that you don't get physical feedback when you're clicking or scrolling or doing anything.
There's a reason why you actually need to push the mouse button a little bit so it clicks.
Not much, but it actually feels like a click.
Keyboard presses need to be the same way too - you need the feedback.Another example is the scroll in mouses.
My Logitech MX Revolution mouse has both seamless and non-seamless mode that you can activate for different apps.
Seamless mode was activated by default for IE and I had to take it off, because mouse scroll also needs to "tick" and feel back when you're scrolling.
The Apple video shows that you can scroll faster by moving your finger rapidly - guess what, you can do that with a normal scroll too, just by rapidly firing the scroller to either direction (the logitech software actually releases the tick for a bit so it works even better)Other thing to consider is how quickly the touch area gets dirty and less functional.
I sometimes like to eat a great three story cheese bacon hamburger filled with majonese, chipotle ketchup and delicious cheese with deep fried french fries, topped with a cold beer and chocolate ice cream with strawberries and chocolate dipping.
Lets face it, the touch area is going to get dirty.
Will it function the same way after that and can you clean it as easily?</sentencetext>
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