<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_21_2023200</id>
	<title>First Malicious iPhone Worm In the Wild</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1258792620000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"After the ikee worm that <a href="//apple.slashdot.org/story/09/11/08/1411259/First-iPhone-Worm-Discovered-Rickrolls-Jailbroken-Phones">displayed a picture of Rick Astley on jailbroken iPhones</a>, the <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&amp;prev=\_t&amp;hl=en&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;u=http\%3A\%2F\%2Fwww.security.nl\%2Fartikel\%2F31542&amp;sl=nl&amp;tl=en">first malicious iPhone worm</a> (Google translation; <a href="http://www.security.nl/artikel/31542">original, in Dutch</a>) has now been discovered in the wild. Internet provider <a href="http://www.xs4all.nl/veiligheid/security.php">XS4ALL in the Netherlands encountered several of such devices</a> (link in Dutch) on the wireless networks of their customers and put out a warning.  After obtaining a copy of the malware it was discovered that the jailbroken phones, which are exploited through openSSH with a default password, scan IP ranges of mobile internet providers for other vulnerable iPhones, phone home to a C&amp;C botnet server, are able to update themselves with additional malware and have the ability to dump the SMS database as well. Owners of a jailbroken iPhone with a default root password are advised to flash to the latest Apple firmware in order to ensure no malware is present."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " After the ikee worm that displayed a picture of Rick Astley on jailbroken iPhones , the first malicious iPhone worm ( Google translation ; original , in Dutch ) has now been discovered in the wild .
Internet provider XS4ALL in the Netherlands encountered several of such devices ( link in Dutch ) on the wireless networks of their customers and put out a warning .
After obtaining a copy of the malware it was discovered that the jailbroken phones , which are exploited through openSSH with a default password , scan IP ranges of mobile internet providers for other vulnerable iPhones , phone home to a C&amp;C botnet server , are able to update themselves with additional malware and have the ability to dump the SMS database as well .
Owners of a jailbroken iPhone with a default root password are advised to flash to the latest Apple firmware in order to ensure no malware is present .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "After the ikee worm that displayed a picture of Rick Astley on jailbroken iPhones, the first malicious iPhone worm (Google translation; original, in Dutch) has now been discovered in the wild.
Internet provider XS4ALL in the Netherlands encountered several of such devices (link in Dutch) on the wireless networks of their customers and put out a warning.
After obtaining a copy of the malware it was discovered that the jailbroken phones, which are exploited through openSSH with a default password, scan IP ranges of mobile internet providers for other vulnerable iPhones, phone home to a C&amp;C botnet server, are able to update themselves with additional malware and have the ability to dump the SMS database as well.
Owners of a jailbroken iPhone with a default root password are advised to flash to the latest Apple firmware in order to ensure no malware is present.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30194880</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second?</title>
	<author>Rexdude</author>
	<datestamp>1258916280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can do everything listed by the GP and then lots more, with my Nokia N82, without having to hack it or change the firmware.<br>So can users of Sony Ericson, HTC, Samsung, Motorola..in short users of any smartphone other than the hallowed iPhone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can do everything listed by the GP and then lots more , with my Nokia N82 , without having to hack it or change the firmware.So can users of Sony Ericson , HTC , Samsung , Motorola..in short users of any smartphone other than the hallowed iPhone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can do everything listed by the GP and then lots more, with my Nokia N82, without having to hack it or change the firmware.So can users of Sony Ericson, HTC, Samsung, Motorola..in short users of any smartphone other than the hallowed iPhone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30187750</id>
	<title>Re:ROFL</title>
	<author>riff420</author>
	<datestamp>1258797480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Your analogy is only accurate if the user is a racist who thinks they aren't.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your analogy is only accurate if the user is a racist who thinks they are n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your analogy is only accurate if the user is a racist who thinks they aren't.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30190432</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second?</title>
	<author>CliffH</author>
	<datestamp>1258817880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>To answer your questions:<p>1. Depending on where you are in the world, yes or no. In NZ, yes, you can use whatever network you wish
</p><p>2. I didn't know Skype wasn't allowed! I have Skype on my non-jailbroken phone. I picked it up on the App Store for free. To get to your point though, no, you cannot use the other app stores around which is a serious shame
</p><p>3. I play MP3s all the time. No DRM.
<br>
If it is a 3G or a 3GS at firmware 3.1.2 then yes, you can jailbreak pretty damn easily. You can just as easily put it back in jail if you like.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To answer your questions : 1 .
Depending on where you are in the world , yes or no .
In NZ , yes , you can use whatever network you wish 2 .
I did n't know Skype was n't allowed !
I have Skype on my non-jailbroken phone .
I picked it up on the App Store for free .
To get to your point though , no , you can not use the other app stores around which is a serious shame 3 .
I play MP3s all the time .
No DRM .
If it is a 3G or a 3GS at firmware 3.1.2 then yes , you can jailbreak pretty damn easily .
You can just as easily put it back in jail if you like .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To answer your questions:1.
Depending on where you are in the world, yes or no.
In NZ, yes, you can use whatever network you wish
2.
I didn't know Skype wasn't allowed!
I have Skype on my non-jailbroken phone.
I picked it up on the App Store for free.
To get to your point though, no, you cannot use the other app stores around which is a serious shame
3.
I play MP3s all the time.
No DRM.
If it is a 3G or a 3GS at firmware 3.1.2 then yes, you can jailbreak pretty damn easily.
You can just as easily put it back in jail if you like.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30189862</id>
	<title>Re:As the saying goes.</title>
	<author>lorenlal</author>
	<datestamp>1258813140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well... yea.  Although I might amend it to IEBKAC - Ignorance Exists Between Keyboard and Chair.</p><p>I mean, they knew enough to jailbreak their iPhone, and installed SSH, and didn't set a proper root password...  The best part is that they even got a wake up call in the form of the Astley worm... Speaking of which... I consider seeing Rick as an iPhone background fairly malicious, so I'll correct the summary.</p><p>(j/k Rick, thank you for having a good sense of humor about all this.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well... yea. Although I might amend it to IEBKAC - Ignorance Exists Between Keyboard and Chair.I mean , they knew enough to jailbreak their iPhone , and installed SSH , and did n't set a proper root password... The best part is that they even got a wake up call in the form of the Astley worm... Speaking of which... I consider seeing Rick as an iPhone background fairly malicious , so I 'll correct the summary .
( j/k Rick , thank you for having a good sense of humor about all this .
: D )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well... yea.  Although I might amend it to IEBKAC - Ignorance Exists Between Keyboard and Chair.I mean, they knew enough to jailbreak their iPhone, and installed SSH, and didn't set a proper root password...  The best part is that they even got a wake up call in the form of the Astley worm... Speaking of which... I consider seeing Rick as an iPhone background fairly malicious, so I'll correct the summary.
(j/k Rick, thank you for having a good sense of humor about all this.
:D)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30191878</id>
	<title>Re:What, a worm on a platform with no market share</title>
	<author>ubernostrum</author>
	<datestamp>1258881360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> <i>Doesn't this (finally) put to bed the notion that there are virtually no worms or viruses for Mac OS X simply because hackers don't want to waste their time on a platform with so little market share? </i> </p></div> </blockquote><p>Well, my personal opinion is that OS X doesn't get as much malware because its security model is better then Windows' in at least one crucial way: it has the Unix concept of the executable bit, which turns the system from "default allow" to "default deny" and so locks out a huge number of traditional Windows vectors (the auto-executing email attachment, the auto-executing drive-by download, the auto-executing IM attachment, etc., etc.) in one fell swoop. As others have said, "default allow" <a href="http://www.ranum.com/security/computer\_security/editorials/dumb/" title="ranum.com">is the dumbest idea in the history of computer security</a> [ranum.com].</p><p>But as for people putting in their time, well, I don't know if you noticed but if you come up with a crack for something produced by Apple you'll end up with 5.75x10^600 pageviews from the resulting press coverage (see: pwn2own, which has basically become a luck of the draw contest -- if you get to go first, you win because you're sitting on a canned exploit you kept secret solely for the contest). And certain types of people love that sort of attention.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does n't this ( finally ) put to bed the notion that there are virtually no worms or viruses for Mac OS X simply because hackers do n't want to waste their time on a platform with so little market share ?
Well , my personal opinion is that OS X does n't get as much malware because its security model is better then Windows ' in at least one crucial way : it has the Unix concept of the executable bit , which turns the system from " default allow " to " default deny " and so locks out a huge number of traditional Windows vectors ( the auto-executing email attachment , the auto-executing drive-by download , the auto-executing IM attachment , etc. , etc .
) in one fell swoop .
As others have said , " default allow " is the dumbest idea in the history of computer security [ ranum.com ] .But as for people putting in their time , well , I do n't know if you noticed but if you come up with a crack for something produced by Apple you 'll end up with 5.75x10 ^ 600 pageviews from the resulting press coverage ( see : pwn2own , which has basically become a luck of the draw contest -- if you get to go first , you win because you 're sitting on a canned exploit you kept secret solely for the contest ) .
And certain types of people love that sort of attention .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Doesn't this (finally) put to bed the notion that there are virtually no worms or viruses for Mac OS X simply because hackers don't want to waste their time on a platform with so little market share?
Well, my personal opinion is that OS X doesn't get as much malware because its security model is better then Windows' in at least one crucial way: it has the Unix concept of the executable bit, which turns the system from "default allow" to "default deny" and so locks out a huge number of traditional Windows vectors (the auto-executing email attachment, the auto-executing drive-by download, the auto-executing IM attachment, etc., etc.
) in one fell swoop.
As others have said, "default allow" is the dumbest idea in the history of computer security [ranum.com].But as for people putting in their time, well, I don't know if you noticed but if you come up with a crack for something produced by Apple you'll end up with 5.75x10^600 pageviews from the resulting press coverage (see: pwn2own, which has basically become a luck of the draw contest -- if you get to go first, you win because you're sitting on a canned exploit you kept secret solely for the contest).
And certain types of people love that sort of attention.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30191420</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258830960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>black rain</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>black rain</tokentext>
<sentencetext>black rain</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30187966</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258798860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes the current firmware can be jail broken and there fore the rest of your questions are answered:</p><p>Update -&gt; Jailbreak -&gt; Change password -&gt; Go about your normal routine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes the current firmware can be jail broken and there fore the rest of your questions are answered : Update - &gt; Jailbreak - &gt; Change password - &gt; Go about your normal routine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes the current firmware can be jail broken and there fore the rest of your questions are answered:Update -&gt; Jailbreak -&gt; Change password -&gt; Go about your normal routine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30188416</id>
	<title>SIM lock</title>
	<author>DrYak</author>
	<datestamp>1258802040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>1. Use the network of their choice</p></div><p>Good question !<br>Is the iPhone sold by AT&amp;T SIM-Locked ?<br>Or is only the iPhone OS testing on which network it is connected ?</p><p>That's an important distinction :<br>- In the former case, the restriction of choice is done by the actual GSM/UTMS chip it self.<br>Enabling the user to run the software of his/her choice doesn't change a thing. To unlock the phone a special command has to be sent to the chip to allow it to use another SIM card with a different identification number.<br>- In the later case a jail breaked phone could simply be instructed to bypass the check.</p><p>As an exemple, Android "Google"-Phones may use SIM-lock (depending on the plan, etc.)<br>In which case you can install pretty much everything you want on the phone (specially with Android being open-source, etc.)<br>But you're still required to use the same SIM card - The GSM chip is linked to specific range of ISMI and will refuse de go only with others.</p><p>But I have no idea about iPhones.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Use the network of their choiceGood question ! Is the iPhone sold by AT&amp;T SIM-Locked ? Or is only the iPhone OS testing on which network it is connected ? That 's an important distinction : - In the former case , the restriction of choice is done by the actual GSM/UTMS chip it self.Enabling the user to run the software of his/her choice does n't change a thing .
To unlock the phone a special command has to be sent to the chip to allow it to use another SIM card with a different identification number.- In the later case a jail breaked phone could simply be instructed to bypass the check.As an exemple , Android " Google " -Phones may use SIM-lock ( depending on the plan , etc .
) In which case you can install pretty much everything you want on the phone ( specially with Android being open-source , etc .
) But you 're still required to use the same SIM card - The GSM chip is linked to specific range of ISMI and will refuse de go only with others.But I have no idea about iPhones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Use the network of their choiceGood question !Is the iPhone sold by AT&amp;T SIM-Locked ?Or is only the iPhone OS testing on which network it is connected ?That's an important distinction :- In the former case, the restriction of choice is done by the actual GSM/UTMS chip it self.Enabling the user to run the software of his/her choice doesn't change a thing.
To unlock the phone a special command has to be sent to the chip to allow it to use another SIM card with a different identification number.- In the later case a jail breaked phone could simply be instructed to bypass the check.As an exemple, Android "Google"-Phones may use SIM-lock (depending on the plan, etc.
)In which case you can install pretty much everything you want on the phone (specially with Android being open-source, etc.
)But you're still required to use the same SIM card - The GSM chip is linked to specific range of ISMI and will refuse de go only with others.But I have no idea about iPhones.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30188004</id>
	<title>Re:Excessive?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258799220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Isn't it also interesting that the fix is to, basically, un-jailbreak as soon as possible. If I were more of a conspiracy theorist, I would think Apple might have an interest in showing just how "bad" jailbreaking can be. Apple: See, if you jailbreak, you'll get a special phone worm!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't it also interesting that the fix is to , basically , un-jailbreak as soon as possible .
If I were more of a conspiracy theorist , I would think Apple might have an interest in showing just how " bad " jailbreaking can be .
Apple : See , if you jailbreak , you 'll get a special phone worm !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't it also interesting that the fix is to, basically, un-jailbreak as soon as possible.
If I were more of a conspiracy theorist, I would think Apple might have an interest in showing just how "bad" jailbreaking can be.
Apple: See, if you jailbreak, you'll get a special phone worm!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30191292</id>
	<title>Re:hmmm. passwd</title>
	<author>MeNeXT</author>
	<datestamp>1258829340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems no password is needed if you try ssh root@IPHONEIP.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems no password is needed if you try ssh root @ IPHONEIP .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems no password is needed if you try ssh root@IPHONEIP.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30188936</id>
	<title>Why these stories come packaged like this...</title>
	<author>xgadflyx</author>
	<datestamp>1258805340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Honestly, these headlines of recent need to include the word 'jailbroken' - then I wouldn't have to read them. Really, who cares? If you're jailbreaking your iPhone , man up and secure it. It's no different than any other computing device.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Honestly , these headlines of recent need to include the word 'jailbroken ' - then I would n't have to read them .
Really , who cares ?
If you 're jailbreaking your iPhone , man up and secure it .
It 's no different than any other computing device .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Honestly, these headlines of recent need to include the word 'jailbroken' - then I wouldn't have to read them.
Really, who cares?
If you're jailbreaking your iPhone , man up and secure it.
It's no different than any other computing device.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30187890</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second?</title>
	<author>Imrik</author>
	<datestamp>1258798440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I see a future where Apple, the RIAA, and others might wish to write worms to help prevent people from hacking their devices or brick devices that have been "hacked".</p></div><p>Are you entirely certain that future hasn't already arrived?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I see a future where Apple , the RIAA , and others might wish to write worms to help prevent people from hacking their devices or brick devices that have been " hacked " .Are you entirely certain that future has n't already arrived ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I see a future where Apple, the RIAA, and others might wish to write worms to help prevent people from hacking their devices or brick devices that have been "hacked".Are you entirely certain that future hasn't already arrived?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30188518</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second?</title>
	<author>jim\_v2000</author>
	<datestamp>1258802760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>&gt;I see a future where Apple, the RIAA, and others <b>might wish to</b> write worms
<br> <br>
So you're telling me that in the future, Apple could possibly have the strong desire to write a worm for iPhones?  You're like the prophet of uncertainty.</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; I see a future where Apple , the RIAA , and others might wish to write worms So you 're telling me that in the future , Apple could possibly have the strong desire to write a worm for iPhones ?
You 're like the prophet of uncertainty .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;I see a future where Apple, the RIAA, and others might wish to write worms
 
So you're telling me that in the future, Apple could possibly have the strong desire to write a worm for iPhones?
You're like the prophet of uncertainty.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30187790</id>
	<title>Abstraction</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258797720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>You just do this and that happens. As in "you run this and your phone gets even more awesome" or "you'll shut down your firewall be able to get movies in your pc" or things like that. But you dont have to understand what are really doing, or all that it implies. People are getting powerful things, and as childs are irresponsible about what could happen because their actions because they don't understand them.<br><br>It seem plain clear to us that having a common, default admin passwords in all the jailbroken devices is a very bad policy, but how many times we could had fell in a similar situation were are us who don't understand fully what we are using i.e. in other areas?<br><br>To make things worse, we complain a lot about products that takes the "safest" choice for us, not giving enough control/customization to the final (knowing enough?) user, making those impopular and so not taken even by the people that don't know (or don't want to know).</htmltext>
<tokenext>You just do this and that happens .
As in " you run this and your phone gets even more awesome " or " you 'll shut down your firewall be able to get movies in your pc " or things like that .
But you dont have to understand what are really doing , or all that it implies .
People are getting powerful things , and as childs are irresponsible about what could happen because their actions because they do n't understand them.It seem plain clear to us that having a common , default admin passwords in all the jailbroken devices is a very bad policy , but how many times we could had fell in a similar situation were are us who do n't understand fully what we are using i.e .
in other areas ? To make things worse , we complain a lot about products that takes the " safest " choice for us , not giving enough control/customization to the final ( knowing enough ?
) user , making those impopular and so not taken even by the people that do n't know ( or do n't want to know ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You just do this and that happens.
As in "you run this and your phone gets even more awesome" or "you'll shut down your firewall be able to get movies in your pc" or things like that.
But you dont have to understand what are really doing, or all that it implies.
People are getting powerful things, and as childs are irresponsible about what could happen because their actions because they don't understand them.It seem plain clear to us that having a common, default admin passwords in all the jailbroken devices is a very bad policy, but how many times we could had fell in a similar situation were are us who don't understand fully what we are using i.e.
in other areas?To make things worse, we complain a lot about products that takes the "safest" choice for us, not giving enough control/customization to the final (knowing enough?
) user, making those impopular and so not taken even by the people that don't know (or don't want to know).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30188322</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258801320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can do 2 and 3 right now on my un-jailbroken iPhone.</p><p>I'm also quite happy with O2, although now the exclusivity has expired in the UK, I can switch to Orange if I really want.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can do 2 and 3 right now on my un-jailbroken iPhone.I 'm also quite happy with O2 , although now the exclusivity has expired in the UK , I can switch to Orange if I really want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can do 2 and 3 right now on my un-jailbroken iPhone.I'm also quite happy with O2, although now the exclusivity has expired in the UK, I can switch to Orange if I really want.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30187780</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30190454</id>
	<title>mod Do3n</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258818120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">balance is struck, case you want to outreach are were nullifieD by errors.  Future I developers</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>balance is struck , case you want to outreach are were nullifieD by errors .
Future I developers [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>balance is struck, case you want to outreach are were nullifieD by errors.
Future I developers [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30188634</id>
	<title>Re:Why a default password?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258803600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They got exactly what they wanted -- an open phone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They got exactly what they wanted -- an open phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They got exactly what they wanted -- an open phone.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30187632</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30187870</id>
	<title>Re:Excessive?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258798320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Owners of a jailbroken iPhone with a default root password are advised to flash to the latest Apple firmware in order to ensure <b>that their phone is bricked and completely unusable</b> </p></div><p>Fixed the article</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Owners of a jailbroken iPhone with a default root password are advised to flash to the latest Apple firmware in order to ensure that their phone is bricked and completely unusable Fixed the article</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Owners of a jailbroken iPhone with a default root password are advised to flash to the latest Apple firmware in order to ensure that their phone is bricked and completely unusable Fixed the article
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30187574</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30188110</id>
	<title>)FirsT post</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258800000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">bulk of the FreeBSD Minutes. If that. obtain a copy of those uber-asshole was after a long that has grown up to download the Are you a NIGGER Smith only serve successes with the continues to lose BSD has always prospects are I know it sux0rs, Wash off hands Standards should May disturb other Apeeared...saying going to continue,</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>bulk of the FreeBSD Minutes .
If that .
obtain a copy of those uber-asshole was after a long that has grown up to download the Are you a NIGGER Smith only serve successes with the continues to lose BSD has always prospects are I know it sux0rs , Wash off hands Standards should May disturb other Apeeared...saying going to continue , [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>bulk of the FreeBSD Minutes.
If that.
obtain a copy of those uber-asshole was after a long that has grown up to download the Are you a NIGGER Smith only serve successes with the continues to lose BSD has always prospects are I know it sux0rs, Wash off hands Standards should May disturb other Apeeared...saying going to continue, [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30191708</id>
	<title>Insane</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258921320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People need to change their password, instead of using a default (known) password.</p><p>Maybe Cydia should prompt for a new password when installing sshd and make sure root is disabled on sshd?</p><p>This should effect a minority number of jailbroken phones (because if you are going to jailbreak you probably know enough to change the password) and since jailbroken phones are already less than 25 percent of iPhones, how is this even news?  That has to be an extremely small number of possible targets.  Not to mention the fact that every phone company already runs a firewall which prevents you from infecting anyone NOT using your telco's service.</p><p>I'm guessing with all these limiters, that less than a handful (a few hundred) phones world wide will ever be infected?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People need to change their password , instead of using a default ( known ) password.Maybe Cydia should prompt for a new password when installing sshd and make sure root is disabled on sshd ? This should effect a minority number of jailbroken phones ( because if you are going to jailbreak you probably know enough to change the password ) and since jailbroken phones are already less than 25 percent of iPhones , how is this even news ?
That has to be an extremely small number of possible targets .
Not to mention the fact that every phone company already runs a firewall which prevents you from infecting anyone NOT using your telco 's service.I 'm guessing with all these limiters , that less than a handful ( a few hundred ) phones world wide will ever be infected ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People need to change their password, instead of using a default (known) password.Maybe Cydia should prompt for a new password when installing sshd and make sure root is disabled on sshd?This should effect a minority number of jailbroken phones (because if you are going to jailbreak you probably know enough to change the password) and since jailbroken phones are already less than 25 percent of iPhones, how is this even news?
That has to be an extremely small number of possible targets.
Not to mention the fact that every phone company already runs a firewall which prevents you from infecting anyone NOT using your telco's service.I'm guessing with all these limiters, that less than a handful (a few hundred) phones world wide will ever be infected?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30189454</id>
	<title>Passwd is not the solution</title>
	<author>grouchyDude</author>
	<datestamp>1258809660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One reason why people might still be using the original password, and why this is all a hassle, is that the normal UNIX passwd program cannot be used on the iPhone.</p><p>I believe one needs to manually edit a file called<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/etc/master.passwd</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One reason why people might still be using the original password , and why this is all a hassle , is that the normal UNIX passwd program can not be used on the iPhone.I believe one needs to manually edit a file called /etc/master.passwd</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One reason why people might still be using the original password, and why this is all a hassle, is that the normal UNIX passwd program cannot be used on the iPhone.I believe one needs to manually edit a file called /etc/master.passwd</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30187614</id>
	<title>ROFL</title>
	<author>Idiomatick</author>
	<datestamp>1258796700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Open SSH port with default password<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... as a default for the phone. That's not even a virus that's like a white guy wandering downtown with a big armful of money telling everyone that niggers suck. Virus implies it slipped through security....</htmltext>
<tokenext>Open SSH port with default password ... as a default for the phone .
That 's not even a virus that 's like a white guy wandering downtown with a big armful of money telling everyone that niggers suck .
Virus implies it slipped through security... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Open SSH port with default password ... as a default for the phone.
That's not even a virus that's like a white guy wandering downtown with a big armful of money telling everyone that niggers suck.
Virus implies it slipped through security....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30187682</id>
	<title>Not the first</title>
	<author>93 Escort Wagon</author>
	<datestamp>1258797060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have to take exception to the claim this is the FIRST malicious iPhone worm. After all, ikee inflicted Rick Astley on people - that probably gave folks nightmares.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have to take exception to the claim this is the FIRST malicious iPhone worm .
After all , ikee inflicted Rick Astley on people - that probably gave folks nightmares .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have to take exception to the claim this is the FIRST malicious iPhone worm.
After all, ikee inflicted Rick Astley on people - that probably gave folks nightmares.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30190864</id>
	<title>NO NO NO...</title>
	<author>Anim8me2</author>
	<datestamp>1258823460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>NO NO NO...
the title for the article should read "First malicious worm for JAILBROKEN iPhones in the wild" because that is the only way to get it and lazy readers will just start running for the hills claiming how insecure the iPhone is.
<br> <br>
And by lazy readers I mean tech journalists.</htmltext>
<tokenext>NO NO NO.. . the title for the article should read " First malicious worm for JAILBROKEN iPhones in the wild " because that is the only way to get it and lazy readers will just start running for the hills claiming how insecure the iPhone is .
And by lazy readers I mean tech journalists .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NO NO NO...
the title for the article should read "First malicious worm for JAILBROKEN iPhones in the wild" because that is the only way to get it and lazy readers will just start running for the hills claiming how insecure the iPhone is.
And by lazy readers I mean tech journalists.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30187768</id>
	<title>Confusing summary</title>
	<author>Burpmaster</author>
	<datestamp>1258797600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It implies rickrolling isn't malicious.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It implies rickrolling is n't malicious .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It implies rickrolling isn't malicious.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30188506</id>
	<title>Re:Oh, Dutch...</title>
	<author>dingen</author>
	<datestamp>1258802700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <em>gejailbreakte</em> <br>
I love it.</p></div><p>Sadly, the language is full of these sort of things nowadays... give it another decade and Dutch will be fully understandable for people who speak English.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>gejailbreakte I love it.Sadly , the language is full of these sort of things nowadays... give it another decade and Dutch will be fully understandable for people who speak English .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> gejailbreakte 
I love it.Sadly, the language is full of these sort of things nowadays... give it another decade and Dutch will be fully understandable for people who speak English.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30187666</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30188596</id>
	<title>Re:Why a default password?</title>
	<author>Suzuran</author>
	<datestamp>1258803420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Jailbreaking DOES NOT install ssh by default.

You have to install openssh yourself after jailbreaking.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Jailbreaking DOES NOT install ssh by default .
You have to install openssh yourself after jailbreaking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Jailbreaking DOES NOT install ssh by default.
You have to install openssh yourself after jailbreaking.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30187632</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30194862</id>
	<title>Re:Excessive?</title>
	<author>Rexdude</author>
	<datestamp>1258916100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>No reason ordinary folk shouldn't be allowed to enjoy the benefits of an un-crippled, unrestricted phone.</p></div><p>If having an unrestricted device is so important to them, why buy an iPhone at all ?<br>Every other smartphone lets you use the network provider you want, or install the apps you want from anywhere.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>No reason ordinary folk should n't be allowed to enjoy the benefits of an un-crippled , unrestricted phone.If having an unrestricted device is so important to them , why buy an iPhone at all ? Every other smartphone lets you use the network provider you want , or install the apps you want from anywhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No reason ordinary folk shouldn't be allowed to enjoy the benefits of an un-crippled, unrestricted phone.If having an unrestricted device is so important to them, why buy an iPhone at all ?Every other smartphone lets you use the network provider you want, or install the apps you want from anywhere.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30188834</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30187568</id>
	<title>hmmm. passwd</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258796520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>how about changing the default password............</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>how about changing the default password........... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>how about changing the default password............</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30209412</id>
	<title>Wow..</title>
	<author>Wovel</author>
	<datestamp>1258988940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People are going to great lengths to pretend like there are vulnerabilities in the iPhone.  This is a Darwin worm and not much else.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People are going to great lengths to pretend like there are vulnerabilities in the iPhone .
This is a Darwin worm and not much else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People are going to great lengths to pretend like there are vulnerabilities in the iPhone.
This is a Darwin worm and not much else.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30187854</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258798260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can already do number 3 without jailbreaking my phone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can already do number 3 without jailbreaking my phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can already do number 3 without jailbreaking my phone.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30187780</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30188168</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258800360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/skype/id304878510?mt=8" title="apple.com" rel="nofollow">Skype has been available on the App Store for months.</a> [apple.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Skype has been available on the App Store for months .
[ apple.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Skype has been available on the App Store for months.
[apple.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30187780</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30187530</id>
	<title>As the saying goes.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258796340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>PEBKAC.</htmltext>
<tokenext>PEBKAC .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>PEBKAC.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30188504</id>
	<title>Re:ROFL</title>
	<author>mysidia</author>
	<datestamp>1258802640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
It's like the guy who wants to start a bank, who leaves the doors to the building in the default position (unlocked) always,   and leaves the money vault's  combination, set to the default  "1 2  3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16",     which is printed  on a sticker at the top of the lock he didn't bother to remove  "Default combination:<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's like the guy who wants to start a bank , who leaves the doors to the building in the default position ( unlocked ) always , and leaves the money vault 's combination , set to the default " 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 " , which is printed on a sticker at the top of the lock he did n't bother to remove " Default combination : . .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
It's like the guy who wants to start a bank, who leaves the doors to the building in the default position (unlocked) always,   and leaves the money vault's  combination, set to the default  "1 2  3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16",     which is printed  on a sticker at the top of the lock he didn't bother to remove  "Default combination: ..
</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30187614</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30189288</id>
	<title>Re:Abstraction</title>
	<author>sogoodsofarsowhat</author>
	<datestamp>1258808520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well the fact remains....Jailbreak your phone and you run a real risk of being hacked or compromised.

You cannot show me a single stock iphone that is vulnerable to ANYTHING like this.

That right there proves Apple knows better than the customer, as they have demonstrated time and again on security matters.
When i have to run virus protection on my Mac then we can discuss a change to the above rule.  But for now Apple is shining brighter and brighter.

And the open it all up let us decide crowd just got another set back, as this shows why for the average user its better to trust Apple then yourself in these matters.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/yeah i know plenty here can take care of themselves, but realize your a tiny segment of the target market.  this means your votes dont count...sorta like voting in the USA.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well the fact remains....Jailbreak your phone and you run a real risk of being hacked or compromised .
You can not show me a single stock iphone that is vulnerable to ANYTHING like this .
That right there proves Apple knows better than the customer , as they have demonstrated time and again on security matters .
When i have to run virus protection on my Mac then we can discuss a change to the above rule .
But for now Apple is shining brighter and brighter .
And the open it all up let us decide crowd just got another set back , as this shows why for the average user its better to trust Apple then yourself in these matters .
/yeah i know plenty here can take care of themselves , but realize your a tiny segment of the target market .
this means your votes dont count...sorta like voting in the USA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well the fact remains....Jailbreak your phone and you run a real risk of being hacked or compromised.
You cannot show me a single stock iphone that is vulnerable to ANYTHING like this.
That right there proves Apple knows better than the customer, as they have demonstrated time and again on security matters.
When i have to run virus protection on my Mac then we can discuss a change to the above rule.
But for now Apple is shining brighter and brighter.
And the open it all up let us decide crowd just got another set back, as this shows why for the average user its better to trust Apple then yourself in these matters.
/yeah i know plenty here can take care of themselves, but realize your a tiny segment of the target market.
this means your votes dont count...sorta like voting in the USA.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30188868</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30188056</id>
	<title>Unless...</title>
	<author>dreamchaser</author>
	<datestamp>1258799580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>That seems a bit excessive when a simple one-time usage of the included "passwd" utility will suffice. Srsly though, jailbreaking utilities should be pestering users to change their password from the default because this is only scaring less-knowledgeable folk into thinking Jailbreak == viruses</p></div></blockquote><p>Unless of course the author of a particular jailbreak utility WANTS to compromise the target units.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That seems a bit excessive when a simple one-time usage of the included " passwd " utility will suffice .
Srsly though , jailbreaking utilities should be pestering users to change their password from the default because this is only scaring less-knowledgeable folk into thinking Jailbreak = = virusesUnless of course the author of a particular jailbreak utility WANTS to compromise the target units .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That seems a bit excessive when a simple one-time usage of the included "passwd" utility will suffice.
Srsly though, jailbreaking utilities should be pestering users to change their password from the default because this is only scaring less-knowledgeable folk into thinking Jailbreak == virusesUnless of course the author of a particular jailbreak utility WANTS to compromise the target units.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30187574</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30188092</id>
	<title>How is this going to get made Apple's fault?</title>
	<author>BlueBoxSW.com</author>
	<datestamp>1258799820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So Apple has been working hard to keep jailbreaking down to a minimum. Now it is discovered that some jailbroken phones with jailbroken apps have security issues.</p><p>How is someone going to now turn this around and blame Apple?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So Apple has been working hard to keep jailbreaking down to a minimum .
Now it is discovered that some jailbroken phones with jailbroken apps have security issues.How is someone going to now turn this around and blame Apple ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So Apple has been working hard to keep jailbreaking down to a minimum.
Now it is discovered that some jailbroken phones with jailbroken apps have security issues.How is someone going to now turn this around and blame Apple?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30187562</id>
	<title>In other news</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258796460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Morons who don't know what the fuck they're doing still continue doing it.</p><p>News at 11.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Morons who do n't know what the fuck they 're doing still continue doing it.News at 11 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Morons who don't know what the fuck they're doing still continue doing it.News at 11.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30188944</id>
	<title>Stop stop stop</title>
	<author>loftling</author>
	<datestamp>1258805400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously misleading. Next headline: "Toyota Prius prone to nuclear explosion".<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... if you remove the engine, put your homebrew uranium fuel rods in it, and forget to read the owner's manual about needing proper coolant.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously misleading .
Next headline : " Toyota Prius prone to nuclear explosion " .
... if you remove the engine , put your homebrew uranium fuel rods in it , and forget to read the owner 's manual about needing proper coolant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously misleading.
Next headline: "Toyota Prius prone to nuclear explosion".
... if you remove the engine, put your homebrew uranium fuel rods in it, and forget to read the owner's manual about needing proper coolant.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30188756</id>
	<title>Re:Excessive?</title>
	<author>macslut</author>
	<datestamp>1258804320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually the steps are:
1) Admit that you're an idiot for enabling SSH and not changing the default password.
2) Flash the firmware.
3) Re-Jailbreak.
4) Either don't enable SSH or do change the default password.
5) Remember that you're an idiot.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually the steps are : 1 ) Admit that you 're an idiot for enabling SSH and not changing the default password .
2 ) Flash the firmware .
3 ) Re-Jailbreak .
4 ) Either do n't enable SSH or do change the default password .
5 ) Remember that you 're an idiot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually the steps are:
1) Admit that you're an idiot for enabling SSH and not changing the default password.
2) Flash the firmware.
3) Re-Jailbreak.
4) Either don't enable SSH or do change the default password.
5) Remember that you're an idiot.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30188004</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30188078</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258799760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>On #3 - if you'd take your mouth off Linus Torvald's dick long enough to actually look around, you'd notice that iTunes has eliminated DRM on all but a handful of tracks. Furthermore, douchington, every iPod EVER has been able to play MP3s.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On # 3 - if you 'd take your mouth off Linus Torvald 's dick long enough to actually look around , you 'd notice that iTunes has eliminated DRM on all but a handful of tracks .
Furthermore , douchington , every iPod EVER has been able to play MP3s .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On #3 - if you'd take your mouth off Linus Torvald's dick long enough to actually look around, you'd notice that iTunes has eliminated DRM on all but a handful of tracks.
Furthermore, douchington, every iPod EVER has been able to play MP3s.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30187780</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30188868</id>
	<title>Re:Abstraction</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258805040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Common, default admin passwords are present on all phones, jailbroken or not (it's just that they're basically useless with Apple's firmware). Jailbreaking it doesn't make you any more vulnerable, that only happens after you (manually) install OpenSSH. If anything, the OpenSSH package should force users to change their passwords (or refuse to work otherwise), but jailbreaking itself has <i>nothing</i> to do with this. People appear to be equating jailbreaking with having OpenSSH installed, which is entirely untrue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Common , default admin passwords are present on all phones , jailbroken or not ( it 's just that they 're basically useless with Apple 's firmware ) .
Jailbreaking it does n't make you any more vulnerable , that only happens after you ( manually ) install OpenSSH .
If anything , the OpenSSH package should force users to change their passwords ( or refuse to work otherwise ) , but jailbreaking itself has nothing to do with this .
People appear to be equating jailbreaking with having OpenSSH installed , which is entirely untrue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Common, default admin passwords are present on all phones, jailbroken or not (it's just that they're basically useless with Apple's firmware).
Jailbreaking it doesn't make you any more vulnerable, that only happens after you (manually) install OpenSSH.
If anything, the OpenSSH package should force users to change their passwords (or refuse to work otherwise), but jailbreaking itself has nothing to do with this.
People appear to be equating jailbreaking with having OpenSSH installed, which is entirely untrue.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30187790</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30187632</id>
	<title>Why a default password?</title>
	<author>harmonise</author>
	<datestamp>1258796820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>why is SSH being installed with a default password left in place? Talk about asking for trouble.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>why is SSH being installed with a default password left in place ?
Talk about asking for trouble .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>why is SSH being installed with a default password left in place?
Talk about asking for trouble.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30203312</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second?</title>
	<author>lexios</author>
	<datestamp>1258998660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've done a jailbreak and unlock after updating the firmware to 3.1.2 (the baseband was already at 05.11.07). How to change the default passwords is shown on: <a href="http://dailyapps.net/2009/11/hack-attack-secure-your-jailbroken-iphone/" title="dailyapps.net" rel="nofollow">http://dailyapps.net/2009/11/hack-attack-secure-your-jailbroken-iphone/</a> [dailyapps.net] for example. Note that the accounts mobile &amp; root have by default the password alpine and thus you need to change both passwords. (Not every guide out there mentions the user mobile.)

Updating the firmware on a brand new unlocked iPhone may actually lock it according to some reports, if you are against jailbreaking as a matter of princple you may want to wait a bit what the results are for a larger sample of users.

As for who is to blame, I'd say it can be divided amongst:
- The user he/she should have changed the default password.
- The installer/packager of the iPhone OpenSSH app for not forcing the user to change the default password.
- Apple for trying to control too hard what kind of software is used on the phone and not making features available the users actually want. (Folders for related apps for example.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've done a jailbreak and unlock after updating the firmware to 3.1.2 ( the baseband was already at 05.11.07 ) .
How to change the default passwords is shown on : http : //dailyapps.net/2009/11/hack-attack-secure-your-jailbroken-iphone/ [ dailyapps.net ] for example .
Note that the accounts mobile &amp; root have by default the password alpine and thus you need to change both passwords .
( Not every guide out there mentions the user mobile .
) Updating the firmware on a brand new unlocked iPhone may actually lock it according to some reports , if you are against jailbreaking as a matter of princple you may want to wait a bit what the results are for a larger sample of users .
As for who is to blame , I 'd say it can be divided amongst : - The user he/she should have changed the default password .
- The installer/packager of the iPhone OpenSSH app for not forcing the user to change the default password .
- Apple for trying to control too hard what kind of software is used on the phone and not making features available the users actually want .
( Folders for related apps for example .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've done a jailbreak and unlock after updating the firmware to 3.1.2 (the baseband was already at 05.11.07).
How to change the default passwords is shown on: http://dailyapps.net/2009/11/hack-attack-secure-your-jailbroken-iphone/ [dailyapps.net] for example.
Note that the accounts mobile &amp; root have by default the password alpine and thus you need to change both passwords.
(Not every guide out there mentions the user mobile.
)

Updating the firmware on a brand new unlocked iPhone may actually lock it according to some reports, if you are against jailbreaking as a matter of princple you may want to wait a bit what the results are for a larger sample of users.
As for who is to blame, I'd say it can be divided amongst:
- The user he/she should have changed the default password.
- The installer/packager of the iPhone OpenSSH app for not forcing the user to change the default password.
- Apple for trying to control too hard what kind of software is used on the phone and not making features available the users actually want.
(Folders for related apps for example.
)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30187780</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30191296</id>
	<title>Re:Excessive?</title>
	<author>MeNeXT</author>
	<datestamp>1258829400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>try this ssh root@IPHONEIP does not matter if you change the password.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>try this ssh root @ IPHONEIP does not matter if you change the password .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>try this ssh root@IPHONEIP does not matter if you change the password.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30187574</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30188722</id>
	<title>Re:Excessive?</title>
	<author>marcansoft</author>
	<datestamp>1258804140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wrong. The fix is to, basically, reinstall the OS. Jailbroken or not. Jailbreak != OpenSSH preinstalled. People claiming this hole is somehow the result of jailbreaks are either clueless or anti-jailbreak. Jailbreaking is the enabler, but the real problem are clueless users who install (or are instructed to install) OpenSSH and do not change the default passwords.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wrong .
The fix is to , basically , reinstall the OS .
Jailbroken or not .
Jailbreak ! = OpenSSH preinstalled .
People claiming this hole is somehow the result of jailbreaks are either clueless or anti-jailbreak .
Jailbreaking is the enabler , but the real problem are clueless users who install ( or are instructed to install ) OpenSSH and do not change the default passwords .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wrong.
The fix is to, basically, reinstall the OS.
Jailbroken or not.
Jailbreak != OpenSSH preinstalled.
People claiming this hole is somehow the result of jailbreaks are either clueless or anti-jailbreak.
Jailbreaking is the enabler, but the real problem are clueless users who install (or are instructed to install) OpenSSH and do not change the default passwords.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30188004</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30187780</id>
	<title>Wait a second?</title>
	<author>cluge</author>
	<datestamp>1258797660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>&gt;Owners of a jailbroken iPhone with a default root password are advised to flash <br>
&gt;to the latest Apple firmware in order to ensure no malware is present."<p>
If they flash to the latest apple firmware, will they be able to</p><ul>
<li>1. Use the network of their choice</li><li>2. Run non apple allowed apps (skype)</li><li>3. Play their music without DRM</li></ul><p>
Most importantly - will they be able to jailbreak the device after the update?</p><p>
I see a future where Apple, the RIAA, and others might wish to write worms to help prevent people from hacking their devices or brick devices that have been "hacked".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Owners of a jailbroken iPhone with a default root password are advised to flash &gt; to the latest Apple firmware in order to ensure no malware is present .
" If they flash to the latest apple firmware , will they be able to 1 .
Use the network of their choice2 .
Run non apple allowed apps ( skype ) 3 .
Play their music without DRM Most importantly - will they be able to jailbreak the device after the update ?
I see a future where Apple , the RIAA , and others might wish to write worms to help prevent people from hacking their devices or brick devices that have been " hacked " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;Owners of a jailbroken iPhone with a default root password are advised to flash 
&gt;to the latest Apple firmware in order to ensure no malware is present.
"
If they flash to the latest apple firmware, will they be able to
1.
Use the network of their choice2.
Run non apple allowed apps (skype)3.
Play their music without DRM
Most importantly - will they be able to jailbreak the device after the update?
I see a future where Apple, the RIAA, and others might wish to write worms to help prevent people from hacking their devices or brick devices that have been "hacked".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30188290</id>
	<title>Makes your iPhone just a little more exciting.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258801140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Google reader was showing an ad titled "Make your iPhone a little more exciting" with this article. Very exciting indeed!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Google reader was showing an ad titled " Make your iPhone a little more exciting " with this article .
Very exciting indeed !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google reader was showing an ad titled "Make your iPhone a little more exciting" with this article.
Very exciting indeed!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30198380</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258901700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can do number 1 on my iPhone. You see... in my country, phones have to be carrier neutral by law. My country believes in customer freedom and choice....<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.... oddly, the country I live in is not the US.... but closer to China! (Hong Kong actually).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can do number 1 on my iPhone .
You see... in my country , phones have to be carrier neutral by law .
My country believes in customer freedom and choice.... .... oddly , the country I live in is not the US.... but closer to China !
( Hong Kong actually ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can do number 1 on my iPhone.
You see... in my country, phones have to be carrier neutral by law.
My country believes in customer freedom and choice.... .... oddly, the country I live in is not the US.... but closer to China!
(Hong Kong actually).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30187780</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30187794</id>
	<title>Re:ROFL</title>
	<author>Ethanol-fueled</author>
	<datestamp>1258797780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-03-26/1238084894717.jpg" title="chan4chan.com" rel="nofollow">Die Hard with a Vengeance</a> [chan4chan.com] comes to mind.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Die Hard with a Vengeance [ chan4chan.com ] comes to mind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Die Hard with a Vengeance [chan4chan.com] comes to mind.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30187614</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30190994</id>
	<title>Please don't call it jailbreaking...</title>
	<author>KillShill</author>
	<datestamp>1258825620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It gives the impression you (the customer) is doing something wrong (breaking out of jail).

Call it "removing the DRM".

Personally, I don't know why anyone would want to buy a DRM-crippled device for hundreds of dollars and be beholden to 2 mega corporations dictating what you can and can't do with it.

But I'll defend to the death the right of the public to do what they please with what they buy (own).

F*** corporate rights!</htmltext>
<tokenext>It gives the impression you ( the customer ) is doing something wrong ( breaking out of jail ) .
Call it " removing the DRM " .
Personally , I do n't know why anyone would want to buy a DRM-crippled device for hundreds of dollars and be beholden to 2 mega corporations dictating what you can and ca n't do with it .
But I 'll defend to the death the right of the public to do what they please with what they buy ( own ) .
F * * * corporate rights !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It gives the impression you (the customer) is doing something wrong (breaking out of jail).
Call it "removing the DRM".
Personally, I don't know why anyone would want to buy a DRM-crippled device for hundreds of dollars and be beholden to 2 mega corporations dictating what you can and can't do with it.
But I'll defend to the death the right of the public to do what they please with what they buy (own).
F*** corporate rights!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30188174</id>
	<title>Re:Excessive?</title>
	<author>pizzach</author>
	<datestamp>1258800420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That seems a bit excessive when a simple one-time usage of the included "passwd" utility will suffice. Srsly though, jailbreaking utilities should be pestering users to change their password from the default because this is only scaring less-knowledgeable folk into thinking Jailbreak == viruses</p></div><p>Honestly, if the people reading it don't realize it is obsessive, they probably shouldn't have jailbroke their phones in the first place.  When you hack something on a public controlled network, you best not be mindless.  This message hits exactly the people who should return to the standard firmware and nor more.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That seems a bit excessive when a simple one-time usage of the included " passwd " utility will suffice .
Srsly though , jailbreaking utilities should be pestering users to change their password from the default because this is only scaring less-knowledgeable folk into thinking Jailbreak = = virusesHonestly , if the people reading it do n't realize it is obsessive , they probably should n't have jailbroke their phones in the first place .
When you hack something on a public controlled network , you best not be mindless .
This message hits exactly the people who should return to the standard firmware and nor more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That seems a bit excessive when a simple one-time usage of the included "passwd" utility will suffice.
Srsly though, jailbreaking utilities should be pestering users to change their password from the default because this is only scaring less-knowledgeable folk into thinking Jailbreak == virusesHonestly, if the people reading it don't realize it is obsessive, they probably shouldn't have jailbroke their phones in the first place.
When you hack something on a public controlled network, you best not be mindless.
This message hits exactly the people who should return to the standard firmware and nor more.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30187574</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30187574</id>
	<title>Excessive?</title>
	<author>ickleberry</author>
	<datestamp>1258796520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Owners of a jailbroken iPhone with a default root password are advised to flash to the latest Apple firmware in order to ensure no malware is present.</p></div><p>
That seems a bit excessive when a simple one-time usage of the included "passwd" utility will suffice. Srsly though, jailbreaking utilities should be pestering users to change their password from the default because this is only scaring less-knowledgeable folk into thinking Jailbreak == viruses</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Owners of a jailbroken iPhone with a default root password are advised to flash to the latest Apple firmware in order to ensure no malware is present .
That seems a bit excessive when a simple one-time usage of the included " passwd " utility will suffice .
Srsly though , jailbreaking utilities should be pestering users to change their password from the default because this is only scaring less-knowledgeable folk into thinking Jailbreak = = viruses</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Owners of a jailbroken iPhone with a default root password are advised to flash to the latest Apple firmware in order to ensure no malware is present.
That seems a bit excessive when a simple one-time usage of the included "passwd" utility will suffice.
Srsly though, jailbreaking utilities should be pestering users to change their password from the default because this is only scaring less-knowledgeable folk into thinking Jailbreak == viruses
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30188460</id>
	<title>Re:Excessive?</title>
	<author>mysidia</author>
	<datestamp>1258802220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
If you don't bother reading the documentation and such, to ensure you use the "passwd" command as directed,  then you have no business jailbreaking or using a jailbroken phone.
</p><p>
Because you're going to screw up in some other way too.  (Default password isn't the only mistake you can make)
</p><p>
It gives Apple more ammo to use against jailbreakers, even justification for bricking them -- to protect Apple's good name against being tarnished by reports of "iPhone-based botnets".
</p><p>
Part of the sales pitch of Apple software is that there's no risk of Malware or Worms anything like there is for Windows users.
</p><p>
Microsoft would want you think there's nothing about Apple's OS that is more secure -- there's just no Malware problem, because hardly anybody uses their OS, and hackers aren't interested in it.
</p><p>
By allowing jailbroken iPhones to continue to function, and worms to arise targetting jailbroken phones, more credibility is lent to the Anti-OSX / Anti-UNIX security argument  (the position that UNIX / OS X / Linux/ etc, are no more secure than Windows in any way, or that Windows is just as more secure).
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you do n't bother reading the documentation and such , to ensure you use the " passwd " command as directed , then you have no business jailbreaking or using a jailbroken phone .
Because you 're going to screw up in some other way too .
( Default password is n't the only mistake you can make ) It gives Apple more ammo to use against jailbreakers , even justification for bricking them -- to protect Apple 's good name against being tarnished by reports of " iPhone-based botnets " .
Part of the sales pitch of Apple software is that there 's no risk of Malware or Worms anything like there is for Windows users .
Microsoft would want you think there 's nothing about Apple 's OS that is more secure -- there 's just no Malware problem , because hardly anybody uses their OS , and hackers are n't interested in it .
By allowing jailbroken iPhones to continue to function , and worms to arise targetting jailbroken phones , more credibility is lent to the Anti-OSX / Anti-UNIX security argument ( the position that UNIX / OS X / Linux/ etc , are no more secure than Windows in any way , or that Windows is just as more secure ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
If you don't bother reading the documentation and such, to ensure you use the "passwd" command as directed,  then you have no business jailbreaking or using a jailbroken phone.
Because you're going to screw up in some other way too.
(Default password isn't the only mistake you can make)

It gives Apple more ammo to use against jailbreakers, even justification for bricking them -- to protect Apple's good name against being tarnished by reports of "iPhone-based botnets".
Part of the sales pitch of Apple software is that there's no risk of Malware or Worms anything like there is for Windows users.
Microsoft would want you think there's nothing about Apple's OS that is more secure -- there's just no Malware problem, because hardly anybody uses their OS, and hackers aren't interested in it.
By allowing jailbroken iPhones to continue to function, and worms to arise targetting jailbroken phones, more credibility is lent to the Anti-OSX / Anti-UNIX security argument  (the position that UNIX / OS X / Linux/ etc, are no more secure than Windows in any way, or that Windows is just as more secure).
</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30187574</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30188164</id>
	<title>Published passwords == bad. It's that simple.</title>
	<author>badger.foo</author>
	<datestamp>1258800300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Publishing your password on the net (which is roughly equivalent to what these lusers have done) borders on criminal negligence.

I've ranted about this before (and yes, it was<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.ed), and the conclusion remains the same:
<br>
<br>
<i>if you run with a default password, for root or otherwise, you have effectively published that account's password.</i>
<br>
<br>
What is bound to happen after you have published your password is left as an exercise to the eader.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Publishing your password on the net ( which is roughly equivalent to what these lusers have done ) borders on criminal negligence .
I 've ranted about this before ( and yes , it was /.ed ) , and the conclusion remains the same : if you run with a default password , for root or otherwise , you have effectively published that account 's password .
What is bound to happen after you have published your password is left as an exercise to the eader .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Publishing your password on the net (which is roughly equivalent to what these lusers have done) borders on criminal negligence.
I've ranted about this before (and yes, it was /.ed), and the conclusion remains the same:


if you run with a default password, for root or otherwise, you have effectively published that account's password.
What is bound to happen after you have published your password is left as an exercise to the eader.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30188140</id>
	<title>RickRolling the iPhone!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258800180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Being rickrolled is not malicious. It's a privilege.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Being rickrolled is not malicious .
It 's a privilege .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Being rickrolled is not malicious.
It's a privilege.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30188768</id>
	<title>Re:Excessive?</title>
	<author>Sir\_Lewk</author>
	<datestamp>1258804380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No.  If people don't realize that reflashing their iphones is the proper thing to do at this point <i>then they are the ones</i> that should not be jailbreaking their iphones.  The purpose of the reflash is to ensure that the phone will no longer be infected, which it may or may not have been before hand.  Changing the password after the fact will not magically un-infect them.</p><p>Honestly though, if people didn't change the default password to begin with then they really should not be jailbreaking their iphones.</p><p>Oh, and the word you are looking for is "excessive", not "obsessive".  Your parent (whom you quoted) got it right.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No .
If people do n't realize that reflashing their iphones is the proper thing to do at this point then they are the ones that should not be jailbreaking their iphones .
The purpose of the reflash is to ensure that the phone will no longer be infected , which it may or may not have been before hand .
Changing the password after the fact will not magically un-infect them.Honestly though , if people did n't change the default password to begin with then they really should not be jailbreaking their iphones.Oh , and the word you are looking for is " excessive " , not " obsessive " .
Your parent ( whom you quoted ) got it right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No.
If people don't realize that reflashing their iphones is the proper thing to do at this point then they are the ones that should not be jailbreaking their iphones.
The purpose of the reflash is to ensure that the phone will no longer be infected, which it may or may not have been before hand.
Changing the password after the fact will not magically un-infect them.Honestly though, if people didn't change the default password to begin with then they really should not be jailbreaking their iphones.Oh, and the word you are looking for is "excessive", not "obsessive".
Your parent (whom you quoted) got it right.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30188174</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30188076</id>
	<title>Whis is behind this?</title>
	<author>future assassin</author>
	<datestamp>1258799760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Apple? Hmm big corp don't like customer freedom.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple ?
Hmm big corp do n't like customer freedom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple?
Hmm big corp don't like customer freedom.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30192998</id>
	<title>Jailbreaking and Unlocking - they're different</title>
	<author>jht</author>
	<datestamp>1258902120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Being only able to buy the iPhone here in the US as a carrier-locked phone - that's wrong and sucks.  But sadly that's the rule here because of the deal Apple has with AT&amp;T.  May it expire soon, even though the only other national GSM carrier is T-Mobile and they have an even smaller footprint.  It'd be nice to take an iPhone out of the country and get a local SIM without having to use your AT&amp;T account.</p><p>Of course, that carrier lock is also why the iPhone costs $200 instead of about $600 or so - the carrier subsidy that AT&amp;T pays Apple for it keeps you from having to pay all the money up front.</p><p>Jailbreaking, though, is a different story.  Anyone who wants to jailbreak their iPhone should feel free to do so and run whatever they want.  But if you go to the trouble to bypass Apple's application security model you get what you get.  Not Apple's fault.</p><p>But things like this worm make me understand that much more why Apple works to plug the holes that jailbreak tools keep exploiting.  We may not all like that we're restricted to getting apps from the App Store, but on the other hand the iPhone isn't sold as a tool for personal freedom.  It's sold as a phone that runs apps that you get from Apple.  Period.</p><p>There's other phones that are marketed as "freedom phones".  If people want that above all else, they should buy a phone with the appropriate OS and not an iPhone.</p><p>Ultimately, I hope Apple opens up the App Store further and simply reviews apps to answer just a couple of questions:</p><p>1 - Does the app do anything that expressly isn't allowed by carrier contracts?</p><p>2 - Does it break the published development rules?</p><p>If it doesn't, then it ought to be published, period.  For instance, now that AT&amp;T stated that VoIP would now be allowed on their network, all the Google Voice apps and Skype should immediately be approved and put out for 3G usage.  Because those apps don't break guidelines and are now allowed by the carrier.</p><p>But even if they eliminated all restrictions short of that, the App Store will never be the free market that jailbreakers want to have.  So get another phone.  I hear you can run anything you want on Windows Mobile.</p><p>(why you'd want to may be another story...)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Being only able to buy the iPhone here in the US as a carrier-locked phone - that 's wrong and sucks .
But sadly that 's the rule here because of the deal Apple has with AT&amp;T .
May it expire soon , even though the only other national GSM carrier is T-Mobile and they have an even smaller footprint .
It 'd be nice to take an iPhone out of the country and get a local SIM without having to use your AT&amp;T account.Of course , that carrier lock is also why the iPhone costs $ 200 instead of about $ 600 or so - the carrier subsidy that AT&amp;T pays Apple for it keeps you from having to pay all the money up front.Jailbreaking , though , is a different story .
Anyone who wants to jailbreak their iPhone should feel free to do so and run whatever they want .
But if you go to the trouble to bypass Apple 's application security model you get what you get .
Not Apple 's fault.But things like this worm make me understand that much more why Apple works to plug the holes that jailbreak tools keep exploiting .
We may not all like that we 're restricted to getting apps from the App Store , but on the other hand the iPhone is n't sold as a tool for personal freedom .
It 's sold as a phone that runs apps that you get from Apple .
Period.There 's other phones that are marketed as " freedom phones " .
If people want that above all else , they should buy a phone with the appropriate OS and not an iPhone.Ultimately , I hope Apple opens up the App Store further and simply reviews apps to answer just a couple of questions : 1 - Does the app do anything that expressly is n't allowed by carrier contracts ? 2 - Does it break the published development rules ? If it does n't , then it ought to be published , period .
For instance , now that AT&amp;T stated that VoIP would now be allowed on their network , all the Google Voice apps and Skype should immediately be approved and put out for 3G usage .
Because those apps do n't break guidelines and are now allowed by the carrier.But even if they eliminated all restrictions short of that , the App Store will never be the free market that jailbreakers want to have .
So get another phone .
I hear you can run anything you want on Windows Mobile .
( why you 'd want to may be another story... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Being only able to buy the iPhone here in the US as a carrier-locked phone - that's wrong and sucks.
But sadly that's the rule here because of the deal Apple has with AT&amp;T.
May it expire soon, even though the only other national GSM carrier is T-Mobile and they have an even smaller footprint.
It'd be nice to take an iPhone out of the country and get a local SIM without having to use your AT&amp;T account.Of course, that carrier lock is also why the iPhone costs $200 instead of about $600 or so - the carrier subsidy that AT&amp;T pays Apple for it keeps you from having to pay all the money up front.Jailbreaking, though, is a different story.
Anyone who wants to jailbreak their iPhone should feel free to do so and run whatever they want.
But if you go to the trouble to bypass Apple's application security model you get what you get.
Not Apple's fault.But things like this worm make me understand that much more why Apple works to plug the holes that jailbreak tools keep exploiting.
We may not all like that we're restricted to getting apps from the App Store, but on the other hand the iPhone isn't sold as a tool for personal freedom.
It's sold as a phone that runs apps that you get from Apple.
Period.There's other phones that are marketed as "freedom phones".
If people want that above all else, they should buy a phone with the appropriate OS and not an iPhone.Ultimately, I hope Apple opens up the App Store further and simply reviews apps to answer just a couple of questions:1 - Does the app do anything that expressly isn't allowed by carrier contracts?2 - Does it break the published development rules?If it doesn't, then it ought to be published, period.
For instance, now that AT&amp;T stated that VoIP would now be allowed on their network, all the Google Voice apps and Skype should immediately be approved and put out for 3G usage.
Because those apps don't break guidelines and are now allowed by the carrier.But even if they eliminated all restrictions short of that, the App Store will never be the free market that jailbreakers want to have.
So get another phone.
I hear you can run anything you want on Windows Mobile.
(why you'd want to may be another story...)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30192434</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second?</title>
	<author>khchung</author>
	<datestamp>1258893480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can do number 1 without jailbreaking my iPhone also (you can also buy one next time to travel to Hong Kong).</p><p>For number 2, Skype is available in App Store, why do you have to jailbreak to run it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can do number 1 without jailbreaking my iPhone also ( you can also buy one next time to travel to Hong Kong ) .For number 2 , Skype is available in App Store , why do you have to jailbreak to run it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can do number 1 without jailbreaking my iPhone also (you can also buy one next time to travel to Hong Kong).For number 2, Skype is available in App Store, why do you have to jailbreak to run it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30187608</id>
	<title>In other news, idiot users get hacked</title>
	<author>Azureflare</author>
	<datestamp>1258796640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just to clarify:<p><div class="quote"><p>Wederom zijn het alleen gebruikers van een gejailbreakte iPhone of iPod Touch die risico lopen. <br> <br>Translation: Again are the only users of an iPhone or iPod Touch gejailbreakte at risk.</p></div><p>In summary, if you jailbreak your phone, install apps to make your phone a server, and don't take steps to secure it, you are an idiot and deserve whatever happens.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just to clarify : Wederom zijn het alleen gebruikers van een gejailbreakte iPhone of iPod Touch die risico lopen .
Translation : Again are the only users of an iPhone or iPod Touch gejailbreakte at risk.In summary , if you jailbreak your phone , install apps to make your phone a server , and do n't take steps to secure it , you are an idiot and deserve whatever happens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just to clarify:Wederom zijn het alleen gebruikers van een gejailbreakte iPhone of iPod Touch die risico lopen.
Translation: Again are the only users of an iPhone or iPod Touch gejailbreakte at risk.In summary, if you jailbreak your phone, install apps to make your phone a server, and don't take steps to secure it, you are an idiot and deserve whatever happens.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30188834</id>
	<title>Re:Excessive?</title>
	<author>ickleberry</author>
	<datestamp>1258804800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>No reason ordinary folk shouldn't be allowed to enjoy the benefits of an un-crippled, unrestricted phone. Jailbreaking utilities really should prompt the user for a new root password before they can continue, so there would be no point in even writing these worms.<br>,</htmltext>
<tokenext>No reason ordinary folk should n't be allowed to enjoy the benefits of an un-crippled , unrestricted phone .
Jailbreaking utilities really should prompt the user for a new root password before they can continue , so there would be no point in even writing these worms.,</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No reason ordinary folk shouldn't be allowed to enjoy the benefits of an un-crippled, unrestricted phone.
Jailbreaking utilities really should prompt the user for a new root password before they can continue, so there would be no point in even writing these worms.,</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30188174</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30204950</id>
	<title>Re:Excessive?</title>
	<author>DigitalCrackPipe</author>
	<datestamp>1259008020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Perhaps this is a way to scare off the non-technical folks from jailbreaking.  I'm not sure if that not-so-accurate advice is a big problem. Maybe those who jailbreak should understand what they're doing, or avoid doing it. Hacked technology is all kinds of fun until the idiot masses get to it.  For instance, nobody cared about MP3s until napster let every idiot with a computer pirate mass amounts of music.  Then suddenly MP3 was a bad word and we have DRM shoved so far up our butts that our teeth hurt.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps this is a way to scare off the non-technical folks from jailbreaking .
I 'm not sure if that not-so-accurate advice is a big problem .
Maybe those who jailbreak should understand what they 're doing , or avoid doing it .
Hacked technology is all kinds of fun until the idiot masses get to it .
For instance , nobody cared about MP3s until napster let every idiot with a computer pirate mass amounts of music .
Then suddenly MP3 was a bad word and we have DRM shoved so far up our butts that our teeth hurt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps this is a way to scare off the non-technical folks from jailbreaking.
I'm not sure if that not-so-accurate advice is a big problem.
Maybe those who jailbreak should understand what they're doing, or avoid doing it.
Hacked technology is all kinds of fun until the idiot masses get to it.
For instance, nobody cared about MP3s until napster let every idiot with a computer pirate mass amounts of music.
Then suddenly MP3 was a bad word and we have DRM shoved so far up our butts that our teeth hurt.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30187574</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30188938</id>
	<title>intelligence</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258805400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What I don't see is upon installation of openssh it would be easy enough to force the user to change the password?  Why don't they just have a simple check within openssh that if the password is the default upon the first login force the user to change the password?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What I do n't see is upon installation of openssh it would be easy enough to force the user to change the password ?
Why do n't they just have a simple check within openssh that if the password is the default upon the first login force the user to change the password ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What I don't see is upon installation of openssh it would be easy enough to force the user to change the password?
Why don't they just have a simple check within openssh that if the password is the default upon the first login force the user to change the password?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30187666</id>
	<title>Oh, Dutch...</title>
	<author>muncadunc</author>
	<datestamp>1258796940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>gejailbreakte</i>
<br>I love it.
<br>
<br>So the only phones at risk are the jailbroken (jailbreaked?) ones?
<br>You'd think the thing to do would be to incorporate a password-changing tool into the jailbreaking tools somehow, so users have to select something other than the default one.</htmltext>
<tokenext>gejailbreakte I love it .
So the only phones at risk are the jailbroken ( jailbreaked ?
) ones ?
You 'd think the thing to do would be to incorporate a password-changing tool into the jailbreaking tools somehow , so users have to select something other than the default one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>gejailbreakte
I love it.
So the only phones at risk are the jailbroken (jailbreaked?
) ones?
You'd think the thing to do would be to incorporate a password-changing tool into the jailbreaking tools somehow, so users have to select something other than the default one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30188646</id>
	<title>Re:hmmm. passwd</title>
	<author>Sir\_Lewk</author>
	<datestamp>1258803600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The purpose of suggesting that anyone with the default password reflash their iphones is that they might already be infected, making changing the password at this point pointless.</p><p>Of course changing the default password is something that should <i>always</i> be done.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The purpose of suggesting that anyone with the default password reflash their iphones is that they might already be infected , making changing the password at this point pointless.Of course changing the default password is something that should always be done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The purpose of suggesting that anyone with the default password reflash their iphones is that they might already be infected, making changing the password at this point pointless.Of course changing the default password is something that should always be done.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30187596</id>
	<title>There's an app for that!</title>
	<author>zach\_the\_lizard</author>
	<datestamp>1258796580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Finally! Now I can tell my friends that my iPhone can run all the stuff my desktop can!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Finally !
Now I can tell my friends that my iPhone can run all the stuff my desktop can !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Finally!
Now I can tell my friends that my iPhone can run all the stuff my desktop can!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30188622</id>
	<title>What, a worm on a platform with no market share?</title>
	<author>nato10</author>
	<datestamp>1258803540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Doesn't this (finally) put to bed the notion that there are virtually no worms or viruses for Mac OS X simply because hackers don't want to waste their time on a platform with so little market share? The platform targeted by the hackers in this case -- jailbroken iphones running a particular service -- is a fraction of the installed base of Mac OS X computers. It seems that hackers (naturally) select their targets primarily based on ease of exploit -- jailbroken iphones with SSH installed with a default password, for instance, or Microsoft Windows -- than on market share, since any of these platforms still provides tens of millions of potential targets.</p><p>I think it's also important to note that the security of Mac OS X extends to the iPhone as well; hackers are apparently unable to successfully compromise the much larger installed base of iPhones, having to content themselves with the much smaller population that has been jailbroken (read, "security compromised").</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does n't this ( finally ) put to bed the notion that there are virtually no worms or viruses for Mac OS X simply because hackers do n't want to waste their time on a platform with so little market share ?
The platform targeted by the hackers in this case -- jailbroken iphones running a particular service -- is a fraction of the installed base of Mac OS X computers .
It seems that hackers ( naturally ) select their targets primarily based on ease of exploit -- jailbroken iphones with SSH installed with a default password , for instance , or Microsoft Windows -- than on market share , since any of these platforms still provides tens of millions of potential targets.I think it 's also important to note that the security of Mac OS X extends to the iPhone as well ; hackers are apparently unable to successfully compromise the much larger installed base of iPhones , having to content themselves with the much smaller population that has been jailbroken ( read , " security compromised " ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Doesn't this (finally) put to bed the notion that there are virtually no worms or viruses for Mac OS X simply because hackers don't want to waste their time on a platform with so little market share?
The platform targeted by the hackers in this case -- jailbroken iphones running a particular service -- is a fraction of the installed base of Mac OS X computers.
It seems that hackers (naturally) select their targets primarily based on ease of exploit -- jailbroken iphones with SSH installed with a default password, for instance, or Microsoft Windows -- than on market share, since any of these platforms still provides tens of millions of potential targets.I think it's also important to note that the security of Mac OS X extends to the iPhone as well; hackers are apparently unable to successfully compromise the much larger installed base of iPhones, having to content themselves with the much smaller population that has been jailbroken (read, "security compromised").</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_2023200.30189190</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second?</title>
	<author>NiceGeek</author>
	<datestamp>1258807560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>iPhone can play mp3 files no matter where they are purchased from - no DRM, and in fact most of the music sold on the iTunes store is DRM free now.</p><p>Skype has been available in the App Store for quite some time</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>iPhone can play mp3 files no matter where they are purchased from - no DRM , and in fact most of the music sold on the iTunes store is DRM free now.Skype has been available in the App Store for quite some time</tokentext>
<sentencetext>iPhone can play mp3 files no matter where they are purchased from - no DRM, and in fact most of the music sold on the iTunes store is DRM free now.Skype has been available in the App Store for quite some time</sentencetext>
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