<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_20_1513201</id>
	<title>Xbox Live Class Action Being Investigated</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1258739640000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>eldavojohn writes <i>"Were you negatively affected by the <a href="//games.slashdot.org/story/09/11/11/1821255/Microsoft-Disconnects-Modded-Xbox-Users">recent ban on Xbox Live</a> for modifying hardware you own?  Did you modify yours for homebrew or altering things you paid for and <em>not</em> to engage in piracy? Abington IP <a href="http://www.abingtonlaw.com/Xbox-Live-class-action.html?gclid=CPfl4-Tjkp4CFQ8MDQodYlHSoQ">would like to hear from you</a> and may be able to help. From that page: 'If you are an Xbox Live subscriber, had your modified Xbox console banned from Xbox Live, were not refunded a prorated sum for the time left on your subscription, or have experienced other problems as a result of being banned, and would like to participate in a class action against Microsoft, please submit your information below.' Someone is finally standing up for the legitimate hobbyists. Should Microsoft worry?"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>eldavojohn writes " Were you negatively affected by the recent ban on Xbox Live for modifying hardware you own ?
Did you modify yours for homebrew or altering things you paid for and not to engage in piracy ?
Abington IP would like to hear from you and may be able to help .
From that page : 'If you are an Xbox Live subscriber , had your modified Xbox console banned from Xbox Live , were not refunded a prorated sum for the time left on your subscription , or have experienced other problems as a result of being banned , and would like to participate in a class action against Microsoft , please submit your information below .
' Someone is finally standing up for the legitimate hobbyists .
Should Microsoft worry ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>eldavojohn writes "Were you negatively affected by the recent ban on Xbox Live for modifying hardware you own?
Did you modify yours for homebrew or altering things you paid for and not to engage in piracy?
Abington IP would like to hear from you and may be able to help.
From that page: 'If you are an Xbox Live subscriber, had your modified Xbox console banned from Xbox Live, were not refunded a prorated sum for the time left on your subscription, or have experienced other problems as a result of being banned, and would like to participate in a class action against Microsoft, please submit your information below.
' Someone is finally standing up for the legitimate hobbyists.
Should Microsoft worry?
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30174254</id>
	<title>Turning the tables...</title>
	<author>Computershack</author>
	<datestamp>1258744740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Surely Microsoft could then pursue every named person in this class action for the value of the library of pirated software they have? Those who have been blacklisted would do well to STFU and not stick their heads above the parapet.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Surely Microsoft could then pursue every named person in this class action for the value of the library of pirated software they have ?
Those who have been blacklisted would do well to STFU and not stick their heads above the parapet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Surely Microsoft could then pursue every named person in this class action for the value of the library of pirated software they have?
Those who have been blacklisted would do well to STFU and not stick their heads above the parapet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30177860</id>
	<title>Re:Worry? About what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258713720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It's no different for other services - Telephone, internet, Cable or sattelite TV, etc. If you violate the contract you made for the service, then you have absolutely no right to force the provider to continue providing the service.</p></div><p>Okay, but that still doesn't give them the right to take a shit on your telephone, computer, television, etc.  Microsoft did more here than just terminate Xbox live service to these consoles.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's no different for other services - Telephone , internet , Cable or sattelite TV , etc .
If you violate the contract you made for the service , then you have absolutely no right to force the provider to continue providing the service.Okay , but that still does n't give them the right to take a shit on your telephone , computer , television , etc .
Microsoft did more here than just terminate Xbox live service to these consoles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's no different for other services - Telephone, internet, Cable or sattelite TV, etc.
If you violate the contract you made for the service, then you have absolutely no right to force the provider to continue providing the service.Okay, but that still doesn't give them the right to take a shit on your telephone, computer, television, etc.
Microsoft did more here than just terminate Xbox live service to these consoles.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30175602</id>
	<title>Re:Worry? About what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258749000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All of what you said was correct except when you buy an xbox you do not sign a license agreement. So it is fine for them to cut you off from the contracted service (xbox live) when you break your agreement you made with them. However you never agreed that they could go and take away functionality that is xbox live neutral. That is where the issue will be. They should of just banned the users from xbox live, instead the "damaged" the users consoles and took away functionality.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All of what you said was correct except when you buy an xbox you do not sign a license agreement .
So it is fine for them to cut you off from the contracted service ( xbox live ) when you break your agreement you made with them .
However you never agreed that they could go and take away functionality that is xbox live neutral .
That is where the issue will be .
They should of just banned the users from xbox live , instead the " damaged " the users consoles and took away functionality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All of what you said was correct except when you buy an xbox you do not sign a license agreement.
So it is fine for them to cut you off from the contracted service (xbox live) when you break your agreement you made with them.
However you never agreed that they could go and take away functionality that is xbox live neutral.
That is where the issue will be.
They should of just banned the users from xbox live, instead the "damaged" the users consoles and took away functionality.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30174020</id>
	<title>Re:Worry? About what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258743960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, Microsoft should be worried.</p><p>"The Xbox360 will still work, but the Xbox Live service will not."  --- False.  Parts of offline play are disable.</p><p>If you READ the class action lawsuit, it has nothing to do with the banning from XBL, but rather the offline features that were disabled/modified as a result.</p><p>Very interesting article regarding the bannings: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2397134/analysis\_why\_microsofts\_plan\_to\_ban.html</p><p>"I was at GameStop the other day and listened to a customer's questions about Microsoft's banning of modded X-Box 360s. The worker tried to explain that this banning was for those people that hacked their X-Box 360. The customer was worried that if her child downloaded any kind of content through the X-Box 360 that this might constitute a reason for a banning for her son's system. She was confused, so she decided to purchase a PS3 instead. I was told by the manager at that GameStop that this was not an isolated incident. They had received over 50 calls that day about the banning.</p><p>What Microsoft appears to have forgotten by earmarking this time of year for the banning of modded X-Box 360s is that most of the systems that are purchased this time of year is by parents and grandparents. The game systems that are purchased this time of year are usually done by those that do not have a firm grasp on the industry. Simply put, the systems are usually purchased by people that are fairly clueless about video games."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , Microsoft should be worried .
" The Xbox360 will still work , but the Xbox Live service will not .
" --- False .
Parts of offline play are disable.If you READ the class action lawsuit , it has nothing to do with the banning from XBL , but rather the offline features that were disabled/modified as a result.Very interesting article regarding the bannings : http : //www.associatedcontent.com/article/2397134/analysis \ _why \ _microsofts \ _plan \ _to \ _ban.html " I was at GameStop the other day and listened to a customer 's questions about Microsoft 's banning of modded X-Box 360s .
The worker tried to explain that this banning was for those people that hacked their X-Box 360 .
The customer was worried that if her child downloaded any kind of content through the X-Box 360 that this might constitute a reason for a banning for her son 's system .
She was confused , so she decided to purchase a PS3 instead .
I was told by the manager at that GameStop that this was not an isolated incident .
They had received over 50 calls that day about the banning.What Microsoft appears to have forgotten by earmarking this time of year for the banning of modded X-Box 360s is that most of the systems that are purchased this time of year is by parents and grandparents .
The game systems that are purchased this time of year are usually done by those that do not have a firm grasp on the industry .
Simply put , the systems are usually purchased by people that are fairly clueless about video games .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, Microsoft should be worried.
"The Xbox360 will still work, but the Xbox Live service will not.
"  --- False.
Parts of offline play are disable.If you READ the class action lawsuit, it has nothing to do with the banning from XBL, but rather the offline features that were disabled/modified as a result.Very interesting article regarding the bannings: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2397134/analysis\_why\_microsofts\_plan\_to\_ban.html"I was at GameStop the other day and listened to a customer's questions about Microsoft's banning of modded X-Box 360s.
The worker tried to explain that this banning was for those people that hacked their X-Box 360.
The customer was worried that if her child downloaded any kind of content through the X-Box 360 that this might constitute a reason for a banning for her son's system.
She was confused, so she decided to purchase a PS3 instead.
I was told by the manager at that GameStop that this was not an isolated incident.
They had received over 50 calls that day about the banning.What Microsoft appears to have forgotten by earmarking this time of year for the banning of modded X-Box 360s is that most of the systems that are purchased this time of year is by parents and grandparents.
The game systems that are purchased this time of year are usually done by those that do not have a firm grasp on the industry.
Simply put, the systems are usually purchased by people that are fairly clueless about video games.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30174128</id>
	<title>They'll never win</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258744320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>By signing up for Live, they agreed to Microsoft's terms and conditions...period...end of story.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>By signing up for Live , they agreed to Microsoft 's terms and conditions...period...end of story .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By signing up for Live, they agreed to Microsoft's terms and conditions...period...end of story.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30174226</id>
	<title>Re:Make way for the ambulance chaser!</title>
	<author>Absolut187</author>
	<datestamp>1258744620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But the modders violated the XBL TOS agreement first by trying to connect with modded software.</p><p>Typically if you break a contract first, you can't cry when the other side breaks it too.<br>Especially if the agreement explicitly says they get to boot you without compensation, which it probably does.</p><p>Throw in the fact that they probably violated the DMCA by modding the xbox OS/BIOS.</p><p>Whether these particular plaintiffs/modders were engaged in piracy or not is irrelevant.</p><p>This case is a loser.  All it will do is (1) waste a bunch of money on legal expenses, thereby raising the cost of providing XBL, and (2) annoy MS and possibly encourage them to make it even harder to run homebrew.</p><p>Sony offered Linux as an OS option on the PS3 until they got annoyed by people breaking their systems and bitching about it..</p><p>If we want corporations to offer things like that, we need to take a look in the mirror and stop being such a pain in the arse as a community.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But the modders violated the XBL TOS agreement first by trying to connect with modded software.Typically if you break a contract first , you ca n't cry when the other side breaks it too.Especially if the agreement explicitly says they get to boot you without compensation , which it probably does.Throw in the fact that they probably violated the DMCA by modding the xbox OS/BIOS.Whether these particular plaintiffs/modders were engaged in piracy or not is irrelevant.This case is a loser .
All it will do is ( 1 ) waste a bunch of money on legal expenses , thereby raising the cost of providing XBL , and ( 2 ) annoy MS and possibly encourage them to make it even harder to run homebrew.Sony offered Linux as an OS option on the PS3 until they got annoyed by people breaking their systems and bitching about it..If we want corporations to offer things like that , we need to take a look in the mirror and stop being such a pain in the arse as a community .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But the modders violated the XBL TOS agreement first by trying to connect with modded software.Typically if you break a contract first, you can't cry when the other side breaks it too.Especially if the agreement explicitly says they get to boot you without compensation, which it probably does.Throw in the fact that they probably violated the DMCA by modding the xbox OS/BIOS.Whether these particular plaintiffs/modders were engaged in piracy or not is irrelevant.This case is a loser.
All it will do is (1) waste a bunch of money on legal expenses, thereby raising the cost of providing XBL, and (2) annoy MS and possibly encourage them to make it even harder to run homebrew.Sony offered Linux as an OS option on the PS3 until they got annoyed by people breaking their systems and bitching about it..If we want corporations to offer things like that, we need to take a look in the mirror and stop being such a pain in the arse as a community.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30175634</id>
	<title>Re:Not just banned from XBox Live...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258749060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sure this makes sense. Sony's PSP has a feature where discs can force a system update or you can't play the game. Part of that system update could be to check for some modding and subsequently screw over your system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure this makes sense .
Sony 's PSP has a feature where discs can force a system update or you ca n't play the game .
Part of that system update could be to check for some modding and subsequently screw over your system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure this makes sense.
Sony's PSP has a feature where discs can force a system update or you can't play the game.
Part of that system update could be to check for some modding and subsequently screw over your system.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30173852</id>
	<title>XNA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258743420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why would people need to hack the Xbox when Microsoft provides the XNA development environment?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would people need to hack the Xbox when Microsoft provides the XNA development environment ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would people need to hack the Xbox when Microsoft provides the XNA development environment?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30175370</id>
	<title>Sorry.</title>
	<author>Torodung</author>
	<datestamp>1258748340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just tagged this puppy "snowballinhell" because that's the chance such a suit has. Plaintiffs agreed to the terms of the service. Plaintiffs agreed that termination by terms of the service was "at will" for "any reason." There isn't a court in this country would find for such a Plaintiff.</p><p>You don't have a right to "XBox Live" and your hardware still works for any other purpose. They didn't brick your box, did they?</p><p>I sympathize, but ultimately, IMHO, this isn't remotely actionable. IANAL.</p><p>--<br>Toro</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just tagged this puppy " snowballinhell " because that 's the chance such a suit has .
Plaintiffs agreed to the terms of the service .
Plaintiffs agreed that termination by terms of the service was " at will " for " any reason .
" There is n't a court in this country would find for such a Plaintiff.You do n't have a right to " XBox Live " and your hardware still works for any other purpose .
They did n't brick your box , did they ? I sympathize , but ultimately , IMHO , this is n't remotely actionable .
IANAL.--Toro</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just tagged this puppy "snowballinhell" because that's the chance such a suit has.
Plaintiffs agreed to the terms of the service.
Plaintiffs agreed that termination by terms of the service was "at will" for "any reason.
" There isn't a court in this country would find for such a Plaintiff.You don't have a right to "XBox Live" and your hardware still works for any other purpose.
They didn't brick your box, did they?I sympathize, but ultimately, IMHO, this isn't remotely actionable.
IANAL.--Toro</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30175272</id>
	<title>Re:Worry? About what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258747920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right. Some woman ("her") had that concern? That's because someone put it there, and confused her about it.</p><p>What the article fails to mention is that the kid's will ask for the Xbox 360, or PS3, and the parents and grand parents will go out and buy it.  Maybe one out of ten will have a marginal understanding of the goings-on of the industry.  The rest will be at the behest of the salespeople, or the few articles, like the one mentioned above, which they happen to read.</p><p>Any article that is decently written will explain the issue clearly; the referenced article is not one such article.  It provided one example of an interested customer who had a salesperson poorly explain the last issue, which they (neither one, apparently) did not understand.  Explaining the difference between legally downloading something and modifying the system is not exactly the difference only known to rocket scientists.  It all boils down to actively trying to change the system in an unintended manner.  Downloading anything provided by the Xbox Live service would not qualify as unintended changes.</p><p>This will not hurt Microsoft, and actually, I am pleased and more willing to suggest the service to others as a result of it.</p><p>I am tired of cheaters, and modders are the bulk of them (the remainder are modders that go uncaught, and those that just abuse bugs in the game, rather than something even more devious).  They killed PC gaming for me (non-subscription based services anyway, such as Counter-Strike), and Microsoft needs to do stuff like this to stop it from destroying their service.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right .
Some woman ( " her " ) had that concern ?
That 's because someone put it there , and confused her about it.What the article fails to mention is that the kid 's will ask for the Xbox 360 , or PS3 , and the parents and grand parents will go out and buy it .
Maybe one out of ten will have a marginal understanding of the goings-on of the industry .
The rest will be at the behest of the salespeople , or the few articles , like the one mentioned above , which they happen to read.Any article that is decently written will explain the issue clearly ; the referenced article is not one such article .
It provided one example of an interested customer who had a salesperson poorly explain the last issue , which they ( neither one , apparently ) did not understand .
Explaining the difference between legally downloading something and modifying the system is not exactly the difference only known to rocket scientists .
It all boils down to actively trying to change the system in an unintended manner .
Downloading anything provided by the Xbox Live service would not qualify as unintended changes.This will not hurt Microsoft , and actually , I am pleased and more willing to suggest the service to others as a result of it.I am tired of cheaters , and modders are the bulk of them ( the remainder are modders that go uncaught , and those that just abuse bugs in the game , rather than something even more devious ) .
They killed PC gaming for me ( non-subscription based services anyway , such as Counter-Strike ) , and Microsoft needs to do stuff like this to stop it from destroying their service .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right.
Some woman ("her") had that concern?
That's because someone put it there, and confused her about it.What the article fails to mention is that the kid's will ask for the Xbox 360, or PS3, and the parents and grand parents will go out and buy it.
Maybe one out of ten will have a marginal understanding of the goings-on of the industry.
The rest will be at the behest of the salespeople, or the few articles, like the one mentioned above, which they happen to read.Any article that is decently written will explain the issue clearly; the referenced article is not one such article.
It provided one example of an interested customer who had a salesperson poorly explain the last issue, which they (neither one, apparently) did not understand.
Explaining the difference between legally downloading something and modifying the system is not exactly the difference only known to rocket scientists.
It all boils down to actively trying to change the system in an unintended manner.
Downloading anything provided by the Xbox Live service would not qualify as unintended changes.This will not hurt Microsoft, and actually, I am pleased and more willing to suggest the service to others as a result of it.I am tired of cheaters, and modders are the bulk of them (the remainder are modders that go uncaught, and those that just abuse bugs in the game, rather than something even more devious).
They killed PC gaming for me (non-subscription based services anyway, such as Counter-Strike), and Microsoft needs to do stuff like this to stop it from destroying their service.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30174888</id>
	<title>Seems pretty straight forward in the TOS</title>
	<author>jim\_v2000</author>
	<datestamp>1258746780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Service may only be accessed with an original Xbox, an Xbox 360 console, a personal computer, or other device authorized by us, or by logging into your account via Xbox.com .  <b>You agree</b> that you are using <b>only authorized software and hardware</b> to access the Service, that your software and <b>hardware have not been modified</b> in any unauthorized way (e.g., through unauthorized repairs, unauthorized upgrades, or unauthorized downloads), and that <b>we have the right to send data , applications or other content to any software or hardware that you are using to access the Service for the express purpose of detecting an unauthorized modification</b>.  Any attempt to disassemble, decompile, create derivative works of, reverse engineer, modify, further sublicense, distribute, or use for other purposes the Service, any game , application, or other content available or accessible through the Service, or any hardware or software associated with the Service or with an original Xbox or Xbox 360 console is strictly prohibited and may <b>result in cancellation of your account and/or your ability to access the Service</b>, and the pursuit of other legal remedies by Microsoft.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Service may only be accessed with an original Xbox , an Xbox 360 console , a personal computer , or other device authorized by us , or by logging into your account via Xbox.com .
You agree that you are using only authorized software and hardware to access the Service , that your software and hardware have not been modified in any unauthorized way ( e.g. , through unauthorized repairs , unauthorized upgrades , or unauthorized downloads ) , and that we have the right to send data , applications or other content to any software or hardware that you are using to access the Service for the express purpose of detecting an unauthorized modification .
Any attempt to disassemble , decompile , create derivative works of , reverse engineer , modify , further sublicense , distribute , or use for other purposes the Service , any game , application , or other content available or accessible through the Service , or any hardware or software associated with the Service or with an original Xbox or Xbox 360 console is strictly prohibited and may result in cancellation of your account and/or your ability to access the Service , and the pursuit of other legal remedies by Microsoft .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Service may only be accessed with an original Xbox, an Xbox 360 console, a personal computer, or other device authorized by us, or by logging into your account via Xbox.com .
You agree that you are using only authorized software and hardware to access the Service, that your software and hardware have not been modified in any unauthorized way (e.g., through unauthorized repairs, unauthorized upgrades, or unauthorized downloads), and that we have the right to send data , applications or other content to any software or hardware that you are using to access the Service for the express purpose of detecting an unauthorized modification.
Any attempt to disassemble, decompile, create derivative works of, reverse engineer, modify, further sublicense, distribute, or use for other purposes the Service, any game , application, or other content available or accessible through the Service, or any hardware or software associated with the Service or with an original Xbox or Xbox 360 console is strictly prohibited and may result in cancellation of your account and/or your ability to access the Service, and the pursuit of other legal remedies by Microsoft.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30180420</id>
	<title>Bullshit lawsuit that further clogs the legal sys.</title>
	<author>Doug52392</author>
	<datestamp>1258725120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You buy an Xbox 360. You plug it in. You go through the setup screens, then crate an Xbox Live account, which binds you to Microsoft's EULA, which specifically states that you are not allowed to mod the console. You mod the console anyway. You get banned for violating the EULA.</p><p>Simple, logical, legal. Lawsuits like this simply clog the American legal system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You buy an Xbox 360 .
You plug it in .
You go through the setup screens , then crate an Xbox Live account , which binds you to Microsoft 's EULA , which specifically states that you are not allowed to mod the console .
You mod the console anyway .
You get banned for violating the EULA.Simple , logical , legal .
Lawsuits like this simply clog the American legal system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You buy an Xbox 360.
You plug it in.
You go through the setup screens, then crate an Xbox Live account, which binds you to Microsoft's EULA, which specifically states that you are not allowed to mod the console.
You mod the console anyway.
You get banned for violating the EULA.Simple, logical, legal.
Lawsuits like this simply clog the American legal system.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30174672</id>
	<title>Re:Not just banned from XBox Live...</title>
	<author>coolsnowmen</author>
	<datestamp>1258746060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...it also disables functionality to install games on the included HDD! Games already installed on that HDD will not be accessible anymore....</p></div><p> (Assuming I'm reading this correctly) This would be a huge deal if it weren't for the fact that you can still play these games on any non-modded Xbox360 by signing in and re-downloading them.</p><p>That being said, while I understand banning them from signing into xbox live with that modded xbox, I really don't understand locking out the HDD.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...it also disables functionality to install games on the included HDD !
Games already installed on that HDD will not be accessible anymore.... ( Assuming I 'm reading this correctly ) This would be a huge deal if it were n't for the fact that you can still play these games on any non-modded Xbox360 by signing in and re-downloading them.That being said , while I understand banning them from signing into xbox live with that modded xbox , I really do n't understand locking out the HDD .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...it also disables functionality to install games on the included HDD!
Games already installed on that HDD will not be accessible anymore.... (Assuming I'm reading this correctly) This would be a huge deal if it weren't for the fact that you can still play these games on any non-modded Xbox360 by signing in and re-downloading them.That being said, while I understand banning them from signing into xbox live with that modded xbox, I really don't understand locking out the HDD.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30173888</id>
	<title>Make way for the ambulance chaser!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258743540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Should Microsoft worry?</i></p><p>Not in the least.  Microsoft did not tell you that you cannot use your modded Xbox, nor did they do anything to it that prevents you from using it.  All they did was said you can't use it on servers that they own.  And there are rulings all the way up to SCOTUS that says he who owns the servers controls who is allowed to use them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Should Microsoft worry ? Not in the least .
Microsoft did not tell you that you can not use your modded Xbox , nor did they do anything to it that prevents you from using it .
All they did was said you ca n't use it on servers that they own .
And there are rulings all the way up to SCOTUS that says he who owns the servers controls who is allowed to use them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Should Microsoft worry?Not in the least.
Microsoft did not tell you that you cannot use your modded Xbox, nor did they do anything to it that prevents you from using it.
All they did was said you can't use it on servers that they own.
And there are rulings all the way up to SCOTUS that says he who owns the servers controls who is allowed to use them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30174040</id>
	<title>Re:Worry? About what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258744020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm no legal eagle... Can you explain why a company can ban you from service because you modified your machine? It makes sense to ban if they were connecting to their live network using dubious means, or trying to use the network in illegal ways... But I don't understand why a fourth party can ban how you using a third party's product?</p><p>Live is not responsible for pirated content. MS isn't liable for what you do to your machine (and the warranties expressly state it). Does it seem ethically gray to ban people from using your network based solely on something that isn't about how you're using the network?</p><p>[scratches head]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm no legal eagle... Can you explain why a company can ban you from service because you modified your machine ?
It makes sense to ban if they were connecting to their live network using dubious means , or trying to use the network in illegal ways... But I do n't understand why a fourth party can ban how you using a third party 's product ? Live is not responsible for pirated content .
MS is n't liable for what you do to your machine ( and the warranties expressly state it ) .
Does it seem ethically gray to ban people from using your network based solely on something that is n't about how you 're using the network ?
[ scratches head ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm no legal eagle... Can you explain why a company can ban you from service because you modified your machine?
It makes sense to ban if they were connecting to their live network using dubious means, or trying to use the network in illegal ways... But I don't understand why a fourth party can ban how you using a third party's product?Live is not responsible for pirated content.
MS isn't liable for what you do to your machine (and the warranties expressly state it).
Does it seem ethically gray to ban people from using your network based solely on something that isn't about how you're using the network?
[scratches head]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30176768</id>
	<title>Legitimate hobbyists LOL</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258710120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Everyone knows the one reason people mod Xbox360.  Piracy.  There aren't more than a handful of legitimate homebrew Xbox360 apps, and many of those require downloading ROM images.  So yes, please go ahead and join this lawsuit and submit your personal information.  Doing so amounts to little more than admitting to copyright infringement.  Just don't be surprised if you get a call from gaming industry lawyers looking to sue you for pirating games.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Everyone knows the one reason people mod Xbox360 .
Piracy. There are n't more than a handful of legitimate homebrew Xbox360 apps , and many of those require downloading ROM images .
So yes , please go ahead and join this lawsuit and submit your personal information .
Doing so amounts to little more than admitting to copyright infringement .
Just do n't be surprised if you get a call from gaming industry lawyers looking to sue you for pirating games .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everyone knows the one reason people mod Xbox360.
Piracy.  There aren't more than a handful of legitimate homebrew Xbox360 apps, and many of those require downloading ROM images.
So yes, please go ahead and join this lawsuit and submit your personal information.
Doing so amounts to little more than admitting to copyright infringement.
Just don't be surprised if you get a call from gaming industry lawyers looking to sue you for pirating games.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30175344</id>
	<title>Re:Make way for the ambulance chaser!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258748280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Someone didn't read the article (a few people I'm guessing since you're sitting at +5). This suit is about features of the Xbox itself that have been disabled as well, as a result of this wave of bans. Removing the ability to copy games to the hard drive, or having your saved games marked as corrupt was little more than spiteful and MS deserve a serious slap for it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Someone did n't read the article ( a few people I 'm guessing since you 're sitting at + 5 ) .
This suit is about features of the Xbox itself that have been disabled as well , as a result of this wave of bans .
Removing the ability to copy games to the hard drive , or having your saved games marked as corrupt was little more than spiteful and MS deserve a serious slap for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Someone didn't read the article (a few people I'm guessing since you're sitting at +5).
This suit is about features of the Xbox itself that have been disabled as well, as a result of this wave of bans.
Removing the ability to copy games to the hard drive, or having your saved games marked as corrupt was little more than spiteful and MS deserve a serious slap for it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30177512</id>
	<title>Homebrew</title>
	<author>rennerik</author>
	<datestamp>1258712400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I thought the homebrew argument had no merit because of the X-Box SDK and it being free to download from Microsoft, and you can distribute your applications... so the only reason to mod a console is to play pirated games.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought the homebrew argument had no merit because of the X-Box SDK and it being free to download from Microsoft , and you can distribute your applications... so the only reason to mod a console is to play pirated games .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought the homebrew argument had no merit because of the X-Box SDK and it being free to download from Microsoft, and you can distribute your applications... so the only reason to mod a console is to play pirated games.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30174112</id>
	<title>Re:As if it's limited to that...</title>
	<author>houstonbofh</author>
	<datestamp>1258744320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You should not be surprised.  Look at all the WGA false positives.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You should not be surprised .
Look at all the WGA false positives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You should not be surprised.
Look at all the WGA false positives.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30174284</id>
	<title>Re:Not just banned from XBox Live...</title>
	<author>radish</author>
	<datestamp>1258744800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>However, this time the ban does not just kick you off online multiplayer, it also disables functionality to install games on the included HDD! Games already installed on that HDD will not be accessible anymore</i><br>So what? The HD install feature only exists to speed up load times, you still need the original disc in the drive to play. That is, if you haven't modded the box. See where they're going with this? If you modded your box you're still perfectly able to play any legitimate game discs you happen to have.</p><p><i>Also: it is rumored that it is possible for MS to band your console through future (mandatory) updates on game discs, even if you never played online. The technical capabilites are there, but if they ever start doing that their XBL-TOS-argument will be seriously flawed.<br></i><br>That makes no sense. If you don't connect to live they've got nothing to ban you from.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>However , this time the ban does not just kick you off online multiplayer , it also disables functionality to install games on the included HDD !
Games already installed on that HDD will not be accessible anymoreSo what ?
The HD install feature only exists to speed up load times , you still need the original disc in the drive to play .
That is , if you have n't modded the box .
See where they 're going with this ?
If you modded your box you 're still perfectly able to play any legitimate game discs you happen to have.Also : it is rumored that it is possible for MS to band your console through future ( mandatory ) updates on game discs , even if you never played online .
The technical capabilites are there , but if they ever start doing that their XBL-TOS-argument will be seriously flawed.That makes no sense .
If you do n't connect to live they 've got nothing to ban you from .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>However, this time the ban does not just kick you off online multiplayer, it also disables functionality to install games on the included HDD!
Games already installed on that HDD will not be accessible anymoreSo what?
The HD install feature only exists to speed up load times, you still need the original disc in the drive to play.
That is, if you haven't modded the box.
See where they're going with this?
If you modded your box you're still perfectly able to play any legitimate game discs you happen to have.Also: it is rumored that it is possible for MS to band your console through future (mandatory) updates on game discs, even if you never played online.
The technical capabilites are there, but if they ever start doing that their XBL-TOS-argument will be seriously flawed.That makes no sense.
If you don't connect to live they've got nothing to ban you from.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30178192</id>
	<title>HomeBrewer</title>
	<author>CrashExL</author>
	<datestamp>1258714740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's called homebrew...<br> <br>

Brew something up to emulate the service on a private network...</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's called homebrew.. . Brew something up to emulate the service on a private network.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's called homebrew... 

Brew something up to emulate the service on a private network...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30174030</id>
	<title>Re:Make way for the ambulance chaser!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258743960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think the problem that is being raised is that MS agreed to allow the users to use the servers for a set amount of time and cost.  MS terminated that agreement without reimbursing some of the users for the time they already paid for.  While they do have the right to control who has access, the lawsuit is saying that MS does not have the right to end their paid agreement early without returning the money they accepted.<br> <br>
I didn't read the article and I'm not a lawyer, but I do pretend sometimes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the problem that is being raised is that MS agreed to allow the users to use the servers for a set amount of time and cost .
MS terminated that agreement without reimbursing some of the users for the time they already paid for .
While they do have the right to control who has access , the lawsuit is saying that MS does not have the right to end their paid agreement early without returning the money they accepted .
I did n't read the article and I 'm not a lawyer , but I do pretend sometimes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the problem that is being raised is that MS agreed to allow the users to use the servers for a set amount of time and cost.
MS terminated that agreement without reimbursing some of the users for the time they already paid for.
While they do have the right to control who has access, the lawsuit is saying that MS does not have the right to end their paid agreement early without returning the money they accepted.
I didn't read the article and I'm not a lawyer, but I do pretend sometimes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30175656</id>
	<title>Re:Worry? About what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258749180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"The customer was worried that if her child downloaded any kind of content through the X-Box 360 that this might constitute a reason for a banning for her son's system. She was confused, so she decided to purchase a PS3 instead."</p><p>So GameStop deliberatly confused that customer by omitting that there's simply no way you could ever 'mod' your console by accident? Clearly, Microsoft is at fault here...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The customer was worried that if her child downloaded any kind of content through the X-Box 360 that this might constitute a reason for a banning for her son 's system .
She was confused , so she decided to purchase a PS3 instead .
" So GameStop deliberatly confused that customer by omitting that there 's simply no way you could ever 'mod ' your console by accident ?
Clearly , Microsoft is at fault here.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The customer was worried that if her child downloaded any kind of content through the X-Box 360 that this might constitute a reason for a banning for her son's system.
She was confused, so she decided to purchase a PS3 instead.
"So GameStop deliberatly confused that customer by omitting that there's simply no way you could ever 'mod' your console by accident?
Clearly, Microsoft is at fault here...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30174556</id>
	<title>Movie playback</title>
	<author>phorm</author>
	<datestamp>1258745760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use my 360 to play certain movies from my media repository. Doing so requires codecs that don't come standard on the 360 (DivX, whatever). There is no easy way (actually no way I know of), to update the codecs on the machine without using XBL.</p><p>OK, so one's thoughts would be that once you've updated the 360, you don't need XBL anyhow. But unfortunately, it seems that the codecs are tied to the XBL account. I can't play my vids without logging into that account whenever I need the codecs. I'd imagine that if it were banned that would be something of an issue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use my 360 to play certain movies from my media repository .
Doing so requires codecs that do n't come standard on the 360 ( DivX , whatever ) .
There is no easy way ( actually no way I know of ) , to update the codecs on the machine without using XBL.OK , so one 's thoughts would be that once you 've updated the 360 , you do n't need XBL anyhow .
But unfortunately , it seems that the codecs are tied to the XBL account .
I ca n't play my vids without logging into that account whenever I need the codecs .
I 'd imagine that if it were banned that would be something of an issue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use my 360 to play certain movies from my media repository.
Doing so requires codecs that don't come standard on the 360 (DivX, whatever).
There is no easy way (actually no way I know of), to update the codecs on the machine without using XBL.OK, so one's thoughts would be that once you've updated the 360, you don't need XBL anyhow.
But unfortunately, it seems that the codecs are tied to the XBL account.
I can't play my vids without logging into that account whenever I need the codecs.
I'd imagine that if it were banned that would be something of an issue.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30173826</id>
	<title>lol @ 'finally standing up'</title>
	<author>mnslinky</author>
	<datestamp>1258743360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>These class-action lawsuits only serve one purpose - to make the lawfirm originating the class action a boatload of cash.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>These class-action lawsuits only serve one purpose - to make the lawfirm originating the class action a boatload of cash .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These class-action lawsuits only serve one purpose - to make the lawfirm originating the class action a boatload of cash.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30177732</id>
	<title>Re:Not just banned from XBox Live...</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1258713240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>However, this time the ban does not just kick you off online multiplayer, it also disables functionality to install games on the included HDD! Games</i></p><p>Yes, that's an Xbox Live feature. Disconnecting you from XBL disables an XBL feature? SHOCKING!</p><p><i>Games already installed on that HDD will not be accessible anymore.</i></p><p>You need the disk to play them anyway. Just delete it from your console's memory blade, then shove the disk in. And stop whining.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>However , this time the ban does not just kick you off online multiplayer , it also disables functionality to install games on the included HDD !
GamesYes , that 's an Xbox Live feature .
Disconnecting you from XBL disables an XBL feature ?
SHOCKING ! Games already installed on that HDD will not be accessible anymore.You need the disk to play them anyway .
Just delete it from your console 's memory blade , then shove the disk in .
And stop whining .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>However, this time the ban does not just kick you off online multiplayer, it also disables functionality to install games on the included HDD!
GamesYes, that's an Xbox Live feature.
Disconnecting you from XBL disables an XBL feature?
SHOCKING!Games already installed on that HDD will not be accessible anymore.You need the disk to play them anyway.
Just delete it from your console's memory blade, then shove the disk in.
And stop whining.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30174102</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing to worry about</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258744260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree with this 100\%. I bought my xbox360 and my live subsciption because I truly enjoy the experience in something MS has finally gotten right. To everyone that was banned I just have to say "Did any of you actually read the EULA that you agreed to?" all this is laid out in clear language when you first sign on to Xbox Live. You cannot mod your xbox in anyway or you don't get Xbox live its that simple. This has allowed xbox live to be a truly even playing field for anyone that wants to play because no one has to worry about people using hacks to cheat at games. I'm no MS troll because the only MS machines I run are virtual inside of Ubuntu/Kubuntu machines. If you wanted to mod you boxes you should have got two machines one to be your toy and the other to go on live.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree with this 100 \ % .
I bought my xbox360 and my live subsciption because I truly enjoy the experience in something MS has finally gotten right .
To everyone that was banned I just have to say " Did any of you actually read the EULA that you agreed to ?
" all this is laid out in clear language when you first sign on to Xbox Live .
You can not mod your xbox in anyway or you do n't get Xbox live its that simple .
This has allowed xbox live to be a truly even playing field for anyone that wants to play because no one has to worry about people using hacks to cheat at games .
I 'm no MS troll because the only MS machines I run are virtual inside of Ubuntu/Kubuntu machines .
If you wanted to mod you boxes you should have got two machines one to be your toy and the other to go on live .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree with this 100\%.
I bought my xbox360 and my live subsciption because I truly enjoy the experience in something MS has finally gotten right.
To everyone that was banned I just have to say "Did any of you actually read the EULA that you agreed to?
" all this is laid out in clear language when you first sign on to Xbox Live.
You cannot mod your xbox in anyway or you don't get Xbox live its that simple.
This has allowed xbox live to be a truly even playing field for anyone that wants to play because no one has to worry about people using hacks to cheat at games.
I'm no MS troll because the only MS machines I run are virtual inside of Ubuntu/Kubuntu machines.
If you wanted to mod you boxes you should have got two machines one to be your toy and the other to go on live.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30175392</id>
	<title>Re:Movie playback</title>
	<author>daveime</author>
	<datestamp>1258748400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Doing so requires codecs that don't come standard on the 360</i></p><p>Exactly<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... as a benefit of using the Live service, you could get *extra* codecs etc to play non-standard formatted movies.</p><p>Once you broke the contract with them by modding your box, you lost the benefits of that service.</p><p>You see how that works ?</p><p>Your complaint is like losing your cable service, and then wondering where you'll put your bag of nachos now you don't have a decoder box anymore to use as a table. Completely irrelevant to the reason *why* you lost the service in the first place, and certainly not the problem of the cable company.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Doing so requires codecs that do n't come standard on the 360Exactly ... as a benefit of using the Live service , you could get * extra * codecs etc to play non-standard formatted movies.Once you broke the contract with them by modding your box , you lost the benefits of that service.You see how that works ? Your complaint is like losing your cable service , and then wondering where you 'll put your bag of nachos now you do n't have a decoder box anymore to use as a table .
Completely irrelevant to the reason * why * you lost the service in the first place , and certainly not the problem of the cable company .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Doing so requires codecs that don't come standard on the 360Exactly ... as a benefit of using the Live service, you could get *extra* codecs etc to play non-standard formatted movies.Once you broke the contract with them by modding your box, you lost the benefits of that service.You see how that works ?Your complaint is like losing your cable service, and then wondering where you'll put your bag of nachos now you don't have a decoder box anymore to use as a table.
Completely irrelevant to the reason *why* you lost the service in the first place, and certainly not the problem of the cable company.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30179576</id>
	<title>There is not a single person...</title>
	<author>pcardno</author>
	<datestamp>1258720560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>.. that thinks that modding their XBOX is a legal, entirely brilliant thing to do that has no repercussions.

As has been said, for hobbyists there are kits already out there that don't involve modding. And if you do have to break the TOC for modding, then you're likely to be interested enough to have both a Dev / QA box (that you're modding on) and a Production box (unmodded to ensure your creations will work for all).

I agree that hardware should be free. And in this case, it is. It's entirely free. Just don't try and connect some random hardware that you've soldered all manner of crap onto to someone else's network. You wouldn't allow that on a corporate network, so why should MS have to allow it on their gaming network?</htmltext>
<tokenext>.. that thinks that modding their XBOX is a legal , entirely brilliant thing to do that has no repercussions .
As has been said , for hobbyists there are kits already out there that do n't involve modding .
And if you do have to break the TOC for modding , then you 're likely to be interested enough to have both a Dev / QA box ( that you 're modding on ) and a Production box ( unmodded to ensure your creations will work for all ) .
I agree that hardware should be free .
And in this case , it is .
It 's entirely free .
Just do n't try and connect some random hardware that you 've soldered all manner of crap onto to someone else 's network .
You would n't allow that on a corporate network , so why should MS have to allow it on their gaming network ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.. that thinks that modding their XBOX is a legal, entirely brilliant thing to do that has no repercussions.
As has been said, for hobbyists there are kits already out there that don't involve modding.
And if you do have to break the TOC for modding, then you're likely to be interested enough to have both a Dev / QA box (that you're modding on) and a Production box (unmodded to ensure your creations will work for all).
I agree that hardware should be free.
And in this case, it is.
It's entirely free.
Just don't try and connect some random hardware that you've soldered all manner of crap onto to someone else's network.
You wouldn't allow that on a corporate network, so why should MS have to allow it on their gaming network?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30173850</id>
	<title>As if it's limited to that...</title>
	<author>John Pfeiffer</author>
	<datestamp>1258743420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hell, I know people who had their consoles banned for no reason and MS told them to go take a leap.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hell , I know people who had their consoles banned for no reason and MS told them to go take a leap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hell, I know people who had their consoles banned for no reason and MS told them to go take a leap.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30176014</id>
	<title>Online vs Offline XBL?</title>
	<author>crackerjack911</author>
	<datestamp>1258750560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was an XBL Silver member, never having played a game over the XBL service.  I used my system for single player games and local multiplayer.  In order to get updates for your xbox, you are required to have an XBL account (or buy a game that has the updates on the disc many months later).  I also enjoyed modding games with my PC, so my system was modified.  Last week I found I was banned and thus am unable to obtain any further updates on my system.</p><p>If this ban wave was made to keep the XBL service free of people altering gameplay in multiplayer games, then why would they bother banning a system that has never once been involved in a multiplayer game?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was an XBL Silver member , never having played a game over the XBL service .
I used my system for single player games and local multiplayer .
In order to get updates for your xbox , you are required to have an XBL account ( or buy a game that has the updates on the disc many months later ) .
I also enjoyed modding games with my PC , so my system was modified .
Last week I found I was banned and thus am unable to obtain any further updates on my system.If this ban wave was made to keep the XBL service free of people altering gameplay in multiplayer games , then why would they bother banning a system that has never once been involved in a multiplayer game ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was an XBL Silver member, never having played a game over the XBL service.
I used my system for single player games and local multiplayer.
In order to get updates for your xbox, you are required to have an XBL account (or buy a game that has the updates on the disc many months later).
I also enjoyed modding games with my PC, so my system was modified.
Last week I found I was banned and thus am unable to obtain any further updates on my system.If this ban wave was made to keep the XBL service free of people altering gameplay in multiplayer games, then why would they bother banning a system that has never once been involved in a multiplayer game?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30203152</id>
	<title>Re:Not just banned from XBox Live...</title>
	<author>brkello</author>
	<datestamp>1258998000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I know, it is awful!  Piracy having consequences!  The sky is falling!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know , it is awful !
Piracy having consequences !
The sky is falling !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know, it is awful!
Piracy having consequences!
The sky is falling!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30174098</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30174522</id>
	<title>Wheres the 'YouveGottaBeKidding' tag?</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1258745580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30175852</id>
	<title>VISA</title>
	<author>fulldecent</author>
	<datestamp>1258749840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just call Visa and reverse the charge.</p><p>What's the problem?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just call Visa and reverse the charge.What 's the problem ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just call Visa and reverse the charge.What's the problem?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30174018</id>
	<title>Terms of use seem pretty clear</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258743960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The terms of use seem pretty clear:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The Service may only be accessed with an original Xbox, an Xbox 360 console, a personal computer, or other device authorized by us, or by logging into your account via Xbox.com .  You agree that you are using only authorized software and hardware to access the Service, that your software and hardware have not been modified in any unauthorized way (e.g., through unauthorized repairs, unauthorized upgrades, or unauthorized downloads</p><p>Refund Policies.  Unless otherwise provided by law or in connection with any particular Service offer, all charges are non-refundable and the costs of any returns will be at your expense.  There are, however, certain circumstances under which you may be entitled to a refund for certain Services.</p></div><p>So what part of that seems unclear enough that it warrants a lawsuit? If you don't agree with terms of use, don't sign up for the service then whine when they catch you violating the terms of service and terminate your account.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The terms of use seem pretty clear : The Service may only be accessed with an original Xbox , an Xbox 360 console , a personal computer , or other device authorized by us , or by logging into your account via Xbox.com .
You agree that you are using only authorized software and hardware to access the Service , that your software and hardware have not been modified in any unauthorized way ( e.g. , through unauthorized repairs , unauthorized upgrades , or unauthorized downloadsRefund Policies .
Unless otherwise provided by law or in connection with any particular Service offer , all charges are non-refundable and the costs of any returns will be at your expense .
There are , however , certain circumstances under which you may be entitled to a refund for certain Services.So what part of that seems unclear enough that it warrants a lawsuit ?
If you do n't agree with terms of use , do n't sign up for the service then whine when they catch you violating the terms of service and terminate your account .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The terms of use seem pretty clear:The Service may only be accessed with an original Xbox, an Xbox 360 console, a personal computer, or other device authorized by us, or by logging into your account via Xbox.com .
You agree that you are using only authorized software and hardware to access the Service, that your software and hardware have not been modified in any unauthorized way (e.g., through unauthorized repairs, unauthorized upgrades, or unauthorized downloadsRefund Policies.
Unless otherwise provided by law or in connection with any particular Service offer, all charges are non-refundable and the costs of any returns will be at your expense.
There are, however, certain circumstances under which you may be entitled to a refund for certain Services.So what part of that seems unclear enough that it warrants a lawsuit?
If you don't agree with terms of use, don't sign up for the service then whine when they catch you violating the terms of service and terminate your account.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30174062</id>
	<title>Grow up</title>
	<author>MasseKid</author>
	<datestamp>1258744140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously.  If you want to home brew fine, there is NOTHING stopping you from buying a second console to homebrew on as long as you keep it off THEIR network.  Microsoft wants to have a service that is run on "secure" Xboxs to prevent hackers, cheaters, and pirates. This is something that is in YOUR interest, unless you think C.S. 1.6 was fun when some guy (not you) is running with the knife speed hack.  This is also something you agreed to.<br> <br>

However, you KNOWINGLY (or should have known) violated a written contract with Microsoft.  What's next, are you going to complain when the bank reposess your house because you don't pay?  You have a contract, you violated the contract, Microsoft is taking steps that YOU AGREED IT COULD TAKE when you signed the contract.  Even this law firm knows there isn't a case here, however they are now using YOU to get loads of free advertising. Wake up, grow up, or shut up.  Pick one.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously .
If you want to home brew fine , there is NOTHING stopping you from buying a second console to homebrew on as long as you keep it off THEIR network .
Microsoft wants to have a service that is run on " secure " Xboxs to prevent hackers , cheaters , and pirates .
This is something that is in YOUR interest , unless you think C.S .
1.6 was fun when some guy ( not you ) is running with the knife speed hack .
This is also something you agreed to .
However , you KNOWINGLY ( or should have known ) violated a written contract with Microsoft .
What 's next , are you going to complain when the bank reposess your house because you do n't pay ?
You have a contract , you violated the contract , Microsoft is taking steps that YOU AGREED IT COULD TAKE when you signed the contract .
Even this law firm knows there is n't a case here , however they are now using YOU to get loads of free advertising .
Wake up , grow up , or shut up .
Pick one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously.
If you want to home brew fine, there is NOTHING stopping you from buying a second console to homebrew on as long as you keep it off THEIR network.
Microsoft wants to have a service that is run on "secure" Xboxs to prevent hackers, cheaters, and pirates.
This is something that is in YOUR interest, unless you think C.S.
1.6 was fun when some guy (not you) is running with the knife speed hack.
This is also something you agreed to.
However, you KNOWINGLY (or should have known) violated a written contract with Microsoft.
What's next, are you going to complain when the bank reposess your house because you don't pay?
You have a contract, you violated the contract, Microsoft is taking steps that YOU AGREED IT COULD TAKE when you signed the contract.
Even this law firm knows there isn't a case here, however they are now using YOU to get loads of free advertising.
Wake up, grow up, or shut up.
Pick one.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30174998</id>
	<title>Re:Worry? About what?</title>
	<author>secretcurse</author>
	<datestamp>1258747140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>However, I wonder about a different scenario that would make MS even more money.  A 15 year old kid wants a 360 for Christmas, so he tells mom and dad "make sure it's a new one, because a used one might not work online."  Mom and dad don't really understand why, but they know a used system will dissapoint junior, so they spring the extra few bucks for a new system that generates revenue for MS instead of saving a few bucks and getting those used consoles that are going to be collecting dust on GameStop's shelves.

I think it would be interesting to see which of the two situations happened more, but I suppose there's not a good way to gather that data.</htmltext>
<tokenext>However , I wonder about a different scenario that would make MS even more money .
A 15 year old kid wants a 360 for Christmas , so he tells mom and dad " make sure it 's a new one , because a used one might not work online .
" Mom and dad do n't really understand why , but they know a used system will dissapoint junior , so they spring the extra few bucks for a new system that generates revenue for MS instead of saving a few bucks and getting those used consoles that are going to be collecting dust on GameStop 's shelves .
I think it would be interesting to see which of the two situations happened more , but I suppose there 's not a good way to gather that data .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>However, I wonder about a different scenario that would make MS even more money.
A 15 year old kid wants a 360 for Christmas, so he tells mom and dad "make sure it's a new one, because a used one might not work online.
"  Mom and dad don't really understand why, but they know a used system will dissapoint junior, so they spring the extra few bucks for a new system that generates revenue for MS instead of saving a few bucks and getting those used consoles that are going to be collecting dust on GameStop's shelves.
I think it would be interesting to see which of the two situations happened more, but I suppose there's not a good way to gather that data.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30174020</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30174334</id>
	<title>Re:Worry? About what?</title>
	<author>Croakus</author>
	<datestamp>1258744920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Agreed, and here's why.  All they need to do is walk into court and say, "We can only guarantee that hardware we built will operate properly with XBox Live.  Additionally, allowing user modified hardware to operate on our network may adversely affect other paying subscribers and therefore cannot be allowed."

Case dismissed.  This will go nowhere.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed , and here 's why .
All they need to do is walk into court and say , " We can only guarantee that hardware we built will operate properly with XBox Live .
Additionally , allowing user modified hardware to operate on our network may adversely affect other paying subscribers and therefore can not be allowed .
" Case dismissed .
This will go nowhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed, and here's why.
All they need to do is walk into court and say, "We can only guarantee that hardware we built will operate properly with XBox Live.
Additionally, allowing user modified hardware to operate on our network may adversely affect other paying subscribers and therefore cannot be allowed.
"

Case dismissed.
This will go nowhere.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30173856</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30174324</id>
	<title>Honesty</title>
	<author>Ash Vince</author>
	<datestamp>1258744920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I love the way they ask "Did you modify yours for homebrew or altering things you paid for and not to engage in piracy?"</p><p>Thats a laugh. Now that they have been booted off live I bet everyone is claiming they did not do it for piracy. When they were paying the money for someone to modify a new $200 piece of hardware and void its warranty were they so sure they were never going to play a cheap knock off game then.</p><p>I know if I was going to risk someone trashing a new console under those circumstances I would justify it to myself by saying that it might save me money as I could buy cheaper games for it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I love the way they ask " Did you modify yours for homebrew or altering things you paid for and not to engage in piracy ?
" Thats a laugh .
Now that they have been booted off live I bet everyone is claiming they did not do it for piracy .
When they were paying the money for someone to modify a new $ 200 piece of hardware and void its warranty were they so sure they were never going to play a cheap knock off game then.I know if I was going to risk someone trashing a new console under those circumstances I would justify it to myself by saying that it might save me money as I could buy cheaper games for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love the way they ask "Did you modify yours for homebrew or altering things you paid for and not to engage in piracy?
"Thats a laugh.
Now that they have been booted off live I bet everyone is claiming they did not do it for piracy.
When they were paying the money for someone to modify a new $200 piece of hardware and void its warranty were they so sure they were never going to play a cheap knock off game then.I know if I was going to risk someone trashing a new console under those circumstances I would justify it to myself by saying that it might save me money as I could buy cheaper games for it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30181892</id>
	<title>read the TOS</title>
	<author>juenger1701</author>
	<datestamp>1258738080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>you mod the console you can't use live there are no legitimate hobbyists running modded consoles on live either to run pirate software or cheat a game you want to play on live and console mod get 2 one to play one to hack or stop being surprised when you get banned and shut the fuck up</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you mod the console you ca n't use live there are no legitimate hobbyists running modded consoles on live either to run pirate software or cheat a game you want to play on live and console mod get 2 one to play one to hack or stop being surprised when you get banned and shut the fuck up</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you mod the console you can't use live there are no legitimate hobbyists running modded consoles on live either to run pirate software or cheat a game you want to play on live and console mod get 2 one to play one to hack or stop being surprised when you get banned and shut the fuck up</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30175584</id>
	<title>Seriously...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258748880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Look, this isn't all that different than restrictions placed on motor vehicles. You can remove the restrictor plates from your sports car, but you can't drive it on public roads for safety reasons. If you "mod" your car then you don't get tax dollars back from the government because you violated the law.

I am constantly amazed at how the internet community seems to think that nothing is taboo, and that they can justify their crappy behavior by blaming corporations. Piracy... it's not wrong because game companies make too much money. Hacking... it's their fault for not securing their servers.

All this lawsuit is going to do is force MS to clamp down even harder, which will hurt the MAJORITY of people who just want to enjoy the service without some jerk with a modded box cheating on games. But then again these people have already proved that they don't care about anyone but themselves. Let's not pretend this is some altruistic fight-the-man scenario.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Look , this is n't all that different than restrictions placed on motor vehicles .
You can remove the restrictor plates from your sports car , but you ca n't drive it on public roads for safety reasons .
If you " mod " your car then you do n't get tax dollars back from the government because you violated the law .
I am constantly amazed at how the internet community seems to think that nothing is taboo , and that they can justify their crappy behavior by blaming corporations .
Piracy... it 's not wrong because game companies make too much money .
Hacking... it 's their fault for not securing their servers .
All this lawsuit is going to do is force MS to clamp down even harder , which will hurt the MAJORITY of people who just want to enjoy the service without some jerk with a modded box cheating on games .
But then again these people have already proved that they do n't care about anyone but themselves .
Let 's not pretend this is some altruistic fight-the-man scenario .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look, this isn't all that different than restrictions placed on motor vehicles.
You can remove the restrictor plates from your sports car, but you can't drive it on public roads for safety reasons.
If you "mod" your car then you don't get tax dollars back from the government because you violated the law.
I am constantly amazed at how the internet community seems to think that nothing is taboo, and that they can justify their crappy behavior by blaming corporations.
Piracy... it's not wrong because game companies make too much money.
Hacking... it's their fault for not securing their servers.
All this lawsuit is going to do is force MS to clamp down even harder, which will hurt the MAJORITY of people who just want to enjoy the service without some jerk with a modded box cheating on games.
But then again these people have already proved that they don't care about anyone but themselves.
Let's not pretend this is some altruistic fight-the-man scenario.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30175784</id>
	<title>re:  features being revoked</title>
	<author>A.Bettik</author>
	<datestamp>1258749660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's worth noting that the features that were revoked *ARE* connected to the Live service.  You need a Live connection to install a game to the hard drive, to use the media extender, or to check your Netflix queue.  If you don't believe me, please unplug your xbox from your network and try to use these features.  They haven't removed any functionality from your console that you had when your ethernet cable was unplugged.

Whether or not those features should be gated on being connected to Xbox Live is a totally different discussion.  However, after the 'loss of these unrelated features' argument has been dissolved, the overall case is sincerely weakened.

Corrupted save games are a valid concern, as are unrefunded subscriptions (though it's possible that TOU handle the latter with ease).</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's worth noting that the features that were revoked * ARE * connected to the Live service .
You need a Live connection to install a game to the hard drive , to use the media extender , or to check your Netflix queue .
If you do n't believe me , please unplug your xbox from your network and try to use these features .
They have n't removed any functionality from your console that you had when your ethernet cable was unplugged .
Whether or not those features should be gated on being connected to Xbox Live is a totally different discussion .
However , after the 'loss of these unrelated features ' argument has been dissolved , the overall case is sincerely weakened .
Corrupted save games are a valid concern , as are unrefunded subscriptions ( though it 's possible that TOU handle the latter with ease ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's worth noting that the features that were revoked *ARE* connected to the Live service.
You need a Live connection to install a game to the hard drive, to use the media extender, or to check your Netflix queue.
If you don't believe me, please unplug your xbox from your network and try to use these features.
They haven't removed any functionality from your console that you had when your ethernet cable was unplugged.
Whether or not those features should be gated on being connected to Xbox Live is a totally different discussion.
However, after the 'loss of these unrelated features' argument has been dissolved, the overall case is sincerely weakened.
Corrupted save games are a valid concern, as are unrefunded subscriptions (though it's possible that TOU handle the latter with ease).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30174002</id>
	<title>I'm a "hobbyist" Porsche driver</title>
	<author>Kenja</author>
	<datestamp>1258743900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>who wants to join me in a class action law suite over those locks they keep putting on the doors and ignitions?
<p>
OK, not the best analogy. But I'm only on my first cup of caffeine. Bottom line is that any time I mod a console (going back to the Famicom aka Nintindo) I no longer expect the developer of said hardware to support me and in fact I expect them to actively oppose me.
</p><p>
Over the years Sony has been a better supporter of hobbyists, even going so far as to release a home brew PS1 (NET YAROZE).
</p><p>
Ah well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>who wants to join me in a class action law suite over those locks they keep putting on the doors and ignitions ?
OK , not the best analogy .
But I 'm only on my first cup of caffeine .
Bottom line is that any time I mod a console ( going back to the Famicom aka Nintindo ) I no longer expect the developer of said hardware to support me and in fact I expect them to actively oppose me .
Over the years Sony has been a better supporter of hobbyists , even going so far as to release a home brew PS1 ( NET YAROZE ) .
Ah well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>who wants to join me in a class action law suite over those locks they keep putting on the doors and ignitions?
OK, not the best analogy.
But I'm only on my first cup of caffeine.
Bottom line is that any time I mod a console (going back to the Famicom aka Nintindo) I no longer expect the developer of said hardware to support me and in fact I expect them to actively oppose me.
Over the years Sony has been a better supporter of hobbyists, even going so far as to release a home brew PS1 (NET YAROZE).
Ah well.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30174294</id>
	<title>Re:Make way for the ambulance chaser!</title>
	<author>Imagix</author>
	<datestamp>1258744800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Breach of contract.  The user had contracted to use XBL with an unmodded XBox.  The user then uses a modded XBox.  The remainder of the XBL fee is forfeit.  MS (in this case) isn't terminating the contract on a whim, the user broke the contract.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Breach of contract .
The user had contracted to use XBL with an unmodded XBox .
The user then uses a modded XBox .
The remainder of the XBL fee is forfeit .
MS ( in this case ) is n't terminating the contract on a whim , the user broke the contract .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Breach of contract.
The user had contracted to use XBL with an unmodded XBox.
The user then uses a modded XBox.
The remainder of the XBL fee is forfeit.
MS (in this case) isn't terminating the contract on a whim, the user broke the contract.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30175850</id>
	<title>lol @ "legitimate hobbyists"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258749840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You misspelled "pirates".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You misspelled " pirates " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You misspelled "pirates".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30175638</id>
	<title>Re:Seems pretty straight forward in the TOS</title>
	<author>DeadCatX2</author>
	<datestamp>1258749120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That would be great, if they were only filing suit over the loss of XBL.  The ban broke more than just XBL, though.  Among other things, it corrupted save games.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That would be great , if they were only filing suit over the loss of XBL .
The ban broke more than just XBL , though .
Among other things , it corrupted save games .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That would be great, if they were only filing suit over the loss of XBL.
The ban broke more than just XBL, though.
Among other things, it corrupted save games.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30177324</id>
	<title>Re:Modded 360s are for piracy. Period.</title>
	<author>RyuuzakiTetsuya</author>
	<datestamp>1258711800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That being said, I have a modded Xbox 1, just for XBMC, but I'm not dumb enough to try to get on the Live network with it.</p> </div><p>If you're smart enough to run and write your own code for the 360, you're probably smart enough to know not to plug it into Live, or be surprised what happens when it goes ON live.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That being said , I have a modded Xbox 1 , just for XBMC , but I 'm not dumb enough to try to get on the Live network with it .
If you 're smart enough to run and write your own code for the 360 , you 're probably smart enough to know not to plug it into Live , or be surprised what happens when it goes ON live .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That being said, I have a modded Xbox 1, just for XBMC, but I'm not dumb enough to try to get on the Live network with it.
If you're smart enough to run and write your own code for the 360, you're probably smart enough to know not to plug it into Live, or be surprised what happens when it goes ON live.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30175064</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30175760</id>
	<title>Re:Not just banned from XBox Live...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258749540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Geez.</p><p><i>However, this time the ban does not just kick you off online multiplayer, it also disables functionality to install games on the included HDD!</i></p><p>I have done exactly this on three banned xboxes.  Just two nights ago.  It still works fine.  I don't see how a menu option 'Install to HD' that still works can in any way shape or form count as 'disabled'</p><p>Just pop a game disc in, tell it to copy to HD, and there it is ready to be played.</p><p>All non-XBL content on your drive is still accessible after a ban, and any new game discs you install after will work.</p><p>The only things you lose are being able to connect to XBL, and any content that originally came from XBL.</p><p>And if it is the latter there you are complaining about, then OK I guess that is a valid complaint.<br>But it is both not what you are saying/typing, nor is it in any way against the TOS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Geez.However , this time the ban does not just kick you off online multiplayer , it also disables functionality to install games on the included HDD ! I have done exactly this on three banned xboxes .
Just two nights ago .
It still works fine .
I do n't see how a menu option 'Install to HD ' that still works can in any way shape or form count as 'disabled'Just pop a game disc in , tell it to copy to HD , and there it is ready to be played.All non-XBL content on your drive is still accessible after a ban , and any new game discs you install after will work.The only things you lose are being able to connect to XBL , and any content that originally came from XBL.And if it is the latter there you are complaining about , then OK I guess that is a valid complaint.But it is both not what you are saying/typing , nor is it in any way against the TOS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Geez.However, this time the ban does not just kick you off online multiplayer, it also disables functionality to install games on the included HDD!I have done exactly this on three banned xboxes.
Just two nights ago.
It still works fine.
I don't see how a menu option 'Install to HD' that still works can in any way shape or form count as 'disabled'Just pop a game disc in, tell it to copy to HD, and there it is ready to be played.All non-XBL content on your drive is still accessible after a ban, and any new game discs you install after will work.The only things you lose are being able to connect to XBL, and any content that originally came from XBL.And if it is the latter there you are complaining about, then OK I guess that is a valid complaint.But it is both not what you are saying/typing, nor is it in any way against the TOS.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30174492</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing to worry about</title>
	<author>csartanis</author>
	<datestamp>1258745460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, Microsoft basically "bricked" several offline features of the console.  The lawsuit has nothing to do with access to the XBL service and everything to do with the additional removal of features totally unrelated to xbox live.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , Microsoft basically " bricked " several offline features of the console .
The lawsuit has nothing to do with access to the XBL service and everything to do with the additional removal of features totally unrelated to xbox live .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, Microsoft basically "bricked" several offline features of the console.
The lawsuit has nothing to do with access to the XBL service and everything to do with the additional removal of features totally unrelated to xbox live.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30173930</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30174060</id>
	<title>Yeah, they STOP you from using your xbox! Oh, wait</title>
	<author>Shados</author>
	<datestamp>1258744140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If they bricked the console? Sure, sue them for that if they do it.<br>Banning you from a service? Lol, right. Im going to go to a 5 star restaurant in jeans and t-shirt then sue them once they kick me out. Same deal here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If they bricked the console ?
Sure , sue them for that if they do it.Banning you from a service ?
Lol , right .
Im going to go to a 5 star restaurant in jeans and t-shirt then sue them once they kick me out .
Same deal here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they bricked the console?
Sure, sue them for that if they do it.Banning you from a service?
Lol, right.
Im going to go to a 5 star restaurant in jeans and t-shirt then sue them once they kick me out.
Same deal here.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30174098</id>
	<title>Not just banned from XBox Live...</title>
	<author>Loibisch</author>
	<datestamp>1258744260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been reading the argument that people have just been banned from XBL, because modifying your console somehow violates the TOS of XBL.</p><p>However, this time the ban does not just kick you off online multiplayer, it also disables functionality to install games on the included HDD! Games already installed on that HDD will not be accessible anymore. Also, any savegame you continue playing with on the banned console will get tagged with the result that you can't copy it to any other (banned or unbanned) consoles anymore.</p><p>Since a lot of people bought the Xbox360 with the ability to install games on the internal HDD right out of the box it can be argued that MS impaired the users' hardware in some way.<br>Also: it is rumored that it is possible for MS to band your console through future (mandatory) updates on game discs, even if you never played online. The technical capabilites are there, but if they ever start doing that their XBL-TOS-argument will be seriously flawed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been reading the argument that people have just been banned from XBL , because modifying your console somehow violates the TOS of XBL.However , this time the ban does not just kick you off online multiplayer , it also disables functionality to install games on the included HDD !
Games already installed on that HDD will not be accessible anymore .
Also , any savegame you continue playing with on the banned console will get tagged with the result that you ca n't copy it to any other ( banned or unbanned ) consoles anymore.Since a lot of people bought the Xbox360 with the ability to install games on the internal HDD right out of the box it can be argued that MS impaired the users ' hardware in some way.Also : it is rumored that it is possible for MS to band your console through future ( mandatory ) updates on game discs , even if you never played online .
The technical capabilites are there , but if they ever start doing that their XBL-TOS-argument will be seriously flawed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been reading the argument that people have just been banned from XBL, because modifying your console somehow violates the TOS of XBL.However, this time the ban does not just kick you off online multiplayer, it also disables functionality to install games on the included HDD!
Games already installed on that HDD will not be accessible anymore.
Also, any savegame you continue playing with on the banned console will get tagged with the result that you can't copy it to any other (banned or unbanned) consoles anymore.Since a lot of people bought the Xbox360 with the ability to install games on the internal HDD right out of the box it can be argued that MS impaired the users' hardware in some way.Also: it is rumored that it is possible for MS to band your console through future (mandatory) updates on game discs, even if you never played online.
The technical capabilites are there, but if they ever start doing that their XBL-TOS-argument will be seriously flawed.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30175064</id>
	<title>Modded 360s are for piracy.  Period.</title>
	<author>Beelzebud</author>
	<datestamp>1258747320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There is no reason to mod an Xbox360 unless you are pirating games.   Anyone who says otherwise is a disingenuous tool.  I could understand if it was the Xbox 1, because the mods for that allowed you to run Linux, Xbox Media Center, and a host of classic game emulators (which are also in a legal grey area).   However, the only mods for 360 are about letting the DVD drive run pirated games.  That being said, I have a modded Xbox 1, just for XBMC, but I'm not dumb enough to try to get on the Live network with it.
<br>
<br>
You agree to not mod your console when you sign up for Xbox Live.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There is no reason to mod an Xbox360 unless you are pirating games .
Anyone who says otherwise is a disingenuous tool .
I could understand if it was the Xbox 1 , because the mods for that allowed you to run Linux , Xbox Media Center , and a host of classic game emulators ( which are also in a legal grey area ) .
However , the only mods for 360 are about letting the DVD drive run pirated games .
That being said , I have a modded Xbox 1 , just for XBMC , but I 'm not dumb enough to try to get on the Live network with it .
You agree to not mod your console when you sign up for Xbox Live .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is no reason to mod an Xbox360 unless you are pirating games.
Anyone who says otherwise is a disingenuous tool.
I could understand if it was the Xbox 1, because the mods for that allowed you to run Linux, Xbox Media Center, and a host of classic game emulators (which are also in a legal grey area).
However, the only mods for 360 are about letting the DVD drive run pirated games.
That being said, I have a modded Xbox 1, just for XBMC, but I'm not dumb enough to try to get on the Live network with it.
You agree to not mod your console when you sign up for Xbox Live.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30176436</id>
	<title>Terms of Service</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258708860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Microsoft isn't coming down on "hobbyists", they are coming down on folks that choose to violate the terms of service for XBox Live, that's all.  I say "hobby away", just don't violate the terms of service on XBox Live.  Keep an un"hobbied" Xbox around for that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft is n't coming down on " hobbyists " , they are coming down on folks that choose to violate the terms of service for XBox Live , that 's all .
I say " hobby away " , just do n't violate the terms of service on XBox Live .
Keep an un " hobbied " Xbox around for that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft isn't coming down on "hobbyists", they are coming down on folks that choose to violate the terms of service for XBox Live, that's all.
I say "hobby away", just don't violate the terms of service on XBox Live.
Keep an un"hobbied" Xbox around for that.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30173856</id>
	<title>Worry?  About what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258743420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No.</p><p>They should not worry.</p><p>Nothing will happen here.  The terms of service clearly state that to play on Xbox Live, you are not allowed to modify your xbox360.  The accounts are still present and valid.  The consoles are simply banned from accessing the service.  Hobbyists can still be hobbyists.  The Xbox360 will still work, but the Xbox Live service will not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No.They should not worry.Nothing will happen here .
The terms of service clearly state that to play on Xbox Live , you are not allowed to modify your xbox360 .
The accounts are still present and valid .
The consoles are simply banned from accessing the service .
Hobbyists can still be hobbyists .
The Xbox360 will still work , but the Xbox Live service will not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No.They should not worry.Nothing will happen here.
The terms of service clearly state that to play on Xbox Live, you are not allowed to modify your xbox360.
The accounts are still present and valid.
The consoles are simply banned from accessing the service.
Hobbyists can still be hobbyists.
The Xbox360 will still work, but the Xbox Live service will not.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30176408</id>
	<title>Re:Worry? About what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258708800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're only partially right. The EULA says they can cut off access to the Live network, so fine, no argument there.</p><p>But they didn't stop there. They also crippled other parts of the software-- parts that have nothing to do with Live, and are not covered by the Live EULA. For instance, much of the hard drive functionality is gone. A "banned" console will no longer install new games to its drive, will not transfer savegames or other data from its drive to another console, and so on. The plaintiffs argue that nothing in the Live EULA gives MS the right to damage your local machine in this way, and that they should therefore be compensated for this damage.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're only partially right .
The EULA says they can cut off access to the Live network , so fine , no argument there.But they did n't stop there .
They also crippled other parts of the software-- parts that have nothing to do with Live , and are not covered by the Live EULA .
For instance , much of the hard drive functionality is gone .
A " banned " console will no longer install new games to its drive , will not transfer savegames or other data from its drive to another console , and so on .
The plaintiffs argue that nothing in the Live EULA gives MS the right to damage your local machine in this way , and that they should therefore be compensated for this damage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're only partially right.
The EULA says they can cut off access to the Live network, so fine, no argument there.But they didn't stop there.
They also crippled other parts of the software-- parts that have nothing to do with Live, and are not covered by the Live EULA.
For instance, much of the hard drive functionality is gone.
A "banned" console will no longer install new games to its drive, will not transfer savegames or other data from its drive to another console, and so on.
The plaintiffs argue that nothing in the Live EULA gives MS the right to damage your local machine in this way, and that they should therefore be compensated for this damage.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30210152</id>
	<title>Been there, done that.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258997760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Precedents for this have already been set, look at the iPhone 1.1.1 update. Unlike the XBox update that has disabled any functionality directly (or artificially - like HDD installed games) tied to XBL, that actually bricked the phones. Or the OSX update that stopped Atom-based hackintoshes from working.<br>The reason things like netflix and HDD install were 'artificially' tied to XBL should be blindingly obvious, it is that you have a full copy of the game/movie on your hacked system HDD and all you need is a DVD/CD/Authentication crack, which is extremely easy but something you cannot do on a legit, unmodded system.<br>So the end-game is preventing both piracy and cheating.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Precedents for this have already been set , look at the iPhone 1.1.1 update .
Unlike the XBox update that has disabled any functionality directly ( or artificially - like HDD installed games ) tied to XBL , that actually bricked the phones .
Or the OSX update that stopped Atom-based hackintoshes from working.The reason things like netflix and HDD install were 'artificially ' tied to XBL should be blindingly obvious , it is that you have a full copy of the game/movie on your hacked system HDD and all you need is a DVD/CD/Authentication crack , which is extremely easy but something you can not do on a legit , unmodded system.So the end-game is preventing both piracy and cheating .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Precedents for this have already been set, look at the iPhone 1.1.1 update.
Unlike the XBox update that has disabled any functionality directly (or artificially - like HDD installed games) tied to XBL, that actually bricked the phones.
Or the OSX update that stopped Atom-based hackintoshes from working.The reason things like netflix and HDD install were 'artificially' tied to XBL should be blindingly obvious, it is that you have a full copy of the game/movie on your hacked system HDD and all you need is a DVD/CD/Authentication crack, which is extremely easy but something you cannot do on a legit, unmodded system.So the end-game is preventing both piracy and cheating.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30176068</id>
	<title>Should Microsoft worry?  Nah.</title>
	<author>DdJ</author>
	<datestamp>1258707600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Someone is finally standing up for the legitimate hobbyists. Should Microsoft worry?</p></div><p>Nah.  It'll probably be really easy to just buy off both legitimate hobbyists.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Someone is finally standing up for the legitimate hobbyists .
Should Microsoft worry ? Nah .
It 'll probably be really easy to just buy off both legitimate hobbyists .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Someone is finally standing up for the legitimate hobbyists.
Should Microsoft worry?Nah.
It'll probably be really easy to just buy off both legitimate hobbyists.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30174146</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing to worry about</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258744380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>As for the prorated refund do they have any legal reason to do so?</p></div><p>Actually the reason they didn't give any refunds for xbox live accounts is they aren't banning them just the particular xbox, if you choose not to buy another xbox and want to cancel your account that's up to you</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As for the prorated refund do they have any legal reason to do so ? Actually the reason they did n't give any refunds for xbox live accounts is they are n't banning them just the particular xbox , if you choose not to buy another xbox and want to cancel your account that 's up to you</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As for the prorated refund do they have any legal reason to do so?Actually the reason they didn't give any refunds for xbox live accounts is they aren't banning them just the particular xbox, if you choose not to buy another xbox and want to cancel your account that's up to you
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30173930</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30176058</id>
	<title>The worry is Visible already</title>
	<author>Requiem18th</author>
	<datestamp>1258750740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Should MS worry? Just take a look at all the MS shills and astroturfers around.</p><p>Just notice the gazillion claims that if you mod your xbox it violates the Xlive TOS and you have no legal recourse. How many times does it has to be repeated that they went far and beyond their legal ground banning offline abilities aswell until they stop saying this?</p><p>The answer is null, these commenters are not going to get that because they are paid not to get that.</p><p>Now shills, let the flaming begin.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Should MS worry ?
Just take a look at all the MS shills and astroturfers around.Just notice the gazillion claims that if you mod your xbox it violates the Xlive TOS and you have no legal recourse .
How many times does it has to be repeated that they went far and beyond their legal ground banning offline abilities aswell until they stop saying this ? The answer is null , these commenters are not going to get that because they are paid not to get that.Now shills , let the flaming begin .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Should MS worry?
Just take a look at all the MS shills and astroturfers around.Just notice the gazillion claims that if you mod your xbox it violates the Xlive TOS and you have no legal recourse.
How many times does it has to be repeated that they went far and beyond their legal ground banning offline abilities aswell until they stop saying this?The answer is null, these commenters are not going to get that because they are paid not to get that.Now shills, let the flaming begin.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30174542</id>
	<title>MS has nothing to worry about</title>
	<author>svanheulen</author>
	<datestamp>1258745700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm sure it clearly states in the Xbox Live user agreement that moding is cause for a ban. If you agreed to the user agreement then you're just shit out of luck, end of story. I think people should be more concerned as to why you are forced to have an Xbox Live account (or PSN account for the the PS3) to play games online.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure it clearly states in the Xbox Live user agreement that moding is cause for a ban .
If you agreed to the user agreement then you 're just shit out of luck , end of story .
I think people should be more concerned as to why you are forced to have an Xbox Live account ( or PSN account for the the PS3 ) to play games online .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure it clearly states in the Xbox Live user agreement that moding is cause for a ban.
If you agreed to the user agreement then you're just shit out of luck, end of story.
I think people should be more concerned as to why you are forced to have an Xbox Live account (or PSN account for the the PS3) to play games online.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30203852</id>
	<title>Re: features being revoked</title>
	<author>CaseM</author>
	<datestamp>1259001780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>You need a Live connection to install a game to the hard drive</i></p><p>No, you fucking DO NOT. You only need to be signed into an account. I've already tried it after reading some of the posts in this thread and it works just fine without the ethernet cable being plugged in. "Informative" my ass.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You need a Live connection to install a game to the hard driveNo , you fucking DO NOT .
You only need to be signed into an account .
I 've already tried it after reading some of the posts in this thread and it works just fine without the ethernet cable being plugged in .
" Informative " my ass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You need a Live connection to install a game to the hard driveNo, you fucking DO NOT.
You only need to be signed into an account.
I've already tried it after reading some of the posts in this thread and it works just fine without the ethernet cable being plugged in.
"Informative" my ass.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30174420</id>
	<title>Illegal Copies and Derivative Works.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258745280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>by modding your xbox while still running MS software you violate their TOS on XBL you violate their EULA on their software and you violate their copyright by making a derviative work, to do make a derivative work you actually copied their software. So in all modding cases that modify MS software on the XBox you are not only violating a EULA you are violating their IP and their copyright, even before you backup or copy a game.</p><p>You simply don't have a right to use a modified xbox and their software.</p><p>If you wan't this freedom you should've invested in a device which would give you this freedom.</p><p>
&nbsp; Buy products with this feature: freedom.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>by modding your xbox while still running MS software you violate their TOS on XBL you violate their EULA on their software and you violate their copyright by making a derviative work , to do make a derivative work you actually copied their software .
So in all modding cases that modify MS software on the XBox you are not only violating a EULA you are violating their IP and their copyright , even before you backup or copy a game.You simply do n't have a right to use a modified xbox and their software.If you wa n't this freedom you should 've invested in a device which would give you this freedom .
  Buy products with this feature : freedom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>by modding your xbox while still running MS software you violate their TOS on XBL you violate their EULA on their software and you violate their copyright by making a derviative work, to do make a derivative work you actually copied their software.
So in all modding cases that modify MS software on the XBox you are not only violating a EULA you are violating their IP and their copyright, even before you backup or copy a game.You simply don't have a right to use a modified xbox and their software.If you wan't this freedom you should've invested in a device which would give you this freedom.
  Buy products with this feature: freedom.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30175048</id>
	<title>Re:Terms of use seem pretty clear</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258747320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What part about removing MS functionality not related to Xbox Live do you not understand?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What part about removing MS functionality not related to Xbox Live do you not understand ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What part about removing MS functionality not related to Xbox Live do you not understand?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30177484</id>
	<title>Re:As if it's limited to that...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258712340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Hell, I know people who had their consoles banned for no reason and MS told them to go take a leap.</i></p><p>Wow.  An anecdote from a guy. <i>That's</i> informative?!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hell , I know people who had their consoles banned for no reason and MS told them to go take a leap.Wow .
An anecdote from a guy .
That 's informative ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hell, I know people who had their consoles banned for no reason and MS told them to go take a leap.Wow.
An anecdote from a guy.
That's informative?
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30173966</id>
	<title>Ooh look! A big target!</title>
	<author>Nakarti</author>
	<datestamp>1258743840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hobbyist support my ass.<br>As a lawyer he's thinking "Ooh! 100,000 people banned, that's a big target to profit from!"</p><p>As a hobbyist, if I want to run whatever software, I pay: $100 for a motherboard, $130 for a small case and power supply, $50 for a hard drive, $30 for an optical drive, $0-200 for an operating system, $50 for a wireless keyboard and mouse, $80 for a wireless gaming controller, $15 for a DVI cable.</p><p>Anybody guess what I bought to run homebrew software? A fecking computer!<br>An xBox is not a computer, and if you want to change that, Microsoft is well within their rights to say they don't want xbox-like computers on Live!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hobbyist support my ass.As a lawyer he 's thinking " Ooh !
100,000 people banned , that 's a big target to profit from !
" As a hobbyist , if I want to run whatever software , I pay : $ 100 for a motherboard , $ 130 for a small case and power supply , $ 50 for a hard drive , $ 30 for an optical drive , $ 0-200 for an operating system , $ 50 for a wireless keyboard and mouse , $ 80 for a wireless gaming controller , $ 15 for a DVI cable.Anybody guess what I bought to run homebrew software ?
A fecking computer ! An xBox is not a computer , and if you want to change that , Microsoft is well within their rights to say they do n't want xbox-like computers on Live !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hobbyist support my ass.As a lawyer he's thinking "Ooh!
100,000 people banned, that's a big target to profit from!
"As a hobbyist, if I want to run whatever software, I pay: $100 for a motherboard, $130 for a small case and power supply, $50 for a hard drive, $30 for an optical drive, $0-200 for an operating system, $50 for a wireless keyboard and mouse, $80 for a wireless gaming controller, $15 for a DVI cable.Anybody guess what I bought to run homebrew software?
A fecking computer!An xBox is not a computer, and if you want to change that, Microsoft is well within their rights to say they don't want xbox-like computers on Live!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30173930</id>
	<title>Nothing to worry about</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258743660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Microsoft is not bricking your modded console.  They are banning your modded console from their private network which they set the rules and the modded console owners broke.  The reason for the modification is not relevant.  Those 360s will stay play your games perfectly you just can't access Live.  As an owner of an unmodded 360 who is a paying customer for live I appreciate and applaud this move since other people like to mod their boxes for making online experience worse for others (i.e cheating).
<br> <br>
As for the prorated refund do they have any legal reason to do so?  I've seen many places state if you get kicked out (bars, amusement parks, etc.) if you get kicked out you get no refunds.
<br> <br>
And for those that really want to mod their 360s and really want to play on live buy another 360.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft is not bricking your modded console .
They are banning your modded console from their private network which they set the rules and the modded console owners broke .
The reason for the modification is not relevant .
Those 360s will stay play your games perfectly you just ca n't access Live .
As an owner of an unmodded 360 who is a paying customer for live I appreciate and applaud this move since other people like to mod their boxes for making online experience worse for others ( i.e cheating ) .
As for the prorated refund do they have any legal reason to do so ?
I 've seen many places state if you get kicked out ( bars , amusement parks , etc .
) if you get kicked out you get no refunds .
And for those that really want to mod their 360s and really want to play on live buy another 360 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft is not bricking your modded console.
They are banning your modded console from their private network which they set the rules and the modded console owners broke.
The reason for the modification is not relevant.
Those 360s will stay play your games perfectly you just can't access Live.
As an owner of an unmodded 360 who is a paying customer for live I appreciate and applaud this move since other people like to mod their boxes for making online experience worse for others (i.e cheating).
As for the prorated refund do they have any legal reason to do so?
I've seen many places state if you get kicked out (bars, amusement parks, etc.
) if you get kicked out you get no refunds.
And for those that really want to mod their 360s and really want to play on live buy another 360.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30175000</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing to worry about</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258747140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A) just putting rules in a EULA doesn't make them valid, legal or fair.<br>B) The reason for modification is valid because MS is using that as a political and court move to make it sound like everyone is a criminal and therefore the courts should side with MS.</p><p>C) Actually game functionality is broken, HDD  is corrupt, and many single play games can not be activated.</p><p>D) Please link to the evidence where people are using modded Xboxes to cheat, and one that determines how many people sue it for cheating. Oh wait, you can't. You whole premise is fallacious.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A ) just putting rules in a EULA does n't make them valid , legal or fair.B ) The reason for modification is valid because MS is using that as a political and court move to make it sound like everyone is a criminal and therefore the courts should side with MS.C ) Actually game functionality is broken , HDD is corrupt , and many single play games can not be activated.D ) Please link to the evidence where people are using modded Xboxes to cheat , and one that determines how many people sue it for cheating .
Oh wait , you ca n't .
You whole premise is fallacious .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A) just putting rules in a EULA doesn't make them valid, legal or fair.B) The reason for modification is valid because MS is using that as a political and court move to make it sound like everyone is a criminal and therefore the courts should side with MS.C) Actually game functionality is broken, HDD  is corrupt, and many single play games can not be activated.D) Please link to the evidence where people are using modded Xboxes to cheat, and one that determines how many people sue it for cheating.
Oh wait, you can't.
You whole premise is fallacious.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30176518</id>
	<title>Re:Terms of use seem pretty clear</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258709220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The part they're suing over is the part where MS crippled the local hard drive in ways having nothing to do with the Live network.</p><p>By analogy: Fred lends you his car, and you sign a EULA, agreeing that he may repossess that car if you ever let anyone else drive it. You then let your mom drive the car around for a few days. When Fred finds out he comes to your house, repossesses the car, breaks into your living room, and smashes your television to bits with a sledgehammer.</p><p>You don't get to complain that Fred took the car back, because you agreed to it, but you sure as hell get to sue him for destroying the TV.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The part they 're suing over is the part where MS crippled the local hard drive in ways having nothing to do with the Live network.By analogy : Fred lends you his car , and you sign a EULA , agreeing that he may repossess that car if you ever let anyone else drive it .
You then let your mom drive the car around for a few days .
When Fred finds out he comes to your house , repossesses the car , breaks into your living room , and smashes your television to bits with a sledgehammer.You do n't get to complain that Fred took the car back , because you agreed to it , but you sure as hell get to sue him for destroying the TV .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The part they're suing over is the part where MS crippled the local hard drive in ways having nothing to do with the Live network.By analogy: Fred lends you his car, and you sign a EULA, agreeing that he may repossess that car if you ever let anyone else drive it.
You then let your mom drive the car around for a few days.
When Fred finds out he comes to your house, repossesses the car, breaks into your living room, and smashes your television to bits with a sledgehammer.You don't get to complain that Fred took the car back, because you agreed to it, but you sure as hell get to sue him for destroying the TV.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30174388</id>
	<title>Re:Worry? About what?</title>
	<author>sl3xd</author>
	<datestamp>1258745160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Look - it comes down to this:  To get on Xbox live, you have to agree to the terms of service.  The terms of service is a contract.  The banned users agreed to it.  If anybody violates the terms of the contract by modifying their Xbox in any way, Microsoft is more than justified in enforcing its contract, meaning they can cut off violators of its TOS.</p><p>It's simple contract law.  The service requires an unmodded xbox.  If a consumer doens't hold up their end of the contract, Microsoft has no obligation to hold up its end.</p><p>It's no different for other services - Telephone, internet, Cable or sattelite TV, etc.  If you violate the contract you made for the service, then you have absolutely no right to force the provider to continue providing the service.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Look - it comes down to this : To get on Xbox live , you have to agree to the terms of service .
The terms of service is a contract .
The banned users agreed to it .
If anybody violates the terms of the contract by modifying their Xbox in any way , Microsoft is more than justified in enforcing its contract , meaning they can cut off violators of its TOS.It 's simple contract law .
The service requires an unmodded xbox .
If a consumer doens't hold up their end of the contract , Microsoft has no obligation to hold up its end.It 's no different for other services - Telephone , internet , Cable or sattelite TV , etc .
If you violate the contract you made for the service , then you have absolutely no right to force the provider to continue providing the service .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look - it comes down to this:  To get on Xbox live, you have to agree to the terms of service.
The terms of service is a contract.
The banned users agreed to it.
If anybody violates the terms of the contract by modifying their Xbox in any way, Microsoft is more than justified in enforcing its contract, meaning they can cut off violators of its TOS.It's simple contract law.
The service requires an unmodded xbox.
If a consumer doens't hold up their end of the contract, Microsoft has no obligation to hold up its end.It's no different for other services - Telephone, internet, Cable or sattelite TV, etc.
If you violate the contract you made for the service, then you have absolutely no right to force the provider to continue providing the service.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30177086</id>
	<title>You are not entitled to ANY default functionality</title>
	<author>Strofcon</author>
	<datestamp>1258711020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Microsoft disabling certain offline capabilities of modded consoles still isn't a lawsuit-worthy offense. The entire device and all the functionality contained therein is their baby, not yours, until you mod it. Then it becomes your baby entirely. Want to save games to the console's HDD? Write a patch to make it happen. Want to get your Netflix streaming working again? Write the code for it. You still have ALL of this capability, but Microsoft simply isn't going to let you use the functionality they built in - if you want to mod the console, then you get to figure out how to make those things work all by yourself.
<br> <br>
Is that petty? Absolutely. Is it illegal? Not a chance. Illegal would be fining you for modifying the hardware, or somehow permanently disabling ALL functionality remotely such that you couldn't even turn it on.
<br> <br>
Also, there has to be a line drawn somewhere on the "EULAs are legally binding contracts" vs. "EULAs are just junk and not binding in any way, shape, or form" argument. You can't sign away your civil rights by agreeing to an EULA, but at the same time, a company has to be allowed to set forth conditions upon which their services depend. To say that the EULA shouldn't be binding, even though it explicitly states that you are not entitled to using a modded console on their network, is to say that Microsoft should have absolutely no say in how their network is used. That would mean that they'd have to allow modded Wiis, Playstations, heck, even iPhones... to use their service in its entirety. They have zero obligation to allow this. Short of making you sign a full-blown, notarized contract before you are allowed to use XBox Live, the EULA is their only method of making you aware of their terms of service and thus having something to back their decisions in regards to denial of service.
<br> <br>
You're not entitled to anything by the copper and plastic that makes up the console. What you do with it is your decision, but allowing you to use Microsoft's services or perks is solely at their discretion.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft disabling certain offline capabilities of modded consoles still is n't a lawsuit-worthy offense .
The entire device and all the functionality contained therein is their baby , not yours , until you mod it .
Then it becomes your baby entirely .
Want to save games to the console 's HDD ?
Write a patch to make it happen .
Want to get your Netflix streaming working again ?
Write the code for it .
You still have ALL of this capability , but Microsoft simply is n't going to let you use the functionality they built in - if you want to mod the console , then you get to figure out how to make those things work all by yourself .
Is that petty ?
Absolutely. Is it illegal ?
Not a chance .
Illegal would be fining you for modifying the hardware , or somehow permanently disabling ALL functionality remotely such that you could n't even turn it on .
Also , there has to be a line drawn somewhere on the " EULAs are legally binding contracts " vs. " EULAs are just junk and not binding in any way , shape , or form " argument .
You ca n't sign away your civil rights by agreeing to an EULA , but at the same time , a company has to be allowed to set forth conditions upon which their services depend .
To say that the EULA should n't be binding , even though it explicitly states that you are not entitled to using a modded console on their network , is to say that Microsoft should have absolutely no say in how their network is used .
That would mean that they 'd have to allow modded Wiis , Playstations , heck , even iPhones... to use their service in its entirety .
They have zero obligation to allow this .
Short of making you sign a full-blown , notarized contract before you are allowed to use XBox Live , the EULA is their only method of making you aware of their terms of service and thus having something to back their decisions in regards to denial of service .
You 're not entitled to anything by the copper and plastic that makes up the console .
What you do with it is your decision , but allowing you to use Microsoft 's services or perks is solely at their discretion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft disabling certain offline capabilities of modded consoles still isn't a lawsuit-worthy offense.
The entire device and all the functionality contained therein is their baby, not yours, until you mod it.
Then it becomes your baby entirely.
Want to save games to the console's HDD?
Write a patch to make it happen.
Want to get your Netflix streaming working again?
Write the code for it.
You still have ALL of this capability, but Microsoft simply isn't going to let you use the functionality they built in - if you want to mod the console, then you get to figure out how to make those things work all by yourself.
Is that petty?
Absolutely. Is it illegal?
Not a chance.
Illegal would be fining you for modifying the hardware, or somehow permanently disabling ALL functionality remotely such that you couldn't even turn it on.
Also, there has to be a line drawn somewhere on the "EULAs are legally binding contracts" vs. "EULAs are just junk and not binding in any way, shape, or form" argument.
You can't sign away your civil rights by agreeing to an EULA, but at the same time, a company has to be allowed to set forth conditions upon which their services depend.
To say that the EULA shouldn't be binding, even though it explicitly states that you are not entitled to using a modded console on their network, is to say that Microsoft should have absolutely no say in how their network is used.
That would mean that they'd have to allow modded Wiis, Playstations, heck, even iPhones... to use their service in its entirety.
They have zero obligation to allow this.
Short of making you sign a full-blown, notarized contract before you are allowed to use XBox Live, the EULA is their only method of making you aware of their terms of service and thus having something to back their decisions in regards to denial of service.
You're not entitled to anything by the copper and plastic that makes up the console.
What you do with it is your decision, but allowing you to use Microsoft's services or perks is solely at their discretion.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30178986</id>
	<title>no</title>
	<author>farble1670</author>
	<datestamp>1258717800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <em>Should Microsoft worry?</em> </p><p>no. you entered into an agreement with MSFT. you broke that agreement. it doesn't matter if you committed further crimes (pirating xbox software) after you broke the agreement, that's that the issue. you can mod your console any which way you like it is yours after all., but MSFT can put any terms they want on you using their online service. if you don't like the terms, don't use it<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... and accept the consequences for breaking the terms of use.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Should Microsoft worry ?
no. you entered into an agreement with MSFT .
you broke that agreement .
it does n't matter if you committed further crimes ( pirating xbox software ) after you broke the agreement , that 's that the issue .
you can mod your console any which way you like it is yours after all. , but MSFT can put any terms they want on you using their online service .
if you do n't like the terms , do n't use it ... and accept the consequences for breaking the terms of use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Should Microsoft worry?
no. you entered into an agreement with MSFT.
you broke that agreement.
it doesn't matter if you committed further crimes (pirating xbox software) after you broke the agreement, that's that the issue.
you can mod your console any which way you like it is yours after all., but MSFT can put any terms they want on you using their online service.
if you don't like the terms, don't use it ... and accept the consequences for breaking the terms of use.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30175140</id>
	<title>Re:As if it's limited to that...</title>
	<author>commodore64\_love</author>
	<datestamp>1258747560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;&gt;I know people who had their consoles banned for no reason and MS told them to go take a leap.</p><p>Stealing Is Our Profit<br>by Microsoft<br>(sung to the theme of MASH)<br>.</p><p>Through electronic net I see<br>Visions of monopoly,<br>The pains I can incur are fun,<br>Better than owning a gun...</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; That stealing is our profit,<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; We say screw the little shit<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; And we can take or leave it as we please.</p><p>The game of life is hard to play,<br>You're going to lose it anyway,<br>Just give up and do it our way;<br>So this is all we have to say...</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; That stealing is our profit,<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; We say screw the little shit<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; And we can take or leave it as we please.</p><p>The only way to win is cheat<br>So just bow down because you're beat<br>And to Microsoft give your cash<br>Or else you'll face our cruel cruel lash.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; That stealing is our profit,<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; We say screw the little shits<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; We can take their money as we please.<br>.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; &gt; I know people who had their consoles banned for no reason and MS told them to go take a leap.Stealing Is Our Profitby Microsoft ( sung to the theme of MASH ) .Through electronic net I seeVisions of monopoly,The pains I can incur are fun,Better than owning a gun.. .                 That stealing is our profit ,                 We say screw the little shit                 And we can take or leave it as we please.The game of life is hard to play,You 're going to lose it anyway,Just give up and do it our way ; So this is all we have to say.. .                 That stealing is our profit ,                 We say screw the little shit                 And we can take or leave it as we please.The only way to win is cheatSo just bow down because you 're beatAnd to Microsoft give your cashOr else you 'll face our cruel cruel lash .
                That stealing is our profit ,                 We say screw the little shits                 We can take their money as we please. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;&gt;I know people who had their consoles banned for no reason and MS told them to go take a leap.Stealing Is Our Profitby Microsoft(sung to the theme of MASH).Through electronic net I seeVisions of monopoly,The pains I can incur are fun,Better than owning a gun...
                That stealing is our profit,
                We say screw the little shit
                And we can take or leave it as we please.The game of life is hard to play,You're going to lose it anyway,Just give up and do it our way;So this is all we have to say...
                That stealing is our profit,
                We say screw the little shit
                And we can take or leave it as we please.The only way to win is cheatSo just bow down because you're beatAnd to Microsoft give your cashOr else you'll face our cruel cruel lash.
                That stealing is our profit,
                We say screw the little shits
                We can take their money as we please..</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30175664</id>
	<title>cash grab</title>
	<author>Bizzeh</author>
	<datestamp>1258749180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"if you modify your console, and try to play online, your CONSOLE will be banned, you can simply go and buy a new one and your live account will work fine on a new one" these are the exact words every site says that i have found that give a tutorial on modding an xbox 360.</p><p>and plainly, the hobbyist isnt the one being victimised here, the hobbyist wouldnt mod their console to run homebrew on it, then play pirated games online, if your doing that, thats all your doing.</p><p>this is simply a cash grab, because everyone knows that a settlement is cheaper than going to court</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" if you modify your console , and try to play online , your CONSOLE will be banned , you can simply go and buy a new one and your live account will work fine on a new one " these are the exact words every site says that i have found that give a tutorial on modding an xbox 360.and plainly , the hobbyist isnt the one being victimised here , the hobbyist wouldnt mod their console to run homebrew on it , then play pirated games online , if your doing that , thats all your doing.this is simply a cash grab , because everyone knows that a settlement is cheaper than going to court</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"if you modify your console, and try to play online, your CONSOLE will be banned, you can simply go and buy a new one and your live account will work fine on a new one" these are the exact words every site says that i have found that give a tutorial on modding an xbox 360.and plainly, the hobbyist isnt the one being victimised here, the hobbyist wouldnt mod their console to run homebrew on it, then play pirated games online, if your doing that, thats all your doing.this is simply a cash grab, because everyone knows that a settlement is cheaper than going to court</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30174988</id>
	<title>Demolition Derby</title>
	<author>FunkSoulBrother</author>
	<datestamp>1258747140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is like taking your car to the demolition derby, and complaining that it got smashed up. And then trying to get a 10 month refund from Sirius/XM because you don't need a satellite radio subscription anymore now that your car is totalled.</p><p>It's very simple.. If you don't like to see your Xbox get bricked, don't connect it to networks run by unsavory companies (Microsoft), while agreeing to ridiculous TOS in order to do so. If you simply buy the Xbox, mod it, and never connect it to Xbox Live, none of this would have happened.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is like taking your car to the demolition derby , and complaining that it got smashed up .
And then trying to get a 10 month refund from Sirius/XM because you do n't need a satellite radio subscription anymore now that your car is totalled.It 's very simple.. If you do n't like to see your Xbox get bricked , do n't connect it to networks run by unsavory companies ( Microsoft ) , while agreeing to ridiculous TOS in order to do so .
If you simply buy the Xbox , mod it , and never connect it to Xbox Live , none of this would have happened .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is like taking your car to the demolition derby, and complaining that it got smashed up.
And then trying to get a 10 month refund from Sirius/XM because you don't need a satellite radio subscription anymore now that your car is totalled.It's very simple.. If you don't like to see your Xbox get bricked, don't connect it to networks run by unsavory companies (Microsoft), while agreeing to ridiculous TOS in order to do so.
If you simply buy the Xbox, mod it, and never connect it to Xbox Live, none of this would have happened.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30175058</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah, they STOP you from using your xbox! Oh, w</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1258747320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Lol, right. Im going to go to a 5 star restaurant in jeans and t-shirt then sue them once they kick me out. Same deal here."</p><p>Are you stupid? It's not even close to the same thing. It's like not being into a restaurant because you modded your car, and then when they didn't let you into the restaurant, that also broke functionality in your car.</p><p>That's about as close as you can come with a restaurant analogy, and even then it's still lame.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Lol , right .
Im going to go to a 5 star restaurant in jeans and t-shirt then sue them once they kick me out .
Same deal here .
" Are you stupid ?
It 's not even close to the same thing .
It 's like not being into a restaurant because you modded your car , and then when they did n't let you into the restaurant , that also broke functionality in your car.That 's about as close as you can come with a restaurant analogy , and even then it 's still lame .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Lol, right.
Im going to go to a 5 star restaurant in jeans and t-shirt then sue them once they kick me out.
Same deal here.
"Are you stupid?
It's not even close to the same thing.
It's like not being into a restaurant because you modded your car, and then when they didn't let you into the restaurant, that also broke functionality in your car.That's about as close as you can come with a restaurant analogy, and even then it's still lame.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30175154</id>
	<title>M$ love</title>
	<author>dontmakemethink</author>
	<datestamp>1258747560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wonder how many M$ haters are going to buy/mod and Xbox just to be a part of this suit...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder how many M $ haters are going to buy/mod and Xbox just to be a part of this suit.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder how many M$ haters are going to buy/mod and Xbox just to be a part of this suit...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30174540</id>
	<title>Impossible!</title>
	<author>lbalbalba</author>
	<datestamp>1258745700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The <b>only</b> reason for modifying your Xbox is to engage in acts of piracy, obviously.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The only reason for modifying your Xbox is to engage in acts of piracy , obviously .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only reason for modifying your Xbox is to engage in acts of piracy, obviously.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30174022</id>
	<title>One might want to think twice...</title>
	<author>doug141</author>
	<datestamp>1258743960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>before signing a form admitting one's xbox was modded in the first place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>before signing a form admitting one 's xbox was modded in the first place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>before signing a form admitting one's xbox was modded in the first place.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30180124</id>
	<title>Re:As if it's limited to that...</title>
	<author>Shrike82</author>
	<datestamp>1258723380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh well this unsubstantiated story totally made up my mind. Down with Microsoft! They told some apparently real people to take a leap!</p><p>On a related note, whoever modded this Informative clearly has no idea what actual information is. Possibly they base their definition on stories that begin with "So this guy once told me...."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh well this unsubstantiated story totally made up my mind .
Down with Microsoft !
They told some apparently real people to take a leap ! On a related note , whoever modded this Informative clearly has no idea what actual information is .
Possibly they base their definition on stories that begin with " So this guy once told me.... "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh well this unsubstantiated story totally made up my mind.
Down with Microsoft!
They told some apparently real people to take a leap!On a related note, whoever modded this Informative clearly has no idea what actual information is.
Possibly they base their definition on stories that begin with "So this guy once told me...."</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30174652</id>
	<title>Cheaters</title>
	<author>Jessified</author>
	<datestamp>1258746000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How should Microsoft handle cheaters?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How should Microsoft handle cheaters ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How should Microsoft handle cheaters?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30175794</id>
	<title>Re:Worry? About what?</title>
	<author>Xtravar</author>
	<datestamp>1258749660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The 360 arguably has a larger user base than the PS3 partially thanks to pirating.  It's funny to see this bite them in the ass.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The 360 arguably has a larger user base than the PS3 partially thanks to pirating .
It 's funny to see this bite them in the ass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The 360 arguably has a larger user base than the PS3 partially thanks to pirating.
It's funny to see this bite them in the ass.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30174020</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30174624</id>
	<title>Re:Make way for the ambulance chaser!</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1258745940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Microsoft did not tell you that you cannot use your modded Xbox, nor did they do anything to it that prevents you from using it.</i></p><p>Apparently this banning also <a href="http://zotaku.com/2009/11/09/xbox-pirates-banned-from-own-hard-disks/" title="zotaku.com">disables your hard drive</a> [zotaku.com].  If it were just Xbox live it affected, MS would pretty clearly be in the right.  Sabotaging someones hardware is not justifiable any way you slice it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft did not tell you that you can not use your modded Xbox , nor did they do anything to it that prevents you from using it.Apparently this banning also disables your hard drive [ zotaku.com ] .
If it were just Xbox live it affected , MS would pretty clearly be in the right .
Sabotaging someones hardware is not justifiable any way you slice it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft did not tell you that you cannot use your modded Xbox, nor did they do anything to it that prevents you from using it.Apparently this banning also disables your hard drive [zotaku.com].
If it were just Xbox live it affected, MS would pretty clearly be in the right.
Sabotaging someones hardware is not justifiable any way you slice it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30173888</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1513201.30182860</id>
	<title>Re:Movie playback</title>
	<author>assassinator42</author>
	<datestamp>1258797180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's something screwed up with the DRM for the extra codecs. If you delete them (I believe it's called the "Optional Media Update") and then redownload them with an account that hasn't downloaded them before (you can create a new silver account) you can use the codecs offline.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's something screwed up with the DRM for the extra codecs .
If you delete them ( I believe it 's called the " Optional Media Update " ) and then redownload them with an account that has n't downloaded them before ( you can create a new silver account ) you can use the codecs offline .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's something screwed up with the DRM for the extra codecs.
If you delete them (I believe it's called the "Optional Media Update") and then redownload them with an account that hasn't downloaded them before (you can create a new silver account) you can use the codecs offline.</sentencetext>
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