<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_20_1422202</id>
	<title>Patent Issued For Podcasting</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1258737240000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>pickens writes <i>"The EFF is reaching out for help after a company called Volomedia got the Patent Office to grant them exclusive rights to 'a method for providing episodic media' that could <a href="http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/11/eff-tackles-bogus-podcasting-patent-and-we-need-yo">threaten the community of podcasters and millions of podcast listeners</a>. 'It's a ridiculously broad patent, covering something that many folks have been doing for many years,' writes Rebecca Jeschke. 'Worse, it could create a whole new layer of ongoing costs for podcasters and their listeners.' To bust this patent, EFF is looking for additional 'prior art' &mdash; <a href="http://w2.eff.org/patent/wanted/volomedia/EFF\_volomedia\_prior\_art.pdf">evidence that the podcasting methods described in the patent were already in use</a> (PDF) before November 19, 2003. 'In particular, we're looking for written descriptions of methods that allow a user to download pre-programmed episodic media like audio files or video files from a remote publisher, with the download occurring after the user subscribes to the episodes, and with the user continuing to automatically receive new episodes.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>pickens writes " The EFF is reaching out for help after a company called Volomedia got the Patent Office to grant them exclusive rights to 'a method for providing episodic media ' that could threaten the community of podcasters and millions of podcast listeners .
'It 's a ridiculously broad patent , covering something that many folks have been doing for many years, ' writes Rebecca Jeschke .
'Worse , it could create a whole new layer of ongoing costs for podcasters and their listeners .
' To bust this patent , EFF is looking for additional 'prior art '    evidence that the podcasting methods described in the patent were already in use ( PDF ) before November 19 , 2003 .
'In particular , we 're looking for written descriptions of methods that allow a user to download pre-programmed episodic media like audio files or video files from a remote publisher , with the download occurring after the user subscribes to the episodes , and with the user continuing to automatically receive new episodes .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>pickens writes "The EFF is reaching out for help after a company called Volomedia got the Patent Office to grant them exclusive rights to 'a method for providing episodic media' that could threaten the community of podcasters and millions of podcast listeners.
'It's a ridiculously broad patent, covering something that many folks have been doing for many years,' writes Rebecca Jeschke.
'Worse, it could create a whole new layer of ongoing costs for podcasters and their listeners.
' To bust this patent, EFF is looking for additional 'prior art' — evidence that the podcasting methods described in the patent were already in use (PDF) before November 19, 2003.
'In particular, we're looking for written descriptions of methods that allow a user to download pre-programmed episodic media like audio files or video files from a remote publisher, with the download occurring after the user subscribes to the episodes, and with the user continuing to automatically receive new episodes.
'"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174898</id>
	<title>see indymedia radio projects....</title>
	<author>datapharmer</author>
	<datestamp>1258746780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>See indymedia radio projects circa 2000. For example reports by Linda Thurston.

Moving along...</htmltext>
<tokenext>See indymedia radio projects circa 2000 .
For example reports by Linda Thurston .
Moving along.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>See indymedia radio projects circa 2000.
For example reports by Linda Thurston.
Moving along...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30175096</id>
	<title>software auto update is prior art</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258747440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not a lawyer, but isnt software update of things like AOL client or acrobat reader from the 90s prior art? they automatically checked for updates and downloaded them with no user interferiance beond launching the app, the same way itunes does with podcasts</p><p>I remember specifically in the mid 1990s, AOL pushed a client update that as I recall downloaded automatically when you logged in that added a pictures feature, and a new<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.WAV file, "youve got pictures!"</p><p>well, youve got prior art</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not a lawyer , but isnt software update of things like AOL client or acrobat reader from the 90s prior art ?
they automatically checked for updates and downloaded them with no user interferiance beond launching the app , the same way itunes does with podcastsI remember specifically in the mid 1990s , AOL pushed a client update that as I recall downloaded automatically when you logged in that added a pictures feature , and a new .WAV file , " youve got pictures !
" well , youve got prior art</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not a lawyer, but isnt software update of things like AOL client or acrobat reader from the 90s prior art?
they automatically checked for updates and downloaded them with no user interferiance beond launching the app, the same way itunes does with podcastsI remember specifically in the mid 1990s, AOL pushed a client update that as I recall downloaded automatically when you logged in that added a pictures feature, and a new .WAV file, "youve got pictures!
"well, youve got prior art</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173320</id>
	<title>My patent</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258741380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd like to patent first posting. Does anyone have prior art?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd like to patent first posting .
Does anyone have prior art ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd like to patent first posting.
Does anyone have prior art?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173666</id>
	<title>Claim 1, not that anyone will read it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258742760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. A method for providing episodic media, the method comprising:<br>- providing a user with access to a channel dedicated to episodic media, wherein the episodic media provided over the channel is pre-defined into one or more episodes by a remote publisher of the episodic media;<br>- receiving a subscription request to the channel dedicated to the episodic media from the user;<br>- automatically downloading updated episodic media associated with the channel dedicated to the episodic media to a computing device associated with the user in accordance with the subscription request upon availability of the updated episodic media, the automatic download occurring without further user interaction; and<br>- providing the user with: an indication of a maximum available channel depth, the channel depth indicating a size of episodic media yet to be downloaded from the channel and size of episodic media already downloaded from the channel, the channel depth being specified in playtime or storage resources, and the ability to modify the channel depth by deleting selected episodic media content, thereby overriding the previously configured channel depth.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
A method for providing episodic media , the method comprising : - providing a user with access to a channel dedicated to episodic media , wherein the episodic media provided over the channel is pre-defined into one or more episodes by a remote publisher of the episodic media ; - receiving a subscription request to the channel dedicated to the episodic media from the user ; - automatically downloading updated episodic media associated with the channel dedicated to the episodic media to a computing device associated with the user in accordance with the subscription request upon availability of the updated episodic media , the automatic download occurring without further user interaction ; and- providing the user with : an indication of a maximum available channel depth , the channel depth indicating a size of episodic media yet to be downloaded from the channel and size of episodic media already downloaded from the channel , the channel depth being specified in playtime or storage resources , and the ability to modify the channel depth by deleting selected episodic media content , thereby overriding the previously configured channel depth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
A method for providing episodic media, the method comprising:- providing a user with access to a channel dedicated to episodic media, wherein the episodic media provided over the channel is pre-defined into one or more episodes by a remote publisher of the episodic media;- receiving a subscription request to the channel dedicated to the episodic media from the user;- automatically downloading updated episodic media associated with the channel dedicated to the episodic media to a computing device associated with the user in accordance with the subscription request upon availability of the updated episodic media, the automatic download occurring without further user interaction; and- providing the user with: an indication of a maximum available channel depth, the channel depth indicating a size of episodic media yet to be downloaded from the channel and size of episodic media already downloaded from the channel, the channel depth being specified in playtime or storage resources, and the ability to modify the channel depth by deleting selected episodic media content, thereby overriding the previously configured channel depth.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173352</id>
	<title>Prior art?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258741500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about Marimba Inc's "castanet" ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about Marimba Inc 's " castanet " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about Marimba Inc's "castanet" ?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174846</id>
	<title>Of course, the patent must be read...</title>
	<author>ajs</author>
	<datestamp>1258746660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet\_radio#Early\_history" title="wikipedia.org">There's prior art for podcast-like distribution of audio shows dating back to 1993.</a> [wikipedia.org] However, the patent has to be read, and each claim compared to previous efforts. Simply demonstrating that people used the Internet for audio show distribution prior to 2003 does nothing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's prior art for podcast-like distribution of audio shows dating back to 1993 .
[ wikipedia.org ] However , the patent has to be read , and each claim compared to previous efforts .
Simply demonstrating that people used the Internet for audio show distribution prior to 2003 does nothing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's prior art for podcast-like distribution of audio shows dating back to 1993.
[wikipedia.org] However, the patent has to be read, and each claim compared to previous efforts.
Simply demonstrating that people used the Internet for audio show distribution prior to 2003 does nothing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174686</id>
	<title>Shoutcast</title>
	<author>sabernet</author>
	<datestamp>1258746060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHOUTcast" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHOUTcast</a> [wikipedia.org]

Originally released in 1999.  It could serve audio files in a streaming sense.  Also, some plugins for WinAmp would allow you to download each individual files since all shoutcast involved was streaming mp3s across HTTP one after another.  Later, video began to show up.</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHOUTcast [ wikipedia.org ] Originally released in 1999 .
It could serve audio files in a streaming sense .
Also , some plugins for WinAmp would allow you to download each individual files since all shoutcast involved was streaming mp3s across HTTP one after another .
Later , video began to show up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHOUTcast [wikipedia.org]

Originally released in 1999.
It could serve audio files in a streaming sense.
Also, some plugins for WinAmp would allow you to download each individual files since all shoutcast involved was streaming mp3s across HTTP one after another.
Later, video began to show up.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174850</id>
	<title>Re:Tired of this crap...</title>
	<author>kiehlster</author>
	<datestamp>1258746660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes.  Who isn't tired of it besides the rich lawyers and trolls?  I'm waiting on a real plan to abolish software patents entirely.  All I've seen is griping and complaining, but no plan of action.  Nothing that says "Here mail this to your representative so we can put patents in the grave."  I think we should have an 'Ask Slashdot' on how we should best tackle this problem.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes .
Who is n't tired of it besides the rich lawyers and trolls ?
I 'm waiting on a real plan to abolish software patents entirely .
All I 've seen is griping and complaining , but no plan of action .
Nothing that says " Here mail this to your representative so we can put patents in the grave .
" I think we should have an 'Ask Slashdot ' on how we should best tackle this problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes.
Who isn't tired of it besides the rich lawyers and trolls?
I'm waiting on a real plan to abolish software patents entirely.
All I've seen is griping and complaining, but no plan of action.
Nothing that says "Here mail this to your representative so we can put patents in the grave.
"  I think we should have an 'Ask Slashdot' on how we should best tackle this problem.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173786</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173640</id>
	<title>Mailing Lists?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258742640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm willing to bet that there are some internet mailing lists that sent audio files to their members back in the 1990s at least.  Not sure if that's different since mailing lists typically "push" the data to an intermediary for download (ie, the POP server that the user actually downloads the mail from).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm willing to bet that there are some internet mailing lists that sent audio files to their members back in the 1990s at least .
Not sure if that 's different since mailing lists typically " push " the data to an intermediary for download ( ie , the POP server that the user actually downloads the mail from ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm willing to bet that there are some internet mailing lists that sent audio files to their members back in the 1990s at least.
Not sure if that's different since mailing lists typically "push" the data to an intermediary for download (ie, the POP server that the user actually downloads the mail from).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173800</id>
	<title>Re:Not exactly related to the patent</title>
	<author>Garridan</author>
	<datestamp>1258743240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Similarly, Red vs. Blue has been around since early 2003.  They didn't call 'em podcasts, but same deal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Similarly , Red vs. Blue has been around since early 2003 .
They did n't call 'em podcasts , but same deal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Similarly, Red vs. Blue has been around since early 2003.
They didn't call 'em podcasts, but same deal.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173322</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173674</id>
	<title>TV</title>
	<author>Mikkeles</author>
	<datestamp>1258742760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You mean like cable television?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean like cable television ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean like cable television?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173350</id>
	<title>Patently stupid.</title>
	<author>JDeane</author>
	<datestamp>1258741500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think most people have taped a show from the radio on a cassette tape back in the day to listen to on a walkman when they did not have built in FM tuners.... I feel so old now.</p><p>This is one of those patents that is almost like "I now patent the act of scheduling"</p><p>This story has made me depressed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think most people have taped a show from the radio on a cassette tape back in the day to listen to on a walkman when they did not have built in FM tuners.... I feel so old now.This is one of those patents that is almost like " I now patent the act of scheduling " This story has made me depressed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think most people have taped a show from the radio on a cassette tape back in the day to listen to on a walkman when they did not have built in FM tuners.... I feel so old now.This is one of those patents that is almost like "I now patent the act of scheduling"This story has made me depressed.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174316</id>
	<title>Re:Tired of this crap...</title>
	<author>amoeba1911</author>
	<datestamp>1258744920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, how do we stop it?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , how do we stop it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, how do we stop it?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173786</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30181420</id>
	<title>Re:Claim 1, not that anyone will read it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258733040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Looks like MSIE subscription channels from the mid-90's. The channels were used to deliver episodic media at regular intervals after subscription (I believe there was even an IBM channel)-- not exactly podcasting, but analogue to the patent description. Built right into the early versions of MSIE (maybe v2 or 3).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Looks like MSIE subscription channels from the mid-90 's .
The channels were used to deliver episodic media at regular intervals after subscription ( I believe there was even an IBM channel ) -- not exactly podcasting , but analogue to the patent description .
Built right into the early versions of MSIE ( maybe v2 or 3 ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looks like MSIE subscription channels from the mid-90's.
The channels were used to deliver episodic media at regular intervals after subscription (I believe there was even an IBM channel)-- not exactly podcasting, but analogue to the patent description.
Built right into the early versions of MSIE (maybe v2 or 3).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173666</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30175266</id>
	<title>Re:Not exactly related to the patent</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1258747920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I did one back in 1999 when I had the Springfield Fragfest, a Quake site. I think I still have the MP3s of my daughter doing Quake Christmas carols I wrote for the Christmas show that year, "I saw Mommie Fragging Santa Claus" and "Rudolph the Four Legged Stroggie".</p><p>I did shoutcasts about every other week, with rock and roll music blatantly infringing RIAA copyrights that was put in the context so that the meanings were changed, making them about Quake. I also infringed copyright with mashups of various stuff (which should have been fair use, IMO it was but I'd probably have lost any lawsuits). The favorite of those I did was a sample from Star Trek "We are the borg. You will be assimilated. Resistancs is futile." With South Park's Mr. Hankey replying, "Well, let me get my toothbrush!"</p><p>Man but it was fun doing that site. It got so I had more fun with the site than with the game. But there is most certainly prior art; I was doing some of the prior art.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I did one back in 1999 when I had the Springfield Fragfest , a Quake site .
I think I still have the MP3s of my daughter doing Quake Christmas carols I wrote for the Christmas show that year , " I saw Mommie Fragging Santa Claus " and " Rudolph the Four Legged Stroggie " .I did shoutcasts about every other week , with rock and roll music blatantly infringing RIAA copyrights that was put in the context so that the meanings were changed , making them about Quake .
I also infringed copyright with mashups of various stuff ( which should have been fair use , IMO it was but I 'd probably have lost any lawsuits ) .
The favorite of those I did was a sample from Star Trek " We are the borg .
You will be assimilated .
Resistancs is futile .
" With South Park 's Mr. Hankey replying , " Well , let me get my toothbrush !
" Man but it was fun doing that site .
It got so I had more fun with the site than with the game .
But there is most certainly prior art ; I was doing some of the prior art .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I did one back in 1999 when I had the Springfield Fragfest, a Quake site.
I think I still have the MP3s of my daughter doing Quake Christmas carols I wrote for the Christmas show that year, "I saw Mommie Fragging Santa Claus" and "Rudolph the Four Legged Stroggie".I did shoutcasts about every other week, with rock and roll music blatantly infringing RIAA copyrights that was put in the context so that the meanings were changed, making them about Quake.
I also infringed copyright with mashups of various stuff (which should have been fair use, IMO it was but I'd probably have lost any lawsuits).
The favorite of those I did was a sample from Star Trek "We are the borg.
You will be assimilated.
Resistancs is futile.
" With South Park's Mr. Hankey replying, "Well, let me get my toothbrush!
"Man but it was fun doing that site.
It got so I had more fun with the site than with the game.
But there is most certainly prior art; I was doing some of the prior art.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173322</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30184572</id>
	<title>NIH Pod/Vod</title>
	<author>DynaSoar</author>
	<datestamp>1258821360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Forwarded to EFF:</p><p>National Institutes of Health were doing pod/vodcasting including via subscription when I first arrived in June 2002. The office responsible is the Center for Informational Technology. The benefit here is that NIH is under instruction from the office of the director to make every effort to provide information to the people for whose benefit NIH exists, the US public. Although intended to refer to health information, there is nothing in the directives that preclude CIT from providing details regarding *casting technology history as well as evidence in the form of samples from their archives.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Forwarded to EFF : National Institutes of Health were doing pod/vodcasting including via subscription when I first arrived in June 2002 .
The office responsible is the Center for Informational Technology .
The benefit here is that NIH is under instruction from the office of the director to make every effort to provide information to the people for whose benefit NIH exists , the US public .
Although intended to refer to health information , there is nothing in the directives that preclude CIT from providing details regarding * casting technology history as well as evidence in the form of samples from their archives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Forwarded to EFF:National Institutes of Health were doing pod/vodcasting including via subscription when I first arrived in June 2002.
The office responsible is the Center for Informational Technology.
The benefit here is that NIH is under instruction from the office of the director to make every effort to provide information to the people for whose benefit NIH exists, the US public.
Although intended to refer to health information, there is nothing in the directives that preclude CIT from providing details regarding *casting technology history as well as evidence in the form of samples from their archives.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174306</id>
	<title>Re:Claim 1, not that anyone will read it</title>
	<author>anegg</author>
	<datestamp>1258744860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oh, you mean like subscribing to a cable channel like ESPN, then "time-shifting" a favorite program/game using a VCR (remember those)?  That meets most of the conditions (channel depth was how much unrecorded tape was left on the cassette).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , you mean like subscribing to a cable channel like ESPN , then " time-shifting " a favorite program/game using a VCR ( remember those ) ?
That meets most of the conditions ( channel depth was how much unrecorded tape was left on the cassette ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, you mean like subscribing to a cable channel like ESPN, then "time-shifting" a favorite program/game using a VCR (remember those)?
That meets most of the conditions (channel depth was how much unrecorded tape was left on the cassette).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173666</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173548</id>
	<title>Radio and TV episodes by mail</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258742280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's the difference?</p><p>Some people I know pay a fee and get episodes on tape, cd, beta, vhs, dvd...mailed to them every month.</p><p>It is a business method, not patentable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's the difference ? Some people I know pay a fee and get episodes on tape , cd , beta , vhs , dvd...mailed to them every month.It is a business method , not patentable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's the difference?Some people I know pay a fee and get episodes on tape, cd, beta, vhs, dvd...mailed to them every month.It is a business method, not patentable.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30175560</id>
	<title>Allgames.com  started podcasting back in 1996</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258748820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Allgames.com  started podcasting back in 1996</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Allgames.com started podcasting back in 1996</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Allgames.com  started podcasting back in 1996</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173584</id>
	<title>Pre-programmed episodic media</title>
	<author>flaming error</author>
	<datestamp>1258742400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>methods that allow a user to download pre-programmed episodic media like audio files or video files from a remote publisher, with the download occurring after the user subscribes to the episodes, and with the user continuing to automatically receive new episodes</p></div><p>Well, starting in 1977 users who wanted to watch a pre-programmed episodic audio/video stream called "Inside the NFL" could subscribe to the cable TV HBO/Showtime channel, and after subscribing would continue to automatically receive new episodes.  Does that count?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>methods that allow a user to download pre-programmed episodic media like audio files or video files from a remote publisher , with the download occurring after the user subscribes to the episodes , and with the user continuing to automatically receive new episodesWell , starting in 1977 users who wanted to watch a pre-programmed episodic audio/video stream called " Inside the NFL " could subscribe to the cable TV HBO/Showtime channel , and after subscribing would continue to automatically receive new episodes .
Does that count ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>methods that allow a user to download pre-programmed episodic media like audio files or video files from a remote publisher, with the download occurring after the user subscribes to the episodes, and with the user continuing to automatically receive new episodesWell, starting in 1977 users who wanted to watch a pre-programmed episodic audio/video stream called "Inside the NFL" could subscribe to the cable TV HBO/Showtime channel, and after subscribing would continue to automatically receive new episodes.
Does that count?
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174478</id>
	<title>Pointcast: anyone remembers?</title>
	<author>GuerreroDelInterfaz</author>
	<datestamp>1258745460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, that. Before podcasts, there was Pointcast.</p><p>It failed but it was basically that, news podcasts without the iPod.</p><p>--<br>El Guerrero del Interfaz</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , that .
Before podcasts , there was Pointcast.It failed but it was basically that , news podcasts without the iPod.--El Guerrero del Interfaz</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, that.
Before podcasts, there was Pointcast.It failed but it was basically that, news podcasts without the iPod.--El Guerrero del Interfaz</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30177226</id>
	<title>Napster on dial-up</title>
	<author>dorianh49</author>
	<datestamp>1258711560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I got one song a week. Does that count?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I got one song a week .
Does that count ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I got one song a week.
Does that count?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30176880</id>
	<title>Re:Please help me understand</title>
	<author>rwv</author>
	<datestamp>1258710480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If a patent is (wrongly) awarded for a technology that has been covered by prior art, even if the prior art has not previously been patented, what is the legal status of the patent and the prior art?</p></div><p>You can patent something that somebody has implemented, but not published.  When the patent is granted, you can sue the originating implementer and compel them to (a) stop doing business based on the claims in your patent, or (b) license your patent.

</p><p>If the original implementer PUBLISHED the inventor before you filed for your patent, then that demonstrates prior art and it would cause a real legal battle if you manner to get a patent for it.

</p><p>IANAL, but I did attend an information session presented by my companies resident IP lawyer recently.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If a patent is ( wrongly ) awarded for a technology that has been covered by prior art , even if the prior art has not previously been patented , what is the legal status of the patent and the prior art ? You can patent something that somebody has implemented , but not published .
When the patent is granted , you can sue the originating implementer and compel them to ( a ) stop doing business based on the claims in your patent , or ( b ) license your patent .
If the original implementer PUBLISHED the inventor before you filed for your patent , then that demonstrates prior art and it would cause a real legal battle if you manner to get a patent for it .
IANAL , but I did attend an information session presented by my companies resident IP lawyer recently .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If a patent is (wrongly) awarded for a technology that has been covered by prior art, even if the prior art has not previously been patented, what is the legal status of the patent and the prior art?You can patent something that somebody has implemented, but not published.
When the patent is granted, you can sue the originating implementer and compel them to (a) stop doing business based on the claims in your patent, or (b) license your patent.
If the original implementer PUBLISHED the inventor before you filed for your patent, then that demonstrates prior art and it would cause a real legal battle if you manner to get a patent for it.
IANAL, but I did attend an information session presented by my companies resident IP lawyer recently.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174904</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30175550</id>
	<title>Art Bell - Coast to Coast</title>
	<author>lena\_10326</author>
	<datestamp>1258748820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Art Bell was podcasting in 1998. Even by then there were several years of archives so the starting date was probably closer to 1995. <a href="http://archive.coasttocoastam.com/gen/podcast.html" title="coasttocoastam.com">http://archive.coasttocoastam.com/gen/podcast.html</a> [coasttocoastam.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Art Bell was podcasting in 1998 .
Even by then there were several years of archives so the starting date was probably closer to 1995. http : //archive.coasttocoastam.com/gen/podcast.html [ coasttocoastam.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Art Bell was podcasting in 1998.
Even by then there were several years of archives so the starting date was probably closer to 1995. http://archive.coasttocoastam.com/gen/podcast.html [coasttocoastam.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173328</id>
	<title>en.swpat.org/wiki/VoloMedia's\_podcasting\_patent</title>
	<author>H4x0r Jim Duggan</author>
	<datestamp>1258741380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>More info on swpat.org:

<ul>
<li> <a href="http://en.swpat.org/wiki/VoloMedia's\_podcasting\_patent" title="swpat.org">http://en.swpat.org/wiki/VoloMedia's\_podcasting\_patent</a> [swpat.org] </li></ul></htmltext>
<tokenext>More info on swpat.org : http : //en.swpat.org/wiki/VoloMedia 's \ _podcasting \ _patent [ swpat.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More info on swpat.org:


 http://en.swpat.org/wiki/VoloMedia's\_podcasting\_patent [swpat.org] </sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30176424</id>
	<title>push!</title>
	<author>zentigger</author>
	<datestamp>1258708800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The whole idea of "push" media spawned back around 1995 with Pointcast, Marimba, BackWeb and others.  It was The Next Big Thing(TM)  and it was going to change the way we used the internet.  Of course at the time most people were still using 28.8K dialup at home and didn't want to wait for an hour while all your new content downloaded as soon as you connected.</p><p>Most of this was much more general than just pushing podcasts, but the whole idea of subscribing to a "channel" that updates you and automatically downloads when new content is available is what push media was all about.  I could go on, but Wired Magazine headlined this in their <a href="http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/5.03/" title="wired.com">March '97</a> [wired.com] issue, or just <a href="http://www.google.ca/search?source=ig&amp;hl=en&amp;rlz=&amp;q=news+push+media&amp;btnG=Google+Search&amp;meta=lr\%3D&amp;aq=undefined&amp;oq=news+push+medi" title="google.ca">google</a> [google.ca] it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The whole idea of " push " media spawned back around 1995 with Pointcast , Marimba , BackWeb and others .
It was The Next Big Thing ( TM ) and it was going to change the way we used the internet .
Of course at the time most people were still using 28.8K dialup at home and did n't want to wait for an hour while all your new content downloaded as soon as you connected.Most of this was much more general than just pushing podcasts , but the whole idea of subscribing to a " channel " that updates you and automatically downloads when new content is available is what push media was all about .
I could go on , but Wired Magazine headlined this in their March '97 [ wired.com ] issue , or just google [ google.ca ] it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The whole idea of "push" media spawned back around 1995 with Pointcast, Marimba, BackWeb and others.
It was The Next Big Thing(TM)  and it was going to change the way we used the internet.
Of course at the time most people were still using 28.8K dialup at home and didn't want to wait for an hour while all your new content downloaded as soon as you connected.Most of this was much more general than just pushing podcasts, but the whole idea of subscribing to a "channel" that updates you and automatically downloads when new content is available is what push media was all about.
I could go on, but Wired Magazine headlined this in their March '97 [wired.com] issue, or just google [google.ca] it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30181652</id>
	<title>Re:Wikipedia</title>
	<author>Dan541</author>
	<datestamp>1258735560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The evidence of prior art is everywhere, but that doesn't stop the patent office handing them out. Has the patent office ever rejected anything?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The evidence of prior art is everywhere , but that does n't stop the patent office handing them out .
Has the patent office ever rejected anything ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The evidence of prior art is everywhere, but that doesn't stop the patent office handing them out.
Has the patent office ever rejected anything?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173440</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30178068</id>
	<title>sounds like usenet netnews to me...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258714320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>your local site subscribes to various news feeds.</p><p>They're automatically downloaded to your news server.</p><p>Your news-reader client tells you how many unread items you have in the queues you've subscribed to.  I know that there was text and pictures<br>(multimedia) in various alt.binary groups, etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>your local site subscribes to various news feeds.They 're automatically downloaded to your news server.Your news-reader client tells you how many unread items you have in the queues you 've subscribed to .
I know that there was text and pictures ( multimedia ) in various alt.binary groups , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>your local site subscribes to various news feeds.They're automatically downloaded to your news server.Your news-reader client tells you how many unread items you have in the queues you've subscribed to.
I know that there was text and pictures(multimedia) in various alt.binary groups, etc.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174338</id>
	<title>Re:Tired of this crap...</title>
	<author>t33jster</author>
	<datestamp>1258744980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Anyone else tired of this patent crap?</p></div><p>
I'm pretty sure the EFF is tired of this crap, hence the request for prior art.  I suppose though, that you're pointing to the fact that the patent is even considered, let alone issued.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone else tired of this patent crap ?
I 'm pretty sure the EFF is tired of this crap , hence the request for prior art .
I suppose though , that you 're pointing to the fact that the patent is even considered , let alone issued .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone else tired of this patent crap?
I'm pretty sure the EFF is tired of this crap, hence the request for prior art.
I suppose though, that you're pointing to the fact that the patent is even considered, let alone issued.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173786</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174328</id>
	<title>The Harrow Technology Report</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258744920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I remember downloading the Technology Report from Jeffrey Harrow (or whatever it was called at the time) once a week back in the 1990's. We didn't call it podcasting then, but it was available in audio format (mp3 and before), and you could call them episodes. You could have it emailed to you or there were many automated solutions. There was a unique URL for each episode and a 'latest' URL that would always point to the latest episode. I first subscribed when he was with Digital. Later, he 'casted from Compaq and the last time I listened, he was at theharrowgroup.com</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I remember downloading the Technology Report from Jeffrey Harrow ( or whatever it was called at the time ) once a week back in the 1990 's .
We did n't call it podcasting then , but it was available in audio format ( mp3 and before ) , and you could call them episodes .
You could have it emailed to you or there were many automated solutions .
There was a unique URL for each episode and a 'latest ' URL that would always point to the latest episode .
I first subscribed when he was with Digital .
Later , he 'casted from Compaq and the last time I listened , he was at theharrowgroup.com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I remember downloading the Technology Report from Jeffrey Harrow (or whatever it was called at the time) once a week back in the 1990's.
We didn't call it podcasting then, but it was available in audio format (mp3 and before), and you could call them episodes.
You could have it emailed to you or there were many automated solutions.
There was a unique URL for each episode and a 'latest' URL that would always point to the latest episode.
I first subscribed when he was with Digital.
Later, he 'casted from Compaq and the last time I listened, he was at theharrowgroup.com</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174608</id>
	<title>Re:Claim 1, not that anyone will read it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258745880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems to me that this is describing a subset of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push\_technology" title="wikipedia.org">push technology</a> [wikipedia.org], such as PointCast back in the day, and even those "<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active\_Desktop" title="wikipedia.org">channels</a> [wikipedia.org]" you used to be able to subscribe to in Windows 95. PointCast predates this patent app by a number of years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems to me that this is describing a subset of push technology [ wikipedia.org ] , such as PointCast back in the day , and even those " channels [ wikipedia.org ] " you used to be able to subscribe to in Windows 95 .
PointCast predates this patent app by a number of years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems to me that this is describing a subset of push technology [wikipedia.org], such as PointCast back in the day, and even those "channels [wikipedia.org]" you used to be able to subscribe to in Windows 95.
PointCast predates this patent app by a number of years.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173666</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30175008</id>
	<title>Re:Shoutcast</title>
	<author>ajs</author>
	<datestamp>1258747200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Streaming is irrelevant. The patent is about downloading and managing subscriptions to audio files. It covers fetching new files when they're updated and making room on local storage by deleting older files.</p><p>Come to think of it, the best prior art for this is Usenet. Audio newsgroups contained audio files that were subscribed to by the user and news server software would make room for new files by deleting the old.</p><p>Yep, I think that'd about do it.</p><p>Also, the <a href="http://backend.userland.com/rss092" title="userland.com">RSS standards history</a> [userland.com] can probably point to some earlier implementations of client-side file management if you follow it down the rabbit hole far enough.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Streaming is irrelevant .
The patent is about downloading and managing subscriptions to audio files .
It covers fetching new files when they 're updated and making room on local storage by deleting older files.Come to think of it , the best prior art for this is Usenet .
Audio newsgroups contained audio files that were subscribed to by the user and news server software would make room for new files by deleting the old.Yep , I think that 'd about do it.Also , the RSS standards history [ userland.com ] can probably point to some earlier implementations of client-side file management if you follow it down the rabbit hole far enough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Streaming is irrelevant.
The patent is about downloading and managing subscriptions to audio files.
It covers fetching new files when they're updated and making room on local storage by deleting older files.Come to think of it, the best prior art for this is Usenet.
Audio newsgroups contained audio files that were subscribed to by the user and news server software would make room for new files by deleting the old.Yep, I think that'd about do it.Also, the RSS standards history [userland.com] can probably point to some earlier implementations of client-side file management if you follow it down the rabbit hole far enough.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174686</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30175470</id>
	<title>Re:Claim 1, not that anyone will read it</title>
	<author>radtea</author>
	<datestamp>1258748640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>1. A method for providing episodic media, the method comprising:</i></p><p>Thank-you for fulfilling and important step in the rigidly scripted<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. patent-story method patent:</p><p>1) Editors post patent-related story with false headline and misleading summary</p><p>2) Commentors who know nothing about patent law and who have not read the claims respond with outrage</p><p>3) Someone posts the actual claims, thereby demonstrating the headline is false and the summary misleading.</p><p>4) Outrage continues unabated, although sometimes its target shifts to the supposed trivialiality of the actual claims.</p><p>5) I post a message like this, which no one reads.</p><p>6) Discussion peters out, having changed nothing, and educated no one about the nature of patents or about the nature of<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. patent stories, which always have false headlines, misleading summaries, and rigidly follow this script.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
A method for providing episodic media , the method comprising : Thank-you for fulfilling and important step in the rigidly scripted / .
patent-story method patent : 1 ) Editors post patent-related story with false headline and misleading summary2 ) Commentors who know nothing about patent law and who have not read the claims respond with outrage3 ) Someone posts the actual claims , thereby demonstrating the headline is false and the summary misleading.4 ) Outrage continues unabated , although sometimes its target shifts to the supposed trivialiality of the actual claims.5 ) I post a message like this , which no one reads.6 ) Discussion peters out , having changed nothing , and educated no one about the nature of patents or about the nature of / .
patent stories , which always have false headlines , misleading summaries , and rigidly follow this script .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
A method for providing episodic media, the method comprising:Thank-you for fulfilling and important step in the rigidly scripted /.
patent-story method patent:1) Editors post patent-related story with false headline and misleading summary2) Commentors who know nothing about patent law and who have not read the claims respond with outrage3) Someone posts the actual claims, thereby demonstrating the headline is false and the summary misleading.4) Outrage continues unabated, although sometimes its target shifts to the supposed trivialiality of the actual claims.5) I post a message like this, which no one reads.6) Discussion peters out, having changed nothing, and educated no one about the nature of patents or about the nature of /.
patent stories, which always have false headlines, misleading summaries, and rigidly follow this script.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173666</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30176070</id>
	<title>Patent the process of getting silly pattents.</title>
	<author>TravisHein</author>
	<datestamp>1258707600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wonder when will someone just patent the procedure for patenting obvious concepts.  How awesome would that be, could cash in on all of these types,  and then we won't have to spend our time commenting on these silly patents [for existing] concepts.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder when will someone just patent the procedure for patenting obvious concepts .
How awesome would that be , could cash in on all of these types , and then we wo n't have to spend our time commenting on these silly patents [ for existing ] concepts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder when will someone just patent the procedure for patenting obvious concepts.
How awesome would that be, could cash in on all of these types,  and then we won't have to spend our time commenting on these silly patents [for existing] concepts.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30176300</id>
	<title>no different from VCR timer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258708440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Iv'e been doing that since they invented VCRs with a timed record feature. About twenty years now (except now I use a DVR).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Iv'e been doing that since they invented VCRs with a timed record feature .
About twenty years now ( except now I use a DVR ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Iv'e been doing that since they invented VCRs with a timed record feature.
About twenty years now (except now I use a DVR).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30175174</id>
	<title>Re:Not sure</title>
	<author>thePowerOfGrayskull</author>
	<datestamp>1258747680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have mod points, but alas there is no "+1 wait, what?" moderation available.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have mod points , but alas there is no " + 1 wait , what ?
" moderation available .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have mod points, but alas there is no "+1 wait, what?
" moderation available.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174264</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173492</id>
	<title>Mortality.net show Feb 2002</title>
	<author>lrsach01</author>
	<datestamp>1258741980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mortality.net Radio was posting episodes back in February 2002. The kicker is how it applies to the patent. It satisfies Claim 1A, but none of the others like subscription, auto-downloading, or showing if there is space remaining for the download (except how that is already covered in operating systems and/or web browsers).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mortality.net Radio was posting episodes back in February 2002 .
The kicker is how it applies to the patent .
It satisfies Claim 1A , but none of the others like subscription , auto-downloading , or showing if there is space remaining for the download ( except how that is already covered in operating systems and/or web browsers ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mortality.net Radio was posting episodes back in February 2002.
The kicker is how it applies to the patent.
It satisfies Claim 1A, but none of the others like subscription, auto-downloading, or showing if there is space remaining for the download (except how that is already covered in operating systems and/or web browsers).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30175606</id>
	<title>Re:Shoutcast</title>
	<author>DavidTC</author>
	<datestamp>1258749000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I made <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1451630&amp;cid=30175554" title="slashdot.org">my post</a> [slashdot.org] before I saw yours. Yeah, Usenet is pretty much prior art.</p><p>
Read my post which tries to directly address each claim. Namely, you need an 'episodic content' aspect, which, luckily, illegal television newsgroups provide.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I made my post [ slashdot.org ] before I saw yours .
Yeah , Usenet is pretty much prior art .
Read my post which tries to directly address each claim .
Namely , you need an 'episodic content ' aspect , which , luckily , illegal television newsgroups provide .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I made my post [slashdot.org] before I saw yours.
Yeah, Usenet is pretty much prior art.
Read my post which tries to directly address each claim.
Namely, you need an 'episodic content' aspect, which, luckily, illegal television newsgroups provide.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30175008</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30185764</id>
	<title>I hope not</title>
	<author>jbatista</author>
	<datestamp>1258828080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm secretly hoping no prior art is found. Such issue would raise public awareness to the idiocy of how patenting is being applied to the software world. I guess many people would simply give up without trying to find out why, but sometimes we need a big accident or something "famous" dying to shock people into realizing the erring ways.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm secretly hoping no prior art is found .
Such issue would raise public awareness to the idiocy of how patenting is being applied to the software world .
I guess many people would simply give up without trying to find out why , but sometimes we need a big accident or something " famous " dying to shock people into realizing the erring ways .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm secretly hoping no prior art is found.
Such issue would raise public awareness to the idiocy of how patenting is being applied to the software world.
I guess many people would simply give up without trying to find out why, but sometimes we need a big accident or something "famous" dying to shock people into realizing the erring ways.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174904</id>
	<title>Please help me understand</title>
	<author>Interoperable</author>
	<datestamp>1258746780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would like someone who is informed about the patent process to clarify for me, and by extension the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. community, an aspect of the patent process that I do not understand and seems to be a point of confusion among readers here:</p><p>If a patent is (wrongly) awarded for a technology that has been covered by prior art, even if the prior art has not previously been patented, what is the legal status of the patent and the prior art? Can the patent be a threat to prior art (could previously existing podcasting/RSS technology be threatened by legal challenges)? Would a challenge by the patent holder risk invalidating the patent when the defendant produced evidence of prior art? In the event of a legal battle where the patent was found to be invalid due to prior art, who would be responsible for legal costs?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would like someone who is informed about the patent process to clarify for me , and by extension the / .
community , an aspect of the patent process that I do not understand and seems to be a point of confusion among readers here : If a patent is ( wrongly ) awarded for a technology that has been covered by prior art , even if the prior art has not previously been patented , what is the legal status of the patent and the prior art ?
Can the patent be a threat to prior art ( could previously existing podcasting/RSS technology be threatened by legal challenges ) ?
Would a challenge by the patent holder risk invalidating the patent when the defendant produced evidence of prior art ?
In the event of a legal battle where the patent was found to be invalid due to prior art , who would be responsible for legal costs ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would like someone who is informed about the patent process to clarify for me, and by extension the /.
community, an aspect of the patent process that I do not understand and seems to be a point of confusion among readers here:If a patent is (wrongly) awarded for a technology that has been covered by prior art, even if the prior art has not previously been patented, what is the legal status of the patent and the prior art?
Can the patent be a threat to prior art (could previously existing podcasting/RSS technology be threatened by legal challenges)?
Would a challenge by the patent holder risk invalidating the patent when the defendant produced evidence of prior art?
In the event of a legal battle where the patent was found to be invalid due to prior art, who would be responsible for legal costs?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30176836</id>
	<title>Re:Claim 1, not that anyone will read it</title>
	<author>blueskies</author>
	<datestamp>1258710360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>IMAP.</p><p>1. Email INBOX is a channel where-in publishers of emails can provide episodic media<br>2. IMAP clients "subscribe" to a channel (server + folder)<br>3. IMAP clients automatically download updated episodic media from the channel without further interaction by the user<br>4. IMAP can be configured to give stats about "channel metadata" and get rid of old media (auto archive of emails over X days old, ect)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>IMAP.1 .
Email INBOX is a channel where-in publishers of emails can provide episodic media2 .
IMAP clients " subscribe " to a channel ( server + folder ) 3 .
IMAP clients automatically download updated episodic media from the channel without further interaction by the user4 .
IMAP can be configured to give stats about " channel metadata " and get rid of old media ( auto archive of emails over X days old , ect )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IMAP.1.
Email INBOX is a channel where-in publishers of emails can provide episodic media2.
IMAP clients "subscribe" to a channel (server + folder)3.
IMAP clients automatically download updated episodic media from the channel without further interaction by the user4.
IMAP can be configured to give stats about "channel metadata" and get rid of old media (auto archive of emails over X days old, ect)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173666</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30176786</id>
	<title>Re:Wikipedia</title>
	<author>wastedlife</author>
	<datestamp>1258710180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From the article:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>September 2000 - The first system that enabled the selection, automatic downloading and storage of serial episodic audio content on PCs and portable devices was launched by September 2000 [2] from another early MP3 player manufacturer, i2Go. To supply content for its portable mp3 players, i2Go, makers of the eGo player, introduced a digital audio news and entertainment service called MyAudio2Go.com that enabled users to download episodic news, sports, entertainment, weather, and music in audio format for listening on a PC, the eGo portable audio player, or other MP3 players. The i2GoMediaManager and the eGo file transfer application could be programmed to automatically download the latest episodic content available from user selected content types to a PC or portable device as desired. The service lasted over a year, but succumbed when the i2Go company ran out of capital during the dotcom crash and folded.</p></div><p>That seems pretty relevant to this case.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From the article : September 2000 - The first system that enabled the selection , automatic downloading and storage of serial episodic audio content on PCs and portable devices was launched by September 2000 [ 2 ] from another early MP3 player manufacturer , i2Go .
To supply content for its portable mp3 players , i2Go , makers of the eGo player , introduced a digital audio news and entertainment service called MyAudio2Go.com that enabled users to download episodic news , sports , entertainment , weather , and music in audio format for listening on a PC , the eGo portable audio player , or other MP3 players .
The i2GoMediaManager and the eGo file transfer application could be programmed to automatically download the latest episodic content available from user selected content types to a PC or portable device as desired .
The service lasted over a year , but succumbed when the i2Go company ran out of capital during the dotcom crash and folded.That seems pretty relevant to this case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the article:September 2000 - The first system that enabled the selection, automatic downloading and storage of serial episodic audio content on PCs and portable devices was launched by September 2000 [2] from another early MP3 player manufacturer, i2Go.
To supply content for its portable mp3 players, i2Go, makers of the eGo player, introduced a digital audio news and entertainment service called MyAudio2Go.com that enabled users to download episodic news, sports, entertainment, weather, and music in audio format for listening on a PC, the eGo portable audio player, or other MP3 players.
The i2GoMediaManager and the eGo file transfer application could be programmed to automatically download the latest episodic content available from user selected content types to a PC or portable device as desired.
The service lasted over a year, but succumbed when the i2Go company ran out of capital during the dotcom crash and folded.That seems pretty relevant to this case.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173440</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30181240</id>
	<title>BackWeb</title>
	<author>wosmo</author>
	<datestamp>1258731240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>weather.com were using backweb.com to do this in 99.  backweb seems to stem back to 96-97.  The user installed client-side backweb agent, then subscribed to one or more channels.  The backweb agent downloaded new content from these channels as and when it was added to the channel.  The content was 'multimedia', being pretty much anything that could be encapsulated in flash or java.

I don't know how it handled low-disk conditions for part 4 of claim 1, but "not dying horribly" should be an obvious extension to parts 1-3 of claim 1.</htmltext>
<tokenext>weather.com were using backweb.com to do this in 99. backweb seems to stem back to 96-97 .
The user installed client-side backweb agent , then subscribed to one or more channels .
The backweb agent downloaded new content from these channels as and when it was added to the channel .
The content was 'multimedia ' , being pretty much anything that could be encapsulated in flash or java .
I do n't know how it handled low-disk conditions for part 4 of claim 1 , but " not dying horribly " should be an obvious extension to parts 1-3 of claim 1 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>weather.com were using backweb.com to do this in 99.  backweb seems to stem back to 96-97.
The user installed client-side backweb agent, then subscribed to one or more channels.
The backweb agent downloaded new content from these channels as and when it was added to the channel.
The content was 'multimedia', being pretty much anything that could be encapsulated in flash or java.
I don't know how it handled low-disk conditions for part 4 of claim 1, but "not dying horribly" should be an obvious extension to parts 1-3 of claim 1.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30175286</id>
	<title>Re:"Method" patents</title>
	<author>Zordak</author>
	<datestamp>1258747980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Would the PTO (or the CFFC) accept a patent on the same business method, except that users send requests on postcards, the audio will be burned to CDs and mailed by post, and the subscription lists will be maintained in paper folders?</p> </div><p>If it was novel and nonobvious then yes, they would.  You seem to be confusing subject matter with obviousness.  You say that business methods should not be patentable, but then complain about the obviousness of a patent on a software method.  Business method patents != software patents.  Business method patents are looking like they are going to hammered by the Supreme Court, but I don't expect them to kill software patents.  And patentable subject matter != obviousness.  The question of patentable subject matter is "Should we refuse the applicant a patent even if this is the most brilliant, innovative, beneficial idea ever in the history of mankind."  Let's say you come up with a business method that will end all hunger and poverty in the world.  <em>Bilski</em> says you can't get a patent on it unless you tie it to a particular machine or transform matter, regardless of how innovative or nonobvious it is.  The method you described, on the other hand, does transform matter (for example, you burn CDs, seal envelopes, etc.).  So there's no question that it's patentable subject matter.  The question is, is it obvious?  They'd probably cite those obnoxious CD clubs against you, but you maybe could squeeze something out in the details.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Would the PTO ( or the CFFC ) accept a patent on the same business method , except that users send requests on postcards , the audio will be burned to CDs and mailed by post , and the subscription lists will be maintained in paper folders ?
If it was novel and nonobvious then yes , they would .
You seem to be confusing subject matter with obviousness .
You say that business methods should not be patentable , but then complain about the obviousness of a patent on a software method .
Business method patents ! = software patents .
Business method patents are looking like they are going to hammered by the Supreme Court , but I do n't expect them to kill software patents .
And patentable subject matter ! = obviousness .
The question of patentable subject matter is " Should we refuse the applicant a patent even if this is the most brilliant , innovative , beneficial idea ever in the history of mankind .
" Let 's say you come up with a business method that will end all hunger and poverty in the world .
Bilski says you ca n't get a patent on it unless you tie it to a particular machine or transform matter , regardless of how innovative or nonobvious it is .
The method you described , on the other hand , does transform matter ( for example , you burn CDs , seal envelopes , etc. ) .
So there 's no question that it 's patentable subject matter .
The question is , is it obvious ?
They 'd probably cite those obnoxious CD clubs against you , but you maybe could squeeze something out in the details .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would the PTO (or the CFFC) accept a patent on the same business method, except that users send requests on postcards, the audio will be burned to CDs and mailed by post, and the subscription lists will be maintained in paper folders?
If it was novel and nonobvious then yes, they would.
You seem to be confusing subject matter with obviousness.
You say that business methods should not be patentable, but then complain about the obviousness of a patent on a software method.
Business method patents != software patents.
Business method patents are looking like they are going to hammered by the Supreme Court, but I don't expect them to kill software patents.
And patentable subject matter != obviousness.
The question of patentable subject matter is "Should we refuse the applicant a patent even if this is the most brilliant, innovative, beneficial idea ever in the history of mankind.
"  Let's say you come up with a business method that will end all hunger and poverty in the world.
Bilski says you can't get a patent on it unless you tie it to a particular machine or transform matter, regardless of how innovative or nonobvious it is.
The method you described, on the other hand, does transform matter (for example, you burn CDs, seal envelopes, etc.).
So there's no question that it's patentable subject matter.
The question is, is it obvious?
They'd probably cite those obnoxious CD clubs against you, but you maybe could squeeze something out in the details.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173402</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30180262</id>
	<title>Re:Pre-programmed episodic media</title>
	<author>bill\_mcgonigle</author>
	<datestamp>1258724100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> += "On The Internet".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>+ = " On The Internet " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> += "On The Internet".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173584</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30177110</id>
	<title>The system is broken.</title>
	<author>bigtone78</author>
	<datestamp>1258711140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The patent system is so broken. You can get a patent for anything, Scott's Toliet Paper should hurry and get the patent for wiping your ass front to back before Cottenelle does first.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The patent system is so broken .
You can get a patent for anything , Scott 's Toliet Paper should hurry and get the patent for wiping your ass front to back before Cottenelle does first .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The patent system is so broken.
You can get a patent for anything, Scott's Toliet Paper should hurry and get the patent for wiping your ass front to back before Cottenelle does first.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173404</id>
	<title>Red vs Blue</title>
	<author>Kaleidoscopio</author>
	<datestamp>1258741680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wonder if it counts since it is:<br>
<br>
Episodic content............. Check<br>
Web Posted................... Check<br>
Already Up in 1993.......... Check<br>
<br>
Just my 1 cent of useless info...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if it counts since it is : Episodic content............. Check Web Posted................... Check Already Up in 1993.......... Check Just my 1 cent of useless info.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder if it counts since it is:

Episodic content............. Check
Web Posted................... Check
Already Up in 1993.......... Check

Just my 1 cent of useless info...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173440</id>
	<title>Wikipedia</title>
	<author>Minupla</author>
	<datestamp>1258741800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wikipedia has a whole section of prior art in their history section of the podcasting article <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History\_of\_podcasting" title="wikipedia.org">here</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wikipedia has a whole section of prior art in their history section of the podcasting article here [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wikipedia has a whole section of prior art in their history section of the podcasting article here [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174424</id>
	<title>Re:Not sure</title>
	<author>aoteoroa</author>
	<datestamp>1258745340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Around 1999, 2000 we used to do an online radio show called MacShowLive.  Every wednesday night we put together a show discussing new hardware, software and all things Mac related....it would stream live as the show was going on, and we archived each show so that people could download it later....

We long since stopped the show but I still have the hard drive from our BSD server, with all the shows archived.....That should probably count as prior art.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Around 1999 , 2000 we used to do an online radio show called MacShowLive .
Every wednesday night we put together a show discussing new hardware , software and all things Mac related....it would stream live as the show was going on , and we archived each show so that people could download it later... . We long since stopped the show but I still have the hard drive from our BSD server , with all the shows archived.....That should probably count as prior art .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Around 1999, 2000 we used to do an online radio show called MacShowLive.
Every wednesday night we put together a show discussing new hardware, software and all things Mac related....it would stream live as the show was going on, and we archived each show so that people could download it later....

We long since stopped the show but I still have the hard drive from our BSD server, with all the shows archived.....That should probably count as prior art.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173186</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173874</id>
	<title>10/2003 Napster Rerelease Almost Qualifies</title>
	<author>ideonexus</author>
	<datestamp>1258743480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ironically enough, it appears that the post-lawsuit relaunch of Napster almost hit the mark in October of 2003:
<p>
<a href="http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03\_42/b3854093\_mz063.htm" title="businessweek.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03\_42/b3854093\_mz063.htm</a> [businessweek.com]
</p><p>
It has a subscription option, and you can download content, but the problem is that the subscribed content is "streaming" and not automatically downloaded to the client computer. I'll be following this story as this patent would invalidate my Miro player.
</p><p>
I wish just one of these frivilous "process patents," which the high courts have ruled acceptable because they modify the physical components of a computer (ie. hard drive), would go to the Supreme Court, as the recent comments from its members signal they think the patents are ridiculous as well and would probably invalidate them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ironically enough , it appears that the post-lawsuit relaunch of Napster almost hit the mark in October of 2003 : http : //www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03 \ _42/b3854093 \ _mz063.htm [ businessweek.com ] It has a subscription option , and you can download content , but the problem is that the subscribed content is " streaming " and not automatically downloaded to the client computer .
I 'll be following this story as this patent would invalidate my Miro player .
I wish just one of these frivilous " process patents , " which the high courts have ruled acceptable because they modify the physical components of a computer ( ie .
hard drive ) , would go to the Supreme Court , as the recent comments from its members signal they think the patents are ridiculous as well and would probably invalidate them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ironically enough, it appears that the post-lawsuit relaunch of Napster almost hit the mark in October of 2003:

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03\_42/b3854093\_mz063.htm [businessweek.com]

It has a subscription option, and you can download content, but the problem is that the subscribed content is "streaming" and not automatically downloaded to the client computer.
I'll be following this story as this patent would invalidate my Miro player.
I wish just one of these frivilous "process patents," which the high courts have ruled acceptable because they modify the physical components of a computer (ie.
hard drive), would go to the Supreme Court, as the recent comments from its members signal they think the patents are ridiculous as well and would probably invalidate them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30176042</id>
	<title>VCR Plus+ ??</title>
	<author>Rubinstien</author>
	<datestamp>1258750680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>VCR Plus+ is essentially the same thing, in effect, and predates it by a couple of years: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video\_recorder\_scheduling\_code</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>VCR Plus + is essentially the same thing , in effect , and predates it by a couple of years : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video \ _recorder \ _scheduling \ _code</tokentext>
<sentencetext>VCR Plus+ is essentially the same thing, in effect, and predates it by a couple of years: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video\_recorder\_scheduling\_code</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30176668</id>
	<title>Re:Claim 1, not that anyone will read it</title>
	<author>mdsolar</author>
	<datestamp>1258709820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm pretty sure a number of newspapers have been offering daily emails of headlines for a long time.  News groups have offered digests episodically.  Any which have indicate the length of the digest have pretty much nail this.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm pretty sure a number of newspapers have been offering daily emails of headlines for a long time .
News groups have offered digests episodically .
Any which have indicate the length of the digest have pretty much nail this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm pretty sure a number of newspapers have been offering daily emails of headlines for a long time.
News groups have offered digests episodically.
Any which have indicate the length of the digest have pretty much nail this.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173666</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173840</id>
	<title>Year 2000</title>
	<author>dissy</author>
	<datestamp>1258743360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.mp3newswire.net/stories/2000/ego.html" title="mp3newswire.net">http://www.mp3newswire.net/stories/2000/ego.html</a> [mp3newswire.net]</p><p>* Test Drive of The i2Go eGo with IBM MicroDrive.<br>by Richard Menta 9/01/00</p><p><i>*snip*</i></p><p><b>More Options</b></p><p><i>*snip*</i></p><p>Want more options? I2Go MP3Agent, the software that comes with the player, has text-to-speech capabilities designed to translate the morning email into MP3 files to listen to on the commute in. This culd be a lifesaver to busy dot-com employees who get backlogged with a hundred messages.</p><p><b>MyAudio2Go.com</b></p><p>One of the best options available from the folks at i2Go is a website they created called MyAudio2Go.com. On this site you can download daily news stories in MP3 format. You can select articles covering the top news stories, sports, business and finance, even recaps of a dozen or so television shows like ER. We loved this site and the best news is you don't need an i2Go to download and play these files. Check this site out!</p><p><i>*snip*</i></p><p><b>Final Score A-</b></p><p>Copyright 2000 MP3 Newswire. All rights reserved.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.mp3newswire.net/stories/2000/ego.html [ mp3newswire.net ] * Test Drive of The i2Go eGo with IBM MicroDrive.by Richard Menta 9/01/00 * snip * More Options * snip * Want more options ?
I2Go MP3Agent , the software that comes with the player , has text-to-speech capabilities designed to translate the morning email into MP3 files to listen to on the commute in .
This culd be a lifesaver to busy dot-com employees who get backlogged with a hundred messages.MyAudio2Go.comOne of the best options available from the folks at i2Go is a website they created called MyAudio2Go.com .
On this site you can download daily news stories in MP3 format .
You can select articles covering the top news stories , sports , business and finance , even recaps of a dozen or so television shows like ER .
We loved this site and the best news is you do n't need an i2Go to download and play these files .
Check this site out !
* snip * Final Score A-Copyright 2000 MP3 Newswire .
All rights reserved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.mp3newswire.net/stories/2000/ego.html [mp3newswire.net]* Test Drive of The i2Go eGo with IBM MicroDrive.by Richard Menta 9/01/00*snip*More Options*snip*Want more options?
I2Go MP3Agent, the software that comes with the player, has text-to-speech capabilities designed to translate the morning email into MP3 files to listen to on the commute in.
This culd be a lifesaver to busy dot-com employees who get backlogged with a hundred messages.MyAudio2Go.comOne of the best options available from the folks at i2Go is a website they created called MyAudio2Go.com.
On this site you can download daily news stories in MP3 format.
You can select articles covering the top news stories, sports, business and finance, even recaps of a dozen or so television shows like ER.
We loved this site and the best news is you don't need an i2Go to download and play these files.
Check this site out!
*snip*Final Score A-Copyright 2000 MP3 Newswire.
All rights reserved.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173786</id>
	<title>Tired of this crap...</title>
	<author>binaryspiral</author>
	<datestamp>1258743180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anyone else tired of this patent crap?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone else tired of this patent crap ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone else tired of this patent crap?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30176994</id>
	<title>Re:Shoutcast</title>
	<author>blueskies</author>
	<datestamp>1258710720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't get caught up on audio.  It doesn't cover just audio files.  They used the blanket term media (which is a little weird), but they mean any medium: audio, video, or other files.  So usenet, list servers, pop, imap, etc all fit that bill.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't get caught up on audio .
It does n't cover just audio files .
They used the blanket term media ( which is a little weird ) , but they mean any medium : audio , video , or other files .
So usenet , list servers , pop , imap , etc all fit that bill .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't get caught up on audio.
It doesn't cover just audio files.
They used the blanket term media (which is a little weird), but they mean any medium: audio, video, or other files.
So usenet, list servers, pop, imap, etc all fit that bill.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30175008</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30177132</id>
	<title>ummm... RSS feeds?</title>
	<author>selquest</author>
	<datestamp>1258711260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>ouch?</htmltext>
<tokenext>ouch ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ouch?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174202</id>
	<title>RSS</title>
	<author>CHRONOSS2008</author>
	<datestamp>1258744560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://workbench.cadenhead.org/news/3168/can-worms-created-rss" title="cadenhead.org" rel="nofollow">http://workbench.cadenhead.org/news/3168/can-worms-created-rss</a> [cadenhead.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //workbench.cadenhead.org/news/3168/can-worms-created-rss [ cadenhead.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://workbench.cadenhead.org/news/3168/can-worms-created-rss [cadenhead.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173402</id>
	<title>"Method" patents</title>
	<author>l2718</author>
	<datestamp>1258741620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>The patent should be invalidated because business methods should not be patentable.  There's plenty of prior art for the individual pieces (making files available for download to subscribers is as old as the BBS, and email notifications when new files are available are not newer), but the patentee will claim "we are the first to put all these ideas together".  Of course what they did would have been obvious to anyone trying to solve the problem, but even that's not the point.  The real issue is with what they are trying to patent.  Would the PTO (or the CFFC) accept a patent on the same business method, except that users send requests on postcards, the audio will be burned to CDs and mailed by post, and the subscription lists will be maintained in paper folders?  If not, then the PTO should explain why sending files by post is not patentable, but sending them by internet is.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The patent should be invalidated because business methods should not be patentable .
There 's plenty of prior art for the individual pieces ( making files available for download to subscribers is as old as the BBS , and email notifications when new files are available are not newer ) , but the patentee will claim " we are the first to put all these ideas together " .
Of course what they did would have been obvious to anyone trying to solve the problem , but even that 's not the point .
The real issue is with what they are trying to patent .
Would the PTO ( or the CFFC ) accept a patent on the same business method , except that users send requests on postcards , the audio will be burned to CDs and mailed by post , and the subscription lists will be maintained in paper folders ?
If not , then the PTO should explain why sending files by post is not patentable , but sending them by internet is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The patent should be invalidated because business methods should not be patentable.
There's plenty of prior art for the individual pieces (making files available for download to subscribers is as old as the BBS, and email notifications when new files are available are not newer), but the patentee will claim "we are the first to put all these ideas together".
Of course what they did would have been obvious to anyone trying to solve the problem, but even that's not the point.
The real issue is with what they are trying to patent.
Would the PTO (or the CFFC) accept a patent on the same business method, except that users send requests on postcards, the audio will be burned to CDs and mailed by post, and the subscription lists will be maintained in paper folders?
If not, then the PTO should explain why sending files by post is not patentable, but sending them by internet is.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30176750</id>
	<title>Re:Patently stupid.</title>
	<author>fafaforza</author>
	<datestamp>1258710060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you kidding me?  Schedule a 90 minute tape to start recording the Stern show at 6AM.  I leave for school at 8 so I pop in another tape and start recording, and I schedule my other radio to catch the end of the show from 9:30 til it runs out.  A lot of calories burned for what now is a 5 minute torrent download.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you kidding me ?
Schedule a 90 minute tape to start recording the Stern show at 6AM .
I leave for school at 8 so I pop in another tape and start recording , and I schedule my other radio to catch the end of the show from 9 : 30 til it runs out .
A lot of calories burned for what now is a 5 minute torrent download .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you kidding me?
Schedule a 90 minute tape to start recording the Stern show at 6AM.
I leave for school at 8 so I pop in another tape and start recording, and I schedule my other radio to catch the end of the show from 9:30 til it runs out.
A lot of calories burned for what now is a 5 minute torrent download.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173350</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30180572</id>
	<title>Re:Not sure</title>
	<author>Lumpy</author>
	<datestamp>1258725960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Screw that, the guys from 2800 have been doing this for far longer than leo has even had the idea that computers were neat.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Screw that , the guys from 2800 have been doing this for far longer than leo has even had the idea that computers were neat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Screw that, the guys from 2800 have been doing this for far longer than leo has even had the idea that computers were neat.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173186</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30176608</id>
	<title>Re:Not sure</title>
	<author>FredFredrickson</author>
	<datestamp>1258709580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>How is "podcasting" any different than "shoutcasting"? I was doing shoutcasts back in the last century!</p></div><p>Podcasting is some retarded name for somebody posting normal old files online for downloading, and giving an RSS feed for software and mp3 players to play nice with the content.<br> <br>Shoutcasting is an ongoing stream.. just plainly internet radio that continuously streams.
<br> <br>The reason I hate the distinction is that people make up fancy trendy names for what's little more than downloading files with a nice organization. Stop tying to patent how the internet works!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How is " podcasting " any different than " shoutcasting " ?
I was doing shoutcasts back in the last century ! Podcasting is some retarded name for somebody posting normal old files online for downloading , and giving an RSS feed for software and mp3 players to play nice with the content .
Shoutcasting is an ongoing stream.. just plainly internet radio that continuously streams .
The reason I hate the distinction is that people make up fancy trendy names for what 's little more than downloading files with a nice organization .
Stop tying to patent how the internet works !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is "podcasting" any different than "shoutcasting"?
I was doing shoutcasts back in the last century!Podcasting is some retarded name for somebody posting normal old files online for downloading, and giving an RSS feed for software and mp3 players to play nice with the content.
Shoutcasting is an ongoing stream.. just plainly internet radio that continuously streams.
The reason I hate the distinction is that people make up fancy trendy names for what's little more than downloading files with a nice organization.
Stop tying to patent how the internet works!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174992</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174436</id>
	<title>Newsgroups?</title>
	<author>SnarfQuest</author>
	<datestamp>1258745340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does this patent cover newsgroups? I think that would be prior art.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does this patent cover newsgroups ?
I think that would be prior art .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does this patent cover newsgroups?
I think that would be prior art.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30175332</id>
	<title>Windows update?</title>
	<author>maxwells\_deamon</author>
	<datestamp>1258748160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>perhaps this counts.  if the fixed periodic nature is a problem,  just be a little lazy when putting things on the servers.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>perhaps this counts .
if the fixed periodic nature is a problem , just be a little lazy when putting things on the servers .
; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>perhaps this counts.
if the fixed periodic nature is a problem,  just be a little lazy when putting things on the servers.
;-)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173886</id>
	<title>Re:My patent</title>
	<author>vishbar</author>
	<datestamp>1258743540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>jimbobborg, apparently.</htmltext>
<tokenext>jimbobborg , apparently .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>jimbobborg, apparently.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173320</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30176676</id>
	<title>Napstser, DC, etc. duh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258709820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You could "download episodic content"  from a "publisher" for YEARS before 2003.. using the Peer to Peer networking scene tools.. that's exactly what they did, so prior art shouldn't be too hard to find, especially considering some of those scene tools were open source....</p><p>Dunno about you, but my university had about 8 TB of "episodic content" shared out on the local LAN with P2P tools by 2002..... mostly fansubbed anime episodes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You could " download episodic content " from a " publisher " for YEARS before 2003.. using the Peer to Peer networking scene tools.. that 's exactly what they did , so prior art should n't be too hard to find , especially considering some of those scene tools were open source....Dunno about you , but my university had about 8 TB of " episodic content " shared out on the local LAN with P2P tools by 2002..... mostly fansubbed anime episodes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could "download episodic content"  from a "publisher" for YEARS before 2003.. using the Peer to Peer networking scene tools.. that's exactly what they did, so prior art shouldn't be too hard to find, especially considering some of those scene tools were open source....Dunno about you, but my university had about 8 TB of "episodic content" shared out on the local LAN with P2P tools by 2002..... mostly fansubbed anime episodes.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173322</id>
	<title>Not exactly related to the patent</title>
	<author>Brazilian Geek</author>
	<datestamp>1258741380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>But weren't there a few guys, back in 1999 that used to have a pretty neat weekly show.  Back then I don't think they were called podcasts but I do remember that the shows were really fun.<br>
<br>
Anyway, I found a link to it on Wikipedia but I'm sure there are more links around.<br>
<br>
It was called <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geeks\_in\_Space" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Geeks in Space</a> [wikipedia.org], or something like that, and the site's admins that used to make the show was called flashdot, dashdot, slashdort or something like that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But were n't there a few guys , back in 1999 that used to have a pretty neat weekly show .
Back then I do n't think they were called podcasts but I do remember that the shows were really fun .
Anyway , I found a link to it on Wikipedia but I 'm sure there are more links around .
It was called Geeks in Space [ wikipedia.org ] , or something like that , and the site 's admins that used to make the show was called flashdot , dashdot , slashdort or something like that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But weren't there a few guys, back in 1999 that used to have a pretty neat weekly show.
Back then I don't think they were called podcasts but I do remember that the shows were really fun.
Anyway, I found a link to it on Wikipedia but I'm sure there are more links around.
It was called Geeks in Space [wikipedia.org], or something like that, and the site's admins that used to make the show was called flashdot, dashdot, slashdort or something like that.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174220</id>
	<title>I patent...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258744620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I patent... hmm, let me think, what is still patentable.... BEING STUPID! Yes, I patent being stupid! C'mon, 90\% of the USA, start paying me up!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I patent... hmm , let me think , what is still patentable.... BEING STUPID !
Yes , I patent being stupid !
C'mon , 90 \ % of the USA , start paying me up !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I patent... hmm, let me think, what is still patentable.... BEING STUPID!
Yes, I patent being stupid!
C'mon, 90\% of the USA, start paying me up!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30178886</id>
	<title>Re:What's actually been patented?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258717440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It could also apply to usenet feeds -- I'm sure alt.binaries.tv.simpsons was performing this via Netscape, tin, pine, and other clients long before.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>A. Claim 1<br>Claim 1 covers a method for subscribing to a media channel that contains predefined<br>episodic media and downloading that episodic media for later use. Claim 1<br>contains the following steps:<br>
&nbsp; Allowing access to a channel that contains pre-defined episodic media; [check]<br>
&nbsp; Allowing the user to subscribe to a channel that contains the user&rsquo;s desired episodic<br>media; [possibly, depending on client]<br>
&nbsp; Automatically downloading the user&rsquo;s selected episodic media whenever that media<br>has been updated; and [possibly, depending on client]<br>
&nbsp; Showing the user the amount of space the user has left in certain channels and how<br>much space is needed to finish downloading the selected episodic media; if there is<br>not enough space left for the download, then the user may select what episodic media<br>to delete.[all of these are true for Netscape Communicator]</p></div><p><div class="quote"><p>B. Claim 2<br>Claim 2 is dependent on claim 1, but adds the limitation that the user is<br>&ldquo;automatically&rdquo; provided with an indication that updated episodic media content is<br>available.</p></div><p>Netscape Communicator again.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>C. Claim 3<br>Claim 3 is dependant on claim 1, but adds the additional limitation of allowing the<br>user to synchronize the downloaded episodic media to a portable computing device.</p></div><p>Not sure about this one.... When was AvantGo created for PalmOS?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>D. Claims 4 and 5<br>Claims 4 and 5 are dependent on claim 1, but add the additional limitations that<br>synchronization occurs in response to either a &ldquo;predetermined user setting&rdquo; or a<br>request from the user.</p></div><p>All of the above.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>E. Claim 6<br>Claim 6 is dependant on claim 1, but adds the additional limitation of making the<br>updated episodic media available to users over a local area network.</p></div><p>Not sure what they mean by this... limited to the LAN, or it bridges the firewall?<br>Either way, usenet handles this with local caches.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>F. Claim 7<br>Claim 7 is dependent on claim 1, but adds the additional limitation that the<br>automatic download is &ldquo;based on a priority&rdquo; assigned to the channel by either the user or<br>the system.</p></div><p>They might actually have something with this one... most priority-based mechanisms I know of are post-2003.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>G. Claims 8 and 9<br>Claim 8 is dependent on claim 3, but adds the additional limitation that the<br>channel is &ldquo;reduced in size&rdquo; during synchronization. Claim 9 is dependent on claim 1,<br>but adds the additional limitation that the channel is &ldquo;modified in size.&rdquo; For example, if<br>the user does not have enough available space on its personal computer or other portable<br>device to download the entire synchronization, the user or system may select that portion<br>it wishes to download up to the point where all the available space has been used up.</p></div><p>AvantGo or Plucker for PalmOS definitely meet this, depending on when they first appeared.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It could also apply to usenet feeds -- I 'm sure alt.binaries.tv.simpsons was performing this via Netscape , tin , pine , and other clients long before.A .
Claim 1Claim 1 covers a method for subscribing to a media channel that contains predefinedepisodic media and downloading that episodic media for later use .
Claim 1contains the following steps :   Allowing access to a channel that contains pre-defined episodic media ; [ check ]   Allowing the user to subscribe to a channel that contains the user    s desired episodicmedia ; [ possibly , depending on client ]   Automatically downloading the user    s selected episodic media whenever that mediahas been updated ; and [ possibly , depending on client ]   Showing the user the amount of space the user has left in certain channels and howmuch space is needed to finish downloading the selected episodic media ; if there isnot enough space left for the download , then the user may select what episodic mediato delete .
[ all of these are true for Netscape Communicator ] B. Claim 2Claim 2 is dependent on claim 1 , but adds the limitation that the user is    automatically    provided with an indication that updated episodic media content isavailable.Netscape Communicator again.C .
Claim 3Claim 3 is dependant on claim 1 , but adds the additional limitation of allowing theuser to synchronize the downloaded episodic media to a portable computing device.Not sure about this one.... When was AvantGo created for PalmOS ? D .
Claims 4 and 5Claims 4 and 5 are dependent on claim 1 , but add the additional limitations thatsynchronization occurs in response to either a    predetermined user setting    or arequest from the user.All of the above.E .
Claim 6Claim 6 is dependant on claim 1 , but adds the additional limitation of making theupdated episodic media available to users over a local area network.Not sure what they mean by this... limited to the LAN , or it bridges the firewall ? Either way , usenet handles this with local caches.F .
Claim 7Claim 7 is dependent on claim 1 , but adds the additional limitation that theautomatic download is    based on a priority    assigned to the channel by either the user orthe system.They might actually have something with this one... most priority-based mechanisms I know of are post-2003.G .
Claims 8 and 9Claim 8 is dependent on claim 3 , but adds the additional limitation that thechannel is    reduced in size    during synchronization .
Claim 9 is dependent on claim 1,but adds the additional limitation that the channel is    modified in size.    For example , ifthe user does not have enough available space on its personal computer or other portabledevice to download the entire synchronization , the user or system may select that portionit wishes to download up to the point where all the available space has been used up.AvantGo or Plucker for PalmOS definitely meet this , depending on when they first appeared .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It could also apply to usenet feeds -- I'm sure alt.binaries.tv.simpsons was performing this via Netscape, tin, pine, and other clients long before.A.
Claim 1Claim 1 covers a method for subscribing to a media channel that contains predefinedepisodic media and downloading that episodic media for later use.
Claim 1contains the following steps:
  Allowing access to a channel that contains pre-defined episodic media; [check]
  Allowing the user to subscribe to a channel that contains the user’s desired episodicmedia; [possibly, depending on client]
  Automatically downloading the user’s selected episodic media whenever that mediahas been updated; and [possibly, depending on client]
  Showing the user the amount of space the user has left in certain channels and howmuch space is needed to finish downloading the selected episodic media; if there isnot enough space left for the download, then the user may select what episodic mediato delete.
[all of these are true for Netscape Communicator]B. Claim 2Claim 2 is dependent on claim 1, but adds the limitation that the user is“automatically” provided with an indication that updated episodic media content isavailable.Netscape Communicator again.C.
Claim 3Claim 3 is dependant on claim 1, but adds the additional limitation of allowing theuser to synchronize the downloaded episodic media to a portable computing device.Not sure about this one.... When was AvantGo created for PalmOS?D.
Claims 4 and 5Claims 4 and 5 are dependent on claim 1, but add the additional limitations thatsynchronization occurs in response to either a “predetermined user setting” or arequest from the user.All of the above.E.
Claim 6Claim 6 is dependant on claim 1, but adds the additional limitation of making theupdated episodic media available to users over a local area network.Not sure what they mean by this... limited to the LAN, or it bridges the firewall?Either way, usenet handles this with local caches.F.
Claim 7Claim 7 is dependent on claim 1, but adds the additional limitation that theautomatic download is “based on a priority” assigned to the channel by either the user orthe system.They might actually have something with this one... most priority-based mechanisms I know of are post-2003.G.
Claims 8 and 9Claim 8 is dependent on claim 3, but adds the additional limitation that thechannel is “reduced in size” during synchronization.
Claim 9 is dependent on claim 1,but adds the additional limitation that the channel is “modified in size.” For example, ifthe user does not have enough available space on its personal computer or other portabledevice to download the entire synchronization, the user or system may select that portionit wishes to download up to the point where all the available space has been used up.AvantGo or Plucker for PalmOS definitely meet this, depending on when they first appeared.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173424</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174366</id>
	<title>"Podcasts" have existed for many decades...</title>
	<author>nero4wolfe</author>
	<datestamp>1258745100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd think you could go back much earlier.  Syndicated radio, back in the 1930's, was done by individual radio stations subscribing to a show; e.g. a "podcast".  "Downloads" were done by the syndicator making copies of records and mailing them to the subscribers.  I see zero difference between that and current podcasts where the "syndicator" puts audio/video files on a computer network so that subscribers can download them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd think you could go back much earlier .
Syndicated radio , back in the 1930 's , was done by individual radio stations subscribing to a show ; e.g .
a " podcast " .
" Downloads " were done by the syndicator making copies of records and mailing them to the subscribers .
I see zero difference between that and current podcasts where the " syndicator " puts audio/video files on a computer network so that subscribers can download them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd think you could go back much earlier.
Syndicated radio, back in the 1930's, was done by individual radio stations subscribing to a show; e.g.
a "podcast".
"Downloads" were done by the syndicator making copies of records and mailing them to the subscribers.
I see zero difference between that and current podcasts where the "syndicator" puts audio/video files on a computer network so that subscribers can download them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173784</id>
	<title>Art Bell</title>
	<author>AmigaHeretic</author>
	<datestamp>1258743180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hate to admit to it, but Art Bell use to do this with his radio show back in the 90s.  I remember getting RA streams running on my Amiga 1200.  It was so awesome.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hate to admit to it , but Art Bell use to do this with his radio show back in the 90s .
I remember getting RA streams running on my Amiga 1200 .
It was so awesome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hate to admit to it, but Art Bell use to do this with his radio show back in the 90s.
I remember getting RA streams running on my Amiga 1200.
It was so awesome.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174264</id>
	<title>Re:Not sure</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258744740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hello.  I have noticed you have made a mention of RealAudio in some way, shape, or form.  As a member of teh intarnets, I am required to make at least one "Buffering" joke at the expense of RealMedia, no matter how much this situation has changed in the past ten to fifteen years.</p><p>To provide you with some backstory as to this joke, I will mention that I was, in fact, a child of the 80s and 90s.  Like most such people, my mind is permanently stuck in that time period, because, as I am certain you are aware, everything was much much better back then.  For instance, video games were harder, and thus better, in the 8-bit and 16-bit eras, and it is my firm belief that the sole purpose of homebrew with modern consoles is to provide us with another vector of emulators so we can play Chrono Trigger for the eight thousandth time (as we all know, the eight thousandth time is the best), and that there is absolutely no reason why anyone should ever stop playing the Mega Man series non-stop.  Also, cartoons were far better in the 90s, especially Transformers (heralded by our Lord and Savior, Optimus Prime, hallowed be his name), and said cartoons were in no possible way cynically-designed marketing ploys to sell cheap plastic toys, which were also awesome and I have them all and refuse to give them up.</p><p>As you can see, I enjoy my pathetic attempts to live in the past, as, following my cultural entrenchment there, that is all I have*.  Therefore, I refuse to acknowledge any sort of external factors in RealMedia's historic buffering issues.  Issues such as, but not limited to, the lack of proliferation of broadband internet access like we have today.  Ergo, despite there not being any more problems with RealMedia than with other streaming media formats (in fact, some may say it is now far more reliable than many), it is so buried in my psyche and so desperately held on to as a reminder of a time long past when I was actually cool and popular that I must continue to make said jokes until such time as I die a bitter, broken man, missing out on life itself.</p><p>So, without further ado, I will state for the record that Leo may have done this back in the day, but after buffering, we only found out about it now.</p><p>Thank you, and good day to you.</p><p>*: As an amusingly ironic side note, I will delight in telling people older than I am to "get with the times" in any of a wide variety of ways.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hello .
I have noticed you have made a mention of RealAudio in some way , shape , or form .
As a member of teh intarnets , I am required to make at least one " Buffering " joke at the expense of RealMedia , no matter how much this situation has changed in the past ten to fifteen years.To provide you with some backstory as to this joke , I will mention that I was , in fact , a child of the 80s and 90s .
Like most such people , my mind is permanently stuck in that time period , because , as I am certain you are aware , everything was much much better back then .
For instance , video games were harder , and thus better , in the 8-bit and 16-bit eras , and it is my firm belief that the sole purpose of homebrew with modern consoles is to provide us with another vector of emulators so we can play Chrono Trigger for the eight thousandth time ( as we all know , the eight thousandth time is the best ) , and that there is absolutely no reason why anyone should ever stop playing the Mega Man series non-stop .
Also , cartoons were far better in the 90s , especially Transformers ( heralded by our Lord and Savior , Optimus Prime , hallowed be his name ) , and said cartoons were in no possible way cynically-designed marketing ploys to sell cheap plastic toys , which were also awesome and I have them all and refuse to give them up.As you can see , I enjoy my pathetic attempts to live in the past , as , following my cultural entrenchment there , that is all I have * .
Therefore , I refuse to acknowledge any sort of external factors in RealMedia 's historic buffering issues .
Issues such as , but not limited to , the lack of proliferation of broadband internet access like we have today .
Ergo , despite there not being any more problems with RealMedia than with other streaming media formats ( in fact , some may say it is now far more reliable than many ) , it is so buried in my psyche and so desperately held on to as a reminder of a time long past when I was actually cool and popular that I must continue to make said jokes until such time as I die a bitter , broken man , missing out on life itself.So , without further ado , I will state for the record that Leo may have done this back in the day , but after buffering , we only found out about it now.Thank you , and good day to you .
* : As an amusingly ironic side note , I will delight in telling people older than I am to " get with the times " in any of a wide variety of ways .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hello.
I have noticed you have made a mention of RealAudio in some way, shape, or form.
As a member of teh intarnets, I am required to make at least one "Buffering" joke at the expense of RealMedia, no matter how much this situation has changed in the past ten to fifteen years.To provide you with some backstory as to this joke, I will mention that I was, in fact, a child of the 80s and 90s.
Like most such people, my mind is permanently stuck in that time period, because, as I am certain you are aware, everything was much much better back then.
For instance, video games were harder, and thus better, in the 8-bit and 16-bit eras, and it is my firm belief that the sole purpose of homebrew with modern consoles is to provide us with another vector of emulators so we can play Chrono Trigger for the eight thousandth time (as we all know, the eight thousandth time is the best), and that there is absolutely no reason why anyone should ever stop playing the Mega Man series non-stop.
Also, cartoons were far better in the 90s, especially Transformers (heralded by our Lord and Savior, Optimus Prime, hallowed be his name), and said cartoons were in no possible way cynically-designed marketing ploys to sell cheap plastic toys, which were also awesome and I have them all and refuse to give them up.As you can see, I enjoy my pathetic attempts to live in the past, as, following my cultural entrenchment there, that is all I have*.
Therefore, I refuse to acknowledge any sort of external factors in RealMedia's historic buffering issues.
Issues such as, but not limited to, the lack of proliferation of broadband internet access like we have today.
Ergo, despite there not being any more problems with RealMedia than with other streaming media formats (in fact, some may say it is now far more reliable than many), it is so buried in my psyche and so desperately held on to as a reminder of a time long past when I was actually cool and popular that I must continue to make said jokes until such time as I die a bitter, broken man, missing out on life itself.So, without further ado, I will state for the record that Leo may have done this back in the day, but after buffering, we only found out about it now.Thank you, and good day to you.
*: As an amusingly ironic side note, I will delight in telling people older than I am to "get with the times" in any of a wide variety of ways.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173186</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173680</id>
	<title>Re:Not exactly related to the patent</title>
	<author>icebrain</author>
	<datestamp>1258742820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I did something like that in 2002 for an economics project in high school.  Only had three "episodes" and you could download them as mp3s.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I did something like that in 2002 for an economics project in high school .
Only had three " episodes " and you could download them as mp3s .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I did something like that in 2002 for an economics project in high school.
Only had three "episodes" and you could download them as mp3s.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173322</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173946</id>
	<title>FidoNet</title>
	<author>Tsar</author>
	<datestamp>1258743720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FidoNet" title="wikipedia.org">FidoNet</a> [wikipedia.org] has been in operation since 1984 and has always supported attachment of arbitrary files.  I'd suppose that the <a href="http://www.fidonews.info/public/fidonews/archive/1984/FIDO101.htm" title="fidonews.info">first issue of the FidoNews newsletter</a> [fidonews.info], dated 1 December of that year, probably constituted the first episodic media transmitted to subscribers on that system.  I don't know which issue was first to include a WAV or GIF file, but the capability was there from the beginning.</htmltext>
<tokenext>FidoNet [ wikipedia.org ] has been in operation since 1984 and has always supported attachment of arbitrary files .
I 'd suppose that the first issue of the FidoNews newsletter [ fidonews.info ] , dated 1 December of that year , probably constituted the first episodic media transmitted to subscribers on that system .
I do n't know which issue was first to include a WAV or GIF file , but the capability was there from the beginning .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FidoNet [wikipedia.org] has been in operation since 1984 and has always supported attachment of arbitrary files.
I'd suppose that the first issue of the FidoNews newsletter [fidonews.info], dated 1 December of that year, probably constituted the first episodic media transmitted to subscribers on that system.
I don't know which issue was first to include a WAV or GIF file, but the capability was there from the beginning.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174992</id>
	<title>Re:Not sure</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1258747140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How is "podcasting" any different than "shoutcasting"? I was doing shoutcasts back in the last century!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How is " podcasting " any different than " shoutcasting " ?
I was doing shoutcasts back in the last century !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is "podcasting" any different than "shoutcasting"?
I was doing shoutcasts back in the last century!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173186</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30176982</id>
	<title>Mailing list</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258710660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does not any mailing list count as prior art w.r.t. claim 1.<br>- I am thinking of comp.risks which sent digests "episodic media", the channel being "e-mail"<br>- LISTSERV was the mechanism for subscribing, and the e-mail was sent until I unsubscribed.<br>- The digest had a list of the size of the stories, and my e-mail reader told me how big each digest was.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does not any mailing list count as prior art w.r.t .
claim 1.- I am thinking of comp.risks which sent digests " episodic media " , the channel being " e-mail " - LISTSERV was the mechanism for subscribing , and the e-mail was sent until I unsubscribed.- The digest had a list of the size of the stories , and my e-mail reader told me how big each digest was .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does not any mailing list count as prior art w.r.t.
claim 1.- I am thinking of comp.risks which sent digests "episodic media", the channel being "e-mail"- LISTSERV was the mechanism for subscribing, and the e-mail was sent until I unsubscribed.- The digest had a list of the size of the stories, and my e-mail reader told me how big each digest was.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173666</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30175918</id>
	<title>Would MS Windows Update Qualify?</title>
	<author>ideonexus</author>
	<datestamp>1258750080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This may be a stupid question, but I'm wondering why Windows automatic updates wouldn't qualify:
<ol>
<li>You subscribe to it.</li><li>It's a media that is downloaded to the computer.</li><li>It's automatic.</li><li>It tells you how large the update is and allows you to customize what updates you accept.</li></ol><p>
And it's been around since Windows 98.  Yes, the patent deals with audio and video files, but files are files in the eyes of the patent office (at least in the silly way they are justifying these algorithm/process patents for computers). I know it can't be this simple, but I'm having trouble figuring out why this wouldn't qualify as a 'prior art'.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This may be a stupid question , but I 'm wondering why Windows automatic updates would n't qualify : You subscribe to it.It 's a media that is downloaded to the computer.It 's automatic.It tells you how large the update is and allows you to customize what updates you accept .
And it 's been around since Windows 98 .
Yes , the patent deals with audio and video files , but files are files in the eyes of the patent office ( at least in the silly way they are justifying these algorithm/process patents for computers ) .
I know it ca n't be this simple , but I 'm having trouble figuring out why this would n't qualify as a 'prior art' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This may be a stupid question, but I'm wondering why Windows automatic updates wouldn't qualify:

You subscribe to it.It's a media that is downloaded to the computer.It's automatic.It tells you how large the update is and allows you to customize what updates you accept.
And it's been around since Windows 98.
Yes, the patent deals with audio and video files, but files are files in the eyes of the patent office (at least in the silly way they are justifying these algorithm/process patents for computers).
I know it can't be this simple, but I'm having trouble figuring out why this wouldn't qualify as a 'prior art'.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173322</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173642</id>
	<title>Heinlein's View</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258742640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From <b>The Door Into Summer</b> by Robert A. Heinlein (1956):<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; There wasn't anything really new in it; it was just the way that I put it together.  The "spark of genius" required by our laws lay in getting a good patent lawyer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From The Door Into Summer by Robert A. Heinlein ( 1956 ) :       There was n't anything really new in it ; it was just the way that I put it together .
The " spark of genius " required by our laws lay in getting a good patent lawyer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From The Door Into Summer by Robert A. Heinlein (1956):
      There wasn't anything really new in it; it was just the way that I put it together.
The "spark of genius" required by our laws lay in getting a good patent lawyer.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173424</id>
	<title>What's actually been patented?</title>
	<author>EvilJoker</author>
	<datestamp>1258741740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This sounds more like a patent on RSS feeds- online episodic media goes way back (Big media had webisodes in 2000, with amateur stuff going back much further) but the patent seems to refer to subscriptions and automatic downloading.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This sounds more like a patent on RSS feeds- online episodic media goes way back ( Big media had webisodes in 2000 , with amateur stuff going back much further ) but the patent seems to refer to subscriptions and automatic downloading .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This sounds more like a patent on RSS feeds- online episodic media goes way back (Big media had webisodes in 2000, with amateur stuff going back much further) but the patent seems to refer to subscriptions and automatic downloading.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173186</id>
	<title>Not sure</title>
	<author>jimbobborg</author>
	<datestamp>1258740900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Didn't Leo of TechTV do something like this using RealAudio back in the day?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did n't Leo of TechTV do something like this using RealAudio back in the day ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Didn't Leo of TechTV do something like this using RealAudio back in the day?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30177706</id>
	<title>http push?</title>
	<author>Kasar</author>
	<datestamp>1258713180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Netscape had Netcaster and IE had Active Channels, both http push sytems where you subscribed to a feed and had it sent.<br>
Doesn't sound far from the claimed functionality.<br>
<br>
That's from 1997.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Netscape had Netcaster and IE had Active Channels , both http push sytems where you subscribed to a feed and had it sent .
Does n't sound far from the claimed functionality .
That 's from 1997 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Netscape had Netcaster and IE had Active Channels, both http push sytems where you subscribed to a feed and had it sent.
Doesn't sound far from the claimed functionality.
That's from 1997.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30176122</id>
	<title>netscape and the ftp synchronizer</title>
	<author>CHRONOSS2008</author>
	<datestamp>1258707780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>netscape when they released communicator 5 gave me a version and i know that software is much older</p><p>you setup what YOU are subscribed to download WHEN and if it changes</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>netscape when they released communicator 5 gave me a version and i know that software is much olderyou setup what YOU are subscribed to download WHEN and if it changes</tokentext>
<sentencetext>netscape when they released communicator 5 gave me a version and i know that software is much olderyou setup what YOU are subscribed to download WHEN and if it changes</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30175008</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30177864</id>
	<title>Re:Pre-programmed episodic media</title>
	<author>shynthriir</author>
	<datestamp>1258713720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Aside from the difference of "downloading" the media vs. streaming the media via a television set. Yes, one could argue that streaming media is the same as downloading on a temporary basis.

Reguardless, you bring up a very valid point.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Aside from the difference of " downloading " the media vs. streaming the media via a television set .
Yes , one could argue that streaming media is the same as downloading on a temporary basis .
Reguardless , you bring up a very valid point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Aside from the difference of "downloading" the media vs. streaming the media via a television set.
Yes, one could argue that streaming media is the same as downloading on a temporary basis.
Reguardless, you bring up a very valid point.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173584</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30175554</id>
	<title>I have an idea.</title>
	<author>DavidTC</author>
	<datestamp>1258748820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about usenet?</p><p>
It even uses the term 'subscription' and even has episodic content, in the form of actual TV episodes. All we have to demonstrate that there were 'channels' dedicatied to specific content...like alt.binaries.multimedia.firefly, for an example of a 2002 group.</p><p>
Specific, episodic content that you subscribe to and your client (For example, NewsBin) can download automatically.</p><p>
Yes, that behavior would be illegal, but that doesn't stop it from being prior art.</p><p>
That alone seems to fit claim 1, 2, 4 and 5 of the patent. And I have a Usenet client that can do 7, but someone needs to find one with that feature from 2003.</p><p>
3 and 6 could happen based on what directory you download into. (3 if that directory is automatically synced, and 6 if that directory is chared.)</p><p>
Claim 8 appears to be...compression? Yum, those episode files were compressed. Usually using rar. (For no apparent gain, as you can't compress video files much that way, but, hey, I'm sure at least one of those files ended up at least a tiny fraction smaller.)</p><p>
Chaim 9...we need someone to find a Usenet client that let you watch while you download, which could be easily used to download only part of an episode. (OTOH, we don't need to really worry about this claim. If they're left with a patent on automatically 'partially downloading podcasts based on space', whatever.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about usenet ?
It even uses the term 'subscription ' and even has episodic content , in the form of actual TV episodes .
All we have to demonstrate that there were 'channels ' dedicatied to specific content...like alt.binaries.multimedia.firefly , for an example of a 2002 group .
Specific , episodic content that you subscribe to and your client ( For example , NewsBin ) can download automatically .
Yes , that behavior would be illegal , but that does n't stop it from being prior art .
That alone seems to fit claim 1 , 2 , 4 and 5 of the patent .
And I have a Usenet client that can do 7 , but someone needs to find one with that feature from 2003 .
3 and 6 could happen based on what directory you download into .
( 3 if that directory is automatically synced , and 6 if that directory is chared .
) Claim 8 appears to be...compression ?
Yum , those episode files were compressed .
Usually using rar .
( For no apparent gain , as you ca n't compress video files much that way , but , hey , I 'm sure at least one of those files ended up at least a tiny fraction smaller .
) Chaim 9...we need someone to find a Usenet client that let you watch while you download , which could be easily used to download only part of an episode .
( OTOH , we do n't need to really worry about this claim .
If they 're left with a patent on automatically 'partially downloading podcasts based on space ' , whatever .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about usenet?
It even uses the term 'subscription' and even has episodic content, in the form of actual TV episodes.
All we have to demonstrate that there were 'channels' dedicatied to specific content...like alt.binaries.multimedia.firefly, for an example of a 2002 group.
Specific, episodic content that you subscribe to and your client (For example, NewsBin) can download automatically.
Yes, that behavior would be illegal, but that doesn't stop it from being prior art.
That alone seems to fit claim 1, 2, 4 and 5 of the patent.
And I have a Usenet client that can do 7, but someone needs to find one with that feature from 2003.
3 and 6 could happen based on what directory you download into.
(3 if that directory is automatically synced, and 6 if that directory is chared.
)
Claim 8 appears to be...compression?
Yum, those episode files were compressed.
Usually using rar.
(For no apparent gain, as you can't compress video files much that way, but, hey, I'm sure at least one of those files ended up at least a tiny fraction smaller.
)
Chaim 9...we need someone to find a Usenet client that let you watch while you download, which could be easily used to download only part of an episode.
(OTOH, we don't need to really worry about this claim.
If they're left with a patent on automatically 'partially downloading podcasts based on space', whatever.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174384</id>
	<title>Magazine Subscription</title>
	<author>arthurpaliden</author>
	<datestamp>1258745160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why is this not prior art? It is episotic media. It is pushed to a user once they subscribe using the mail service and is wapped in a publication ( the channel).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is this not prior art ?
It is episotic media .
It is pushed to a user once they subscribe using the mail service and is wapped in a publication ( the channel ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is this not prior art?
It is episotic media.
It is pushed to a user once they subscribe using the mail service and is wapped in a publication ( the channel).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30176716</id>
	<title>Re:"Method" patents</title>
	<author>blueskies</author>
	<datestamp>1258710000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anyone that uses a cron job (the subscription) to automatically pull down newer updates (episodes) of some media without further user interaction has prior art on this.</p><p>cron.daily: emerge --sync, downloading security updates</p><p>RSS feeds, IMAP "subscriptions", etc</p><p>Eudora clients and IMAP mail servers  have been "podcasting" emails for a LONG time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone that uses a cron job ( the subscription ) to automatically pull down newer updates ( episodes ) of some media without further user interaction has prior art on this.cron.daily : emerge --sync , downloading security updatesRSS feeds , IMAP " subscriptions " , etcEudora clients and IMAP mail servers have been " podcasting " emails for a LONG time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone that uses a cron job (the subscription) to automatically pull down newer updates (episodes) of some media without further user interaction has prior art on this.cron.daily: emerge --sync, downloading security updatesRSS feeds, IMAP "subscriptions", etcEudora clients and IMAP mail servers  have been "podcasting" emails for a LONG time.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173402</parent>
</comment>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_20_1422202_9</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174608
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173666
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_20_1422202_11</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30180572
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173186
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_20_1422202_14</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173680
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173322
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_20_1422202_27</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174424
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173186
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_20_1422202_15</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173886
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173320
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_20_1422202_18</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30180262
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173584
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_20_1422202_3</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174850
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173786
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_20_1422202_7</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30176982
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173666
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_20_1422202_12</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30178886
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173424
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_20_1422202_19</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30176994
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30175008
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174686
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_20_1422202_30</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30176786
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173440
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_20_1422202_16</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30175918
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173322
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_20_1422202_20</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30176122
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30175008
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174686
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_20_1422202_24</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30175286
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173402
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_20_1422202_0</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30181420
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173666
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_20_1422202_28</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30176608
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174992
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173186
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_20_1422202_22</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30176836
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173666
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_20_1422202_21</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174316
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173786
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_20_1422202_4</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30176750
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173350
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_20_1422202_8</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30175606
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30175008
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174686
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_20_1422202_26</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30176880
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174904
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_20_1422202_1</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174306
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173666
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_20_1422202_25</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30175470
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173666
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_20_1422202_6</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30175174
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174264
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173186
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_20_1422202_13</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30176716
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173402
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_20_1422202_2</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30177864
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173584
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_20_1422202_29</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174338
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173786
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_20_1422202_23</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173800
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173322
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_20_1422202_10</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30175266
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173322
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_20_1422202_17</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30181652
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173440
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_20_1422202_5</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30176668
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173666
</commentlist>
</thread>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_11_20_1422202.13</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173784
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_11_20_1422202.11</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173584
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30180262
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30177864
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_11_20_1422202.17</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173352
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_11_20_1422202.18</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173186
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174424
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174992
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30176608
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174264
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30175174
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30180572
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_11_20_1422202.15</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174366
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_11_20_1422202.12</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174686
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30175008
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30175606
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30176122
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30176994
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_11_20_1422202.6</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173674
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_11_20_1422202.10</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173402
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30175286
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30176716
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_11_20_1422202.4</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173404
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_11_20_1422202.16</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173440
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30181652
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30176786
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_11_20_1422202.14</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173320
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173886
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_11_20_1422202.2</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173424
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30178886
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_11_20_1422202.8</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173492
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_11_20_1422202.5</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173322
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173680
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30175266
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173800
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30175918
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_11_20_1422202.3</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30177706
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_11_20_1422202.20</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173350
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30176750
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_11_20_1422202.9</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173786
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174850
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174316
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174338
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_11_20_1422202.0</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174904
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30176880
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_11_20_1422202.19</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174384
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_11_20_1422202.7</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173666
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30176836
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30175470
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30176668
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174608
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30174306
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30176982
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30181420
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_11_20_1422202.1</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1422202.30173946
</commentlist>
</conversation>
