<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_19_1720217</id>
	<title>China Enforces Even Stricter Regulation On Games</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1258655160000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>eldavojohn writes <i>"Chinese gamers have a pretty hard life.  From <a href="//games.slashdot.org/story/09/06/19/0548233/China-To-Crack-Down-On-Undesirable-Games">crackdowns on 'undesirable' games</a> to bans on gangster games to delayed <em>World of Warcraft</em> expansions, they suffer. The worst part is that in order to qualify for operating in China, you face a maze of <a href="http://games.slashdot.org/story/09/11/04/2356208/Chinese-Bureaucrats-Duel-Over-Right-To-Regulate-WoW">conflicting bureaucracy and regulation</a>.  Well, it just got a little worse.  Now, if you want to operate, you need to <a href="http://www.crispygamer.com/news/index.php/2009-11-19/chinas-ministry-of-culture-tightens-grip-on-mmo-industry/">hire a 'specialist' to oversee content, and you need to 'enhance socialist values'</a> in your game.  They also want to limit in-game marriages and how many player-versus-player combat sessions one can engage in.  The circular issued from China's Ministry of Culture contained all the vague verbiage giving them easier reign over who operates and who doesn't.  It's a large market, but is it worth the gamble to game developers?"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>eldavojohn writes " Chinese gamers have a pretty hard life .
From crackdowns on 'undesirable ' games to bans on gangster games to delayed World of Warcraft expansions , they suffer .
The worst part is that in order to qualify for operating in China , you face a maze of conflicting bureaucracy and regulation .
Well , it just got a little worse .
Now , if you want to operate , you need to hire a 'specialist ' to oversee content , and you need to 'enhance socialist values ' in your game .
They also want to limit in-game marriages and how many player-versus-player combat sessions one can engage in .
The circular issued from China 's Ministry of Culture contained all the vague verbiage giving them easier reign over who operates and who does n't .
It 's a large market , but is it worth the gamble to game developers ?
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<sentencetext>eldavojohn writes "Chinese gamers have a pretty hard life.
From crackdowns on 'undesirable' games to bans on gangster games to delayed World of Warcraft expansions, they suffer.
The worst part is that in order to qualify for operating in China, you face a maze of conflicting bureaucracy and regulation.
Well, it just got a little worse.
Now, if you want to operate, you need to hire a 'specialist' to oversee content, and you need to 'enhance socialist values' in your game.
They also want to limit in-game marriages and how many player-versus-player combat sessions one can engage in.
The circular issued from China's Ministry of Culture contained all the vague verbiage giving them easier reign over who operates and who doesn't.
It's a large market, but is it worth the gamble to game developers?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30160958</id>
	<title>Re:nuts</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258660440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, Crowd Control Productions was really excited to have EVE Online in China... the Chinese server (which must be segregated from the rest of the world for legal reasons that also create technical reasons, so much for The Butterfly Effect) gets about 1500 users peak last I heard, and The Rest Of The World gets about 40,000?</p><p>Now, 1 to 1 that puts China pretty well ahead against other developed countries, but it seems to me that it's far more feasible and profitable to not have to worry about Chinese law and cater to virtually anyone <em>but</em> them than have to dedicate resources and modify everything that works for everyone else to get another 4\% of users.</p><p>Other MMO's mileage may vary and obviously this doesn't particularly considers single player games.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , Crowd Control Productions was really excited to have EVE Online in China... the Chinese server ( which must be segregated from the rest of the world for legal reasons that also create technical reasons , so much for The Butterfly Effect ) gets about 1500 users peak last I heard , and The Rest Of The World gets about 40,000 ? Now , 1 to 1 that puts China pretty well ahead against other developed countries , but it seems to me that it 's far more feasible and profitable to not have to worry about Chinese law and cater to virtually anyone but them than have to dedicate resources and modify everything that works for everyone else to get another 4 \ % of users.Other MMO 's mileage may vary and obviously this does n't particularly considers single player games .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, Crowd Control Productions was really excited to have EVE Online in China... the Chinese server (which must be segregated from the rest of the world for legal reasons that also create technical reasons, so much for The Butterfly Effect) gets about 1500 users peak last I heard, and The Rest Of The World gets about 40,000?Now, 1 to 1 that puts China pretty well ahead against other developed countries, but it seems to me that it's far more feasible and profitable to not have to worry about Chinese law and cater to virtually anyone but them than have to dedicate resources and modify everything that works for everyone else to get another 4\% of users.Other MMO's mileage may vary and obviously this doesn't particularly considers single player games.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30161506</id>
	<title>That's the China fallacy</title>
	<author>Xaedalus</author>
	<datestamp>1258662300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"China's going to be a HUGE market!" is the China fallacy, which operates with the assumption that consumers in China are like consumers elsewhere, and that as soon as they get money they will become a gold mine.</p><p>That is a fallacy that's been going on for three to four hundred plus years, and contributed directly to the downfall of the Qing Emperor, the Open Door policy, and all the other problems that China's been trying to recover from for the last hundred years. See, China's culture is very nationalistic and one of their flaws is that they believe they are the center of the Earth. In the mercantile age, that meant that China always exported its goods but would only accept silver from the West because western goods were always seen as 'inferior'. It almost bankrupted the British Empire, and did significant economic damage to the other Western countries, so they retaliated by basically taking over China's ports (and the whole country) to boot. </p><p> To assume that once THIS happens then China will open up to the West is wrong. China will continue what it's doing right now with the currency, and with it's trade policies: accepting money (in the form of Treasury debt and other convertibles) and exporting its goods without buying our goods, because they do not want to be 'dependent' on us. This is at the heart of the Chinese currency manipulation problem - that China is doing exactly what it did 200+ years ago - hoarding monetary assets while not accepting imports from us and slowly bankrupting us. They're not doing it out of spite, they're doing it because to them, all other countries and cultures are 'inferior' to a degree and they want to be the center of the world - and the center never accepts help from the edges.</p><p> That's why the best route for developers is to ignore China. Don't buy into the fallacy, because then you force China to accept your goods, and in doing so, you fix the imbalance. </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" China 's going to be a HUGE market !
" is the China fallacy , which operates with the assumption that consumers in China are like consumers elsewhere , and that as soon as they get money they will become a gold mine.That is a fallacy that 's been going on for three to four hundred plus years , and contributed directly to the downfall of the Qing Emperor , the Open Door policy , and all the other problems that China 's been trying to recover from for the last hundred years .
See , China 's culture is very nationalistic and one of their flaws is that they believe they are the center of the Earth .
In the mercantile age , that meant that China always exported its goods but would only accept silver from the West because western goods were always seen as 'inferior' .
It almost bankrupted the British Empire , and did significant economic damage to the other Western countries , so they retaliated by basically taking over China 's ports ( and the whole country ) to boot .
To assume that once THIS happens then China will open up to the West is wrong .
China will continue what it 's doing right now with the currency , and with it 's trade policies : accepting money ( in the form of Treasury debt and other convertibles ) and exporting its goods without buying our goods , because they do not want to be 'dependent ' on us .
This is at the heart of the Chinese currency manipulation problem - that China is doing exactly what it did 200 + years ago - hoarding monetary assets while not accepting imports from us and slowly bankrupting us .
They 're not doing it out of spite , they 're doing it because to them , all other countries and cultures are 'inferior ' to a degree and they want to be the center of the world - and the center never accepts help from the edges .
That 's why the best route for developers is to ignore China .
Do n't buy into the fallacy , because then you force China to accept your goods , and in doing so , you fix the imbalance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"China's going to be a HUGE market!
" is the China fallacy, which operates with the assumption that consumers in China are like consumers elsewhere, and that as soon as they get money they will become a gold mine.That is a fallacy that's been going on for three to four hundred plus years, and contributed directly to the downfall of the Qing Emperor, the Open Door policy, and all the other problems that China's been trying to recover from for the last hundred years.
See, China's culture is very nationalistic and one of their flaws is that they believe they are the center of the Earth.
In the mercantile age, that meant that China always exported its goods but would only accept silver from the West because western goods were always seen as 'inferior'.
It almost bankrupted the British Empire, and did significant economic damage to the other Western countries, so they retaliated by basically taking over China's ports (and the whole country) to boot.
To assume that once THIS happens then China will open up to the West is wrong.
China will continue what it's doing right now with the currency, and with it's trade policies: accepting money (in the form of Treasury debt and other convertibles) and exporting its goods without buying our goods, because they do not want to be 'dependent' on us.
This is at the heart of the Chinese currency manipulation problem - that China is doing exactly what it did 200+ years ago - hoarding monetary assets while not accepting imports from us and slowly bankrupting us.
They're not doing it out of spite, they're doing it because to them, all other countries and cultures are 'inferior' to a degree and they want to be the center of the world - and the center never accepts help from the edges.
That's why the best route for developers is to ignore China.
Don't buy into the fallacy, because then you force China to accept your goods, and in doing so, you fix the imbalance. </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30162492</id>
	<title>Hmmmmm</title>
	<author>multiplexo</author>
	<datestamp>1258622400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The worst part is that in order to qualify for operating in China, you face a maze of conflicting bureaucracy and regulation. Well, it just got a little worse. Now, if you want to operate, you need to hire a 'specialist' to oversee content, and you need to 'enhance socialist values' in your game. They also want to limit in-game marriages and how many player-versus-player combat sessions one can engage in. The circular issued from China's Ministry of Culture contained all the vague verbiage giving them easier reign over who operates and who doesn't.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Hmmmm, sounds like they took a page out of <a href="http://apple.slashdot.org/story/09/11/19/164229/Respected-Developers-Begin-Fleeing-the-App-Store" title="slashdot.org">Apple's playbook</a> [slashdot.org].
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The worst part is that in order to qualify for operating in China , you face a maze of conflicting bureaucracy and regulation .
Well , it just got a little worse .
Now , if you want to operate , you need to hire a 'specialist ' to oversee content , and you need to 'enhance socialist values ' in your game .
They also want to limit in-game marriages and how many player-versus-player combat sessions one can engage in .
The circular issued from China 's Ministry of Culture contained all the vague verbiage giving them easier reign over who operates and who does n't .
Hmmmm , sounds like they took a page out of Apple 's playbook [ slashdot.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The worst part is that in order to qualify for operating in China, you face a maze of conflicting bureaucracy and regulation.
Well, it just got a little worse.
Now, if you want to operate, you need to hire a 'specialist' to oversee content, and you need to 'enhance socialist values' in your game.
They also want to limit in-game marriages and how many player-versus-player combat sessions one can engage in.
The circular issued from China's Ministry of Culture contained all the vague verbiage giving them easier reign over who operates and who doesn't.
Hmmmm, sounds like they took a page out of Apple's playbook [slashdot.org].

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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30167614</id>
	<title>Fu</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258646580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about the game developers learn enough Chinese to say "Fook Yoo" to China.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about the game developers learn enough Chinese to say " Fook Yoo " to China .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about the game developers learn enough Chinese to say "Fook Yoo" to China.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30160520</id>
	<title>Of course</title>
	<author>Improv</author>
	<datestamp>1258659060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are plenty of game developers that would love to capture part of the Chinese market. It's mainly developers that operate a bit too close to prohibited levels of hedonism and a few other touchy subjects that will have problems, and it's not like Chinese need games tailored to them - people taking the effort to make a game could go worldwide if their game won't work in China.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are plenty of game developers that would love to capture part of the Chinese market .
It 's mainly developers that operate a bit too close to prohibited levels of hedonism and a few other touchy subjects that will have problems , and it 's not like Chinese need games tailored to them - people taking the effort to make a game could go worldwide if their game wo n't work in China .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are plenty of game developers that would love to capture part of the Chinese market.
It's mainly developers that operate a bit too close to prohibited levels of hedonism and a few other touchy subjects that will have problems, and it's not like Chinese need games tailored to them - people taking the effort to make a game could go worldwide if their game won't work in China.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30160932</id>
	<title>Re:Good for them!</title>
	<author>The Archon V2.0</author>
	<datestamp>1258660380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I heard they are banning all Wii games with the word "Party" in the title.</p></div><p>Will they at least let people play Dance Dance Cultural Revolution?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I heard they are banning all Wii games with the word " Party " in the title.Will they at least let people play Dance Dance Cultural Revolution ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I heard they are banning all Wii games with the word "Party" in the title.Will they at least let people play Dance Dance Cultural Revolution?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30162662</id>
	<title>Re:nuts</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258622880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is undeniably a huge market, the problem is, I think dating sense the British started making up their tea-trade deficit with opium, China has become very concerned about currency leaving the country.  In the modern implementation, it mean that most of your profits from operating in China, end up with your Chinese "partner" companies, leaving the actual profits pretty small.  I know that most of what WoW gets out of operating in china is a big boost to thier player base to assist their marketing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is undeniably a huge market , the problem is , I think dating sense the British started making up their tea-trade deficit with opium , China has become very concerned about currency leaving the country .
In the modern implementation , it mean that most of your profits from operating in China , end up with your Chinese " partner " companies , leaving the actual profits pretty small .
I know that most of what WoW gets out of operating in china is a big boost to thier player base to assist their marketing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is undeniably a huge market, the problem is, I think dating sense the British started making up their tea-trade deficit with opium, China has become very concerned about currency leaving the country.
In the modern implementation, it mean that most of your profits from operating in China, end up with your Chinese "partner" companies, leaving the actual profits pretty small.
I know that most of what WoW gets out of operating in china is a big boost to thier player base to assist their marketing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30161060</id>
	<title>Re:nuts</title>
	<author>Ogive17</author>
	<datestamp>1258660800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Working in the auto industry I can tell you first hand how much of a pain in the ass it is to sell in China.  They basically require a bribe to import anything into the country.  It's their way of making it so pricy to do business in an attempt to force companies to build factories in China.  I'm not just talking about complete units, I'm talking about componant parts, service parts..  everything.  Every part needs to have a costly certification done (where the company has to pay to fly 3-5 Chinese "inspectors" over and cover all their expenses for a couple weeks).  The "inspectors" certify the mfg plant and processes and the parts.  Only after a few months and a couple hundred thousand dollars can a location be certified.<br>
<br>
I can't imagine the fuss they'd create if the US sent inspectors to China to go through a 2 month review of every factory that ships product to the US.  I also can't imagine why we even bother with China.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Working in the auto industry I can tell you first hand how much of a pain in the ass it is to sell in China .
They basically require a bribe to import anything into the country .
It 's their way of making it so pricy to do business in an attempt to force companies to build factories in China .
I 'm not just talking about complete units , I 'm talking about componant parts , service parts.. everything. Every part needs to have a costly certification done ( where the company has to pay to fly 3-5 Chinese " inspectors " over and cover all their expenses for a couple weeks ) .
The " inspectors " certify the mfg plant and processes and the parts .
Only after a few months and a couple hundred thousand dollars can a location be certified .
I ca n't imagine the fuss they 'd create if the US sent inspectors to China to go through a 2 month review of every factory that ships product to the US .
I also ca n't imagine why we even bother with China .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Working in the auto industry I can tell you first hand how much of a pain in the ass it is to sell in China.
They basically require a bribe to import anything into the country.
It's their way of making it so pricy to do business in an attempt to force companies to build factories in China.
I'm not just talking about complete units, I'm talking about componant parts, service parts..  everything.  Every part needs to have a costly certification done (where the company has to pay to fly 3-5 Chinese "inspectors" over and cover all their expenses for a couple weeks).
The "inspectors" certify the mfg plant and processes and the parts.
Only after a few months and a couple hundred thousand dollars can a location be certified.
I can't imagine the fuss they'd create if the US sent inspectors to China to go through a 2 month review of every factory that ships product to the US.
I also can't imagine why we even bother with China.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30160738</id>
	<title>Re:Best Plan Ever?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258659720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>How about I develop a game that caters EXACTLY what the Chinese government would like, and then they use their overpowered censorship and propoganda to promote it and only it...</p><p>Question Marks</p><p>Profit?</p></div><p>That's a very profitable idea but you might want to <a href="http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com/" title="ibmandtheholocaust.com">consult with IBM</a> [ibmandtheholocaust.com] about how history views those who comply with fascism for monetary return.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How about I develop a game that caters EXACTLY what the Chinese government would like , and then they use their overpowered censorship and propoganda to promote it and only it...Question MarksProfit ? That 's a very profitable idea but you might want to consult with IBM [ ibmandtheholocaust.com ] about how history views those who comply with fascism for monetary return .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about I develop a game that caters EXACTLY what the Chinese government would like, and then they use their overpowered censorship and propoganda to promote it and only it...Question MarksProfit?That's a very profitable idea but you might want to consult with IBM [ibmandtheholocaust.com] about how history views those who comply with fascism for monetary return.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30165016</id>
	<title>Re:That's the China fallacy</title>
	<author>kklein</author>
	<datestamp>1258630440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Someone else knows Chinese history!!!

</p><p>Yes, to everything you said. Just a little low-hanging fruit that you missed (but probably know), though:

</p><p>China doesn't just <i>believe</i> they are the center of the Earth; that's what the country is <i>named.</i> Westerners often wax quaint and endearing to the "Middle Kingdom," but that first character <i>can</i> mean "middle," but here it means <i>"central."</i> It isn't "Middle Kingdom;" it's <i>"Central Nation!"</i>

</p><p>The emperor used to make Western envoys dance for his pleasure to secure trade contracts. All these European trade ministers in the court, trying to dance around and amuse the emperor more than the last... <i>And we're still doing it.</i>

</p><p>The only chance the West would have ever had to have fair dealings with China would have been if we let Japan take it over. Now, I'm not saying we should have done that (we were right to stop them, of course), but it might have made more sense from a business perspective.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Someone else knows Chinese history ! ! !
Yes , to everything you said .
Just a little low-hanging fruit that you missed ( but probably know ) , though : China does n't just believe they are the center of the Earth ; that 's what the country is named .
Westerners often wax quaint and endearing to the " Middle Kingdom , " but that first character can mean " middle , " but here it means " central .
" It is n't " Middle Kingdom ; " it 's " Central Nation !
" The emperor used to make Western envoys dance for his pleasure to secure trade contracts .
All these European trade ministers in the court , trying to dance around and amuse the emperor more than the last... And we 're still doing it .
The only chance the West would have ever had to have fair dealings with China would have been if we let Japan take it over .
Now , I 'm not saying we should have done that ( we were right to stop them , of course ) , but it might have made more sense from a business perspective .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Someone else knows Chinese history!!!
Yes, to everything you said.
Just a little low-hanging fruit that you missed (but probably know), though:

China doesn't just believe they are the center of the Earth; that's what the country is named.
Westerners often wax quaint and endearing to the "Middle Kingdom," but that first character can mean "middle," but here it means "central.
" It isn't "Middle Kingdom;" it's "Central Nation!
"

The emperor used to make Western envoys dance for his pleasure to secure trade contracts.
All these European trade ministers in the court, trying to dance around and amuse the emperor more than the last... And we're still doing it.
The only chance the West would have ever had to have fair dealings with China would have been if we let Japan take it over.
Now, I'm not saying we should have done that (we were right to stop them, of course), but it might have made more sense from a business perspective.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30289046</id>
	<title>Re:That's the China fallacy</title>
	<author>Rich0</author>
	<datestamp>1259662740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, in this case they're selling us goods in exchange for IOUs.  I'm not sure the US would need to mount an invasion to make that not pay off.</p><p>I think the bigger issue this exposes is the nature of an economy in the first place.  To be honest, half of the purpose of an economy is to give people something to do.  Imagine a world where 10 people and a fleet of robots could meet all the food, clothing, and shelter requirements of the planet.  Everybody else could be unemployed, except for the fact that the people who own the robots would insist that they somehow pay for food.  Obviously this is an extreme case to illustrate a point - however, I think that many issues with economic slumps come back to this sort of a problem.</p><p>In the case of a trade imbalance, the US workers have nothing to do since they're consuming but not producing.  At least, not until they start their own businesses...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , in this case they 're selling us goods in exchange for IOUs .
I 'm not sure the US would need to mount an invasion to make that not pay off.I think the bigger issue this exposes is the nature of an economy in the first place .
To be honest , half of the purpose of an economy is to give people something to do .
Imagine a world where 10 people and a fleet of robots could meet all the food , clothing , and shelter requirements of the planet .
Everybody else could be unemployed , except for the fact that the people who own the robots would insist that they somehow pay for food .
Obviously this is an extreme case to illustrate a point - however , I think that many issues with economic slumps come back to this sort of a problem.In the case of a trade imbalance , the US workers have nothing to do since they 're consuming but not producing .
At least , not until they start their own businesses.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, in this case they're selling us goods in exchange for IOUs.
I'm not sure the US would need to mount an invasion to make that not pay off.I think the bigger issue this exposes is the nature of an economy in the first place.
To be honest, half of the purpose of an economy is to give people something to do.
Imagine a world where 10 people and a fleet of robots could meet all the food, clothing, and shelter requirements of the planet.
Everybody else could be unemployed, except for the fact that the people who own the robots would insist that they somehow pay for food.
Obviously this is an extreme case to illustrate a point - however, I think that many issues with economic slumps come back to this sort of a problem.In the case of a trade imbalance, the US workers have nothing to do since they're consuming but not producing.
At least, not until they start their own businesses...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30161506</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30168062</id>
	<title>Re:Blah blah blah from the government</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258651800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pretty much what goes on in the good ol' U.S.A.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pretty much what goes on in the good ol ' U.S.A .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pretty much what goes on in the good ol' U.S.A.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30161244</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30163270</id>
	<title>Everytime I see someting about China on /.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258624860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...I log onto WoW and make sure my ore supplier is still there.</p><p>He is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...I log onto WoW and make sure my ore supplier is still there.He is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...I log onto WoW and make sure my ore supplier is still there.He is.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30170152</id>
	<title>Re:No PVP?</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1258726860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are hilarious. The <em>Western</em> world works on bribes, you really think it's any different in China? It's not always cash, either. Sometimes it's jobs, or some other currency, which will be used to enhance money, prestige, or power for a given individual. Bribes are just a distillation of politics.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are hilarious .
The Western world works on bribes , you really think it 's any different in China ?
It 's not always cash , either .
Sometimes it 's jobs , or some other currency , which will be used to enhance money , prestige , or power for a given individual .
Bribes are just a distillation of politics .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are hilarious.
The Western world works on bribes, you really think it's any different in China?
It's not always cash, either.
Sometimes it's jobs, or some other currency, which will be used to enhance money, prestige, or power for a given individual.
Bribes are just a distillation of politics.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30161640</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30160862</id>
	<title>Re:Best Plan Ever?</title>
	<author>Shakrai</author>
	<datestamp>1258660140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That's a very profitable idea but you might want to consult with IBM [ibmandtheholocaust.com] about how history views those who comply with fascism for monetary return.</p></div><p>Interesting that you mention a historical example but fail to note the modern-day examples.  Yes, I'm looking at you Google, Yahoo, and Cisco.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a very profitable idea but you might want to consult with IBM [ ibmandtheholocaust.com ] about how history views those who comply with fascism for monetary return.Interesting that you mention a historical example but fail to note the modern-day examples .
Yes , I 'm looking at you Google , Yahoo , and Cisco .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a very profitable idea but you might want to consult with IBM [ibmandtheholocaust.com] about how history views those who comply with fascism for monetary return.Interesting that you mention a historical example but fail to note the modern-day examples.
Yes, I'm looking at you Google, Yahoo, and Cisco.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30160738</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30164078</id>
	<title>The more they tighten their grip, the more systems</title>
	<author>bobjr94</author>
	<datestamp>1258627140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...All they are doing is making a market for imported, pirated and bootlegged games. Want to be the cool kid at school, then pick you have the uncensored version of a game. A usb drive in your pocket, an SD card hidden inside a birthday card would be easy ways to slip games and other content into china.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...All they are doing is making a market for imported , pirated and bootlegged games .
Want to be the cool kid at school , then pick you have the uncensored version of a game .
A usb drive in your pocket , an SD card hidden inside a birthday card would be easy ways to slip games and other content into china .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...All they are doing is making a market for imported, pirated and bootlegged games.
Want to be the cool kid at school, then pick you have the uncensored version of a game.
A usb drive in your pocket, an SD card hidden inside a birthday card would be easy ways to slip games and other content into china.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30228212</id>
	<title>Oh wow, racist much?</title>
	<author>Gaffod</author>
	<datestamp>1257188340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So what you suggest is that since South Koreans like Starcraft, the Chinese will bend over backwards to buy every game out there? What does South Korea have to do with China? Oh right, they're all "asian cultures". Cuz you know, there is this one monolithic cultural identity spanning the entirety of a quarter of the world's population with no variability whatsoever.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So what you suggest is that since South Koreans like Starcraft , the Chinese will bend over backwards to buy every game out there ?
What does South Korea have to do with China ?
Oh right , they 're all " asian cultures " .
Cuz you know , there is this one monolithic cultural identity spanning the entirety of a quarter of the world 's population with no variability whatsoever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So what you suggest is that since South Koreans like Starcraft, the Chinese will bend over backwards to buy every game out there?
What does South Korea have to do with China?
Oh right, they're all "asian cultures".
Cuz you know, there is this one monolithic cultural identity spanning the entirety of a quarter of the world's population with no variability whatsoever.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30160556</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30160576</id>
	<title>Best Plan Ever?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258659180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about I develop a game that caters EXACTLY what the Chinese government would like, and then they use their overpowered censorship and propoganda to promote it and only it...</p><p>Question Marks</p><p>Profit?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about I develop a game that caters EXACTLY what the Chinese government would like , and then they use their overpowered censorship and propoganda to promote it and only it...Question MarksProfit ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about I develop a game that caters EXACTLY what the Chinese government would like, and then they use their overpowered censorship and propoganda to promote it and only it...Question MarksProfit?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30165740</id>
	<title>Re:Blah blah blah from the government</title>
	<author>tpg0007</author>
	<datestamp>1258633500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This guy's got the right idea. What's said is totally different from what's done in China. It's like that with a lot of world governments to be sure, but still the prevalence makes a difference.

MMOs because they're more resistant to piracy are the big slice of China's domestic game industry. Most of them have ads that put the infamous Civony to shame.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This guy 's got the right idea .
What 's said is totally different from what 's done in China .
It 's like that with a lot of world governments to be sure , but still the prevalence makes a difference .
MMOs because they 're more resistant to piracy are the big slice of China 's domestic game industry .
Most of them have ads that put the infamous Civony to shame .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This guy's got the right idea.
What's said is totally different from what's done in China.
It's like that with a lot of world governments to be sure, but still the prevalence makes a difference.
MMOs because they're more resistant to piracy are the big slice of China's domestic game industry.
Most of them have ads that put the infamous Civony to shame.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30161244</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30163234</id>
	<title>Re:All American Developers MUST refuse.</title>
	<author>brkello</author>
	<datestamp>1258624800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, no they don't have to refuse.  See, in America we have the freedom of choice.  If a game developer chooses to alter the game so that it can sell in China, that is their choice.  That is freedom.  To call them traitors wins you stupid post of the day.  You have freedom of speech so that you can say such things, but I would wish you would use your freedom of speech in ways that aren't sensational and moronic.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , no they do n't have to refuse .
See , in America we have the freedom of choice .
If a game developer chooses to alter the game so that it can sell in China , that is their choice .
That is freedom .
To call them traitors wins you stupid post of the day .
You have freedom of speech so that you can say such things , but I would wish you would use your freedom of speech in ways that are n't sensational and moronic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, no they don't have to refuse.
See, in America we have the freedom of choice.
If a game developer chooses to alter the game so that it can sell in China, that is their choice.
That is freedom.
To call them traitors wins you stupid post of the day.
You have freedom of speech so that you can say such things, but I would wish you would use your freedom of speech in ways that aren't sensational and moronic.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30161882</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30163748</id>
	<title>Wrong question.</title>
	<author>Requiem18th</author>
	<datestamp>1258626240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>But is it worth the gamble to game developers?</p></div></blockquote><p>I think the question is it ethical to do so? Yes, this, like the fucked up Google results are one of those cases where you could suggest that the people of China  are better served by a government manipulated service than no service at all, but what about us? What does it say about us?</p><p>I would refuse to work for a company that made such compromises on freedom at all, I mean what do these guys tell their friends/family/kids?</p><p>- What you do you do daddy?<br>- Well I make sure the young population of china never gets a feeling of independence or self worth outside remaining subservient to the state honey.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But is it worth the gamble to game developers ? I think the question is it ethical to do so ?
Yes , this , like the fucked up Google results are one of those cases where you could suggest that the people of China are better served by a government manipulated service than no service at all , but what about us ?
What does it say about us ? I would refuse to work for a company that made such compromises on freedom at all , I mean what do these guys tell their friends/family/kids ? - What you do you do daddy ? - Well I make sure the young population of china never gets a feeling of independence or self worth outside remaining subservient to the state honey .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But is it worth the gamble to game developers?I think the question is it ethical to do so?
Yes, this, like the fucked up Google results are one of those cases where you could suggest that the people of China  are better served by a government manipulated service than no service at all, but what about us?
What does it say about us?I would refuse to work for a company that made such compromises on freedom at all, I mean what do these guys tell their friends/family/kids?- What you do you do daddy?- Well I make sure the young population of china never gets a feeling of independence or self worth outside remaining subservient to the state honey.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30164642</id>
	<title>Re:Good for them!</title>
	<author>ArundelCastle</author>
	<datestamp>1258628880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>I heard they are banning all Wii games with the word "Party" in the title.</p></div><p>Will they at least let people play Dance Dance Cultural Revolution?</p></div><p>Sorry, they've just declared Dance Dancing as activity against the State because it involves standing in a Square.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I heard they are banning all Wii games with the word " Party " in the title.Will they at least let people play Dance Dance Cultural Revolution ? Sorry , they 've just declared Dance Dancing as activity against the State because it involves standing in a Square .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I heard they are banning all Wii games with the word "Party" in the title.Will they at least let people play Dance Dance Cultural Revolution?Sorry, they've just declared Dance Dancing as activity against the State because it involves standing in a Square.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30160932</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30161148</id>
	<title>Its not a gamble. It just means you're a sellout.</title>
	<author>2obvious4u</author>
	<datestamp>1258661100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Any respectable company should boycott the Chinese market over this.  It isn't a gamble to sell games to china that meet their criteria, however it does mean that you sold out your conscience for more profits.  Personally I'd refuse to make changes from a piece of artwork to appease the establishment.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Any respectable company should boycott the Chinese market over this .
It is n't a gamble to sell games to china that meet their criteria , however it does mean that you sold out your conscience for more profits .
Personally I 'd refuse to make changes from a piece of artwork to appease the establishment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Any respectable company should boycott the Chinese market over this.
It isn't a gamble to sell games to china that meet their criteria, however it does mean that you sold out your conscience for more profits.
Personally I'd refuse to make changes from a piece of artwork to appease the establishment.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30164904</id>
	<title>So Much For My Shareware</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258630020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was really hoping that my Chinese-only shareware adventure game Holy Falun Gong Great Taiwan Super Tibetan Independence Skeleton Bash would make me rich, but it's not looking so good now.  Maybe they'll let me sell it in China if I add a registration screen and transmit all player's names and IP addresses to the National Party Loyalty Enforcement Authority.  Works for HP and Google!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was really hoping that my Chinese-only shareware adventure game Holy Falun Gong Great Taiwan Super Tibetan Independence Skeleton Bash would make me rich , but it 's not looking so good now .
Maybe they 'll let me sell it in China if I add a registration screen and transmit all player 's names and IP addresses to the National Party Loyalty Enforcement Authority .
Works for HP and Google !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was really hoping that my Chinese-only shareware adventure game Holy Falun Gong Great Taiwan Super Tibetan Independence Skeleton Bash would make me rich, but it's not looking so good now.
Maybe they'll let me sell it in China if I add a registration screen and transmit all player's names and IP addresses to the National Party Loyalty Enforcement Authority.
Works for HP and Google!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30163354</id>
	<title>Re:Bribes</title>
	<author>ajs</author>
	<datestamp>1258625040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is the problem with MMOs overseas. They represent an organization which can be interacted with. It's widely accepted that once a product is out, its distribution can only be limited, not eliminated, but a company that's selling ongoing services can be forced to comply with regulations or simply shut down. Centralization is failure when it comes to dealing with repression.</p><p>Perhaps it's time for me to dig up and re-think my decentralized MMO idea....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is the problem with MMOs overseas .
They represent an organization which can be interacted with .
It 's widely accepted that once a product is out , its distribution can only be limited , not eliminated , but a company that 's selling ongoing services can be forced to comply with regulations or simply shut down .
Centralization is failure when it comes to dealing with repression.Perhaps it 's time for me to dig up and re-think my decentralized MMO idea... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is the problem with MMOs overseas.
They represent an organization which can be interacted with.
It's widely accepted that once a product is out, its distribution can only be limited, not eliminated, but a company that's selling ongoing services can be forced to comply with regulations or simply shut down.
Centralization is failure when it comes to dealing with repression.Perhaps it's time for me to dig up and re-think my decentralized MMO idea....</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30161202</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30161746</id>
	<title>Re:nuts</title>
	<author>Pascal Sartoretti</author>
	<datestamp>1258663020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p> It's a market that in a few years will be 5-10 times larger than the US market</p></div><p>
China's GDP is 2-3 times smaller than the USA's (depending on how you count it). Though it is growing faster, some <a href="http://sun-bin.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-will-chinas-gdp-overtake-us.html" title="blogspot.com">argue</a> [blogspot.com] that China will never catch the USA.
</p><p>
Not even mentioning the widespread piracy. Not even mentioning the Chinese people's reluctance to pay money to foreign companies...</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a market that in a few years will be 5-10 times larger than the US market China 's GDP is 2-3 times smaller than the USA 's ( depending on how you count it ) .
Though it is growing faster , some argue [ blogspot.com ] that China will never catch the USA .
Not even mentioning the widespread piracy .
Not even mentioning the Chinese people 's reluctance to pay money to foreign companies.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> It's a market that in a few years will be 5-10 times larger than the US market
China's GDP is 2-3 times smaller than the USA's (depending on how you count it).
Though it is growing faster, some argue [blogspot.com] that China will never catch the USA.
Not even mentioning the widespread piracy.
Not even mentioning the Chinese people's reluctance to pay money to foreign companies...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30160556</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30162904</id>
	<title>/. Ad on the right...</title>
	<author>agentc0re</author>
	<datestamp>1258623840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I saw this free game play ad on the right of the article, "Neverland"<br>Oh it's so perfect. "Neverland" the place where Chinese never play games.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I saw this free game play ad on the right of the article , " Neverland " Oh it 's so perfect .
" Neverland " the place where Chinese never play games .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I saw this free game play ad on the right of the article, "Neverland"Oh it's so perfect.
"Neverland" the place where Chinese never play games.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30168764</id>
	<title>Enhance socialist values????</title>
	<author>leereyno</author>
	<datestamp>1258660140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So in other words, in order for the thugocrats who run the Chinese prison state to make nice, you have to create games that lie?</p><p>Communism is evil.</p><p>Socialism is just a euphemism for Communism.</p><p>The thugocrats in who run China have a profound understanding of Communism.  It is a tool by which the ruthless few can gain and keep power over the helpless many.</p><p>The thugocrats don't really BELIEVE in communism.  What they do believe is that they should have power over their fellow man and that communism provides a way to do this.</p><p>They hate democracy precisely because it would take power away from them spread it far and wide.</p><p>I would not want to create content that justifies the rule of these thugs.</p><p>But like someone else has already mentioned, in a corrupt society like China, it all comes down to who you bribe and how generous your offer is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So in other words , in order for the thugocrats who run the Chinese prison state to make nice , you have to create games that lie ? Communism is evil.Socialism is just a euphemism for Communism.The thugocrats in who run China have a profound understanding of Communism .
It is a tool by which the ruthless few can gain and keep power over the helpless many.The thugocrats do n't really BELIEVE in communism .
What they do believe is that they should have power over their fellow man and that communism provides a way to do this.They hate democracy precisely because it would take power away from them spread it far and wide.I would not want to create content that justifies the rule of these thugs.But like someone else has already mentioned , in a corrupt society like China , it all comes down to who you bribe and how generous your offer is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So in other words, in order for the thugocrats who run the Chinese prison state to make nice, you have to create games that lie?Communism is evil.Socialism is just a euphemism for Communism.The thugocrats in who run China have a profound understanding of Communism.
It is a tool by which the ruthless few can gain and keep power over the helpless many.The thugocrats don't really BELIEVE in communism.
What they do believe is that they should have power over their fellow man and that communism provides a way to do this.They hate democracy precisely because it would take power away from them spread it far and wide.I would not want to create content that justifies the rule of these thugs.But like someone else has already mentioned, in a corrupt society like China, it all comes down to who you bribe and how generous your offer is.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30161218</id>
	<title>Now, if only...</title>
	<author>Foobar of Borg</author>
	<datestamp>1258661340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Now, if we can only get Jack Thompson to learn Chinese and move to Beijing, we could finally get him out of our hair and inflict him on someone else.  It would be a career move in keeping with his past "crusades".  Of course, the Chinese may consider such a move an act of war.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now , if we can only get Jack Thompson to learn Chinese and move to Beijing , we could finally get him out of our hair and inflict him on someone else .
It would be a career move in keeping with his past " crusades " .
Of course , the Chinese may consider such a move an act of war .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now, if we can only get Jack Thompson to learn Chinese and move to Beijing, we could finally get him out of our hair and inflict him on someone else.
It would be a career move in keeping with his past "crusades".
Of course, the Chinese may consider such a move an act of war.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30161054</id>
	<title>Re:nuts</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258660740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Frankly, ten years from now, game developers will probably wonder whether it's worth the trouble anymore translating their games for the US market.</i></p><p>Yeah, kind of like how Chinese cinema is now destroying Hollywood.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Frankly , ten years from now , game developers will probably wonder whether it 's worth the trouble anymore translating their games for the US market.Yeah , kind of like how Chinese cinema is now destroying Hollywood .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Frankly, ten years from now, game developers will probably wonder whether it's worth the trouble anymore translating their games for the US market.Yeah, kind of like how Chinese cinema is now destroying Hollywood.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30167456</id>
	<title>Re:nuts</title>
	<author>MMInterface</author>
	<datestamp>1258644600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Frankly, ten years from now, game developers will probably wonder whether it's worth the trouble anymore translating their games for the US market.</p></div><p>I don't think the question is whether it's worth the trouble. It think the question is can these companies make good games with these lame sets of rules, and will those games appeal to Chinese gamers. If that does not happen it will not matter how big their market is. Another issue to consider is how will the rules change in the future. The Chinese government is very aggressive at combating excessive gaming. Don't put it past them to decide that video games in general do not fit their socialist values. They have already done just that with other types of digital media.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Frankly , ten years from now , game developers will probably wonder whether it 's worth the trouble anymore translating their games for the US market.I do n't think the question is whether it 's worth the trouble .
It think the question is can these companies make good games with these lame sets of rules , and will those games appeal to Chinese gamers .
If that does not happen it will not matter how big their market is .
Another issue to consider is how will the rules change in the future .
The Chinese government is very aggressive at combating excessive gaming .
Do n't put it past them to decide that video games in general do not fit their socialist values .
They have already done just that with other types of digital media .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Frankly, ten years from now, game developers will probably wonder whether it's worth the trouble anymore translating their games for the US market.I don't think the question is whether it's worth the trouble.
It think the question is can these companies make good games with these lame sets of rules, and will those games appeal to Chinese gamers.
If that does not happen it will not matter how big their market is.
Another issue to consider is how will the rules change in the future.
The Chinese government is very aggressive at combating excessive gaming.
Don't put it past them to decide that video games in general do not fit their socialist values.
They have already done just that with other types of digital media.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30162592</id>
	<title>Re:No PVP?</title>
	<author>Foobar of Borg</author>
	<datestamp>1258622700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>And that's different with respect to other countries, how?</p></div></blockquote><p>Because in China, it not only occurs, it is expected.  Read, for example, "The Outlaws of the Marsh", which is set in the Song Dynasty.  Official bribery is part of Chinese culture.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And that 's different with respect to other countries , how ? Because in China , it not only occurs , it is expected .
Read , for example , " The Outlaws of the Marsh " , which is set in the Song Dynasty .
Official bribery is part of Chinese culture .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And that's different with respect to other countries, how?Because in China, it not only occurs, it is expected.
Read, for example, "The Outlaws of the Marsh", which is set in the Song Dynasty.
Official bribery is part of Chinese culture.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30167680</id>
	<title>Game is a important medium in China</title>
	<author>dUN82</author>
	<datestamp>1258647300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Another important reason why the government is posing more restrictions on gaming in China is due to game itself is becoming an important medium in China, which you can effectively reach the youth group in China [as well as the last US election]. Probably the only channel the government left in the wild without censorship for the past decade. Young people in China really don't have much option to choose a hobby, the only thing that is cheap and people can have fun is online gaming, that is why internet cafes are still filled with young people and underage children [gov require to be 18 to enter internet cafes in china during schools which is poorly enforced].</htmltext>
<tokenext>Another important reason why the government is posing more restrictions on gaming in China is due to game itself is becoming an important medium in China , which you can effectively reach the youth group in China [ as well as the last US election ] .
Probably the only channel the government left in the wild without censorship for the past decade .
Young people in China really do n't have much option to choose a hobby , the only thing that is cheap and people can have fun is online gaming , that is why internet cafes are still filled with young people and underage children [ gov require to be 18 to enter internet cafes in china during schools which is poorly enforced ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another important reason why the government is posing more restrictions on gaming in China is due to game itself is becoming an important medium in China, which you can effectively reach the youth group in China [as well as the last US election].
Probably the only channel the government left in the wild without censorship for the past decade.
Young people in China really don't have much option to choose a hobby, the only thing that is cheap and people can have fun is online gaming, that is why internet cafes are still filled with young people and underage children [gov require to be 18 to enter internet cafes in china during schools which is poorly enforced].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30161404</id>
	<title>Is it still worth releasing games in China?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258662000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If I was a U.S. game shop I probably wouldn't even consider releasing in China. Does China really generate that much revenue to make it worthwhile?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I was a U.S. game shop I probably would n't even consider releasing in China .
Does China really generate that much revenue to make it worthwhile ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I was a U.S. game shop I probably wouldn't even consider releasing in China.
Does China really generate that much revenue to make it worthwhile?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30161640</id>
	<title>Re:No PVP?</title>
	<author>DNS-and-BIND</author>
	<datestamp>1258662720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>"One of the things I have always found troubling about Westerners doing business in emerging market countries is that they sometimes take an almost perverse pride in discussing payoffs to government officials.  It is as though their having paid a bribe is a symbol of their international sophistication and insider knowledge.  Yet, countless times when I am told of the bribe, I know the very same thing could almost certainly have been accomplished without a bribe."  --<a href="http://www.chinalawblog.com/2006/10/us\_company\_bribery\_in\_china\_vi.html" title="chinalawblog.com">Source</a> [chinalawblog.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>" One of the things I have always found troubling about Westerners doing business in emerging market countries is that they sometimes take an almost perverse pride in discussing payoffs to government officials .
It is as though their having paid a bribe is a symbol of their international sophistication and insider knowledge .
Yet , countless times when I am told of the bribe , I know the very same thing could almost certainly have been accomplished without a bribe .
" --Source [ chinalawblog.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"One of the things I have always found troubling about Westerners doing business in emerging market countries is that they sometimes take an almost perverse pride in discussing payoffs to government officials.
It is as though their having paid a bribe is a symbol of their international sophistication and insider knowledge.
Yet, countless times when I am told of the bribe, I know the very same thing could almost certainly have been accomplished without a bribe.
"  --Source [chinalawblog.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30161344</id>
	<title>Don't let developers become part of the problem.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258661820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The gaming rules make the games part of the communism enforcement machine. This is different than car manufacturing or tupperware. Saying you have to have communism party values in the game enforces this oppressive behavior.  Then the developer becomes part of the problem. Don't let $$$ be a motivation for oppression.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The gaming rules make the games part of the communism enforcement machine .
This is different than car manufacturing or tupperware .
Saying you have to have communism party values in the game enforces this oppressive behavior .
Then the developer becomes part of the problem .
Do n't let $ $ $ be a motivation for oppression .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The gaming rules make the games part of the communism enforcement machine.
This is different than car manufacturing or tupperware.
Saying you have to have communism party values in the game enforces this oppressive behavior.
Then the developer becomes part of the problem.
Don't let $$$ be a motivation for oppression.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30162910</id>
	<title>Re:nuts</title>
	<author>LandDolphin</author>
	<datestamp>1258623900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>While there are a lot of people in China, the disposable income per person in China is much lower than in the US and Europe.</htmltext>
<tokenext>While there are a lot of people in China , the disposable income per person in China is much lower than in the US and Europe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While there are a lot of people in China, the disposable income per person in China is much lower than in the US and Europe.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30178270</id>
	<title>Re:Best Plan Ever?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258715040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First, they came for the PKers, and I did not speak up, because I played on blue servers.</p><p>Then, they came for the RPers, and I did not speak up, because I laughed at the great funeral raid of '06.</p><p>Then, they came in with chat restrictions, and I did not speak up, because I didn't talk politics in my guild chat.</p><p>Then, they came for the admins, and I did not speak up, because the one I petitioned didn't help me finish that bugged quest several months back.</p><p>Then, they crippled WoW out of existence in order to prop up their own crappy-arse derivative mmo, and there was nobody left to speak up for me, the developers, or the players.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>It IS a matter of scale, but China's also known for its careful tracking of the working class, its monitoring and repression of various speech forums, its heavy-handed Internet censorship, and its severe punishment of dissidents, as well as for encouraging corporate espionage, engaging in heavy protectionism, and for involvement in a number of predatory investment practices.  This is one very tiny front in a very big, so-far-cold, so-far-economic conflict.  Ignoring the wee saplings at the edge of the forest lets the great woody expanse grow ever more broad and tall.  A government has no freaking business forcing games, or books, or blogs, or newspapers, or local politicians, or educators to universally, unquestioningly, and vociferously promote their flavor of goodthink.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First , they came for the PKers , and I did not speak up , because I played on blue servers.Then , they came for the RPers , and I did not speak up , because I laughed at the great funeral raid of '06.Then , they came in with chat restrictions , and I did not speak up , because I did n't talk politics in my guild chat.Then , they came for the admins , and I did not speak up , because the one I petitioned did n't help me finish that bugged quest several months back.Then , they crippled WoW out of existence in order to prop up their own crappy-arse derivative mmo , and there was nobody left to speak up for me , the developers , or the players .
...It IS a matter of scale , but China 's also known for its careful tracking of the working class , its monitoring and repression of various speech forums , its heavy-handed Internet censorship , and its severe punishment of dissidents , as well as for encouraging corporate espionage , engaging in heavy protectionism , and for involvement in a number of predatory investment practices .
This is one very tiny front in a very big , so-far-cold , so-far-economic conflict .
Ignoring the wee saplings at the edge of the forest lets the great woody expanse grow ever more broad and tall .
A government has no freaking business forcing games , or books , or blogs , or newspapers , or local politicians , or educators to universally , unquestioningly , and vociferously promote their flavor of goodthink .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First, they came for the PKers, and I did not speak up, because I played on blue servers.Then, they came for the RPers, and I did not speak up, because I laughed at the great funeral raid of '06.Then, they came in with chat restrictions, and I did not speak up, because I didn't talk politics in my guild chat.Then, they came for the admins, and I did not speak up, because the one I petitioned didn't help me finish that bugged quest several months back.Then, they crippled WoW out of existence in order to prop up their own crappy-arse derivative mmo, and there was nobody left to speak up for me, the developers, or the players.
...It IS a matter of scale, but China's also known for its careful tracking of the working class, its monitoring and repression of various speech forums, its heavy-handed Internet censorship, and its severe punishment of dissidents, as well as for encouraging corporate espionage, engaging in heavy protectionism, and for involvement in a number of predatory investment practices.
This is one very tiny front in a very big, so-far-cold, so-far-economic conflict.
Ignoring the wee saplings at the edge of the forest lets the great woody expanse grow ever more broad and tall.
A government has no freaking business forcing games, or books, or blogs, or newspapers, or local politicians, or educators to universally, unquestioningly, and vociferously promote their flavor of goodthink.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30163314</id>
	<title>Re:nuts</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258624920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That is the silliest thing I've ever heard.  The Chinese love games like everyone else.</p><p>But take it from someone who has sold software in China - they just don't like to pay for it,  doesn't matter whether it was developed here or there.  They won't buy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That is the silliest thing I 've ever heard .
The Chinese love games like everyone else.But take it from someone who has sold software in China - they just do n't like to pay for it , does n't matter whether it was developed here or there .
They wo n't buy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is the silliest thing I've ever heard.
The Chinese love games like everyone else.But take it from someone who has sold software in China - they just don't like to pay for it,  doesn't matter whether it was developed here or there.
They won't buy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30163188</id>
	<title>Good way to bring down communism</title>
	<author>Alexpkeaton1010</author>
	<datestamp>1258624620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Have 20 million Chinese WoW addicts have their game taken away.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Have 20 million Chinese WoW addicts have their game taken away .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have 20 million Chinese WoW addicts have their game taken away.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30161324</id>
	<title>Desireable means their profit and agenda first.</title>
	<author>Bob\_Who</author>
	<datestamp>1258661760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Its called a dogmatic National Interest.  Welcom to international super power politics and self interest.  Its how we all feel indignantly justified in our ethnocentric human nature. If the media is from a "foreign" undesirable culture then please feel free to steal it since we won't let you buy it, and you are a criminal anyway.  But the legitimate stuff that they sell, first and foremost.  America just can't seem to wrap their minds around the fact that China, the most populous nation by far, is not a democracy.  If it we're, they'd out vote us every time.  Which is exactly how they handle us anyway.  Its like trying to push a sleepy grumpy Yak up a mountain with a twig.  Moooooo.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Its called a dogmatic National Interest .
Welcom to international super power politics and self interest .
Its how we all feel indignantly justified in our ethnocentric human nature .
If the media is from a " foreign " undesirable culture then please feel free to steal it since we wo n't let you buy it , and you are a criminal anyway .
But the legitimate stuff that they sell , first and foremost .
America just ca n't seem to wrap their minds around the fact that China , the most populous nation by far , is not a democracy .
If it we 're , they 'd out vote us every time .
Which is exactly how they handle us anyway .
Its like trying to push a sleepy grumpy Yak up a mountain with a twig .
Moooooo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its called a dogmatic National Interest.
Welcom to international super power politics and self interest.
Its how we all feel indignantly justified in our ethnocentric human nature.
If the media is from a "foreign" undesirable culture then please feel free to steal it since we won't let you buy it, and you are a criminal anyway.
But the legitimate stuff that they sell, first and foremost.
America just can't seem to wrap their minds around the fact that China, the most populous nation by far, is not a democracy.
If it we're, they'd out vote us every time.
Which is exactly how they handle us anyway.
Its like trying to push a sleepy grumpy Yak up a mountain with a twig.
Moooooo.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30161810</id>
	<title>Re:No PVP?</title>
	<author>jamboarder</author>
	<datestamp>1258663200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And that's different with respect to other countries, how?  Good thing businesses are so honest in the US or EU countries that they are never giving bribes nor are their people in power accepting them.  If only China could learn to be as honest, upstanding and incorruptible as the people in the US Congress and people like Obama and Bush they'd just have such a wonderful utopia.</p></div><p>How is this flamebait?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And that 's different with respect to other countries , how ?
Good thing businesses are so honest in the US or EU countries that they are never giving bribes nor are their people in power accepting them .
If only China could learn to be as honest , upstanding and incorruptible as the people in the US Congress and people like Obama and Bush they 'd just have such a wonderful utopia.How is this flamebait ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And that's different with respect to other countries, how?
Good thing businesses are so honest in the US or EU countries that they are never giving bribes nor are their people in power accepting them.
If only China could learn to be as honest, upstanding and incorruptible as the people in the US Congress and people like Obama and Bush they'd just have such a wonderful utopia.How is this flamebait?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30161300</id>
	<title>fr1st psot</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258661640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">the 3reaper In a</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>the 3reaper In a [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the 3reaper In a [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30161412</id>
	<title>Re:nuts</title>
	<author>Mr Otobor</author>
	<datestamp>1258662060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Frankly, ten years from now, game developers will probably wonder whether it's worth the trouble anymore translating their games for the US market.</p></div><p>Well, that hardly seems likely, even if the US is still "only" the number one market in 10 years<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)  (Maybe a different story 20 - 30 years out.)</p><p>While I could imagine a collapse of UK/US to just "ENG", but I seriously doubt the English speaking market is going anywhere (UK, US, AU, CA, NZ, de facto second language for many in India, lots of other people who don't get to have games/manuals/books/etc. translated to their native language as part of the standard 8 or 10 translations done for most modern products.)  Perhaps in another 100 or 200 years, English and Chinese will have begun to merge for real (if Chingrish isn't already on that path) but you're going to continue to have a huge English market if for no other reason than right now 400million+ speak English as a first language, and the majority of those are in countries that are not under any kind of population pressure or serious resource pressure (think US and Canada.).  Also, you forget the language diversity within China... out of 1.2 billion "only" 850+ million speak Mandarin as a first language.</p><p>China is rising, yeah, the US is going down, yeah, blah, blah, blah.  It makes a nice headline and gets peoples' emotions up a bit, but the truth is more like, "China is rising and the US is... rising much more slowly.  But is way, way far out ahead."  Anyway, did anyone really thing the world could remain so massively imbalanced in power and prestige forever?  (The answer, apparently, at least if you listen to news and posts like this, is "Yes.")</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Frankly , ten years from now , game developers will probably wonder whether it 's worth the trouble anymore translating their games for the US market.Well , that hardly seems likely , even if the US is still " only " the number one market in 10 years : ) ( Maybe a different story 20 - 30 years out .
) While I could imagine a collapse of UK/US to just " ENG " , but I seriously doubt the English speaking market is going anywhere ( UK , US , AU , CA , NZ , de facto second language for many in India , lots of other people who do n't get to have games/manuals/books/etc .
translated to their native language as part of the standard 8 or 10 translations done for most modern products .
) Perhaps in another 100 or 200 years , English and Chinese will have begun to merge for real ( if Chingrish is n't already on that path ) but you 're going to continue to have a huge English market if for no other reason than right now 400million + speak English as a first language , and the majority of those are in countries that are not under any kind of population pressure or serious resource pressure ( think US and Canada. ) .
Also , you forget the language diversity within China... out of 1.2 billion " only " 850 + million speak Mandarin as a first language.China is rising , yeah , the US is going down , yeah , blah , blah , blah .
It makes a nice headline and gets peoples ' emotions up a bit , but the truth is more like , " China is rising and the US is... rising much more slowly .
But is way , way far out ahead .
" Anyway , did anyone really thing the world could remain so massively imbalanced in power and prestige forever ?
( The answer , apparently , at least if you listen to news and posts like this , is " Yes .
" )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Frankly, ten years from now, game developers will probably wonder whether it's worth the trouble anymore translating their games for the US market.Well, that hardly seems likely, even if the US is still "only" the number one market in 10 years :)  (Maybe a different story 20 - 30 years out.
)While I could imagine a collapse of UK/US to just "ENG", but I seriously doubt the English speaking market is going anywhere (UK, US, AU, CA, NZ, de facto second language for many in India, lots of other people who don't get to have games/manuals/books/etc.
translated to their native language as part of the standard 8 or 10 translations done for most modern products.
)  Perhaps in another 100 or 200 years, English and Chinese will have begun to merge for real (if Chingrish isn't already on that path) but you're going to continue to have a huge English market if for no other reason than right now 400million+ speak English as a first language, and the majority of those are in countries that are not under any kind of population pressure or serious resource pressure (think US and Canada.).
Also, you forget the language diversity within China... out of 1.2 billion "only" 850+ million speak Mandarin as a first language.China is rising, yeah, the US is going down, yeah, blah, blah, blah.
It makes a nice headline and gets peoples' emotions up a bit, but the truth is more like, "China is rising and the US is... rising much more slowly.
But is way, way far out ahead.
"  Anyway, did anyone really thing the world could remain so massively imbalanced in power and prestige forever?
(The answer, apparently, at least if you listen to news and posts like this, is "Yes.
")
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30161882</id>
	<title>All American Developers MUST refuse.</title>
	<author>AndyTheCoderMan</author>
	<datestamp>1258663500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you are an American and truly believe that our basic freedoms should be universal, then you are no less than a traitor to your own people if you agree to work under these guidelines. If a popular game like WoW was to make this stand you would have millions of people demanding change.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you are an American and truly believe that our basic freedoms should be universal , then you are no less than a traitor to your own people if you agree to work under these guidelines .
If a popular game like WoW was to make this stand you would have millions of people demanding change .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you are an American and truly believe that our basic freedoms should be universal, then you are no less than a traitor to your own people if you agree to work under these guidelines.
If a popular game like WoW was to make this stand you would have millions of people demanding change.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30161426</id>
	<title>You guys never cease to amaze me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258662060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Everyday there is someone whining about something in China. Each and every country has its own laws and regulations. If you didn't like it, don't do business there. Bunch of whining nerds who are clueless about China or any other foreign countries.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Everyday there is someone whining about something in China .
Each and every country has its own laws and regulations .
If you did n't like it , do n't do business there .
Bunch of whining nerds who are clueless about China or any other foreign countries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everyday there is someone whining about something in China.
Each and every country has its own laws and regulations.
If you didn't like it, don't do business there.
Bunch of whining nerds who are clueless about China or any other foreign countries.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30162956</id>
	<title>Re:No PVP?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258624020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, they just want them playing games with "socialist values."  Free copies of BioShock for everyone!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , they just want them playing games with " socialist values .
" Free copies of BioShock for everyone !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, they just want them playing games with "socialist values.
"  Free copies of BioShock for everyone!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30160448</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30160746</id>
	<title>Re:No PVP?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258659720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>PvP cuts into the gold-farming time - gotta keep pushing the GDP up!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>PvP cuts into the gold-farming time - got ta keep pushing the GDP up !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>PvP cuts into the gold-farming time - gotta keep pushing the GDP up!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30162310</id>
	<title>Mechwarrior 3</title>
	<author>jgtg32a</author>
	<datestamp>1258621800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>MW3 has been out for a while and I don't remember House Liao being mentioned.</htmltext>
<tokenext>MW3 has been out for a while and I do n't remember House Liao being mentioned .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MW3 has been out for a while and I don't remember House Liao being mentioned.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30172416</id>
	<title>Re:That's the China fallacy</title>
	<author>crf00</author>
	<datestamp>1258738320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Xaedalus I very agree with what you said and thanks for the insight. I am interested to research further into your proposition. Can you provide me sources that support your arguments? Thanks.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Xaedalus I very agree with what you said and thanks for the insight .
I am interested to research further into your proposition .
Can you provide me sources that support your arguments ?
Thanks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Xaedalus I very agree with what you said and thanks for the insight.
I am interested to research further into your proposition.
Can you provide me sources that support your arguments?
Thanks.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30161506</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30160558</id>
	<title>Re:No PVP?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258659120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't worry, as with all business in China you just have to know who to bribe.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't worry , as with all business in China you just have to know who to bribe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't worry, as with all business in China you just have to know who to bribe.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30160448</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30160870</id>
	<title>Re:nuts</title>
	<author>eldavojohn</author>
	<datestamp>1258660140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Are you nuts? It's a market that in a few years will be 5-10 times larger than the US market, taking into account that asian cultures are more open to gaming in general (see Korea for example).</p></div><p>I may be a bit touched in the head to suggest staying out of the Chinese market to avoid unclear penalties and becoming a government tool, but I'm not crazy enough to generalize that many people or even try to compare Korean (I assume you imply South Korean) culture to Chinese culture.  That's a brazenly occidental view of the world.  Are you an expert on both?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you nuts ?
It 's a market that in a few years will be 5-10 times larger than the US market , taking into account that asian cultures are more open to gaming in general ( see Korea for example ) .I may be a bit touched in the head to suggest staying out of the Chinese market to avoid unclear penalties and becoming a government tool , but I 'm not crazy enough to generalize that many people or even try to compare Korean ( I assume you imply South Korean ) culture to Chinese culture .
That 's a brazenly occidental view of the world .
Are you an expert on both ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you nuts?
It's a market that in a few years will be 5-10 times larger than the US market, taking into account that asian cultures are more open to gaming in general (see Korea for example).I may be a bit touched in the head to suggest staying out of the Chinese market to avoid unclear penalties and becoming a government tool, but I'm not crazy enough to generalize that many people or even try to compare Korean (I assume you imply South Korean) culture to Chinese culture.
That's a brazenly occidental view of the world.
Are you an expert on both?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30160556</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30161224</id>
	<title>Re:Best Plan Ever?</title>
	<author>Eevee</author>
	<datestamp>1258661340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can assure you that no matter how history views IBM, it hasn't affected IBM's stock prices one bit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can assure you that no matter how history views IBM , it has n't affected IBM 's stock prices one bit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can assure you that no matter how history views IBM, it hasn't affected IBM's stock prices one bit.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30160738</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30162404</id>
	<title>Re:Blah blah blah from the government</title>
	<author>gedrin</author>
	<datestamp>1258622100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Apparently I will soon have a Ministry of Culture controlling the content of my entertainment to enhance socialist values.  Welcome to the People's Republic of Stormwind.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apparently I will soon have a Ministry of Culture controlling the content of my entertainment to enhance socialist values .
Welcome to the People 's Republic of Stormwind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apparently I will soon have a Ministry of Culture controlling the content of my entertainment to enhance socialist values.
Welcome to the People's Republic of Stormwind.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30161244</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30198928</id>
	<title>Re:Blah blah blah from the government</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258906740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is exactly right.</p><p>I write for an English-language free magazine in a provincial city in China. The magazine is plainly illegal. Chinese rules on publications are rather strict, requiring a special publication authorization number, to start; the publisher looked into getting one, but being unable to do so, just ignores the regulations. He has been publishing for more than four years now. As long as he doesn't get too big, or do something controversial, the local government (which is almost always responsible for enforcement) is content to ignore him. I don't pretend to know how the Chinese government thinks but what  DNS-and-BIND said above is the consensus understanding.</p><p>Oh, and second to the comment about Chinese mercantile policy history above. I believe at one point Condi Rice to her counterparts in the Chinese government called their policies mercantilism to their faces, and their reaction was, basically, uh-huh.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is exactly right.I write for an English-language free magazine in a provincial city in China .
The magazine is plainly illegal .
Chinese rules on publications are rather strict , requiring a special publication authorization number , to start ; the publisher looked into getting one , but being unable to do so , just ignores the regulations .
He has been publishing for more than four years now .
As long as he does n't get too big , or do something controversial , the local government ( which is almost always responsible for enforcement ) is content to ignore him .
I do n't pretend to know how the Chinese government thinks but what DNS-and-BIND said above is the consensus understanding.Oh , and second to the comment about Chinese mercantile policy history above .
I believe at one point Condi Rice to her counterparts in the Chinese government called their policies mercantilism to their faces , and their reaction was , basically , uh-huh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is exactly right.I write for an English-language free magazine in a provincial city in China.
The magazine is plainly illegal.
Chinese rules on publications are rather strict, requiring a special publication authorization number, to start; the publisher looked into getting one, but being unable to do so, just ignores the regulations.
He has been publishing for more than four years now.
As long as he doesn't get too big, or do something controversial, the local government (which is almost always responsible for enforcement) is content to ignore him.
I don't pretend to know how the Chinese government thinks but what  DNS-and-BIND said above is the consensus understanding.Oh, and second to the comment about Chinese mercantile policy history above.
I believe at one point Condi Rice to her counterparts in the Chinese government called their policies mercantilism to their faces, and their reaction was, basically, uh-huh.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30161244</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30175802</id>
	<title>Re:Blah blah blah from the government</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258749660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>durr, just like my country only my country is much worse</htmltext>
<tokenext>durr , just like my country only my country is much worse</tokentext>
<sentencetext>durr, just like my country only my country is much worse</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30161244</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30161064</id>
	<title>Not so fast, sinophile.</title>
	<author>sethstorm</author>
	<datestamp>1258660860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>. If there is any single market in the world that's worth it, it's <b>the United States of America</b>.</p></div><p>FIFY.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Other industry has been there, done that. Car manufacturers all knew after the initial surprises that if they open a factory in China, their blueprints will be copied and another chinese factory somewhere else will produce the same cars for a cheaper price. Some stayed out of China for that reason.</p></div><p>Good reason to stay out of a Second(Russia) World or Third World country(China/India/Brazil) and manufacture in a First World(US/UK/Pre-Expansion EU) one.</p><p>Besides, you're selling largely to party bosses anyway.  The rest are just junk-grade copies.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Frankly, ten years from now, game developers will probably wonder whether it's worth the trouble anymore translating their games for the US market.</p></div><p>They will translate for the US and it won't be a second-rate job.  End of story.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>.
If there is any single market in the world that 's worth it , it 's the United States of America.FIFY.Other industry has been there , done that .
Car manufacturers all knew after the initial surprises that if they open a factory in China , their blueprints will be copied and another chinese factory somewhere else will produce the same cars for a cheaper price .
Some stayed out of China for that reason.Good reason to stay out of a Second ( Russia ) World or Third World country ( China/India/Brazil ) and manufacture in a First World ( US/UK/Pre-Expansion EU ) one.Besides , you 're selling largely to party bosses anyway .
The rest are just junk-grade copies.Frankly , ten years from now , game developers will probably wonder whether it 's worth the trouble anymore translating their games for the US market.They will translate for the US and it wo n't be a second-rate job .
End of story .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.
If there is any single market in the world that's worth it, it's the United States of America.FIFY.Other industry has been there, done that.
Car manufacturers all knew after the initial surprises that if they open a factory in China, their blueprints will be copied and another chinese factory somewhere else will produce the same cars for a cheaper price.
Some stayed out of China for that reason.Good reason to stay out of a Second(Russia) World or Third World country(China/India/Brazil) and manufacture in a First World(US/UK/Pre-Expansion EU) one.Besides, you're selling largely to party bosses anyway.
The rest are just junk-grade copies.Frankly, ten years from now, game developers will probably wonder whether it's worth the trouble anymore translating their games for the US market.They will translate for the US and it won't be a second-rate job.
End of story.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30160556</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30289106</id>
	<title>Re:No PVP?</title>
	<author>Rich0</author>
	<datestamp>1259663040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course.  If you pull up your container ship and fill out 389 forms and submit them to the appropriate 37 agencies you could be offloading it in a mere 17 weeks.</p><p>Or, you could pay the guy supervising the dock $10k (with the supervisor distributing it as needed), and be unloaded and headed out to sea in a day or two.</p><p>There is ALWAYS a legitimate way to do business.  The guys taking the bribes wouldn't have it any other way - so that they can point to the official process when people come in questioning the practice of taking bribes.  However, unless you have connections (just another form of a bribe - the ability to grant favors), the official process tends to be ineffective.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course .
If you pull up your container ship and fill out 389 forms and submit them to the appropriate 37 agencies you could be offloading it in a mere 17 weeks.Or , you could pay the guy supervising the dock $ 10k ( with the supervisor distributing it as needed ) , and be unloaded and headed out to sea in a day or two.There is ALWAYS a legitimate way to do business .
The guys taking the bribes would n't have it any other way - so that they can point to the official process when people come in questioning the practice of taking bribes .
However , unless you have connections ( just another form of a bribe - the ability to grant favors ) , the official process tends to be ineffective .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course.
If you pull up your container ship and fill out 389 forms and submit them to the appropriate 37 agencies you could be offloading it in a mere 17 weeks.Or, you could pay the guy supervising the dock $10k (with the supervisor distributing it as needed), and be unloaded and headed out to sea in a day or two.There is ALWAYS a legitimate way to do business.
The guys taking the bribes wouldn't have it any other way - so that they can point to the official process when people come in questioning the practice of taking bribes.
However, unless you have connections (just another form of a bribe - the ability to grant favors), the official process tends to be ineffective.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30161640</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30161634</id>
	<title>Re:Bribes</title>
	<author>commodore64\_love</author>
	<datestamp>1258662720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So it's like our country - tons of laws that are rarely enforced, until the politicians decide to "make an example" of someone and then they use those laws to arrest anyone they desire to arrest, because we're ALL guilty to breaking at least one law.  China's more like us than different.</p><p>BTW, why isn't China bankrupt yet?  Perhaps it's because they watched the Soviet Union communist government fall, and they decided to evolve into a fascist state (privately-owned capitalist companies, but with strict centralized control).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So it 's like our country - tons of laws that are rarely enforced , until the politicians decide to " make an example " of someone and then they use those laws to arrest anyone they desire to arrest , because we 're ALL guilty to breaking at least one law .
China 's more like us than different.BTW , why is n't China bankrupt yet ?
Perhaps it 's because they watched the Soviet Union communist government fall , and they decided to evolve into a fascist state ( privately-owned capitalist companies , but with strict centralized control ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So it's like our country - tons of laws that are rarely enforced, until the politicians decide to "make an example" of someone and then they use those laws to arrest anyone they desire to arrest, because we're ALL guilty to breaking at least one law.
China's more like us than different.BTW, why isn't China bankrupt yet?
Perhaps it's because they watched the Soviet Union communist government fall, and they decided to evolve into a fascist state (privately-owned capitalist companies, but with strict centralized control).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30160866</id>
	<title>Re:Best Plan Ever?</title>
	<author>Reason58</author>
	<datestamp>1258660140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That's a very profitable idea but you might want to <a href="http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com/" title="ibmandtheholocaust.com">consult with IBM</a> [ibmandtheholocaust.com] about how history views those who comply with fascism for monetary return.</p></div><p>I would definitely compare IBM's assistance in identifying, tracking and cataloging people for the Nazis during the Holocaust to PvP restrictions in World of Warcraft.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a very profitable idea but you might want to consult with IBM [ ibmandtheholocaust.com ] about how history views those who comply with fascism for monetary return.I would definitely compare IBM 's assistance in identifying , tracking and cataloging people for the Nazis during the Holocaust to PvP restrictions in World of Warcraft .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a very profitable idea but you might want to consult with IBM [ibmandtheholocaust.com] about how history views those who comply with fascism for monetary return.I would definitely compare IBM's assistance in identifying, tracking and cataloging people for the Nazis during the Holocaust to PvP restrictions in World of Warcraft.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30165990</id>
	<title>Re:Blah blah blah from the government</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258634640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and it is happening in the U.S.</p><p>"Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted &ndash; and you create a nation of law-breakers &ndash; and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be<br>much easier to deal with." Ayn Rand - 'Atlas Shrugged' 1957</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and it is happening in the U.S. " Did you really think we want those laws observed ?
" said Dr. Ferris. " We want them to be broken .
You 'd better get it straight that it 's not a bunch of boy scouts you 're up against... We 're after power and we mean it... There 's no way to rule innocent men .
The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals .
Well , when there are n't enough criminals one makes them .
One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws .
Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens ?
What 's there in that for anyone ?
But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted    and you create a nation of law-breakers    and then you cash in on guilt .
Now that 's the system , Mr. Reardon , that 's the game , and once you understand it , you 'll bemuch easier to deal with .
" Ayn Rand - 'Atlas Shrugged ' 1957</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and it is happening in the U.S."Did you really think we want those laws observed?
" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken.
You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men.
The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals.
Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them.
One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.
Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens?
What's there in that for anyone?
But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt.
Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll bemuch easier to deal with.
" Ayn Rand - 'Atlas Shrugged' 1957</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30164220</id>
	<title>Re:No PVP?</title>
	<author>ae1294</author>
	<datestamp>1258627560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><b>This is NOT flamebait.</b></p><p>Those who think it is are fools as there is no form of incorruptible government. Some are worse than others but even then it depends on who you are and it's very much a mater of perception.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is NOT flamebait.Those who think it is are fools as there is no form of incorruptible government .
Some are worse than others but even then it depends on who you are and it 's very much a mater of perception .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is NOT flamebait.Those who think it is are fools as there is no form of incorruptible government.
Some are worse than others but even then it depends on who you are and it's very much a mater of perception.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30161128</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30160556</id>
	<title>nuts</title>
	<author>Tom</author>
	<datestamp>1258659120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> It's a large market, but is it worth the gamble to game developers?</p></div><p>Are you nuts? It's a market that in a few years will be 5-10 times larger than the US market, taking into account that asian cultures are more open to gaming in general (see Korea for example). If there is <b>any</b> single market in the world that's worth it, it's China.</p><p>Other industry has been there, done that. Car manufacturers all knew after the initial surprises that if they open a factory in China, their blueprints will be copied and another chinese factory somewhere else will produce the same cars for a cheaper price. Some stayed out of China for that reason. Until the chinese began to buy cars. Then, they had no choice but to do it, because they couldn't sell on the chinese market without having a chinese factory. They did it knowing full well the damage they'd sustain.</p><p>Frankly, ten years from now, game developers will probably wonder whether it's worth the trouble anymore translating their games for the US market.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a large market , but is it worth the gamble to game developers ? Are you nuts ?
It 's a market that in a few years will be 5-10 times larger than the US market , taking into account that asian cultures are more open to gaming in general ( see Korea for example ) .
If there is any single market in the world that 's worth it , it 's China.Other industry has been there , done that .
Car manufacturers all knew after the initial surprises that if they open a factory in China , their blueprints will be copied and another chinese factory somewhere else will produce the same cars for a cheaper price .
Some stayed out of China for that reason .
Until the chinese began to buy cars .
Then , they had no choice but to do it , because they could n't sell on the chinese market without having a chinese factory .
They did it knowing full well the damage they 'd sustain.Frankly , ten years from now , game developers will probably wonder whether it 's worth the trouble anymore translating their games for the US market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> It's a large market, but is it worth the gamble to game developers?Are you nuts?
It's a market that in a few years will be 5-10 times larger than the US market, taking into account that asian cultures are more open to gaming in general (see Korea for example).
If there is any single market in the world that's worth it, it's China.Other industry has been there, done that.
Car manufacturers all knew after the initial surprises that if they open a factory in China, their blueprints will be copied and another chinese factory somewhere else will produce the same cars for a cheaper price.
Some stayed out of China for that reason.
Until the chinese began to buy cars.
Then, they had no choice but to do it, because they couldn't sell on the chinese market without having a chinese factory.
They did it knowing full well the damage they'd sustain.Frankly, ten years from now, game developers will probably wonder whether it's worth the trouble anymore translating their games for the US market.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30161452</id>
	<title>Re:nuts</title>
	<author>pwnies</author>
	<datestamp>1258662120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not quite. While the population of China is about 4.3 times the United States', the number of those connected to the internet is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_countries\_by\_broadband\_users" title="wikipedia.org">only slightly higher</a> [wikipedia.org] As it stands, China only has about 12 million more broadband subscribers than the US does. I highly doubt that it's going to increase by a multiple of five in the next few years, especially seeing as the majority of China's population is spread out over its rural areas.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not quite .
While the population of China is about 4.3 times the United States ' , the number of those connected to the internet is only slightly higher [ wikipedia.org ] As it stands , China only has about 12 million more broadband subscribers than the US does .
I highly doubt that it 's going to increase by a multiple of five in the next few years , especially seeing as the majority of China 's population is spread out over its rural areas .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not quite.
While the population of China is about 4.3 times the United States', the number of those connected to the internet is only slightly higher [wikipedia.org] As it stands, China only has about 12 million more broadband subscribers than the US does.
I highly doubt that it's going to increase by a multiple of five in the next few years, especially seeing as the majority of China's population is spread out over its rural areas.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30160556</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30160500</id>
	<title>Good for them!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258659000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I heard they are banning all Wii games with the word "Party" in the title.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I heard they are banning all Wii games with the word " Party " in the title .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I heard they are banning all Wii games with the word "Party" in the title.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30161244</id>
	<title>Blah blah blah from the government</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258661460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I suppose y'all should have figured it out by now, but if not I'll spell it out and use small words.  The Chinese government loves to pass new laws and announce new strategies.  There is usually great fanfare, the press bleating like the contemptible sheep they are (the Chinese state-controlled press bleats too) and great discussions on the net as millions of electrons give their last and break up into neutrinos and photons.  Then, six months later, nobody has heard of the act or law or whatever, because it's not enforced.  This is the "secret" (pretty freaking obvious) of the Chinese government.  <p>They <i>want</i> you to be in violation of <i>something</i>.  With all the legislation, it is impossible to comply with every single law without driving yourself out of business.  Everyone knows it, and the Chinese government (at central, provincial, city, and district levels, which are all different and have little relation with each other) knows it too.  They like knowing that they can shut you down at any time, but are usually content to let things go as long as you play ball.  This kind of ball-play can be laissez faire for years or it can be an "I am altering the deal, pray I don't alter it further" kind of situation.  You really have no way of knowing how it will turn out, and the government likes it like that.  This is why it's so important to have buddies in government who can warn you of upcoming problems or give you some lamb's blood to mark yourself so the inspectors pass you over.  I had one high muckety-muck vice-director of the municipal propaganda ministry hold my product in his hand as if he were weighing it, and said it was about 80\% legal.  I couldn't puzzle it out, either it's legal or illegal, how can legality be a percentage, and a guess at that!  Later I got it...I felt pretty dumb.  It was obvious, only my cultural blinders kept me from seeing it.</p><p>And to those of you who are already hitting "reply" to say "durr, just like my country only my country is much worse", do you have a ministry of culture whose job it is to enhance socialist values?  With lawyers and truncheons if necessary?  You can joke all you like about capitalism taking over but there are plenty of true-believer Mao-worshipping socialists in the government.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I suppose y'all should have figured it out by now , but if not I 'll spell it out and use small words .
The Chinese government loves to pass new laws and announce new strategies .
There is usually great fanfare , the press bleating like the contemptible sheep they are ( the Chinese state-controlled press bleats too ) and great discussions on the net as millions of electrons give their last and break up into neutrinos and photons .
Then , six months later , nobody has heard of the act or law or whatever , because it 's not enforced .
This is the " secret " ( pretty freaking obvious ) of the Chinese government .
They want you to be in violation of something .
With all the legislation , it is impossible to comply with every single law without driving yourself out of business .
Everyone knows it , and the Chinese government ( at central , provincial , city , and district levels , which are all different and have little relation with each other ) knows it too .
They like knowing that they can shut you down at any time , but are usually content to let things go as long as you play ball .
This kind of ball-play can be laissez faire for years or it can be an " I am altering the deal , pray I do n't alter it further " kind of situation .
You really have no way of knowing how it will turn out , and the government likes it like that .
This is why it 's so important to have buddies in government who can warn you of upcoming problems or give you some lamb 's blood to mark yourself so the inspectors pass you over .
I had one high muckety-muck vice-director of the municipal propaganda ministry hold my product in his hand as if he were weighing it , and said it was about 80 \ % legal .
I could n't puzzle it out , either it 's legal or illegal , how can legality be a percentage , and a guess at that !
Later I got it...I felt pretty dumb .
It was obvious , only my cultural blinders kept me from seeing it.And to those of you who are already hitting " reply " to say " durr , just like my country only my country is much worse " , do you have a ministry of culture whose job it is to enhance socialist values ?
With lawyers and truncheons if necessary ?
You can joke all you like about capitalism taking over but there are plenty of true-believer Mao-worshipping socialists in the government .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suppose y'all should have figured it out by now, but if not I'll spell it out and use small words.
The Chinese government loves to pass new laws and announce new strategies.
There is usually great fanfare, the press bleating like the contemptible sheep they are (the Chinese state-controlled press bleats too) and great discussions on the net as millions of electrons give their last and break up into neutrinos and photons.
Then, six months later, nobody has heard of the act or law or whatever, because it's not enforced.
This is the "secret" (pretty freaking obvious) of the Chinese government.
They want you to be in violation of something.
With all the legislation, it is impossible to comply with every single law without driving yourself out of business.
Everyone knows it, and the Chinese government (at central, provincial, city, and district levels, which are all different and have little relation with each other) knows it too.
They like knowing that they can shut you down at any time, but are usually content to let things go as long as you play ball.
This kind of ball-play can be laissez faire for years or it can be an "I am altering the deal, pray I don't alter it further" kind of situation.
You really have no way of knowing how it will turn out, and the government likes it like that.
This is why it's so important to have buddies in government who can warn you of upcoming problems or give you some lamb's blood to mark yourself so the inspectors pass you over.
I had one high muckety-muck vice-director of the municipal propaganda ministry hold my product in his hand as if he were weighing it, and said it was about 80\% legal.
I couldn't puzzle it out, either it's legal or illegal, how can legality be a percentage, and a guess at that!
Later I got it...I felt pretty dumb.
It was obvious, only my cultural blinders kept me from seeing it.And to those of you who are already hitting "reply" to say "durr, just like my country only my country is much worse", do you have a ministry of culture whose job it is to enhance socialist values?
With lawyers and truncheons if necessary?
You can joke all you like about capitalism taking over but there are plenty of true-believer Mao-worshipping socialists in the government.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30162136</id>
	<title>Re:Its not a gamble. It just means you're a sellou</title>
	<author>clem</author>
	<datestamp>1258664340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Any respectable company...</p></div><p>We'll let you know if we see any.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Any respectable company...We 'll let you know if we see any .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Any respectable company...We'll let you know if we see any.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30161148</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30161202</id>
	<title>Bribes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258661280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The funny thing is, by reading Slashdot, one gets the impression that the CCP (and thus the gummint) has clamped down on everything.</p><p>Yet, I know people who travel there regularly and they state, you can get anything you want as long as you know where to go or who to talk to.  Much is readily available in stores which is supposedly banned.</p><p>China may pass laws, but the enforcement is a whole different matter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The funny thing is , by reading Slashdot , one gets the impression that the CCP ( and thus the gummint ) has clamped down on everything.Yet , I know people who travel there regularly and they state , you can get anything you want as long as you know where to go or who to talk to .
Much is readily available in stores which is supposedly banned.China may pass laws , but the enforcement is a whole different matter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The funny thing is, by reading Slashdot, one gets the impression that the CCP (and thus the gummint) has clamped down on everything.Yet, I know people who travel there regularly and they state, you can get anything you want as long as you know where to go or who to talk to.
Much is readily available in stores which is supposedly banned.China may pass laws, but the enforcement is a whole different matter.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30160558</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30160448</id>
	<title>No PVP?</title>
	<author>TheKidWho</author>
	<datestamp>1258658880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What? Why not?  They don't like their people being competitive?</p><p>Just wait until MW3 is made about China...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What ?
Why not ?
They do n't like their people being competitive ? Just wait until MW3 is made about China.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What?
Why not?
They don't like their people being competitive?Just wait until MW3 is made about China...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30164962</id>
	<title>I think I know how</title>
	<author>d34dluk3</author>
	<datestamp>1258630320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>China Enforces Even Stricter Regulation On Games</p></div><p>By "enforce" they mean "beat you to death if you fail to comply."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>China Enforces Even Stricter Regulation On GamesBy " enforce " they mean " beat you to death if you fail to comply .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>China Enforces Even Stricter Regulation On GamesBy "enforce" they mean "beat you to death if you fail to comply.
"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30161128</id>
	<title>Re:No PVP?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258661040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>And that's different with respect to other countries, how?  Good thing businesses are so honest in the US or EU countries that they are never giving bribes nor are their people in power accepting them.  If only China could learn to be as honest, upstanding and incorruptible as the people in the US Congress and people like Obama and Bush they'd just have such a wonderful utopia.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And that 's different with respect to other countries , how ?
Good thing businesses are so honest in the US or EU countries that they are never giving bribes nor are their people in power accepting them .
If only China could learn to be as honest , upstanding and incorruptible as the people in the US Congress and people like Obama and Bush they 'd just have such a wonderful utopia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And that's different with respect to other countries, how?
Good thing businesses are so honest in the US or EU countries that they are never giving bribes nor are their people in power accepting them.
If only China could learn to be as honest, upstanding and incorruptible as the people in the US Congress and people like Obama and Bush they'd just have such a wonderful utopia.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30160558</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1720217.30160900</id>
	<title>Re:Good for them!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258660260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, they don't want kids going around shooting their classmates in schools, not that they'd be dumb enough</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , they do n't want kids going around shooting their classmates in schools , not that they 'd be dumb enough</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, they don't want kids going around shooting their classmates in schools, not that they'd be dumb enough</sentencetext>
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