<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_18_2244218</id>
	<title>Chicago's Camera Network Is Everywhere</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1258542240000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="mailto:DesScorp@GmailBOYSEN.comminusberry" rel="nofollow">DesScorp</a> writes <i>"Over the past few years, the City of Chicago has installed video cameras all over the city. Now the Wall Street Journal reports that the city has not only installed its own cameras for law enforcement purposes, but with the aid of IBM, has built a network that <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704538404574539910412824756.html">possibly links thousands of video surveillance cameras all over Chicago</a>. Possibly, because the city refuses to confirm just how many cameras are in the network. Critics say that Chicago is becoming the city of Big Brother. 'The city links the 1,500 cameras that police have placed in trouble spots with thousands more&mdash;police won't say how many&mdash;that have been installed by other government agencies and the private sector in city buses, businesses, public schools, subway stations, housing projects and elsewhere. Even home owners can contribute camera feeds. Rajiv Shah, an adjunct professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago who has studied the issue, estimates that 15,000 cameras have been connected in what the city calls Operation Virtual Shield, its fiber-optic video-network loop.' There are so many camera feeds coming in that police and officials can't monitor them all, but when alerted to a situation, can zoom in on the area affected. The ACLU has requested a total number of video feeds and cameras, but as of yet, this information has not been supplied."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>DesScorp writes " Over the past few years , the City of Chicago has installed video cameras all over the city .
Now the Wall Street Journal reports that the city has not only installed its own cameras for law enforcement purposes , but with the aid of IBM , has built a network that possibly links thousands of video surveillance cameras all over Chicago .
Possibly , because the city refuses to confirm just how many cameras are in the network .
Critics say that Chicago is becoming the city of Big Brother .
'The city links the 1,500 cameras that police have placed in trouble spots with thousands more    police wo n't say how many    that have been installed by other government agencies and the private sector in city buses , businesses , public schools , subway stations , housing projects and elsewhere .
Even home owners can contribute camera feeds .
Rajiv Shah , an adjunct professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago who has studied the issue , estimates that 15,000 cameras have been connected in what the city calls Operation Virtual Shield , its fiber-optic video-network loop .
' There are so many camera feeds coming in that police and officials ca n't monitor them all , but when alerted to a situation , can zoom in on the area affected .
The ACLU has requested a total number of video feeds and cameras , but as of yet , this information has not been supplied .
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<sentencetext>DesScorp writes "Over the past few years, the City of Chicago has installed video cameras all over the city.
Now the Wall Street Journal reports that the city has not only installed its own cameras for law enforcement purposes, but with the aid of IBM, has built a network that possibly links thousands of video surveillance cameras all over Chicago.
Possibly, because the city refuses to confirm just how many cameras are in the network.
Critics say that Chicago is becoming the city of Big Brother.
'The city links the 1,500 cameras that police have placed in trouble spots with thousands more—police won't say how many—that have been installed by other government agencies and the private sector in city buses, businesses, public schools, subway stations, housing projects and elsewhere.
Even home owners can contribute camera feeds.
Rajiv Shah, an adjunct professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago who has studied the issue, estimates that 15,000 cameras have been connected in what the city calls Operation Virtual Shield, its fiber-optic video-network loop.
' There are so many camera feeds coming in that police and officials can't monitor them all, but when alerted to a situation, can zoom in on the area affected.
The ACLU has requested a total number of video feeds and cameras, but as of yet, this information has not been supplied.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30151494</id>
	<title>IP Cameras will usher in a new frontier</title>
	<author>itsthebin</author>
	<datestamp>1257083820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This explosion in the installation of IP cameras will continue as the technology matures , networks and bandwidth increase and hopefully the cameras become more open source with their embedded operating systems.
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This should be about efficiency , with all law enforcement cameras sending a stream to a large central system that can apply AI and identify faces , licience plates , clothing and even gaits . Public Buses , taxis , police vehicles , council vehicles also should all have cameras feeding live streams back so the central systems can maybe very quickly locate and track a person of interest. The video streams of systems in Hotels , public buildings , schools , universities , shopping centres etc should be able to be instantly requested by locality to emergency response teams so they can have live footage to base their decisions on.
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concerns about the misuse of video streams are valid , but I think software can watch the watchers and flag anomolies to be investigated for breaches.
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my shameless plug<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) and admission of an interest in IP cameras will be to give you a link to <a href="http://www.linux-cam.com/" title="linux-cam.com">http://www.linux-cam.com/</a> [linux-cam.com] where I hope to be able to provide by the end of the year a very competitively priced IP camera platform with ARM 9 CPU with Linux firmware and common interfaces and an image processing chip capable of encoding to H264 of up to 1.3 megapixel 25fps CCD .</htmltext>
<tokenext>This explosion in the installation of IP cameras will continue as the technology matures , networks and bandwidth increase and hopefully the cameras become more open source with their embedded operating systems .
This should be about efficiency , with all law enforcement cameras sending a stream to a large central system that can apply AI and identify faces , licience plates , clothing and even gaits .
Public Buses , taxis , police vehicles , council vehicles also should all have cameras feeding live streams back so the central systems can maybe very quickly locate and track a person of interest .
The video streams of systems in Hotels , public buildings , schools , universities , shopping centres etc should be able to be instantly requested by locality to emergency response teams so they can have live footage to base their decisions on .
concerns about the misuse of video streams are valid , but I think software can watch the watchers and flag anomolies to be investigated for breaches .
my shameless plug : ) and admission of an interest in IP cameras will be to give you a link to http : //www.linux-cam.com/ [ linux-cam.com ] where I hope to be able to provide by the end of the year a very competitively priced IP camera platform with ARM 9 CPU with Linux firmware and common interfaces and an image processing chip capable of encoding to H264 of up to 1.3 megapixel 25fps CCD .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This explosion in the installation of IP cameras will continue as the technology matures , networks and bandwidth increase and hopefully the cameras become more open source with their embedded operating systems.
This should be about efficiency , with all law enforcement cameras sending a stream to a large central system that can apply AI and identify faces , licience plates , clothing and even gaits .
Public Buses , taxis , police vehicles , council vehicles also should all have cameras feeding live streams back so the central systems can maybe very quickly locate and track a person of interest.
The video streams of systems in Hotels , public buildings , schools , universities , shopping centres etc should be able to be instantly requested by locality to emergency response teams so they can have live footage to base their decisions on.
concerns about the misuse of video streams are valid , but I think software can watch the watchers and flag anomolies to be investigated for breaches.
my shameless plug :) and admission of an interest in IP cameras will be to give you a link to http://www.linux-cam.com/ [linux-cam.com] where I hope to be able to provide by the end of the year a very competitively priced IP camera platform with ARM 9 CPU with Linux firmware and common interfaces and an image processing chip capable of encoding to H264 of up to 1.3 megapixel 25fps CCD .</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30153350</id>
	<title>I don't mind so much</title>
	<author>torstenvl</author>
	<datestamp>1257101160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>as long as Alfred is the only one who can use it</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>as long as Alfred is the only one who can use it</tokentext>
<sentencetext>as long as Alfred is the only one who can use it</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30151158</id>
	<title>As a Chicagoan...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257081900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...let me say that this is embarrassing, and I apologize.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...let me say that this is embarrassing , and I apologize .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...let me say that this is embarrassing, and I apologize.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150708</id>
	<title>Big Brother? How?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257079380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think this is making a mountain out of a mole hill. If you want a real taste of Big Brother, attach a monitor playing Fox News to each of the cameras and arrest people who don't watch and applaud with everything said. Instead of going to the police stations, the video feeds would go to the mayors office.</p><p>Big Brother is all about political mind control. Crime cams are about catching felons who steal our cars, kill people, and take our stuff. And usually the same people complaining about Big Brother are the same ones shouting about how the government can't do anything right - yet somehow are able to manage to do the Big Brother thing perfectly and in complete secrecy.</p><p>If you want to run around screaming Big Brother, look at some major corporations as well as the government. Private Industry is much more Big Brother than any government agency I have seen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think this is making a mountain out of a mole hill .
If you want a real taste of Big Brother , attach a monitor playing Fox News to each of the cameras and arrest people who do n't watch and applaud with everything said .
Instead of going to the police stations , the video feeds would go to the mayors office.Big Brother is all about political mind control .
Crime cams are about catching felons who steal our cars , kill people , and take our stuff .
And usually the same people complaining about Big Brother are the same ones shouting about how the government ca n't do anything right - yet somehow are able to manage to do the Big Brother thing perfectly and in complete secrecy.If you want to run around screaming Big Brother , look at some major corporations as well as the government .
Private Industry is much more Big Brother than any government agency I have seen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think this is making a mountain out of a mole hill.
If you want a real taste of Big Brother, attach a monitor playing Fox News to each of the cameras and arrest people who don't watch and applaud with everything said.
Instead of going to the police stations, the video feeds would go to the mayors office.Big Brother is all about political mind control.
Crime cams are about catching felons who steal our cars, kill people, and take our stuff.
And usually the same people complaining about Big Brother are the same ones shouting about how the government can't do anything right - yet somehow are able to manage to do the Big Brother thing perfectly and in complete secrecy.If you want to run around screaming Big Brother, look at some major corporations as well as the government.
Private Industry is much more Big Brother than any government agency I have seen.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30155296</id>
	<title>cool thing</title>
	<author>hesaigo999ca</author>
	<datestamp>1258641660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I actually think this is a good thing, less crime happens when you know more people are watching.<br>This includes people that can use the web to view on their own still images taken every 10 seconds or so and uploaded (Montreal)...this offers also a great way to judge traffic and how to plan your route.</p><p>Unfortunately people always zone into the negative side of things...in this case I see none...it's not like they have cameras in your homes watching you pick your nose...they have cameras in all the city parks, so that should a predator ever catch your kid, they have feeds to look at if you can give them a time frame.</p><p>I think the greater good outweighs the negative by far in this case.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I actually think this is a good thing , less crime happens when you know more people are watching.This includes people that can use the web to view on their own still images taken every 10 seconds or so and uploaded ( Montreal ) ...this offers also a great way to judge traffic and how to plan your route.Unfortunately people always zone into the negative side of things...in this case I see none...it 's not like they have cameras in your homes watching you pick your nose...they have cameras in all the city parks , so that should a predator ever catch your kid , they have feeds to look at if you can give them a time frame.I think the greater good outweighs the negative by far in this case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I actually think this is a good thing, less crime happens when you know more people are watching.This includes people that can use the web to view on their own still images taken every 10 seconds or so and uploaded (Montreal)...this offers also a great way to judge traffic and how to plan your route.Unfortunately people always zone into the negative side of things...in this case I see none...it's not like they have cameras in your homes watching you pick your nose...they have cameras in all the city parks, so that should a predator ever catch your kid, they have feeds to look at if you can give them a time frame.I think the greater good outweighs the negative by far in this case.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30153044</id>
	<title>Re:That's what you get with corrupt democrats...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257097440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>You obviously don't know what you're talking about. Obama was not part of what is known as "Chicago machine politics".</i></p><p>Yeah, right. That's why Obama bought land for his Chicago house from Antoin "Tony" Rezko, at a ridiculously low price, with below market financing. Rezko was later sent to jail for corruption, fraud &amp; bribery.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You obviously do n't know what you 're talking about .
Obama was not part of what is known as " Chicago machine politics " .Yeah , right .
That 's why Obama bought land for his Chicago house from Antoin " Tony " Rezko , at a ridiculously low price , with below market financing .
Rezko was later sent to jail for corruption , fraud &amp; bribery .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You obviously don't know what you're talking about.
Obama was not part of what is known as "Chicago machine politics".Yeah, right.
That's why Obama bought land for his Chicago house from Antoin "Tony" Rezko, at a ridiculously low price, with below market financing.
Rezko was later sent to jail for corruption, fraud &amp; bribery.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30155194</id>
	<title>Re:Not tightly controlled</title>
	<author>cornjones</author>
	<datestamp>1258641000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><em>There's no way having this much surveillance in the hands of the state should be acceptable unless all private citizens also have the same access. If, as Mr. Orozco stated, that all cameras are located in an area where the public has no expectation of privacy, then why shouldn't anyone in the world be able to see any camera at any time?</em></p><p>This is an important point.  The reality is there is going to be more and more surveillance.  The real problem comes when a small group controls that surveillance.  That is an unacceptable amount of power to be in the hands of a few.  Any public camera, funded by public money, must be available to the public.  This could easily be done over the internet</p><p>I can see some security concerns with this issue.  To that end I would consider a 1-2 week delay on the feed.</p><p>We may have to accept that there is no privacy in public spaces but so do the lawmakers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's no way having this much surveillance in the hands of the state should be acceptable unless all private citizens also have the same access .
If , as Mr. Orozco stated , that all cameras are located in an area where the public has no expectation of privacy , then why should n't anyone in the world be able to see any camera at any time ? This is an important point .
The reality is there is going to be more and more surveillance .
The real problem comes when a small group controls that surveillance .
That is an unacceptable amount of power to be in the hands of a few .
Any public camera , funded by public money , must be available to the public .
This could easily be done over the internetI can see some security concerns with this issue .
To that end I would consider a 1-2 week delay on the feed.We may have to accept that there is no privacy in public spaces but so do the lawmakers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's no way having this much surveillance in the hands of the state should be acceptable unless all private citizens also have the same access.
If, as Mr. Orozco stated, that all cameras are located in an area where the public has no expectation of privacy, then why shouldn't anyone in the world be able to see any camera at any time?This is an important point.
The reality is there is going to be more and more surveillance.
The real problem comes when a small group controls that surveillance.
That is an unacceptable amount of power to be in the hands of a few.
Any public camera, funded by public money, must be available to the public.
This could easily be done over the internetI can see some security concerns with this issue.
To that end I would consider a 1-2 week delay on the feed.We may have to accept that there is no privacy in public spaces but so do the lawmakers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150898</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30151228</id>
	<title>Re:How does this compare to London?</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1257082200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>London has had the status of having the most CCTVs per capita for ages. Does anyone have a comparison between the cities?</i></p><p>This whole point of this article is that nobody knows exactly how many cameras the city is looking at, since they won't disclose the number.</p><p>So I'm pretty sure nobody has a comparison between the cities.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>London has had the status of having the most CCTVs per capita for ages .
Does anyone have a comparison between the cities ? This whole point of this article is that nobody knows exactly how many cameras the city is looking at , since they wo n't disclose the number.So I 'm pretty sure nobody has a comparison between the cities .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>London has had the status of having the most CCTVs per capita for ages.
Does anyone have a comparison between the cities?This whole point of this article is that nobody knows exactly how many cameras the city is looking at, since they won't disclose the number.So I'm pretty sure nobody has a comparison between the cities.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150368</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150406</id>
	<title>Watch out UK!</title>
	<author>Das Auge</author>
	<datestamp>1257077760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So you thought you could outdo us on Big Brothering, but we're catching up!</htmltext>
<tokenext>So you thought you could outdo us on Big Brothering , but we 're catching up !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So you thought you could outdo us on Big Brothering, but we're catching up!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30151078</id>
	<title>Re:Monitoring</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257081420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not designed to have operators watch the cameras in real-time.  The IBM system runs video recognition on the streams and indexes the results to create a massive video database.  The database can then be queried to bring up relevant clips, for example "show all video containing red cars with a letter X in their license plate".</p><p>The idea is to eliminate the human effort involved in doing searches through hundreds of thousands of hours of video footage.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not designed to have operators watch the cameras in real-time .
The IBM system runs video recognition on the streams and indexes the results to create a massive video database .
The database can then be queried to bring up relevant clips , for example " show all video containing red cars with a letter X in their license plate " .The idea is to eliminate the human effort involved in doing searches through hundreds of thousands of hours of video footage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not designed to have operators watch the cameras in real-time.
The IBM system runs video recognition on the streams and indexes the results to create a massive video database.
The database can then be queried to bring up relevant clips, for example "show all video containing red cars with a letter X in their license plate".The idea is to eliminate the human effort involved in doing searches through hundreds of thousands of hours of video footage.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150364</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30153034</id>
	<title>Health Care?  Gun Ownership?</title>
	<author>zuctronic</author>
	<datestamp>1257097320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I saw this one devolving into a "trash the Yankees" discussion before it even got rolling...  The way it has turned into a lively and sometimes frustrating parley about health care and gun ownership is why I enjoy hiding behind the first amendment from people shooting at us from the second.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I saw this one devolving into a " trash the Yankees " discussion before it even got rolling... The way it has turned into a lively and sometimes frustrating parley about health care and gun ownership is why I enjoy hiding behind the first amendment from people shooting at us from the second .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I saw this one devolving into a "trash the Yankees" discussion before it even got rolling...  The way it has turned into a lively and sometimes frustrating parley about health care and gun ownership is why I enjoy hiding behind the first amendment from people shooting at us from the second.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30154266</id>
	<title>Chicago, when you secede from the Union...</title>
	<author>SpurtyBurger</author>
	<datestamp>1258628160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>we in the UK will welcome you into the fold.</htmltext>
<tokenext>we in the UK will welcome you into the fold .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>we in the UK will welcome you into the fold.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30151646</id>
	<title>Powerful Technology</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257084780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A few months ago I toured Chicago's OEMC headquarters.  The system automatically identifies threats such as a backpack sitting on the sidewalk more than a few minutes or abnormal vehicle or pedestrian movement.  The cameras are linked on a dedicated fiber optic network.  From my understanding, Chicago is the only city with an isolated purpose built fiber network for emergency and security work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A few months ago I toured Chicago 's OEMC headquarters .
The system automatically identifies threats such as a backpack sitting on the sidewalk more than a few minutes or abnormal vehicle or pedestrian movement .
The cameras are linked on a dedicated fiber optic network .
From my understanding , Chicago is the only city with an isolated purpose built fiber network for emergency and security work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A few months ago I toured Chicago's OEMC headquarters.
The system automatically identifies threats such as a backpack sitting on the sidewalk more than a few minutes or abnormal vehicle or pedestrian movement.
The cameras are linked on a dedicated fiber optic network.
From my understanding, Chicago is the only city with an isolated purpose built fiber network for emergency and security work.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30153746</id>
	<title>Re:If you have NHS, why more health $ for poor?</title>
	<author>Eskarel</author>
	<datestamp>1258662540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, but public hospitals everywhere in the world are generally chronically underfunded. The US doesn't have the problem to the same extent, but that's because they've set up the system so that the poorest third of their population(generally the folks most likely to get sick) can't actually afford to use the service.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , but public hospitals everywhere in the world are generally chronically underfunded .
The US does n't have the problem to the same extent , but that 's because they 've set up the system so that the poorest third of their population ( generally the folks most likely to get sick ) ca n't actually afford to use the service .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, but public hospitals everywhere in the world are generally chronically underfunded.
The US doesn't have the problem to the same extent, but that's because they've set up the system so that the poorest third of their population(generally the folks most likely to get sick) can't actually afford to use the service.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30152210</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30152126</id>
	<title>you're doing it wrong, there are good analytics sw</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257088020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've used Citilog's video analytics sw (<a href="http://www.citilog.com/products/visiopad.html" title="citilog.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.citilog.com/products/visiopad.html</a> [citilog.com]) for identifying incidents and accidents on roadways or bridges and alerting operators so they only don't need to visually monitor each camera feed.  It works well and I'm sure there are others out there to draw upon too.</p><p>It lets you cover a *lot* more cameras with fewer operators so<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... your last job was doing it very wrong.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've used Citilog 's video analytics sw ( http : //www.citilog.com/products/visiopad.html [ citilog.com ] ) for identifying incidents and accidents on roadways or bridges and alerting operators so they only do n't need to visually monitor each camera feed .
It works well and I 'm sure there are others out there to draw upon too.It lets you cover a * lot * more cameras with fewer operators so ... your last job was doing it very wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've used Citilog's video analytics sw (http://www.citilog.com/products/visiopad.html [citilog.com]) for identifying incidents and accidents on roadways or bridges and alerting operators so they only don't need to visually monitor each camera feed.
It works well and I'm sure there are others out there to draw upon too.It lets you cover a *lot* more cameras with fewer operators so ... your last job was doing it very wrong.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30153484</id>
	<title>Bruce Schneier said it best.</title>
	<author>Rexdude</author>
	<datestamp>1257103620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>..in his essay, <a href="http://www.schneier.com/essay-114.html" title="schneier.com">"The eternal value of privacy"</a> [schneier.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>..in his essay , " The eternal value of privacy " [ schneier.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ..in his essay, "The eternal value of privacy" [schneier.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30158382</id>
	<title>Re:So</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1258652580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>They put in new cameras in Pioneer Park (SLC, Utah) and supposedly the drug/gang/prostitution rate dropped dramatically.</i></p><p>Who cares? First, drugs and prostitution shouldn't be crimes in the first place; the laws against them create the very problems they purport to solve. You can't regulate an illegal activity, and your drug use doesn't affect me unless you're stealing to support your habit, in which case there's a real crime -- theift.</p><p>Secondly, the whores and dealers will just go somewhere else. Here in Springfield there was a reported "hooker problem" on 7th near downtown, they cracked down, now they're at other places. Still as many whores, just not on 7th (so tourists, if you want to get laid 7th street isn't the place to look).</p><p>Has it deterred theifts, robberies, assaults, vandalism? If not they're a monumantal waste of money and a monumental invasion of privacy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They put in new cameras in Pioneer Park ( SLC , Utah ) and supposedly the drug/gang/prostitution rate dropped dramatically.Who cares ?
First , drugs and prostitution should n't be crimes in the first place ; the laws against them create the very problems they purport to solve .
You ca n't regulate an illegal activity , and your drug use does n't affect me unless you 're stealing to support your habit , in which case there 's a real crime -- theift.Secondly , the whores and dealers will just go somewhere else .
Here in Springfield there was a reported " hooker problem " on 7th near downtown , they cracked down , now they 're at other places .
Still as many whores , just not on 7th ( so tourists , if you want to get laid 7th street is n't the place to look ) .Has it deterred theifts , robberies , assaults , vandalism ?
If not they 're a monumantal waste of money and a monumental invasion of privacy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They put in new cameras in Pioneer Park (SLC, Utah) and supposedly the drug/gang/prostitution rate dropped dramatically.Who cares?
First, drugs and prostitution shouldn't be crimes in the first place; the laws against them create the very problems they purport to solve.
You can't regulate an illegal activity, and your drug use doesn't affect me unless you're stealing to support your habit, in which case there's a real crime -- theift.Secondly, the whores and dealers will just go somewhere else.
Here in Springfield there was a reported "hooker problem" on 7th near downtown, they cracked down, now they're at other places.
Still as many whores, just not on 7th (so tourists, if you want to get laid 7th street isn't the place to look).Has it deterred theifts, robberies, assaults, vandalism?
If not they're a monumantal waste of money and a monumental invasion of privacy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30153230</id>
	<title>submit a foia request</title>
	<author>roju</author>
	<datestamp>1257099600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Looks like cities in Illinois are covered by the state's Freedom of Information Act. There's nothing stopping anyone from issuing a FOIA request to find out the details.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Looks like cities in Illinois are covered by the state 's Freedom of Information Act .
There 's nothing stopping anyone from issuing a FOIA request to find out the details .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looks like cities in Illinois are covered by the state's Freedom of Information Act.
There's nothing stopping anyone from issuing a FOIA request to find out the details.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30163238</id>
	<title>Re:How does this compare to London?</title>
	<author>swordgeek</author>
	<datestamp>1258624800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>"...incentivizing..."</i></p><p>Ugh. You just lost my support.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" ...incentivizing... " Ugh .
You just lost my support .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"...incentivizing..."Ugh.
You just lost my support.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150516</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150364</id>
	<title>Monitoring</title>
	<author>MichaelSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1257077520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We had about 200 traffic cameras in my last job. Experienced operators would let the video switch cycle between cameras, one per second. If anything strange happened the change in the regular pattern would be immediately clear.</p><p>Going beyond 200 cameras per person would be difficult IMHO and you couldn't pick up small incidents this way. It was mainly for big changes in traffic patterns like a car crash.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We had about 200 traffic cameras in my last job .
Experienced operators would let the video switch cycle between cameras , one per second .
If anything strange happened the change in the regular pattern would be immediately clear.Going beyond 200 cameras per person would be difficult IMHO and you could n't pick up small incidents this way .
It was mainly for big changes in traffic patterns like a car crash .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We had about 200 traffic cameras in my last job.
Experienced operators would let the video switch cycle between cameras, one per second.
If anything strange happened the change in the regular pattern would be immediately clear.Going beyond 200 cameras per person would be difficult IMHO and you couldn't pick up small incidents this way.
It was mainly for big changes in traffic patterns like a car crash.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30159262</id>
	<title>Re:The real infringement on your rights...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258655220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>That is precisely why we have the second amendment.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That is precisely why we have the second amendment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is precisely why we have the second amendment.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150994</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150368</id>
	<title>How does this compare to London?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257077520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>London has had the status of having the most CCTVs per capita for ages. Does anyone have a comparison between the cities?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>London has had the status of having the most CCTVs per capita for ages .
Does anyone have a comparison between the cities ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>London has had the status of having the most CCTVs per capita for ages.
Does anyone have a comparison between the cities?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150404</id>
	<title>Obama is from Chicago</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257077760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I sure he fully supports invading everyone's privacy.</p><p>Oh wait he does, he extended the patriot act and has kept in place all the intrusions of privacy Bush set up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I sure he fully supports invading everyone 's privacy.Oh wait he does , he extended the patriot act and has kept in place all the intrusions of privacy Bush set up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I sure he fully supports invading everyone's privacy.Oh wait he does, he extended the patriot act and has kept in place all the intrusions of privacy Bush set up.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150820</id>
	<title>Scanner Darkly</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257079920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Those pics look like a scene from "A Scanner Darkly"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Those pics look like a scene from " A Scanner Darkly "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those pics look like a scene from "A Scanner Darkly"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30151294</id>
	<title>Re:How does this compare to London?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257082560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Seems repeat-offenses, especially of violent or sexual crimes, is pretty high...</i></p><p>Actually, those are greatly dwarfed by simple burglary.  A few months in jail and now their hands are in another jewelry box.</p><p>People who commit violent crimes tend to be repeat offenders, especially violent sexual crimes, but they're usually put away long enough between crimes to keep their rap sheet fairly short.</p><p>Nonviolent sexual crimes (eg date rape not involving drugs or intentionally getting a girl drunk enough to sleep with your ugly mug, statutory rape of a reasonable age [eg that football player who got arrested for a blowjob from a classmate], incest [usually illegal at all ages]) have some of the lowest recidivism rates around, especially in the cases of the guys who turned 18 a month before their girlfriend.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seems repeat-offenses , especially of violent or sexual crimes , is pretty high...Actually , those are greatly dwarfed by simple burglary .
A few months in jail and now their hands are in another jewelry box.People who commit violent crimes tend to be repeat offenders , especially violent sexual crimes , but they 're usually put away long enough between crimes to keep their rap sheet fairly short.Nonviolent sexual crimes ( eg date rape not involving drugs or intentionally getting a girl drunk enough to sleep with your ugly mug , statutory rape of a reasonable age [ eg that football player who got arrested for a blowjob from a classmate ] , incest [ usually illegal at all ages ] ) have some of the lowest recidivism rates around , especially in the cases of the guys who turned 18 a month before their girlfriend .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seems repeat-offenses, especially of violent or sexual crimes, is pretty high...Actually, those are greatly dwarfed by simple burglary.
A few months in jail and now their hands are in another jewelry box.People who commit violent crimes tend to be repeat offenders, especially violent sexual crimes, but they're usually put away long enough between crimes to keep their rap sheet fairly short.Nonviolent sexual crimes (eg date rape not involving drugs or intentionally getting a girl drunk enough to sleep with your ugly mug, statutory rape of a reasonable age [eg that football player who got arrested for a blowjob from a classmate], incest [usually illegal at all ages]) have some of the lowest recidivism rates around, especially in the cases of the guys who turned 18 a month before their girlfriend.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150608</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30154484</id>
	<title>Re:city of big brother?</title>
	<author>xaxa</author>
	<datestamp>1258631880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>London has been that way for years.</p></div><p>No, it hasn't.</p><p>From the article, "[Chicago] links the 1,500 cameras that police have placed in trouble spots with thousands more--police won't say how many--that have been installed by other government agencies and the private sector in city buses, businesses, public schools, subway stations, housing projects and elsewhere. Even home owners can contribute camera feeds." -- but in London, any part of the government that's installed cameras has to say where they are (<a href="http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/fixed\_cctv\_camera\_locations\_3#incoming-19577" title="whatdotheyknow.com">example</a> [whatdotheyknow.com]), and private sector cameras aren't linked up to anything.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>London has been that way for years.No , it has n't.From the article , " [ Chicago ] links the 1,500 cameras that police have placed in trouble spots with thousands more--police wo n't say how many--that have been installed by other government agencies and the private sector in city buses , businesses , public schools , subway stations , housing projects and elsewhere .
Even home owners can contribute camera feeds .
" -- but in London , any part of the government that 's installed cameras has to say where they are ( example [ whatdotheyknow.com ] ) , and private sector cameras are n't linked up to anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>London has been that way for years.No, it hasn't.From the article, "[Chicago] links the 1,500 cameras that police have placed in trouble spots with thousands more--police won't say how many--that have been installed by other government agencies and the private sector in city buses, businesses, public schools, subway stations, housing projects and elsewhere.
Even home owners can contribute camera feeds.
" -- but in London, any part of the government that's installed cameras has to say where they are (example [whatdotheyknow.com]), and private sector cameras aren't linked up to anything.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150320</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30153128</id>
	<title>Re:city of big brother?</title>
	<author>SEWilco</author>
	<datestamp>1257098460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>London has been that way for years.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Well, yes, but those are Chicago's cameras in London.<br>
I read that Chicago's camera network is everywhere.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>London has been that way for years .
Well , yes , but those are Chicago 's cameras in London .
I read that Chicago 's camera network is everywhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>London has been that way for years.
Well, yes, but those are Chicago's cameras in London.
I read that Chicago's camera network is everywhere.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150320</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150938</id>
	<title>La Jolla, CA (92037) has it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257080580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We have it here.  It is not widely public but we have it.</p><p>The control room is down on prospect behind a stairwell.  If you watch you'll see people darting in and out of a door that seems to go no where.  It's the monitor room for the cameras which are all over the city.</p><p>Obviously it's used to watch the homeless more than anything productive...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We have it here .
It is not widely public but we have it.The control room is down on prospect behind a stairwell .
If you watch you 'll see people darting in and out of a door that seems to go no where .
It 's the monitor room for the cameras which are all over the city.Obviously it 's used to watch the homeless more than anything productive.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have it here.
It is not widely public but we have it.The control room is down on prospect behind a stairwell.
If you watch you'll see people darting in and out of a door that seems to go no where.
It's the monitor room for the cameras which are all over the city.Obviously it's used to watch the homeless more than anything productive...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30153104</id>
	<title>Re:Public Disclosure?</title>
	<author>icebike</author>
	<datestamp>1257098160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How could you possibly?</p><p>They won't even admit to the total number of cameras, let alone where all of them are!!</p><p>Why in a democracy should the number of cameras be a secret?</p><p>In what sane system do local police have SECRETS anyway?  Why should they, other than for witness protection or undercover operations?</p><p>Yet they refuse to say how many cameras they have and where they are.</p><p>Rather than trying to get the footage, try getting the count and location first.</p><p>Good luck with that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How could you possibly ? They wo n't even admit to the total number of cameras , let alone where all of them are !
! Why in a democracy should the number of cameras be a secret ? In what sane system do local police have SECRETS anyway ?
Why should they , other than for witness protection or undercover operations ? Yet they refuse to say how many cameras they have and where they are.Rather than trying to get the footage , try getting the count and location first.Good luck with that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How could you possibly?They won't even admit to the total number of cameras, let alone where all of them are!
!Why in a democracy should the number of cameras be a secret?In what sane system do local police have SECRETS anyway?
Why should they, other than for witness protection or undercover operations?Yet they refuse to say how many cameras they have and where they are.Rather than trying to get the footage, try getting the count and location first.Good luck with that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150412</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30151014</id>
	<title>Rust...</title>
	<author>flyingfsck</author>
	<datestamp>1257081000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Have no fear, the whole system will rust out and degenerate into a massive maintenance head-ache in no time, at which point it will be quietly put out to pasture.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Have no fear , the whole system will rust out and degenerate into a massive maintenance head-ache in no time , at which point it will be quietly put out to pasture .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have no fear, the whole system will rust out and degenerate into a massive maintenance head-ache in no time, at which point it will be quietly put out to pasture.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30153640</id>
	<title>Re:Scary if "The Man" does it...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258660920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Would be illegal in Norway.</p><p>You cant set up a camera monitoring public spaces unless you have a permit. Most permits are denied due to privacy concerns.</p><p>Hell... My college had issues with bicycle-thieves but was denied setting up a camera because the bicycle-parking was right next to a public sidewalk.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would be illegal in Norway.You cant set up a camera monitoring public spaces unless you have a permit .
Most permits are denied due to privacy concerns.Hell... My college had issues with bicycle-thieves but was denied setting up a camera because the bicycle-parking was right next to a public sidewalk .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would be illegal in Norway.You cant set up a camera monitoring public spaces unless you have a permit.
Most permits are denied due to privacy concerns.Hell... My college had issues with bicycle-thieves but was denied setting up a camera because the bicycle-parking was right next to a public sidewalk.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150578</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150740</id>
	<title>Not Surprised</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257079560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Chicago is the CITY OF FAIL.  I mean damn, they couldn't even win an Olympics bid.  Every single person I've known from Chicago has been so full of themselves and hateful toward outsides (especially southerners) when the city doesn't even really offer much that's relevant anymore.  The local music scene is shitty, the crime rate is outrageous, and the the only thing that the city seems to be keeping a tradition of is organized crime and shitty bands.</p><p>Fuck you, Chicago.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Chicago is the CITY OF FAIL .
I mean damn , they could n't even win an Olympics bid .
Every single person I 've known from Chicago has been so full of themselves and hateful toward outsides ( especially southerners ) when the city does n't even really offer much that 's relevant anymore .
The local music scene is shitty , the crime rate is outrageous , and the the only thing that the city seems to be keeping a tradition of is organized crime and shitty bands.Fuck you , Chicago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Chicago is the CITY OF FAIL.
I mean damn, they couldn't even win an Olympics bid.
Every single person I've known from Chicago has been so full of themselves and hateful toward outsides (especially southerners) when the city doesn't even really offer much that's relevant anymore.
The local music scene is shitty, the crime rate is outrageous, and the the only thing that the city seems to be keeping a tradition of is organized crime and shitty bands.Fuck you, Chicago.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150412</id>
	<title>Public Disclosure?</title>
	<author>MarkvW</author>
	<datestamp>1257077820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder if you could get the raw footage in a public disclosure request.  A lot of fun mischief could be had with that data.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if you could get the raw footage in a public disclosure request .
A lot of fun mischief could be had with that data .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder if you could get the raw footage in a public disclosure request.
A lot of fun mischief could be had with that data.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30159844</id>
	<title>Re:city of big brother?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258657020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Baltimore already has a buncha cameras like that as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Baltimore already has a buncha cameras like that as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Baltimore already has a buncha cameras like that as well.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150320</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30168860</id>
	<title>The Dark Knight wouldnt allow this to happen again</title>
	<author>mykos</author>
	<datestamp>1258749840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Even Batman thought that a network monitoring everyone at all times was evil.  His R&amp;D guy threatened to resign over it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even Batman thought that a network monitoring everyone at all times was evil .
His R&amp;D guy threatened to resign over it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even Batman thought that a network monitoring everyone at all times was evil.
His R&amp;D guy threatened to resign over it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30152964</id>
	<title>Re:city of big brother?</title>
	<author>nacturation</author>
	<datestamp>1257096300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Like its partner city Philadelphia, Chicago is the City of Big Brotherly Love.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Like its partner city Philadelphia , Chicago is the City of Big Brotherly Love .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like its partner city Philadelphia, Chicago is the City of Big Brotherly Love.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150320</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30152624</id>
	<title>Because...</title>
	<author>Jawn98685</author>
	<datestamp>1257092700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you don't let us watch everything that everyone does, the terrorists win. Oh, and so does "law and order". We're just protecting you. Keeping you safe from terrorists, violent criminals, non-violent criminals, politically undesirable persons and groups...

<br> <br>
Ben Franklin is spinning in his grave for sure.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you do n't let us watch everything that everyone does , the terrorists win .
Oh , and so does " law and order " .
We 're just protecting you .
Keeping you safe from terrorists , violent criminals , non-violent criminals , politically undesirable persons and groups.. . Ben Franklin is spinning in his grave for sure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you don't let us watch everything that everyone does, the terrorists win.
Oh, and so does "law and order".
We're just protecting you.
Keeping you safe from terrorists, violent criminals, non-violent criminals, politically undesirable persons and groups...

 
Ben Franklin is spinning in his grave for sure.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30152778</id>
	<title>This is excatly what we are doing in China.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257094200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Many company are build video surveillance systems that could connect thousands of cameras.</p><p>When my company starts, my boss told he want a system that could be as large as the PSTN.</p><p>But it's really a very competitive market in China.</p><p>After a year, we still haven't made any money yet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Many company are build video surveillance systems that could connect thousands of cameras.When my company starts , my boss told he want a system that could be as large as the PSTN.But it 's really a very competitive market in China.After a year , we still have n't made any money yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many company are build video surveillance systems that could connect thousands of cameras.When my company starts, my boss told he want a system that could be as large as the PSTN.But it's really a very competitive market in China.After a year, we still haven't made any money yet.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30160732</id>
	<title>Leading to prosecutions for the new felony</title>
	<author>ThatsNotPudding</author>
	<datestamp>1258659720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Living While Black.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Living While Black .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Living While Black.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30154704</id>
	<title>speaking of privacy...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258635480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've always wondered this about Slashdot -- in a community that values openness and promotes a right to personal privacy why is someone posting who wishes to remain anonymous labeled a coward???</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've always wondered this about Slashdot -- in a community that values openness and promotes a right to personal privacy why is someone posting who wishes to remain anonymous labeled a coward ? ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've always wondered this about Slashdot -- in a community that values openness and promotes a right to personal privacy why is someone posting who wishes to remain anonymous labeled a coward??
?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30152576</id>
	<title>Quantitative results from the London experience</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257092280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Admitted by the London police in <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6082530/1000-CCTV-cameras-to-solve-just-one-crime-Met-Police-admits.html" title="telegraph.co.uk" rel="nofollow">this article</a> [telegraph.co.uk]: the extensive monitoring (each person can expect to be filmed ~300 times during a normal day) helps solve <i>less than one crime/(1000 cameras*year)</i>.<br>

It's not worth giving up your privacy, and spending the money that could be spent on putting more policemen on the street, for such an ineffective program.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Admitted by the London police in this article [ telegraph.co.uk ] : the extensive monitoring ( each person can expect to be filmed ~ 300 times during a normal day ) helps solve less than one crime/ ( 1000 cameras * year ) .
It 's not worth giving up your privacy , and spending the money that could be spent on putting more policemen on the street , for such an ineffective program .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Admitted by the London police in this article [telegraph.co.uk]: the extensive monitoring (each person can expect to be filmed ~300 times during a normal day) helps solve less than one crime/(1000 cameras*year).
It's not worth giving up your privacy, and spending the money that could be spent on putting more policemen on the street, for such an ineffective program.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150646</id>
	<title>In related news...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257078960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/11/rash-of-violence-spreads-throughout-city-overnight-after-stop-the-violence-day.html</p><p>Good thing all those cameras lower the violent crime rate.  Right?  Right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/11/rash-of-violence-spreads-throughout-city-overnight-after-stop-the-violence-day.htmlGood thing all those cameras lower the violent crime rate .
Right ? Right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/11/rash-of-violence-spreads-throughout-city-overnight-after-stop-the-violence-day.htmlGood thing all those cameras lower the violent crime rate.
Right?  Right?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150866</id>
	<title>People Tracking</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257080160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not just the street corner cameras and private cameras that are linked to the system, it also includes the red light traffic cameras, which are popping up everywhere.</p><p>I work for a utility company in Chicago and I attended a presentation about a year and a half ago where the Office of Emergency Management and Communication (OEMC) was bragging about what they can do with their camera network. They can already track a license plate from camera to camera throughout the city, and within the next year or so (if not already) they&rsquo;ll be able to do the same with facial recognition.</p><p>Have you parked recently in front of the Willis Tower (formerly Sears Tower) for more than a few minutes? If so, the OEMC is keeping an eye on your car.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not just the street corner cameras and private cameras that are linked to the system , it also includes the red light traffic cameras , which are popping up everywhere.I work for a utility company in Chicago and I attended a presentation about a year and a half ago where the Office of Emergency Management and Communication ( OEMC ) was bragging about what they can do with their camera network .
They can already track a license plate from camera to camera throughout the city , and within the next year or so ( if not already ) they    ll be able to do the same with facial recognition.Have you parked recently in front of the Willis Tower ( formerly Sears Tower ) for more than a few minutes ?
If so , the OEMC is keeping an eye on your car .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not just the street corner cameras and private cameras that are linked to the system, it also includes the red light traffic cameras, which are popping up everywhere.I work for a utility company in Chicago and I attended a presentation about a year and a half ago where the Office of Emergency Management and Communication (OEMC) was bragging about what they can do with their camera network.
They can already track a license plate from camera to camera throughout the city, and within the next year or so (if not already) they’ll be able to do the same with facial recognition.Have you parked recently in front of the Willis Tower (formerly Sears Tower) for more than a few minutes?
If so, the OEMC is keeping an eye on your car.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30152510</id>
	<title>Re:Crap</title>
	<author>maharb</author>
	<datestamp>1257091440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Funny at first until you realize how many laws the average person breaks a day without any harm being done to anyone or anything.  I know I have sped, jay walked, turned into a non-adjacent lane, carried beer on a dry campus, carried explosives on a college campus (fireworks and beer in the trunk of my car) and maybe more just today.  Many laws are unreasonable in certain contexts and we don't try and get the laws repealed because they are often used to convict people that were causing a problem but not necessarily because of the law they were violating.</p><p>For instance carrying beer on campus doesn't harm anyone: drinking it, getting drunk, and being an asshole does though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny at first until you realize how many laws the average person breaks a day without any harm being done to anyone or anything .
I know I have sped , jay walked , turned into a non-adjacent lane , carried beer on a dry campus , carried explosives on a college campus ( fireworks and beer in the trunk of my car ) and maybe more just today .
Many laws are unreasonable in certain contexts and we do n't try and get the laws repealed because they are often used to convict people that were causing a problem but not necessarily because of the law they were violating.For instance carrying beer on campus does n't harm anyone : drinking it , getting drunk , and being an asshole does though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny at first until you realize how many laws the average person breaks a day without any harm being done to anyone or anything.
I know I have sped, jay walked, turned into a non-adjacent lane, carried beer on a dry campus, carried explosives on a college campus (fireworks and beer in the trunk of my car) and maybe more just today.
Many laws are unreasonable in certain contexts and we don't try and get the laws repealed because they are often used to convict people that were causing a problem but not necessarily because of the law they were violating.For instance carrying beer on campus doesn't harm anyone: drinking it, getting drunk, and being an asshole does though.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150700</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150384</id>
	<title>Criminal Prosecution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257077640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think this is pretty great, seeing how it can aid in the quick prosecution of criminals, provide evidence for a whole array of crimes... and all that jazz.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think this is pretty great , seeing how it can aid in the quick prosecution of criminals , provide evidence for a whole array of crimes... and all that jazz .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think this is pretty great, seeing how it can aid in the quick prosecution of criminals, provide evidence for a whole array of crimes... and all that jazz.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30151632</id>
	<title>Re:I formally request access to the logs...</title>
	<author>jamesh</author>
	<datestamp>1257084720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Business plan:</p><p>1. Find out where a camera are pointed<br>2. Perform some antic in front of the camera that no camera watching monkey could resist putting on youtube (eg "Man getting hit by football in the groin")<br>3. When it appears on youtube, take them to court<br>4. Profit!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Business plan : 1 .
Find out where a camera are pointed2 .
Perform some antic in front of the camera that no camera watching monkey could resist putting on youtube ( eg " Man getting hit by football in the groin " ) 3 .
When it appears on youtube , take them to court4 .
Profit !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Business plan:1.
Find out where a camera are pointed2.
Perform some antic in front of the camera that no camera watching monkey could resist putting on youtube (eg "Man getting hit by football in the groin")3.
When it appears on youtube, take them to court4.
Profit!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150448</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150448</id>
	<title>I formally request access to the logs...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257078000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Mr. Orozco dismisses worries about privacy abuse. The department logs in all users and can monitor what they are doing, he said, assuring accountability. He also said access to the command center is tightly controlled. He declined to discuss specifics of who is allowed inside the center.</p></div><p>Awesome!  In that case, I formally request access to the logs.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mr. Orozco dismisses worries about privacy abuse .
The department logs in all users and can monitor what they are doing , he said , assuring accountability .
He also said access to the command center is tightly controlled .
He declined to discuss specifics of who is allowed inside the center.Awesome !
In that case , I formally request access to the logs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mr. Orozco dismisses worries about privacy abuse.
The department logs in all users and can monitor what they are doing, he said, assuring accountability.
He also said access to the command center is tightly controlled.
He declined to discuss specifics of who is allowed inside the center.Awesome!
In that case, I formally request access to the logs.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150996</id>
	<title>I'm not quite sure what to say...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257080940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a resident of the city this is terrifying.</p><p>With a Mayor who basically bulldozed an airport in the middle of the night, who sells publics assets off with no notice, and who is about as crooked as you can get as well as a police force that has a brutal record of torture, harassment, and assholery, this is scary.</p><p>I admit to getting a red light camera ticket last night, but now not only could they do this but they could send tickets for all sorts of minor offenses. If I decide to do a U-turn? Ticket. I J-walk? Ticket. I pick my butt in public? Indecency! A ticket. I understand the desire to try and curb crime, but this is ridiculous. The crime will just move to other uncovered areas, which are currently the safe ones!</p><p>I just mentioned to my girlfriend that, despite my work being concentrated in Chicagoland, we might consider a move to another city in a couple years. The city budget is collapsing, the government is horribly backwards, hell the public transit can't even stay in business. Does the city want to squeeze even MORE people out of Cook County into the suburbs?</p><p>I suppose some people will view this as keeping them safe, but I worry that it will be used not only for that but to track people that King Daley doesn't like (in fact it's a guarantee).</p><p>This about seals it. It might just be time to pack up and go, as much as I love Chicago.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a resident of the city this is terrifying.With a Mayor who basically bulldozed an airport in the middle of the night , who sells publics assets off with no notice , and who is about as crooked as you can get as well as a police force that has a brutal record of torture , harassment , and assholery , this is scary.I admit to getting a red light camera ticket last night , but now not only could they do this but they could send tickets for all sorts of minor offenses .
If I decide to do a U-turn ?
Ticket. I J-walk ?
Ticket. I pick my butt in public ?
Indecency ! A ticket .
I understand the desire to try and curb crime , but this is ridiculous .
The crime will just move to other uncovered areas , which are currently the safe ones ! I just mentioned to my girlfriend that , despite my work being concentrated in Chicagoland , we might consider a move to another city in a couple years .
The city budget is collapsing , the government is horribly backwards , hell the public transit ca n't even stay in business .
Does the city want to squeeze even MORE people out of Cook County into the suburbs ? I suppose some people will view this as keeping them safe , but I worry that it will be used not only for that but to track people that King Daley does n't like ( in fact it 's a guarantee ) .This about seals it .
It might just be time to pack up and go , as much as I love Chicago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a resident of the city this is terrifying.With a Mayor who basically bulldozed an airport in the middle of the night, who sells publics assets off with no notice, and who is about as crooked as you can get as well as a police force that has a brutal record of torture, harassment, and assholery, this is scary.I admit to getting a red light camera ticket last night, but now not only could they do this but they could send tickets for all sorts of minor offenses.
If I decide to do a U-turn?
Ticket. I J-walk?
Ticket. I pick my butt in public?
Indecency! A ticket.
I understand the desire to try and curb crime, but this is ridiculous.
The crime will just move to other uncovered areas, which are currently the safe ones!I just mentioned to my girlfriend that, despite my work being concentrated in Chicagoland, we might consider a move to another city in a couple years.
The city budget is collapsing, the government is horribly backwards, hell the public transit can't even stay in business.
Does the city want to squeeze even MORE people out of Cook County into the suburbs?I suppose some people will view this as keeping them safe, but I worry that it will be used not only for that but to track people that King Daley doesn't like (in fact it's a guarantee).This about seals it.
It might just be time to pack up and go, as much as I love Chicago.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150804</id>
	<title>Re:How does this compare to London?</title>
	<author>StikyPad</author>
	<datestamp>1257079860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Smart" is <a href="http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm\_56314.html" title="ananova.com">not a desired quality</a> [ananova.com] in police officers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Smart " is not a desired quality [ ananova.com ] in police officers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Smart" is not a desired quality [ananova.com] in police officers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150516</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30152210</id>
	<title>If you have NHS, why more health $ for poor?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257088620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why would you need to spend more money on health benefits for the poor if you have the National Health Service?  Doesn't that provide universal health care regardless of income?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would you need to spend more money on health benefits for the poor if you have the National Health Service ?
Does n't that provide universal health care regardless of income ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would you need to spend more money on health benefits for the poor if you have the National Health Service?
Doesn't that provide universal health care regardless of income?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150516</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30154576</id>
	<title>Re:If you have NHS, why more health $ for poor?</title>
	<author>xaxa</author>
	<datestamp>1258633380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why would you need to spend more money on health benefits for the poor if you have the National Health Service?  Doesn't that provide universal health care regardless of income?</p></div><p>The person you replied to is probably American (they wrote "incentivizing", a Brit would have written "encouraging"). They are suggesting these improvements for Chicago.</p><p>But yes, spending more on the NHS benefits everyone. In the upcoming election in the UK it's likely all the parties will suggest how they'll do this.</p><p>The Conservative Party's policy is <a href="http://www.conservatives.com/Campaigns/Stop\_Browns\_NHS\_Cuts.aspx" title="conservatives.com">here</a> [conservatives.com] and <a href="http://www.conservatives.com/Policy/Where\_we\_stand/Health.aspx" title="conservatives.com">here</a> [conservatives.com], for instance. (And yes, that's not a joke, they really do say they'll increase health spending).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would you need to spend more money on health benefits for the poor if you have the National Health Service ?
Does n't that provide universal health care regardless of income ? The person you replied to is probably American ( they wrote " incentivizing " , a Brit would have written " encouraging " ) .
They are suggesting these improvements for Chicago.But yes , spending more on the NHS benefits everyone .
In the upcoming election in the UK it 's likely all the parties will suggest how they 'll do this.The Conservative Party 's policy is here [ conservatives.com ] and here [ conservatives.com ] , for instance .
( And yes , that 's not a joke , they really do say they 'll increase health spending ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would you need to spend more money on health benefits for the poor if you have the National Health Service?
Doesn't that provide universal health care regardless of income?The person you replied to is probably American (they wrote "incentivizing", a Brit would have written "encouraging").
They are suggesting these improvements for Chicago.But yes, spending more on the NHS benefits everyone.
In the upcoming election in the UK it's likely all the parties will suggest how they'll do this.The Conservative Party's policy is here [conservatives.com] and here [conservatives.com], for instance.
(And yes, that's not a joke, they really do say they'll increase health spending).
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30152210</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30156310</id>
	<title>Formula for oppression</title>
	<author>Nerdposeur</author>
	<datestamp>1258646100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1) Put cameras and microphones everywhere, for our "protection"<br>2) Don't share the video/audio outside your circle of power<br>3) Train computers to recognize your enemies<br>4) Know their secrets and whereabouts<br>5) Blackmail, murder and kidnap at will</p><p>If it doesn't happen under the current administration, it could happen under another.</p><p>If it doesn't happen in America, it will happen elsewhere (if it hasn't already).</p><p>This technology is a Pandora's box.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) Put cameras and microphones everywhere , for our " protection " 2 ) Do n't share the video/audio outside your circle of power3 ) Train computers to recognize your enemies4 ) Know their secrets and whereabouts5 ) Blackmail , murder and kidnap at willIf it does n't happen under the current administration , it could happen under another.If it does n't happen in America , it will happen elsewhere ( if it has n't already ) .This technology is a Pandora 's box .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1) Put cameras and microphones everywhere, for our "protection"2) Don't share the video/audio outside your circle of power3) Train computers to recognize your enemies4) Know their secrets and whereabouts5) Blackmail, murder and kidnap at willIf it doesn't happen under the current administration, it could happen under another.If it doesn't happen in America, it will happen elsewhere (if it hasn't already).This technology is a Pandora's box.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30152602</id>
	<title>Christmas gifts,look,nike air max jordan shoes,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257092520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
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Your satisfaction is our main pursue.
You can find the best products from us, meeting your different needs.
Ladies and Gentlemen weicome to my coolforsale.com.Here,there are the most fashion products .
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150578</id>
	<title>Scary if "The Man" does it...</title>
	<author>Interoperable</author>
	<datestamp>1257078600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>*awesome* if Google does it; video will be streamed live to overlay on Google Earth and Street View images. It will happen. Privately owned cameras streaming feeds of public spaces (or privately owned spaces owned by the same organization as the feed) are legal and many exist in the form of security cameras, webcams. The technology to do it <a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17854-live-video-makes-google-earth-cities-bustle.html" title="newscientist.com">is almost available</a> [newscientist.com] and if it can be done it will be done. Soon (many decades) all public space in major urban centers will be visible to anyone, anytime. Okay, maybe *awesome* and scary.</htmltext>
<tokenext>* awesome * if Google does it ; video will be streamed live to overlay on Google Earth and Street View images .
It will happen .
Privately owned cameras streaming feeds of public spaces ( or privately owned spaces owned by the same organization as the feed ) are legal and many exist in the form of security cameras , webcams .
The technology to do it is almost available [ newscientist.com ] and if it can be done it will be done .
Soon ( many decades ) all public space in major urban centers will be visible to anyone , anytime .
Okay , maybe * awesome * and scary .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>*awesome* if Google does it; video will be streamed live to overlay on Google Earth and Street View images.
It will happen.
Privately owned cameras streaming feeds of public spaces (or privately owned spaces owned by the same organization as the feed) are legal and many exist in the form of security cameras, webcams.
The technology to do it is almost available [newscientist.com] and if it can be done it will be done.
Soon (many decades) all public space in major urban centers will be visible to anyone, anytime.
Okay, maybe *awesome* and scary.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150330</id>
	<title>Good</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257077400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe the amount of rats that infest the city will finally go down. And I'm not talking about rodentia.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe the amount of rats that infest the city will finally go down .
And I 'm not talking about rodentia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe the amount of rats that infest the city will finally go down.
And I'm not talking about rodentia.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150898</id>
	<title>Not tightly controlled</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257080400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've actually been inside of the NOC where all of the camera feeds come in.  There are random terminal sitting around that anyone with NOC access can just walk over and use.  There is no log in, or they were already logged in and left logged in all the time.</p><p>The emergency response HQ in Chicago is just what you'd expect, full of arcane, insane, nonsensical rules and procedures that are so bad if you fell down the rabbit hole you'd be less confused.</p><p>There's no way having this much surveillance in the hands of the state should be acceptable unless all private citizens also have the same access.  If, as Mr. Orozco stated, that all cameras are located in an area where the public has no expectation of privacy, then why shouldn't anyone in the world be able to see any camera at any time?</p><p>The whole city government in Chicago is nothing but a bunch of bottom feeding tax sucking bureauRats lying through their teeth on a daily basis.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've actually been inside of the NOC where all of the camera feeds come in .
There are random terminal sitting around that anyone with NOC access can just walk over and use .
There is no log in , or they were already logged in and left logged in all the time.The emergency response HQ in Chicago is just what you 'd expect , full of arcane , insane , nonsensical rules and procedures that are so bad if you fell down the rabbit hole you 'd be less confused.There 's no way having this much surveillance in the hands of the state should be acceptable unless all private citizens also have the same access .
If , as Mr. Orozco stated , that all cameras are located in an area where the public has no expectation of privacy , then why should n't anyone in the world be able to see any camera at any time ? The whole city government in Chicago is nothing but a bunch of bottom feeding tax sucking bureauRats lying through their teeth on a daily basis .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've actually been inside of the NOC where all of the camera feeds come in.
There are random terminal sitting around that anyone with NOC access can just walk over and use.
There is no log in, or they were already logged in and left logged in all the time.The emergency response HQ in Chicago is just what you'd expect, full of arcane, insane, nonsensical rules and procedures that are so bad if you fell down the rabbit hole you'd be less confused.There's no way having this much surveillance in the hands of the state should be acceptable unless all private citizens also have the same access.
If, as Mr. Orozco stated, that all cameras are located in an area where the public has no expectation of privacy, then why shouldn't anyone in the world be able to see any camera at any time?The whole city government in Chicago is nothing but a bunch of bottom feeding tax sucking bureauRats lying through their teeth on a daily basis.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150320</id>
	<title>city of big brother?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257077340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>London has been that way for years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>London has been that way for years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>London has been that way for years.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150608</id>
	<title>Re:How does this compare to London?</title>
	<author>CannonballHead</author>
	<datestamp>1257078780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>vocational rehabilitation of offenders.</p></div><p>I was with you until there.  I'm not sure some offenders actually want to be rehabilitated.  Seems repeat-offenses, especially of violent or sexual crimes, is pretty high...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>vocational rehabilitation of offenders.I was with you until there .
I 'm not sure some offenders actually want to be rehabilitated .
Seems repeat-offenses , especially of violent or sexual crimes , is pretty high.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>vocational rehabilitation of offenders.I was with you until there.
I'm not sure some offenders actually want to be rehabilitated.
Seems repeat-offenses, especially of violent or sexual crimes, is pretty high...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30154478</id>
	<title>NHS is mainly curative, other health factors</title>
	<author>fantomas</author>
	<datestamp>1258631820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>"Why would you need to spend more money on health benefits for the poor if you have the National Health Service? Doesn't that provide universal health care regardless of income?"</i> </p><p>A lot of what the NHS does is curative medicine, the first time most of us come into contact with it is because we're not well (illness, accident, etc). I don't have the information to hand (and I'd welcome more info and references) but my suspicion is that you'll find poorer people are more likely to encounter health risks, struggle with health challenges etc in their daily life than more wealthy people, hence the approach in many social-leaning countries to give additional  support/benefits to the poor. Richer folk can buy their way into continued good health while folk at the bottom of the economic pile struggle as they have less disposable income to afford health related purchases, so need the NHS more often?</p><p>If you are on vey low income, you have much less disposable income. Therefore help in paying for health related additional resources can help individuals and families afford things that would benefit their family but they could survive without. For example: if you're on limited income, you can feed your kids on really cheap burgers and white bread and processed breakfast cereal, but child allowance (cash allocation per child on a regular basis) might give you the opportunity to give them a more varied and better diet - meaning they will be more healthy and less likely to get illnesses that later need to be treated by the National Health Service, when the child gets diabetes or obesity related illnesses. Or providing low income old folk with financial support to help them improve their home with insulation in winter, or handrails to make going up stairs when they are not so good at walking, will reduce the number of admissions to hospital in winter with cold related illnesses and also fall-related accidents.</p><p>All of the above can be dealt with through your own finances if you're wealthy but might be impossible financial challenges if you're poor for any reason. If you can stop people having illnesses or accidents in the first place then in the long term it will work out cheaper and less cost to the NHS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Why would you need to spend more money on health benefits for the poor if you have the National Health Service ?
Does n't that provide universal health care regardless of income ?
" A lot of what the NHS does is curative medicine , the first time most of us come into contact with it is because we 're not well ( illness , accident , etc ) .
I do n't have the information to hand ( and I 'd welcome more info and references ) but my suspicion is that you 'll find poorer people are more likely to encounter health risks , struggle with health challenges etc in their daily life than more wealthy people , hence the approach in many social-leaning countries to give additional support/benefits to the poor .
Richer folk can buy their way into continued good health while folk at the bottom of the economic pile struggle as they have less disposable income to afford health related purchases , so need the NHS more often ? If you are on vey low income , you have much less disposable income .
Therefore help in paying for health related additional resources can help individuals and families afford things that would benefit their family but they could survive without .
For example : if you 're on limited income , you can feed your kids on really cheap burgers and white bread and processed breakfast cereal , but child allowance ( cash allocation per child on a regular basis ) might give you the opportunity to give them a more varied and better diet - meaning they will be more healthy and less likely to get illnesses that later need to be treated by the National Health Service , when the child gets diabetes or obesity related illnesses .
Or providing low income old folk with financial support to help them improve their home with insulation in winter , or handrails to make going up stairs when they are not so good at walking , will reduce the number of admissions to hospital in winter with cold related illnesses and also fall-related accidents.All of the above can be dealt with through your own finances if you 're wealthy but might be impossible financial challenges if you 're poor for any reason .
If you can stop people having illnesses or accidents in the first place then in the long term it will work out cheaper and less cost to the NHS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Why would you need to spend more money on health benefits for the poor if you have the National Health Service?
Doesn't that provide universal health care regardless of income?
" A lot of what the NHS does is curative medicine, the first time most of us come into contact with it is because we're not well (illness, accident, etc).
I don't have the information to hand (and I'd welcome more info and references) but my suspicion is that you'll find poorer people are more likely to encounter health risks, struggle with health challenges etc in their daily life than more wealthy people, hence the approach in many social-leaning countries to give additional  support/benefits to the poor.
Richer folk can buy their way into continued good health while folk at the bottom of the economic pile struggle as they have less disposable income to afford health related purchases, so need the NHS more often?If you are on vey low income, you have much less disposable income.
Therefore help in paying for health related additional resources can help individuals and families afford things that would benefit their family but they could survive without.
For example: if you're on limited income, you can feed your kids on really cheap burgers and white bread and processed breakfast cereal, but child allowance (cash allocation per child on a regular basis) might give you the opportunity to give them a more varied and better diet - meaning they will be more healthy and less likely to get illnesses that later need to be treated by the National Health Service, when the child gets diabetes or obesity related illnesses.
Or providing low income old folk with financial support to help them improve their home with insulation in winter, or handrails to make going up stairs when they are not so good at walking, will reduce the number of admissions to hospital in winter with cold related illnesses and also fall-related accidents.All of the above can be dealt with through your own finances if you're wealthy but might be impossible financial challenges if you're poor for any reason.
If you can stop people having illnesses or accidents in the first place then in the long term it will work out cheaper and less cost to the NHS.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30152378</id>
	<title>Not a problem</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257089880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The <a href="http://carlosmiller.com/2008/10/24/chicago-police-arrest-photog-delete-images-and-refuse-to-return-camera/" title="carlosmiller.com" rel="nofollow">police will just seize all of the cameras</a> [carlosmiller.com].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The police will just seize all of the cameras [ carlosmiller.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The police will just seize all of the cameras [carlosmiller.com].</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30151114</id>
	<title>ACLU is bad?</title>
	<author>s800</author>
	<datestamp>1257081660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Some republican wanna jump in and tell us how the ACLU is the source of all that is anti-American?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some republican wan na jump in and tell us how the ACLU is the source of all that is anti-American ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some republican wanna jump in and tell us how the ACLU is the source of all that is anti-American?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30155616</id>
	<title>No one is reminded of Eagle Eye?</title>
	<author>dmmiller2k</author>
	<datestamp>1258643340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not one of the other 246 comments (at this moment) has made reference to the movie, "<a href="http://www.eagleeyemovie.com/" title="eagleeyemovie.com" rel="nofollow">Eagle Eye</a> [eagleeyemovie.com]"?

</p><p>What kind of techno-dweebs are we in here, anyway?

</p><p> <i>Are we not men?  We are Devo!</i></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not one of the other 246 comments ( at this moment ) has made reference to the movie , " Eagle Eye [ eagleeyemovie.com ] " ?
What kind of techno-dweebs are we in here , anyway ?
Are we not men ?
We are Devo !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not one of the other 246 comments (at this moment) has made reference to the movie, "Eagle Eye [eagleeyemovie.com]"?
What kind of techno-dweebs are we in here, anyway?
Are we not men?
We are Devo!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30151150</id>
	<title>Beware the basilisk...</title>
	<author>otis wildflower</author>
	<datestamp>1257081840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.goldengryphon.com/Stross-Concrete.html" title="goldengryphon.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.goldengryphon.com/Stross-Concrete.html</a> [goldengryphon.com]</p><p>Share and enjoy!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.goldengryphon.com/Stross-Concrete.html [ goldengryphon.com ] Share and enjoy !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.goldengryphon.com/Stross-Concrete.html [goldengryphon.com]Share and enjoy!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150700</id>
	<title>Crap</title>
	<author>AP31R0N</author>
	<datestamp>1257079320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How am I supposed to commit my crimes in privacy now?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How am I supposed to commit my crimes in privacy now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How am I supposed to commit my crimes in privacy now?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30151758</id>
	<title>Re:city of big brother?</title>
	<author>ae1294</author>
	<datestamp>1257085500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150994</id>
	<title>The real infringement on your rights...</title>
	<author>Gordonjcp</author>
	<datestamp>1257080880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... is not the cameras.  In the US, wherever you go there are armed police who are allowed to shoot and kill you, for any reason they feel like.  Fix that, then worry about CCTV cameras.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... is not the cameras .
In the US , wherever you go there are armed police who are allowed to shoot and kill you , for any reason they feel like .
Fix that , then worry about CCTV cameras .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... is not the cameras.
In the US, wherever you go there are armed police who are allowed to shoot and kill you, for any reason they feel like.
Fix that, then worry about CCTV cameras.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30151310</id>
	<title>Re:The real infringement on your rights...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257082620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wish I had mod points to bump this up.</p><p>http://www.cato.org/raidmap/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wish I had mod points to bump this up.http : //www.cato.org/raidmap/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wish I had mod points to bump this up.http://www.cato.org/raidmap/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30154110</id>
	<title>Re:How does this compare to London?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258625880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Indeed. Not that it's had <a href="http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23412867-tens-of-thousands-of-cctv-cameras-yet-80-of-crime-unsolved.do" title="thisislondon.co.uk" rel="nofollow">any discernible effect on crime rates</a> [thisislondon.co.uk] in London.</p><p>The article provides no basis on which to draw that conclusion. There are other problems with the data set and conclusions, but the simplest question to ask is <i>what percentage of crimes was detected prior to the introduction of CCTV?</i></p><p>It's also worth noting that London doesn't have a single camera 'network' per se. Each local authority is responsible for its own cameras.</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed .
Not that it 's had any discernible effect on crime rates [ thisislondon.co.uk ] in London.The article provides no basis on which to draw that conclusion .
There are other problems with the data set and conclusions , but the simplest question to ask is what percentage of crimes was detected prior to the introduction of CCTV ? It 's also worth noting that London does n't have a single camera 'network ' per se .
Each local authority is responsible for its own cameras .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed.
Not that it's had any discernible effect on crime rates [thisislondon.co.uk] in London.The article provides no basis on which to draw that conclusion.
There are other problems with the data set and conclusions, but the simplest question to ask is what percentage of crimes was detected prior to the introduction of CCTV?It's also worth noting that London doesn't have a single camera 'network' per se.
Each local authority is responsible for its own cameras.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30151252</id>
	<title>Governor's Mansion?</title>
	<author>hemp</author>
	<datestamp>1257082380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hope they have several inside the Governor's Mansion.  The are guaranteed to catch a felon there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope they have several inside the Governor 's Mansion .
The are guaranteed to catch a felon there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope they have several inside the Governor's Mansion.
The are guaranteed to catch a felon there.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30158342</id>
	<title>Re:So</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258652400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It hasn't done a single thing to affect crime levels all that much. Then again, some places cameras have been up for so long and with so many more up now... people just know that after a certain point, being under a camera when you do something isn't going to result in anything happening if nobody bothers to call in and report the crime in the first place. (Or more likely: If the cops never bother to show up as is the issue in a lot of neighborhoods.)</p><p>In your case, a bright floodlight probably would have had the same effect.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It has n't done a single thing to affect crime levels all that much .
Then again , some places cameras have been up for so long and with so many more up now... people just know that after a certain point , being under a camera when you do something is n't going to result in anything happening if nobody bothers to call in and report the crime in the first place .
( Or more likely : If the cops never bother to show up as is the issue in a lot of neighborhoods .
) In your case , a bright floodlight probably would have had the same effect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It hasn't done a single thing to affect crime levels all that much.
Then again, some places cameras have been up for so long and with so many more up now... people just know that after a certain point, being under a camera when you do something isn't going to result in anything happening if nobody bothers to call in and report the crime in the first place.
(Or more likely: If the cops never bother to show up as is the issue in a lot of neighborhoods.
)In your case, a bright floodlight probably would have had the same effect.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30152816</id>
	<title>Relax!</title>
	<author>uvajed\_ekil</author>
	<datestamp>1257094620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Since we are talking about Chicago here, most citizens won't have to worry about being watched. We can safely presume that the vast majority of the cameras will be in City Hall, right?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Since we are talking about Chicago here , most citizens wo n't have to worry about being watched .
We can safely presume that the vast majority of the cameras will be in City Hall , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since we are talking about Chicago here, most citizens won't have to worry about being watched.
We can safely presume that the vast majority of the cameras will be in City Hall, right?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30151672</id>
	<title>Are they installed in government buildings??</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257084900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe if there were to be installed there, we could keep out politicians out of jail.

Yet another reason why I'm glad that I move out of Illinois, my home state.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe if there were to be installed there , we could keep out politicians out of jail .
Yet another reason why I 'm glad that I move out of Illinois , my home state .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe if there were to be installed there, we could keep out politicians out of jail.
Yet another reason why I'm glad that I move out of Illinois, my home state.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30153290</id>
	<title>Re:The real infringement on your rights...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257100500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can shove your prejudices and arrogant Eurocentrism where the sun don't shine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can shove your prejudices and arrogant Eurocentrism where the sun do n't shine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can shove your prejudices and arrogant Eurocentrism where the sun don't shine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30153220</id>
	<title>Re:Scary if "The Man" does it...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257099480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When Google does it;<br>1) It is public / transparent anyone can view it.</p><p>2) They blur faces and nameplates.</p><p>3) It is purely for the purposes of allowing you to virtually travel streets to plan out a road trip.</p><p>When "The Man" does it;<br>1) It is secretive, who knows what they're doing with them! They could be watching you have sex in an alley, pick your nose, etc. Don't laugh, the NSA has been outed on gathering together with popcorn and laughing at recordings of soldiers having phone sex with their wives back home while in Iraq. This stuff really happens.</p><p>2) The purpose is to invade your privacy and stick their nose in your business for the purpose of taking away freedoms and imposing their version of right and wrong on you anywhere you go. For example, in Britain if you toss a cigarette on the ground, a camera will catch you doing it and a loudspeaker attached atop it will carry the voice of a police officer yelling at you to pick it up or face fines/arrest.</p><p>3) Criminals could manipulate these cameras, or corrupt cops/politicians.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When Google does it ; 1 ) It is public / transparent anyone can view it.2 ) They blur faces and nameplates.3 ) It is purely for the purposes of allowing you to virtually travel streets to plan out a road trip.When " The Man " does it ; 1 ) It is secretive , who knows what they 're doing with them !
They could be watching you have sex in an alley , pick your nose , etc .
Do n't laugh , the NSA has been outed on gathering together with popcorn and laughing at recordings of soldiers having phone sex with their wives back home while in Iraq .
This stuff really happens.2 ) The purpose is to invade your privacy and stick their nose in your business for the purpose of taking away freedoms and imposing their version of right and wrong on you anywhere you go .
For example , in Britain if you toss a cigarette on the ground , a camera will catch you doing it and a loudspeaker attached atop it will carry the voice of a police officer yelling at you to pick it up or face fines/arrest.3 ) Criminals could manipulate these cameras , or corrupt cops/politicians .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When Google does it;1) It is public / transparent anyone can view it.2) They blur faces and nameplates.3) It is purely for the purposes of allowing you to virtually travel streets to plan out a road trip.When "The Man" does it;1) It is secretive, who knows what they're doing with them!
They could be watching you have sex in an alley, pick your nose, etc.
Don't laugh, the NSA has been outed on gathering together with popcorn and laughing at recordings of soldiers having phone sex with their wives back home while in Iraq.
This stuff really happens.2) The purpose is to invade your privacy and stick their nose in your business for the purpose of taking away freedoms and imposing their version of right and wrong on you anywhere you go.
For example, in Britain if you toss a cigarette on the ground, a camera will catch you doing it and a loudspeaker attached atop it will carry the voice of a police officer yelling at you to pick it up or face fines/arrest.3) Criminals could manipulate these cameras, or corrupt cops/politicians.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30156370</id>
	<title>Re:city of big brother?</title>
	<author>jpcarter</author>
	<datestamp>1258646460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think you mean "The City of Big (Brother is Watching Over My) Shoulders."</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you mean " The City of Big ( Brother is Watching Over My ) Shoulders .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you mean "The City of Big (Brother is Watching Over My) Shoulders.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30153682</id>
	<title>And none of you will do anything about it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258661640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People love to moan and complain, and maybe they're right to complain and truly have something to moan about, but when it comes to taking effective action, you need to pay them. Otherwise they'll prevaricate, then do nothing.<br>That is why the cameras - put in place by paid officials - will stay and increase in number, while the - unpaid - people who moan will go home and watch television after they have let off a bit of steam.</p><p>Why not cut out the moaning too. You aren't going to do anything about it, so shut up about it and leave us camera installers in peace to get on with our job!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People love to moan and complain , and maybe they 're right to complain and truly have something to moan about , but when it comes to taking effective action , you need to pay them .
Otherwise they 'll prevaricate , then do nothing.That is why the cameras - put in place by paid officials - will stay and increase in number , while the - unpaid - people who moan will go home and watch television after they have let off a bit of steam.Why not cut out the moaning too .
You are n't going to do anything about it , so shut up about it and leave us camera installers in peace to get on with our job !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People love to moan and complain, and maybe they're right to complain and truly have something to moan about, but when it comes to taking effective action, you need to pay them.
Otherwise they'll prevaricate, then do nothing.That is why the cameras - put in place by paid officials - will stay and increase in number, while the - unpaid - people who moan will go home and watch television after they have let off a bit of steam.Why not cut out the moaning too.
You aren't going to do anything about it, so shut up about it and leave us camera installers in peace to get on with our job!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30151954</id>
	<title>How to Find Them All?</title>
	<author>IonOtter</author>
	<datestamp>1257087060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How to find them all?</p><p>Easy.</p><p>1.  Create a fake Google profile.  Be sure to use several Tor proxies to make sure you can't be traced back, and LOG OUT OF YOUR CURRENT GOOGLE PROFILE!!!  Make sure you continue to use Tor for the entire operation.<br>2.  Go to maps.google.com<br>3.  Click My Maps<br>4.  Create new map, make it public.<br>5.  Title:  Chicago IP Surveillance Camera locations<br>6.  Description:  This map is to pinpoint the location of all video cameras being used in the city of Chicago.  If you know of a camera that's being used to watch a public area, add the address to this map, along with a brief description of where it is, what its watching and what it looks like.<br>7.  Click "collaborate"<br>8.  Select "allow anyone to edit this map"<br>9.  Publish the map</p><p>Done.  Now just sit back and let John Q Public fill in all the little details.</p><p>You can also use Wikimapia, which is now moderated.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How to find them all ? Easy.1 .
Create a fake Google profile .
Be sure to use several Tor proxies to make sure you ca n't be traced back , and LOG OUT OF YOUR CURRENT GOOGLE PROFILE ! ! !
Make sure you continue to use Tor for the entire operation.2 .
Go to maps.google.com3 .
Click My Maps4 .
Create new map , make it public.5 .
Title : Chicago IP Surveillance Camera locations6 .
Description : This map is to pinpoint the location of all video cameras being used in the city of Chicago .
If you know of a camera that 's being used to watch a public area , add the address to this map , along with a brief description of where it is , what its watching and what it looks like.7 .
Click " collaborate " 8 .
Select " allow anyone to edit this map " 9 .
Publish the mapDone .
Now just sit back and let John Q Public fill in all the little details.You can also use Wikimapia , which is now moderated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How to find them all?Easy.1.
Create a fake Google profile.
Be sure to use several Tor proxies to make sure you can't be traced back, and LOG OUT OF YOUR CURRENT GOOGLE PROFILE!!!
Make sure you continue to use Tor for the entire operation.2.
Go to maps.google.com3.
Click My Maps4.
Create new map, make it public.5.
Title:  Chicago IP Surveillance Camera locations6.
Description:  This map is to pinpoint the location of all video cameras being used in the city of Chicago.
If you know of a camera that's being used to watch a public area, add the address to this map, along with a brief description of where it is, what its watching and what it looks like.7.
Click "collaborate"8.
Select "allow anyone to edit this map"9.
Publish the mapDone.
Now just sit back and let John Q Public fill in all the little details.You can also use Wikimapia, which is now moderated.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150418</id>
	<title>las vegas has more camers in side the casinos</title>
	<author>Joe The Dragon</author>
	<datestamp>1257077820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>las vegas has more camers in side the casinos.</p><p>also they have cltv there is that the feed that is not uses for csn+ and has cltv 24/7?</p><p>I want cltv on direct tv in Chicago land.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>las vegas has more camers in side the casinos.also they have cltv there is that the feed that is not uses for csn + and has cltv 24/7 ? I want cltv on direct tv in Chicago land .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>las vegas has more camers in side the casinos.also they have cltv there is that the feed that is not uses for csn+ and has cltv 24/7?I want cltv on direct tv in Chicago land.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30151552</id>
	<title>Who watches the watchers?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257084300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What I want to know is, why is it when the police tape a traffic stop it is evidence and when <b>I</b> (a private citizen) tape the same traffic stop it is obstruction of justice?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What I want to know is , why is it when the police tape a traffic stop it is evidence and when I ( a private citizen ) tape the same traffic stop it is obstruction of justice ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What I want to know is, why is it when the police tape a traffic stop it is evidence and when I (a private citizen) tape the same traffic stop it is obstruction of justice?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30151872</id>
	<title>Re:So</title>
	<author>Jah-Wren Ryel</author>
	<datestamp>1257086400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So I'm curious how a city wide effort would work and what its results are.</p></div><p>Look at London - the effect appears to be that only a very small subset of crimes are affected, and those are primarily moved to 'blind-spots' between cameras.  All the other sorts of crime continues on business as usual.  Some will say that this happens because the criminals know that 99.99\% of the time no-one is watching the cameras anyway.  But, to me at least, that just seems like one more step down the slipperly slope.  The same people were the ones saying that just having cameras would be a pancea itself - ultimately they will get to the point of arguing that the only way a bunch of cameras can make a significant difference is if we implement an extremely authoritarian regime to back them up and if that's the case they might as well just come clean and say big brother is the end game instead of boiling our frog.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So I 'm curious how a city wide effort would work and what its results are.Look at London - the effect appears to be that only a very small subset of crimes are affected , and those are primarily moved to 'blind-spots ' between cameras .
All the other sorts of crime continues on business as usual .
Some will say that this happens because the criminals know that 99.99 \ % of the time no-one is watching the cameras anyway .
But , to me at least , that just seems like one more step down the slipperly slope .
The same people were the ones saying that just having cameras would be a pancea itself - ultimately they will get to the point of arguing that the only way a bunch of cameras can make a significant difference is if we implement an extremely authoritarian regime to back them up and if that 's the case they might as well just come clean and say big brother is the end game instead of boiling our frog .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So I'm curious how a city wide effort would work and what its results are.Look at London - the effect appears to be that only a very small subset of crimes are affected, and those are primarily moved to 'blind-spots' between cameras.
All the other sorts of crime continues on business as usual.
Some will say that this happens because the criminals know that 99.99\% of the time no-one is watching the cameras anyway.
But, to me at least, that just seems like one more step down the slipperly slope.
The same people were the ones saying that just having cameras would be a pancea itself - ultimately they will get to the point of arguing that the only way a bunch of cameras can make a significant difference is if we implement an extremely authoritarian regime to back them up and if that's the case they might as well just come clean and say big brother is the end game instead of boiling our frog.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150862</id>
	<title>Re:city of big brother?</title>
	<author>JoshuaZ</author>
	<datestamp>1257080160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes. This is very bad. It means the Americans must also be constructing interlinked networks of basilisk guns. <a href="http://www.goldengryphon.com/Stross-Concrete.html" title="goldengryphon.com">http://www.goldengryphon.com/Stross-Concrete.html</a> [goldengryphon.com]. They must think that the awakening of the Great Old Ones is near. Maybe it will occur in December of 2012?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes .
This is very bad .
It means the Americans must also be constructing interlinked networks of basilisk guns .
http : //www.goldengryphon.com/Stross-Concrete.html [ goldengryphon.com ] .
They must think that the awakening of the Great Old Ones is near .
Maybe it will occur in December of 2012 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes.
This is very bad.
It means the Americans must also be constructing interlinked networks of basilisk guns.
http://www.goldengryphon.com/Stross-Concrete.html [goldengryphon.com].
They must think that the awakening of the Great Old Ones is near.
Maybe it will occur in December of 2012?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150380</id>
	<title>Center of Crime</title>
	<author>spydabyte</author>
	<datestamp>1257077580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Chicago is notorious for mob crimes. Only makes logic <i>hollywood</i> sense to start big brother there, where the <a href="http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/20th/1930s/fbi.html" title="sandiego.edu">FBI</a> [sandiego.edu] was focused in the 1920s...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Chicago is notorious for mob crimes .
Only makes logic hollywood sense to start big brother there , where the FBI [ sandiego.edu ] was focused in the 1920s.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Chicago is notorious for mob crimes.
Only makes logic hollywood sense to start big brother there, where the FBI [sandiego.edu] was focused in the 1920s...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150772</id>
	<title>Re:I formally request access to the logs...</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1257079740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, only people who are logged can read the log. This is to protect accountability and uhhh ensure log integrity.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , only people who are logged can read the log .
This is to protect accountability and uhhh ensure log integrity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, only people who are logged can read the log.
This is to protect accountability and uhhh ensure log integrity.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30152922</id>
	<title>paintballs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257095640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm surprised noone has shot these things with paintballs or something. Don't destroy them, but cover them in paint or something to blind them.  enough people doing this, they become worthless. Of course, if you get caught, i'm sure there'll be a tazin'.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm surprised noone has shot these things with paintballs or something .
Do n't destroy them , but cover them in paint or something to blind them .
enough people doing this , they become worthless .
Of course , if you get caught , i 'm sure there 'll be a tazin' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm surprised noone has shot these things with paintballs or something.
Don't destroy them, but cover them in paint or something to blind them.
enough people doing this, they become worthless.
Of course, if you get caught, i'm sure there'll be a tazin'.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30152392</id>
	<title>Re:That's what you get with corrupt democrats...</title>
	<author>jbengt</author>
	<datestamp>1257089940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The corrupt democratic machine has ruled Chicagoland for years. Obama was part of it.</p></div><p>You obviously don't know what you're talking about.  Obama was <strong>not</strong> part of what is known as "Chicago machine politics".</p><p><div class="quote"><p>More importantly, the experience with England clearly shows that cameras don't do much to prevent crime</p></div><p>Even more importantly, most of the police cameras are at street corners generating traffic ticket revenue.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The corrupt democratic machine has ruled Chicagoland for years .
Obama was part of it.You obviously do n't know what you 're talking about .
Obama was not part of what is known as " Chicago machine politics " .More importantly , the experience with England clearly shows that cameras do n't do much to prevent crimeEven more importantly , most of the police cameras are at street corners generating traffic ticket revenue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The corrupt democratic machine has ruled Chicagoland for years.
Obama was part of it.You obviously don't know what you're talking about.
Obama was not part of what is known as "Chicago machine politics".More importantly, the experience with England clearly shows that cameras don't do much to prevent crimeEven more importantly, most of the police cameras are at street corners generating traffic ticket revenue.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30157712</id>
	<title>Well, how 'bout some free wi-fi then?</title>
	<author>Nexus7</author>
	<datestamp>1258650480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So they have this video surveillance fiber optic loop thing all over the city, huh? Then hook up some hardware to it and give us free wi-fi!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So they have this video surveillance fiber optic loop thing all over the city , huh ?
Then hook up some hardware to it and give us free wi-fi !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So they have this video surveillance fiber optic loop thing all over the city, huh?
Then hook up some hardware to it and give us free wi-fi!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150594</id>
	<title>So</title>
	<author>jlechem</author>
	<datestamp>1257078660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>What's the crime rate like now?  I'm seriously on the fence about this one.  They put in new cameras in Pioneer Park (SLC, Utah) and supposedly the drug/gang/prostitution rate dropped dramatically.  Of course now everyone pisses and moans because they just moved over a few blocks to the residential neighborhood.  So I'm curious how a city wide effort would work and what its results are.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's the crime rate like now ?
I 'm seriously on the fence about this one .
They put in new cameras in Pioneer Park ( SLC , Utah ) and supposedly the drug/gang/prostitution rate dropped dramatically .
Of course now everyone pisses and moans because they just moved over a few blocks to the residential neighborhood .
So I 'm curious how a city wide effort would work and what its results are .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's the crime rate like now?
I'm seriously on the fence about this one.
They put in new cameras in Pioneer Park (SLC, Utah) and supposedly the drug/gang/prostitution rate dropped dramatically.
Of course now everyone pisses and moans because they just moved over a few blocks to the residential neighborhood.
So I'm curious how a city wide effort would work and what its results are.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150638</id>
	<title>Here we come UK</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257078960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At least you know how many camera's exist in your part of the world.  I suspect that Chicago is not going to be too far behind.  Let's race, shall we?</p><p>I might take my vacation in the UK just to get some privacy.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p><p>A disappointed Chicagoan.</p><p>PS: The bot validation word is: "violates"  how appropriate.... lol...cry..lol..cry..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At least you know how many camera 's exist in your part of the world .
I suspect that Chicago is not going to be too far behind .
Let 's race , shall we ? I might take my vacation in the UK just to get some privacy .
: - ) A disappointed Chicagoan.PS : The bot validation word is : " violates " how appropriate.... lol...cry..lol..cry. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least you know how many camera's exist in your part of the world.
I suspect that Chicago is not going to be too far behind.
Let's race, shall we?I might take my vacation in the UK just to get some privacy.
:-)A disappointed Chicagoan.PS: The bot validation word is: "violates"  how appropriate.... lol...cry..lol..cry..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30150516</id>
	<title>Re:How does this compare to London?</title>
	<author>debrain</author>
	<datestamp>1257078240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Indeed. Not that it's had <a href="http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23412867-tens-of-thousands-of-cctv-cameras-yet-80-of-crime-unsolved.do" title="thisislondon.co.uk">any discernible effect on crime rates</a> [thisislondon.co.uk] in London.</p><p>In my humble opinion, the money wasted on video cameras would be better spent on health &amp; education for the poor, incentivizing smart people to become police officers by paying them more, and vocational rehabilitation of offenders.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed .
Not that it 's had any discernible effect on crime rates [ thisislondon.co.uk ] in London.In my humble opinion , the money wasted on video cameras would be better spent on health &amp; education for the poor , incentivizing smart people to become police officers by paying them more , and vocational rehabilitation of offenders .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed.
Not that it's had any discernible effect on crime rates [thisislondon.co.uk] in London.In my humble opinion, the money wasted on video cameras would be better spent on health &amp; education for the poor, incentivizing smart people to become police officers by paying them more, and vocational rehabilitation of offenders.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30162916</id>
	<title>Re:How does this compare to London?</title>
	<author>Budenny</author>
	<datestamp>1258623900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is a futile effort to compete with London, and indeed with the UK, on this dimension.  You may not have realized that one of Britain's great tourist attractions is that it is the most surveilled country, and London the most surveilled city, in the world.  People come from all over to experience the magic of proper surveillance, at which we lead the world. There are so many cameras in London that if they were all actively used, everyone in London would be watching them all the time, and there would be no-one to surveil, because we would all be surveilling.</p><p>This is why, if you watched the recent Queen's speech, you would have been informed of a remarkable innovation in political thought.  The UK government has committed to reducing the deficit by half, and it has also committed to reducing the number of people surveilling to no more than half of the population at any one time.</p><p>In order to do this, it is proposing to install people counters in all places where the cameras are watchable, and if the number goes over 50\%, as it often does nowadays, then the last entrants will have their names taken and incur heavy fines.</p><p>To avoid the problem of people giving false names, face recognition software will be installed at all cameras watching surveillance centers.</p><p>This is widely reported as a brilliant initiative, which will cement the British surveillance lead, and ensure that for the next few years, tourists will continue to flock to London, confident that they are seeing a world leader in surveillance.</p><p>And causing civil servants in other countries to go home in a state of furious rage, muttering to themselves and their bemused wives about the growing surveillance gap, and worse still, the widening meta surveillance chasm.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a futile effort to compete with London , and indeed with the UK , on this dimension .
You may not have realized that one of Britain 's great tourist attractions is that it is the most surveilled country , and London the most surveilled city , in the world .
People come from all over to experience the magic of proper surveillance , at which we lead the world .
There are so many cameras in London that if they were all actively used , everyone in London would be watching them all the time , and there would be no-one to surveil , because we would all be surveilling.This is why , if you watched the recent Queen 's speech , you would have been informed of a remarkable innovation in political thought .
The UK government has committed to reducing the deficit by half , and it has also committed to reducing the number of people surveilling to no more than half of the population at any one time.In order to do this , it is proposing to install people counters in all places where the cameras are watchable , and if the number goes over 50 \ % , as it often does nowadays , then the last entrants will have their names taken and incur heavy fines.To avoid the problem of people giving false names , face recognition software will be installed at all cameras watching surveillance centers.This is widely reported as a brilliant initiative , which will cement the British surveillance lead , and ensure that for the next few years , tourists will continue to flock to London , confident that they are seeing a world leader in surveillance.And causing civil servants in other countries to go home in a state of furious rage , muttering to themselves and their bemused wives about the growing surveillance gap , and worse still , the widening meta surveillance chasm .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a futile effort to compete with London, and indeed with the UK, on this dimension.
You may not have realized that one of Britain's great tourist attractions is that it is the most surveilled country, and London the most surveilled city, in the world.
People come from all over to experience the magic of proper surveillance, at which we lead the world.
There are so many cameras in London that if they were all actively used, everyone in London would be watching them all the time, and there would be no-one to surveil, because we would all be surveilling.This is why, if you watched the recent Queen's speech, you would have been informed of a remarkable innovation in political thought.
The UK government has committed to reducing the deficit by half, and it has also committed to reducing the number of people surveilling to no more than half of the population at any one time.In order to do this, it is proposing to install people counters in all places where the cameras are watchable, and if the number goes over 50\%, as it often does nowadays, then the last entrants will have their names taken and incur heavy fines.To avoid the problem of people giving false names, face recognition software will be installed at all cameras watching surveillance centers.This is widely reported as a brilliant initiative, which will cement the British surveillance lead, and ensure that for the next few years, tourists will continue to flock to London, confident that they are seeing a world leader in surveillance.And causing civil servants in other countries to go home in a state of furious rage, muttering to themselves and their bemused wives about the growing surveillance gap, and worse still, the widening meta surveillance chasm.</sentencetext>
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	<title>That's what you get with corrupt democrats...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257077340000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>The corrupt democratic machine has ruled Chicagoland for years. Obama was part of it.</p><p>More importantly, the experience with England clearly shows that cameras don't do much to prevent crime. Isn't there anything useful that Chicago can spend their money on?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The corrupt democratic machine has ruled Chicagoland for years .
Obama was part of it.More importantly , the experience with England clearly shows that cameras do n't do much to prevent crime .
Is n't there anything useful that Chicago can spend their money on ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The corrupt democratic machine has ruled Chicagoland for years.
Obama was part of it.More importantly, the experience with England clearly shows that cameras don't do much to prevent crime.
Isn't there anything useful that Chicago can spend their money on?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_2244218.30154880</id>
	<title>Re:How does this compare to London?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258638540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Welcome to the future... Cheaper technology and the temptation to monitor is increased. It would be nice for the public to be able to get city maps, showing CCTV system in use.</p><p>Of course any system like this would make it easy for people that could access the camera network to spy on anyone. If they didn't have good intentions, this would be bad news. What if people planning on terrorist attach could access the computer systems ehh?</p><p>So who is responsible??? Would the admins be responsible for security - NOPE, not in the US and I suspect not in the UK either. Instead they will blame the 'hacker'(see the case of Gary the scapegoat McKinnon). So I don't trust the compitence of the goverment (US or UK) and as a result I don't agree with monitoring everyone using CCTV.</p><p>If EVERYONE knew what camera's they were being recorded by and who owned them, we could all request a copy o the video with us in it (Data protection act). The practice would soon have to stop as it would be too time consuming and expensive. I don't agree with casing criminal damage (vandalising cameras).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Welcome to the future... Cheaper technology and the temptation to monitor is increased .
It would be nice for the public to be able to get city maps , showing CCTV system in use.Of course any system like this would make it easy for people that could access the camera network to spy on anyone .
If they did n't have good intentions , this would be bad news .
What if people planning on terrorist attach could access the computer systems ehh ? So who is responsible ? ? ?
Would the admins be responsible for security - NOPE , not in the US and I suspect not in the UK either .
Instead they will blame the 'hacker ' ( see the case of Gary the scapegoat McKinnon ) .
So I do n't trust the compitence of the goverment ( US or UK ) and as a result I do n't agree with monitoring everyone using CCTV.If EVERYONE knew what camera 's they were being recorded by and who owned them , we could all request a copy o the video with us in it ( Data protection act ) .
The practice would soon have to stop as it would be too time consuming and expensive .
I do n't agree with casing criminal damage ( vandalising cameras ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Welcome to the future... Cheaper technology and the temptation to monitor is increased.
It would be nice for the public to be able to get city maps, showing CCTV system in use.Of course any system like this would make it easy for people that could access the camera network to spy on anyone.
If they didn't have good intentions, this would be bad news.
What if people planning on terrorist attach could access the computer systems ehh?So who is responsible???
Would the admins be responsible for security - NOPE, not in the US and I suspect not in the UK either.
Instead they will blame the 'hacker'(see the case of Gary the scapegoat McKinnon).
So I don't trust the compitence of the goverment (US or UK) and as a result I don't agree with monitoring everyone using CCTV.If EVERYONE knew what camera's they were being recorded by and who owned them, we could all request a copy o the video with us in it (Data protection act).
The practice would soon have to stop as it would be too time consuming and expensive.
I don't agree with casing criminal damage (vandalising cameras).</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:So</title>
	<author>tsstahl</author>
	<datestamp>1257093180000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Well, we are in the middle of a gang war with a bunch of kids being killed this year.  Daley can co. won't breathe a word about the gang war.  Cams don't seem to be stopping anything, but red light cams are generating lots of money.  So, you can come to Chicago to kill a kid, but dammit, you better not run a red light on your way out of town.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , we are in the middle of a gang war with a bunch of kids being killed this year .
Daley can co. wo n't breathe a word about the gang war .
Cams do n't seem to be stopping anything , but red light cams are generating lots of money .
So , you can come to Chicago to kill a kid , but dammit , you better not run a red light on your way out of town .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, we are in the middle of a gang war with a bunch of kids being killed this year.
Daley can co. won't breathe a word about the gang war.
Cams don't seem to be stopping anything, but red light cams are generating lots of money.
So, you can come to Chicago to kill a kid, but dammit, you better not run a red light on your way out of town.</sentencetext>
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