<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_18_208251</id>
	<title>When a DNA Testing Firm Goes Bankrupt, Who Gets the Data?</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1258533720000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>wiedzmin writes <i>"DeCODE Genetics, a genetics research firm from Iceland, has filed for bankruptcy in the US, and Saga Investments, a US venture capital firm, has already put in a bid to buy deCODE&rsquo;s operations, <a href="http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/11/dna/">raising privacy concerns about the fate of customer DNA samples and records</a>. The company hasn&rsquo;t disclosed how many clients signed up for its service, but provides a number of customer testimonials on its site, including Dorrit Mousaieff, Iceland&rsquo;s first lady."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>wiedzmin writes " DeCODE Genetics , a genetics research firm from Iceland , has filed for bankruptcy in the US , and Saga Investments , a US venture capital firm , has already put in a bid to buy deCODE    s operations , raising privacy concerns about the fate of customer DNA samples and records .
The company hasn    t disclosed how many clients signed up for its service , but provides a number of customer testimonials on its site , including Dorrit Mousaieff , Iceland    s first lady .
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<sentencetext>wiedzmin writes "DeCODE Genetics, a genetics research firm from Iceland, has filed for bankruptcy in the US, and Saga Investments, a US venture capital firm, has already put in a bid to buy deCODE’s operations, raising privacy concerns about the fate of customer DNA samples and records.
The company hasn’t disclosed how many clients signed up for its service, but provides a number of customer testimonials on its site, including Dorrit Mousaieff, Iceland’s first lady.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30148348</id>
	<title>This is why I protected myself</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257068640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I spliced in a trojan to my DNA.  If I'm cloned in anything but my specific method, I'll instead turn out as a 70ft tall dinosaur human hybrid with fire breath, laser beam eyes, and the ability to fly.  I dare them to clone me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I spliced in a trojan to my DNA .
If I 'm cloned in anything but my specific method , I 'll instead turn out as a 70ft tall dinosaur human hybrid with fire breath , laser beam eyes , and the ability to fly .
I dare them to clone me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I spliced in a trojan to my DNA.
If I'm cloned in anything but my specific method, I'll instead turn out as a 70ft tall dinosaur human hybrid with fire breath, laser beam eyes, and the ability to fly.
I dare them to clone me.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30151102</id>
	<title>Re:Information wants to be free!</title>
	<author>stephanruby</author>
	<datestamp>1257081600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>DNA information and it wants to be free</p></div></blockquote><p>
Mine certainly wants to be. Do you have a sister by any chance?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>DNA information and it wants to be free Mine certainly wants to be .
Do you have a sister by any chance ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DNA information and it wants to be free
Mine certainly wants to be.
Do you have a sister by any chance?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30148464</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30148472</id>
	<title>privacy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257069180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Customer data should be considered the property of the customer; the decision as to what happens to that data should be accountable to the owner of that data which would be the person who provided that data in the first place.  The data should not be transferred to a third party without permission from the owner of that information.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Customer data should be considered the property of the customer ; the decision as to what happens to that data should be accountable to the owner of that data which would be the person who provided that data in the first place .
The data should not be transferred to a third party without permission from the owner of that information .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Customer data should be considered the property of the customer; the decision as to what happens to that data should be accountable to the owner of that data which would be the person who provided that data in the first place.
The data should not be transferred to a third party without permission from the owner of that information.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30149278</id>
	<title>Re:Love it...</title>
	<author>electrosoccertux</author>
	<datestamp>1257073080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You think that's bad, just wait till you get a job in government.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You think that 's bad , just wait till you get a job in government .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You think that's bad, just wait till you get a job in government.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30148440</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30149190</id>
	<title>Copyright</title>
	<author>Doc Ruby</author>
	<datestamp>1257072660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Copyright should protect everyone from any copying of their DNA except as expressly permitted by the person, other than ordered by a court after due process.</p><p>If the US government protected our personal data, including our most personal data: our DNA, nearly as vigorously as it protects the most expendible commercial copyrights, we'd all be a lot safer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Copyright should protect everyone from any copying of their DNA except as expressly permitted by the person , other than ordered by a court after due process.If the US government protected our personal data , including our most personal data : our DNA , nearly as vigorously as it protects the most expendible commercial copyrights , we 'd all be a lot safer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Copyright should protect everyone from any copying of their DNA except as expressly permitted by the person, other than ordered by a court after due process.If the US government protected our personal data, including our most personal data: our DNA, nearly as vigorously as it protects the most expendible commercial copyrights, we'd all be a lot safer.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30149476</id>
	<title>IMHO The data should be destroyed</title>
	<author>gobbligook</author>
	<datestamp>1257073980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>IMHO you should only be able to sell a copy or "license" to use your DNA sequence, but that "license" should not be transferable to the next buyer.</p><p>Its odd that people blindly accept contracts without reading them or negotiating the terms.  When submitting data like this to a database held by a third party, you'd better make damn sure there are stipulations in the contract to protect YOUR data! otherwise DON'T DO IT.</p><p>One more thing, if you give anyone any iota of information, expect that information to never again be private.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>IMHO you should only be able to sell a copy or " license " to use your DNA sequence , but that " license " should not be transferable to the next buyer.Its odd that people blindly accept contracts without reading them or negotiating the terms .
When submitting data like this to a database held by a third party , you 'd better make damn sure there are stipulations in the contract to protect YOUR data !
otherwise DO N'T DO IT.One more thing , if you give anyone any iota of information , expect that information to never again be private .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IMHO you should only be able to sell a copy or "license" to use your DNA sequence, but that "license" should not be transferable to the next buyer.Its odd that people blindly accept contracts without reading them or negotiating the terms.
When submitting data like this to a database held by a third party, you'd better make damn sure there are stipulations in the contract to protect YOUR data!
otherwise DON'T DO IT.One more thing, if you give anyone any iota of information, expect that information to never again be private.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30149008</id>
	<title>The real question is...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257071700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who gets the "deposits" when the sperm bank goes bankrupt.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who gets the " deposits " when the sperm bank goes bankrupt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who gets the "deposits" when the sperm bank goes bankrupt.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30149452</id>
	<title>Re:This is why I protected myself</title>
	<author>shentino</author>
	<datestamp>1257073920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good God...NO NO NO!</p><p>DRM is bad enough in media.  We do NOT need it in our DNA!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good God...NO NO NO ! DRM is bad enough in media .
We do NOT need it in our DNA ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good God...NO NO NO!DRM is bad enough in media.
We do NOT need it in our DNA!!
!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30148348</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30153522</id>
	<title>Re:This is why I protected myself</title>
	<author>ignavus</author>
	<datestamp>1257104220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I spliced in a trojan to my DNA.  If I'm cloned in anything but my specific method, I'll instead turn out as a 70ft tall dinosaur human hybrid with fire breath, laser beam eyes, and the ability to fly.  I dare them to clone me.</p></div><p>How is that different to what you are now?</p><p>PS: On the Internet no one knows you are a 70ft tall dinosaur human hybrid...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I spliced in a trojan to my DNA .
If I 'm cloned in anything but my specific method , I 'll instead turn out as a 70ft tall dinosaur human hybrid with fire breath , laser beam eyes , and the ability to fly .
I dare them to clone me.How is that different to what you are now ? PS : On the Internet no one knows you are a 70ft tall dinosaur human hybrid.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I spliced in a trojan to my DNA.
If I'm cloned in anything but my specific method, I'll instead turn out as a 70ft tall dinosaur human hybrid with fire breath, laser beam eyes, and the ability to fly.
I dare them to clone me.How is that different to what you are now?PS: On the Internet no one knows you are a 70ft tall dinosaur human hybrid...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30148348</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30151666</id>
	<title>The Copyright Holder</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257084900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some deity, according to most of the people on the planet.</p><p>They're wrong, of course.  Most of the people thought the world was flat.  And they were wrong about that, too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some deity , according to most of the people on the planet.They 're wrong , of course .
Most of the people thought the world was flat .
And they were wrong about that , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some deity, according to most of the people on the planet.They're wrong, of course.
Most of the people thought the world was flat.
And they were wrong about that, too.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30149252</id>
	<title>I am not a number! oh wait, yes I am...</title>
	<author>Thud457</author>
	<datestamp>1257072900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><b>Q:</b> how does one annonymize <i>DNA</i> data?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Q : how does one annonymize DNA data ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Q: how does one annonymize DNA data?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30148458</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30148986</id>
	<title>Re:Anonymized data worth anything?</title>
	<author>AndersOSU</author>
	<datestamp>1257071580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm no expert in the field of datamining, but while academics have demonstrated that anonymized web searches can be correlated with other data to identify people, can the same be said for DNA data?  I'd think you'd need minimum a close relatives name and genetic info already.</p><blockquote><div><p>Once anonymized DNA data would become next to worthless</p></div></blockquote><p>Nah, x\% of the the sample population is susceptible to breast cancer, along with the sample groups demographics is really valuable data without knowing the name of anyone.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm no expert in the field of datamining , but while academics have demonstrated that anonymized web searches can be correlated with other data to identify people , can the same be said for DNA data ?
I 'd think you 'd need minimum a close relatives name and genetic info already.Once anonymized DNA data would become next to worthlessNah , x \ % of the the sample population is susceptible to breast cancer , along with the sample groups demographics is really valuable data without knowing the name of anyone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm no expert in the field of datamining, but while academics have demonstrated that anonymized web searches can be correlated with other data to identify people, can the same be said for DNA data?
I'd think you'd need minimum a close relatives name and genetic info already.Once anonymized DNA data would become next to worthlessNah, x\% of the the sample population is susceptible to breast cancer, along with the sample groups demographics is really valuable data without knowing the name of anyone.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30148458</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30148336</id>
	<title>Destroy and burn them.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257068640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Clearly, the answer is that any samples and documentation should be destroyed. A typical way of doing this is to shred any paper documentation, and incinerate it along with any tissue or DNA samples.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Clearly , the answer is that any samples and documentation should be destroyed .
A typical way of doing this is to shred any paper documentation , and incinerate it along with any tissue or DNA samples .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Clearly, the answer is that any samples and documentation should be destroyed.
A typical way of doing this is to shred any paper documentation, and incinerate it along with any tissue or DNA samples.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30148882</id>
	<title>Not just deCODE</title>
	<author>cyber-dragon.net</author>
	<datestamp>1257071040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>23andMe, a US company who has been collecting samples for two-three years now has had two rounds of layoffs in the last six months, the second of which was a third of the company. I think this should be a real concern for the customers of any of these companies, Navigenics, Pathways, deCODE, 23andMe etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>23andMe , a US company who has been collecting samples for two-three years now has had two rounds of layoffs in the last six months , the second of which was a third of the company .
I think this should be a real concern for the customers of any of these companies , Navigenics , Pathways , deCODE , 23andMe etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>23andMe, a US company who has been collecting samples for two-three years now has had two rounds of layoffs in the last six months, the second of which was a third of the company.
I think this should be a real concern for the customers of any of these companies, Navigenics, Pathways, deCODE, 23andMe etc.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30148514</id>
	<title>Re:$5 says they...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257069360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, it wouldn't be that obvious.</p><p>They will sell it to another DNA testing company, who happens to be owned by a V.C. fund, who are chaired by former Health Industry Executives, who are backed by a Health Insurance Company. Layers man, layers. Less scrutiny that way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , it would n't be that obvious.They will sell it to another DNA testing company , who happens to be owned by a V.C .
fund , who are chaired by former Health Industry Executives , who are backed by a Health Insurance Company .
Layers man , layers .
Less scrutiny that way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, it wouldn't be that obvious.They will sell it to another DNA testing company, who happens to be owned by a V.C.
fund, who are chaired by former Health Industry Executives, who are backed by a Health Insurance Company.
Layers man, layers.
Less scrutiny that way.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30148362</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30149040</id>
	<title>I used to work for these guys</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257071820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It was interesting work but the management were clueless about software development. That's another company on my resume that no longer exists. Damn.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It was interesting work but the management were clueless about software development .
That 's another company on my resume that no longer exists .
Damn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It was interesting work but the management were clueless about software development.
That's another company on my resume that no longer exists.
Damn.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30149484</id>
	<title>Decode went banktrupt</title>
	<author>Exception Duck</author>
	<datestamp>1257074040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But the company called &#205;slensk Erf&#240;argreining is still running as before - and nothing has changed with their contracts between them and their donators or the government.</p><p>I have no reason why we should distrust the new owners of the company any less then the previous ones.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But the company called   slensk Erf   argreining is still running as before - and nothing has changed with their contracts between them and their donators or the government.I have no reason why we should distrust the new owners of the company any less then the previous ones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But the company called Íslensk Erfðargreining is still running as before - and nothing has changed with their contracts between them and their donators or the government.I have no reason why we should distrust the new owners of the company any less then the previous ones.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30148830</id>
	<title>Re:$5 says they...</title>
	<author>NewWorldDan</author>
	<datestamp>1257070740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nope, can't do it.  The data is an asset and it's still subject to whatever terms it was collected under.  Just like the bank that wrote my mortgage may have gone bankrupt, but my payment and interest rate remain the same.</p><p>The data is also a medical record, and that comes with a whole slew of restrictions as well.  In summary, the privacy implications are exactly the same as they were a year ago.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nope , ca n't do it .
The data is an asset and it 's still subject to whatever terms it was collected under .
Just like the bank that wrote my mortgage may have gone bankrupt , but my payment and interest rate remain the same.The data is also a medical record , and that comes with a whole slew of restrictions as well .
In summary , the privacy implications are exactly the same as they were a year ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nope, can't do it.
The data is an asset and it's still subject to whatever terms it was collected under.
Just like the bank that wrote my mortgage may have gone bankrupt, but my payment and interest rate remain the same.The data is also a medical record, and that comes with a whole slew of restrictions as well.
In summary, the privacy implications are exactly the same as they were a year ago.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30148362</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30148844</id>
	<title>Re:Time for an Amendment?</title>
	<author>gnick</author>
	<datestamp>1257070800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was under the impression that <b>all</b> twins were maternal twins.  If I have a paternal twin, then dad must have had a <b>wild</b> night.</p><p>Perhaps you're thinking of identical twins as opposed to fraternal twins?</p><p>Sorry for the nit-pick.  My head's just swimming around trying to figure out how to create paternal twins...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was under the impression that all twins were maternal twins .
If I have a paternal twin , then dad must have had a wild night.Perhaps you 're thinking of identical twins as opposed to fraternal twins ? Sorry for the nit-pick .
My head 's just swimming around trying to figure out how to create paternal twins.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was under the impression that all twins were maternal twins.
If I have a paternal twin, then dad must have had a wild night.Perhaps you're thinking of identical twins as opposed to fraternal twins?Sorry for the nit-pick.
My head's just swimming around trying to figure out how to create paternal twins...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30148696</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30149578</id>
	<title>Re:This is why I protected myself</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257074520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I licensed my DNA to my offspring, its closed-source with a limited distribution policy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I licensed my DNA to my offspring , its closed-source with a limited distribution policy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I licensed my DNA to my offspring, its closed-source with a limited distribution policy.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30148348</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30151496</id>
	<title>Re:This is why I protected myself</title>
	<author>nitehawk214</author>
	<datestamp>1257083880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well my clone will be a witty and sarcastic <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0709095/" title="imdb.com">teenaged version of myself</a> [imdb.com].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well my clone will be a witty and sarcastic teenaged version of myself [ imdb.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well my clone will be a witty and sarcastic teenaged version of myself [imdb.com].</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30148348</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30150218</id>
	<title>Re:This is why I protected myself</title>
	<author>AnotherUsername</author>
	<datestamp>1257076860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I spliced in a trojan to my DNA.  If I'm cloned in anything but my specific method, I'll instead turn out as a 70ft tall dinosaur human hybrid with fire breath, laser beam eyes, and the ability to fly.  I dare them to clone me.</p></div><p>Can you send me the DRM package you put into your DNA?  I want to use it for mine, but include my consciousness as well.  And then, time to start cloning myself.  Dinosapien army, all to myself.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I spliced in a trojan to my DNA .
If I 'm cloned in anything but my specific method , I 'll instead turn out as a 70ft tall dinosaur human hybrid with fire breath , laser beam eyes , and the ability to fly .
I dare them to clone me.Can you send me the DRM package you put into your DNA ?
I want to use it for mine , but include my consciousness as well .
And then , time to start cloning myself .
Dinosapien army , all to myself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I spliced in a trojan to my DNA.
If I'm cloned in anything but my specific method, I'll instead turn out as a 70ft tall dinosaur human hybrid with fire breath, laser beam eyes, and the ability to fly.
I dare them to clone me.Can you send me the DRM package you put into your DNA?
I want to use it for mine, but include my consciousness as well.
And then, time to start cloning myself.
Dinosapien army, all to myself.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30149104</id>
	<title>Re:$5 says they...</title>
	<author>Artraze</author>
	<datestamp>1257072240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As someone who leans libertarian on some things, I don't really agree that this is so terrible.  Honestly, is it fair or reasonable that an \_insurance\_ company cover the expenses of something that is guaranteed to happen?  Shouldn't they adjust their rates based on you genetic predisposition to something, the same way that, for example, car insurance does for bad drivers?</p><p>If we decide, as a society, that treating people with genetic diseases is beneficial to us, then we should directly support it, rather than hiding it from insurance companies so we can all (well, those with insurance) pay for it anyway.</p><p>(And yes, I would support this.  I think that the principal problem with health insurance companies is that they don't provide insurance, but rather care, making this stuff a big issue when it doesn't have to be.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As someone who leans libertarian on some things , I do n't really agree that this is so terrible .
Honestly , is it fair or reasonable that an \ _insurance \ _ company cover the expenses of something that is guaranteed to happen ?
Should n't they adjust their rates based on you genetic predisposition to something , the same way that , for example , car insurance does for bad drivers ? If we decide , as a society , that treating people with genetic diseases is beneficial to us , then we should directly support it , rather than hiding it from insurance companies so we can all ( well , those with insurance ) pay for it anyway .
( And yes , I would support this .
I think that the principal problem with health insurance companies is that they do n't provide insurance , but rather care , making this stuff a big issue when it does n't have to be .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As someone who leans libertarian on some things, I don't really agree that this is so terrible.
Honestly, is it fair or reasonable that an \_insurance\_ company cover the expenses of something that is guaranteed to happen?
Shouldn't they adjust their rates based on you genetic predisposition to something, the same way that, for example, car insurance does for bad drivers?If we decide, as a society, that treating people with genetic diseases is beneficial to us, then we should directly support it, rather than hiding it from insurance companies so we can all (well, those with insurance) pay for it anyway.
(And yes, I would support this.
I think that the principal problem with health insurance companies is that they don't provide insurance, but rather care, making this stuff a big issue when it doesn't have to be.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30151506</id>
	<title>Re:Destroy and burn them.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257083940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Destroyed?  How silly.  Information wants to be free!  Release it under a creative commons license!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Destroyed ?
How silly .
Information wants to be free !
Release it under a creative commons license !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Destroyed?
How silly.
Information wants to be free!
Release it under a creative commons license!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30148412</id>
	<title>Time for an Amendment?</title>
	<author>BobMcD</author>
	<datestamp>1257068940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>&ldquo;This clearly introduces a layer of uncertainty beyond what people expected when they signed up,&rdquo; she told the Times. &ldquo;People do need to double check what they are signing up to. These companies often use broad consent, and I worry whether people know what their data might be used for in the long term.&rdquo;</p></div><p>Personally I feel like your genetic information is always YOUR data.  Call it a biological copyright if you wish.  There's only one you, and you inherited the code used to make you.</p><p>This is as close to a modern inalienable right as I've yet seen.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>   This clearly introduces a layer of uncertainty beyond what people expected when they signed up ,    she told the Times .
   People do need to double check what they are signing up to .
These companies often use broad consent , and I worry whether people know what their data might be used for in the long term.    Personally I feel like your genetic information is always YOUR data .
Call it a biological copyright if you wish .
There 's only one you , and you inherited the code used to make you.This is as close to a modern inalienable right as I 've yet seen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>“This clearly introduces a layer of uncertainty beyond what people expected when they signed up,” she told the Times.
“People do need to double check what they are signing up to.
These companies often use broad consent, and I worry whether people know what their data might be used for in the long term.”Personally I feel like your genetic information is always YOUR data.
Call it a biological copyright if you wish.
There's only one you, and you inherited the code used to make you.This is as close to a modern inalienable right as I've yet seen.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30149224</id>
	<title>A simple question</title>
	<author>thewiz</author>
	<datestamp>1257072780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>...including Dorrit Mousaieff, Iceland's first lady.</i></p><p>If she's Icelands first lady, how did Icelanders procreate before she came along?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...including Dorrit Mousaieff , Iceland 's first lady.If she 's Icelands first lady , how did Icelanders procreate before she came along ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...including Dorrit Mousaieff, Iceland's first lady.If she's Icelands first lady, how did Icelanders procreate before she came along?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30148520</id>
	<title>Noticeable lack of legalese in the paperwork</title>
	<author>mosel-saar-ruwer</author>
	<datestamp>1257069360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>We sent off some DNA in our family last winter, and I was surprised at the lack of legalese in the paperwork.
<br><br>
In particular, nowhere in any of it did it state that we were surrendering any property rights [i.e. the documents addressed neither the physical property of the biological material, nor the intellectual property of the DNA code].
<br><br>
On the other hand, because of the lack of legalese in the paperwork, it also didn't say that the DNA facilities were surrendering any property rights [or the ability to assert property rights in the future], either.
<br><br>
But I'd be shocked if the courts ruled for the creditors rather than for the "patients", unless there was some very explicit contracts in which the "patients" surrendered their property rights [although, even there, I wouldn't be surprised if a court ruled that such a contract were invalid, on e.g. <a href="http://www.constitution.org/afterte\_.htm#amd13" title="constitution.org">13th Amendment</a> [constitution.org] grounds].</htmltext>
<tokenext>We sent off some DNA in our family last winter , and I was surprised at the lack of legalese in the paperwork .
In particular , nowhere in any of it did it state that we were surrendering any property rights [ i.e .
the documents addressed neither the physical property of the biological material , nor the intellectual property of the DNA code ] .
On the other hand , because of the lack of legalese in the paperwork , it also did n't say that the DNA facilities were surrendering any property rights [ or the ability to assert property rights in the future ] , either .
But I 'd be shocked if the courts ruled for the creditors rather than for the " patients " , unless there was some very explicit contracts in which the " patients " surrendered their property rights [ although , even there , I would n't be surprised if a court ruled that such a contract were invalid , on e.g .
13th Amendment [ constitution.org ] grounds ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We sent off some DNA in our family last winter, and I was surprised at the lack of legalese in the paperwork.
In particular, nowhere in any of it did it state that we were surrendering any property rights [i.e.
the documents addressed neither the physical property of the biological material, nor the intellectual property of the DNA code].
On the other hand, because of the lack of legalese in the paperwork, it also didn't say that the DNA facilities were surrendering any property rights [or the ability to assert property rights in the future], either.
But I'd be shocked if the courts ruled for the creditors rather than for the "patients", unless there was some very explicit contracts in which the "patients" surrendered their property rights [although, even there, I wouldn't be surprised if a court ruled that such a contract were invalid, on e.g.
13th Amendment [constitution.org] grounds].</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30148814</id>
	<title>Re:Time for an Amendment?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257070680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I see a potential problem with that...</p><p>Everyone is constantly leaving their DNA out in the public domain... (Hair, dead skin, saliva, etc.)</p><p>And, without actually trying to clone using the DNA sample, how do you know whose DNA is whose?<br>(I found this DNA, but how do I determine who it belongs to so I can return it?)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I see a potential problem with that...Everyone is constantly leaving their DNA out in the public domain... ( Hair , dead skin , saliva , etc .
) And , without actually trying to clone using the DNA sample , how do you know whose DNA is whose ?
( I found this DNA , but how do I determine who it belongs to so I can return it ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I see a potential problem with that...Everyone is constantly leaving their DNA out in the public domain... (Hair, dead skin, saliva, etc.
)And, without actually trying to clone using the DNA sample, how do you know whose DNA is whose?
(I found this DNA, but how do I determine who it belongs to so I can return it?
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30150136</id>
	<title>Nothing happens</title>
	<author>dabbigj</author>
	<datestamp>1257076500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>&#205;slensk Erf&#240;agreining wich is the company that handles everything concerning the data and the research can not by law hand over the data to a second company.

Decode is the parent company of &#205;slensk Erf&#240;agreining.

A little bit of research would have gotten you the knowledge that they can only use the private and medical information that they have gotten in research purposes and can never hand it over.

This article just smells like fud to me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>  slensk Erf   agreining wich is the company that handles everything concerning the data and the research can not by law hand over the data to a second company .
Decode is the parent company of   slensk Erf   agreining .
A little bit of research would have gotten you the knowledge that they can only use the private and medical information that they have gotten in research purposes and can never hand it over .
This article just smells like fud to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Íslensk Erfðagreining wich is the company that handles everything concerning the data and the research can not by law hand over the data to a second company.
Decode is the parent company of Íslensk Erfðagreining.
A little bit of research would have gotten you the knowledge that they can only use the private and medical information that they have gotten in research purposes and can never hand it over.
This article just smells like fud to me.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30150514</id>
	<title>Re:This is why I protected myself</title>
	<author>MarkvW</author>
	<datestamp>1257078240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you licensed your DNA so carefully, then how did it end up at the crime scene?  and on the toilet? and on the barbershop floor?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you licensed your DNA so carefully , then how did it end up at the crime scene ?
and on the toilet ?
and on the barbershop floor ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you licensed your DNA so carefully, then how did it end up at the crime scene?
and on the toilet?
and on the barbershop floor?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30148510</id>
	<title>Why retain the data?</title>
	<author>failedlogic</author>
	<datestamp>1257069360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm wondering what their data retention policy is. I'm not sure about most companies or industries but AFAIK most businesses, financial companies and law firms are obligated to keep records for 7 to 10 years. Some might keep longer. Now I can understand if these guys want to keep the info for 2 year, in case there's an unsatisfied customer who wants their money back (for example, had test done elsewhere and theirs is different). If the retention policy of this industry permits indefinite, then there should be laws to protect customers including not only retention but sharing of information and proper deletion of records.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm wondering what their data retention policy is .
I 'm not sure about most companies or industries but AFAIK most businesses , financial companies and law firms are obligated to keep records for 7 to 10 years .
Some might keep longer .
Now I can understand if these guys want to keep the info for 2 year , in case there 's an unsatisfied customer who wants their money back ( for example , had test done elsewhere and theirs is different ) .
If the retention policy of this industry permits indefinite , then there should be laws to protect customers including not only retention but sharing of information and proper deletion of records .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm wondering what their data retention policy is.
I'm not sure about most companies or industries but AFAIK most businesses, financial companies and law firms are obligated to keep records for 7 to 10 years.
Some might keep longer.
Now I can understand if these guys want to keep the info for 2 year, in case there's an unsatisfied customer who wants their money back (for example, had test done elsewhere and theirs is different).
If the retention policy of this industry permits indefinite, then there should be laws to protect customers including not only retention but sharing of information and proper deletion of records.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30148458</id>
	<title>Anonymized data worth anything?</title>
	<author>WarJolt</author>
	<datestamp>1257069180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>But privacy advocates are concerned that Saga, whose primary interest is bottom-line profits, will opt to sell subscriber data &mdash; possibly in an anonymized form to researchers and pharmaceutical companies. Academic researchers have shown that anonymized data can be correlated with other data to identify people.</p></div><p>Once anonymized DNA data would become next to worthless. Hopefully there is a good privacy policy.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But privacy advocates are concerned that Saga , whose primary interest is bottom-line profits , will opt to sell subscriber data    possibly in an anonymized form to researchers and pharmaceutical companies .
Academic researchers have shown that anonymized data can be correlated with other data to identify people.Once anonymized DNA data would become next to worthless .
Hopefully there is a good privacy policy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But privacy advocates are concerned that Saga, whose primary interest is bottom-line profits, will opt to sell subscriber data — possibly in an anonymized form to researchers and pharmaceutical companies.
Academic researchers have shown that anonymized data can be correlated with other data to identify people.Once anonymized DNA data would become next to worthless.
Hopefully there is a good privacy policy.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30149050</id>
	<title>When Google Goes Bankrupt, Who Gets Your Data?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257071880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Think about it.</p><p>Yours In Yasnogorsk,<br>Kilgore Trout</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Think about it.Yours In Yasnogorsk,Kilgore Trout</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Think about it.Yours In Yasnogorsk,Kilgore Trout</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30157192</id>
	<title>Aye up people look sharp</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258648980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Saga Investments MUST be completely destroyed by any means at all what we can not have is some company making ANY claims whatsoever on our DNA so companies that are so painfully obviously out to make a fortune like Saga Investments must by default be given no chance of existance at all  and if that means a load of well offs go bump such is life it MUST happen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Saga Investments MUST be completely destroyed by any means at all what we can not have is some company making ANY claims whatsoever on our DNA so companies that are so painfully obviously out to make a fortune like Saga Investments must by default be given no chance of existance at all and if that means a load of well offs go bump such is life it MUST happen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Saga Investments MUST be completely destroyed by any means at all what we can not have is some company making ANY claims whatsoever on our DNA so companies that are so painfully obviously out to make a fortune like Saga Investments must by default be given no chance of existance at all  and if that means a load of well offs go bump such is life it MUST happen.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30149418</id>
	<title>The Stonecutters, of course!</title>
	<author>Foobar of Borg</author>
	<datestamp>1257073740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Who keeps the DNA database?<br>We do!<br>We do!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Who keeps the DNA database ? We do ! We do !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who keeps the DNA database?We do!We do!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30154182</id>
	<title>Re:A simple question</title>
	<author>bytta</author>
	<datestamp>1258626840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr><i>...including Dorrit Mousaieff, Iceland's first lady.</i> </p><p>If she's Icelands first lady, how did Icelanders procreate before she came along?</p></div><p>Ladies don't procreate all that much. Sluts do...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...including Dorrit Mousaieff , Iceland 's first lady .
If she 's Icelands first lady , how did Icelanders procreate before she came along ? Ladies do n't procreate all that much .
Sluts do.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...including Dorrit Mousaieff, Iceland's first lady.
If she's Icelands first lady, how did Icelanders procreate before she came along?Ladies don't procreate all that much.
Sluts do...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30149588</id>
	<title>Re:$5 says they...</title>
	<author>0100010001010011</author>
	<datestamp>1257074520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What good will that do in a <b>socialist</b> country like Iceland?</p><p>"Ah Ha! You have breast cancer in your family. You'll get the same free treatment as everyone else! Ah Ha!"</p><p><i>The Ministry of Health is responsible for the overall administration of health affairs and matters relating to health insurance.The health sector is regulated according to the Health Service Act of 2007 by which all inhabitants have right of access to the best possible health service at any given time for the protection of their mental, social and physical health. The main objectve of the Act on the Rights of Patients of 1997 is to ensure that there is no dicrimination against patients on grounds of gender, religion, beliefs, nationality, race, skin color, financial status, family relation or status in other respect.</i></p><p><i><b>The health service in Iceland is primarily financed by central government. Financing is mainly based on taxes or 85\% and 15\% is fee for service.</b></i></p><p><i>The country is divided into health care regions, each with their own primary health care centres, some of which are run jointly with the local community hospital. The primary health care centers have the responsibility for general treatment and care, examination, home nursing as well as preventive measures such as family planning, maternity care and child health care and school health care.</i></p><p><i>Hospitals in Iceland may be ranked as specialized teaching hospitals, general hospitals and community hospitals. <b>Hospitalization is free of charge. The specialized hospitals perform most operations and procedures in all specialist medical fields. The health service is staffed by trained and qualified professional groups.</b></i></p><p><i>Life expectancy in Iceland (2003) is among the highest in the world. Average life expectancy at birth for females is 82,5 years and for males 78,7 years. Infant mortality is among the lowest in the world, 2,4 per 1000 live births.</i></p><p>Good Reading: <a href="http://www.euro.who.int/document/e82881.pdf" title="who.int">http://www.euro.who.int/document/e82881.pdf</a> [who.int]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What good will that do in a socialist country like Iceland ?
" Ah Ha !
You have breast cancer in your family .
You 'll get the same free treatment as everyone else !
Ah Ha !
" The Ministry of Health is responsible for the overall administration of health affairs and matters relating to health insurance.The health sector is regulated according to the Health Service Act of 2007 by which all inhabitants have right of access to the best possible health service at any given time for the protection of their mental , social and physical health .
The main objectve of the Act on the Rights of Patients of 1997 is to ensure that there is no dicrimination against patients on grounds of gender , religion , beliefs , nationality , race , skin color , financial status , family relation or status in other respect.The health service in Iceland is primarily financed by central government .
Financing is mainly based on taxes or 85 \ % and 15 \ % is fee for service.The country is divided into health care regions , each with their own primary health care centres , some of which are run jointly with the local community hospital .
The primary health care centers have the responsibility for general treatment and care , examination , home nursing as well as preventive measures such as family planning , maternity care and child health care and school health care.Hospitals in Iceland may be ranked as specialized teaching hospitals , general hospitals and community hospitals .
Hospitalization is free of charge .
The specialized hospitals perform most operations and procedures in all specialist medical fields .
The health service is staffed by trained and qualified professional groups.Life expectancy in Iceland ( 2003 ) is among the highest in the world .
Average life expectancy at birth for females is 82,5 years and for males 78,7 years .
Infant mortality is among the lowest in the world , 2,4 per 1000 live births.Good Reading : http : //www.euro.who.int/document/e82881.pdf [ who.int ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What good will that do in a socialist country like Iceland?
"Ah Ha!
You have breast cancer in your family.
You'll get the same free treatment as everyone else!
Ah Ha!
"The Ministry of Health is responsible for the overall administration of health affairs and matters relating to health insurance.The health sector is regulated according to the Health Service Act of 2007 by which all inhabitants have right of access to the best possible health service at any given time for the protection of their mental, social and physical health.
The main objectve of the Act on the Rights of Patients of 1997 is to ensure that there is no dicrimination against patients on grounds of gender, religion, beliefs, nationality, race, skin color, financial status, family relation or status in other respect.The health service in Iceland is primarily financed by central government.
Financing is mainly based on taxes or 85\% and 15\% is fee for service.The country is divided into health care regions, each with their own primary health care centres, some of which are run jointly with the local community hospital.
The primary health care centers have the responsibility for general treatment and care, examination, home nursing as well as preventive measures such as family planning, maternity care and child health care and school health care.Hospitals in Iceland may be ranked as specialized teaching hospitals, general hospitals and community hospitals.
Hospitalization is free of charge.
The specialized hospitals perform most operations and procedures in all specialist medical fields.
The health service is staffed by trained and qualified professional groups.Life expectancy in Iceland (2003) is among the highest in the world.
Average life expectancy at birth for females is 82,5 years and for males 78,7 years.
Infant mortality is among the lowest in the world, 2,4 per 1000 live births.Good Reading: http://www.euro.who.int/document/e82881.pdf [who.int]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30160734</id>
	<title>Re:privacy</title>
	<author>gstoddart</author>
	<datestamp>1258659720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>So, it seems like the whole issue is moot unless the new owner wants to blast through a listed policy.</p></div></blockquote><p>I agree with you in principal -- it should already be precluded.</p><p><em>But</em>, if web-sites can retro-actively change their privacy policy, is there strong enough protection from existing laws to prevent the new owner from simply saying "these are our new terms" and doing it anyway?  My guess is it's a sufficiently gray area that by the time you got a court to rule on it, it would simply be too damned late.</p><p>Heck, given the propensity for agencies like the CIA to simply <em>buy</em> information from private companies they would not be legally allowed to collect, what's to stop that from happening?</p><p>Not to sound too much like a member of the tin-foil-hat brigade, I can see transfer of ownership of this data entering into some pretty murky legal areas.</p><p>Cheers</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So , it seems like the whole issue is moot unless the new owner wants to blast through a listed policy.I agree with you in principal -- it should already be precluded.But , if web-sites can retro-actively change their privacy policy , is there strong enough protection from existing laws to prevent the new owner from simply saying " these are our new terms " and doing it anyway ?
My guess is it 's a sufficiently gray area that by the time you got a court to rule on it , it would simply be too damned late.Heck , given the propensity for agencies like the CIA to simply buy information from private companies they would not be legally allowed to collect , what 's to stop that from happening ? Not to sound too much like a member of the tin-foil-hat brigade , I can see transfer of ownership of this data entering into some pretty murky legal areas.Cheers</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, it seems like the whole issue is moot unless the new owner wants to blast through a listed policy.I agree with you in principal -- it should already be precluded.But, if web-sites can retro-actively change their privacy policy, is there strong enough protection from existing laws to prevent the new owner from simply saying "these are our new terms" and doing it anyway?
My guess is it's a sufficiently gray area that by the time you got a court to rule on it, it would simply be too damned late.Heck, given the propensity for agencies like the CIA to simply buy information from private companies they would not be legally allowed to collect, what's to stop that from happening?Not to sound too much like a member of the tin-foil-hat brigade, I can see transfer of ownership of this data entering into some pretty murky legal areas.Cheers
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30148696</id>
	<title>Re:Time for an Amendment?</title>
	<author>Bakkster</author>
	<datestamp>1257070140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>&ldquo;This clearly introduces a layer of uncertainty beyond what people expected when they signed up,&rdquo; she told the Times. &ldquo;People do need to double check what they are signing up to. These companies often use broad consent, and I worry whether people know what their data might be used for in the long term.&rdquo;</p></div><p>Personally I feel like your genetic information is always YOUR data.  Call it a biological copyright if you wish.  There's only one you, and you inherited the code used to make you.</p></div><p>It belongs to you and only you.  And your maternal twin.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>   This clearly introduces a layer of uncertainty beyond what people expected when they signed up ,    she told the Times .
   People do need to double check what they are signing up to .
These companies often use broad consent , and I worry whether people know what their data might be used for in the long term.    Personally I feel like your genetic information is always YOUR data .
Call it a biological copyright if you wish .
There 's only one you , and you inherited the code used to make you.It belongs to you and only you .
And your maternal twin .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>“This clearly introduces a layer of uncertainty beyond what people expected when they signed up,” she told the Times.
“People do need to double check what they are signing up to.
These companies often use broad consent, and I worry whether people know what their data might be used for in the long term.”Personally I feel like your genetic information is always YOUR data.
Call it a biological copyright if you wish.
There's only one you, and you inherited the code used to make you.It belongs to you and only you.
And your maternal twin.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30152262</id>
	<title>Re:$5 says they...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257089040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The insurance companies have been shown as consistently instituting retroactive denial of coverage and other ethical lapses.<br>Given the chance to see someone's DNA and predict their health, the odds of them getting cancer or a heart attack would be a tremendous monetary benefit.<br>There is a movie along these same lines called "Gattaca" which gets into determining someones career based on their  genetics.<br>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119177/?c=1</p><p>So why wouldn't an insurance company use this information because it is not illegal and it would save them money.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The insurance companies have been shown as consistently instituting retroactive denial of coverage and other ethical lapses.Given the chance to see someone 's DNA and predict their health , the odds of them getting cancer or a heart attack would be a tremendous monetary benefit.There is a movie along these same lines called " Gattaca " which gets into determining someones career based on their genetics.http : //www.imdb.com/title/tt0119177/ ? c = 1So why would n't an insurance company use this information because it is not illegal and it would save them money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The insurance companies have been shown as consistently instituting retroactive denial of coverage and other ethical lapses.Given the chance to see someone's DNA and predict their health, the odds of them getting cancer or a heart attack would be a tremendous monetary benefit.There is a movie along these same lines called "Gattaca" which gets into determining someones career based on their  genetics.http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119177/?c=1So why wouldn't an insurance company use this information because it is not illegal and it would save them money.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30149994</id>
	<title>Won't be sold, bills to be issued instead</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257076020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They won't be selling the data, they will instead be sending each new "customer" a bill each month to cover the expenses these "customers" incur every time their body cells divide and infringe on the DCMA rights of the new owners of their genetic code.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They wo n't be selling the data , they will instead be sending each new " customer " a bill each month to cover the expenses these " customers " incur every time their body cells divide and infringe on the DCMA rights of the new owners of their genetic code .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They won't be selling the data, they will instead be sending each new "customer" a bill each month to cover the expenses these "customers" incur every time their body cells divide and infringe on the DCMA rights of the new owners of their genetic code.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30150184</id>
	<title>Re:This is why I protected myself</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257076740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; I dare them to clone me.</p><p>Y'know, some people would then clone you just because they wanted the dinosaur, not you.</p><p>Well, people other than Randal, maybe...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; I dare them to clone me.Y'know , some people would then clone you just because they wanted the dinosaur , not you.Well , people other than Randal , maybe.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; I dare them to clone me.Y'know, some people would then clone you just because they wanted the dinosaur, not you.Well, people other than Randal, maybe...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30149048</id>
	<title>Re:Love it...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257071880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If I remember correctly laws about personal data directories are VERY strict in the EU...

<a href="http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:31995L0046:EN:HTML" title="europa.eu">http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:31995L0046:EN:HTML</a> [europa.eu]</htmltext>
<tokenext>If I remember correctly laws about personal data directories are VERY strict in the EU.. . http : //eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do ? uri = CELEX : 31995L0046 : EN : HTML [ europa.eu ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I remember correctly laws about personal data directories are VERY strict in the EU...

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:31995L0046:EN:HTML [europa.eu]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30148442</id>
	<title>The laws are in place.</title>
	<author>HNS-I</author>
	<datestamp>1257069060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you can't sell, destroy the data, if you can sell the business should continue it's privacy policy. By law we can(/should) be able to trust that the next owner does not use the data for malicious practices; even if the stakeholder would be a health insurance company.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you ca n't sell , destroy the data , if you can sell the business should continue it 's privacy policy .
By law we can ( /should ) be able to trust that the next owner does not use the data for malicious practices ; even if the stakeholder would be a health insurance company .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you can't sell, destroy the data, if you can sell the business should continue it's privacy policy.
By law we can(/should) be able to trust that the next owner does not use the data for malicious practices; even if the stakeholder would be a health insurance company.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30148748</id>
	<title>Re:privacy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257070380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>From the DE code site:<blockquote><div><p>The user owns their genetic data and therefore we do not keep the data locked from the user in the deCODEme website. Users are free to download the genotypes from the Genetic Scan, however, we urge them to ensure the security of the data once it is on their computer, e.g. by encrypting the data file.</p></div></blockquote><p>
So, it seems like the whole issue is moot unless the new owner wants to blast through a listed policy.  A client's 'personal data' is somewhat more at risk:</p><blockquote><div><p> User attributes, public or private, will be used by deCODE only to gather statistical aggregate information about the users of the deCODEme website. Such analysis may include, but is not limited to; counting the number of users grouped by age, or associating genetic variants with any of the self reported user attributes. In the process of presenting any such statistical information, deCODE will ensure that users identities are not exposed.

deCODE may disclose your personal information only if we believe such action is necessary to: comply with the law or legal process served upon deCODE or to protect and defend the rights or property of deCODE in relation to your agreement with deCODEme. Except for the above, deCODE will under no circumstances provide any 3'rd party, including insurance companies, health management organizations, hospitals, and government agencies, access to any of your personal data or data derived from your samples, unless you grant us an explicit authorization in your privacy settings.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Not much see here, move along.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From the DE code site : The user owns their genetic data and therefore we do not keep the data locked from the user in the deCODEme website .
Users are free to download the genotypes from the Genetic Scan , however , we urge them to ensure the security of the data once it is on their computer , e.g .
by encrypting the data file .
So , it seems like the whole issue is moot unless the new owner wants to blast through a listed policy .
A client 's 'personal data ' is somewhat more at risk : User attributes , public or private , will be used by deCODE only to gather statistical aggregate information about the users of the deCODEme website .
Such analysis may include , but is not limited to ; counting the number of users grouped by age , or associating genetic variants with any of the self reported user attributes .
In the process of presenting any such statistical information , deCODE will ensure that users identities are not exposed .
deCODE may disclose your personal information only if we believe such action is necessary to : comply with the law or legal process served upon deCODE or to protect and defend the rights or property of deCODE in relation to your agreement with deCODEme .
Except for the above , deCODE will under no circumstances provide any 3'rd party , including insurance companies , health management organizations , hospitals , and government agencies , access to any of your personal data or data derived from your samples , unless you grant us an explicit authorization in your privacy settings .
Not much see here , move along .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the DE code site:The user owns their genetic data and therefore we do not keep the data locked from the user in the deCODEme website.
Users are free to download the genotypes from the Genetic Scan, however, we urge them to ensure the security of the data once it is on their computer, e.g.
by encrypting the data file.
So, it seems like the whole issue is moot unless the new owner wants to blast through a listed policy.
A client's 'personal data' is somewhat more at risk: User attributes, public or private, will be used by deCODE only to gather statistical aggregate information about the users of the deCODEme website.
Such analysis may include, but is not limited to; counting the number of users grouped by age, or associating genetic variants with any of the self reported user attributes.
In the process of presenting any such statistical information, deCODE will ensure that users identities are not exposed.
deCODE may disclose your personal information only if we believe such action is necessary to: comply with the law or legal process served upon deCODE or to protect and defend the rights or property of deCODE in relation to your agreement with deCODEme.
Except for the above, deCODE will under no circumstances provide any 3'rd party, including insurance companies, health management organizations, hospitals, and government agencies, access to any of your personal data or data derived from your samples, unless you grant us an explicit authorization in your privacy settings.
Not much see here, move along.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30157370</id>
	<title>Re:This is why I protected myself</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258649520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have you heard about the new DARPA project to clone you?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you heard about the new DARPA project to clone you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you heard about the new DARPA project to clone you?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30150128</id>
	<title>Re:Love it...</title>
	<author>greed</author>
	<datestamp>1257076500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
The phrase you're looking for is "vendor lock-in".  You can only access your files and your data with The Chosen And Approved Tools.
</p><p>
And, frankly, once your company was on the annual maintenance bus, there's no way the vendor would want to provide extra features, like generic export... they know you're screwed if you try to leave.
</p><p>
Occasionally, that tactic fails, and they lose a maintenance stream.  But it usually works.  Especially if the next software release has Magic Special Feature everyone at the client site wants.  (Which will need all new servers, and upgraded workstations, and more SAN, and better networking, and when you finally get it deployed, you'll find out they lied right at your C?O's face.  Again.  And yet he's not held accountable for continuing to pay for their crap.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The phrase you 're looking for is " vendor lock-in " .
You can only access your files and your data with The Chosen And Approved Tools .
And , frankly , once your company was on the annual maintenance bus , there 's no way the vendor would want to provide extra features , like generic export... they know you 're screwed if you try to leave .
Occasionally , that tactic fails , and they lose a maintenance stream .
But it usually works .
Especially if the next software release has Magic Special Feature everyone at the client site wants .
( Which will need all new servers , and upgraded workstations , and more SAN , and better networking , and when you finally get it deployed , you 'll find out they lied right at your C ? O 's face .
Again. And yet he 's not held accountable for continuing to pay for their crap .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
The phrase you're looking for is "vendor lock-in".
You can only access your files and your data with The Chosen And Approved Tools.
And, frankly, once your company was on the annual maintenance bus, there's no way the vendor would want to provide extra features, like generic export... they know you're screwed if you try to leave.
Occasionally, that tactic fails, and they lose a maintenance stream.
But it usually works.
Especially if the next software release has Magic Special Feature everyone at the client site wants.
(Which will need all new servers, and upgraded workstations, and more SAN, and better networking, and when you finally get it deployed, you'll find out they lied right at your C?O's face.
Again.  And yet he's not held accountable for continuing to pay for their crap.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30153876</id>
	<title>Re:Time for an Amendment?</title>
	<author>Dan541</author>
	<datestamp>1258621800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So sue for copyright infringement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So sue for copyright infringement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So sue for copyright infringement.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30150254</id>
	<title>Nonsense</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257077040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Should your cells ever divide, you will be in violation of the DCMA unauthorized copy restrictions, without out first obtaining licensing approval.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Should your cells ever divide , you will be in violation of the DCMA unauthorized copy restrictions , without out first obtaining licensing approval .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Should your cells ever divide, you will be in violation of the DCMA unauthorized copy restrictions, without out first obtaining licensing approval.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30148362</id>
	<title>$5 says they...</title>
	<author>DomNF15</author>
	<datestamp>1257068700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>sell the customer data to some health insurance company.</htmltext>
<tokenext>sell the customer data to some health insurance company .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>sell the customer data to some health insurance company.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30148572</id>
	<title>I think I just found them listed on ebay.</title>
	<author>Schickeneder</author>
	<datestamp>1257069540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously, that's a good way to make easy money. Auction off your genome!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , that 's a good way to make easy money .
Auction off your genome !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, that's a good way to make easy money.
Auction off your genome!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30148518</id>
	<title>Re:$5 says they...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257069360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hey, if it's good enough for libertarians, it's good enough for all of us!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey , if it 's good enough for libertarians , it 's good enough for all of us !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey, if it's good enough for libertarians, it's good enough for all of us!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30149806</id>
	<title>A ghost from authors past...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257075300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can hear Michael Crichton turning in his grave and shouting: "Next!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can hear Michael Crichton turning in his grave and shouting : " Next !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can hear Michael Crichton turning in his grave and shouting: "Next!
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30150802</id>
	<title>Re:Time for an Amendment?</title>
	<author>jc42</author>
	<datestamp>1257079860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>There's only one you, and you inherited the code used to make you.</p><blockquote><div><p>It belongs to you and only you. And your maternal twin.</p></div></blockquote></div> </blockquote><p>Heh.  I'll assume you meant <i>fraternal</i> twin.</p><p>A few years ago, I read a interesting article (which I probably can't find any more) that among other things calculated the probability that there were pairs of "unrelated" humans with identical DNA.  From what was known of DNA variability in humans, they calculated that there were between roughly 100,000 and 1,000,000 such pairs of "pseudo-twins" in the world, born to different parents but having identical DNA.</p><p>If we could find them, they would usually turn out to be distant relatives, of course, with common grandparents N times removed.  At least their ancestors would probably come from the same part(s) of the world. But in many cases, the common ancestors would be so remote that they couldn't be determined from existing birth records.</p><p>Even more years ago, I remember reading a novel in which two of the characters were "anti-twins", born from the same parents, but with no shared chromosomes.  The probability of this is a lot higher than the above number.  I'll leave the calculation as an exercise for the reader.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's only one you , and you inherited the code used to make you.It belongs to you and only you .
And your maternal twin .
Heh. I 'll assume you meant fraternal twin.A few years ago , I read a interesting article ( which I probably ca n't find any more ) that among other things calculated the probability that there were pairs of " unrelated " humans with identical DNA .
From what was known of DNA variability in humans , they calculated that there were between roughly 100,000 and 1,000,000 such pairs of " pseudo-twins " in the world , born to different parents but having identical DNA.If we could find them , they would usually turn out to be distant relatives , of course , with common grandparents N times removed .
At least their ancestors would probably come from the same part ( s ) of the world .
But in many cases , the common ancestors would be so remote that they could n't be determined from existing birth records.Even more years ago , I remember reading a novel in which two of the characters were " anti-twins " , born from the same parents , but with no shared chromosomes .
The probability of this is a lot higher than the above number .
I 'll leave the calculation as an exercise for the reader .
; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's only one you, and you inherited the code used to make you.It belongs to you and only you.
And your maternal twin.
Heh.  I'll assume you meant fraternal twin.A few years ago, I read a interesting article (which I probably can't find any more) that among other things calculated the probability that there were pairs of "unrelated" humans with identical DNA.
From what was known of DNA variability in humans, they calculated that there were between roughly 100,000 and 1,000,000 such pairs of "pseudo-twins" in the world, born to different parents but having identical DNA.If we could find them, they would usually turn out to be distant relatives, of course, with common grandparents N times removed.
At least their ancestors would probably come from the same part(s) of the world.
But in many cases, the common ancestors would be so remote that they couldn't be determined from existing birth records.Even more years ago, I remember reading a novel in which two of the characters were "anti-twins", born from the same parents, but with no shared chromosomes.
The probability of this is a lot higher than the above number.
I'll leave the calculation as an exercise for the reader.
;-)
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	<title>Re:Destroy and burn them.</title>
	<author>jandersen</author>
	<datestamp>1258646400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Clearly, the answer is that any samples and documentation should be destroyed</p></div><p>Clearly, you have overlooked the fact that we are talking about private companies here. What happens when a company goes bust? Another company buys it and its stock - in this case the DNA profiles etc. What did you expect? When you deal with private companies that is the way it is; which is why it would probably be better if it was handled by a public authority - they are after all somewhat accuntable to the public, and they don't go bankrupt so often.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Clearly , the answer is that any samples and documentation should be destroyedClearly , you have overlooked the fact that we are talking about private companies here .
What happens when a company goes bust ?
Another company buys it and its stock - in this case the DNA profiles etc .
What did you expect ?
When you deal with private companies that is the way it is ; which is why it would probably be better if it was handled by a public authority - they are after all somewhat accuntable to the public , and they do n't go bankrupt so often .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Clearly, the answer is that any samples and documentation should be destroyedClearly, you have overlooked the fact that we are talking about private companies here.
What happens when a company goes bust?
Another company buys it and its stock - in this case the DNA profiles etc.
What did you expect?
When you deal with private companies that is the way it is; which is why it would probably be better if it was handled by a public authority - they are after all somewhat accuntable to the public, and they don't go bankrupt so often.
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	<title>Re:Love it...</title>
	<author>jc42</author>
	<datestamp>1257083280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>In a previous job we got rid of a proprietary system because we moved to a new one. No one thought about all the old records during this transaction. Well, we had access the the DB, but it was coded in such a way that the fields were a jumble of crap and would have taken forever to pull apart to get the records. I asked the proprietary company if they had a way to dump the records to PDF for easy reading and storage. Nope... This company was in business for 7+ years and they had no way to mass export records?</i></p><p>Of course.  The vendors do that all the time, to lock customers into their products.  It's no accident at all.</p><p>I've worked on several projects like this.  Cracking the data using printouts (billing, customer notices, etc.) messy, ad-hoc coding.  But if a company wants to pay the sort of hackers who know how to do it (naming no names<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-), you can usually get almost all the data out this way.</p><p>One funny thing I've found is that after a short time, the DB experts - even the ones being paid by IBM or Microsoft - are usually rather friendly, and cooperate in finding ways to get the data out in some readable format.  I think it's because people who work a lot at customer sites end up being very sympathetic with the customers' problems, and don't have a lot of respect for the tricks their employers have used against the customers.  But that's just my experience; others may have found a lot less cooperation.</p><p>I've usually felt relief when those jobs became "previous jobs".<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In a previous job we got rid of a proprietary system because we moved to a new one .
No one thought about all the old records during this transaction .
Well , we had access the the DB , but it was coded in such a way that the fields were a jumble of crap and would have taken forever to pull apart to get the records .
I asked the proprietary company if they had a way to dump the records to PDF for easy reading and storage .
Nope... This company was in business for 7 + years and they had no way to mass export records ? Of course .
The vendors do that all the time , to lock customers into their products .
It 's no accident at all.I 've worked on several projects like this .
Cracking the data using printouts ( billing , customer notices , etc .
) messy , ad-hoc coding .
But if a company wants to pay the sort of hackers who know how to do it ( naming no names ; - ) , you can usually get almost all the data out this way.One funny thing I 've found is that after a short time , the DB experts - even the ones being paid by IBM or Microsoft - are usually rather friendly , and cooperate in finding ways to get the data out in some readable format .
I think it 's because people who work a lot at customer sites end up being very sympathetic with the customers ' problems , and do n't have a lot of respect for the tricks their employers have used against the customers .
But that 's just my experience ; others may have found a lot less cooperation.I 've usually felt relief when those jobs became " previous jobs " .
; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In a previous job we got rid of a proprietary system because we moved to a new one.
No one thought about all the old records during this transaction.
Well, we had access the the DB, but it was coded in such a way that the fields were a jumble of crap and would have taken forever to pull apart to get the records.
I asked the proprietary company if they had a way to dump the records to PDF for easy reading and storage.
Nope... This company was in business for 7+ years and they had no way to mass export records?Of course.
The vendors do that all the time, to lock customers into their products.
It's no accident at all.I've worked on several projects like this.
Cracking the data using printouts (billing, customer notices, etc.
) messy, ad-hoc coding.
But if a company wants to pay the sort of hackers who know how to do it (naming no names ;-), you can usually get almost all the data out this way.One funny thing I've found is that after a short time, the DB experts - even the ones being paid by IBM or Microsoft - are usually rather friendly, and cooperate in finding ways to get the data out in some readable format.
I think it's because people who work a lot at customer sites end up being very sympathetic with the customers' problems, and don't have a lot of respect for the tricks their employers have used against the customers.
But that's just my experience; others may have found a lot less cooperation.I've usually felt relief when those jobs became "previous jobs".
;-)</sentencetext>
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	<title>Information wants to be free!</title>
	<author>MarkvW</author>
	<datestamp>1257069180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>DNA information and it wants to be free--just like Hollywood movies, Britney Spears songs, and videogames!  Let it be free!!</p><p>I can see the future now:  The Pirate Bay of Cloning Data!!</p><p>As Alfred E. Newman once said:  "What, me worry?"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>DNA information and it wants to be free--just like Hollywood movies , Britney Spears songs , and videogames !
Let it be free !
! I can see the future now : The Pirate Bay of Cloning Data !
! As Alfred E. Newman once said : " What , me worry ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DNA information and it wants to be free--just like Hollywood movies, Britney Spears songs, and videogames!
Let it be free!
!I can see the future now:  The Pirate Bay of Cloning Data!
!As Alfred E. Newman once said:  "What, me worry?
"</sentencetext>
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	<title>Love it...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257069060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Businesses are so concerned with making money they dont think ahead.  In a previous job we got rid of a proprietary system because we moved to a new one.  No one thought about all the old records during this transaction. Well, we had access the the DB, but it was coded in such a way that the fields were a jumble of crap and would have taken forever to pull apart to get the records.  I asked the proprietary company if they had a way to dump the records to PDF for easy reading and storage.  Nope...  This company was in business for 7+ years and they had no way to mass export records?  They developed a half assed way to get it done, and I had to come up with a solution for the slack they left.  So, not only did my company not think of this before hand, neither did the proprietary company.  It is no surprise this company did the same   Why does no one even consider this as a possibility? Companies dont last forever, so why has no one even considered this?  The people that have their DNA at the company are now subject to the whim of whatever happens because it is guaranteed their contracts do not state "if we go under, your data will be destroyed".

Good game people, good game.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Businesses are so concerned with making money they dont think ahead .
In a previous job we got rid of a proprietary system because we moved to a new one .
No one thought about all the old records during this transaction .
Well , we had access the the DB , but it was coded in such a way that the fields were a jumble of crap and would have taken forever to pull apart to get the records .
I asked the proprietary company if they had a way to dump the records to PDF for easy reading and storage .
Nope... This company was in business for 7 + years and they had no way to mass export records ?
They developed a half assed way to get it done , and I had to come up with a solution for the slack they left .
So , not only did my company not think of this before hand , neither did the proprietary company .
It is no surprise this company did the same Why does no one even consider this as a possibility ?
Companies dont last forever , so why has no one even considered this ?
The people that have their DNA at the company are now subject to the whim of whatever happens because it is guaranteed their contracts do not state " if we go under , your data will be destroyed " .
Good game people , good game .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Businesses are so concerned with making money they dont think ahead.
In a previous job we got rid of a proprietary system because we moved to a new one.
No one thought about all the old records during this transaction.
Well, we had access the the DB, but it was coded in such a way that the fields were a jumble of crap and would have taken forever to pull apart to get the records.
I asked the proprietary company if they had a way to dump the records to PDF for easy reading and storage.
Nope...  This company was in business for 7+ years and they had no way to mass export records?
They developed a half assed way to get it done, and I had to come up with a solution for the slack they left.
So, not only did my company not think of this before hand, neither did the proprietary company.
It is no surprise this company did the same   Why does no one even consider this as a possibility?
Companies dont last forever, so why has no one even considered this?
The people that have their DNA at the company are now subject to the whim of whatever happens because it is guaranteed their contracts do not state "if we go under, your data will be destroyed".
Good game people, good game.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_208251.30149996</id>
	<title>Raising BS Concerns</title>
	<author>DynaSoar</author>
	<datestamp>1257076020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>" raising privacy concerns " is a ubiquitous trigger cliche tossed out by people who want to inflame and enrage. It is as hollow as 'raising awareness' because neither are things that are raised, they are things you become, or become more so.</p><p>In this case, the persons or agents raising 'concern' are Wired and Times, who just might want readers so they can get ad money, and a lawyer that specializes in genomics, who just might want to attract clients for a law suit from which he'll collect big time (despite the fact that the as yet imaginary court battle would be over IP and privacy, neither of which are related to genomics). Oh, and a spokescritter from a group dedicated to watching tech and waving their arms, calling out 'Danger, Will Robinson' any time they can pretend something technological might be involved in anything that they can yell about and hope those who notice will join up and pay dues -- oh yes, so they can collect some cash too.</p><p>TFA states specifically who has the data and what they can and cannot do with it. In purchasing the assets of DeCODE, Saga is bound by law to protect the data. Despite this clear statement, the writers see fit to have "privacy advocates", that is, people who appoint themselves to speak on others' behalf without asking them, be 'concerned' that Saga will do this anyway.</p><p>In other words, the only people for whom this is an issue have a vested (ie. financial) interest in there being an issue, many of which have no relationship or arrangement with the persons whose data in involved in this imaginary 'concern' beyond their imaginary right to speak for those individuals.</p><p>I call BS on the bunch of them. There's not a single DeCODE client among them*. The only person interviewed who is actually involved is the CEO of DeCODE, who knows what needs to be done and is doing it. Not even Iceland's first lady is concerned, and wouldn't even be involved in this imaginary issue if it weren't for the fact that the Wired writer knew her premise was weak without an actual imaginary victim, so she dug until she found someone who was a client and tossed her name out in close proximity to concocted claims about privacy and such in order to lend the color of legitimacy to an otherwise transparent FUD spew.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" raising privacy concerns " is a ubiquitous trigger cliche tossed out by people who want to inflame and enrage .
It is as hollow as 'raising awareness ' because neither are things that are raised , they are things you become , or become more so.In this case , the persons or agents raising 'concern ' are Wired and Times , who just might want readers so they can get ad money , and a lawyer that specializes in genomics , who just might want to attract clients for a law suit from which he 'll collect big time ( despite the fact that the as yet imaginary court battle would be over IP and privacy , neither of which are related to genomics ) .
Oh , and a spokescritter from a group dedicated to watching tech and waving their arms , calling out 'Danger , Will Robinson ' any time they can pretend something technological might be involved in anything that they can yell about and hope those who notice will join up and pay dues -- oh yes , so they can collect some cash too.TFA states specifically who has the data and what they can and can not do with it .
In purchasing the assets of DeCODE , Saga is bound by law to protect the data .
Despite this clear statement , the writers see fit to have " privacy advocates " , that is , people who appoint themselves to speak on others ' behalf without asking them , be 'concerned ' that Saga will do this anyway.In other words , the only people for whom this is an issue have a vested ( ie .
financial ) interest in there being an issue , many of which have no relationship or arrangement with the persons whose data in involved in this imaginary 'concern ' beyond their imaginary right to speak for those individuals.I call BS on the bunch of them .
There 's not a single DeCODE client among them * .
The only person interviewed who is actually involved is the CEO of DeCODE , who knows what needs to be done and is doing it .
Not even Iceland 's first lady is concerned , and would n't even be involved in this imaginary issue if it were n't for the fact that the Wired writer knew her premise was weak without an actual imaginary victim , so she dug until she found someone who was a client and tossed her name out in close proximity to concocted claims about privacy and such in order to lend the color of legitimacy to an otherwise transparent FUD spew .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>" raising privacy concerns " is a ubiquitous trigger cliche tossed out by people who want to inflame and enrage.
It is as hollow as 'raising awareness' because neither are things that are raised, they are things you become, or become more so.In this case, the persons or agents raising 'concern' are Wired and Times, who just might want readers so they can get ad money, and a lawyer that specializes in genomics, who just might want to attract clients for a law suit from which he'll collect big time (despite the fact that the as yet imaginary court battle would be over IP and privacy, neither of which are related to genomics).
Oh, and a spokescritter from a group dedicated to watching tech and waving their arms, calling out 'Danger, Will Robinson' any time they can pretend something technological might be involved in anything that they can yell about and hope those who notice will join up and pay dues -- oh yes, so they can collect some cash too.TFA states specifically who has the data and what they can and cannot do with it.
In purchasing the assets of DeCODE, Saga is bound by law to protect the data.
Despite this clear statement, the writers see fit to have "privacy advocates", that is, people who appoint themselves to speak on others' behalf without asking them, be 'concerned' that Saga will do this anyway.In other words, the only people for whom this is an issue have a vested (ie.
financial) interest in there being an issue, many of which have no relationship or arrangement with the persons whose data in involved in this imaginary 'concern' beyond their imaginary right to speak for those individuals.I call BS on the bunch of them.
There's not a single DeCODE client among them*.
The only person interviewed who is actually involved is the CEO of DeCODE, who knows what needs to be done and is doing it.
Not even Iceland's first lady is concerned, and wouldn't even be involved in this imaginary issue if it weren't for the fact that the Wired writer knew her premise was weak without an actual imaginary victim, so she dug until she found someone who was a client and tossed her name out in close proximity to concocted claims about privacy and such in order to lend the color of legitimacy to an otherwise transparent FUD spew.</sentencetext>
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