<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_18_1816247</id>
	<title>Samsung Sponsors the Development of Enlightenment</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1258568760000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"The Enlightenment window manager project has shared on its website that it  <a href="http://www.enlightenment.org/p.php?p=news/show&amp;l=en&amp;news\_id=17">now has the backing of a major (top-five) electronics manufacturer</a> that will be actively sponsoring the project and using Enlightenment on its devices. No manufacturer was named, but Phoronix has dug deeper and found out that <a href="http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news\_item&amp;px=NzcxNQ">Samsung is sponsoring Enlightenment</a>. Phoronix provides independent confirmation along with citing a new Enlightenment program that Samsung sponsored and then released under the LGPL-3. They also have videos of some of the new work to this window manager that Samsung funded."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " The Enlightenment window manager project has shared on its website that it now has the backing of a major ( top-five ) electronics manufacturer that will be actively sponsoring the project and using Enlightenment on its devices .
No manufacturer was named , but Phoronix has dug deeper and found out that Samsung is sponsoring Enlightenment .
Phoronix provides independent confirmation along with citing a new Enlightenment program that Samsung sponsored and then released under the LGPL-3 .
They also have videos of some of the new work to this window manager that Samsung funded .
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<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "The Enlightenment window manager project has shared on its website that it  now has the backing of a major (top-five) electronics manufacturer that will be actively sponsoring the project and using Enlightenment on its devices.
No manufacturer was named, but Phoronix has dug deeper and found out that Samsung is sponsoring Enlightenment.
Phoronix provides independent confirmation along with citing a new Enlightenment program that Samsung sponsored and then released under the LGPL-3.
They also have videos of some of the new work to this window manager that Samsung funded.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30153388</id>
	<title>So what about end programs?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257101640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Must they be coded to be compatible with a specific winsys/manager/DE, or are they portable across all of the Linux GUI elements?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Must they be coded to be compatible with a specific winsys/manager/DE , or are they portable across all of the Linux GUI elements ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Must they be coded to be compatible with a specific winsys/manager/DE, or are they portable across all of the Linux GUI elements?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30146750</id>
	<title>Seems Obvious</title>
	<author>Deliveranc3</author>
	<datestamp>1257103800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Samsung is awesome, so is enlightenment.<br> <br> It's like Fluxbox in terms of resource use (and unfortunately on flashy little GUI indicators) but looks amazing!<br> <br> Kudos on this! Let's get windows management handled! It's been so many years of updates on something that should have been handled by now!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Samsung is awesome , so is enlightenment .
It 's like Fluxbox in terms of resource use ( and unfortunately on flashy little GUI indicators ) but looks amazing !
Kudos on this !
Let 's get windows management handled !
It 's been so many years of updates on something that should have been handled by now !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Samsung is awesome, so is enlightenment.
It's like Fluxbox in terms of resource use (and unfortunately on flashy little GUI indicators) but looks amazing!
Kudos on this!
Let's get windows management handled!
It's been so many years of updates on something that should have been handled by now!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30148260</id>
	<title>Re:LGPL-3?</title>
	<author>redstar427</author>
	<datestamp>1257068220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Enlightment is BSD licensed.  You can't just change it to LGPL-3.</p></div><p>Sure I can.  I can use my text editor, remove all the BSD License words, and paste in the other license.<br>Done! See?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Enlightment is BSD licensed .
You ca n't just change it to LGPL-3.Sure I can .
I can use my text editor , remove all the BSD License words , and paste in the other license.Done !
See ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Enlightment is BSD licensed.
You can't just change it to LGPL-3.Sure I can.
I can use my text editor, remove all the BSD License words, and paste in the other license.Done!
See?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30147670</id>
	<title>Re:Excellent!</title>
	<author>Monkeedude1212</author>
	<datestamp>1257108180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I suppose thats all dependant on whether E17 will come out at all.</p><p>Duke Nukem Forever will never come out.</p><p>You DO know the Development team at <a href="http://www.3drealms.com/" title="3drealms.com">3D Realms</a> [3drealms.com] got sacked for not producing a game, right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I suppose thats all dependant on whether E17 will come out at all.Duke Nukem Forever will never come out.You DO know the Development team at 3D Realms [ 3drealms.com ] got sacked for not producing a game , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suppose thats all dependant on whether E17 will come out at all.Duke Nukem Forever will never come out.You DO know the Development team at 3D Realms [3drealms.com] got sacked for not producing a game, right?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30152572</id>
	<title>Re:I've always liked enlightenment.</title>
	<author>Eskarel</author>
	<datestamp>1257092220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They were very innovative. However as has been said in other posts, they've gotten caught in an innovation trap and have been essentially releasing nothing but small bug fixes for close to a decade now. For all intents and purposes the enlightenment you used on SuSe 6.3 is exactly the same as the on they've currently got in stable release.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They were very innovative .
However as has been said in other posts , they 've gotten caught in an innovation trap and have been essentially releasing nothing but small bug fixes for close to a decade now .
For all intents and purposes the enlightenment you used on SuSe 6.3 is exactly the same as the on they 've currently got in stable release .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They were very innovative.
However as has been said in other posts, they've gotten caught in an innovation trap and have been essentially releasing nothing but small bug fixes for close to a decade now.
For all intents and purposes the enlightenment you used on SuSe 6.3 is exactly the same as the on they've currently got in stable release.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30148432</id>
	<title>Re:Windowmaker and GNUstep</title>
	<author>idiotnot</author>
	<datestamp>1257069000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think GNUstep's problem is that porting between GNUstep and OSX keeps getting more difficult.  Apple well-documented OpenStep, and it stayed static for a very long time (~10 years).  OSX, on the other hand, keeps changing, and is becoming increasingly hardware-dependent since 10.2.  Quartz, CoreGraphics, CoreData, etc. etc. all break backwards-compatibility.  Many of the new features are also offloaded to hardware.  Apple's attitude used to be that if you didn't have new hardware, the new whiz-bang stuff just wouldn't work for you, and your system would look/feel much the same as it did under the previous version.  Not so these days....</p><p>As for WindowMaker, it's a legacy WM, I think.  When I used to use GNUstep extensively (a few years ago), they were already seriously looking at things to replace it.  <a href="http://etoileos.com/etoile/" title="etoileos.com">Etoile</a> [etoileos.com] (a cutting-edge GNUstep environment/in-development-distro) now uses Azalia, which is distantly-related to WindowMaker.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think GNUstep 's problem is that porting between GNUstep and OSX keeps getting more difficult .
Apple well-documented OpenStep , and it stayed static for a very long time ( ~ 10 years ) .
OSX , on the other hand , keeps changing , and is becoming increasingly hardware-dependent since 10.2 .
Quartz , CoreGraphics , CoreData , etc .
etc. all break backwards-compatibility .
Many of the new features are also offloaded to hardware .
Apple 's attitude used to be that if you did n't have new hardware , the new whiz-bang stuff just would n't work for you , and your system would look/feel much the same as it did under the previous version .
Not so these days....As for WindowMaker , it 's a legacy WM , I think .
When I used to use GNUstep extensively ( a few years ago ) , they were already seriously looking at things to replace it .
Etoile [ etoileos.com ] ( a cutting-edge GNUstep environment/in-development-distro ) now uses Azalia , which is distantly-related to WindowMaker .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think GNUstep's problem is that porting between GNUstep and OSX keeps getting more difficult.
Apple well-documented OpenStep, and it stayed static for a very long time (~10 years).
OSX, on the other hand, keeps changing, and is becoming increasingly hardware-dependent since 10.2.
Quartz, CoreGraphics, CoreData, etc.
etc. all break backwards-compatibility.
Many of the new features are also offloaded to hardware.
Apple's attitude used to be that if you didn't have new hardware, the new whiz-bang stuff just wouldn't work for you, and your system would look/feel much the same as it did under the previous version.
Not so these days....As for WindowMaker, it's a legacy WM, I think.
When I used to use GNUstep extensively (a few years ago), they were already seriously looking at things to replace it.
Etoile [etoileos.com] (a cutting-edge GNUstep environment/in-development-distro) now uses Azalia, which is distantly-related to WindowMaker.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30147408</id>
	<title>At least it's not from the 70s</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257106980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Chrome OS is based on technology with strong roots in the 70s, i.e. Unix and C.  Moreover, the creators of Unix went on to create a new OS (Plan 9) to solve its problems and, recently, a new programming language (Go).  Both Unix and C have been able to remain strong over time and add modern features whilst staying true to their roots and, broadly, retaining compatibility.  This is particularly true for Unix, despite some questionable design decisions along the way.</p><p>The link you supplied is from the Unix-haters handbook, which basically argues that the entire Unix + X11 stack is a load of rubbish - I think that's a more consistent position than just wanting X replaced.  To be honest I've never seen a strong explanation of why it's OK to keep developing Linux and BSD but that X should be ripped out and replaced, other than perhaps that X has languished due to lack of maintenance and management over a long period of time.  But I think X.org has shown some reasonable signs of revival and more modern features.</p><p>Ironically, recent developments in X.org make replacement servers more viable than they have been before - lots of X.org infrastructure (kernel mode setting, GEM, plus others) have separated a load of the hardware support issues from the windowing system itself.  Wayland seems to be the main example at the moment: <a href="https://groups.google.com/group/wayland-display-server/web/frequently-askeds-questions" title="google.com">https://groups.google.com/group/wayland-display-server/web/frequently-askeds-questions</a> [google.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Chrome OS is based on technology with strong roots in the 70s , i.e .
Unix and C. Moreover , the creators of Unix went on to create a new OS ( Plan 9 ) to solve its problems and , recently , a new programming language ( Go ) .
Both Unix and C have been able to remain strong over time and add modern features whilst staying true to their roots and , broadly , retaining compatibility .
This is particularly true for Unix , despite some questionable design decisions along the way.The link you supplied is from the Unix-haters handbook , which basically argues that the entire Unix + X11 stack is a load of rubbish - I think that 's a more consistent position than just wanting X replaced .
To be honest I 've never seen a strong explanation of why it 's OK to keep developing Linux and BSD but that X should be ripped out and replaced , other than perhaps that X has languished due to lack of maintenance and management over a long period of time .
But I think X.org has shown some reasonable signs of revival and more modern features.Ironically , recent developments in X.org make replacement servers more viable than they have been before - lots of X.org infrastructure ( kernel mode setting , GEM , plus others ) have separated a load of the hardware support issues from the windowing system itself .
Wayland seems to be the main example at the moment : https : //groups.google.com/group/wayland-display-server/web/frequently-askeds-questions [ google.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Chrome OS is based on technology with strong roots in the 70s, i.e.
Unix and C.  Moreover, the creators of Unix went on to create a new OS (Plan 9) to solve its problems and, recently, a new programming language (Go).
Both Unix and C have been able to remain strong over time and add modern features whilst staying true to their roots and, broadly, retaining compatibility.
This is particularly true for Unix, despite some questionable design decisions along the way.The link you supplied is from the Unix-haters handbook, which basically argues that the entire Unix + X11 stack is a load of rubbish - I think that's a more consistent position than just wanting X replaced.
To be honest I've never seen a strong explanation of why it's OK to keep developing Linux and BSD but that X should be ripped out and replaced, other than perhaps that X has languished due to lack of maintenance and management over a long period of time.
But I think X.org has shown some reasonable signs of revival and more modern features.Ironically, recent developments in X.org make replacement servers more viable than they have been before - lots of X.org infrastructure (kernel mode setting, GEM, plus others) have separated a load of the hardware support issues from the windowing system itself.
Wayland seems to be the main example at the moment: https://groups.google.com/group/wayland-display-server/web/frequently-askeds-questions [google.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30147758</id>
	<title>Re:Kill the X Boondoggle Already</title>
	<author>hey!</author>
	<datestamp>1257108720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, the title of your article is "How to make your 50-MIPS Workstation Run Like a 4.77MHz IBM PC"</p><p>Since the CPU in my laptop is rated at over 4000 Vax MIPS, I'll happily throw 1-2\% of that away to get the benefits of proven software.  Most of the time one or the other of the cores is close to zero utilization anyway.</p><p>What I'd like to see is simpler security setup (without sacrificing features or security of course).  That's when you say "there has to be an easier way". It's bad when tunneling a protocol through ssh is the *easy* way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , the title of your article is " How to make your 50-MIPS Workstation Run Like a 4.77MHz IBM PC " Since the CPU in my laptop is rated at over 4000 Vax MIPS , I 'll happily throw 1-2 \ % of that away to get the benefits of proven software .
Most of the time one or the other of the cores is close to zero utilization anyway.What I 'd like to see is simpler security setup ( without sacrificing features or security of course ) .
That 's when you say " there has to be an easier way " .
It 's bad when tunneling a protocol through ssh is the * easy * way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, the title of your article is "How to make your 50-MIPS Workstation Run Like a 4.77MHz IBM PC"Since the CPU in my laptop is rated at over 4000 Vax MIPS, I'll happily throw 1-2\% of that away to get the benefits of proven software.
Most of the time one or the other of the cores is close to zero utilization anyway.What I'd like to see is simpler security setup (without sacrificing features or security of course).
That's when you say "there has to be an easier way".
It's bad when tunneling a protocol through ssh is the *easy* way.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30148222</id>
	<title>Re:Excellent!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257068040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe instead of sponsoring the Development of Enlightenment they should focus on fixing my mother fucking big screen which is something I actually care about.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe instead of sponsoring the Development of Enlightenment they should focus on fixing my mother fucking big screen which is something I actually care about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe instead of sponsoring the Development of Enlightenment they should focus on fixing my mother fucking big screen which is something I actually care about.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30150548</id>
	<title>Re:Scooped</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257078480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't forget montesquieu and Hume<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't forget montesquieu and Hume : D</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't forget montesquieu and Hume :D</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30146762</id>
	<title>The new tool just released is quite promising</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257103860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Unfortunately it has a really weird name, but it seems to be a flash-like tool to make programming UI's with cool transitions and other effects quite easily. Getting a copy of the svn now to try it out, but the videos on youtube are showing the enlightenment libraries to be quite awesome.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately it has a really weird name , but it seems to be a flash-like tool to make programming UI 's with cool transitions and other effects quite easily .
Getting a copy of the svn now to try it out , but the videos on youtube are showing the enlightenment libraries to be quite awesome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately it has a really weird name, but it seems to be a flash-like tool to make programming UI's with cool transitions and other effects quite easily.
Getting a copy of the svn now to try it out, but the videos on youtube are showing the enlightenment libraries to be quite awesome.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30147460</id>
	<title>2001 called..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257107220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It wants its anti-networked display server argument back..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It wants its anti-networked display server argument back. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It wants its anti-networked display server argument back..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30147714</id>
	<title>Re:Hey Obamaheads, how's it going?</title>
	<author>sexconker</author>
	<datestamp>1257108480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Offtopic for sure, but I absolutely fucking LOVE how ol' Booney Boy and his "plan" disappeared when oil prices went LOL.</p><p>Oil prices were ridiculous.  He came on TV and announced how he would be talking to us about his plan over the coming months.</p><p>We got 1 follow up commercial to that, a vague introduction to his plan.</p><p>Then oil prices started to return, and I haven't heard a peep out of Pickens since.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Offtopic for sure , but I absolutely fucking LOVE how ol ' Booney Boy and his " plan " disappeared when oil prices went LOL.Oil prices were ridiculous .
He came on TV and announced how he would be talking to us about his plan over the coming months.We got 1 follow up commercial to that , a vague introduction to his plan.Then oil prices started to return , and I have n't heard a peep out of Pickens since .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Offtopic for sure, but I absolutely fucking LOVE how ol' Booney Boy and his "plan" disappeared when oil prices went LOL.Oil prices were ridiculous.
He came on TV and announced how he would be talking to us about his plan over the coming months.We got 1 follow up commercial to that, a vague introduction to his plan.Then oil prices started to return, and I haven't heard a peep out of Pickens since.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30151818</id>
	<title>Re:Some explain the Linux GUI thing?</title>
	<author>Homburg</author>
	<datestamp>1257085980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Moreover, if you draw a window it will take up the whole screen - X has no concept of multiple windows.</p></div><p>That's not true - X understands the idea of multiple windows. The window manager just provides a UI for manipulating (moving, closing, etc) these windows.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Moreover , if you draw a window it will take up the whole screen - X has no concept of multiple windows.That 's not true - X understands the idea of multiple windows .
The window manager just provides a UI for manipulating ( moving , closing , etc ) these windows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Moreover, if you draw a window it will take up the whole screen - X has no concept of multiple windows.That's not true - X understands the idea of multiple windows.
The window manager just provides a UI for manipulating (moving, closing, etc) these windows.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30147126</id>
	<title>Videos show</title>
	<author>gr8\_phk</author>
	<datestamp>1257105540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The linked videos show that E17 has some nice rotations going on. Then they try to do some 3D effects and it's apparent that they're only doing affine transformations, so the perspective texture mapping is wrong on the 3D stuff. It feels so much like 1992. Didn't they learn anything from ID? There are even simpler ways to get the perspective right for large polys too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The linked videos show that E17 has some nice rotations going on .
Then they try to do some 3D effects and it 's apparent that they 're only doing affine transformations , so the perspective texture mapping is wrong on the 3D stuff .
It feels so much like 1992 .
Did n't they learn anything from ID ?
There are even simpler ways to get the perspective right for large polys too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The linked videos show that E17 has some nice rotations going on.
Then they try to do some 3D effects and it's apparent that they're only doing affine transformations, so the perspective texture mapping is wrong on the 3D stuff.
It feels so much like 1992.
Didn't they learn anything from ID?
There are even simpler ways to get the perspective right for large polys too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30149548</id>
	<title>Gonna have to take a look again...</title>
	<author>wrex</author>
	<datestamp>1257074340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Been awhile since I peered at E. Guess I'll have to take a peek to see what craziness I can manage with it, this time, lol.</p><p>--Wrex</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Been awhile since I peered at E. Guess I 'll have to take a peek to see what craziness I can manage with it , this time , lol.--Wrex</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Been awhile since I peered at E. Guess I'll have to take a peek to see what craziness I can manage with it, this time, lol.--Wrex</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30148926</id>
	<title>Re:I've always liked enlightenment.</title>
	<author>rwa2</author>
	<datestamp>1257071280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's funny that it was considered a "bloated eye-candy" wm back in the day and a "sleek and fast" wm today<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p><p>e16 is still my favorite WM, though I'm currently back to using WindowMaker at the moment because I managed to break e16 while tweaking the NeXTstep-ish theme to make it darker.</p><p>There are several features I like from e16 that have been very difficult to find elsewhere:</p><p>* compositing works : drop shadows, semi-transparent gnome-terminal, and semi-transparent window movements look great and work fast.  Sure Beryl / Compiz can do more, but they also eventually crap out on my system with video memory corruption.  (Nvidia 8800GT)</p><p>* desktop pager : shows a miniature version of all my virtual desktops, complete with realtime updating thumbnails (when compositing is enabled).  Even with compositing disabled, it can still update the window thumbnails every few seconds.  The old Gnome 1.4.x pager was the only other thing I've seen that did this, but they removed it from current pagers, along with the ability to reposition windows around on screen.</p><p>* virtual desktop vs. virtual workspace : I tend to stick with just swapping virtual desktops, but the expanded workspace sliding is interesting.</p><p>* virtual desktop sliding : it's fun to grab the deskbar and partially expose the apps on the desktop one layer down.  I just wish the first desktop was the "top" desktop instead of the "bottom" one.</p><p>* shaped window decorations : makes for some interesting themes, though I don't really play with them all that much.  Someday...</p><p>I've been really excited about some other useful features Rasterman had blogged about, such as putting per-process CPU / RAM / Disk / Net stats in the titlebar of windows and things like that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's funny that it was considered a " bloated eye-candy " wm back in the day and a " sleek and fast " wm today : Pe16 is still my favorite WM , though I 'm currently back to using WindowMaker at the moment because I managed to break e16 while tweaking the NeXTstep-ish theme to make it darker.There are several features I like from e16 that have been very difficult to find elsewhere : * compositing works : drop shadows , semi-transparent gnome-terminal , and semi-transparent window movements look great and work fast .
Sure Beryl / Compiz can do more , but they also eventually crap out on my system with video memory corruption .
( Nvidia 8800GT ) * desktop pager : shows a miniature version of all my virtual desktops , complete with realtime updating thumbnails ( when compositing is enabled ) .
Even with compositing disabled , it can still update the window thumbnails every few seconds .
The old Gnome 1.4.x pager was the only other thing I 've seen that did this , but they removed it from current pagers , along with the ability to reposition windows around on screen .
* virtual desktop vs. virtual workspace : I tend to stick with just swapping virtual desktops , but the expanded workspace sliding is interesting .
* virtual desktop sliding : it 's fun to grab the deskbar and partially expose the apps on the desktop one layer down .
I just wish the first desktop was the " top " desktop instead of the " bottom " one .
* shaped window decorations : makes for some interesting themes , though I do n't really play with them all that much .
Someday...I 've been really excited about some other useful features Rasterman had blogged about , such as putting per-process CPU / RAM / Disk / Net stats in the titlebar of windows and things like that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's funny that it was considered a "bloated eye-candy" wm back in the day and a "sleek and fast" wm today :Pe16 is still my favorite WM, though I'm currently back to using WindowMaker at the moment because I managed to break e16 while tweaking the NeXTstep-ish theme to make it darker.There are several features I like from e16 that have been very difficult to find elsewhere:* compositing works : drop shadows, semi-transparent gnome-terminal, and semi-transparent window movements look great and work fast.
Sure Beryl / Compiz can do more, but they also eventually crap out on my system with video memory corruption.
(Nvidia 8800GT)* desktop pager : shows a miniature version of all my virtual desktops, complete with realtime updating thumbnails (when compositing is enabled).
Even with compositing disabled, it can still update the window thumbnails every few seconds.
The old Gnome 1.4.x pager was the only other thing I've seen that did this, but they removed it from current pagers, along with the ability to reposition windows around on screen.
* virtual desktop vs. virtual workspace : I tend to stick with just swapping virtual desktops, but the expanded workspace sliding is interesting.
* virtual desktop sliding : it's fun to grab the deskbar and partially expose the apps on the desktop one layer down.
I just wish the first desktop was the "top" desktop instead of the "bottom" one.
* shaped window decorations : makes for some interesting themes, though I don't really play with them all that much.
Someday...I've been really excited about some other useful features Rasterman had blogged about, such as putting per-process CPU / RAM / Disk / Net stats in the titlebar of windows and things like that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30147802</id>
	<title>Used E again recently....</title>
	<author>Picass0</author>
	<datestamp>1257108960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>During my time on Fedora 11 I fell out of love with Gnome and switched over to KDE. During my transitional phase I played a bit with E. It was the window manager during the redhat 5.x days when I first started with Linux, and I was nostalgic to see how E had changed.</p><p>I liked E's speedy response. It's a lightweight WM without much bloat. Very quick and responsive load times.</p><p>On the other hand it needs updating.  There's no support for compositing, and GL is software rendered. No acceleration. I'm a Blenderhead so this was not good. It doesn't have a good file manager. I found myself using MC whenever I was in E. No easy menu editing.</p><p>I very much would like to see E take it's place again as a viable desktop option. It has so much going for it, be clearly developer resources haven't been available like KDE and Gnome.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>During my time on Fedora 11 I fell out of love with Gnome and switched over to KDE .
During my transitional phase I played a bit with E. It was the window manager during the redhat 5.x days when I first started with Linux , and I was nostalgic to see how E had changed.I liked E 's speedy response .
It 's a lightweight WM without much bloat .
Very quick and responsive load times.On the other hand it needs updating .
There 's no support for compositing , and GL is software rendered .
No acceleration .
I 'm a Blenderhead so this was not good .
It does n't have a good file manager .
I found myself using MC whenever I was in E. No easy menu editing.I very much would like to see E take it 's place again as a viable desktop option .
It has so much going for it , be clearly developer resources have n't been available like KDE and Gnome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>During my time on Fedora 11 I fell out of love with Gnome and switched over to KDE.
During my transitional phase I played a bit with E. It was the window manager during the redhat 5.x days when I first started with Linux, and I was nostalgic to see how E had changed.I liked E's speedy response.
It's a lightweight WM without much bloat.
Very quick and responsive load times.On the other hand it needs updating.
There's no support for compositing, and GL is software rendered.
No acceleration.
I'm a Blenderhead so this was not good.
It doesn't have a good file manager.
I found myself using MC whenever I was in E. No easy menu editing.I very much would like to see E take it's place again as a viable desktop option.
It has so much going for it, be clearly developer resources haven't been available like KDE and Gnome.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30152480</id>
	<title>Samsung not known for their UI, *vomit*</title>
	<author>Xyde</author>
	<datestamp>1257091140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I shudder to think how much uglier they could make Enlightenment after their recent work on Android: <a href="http://gizmodo.com/5406912/samsung-behold-ii-non+review-oh-god-the-ugly" title="gizmodo.com">http://gizmodo.com/5406912/samsung-behold-ii-non+review-oh-god-the-ugly</a> [gizmodo.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I shudder to think how much uglier they could make Enlightenment after their recent work on Android : http : //gizmodo.com/5406912/samsung-behold-ii-non + review-oh-god-the-ugly [ gizmodo.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I shudder to think how much uglier they could make Enlightenment after their recent work on Android: http://gizmodo.com/5406912/samsung-behold-ii-non+review-oh-god-the-ugly [gizmodo.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30149026</id>
	<title>Re:Hey Obamaheads, how's it going?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257071760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Is Gitmo closed?</i></p><p>If you morons would get the fuck out of the way, it would be.</p><p>I hate how the same asshats who don't want Gitmo closed and are doing everything possible to prevent it from being closed then criticize the President for not closing it.  Stop whining about Teh Terrorists being kept on U.S. soil and tried in the U.S. justice system like they should have been from the beginning.  Or is that your criticism of Obama -- that he tolerates you idiots and takes your retarded opinions into account?  Neither of us would like the alternative, so shut the fuck up already.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is Gitmo closed ? If you morons would get the fuck out of the way , it would be.I hate how the same asshats who do n't want Gitmo closed and are doing everything possible to prevent it from being closed then criticize the President for not closing it .
Stop whining about Teh Terrorists being kept on U.S. soil and tried in the U.S. justice system like they should have been from the beginning .
Or is that your criticism of Obama -- that he tolerates you idiots and takes your retarded opinions into account ?
Neither of us would like the alternative , so shut the fuck up already .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is Gitmo closed?If you morons would get the fuck out of the way, it would be.I hate how the same asshats who don't want Gitmo closed and are doing everything possible to prevent it from being closed then criticize the President for not closing it.
Stop whining about Teh Terrorists being kept on U.S. soil and tried in the U.S. justice system like they should have been from the beginning.
Or is that your criticism of Obama -- that he tolerates you idiots and takes your retarded opinions into account?
Neither of us would like the alternative, so shut the fuck up already.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30147732</id>
	<title>Re:Seems Obvious</title>
	<author>PeterKraus</author>
	<datestamp>1257108600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, E is indeed very configurable. Openbox can't be configured as much in some things (eg size of a window opening on a given place on a given desktop - maybe that changed since september), Fluxbox offers about the same amount of configurability, but lacks "widgets" - shelves etc.</p><p>I've recently tried KDE 4.3.3 and went back to E after a couple of days. E gives you complete control over your windows, over maximize behaviour, over edge actions, combination of mouse drag + edge action, or mouse + keyboard shortcuts - something KDE doesn't have!</p><p>Also, the feature which makes it or breaks it for me most of the time is the pager displaying urgent hint on windows which have it - such as pidgin/xchat on a new message. Primarily lack of this equivalent drove me back to E.</p><p>And the themes are not that bad either...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , E is indeed very configurable .
Openbox ca n't be configured as much in some things ( eg size of a window opening on a given place on a given desktop - maybe that changed since september ) , Fluxbox offers about the same amount of configurability , but lacks " widgets " - shelves etc.I 've recently tried KDE 4.3.3 and went back to E after a couple of days .
E gives you complete control over your windows , over maximize behaviour , over edge actions , combination of mouse drag + edge action , or mouse + keyboard shortcuts - something KDE does n't have ! Also , the feature which makes it or breaks it for me most of the time is the pager displaying urgent hint on windows which have it - such as pidgin/xchat on a new message .
Primarily lack of this equivalent drove me back to E.And the themes are not that bad either.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, E is indeed very configurable.
Openbox can't be configured as much in some things (eg size of a window opening on a given place on a given desktop - maybe that changed since september), Fluxbox offers about the same amount of configurability, but lacks "widgets" - shelves etc.I've recently tried KDE 4.3.3 and went back to E after a couple of days.
E gives you complete control over your windows, over maximize behaviour, over edge actions, combination of mouse drag + edge action, or mouse + keyboard shortcuts - something KDE doesn't have!Also, the feature which makes it or breaks it for me most of the time is the pager displaying urgent hint on windows which have it - such as pidgin/xchat on a new message.
Primarily lack of this equivalent drove me back to E.And the themes are not that bad either...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30147288</id>
	<title>Re:Excellent!</title>
	<author>MrHanky</author>
	<datestamp>1257106320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First they would have to re-implement Duke Nukem Forever. From scratch. DNF has always been the main dependency of Enlightenment. Remember when Rasterman ditched his entire EVAS library and starter again? It coincided with DNF's switch from the Quake engine to Unreal Engine. Every setback in E17's development has coincided with similar setbacks in DNF.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First they would have to re-implement Duke Nukem Forever .
From scratch .
DNF has always been the main dependency of Enlightenment .
Remember when Rasterman ditched his entire EVAS library and starter again ?
It coincided with DNF 's switch from the Quake engine to Unreal Engine .
Every setback in E17 's development has coincided with similar setbacks in DNF .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First they would have to re-implement Duke Nukem Forever.
From scratch.
DNF has always been the main dependency of Enlightenment.
Remember when Rasterman ditched his entire EVAS library and starter again?
It coincided with DNF's switch from the Quake engine to Unreal Engine.
Every setback in E17's development has coincided with similar setbacks in DNF.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30147436</id>
	<title>Re:Wow!</title>
	<author>roystgnr</author>
	<datestamp>1257107100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>That's pretty ambitious.</i></p><p>No, no, Samsung isn't funding an attempt to develop the attainment of a blessed state in which their customers can transcend desire and suffering and achieve Nirvana.  That would be nearly impossible.</p><p>Samsung is funding an attempt to develop for their customers a completed version of the Enlightenment Window Manager.  That will be <b>completely</b> impossible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's pretty ambitious.No , no , Samsung is n't funding an attempt to develop the attainment of a blessed state in which their customers can transcend desire and suffering and achieve Nirvana .
That would be nearly impossible.Samsung is funding an attempt to develop for their customers a completed version of the Enlightenment Window Manager .
That will be completely impossible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's pretty ambitious.No, no, Samsung isn't funding an attempt to develop the attainment of a blessed state in which their customers can transcend desire and suffering and achieve Nirvana.
That would be nearly impossible.Samsung is funding an attempt to develop for their customers a completed version of the Enlightenment Window Manager.
That will be completely impossible.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30146760</id>
	<title>LGPL-3?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257103860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Enlightment is BSD licensed.  You can't just change it to LGPL-3.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Enlightment is BSD licensed .
You ca n't just change it to LGPL-3 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Enlightment is BSD licensed.
You can't just change it to LGPL-3.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30151768</id>
	<title>Re:Kill the X Boondoggle Already</title>
	<author>osu-neko</author>
	<datestamp>1257085560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And just because it's 20 years old doesn't mean it sucks. How old is TCP/IP? The mouse? The binary system?</p></div><p>Would you believe my car still uses <i>wheels</i>?!  You know how old that technology is?  You would think by now we'd have something better for rolling on...  XD</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And just because it 's 20 years old does n't mean it sucks .
How old is TCP/IP ?
The mouse ?
The binary system ? Would you believe my car still uses wheels ? !
You know how old that technology is ?
You would think by now we 'd have something better for rolling on... XD</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And just because it's 20 years old doesn't mean it sucks.
How old is TCP/IP?
The mouse?
The binary system?Would you believe my car still uses wheels?!
You know how old that technology is?
You would think by now we'd have something better for rolling on...  XD
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30166256</id>
	<title>Re:Some explain the Linux GUI thing?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258635840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>X most certainly has a concept of multiple windows, and how to size and place them on a display.  What it doesn't have is any interface mechanisms for \_controlling\_ windows, like using the mouse to select, raise, lower, resize windows, and so on.  That's what window managers are for, and they use the messages and properties mechanisms that X provides to do it (the gory details are in a spec called ICCCM).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>X most certainly has a concept of multiple windows , and how to size and place them on a display .
What it does n't have is any interface mechanisms for \ _controlling \ _ windows , like using the mouse to select , raise , lower , resize windows , and so on .
That 's what window managers are for , and they use the messages and properties mechanisms that X provides to do it ( the gory details are in a spec called ICCCM ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>X most certainly has a concept of multiple windows, and how to size and place them on a display.
What it doesn't have is any interface mechanisms for \_controlling\_ windows, like using the mouse to select, raise, lower, resize windows, and so on.
That's what window managers are for, and they use the messages and properties mechanisms that X provides to do it (the gory details are in a spec called ICCCM).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30147020</id>
	<title>I've always liked enlightenment.</title>
	<author>QJimbo</author>
	<datestamp>1257104940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I used it back in the days of SuSE 6.3 and really liked it then. It had the most eye candy and "slickness" at the time (1999 or so), blowing other WMs and Win98 out the water, I mean who couldn't love the semi-transparent "eTerm" windows?</p><p>Other WMs have caught up now with the eye candy, but enlightenment is and was one of the few window managers that actually displayed innovation instead of simply tailing after windows and mac. It's nice to see it getting recognition.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I used it back in the days of SuSE 6.3 and really liked it then .
It had the most eye candy and " slickness " at the time ( 1999 or so ) , blowing other WMs and Win98 out the water , I mean who could n't love the semi-transparent " eTerm " windows ? Other WMs have caught up now with the eye candy , but enlightenment is and was one of the few window managers that actually displayed innovation instead of simply tailing after windows and mac .
It 's nice to see it getting recognition .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used it back in the days of SuSE 6.3 and really liked it then.
It had the most eye candy and "slickness" at the time (1999 or so), blowing other WMs and Win98 out the water, I mean who couldn't love the semi-transparent "eTerm" windows?Other WMs have caught up now with the eye candy, but enlightenment is and was one of the few window managers that actually displayed innovation instead of simply tailing after windows and mac.
It's nice to see it getting recognition.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30147342</id>
	<title>summary</title>
	<author>rackeer</author>
	<datestamp>1257106560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Summary from TFA:<br>

<i>Samsung is sponsoring Enlightenment so that they can obviously deploy this lightweight and robust window manager on some of their mobile devices, but we do not yet have confirmation on what devices or when they may start surfacing... It sounds as though Samsung is still early on into their love affair with Enlightenment and that many more changes and work are still to come, which means that it may be some months before seeing any devices.<br>

We also have been forwarded some YouTube videos of recent Enlightenment advancements (user-interface improvements) that have been made possible through this hardware company's sponsorship. The video demos are quite interesting and worth checking out.</i> <br>

Video <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEf1fSsPUY4&amp;feature=player\_embedded" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">here</a> [youtube.com].</htmltext>
<tokenext>Summary from TFA : Samsung is sponsoring Enlightenment so that they can obviously deploy this lightweight and robust window manager on some of their mobile devices , but we do not yet have confirmation on what devices or when they may start surfacing... It sounds as though Samsung is still early on into their love affair with Enlightenment and that many more changes and work are still to come , which means that it may be some months before seeing any devices .
We also have been forwarded some YouTube videos of recent Enlightenment advancements ( user-interface improvements ) that have been made possible through this hardware company 's sponsorship .
The video demos are quite interesting and worth checking out .
Video here [ youtube.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Summary from TFA:

Samsung is sponsoring Enlightenment so that they can obviously deploy this lightweight and robust window manager on some of their mobile devices, but we do not yet have confirmation on what devices or when they may start surfacing... It sounds as though Samsung is still early on into their love affair with Enlightenment and that many more changes and work are still to come, which means that it may be some months before seeing any devices.
We also have been forwarded some YouTube videos of recent Enlightenment advancements (user-interface improvements) that have been made possible through this hardware company's sponsorship.
The video demos are quite interesting and worth checking out.
Video here [youtube.com].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30148644</id>
	<title>Re:Some explain the Linux GUI thing?</title>
	<author>Qzukk</author>
	<datestamp>1257069840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They're different layers.</p><p>X is the graphics system.  It provides the video driver and makes pretty pictures show up on your screen.</p><p>Enlightenment is a window manager, it gives those pretty pictures borders so that you can drag them around.</p><p>Gnome is a Desktop Environment, which is a couple hundred programs that are designed to work together and work the same way.  This includes a window manager, menus for launching programs and a place to hold minimized programs and icons, a file manager, network configuration tools, a terminal, calculator, scanning software, music player, cd ripper, graphics editors, etc etc.</p><p>X is always there.</p><p>The features that Enlightenment provides works using X.</p><p>The features that Gnome provides works using a window manager and X.  Gnome provides Metacity as its window manager by default, but you can use others like Enlightenment.</p><p>This is highly consistent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're different layers.X is the graphics system .
It provides the video driver and makes pretty pictures show up on your screen.Enlightenment is a window manager , it gives those pretty pictures borders so that you can drag them around.Gnome is a Desktop Environment , which is a couple hundred programs that are designed to work together and work the same way .
This includes a window manager , menus for launching programs and a place to hold minimized programs and icons , a file manager , network configuration tools , a terminal , calculator , scanning software , music player , cd ripper , graphics editors , etc etc.X is always there.The features that Enlightenment provides works using X.The features that Gnome provides works using a window manager and X. Gnome provides Metacity as its window manager by default , but you can use others like Enlightenment.This is highly consistent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're different layers.X is the graphics system.
It provides the video driver and makes pretty pictures show up on your screen.Enlightenment is a window manager, it gives those pretty pictures borders so that you can drag them around.Gnome is a Desktop Environment, which is a couple hundred programs that are designed to work together and work the same way.
This includes a window manager, menus for launching programs and a place to hold minimized programs and icons, a file manager, network configuration tools, a terminal, calculator, scanning software, music player, cd ripper, graphics editors, etc etc.X is always there.The features that Enlightenment provides works using X.The features that Gnome provides works using a window manager and X.  Gnome provides Metacity as its window manager by default, but you can use others like Enlightenment.This is highly consistent.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30151588</id>
	<title>Re:Some explain the Linux GUI thing?</title>
	<author>quickOnTheUptake</author>
	<datestamp>1257084480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Level 1, X11: handles the basics (writing to the graphics card, tracking the mouse, tracking key presses, tracking what programs are displaying windows and the dimensions and visibility of those windows etc.). X by itself is almost useless, thus:
<br>
Level 2, Window manager (WM): Also keeps track of windows and tells X what to do with them. It sets the policies about how windows gets focus (sloppy focus? click to focus?), how windows get moved and resized and closed, window decoration, universal keybindings, and other such sorts of things.
<br>
Some people like to continue to<br>
Level 3, Desktop environment (DE): This is a window manager, plus a whole suite of more or less integrated programs that aim to give a full consistent GUI experience. So it will generally have things like a network manager, a music player, a picture viewer, a task-bar/dock/menu, a settings manager, etc. <br>
Enlightenment is a WM, albeit a fairly feature rich one. Thus it does not replace, but requires X.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Level 1 , X11 : handles the basics ( writing to the graphics card , tracking the mouse , tracking key presses , tracking what programs are displaying windows and the dimensions and visibility of those windows etc. ) .
X by itself is almost useless , thus : Level 2 , Window manager ( WM ) : Also keeps track of windows and tells X what to do with them .
It sets the policies about how windows gets focus ( sloppy focus ?
click to focus ?
) , how windows get moved and resized and closed , window decoration , universal keybindings , and other such sorts of things .
Some people like to continue to Level 3 , Desktop environment ( DE ) : This is a window manager , plus a whole suite of more or less integrated programs that aim to give a full consistent GUI experience .
So it will generally have things like a network manager , a music player , a picture viewer , a task-bar/dock/menu , a settings manager , etc .
Enlightenment is a WM , albeit a fairly feature rich one .
Thus it does not replace , but requires X .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Level 1, X11: handles the basics (writing to the graphics card, tracking the mouse, tracking key presses, tracking what programs are displaying windows and the dimensions and visibility of those windows etc.).
X by itself is almost useless, thus:

Level 2, Window manager (WM): Also keeps track of windows and tells X what to do with them.
It sets the policies about how windows gets focus (sloppy focus?
click to focus?
), how windows get moved and resized and closed, window decoration, universal keybindings, and other such sorts of things.
Some people like to continue to
Level 3, Desktop environment (DE): This is a window manager, plus a whole suite of more or less integrated programs that aim to give a full consistent GUI experience.
So it will generally have things like a network manager, a music player, a picture viewer, a task-bar/dock/menu, a settings manager, etc.
Enlightenment is a WM, albeit a fairly feature rich one.
Thus it does not replace, but requires X.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30148694</id>
	<title>Re:Some explain the Linux GUI thing?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257070140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm going to assume this isn't a troll, and instead is a real question. Crash course for everyone else:</p><p>Unlike OSX and Windows, the graphics subsystem is (almost) completely independent from the core of the OS (kernel). This means that the graphics can be completely removed with little-to-no effort, leaving just a text-based system.</p><p>This is because the X-windows system is implemented by Xorg the program. Like any other program it can be killed/removed, etc. This program just happens to take over a terminal window and show pictures.</p><p>A program wishing to do graphics talks to X and tells it to do stuff, using the X11 protocol. This can be direct memory access, a Unix socket, or a network socket - X doesn't care.</p><p>However, this is a pain. X (delibrately) doesn't specify any widgets like buttons, etc. Moreover, if you draw a window it will take up the whole screen - X has no concept of multiple windows.</p><p>So, you need a window manager. This basically hands X one "window" (composed of all the others, including the taskbar and window decoration like titles, etc). GNOME and KDE include window managers (Metacity and kwin, respectively).</p><p>But we still don't have buttons or other widgets. For that, we use a library - usually GTK or Qt. There are whole packages of software, plus glue (like settings managers), built on these libraries - the desktop environments GNOME and KDE.</p><p>None of these parts are dependent on each other. You can run a GTK window in a KDE environment, or a Qt program in a GNOME environment (it's just a library, the widgets will be different). You can use Metacity in KDE.</p><p>So for a graphical desktop you need:<br>X (somewhere, locally or remotely)</p><p>Window Manager \<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Widget Library - - compose a Desktop Environment (KDE, Enlightment, GNOME, Xfce)<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Utility programs  /</p><p>I may be wrong on some details, but this is it in general.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm going to assume this is n't a troll , and instead is a real question .
Crash course for everyone else : Unlike OSX and Windows , the graphics subsystem is ( almost ) completely independent from the core of the OS ( kernel ) .
This means that the graphics can be completely removed with little-to-no effort , leaving just a text-based system.This is because the X-windows system is implemented by Xorg the program .
Like any other program it can be killed/removed , etc .
This program just happens to take over a terminal window and show pictures.A program wishing to do graphics talks to X and tells it to do stuff , using the X11 protocol .
This can be direct memory access , a Unix socket , or a network socket - X does n't care.However , this is a pain .
X ( delibrately ) does n't specify any widgets like buttons , etc .
Moreover , if you draw a window it will take up the whole screen - X has no concept of multiple windows.So , you need a window manager .
This basically hands X one " window " ( composed of all the others , including the taskbar and window decoration like titles , etc ) .
GNOME and KDE include window managers ( Metacity and kwin , respectively ) .But we still do n't have buttons or other widgets .
For that , we use a library - usually GTK or Qt .
There are whole packages of software , plus glue ( like settings managers ) , built on these libraries - the desktop environments GNOME and KDE.None of these parts are dependent on each other .
You can run a GTK window in a KDE environment , or a Qt program in a GNOME environment ( it 's just a library , the widgets will be different ) .
You can use Metacity in KDE.So for a graphical desktop you need : X ( somewhere , locally or remotely ) Window Manager \     Widget Library - - compose a Desktop Environment ( KDE , Enlightment , GNOME , Xfce )     Utility programs /I may be wrong on some details , but this is it in general .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm going to assume this isn't a troll, and instead is a real question.
Crash course for everyone else:Unlike OSX and Windows, the graphics subsystem is (almost) completely independent from the core of the OS (kernel).
This means that the graphics can be completely removed with little-to-no effort, leaving just a text-based system.This is because the X-windows system is implemented by Xorg the program.
Like any other program it can be killed/removed, etc.
This program just happens to take over a terminal window and show pictures.A program wishing to do graphics talks to X and tells it to do stuff, using the X11 protocol.
This can be direct memory access, a Unix socket, or a network socket - X doesn't care.However, this is a pain.
X (delibrately) doesn't specify any widgets like buttons, etc.
Moreover, if you draw a window it will take up the whole screen - X has no concept of multiple windows.So, you need a window manager.
This basically hands X one "window" (composed of all the others, including the taskbar and window decoration like titles, etc).
GNOME and KDE include window managers (Metacity and kwin, respectively).But we still don't have buttons or other widgets.
For that, we use a library - usually GTK or Qt.
There are whole packages of software, plus glue (like settings managers), built on these libraries - the desktop environments GNOME and KDE.None of these parts are dependent on each other.
You can run a GTK window in a KDE environment, or a Qt program in a GNOME environment (it's just a library, the widgets will be different).
You can use Metacity in KDE.So for a graphical desktop you need:X (somewhere, locally or remotely)Window Manager \
    Widget Library - - compose a Desktop Environment (KDE, Enlightment, GNOME, Xfce)
    Utility programs  /I may be wrong on some details, but this is it in general.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30148438</id>
	<title>Re:Kill the X Boondoggle Already</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257069060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>GTK and QT are cross platform already and don't require X.  That being said X has never been aimed at application programmers targeting it directly.  Things like Motif have been around to handle that for a very very long time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GTK and QT are cross platform already and do n't require X. That being said X has never been aimed at application programmers targeting it directly .
Things like Motif have been around to handle that for a very very long time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GTK and QT are cross platform already and don't require X.  That being said X has never been aimed at application programmers targeting it directly.
Things like Motif have been around to handle that for a very very long time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30148592</id>
	<title>Re:Used E again recently....</title>
	<author>rwa2</author>
	<datestamp>1257069600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you talking about e16 ?  Compositing and GL work fine in it  (I'm using the release packaged in Debian).  I'm actually quite surprised that people don't list it as one of the compositing window managers like Beryl / Compiz.</p><p>It doesn't have as many extra features as Beryl / Compiz, but it has the few I care about... namely - composited drop shadows, true-translucent backgrounds in gnome-terminal, translucent window movement, and composited miniature windows in the pager.</p><p>It's actually been much more stable than Beryl on my system... eventually Beryl seems to exhaust the video memory and I get lots of video corruption, which seldom happens under the e16 compositor.  It's also pretty easy to turn compositing on and off when I want more GPU resources dedicated to an OpenGL app or game.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you talking about e16 ?
Compositing and GL work fine in it ( I 'm using the release packaged in Debian ) .
I 'm actually quite surprised that people do n't list it as one of the compositing window managers like Beryl / Compiz.It does n't have as many extra features as Beryl / Compiz , but it has the few I care about... namely - composited drop shadows , true-translucent backgrounds in gnome-terminal , translucent window movement , and composited miniature windows in the pager.It 's actually been much more stable than Beryl on my system... eventually Beryl seems to exhaust the video memory and I get lots of video corruption , which seldom happens under the e16 compositor .
It 's also pretty easy to turn compositing on and off when I want more GPU resources dedicated to an OpenGL app or game .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you talking about e16 ?
Compositing and GL work fine in it  (I'm using the release packaged in Debian).
I'm actually quite surprised that people don't list it as one of the compositing window managers like Beryl / Compiz.It doesn't have as many extra features as Beryl / Compiz, but it has the few I care about... namely - composited drop shadows, true-translucent backgrounds in gnome-terminal, translucent window movement, and composited miniature windows in the pager.It's actually been much more stable than Beryl on my system... eventually Beryl seems to exhaust the video memory and I get lots of video corruption, which seldom happens under the e16 compositor.
It's also pretty easy to turn compositing on and off when I want more GPU resources dedicated to an OpenGL app or game.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30146844</id>
	<title>Re:LGPL-3?</title>
	<author>yet-another-lobbyist</author>
	<datestamp>1257104220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think he means that the new program (=application) that Samsung created was LGPL-3 licensed (and not Enlightenment itself). Shouldn't that be possible despite Enlightenment being BSD licensed?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think he means that the new program ( = application ) that Samsung created was LGPL-3 licensed ( and not Enlightenment itself ) .
Should n't that be possible despite Enlightenment being BSD licensed ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think he means that the new program (=application) that Samsung created was LGPL-3 licensed (and not Enlightenment itself).
Shouldn't that be possible despite Enlightenment being BSD licensed?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30147262</id>
	<title>Re:LGPL-3?</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1257106200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you can take BSD code and re-release it under a proprietary license(as many companies have done), you can take BSD code and re-release it under LGPL-3.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you can take BSD code and re-release it under a proprietary license ( as many companies have done ) , you can take BSD code and re-release it under LGPL-3 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you can take BSD code and re-release it under a proprietary license(as many companies have done), you can take BSD code and re-release it under LGPL-3.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30146880</id>
	<title>Re:Seems Obvious</title>
	<author>junglee\_iitk</author>
	<datestamp>1257104340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lets hope that Samsung manages to get e17 out of door in 2010.</p><p>Wow, I was trying it out 5 years ago and it still hasn't seen a release.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lets hope that Samsung manages to get e17 out of door in 2010.Wow , I was trying it out 5 years ago and it still has n't seen a release .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lets hope that Samsung manages to get e17 out of door in 2010.Wow, I was trying it out 5 years ago and it still hasn't seen a release.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30146812</id>
	<title>Re:LGPL-3?</title>
	<author>gstoddart</author>
	<datestamp>1257104040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Enlightment is BSD licensed. You can't just change it to LGPL-3.</p></div></blockquote><p>Actually, being BSD licensed, you <em>can</em> release a fork under a new license I believe since BSD is a permissive license.</p><p>The reverse, however, would not be true.</p><p>Cheers</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Enlightment is BSD licensed .
You ca n't just change it to LGPL-3.Actually , being BSD licensed , you can release a fork under a new license I believe since BSD is a permissive license.The reverse , however , would not be true.Cheers</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Enlightment is BSD licensed.
You can't just change it to LGPL-3.Actually, being BSD licensed, you can release a fork under a new license I believe since BSD is a permissive license.The reverse, however, would not be true.Cheers
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30146798</id>
	<title>v2.0?</title>
	<author>MonsterTrimble</author>
	<datestamp>1257104040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>This can only be considered a good thing - another <b>well funded</b> GUI to go against Gnome, KDE &amp; XCFE. Myself I have been looking over OpenGEU for a while (even ran it for a week) and while I really like some of the features it's not ready for prime time. I partially blame the integration of GTK pieces into Enlightenment but I feel that is a necessity at this moment. If funding from Samsung can improve Enlightenment to where it has a stable, 100\% native suite then only good things can happen.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This can only be considered a good thing - another well funded GUI to go against Gnome , KDE &amp; XCFE .
Myself I have been looking over OpenGEU for a while ( even ran it for a week ) and while I really like some of the features it 's not ready for prime time .
I partially blame the integration of GTK pieces into Enlightenment but I feel that is a necessity at this moment .
If funding from Samsung can improve Enlightenment to where it has a stable , 100 \ % native suite then only good things can happen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This can only be considered a good thing - another well funded GUI to go against Gnome, KDE &amp; XCFE.
Myself I have been looking over OpenGEU for a while (even ran it for a week) and while I really like some of the features it's not ready for prime time.
I partially blame the integration of GTK pieces into Enlightenment but I feel that is a necessity at this moment.
If funding from Samsung can improve Enlightenment to where it has a stable, 100\% native suite then only good things can happen.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30147424</id>
	<title>Re:Kill the X Boondoggle Already</title>
	<author>clang\_jangle</author>
	<datestamp>1257107040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You're right about that.<br>
I think what happens is they use a package manager to install every available bit of xorg when a given machine will need perhaps 10\% of it. Also people who use GUIs for everything will tend to see a lot of bloat and unresponsiveness. But for those of us who know what we're doing, X is still pretty cool.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're right about that .
I think what happens is they use a package manager to install every available bit of xorg when a given machine will need perhaps 10 \ % of it .
Also people who use GUIs for everything will tend to see a lot of bloat and unresponsiveness .
But for those of us who know what we 're doing , X is still pretty cool .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're right about that.
I think what happens is they use a package manager to install every available bit of xorg when a given machine will need perhaps 10\% of it.
Also people who use GUIs for everything will tend to see a lot of bloat and unresponsiveness.
But for those of us who know what we're doing, X is still pretty cool.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30156886</id>
	<title>Re:v2.0?</title>
	<author>dantum\_sh</author>
	<datestamp>1258648140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I agree, Englightment was always a little bit different from the rest of the Window Managers. I would love to see more active development of it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree , Englightment was always a little bit different from the rest of the Window Managers .
I would love to see more active development of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree, Englightment was always a little bit different from the rest of the Window Managers.
I would love to see more active development of it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30147364</id>
	<title>Samsung sponsering Enlightenment., but ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257106620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why, for the love of God, Why ? What's in this for Samsung ? Are they going to run Enlightenment on their mobile phones ? Their TV's ? What ?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why , for the love of God , Why ?
What 's in this for Samsung ?
Are they going to run Enlightenment on their mobile phones ?
Their TV 's ?
What ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why, for the love of God, Why ?
What's in this for Samsung ?
Are they going to run Enlightenment on their mobile phones ?
Their TV's ?
What ?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30148666</id>
	<title>Re:Excellent!</title>
	<author>SerpensV</author>
	<datestamp>1257069900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe we can even run it on GNU/Hurd.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe we can even run it on GNU/Hurd .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe we can even run it on GNU/Hurd.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30148228</id>
	<title>Re:v2.0?</title>
	<author>bzipitidoo</author>
	<datestamp>1257068100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is good news.  I'm always looking around for faster desktop environments.  Enlightenment is one I keep occasional tabs on.  Also Equinox and LXDE.  And plain old windows managers too, such as JWM, IceWM, and Fluxbox. The Wikipedia list of these is handy.

</p><p>XFCE feels bloated and slow, but they brag that they're faster than Gnome or KDE.  Just looking at XFCE's memory consumption was depressing.  And who wants animation when slow screen repaints provide plenty of eye candy?  One thing that makes XFCE so confounded slow, especially on older hardware, is dynamic font antialiasing and hinting.  Turn that off and XFCE is noticeably faster.  Of course then text looks awful, but this can be worked around by switching fonts.  Trouble with that is the only font I have found that looks decent without antialiasing and hinting is the fixed monospace ones.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is good news .
I 'm always looking around for faster desktop environments .
Enlightenment is one I keep occasional tabs on .
Also Equinox and LXDE .
And plain old windows managers too , such as JWM , IceWM , and Fluxbox .
The Wikipedia list of these is handy .
XFCE feels bloated and slow , but they brag that they 're faster than Gnome or KDE .
Just looking at XFCE 's memory consumption was depressing .
And who wants animation when slow screen repaints provide plenty of eye candy ?
One thing that makes XFCE so confounded slow , especially on older hardware , is dynamic font antialiasing and hinting .
Turn that off and XFCE is noticeably faster .
Of course then text looks awful , but this can be worked around by switching fonts .
Trouble with that is the only font I have found that looks decent without antialiasing and hinting is the fixed monospace ones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is good news.
I'm always looking around for faster desktop environments.
Enlightenment is one I keep occasional tabs on.
Also Equinox and LXDE.
And plain old windows managers too, such as JWM, IceWM, and Fluxbox.
The Wikipedia list of these is handy.
XFCE feels bloated and slow, but they brag that they're faster than Gnome or KDE.
Just looking at XFCE's memory consumption was depressing.
And who wants animation when slow screen repaints provide plenty of eye candy?
One thing that makes XFCE so confounded slow, especially on older hardware, is dynamic font antialiasing and hinting.
Turn that off and XFCE is noticeably faster.
Of course then text looks awful, but this can be worked around by switching fonts.
Trouble with that is the only font I have found that looks decent without antialiasing and hinting is the fixed monospace ones.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30148422</id>
	<title>Re:Excellent!</title>
	<author>failedlogic</author>
	<datestamp>1257069000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was looking at the source in the latest CVS builds. The devs have commented (caveat this is not the exact quote):<nobr> <wbr></nobr>// This lib is for Holographic Projectors display.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>// E17 is running pretty well on LCDs but when<nobr> <wbr></nobr>// version 1.0 hits, we'll have to be ready<nobr> <wbr></nobr>// for the current tech.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was looking at the source in the latest CVS builds .
The devs have commented ( caveat this is not the exact quote ) : // This lib is for Holographic Projectors display .
// E17 is running pretty well on LCDs but when // version 1.0 hits , we 'll have to be ready // for the current tech .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was looking at the source in the latest CVS builds.
The devs have commented (caveat this is not the exact quote): // This lib is for Holographic Projectors display.
// E17 is running pretty well on LCDs but when // version 1.0 hits, we'll have to be ready // for the current tech.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30153538</id>
	<title>Re:At least it's not from the 70s</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257104400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I build Linux From Scratch every now and then and frankly the system makes you a minimalist. I have a diagram with Xorgs minimum dependencies clearly defined, didn't get to build it as I got distracted with the bsd families.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) At the time though I was also looking at directfb. http://www.directfb.org/ that looks like some good mojo.</p><p>Anyhoo, the clip from the unix hater's guidebook is fracking hilarious!</p><p>~cyphercell</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I build Linux From Scratch every now and then and frankly the system makes you a minimalist .
I have a diagram with Xorgs minimum dependencies clearly defined , did n't get to build it as I got distracted with the bsd families .
: ) At the time though I was also looking at directfb .
http : //www.directfb.org/ that looks like some good mojo.Anyhoo , the clip from the unix hater 's guidebook is fracking hilarious ! ~ cyphercell</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I build Linux From Scratch every now and then and frankly the system makes you a minimalist.
I have a diagram with Xorgs minimum dependencies clearly defined, didn't get to build it as I got distracted with the bsd families.
:) At the time though I was also looking at directfb.
http://www.directfb.org/ that looks like some good mojo.Anyhoo, the clip from the unix hater's guidebook is fracking hilarious!~cyphercell</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30148656</id>
	<title>Re:Wow!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257069900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><blockquote><div><p> Samsung Sponsors the Development of Enlightenment</p></div></blockquote><p>That's pretty ambitious.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p><p>So, a Buddhist walks up to a hot dog vendor, and says "make me one with everything".<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-P</p><p>Cheers</p></div><p>I wonder if I can admin enlightenment with god ( http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;source=web&amp;ct=res&amp;cd=1&amp;ved=0CAwQFjAA&amp;url=http\%3A\%2F\%2Fgod.rubyforge.org\%2F&amp;ei=bGEES6m5HM6sngfg5ul2&amp;usg=AFQjCNHXQRzglLLA2e6X8TYH3Rb1E1x2xg )</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Samsung Sponsors the Development of EnlightenmentThat 's pretty ambitious .
; - ) So , a Buddhist walks up to a hot dog vendor , and says " make me one with everything " .
: -PCheersI wonder if I can admin enlightenment with god ( http : //www.google.com/url ? sa = t&amp;source = web&amp;ct = res&amp;cd = 1&amp;ved = 0CAwQFjAA&amp;url = http \ % 3A \ % 2F \ % 2Fgod.rubyforge.org \ % 2F&amp;ei = bGEES6m5HM6sngfg5ul2&amp;usg = AFQjCNHXQRzglLLA2e6X8TYH3Rb1E1x2xg )</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Samsung Sponsors the Development of EnlightenmentThat's pretty ambitious.
;-)So, a Buddhist walks up to a hot dog vendor, and says "make me one with everything".
:-PCheersI wonder if I can admin enlightenment with god ( http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;source=web&amp;ct=res&amp;cd=1&amp;ved=0CAwQFjAA&amp;url=http\%3A\%2F\%2Fgod.rubyforge.org\%2F&amp;ei=bGEES6m5HM6sngfg5ul2&amp;usg=AFQjCNHXQRzglLLA2e6X8TYH3Rb1E1x2xg )
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30147688</id>
	<title>Re:Kill the X Boondoggle Already</title>
	<author>Andy Dodd</author>
	<datestamp>1257108300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>UNIX in general?  (With Linux effectively being a re-implementation of UNIX.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>UNIX in general ?
( With Linux effectively being a re-implementation of UNIX .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>UNIX in general?
(With Linux effectively being a re-implementation of UNIX.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30147696</id>
	<title>Re:Kill the X Boondoggle Already</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257108360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have worked with X and I would love to hear what makes it great.  I will agree that current implementations seem to leave a lot to be desired but how much of that is because of the actual design and how much is because of poor programing?<br>What makes X better than say Quartz? Or the current Windows graphics systems? I like most programers these days just us GTK or QT for our apps.<br>So for the average users what makes X the best besides the large amount of existing software running on it? I honestly wonder just how much of that we would loose if x was replaced as long as you ported GTK and QT to the new display system. For the hard core apps you could just run x on top of the new system like Apple does.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have worked with X and I would love to hear what makes it great .
I will agree that current implementations seem to leave a lot to be desired but how much of that is because of the actual design and how much is because of poor programing ? What makes X better than say Quartz ?
Or the current Windows graphics systems ?
I like most programers these days just us GTK or QT for our apps.So for the average users what makes X the best besides the large amount of existing software running on it ?
I honestly wonder just how much of that we would loose if x was replaced as long as you ported GTK and QT to the new display system .
For the hard core apps you could just run x on top of the new system like Apple does .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have worked with X and I would love to hear what makes it great.
I will agree that current implementations seem to leave a lot to be desired but how much of that is because of the actual design and how much is because of poor programing?What makes X better than say Quartz?
Or the current Windows graphics systems?
I like most programers these days just us GTK or QT for our apps.So for the average users what makes X the best besides the large amount of existing software running on it?
I honestly wonder just how much of that we would loose if x was replaced as long as you ported GTK and QT to the new display system.
For the hard core apps you could just run x on top of the new system like Apple does.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30152342</id>
	<title>Re:Seems Obvious</title>
	<author>dbIII</author>
	<datestamp>1257089580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've been using version 0.16 for ten years and it's my desktop now becuase updates and bugfixes have kept coming.<br>Version 0.17 was a very ambitious restart by people that now have day jobs and wabted to get all the supporting libraries right first.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been using version 0.16 for ten years and it 's my desktop now becuase updates and bugfixes have kept coming.Version 0.17 was a very ambitious restart by people that now have day jobs and wabted to get all the supporting libraries right first .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been using version 0.16 for ten years and it's my desktop now becuase updates and bugfixes have kept coming.Version 0.17 was a very ambitious restart by people that now have day jobs and wabted to get all the supporting libraries right first.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30146866</id>
	<title>Excellent!</title>
	<author>Jerrry</author>
	<datestamp>1257104280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now maybe we'll see the final release of E17 before the 22nd century. Who knows, it may even come out before Duke Nukem Forever.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now maybe we 'll see the final release of E17 before the 22nd century .
Who knows , it may even come out before Duke Nukem Forever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now maybe we'll see the final release of E17 before the 22nd century.
Who knows, it may even come out before Duke Nukem Forever.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30148150</id>
	<title>Re:Kill the X Boondoggle Already</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257067620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a really new computer, I'm sure it doesn't use the binary system anymore. Or TCPIP, whatever that is. I just use Facebook.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a really new computer , I 'm sure it does n't use the binary system anymore .
Or TCPIP , whatever that is .
I just use Facebook .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a really new computer, I'm sure it doesn't use the binary system anymore.
Or TCPIP, whatever that is.
I just use Facebook.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30148358</id>
	<title>Re:E17 is pretty stable now</title>
	<author>failedlogic</author>
	<datestamp>1257068700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I remember several years ago, Rasterman had posted on his personal website that he was working on E17 to work with mobile phones and had a picture of his own phone running some version or semblance of E17. All I know is if this phone works out pretty well in the next 2 years, my next phone is going to be running E17. The interface I'm sure is going to be fun to use.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I remember several years ago , Rasterman had posted on his personal website that he was working on E17 to work with mobile phones and had a picture of his own phone running some version or semblance of E17 .
All I know is if this phone works out pretty well in the next 2 years , my next phone is going to be running E17 .
The interface I 'm sure is going to be fun to use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I remember several years ago, Rasterman had posted on his personal website that he was working on E17 to work with mobile phones and had a picture of his own phone running some version or semblance of E17.
All I know is if this phone works out pretty well in the next 2 years, my next phone is going to be running E17.
The interface I'm sure is going to be fun to use.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30147168</id>
	<title>Windowmaker and GNUstep</title>
	<author>argent</author>
	<datestamp>1257105720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wish someone would do the same with Windowmaker and GNUstep, but I suspect the licensing has closed off that path.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wish someone would do the same with Windowmaker and GNUstep , but I suspect the licensing has closed off that path .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wish someone would do the same with Windowmaker and GNUstep, but I suspect the licensing has closed off that path.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30152332</id>
	<title>Re:Hey Obamaheads, how's it going?</title>
	<author>shentino</author>
	<datestamp>1257089520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Gitmo never should have existed in the first place.</p><p>By all rights their due process and right to a fair trial has been severely compromised.  That is: irreparable harm, prejudicial, and every other legal term you can come up with.  It's time to bite the bullet and let them go.  Any US citizen in their shoes would have had their ass habeas corpus'ed out of there a long time ago.</p><p>Yes, even though some of them might really be terrorists that is no excuse to run roughshod over their rights.  Though I wouldn't want to be in the shoes of the supremes if it ever went to SCOTUS.</p><p>The government fucked up and it's time to let them out.  If they're really security risks then put some damned surveillance on them.  It's not like we're short of manpower.</p><p>If the government wants to charge these assholes and get them locked up/executed it needs to do it by the book.  ANY compromise...yes, even in the name of national security...is a violation of our constitutional principles.</p><p>Since nobody ever bothered to try them, double jeopardy sure as hell isn't going to stop the feds from doing their job, getting their evidence, and THEN pinching them.</p><p>Of course, if the feds don't want to admit to that, they could at least save some face and consider them POWs...and follow geneva conventions.</p><p>Where exactly did the feds capture the gitmo prisoners at anyway?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Gitmo never should have existed in the first place.By all rights their due process and right to a fair trial has been severely compromised .
That is : irreparable harm , prejudicial , and every other legal term you can come up with .
It 's time to bite the bullet and let them go .
Any US citizen in their shoes would have had their ass habeas corpus'ed out of there a long time ago.Yes , even though some of them might really be terrorists that is no excuse to run roughshod over their rights .
Though I would n't want to be in the shoes of the supremes if it ever went to SCOTUS.The government fucked up and it 's time to let them out .
If they 're really security risks then put some damned surveillance on them .
It 's not like we 're short of manpower.If the government wants to charge these assholes and get them locked up/executed it needs to do it by the book .
ANY compromise...yes , even in the name of national security...is a violation of our constitutional principles.Since nobody ever bothered to try them , double jeopardy sure as hell is n't going to stop the feds from doing their job , getting their evidence , and THEN pinching them.Of course , if the feds do n't want to admit to that , they could at least save some face and consider them POWs...and follow geneva conventions.Where exactly did the feds capture the gitmo prisoners at anyway ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gitmo never should have existed in the first place.By all rights their due process and right to a fair trial has been severely compromised.
That is: irreparable harm, prejudicial, and every other legal term you can come up with.
It's time to bite the bullet and let them go.
Any US citizen in their shoes would have had their ass habeas corpus'ed out of there a long time ago.Yes, even though some of them might really be terrorists that is no excuse to run roughshod over their rights.
Though I wouldn't want to be in the shoes of the supremes if it ever went to SCOTUS.The government fucked up and it's time to let them out.
If they're really security risks then put some damned surveillance on them.
It's not like we're short of manpower.If the government wants to charge these assholes and get them locked up/executed it needs to do it by the book.
ANY compromise...yes, even in the name of national security...is a violation of our constitutional principles.Since nobody ever bothered to try them, double jeopardy sure as hell isn't going to stop the feds from doing their job, getting their evidence, and THEN pinching them.Of course, if the feds don't want to admit to that, they could at least save some face and consider them POWs...and follow geneva conventions.Where exactly did the feds capture the gitmo prisoners at anyway?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30147830</id>
	<title>Some explain the Linux GUI thing?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257109080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You have Window managers and desktops and whatnot. X-windows, gnome, enlightenment, etc. From my reading it seems x-windows and enlightenment do overlapping things. There seems to be a lot of confusion as to what to use, there is no consistency to this area.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You have Window managers and desktops and whatnot .
X-windows , gnome , enlightenment , etc .
From my reading it seems x-windows and enlightenment do overlapping things .
There seems to be a lot of confusion as to what to use , there is no consistency to this area .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You have Window managers and desktops and whatnot.
X-windows, gnome, enlightenment, etc.
From my reading it seems x-windows and enlightenment do overlapping things.
There seems to be a lot of confusion as to what to use, there is no consistency to this area.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30148324</id>
	<title>Obvious for netbooks</title>
	<author>SgtChaireBourne</author>
	<datestamp>1257068580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Samsung is awesome, so is enlightenment.
</p><p>It's like Fluxbox in terms of resource use (and unfortunately on flashy little GUI indicators) but looks amazing!
</p><p>Kudos on this! Let's get windows management handled! It's been so many years of updates on something that should have been handled by now!</p><p>

I've been using Compiz on my desktop the last few months, and the jury is still out.  On the netbook, I went all the way back to FVWM just for the speed.  The crystal theme is not bad and even the basic FVWM can be pimped out, within limits.  I used Enlightenment for years, so this is great news.  It is time to take a look at it again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Samsung is awesome , so is enlightenment .
It 's like Fluxbox in terms of resource use ( and unfortunately on flashy little GUI indicators ) but looks amazing !
Kudos on this !
Let 's get windows management handled !
It 's been so many years of updates on something that should have been handled by now !
I 've been using Compiz on my desktop the last few months , and the jury is still out .
On the netbook , I went all the way back to FVWM just for the speed .
The crystal theme is not bad and even the basic FVWM can be pimped out , within limits .
I used Enlightenment for years , so this is great news .
It is time to take a look at it again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Samsung is awesome, so is enlightenment.
It's like Fluxbox in terms of resource use (and unfortunately on flashy little GUI indicators) but looks amazing!
Kudos on this!
Let's get windows management handled!
It's been so many years of updates on something that should have been handled by now!
I've been using Compiz on my desktop the last few months, and the jury is still out.
On the netbook, I went all the way back to FVWM just for the speed.
The crystal theme is not bad and even the basic FVWM can be pimped out, within limits.
I used Enlightenment for years, so this is great news.
It is time to take a look at it again.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30148920</id>
	<title>Re:Used E again recently....</title>
	<author>Chris Burke</author>
	<datestamp>1257071280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just fyi, your window manager has nothing to do with your Blender window not being hardware accelerated.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just fyi , your window manager has nothing to do with your Blender window not being hardware accelerated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just fyi, your window manager has nothing to do with your Blender window not being hardware accelerated.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30147134</id>
	<title>Kill the X Boondoggle Already</title>
	<author>lobiusmoop</author>
	<datestamp>1257105600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>X is an <a href="http://www.art.net/~hopkins/Don/unix-haters/x-windows/disaster.html" title="art.net" rel="nofollow">over-engineered monstrous relic from the mid-80's</a> [art.net], and the window-managers on top of it are lipstick-on-a-pig kludges. Hopefully Google will present something to potentially replace it with when they announce their <a href="http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html" title="blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Chrome OS</a> [blogspot.com] tomorrow.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>X is an over-engineered monstrous relic from the mid-80 's [ art.net ] , and the window-managers on top of it are lipstick-on-a-pig kludges .
Hopefully Google will present something to potentially replace it with when they announce their Chrome OS [ blogspot.com ] tomorrow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>X is an over-engineered monstrous relic from the mid-80's [art.net], and the window-managers on top of it are lipstick-on-a-pig kludges.
Hopefully Google will present something to potentially replace it with when they announce their Chrome OS [blogspot.com] tomorrow.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30149668</id>
	<title>Re:Used E again recently....</title>
	<author>Late Adopter</author>
	<datestamp>1257074820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The nice thing about desktop components is that they are often independent programs from the window manager.  You can mix and match.  If you like Compiz, you can run it in GNOME instead of Metacity.  If you like Nautilus, you can run it in E instead of MC.  Feel free to poke around and find out what it is that's actually responsible for the things you like in your system.
<br> <br>
As for GL, as a sibling mentioned, that's X's responsibility.  E won't affect that, and neither will the presence or lack of compositing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The nice thing about desktop components is that they are often independent programs from the window manager .
You can mix and match .
If you like Compiz , you can run it in GNOME instead of Metacity .
If you like Nautilus , you can run it in E instead of MC .
Feel free to poke around and find out what it is that 's actually responsible for the things you like in your system .
As for GL , as a sibling mentioned , that 's X 's responsibility .
E wo n't affect that , and neither will the presence or lack of compositing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The nice thing about desktop components is that they are often independent programs from the window manager.
You can mix and match.
If you like Compiz, you can run it in GNOME instead of Metacity.
If you like Nautilus, you can run it in E instead of MC.
Feel free to poke around and find out what it is that's actually responsible for the things you like in your system.
As for GL, as a sibling mentioned, that's X's responsibility.
E won't affect that, and neither will the presence or lack of compositing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30146776</id>
	<title>Scooped</title>
	<author>d34dluk3</author>
	<datestamp>1257103920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Enlightenment already developed by Rousseau, Diderot, and Voltaire, among others.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Enlightenment already developed by Rousseau , Diderot , and Voltaire , among others .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Enlightenment already developed by Rousseau, Diderot, and Voltaire, among others.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30147474</id>
	<title>Hey Obamaheads, how's it going?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257107340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is Gitmo closed?  How's that warrantless wiretapping thing going?  Is the NSA still eavesdropping on your 1-900 calls?  How's the stimulus package working out for you?  What's that?  China is making all of the wind turbines for T Boone Pickens' wind farm project?  Stimulus money went to nonexistent congressional districts?  How about lobbyists being banned from the White House, and from the administration altogether?  How's that working out for you?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is Gitmo closed ?
How 's that warrantless wiretapping thing going ?
Is the NSA still eavesdropping on your 1-900 calls ?
How 's the stimulus package working out for you ?
What 's that ?
China is making all of the wind turbines for T Boone Pickens ' wind farm project ?
Stimulus money went to nonexistent congressional districts ?
How about lobbyists being banned from the White House , and from the administration altogether ?
How 's that working out for you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is Gitmo closed?
How's that warrantless wiretapping thing going?
Is the NSA still eavesdropping on your 1-900 calls?
How's the stimulus package working out for you?
What's that?
China is making all of the wind turbines for T Boone Pickens' wind farm project?
Stimulus money went to nonexistent congressional districts?
How about lobbyists being banned from the White House, and from the administration altogether?
How's that working out for you?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30146708</id>
	<title>Wow!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257103680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> Samsung Sponsors the Development of Enlightenment</p></div></blockquote><p>That's pretty ambitious.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p><p>So, a Buddhist walks up to a hot dog vendor, and says "make me one with everything".<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-P</p><p>Cheers</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Samsung Sponsors the Development of EnlightenmentThat 's pretty ambitious .
; - ) So , a Buddhist walks up to a hot dog vendor , and says " make me one with everything " .
: -PCheers</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Samsung Sponsors the Development of EnlightenmentThat's pretty ambitious.
;-)So, a Buddhist walks up to a hot dog vendor, and says "make me one with everything".
:-PCheers
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30146806</id>
	<title>E17 is pretty stable now</title>
	<author>jlowe</author>
	<datestamp>1257104040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>While news on the site may have been sparse, quite a lot of work has been going on with E17 development.  The developers had released a roadmap showing that perhaps it would be ready for a Christmas release.  While I doubt that milestone will be achieved, it has made significant progress.<p>I've been using it for months as my desktop at home and on my laptop.  It is quite usable and I've had zero crashes for a while now.  Rasterman has always had a focus on small-screen devices, so this development doesn't surprise me.  But if you haven't checked it out in a while, you should.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While news on the site may have been sparse , quite a lot of work has been going on with E17 development .
The developers had released a roadmap showing that perhaps it would be ready for a Christmas release .
While I doubt that milestone will be achieved , it has made significant progress.I 've been using it for months as my desktop at home and on my laptop .
It is quite usable and I 've had zero crashes for a while now .
Rasterman has always had a focus on small-screen devices , so this development does n't surprise me .
But if you have n't checked it out in a while , you should .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While news on the site may have been sparse, quite a lot of work has been going on with E17 development.
The developers had released a roadmap showing that perhaps it would be ready for a Christmas release.
While I doubt that milestone will be achieved, it has made significant progress.I've been using it for months as my desktop at home and on my laptop.
It is quite usable and I've had zero crashes for a while now.
Rasterman has always had a focus on small-screen devices, so this development doesn't surprise me.
But if you haven't checked it out in a while, you should.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30147026</id>
	<title>Re:v2.0?</title>
	<author>the\_womble</author>
	<datestamp>1257104940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What do you mean by "100\% native suite" and why does it matter?</p><p>I always use some KDE/QT apps with XFCE and I used to use some Gtk apps with KDE.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What do you mean by " 100 \ % native suite " and why does it matter ? I always use some KDE/QT apps with XFCE and I used to use some Gtk apps with KDE .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What do you mean by "100\% native suite" and why does it matter?I always use some KDE/QT apps with XFCE and I used to use some Gtk apps with KDE.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30147230</id>
	<title>Re:Kill the X Boondoggle Already</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257106080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Funny how this argument mostly comes from people who know virtually nothing about X. Most importantly, not the difference between the concept, the protocol and the implementation.</p><p>And just because it's 20 years old doesn't mean it sucks. How old is TCP/IP? The mouse? The binary system?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny how this argument mostly comes from people who know virtually nothing about X. Most importantly , not the difference between the concept , the protocol and the implementation.And just because it 's 20 years old does n't mean it sucks .
How old is TCP/IP ?
The mouse ?
The binary system ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny how this argument mostly comes from people who know virtually nothing about X. Most importantly, not the difference between the concept, the protocol and the implementation.And just because it's 20 years old doesn't mean it sucks.
How old is TCP/IP?
The mouse?
The binary system?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30161604</id>
	<title>Re:LGPL-3?</title>
	<author>Simetrical</author>
	<datestamp>1258662660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Enlightment is BSD licensed.  You can't just change it to LGPL-3.</p></div><p>No, but you can redistribute a version that contains LGPLv3 changes, and not say which parts you changed.  Then the work may as well be only LGPLv3.  You can argue that theoretically, some of the code is BSD and not LGPL, but you have to satisfy the LGPL's requirements for the whole thing and that means you automatically satisfy the BSD requirements (as those are strictly weaker), so the distinction is academic.

</p><p>Of course, none of this changes the status of the original version of Enlightenment from its original source.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Enlightment is BSD licensed .
You ca n't just change it to LGPL-3.No , but you can redistribute a version that contains LGPLv3 changes , and not say which parts you changed .
Then the work may as well be only LGPLv3 .
You can argue that theoretically , some of the code is BSD and not LGPL , but you have to satisfy the LGPL 's requirements for the whole thing and that means you automatically satisfy the BSD requirements ( as those are strictly weaker ) , so the distinction is academic .
Of course , none of this changes the status of the original version of Enlightenment from its original source .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Enlightment is BSD licensed.
You can't just change it to LGPL-3.No, but you can redistribute a version that contains LGPLv3 changes, and not say which parts you changed.
Then the work may as well be only LGPLv3.
You can argue that theoretically, some of the code is BSD and not LGPL, but you have to satisfy the LGPL's requirements for the whole thing and that means you automatically satisfy the BSD requirements (as those are strictly weaker), so the distinction is academic.
Of course, none of this changes the status of the original version of Enlightenment from its original source.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30147526</id>
	<title>I love enlightenment</title>
	<author>logicassasin</author>
	<datestamp>1257107520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In fact, the old Gnome/Enlightnement desktop paradigm is what originally convinced me to try Linux back in 2000 after hearing a bunch of "linux doesn't even have a desktop!" talk by coworkers. I tried it out and eventually learned that I could run with just Enlightenment and did that and never looked back. I've run AfterStep, Windowmaker, Black/Fluxbox, and a number of other WM's, but will always manage to come back to Enlightenment.</p><p>These days, when I bring up new linux installs, the number one task on my list is to get Enlightenment DR16 up and running if it wasn't installed by default.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In fact , the old Gnome/Enlightnement desktop paradigm is what originally convinced me to try Linux back in 2000 after hearing a bunch of " linux does n't even have a desktop !
" talk by coworkers .
I tried it out and eventually learned that I could run with just Enlightenment and did that and never looked back .
I 've run AfterStep , Windowmaker , Black/Fluxbox , and a number of other WM 's , but will always manage to come back to Enlightenment.These days , when I bring up new linux installs , the number one task on my list is to get Enlightenment DR16 up and running if it was n't installed by default .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In fact, the old Gnome/Enlightnement desktop paradigm is what originally convinced me to try Linux back in 2000 after hearing a bunch of "linux doesn't even have a desktop!
" talk by coworkers.
I tried it out and eventually learned that I could run with just Enlightenment and did that and never looked back.
I've run AfterStep, Windowmaker, Black/Fluxbox, and a number of other WM's, but will always manage to come back to Enlightenment.These days, when I bring up new linux installs, the number one task on my list is to get Enlightenment DR16 up and running if it wasn't installed by default.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30146926</id>
	<title>Re:Seems Obvious</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257104520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Enlightenment was awesome about 10 years ago, when it was streets ahead of every other desktop in terms of looks.  Unfortunately, it has been in alpha since then, so I'm afraid, in my opinion, it has missed the boat.  Pity.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Enlightenment was awesome about 10 years ago , when it was streets ahead of every other desktop in terms of looks .
Unfortunately , it has been in alpha since then , so I 'm afraid , in my opinion , it has missed the boat .
Pity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Enlightenment was awesome about 10 years ago, when it was streets ahead of every other desktop in terms of looks.
Unfortunately, it has been in alpha since then, so I'm afraid, in my opinion, it has missed the boat.
Pity.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30150208</id>
	<title>Re:Hey Obamaheads, how's it going?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257076800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>1. borrow stimulus money from china<br>
2. spend money on chinese crap<br>
3. ????<br>
4. profit!</htmltext>
<tokenext>1. borrow stimulus money from china 2. spend money on chinese crap 3 .
? ? ? ? 4. profit !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1. borrow stimulus money from china
2. spend money on chinese crap
3.
????
4. profit!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30147156</id>
	<title>Very interesting</title>
	<author>Lemming Mark</author>
	<datestamp>1257105660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Enlightenment generally seems reckoned to be very nice technology.  I've been repeatedly surprised to see Enlightenment popping up in commercial products here and there; Edje-based wallpapers can even be loaded in KDE now.  Evidently it's a strong piece of work and it'll be really interesting to see where this sponsorship gets them.  It certainly seems an enlightened approach.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Enlightenment generally seems reckoned to be very nice technology .
I 've been repeatedly surprised to see Enlightenment popping up in commercial products here and there ; Edje-based wallpapers can even be loaded in KDE now .
Evidently it 's a strong piece of work and it 'll be really interesting to see where this sponsorship gets them .
It certainly seems an enlightened approach .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Enlightenment generally seems reckoned to be very nice technology.
I've been repeatedly surprised to see Enlightenment popping up in commercial products here and there; Edje-based wallpapers can even be loaded in KDE now.
Evidently it's a strong piece of work and it'll be really interesting to see where this sponsorship gets them.
It certainly seems an enlightened approach.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30147570</id>
	<title>Re:Wow!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257107760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Meh.  Waterfall projects.  Samsara with its continual release cycles is much more agile.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Meh .
Waterfall projects .
Samsara with its continual release cycles is much more agile .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Meh.
Waterfall projects.
Samsara with its continual release cycles is much more agile.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1816247.30147900</id>
	<title>Re:Kill the X Boondoggle Already</title>
	<author>GaryOlson</author>
	<datestamp>1257066300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, since values for the binary system can include 0 or 1<br>
and the binary system has existed for a finite period of time, the value cannot be 0,<br>
therefore the age of the binary system is 1.<br> <br>Now we just have to determine a proper unit of measure for 1.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , since values for the binary system can include 0 or 1 and the binary system has existed for a finite period of time , the value can not be 0 , therefore the age of the binary system is 1 .
Now we just have to determine a proper unit of measure for 1 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, since values for the binary system can include 0 or 1
and the binary system has existed for a finite period of time, the value cannot be 0,
therefore the age of the binary system is 1.
Now we just have to determine a proper unit of measure for 1.</sentencetext>
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