<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_18_1153247</id>
	<title>AMD Radeon HD 5970 Dual-GPU Card Sweeps Benchmarks</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1258549740000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>MojoKid writes <i>"AMD launched yet another high-end graphics card based on their Radeon HD 5800 series technology, and this time it's a dual-GPU variant. Considering the fact that AMD's Radeon HD 5870 is currently the fastest single-GPU powered graphics card currently on the market, the new <a href="http://hothardware.com/Articles/ATI-Radeon-HD-5970-DualGPU-Powerhouse/">dual-GPU powered Radeon HD 5970</a> should offer performance that completely outclasses any other single graphics card on the market right now. The card has 3200 stream processors under the hood, though its graphics engines are built on 40nm manufacturing technology, so <a href="http://hothardware.com/Articles/ATI-Radeon-HD-5970-DualGPU-Powerhouse/?page=11">power consumption</a> isn't actually too insane. The card does exceptionally well in the usual <a href="http://hothardware.com/Articles/ATI-Radeon-HD-5970-DualGPU-Powerhouse/?page=8">benchmarks</a>, as expected."</i> HotHardware has begun providing <a href="http://hothardware.com/printarticle.aspx?articleid=1417">single-page views</a> &mdash; a user-friendly decision. PCPer.com <a href="http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=820">also has coverage</a>. And pcpro.co.uk wonders whether, at 13" (33 cm) in length, the new card will even <a href="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/353401/will-atis-new-world-beating-graphics-card-fit-inside-pcs">fit in most PC cases</a>.</htmltext>
<tokenext>MojoKid writes " AMD launched yet another high-end graphics card based on their Radeon HD 5800 series technology , and this time it 's a dual-GPU variant .
Considering the fact that AMD 's Radeon HD 5870 is currently the fastest single-GPU powered graphics card currently on the market , the new dual-GPU powered Radeon HD 5970 should offer performance that completely outclasses any other single graphics card on the market right now .
The card has 3200 stream processors under the hood , though its graphics engines are built on 40nm manufacturing technology , so power consumption is n't actually too insane .
The card does exceptionally well in the usual benchmarks , as expected .
" HotHardware has begun providing single-page views    a user-friendly decision .
PCPer.com also has coverage .
And pcpro.co.uk wonders whether , at 13 " ( 33 cm ) in length , the new card will even fit in most PC cases .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MojoKid writes "AMD launched yet another high-end graphics card based on their Radeon HD 5800 series technology, and this time it's a dual-GPU variant.
Considering the fact that AMD's Radeon HD 5870 is currently the fastest single-GPU powered graphics card currently on the market, the new dual-GPU powered Radeon HD 5970 should offer performance that completely outclasses any other single graphics card on the market right now.
The card has 3200 stream processors under the hood, though its graphics engines are built on 40nm manufacturing technology, so power consumption isn't actually too insane.
The card does exceptionally well in the usual benchmarks, as expected.
" HotHardware has begun providing single-page views — a user-friendly decision.
PCPer.com also has coverage.
And pcpro.co.uk wonders whether, at 13" (33 cm) in length, the new card will even fit in most PC cases.</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30143540</id>
	<title>Re:games?</title>
	<author>Taxman415a</author>
	<datestamp>1257091020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you read TFA you'll see that Crysis pretty much requires one of these very high end cards to run at high resolutions and better than 30 frames per second.
That's not really what interests me though. The fact that this card has nearly a teraflop of double precision floating point processing power is the most impressive for GPGPU applications. GPGPU applications typically don't care about the single precision number that the card companies like to point out. To figure out what the integer capabilities are you really have to look at the specific problem.<br> <br>
Too bad AMD isn't putting much focus on GPGPU and has only released a beta SDK that still is more difficult to use than CUDA. <a href="http://www.nvidia.com/object/product\_tesla\_c1060\_us.html" title="nvidia.com">Nvidia's Tesla</a> [nvidia.com] only has 78 gigaflops double precision, but it has 4GB of RAM on it. If AMD put the focus on that a bit, they could crush Nvidia.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you read TFA you 'll see that Crysis pretty much requires one of these very high end cards to run at high resolutions and better than 30 frames per second .
That 's not really what interests me though .
The fact that this card has nearly a teraflop of double precision floating point processing power is the most impressive for GPGPU applications .
GPGPU applications typically do n't care about the single precision number that the card companies like to point out .
To figure out what the integer capabilities are you really have to look at the specific problem .
Too bad AMD is n't putting much focus on GPGPU and has only released a beta SDK that still is more difficult to use than CUDA .
Nvidia 's Tesla [ nvidia.com ] only has 78 gigaflops double precision , but it has 4GB of RAM on it .
If AMD put the focus on that a bit , they could crush Nvidia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you read TFA you'll see that Crysis pretty much requires one of these very high end cards to run at high resolutions and better than 30 frames per second.
That's not really what interests me though.
The fact that this card has nearly a teraflop of double precision floating point processing power is the most impressive for GPGPU applications.
GPGPU applications typically don't care about the single precision number that the card companies like to point out.
To figure out what the integer capabilities are you really have to look at the specific problem.
Too bad AMD isn't putting much focus on GPGPU and has only released a beta SDK that still is more difficult to use than CUDA.
Nvidia's Tesla [nvidia.com] only has 78 gigaflops double precision, but it has 4GB of RAM on it.
If AMD put the focus on that a bit, they could crush Nvidia.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30147786</id>
	<title>Re:AMD's Idea of "Launch"</title>
	<author>Kjella</author>
	<datestamp>1257108840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I picked up my HD 5850 on monday, so anecdotally I would say they're around.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I picked up my HD 5850 on monday , so anecdotally I would say they 're around .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I picked up my HD 5850 on monday, so anecdotally I would say they're around.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30142550</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30142520</id>
	<title>look,nike ugg jordan shoes,coach,gucci handbag</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257085980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
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You can find the best products from us, meeting your different needs.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30142800</id>
	<title>Legacy in 2 Years Time?</title>
	<author>mrpacmanjel</author>
	<datestamp>1257087900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Judging by this year's AMD/ATI driver support, support for this card will probably be considered "legacy" and cease to be maintaned in a couple of years.</p><p>That means no more xorg/kernel updates for you!</p><p>If the drivers were *truly* open sourced this would never be an issue.</p><p>Of course you can buy a "supported" card every 2 years and upgrade.<br>If you have a laptop with a "legacy" card, well your pretty much f*****!</p><p>Thanks but no thanks</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Judging by this year 's AMD/ATI driver support , support for this card will probably be considered " legacy " and cease to be maintaned in a couple of years.That means no more xorg/kernel updates for you ! If the drivers were * truly * open sourced this would never be an issue.Of course you can buy a " supported " card every 2 years and upgrade.If you have a laptop with a " legacy " card , well your pretty much f * * * * * ! Thanks but no thanks</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Judging by this year's AMD/ATI driver support, support for this card will probably be considered "legacy" and cease to be maintaned in a couple of years.That means no more xorg/kernel updates for you!If the drivers were *truly* open sourced this would never be an issue.Of course you can buy a "supported" card every 2 years and upgrade.If you have a laptop with a "legacy" card, well your pretty much f*****!Thanks but no thanks</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30142384</id>
	<title>I'm not sure why PCpro is whining...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257085080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Obviously, a card like this is pretty dubiously practical for virtually any application, and exists entirely to soak up the least cost sensitive gaming enthusiasts and the latest round of benchmark bragging rights(and, possibly, as the beta test for a much more expensive workstation equivalent, once the drivers are in order).<br> <br>

For benchmark bragging rights, it doesn't even have to fit into a case. It'll just be tested benchtop, get the numbers it needs, and be a success. For price-insensitive gaming enthusiasts, it barely matters if it fits in an existing case. The sort of people who buy the top-of-the-line card(rather than the 90\% of the performance, 50\% of the price model) can (and will) just buy a new case.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Obviously , a card like this is pretty dubiously practical for virtually any application , and exists entirely to soak up the least cost sensitive gaming enthusiasts and the latest round of benchmark bragging rights ( and , possibly , as the beta test for a much more expensive workstation equivalent , once the drivers are in order ) .
For benchmark bragging rights , it does n't even have to fit into a case .
It 'll just be tested benchtop , get the numbers it needs , and be a success .
For price-insensitive gaming enthusiasts , it barely matters if it fits in an existing case .
The sort of people who buy the top-of-the-line card ( rather than the 90 \ % of the performance , 50 \ % of the price model ) can ( and will ) just buy a new case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obviously, a card like this is pretty dubiously practical for virtually any application, and exists entirely to soak up the least cost sensitive gaming enthusiasts and the latest round of benchmark bragging rights(and, possibly, as the beta test for a much more expensive workstation equivalent, once the drivers are in order).
For benchmark bragging rights, it doesn't even have to fit into a case.
It'll just be tested benchtop, get the numbers it needs, and be a success.
For price-insensitive gaming enthusiasts, it barely matters if it fits in an existing case.
The sort of people who buy the top-of-the-line card(rather than the 90\% of the performance, 50\% of the price model) can (and will) just buy a new case.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30146862</id>
	<title>Re:AMD's Idea of "Launch"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257104280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They're actually in production and limited supplies are available. The problem is that TSMC (who fabricates the GPUs) shut down a lot of its capacity due to the economic clusterfuck and is now trying to ramp back up again. Until they get back up, production is being rationed. This is hitting everyone, not just AMD.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're actually in production and limited supplies are available .
The problem is that TSMC ( who fabricates the GPUs ) shut down a lot of its capacity due to the economic clusterfuck and is now trying to ramp back up again .
Until they get back up , production is being rationed .
This is hitting everyone , not just AMD .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're actually in production and limited supplies are available.
The problem is that TSMC (who fabricates the GPUs) shut down a lot of its capacity due to the economic clusterfuck and is now trying to ramp back up again.
Until they get back up, production is being rationed.
This is hitting everyone, not just AMD.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30142550</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30147214</id>
	<title>daily dingbat</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257106020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't even have to dig into the comments, and I've already landed my daily dingbat.</p><blockquote><div><p>And pcpro.co.uk wonders whether, at 13" (33 cm) in length, the new card will even fit in most PC cases.</p></div></blockquote><p>What does "most" have to do with it?  A 500HP V12 won't fit in most passenger cars, either.  But wait!  You can upgrade your chassis for $60.  Perhaps your power train is the bigger concern?</p><p>Was the heading on this review "Plebeian concerns on planet drool-worthy?"  That must keep the transporter owls flying 24/7.</p><p>Or was the implied lament "13 inches and nowhere to put it?"  For all I care, our beamish hero can rent himself a bandersnatch.</p><p>Part of the meme in these enthusiast reviews is to say the stupidest thing you can think up, to imply that the circulatory system is otherwise engaged.  I'm sure Spock's subspace mailbox was crammed to the dilithosphere with "why wait se7en years when you can pon f4rr tomorrow?"</p><p>If his human side gained control, he would have become the worst drug addict in space.  And stupid, too.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't even have to dig into the comments , and I 've already landed my daily dingbat.And pcpro.co.uk wonders whether , at 13 " ( 33 cm ) in length , the new card will even fit in most PC cases.What does " most " have to do with it ?
A 500HP V12 wo n't fit in most passenger cars , either .
But wait !
You can upgrade your chassis for $ 60 .
Perhaps your power train is the bigger concern ? Was the heading on this review " Plebeian concerns on planet drool-worthy ?
" That must keep the transporter owls flying 24/7.Or was the implied lament " 13 inches and nowhere to put it ?
" For all I care , our beamish hero can rent himself a bandersnatch.Part of the meme in these enthusiast reviews is to say the stupidest thing you can think up , to imply that the circulatory system is otherwise engaged .
I 'm sure Spock 's subspace mailbox was crammed to the dilithosphere with " why wait se7en years when you can pon f4rr tomorrow ?
" If his human side gained control , he would have become the worst drug addict in space .
And stupid , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't even have to dig into the comments, and I've already landed my daily dingbat.And pcpro.co.uk wonders whether, at 13" (33 cm) in length, the new card will even fit in most PC cases.What does "most" have to do with it?
A 500HP V12 won't fit in most passenger cars, either.
But wait!
You can upgrade your chassis for $60.
Perhaps your power train is the bigger concern?Was the heading on this review "Plebeian concerns on planet drool-worthy?
"  That must keep the transporter owls flying 24/7.Or was the implied lament "13 inches and nowhere to put it?
"  For all I care, our beamish hero can rent himself a bandersnatch.Part of the meme in these enthusiast reviews is to say the stupidest thing you can think up, to imply that the circulatory system is otherwise engaged.
I'm sure Spock's subspace mailbox was crammed to the dilithosphere with "why wait se7en years when you can pon f4rr tomorrow?
"If his human side gained control, he would have become the worst drug addict in space.
And stupid, too.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30152544</id>
	<title>So what, we save it on games</title>
	<author>SmallFurryCreature</author>
	<datestamp>1257091860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In holland CE Edition of Dragon Age PC cost me less from Bart Smith Online then the console version.
</p><p>Oh and I got better graphics.
</p><p>And modding tools.
</p><p>And mods.
</p><p>But sure, you go play with your console, you posting this from anyone of them? Oh, so you need a PC AND a console? I only need a PC.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In holland CE Edition of Dragon Age PC cost me less from Bart Smith Online then the console version .
Oh and I got better graphics .
And modding tools .
And mods .
But sure , you go play with your console , you posting this from anyone of them ?
Oh , so you need a PC AND a console ?
I only need a PC .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In holland CE Edition of Dragon Age PC cost me less from Bart Smith Online then the console version.
Oh and I got better graphics.
And modding tools.
And mods.
But sure, you go play with your console, you posting this from anyone of them?
Oh, so you need a PC AND a console?
I only need a PC.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30144612</id>
	<title>Re:Fix your damn drivers!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257094980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I installed Windows 7 yesterday, and it seems like the Win 7 ATI drivers are not nearly as flaky as the WinXP ones. I don't know about Crossfire as I only have one card, but it seems like AMD turned a new leaf with driver development for Vista/Win7</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I installed Windows 7 yesterday , and it seems like the Win 7 ATI drivers are not nearly as flaky as the WinXP ones .
I do n't know about Crossfire as I only have one card , but it seems like AMD turned a new leaf with driver development for Vista/Win7</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I installed Windows 7 yesterday, and it seems like the Win 7 ATI drivers are not nearly as flaky as the WinXP ones.
I don't know about Crossfire as I only have one card, but it seems like AMD turned a new leaf with driver development for Vista/Win7</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30143394</id>
	<title>Re:games?</title>
	<author>jo42</author>
	<datestamp>1257090480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, but will it help browse<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. any faster?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , but will it help browse / .
any faster ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, but will it help browse /.
any faster?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30142582</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30147004</id>
	<title>Work on this Cooling things for Graphics cards</title>
	<author>unity100</author>
	<datestamp>1257104880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the most annoying thing about new graphics cards generally happens to be the fan sound to cool them off.</p><p>it doesnt matter how many pixels/sec it gives to me, or how good it renders, if it creates a huge noise while im playing my game.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the most annoying thing about new graphics cards generally happens to be the fan sound to cool them off.it doesnt matter how many pixels/sec it gives to me , or how good it renders , if it creates a huge noise while im playing my game .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the most annoying thing about new graphics cards generally happens to be the fan sound to cool them off.it doesnt matter how many pixels/sec it gives to me, or how good it renders, if it creates a huge noise while im playing my game.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30143802</id>
	<title>Re:Fix your damn drivers!</title>
	<author>dunkelfalke</author>
	<datestamp>1257091980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No such problems here with a dual HD4670 setup.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No such problems here with a dual HD4670 setup .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No such problems here with a dual HD4670 setup.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30142550</id>
	<title>AMD's Idea of "Launch"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257086220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is a comment on AMD's business, marketing, and PR, rather than their technical team. AMD has unquestionably won the latest round against NVidia, who will have to wait until next year (and miss the holidays) before they have a shot at retaking the top performer and price-performance crowns back.</p><p>But let's be real. The 5850 and 5870 have already "launched" too. But unfortunately AMD's idea of a "launch" is "you can buy it 4-16 weeks from now."</p><p>I see a lot of companies "making their deadlines" this way. i.e. by not actually making them. Surprised at how often the press gives them a pass on it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a comment on AMD 's business , marketing , and PR , rather than their technical team .
AMD has unquestionably won the latest round against NVidia , who will have to wait until next year ( and miss the holidays ) before they have a shot at retaking the top performer and price-performance crowns back.But let 's be real .
The 5850 and 5870 have already " launched " too .
But unfortunately AMD 's idea of a " launch " is " you can buy it 4-16 weeks from now .
" I see a lot of companies " making their deadlines " this way .
i.e. by not actually making them .
Surprised at how often the press gives them a pass on it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a comment on AMD's business, marketing, and PR, rather than their technical team.
AMD has unquestionably won the latest round against NVidia, who will have to wait until next year (and miss the holidays) before they have a shot at retaking the top performer and price-performance crowns back.But let's be real.
The 5850 and 5870 have already "launched" too.
But unfortunately AMD's idea of a "launch" is "you can buy it 4-16 weeks from now.
"I see a lot of companies "making their deadlines" this way.
i.e. by not actually making them.
Surprised at how often the press gives them a pass on it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30142432</id>
	<title>Nvidia</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257085320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In other news Nvidia just released a sub 100$ card.<br>http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/11/17/2035200/NVIDIA-Ships-Decent-DX10-Graphics-Card-For-Under-100<br><br>The technology idols can fall over-night. Let's hope they can come back, it's bad for consumers to have only 1 option.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In other news Nvidia just released a sub 100 $ card.http : //tech.slashdot.org/story/09/11/17/2035200/NVIDIA-Ships-Decent-DX10-Graphics-Card-For-Under-100The technology idols can fall over-night .
Let 's hope they can come back , it 's bad for consumers to have only 1 option .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In other news Nvidia just released a sub 100$ card.http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/11/17/2035200/NVIDIA-Ships-Decent-DX10-Graphics-Card-For-Under-100The technology idols can fall over-night.
Let's hope they can come back, it's bad for consumers to have only 1 option.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30146338</id>
	<title>Re:The problem is....</title>
	<author>PitaBred</author>
	<datestamp>1257102060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you run operating systems other than Windows, ATI should be the only choice you make. They're actually committing to open-source drivers, and delivering. It'll probably be in the next round of Linux distros that open-source Radeon drivers will be fully working. Right now the Fedora Core 12 release has open-source Radeon 2xxx and later support. Reports are that it's working quite well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you run operating systems other than Windows , ATI should be the only choice you make .
They 're actually committing to open-source drivers , and delivering .
It 'll probably be in the next round of Linux distros that open-source Radeon drivers will be fully working .
Right now the Fedora Core 12 release has open-source Radeon 2xxx and later support .
Reports are that it 's working quite well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you run operating systems other than Windows, ATI should be the only choice you make.
They're actually committing to open-source drivers, and delivering.
It'll probably be in the next round of Linux distros that open-source Radeon drivers will be fully working.
Right now the Fedora Core 12 release has open-source Radeon 2xxx and later support.
Reports are that it's working quite well.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30142396</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30142362</id>
	<title>Don't forget Anandtech</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257084900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3679" title="anandtech.com">http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3679</a> [anandtech.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx ? i = 3679 [ anandtech.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3679 [anandtech.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30142784</id>
	<title>Re:games?</title>
	<author>WaroDaBeast</author>
	<datestamp>1257087780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>CUDA only works on <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUDA#Supported\_GPUs" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">nVidia</a> [wikipedia.org] graphics card.</htmltext>
<tokenext>CUDA only works on nVidia [ wikipedia.org ] graphics card .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>CUDA only works on nVidia [wikipedia.org] graphics card.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30142380</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30142406</id>
	<title>Not yet listed at NewEgg or ZipZoomFly</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257085200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If I can't buy it, does it exist yet?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I ca n't buy it , does it exist yet ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I can't buy it, does it exist yet?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30142844</id>
	<title>So run it in Crossfire mode.</title>
	<author>mosel-saar-ruwer</author>
	<datestamp>1257088140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><br><br>
<i>When I put it into Crossfire mode, the games work great. When I take them back out of crossfire, the system can reboot 4 or 5 times during Windows startup before the system finally starts.</i>
<br><br>
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>When I put it into Crossfire mode , the games work great .
When I take them back out of crossfire , the system can reboot 4 or 5 times during Windows startup before the system finally starts .
If it ai n't broke , do n't fix it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
When I put it into Crossfire mode, the games work great.
When I take them back out of crossfire, the system can reboot 4 or 5 times during Windows startup before the system finally starts.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30142562</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30143686</id>
	<title>Re:games?</title>
	<author>mog007</author>
	<datestamp>1257091560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>AMD cards don't support CUDA.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>AMD cards do n't support CUDA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AMD cards don't support CUDA.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30142380</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30144012</id>
	<title>From personal experience</title>
	<author>edwartr</author>
	<datestamp>1257092820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, I will say that I am glad that there is such heavy competition between nvidia and ATI; but I will also say that I do computer repair work for a living (over 15 years). I have had pretty much nothing but problems out of ATI cards over and over again. Driver errors, system lockups, etc. I have used all of the tools from both nvidia and ATI to make sure all drivers have removed from a system before putting in a new Radeon; but it is amazing that even going from one Radeon to another I get the same errors as going from an nvidia to an ATI card. ATI's technical support has always been very friendly but rarely can even help with the problem. Their normal solution: it must be a bad card so take it back and replace it. One time I did that just for shits and giggles - well I did it for 4 times until the local Best Buy said enough try something else. I put in a nvidia and it worked PERFECTLY the first time. I really wanted the Radeon to work. It was cheaper and from the benchmarks, had a little better performance than the geforce. But I wasted much money in time trying to get the thriced-damned radeon to work than I did paying $20 more for the geforce. This has happened again and again with ATI cards. I have tons of issues, get frustrated and get an nvidia card which works perfectly. So I swear off ATI. Then months down the road, the radeon gets awesome reviews and is cheaper so I 'give in' and try again. And the result - the same shit. So, I finally just said NO MORE, and told my clients to use only nvidia cards unless they are willing to pay for all of the time I have to fight with any ATI cards. What has happened? I have had no graphic card problems when installing new cards. Is this the same for everyone? NO. I have friends that do the same thing I do and most of them have had no where near the same problems with ATI cards. But for me, no more ATI Radeon cards.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I will say that I am glad that there is such heavy competition between nvidia and ATI ; but I will also say that I do computer repair work for a living ( over 15 years ) .
I have had pretty much nothing but problems out of ATI cards over and over again .
Driver errors , system lockups , etc .
I have used all of the tools from both nvidia and ATI to make sure all drivers have removed from a system before putting in a new Radeon ; but it is amazing that even going from one Radeon to another I get the same errors as going from an nvidia to an ATI card .
ATI 's technical support has always been very friendly but rarely can even help with the problem .
Their normal solution : it must be a bad card so take it back and replace it .
One time I did that just for shits and giggles - well I did it for 4 times until the local Best Buy said enough try something else .
I put in a nvidia and it worked PERFECTLY the first time .
I really wanted the Radeon to work .
It was cheaper and from the benchmarks , had a little better performance than the geforce .
But I wasted much money in time trying to get the thriced-damned radeon to work than I did paying $ 20 more for the geforce .
This has happened again and again with ATI cards .
I have tons of issues , get frustrated and get an nvidia card which works perfectly .
So I swear off ATI .
Then months down the road , the radeon gets awesome reviews and is cheaper so I 'give in ' and try again .
And the result - the same shit .
So , I finally just said NO MORE , and told my clients to use only nvidia cards unless they are willing to pay for all of the time I have to fight with any ATI cards .
What has happened ?
I have had no graphic card problems when installing new cards .
Is this the same for everyone ?
NO. I have friends that do the same thing I do and most of them have had no where near the same problems with ATI cards .
But for me , no more ATI Radeon cards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I will say that I am glad that there is such heavy competition between nvidia and ATI; but I will also say that I do computer repair work for a living (over 15 years).
I have had pretty much nothing but problems out of ATI cards over and over again.
Driver errors, system lockups, etc.
I have used all of the tools from both nvidia and ATI to make sure all drivers have removed from a system before putting in a new Radeon; but it is amazing that even going from one Radeon to another I get the same errors as going from an nvidia to an ATI card.
ATI's technical support has always been very friendly but rarely can even help with the problem.
Their normal solution: it must be a bad card so take it back and replace it.
One time I did that just for shits and giggles - well I did it for 4 times until the local Best Buy said enough try something else.
I put in a nvidia and it worked PERFECTLY the first time.
I really wanted the Radeon to work.
It was cheaper and from the benchmarks, had a little better performance than the geforce.
But I wasted much money in time trying to get the thriced-damned radeon to work than I did paying $20 more for the geforce.
This has happened again and again with ATI cards.
I have tons of issues, get frustrated and get an nvidia card which works perfectly.
So I swear off ATI.
Then months down the road, the radeon gets awesome reviews and is cheaper so I 'give in' and try again.
And the result - the same shit.
So, I finally just said NO MORE, and told my clients to use only nvidia cards unless they are willing to pay for all of the time I have to fight with any ATI cards.
What has happened?
I have had no graphic card problems when installing new cards.
Is this the same for everyone?
NO. I have friends that do the same thing I do and most of them have had no where near the same problems with ATI cards.
But for me, no more ATI Radeon cards.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30142562</id>
	<title>Fix your damn drivers!</title>
	<author>Bigbutt</author>
	<datestamp>1257086280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Honestly, the card can be the hottest thing in existence but if the system reboots due to a driver (per the system log) and there are numerous complaints, maybe you should spend more time getting the drivers right.</p><p>I have a pair of ATI 4870's. When I put it into Crossfire mode, the games work great. When I take them back out of crossfire, the system can reboot 4 or 5 times during Windows startup before the system finally starts. Occasionally the system will reboot during regular Windows startup. Log errors indicate a problem with an ati driver. (I have three monitors. Going into crossfire loses access to the other card with two monitors so I have to come out of crossfire to recover.)</p><p>Comments in the forums is to upgrade the drivers. But jeeze, I have to use a registry cleaner and driver cleaner to get every little bit of older ati driver from the system or I have no end of driver problems when I upgrade. Once it's cleaned and an upgrade installed, it brings it back to the occasional reboot and reboot when coming back from Crossfire.</p><p>If you can't get your drivers right, people won't buy your cards more than once and the folks that do and experience problems will turn folks away from your business. I know I recount this story on the forums I frequent.</p><p>[John]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Honestly , the card can be the hottest thing in existence but if the system reboots due to a driver ( per the system log ) and there are numerous complaints , maybe you should spend more time getting the drivers right.I have a pair of ATI 4870 's .
When I put it into Crossfire mode , the games work great .
When I take them back out of crossfire , the system can reboot 4 or 5 times during Windows startup before the system finally starts .
Occasionally the system will reboot during regular Windows startup .
Log errors indicate a problem with an ati driver .
( I have three monitors .
Going into crossfire loses access to the other card with two monitors so I have to come out of crossfire to recover .
) Comments in the forums is to upgrade the drivers .
But jeeze , I have to use a registry cleaner and driver cleaner to get every little bit of older ati driver from the system or I have no end of driver problems when I upgrade .
Once it 's cleaned and an upgrade installed , it brings it back to the occasional reboot and reboot when coming back from Crossfire.If you ca n't get your drivers right , people wo n't buy your cards more than once and the folks that do and experience problems will turn folks away from your business .
I know I recount this story on the forums I frequent .
[ John ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Honestly, the card can be the hottest thing in existence but if the system reboots due to a driver (per the system log) and there are numerous complaints, maybe you should spend more time getting the drivers right.I have a pair of ATI 4870's.
When I put it into Crossfire mode, the games work great.
When I take them back out of crossfire, the system can reboot 4 or 5 times during Windows startup before the system finally starts.
Occasionally the system will reboot during regular Windows startup.
Log errors indicate a problem with an ati driver.
(I have three monitors.
Going into crossfire loses access to the other card with two monitors so I have to come out of crossfire to recover.
)Comments in the forums is to upgrade the drivers.
But jeeze, I have to use a registry cleaner and driver cleaner to get every little bit of older ati driver from the system or I have no end of driver problems when I upgrade.
Once it's cleaned and an upgrade installed, it brings it back to the occasional reboot and reboot when coming back from Crossfire.If you can't get your drivers right, people won't buy your cards more than once and the folks that do and experience problems will turn folks away from your business.
I know I recount this story on the forums I frequent.
[John]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30145156</id>
	<title>Re:Vaporware</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257097260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah but didn't you read the benchmarks?  Holy shit!  Oh wait you didn't RTA?  Well neither did I this is Slashdot after all.  But I'm sure if we did RTA it would blow our minds.  Or not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah but did n't you read the benchmarks ?
Holy shit !
Oh wait you did n't RTA ?
Well neither did I this is Slashdot after all .
But I 'm sure if we did RTA it would blow our minds .
Or not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah but didn't you read the benchmarks?
Holy shit!
Oh wait you didn't RTA?
Well neither did I this is Slashdot after all.
But I'm sure if we did RTA it would blow our minds.
Or not.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30143368</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30146540</id>
	<title>Re:Vaporware</title>
	<author>PitaBred</author>
	<datestamp>1257102900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Unavailable? You can buy a Radeon 5870 <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131322" title="newegg.com">right now</a> [newegg.com] at Newegg. Stock probably won't last since it's popular as hell, but you CAN buy one, and you won't be on a waiting list.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unavailable ?
You can buy a Radeon 5870 right now [ newegg.com ] at Newegg .
Stock probably wo n't last since it 's popular as hell , but you CAN buy one , and you wo n't be on a waiting list .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unavailable?
You can buy a Radeon 5870 right now [newegg.com] at Newegg.
Stock probably won't last since it's popular as hell, but you CAN buy one, and you won't be on a waiting list.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30143368</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30145328</id>
	<title>PC Gaming!</title>
	<author>Reason58</author>
	<datestamp>1257097980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And it costs as much as a Wii, Xbox 360 and PS3 combined! What a bargain. No wonder PC gaming is losing so much headway to consoles.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And it costs as much as a Wii , Xbox 360 and PS3 combined !
What a bargain .
No wonder PC gaming is losing so much headway to consoles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And it costs as much as a Wii, Xbox 360 and PS3 combined!
What a bargain.
No wonder PC gaming is losing so much headway to consoles.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30143150</id>
	<title>Re:a free mini-DisplayPort to DisplayPort adapter</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257089760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not from Mac but.....</p><p>http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c\_id=102&amp;cp\_id=10246&amp;cs\_id=1024606</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not from Mac but.....http : //www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp ? c \ _id = 102&amp;cp \ _id = 10246&amp;cs \ _id = 1024606</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not from Mac but.....http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c\_id=102&amp;cp\_id=10246&amp;cs\_id=1024606</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30142612</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30145132</id>
	<title>Re:Legacy in 2 Years Time?</title>
	<author>StayFrosty</author>
	<datestamp>1257097140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They don't stop maintaining drivers for a card unless it is well supported in the *truly* open source drivers.  What card do you have that is only 2 years old and is not supported?</htmltext>
<tokenext>They do n't stop maintaining drivers for a card unless it is well supported in the * truly * open source drivers .
What card do you have that is only 2 years old and is not supported ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They don't stop maintaining drivers for a card unless it is well supported in the *truly* open source drivers.
What card do you have that is only 2 years old and is not supported?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30142800</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30142718</id>
	<title>Re:Fix your damn drivers!</title>
	<author>ByOhTek</author>
	<datestamp>1257087420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've had similar experiences in Windows and agree wholeheartedly.</p><p>That, in combination with the fact that there is no viable 3D with ATi on FreeBSD, leads me to use pretty much anyone other than ATi for my graphics chips, when possible.</p><p>Oh, and while you can hack their drivers to install on notebooks pretty easily, ATi still puts the stupid checks in the software to prevent the drivers from installing on notebooks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've had similar experiences in Windows and agree wholeheartedly.That , in combination with the fact that there is no viable 3D with ATi on FreeBSD , leads me to use pretty much anyone other than ATi for my graphics chips , when possible.Oh , and while you can hack their drivers to install on notebooks pretty easily , ATi still puts the stupid checks in the software to prevent the drivers from installing on notebooks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've had similar experiences in Windows and agree wholeheartedly.That, in combination with the fact that there is no viable 3D with ATi on FreeBSD, leads me to use pretty much anyone other than ATi for my graphics chips, when possible.Oh, and while you can hack their drivers to install on notebooks pretty easily, ATi still puts the stupid checks in the software to prevent the drivers from installing on notebooks.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30142562</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30143546</id>
	<title>Re:AMD's Idea of "Launch"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257091020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I bought a 5870 shortly after launch with no issues.  After the reviews came out and circulated, one of the salesman at the same store said "Who did you kill to get a 5870?"
</p><p>It is immediately before Christmas, all hot new products are in short supply.  Also, I think the suppliers were blowing out inventory at the end of August, which temporarily reduced prices and also reduced inventory for the Christmas season.  I was comparing pricing at the end of August to current for the identical and similar product.  DRAM modules prices are up 78\%, for the exact same modules.  Processors are in short supply, and pricing is up.  OCZ Vertex hard drives are in short supply, and the price is up 24\%.  Motherboard pricing is up 38\%.  <b>What are you expecting?</b></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I bought a 5870 shortly after launch with no issues .
After the reviews came out and circulated , one of the salesman at the same store said " Who did you kill to get a 5870 ?
" It is immediately before Christmas , all hot new products are in short supply .
Also , I think the suppliers were blowing out inventory at the end of August , which temporarily reduced prices and also reduced inventory for the Christmas season .
I was comparing pricing at the end of August to current for the identical and similar product .
DRAM modules prices are up 78 \ % , for the exact same modules .
Processors are in short supply , and pricing is up .
OCZ Vertex hard drives are in short supply , and the price is up 24 \ % .
Motherboard pricing is up 38 \ % .
What are you expecting ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bought a 5870 shortly after launch with no issues.
After the reviews came out and circulated, one of the salesman at the same store said "Who did you kill to get a 5870?
"
It is immediately before Christmas, all hot new products are in short supply.
Also, I think the suppliers were blowing out inventory at the end of August, which temporarily reduced prices and also reduced inventory for the Christmas season.
I was comparing pricing at the end of August to current for the identical and similar product.
DRAM modules prices are up 78\%, for the exact same modules.
Processors are in short supply, and pricing is up.
OCZ Vertex hard drives are in short supply, and the price is up 24\%.
Motherboard pricing is up 38\%.
What are you expecting?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30142550</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30142526</id>
	<title>Not linux</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257086040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Too bad ati's linux drivers are an absolute crap<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p><p>I'll be very pleased to be proved wrong.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Too bad ati 's linux drivers are an absolute crap : ( I 'll be very pleased to be proved wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Too bad ati's linux drivers are an absolute crap :(I'll be very pleased to be proved wrong.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30144778</id>
	<title>Re:Fix your damn drivers!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257095760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly why I continue to use nVidia.  Especially for the Linux support.  nVidia isn't perfect but still better.  People talk up ATI all the time but every single time I have ever tried an ATI card it has given me tons of problems (has OpenGL <em>ever</em> worked right on an ATI card?!).  My nVidia cards on the other hand have been nearly trouble free.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly why I continue to use nVidia .
Especially for the Linux support .
nVidia is n't perfect but still better .
People talk up ATI all the time but every single time I have ever tried an ATI card it has given me tons of problems ( has OpenGL ever worked right on an ATI card ? ! ) .
My nVidia cards on the other hand have been nearly trouble free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly why I continue to use nVidia.
Especially for the Linux support.
nVidia isn't perfect but still better.
People talk up ATI all the time but every single time I have ever tried an ATI card it has given me tons of problems (has OpenGL ever worked right on an ATI card?!).
My nVidia cards on the other hand have been nearly trouble free.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30142562</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30145336</id>
	<title>Already done...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257098040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ummm, they <a href="https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/Catalyst\_911\_release\_notes.pdf" title="akamai.net" rel="nofollow">fixed that in the last driver iteration</a> [akamai.net].  Try it out and get back to us...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ummm , they fixed that in the last driver iteration [ akamai.net ] .
Try it out and get back to us.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ummm, they fixed that in the last driver iteration [akamai.net].
Try it out and get back to us...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30142562</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30143368</id>
	<title>Vaporware</title>
	<author>mseeger</author>
	<datestamp>1257090420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>For me the news reads: ATI anounces a new, faster graphics card which is as unavailable as the previous one.</htmltext>
<tokenext>For me the news reads : ATI anounces a new , faster graphics card which is as unavailable as the previous one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For me the news reads: ATI anounces a new, faster graphics card which is as unavailable as the previous one.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30145052</id>
	<title>Re:Fix your damn drivers!</title>
	<author>zipherx</author>
	<datestamp>1257096780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is exactly the reason why, we at my Internet cafe, have used nvidia for the last 9 years. I really want to see nice competition to nvidia, just to get new products faster, but.......  really they need to make unified driver model like nvidia, and actually strive to make it work on ALL platforms, before they will get more market share.<br> <br> Right now, it is only the people who just see benchmarks and buy. The rest of us can then enjoy a 100\% stable system with nvidia, thanks. Having a 8800GT on third year now, is still a thrill.. and i run all the newest games in 1920x1280. (mostly playing rpg and strategy games though, no fps's)</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is exactly the reason why , we at my Internet cafe , have used nvidia for the last 9 years .
I really want to see nice competition to nvidia , just to get new products faster , but....... really they need to make unified driver model like nvidia , and actually strive to make it work on ALL platforms , before they will get more market share .
Right now , it is only the people who just see benchmarks and buy .
The rest of us can then enjoy a 100 \ % stable system with nvidia , thanks .
Having a 8800GT on third year now , is still a thrill.. and i run all the newest games in 1920x1280 .
( mostly playing rpg and strategy games though , no fps 's )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is exactly the reason why, we at my Internet cafe, have used nvidia for the last 9 years.
I really want to see nice competition to nvidia, just to get new products faster, but.......  really they need to make unified driver model like nvidia, and actually strive to make it work on ALL platforms, before they will get more market share.
Right now, it is only the people who just see benchmarks and buy.
The rest of us can then enjoy a 100\% stable system with nvidia, thanks.
Having a 8800GT on third year now, is still a thrill.. and i run all the newest games in 1920x1280.
(mostly playing rpg and strategy games though, no fps's)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30142562</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30147836</id>
	<title>Re:games?</title>
	<author>toastar</author>
	<datestamp>1257109140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>the HPC market is really moving towards nvidia. the problem is cuda is designed for nvidia cards only. OpenCL can be used on either. While i hear there is a converter, I wonder how good it is about converting optimizations.

One of the big things about GPGPU's is the wacky array of memory locations you have to deal with, Some of them main memory can't see, some of them only have read access to the gpu, and some is just faster.</htmltext>
<tokenext>the HPC market is really moving towards nvidia .
the problem is cuda is designed for nvidia cards only .
OpenCL can be used on either .
While i hear there is a converter , I wonder how good it is about converting optimizations .
One of the big things about GPGPU 's is the wacky array of memory locations you have to deal with , Some of them main memory ca n't see , some of them only have read access to the gpu , and some is just faster .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the HPC market is really moving towards nvidia.
the problem is cuda is designed for nvidia cards only.
OpenCL can be used on either.
While i hear there is a converter, I wonder how good it is about converting optimizations.
One of the big things about GPGPU's is the wacky array of memory locations you have to deal with, Some of them main memory can't see, some of them only have read access to the gpu, and some is just faster.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30142380</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30142744</id>
	<title>OpenCL</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257087600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Time to start working in OpenCL and putting a pair of these in crossfire mode!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Time to start working in OpenCL and putting a pair of these in crossfire mode !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Time to start working in OpenCL and putting a pair of these in crossfire mode!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30142380</id>
	<title>games?</title>
	<author>f3r</author>
	<datestamp>1257085020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does any game need that monster, or is it for parallel computing using CUDA??<p>
In any case I can imagine the computer roaring under my table...and myself in a corner crying like a baby out of fear.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does any game need that monster , or is it for parallel computing using CUDA ? ?
In any case I can imagine the computer roaring under my table...and myself in a corner crying like a baby out of fear .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does any game need that monster, or is it for parallel computing using CUDA??
In any case I can imagine the computer roaring under my table...and myself in a corner crying like a baby out of fear.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30142856</id>
	<title>im a nvidia fanboy but...</title>
	<author>cryoman23</author>
	<datestamp>1257088200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>this is really cool and if they get linux support i might consider switching sides...unless nvidia gets a tri GUI card<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)(hopes for that or better in the 300 series...)</htmltext>
<tokenext>this is really cool and if they get linux support i might consider switching sides...unless nvidia gets a tri GUI card : ) ( hopes for that or better in the 300 series... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this is really cool and if they get linux support i might consider switching sides...unless nvidia gets a tri GUI card :)(hopes for that or better in the 300 series...)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30144882</id>
	<title>Re:Don't forget Anandtech</title>
	<author>kimvette</author>
	<datestamp>1257096120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>With such a long card, there are going to be some definite fitting issues on smaller cases.</p></div></blockquote><p>With such a long card, there are going to be some definite fitting issues even on many larger cases. Is it time for me to bring my SC-750A cases back into use?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>With such a long card , there are going to be some definite fitting issues on smaller cases.With such a long card , there are going to be some definite fitting issues even on many larger cases .
Is it time for me to bring my SC-750A cases back into use ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With such a long card, there are going to be some definite fitting issues on smaller cases.With such a long card, there are going to be some definite fitting issues even on many larger cases.
Is it time for me to bring my SC-750A cases back into use?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30142362</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30149444</id>
	<title>Re:Fix your damn drivers!</title>
	<author>blahplusplus</author>
	<datestamp>1257073860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"If you can't get your drivers right, people won't buy your cards more than once and the folks that do and experience problems will turn folks away from your business. I know I recount this story on the forums I frequent."</p><p>Except often times it's not drivers but power/power issues, especially if you've overstuffed your wall sockets and powerbars.  I had a machine that would keep freezing with one of my fans turned on plugged into one of the power bars, I unplugged the fan from the bar and all was fine.</p><p>A lot of problems come from using "dirty" or highly erratic/badly wired/overloaded power sources.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" If you ca n't get your drivers right , people wo n't buy your cards more than once and the folks that do and experience problems will turn folks away from your business .
I know I recount this story on the forums I frequent .
" Except often times it 's not drivers but power/power issues , especially if you 've overstuffed your wall sockets and powerbars .
I had a machine that would keep freezing with one of my fans turned on plugged into one of the power bars , I unplugged the fan from the bar and all was fine.A lot of problems come from using " dirty " or highly erratic/badly wired/overloaded power sources .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"If you can't get your drivers right, people won't buy your cards more than once and the folks that do and experience problems will turn folks away from your business.
I know I recount this story on the forums I frequent.
"Except often times it's not drivers but power/power issues, especially if you've overstuffed your wall sockets and powerbars.
I had a machine that would keep freezing with one of my fans turned on plugged into one of the power bars, I unplugged the fan from the bar and all was fine.A lot of problems come from using "dirty" or highly erratic/badly wired/overloaded power sources.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30142562</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30146890</id>
	<title>I use a fucking 3870 still.</title>
	<author>unity100</author>
	<datestamp>1257104340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and im hacking crysis to max graphics settings, overclocking the card, and still getting 15 fps from it in 1920x1200, in playable fashion. i even played age of conan with this thing in full setting, despite the fact that it is a game that doesnt even work well with the 8800 cards it was designed for.</p><p>excuse me, but if you people are still having problems with ati cards, its your fucking fault.</p><p>you need to buy quality pieces for all the parts in your computer. mobo, cpu, ram, even the dvd reader has to be reliable brands, so that they wont cause any untrackable incompatibilities with some chip in some other part and cause absurd results in any application.</p><p>if you take care while buying parts, instead of going postal with some 'brand' offering you a 'great deal' and then trying to insert a top notch graphics card on top of shitty components, you will never have problems with good cards.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and im hacking crysis to max graphics settings , overclocking the card , and still getting 15 fps from it in 1920x1200 , in playable fashion .
i even played age of conan with this thing in full setting , despite the fact that it is a game that doesnt even work well with the 8800 cards it was designed for.excuse me , but if you people are still having problems with ati cards , its your fucking fault.you need to buy quality pieces for all the parts in your computer .
mobo , cpu , ram , even the dvd reader has to be reliable brands , so that they wont cause any untrackable incompatibilities with some chip in some other part and cause absurd results in any application.if you take care while buying parts , instead of going postal with some 'brand ' offering you a 'great deal ' and then trying to insert a top notch graphics card on top of shitty components , you will never have problems with good cards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and im hacking crysis to max graphics settings, overclocking the card, and still getting 15 fps from it in 1920x1200, in playable fashion.
i even played age of conan with this thing in full setting, despite the fact that it is a game that doesnt even work well with the 8800 cards it was designed for.excuse me, but if you people are still having problems with ati cards, its your fucking fault.you need to buy quality pieces for all the parts in your computer.
mobo, cpu, ram, even the dvd reader has to be reliable brands, so that they wont cause any untrackable incompatibilities with some chip in some other part and cause absurd results in any application.if you take care while buying parts, instead of going postal with some 'brand' offering you a 'great deal' and then trying to insert a top notch graphics card on top of shitty components, you will never have problems with good cards.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30142582</id>
	<title>Re:games?</title>
	<author>sgt scrub</author>
	<datestamp>1257086460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For those of us that skip a performance generation, the answer is hell yes.  Not only does it allow us to play the games you've been enjoying in "pretty view" but will give us other support we've been missing.</p><p><div class="quote"><p># 3D stereoscopic display/glasses support<br># Integrated HD audio controller<br># Output protected high bit rate 7.1 channel surround sound over HDMI with no additional cables required<br># Supports AC-3, AAC, Dolby TrueHD and DTS Master Audio formats</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>For those of us that skip a performance generation , the answer is hell yes .
Not only does it allow us to play the games you 've been enjoying in " pretty view " but will give us other support we 've been missing. # 3D stereoscopic display/glasses support # Integrated HD audio controller # Output protected high bit rate 7.1 channel surround sound over HDMI with no additional cables required # Supports AC-3 , AAC , Dolby TrueHD and DTS Master Audio formats</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For those of us that skip a performance generation, the answer is hell yes.
Not only does it allow us to play the games you've been enjoying in "pretty view" but will give us other support we've been missing.# 3D stereoscopic display/glasses support# Integrated HD audio controller# Output protected high bit rate 7.1 channel surround sound over HDMI with no additional cables required# Supports AC-3, AAC, Dolby TrueHD and DTS Master Audio formats
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30142380</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30142378</id>
	<title>asf</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257085020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>first porst!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>first porst !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>first porst!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30145102</id>
	<title>Re:Vaporware</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257096960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's not vaporware if it's in production, dumbass.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not vaporware if it 's in production , dumbass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not vaporware if it's in production, dumbass.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30143368</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30142612</id>
	<title>a free mini-DisplayPort to DisplayPort adapter tha</title>
	<author>Joe The Dragon</author>
	<datestamp>1257086760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>a free mini-DisplayPort to DisplayPort adapter that this card has should also come with all apple systems but wait they don't even offer a cable like that at all.</p><p>also why did they not test 2 of this card in crossfire?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>a free mini-DisplayPort to DisplayPort adapter that this card has should also come with all apple systems but wait they do n't even offer a cable like that at all.also why did they not test 2 of this card in crossfire ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a free mini-DisplayPort to DisplayPort adapter that this card has should also come with all apple systems but wait they don't even offer a cable like that at all.also why did they not test 2 of this card in crossfire?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30154250</id>
	<title>GPGPU benchmarks?</title>
	<author>julesh</author>
	<datestamp>1258627980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why does nobody ever seem to benchmark stuff like this with GPGPU apps?  Would be nice to see how it performs on something that can really tax it...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why does nobody ever seem to benchmark stuff like this with GPGPU apps ?
Would be nice to see how it performs on something that can really tax it.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why does nobody ever seem to benchmark stuff like this with GPGPU apps?
Would be nice to see how it performs on something that can really tax it...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30143762</id>
	<title>Re:AMD's Idea of "Launch"</title>
	<author>jsoderba</author>
	<datestamp>1257091920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not really AMD's fault. I'm sure they are as concerned about missing the hoilday sales rush as you are. TSMC promised them lots of 40nm chips and failed to deliver. There is no one else who can do 40nm chips, so AMD is screwed until chip makers roll out 32nm production lines and AMD can finish designing a 32nm chip.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not really AMD 's fault .
I 'm sure they are as concerned about missing the hoilday sales rush as you are .
TSMC promised them lots of 40nm chips and failed to deliver .
There is no one else who can do 40nm chips , so AMD is screwed until chip makers roll out 32nm production lines and AMD can finish designing a 32nm chip .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not really AMD's fault.
I'm sure they are as concerned about missing the hoilday sales rush as you are.
TSMC promised them lots of 40nm chips and failed to deliver.
There is no one else who can do 40nm chips, so AMD is screwed until chip makers roll out 32nm production lines and AMD can finish designing a 32nm chip.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30142550</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30146440</id>
	<title>Re:Fix your damn drivers!</title>
	<author>PitaBred</author>
	<datestamp>1257102420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Stop using XP. Crossfire is perfectly solid on Vista and Windows 7. You're expecting brand-new technology to work perfectly on an 8 year old OS, one that is two versions out of date? Really?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Stop using XP .
Crossfire is perfectly solid on Vista and Windows 7 .
You 're expecting brand-new technology to work perfectly on an 8 year old OS , one that is two versions out of date ?
Really ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stop using XP.
Crossfire is perfectly solid on Vista and Windows 7.
You're expecting brand-new technology to work perfectly on an 8 year old OS, one that is two versions out of date?
Really?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30142562</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30148328</id>
	<title>Re:Fix your damn drivers!</title>
	<author>lanner</author>
	<datestamp>1257068580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can remember the days of VESA bus ATI cards.  It seems like ATI has had driver issues forever.  I don't know how things are right now, but even a year ago, just finding the right driver's on the ATI web pages is a serious task.  They could really learn something from NVidia here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can remember the days of VESA bus ATI cards .
It seems like ATI has had driver issues forever .
I do n't know how things are right now , but even a year ago , just finding the right driver 's on the ATI web pages is a serious task .
They could really learn something from NVidia here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can remember the days of VESA bus ATI cards.
It seems like ATI has had driver issues forever.
I don't know how things are right now, but even a year ago, just finding the right driver's on the ATI web pages is a serious task.
They could really learn something from NVidia here.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30142562</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30143188</id>
	<title>Re:games?</title>
	<author>drei22</author>
	<datestamp>1257089820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you are crying in the corner from hearing PC fans blow that would mean you are a little Biatch! Nuff said...</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you are crying in the corner from hearing PC fans blow that would mean you are a little Biatch !
Nuff said.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you are crying in the corner from hearing PC fans blow that would mean you are a little Biatch!
Nuff said...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30142380</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30142396</id>
	<title>The problem is....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257085140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That it's an ATI card. It has been my experience that AMD/ATI just doesn't support their cards in other operating systems such as Linux as well as NVIDIA. I like to run operating systems other than Windows.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That it 's an ATI card .
It has been my experience that AMD/ATI just does n't support their cards in other operating systems such as Linux as well as NVIDIA .
I like to run operating systems other than Windows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That it's an ATI card.
It has been my experience that AMD/ATI just doesn't support their cards in other operating systems such as Linux as well as NVIDIA.
I like to run operating systems other than Windows.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30142826</id>
	<title>Re:a free mini-DisplayPort to DisplayPort adapter</title>
	<author>nedlohs</author>
	<datestamp>1257088020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The bank wouldn't let them have a HELOC, so they could only afford one. So blame the "credit crunch".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The bank would n't let them have a HELOC , so they could only afford one .
So blame the " credit crunch " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The bank wouldn't let them have a HELOC, so they could only afford one.
So blame the "credit crunch".</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:games?</title>
	<author>Sycon</author>
	<datestamp>1257097560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Its for the enthusiast market.

And yes there are games that would benefit from that monster. Namely: Crysis.

There has yet to be a computer built that can run Crysis on a 30" monitor at max settings with a minimum FPS above 25.

There are a handful of other high end games that will also push the limits when you move into a 30" monitor environment or multiple monitor setups. In fact this graphics card in a very high end rig still has trouble pushing out more than 30 FPS *average* in Crysis on a 30" monitor. For smoothest play you want an average FPS around 50 (this is debated, some people are okay with 40+) and a minimum around 25 FPS.

Especially with the addition of Eyefinity there will no doubt be enthusiast users who would like to run their games on multiple monitors, which requires significantly more graphics power.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Its for the enthusiast market .
And yes there are games that would benefit from that monster .
Namely : Crysis .
There has yet to be a computer built that can run Crysis on a 30 " monitor at max settings with a minimum FPS above 25 .
There are a handful of other high end games that will also push the limits when you move into a 30 " monitor environment or multiple monitor setups .
In fact this graphics card in a very high end rig still has trouble pushing out more than 30 FPS * average * in Crysis on a 30 " monitor .
For smoothest play you want an average FPS around 50 ( this is debated , some people are okay with 40 + ) and a minimum around 25 FPS .
Especially with the addition of Eyefinity there will no doubt be enthusiast users who would like to run their games on multiple monitors , which requires significantly more graphics power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its for the enthusiast market.
And yes there are games that would benefit from that monster.
Namely: Crysis.
There has yet to be a computer built that can run Crysis on a 30" monitor at max settings with a minimum FPS above 25.
There are a handful of other high end games that will also push the limits when you move into a 30" monitor environment or multiple monitor setups.
In fact this graphics card in a very high end rig still has trouble pushing out more than 30 FPS *average* in Crysis on a 30" monitor.
For smoothest play you want an average FPS around 50 (this is debated, some people are okay with 40+) and a minimum around 25 FPS.
Especially with the addition of Eyefinity there will no doubt be enthusiast users who would like to run their games on multiple monitors, which requires significantly more graphics power.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_18_1153247.30149536</id>
	<title>Re:Don't forget Anandtech</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257074280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>or http://alienbabeltech.com/abt/viewtopic.php?f=6&amp;t=17815 which had it up on Oct 26th and was asked by AMD to take it down.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>or http : //alienbabeltech.com/abt/viewtopic.php ? f = 6&amp;t = 17815 which had it up on Oct 26th and was asked by AMD to take it down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>or http://alienbabeltech.com/abt/viewtopic.php?f=6&amp;t=17815 which had it up on Oct 26th and was asked by AMD to take it down.</sentencetext>
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