<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_17_1337254</id>
	<title>Pirate Bay Shuts Down Tracker, Switches To Distributed Hash Table</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1258465920000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>think\_nix writes <i>"The Pirate Bay has shut down their BitTorrent tracker. Instead TPB is <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/common-bittorrent-dht-myths-091024/">now using Distributed Hash Table</a>  to distribute the torrents. The Pirate Bay Blog states that DHT along with PEX (Peer Exchange) Technology is <a href="http://thepiratebay.org/blog/175">just as effective if not better for finding peers</a> than a centralized service. The Local  reports that shutting down the tracker and implementing DHT &amp; PEX could be due to the latest court rulings in Sweden against 2 of TPB's owners, and <a href="http://www.thelocal.se/23310/20091117/">may decide the outcome of the case</a>."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>think \ _nix writes " The Pirate Bay has shut down their BitTorrent tracker .
Instead TPB is now using Distributed Hash Table to distribute the torrents .
The Pirate Bay Blog states that DHT along with PEX ( Peer Exchange ) Technology is just as effective if not better for finding peers than a centralized service .
The Local reports that shutting down the tracker and implementing DHT &amp; PEX could be due to the latest court rulings in Sweden against 2 of TPB 's owners , and may decide the outcome of the case .
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<sentencetext>think\_nix writes "The Pirate Bay has shut down their BitTorrent tracker.
Instead TPB is now using Distributed Hash Table  to distribute the torrents.
The Pirate Bay Blog states that DHT along with PEX (Peer Exchange) Technology is just as effective if not better for finding peers than a centralized service.
The Local  reports that shutting down the tracker and implementing DHT &amp; PEX could be due to the latest court rulings in Sweden against 2 of TPB's owners, and may decide the outcome of the case.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128616</id>
	<title>Mod parent up...</title>
	<author>BiggoronSword</author>
	<datestamp>1258472100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is a legitimate issue, regardless of whether the protocol is doing what it's supposed to do or not.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a legitimate issue , regardless of whether the protocol is doing what it 's supposed to do or not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a legitimate issue, regardless of whether the protocol is doing what it's supposed to do or not.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128380</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30129738</id>
	<title>Re:Distributed Post!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258477020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>F......</p></div><p>wheres teh keygen???</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>F......wheres teh keygen ? ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>F......wheres teh keygen??
?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128216</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30129056</id>
	<title>Re:Distributed Post!</title>
	<author>Yvan256</author>
	<datestamp>1258474260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bad video quality, audio out of sync, don't bother getting this one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bad video quality , audio out of sync , do n't bother getting this one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bad video quality, audio out of sync, don't bother getting this one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128420</id>
	<title>It still doesn't solve everything</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258471080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Using DHTs instead of a tracker is real nice and all, but you're still stuck with the same problem: you have to host some information on a server, namely node information that allows you to bootstrap into the DHT, and information that allows you to get the resource you want.</p><p>Both of these are taken care of in the torrent file and hosting the torrent files for illegal content is still the same, tracker or no tracker. The bootstrapping problem is basically unavoidable, but you could have, say, a single machine or set of machines at TPB that would bootstrap you to the DHT they're on, without explicitly holding any information about illegal content.</p><p>The second problem, well, it's harder to solve that way. From my understanding, the bittorrent DHT (http://www.bittorrent.org/beps/bep\_0005.html) uses the torrent's infohash to locate the node containing the information on the peers currently serving that given torrent. Since you don't know the infohash without the torrent file itself, searching for a given torrent isn't trivial, although there have been some advances in that area (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent\_\%28protocol\%29#Decentralized\_keyword\_search).</p><p>Magnet links are nice, since they remove the need to host torrent files and work as direct links to the necessary peer information, but I'm not entirely sure having a link labeled after obviously illegal content is that much different from hosting a file containing a few hashes.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Using DHTs instead of a tracker is real nice and all , but you 're still stuck with the same problem : you have to host some information on a server , namely node information that allows you to bootstrap into the DHT , and information that allows you to get the resource you want.Both of these are taken care of in the torrent file and hosting the torrent files for illegal content is still the same , tracker or no tracker .
The bootstrapping problem is basically unavoidable , but you could have , say , a single machine or set of machines at TPB that would bootstrap you to the DHT they 're on , without explicitly holding any information about illegal content.The second problem , well , it 's harder to solve that way .
From my understanding , the bittorrent DHT ( http : //www.bittorrent.org/beps/bep \ _0005.html ) uses the torrent 's infohash to locate the node containing the information on the peers currently serving that given torrent .
Since you do n't know the infohash without the torrent file itself , searching for a given torrent is n't trivial , although there have been some advances in that area ( http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent \ _ \ % 28protocol \ % 29 # Decentralized \ _keyword \ _search ) .Magnet links are nice , since they remove the need to host torrent files and work as direct links to the necessary peer information , but I 'm not entirely sure having a link labeled after obviously illegal content is that much different from hosting a file containing a few hashes .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Using DHTs instead of a tracker is real nice and all, but you're still stuck with the same problem: you have to host some information on a server, namely node information that allows you to bootstrap into the DHT, and information that allows you to get the resource you want.Both of these are taken care of in the torrent file and hosting the torrent files for illegal content is still the same, tracker or no tracker.
The bootstrapping problem is basically unavoidable, but you could have, say, a single machine or set of machines at TPB that would bootstrap you to the DHT they're on, without explicitly holding any information about illegal content.The second problem, well, it's harder to solve that way.
From my understanding, the bittorrent DHT (http://www.bittorrent.org/beps/bep\_0005.html) uses the torrent's infohash to locate the node containing the information on the peers currently serving that given torrent.
Since you don't know the infohash without the torrent file itself, searching for a given torrent isn't trivial, although there have been some advances in that area (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent\_\%28protocol\%29#Decentralized\_keyword\_search).Magnet links are nice, since they remove the need to host torrent files and work as direct links to the necessary peer information, but I'm not entirely sure having a link labeled after obviously illegal content is that much different from hosting a file containing a few hashes.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30130158</id>
	<title>Re:"Just as effective"?</title>
	<author>Zerth</author>
	<datestamp>1258478760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You may need to greatly reduce the length of time an entry is in your router's NAT table.  Some badly-configured routers will keep an entry for a whole day.</p><p>Also, as others have said, reduce the number of connections in your client, but that won't necessarily help if your node is popular, because denied connections still count.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You may need to greatly reduce the length of time an entry is in your router 's NAT table .
Some badly-configured routers will keep an entry for a whole day.Also , as others have said , reduce the number of connections in your client , but that wo n't necessarily help if your node is popular , because denied connections still count .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You may need to greatly reduce the length of time an entry is in your router's NAT table.
Some badly-configured routers will keep an entry for a whole day.Also, as others have said, reduce the number of connections in your client, but that won't necessarily help if your node is popular, because denied connections still count.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128380</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30132082</id>
	<title>Re:Napster et al court cases...</title>
	<author>techwrench</author>
	<datestamp>1258486380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>
I am so sure that it will be that dangerous for non-infringing uses.  I can see instances where a tracker could be eliminated, and data transfer would still be unhindered.
<br>
Linux Distributions
<br>
Game Patches
<br>
Other media content, like Internet TV programs.
<br>
These are a few instances off the top of my head where distribution would benefit from unlimited access.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am so sure that it will be that dangerous for non-infringing uses .
I can see instances where a tracker could be eliminated , and data transfer would still be unhindered .
Linux Distributions Game Patches Other media content , like Internet TV programs .
These are a few instances off the top of my head where distribution would benefit from unlimited access .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
I am so sure that it will be that dangerous for non-infringing uses.
I can see instances where a tracker could be eliminated, and data transfer would still be unhindered.
Linux Distributions

Game Patches

Other media content, like Internet TV programs.
These are a few instances off the top of my head where distribution would benefit from unlimited access.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30129044</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128488</id>
	<title>Old news</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258471440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As far as I know, the tracker has not been shut down but merely moved to OpenBitTorrent. There are various posts on <a href="http://forum.suprbay.org/" title="suprbay.org" rel="nofollow">SuprBay</a> [suprbay.org] confirming that fact. The (PirateBay) trackers themselves were shut down since <a href="http://forum.suprbay.org/showthread.php?tid=53246&amp;pid=405185#pid405185" title="suprbay.org" rel="nofollow">august</a> [suprbay.org] and OpenBittorrent is now the <a href="http://forum.suprbay.org/showthread.php?tid=53288&amp;pid=405575#pid405575" title="suprbay.org" rel="nofollow">official tracker</a> [suprbay.org]. I remember reading another post where someone did some research and ran a few traces, which confirmed (at the time) that the trackers were running on the same IP address. <a href="http://forum.suprbay.org/showthread.php?tid=52812&amp;pid=402576#pid402576" title="suprbay.org" rel="nofollow">Here is another post worth reading</a> [suprbay.org].</p><p>As for OpenBitTorrent, it has been 404-ing since I tried to open that website. However a <a href="http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:H-lx9ZhiUZEJ:openbittorrent.com/&amp;cd=1&amp;hl=en" title="209.85.129.132" rel="nofollow">google cache</a> [209.85.129.132] exists as early as November 14th. On the cached page it is explained that the tracker operates solely on the info hash and thus knows absolutely nothing about the contents itself. Presumably in an attempt to elude copyright cops. Adding new torrents to that tracker is as simple as adding the tracker address to your newly created<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.torrent file. The tracker will automatically start tracking the info hash when an announce is made.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As far as I know , the tracker has not been shut down but merely moved to OpenBitTorrent .
There are various posts on SuprBay [ suprbay.org ] confirming that fact .
The ( PirateBay ) trackers themselves were shut down since august [ suprbay.org ] and OpenBittorrent is now the official tracker [ suprbay.org ] .
I remember reading another post where someone did some research and ran a few traces , which confirmed ( at the time ) that the trackers were running on the same IP address .
Here is another post worth reading [ suprbay.org ] .As for OpenBitTorrent , it has been 404-ing since I tried to open that website .
However a google cache [ 209.85.129.132 ] exists as early as November 14th .
On the cached page it is explained that the tracker operates solely on the info hash and thus knows absolutely nothing about the contents itself .
Presumably in an attempt to elude copyright cops .
Adding new torrents to that tracker is as simple as adding the tracker address to your newly created .torrent file .
The tracker will automatically start tracking the info hash when an announce is made .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As far as I know, the tracker has not been shut down but merely moved to OpenBitTorrent.
There are various posts on SuprBay [suprbay.org] confirming that fact.
The (PirateBay) trackers themselves were shut down since august [suprbay.org] and OpenBittorrent is now the official tracker [suprbay.org].
I remember reading another post where someone did some research and ran a few traces, which confirmed (at the time) that the trackers were running on the same IP address.
Here is another post worth reading [suprbay.org].As for OpenBitTorrent, it has been 404-ing since I tried to open that website.
However a google cache [209.85.129.132] exists as early as November 14th.
On the cached page it is explained that the tracker operates solely on the info hash and thus knows absolutely nothing about the contents itself.
Presumably in an attempt to elude copyright cops.
Adding new torrents to that tracker is as simple as adding the tracker address to your newly created .torrent file.
The tracker will automatically start tracking the info hash when an announce is made.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30136336</id>
	<title>Re:Those guys are playing it dangerous! Hashtable?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258457820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, getting cocaine is pretty close to a peer-to-peer transaction...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , getting cocaine is pretty close to a peer-to-peer transaction.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, getting cocaine is pretty close to a peer-to-peer transaction...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128250</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30129342</id>
	<title>OCILLA</title>
	<author>tepples</author>
	<datestamp>1258475520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>and any case the legal system can possibly raise against them will depend on an extremely specific set of conditions. If not, Google would be every bit as guilty as the Pirate Bay</p></div><p>Some jurisdictions require search services to take down links to allegedly infringing copies in order to maintain safe harbor protection. I don't know about TPB's native Sweden, but the United States is one of them (17 USC 512). Google acts on copyright owners' takedown requests. TPB on the other hand proudly refused to do so, and any assets it had in "takedown" jurisdictions were vulnerable.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>and any case the legal system can possibly raise against them will depend on an extremely specific set of conditions .
If not , Google would be every bit as guilty as the Pirate BaySome jurisdictions require search services to take down links to allegedly infringing copies in order to maintain safe harbor protection .
I do n't know about TPB 's native Sweden , but the United States is one of them ( 17 USC 512 ) .
Google acts on copyright owners ' takedown requests .
TPB on the other hand proudly refused to do so , and any assets it had in " takedown " jurisdictions were vulnerable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and any case the legal system can possibly raise against them will depend on an extremely specific set of conditions.
If not, Google would be every bit as guilty as the Pirate BaySome jurisdictions require search services to take down links to allegedly infringing copies in order to maintain safe harbor protection.
I don't know about TPB's native Sweden, but the United States is one of them (17 USC 512).
Google acts on copyright owners' takedown requests.
TPB on the other hand proudly refused to do so, and any assets it had in "takedown" jurisdictions were vulnerable.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128216</id>
	<title>Distributed Post!</title>
	<author>Lissajous</author>
	<datestamp>1258469700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>F......</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>F..... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>F......</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30129282</id>
	<title>Re:Peer ants</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258475340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The internet interprets censorship as damage, and routes around it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The internet interprets censorship as damage , and routes around it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The internet interprets censorship as damage, and routes around it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30135300</id>
	<title>Re:Still guilty</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258453860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ever hear of intent?  Proving intent in this case is a piece of cake.</p><p>Of course, that should only work for US law, but the Judge in this case is trying to create new interpretations of case law that depend on intent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ever hear of intent ?
Proving intent in this case is a piece of cake.Of course , that should only work for US law , but the Judge in this case is trying to create new interpretations of case law that depend on intent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ever hear of intent?
Proving intent in this case is a piece of cake.Of course, that should only work for US law, but the Judge in this case is trying to create new interpretations of case law that depend on intent.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128612</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30129078</id>
	<title>Re:Still guilty</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258474380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Didn't the US Government directly fund the development of the global file sharing network?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did n't the US Government directly fund the development of the global file sharing network ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Didn't the US Government directly fund the development of the global file sharing network?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128612</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30129030</id>
	<title>Re:Distributed Post!</title>
	<author>Kryptonian Jor-El</author>
	<datestamp>1258474140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I"VE BEEN STUCK ON 98\% FOR 3 DAYS!!!!!!1111!!!1!! SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I " VE BEEN STUCK ON 98 \ % FOR 3 DAYS ! ! ! ! ! ! 1111 ! ! ! 1 ! !
SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I"VE BEEN STUCK ON 98\% FOR 3 DAYS!!!!!!1111!!!1!!
SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128372</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30129974</id>
	<title>Re:Distributed Post!</title>
	<author>gravis777</author>
	<datestamp>1258478040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Refreash your tracker list, I have been seeding for days. I think the tracker server may be overloaded with all these slashdot people hitting us. The original seeder should really have enabled DHT on this torrent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Refreash your tracker list , I have been seeding for days .
I think the tracker server may be overloaded with all these slashdot people hitting us .
The original seeder should really have enabled DHT on this torrent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Refreash your tracker list, I have been seeding for days.
I think the tracker server may be overloaded with all these slashdot people hitting us.
The original seeder should really have enabled DHT on this torrent.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128372</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128264</id>
	<title>Still guilty</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258470060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So they go from hosting a tracker to hosting a bootstrap node that gives clients access to the DHT swarm? In short, in the eyes of the law (and probably of the general public), they're still facilitating the illegal distribution of copyrighted material. At the very least, they look guilty as hell, because they seem to do try their hardest to stick it up to da man.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So they go from hosting a tracker to hosting a bootstrap node that gives clients access to the DHT swarm ?
In short , in the eyes of the law ( and probably of the general public ) , they 're still facilitating the illegal distribution of copyrighted material .
At the very least , they look guilty as hell , because they seem to do try their hardest to stick it up to da man .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So they go from hosting a tracker to hosting a bootstrap node that gives clients access to the DHT swarm?
In short, in the eyes of the law (and probably of the general public), they're still facilitating the illegal distribution of copyrighted material.
At the very least, they look guilty as hell, because they seem to do try their hardest to stick it up to da man.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30130790</id>
	<title>Re:Still guilty</title>
	<author>harmonise</author>
	<datestamp>1258481760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>So they go from hosting a tracker to hosting a bootstrap node that gives clients access to the DHT swarm?</p></div></blockquote><p>No. The bootstrapping node is hosted by the BitTorrent client manufacturer. You'd know that if you had RTFA since it describes how it works for both mainline and Azureus as examples.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So they go from hosting a tracker to hosting a bootstrap node that gives clients access to the DHT swarm ? No .
The bootstrapping node is hosted by the BitTorrent client manufacturer .
You 'd know that if you had RTFA since it describes how it works for both mainline and Azureus as examples .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So they go from hosting a tracker to hosting a bootstrap node that gives clients access to the DHT swarm?No.
The bootstrapping node is hosted by the BitTorrent client manufacturer.
You'd know that if you had RTFA since it describes how it works for both mainline and Azureus as examples.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128264</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30131194</id>
	<title>Re:Still guilty</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1258483620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The real problem is that under standard interpretation of Swedish law they weren't in breach of the law in the first place.</p></div><p>How do you know? Because they've told you so? Are you a Swedish lawyer qualified to judge that they were in the right, and the judge in their case ruled wrongly? (personally, I do not consider myself qualified for that; any arguments that I may advance on this are purely my own views)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The real problem is that under standard interpretation of Swedish law they were n't in breach of the law in the first place.How do you know ?
Because they 've told you so ?
Are you a Swedish lawyer qualified to judge that they were in the right , and the judge in their case ruled wrongly ?
( personally , I do not consider myself qualified for that ; any arguments that I may advance on this are purely my own views )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The real problem is that under standard interpretation of Swedish law they weren't in breach of the law in the first place.How do you know?
Because they've told you so?
Are you a Swedish lawyer qualified to judge that they were in the right, and the judge in their case ruled wrongly?
(personally, I do not consider myself qualified for that; any arguments that I may advance on this are purely my own views)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128608</id>
	<title>Re:Are they?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258472040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's no need to get into technical jargon about "md5 hashes of a file", ".torrent file just links to peers" in The <i>Pirate</i> Bay's case because it's so blatantly clear their main purpose is to enable users to spread copyrighted material.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's no need to get into technical jargon about " md5 hashes of a file " , " .torrent file just links to peers " in The Pirate Bay 's case because it 's so blatantly clear their main purpose is to enable users to spread copyrighted material .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's no need to get into technical jargon about "md5 hashes of a file", ".torrent file just links to peers" in The Pirate Bay's case because it's so blatantly clear their main purpose is to enable users to spread copyrighted material.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30129762</id>
	<title>Binary thinking is rhe geek's downfall.</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1258477140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The law needs to operate on very black and white terms, and things like the Pirate Bay are operating in very new, and very gray, legal territory</i> </p><p>The law doesn't need to see everything in bold outline, black and white, It is really quite good at pattern recognition.</p><p>Detecting half-truths and evasions.</p><p> The geek's convoluted schemes and half-baked lies have never served him well in court. The geek is drawn to Pirate Bay for convenient access to an infringing file. That is its only reason for existence.</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The law needs to operate on very black and white terms , and things like the Pirate Bay are operating in very new , and very gray , legal territory The law does n't need to see everything in bold outline , black and white , It is really quite good at pattern recognition.Detecting half-truths and evasions .
The geek 's convoluted schemes and half-baked lies have never served him well in court .
The geek is drawn to Pirate Bay for convenient access to an infringing file .
That is its only reason for existence .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>The law needs to operate on very black and white terms, and things like the Pirate Bay are operating in very new, and very gray, legal territory The law doesn't need to see everything in bold outline, black and white, It is really quite good at pattern recognition.Detecting half-truths and evasions.
The geek's convoluted schemes and half-baked lies have never served him well in court.
The geek is drawn to Pirate Bay for convenient access to an infringing file.
That is its only reason for existence.
 </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30134596</id>
	<title>A counter-attack to DHT</title>
	<author>tzot</author>
	<datestamp>1258451580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So what RIAA and others need to do, is buy big iron to create torrents with the same hash but useless content, and start spreading them around. The confusion that can ensue could be big.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So what RIAA and others need to do , is buy big iron to create torrents with the same hash but useless content , and start spreading them around .
The confusion that can ensue could be big .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So what RIAA and others need to do, is buy big iron to create torrents with the same hash but useless content, and start spreading them around.
The confusion that can ensue could be big.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30130146</id>
	<title>Haven't they learned yet?</title>
	<author>frosty\_tsm</author>
	<datestamp>1258478760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You can't stop the signal.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You ca n't stop the signal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can't stop the signal.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30129866</id>
	<title>Re:Napster et al court cases...</title>
	<author>Ostracus</author>
	<datestamp>1258477500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You forgot to add payload hiding and other counter-measures so no one will know "Ship of fools by Jerry Garcia" is being downloaded by "Anonymous".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You forgot to add payload hiding and other counter-measures so no one will know " Ship of fools by Jerry Garcia " is being downloaded by " Anonymous " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You forgot to add payload hiding and other counter-measures so no one will know "Ship of fools by Jerry Garcia" is being downloaded by "Anonymous".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128760</id>
	<title>Re:Still guilty</title>
	<author>Xest</author>
	<datestamp>1258472760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The real problem is that under standard interpretation of Swedish law they weren't in breach of the law in the first place. The only reason they have been found guilty is because of a corrupt judge who made up a false interpretation of the law to suit his goals and to find them guilty.</p><p>So on one hand this view that they're in breach of the law is incorrect as it falsely assues judges are infallible, which of course we know full well they are not, but similarly I don't think this will be much help because as the creative industries got away with installing their own judge once and ensuring his position and stance was upheld (even though he did not follow Swedish law as it is written) and so realistically they'll just be able to do it again.</p><p>Effectively, for the TPB guys the law doesn't matter, because whether they stay within it or not a corrupt court system is allowing them to be found guilty regardless. If anything I'd say that they have done this because it's possibly harder to shut down and perhaps easier to move around than a full blown tracker. I don't really blame them for just playing a game of cat and mouse instead, if their own country has failed them in initially allowing an unwarranted police raid due to foreign pressure, then not giving them a fair trial by allowing a judge with a blatant conflict of interest to preside of their trial, and then protect the judge when they follow the proper process for handling such conflict of interest- again, all because of pressure from foreign corporate interests, then I think it's perfectly justified for them to shun the law.</p><p>I'm sure they're also perfectly aware of the consequences, some call this stupid, but then, that's the difference between people willing to risk their freedom for something they believe in and people who just whinge about things on sites like Slashdot I suppose.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The real problem is that under standard interpretation of Swedish law they were n't in breach of the law in the first place .
The only reason they have been found guilty is because of a corrupt judge who made up a false interpretation of the law to suit his goals and to find them guilty.So on one hand this view that they 're in breach of the law is incorrect as it falsely assues judges are infallible , which of course we know full well they are not , but similarly I do n't think this will be much help because as the creative industries got away with installing their own judge once and ensuring his position and stance was upheld ( even though he did not follow Swedish law as it is written ) and so realistically they 'll just be able to do it again.Effectively , for the TPB guys the law does n't matter , because whether they stay within it or not a corrupt court system is allowing them to be found guilty regardless .
If anything I 'd say that they have done this because it 's possibly harder to shut down and perhaps easier to move around than a full blown tracker .
I do n't really blame them for just playing a game of cat and mouse instead , if their own country has failed them in initially allowing an unwarranted police raid due to foreign pressure , then not giving them a fair trial by allowing a judge with a blatant conflict of interest to preside of their trial , and then protect the judge when they follow the proper process for handling such conflict of interest- again , all because of pressure from foreign corporate interests , then I think it 's perfectly justified for them to shun the law.I 'm sure they 're also perfectly aware of the consequences , some call this stupid , but then , that 's the difference between people willing to risk their freedom for something they believe in and people who just whinge about things on sites like Slashdot I suppose .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The real problem is that under standard interpretation of Swedish law they weren't in breach of the law in the first place.
The only reason they have been found guilty is because of a corrupt judge who made up a false interpretation of the law to suit his goals and to find them guilty.So on one hand this view that they're in breach of the law is incorrect as it falsely assues judges are infallible, which of course we know full well they are not, but similarly I don't think this will be much help because as the creative industries got away with installing their own judge once and ensuring his position and stance was upheld (even though he did not follow Swedish law as it is written) and so realistically they'll just be able to do it again.Effectively, for the TPB guys the law doesn't matter, because whether they stay within it or not a corrupt court system is allowing them to be found guilty regardless.
If anything I'd say that they have done this because it's possibly harder to shut down and perhaps easier to move around than a full blown tracker.
I don't really blame them for just playing a game of cat and mouse instead, if their own country has failed them in initially allowing an unwarranted police raid due to foreign pressure, then not giving them a fair trial by allowing a judge with a blatant conflict of interest to preside of their trial, and then protect the judge when they follow the proper process for handling such conflict of interest- again, all because of pressure from foreign corporate interests, then I think it's perfectly justified for them to shun the law.I'm sure they're also perfectly aware of the consequences, some call this stupid, but then, that's the difference between people willing to risk their freedom for something they believe in and people who just whinge about things on sites like Slashdot I suppose.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30129350</id>
	<title>Still confused</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258475580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It looks like someone is still confused there about copyright treaties like the Berne Convention.  </p><p>
It is perfectly legal to download and re-distribute the copyrighted material when the copyright owner gives permission.  MPAA, RIAA, Disney / Microsoft don't want that discussed.  And when formerly copyrighted material has its copyright revoked, either <a href="http://www.law.com/jsp/cc/PubArticleCC.jsp?id=1202434372952" title="law.com">by the rights holder</a> [law.com] or <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2002-10-07-oplede\_x.htm" title="usatoday.com">by the passage of time</a> [usatoday.com].  For example, the early Elvis recordings are now in the public domain in many countries because the copyright on that particular edition has expired.
</p><p>
Further, in some countries, fair use extends to copies for personal use.  So while it may give you the warm and fuzzies to Repeat After Bill his every word, consider that the Internet is a global network and not just limited to your block.
</p><p>
What is likely at the heart of the matter is the issue of whether decentralized communications networks shall be allowed by control-freaks in various companies or their subservient governments.  If it's not  centralized, it's hard to track or censor.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It looks like someone is still confused there about copyright treaties like the Berne Convention .
It is perfectly legal to download and re-distribute the copyrighted material when the copyright owner gives permission .
MPAA , RIAA , Disney / Microsoft do n't want that discussed .
And when formerly copyrighted material has its copyright revoked , either by the rights holder [ law.com ] or by the passage of time [ usatoday.com ] .
For example , the early Elvis recordings are now in the public domain in many countries because the copyright on that particular edition has expired .
Further , in some countries , fair use extends to copies for personal use .
So while it may give you the warm and fuzzies to Repeat After Bill his every word , consider that the Internet is a global network and not just limited to your block .
What is likely at the heart of the matter is the issue of whether decentralized communications networks shall be allowed by control-freaks in various companies or their subservient governments .
If it 's not centralized , it 's hard to track or censor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It looks like someone is still confused there about copyright treaties like the Berne Convention.
It is perfectly legal to download and re-distribute the copyrighted material when the copyright owner gives permission.
MPAA, RIAA, Disney / Microsoft don't want that discussed.
And when formerly copyrighted material has its copyright revoked, either by the rights holder [law.com] or by the passage of time [usatoday.com].
For example, the early Elvis recordings are now in the public domain in many countries because the copyright on that particular edition has expired.
Further, in some countries, fair use extends to copies for personal use.
So while it may give you the warm and fuzzies to Repeat After Bill his every word, consider that the Internet is a global network and not just limited to your block.
What is likely at the heart of the matter is the issue of whether decentralized communications networks shall be allowed by control-freaks in various companies or their subservient governments.
If it's not  centralized, it's hard to track or censor.
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30130108</id>
	<title>Re:Still guilty</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258478640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thank god the Saudi courts don't convict me of committing Saudi crimes in Europe and sentence me to be executed. I still have to fear the evil Americans though, they are heartless conquerors spreading their forced "democratic" rule over the whole world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thank god the Saudi courts do n't convict me of committing Saudi crimes in Europe and sentence me to be executed .
I still have to fear the evil Americans though , they are heartless conquerors spreading their forced " democratic " rule over the whole world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thank god the Saudi courts don't convict me of committing Saudi crimes in Europe and sentence me to be executed.
I still have to fear the evil Americans though, they are heartless conquerors spreading their forced "democratic" rule over the whole world.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30130048</id>
	<title>Re:Napster et al court cases...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258478280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Having trackerless torrents however doesn't help the noninfringing uses, only infringing uses. (If its non-infringing, just host a tracker damnit!)</p></div></blockquote><p>Why?</p><p>If there's a way to make legal distribution more robust and able to tolerate problems (e.g. slashdotting) on your node, why wouldn't you want to use it?</p><p>If the advantages of decentralization are irrelevant, then you don't need bittorrent (tracker or not) for non-infringing use.  Just host a ftpd dammit!</p><p>The MAFIAA is supposedly out to fight piracy, but it's not like the MAFIAA is the only entity in the universe that has ever tried to interfere with information distribution. Nor are people who try to interfere with information distribution, the only thing that ever causes failures.  People are going to want reliable data transfer <em>regardless</em> of whether or not some people happen to want reliability for copyright-infringing purposes.</p><p>TPB is going down for piracy, but the fact that it <em>can</em> be shut down at all, overshadows the relatively minor piracy issue.  If force can be used against trackers, then <strong>everyone</strong> (pirates, <em>other</em> governments, Falun Gong, Operation Clambake, Voice of America, you, and me) benefits from trackerless torrents.  The pirates-vs-MAFIAA battle is unimportant and uninteresting, except perhaps as a technology driver and microcosm-scale stage.  <em>However</em> that turns out, people are always going to need freedom from governments, other bullies, and even "natural" phenomena ("oops the server's down, because a court ordered it / because the admin fucked up and installed some malware / because apparently I tripped over an ethernet cable as I was leaving the building and can't drive back there until tomorrow / because the power went out / because an asteroid hit that city").</p><p>Look at any historical record of computer problems, and "shutdown by the MAFIAA for piracy" is a relatively rare explanation.  Question: What do you do about the other 99.99999\% of cases?  Answer #1: learn from your mistakes and don't let the problem happen again.  Answer #2: learn from your mistake and make a single node failure <em>not matter.</em>  I guess I know which basket <em>you</em> put all <em>your</em> eggs in.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Having trackerless torrents however does n't help the noninfringing uses , only infringing uses .
( If its non-infringing , just host a tracker damnit !
) Why ? If there 's a way to make legal distribution more robust and able to tolerate problems ( e.g .
slashdotting ) on your node , why would n't you want to use it ? If the advantages of decentralization are irrelevant , then you do n't need bittorrent ( tracker or not ) for non-infringing use .
Just host a ftpd dammit ! The MAFIAA is supposedly out to fight piracy , but it 's not like the MAFIAA is the only entity in the universe that has ever tried to interfere with information distribution .
Nor are people who try to interfere with information distribution , the only thing that ever causes failures .
People are going to want reliable data transfer regardless of whether or not some people happen to want reliability for copyright-infringing purposes.TPB is going down for piracy , but the fact that it can be shut down at all , overshadows the relatively minor piracy issue .
If force can be used against trackers , then everyone ( pirates , other governments , Falun Gong , Operation Clambake , Voice of America , you , and me ) benefits from trackerless torrents .
The pirates-vs-MAFIAA battle is unimportant and uninteresting , except perhaps as a technology driver and microcosm-scale stage .
However that turns out , people are always going to need freedom from governments , other bullies , and even " natural " phenomena ( " oops the server 's down , because a court ordered it / because the admin fucked up and installed some malware / because apparently I tripped over an ethernet cable as I was leaving the building and ca n't drive back there until tomorrow / because the power went out / because an asteroid hit that city " ) .Look at any historical record of computer problems , and " shutdown by the MAFIAA for piracy " is a relatively rare explanation .
Question : What do you do about the other 99.99999 \ % of cases ?
Answer # 1 : learn from your mistakes and do n't let the problem happen again .
Answer # 2 : learn from your mistake and make a single node failure not matter .
I guess I know which basket you put all your eggs in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having trackerless torrents however doesn't help the noninfringing uses, only infringing uses.
(If its non-infringing, just host a tracker damnit!
)Why?If there's a way to make legal distribution more robust and able to tolerate problems (e.g.
slashdotting) on your node, why wouldn't you want to use it?If the advantages of decentralization are irrelevant, then you don't need bittorrent (tracker or not) for non-infringing use.
Just host a ftpd dammit!The MAFIAA is supposedly out to fight piracy, but it's not like the MAFIAA is the only entity in the universe that has ever tried to interfere with information distribution.
Nor are people who try to interfere with information distribution, the only thing that ever causes failures.
People are going to want reliable data transfer regardless of whether or not some people happen to want reliability for copyright-infringing purposes.TPB is going down for piracy, but the fact that it can be shut down at all, overshadows the relatively minor piracy issue.
If force can be used against trackers, then everyone (pirates, other governments, Falun Gong, Operation Clambake, Voice of America, you, and me) benefits from trackerless torrents.
The pirates-vs-MAFIAA battle is unimportant and uninteresting, except perhaps as a technology driver and microcosm-scale stage.
However that turns out, people are always going to need freedom from governments, other bullies, and even "natural" phenomena ("oops the server's down, because a court ordered it / because the admin fucked up and installed some malware / because apparently I tripped over an ethernet cable as I was leaving the building and can't drive back there until tomorrow / because the power went out / because an asteroid hit that city").Look at any historical record of computer problems, and "shutdown by the MAFIAA for piracy" is a relatively rare explanation.
Question: What do you do about the other 99.99999\% of cases?
Answer #1: learn from your mistakes and don't let the problem happen again.
Answer #2: learn from your mistake and make a single node failure not matter.
I guess I know which basket you put all your eggs in.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30130738</id>
	<title>Re:Peer ants</title>
	<author>antdude</author>
	<datestamp>1258481580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ants FTW!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ants FTW !
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ants FTW!
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128296</id>
	<title>Peer ants</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258470240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pirates are like ants and always find a way around obstacles and tend to attract  more pirates to use the same path.<br>Removing a single tracker, no matter how widely used it was won't deal much harm. This may lead to the removal of other trackers in the future, but peer exhange and DHT are pretty much a good subsitute in my opinion.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pirates are like ants and always find a way around obstacles and tend to attract more pirates to use the same path.Removing a single tracker , no matter how widely used it was wo n't deal much harm .
This may lead to the removal of other trackers in the future , but peer exhange and DHT are pretty much a good subsitute in my opinion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pirates are like ants and always find a way around obstacles and tend to attract  more pirates to use the same path.Removing a single tracker, no matter how widely used it was won't deal much harm.
This may lead to the removal of other trackers in the future, but peer exhange and DHT are pretty much a good subsitute in my opinion.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30130120</id>
	<title>Re:Still guilty</title>
	<author>gravis777</author>
	<datestamp>1258478640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>However, didn't recently TPB move outside of the EU? Most of the people running the site are also outside of the EU. I think the only one still living in Sweeden is Pete Brokeup (so I can't spell and am too lazy to look it up), and his twitter post gave the impression that he was just as surprised about this as anyone else, which says to me that he is no longer involved with the site.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>However , did n't recently TPB move outside of the EU ?
Most of the people running the site are also outside of the EU .
I think the only one still living in Sweeden is Pete Brokeup ( so I ca n't spell and am too lazy to look it up ) , and his twitter post gave the impression that he was just as surprised about this as anyone else , which says to me that he is no longer involved with the site .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>However, didn't recently TPB move outside of the EU?
Most of the people running the site are also outside of the EU.
I think the only one still living in Sweeden is Pete Brokeup (so I can't spell and am too lazy to look it up), and his twitter post gave the impression that he was just as surprised about this as anyone else, which says to me that he is no longer involved with the site.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128890</id>
	<title>Best quality, Best reputation , Best services,look</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258473360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.coolforsale.com/" title="coolforsale.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.coolforsale.com/</a> [coolforsale.com]   Best quality, Best reputation , Best services Our commitment, customer is God.Quality is our Dignity; Service is our Lift.Ladies and Gentlemen weicome to my coolforsale.com.Here,there are the most fashion products . Pass by but don't miss it.Select your favorite clothing! Welcome to come next time ! ugg boot,POLO hoody,Jacket, Air jordan(1-24)shoes $33 Nike shox(R4,NZ,OZ,TL1,TL2,TL3) $35 Handbags(Coach lv fendi d&amp;g) $35 Tshirts (Polo<nobr> <wbr></nobr>,ed hardy,lacoste) $16 free shipping competitive price any size available accept the paypal Thanks</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.coolforsale.com/ [ coolforsale.com ] Best quality , Best reputation , Best services Our commitment , customer is God.Quality is our Dignity ; Service is our Lift.Ladies and Gentlemen weicome to my coolforsale.com.Here,there are the most fashion products .
Pass by but do n't miss it.Select your favorite clothing !
Welcome to come next time !
ugg boot,POLO hoody,Jacket , Air jordan ( 1-24 ) shoes $ 33 Nike shox ( R4,NZ,OZ,TL1,TL2,TL3 ) $ 35 Handbags ( Coach lv fendi d&amp;g ) $ 35 Tshirts ( Polo ,ed hardy,lacoste ) $ 16 free shipping competitive price any size available accept the paypal Thanks</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.coolforsale.com/ [coolforsale.com]   Best quality, Best reputation , Best services Our commitment, customer is God.Quality is our Dignity; Service is our Lift.Ladies and Gentlemen weicome to my coolforsale.com.Here,there are the most fashion products .
Pass by but don't miss it.Select your favorite clothing!
Welcome to come next time !
ugg boot,POLO hoody,Jacket, Air jordan(1-24)shoes $33 Nike shox(R4,NZ,OZ,TL1,TL2,TL3) $35 Handbags(Coach lv fendi d&amp;g) $35 Tshirts (Polo ,ed hardy,lacoste) $16 free shipping competitive price any size available accept the paypal Thanks</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30158240</id>
	<title>Re:Still guilty</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258652100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the knife-edge descriptor is unwarranted. TPB is on good legal standing. It's the asshole copyright extremophiles who are riding the legal knife-edge in trying to carve out additional profit guarantees for their obviated role.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the knife-edge descriptor is unwarranted .
TPB is on good legal standing .
It 's the asshole copyright extremophiles who are riding the legal knife-edge in trying to carve out additional profit guarantees for their obviated role .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the knife-edge descriptor is unwarranted.
TPB is on good legal standing.
It's the asshole copyright extremophiles who are riding the legal knife-edge in trying to carve out additional profit guarantees for their obviated role.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128384</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128250</id>
	<title>Those guys are playing it dangerous! Hashtable?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258470000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>First "Pirate Bay" and torrents and now Hash?!? What next, cocaine?!</htmltext>
<tokenext>First " Pirate Bay " and torrents and now Hash ? ! ?
What next , cocaine ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First "Pirate Bay" and torrents and now Hash?!?
What next, cocaine?
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128228</id>
	<title>Does this mean TPB will still be working?</title>
	<author>Kirin Fenrir</author>
	<datestamp>1258469760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Proving that technology is always one step ahead of copyright law.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Proving that technology is always one step ahead of copyright law .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Proving that technology is always one step ahead of copyright law.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128612</id>
	<title>Re:Still guilty</title>
	<author>purpledinoz</author>
	<datestamp>1258472100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Then aren't ALL ISPs also facilitating copyright infringement? Isn't Cisco providing the network technology for copyright infringement? Isn't Intel providing the ability for consumers to download illegal material from the Internet? Isn't AMAT, a semiconductor tool manufacturer, guilty of providing Intel with the tools to make microchips for copyright infringement?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Then are n't ALL ISPs also facilitating copyright infringement ?
Is n't Cisco providing the network technology for copyright infringement ?
Is n't Intel providing the ability for consumers to download illegal material from the Internet ?
Is n't AMAT , a semiconductor tool manufacturer , guilty of providing Intel with the tools to make microchips for copyright infringement ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then aren't ALL ISPs also facilitating copyright infringement?
Isn't Cisco providing the network technology for copyright infringement?
Isn't Intel providing the ability for consumers to download illegal material from the Internet?
Isn't AMAT, a semiconductor tool manufacturer, guilty of providing Intel with the tools to make microchips for copyright infringement?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128264</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128272</id>
	<title>Re:Distributed Post!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258470060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>....E..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>....E. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>....E..</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128216</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30130672</id>
	<title>Re:Still guilty</title>
	<author>blitzkrieg3</author>
	<datestamp>1258481160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is exactly what I was thinking. How does this help them in court? They're still hosting a web site that allows a lookup of copyrighted material and then gives you a set of instructions on how to obtain that material.
<br> <br>
What does it matter if those instructions come in the form of a torrent/tracker or a magnet uri/PEX? How much different is tracker.piratebay.com from router.piratebay.com?  Practically speaking they're still doing the same thing. And they're still hosting torrents, so wouldn't that leave an avenue available for the prosecution?</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is exactly what I was thinking .
How does this help them in court ?
They 're still hosting a web site that allows a lookup of copyrighted material and then gives you a set of instructions on how to obtain that material .
What does it matter if those instructions come in the form of a torrent/tracker or a magnet uri/PEX ?
How much different is tracker.piratebay.com from router.piratebay.com ?
Practically speaking they 're still doing the same thing .
And they 're still hosting torrents , so would n't that leave an avenue available for the prosecution ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is exactly what I was thinking.
How does this help them in court?
They're still hosting a web site that allows a lookup of copyrighted material and then gives you a set of instructions on how to obtain that material.
What does it matter if those instructions come in the form of a torrent/tracker or a magnet uri/PEX?
How much different is tracker.piratebay.com from router.piratebay.com?
Practically speaking they're still doing the same thing.
And they're still hosting torrents, so wouldn't that leave an avenue available for the prosecution?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128264</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30132066</id>
	<title>Re:Still guilty</title>
	<author>choongiri</author>
	<datestamp>1258486380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <em>installing their own judge</em> </p><p>

Funny, I can never seem to get that to work.</p><blockquote><div><p> <tt>choongiri@bar:~/judge$<nobr> <wbr></nobr>./configure --with-mpaa &amp;&amp; make clean &amp;&amp; make install<br>make: *** MPAA judge canot be made `clean'. Stop.</tt></p></div> </blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>installing their own judge Funny , I can never seem to get that to work .
choongiri @ bar : ~ /judge $ ./configure --with-mpaa &amp;&amp; make clean &amp;&amp; make installmake : * * * MPAA judge canot be made ` clean' .
Stop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> installing their own judge 

Funny, I can never seem to get that to work.
choongiri@bar:~/judge$ ./configure --with-mpaa &amp;&amp; make clean &amp;&amp; make installmake: *** MPAA judge canot be made `clean'.
Stop. 
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128760</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128582</id>
	<title>Re:Still guilty</title>
	<author>sopssa</author>
	<datestamp>1258471920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except that the law does NOT need to operate on black and white terms, at least not in Scandinavia, and doesn't even do so. Court takes into account your purpose too, and its pretty clear what The Pirate Bay's is. They probably wish now that they would had chosen a better name than a Pirate with it, didn't make it so clear that TPB is 99\% for copyrighted materials and piss back on copyright owners when they wanted their content removed. THEN we would have a harder case, but now its perfectly clear.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except that the law does NOT need to operate on black and white terms , at least not in Scandinavia , and does n't even do so .
Court takes into account your purpose too , and its pretty clear what The Pirate Bay 's is .
They probably wish now that they would had chosen a better name than a Pirate with it , did n't make it so clear that TPB is 99 \ % for copyrighted materials and piss back on copyright owners when they wanted their content removed .
THEN we would have a harder case , but now its perfectly clear .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except that the law does NOT need to operate on black and white terms, at least not in Scandinavia, and doesn't even do so.
Court takes into account your purpose too, and its pretty clear what The Pirate Bay's is.
They probably wish now that they would had chosen a better name than a Pirate with it, didn't make it so clear that TPB is 99\% for copyrighted materials and piss back on copyright owners when they wanted their content removed.
THEN we would have a harder case, but now its perfectly clear.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128384</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30130362</id>
	<title>posted this about 2 years ago</title>
	<author>Danathar</author>
	<datestamp>1258479720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I predicted this was going to happen (no torrents, just DHT hashes). Even posted it on slashdot. It will be interesting to see how the courts see it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I predicted this was going to happen ( no torrents , just DHT hashes ) .
Even posted it on slashdot .
It will be interesting to see how the courts see it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I predicted this was going to happen (no torrents, just DHT hashes).
Even posted it on slashdot.
It will be interesting to see how the courts see it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128772</id>
	<title>Re:Still guilty</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258472820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the irony of your opinion is that its validity is hinged entirely on how stupid you are.</p><p>You are saying that the purpose of the Pirate Bay is ambiguous, thus they can't be charged.  And that's only true if you are stupid, given that the founders have been quite public regarding their intentions to promote piracy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the irony of your opinion is that its validity is hinged entirely on how stupid you are.You are saying that the purpose of the Pirate Bay is ambiguous , thus they ca n't be charged .
And that 's only true if you are stupid , given that the founders have been quite public regarding their intentions to promote piracy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the irony of your opinion is that its validity is hinged entirely on how stupid you are.You are saying that the purpose of the Pirate Bay is ambiguous, thus they can't be charged.
And that's only true if you are stupid, given that the founders have been quite public regarding their intentions to promote piracy.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128384</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128718</id>
	<title>Re:It still doesn't solve everything</title>
	<author>RiotingPacifist</author>
	<datestamp>1258472580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Using DHTs instead of a tracker is real nice and all, but you're still stuck with the same problem: you have to host some information on a server, namely node information that allows you to bootstrap into the DHT, and information that allows you to get the resource you want.</p></div><p>I'm still waiting for somebody to implement a simple bittorrent client in JavaScript and allow a torrent listing site to be hosted on it, then all the server has to host is generic JavaScript.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Using DHTs instead of a tracker is real nice and all , but you 're still stuck with the same problem : you have to host some information on a server , namely node information that allows you to bootstrap into the DHT , and information that allows you to get the resource you want.I 'm still waiting for somebody to implement a simple bittorrent client in JavaScript and allow a torrent listing site to be hosted on it , then all the server has to host is generic JavaScript .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Using DHTs instead of a tracker is real nice and all, but you're still stuck with the same problem: you have to host some information on a server, namely node information that allows you to bootstrap into the DHT, and information that allows you to get the resource you want.I'm still waiting for somebody to implement a simple bittorrent client in JavaScript and allow a torrent listing site to be hosted on it, then all the server has to host is generic JavaScript.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128420</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30146820</id>
	<title>Re:Still guilty</title>
	<author>Kattspya</author>
	<datestamp>1257104100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The prosecutor in that case had stated a year or so before the trial that he didn't think they were breaking any laws and couldn't prosecute. A few calls to the minister of justice later and suddenly the prosecutor had changed his mind. That's how I know the legal ground is all but clear<br> <br>

I listened to most of the trial and read the final judgement and what is striking is that the plaintiffs and the prosecutor failed to implicate any of the TPB-crew in any specific instance of being an accessory to copyright infringement. And you normally can't convict someone on the grounds that they may have done something between so and so dates.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The prosecutor in that case had stated a year or so before the trial that he did n't think they were breaking any laws and could n't prosecute .
A few calls to the minister of justice later and suddenly the prosecutor had changed his mind .
That 's how I know the legal ground is all but clear I listened to most of the trial and read the final judgement and what is striking is that the plaintiffs and the prosecutor failed to implicate any of the TPB-crew in any specific instance of being an accessory to copyright infringement .
And you normally ca n't convict someone on the grounds that they may have done something between so and so dates .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The prosecutor in that case had stated a year or so before the trial that he didn't think they were breaking any laws and couldn't prosecute.
A few calls to the minister of justice later and suddenly the prosecutor had changed his mind.
That's how I know the legal ground is all but clear 

I listened to most of the trial and read the final judgement and what is striking is that the plaintiffs and the prosecutor failed to implicate any of the TPB-crew in any specific instance of being an accessory to copyright infringement.
And you normally can't convict someone on the grounds that they may have done something between so and so dates.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30131194</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30129420</id>
	<title>Does this mean the court will still be working?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258475760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But not ahead of a "contempt of court" charge.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But not ahead of a " contempt of court " charge .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But not ahead of a "contempt of court" charge.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128228</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30142884</id>
	<title>Re:Distributed Post!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257088320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've seeded a lot, I have 4 children.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've seeded a lot , I have 4 children .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've seeded a lot, I have 4 children.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128384</id>
	<title>Re:Still guilty</title>
	<author>thisnamestoolong</author>
	<datestamp>1258470900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hold on there, hoss. It's not that simple -- if we were to define our terms that simply, then ski mask manufacturers would be facilitating the illegal procurement of liquor store cash register contents. The law needs to operate on very black and white terms, and things like the Pirate Bay are operating in very new, and very gray, legal territory. I am nowhere near enough of an expert to comment on how this will specifically affect the legal standing of the Pirate Bay, but I will say that such sites operate on a knife edge of legality -- and any case the legal system can possibly raise against them will depend on an extremely specific set of conditions. If not, Google would be every bit as guilty as the Pirate Bay (as would every single ISP on the planet). What this means is that if the Pirate Bay sufficiently distances itself from the actual illegal activity, then there is no way they can be legitimately prosecuted. We saw the same thing happen with Kazaa (where the industry types decided to go after individual users instead).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hold on there , hoss .
It 's not that simple -- if we were to define our terms that simply , then ski mask manufacturers would be facilitating the illegal procurement of liquor store cash register contents .
The law needs to operate on very black and white terms , and things like the Pirate Bay are operating in very new , and very gray , legal territory .
I am nowhere near enough of an expert to comment on how this will specifically affect the legal standing of the Pirate Bay , but I will say that such sites operate on a knife edge of legality -- and any case the legal system can possibly raise against them will depend on an extremely specific set of conditions .
If not , Google would be every bit as guilty as the Pirate Bay ( as would every single ISP on the planet ) .
What this means is that if the Pirate Bay sufficiently distances itself from the actual illegal activity , then there is no way they can be legitimately prosecuted .
We saw the same thing happen with Kazaa ( where the industry types decided to go after individual users instead ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hold on there, hoss.
It's not that simple -- if we were to define our terms that simply, then ski mask manufacturers would be facilitating the illegal procurement of liquor store cash register contents.
The law needs to operate on very black and white terms, and things like the Pirate Bay are operating in very new, and very gray, legal territory.
I am nowhere near enough of an expert to comment on how this will specifically affect the legal standing of the Pirate Bay, but I will say that such sites operate on a knife edge of legality -- and any case the legal system can possibly raise against them will depend on an extremely specific set of conditions.
If not, Google would be every bit as guilty as the Pirate Bay (as would every single ISP on the planet).
What this means is that if the Pirate Bay sufficiently distances itself from the actual illegal activity, then there is no way they can be legitimately prosecuted.
We saw the same thing happen with Kazaa (where the industry types decided to go after individual users instead).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128264</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30129756</id>
	<title>Still guilty?</title>
	<author>HockeyPuck</author>
	<datestamp>1258477080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why does the court system care how the data is distributed?  If I still point my web browser to TPB, search their website for Movie\_HD\_1080p, and then it gives me some sort of seed/value, then in the eyes of the law the are still providing the same service.  Is this any different from a law standpoint if they switched from an ftp server to an http server to a https server?  The basic premise being "still providing access to copyrighted material."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why does the court system care how the data is distributed ?
If I still point my web browser to TPB , search their website for Movie \ _HD \ _1080p , and then it gives me some sort of seed/value , then in the eyes of the law the are still providing the same service .
Is this any different from a law standpoint if they switched from an ftp server to an http server to a https server ?
The basic premise being " still providing access to copyrighted material .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why does the court system care how the data is distributed?
If I still point my web browser to TPB, search their website for Movie\_HD\_1080p, and then it gives me some sort of seed/value, then in the eyes of the law the are still providing the same service.
Is this any different from a law standpoint if they switched from an ftp server to an http server to a https server?
The basic premise being "still providing access to copyrighted material.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128492</id>
	<title>And the hydra...</title>
	<author>Taibhsear</author>
	<datestamp>1258471440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>grows yet another head. Good luck trying to keep up, MAFIAA.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>grows yet another head .
Good luck trying to keep up , MAFIAA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>grows yet another head.
Good luck trying to keep up, MAFIAA.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30129028</id>
	<title>Re:Still guilty</title>
	<author>Brandonski</author>
	<datestamp>1258474140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>
&gt;...then ski mask manufacturers would be facilitating the illegal procurement of liquor store cash register contents.
<br> <br>
Clearly, <a href="http://entertainment.slashdot.org/entertainment/08/08/15/1453233.shtml" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow"> this is the case</a> [slashdot.org].</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; ...then ski mask manufacturers would be facilitating the illegal procurement of liquor store cash register contents .
Clearly , this is the case [ slashdot.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
&gt;...then ski mask manufacturers would be facilitating the illegal procurement of liquor store cash register contents.
Clearly,  this is the case [slashdot.org].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30130072</id>
	<title>Re:Still guilty</title>
	<author>kirillian</author>
	<datestamp>1258478400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The irony of <b>your</b> opinion is that it is misinformed in the firstplace (or ignorant - but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt). They have stated multiple times that their intentions are not to support piracy, but to support the free exchange and sharing of information. Piracy is the name given them by those foreign corporate interests.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The irony of your opinion is that it is misinformed in the firstplace ( or ignorant - but I 'm giving you the benefit of the doubt ) .
They have stated multiple times that their intentions are not to support piracy , but to support the free exchange and sharing of information .
Piracy is the name given them by those foreign corporate interests .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The irony of your opinion is that it is misinformed in the firstplace (or ignorant - but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt).
They have stated multiple times that their intentions are not to support piracy, but to support the free exchange and sharing of information.
Piracy is the name given them by those foreign corporate interests.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128772</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30142614</id>
	<title>Are DHTs those magnet links you see popping up..?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257086760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are DHTs those magnet links you see popping up..?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are DHTs those magnet links you see popping up.. ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are DHTs those magnet links you see popping up..?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30130774</id>
	<title>Re:Distributed Post!</title>
	<author>Sancho</author>
	<datestamp>1258481640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You people are what is wrong with Slashdot (and lots of other community-driven sites) these days.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You people are what is wrong with Slashdot ( and lots of other community-driven sites ) these days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You people are what is wrong with Slashdot (and lots of other community-driven sites) these days.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128216</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128482</id>
	<title>Re:"Just as effective"?</title>
	<author>icebraining</author>
	<datestamp>1258471440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So lower the maximum open connections in your client. The problem with router is the available RAM for the NAT table. I've set rtorrent to only use 100 per torrent and not only the router holds it nicely, as the connection seems to be more optimized towards actually downloading instead of peer detection, so I get higher throughput.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So lower the maximum open connections in your client .
The problem with router is the available RAM for the NAT table .
I 've set rtorrent to only use 100 per torrent and not only the router holds it nicely , as the connection seems to be more optimized towards actually downloading instead of peer detection , so I get higher throughput .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So lower the maximum open connections in your client.
The problem with router is the available RAM for the NAT table.
I've set rtorrent to only use 100 per torrent and not only the router holds it nicely, as the connection seems to be more optimized towards actually downloading instead of peer detection, so I get higher throughput.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128380</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30130482</id>
	<title>Re:Still guilty</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258480320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you repeat a lie often enough, will it become truth?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you repeat a lie often enough , will it become truth ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you repeat a lie often enough, will it become truth?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128760</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30138120</id>
	<title>maybe actually we juz dun need copyright</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258466940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>utilize rather than legalize</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>utilize rather than legalize</tokentext>
<sentencetext>utilize rather than legalize</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30135726</id>
	<title>Re:Peer ants</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258455240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A single pirate can lift up to 72 times his own body weight in booty. The More you Know!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A single pirate can lift up to 72 times his own body weight in booty .
The More you Know !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A single pirate can lift up to 72 times his own body weight in booty.
The More you Know!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128296</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30138942</id>
	<title>Re:Still guilty</title>
	<author>wvmarle</author>
	<datestamp>1258473600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I didn't count how often the word "corrupt" was used in that post of yours, but if anything, Sweden is not so. It is one of the cleanest and most transparent countries in the world, standing proud near the very top in the <a href="http://www.transparency.org/policy\_research/surveys\_indices/cpi/2009/cpi\_2009\_table" title="transparency.org">corruption index</a> [transparency.org]. One of the major advantages of such a country is that you can be pretty sure of a fair trial, and that if anything is wrong it is all clear in the open and thus can be corrected with relative ease. The USA for example come in at nr 19. Not bad, but not great either, especially not for a country that tries to impose it's own ideas on the rest of the world, with military might if need be.</p><p>If there is any sign of corruption or self-interest from the side of the judge in a country as free and open as Sweden you can count on the press to name and shame such judge and their behaviour, especially with this kind of high-profile cases.</p><p>IANAL, and neither are you, so unless you come up with some serious stuff to back up your claims I call them nonsense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I did n't count how often the word " corrupt " was used in that post of yours , but if anything , Sweden is not so .
It is one of the cleanest and most transparent countries in the world , standing proud near the very top in the corruption index [ transparency.org ] .
One of the major advantages of such a country is that you can be pretty sure of a fair trial , and that if anything is wrong it is all clear in the open and thus can be corrected with relative ease .
The USA for example come in at nr 19 .
Not bad , but not great either , especially not for a country that tries to impose it 's own ideas on the rest of the world , with military might if need be.If there is any sign of corruption or self-interest from the side of the judge in a country as free and open as Sweden you can count on the press to name and shame such judge and their behaviour , especially with this kind of high-profile cases.IANAL , and neither are you , so unless you come up with some serious stuff to back up your claims I call them nonsense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I didn't count how often the word "corrupt" was used in that post of yours, but if anything, Sweden is not so.
It is one of the cleanest and most transparent countries in the world, standing proud near the very top in the corruption index [transparency.org].
One of the major advantages of such a country is that you can be pretty sure of a fair trial, and that if anything is wrong it is all clear in the open and thus can be corrected with relative ease.
The USA for example come in at nr 19.
Not bad, but not great either, especially not for a country that tries to impose it's own ideas on the rest of the world, with military might if need be.If there is any sign of corruption or self-interest from the side of the judge in a country as free and open as Sweden you can count on the press to name and shame such judge and their behaviour, especially with this kind of high-profile cases.IANAL, and neither are you, so unless you come up with some serious stuff to back up your claims I call them nonsense.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128760</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30133602</id>
	<title>Re:Distributed Post!</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1258491480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Uuum dude, you are stuck with <strong>fake</strong>! No shitting penis-nipple-tentacles there. Just white noise or some old advertisement. ^^</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Uuum dude , you are stuck with fake !
No shitting penis-nipple-tentacles there .
Just white noise or some old advertisement .
^ ^</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Uuum dude, you are stuck with fake!
No shitting penis-nipple-tentacles there.
Just white noise or some old advertisement.
^^</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30129030</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30131892</id>
	<title>It's finally happened...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258485780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now let's all move to I2P and we can all forget about this little thing called copyright enforcement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now let 's all move to I2P and we can all forget about this little thing called copyright enforcement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now let's all move to I2P and we can all forget about this little thing called copyright enforcement.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128210</id>
	<title>In a related question</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258469640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How do you get rtorrent to load a magnet link (preferably by pasting it into it's window) ???</p><p>The docs aren't too clear on this. I've tried  and then pasting the magnet link at the "load&gt;" prompt. But no luck.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How do you get rtorrent to load a magnet link ( preferably by pasting it into it 's window ) ? ?
? The docs are n't too clear on this .
I 've tried and then pasting the magnet link at the " load &gt; " prompt .
But no luck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How do you get rtorrent to load a magnet link (preferably by pasting it into it's window) ??
?The docs aren't too clear on this.
I've tried  and then pasting the magnet link at the "load&gt;" prompt.
But no luck.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30131546</id>
	<title>Re:Still guilty</title>
	<author>Guspaz</author>
	<datestamp>1258484700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While I can't see what TPB is claiming since I can't access their blog post, DHT bootstrapping is performed by the developer of the client itself (different clients use different bootstrap hosts). So TPB has no connection to the bootstrapping.</p><p>What they are still doing is providing the torrent files required to find the content in the DHT swarm. Even that can be replaced with magnet links (essentially, the client asks the swarm to provide the torrent file), although then you're still providing a hash that can be used to find the content in the swarm.</p><p>And, at that point, we're dealing with illegal numbers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While I ca n't see what TPB is claiming since I ca n't access their blog post , DHT bootstrapping is performed by the developer of the client itself ( different clients use different bootstrap hosts ) .
So TPB has no connection to the bootstrapping.What they are still doing is providing the torrent files required to find the content in the DHT swarm .
Even that can be replaced with magnet links ( essentially , the client asks the swarm to provide the torrent file ) , although then you 're still providing a hash that can be used to find the content in the swarm.And , at that point , we 're dealing with illegal numbers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I can't see what TPB is claiming since I can't access their blog post, DHT bootstrapping is performed by the developer of the client itself (different clients use different bootstrap hosts).
So TPB has no connection to the bootstrapping.What they are still doing is providing the torrent files required to find the content in the DHT swarm.
Even that can be replaced with magnet links (essentially, the client asks the swarm to provide the torrent file), although then you're still providing a hash that can be used to find the content in the swarm.And, at that point, we're dealing with illegal numbers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128264</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128424</id>
	<title>Re:Still guilty</title>
	<author>hitnrunrambler</author>
	<datestamp>1258471140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Still guilty (Score:2)</p><p>by Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) on Tuesday November 17, @09:01AM (#30128264)</p><p>So they go from hosting a tracker to hosting a bootstrap node that gives clients access to the DHT swarm? In short, in the eyes of the law (and probably of the general public), they're still facilitating the illegal distribution of copyrighted material. At the very least, they look guilty as hell, because they seem to do try their hardest to stick it up to da man.</p></div><p>Don't you mean:<br>"Boss, I know them Duke Boy Pirates is guilty! They've gone from bootlegging trackers to bootlegging bootstraps. In the eyes of the law (and flash) they are facily-tatin' the illegal distribution of moonshine. At the very least, they look guilty as hell, with them outlaw haircuts and that fancy car."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Still guilty ( Score : 2 ) by Rosco P. Coltrane ( 209368 ) on Tuesday November 17 , @ 09 : 01AM ( # 30128264 ) So they go from hosting a tracker to hosting a bootstrap node that gives clients access to the DHT swarm ?
In short , in the eyes of the law ( and probably of the general public ) , they 're still facilitating the illegal distribution of copyrighted material .
At the very least , they look guilty as hell , because they seem to do try their hardest to stick it up to da man.Do n't you mean : " Boss , I know them Duke Boy Pirates is guilty !
They 've gone from bootlegging trackers to bootlegging bootstraps .
In the eyes of the law ( and flash ) they are facily-tatin ' the illegal distribution of moonshine .
At the very least , they look guilty as hell , with them outlaw haircuts and that fancy car .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Still guilty (Score:2)by Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) on Tuesday November 17, @09:01AM (#30128264)So they go from hosting a tracker to hosting a bootstrap node that gives clients access to the DHT swarm?
In short, in the eyes of the law (and probably of the general public), they're still facilitating the illegal distribution of copyrighted material.
At the very least, they look guilty as hell, because they seem to do try their hardest to stick it up to da man.Don't you mean:"Boss, I know them Duke Boy Pirates is guilty!
They've gone from bootlegging trackers to bootlegging bootstraps.
In the eyes of the law (and flash) they are facily-tatin' the illegal distribution of moonshine.
At the very least, they look guilty as hell, with them outlaw haircuts and that fancy car.
"
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128264</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30132730</id>
	<title>Re:In another related question...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258488600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Will files that have not completed downloading when this switchover takes place continue to download or will I have to start over and download the torrent file again?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Will files that have not completed downloading when this switchover takes place continue to download or will I have to start over and download the torrent file again ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will files that have not completed downloading when this switchover takes place continue to download or will I have to start over and download the torrent file again?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128210</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30129170</id>
	<title>Re:Distributed Post!</title>
	<author>sopssa</author>
	<datestamp>1258474920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bad text quality, idea out of sync with the output, no car analogy. Don't bother up-moderating this one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bad text quality , idea out of sync with the output , no car analogy .
Do n't bother up-moderating this one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bad text quality, idea out of sync with the output, no car analogy.
Don't bother up-moderating this one.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30129056</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30130392</id>
	<title>Re:Still guilty</title>
	<author>Requiem18th</author>
	<datestamp>1258479840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Except that the law does NOT need to operate on black and white terms, at least not in Scandinavia</p></div></blockquote><p>Indeed TPB case proves the Scandinavian law can operate on <b>green</b>.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Except that the law does NOT need to operate on black and white terms , at least not in ScandinaviaIndeed TPB case proves the Scandinavian law can operate on green .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except that the law does NOT need to operate on black and white terms, at least not in ScandinaviaIndeed TPB case proves the Scandinavian law can operate on green.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128582</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128372</id>
	<title>Re:Distributed Post!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258470900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously guys, can you PLEASE SEED!!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously guys , can you PLEASE SEED ! ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously guys, can you PLEASE SEED!!!
!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128216</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30130480</id>
	<title>TPB will die on the cross, in the name of politics</title>
	<author>Mathinker</author>
	<datestamp>1258480320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think you misunderstand. The point of TPB, as far as I can see, <b>is</b> martyrdom, in the name of awakening public awareness to their political agenda.</p><p>The thing is, you get more awareness if you go down as slowly and as painfully as possible. Thus the machinations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you misunderstand .
The point of TPB , as far as I can see , is martyrdom , in the name of awakening public awareness to their political agenda.The thing is , you get more awareness if you go down as slowly and as painfully as possible .
Thus the machinations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you misunderstand.
The point of TPB, as far as I can see, is martyrdom, in the name of awakening public awareness to their political agenda.The thing is, you get more awareness if you go down as slowly and as painfully as possible.
Thus the machinations.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128228</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30129684</id>
	<title>Re:And the hydra...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258476840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This metaphor. This one right here. Pure win.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This metaphor .
This one right here .
Pure win .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This metaphor.
This one right here.
Pure win.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128492</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128394</id>
	<title>Are they?</title>
	<author>beatsme</author>
	<datestamp>1258471020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The question then becomes: does the md5 hash of a file, being linked to a swarm of peers with the files themselves, become symbolic of the property that is being pirated ("stolen") in a convincing enough manner to implicate the hashtable host?

It seems to be a stretch.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The question then becomes : does the md5 hash of a file , being linked to a swarm of peers with the files themselves , become symbolic of the property that is being pirated ( " stolen " ) in a convincing enough manner to implicate the hashtable host ?
It seems to be a stretch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The question then becomes: does the md5 hash of a file, being linked to a swarm of peers with the files themselves, become symbolic of the property that is being pirated ("stolen") in a convincing enough manner to implicate the hashtable host?
It seems to be a stretch.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128264</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128792</id>
	<title>Re:Distributed Post!</title>
	<author>hosecoat</author>
	<datestamp>1258472940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>FAKE!</htmltext>
<tokenext>FAKE !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FAKE!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128372</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30138230</id>
	<title>Re:Distributed Post!</title>
	<author>AmberBlackCat</author>
	<datestamp>1258467840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Your possession of the letter t in your torrent is all the proof we need that you are distributing my copyrighted name. I demand that you pay me $7,000 USD for every letter in amberblackcat or face litigation.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your possession of the letter t in your torrent is all the proof we need that you are distributing my copyrighted name .
I demand that you pay me $ 7,000 USD for every letter in amberblackcat or face litigation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your possession of the letter t in your torrent is all the proof we need that you are distributing my copyrighted name.
I demand that you pay me $7,000 USD for every letter in amberblackcat or face litigation.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30129030</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30133546</id>
	<title>mldonkey?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1258491300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh oh that looks like the final death blow to mldonkey<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p><p>Why oh why must it die? It's the <em>only</em> bittorrent/edonkey/ftp/http download manager for headless/remote servers there is. And it&rsquo;s freakin&rsquo; great software.</p><p>Please, is there anyone who knows a replacement? Or who can write OCaml? We need to save it! Or at least have a replacement that can do the same things.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh oh that looks like the final death blow to mldonkey : ( Why oh why must it die ?
It 's the only bittorrent/edonkey/ftp/http download manager for headless/remote servers there is .
And it    s freakin    great software.Please , is there anyone who knows a replacement ?
Or who can write OCaml ?
We need to save it !
Or at least have a replacement that can do the same things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh oh that looks like the final death blow to mldonkey :(Why oh why must it die?
It's the only bittorrent/edonkey/ftp/http download manager for headless/remote servers there is.
And it’s freakin’ great software.Please, is there anyone who knows a replacement?
Or who can write OCaml?
We need to save it!
Or at least have a replacement that can do the same things.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30131246</id>
	<title>Re:Haven't they learned yet?</title>
	<author>Mybrid</author>
	<datestamp>1258483800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's be bad guys!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's be bad guys !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's be bad guys!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30130146</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30138578</id>
	<title>Re:Those guys are playing it dangerous! Hashtable?</title>
	<author>unwastaken</author>
	<datestamp>1258470600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>First "Pirate Bay" and torrents and now Hash?!? What next, cocaine?!</p></div><p>
You wouldn't believe the the file sharing benefits of <a href="http://www.emobilez.com/iphone-wallpapers/data/media/29/scarface\_tony\_montana\_cocaine.jpg" title="emobilez.com" rel="nofollow">coketables</a> [emobilez.com]!  The only reason they haven't really taken off yet is that many users don't want to overclock their hardware when they share.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>First " Pirate Bay " and torrents and now Hash ? ! ?
What next , cocaine ? !
You would n't believe the the file sharing benefits of coketables [ emobilez.com ] !
The only reason they have n't really taken off yet is that many users do n't want to overclock their hardware when they share .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First "Pirate Bay" and torrents and now Hash?!?
What next, cocaine?!
You wouldn't believe the the file sharing benefits of coketables [emobilez.com]!
The only reason they haven't really taken off yet is that many users don't want to overclock their hardware when they share.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128250</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30129044</id>
	<title>Napster et al court cases...</title>
	<author>nweaver</author>
	<datestamp>1258474200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One of the reasons why BitTorrent didn't suffer the legal fate of Napster, Kazaa, etc is that BitTorrent only handles data transfer, not search, and has significant noninfringing uses.</p><p>Having trackerless torrents however doesn't help the noninfringing uses, only infringing uses.  (If its non-infringing, just host a tracker damnit!), thus trackerless client features start to get very dangerous from a legal perspective for the developers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One of the reasons why BitTorrent did n't suffer the legal fate of Napster , Kazaa , etc is that BitTorrent only handles data transfer , not search , and has significant noninfringing uses.Having trackerless torrents however does n't help the noninfringing uses , only infringing uses .
( If its non-infringing , just host a tracker damnit !
) , thus trackerless client features start to get very dangerous from a legal perspective for the developers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of the reasons why BitTorrent didn't suffer the legal fate of Napster, Kazaa, etc is that BitTorrent only handles data transfer, not search, and has significant noninfringing uses.Having trackerless torrents however doesn't help the noninfringing uses, only infringing uses.
(If its non-infringing, just host a tracker damnit!
), thus trackerless client features start to get very dangerous from a legal perspective for the developers.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30132558</id>
	<title>Re:Those guys are playing it dangerous! Hashtable?</title>
	<author>commodore64\_love</author>
	<datestamp>1258487940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In a truly free society you can do whatever drugs you want (at home where you can't harm others).  You can even kill yourself if that's what you desire.</p><p>But we do not live in a free society.<br>We live in a Serf-Master society</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In a truly free society you can do whatever drugs you want ( at home where you ca n't harm others ) .
You can even kill yourself if that 's what you desire.But we do not live in a free society.We live in a Serf-Master society</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In a truly free society you can do whatever drugs you want (at home where you can't harm others).
You can even kill yourself if that's what you desire.But we do not live in a free society.We live in a Serf-Master society</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128250</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30132594</id>
	<title>Distributed indexing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258488120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What is need now is distributed indexing, search and feedback on file quality. That is currently the last centralized component and therefore the most vulnerable point of failure. Poor implementations of indexing/search currently exist (they are inferior to other P2P systems like emule and gnutella) but a good commenting distributed commenting system remains elusive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What is need now is distributed indexing , search and feedback on file quality .
That is currently the last centralized component and therefore the most vulnerable point of failure .
Poor implementations of indexing/search currently exist ( they are inferior to other P2P systems like emule and gnutella ) but a good commenting distributed commenting system remains elusive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is need now is distributed indexing, search and feedback on file quality.
That is currently the last centralized component and therefore the most vulnerable point of failure.
Poor implementations of indexing/search currently exist (they are inferior to other P2P systems like emule and gnutella) but a good commenting distributed commenting system remains elusive.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128476</id>
	<title>Re:"Just as effective"?</title>
	<author>asdf7890</author>
	<datestamp>1258471380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This isn't a fault of the protocol though. The protocol is doing its job properly (putting you in contact with many potential peers) to the extent that your router doesn't cope and isn't failing gracefully.</p><p>you might be able to mitigate the issue somewhat by reducing the number of connections your client makes/accepts, but if the issue is incoming connection attempts (irrespective of whether they are accepted or not) then you may have to stop your router forwarding in bittorrent connections (but this will limit your participation in the swarm to just connections you make, which is not ideal).</p><p>Caveat: I've not used a public tracker aside from when I last updated my local Ubuntu install set for quite some time, so PEX &amp; DHT are not something I use myself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is n't a fault of the protocol though .
The protocol is doing its job properly ( putting you in contact with many potential peers ) to the extent that your router does n't cope and is n't failing gracefully.you might be able to mitigate the issue somewhat by reducing the number of connections your client makes/accepts , but if the issue is incoming connection attempts ( irrespective of whether they are accepted or not ) then you may have to stop your router forwarding in bittorrent connections ( but this will limit your participation in the swarm to just connections you make , which is not ideal ) .Caveat : I 've not used a public tracker aside from when I last updated my local Ubuntu install set for quite some time , so PEX &amp; DHT are not something I use myself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This isn't a fault of the protocol though.
The protocol is doing its job properly (putting you in contact with many potential peers) to the extent that your router doesn't cope and isn't failing gracefully.you might be able to mitigate the issue somewhat by reducing the number of connections your client makes/accepts, but if the issue is incoming connection attempts (irrespective of whether they are accepted or not) then you may have to stop your router forwarding in bittorrent connections (but this will limit your participation in the swarm to just connections you make, which is not ideal).Caveat: I've not used a public tracker aside from when I last updated my local Ubuntu install set for quite some time, so PEX &amp; DHT are not something I use myself.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30129454</id>
	<title>please repost on a non-piratebay site so can read</title>
	<author>cellurl</author>
	<datestamp>1258475940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I cant click on the links because my company block tpb.

<br>
Can someone repost the article on csmonitor or somewhere, pretty please.....
<br>
<a href="http://www.wikispeedia.org/" title="wikispeedia.org" rel="nofollow">Give me more cow bell</a> [wikispeedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I cant click on the links because my company block tpb .
Can someone repost the article on csmonitor or somewhere , pretty please.... . Give me more cow bell [ wikispeedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I cant click on the links because my company block tpb.
Can someone repost the article on csmonitor or somewhere, pretty please.....

Give me more cow bell [wikispeedia.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30131034</id>
	<title>End users</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1258482960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, as an end user do I have re-add all my torrents into my client?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , as an end user do I have re-add all my torrents into my client ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, as an end user do I have re-add all my torrents into my client?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128380</id>
	<title>"Just as effective"?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258470900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wouldn't go as far as saying that DHT&amp;PEX is "just as effective" as using a tracker. I've found that with DHT enabled, a typical home router can get swamped extremely quickly and cause it to either crash or stop accepting new connections. With DHT disabled, I don't seem to have this problem.<br>
<br>
This isn't just specific to me and my router; my friends have also experienced similar problems that were solved by disabling DHT.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would n't go as far as saying that DHT&amp;PEX is " just as effective " as using a tracker .
I 've found that with DHT enabled , a typical home router can get swamped extremely quickly and cause it to either crash or stop accepting new connections .
With DHT disabled , I do n't seem to have this problem .
This is n't just specific to me and my router ; my friends have also experienced similar problems that were solved by disabling DHT .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wouldn't go as far as saying that DHT&amp;PEX is "just as effective" as using a tracker.
I've found that with DHT enabled, a typical home router can get swamped extremely quickly and cause it to either crash or stop accepting new connections.
With DHT disabled, I don't seem to have this problem.
This isn't just specific to me and my router; my friends have also experienced similar problems that were solved by disabling DHT.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30130032</id>
	<title>"Spread copyrighted material"???</title>
	<author>Mathinker</author>
	<datestamp>1258478280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There's no need to get into technical jargon about "md5 hashes of a file", ".torrent file just links to peers" in The <i>Pirate</i> Bay's case because it's so blatantly clear their main purpose is to enable users to spread copyrighted material.</p></div><ol> <li>The whole purpose of the net is to spread copyrighted material, considering that practically everything is copyrighted upon creation because of the Berne convention. What you meant was, <i>to spread other people's copyrighted material without a proper license to do so</i>. The difference is very significant, because when you phrase it properly, you see that it is not trivial for such a site to know what is in that class, considering that they don't know who is posting the torrents, or what kind of licensing might have been granted by the rightsholder.</li><li>Your emphasis on "Pirate" is also not a trivial cut-and-dry issue. If I start a site at "get-away-with-murder.com" which is officially for fictional accounts of murderers who don't get caught, it probably wouldn't be illegal (in the US) <i>even if some of the content actually could aid people to murder others</i> (I'm not talking about <i>particular</i> others).</li></ol></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's no need to get into technical jargon about " md5 hashes of a file " , " .torrent file just links to peers " in The Pirate Bay 's case because it 's so blatantly clear their main purpose is to enable users to spread copyrighted material .
The whole purpose of the net is to spread copyrighted material , considering that practically everything is copyrighted upon creation because of the Berne convention .
What you meant was , to spread other people 's copyrighted material without a proper license to do so .
The difference is very significant , because when you phrase it properly , you see that it is not trivial for such a site to know what is in that class , considering that they do n't know who is posting the torrents , or what kind of licensing might have been granted by the rightsholder.Your emphasis on " Pirate " is also not a trivial cut-and-dry issue .
If I start a site at " get-away-with-murder.com " which is officially for fictional accounts of murderers who do n't get caught , it probably would n't be illegal ( in the US ) even if some of the content actually could aid people to murder others ( I 'm not talking about particular others ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's no need to get into technical jargon about "md5 hashes of a file", ".torrent file just links to peers" in The Pirate Bay's case because it's so blatantly clear their main purpose is to enable users to spread copyrighted material.
The whole purpose of the net is to spread copyrighted material, considering that practically everything is copyrighted upon creation because of the Berne convention.
What you meant was, to spread other people's copyrighted material without a proper license to do so.
The difference is very significant, because when you phrase it properly, you see that it is not trivial for such a site to know what is in that class, considering that they don't know who is posting the torrents, or what kind of licensing might have been granted by the rightsholder.Your emphasis on "Pirate" is also not a trivial cut-and-dry issue.
If I start a site at "get-away-with-murder.com" which is officially for fictional accounts of murderers who don't get caught, it probably wouldn't be illegal (in the US) even if some of the content actually could aid people to murder others (I'm not talking about particular others).
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30130172</id>
	<title>Marilyn Manson quote</title>
	<author>ZarathustraDK</author>
	<datestamp>1258478880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Cut the head off<br>
Grows back hard<br>
I am the hydra<br>
Now you`ll see your star</htmltext>
<tokenext>Cut the head off Grows back hard I am the hydra Now you ` ll see your star</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cut the head off
Grows back hard
I am the hydra
Now you`ll see your star</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30130994</id>
	<title>Re:Napster et al court cases...</title>
	<author>steelfood</author>
	<datestamp>1258482720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All torrents are trackerless by default. You usually have to turn it.</p><p>And most major torrent programs support trackerless torrents by default. In fact, you might be using the trackerless component without actually knowing it.</p><p>So no, just having trackerless torrents means no more than having tracked torrents in terms of copyright infringement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All torrents are trackerless by default .
You usually have to turn it.And most major torrent programs support trackerless torrents by default .
In fact , you might be using the trackerless component without actually knowing it.So no , just having trackerless torrents means no more than having tracked torrents in terms of copyright infringement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All torrents are trackerless by default.
You usually have to turn it.And most major torrent programs support trackerless torrents by default.
In fact, you might be using the trackerless component without actually knowing it.So no, just having trackerless torrents means no more than having tracked torrents in terms of copyright infringement.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30130784</id>
	<title>Re:Still guilty</title>
	<author>scribblej</author>
	<datestamp>1258481760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't see it as any newer or grayer than the guy who stands on the street corner and doesn't have any drugs to sell you, but he will tell you exactly where to go and who to talk to to buy some.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't see it as any newer or grayer than the guy who stands on the street corner and does n't have any drugs to sell you , but he will tell you exactly where to go and who to talk to to buy some .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't see it as any newer or grayer than the guy who stands on the street corner and doesn't have any drugs to sell you, but he will tell you exactly where to go and who to talk to to buy some.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30128384</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30135368</id>
	<title>Distributed Hash</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258454040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whats next? Distributing Hashish</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whats next ?
Distributing Hashish</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whats next?
Distributing Hashish</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_17_1337254.30134318</id>
	<title>Re:Those guys are playing it dangerous! Hashtable?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258450680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenkem" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Jenkem?</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Jenkem ?
[ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Jenkem?
[wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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