<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_16_2223248</id>
	<title>Microsoft Open Sources<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET Micro Framework</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1258368120000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"Back in July, Microsoft announced it was making .NET available under its Community Promise, which in theory allowed free software developers to use the technology without fear of patent lawsuits. Not surprisingly, many free software geeks were unconvinced by the promise (after all, what's a promise compared to an actual open licence?), but now Microsoft has taken things to the next level by <a href="http://www.tuxradar.com/content/microsoft-open-sources-net-micro-framework">releasing the .NET Micro Framework under the Apache 2.0 licence</a>. Yes, you read that correctly: a sizeable chunk of .NET is about to go open source."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " Back in July , Microsoft announced it was making .NET available under its Community Promise , which in theory allowed free software developers to use the technology without fear of patent lawsuits .
Not surprisingly , many free software geeks were unconvinced by the promise ( after all , what 's a promise compared to an actual open licence ?
) , but now Microsoft has taken things to the next level by releasing the .NET Micro Framework under the Apache 2.0 licence .
Yes , you read that correctly : a sizeable chunk of .NET is about to go open source .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "Back in July, Microsoft announced it was making .NET available under its Community Promise, which in theory allowed free software developers to use the technology without fear of patent lawsuits.
Not surprisingly, many free software geeks were unconvinced by the promise (after all, what's a promise compared to an actual open licence?
), but now Microsoft has taken things to the next level by releasing the .NET Micro Framework under the Apache 2.0 licence.
Yes, you read that correctly: a sizeable chunk of .NET is about to go open source.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30126804</id>
	<title>Out to get Icazar</title>
	<author>buttle2000</author>
	<datestamp>1258448760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Miguel plans to make some bucks with Mono on the iPhone.
Perhaps Microsoft just can't handle someone making more money then them with their own tech.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Miguel plans to make some bucks with Mono on the iPhone .
Perhaps Microsoft just ca n't handle someone making more money then them with their own tech .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Miguel plans to make some bucks with Mono on the iPhone.
Perhaps Microsoft just can't handle someone making more money then them with their own tech.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30131704</id>
	<title>Re:OMG it is Meta EEE!</title>
	<author>sorak</author>
	<datestamp>1258485300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Not satisfied with killing software competitors by the Embrace, Extend and Extinguish methodology, now they are doing it to licenses. Pretty soon Apache license will be incompatible with everything non Microsoft, inlcuding Apache Web Server. Run, Run away when you still can!</p></div><p>Compatibility rules don't work the same with licenses...could you imaging a judge saying:</p><p>"hmmm...these two licenses are identical, but the one by Microsoft works differently. Microsoft is the bigger company, so I guess their version is right!"</p><p>Oh, wait...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not satisfied with killing software competitors by the Embrace , Extend and Extinguish methodology , now they are doing it to licenses .
Pretty soon Apache license will be incompatible with everything non Microsoft , inlcuding Apache Web Server .
Run , Run away when you still can ! Compatibility rules do n't work the same with licenses...could you imaging a judge saying : " hmmm...these two licenses are identical , but the one by Microsoft works differently .
Microsoft is the bigger company , so I guess their version is right !
" Oh , wait.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not satisfied with killing software competitors by the Embrace, Extend and Extinguish methodology, now they are doing it to licenses.
Pretty soon Apache license will be incompatible with everything non Microsoft, inlcuding Apache Web Server.
Run, Run away when you still can!Compatibility rules don't work the same with licenses...could you imaging a judge saying:"hmmm...these two licenses are identical, but the one by Microsoft works differently.
Microsoft is the bigger company, so I guess their version is right!
"Oh, wait...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30124518</id>
	<title>Re:Why not give them some cred for trying?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258380240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>what if the dog still has little bits of your cat hanging from it's teeth while it's wagging it's tail?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>what if the dog still has little bits of your cat hanging from it 's teeth while it 's wagging it 's tail ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what if the dog still has little bits of your cat hanging from it's teeth while it's wagging it's tail?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123448</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30132338</id>
	<title>Re:Why not give them some cred for trying?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258487220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That reasoning might apply to working with a dog but we aren't dealing with semi-intelligent animal but with an extremely intelligent organization with a well-worked out strategy of profiting from deception and manipulation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That reasoning might apply to working with a dog but we are n't dealing with semi-intelligent animal but with an extremely intelligent organization with a well-worked out strategy of profiting from deception and manipulation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That reasoning might apply to working with a dog but we aren't dealing with semi-intelligent animal but with an extremely intelligent organization with a well-worked out strategy of profiting from deception and manipulation.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123448</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123144</id>
	<title>Awesome!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258372320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't express how excited I am to see how this will be turned against Microsoft.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't express how excited I am to see how this will be turned against Microsoft .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't express how excited I am to see how this will be turned against Microsoft.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30132964</id>
	<title>Re:Open Sourcing Platform Lock-In Is Meaningless</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1258489320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The entire premise of your post is for all intents and purposes false to 99.9\% of the world.</p><p>Very few organizations are going to keep their own patchsets against the framework.  Even fewer are going to implement their own features.  In both cases, you can really only do so for internal software.  If you distribute it externally you run into compatibility problems with the main distributions.  Yes, you can coexist, but your product has to be a 'must have' before most companies are going to deal with your own special version of the framework, its own set of bugs, and keeping it up to date and patched.</p><p>Yes, OSS allows you to do everything you speak of from a theoretical view point, but from a practical view point its a lot different for everyone but the largest of large companies.</p><p>Google may maintain its own patchsets against the Linux kernel, but they have a team of people to do it and their core business IS writing software.  Take the other 10 or so companies that fall into the same category out of the picture and you won't find many people doing the same.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The entire premise of your post is for all intents and purposes false to 99.9 \ % of the world.Very few organizations are going to keep their own patchsets against the framework .
Even fewer are going to implement their own features .
In both cases , you can really only do so for internal software .
If you distribute it externally you run into compatibility problems with the main distributions .
Yes , you can coexist , but your product has to be a 'must have ' before most companies are going to deal with your own special version of the framework , its own set of bugs , and keeping it up to date and patched.Yes , OSS allows you to do everything you speak of from a theoretical view point , but from a practical view point its a lot different for everyone but the largest of large companies.Google may maintain its own patchsets against the Linux kernel , but they have a team of people to do it and their core business IS writing software .
Take the other 10 or so companies that fall into the same category out of the picture and you wo n't find many people doing the same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The entire premise of your post is for all intents and purposes false to 99.9\% of the world.Very few organizations are going to keep their own patchsets against the framework.
Even fewer are going to implement their own features.
In both cases, you can really only do so for internal software.
If you distribute it externally you run into compatibility problems with the main distributions.
Yes, you can coexist, but your product has to be a 'must have' before most companies are going to deal with your own special version of the framework, its own set of bugs, and keeping it up to date and patched.Yes, OSS allows you to do everything you speak of from a theoretical view point, but from a practical view point its a lot different for everyone but the largest of large companies.Google may maintain its own patchsets against the Linux kernel, but they have a team of people to do it and their core business IS writing software.
Take the other 10 or so companies that fall into the same category out of the picture and you won't find many people doing the same.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123476</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123434</id>
	<title>Your tongues can't repel flavor of that magnitude!</title>
	<author>Tetsujin</author>
	<datestamp>1258373580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ugh, I guess we'll have to eat this <em>boring</em> oatmeal...</p><p><div class="quote"><p>It's A Trap!</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ugh , I guess we 'll have to eat this boring oatmeal...It 's A Trap !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ugh, I guess we'll have to eat this boring oatmeal...It's A Trap!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123194</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123194</id>
	<title>As Admiral Ackbar warned</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258372560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's A Trap!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's A Trap !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's A Trap!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30124352</id>
	<title>Re:As Admiral Ackbar warned</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258378980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I made exactly this observation 3 days ago re<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.net and mono and went from +4 Interesting to 0 Flamebait mysteriously the next day.

<br> <br> <a href="http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1443402&amp;cid=30093722" title="slashdot.org">My Comment.</a> [slashdot.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I made exactly this observation 3 days ago re .net and mono and went from + 4 Interesting to 0 Flamebait mysteriously the next day .
My Comment .
[ slashdot.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I made exactly this observation 3 days ago re .net and mono and went from +4 Interesting to 0 Flamebait mysteriously the next day.
My Comment.
[slashdot.org]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123194</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123612</id>
	<title>Re:Marketshare in Mobile Market</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258374540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Correct me if i'm wrong but doesn't<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.net run in a VM which are explicitly banned from the iphone? OFC it's useful on other smartphones but unless it has sybian support i can't see it being a major player.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Correct me if i 'm wrong but does n't .net run in a VM which are explicitly banned from the iphone ?
OFC it 's useful on other smartphones but unless it has sybian support i ca n't see it being a major player .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Correct me if i'm wrong but doesn't .net run in a VM which are explicitly banned from the iphone?
OFC it's useful on other smartphones but unless it has sybian support i can't see it being a major player.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123128</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30124424</id>
	<title>Question for .Net Micro programmers ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258379520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From the article:</p><p><i> Microsoft isn't opening up the whole stack: the TCP/IP parts are missing because another company wrote that code, and the cryptography libraries are missing because "they are used outside of the scope of the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET Micro Framework" </i></p><p>Does anyone know how hard it is to write your own<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.Net classes/wrappers for the missing pieces?<br>Are there any good<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.Net references for CLR internals? I know how Java was designed and written, did Anders or Microsoft provide any references for<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.Net internals outside of the PR fluff pieces on MSDN? How about a decent book.</p><p>From a embedded Linux perspective, I find this way more interesting than Mono.</p><p>Thanks,</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From the article : Microsoft is n't opening up the whole stack : the TCP/IP parts are missing because another company wrote that code , and the cryptography libraries are missing because " they are used outside of the scope of the .NET Micro Framework " Does anyone know how hard it is to write your own .Net classes/wrappers for the missing pieces ? Are there any good .Net references for CLR internals ?
I know how Java was designed and written , did Anders or Microsoft provide any references for .Net internals outside of the PR fluff pieces on MSDN ?
How about a decent book.From a embedded Linux perspective , I find this way more interesting than Mono.Thanks,</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the article: Microsoft isn't opening up the whole stack: the TCP/IP parts are missing because another company wrote that code, and the cryptography libraries are missing because "they are used outside of the scope of the .NET Micro Framework" Does anyone know how hard it is to write your own .Net classes/wrappers for the missing pieces?Are there any good .Net references for CLR internals?
I know how Java was designed and written, did Anders or Microsoft provide any references for .Net internals outside of the PR fluff pieces on MSDN?
How about a decent book.From a embedded Linux perspective, I find this way more interesting than Mono.Thanks,</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30129092</id>
	<title>Re:Marketshare in Mobile Market</title>
	<author>oh\_my\_080980980</author>
	<datestamp>1258474440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Then Microsoft should have opened the NET Compact Framework.  That's what is used in mobile devices, not the Micro Framework.
<br> <br>
Read article before commenting.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Then Microsoft should have opened the NET Compact Framework .
That 's what is used in mobile devices , not the Micro Framework .
Read article before commenting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then Microsoft should have opened the NET Compact Framework.
That's what is used in mobile devices, not the Micro Framework.
Read article before commenting.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123128</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30128938</id>
	<title>That's great but...</title>
	<author>PerfectionLost</author>
	<datestamp>1258473540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If we cant submit fixes to code branches, we just end up with forked Microsoft products.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If we cant submit fixes to code branches , we just end up with forked Microsoft products .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If we cant submit fixes to code branches, we just end up with forked Microsoft products.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30128728</id>
	<title>Hugh!</title>
	<author>JAlexoi</author>
	<datestamp>1258472640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Do not make me choke!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do not make me choke !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do not make me choke!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30125084</id>
	<title>Re:Marketshare in Mobile Market</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258385340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I am absolutely certain that iPhone development is causing iPhone developers to learn and be comfortable with XCode on Mac machines while at the same time creating more skilled Objective-C coders that will be more proficent in writing normal OS X applications.</p></div><p>
iPhone development is the reason why I picked up Objective-C.
</p><p>
An absolute boatload of people have<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET experience (desktop as well as web apps), so pushing<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET as a mobile development platform would make tons of sense... but ONLY IF YOU DON'T FUCK IT UP.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am absolutely certain that iPhone development is causing iPhone developers to learn and be comfortable with XCode on Mac machines while at the same time creating more skilled Objective-C coders that will be more proficent in writing normal OS X applications .
iPhone development is the reason why I picked up Objective-C . An absolute boatload of people have .NET experience ( desktop as well as web apps ) , so pushing .NET as a mobile development platform would make tons of sense... but ONLY IF YOU DO N'T FUCK IT UP .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am absolutely certain that iPhone development is causing iPhone developers to learn and be comfortable with XCode on Mac machines while at the same time creating more skilled Objective-C coders that will be more proficent in writing normal OS X applications.
iPhone development is the reason why I picked up Objective-C.

An absolute boatload of people have .NET experience (desktop as well as web apps), so pushing .NET as a mobile development platform would make tons of sense... but ONLY IF YOU DON'T FUCK IT UP.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123128</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123404</id>
	<title>Re:Open Sourcing Platform Lock-In Is Meaningless</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258373460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah... open source doesn't mean what you seem to think it means.  In fact your point is nonsensical as because you have the source you could port it to whatever platform you want.  Seriously, wtf are you blathering on about?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah... open source does n't mean what you seem to think it means .
In fact your point is nonsensical as because you have the source you could port it to whatever platform you want .
Seriously , wtf are you blathering on about ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah... open source doesn't mean what you seem to think it means.
In fact your point is nonsensical as because you have the source you could port it to whatever platform you want.
Seriously, wtf are you blathering on about?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123676</id>
	<title>Re:As Admiral Ackbar warned</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258374900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No it is a sign. Microsoft releasing open source in any form == cthulu or something worse about to happen. zoiks</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No it is a sign .
Microsoft releasing open source in any form = = cthulu or something worse about to happen .
zoiks</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No it is a sign.
Microsoft releasing open source in any form == cthulu or something worse about to happen.
zoiks</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123068</id>
	<title>Open Sourcing Platform Lock-In Is Meaningless</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258372020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The entire concept behind<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET is that any company that bases their products on it slips the yoke of control onto their necks and lock the hasp.  You don't code your applications to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET and then move them to anything other that whatever versions of Windows Microsoft chooses.  You can call it Open Source, but that doesn't make it so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The entire concept behind .NET is that any company that bases their products on it slips the yoke of control onto their necks and lock the hasp .
You do n't code your applications to .NET and then move them to anything other that whatever versions of Windows Microsoft chooses .
You can call it Open Source , but that does n't make it so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The entire concept behind .NET is that any company that bases their products on it slips the yoke of control onto their necks and lock the hasp.
You don't code your applications to .NET and then move them to anything other that whatever versions of Windows Microsoft chooses.
You can call it Open Source, but that doesn't make it so.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30127022</id>
	<title>Just *outsourcing* to the 'community*...</title>
	<author>comm2k</author>
	<datestamp>1258452240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hardly anyone really cared about the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET micro framework and it *failed* to create/capture any big market. So they axed most of the team and and are now releasing the source. Of course they are going to slaughter it for PR-purposes... in the hope someone will get into the Windows ecosystem and develop with it.
See:<br>
<a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/16/dot\_net\_micro\_framework\_open\_sourced/" title="theregister.co.uk">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/16/dot\_net\_micro\_framework\_open\_sourced/</a> [theregister.co.uk] <br>
<a href="http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/05/07/microsoft\_products\_scaled\_back/" title="channelregister.co.uk">http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/05/07/microsoft\_products\_scaled\_back/</a> [channelregister.co.uk]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hardly anyone really cared about the .NET micro framework and it * failed * to create/capture any big market .
So they axed most of the team and and are now releasing the source .
Of course they are going to slaughter it for PR-purposes... in the hope someone will get into the Windows ecosystem and develop with it .
See : http : //www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/16/dot \ _net \ _micro \ _framework \ _open \ _sourced/ [ theregister.co.uk ] http : //www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/05/07/microsoft \ _products \ _scaled \ _back/ [ channelregister.co.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hardly anyone really cared about the .NET micro framework and it *failed* to create/capture any big market.
So they axed most of the team and and are now releasing the source.
Of course they are going to slaughter it for PR-purposes... in the hope someone will get into the Windows ecosystem and develop with it.
See:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/16/dot\_net\_micro\_framework\_open\_sourced/ [theregister.co.uk] 
http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/05/07/microsoft\_products\_scaled\_back/ [channelregister.co.uk]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123156</id>
	<title>OMG it is Meta EEE!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258372380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not satisfied with killing software competitors by the Embrace, Extend and Extinguish methodology, now they are doing it to licenses. Pretty soon Apache license will be incompatible with everything non Microsoft, inlcuding Apache Web Server. Run, Run away when you still can!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not satisfied with killing software competitors by the Embrace , Extend and Extinguish methodology , now they are doing it to licenses .
Pretty soon Apache license will be incompatible with everything non Microsoft , inlcuding Apache Web Server .
Run , Run away when you still can !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not satisfied with killing software competitors by the Embrace, Extend and Extinguish methodology, now they are doing it to licenses.
Pretty soon Apache license will be incompatible with everything non Microsoft, inlcuding Apache Web Server.
Run, Run away when you still can!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30129224</id>
	<title>Re:Why not give them some cred for trying?</title>
	<author>StormReaver</author>
	<datestamp>1258475100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You don't train a misbehaving dog to be well-mannered by whacking it one every time it wags its tail.</p></div><p>You also don't retrain a misbehaving dog by patting it on the back every time it bites someone's hand off.  There's a very good reason nobody trust Microsoft.  There are only so many hands to go around, and Microsoft has a mouthful of other people's limbs.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't train a misbehaving dog to be well-mannered by whacking it one every time it wags its tail.You also do n't retrain a misbehaving dog by patting it on the back every time it bites someone 's hand off .
There 's a very good reason nobody trust Microsoft .
There are only so many hands to go around , and Microsoft has a mouthful of other people 's limbs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't train a misbehaving dog to be well-mannered by whacking it one every time it wags its tail.You also don't retrain a misbehaving dog by patting it on the back every time it bites someone's hand off.
There's a very good reason nobody trust Microsoft.
There are only so many hands to go around, and Microsoft has a mouthful of other people's limbs.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123448</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30124170</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah, sure</title>
	<author>Jugalator</author>
	<datestamp>1258377780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Wake me up when they open source the main<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET framework. They put this out there because no one is using it.</p></div><p>It's basically already with souce code available through the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET Reflector, down to variable and method names. The license is in your way though, of course.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wake me up when they open source the main .NET framework .
They put this out there because no one is using it.It 's basically already with souce code available through the .NET Reflector , down to variable and method names .
The license is in your way though , of course .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wake me up when they open source the main .NET framework.
They put this out there because no one is using it.It's basically already with souce code available through the .NET Reflector, down to variable and method names.
The license is in your way though, of course.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123184</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30125606</id>
	<title>Bad tech and propaganda</title>
	<author>gig</author>
	<datestamp>1258390800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think you are insane if you spend even one minute building on Microsoft's sand. Even if you could trust them, not even they know WTF they are doing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you are insane if you spend even one minute building on Microsoft 's sand .
Even if you could trust them , not even they know WTF they are doing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you are insane if you spend even one minute building on Microsoft's sand.
Even if you could trust them, not even they know WTF they are doing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30125440</id>
	<title>Re:There is a problem</title>
	<author>harlows\_monkeys</author>
	<datestamp>1258389000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I was initially impressed by the MS 'open' pledges, until I talked to several coder friends</p></div><p>I'm curious. If you have coding questions, do you talk to your lawyer friends?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was initially impressed by the MS 'open ' pledges , until I talked to several coder friendsI 'm curious .
If you have coding questions , do you talk to your lawyer friends ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was initially impressed by the MS 'open' pledges, until I talked to several coder friendsI'm curious.
If you have coding questions, do you talk to your lawyer friends?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123164</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123164</id>
	<title>There is a problem</title>
	<author>Groo Wanderer</author>
	<datestamp>1258372440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was initially impressed by the MS 'open' pledges, until I talked to several coder friends. Their take, paraphrased, was that it was window dressing with a lot of traps. Basically, they 'opened' the wrapper, just like they did with their Office formats.</p><p>The problem, as it was explained to me, is that if you want to do anything useful, you have to call a bunch of things that are not opened, will not be opened, and MS can still sue your *ss off for using. One person asked how useful it is to 'open' the hypothetical call, Play\_video\_with\_MS\_proprietary\_closed\_codec? I mean, you can copy the functionality, but your software is only cross-platform to the extent that MS proprietary and closed codecs and other things are 'open'.</p><p>This is nothing more than a stealth PR attempt, they will use it to say, "We opened everything up, and see, Linux still sux0rz because it can't play movies, sound, DRM, or anything else useful. We opened everything up, but the Linux model is broken, and their lazy codes won't do the right thing. If you want real XYZ, you need Windows".</p><p>It is nothing more than opening the most useless bits, and using it as a PR hammer. Yay progress?</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -Charlie</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was initially impressed by the MS 'open ' pledges , until I talked to several coder friends .
Their take , paraphrased , was that it was window dressing with a lot of traps .
Basically , they 'opened ' the wrapper , just like they did with their Office formats.The problem , as it was explained to me , is that if you want to do anything useful , you have to call a bunch of things that are not opened , will not be opened , and MS can still sue your * ss off for using .
One person asked how useful it is to 'open ' the hypothetical call , Play \ _video \ _with \ _MS \ _proprietary \ _closed \ _codec ?
I mean , you can copy the functionality , but your software is only cross-platform to the extent that MS proprietary and closed codecs and other things are 'open'.This is nothing more than a stealth PR attempt , they will use it to say , " We opened everything up , and see , Linux still sux0rz because it ca n't play movies , sound , DRM , or anything else useful .
We opened everything up , but the Linux model is broken , and their lazy codes wo n't do the right thing .
If you want real XYZ , you need Windows " .It is nothing more than opening the most useless bits , and using it as a PR hammer .
Yay progress ?
                  -Charlie</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was initially impressed by the MS 'open' pledges, until I talked to several coder friends.
Their take, paraphrased, was that it was window dressing with a lot of traps.
Basically, they 'opened' the wrapper, just like they did with their Office formats.The problem, as it was explained to me, is that if you want to do anything useful, you have to call a bunch of things that are not opened, will not be opened, and MS can still sue your *ss off for using.
One person asked how useful it is to 'open' the hypothetical call, Play\_video\_with\_MS\_proprietary\_closed\_codec?
I mean, you can copy the functionality, but your software is only cross-platform to the extent that MS proprietary and closed codecs and other things are 'open'.This is nothing more than a stealth PR attempt, they will use it to say, "We opened everything up, and see, Linux still sux0rz because it can't play movies, sound, DRM, or anything else useful.
We opened everything up, but the Linux model is broken, and their lazy codes won't do the right thing.
If you want real XYZ, you need Windows".It is nothing more than opening the most useless bits, and using it as a PR hammer.
Yay progress?
                  -Charlie</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30126866</id>
	<title>Re:Question for .Net Micro programmers ...</title>
	<author>Vahokif</author>
	<datestamp>1258449480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't know about TCP/IP, but you could probably port the managed-only crypto implementations from Mono if the license allows it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know about TCP/IP , but you could probably port the managed-only crypto implementations from Mono if the license allows it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know about TCP/IP, but you could probably port the managed-only crypto implementations from Mono if the license allows it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30124424</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123538</id>
	<title>Re:Marketshare in Mobile Market</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258374240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The standard platform for phones is the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET Compact Framework.  What is the Micro Framework intended for anyway?  My guess is that this is Microsoft abandoning a product that has no market, and trying to look good in the process.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The standard platform for phones is the .NET Compact Framework .
What is the Micro Framework intended for anyway ?
My guess is that this is Microsoft abandoning a product that has no market , and trying to look good in the process .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The standard platform for phones is the .NET Compact Framework.
What is the Micro Framework intended for anyway?
My guess is that this is Microsoft abandoning a product that has no market, and trying to look good in the process.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123128</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30126152</id>
	<title>Re:There is a problem</title>
	<author>Abcd1234</author>
	<datestamp>1258396860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I was initially impressed by the MS 'open' pledges, until I talked to several coder friends. </i></p><p>And, what, your "coder friends" have some uniquely gifted insight into the workings of MS?</p><p><i>The problem, as it was explained to me, is that if you want to do anything useful, you have to call a bunch of things that are not opened, will not be opened, and MS can still sue your *ss off for using.</i></p><p>Then don't use them.  Mono has an excellent stack of APIs which provide access to all manner of free software, including databases, Gtk, Gnome and it's libraries, Gstreamer, and so forth.</p><p>As for the core<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET libraries, they're already covered by the community promise, so go nuts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was initially impressed by the MS 'open ' pledges , until I talked to several coder friends .
And , what , your " coder friends " have some uniquely gifted insight into the workings of MS ? The problem , as it was explained to me , is that if you want to do anything useful , you have to call a bunch of things that are not opened , will not be opened , and MS can still sue your * ss off for using.Then do n't use them .
Mono has an excellent stack of APIs which provide access to all manner of free software , including databases , Gtk , Gnome and it 's libraries , Gstreamer , and so forth.As for the core .NET libraries , they 're already covered by the community promise , so go nuts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was initially impressed by the MS 'open' pledges, until I talked to several coder friends.
And, what, your "coder friends" have some uniquely gifted insight into the workings of MS?The problem, as it was explained to me, is that if you want to do anything useful, you have to call a bunch of things that are not opened, will not be opened, and MS can still sue your *ss off for using.Then don't use them.
Mono has an excellent stack of APIs which provide access to all manner of free software, including databases, Gtk, Gnome and it's libraries, Gstreamer, and so forth.As for the core .NET libraries, they're already covered by the community promise, so go nuts.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123164</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30126760</id>
	<title>Ah, I know this one</title>
	<author>SmallFurryCreature</author>
	<datestamp>1258491300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You shoot it, right?
</p><p>I saw it in old yeller. Great movie. Dog gets shot, fun for the whole family.
</p><p>Signed, cat lover.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You shoot it , right ?
I saw it in old yeller .
Great movie .
Dog gets shot , fun for the whole family .
Signed , cat lover .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You shoot it, right?
I saw it in old yeller.
Great movie.
Dog gets shot, fun for the whole family.
Signed, cat lover.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123448</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30124876</id>
	<title>Re:There is a problem</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258383480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is nothing more than a stealth PR attempt, they will use it to say, "We opened everything up, and see,</p></div><p>That's exactly what Microsoft did when XML came along.</p><p>Ballmer put on a huge show of being passionately committed to XML for the Office formats.</p><p>But Ballmer knew perfectly well that the only thing XML does is to standardise low-level lexical and structural data conventions -- which of course is next to useless when the higher-level constructs in the XML are used to define proprietary features.</p><p>You can expect to see a lot of this from Microsoft in the future -- proprietary solutions wrapped in a so-called "open" package, with a great deal of bragging about the "open" part.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is nothing more than a stealth PR attempt , they will use it to say , " We opened everything up , and see,That 's exactly what Microsoft did when XML came along.Ballmer put on a huge show of being passionately committed to XML for the Office formats.But Ballmer knew perfectly well that the only thing XML does is to standardise low-level lexical and structural data conventions -- which of course is next to useless when the higher-level constructs in the XML are used to define proprietary features.You can expect to see a lot of this from Microsoft in the future -- proprietary solutions wrapped in a so-called " open " package , with a great deal of bragging about the " open " part .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is nothing more than a stealth PR attempt, they will use it to say, "We opened everything up, and see,That's exactly what Microsoft did when XML came along.Ballmer put on a huge show of being passionately committed to XML for the Office formats.But Ballmer knew perfectly well that the only thing XML does is to standardise low-level lexical and structural data conventions -- which of course is next to useless when the higher-level constructs in the XML are used to define proprietary features.You can expect to see a lot of this from Microsoft in the future -- proprietary solutions wrapped in a so-called "open" package, with a great deal of bragging about the "open" part.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123164</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30126978</id>
	<title>So where can we download the source code?</title>
	<author>jvervloet</author>
	<datestamp>1258451580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't find it on Codeplex.  Maybe it's on Sourceforge<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't find it on Codeplex .
Maybe it 's on Sourceforge ; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't find it on Codeplex.
Maybe it's on Sourceforge ;-)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123324</id>
	<title>That's one small step for Microsoft....</title>
	<author>ub3r n3u7r4l1st</author>
	<datestamp>1258373100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First they release the source code for Windows 7 USB/DVD Download Tool, and now they open up part of the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET framework.</p><p>That's one small step for Microsoft, one giant leap towards OpenWindows initiative.</p><p>Where is RMS when Half-Life 2 went FOSS?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First they release the source code for Windows 7 USB/DVD Download Tool , and now they open up part of the .NET framework.That 's one small step for Microsoft , one giant leap towards OpenWindows initiative.Where is RMS when Half-Life 2 went FOSS ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First they release the source code for Windows 7 USB/DVD Download Tool, and now they open up part of the .NET framework.That's one small step for Microsoft, one giant leap towards OpenWindows initiative.Where is RMS when Half-Life 2 went FOSS?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123128</id>
	<title>Marketshare in Mobile Market</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258372260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Microsoft knows that mobile development is booming right now and their best chance to get into the market is on very accessible powerful development tools rather than the Windows OS which is quickly losing market share. If Microsoft can have mobile developers coding in<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET, having them be familiar with Windows development is trival (since the Framework obstruficates most of the OS API.)<br> <br>If the Framework gets ported to non-MS platforms, having those developers develop on Visual Studio, on Windows, in Windows eco-systems is additional trivial.<br> <br>
I am absolutely certain that iPhone development is causing iPhone developers to learn and be comfortable with XCode on Mac machines while at the same time creating more skilled Objective-C coders that will be more proficent in writing normal OS X applications.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft knows that mobile development is booming right now and their best chance to get into the market is on very accessible powerful development tools rather than the Windows OS which is quickly losing market share .
If Microsoft can have mobile developers coding in .NET , having them be familiar with Windows development is trival ( since the Framework obstruficates most of the OS API .
) If the Framework gets ported to non-MS platforms , having those developers develop on Visual Studio , on Windows , in Windows eco-systems is additional trivial .
I am absolutely certain that iPhone development is causing iPhone developers to learn and be comfortable with XCode on Mac machines while at the same time creating more skilled Objective-C coders that will be more proficent in writing normal OS X applications .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft knows that mobile development is booming right now and their best chance to get into the market is on very accessible powerful development tools rather than the Windows OS which is quickly losing market share.
If Microsoft can have mobile developers coding in .NET, having them be familiar with Windows development is trival (since the Framework obstruficates most of the OS API.
) If the Framework gets ported to non-MS platforms, having those developers develop on Visual Studio, on Windows, in Windows eco-systems is additional trivial.
I am absolutely certain that iPhone development is causing iPhone developers to learn and be comfortable with XCode on Mac machines while at the same time creating more skilled Objective-C coders that will be more proficent in writing normal OS X applications.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123542</id>
	<title>Re:As Admiral Ackbar warned</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258374240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know you're joking and I don't mean to direct this at you necissarily but I think it should be said.</p><p>Many companies suck.  They abuse their positions and take advantage of their customers, they manipulate the writing and interpretation of laws to suit their ends, they sue innocent people in an effort to scare people into respecting their intangible rights.  Slashdot, correctly, berates them when there is news about this kind of thing.  We help spread knowledge of their actions and provide sometimes insightful analysis which in turn, I hope, gets passed on to others outside the slashdot crowd.</p><p>However, when one of these companies does something right, instead of saying "Good first step, you've got a long way to go but this helps ever so slightly" we berate them just as much as if we found out their datacenters were powered by burning babies.  It's not helpful and it's not really fair.  You can't punish good behavior just as much as bad and expect to have any effects, it doesn't work on dogs and I doubt it works on corporations.</p><p>So, let me (karma be damned) be the first to say:  This is a small step in the right direction Microsoft.  You have a long way to go, but this, ever so slightly, helps.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know you 're joking and I do n't mean to direct this at you necissarily but I think it should be said.Many companies suck .
They abuse their positions and take advantage of their customers , they manipulate the writing and interpretation of laws to suit their ends , they sue innocent people in an effort to scare people into respecting their intangible rights .
Slashdot , correctly , berates them when there is news about this kind of thing .
We help spread knowledge of their actions and provide sometimes insightful analysis which in turn , I hope , gets passed on to others outside the slashdot crowd.However , when one of these companies does something right , instead of saying " Good first step , you 've got a long way to go but this helps ever so slightly " we berate them just as much as if we found out their datacenters were powered by burning babies .
It 's not helpful and it 's not really fair .
You ca n't punish good behavior just as much as bad and expect to have any effects , it does n't work on dogs and I doubt it works on corporations.So , let me ( karma be damned ) be the first to say : This is a small step in the right direction Microsoft .
You have a long way to go , but this , ever so slightly , helps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know you're joking and I don't mean to direct this at you necissarily but I think it should be said.Many companies suck.
They abuse their positions and take advantage of their customers, they manipulate the writing and interpretation of laws to suit their ends, they sue innocent people in an effort to scare people into respecting their intangible rights.
Slashdot, correctly, berates them when there is news about this kind of thing.
We help spread knowledge of their actions and provide sometimes insightful analysis which in turn, I hope, gets passed on to others outside the slashdot crowd.However, when one of these companies does something right, instead of saying "Good first step, you've got a long way to go but this helps ever so slightly" we berate them just as much as if we found out their datacenters were powered by burning babies.
It's not helpful and it's not really fair.
You can't punish good behavior just as much as bad and expect to have any effects, it doesn't work on dogs and I doubt it works on corporations.So, let me (karma be damned) be the first to say:  This is a small step in the right direction Microsoft.
You have a long way to go, but this, ever so slightly, helps.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30124754</id>
	<title>Colin dude!</title>
	<author>Stamat</author>
	<datestamp>1258382220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I dont know what creeps me more, Microsoft going open source or that Colin guy on their page! He wants to chat with me omg! "Got a question? Ask Colin",  "Would you like to have a dialog with Colin?"... But I know how im naming my spam bot!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</htmltext>
<tokenext>I dont know what creeps me more , Microsoft going open source or that Colin guy on their page !
He wants to chat with me omg !
" Got a question ?
Ask Colin " , " Would you like to have a dialog with Colin ? " .. .
But I know how im naming my spam bot !
: P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dont know what creeps me more, Microsoft going open source or that Colin guy on their page!
He wants to chat with me omg!
"Got a question?
Ask Colin",  "Would you like to have a dialog with Colin?"...
But I know how im naming my spam bot!
:P</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30127558</id>
	<title>Plan B</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258461300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It goes roughly like this:</p><p>Plan A:Microsoft would like everyone to be forced to use their OS, their applications and their developer tools and pay through the nose for all of it.</p><p>Plan B:They can't have that so they would like you to use their OS, some of their applications, some of their developer tools and pay for most of it.</p><p>Plan C:They are rapidly approaching the point when they can't have that either, so they would like everyone to use their OS, use most of the applications for free, and mostly their developers tools and pay for the OS at least.</p><p>Plan D:Looking at the data, and seeing which way the wind is blowing, reality has hit them an unkind blow to the snooter. They now have to settle for most people using their OS, the applications are for free, and so will be the developer tools... "...just praise be to God, let us keep those hoards of mugs tied to our OS" they are thinking.</p><p>They ain't giving anything away for free that they haven't been forced to. Stuff em. They're thirty years too late. I use Linux on my servers and my desktop. I develop using free software, and Microsoft (and their proxies in the Novell/Mono rear action) don't figure in my plans.</p><p>
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<tokenext>It goes roughly like this : Plan A : Microsoft would like everyone to be forced to use their OS , their applications and their developer tools and pay through the nose for all of it.Plan B : They ca n't have that so they would like you to use their OS , some of their applications , some of their developer tools and pay for most of it.Plan C : They are rapidly approaching the point when they ca n't have that either , so they would like everyone to use their OS , use most of the applications for free , and mostly their developers tools and pay for the OS at least.Plan D : Looking at the data , and seeing which way the wind is blowing , reality has hit them an unkind blow to the snooter .
They now have to settle for most people using their OS , the applications are for free , and so will be the developer tools... " ...just praise be to God , let us keep those hoards of mugs tied to our OS " they are thinking.They ai n't giving anything away for free that they have n't been forced to .
Stuff em .
They 're thirty years too late .
I use Linux on my servers and my desktop .
I develop using free software , and Microsoft ( and their proxies in the Novell/Mono rear action ) do n't figure in my plans .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>It goes roughly like this:Plan A:Microsoft would like everyone to be forced to use their OS, their applications and their developer tools and pay through the nose for all of it.Plan B:They can't have that so they would like you to use their OS, some of their applications, some of their developer tools and pay for most of it.Plan C:They are rapidly approaching the point when they can't have that either, so they would like everyone to use their OS, use most of the applications for free, and mostly their developers tools and pay for the OS at least.Plan D:Looking at the data, and seeing which way the wind is blowing, reality has hit them an unkind blow to the snooter.
They now have to settle for most people using their OS, the applications are for free, and so will be the developer tools... "...just praise be to God, let us keep those hoards of mugs tied to our OS" they are thinking.They ain't giving anything away for free that they haven't been forced to.
Stuff em.
They're thirty years too late.
I use Linux on my servers and my desktop.
I develop using free software, and Microsoft (and their proxies in the Novell/Mono rear action) don't figure in my plans.
 </sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123478</id>
	<title>Not your father's MS</title>
	<author>pspahn</author>
	<datestamp>1258373880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It seems to me like MS has started acting on consumer's behalf in the past year or two. Despite how much I hate Office and how that unit operates, they have been doing a lot of other things that I've been rather impressed with.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems to me like MS has started acting on consumer 's behalf in the past year or two .
Despite how much I hate Office and how that unit operates , they have been doing a lot of other things that I 've been rather impressed with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems to me like MS has started acting on consumer's behalf in the past year or two.
Despite how much I hate Office and how that unit operates, they have been doing a lot of other things that I've been rather impressed with.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123038</id>
	<title>Re:My first question would be...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258371900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>OR maybe they just think that this will be the best thing for the framework. Maybe they feel that if they get more people using it, it will only strengthen their hold on the market, while making the open source crowd happy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>OR maybe they just think that this will be the best thing for the framework .
Maybe they feel that if they get more people using it , it will only strengthen their hold on the market , while making the open source crowd happy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OR maybe they just think that this will be the best thing for the framework.
Maybe they feel that if they get more people using it, it will only strengthen their hold on the market, while making the open source crowd happy.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123010</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30127534</id>
	<title>It's the .NET Micro Framework, not the full .NET.</title>
	<author>master\_p</author>
	<datestamp>1258460760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET Micro framework is even tinier than the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET Compact Framework! The<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET Micro Framework is for embedded devices with high constraints. It's useless for desktop applications.</p><p>I wouldn't hurry to declare victory of Open Source against Microsoft.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The .NET Micro framework is even tinier than the .NET Compact Framework !
The .NET Micro Framework is for embedded devices with high constraints .
It 's useless for desktop applications.I would n't hurry to declare victory of Open Source against Microsoft .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The .NET Micro framework is even tinier than the .NET Compact Framework!
The .NET Micro Framework is for embedded devices with high constraints.
It's useless for desktop applications.I wouldn't hurry to declare victory of Open Source against Microsoft.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30124880</id>
	<title>Re:Open Sourcing Platform Lock-In Is Meaningless</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258383540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What does this have to do with<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET Micro Framework and/or the Apache License? Nothing. Lets move on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What does this have to do with .NET Micro Framework and/or the Apache License ?
Nothing. Lets move on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What does this have to do with .NET Micro Framework and/or the Apache License?
Nothing. Lets move on.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123068</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30124282</id>
	<title>Dog?</title>
	<author>ratboy666</author>
	<datestamp>1258378500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your definition of "misbehaving" is rather interesting.</p><p>What do you do when an angry, snarling dog, that has been known to kill, and threaten to kill, comes over and doesn't bite.</p><p>Do you reward it? Or do you run away, thankful that you're still alive? I <b>certainly</b> wouldn't be whacking it!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your definition of " misbehaving " is rather interesting.What do you do when an angry , snarling dog , that has been known to kill , and threaten to kill , comes over and does n't bite.Do you reward it ?
Or do you run away , thankful that you 're still alive ?
I certainly would n't be whacking it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your definition of "misbehaving" is rather interesting.What do you do when an angry, snarling dog, that has been known to kill, and threaten to kill, comes over and doesn't bite.Do you reward it?
Or do you run away, thankful that you're still alive?
I certainly wouldn't be whacking it!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123448</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123312</id>
	<title>2012 Ads? Hell Freezing?</title>
	<author>superflit</author>
	<datestamp>1258373040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe it is a promo for the 2012.</p><p>Or</p><p>then the maya calendar has Its reason to end on 2012....<br>Hell is Freezing somewhere...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe it is a promo for the 2012.Orthen the maya calendar has Its reason to end on 2012....Hell is Freezing somewhere.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe it is a promo for the 2012.Orthen the maya calendar has Its reason to end on 2012....Hell is Freezing somewhere...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123468</id>
	<title>Like a rocket takin' off to the moon!</title>
	<author>Tetsujin</author>
	<datestamp>1258373820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Microsoft knows that mobile development is booming</p></div><p>Drum boom bass and the party is boomin'!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft knows that mobile development is boomingDrum boom bass and the party is boomin ' !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft knows that mobile development is boomingDrum boom bass and the party is boomin'!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123128</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30127710</id>
	<title>Re:There is a problem</title>
	<author>weicco</author>
	<datestamp>1258463580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>hypothetical call, Play\_video\_with\_MS\_proprietary\_closed\_codec</p></div></blockquote><p>Whan an earth are you talking about? You don't open videos in<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET just like you don't open videos in C standard library. You use same library/plugin/frontend/whatever to do that. And of course if it's proprietary codec you need download and/or buy support for it.</p><p>MS has a way to simplify this and it's called DirectX. You can open video stream to DirectX component but then again, it's up to what DirectX codecs you have installed to the system. There is bunch of codecs, free and not-free, installed by default and you can use those quite fine through DirectX<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET library.</p><p>I can't play OGG files on my computer; I don't have codec for them. I tried to play them using software written in PHP. So I guess PHP is not free or open after all...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>hypothetical call , Play \ _video \ _with \ _MS \ _proprietary \ _closed \ _codecWhan an earth are you talking about ?
You do n't open videos in .NET just like you do n't open videos in C standard library .
You use same library/plugin/frontend/whatever to do that .
And of course if it 's proprietary codec you need download and/or buy support for it.MS has a way to simplify this and it 's called DirectX .
You can open video stream to DirectX component but then again , it 's up to what DirectX codecs you have installed to the system .
There is bunch of codecs , free and not-free , installed by default and you can use those quite fine through DirectX .NET library.I ca n't play OGG files on my computer ; I do n't have codec for them .
I tried to play them using software written in PHP .
So I guess PHP is not free or open after all.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>hypothetical call, Play\_video\_with\_MS\_proprietary\_closed\_codecWhan an earth are you talking about?
You don't open videos in .NET just like you don't open videos in C standard library.
You use same library/plugin/frontend/whatever to do that.
And of course if it's proprietary codec you need download and/or buy support for it.MS has a way to simplify this and it's called DirectX.
You can open video stream to DirectX component but then again, it's up to what DirectX codecs you have installed to the system.
There is bunch of codecs, free and not-free, installed by default and you can use those quite fine through DirectX .NET library.I can't play OGG files on my computer; I don't have codec for them.
I tried to play them using software written in PHP.
So I guess PHP is not free or open after all...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123164</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123536</id>
	<title>Re:There is a problem</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258374180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Err... couldn't you just rewrite Play\_video\_with\_MS\_proprietary\_closed\_codec so that it doesn't use 'MS\_proprietary\_closed\_codec' when you port it to a different platform...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Err... could n't you just rewrite Play \ _video \ _with \ _MS \ _proprietary \ _closed \ _codec so that it does n't use 'MS \ _proprietary \ _closed \ _codec ' when you port it to a different platform.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Err... couldn't you just rewrite Play\_video\_with\_MS\_proprietary\_closed\_codec so that it doesn't use 'MS\_proprietary\_closed\_codec' when you port it to a different platform...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123164</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123448</id>
	<title>Why not give them some cred for trying?</title>
	<author>drdrgivemethenews</author>
	<datestamp>1258373700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>You don't train a misbehaving dog to be well-mannered by whacking it one every time it wags its tail.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't train a misbehaving dog to be well-mannered by whacking it one every time it wags its tail .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't train a misbehaving dog to be well-mannered by whacking it one every time it wags its tail.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123292</id>
	<title>A sign of the End Times</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258372980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is the world going to end now that Microsoft has released Open Source code?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is the world going to end now that Microsoft has released Open Source code ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is the world going to end now that Microsoft has released Open Source code?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123282</id>
	<title>Re:OMG it is Meta EEE!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258372920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ahhh, so *that's* what the triple-E in the Asus eee submini notebook stood for.  They knew what Microsoft was going to do to it before they even shipped!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ahhh , so * that 's * what the triple-E in the Asus eee submini notebook stood for .
They knew what Microsoft was going to do to it before they even shipped !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ahhh, so *that's* what the triple-E in the Asus eee submini notebook stood for.
They knew what Microsoft was going to do to it before they even shipped!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123156</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123578</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah, sure</title>
	<author>syntaxeater</author>
	<datestamp>1258374420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>ILDasm.exe and get the IL for your viewing pleasure.  Utilize shared extensions and enhance any type you feel needs "opt-inable" improving.  The only thing you're pseudo-kept out of is the VES, but nothing's telling/restricting you from creating your own runtime hosts.  It's what I'd consider client-cloned open source.  Do what you want, extend as you need but ultimately the direction and decision for global enhancements is left with a heavily vested company instead of a users community.</htmltext>
<tokenext>ILDasm.exe and get the IL for your viewing pleasure .
Utilize shared extensions and enhance any type you feel needs " opt-inable " improving .
The only thing you 're pseudo-kept out of is the VES , but nothing 's telling/restricting you from creating your own runtime hosts .
It 's what I 'd consider client-cloned open source .
Do what you want , extend as you need but ultimately the direction and decision for global enhancements is left with a heavily vested company instead of a users community .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ILDasm.exe and get the IL for your viewing pleasure.
Utilize shared extensions and enhance any type you feel needs "opt-inable" improving.
The only thing you're pseudo-kept out of is the VES, but nothing's telling/restricting you from creating your own runtime hosts.
It's what I'd consider client-cloned open source.
Do what you want, extend as you need but ultimately the direction and decision for global enhancements is left with a heavily vested company instead of a users community.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123184</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123326</id>
	<title>Re:My first question would be...</title>
	<author>WinterSolstice</author>
	<datestamp>1258373160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm good with that. I happen to like<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET (despite not being much of a microsoft fan). I find it is a pretty decent front end for the apps that run on windows.</p><p>Having it actually go open source and be out there replacing Mono would certainly be useful to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm good with that .
I happen to like .NET ( despite not being much of a microsoft fan ) .
I find it is a pretty decent front end for the apps that run on windows.Having it actually go open source and be out there replacing Mono would certainly be useful to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm good with that.
I happen to like .NET (despite not being much of a microsoft fan).
I find it is a pretty decent front end for the apps that run on windows.Having it actually go open source and be out there replacing Mono would certainly be useful to me.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123038</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30127556</id>
	<title>Re:Question for .Net Micro programmers ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258461240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought they nicked all their TCP IP stuff from BSD.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought they nicked all their TCP IP stuff from BSD .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought they nicked all their TCP IP stuff from BSD.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30124424</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123476</id>
	<title>Re:Open Sourcing Platform Lock-In Is Meaningless</title>
	<author>RAMMS+EIN</author>
	<datestamp>1258373880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Making it open source allows you to use it, distribute it, and modify it. Even if nobody ports it to your favorite platform, it's still a win for the users. No longer do you have to depend on Microsoft for bugfixes. No longer do you have to hope that, one day, they will implement the feature you're waiting for. Microsoft is no longer the only party allowed to improve the platform or tailor it to your needs. Once it's open source, everyone is allowed to do so.</p><p>So while you are right that making the software open source doesn't magically make it portable, it is far from meaningless.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Making it open source allows you to use it , distribute it , and modify it .
Even if nobody ports it to your favorite platform , it 's still a win for the users .
No longer do you have to depend on Microsoft for bugfixes .
No longer do you have to hope that , one day , they will implement the feature you 're waiting for .
Microsoft is no longer the only party allowed to improve the platform or tailor it to your needs .
Once it 's open source , everyone is allowed to do so.So while you are right that making the software open source does n't magically make it portable , it is far from meaningless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Making it open source allows you to use it, distribute it, and modify it.
Even if nobody ports it to your favorite platform, it's still a win for the users.
No longer do you have to depend on Microsoft for bugfixes.
No longer do you have to hope that, one day, they will implement the feature you're waiting for.
Microsoft is no longer the only party allowed to improve the platform or tailor it to your needs.
Once it's open source, everyone is allowed to do so.So while you are right that making the software open source doesn't magically make it portable, it is far from meaningless.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123068</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123184</id>
	<title>Yeah, sure</title>
	<author>Shadowhawk</author>
	<datestamp>1258372500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wake me up when they open source the main<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET framework. They put this out there because no one is using it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wake me up when they open source the main .NET framework .
They put this out there because no one is using it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wake me up when they open source the main .NET framework.
They put this out there because no one is using it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30126862</id>
	<title>Re:Marketshare in Mobile Market</title>
	<author>s1lverl0rd</author>
	<datestamp>1258449420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Windows OS quickly losing market share? What did I miss?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows OS quickly losing market share ?
What did I miss ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows OS quickly losing market share?
What did I miss?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123128</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123534</id>
	<title>Re:As Admiral Ackbar warned</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258374180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can't beat flavour of that magnitude!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You ca n't beat flavour of that magnitude !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can't beat flavour of that magnitude!
!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123194</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30124324</id>
	<title>Re:Open Sourcing Platform Lock-In Is Meaningless</title>
	<author>supersloshy</author>
	<datestamp>1258378740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Making it open source allows you to use it, distribute it, and modify it.</p></div><p>Wrong. Open Source and Free software <a href="http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html" title="gnu.org" rel="nofollow">are totally different things</a> [gnu.org]. Yes, Free software is Open Source, but being Open Source does not mean that it is Free. Just because someone allows you to use the source of a program doesn't mean you can legally do anything you want with it. However, I just looked up the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache\_License" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Apache License</a> [wikipedia.org] and it seems very similar to licenses like the LGPL, so in <i>this</i> case, you're free to do as you please.</p><p>Just want you all to know the difference so you're not confused in the future.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Making it open source allows you to use it , distribute it , and modify it.Wrong .
Open Source and Free software are totally different things [ gnu.org ] .
Yes , Free software is Open Source , but being Open Source does not mean that it is Free .
Just because someone allows you to use the source of a program does n't mean you can legally do anything you want with it .
However , I just looked up the Apache License [ wikipedia.org ] and it seems very similar to licenses like the LGPL , so in this case , you 're free to do as you please.Just want you all to know the difference so you 're not confused in the future .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Making it open source allows you to use it, distribute it, and modify it.Wrong.
Open Source and Free software are totally different things [gnu.org].
Yes, Free software is Open Source, but being Open Source does not mean that it is Free.
Just because someone allows you to use the source of a program doesn't mean you can legally do anything you want with it.
However, I just looked up the Apache License [wikipedia.org] and it seems very similar to licenses like the LGPL, so in this case, you're free to do as you please.Just want you all to know the difference so you're not confused in the future.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30125176</id>
	<title>Christmas gift.shoes,handbags,ugg boot,Tshirts,</title>
	<author>coolforsale107</author>
	<datestamp>1258386300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.coolforsale.com/" title="coolforsale.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.coolforsale.com/</a> [coolforsale.com]   Best quality, Best reputation , Best services Our commitment, customer is God. Quality is our Dignity; Service is our Lift. Ladies and Gentlemen weicome to my coolforsale.com.Here,there are the most fashion products . Pass by but don't miss it.Select your favorite clothing! Welcome to come next time ! Thank you! Air jordan(1-24)shoes $33 Nike shox(R4,NZ,OZ,TL1,TL2,TL3) $35 Handbags(Coach lv fendi d&amp;g) $35 Tshirts (Polo<nobr> <wbr></nobr>,ed hardy,lacoste) $16 free shipping competitive price any size available accept the paypal Thanks</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.coolforsale.com/ [ coolforsale.com ] Best quality , Best reputation , Best services Our commitment , customer is God .
Quality is our Dignity ; Service is our Lift .
Ladies and Gentlemen weicome to my coolforsale.com.Here,there are the most fashion products .
Pass by but do n't miss it.Select your favorite clothing !
Welcome to come next time !
Thank you !
Air jordan ( 1-24 ) shoes $ 33 Nike shox ( R4,NZ,OZ,TL1,TL2,TL3 ) $ 35 Handbags ( Coach lv fendi d&amp;g ) $ 35 Tshirts ( Polo ,ed hardy,lacoste ) $ 16 free shipping competitive price any size available accept the paypal Thanks</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.coolforsale.com/ [coolforsale.com]   Best quality, Best reputation , Best services Our commitment, customer is God.
Quality is our Dignity; Service is our Lift.
Ladies and Gentlemen weicome to my coolforsale.com.Here,there are the most fashion products .
Pass by but don't miss it.Select your favorite clothing!
Welcome to come next time !
Thank you!
Air jordan(1-24)shoes $33 Nike shox(R4,NZ,OZ,TL1,TL2,TL3) $35 Handbags(Coach lv fendi d&amp;g) $35 Tshirts (Polo ,ed hardy,lacoste) $16 free shipping competitive price any size available accept the paypal Thanks</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30127662</id>
	<title>Re:Question for .Net Micro programmers ...</title>
	<author>cbhacking</author>
	<datestamp>1258462920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>.NET Micro is intended to run on embedded systems which may not even have an OS kernel, let alone a complete network stack. Thus Microsoft needed a lot more than just wrappers for the socket API (which is essentially what normal<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET does); if<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET Micro supports TCP/IP on such devices, it's because Microsoft implemented the protocols within the framework directly.</p><p>Or rather, it sounds like a third party implemented IP and TCP in the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET Micro framework, and thus Microsoft doesn't come complete control over the license on that code.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>.NET Micro is intended to run on embedded systems which may not even have an OS kernel , let alone a complete network stack .
Thus Microsoft needed a lot more than just wrappers for the socket API ( which is essentially what normal .NET does ) ; if .NET Micro supports TCP/IP on such devices , it 's because Microsoft implemented the protocols within the framework directly.Or rather , it sounds like a third party implemented IP and TCP in the .NET Micro framework , and thus Microsoft does n't come complete control over the license on that code .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.NET Micro is intended to run on embedded systems which may not even have an OS kernel, let alone a complete network stack.
Thus Microsoft needed a lot more than just wrappers for the socket API (which is essentially what normal .NET does); if .NET Micro supports TCP/IP on such devices, it's because Microsoft implemented the protocols within the framework directly.Or rather, it sounds like a third party implemented IP and TCP in the .NET Micro framework, and thus Microsoft doesn't come complete control over the license on that code.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123928</id>
	<title>Re:There is a problem</title>
	<author>Carbaholic</author>
	<datestamp>1258376520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You've been able to use<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET in the way you mentioned above for some time. Right now you can download visual studio express, go to codeplex, and start an open source project. It's true that you'll be bound to windows, but there are other benifits to Microsoft opening up a bit.</p><p>MSDN is just a nice community of developers to be involved in. It makes me loyal to Microsoft development products because I know that if I use Visual Studio and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET tools there is a community of friendly people who will help me with my problems and there are friendly people working together to release open source code that Microsoft hasn't gotten around to yet. There are also a host of well written blogs, well made videos, and clear tutorials that help you get started using<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET tools.</p><p>I have not had the same experience working with Java. Whenever I have a java problem to solve I am met with unclear articles and flames. Lots and lots of flames.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 've been able to use .NET in the way you mentioned above for some time .
Right now you can download visual studio express , go to codeplex , and start an open source project .
It 's true that you 'll be bound to windows , but there are other benifits to Microsoft opening up a bit.MSDN is just a nice community of developers to be involved in .
It makes me loyal to Microsoft development products because I know that if I use Visual Studio and .NET tools there is a community of friendly people who will help me with my problems and there are friendly people working together to release open source code that Microsoft has n't gotten around to yet .
There are also a host of well written blogs , well made videos , and clear tutorials that help you get started using .NET tools.I have not had the same experience working with Java .
Whenever I have a java problem to solve I am met with unclear articles and flames .
Lots and lots of flames .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You've been able to use .NET in the way you mentioned above for some time.
Right now you can download visual studio express, go to codeplex, and start an open source project.
It's true that you'll be bound to windows, but there are other benifits to Microsoft opening up a bit.MSDN is just a nice community of developers to be involved in.
It makes me loyal to Microsoft development products because I know that if I use Visual Studio and .NET tools there is a community of friendly people who will help me with my problems and there are friendly people working together to release open source code that Microsoft hasn't gotten around to yet.
There are also a host of well written blogs, well made videos, and clear tutorials that help you get started using .NET tools.I have not had the same experience working with Java.
Whenever I have a java problem to solve I am met with unclear articles and flames.
Lots and lots of flames.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30124464</id>
	<title>Re:There is a problem</title>
	<author>Draek</author>
	<datestamp>1258379820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Funny, but that's exactly how I've always felt about Apple's Darwin. Give away everything minus the actually useful stuff.</p><p>Except, of course, that Mono has actually done a fairly good job of replacing the 'missing' functionality with viable alternatives, so this move is less about "yay! new stuff for me to play with" and more "yay! this is sure to help the Mono guys port their enviroment to new architectures sooner".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny , but that 's exactly how I 've always felt about Apple 's Darwin .
Give away everything minus the actually useful stuff.Except , of course , that Mono has actually done a fairly good job of replacing the 'missing ' functionality with viable alternatives , so this move is less about " yay !
new stuff for me to play with " and more " yay !
this is sure to help the Mono guys port their enviroment to new architectures sooner " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny, but that's exactly how I've always felt about Apple's Darwin.
Give away everything minus the actually useful stuff.Except, of course, that Mono has actually done a fairly good job of replacing the 'missing' functionality with viable alternatives, so this move is less about "yay!
new stuff for me to play with" and more "yay!
this is sure to help the Mono guys port their enviroment to new architectures sooner".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123320</id>
	<title>Re:Marketshare in Mobile Market</title>
	<author>jhoger</author>
	<datestamp>1258373100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Obstruficates? Is that like encapsulates, or abstracts?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Obstruficates ?
Is that like encapsulates , or abstracts ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obstruficates?
Is that like encapsulates, or abstracts?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123334</id>
	<title>Aha! I see it...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258373160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It took some work to locate, but I knew there was skullduggery afoot...</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Microsoft has taken things to the next level by releasing the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET Micro Framework under the Apache 2.0 <b>licence</b>.</p></div><p>There ya go. Microsoft has cleverly made it look like they were following the Apache 2.0 <i>license</i>, when in reality they've got some evil spawn of their own creation that goes under the name "Apache 2.0 <i>licence</i>". That special Microsoft license probably says Ballmer gets to eat your firstborn, or something equally nefarious.</p><p>Those dastardly evildoers!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It took some work to locate , but I knew there was skullduggery afoot...Microsoft has taken things to the next level by releasing the .NET Micro Framework under the Apache 2.0 licence.There ya go .
Microsoft has cleverly made it look like they were following the Apache 2.0 license , when in reality they 've got some evil spawn of their own creation that goes under the name " Apache 2.0 licence " .
That special Microsoft license probably says Ballmer gets to eat your firstborn , or something equally nefarious.Those dastardly evildoers !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It took some work to locate, but I knew there was skullduggery afoot...Microsoft has taken things to the next level by releasing the .NET Micro Framework under the Apache 2.0 licence.There ya go.
Microsoft has cleverly made it look like they were following the Apache 2.0 license, when in reality they've got some evil spawn of their own creation that goes under the name "Apache 2.0 licence".
That special Microsoft license probably says Ballmer gets to eat your firstborn, or something equally nefarious.Those dastardly evildoers!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123880</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah, sure</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258376220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nobody is using it -ANYMORE- because they gutted Visual Studio up through Standard Edition, effectively removing the ability to write WinMo apps using their IDE.  WinMo was a really popular platform, right up until the iPhone showed up and MS fucked their developers.  1, 2 combo... knocked themselves out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nobody is using it -ANYMORE- because they gutted Visual Studio up through Standard Edition , effectively removing the ability to write WinMo apps using their IDE .
WinMo was a really popular platform , right up until the iPhone showed up and MS fucked their developers .
1 , 2 combo... knocked themselves out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nobody is using it -ANYMORE- because they gutted Visual Studio up through Standard Edition, effectively removing the ability to write WinMo apps using their IDE.
WinMo was a really popular platform, right up until the iPhone showed up and MS fucked their developers.
1, 2 combo... knocked themselves out.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123170</id>
	<title>not the first time</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258372440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Several years ago MS released a <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Shared-Source-Essentials-David-Stutz/dp/059600351X/ref=sr\_1\_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1258411699&amp;sr=8-1" title="amazon.com" rel="nofollow"> separate, non-production implementation of the CLR</a> [amazon.com] under a permissive Shared Source license.  That was the "Rotor" project headed by David Stutz.    IIRC the license was pretty reasonably - the gist of it was that you may not copy code verbatim into your own competing project, but if you carry away some useful ideas that appear in a similar form they won't sic David Boies on you.   I heard the Mono folks were sort of paranoid about it, though - they didn't want anyone who had studied that code developing for their project.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Several years ago MS released a separate , non-production implementation of the CLR [ amazon.com ] under a permissive Shared Source license .
That was the " Rotor " project headed by David Stutz .
IIRC the license was pretty reasonably - the gist of it was that you may not copy code verbatim into your own competing project , but if you carry away some useful ideas that appear in a similar form they wo n't sic David Boies on you .
I heard the Mono folks were sort of paranoid about it , though - they did n't want anyone who had studied that code developing for their project .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Several years ago MS released a  separate, non-production implementation of the CLR [amazon.com] under a permissive Shared Source license.
That was the "Rotor" project headed by David Stutz.
IIRC the license was pretty reasonably - the gist of it was that you may not copy code verbatim into your own competing project, but if you carry away some useful ideas that appear in a similar form they won't sic David Boies on you.
I heard the Mono folks were sort of paranoid about it, though - they didn't want anyone who had studied that code developing for their project.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123834</id>
	<title>Re:Marketshare in Mobile Market</title>
	<author>Carbaholic</author>
	<datestamp>1258375800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know, I can't wait for a full port of <i>Revenge of the Fart Machine II</i> for OS X.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know , I ca n't wait for a full port of Revenge of the Fart Machine II for OS X .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know, I can't wait for a full port of Revenge of the Fart Machine II for OS X.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30128226</id>
	<title>what?</title>
	<author>Vexorian</author>
	<datestamp>1258469760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Summary actually says that a "Micro" Framework is a "sizable" chunk! I loled.


<p>What does this have to do with the CP debacle? We are not even talking about the same<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.net implementations.</p><p>So, regarding "Real"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.net: If  the CP suddenly made<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.net "safe" why won't Novell drop their exclusive deal with MS and stop advertizing themselves as the ones with MS' blessing? I would not consider Mono safe until its own copyright holders stop claiming they have an exclusive right to distribute it without getting suits from MS. This is quite logical and rational, yet I expect to get flamed as a zealot in no time...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Summary actually says that a " Micro " Framework is a " sizable " chunk !
I loled .
What does this have to do with the CP debacle ?
We are not even talking about the same .net implementations.So , regarding " Real " .net : If the CP suddenly made .net " safe " why wo n't Novell drop their exclusive deal with MS and stop advertizing themselves as the ones with MS ' blessing ?
I would not consider Mono safe until its own copyright holders stop claiming they have an exclusive right to distribute it without getting suits from MS. This is quite logical and rational , yet I expect to get flamed as a zealot in no time.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Summary actually says that a "Micro" Framework is a "sizable" chunk!
I loled.
What does this have to do with the CP debacle?
We are not even talking about the same .net implementations.So, regarding "Real" .net: If  the CP suddenly made .net "safe" why won't Novell drop their exclusive deal with MS and stop advertizing themselves as the ones with MS' blessing?
I would not consider Mono safe until its own copyright holders stop claiming they have an exclusive right to distribute it without getting suits from MS. This is quite logical and rational, yet I expect to get flamed as a zealot in no time...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123114</id>
	<title>Mono?</title>
	<author>sys.stdout.write</author>
	<datestamp>1258372200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Woo!  Now I don't have to feel guilty when I bitch about Mono not f***ing working correctly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Woo !
Now I do n't have to feel guilty when I bitch about Mono not f * * * ing working correctly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Woo!
Now I don't have to feel guilty when I bitch about Mono not f***ing working correctly.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123010</id>
	<title>My first question would be...</title>
	<author>Q-Hack!</author>
	<datestamp>1258371780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just what is Microsoft's angle?  Surely they are gaining some advantage here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just what is Microsoft 's angle ?
Surely they are gaining some advantage here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just what is Microsoft's angle?
Surely they are gaining some advantage here.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123464</id>
	<title>What's .NET?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258373820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been too busy working with open source technologies and tools.</p><p>Is<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET something new? Does anybody think it will catch on?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been too busy working with open source technologies and tools.Is .NET something new ?
Does anybody think it will catch on ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been too busy working with open source technologies and tools.Is .NET something new?
Does anybody think it will catch on?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30123556</id>
	<title>Re:There is a problem</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258374300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You talked to some dumb coders then.</p><p>While there are bound to be some useless features, one has to wonder what you are spouting your own anti-Microsoft misgivings for.</p><p>The<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET Micro Framework provides simple access to USB and a basic file system, as well as enables developers to write device drivers in C# instead of completely in their device's flavor of Assembly, or C/C++ if they are lucky.</p><p>It's certainly a niche group, but it's not exactly some sort of laughable release by Microsoft.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You talked to some dumb coders then.While there are bound to be some useless features , one has to wonder what you are spouting your own anti-Microsoft misgivings for.The .NET Micro Framework provides simple access to USB and a basic file system , as well as enables developers to write device drivers in C # instead of completely in their device 's flavor of Assembly , or C/C + + if they are lucky.It 's certainly a niche group , but it 's not exactly some sort of laughable release by Microsoft .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You talked to some dumb coders then.While there are bound to be some useless features, one has to wonder what you are spouting your own anti-Microsoft misgivings for.The .NET Micro Framework provides simple access to USB and a basic file system, as well as enables developers to write device drivers in C# instead of completely in their device's flavor of Assembly, or C/C++ if they are lucky.It's certainly a niche group, but it's not exactly some sort of laughable release by Microsoft.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30125092</id>
	<title>You people are fucking retarded</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258385460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>~10 years of coming here and it's "Open sourcing a codebase is better because all bugs become shallow!  Because I can scratch my own itch!  Because we can verify security of the things we run on our machines!  Because the noosphere is better for programmer motivation!  Because selling support &amp; services is a better revenue stream than one-off licenses! (Etc., etc.)" mantras repeated endlessly.</p><p>Then when <em>Microsoft</em> open sources something, you <a href="http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1446022&amp;cid=30123010" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">can't figure out why</a> [slashdot.org] (+5) - what, did that huge list of business reasons just vanish from existence instantly? - or it's <a href="http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1446022&amp;cid=30123164" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">purely for PR</a> [slashdot.org] (+5) or <a href="http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1446022&amp;cid=30123530" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">fear of lawsuits</a> [slashdot.org] or somehow <a href="http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1446022&amp;cid=30123194" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">a trap</a> [slashdot.org] (+4).</p><p>Seriously, who is voting up this fucking idiocy?  Most of it is directly contradictory to the tenets of your own supposed licensing religion.  If the touted benefits of open sourcing exist (and to be clear, I personally believe they do), then <em>gasp</em> just maybe Microsoft wants those benefits, rather than there having to be some byzantine conspiracy as to why they'd do this.</p><p>When I got to slashdot ~10 years ago I thought all the Free software / open source ideas were genuinely interesting, philosophically and (socio-)economically speaking.  I thought "this slashdot place must be somewhere where intellectually independent and creative people from the CS world are fostering some really cool concepts".  Over the years I don't know if slashdot's userbase has drastically changed, or if I've just grown up, but based on this thread it looks more like a bunch of children eagerly competing to out-hate the band who was their all-time favourite band yesterday, because their Mom said she liked that one song.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>~ 10 years of coming here and it 's " Open sourcing a codebase is better because all bugs become shallow !
Because I can scratch my own itch !
Because we can verify security of the things we run on our machines !
Because the noosphere is better for programmer motivation !
Because selling support &amp; services is a better revenue stream than one-off licenses !
( Etc. , etc .
) " mantras repeated endlessly.Then when Microsoft open sources something , you ca n't figure out why [ slashdot.org ] ( + 5 ) - what , did that huge list of business reasons just vanish from existence instantly ?
- or it 's purely for PR [ slashdot.org ] ( + 5 ) or fear of lawsuits [ slashdot.org ] or somehow a trap [ slashdot.org ] ( + 4 ) .Seriously , who is voting up this fucking idiocy ?
Most of it is directly contradictory to the tenets of your own supposed licensing religion .
If the touted benefits of open sourcing exist ( and to be clear , I personally believe they do ) , then gasp just maybe Microsoft wants those benefits , rather than there having to be some byzantine conspiracy as to why they 'd do this.When I got to slashdot ~ 10 years ago I thought all the Free software / open source ideas were genuinely interesting , philosophically and ( socio- ) economically speaking .
I thought " this slashdot place must be somewhere where intellectually independent and creative people from the CS world are fostering some really cool concepts " .
Over the years I do n't know if slashdot 's userbase has drastically changed , or if I 've just grown up , but based on this thread it looks more like a bunch of children eagerly competing to out-hate the band who was their all-time favourite band yesterday , because their Mom said she liked that one song .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>~10 years of coming here and it's "Open sourcing a codebase is better because all bugs become shallow!
Because I can scratch my own itch!
Because we can verify security of the things we run on our machines!
Because the noosphere is better for programmer motivation!
Because selling support &amp; services is a better revenue stream than one-off licenses!
(Etc., etc.
)" mantras repeated endlessly.Then when Microsoft open sources something, you can't figure out why [slashdot.org] (+5) - what, did that huge list of business reasons just vanish from existence instantly?
- or it's purely for PR [slashdot.org] (+5) or fear of lawsuits [slashdot.org] or somehow a trap [slashdot.org] (+4).Seriously, who is voting up this fucking idiocy?
Most of it is directly contradictory to the tenets of your own supposed licensing religion.
If the touted benefits of open sourcing exist (and to be clear, I personally believe they do), then gasp just maybe Microsoft wants those benefits, rather than there having to be some byzantine conspiracy as to why they'd do this.When I got to slashdot ~10 years ago I thought all the Free software / open source ideas were genuinely interesting, philosophically and (socio-)economically speaking.
I thought "this slashdot place must be somewhere where intellectually independent and creative people from the CS world are fostering some really cool concepts".
Over the years I don't know if slashdot's userbase has drastically changed, or if I've just grown up, but based on this thread it looks more like a bunch of children eagerly competing to out-hate the band who was their all-time favourite band yesterday, because their Mom said she liked that one song.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30126070</id>
	<title>Re:Question for .Net Micro programmers ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258395840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For practically everything that is not written in native code, you can use the<nobr> <wbr></nobr><a href="http://www.red-gate.com/products/reflector/" title="red-gate.com" rel="nofollow">.NET Reflector</a> [red-gate.com] to peek into the source code.</p><p>For internals such as the TCP/IP stack, it would not be included. I honestly am not sure it would be a huge leap to take the BSD stack and convert it, but I am not sure if the Micro Framework was any different from the whole<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET Framework's TCP/IP classes.  Fortunately, since it is OSS now, someone can replace that slice, and probably will by early next year.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For practically everything that is not written in native code , you can use the .NET Reflector [ red-gate.com ] to peek into the source code.For internals such as the TCP/IP stack , it would not be included .
I honestly am not sure it would be a huge leap to take the BSD stack and convert it , but I am not sure if the Micro Framework was any different from the whole .NET Framework 's TCP/IP classes .
Fortunately , since it is OSS now , someone can replace that slice , and probably will by early next year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For practically everything that is not written in native code, you can use the .NET Reflector [red-gate.com] to peek into the source code.For internals such as the TCP/IP stack, it would not be included.
I honestly am not sure it would be a huge leap to take the BSD stack and convert it, but I am not sure if the Micro Framework was any different from the whole .NET Framework's TCP/IP classes.
Fortunately, since it is OSS now, someone can replace that slice, and probably will by early next year.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_2223248.30127896</id>
	<title>It's the Java trap</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258466640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What is the use of free software if it is used to perpetuate a vendor lock-in? http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html</p><p>Fuck Micro$oft and their cronies!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What is the use of free software if it is used to perpetuate a vendor lock-in ?
http : //www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.htmlFuck Micro $ oft and their cronies !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is the use of free software if it is used to perpetuate a vendor lock-in?
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.htmlFuck Micro$oft and their cronies!</sentencetext>
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