<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_15_2030203</id>
	<title>Free Software For All Russian Schools In Jeopardy</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1258295100000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Glyn Moody writes <i>"Last year, we discussed here a<a href="//news.slashdot.org/story/08/10/23/1627250/Russia-Mandates-Free-Software-For-Public-Schools"> Russian plan to install free software</a> in all its schools. Seems <a href="http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/11/free-software-for-all-russian-schools.html">things aren't going so well</a>. Funds for the project have been cut back, some of the free software discs already sent out were faulty, and &mdash; inevitably &mdash; Microsoft has agreed to a 'special price' for Windows XP used in Russian schools."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Glyn Moody writes " Last year , we discussed here a Russian plan to install free software in all its schools .
Seems things are n't going so well .
Funds for the project have been cut back , some of the free software discs already sent out were faulty , and    inevitably    Microsoft has agreed to a 'special price ' for Windows XP used in Russian schools .
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<sentencetext>Glyn Moody writes "Last year, we discussed here a Russian plan to install free software in all its schools.
Seems things aren't going so well.
Funds for the project have been cut back, some of the free software discs already sent out were faulty, and — inevitably — Microsoft has agreed to a 'special price' for Windows XP used in Russian schools.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30111210</id>
	<title>In Soviet Russia</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258298940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Free software costs too much?  Really?
</p><p>Somebody needs to explain some things to these folks.  It's not that hard: you install LTSP on a server, all the clients boot to the network.  Install all the software you want on the server.  If instead of (or in addition to) thin client/shared desktop you want an image on the desktop you configure the PXE server to dish an installer image.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Free software costs too much ?
Really ? Somebody needs to explain some things to these folks .
It 's not that hard : you install LTSP on a server , all the clients boot to the network .
Install all the software you want on the server .
If instead of ( or in addition to ) thin client/shared desktop you want an image on the desktop you configure the PXE server to dish an installer image .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Free software costs too much?
Really?
Somebody needs to explain some things to these folks.
It's not that hard: you install LTSP on a server, all the clients boot to the network.
Install all the software you want on the server.
If instead of (or in addition to) thin client/shared desktop you want an image on the desktop you configure the PXE server to dish an installer image.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30112578</id>
	<title>Free Windows SW is cheap marketing.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258314480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Microsoft gives the schools free software and Russian students learn to use it. They get the Microsoft propaganda (Lower TCO, innovative, how easy is is to do<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... etc). In a few years these students are the experts and will be working in government, industry and where ever. When they are asked how to solve a problem they will usually recommend Microsoft because that is what they know. Now had they been trained on OSS they would recommend that.

This is a quite a bargain for Microsoft, even if they give the schools free software forever. If it works for them a large part of Russia will be using and paying for Microsoft software, just like here.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft gives the schools free software and Russian students learn to use it .
They get the Microsoft propaganda ( Lower TCO , innovative , how easy is is to do ... etc ) . In a few years these students are the experts and will be working in government , industry and where ever .
When they are asked how to solve a problem they will usually recommend Microsoft because that is what they know .
Now had they been trained on OSS they would recommend that .
This is a quite a bargain for Microsoft , even if they give the schools free software forever .
If it works for them a large part of Russia will be using and paying for Microsoft software , just like here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft gives the schools free software and Russian students learn to use it.
They get the Microsoft propaganda (Lower TCO, innovative, how easy is is to do ... etc). In a few years these students are the experts and will be working in government, industry and where ever.
When they are asked how to solve a problem they will usually recommend Microsoft because that is what they know.
Now had they been trained on OSS they would recommend that.
This is a quite a bargain for Microsoft, even if they give the schools free software forever.
If it works for them a large part of Russia will be using and paying for Microsoft software, just like here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30112032</id>
	<title>Mashenka</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258306980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a very old news. About 1,5 months ago the company (Armada) which was working on the project last year (in a consortium with some other companies) lost the bid. So now another company (I.T. Co) took it over - <a href="http://www.eng.it.ru/new\_1478.html" title="eng.it.ru" rel="nofollow">www.eng.it.ru/new\_1478.html</a> [eng.it.ru], <a href="http://www.eng.it.ru/new\_1490.html" title="eng.it.ru" rel="nofollow">http://www.eng.it.ru/new\_1490.html</a> [eng.it.ru]. This is the education site for teachers about FOSS - <a href="http://pspo.it.ru/" title="pspo.it.ru" rel="nofollow">http://pspo.it.ru/</a> [pspo.it.ru](but it's on russian).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a very old news .
About 1,5 months ago the company ( Armada ) which was working on the project last year ( in a consortium with some other companies ) lost the bid .
So now another company ( I.T .
Co ) took it over - www.eng.it.ru/new \ _1478.html [ eng.it.ru ] , http : //www.eng.it.ru/new \ _1490.html [ eng.it.ru ] .
This is the education site for teachers about FOSS - http : //pspo.it.ru/ [ pspo.it.ru ] ( but it 's on russian ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a very old news.
About 1,5 months ago the company (Armada) which was working on the project last year (in a consortium with some other companies) lost the bid.
So now another company (I.T.
Co) took it over - www.eng.it.ru/new\_1478.html [eng.it.ru], http://www.eng.it.ru/new\_1490.html [eng.it.ru].
This is the education site for teachers about FOSS - http://pspo.it.ru/ [pspo.it.ru](but it's on russian).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30111904</id>
	<title>Re:We need free books first</title>
	<author>abarrieris5eV</author>
	<datestamp>1258305480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm horrendous at being able to accomplish big projects on my own, with no funding.</p></div><p>Pretty much everyone has that problem.  If you need some entry level physics or EE or some more advanced materials science stuff maybe I'll contribute one day.  Free education is possible, just like you say.  At the same time I'd be sad to see the brick and mortar schools go.  You can't replace being physically in the same buildings with the same labs for a lot of stuff.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm horrendous at being able to accomplish big projects on my own , with no funding.Pretty much everyone has that problem .
If you need some entry level physics or EE or some more advanced materials science stuff maybe I 'll contribute one day .
Free education is possible , just like you say .
At the same time I 'd be sad to see the brick and mortar schools go .
You ca n't replace being physically in the same buildings with the same labs for a lot of stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm horrendous at being able to accomplish big projects on my own, with no funding.Pretty much everyone has that problem.
If you need some entry level physics or EE or some more advanced materials science stuff maybe I'll contribute one day.
Free education is possible, just like you say.
At the same time I'd be sad to see the brick and mortar schools go.
You can't replace being physically in the same buildings with the same labs for a lot of stuff.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30111674</id>
	<title>Fix Once, Run anywhere, anyone?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258302720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why are these Russian computer programmers not making applications to fill the gaps. If there is a bug, why not just fix it? Its Russia, they have tremendous talent for coders. Just commit some coders to fixing bugs, then submit them back upstream to the application distributor. If I can file bug reports, so can they, but I never see them actually do it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why are these Russian computer programmers not making applications to fill the gaps .
If there is a bug , why not just fix it ?
Its Russia , they have tremendous talent for coders .
Just commit some coders to fixing bugs , then submit them back upstream to the application distributor .
If I can file bug reports , so can they , but I never see them actually do it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why are these Russian computer programmers not making applications to fill the gaps.
If there is a bug, why not just fix it?
Its Russia, they have tremendous talent for coders.
Just commit some coders to fixing bugs, then submit them back upstream to the application distributor.
If I can file bug reports, so can they, but I never see them actually do it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30111262</id>
	<title>Low'ing price in face of competition not a "trick"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258299300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Moody says:</p><p><div class="quote"><p> Finally, Microsoft has been up to its old tricks of offering special deals for its software</p></div><p>How is that a "trick"? Isn't that what competition is supposed to do--cause vendors to lower price?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Moody says : Finally , Microsoft has been up to its old tricks of offering special deals for its softwareHow is that a " trick " ?
Is n't that what competition is supposed to do--cause vendors to lower price ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Moody says: Finally, Microsoft has been up to its old tricks of offering special deals for its softwareHow is that a "trick"?
Isn't that what competition is supposed to do--cause vendors to lower price?
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30114004</id>
	<title>You're paying for Russian software</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258377240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're paying for Russian software. They are using YOUR payments at full price for windows to pay for Russian school software.</p><p>It's called dumping and it is illegal for a monopoly because you don't really have a chance to vote with your dollars and move away to something else. After all, all that windows software may not 100\% work on Wine (though when it doesn't work 100\% on windows, you just replace or accept the errors, but hey ho).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're paying for Russian software .
They are using YOUR payments at full price for windows to pay for Russian school software.It 's called dumping and it is illegal for a monopoly because you do n't really have a chance to vote with your dollars and move away to something else .
After all , all that windows software may not 100 \ % work on Wine ( though when it does n't work 100 \ % on windows , you just replace or accept the errors , but hey ho ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're paying for Russian software.
They are using YOUR payments at full price for windows to pay for Russian school software.It's called dumping and it is illegal for a monopoly because you don't really have a chance to vote with your dollars and move away to something else.
After all, all that windows software may not 100\% work on Wine (though when it doesn't work 100\% on windows, you just replace or accept the errors, but hey ho).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30112134</id>
	<title>Actually I suspect things are going very well.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258308360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Many of us were  suspicious from the start that the Russian government was never serious about  using FOSS.    Rather, it was just a ploy to get MS to drop their prices.  Now  that MS will drop prices, FOSS is becoming "too expensive" with the trite old arguments about retraining blah blah blah. Government saves face,  gets the price on MS  software they wanted, and Bill/Ballmer keep their monopoly.  Everyone wins, except, of course, the people who use the computers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Many of us were suspicious from the start that the Russian government was never serious about using FOSS .
Rather , it was just a ploy to get MS to drop their prices .
Now that MS will drop prices , FOSS is becoming " too expensive " with the trite old arguments about retraining blah blah blah .
Government saves face , gets the price on MS software they wanted , and Bill/Ballmer keep their monopoly .
Everyone wins , except , of course , the people who use the computers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many of us were  suspicious from the start that the Russian government was never serious about  using FOSS.
Rather, it was just a ploy to get MS to drop their prices.
Now  that MS will drop prices, FOSS is becoming "too expensive" with the trite old arguments about retraining blah blah blah.
Government saves face,  gets the price on MS  software they wanted, and Bill/Ballmer keep their monopoly.
Everyone wins, except, of course, the people who use the computers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30111398</id>
	<title>FOSS!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258300260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Fail!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Fail !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fail!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30111630</id>
	<title>i see a pattern...</title>
	<author>cies</author>
	<datestamp>1258302300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i get the feeling its not just microsoft being "clever" in always offering highly discounted versions as a last resort to prevent a free software takeover. it is also governments who cleverly threat to switch to free software (back up by some actual action), on which microsoft drastically cuts price.</p><p>i think the same about china for instance. they wanted to put the whole government and education system on their red flag linux. microsoft now gives them windows+office for a couple of euros (or even less i forgot) per machine.</p><p>so i suspect free software is used as a threat in order to make microsoft cut its prices. is that a problem? i think it contributes to free software's growth in the end -- but it is surely not as beneficent as the free software actually being used to run on computers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i get the feeling its not just microsoft being " clever " in always offering highly discounted versions as a last resort to prevent a free software takeover .
it is also governments who cleverly threat to switch to free software ( back up by some actual action ) , on which microsoft drastically cuts price.i think the same about china for instance .
they wanted to put the whole government and education system on their red flag linux .
microsoft now gives them windows + office for a couple of euros ( or even less i forgot ) per machine.so i suspect free software is used as a threat in order to make microsoft cut its prices .
is that a problem ?
i think it contributes to free software 's growth in the end -- but it is surely not as beneficent as the free software actually being used to run on computers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i get the feeling its not just microsoft being "clever" in always offering highly discounted versions as a last resort to prevent a free software takeover.
it is also governments who cleverly threat to switch to free software (back up by some actual action), on which microsoft drastically cuts price.i think the same about china for instance.
they wanted to put the whole government and education system on their red flag linux.
microsoft now gives them windows+office for a couple of euros (or even less i forgot) per machine.so i suspect free software is used as a threat in order to make microsoft cut its prices.
is that a problem?
i think it contributes to free software's growth in the end -- but it is surely not as beneficent as the free software actually being used to run on computers.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30116444</id>
	<title>Someone Should Tell Them</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258392120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The difference between free software and free-zing software - it was probably lost in translation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The difference between free software and free-zing software - it was probably lost in translation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The difference between free software and free-zing software - it was probably lost in translation.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30112092</id>
	<title>Re:We need free books first</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258307880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is one huge problem. Dead trees are incredibly portable, don't have an upfront cost of a few hundred dollars, don't have batteries that need recharging or that explode, and can be recycled.</p><p>Some books online are fine, search for a text book is a fine thing to have, but for the most part a computer screen is not the place I want to do any recreational reading.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is one huge problem .
Dead trees are incredibly portable , do n't have an upfront cost of a few hundred dollars , do n't have batteries that need recharging or that explode , and can be recycled.Some books online are fine , search for a text book is a fine thing to have , but for the most part a computer screen is not the place I want to do any recreational reading .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is one huge problem.
Dead trees are incredibly portable, don't have an upfront cost of a few hundred dollars, don't have batteries that need recharging or that explode, and can be recycled.Some books online are fine, search for a text book is a fine thing to have, but for the most part a computer screen is not the place I want to do any recreational reading.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30111882</id>
	<title>Sabotage?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258305120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is it impossible to imagine that MSFT paid off some people to get the free software disc fail? It's amazing how little money can buy how much in certain countries.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it impossible to imagine that MSFT paid off some people to get the free software disc fail ?
It 's amazing how little money can buy how much in certain countries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it impossible to imagine that MSFT paid off some people to get the free software disc fail?
It's amazing how little money can buy how much in certain countries.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30112018</id>
	<title>Re:Low'ing price in face of competition not a "tri</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258306920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe yes, maybe no.</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predatory\_pricing" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predatory\_pricing</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>Predatory pricing is a great example of competition at work.</p><p>PS. Can I get some of those windows licenses at that price?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe yes , maybe no.http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predatory \ _pricing [ wikipedia.org ] Predatory pricing is a great example of competition at work.PS .
Can I get some of those windows licenses at that price ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe yes, maybe no.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predatory\_pricing [wikipedia.org]Predatory pricing is a great example of competition at work.PS.
Can I get some of those windows licenses at that price?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30163068</id>
	<title>well, summing up...</title>
	<author>h00manist</author>
	<datestamp>1258624320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>if you *really* want to help oss/linux, participate in getting more software done better.  watch out for fanatic people from all sides.  just pay attention, compare, analyze.  there's lots of work to be done for OSS, no real time to be arguing over whose @#$\%!*@# is bigger.</htmltext>
<tokenext>if you * really * want to help oss/linux , participate in getting more software done better .
watch out for fanatic people from all sides .
just pay attention , compare , analyze .
there 's lots of work to be done for OSS , no real time to be arguing over whose @ # $ \ % !
* @ # is bigger .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if you *really* want to help oss/linux, participate in getting more software done better.
watch out for fanatic people from all sides.
just pay attention, compare, analyze.
there's lots of work to be done for OSS, no real time to be arguing over whose @#$\%!
*@# is bigger.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30113860</id>
	<title>Re:Low'ing price in face of competition not a "tri</title>
	<author>Stormwatch</author>
	<datestamp>1258375560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>and if I choose, voluntarily, after having tried the alternatives, to stay with IE instead of Firefox, or Windows instead of Linux, then the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. community should embrace that decision.</p></div></blockquote><p>
I can understand Windows, it has tons of software and all, and moving to a whole different system can be a lot to learn... but IE? Why would ANYONE want to stay with that ugly, sluggish, bug-ridden piece of shit?</p><blockquote><div><p>Sometimes I feel that there are people on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. who will not be satisfied until there is no OS besides Linux. Ironic, really.</p></div></blockquote><p>
Keep in mind, we're talking schools here. And indeed, I think proprietary software should be avoided in education. You're pretty much imposing your choice of tools on the kids anyway; so why not go for one that will give them FREEDOM - to use, to study, to share, to improve - rather than keep them dependent on any specific company?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>and if I choose , voluntarily , after having tried the alternatives , to stay with IE instead of Firefox , or Windows instead of Linux , then the / .
community should embrace that decision .
I can understand Windows , it has tons of software and all , and moving to a whole different system can be a lot to learn... but IE ?
Why would ANYONE want to stay with that ugly , sluggish , bug-ridden piece of shit ? Sometimes I feel that there are people on / .
who will not be satisfied until there is no OS besides Linux .
Ironic , really .
Keep in mind , we 're talking schools here .
And indeed , I think proprietary software should be avoided in education .
You 're pretty much imposing your choice of tools on the kids anyway ; so why not go for one that will give them FREEDOM - to use , to study , to share , to improve - rather than keep them dependent on any specific company ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and if I choose, voluntarily, after having tried the alternatives, to stay with IE instead of Firefox, or Windows instead of Linux, then the /.
community should embrace that decision.
I can understand Windows, it has tons of software and all, and moving to a whole different system can be a lot to learn... but IE?
Why would ANYONE want to stay with that ugly, sluggish, bug-ridden piece of shit?Sometimes I feel that there are people on /.
who will not be satisfied until there is no OS besides Linux.
Ironic, really.
Keep in mind, we're talking schools here.
And indeed, I think proprietary software should be avoided in education.
You're pretty much imposing your choice of tools on the kids anyway; so why not go for one that will give them FREEDOM - to use, to study, to share, to improve - rather than keep them dependent on any specific company?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30121004</id>
	<title>Microsoft is innocent</title>
	<author>boomman</author>
	<datestamp>1258364160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't believe Microsoft have anything to do with this.
As usual here, money that was allocated most likely was partially stolen by bureaucrats, which explains phail.
Now if there will be deal with Microsoft, it means even more budget allocation, therefore more money to steal. It is profitable to everyone except taxpayers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't believe Microsoft have anything to do with this .
As usual here , money that was allocated most likely was partially stolen by bureaucrats , which explains phail .
Now if there will be deal with Microsoft , it means even more budget allocation , therefore more money to steal .
It is profitable to everyone except taxpayers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't believe Microsoft have anything to do with this.
As usual here, money that was allocated most likely was partially stolen by bureaucrats, which explains phail.
Now if there will be deal with Microsoft, it means even more budget allocation, therefore more money to steal.
It is profitable to everyone except taxpayers.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30145216</id>
	<title>Once, I worked in Russian State Television Company</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257097560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where we ware supposed to upgrade existing computer park and automate accounting. We  spend probably one month in order to find best deal on the market, finally we got offer from Marysell, it sells computers to all Russian State organizations. The deal was really good. You think where is the trick? The trick was when they shipped them with one year delay, when prices for the staff we purchased wend down by at least 400 per unit.</p><p>I have friends in Russian Prosecutors office and they told me that they also purchase computers only from Merysell and then I learned that universities purchase them in Marysell as well. So all that speculations about Linux in Russian schools are only for the sake of getting pay backs from<br>Microsoft's Moscow office and nothing else. Russian bureaucrats don't give a shit about technologies they think only in terms of pay backs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where we ware supposed to upgrade existing computer park and automate accounting .
We spend probably one month in order to find best deal on the market , finally we got offer from Marysell , it sells computers to all Russian State organizations .
The deal was really good .
You think where is the trick ?
The trick was when they shipped them with one year delay , when prices for the staff we purchased wend down by at least 400 per unit.I have friends in Russian Prosecutors office and they told me that they also purchase computers only from Merysell and then I learned that universities purchase them in Marysell as well .
So all that speculations about Linux in Russian schools are only for the sake of getting pay backs fromMicrosoft 's Moscow office and nothing else .
Russian bureaucrats do n't give a shit about technologies they think only in terms of pay backs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where we ware supposed to upgrade existing computer park and automate accounting.
We  spend probably one month in order to find best deal on the market, finally we got offer from Marysell, it sells computers to all Russian State organizations.
The deal was really good.
You think where is the trick?
The trick was when they shipped them with one year delay, when prices for the staff we purchased wend down by at least 400 per unit.I have friends in Russian Prosecutors office and they told me that they also purchase computers only from Merysell and then I learned that universities purchase them in Marysell as well.
So all that speculations about Linux in Russian schools are only for the sake of getting pay backs fromMicrosoft's Moscow office and nothing else.
Russian bureaucrats don't give a shit about technologies they think only in terms of pay backs.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30113112</id>
	<title>We need free books? Well, no...</title>
	<author>bradley13</author>
	<datestamp>1258364760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sorry, but you are being really naive. There are two reasons free books are a silly idea:

</p><p>1. Anyone with any motivation at all can already learn whatever they want on the Internet. The information is not neatly in order, with careful examples and consistent explanations, but it's all fundamentally there.

</p><p>2. Putting information neatly in order, with careful examples and consistent explanations (i.e., writing a textbook) is a lot of work. Writing a textbook from scratch, in a field where you are an expert, takes around a year. Maybe with OSS software, you can earn your living by selling support, but just how do you propose that people earn a living by writing free books? It's not even a one-time investment: books, especially in technical fields, must be continuously updated or they quickly become useless.

</p><p>Collaborative projects like Wikpedia and Wikibooks help collect some information in the same place. However, they will never achieve the quality of a good textbook (in whatever media) written by someone who needs to pay the mortgage with the royalties. Capitalism: it works, you know...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry , but you are being really naive .
There are two reasons free books are a silly idea : 1 .
Anyone with any motivation at all can already learn whatever they want on the Internet .
The information is not neatly in order , with careful examples and consistent explanations , but it 's all fundamentally there .
2. Putting information neatly in order , with careful examples and consistent explanations ( i.e. , writing a textbook ) is a lot of work .
Writing a textbook from scratch , in a field where you are an expert , takes around a year .
Maybe with OSS software , you can earn your living by selling support , but just how do you propose that people earn a living by writing free books ?
It 's not even a one-time investment : books , especially in technical fields , must be continuously updated or they quickly become useless .
Collaborative projects like Wikpedia and Wikibooks help collect some information in the same place .
However , they will never achieve the quality of a good textbook ( in whatever media ) written by someone who needs to pay the mortgage with the royalties .
Capitalism : it works , you know.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry, but you are being really naive.
There are two reasons free books are a silly idea:

1.
Anyone with any motivation at all can already learn whatever they want on the Internet.
The information is not neatly in order, with careful examples and consistent explanations, but it's all fundamentally there.
2. Putting information neatly in order, with careful examples and consistent explanations (i.e., writing a textbook) is a lot of work.
Writing a textbook from scratch, in a field where you are an expert, takes around a year.
Maybe with OSS software, you can earn your living by selling support, but just how do you propose that people earn a living by writing free books?
It's not even a one-time investment: books, especially in technical fields, must be continuously updated or they quickly become useless.
Collaborative projects like Wikpedia and Wikibooks help collect some information in the same place.
However, they will never achieve the quality of a good textbook (in whatever media) written by someone who needs to pay the mortgage with the royalties.
Capitalism: it works, you know...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30112722</id>
	<title>Re:Low'ing price in face of competition not a "tri</title>
	<author>atheistmonk</author>
	<datestamp>1258402620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Embrace the decision.. Then extend it... Then...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Embrace the decision.. Then extend it... Then.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Embrace the decision.. Then extend it... Then...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30121824</id>
	<title>Re:Low'ing price in face of competition not a "tri</title>
	<author>AK Marc</author>
	<datestamp>1258367400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Selling at a loss in order to crush competition is not a fair choice, and it's not a legal action for them to offer that choice.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Selling at a loss in order to crush competition is not a fair choice , and it 's not a legal action for them to offer that choice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Selling at a loss in order to crush competition is not a fair choice, and it's not a legal action for them to offer that choice.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30111564</id>
	<title>Re:We need free books first</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258301700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Learning is not new. It is heavily researched and there is a lot of empirical evidence on how and when people learn. However, people are gee-whiz gung-ho about them new-fangled technologies that we seem to have bought into the implicit idea that learning something "with a computer" is somehow better than from a book... we just don't know how or why.</p><p>The politics surrounding education are fantastic and often quite unpleasant.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Learning is not new .
It is heavily researched and there is a lot of empirical evidence on how and when people learn .
However , people are gee-whiz gung-ho about them new-fangled technologies that we seem to have bought into the implicit idea that learning something " with a computer " is somehow better than from a book... we just do n't know how or why.The politics surrounding education are fantastic and often quite unpleasant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Learning is not new.
It is heavily researched and there is a lot of empirical evidence on how and when people learn.
However, people are gee-whiz gung-ho about them new-fangled technologies that we seem to have bought into the implicit idea that learning something "with a computer" is somehow better than from a book... we just don't know how or why.The politics surrounding education are fantastic and often quite unpleasant.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30111266</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30111694</id>
	<title>Solaris time!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258302960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If the problem with deploying Linux is not having enough trained professionals, why not go with Solaris? OpenSolaris is free, and Sun offers training for it. Don't know if they have russian solaris training, though. Or they could go through multiple other training sources that are available for Linux. No matter how you put it, paying for windows, no matter how low your discount is, doesn't make sense. For chrissakes - if everyone in Russia were running Linux, wouldn't that get rid of the training problems?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the problem with deploying Linux is not having enough trained professionals , why not go with Solaris ?
OpenSolaris is free , and Sun offers training for it .
Do n't know if they have russian solaris training , though .
Or they could go through multiple other training sources that are available for Linux .
No matter how you put it , paying for windows , no matter how low your discount is , does n't make sense .
For chrissakes - if everyone in Russia were running Linux , would n't that get rid of the training problems ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the problem with deploying Linux is not having enough trained professionals, why not go with Solaris?
OpenSolaris is free, and Sun offers training for it.
Don't know if they have russian solaris training, though.
Or they could go through multiple other training sources that are available for Linux.
No matter how you put it, paying for windows, no matter how low your discount is, doesn't make sense.
For chrissakes - if everyone in Russia were running Linux, wouldn't that get rid of the training problems?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30121772</id>
	<title>Re:Low'ing price in face of competition not a "tri</title>
	<author>AK Marc</author>
	<datestamp>1258367280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>How is that a "trick"? Isn't that what competition is supposed to do--cause vendors to lower price?</i> <br> <br>Nope.  Lowering prices is usually anti-competitive.  If Microsoft offered Windows 7 to everyone for the lowst price they sell to anyone and raises prices no more than inflation, then that's great.  However, low-balling to win contracts, then jacking up the pricing after the cost of switching is higher is not competitive.  Pricing so low as to be at a loss in order to crush competition is anti-competitive.  Just because the up front price is slashed does not mean that the actions are competitive.<br> <br>A free market requires informed comsumers and lack of regulatory constraints.  Microsoft sells things for different prices in different places, and relies on government regulations and uninformed consumers to prevent arbitrage.  That's not competitive.<br> <br>The "trick" is that the practice is illegal.  Selling at a loss in order to harm a competitor is an abuse of a monopoly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How is that a " trick " ?
Is n't that what competition is supposed to do--cause vendors to lower price ?
Nope. Lowering prices is usually anti-competitive .
If Microsoft offered Windows 7 to everyone for the lowst price they sell to anyone and raises prices no more than inflation , then that 's great .
However , low-balling to win contracts , then jacking up the pricing after the cost of switching is higher is not competitive .
Pricing so low as to be at a loss in order to crush competition is anti-competitive .
Just because the up front price is slashed does not mean that the actions are competitive .
A free market requires informed comsumers and lack of regulatory constraints .
Microsoft sells things for different prices in different places , and relies on government regulations and uninformed consumers to prevent arbitrage .
That 's not competitive .
The " trick " is that the practice is illegal .
Selling at a loss in order to harm a competitor is an abuse of a monopoly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is that a "trick"?
Isn't that what competition is supposed to do--cause vendors to lower price?
Nope.  Lowering prices is usually anti-competitive.
If Microsoft offered Windows 7 to everyone for the lowst price they sell to anyone and raises prices no more than inflation, then that's great.
However, low-balling to win contracts, then jacking up the pricing after the cost of switching is higher is not competitive.
Pricing so low as to be at a loss in order to crush competition is anti-competitive.
Just because the up front price is slashed does not mean that the actions are competitive.
A free market requires informed comsumers and lack of regulatory constraints.
Microsoft sells things for different prices in different places, and relies on government regulations and uninformed consumers to prevent arbitrage.
That's not competitive.
The "trick" is that the practice is illegal.
Selling at a loss in order to harm a competitor is an abuse of a monopoly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30111648</id>
	<title>Re:We need free books first</title>
	<author>Cryacin</author>
	<datestamp>1258302420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I hope that I'm not the only one who sees it because I'm horrendous at being able to accomplish big projects on my own, with no funding.</p></div><p>There are very few people in this world that can accomplish big projects, on their own, with no funding.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope that I 'm not the only one who sees it because I 'm horrendous at being able to accomplish big projects on my own , with no funding.There are very few people in this world that can accomplish big projects , on their own , with no funding .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope that I'm not the only one who sees it because I'm horrendous at being able to accomplish big projects on my own, with no funding.There are very few people in this world that can accomplish big projects, on their own, with no funding.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30111266</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30111772</id>
	<title>Re:We need free books first</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258303860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I'm currently working on a video game project I can finish in a couple months that may make me some money</p></div></blockquote><p>LOL!  So basically you are working for several months to <i>maybe</i> make a few thousand dollars... Why don't you just go get yourself a <i>real</i> part time job?</p><p>Well, I guess money isn't all that pressing of an issue if your mother doesn't charge you rent for her basement.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm currently working on a video game project I can finish in a couple months that may make me some moneyLOL !
So basically you are working for several months to maybe make a few thousand dollars... Why do n't you just go get yourself a real part time job ? Well , I guess money is n't all that pressing of an issue if your mother does n't charge you rent for her basement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm currently working on a video game project I can finish in a couple months that may make me some moneyLOL!
So basically you are working for several months to maybe make a few thousand dollars... Why don't you just go get yourself a real part time job?Well, I guess money isn't all that pressing of an issue if your mother doesn't charge you rent for her basement.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30111726</id>
	<title>Re:Low'ing price in face of competition not a "tri</title>
	<author>kiwimate</author>
	<datestamp>1258303260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh, someone please mod "Insightful". I have said on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. many times in the past that here, of all places, people should appreciate the choice...and if I choose, voluntarily, after having tried the alternatives, to stay with IE instead of Firefox, or Windows instead of Linux, then the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. community should embrace that decision. Sometimes I feel that there are people on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. who will not be satisfied until there is no OS besides Linux. Ironic, really.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , someone please mod " Insightful " .
I have said on / .
many times in the past that here , of all places , people should appreciate the choice...and if I choose , voluntarily , after having tried the alternatives , to stay with IE instead of Firefox , or Windows instead of Linux , then the / .
community should embrace that decision .
Sometimes I feel that there are people on / .
who will not be satisfied until there is no OS besides Linux .
Ironic , really .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, someone please mod "Insightful".
I have said on /.
many times in the past that here, of all places, people should appreciate the choice...and if I choose, voluntarily, after having tried the alternatives, to stay with IE instead of Firefox, or Windows instead of Linux, then the /.
community should embrace that decision.
Sometimes I feel that there are people on /.
who will not be satisfied until there is no OS besides Linux.
Ironic, really.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30111646</id>
	<title>Jeopardy</title>
	<author>Dan East</author>
	<datestamp>1258302420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Free Software For All Russian Schools In Jeopardy"</p><p>What sort of jeopardy does a Russian School have to be in to qualify to receive free software? Like academic jeopardy or financial jeopardy?  Sounds like a good idea to me!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Free Software For All Russian Schools In Jeopardy " What sort of jeopardy does a Russian School have to be in to qualify to receive free software ?
Like academic jeopardy or financial jeopardy ?
Sounds like a good idea to me !
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Free Software For All Russian Schools In Jeopardy"What sort of jeopardy does a Russian School have to be in to qualify to receive free software?
Like academic jeopardy or financial jeopardy?
Sounds like a good idea to me!
;)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30113762</id>
	<title>Lording it over</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258374540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Russia, like many modern societies, still hearkens back to the good old hierarchy popular since feudal times, with each authority lording it over the lower ranks and making offerings to the higher placed.</p><p>No Federal funds for commercial software means no software-company sponsored trips, dinners or presents of  wide-screen monitors to help better evaluate the products. No kick-backs means absolutely no support from mid-level purchasing managers. Also FOSS  denies the manager's ability to squeeze the local procurement manager for tithes of any kind: "I have two hundred copies of Win7 that I'm having trouble deciding whether to send to Omsk or to Tomsk. Yuri Ivanovich, how shall I decide?"</p><p>This is the lack of funds that matter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Russia , like many modern societies , still hearkens back to the good old hierarchy popular since feudal times , with each authority lording it over the lower ranks and making offerings to the higher placed.No Federal funds for commercial software means no software-company sponsored trips , dinners or presents of wide-screen monitors to help better evaluate the products .
No kick-backs means absolutely no support from mid-level purchasing managers .
Also FOSS denies the manager 's ability to squeeze the local procurement manager for tithes of any kind : " I have two hundred copies of Win7 that I 'm having trouble deciding whether to send to Omsk or to Tomsk .
Yuri Ivanovich , how shall I decide ?
" This is the lack of funds that matter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Russia, like many modern societies, still hearkens back to the good old hierarchy popular since feudal times, with each authority lording it over the lower ranks and making offerings to the higher placed.No Federal funds for commercial software means no software-company sponsored trips, dinners or presents of  wide-screen monitors to help better evaluate the products.
No kick-backs means absolutely no support from mid-level purchasing managers.
Also FOSS  denies the manager's ability to squeeze the local procurement manager for tithes of any kind: "I have two hundred copies of Win7 that I'm having trouble deciding whether to send to Omsk or to Tomsk.
Yuri Ivanovich, how shall I decide?
"This is the lack of funds that matter.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30114620</id>
	<title>Re:Low'ing price in face of competition not a "tri</title>
	<author>Tolkien</author>
	<datestamp>1258383360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How do you lower beyond free-as-in-speech?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How do you lower beyond free-as-in-speech ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How do you lower beyond free-as-in-speech?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30111390</id>
	<title>Get the hackers involved</title>
	<author>iamhigh</author>
	<datestamp>1258300140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Offer free use of the bandwidth from 5pm to 7am (or whatever off hours are over there) in exchange for a usable school system.  I guess if they must have a bunch of shady sites and scammers, might as well get some education out of it.<br> <br>

In Soviet Russia, spam funds school!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Offer free use of the bandwidth from 5pm to 7am ( or whatever off hours are over there ) in exchange for a usable school system .
I guess if they must have a bunch of shady sites and scammers , might as well get some education out of it .
In Soviet Russia , spam funds school !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Offer free use of the bandwidth from 5pm to 7am (or whatever off hours are over there) in exchange for a usable school system.
I guess if they must have a bunch of shady sites and scammers, might as well get some education out of it.
In Soviet Russia, spam funds school!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30112466</id>
	<title>It's really simple.</title>
	<author>blind biker</author>
	<datestamp>1258312800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Russia is a country where "money talks", and it talks in ways people in the west are not used to. And, Microsoft has a lot of it.</p><p>Corrupt officials get the cream and the people get the creampie.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Russia is a country where " money talks " , and it talks in ways people in the west are not used to .
And , Microsoft has a lot of it.Corrupt officials get the cream and the people get the creampie .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Russia is a country where "money talks", and it talks in ways people in the west are not used to.
And, Microsoft has a lot of it.Corrupt officials get the cream and the people get the creampie.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30112932</id>
	<title>In Modern-Day Russia . . .</title>
	<author>saisuman</author>
	<datestamp>1258362420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Microsoft chooses YOU!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft chooses YOU !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft chooses YOU!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30111328</id>
	<title>I'll Take Overhead for 600 Alex</title>
	<author>TheStonepedo</author>
	<datestamp>1258299720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Trebek: This state failed to consider the cost of changing software and training users.<br>Yakov Smirnoff: What is free market Russia?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Trebek : This state failed to consider the cost of changing software and training users.Yakov Smirnoff : What is free market Russia ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Trebek: This state failed to consider the cost of changing software and training users.Yakov Smirnoff: What is free market Russia?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30140698</id>
	<title>Russian point of view</title>
	<author>anjolio</author>
	<datestamp>1257106560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Nowadays we still have a lot of corruption in Russia. Everything is very easy: buying MS products requires a lot of money and nobody will notice stealing couple of million dollars, but open source software (OSS) costs nothing and stealing money becomes more complicated, so people interested in stealing makes a lot of problems for OSS introduction to schools.
So, his is not a technical problem.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nowadays we still have a lot of corruption in Russia .
Everything is very easy : buying MS products requires a lot of money and nobody will notice stealing couple of million dollars , but open source software ( OSS ) costs nothing and stealing money becomes more complicated , so people interested in stealing makes a lot of problems for OSS introduction to schools .
So , his is not a technical problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nowadays we still have a lot of corruption in Russia.
Everything is very easy: buying MS products requires a lot of money and nobody will notice stealing couple of million dollars, but open source software (OSS) costs nothing and stealing money becomes more complicated, so people interested in stealing makes a lot of problems for OSS introduction to schools.
So, his is not a technical problem.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30116518</id>
	<title>What do you mean no training for Windows?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258392480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I still don't get why people say there is no training for windows.  Shutting down a computer by pressing the "start" button isn't exactly intuitive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I still do n't get why people say there is no training for windows .
Shutting down a computer by pressing the " start " button is n't exactly intuitive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I still don't get why people say there is no training for windows.
Shutting down a computer by pressing the "start" button isn't exactly intuitive.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30111266</id>
	<title>We need free books first</title>
	<author>CrazyJim1</author>
	<datestamp>1258299360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm currently working on a video game project I can finish in a couple months that may make me some money so I can support myself and do other more ambitious projects.  The #1 project I feel that needs to be done is the freeing up of textbooks in education.  If someone doesn't offer a free textbook that is important, we should have a community that rewrites it without plagurizing, and then provide it free of charge.  The Internet should be a global library.  The old problem with distribution was printing, but that problem is solved.  Publishers like newspapers have less importance in this society.  The new problem is compensating people who provide free information, but this problem is less of a problem than restricting their information from eager minds.<br> <br>

My theory is that computers can do books better than books do books.  We can have multimedia experiences yes, but we're so new at knowing how they help people learn, we don't need to consider them at first.  We need to do books, and link a course together by the books people need to tackle to get through them.  We can have videos that train people like lectures.  We can have LOTS of redudandant passive learning eventually.  We can even have live tutors through live chat and email.  There is a definite revolution in education looming at the horizon, and I hope that I'm not the only one who sees it because I'm horrendous at being able to accomplish big projects on my own, with no funding.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm currently working on a video game project I can finish in a couple months that may make me some money so I can support myself and do other more ambitious projects .
The # 1 project I feel that needs to be done is the freeing up of textbooks in education .
If someone does n't offer a free textbook that is important , we should have a community that rewrites it without plagurizing , and then provide it free of charge .
The Internet should be a global library .
The old problem with distribution was printing , but that problem is solved .
Publishers like newspapers have less importance in this society .
The new problem is compensating people who provide free information , but this problem is less of a problem than restricting their information from eager minds .
My theory is that computers can do books better than books do books .
We can have multimedia experiences yes , but we 're so new at knowing how they help people learn , we do n't need to consider them at first .
We need to do books , and link a course together by the books people need to tackle to get through them .
We can have videos that train people like lectures .
We can have LOTS of redudandant passive learning eventually .
We can even have live tutors through live chat and email .
There is a definite revolution in education looming at the horizon , and I hope that I 'm not the only one who sees it because I 'm horrendous at being able to accomplish big projects on my own , with no funding .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm currently working on a video game project I can finish in a couple months that may make me some money so I can support myself and do other more ambitious projects.
The #1 project I feel that needs to be done is the freeing up of textbooks in education.
If someone doesn't offer a free textbook that is important, we should have a community that rewrites it without plagurizing, and then provide it free of charge.
The Internet should be a global library.
The old problem with distribution was printing, but that problem is solved.
Publishers like newspapers have less importance in this society.
The new problem is compensating people who provide free information, but this problem is less of a problem than restricting their information from eager minds.
My theory is that computers can do books better than books do books.
We can have multimedia experiences yes, but we're so new at knowing how they help people learn, we don't need to consider them at first.
We need to do books, and link a course together by the books people need to tackle to get through them.
We can have videos that train people like lectures.
We can have LOTS of redudandant passive learning eventually.
We can even have live tutors through live chat and email.
There is a definite revolution in education looming at the horizon, and I hope that I'm not the only one who sees it because I'm horrendous at being able to accomplish big projects on my own, with no funding.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30112338</id>
	<title>Free Software For The Windows OS</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1258310880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Last year, we discussed here a Russian plan to install free software in all its schools. Seems things aren't going so well. Funds for the project have been cut back, some of the free software discs already sent out were faulty</i> </p><p>There is more to FOSS than Linux.</p><p>One of the great strengths of the Windows platform is that it has always been licence-agnostic.</p><p>The system never frets or complains when you try to install an app that doesn't meet Microsoft's standards of political correctness.</p><p> The Linux distro can make you jump through a hoop or two or three before you get to that closed source app or binary driver.</p><p>Windows does like to see a signature.</p><p>Which makes perfect sense when you realize that there are thousands of independent Windows "repositories" with names like Download.com.</p><p>OLPC ran into trouble because of its "all or nothing" attidude.</p><p>The education minister was expected to buy into its bundle of hardware, software, and constructivist philosophy of education without any inconvenient doubts or questions.</p><p> When the minister took his business elsewhere there was suddenly room in OLPC for XP and MS Office.</p><p>The moral of the story being that it isn't always wise to try to take all the apple in one bite.</p><p>You can successfully introduce FOSS into the Russian classroom without trying to replace the whole of the existing Windows infrastructure at the same time.</p><p>The competition might even force you to look more closely at the quality of your open source product.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Last year , we discussed here a Russian plan to install free software in all its schools .
Seems things are n't going so well .
Funds for the project have been cut back , some of the free software discs already sent out were faulty There is more to FOSS than Linux.One of the great strengths of the Windows platform is that it has always been licence-agnostic.The system never frets or complains when you try to install an app that does n't meet Microsoft 's standards of political correctness .
The Linux distro can make you jump through a hoop or two or three before you get to that closed source app or binary driver.Windows does like to see a signature.Which makes perfect sense when you realize that there are thousands of independent Windows " repositories " with names like Download.com.OLPC ran into trouble because of its " all or nothing " attidude.The education minister was expected to buy into its bundle of hardware , software , and constructivist philosophy of education without any inconvenient doubts or questions .
When the minister took his business elsewhere there was suddenly room in OLPC for XP and MS Office.The moral of the story being that it is n't always wise to try to take all the apple in one bite.You can successfully introduce FOSS into the Russian classroom without trying to replace the whole of the existing Windows infrastructure at the same time.The competition might even force you to look more closely at the quality of your open source product .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Last year, we discussed here a Russian plan to install free software in all its schools.
Seems things aren't going so well.
Funds for the project have been cut back, some of the free software discs already sent out were faulty There is more to FOSS than Linux.One of the great strengths of the Windows platform is that it has always been licence-agnostic.The system never frets or complains when you try to install an app that doesn't meet Microsoft's standards of political correctness.
The Linux distro can make you jump through a hoop or two or three before you get to that closed source app or binary driver.Windows does like to see a signature.Which makes perfect sense when you realize that there are thousands of independent Windows "repositories" with names like Download.com.OLPC ran into trouble because of its "all or nothing" attidude.The education minister was expected to buy into its bundle of hardware, software, and constructivist philosophy of education without any inconvenient doubts or questions.
When the minister took his business elsewhere there was suddenly room in OLPC for XP and MS Office.The moral of the story being that it isn't always wise to try to take all the apple in one bite.You can successfully introduce FOSS into the Russian classroom without trying to replace the whole of the existing Windows infrastructure at the same time.The competition might even force you to look more closely at the quality of your open source product.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30113468</id>
	<title>Old news</title>
	<author>eugene2k</author>
	<datestamp>1258370160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A tender for deployment, training of school staff and tech support was already awarded to a Linux company. This happened a month ago or so. They probably won't be able to train all of the staff by the end of the year, but there really isn't much else schools can do: there won't be any federal funding for schools, so it's really either Linux or pirated software.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A tender for deployment , training of school staff and tech support was already awarded to a Linux company .
This happened a month ago or so .
They probably wo n't be able to train all of the staff by the end of the year , but there really is n't much else schools can do : there wo n't be any federal funding for schools , so it 's really either Linux or pirated software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A tender for deployment, training of school staff and tech support was already awarded to a Linux company.
This happened a month ago or so.
They probably won't be able to train all of the staff by the end of the year, but there really isn't much else schools can do: there won't be any federal funding for schools, so it's really either Linux or pirated software.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30112520</id>
	<title>Re:Solaris time!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258313580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>For chrissakes - if everyone in Russia were running Linux, wouldn't that get rid of the training problems?</p></div><p>I suppose that if you can train up <i>the entire current primary school generation</i> in the ways of FOSS/Linux, maybe you'll start to see some results.  But that's a huge challenge.  Mostly, you'd have to hope that the kids could find their way around the basic functions of a GUI in just a few clicks, without needing too much or anything pointed out to them.  And how many people can do that?  I know people who can find their ways around WinXP who wouldn't dare touch KDE 3.5.10.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>For chrissakes - if everyone in Russia were running Linux , would n't that get rid of the training problems ? I suppose that if you can train up the entire current primary school generation in the ways of FOSS/Linux , maybe you 'll start to see some results .
But that 's a huge challenge .
Mostly , you 'd have to hope that the kids could find their way around the basic functions of a GUI in just a few clicks , without needing too much or anything pointed out to them .
And how many people can do that ?
I know people who can find their ways around WinXP who would n't dare touch KDE 3.5.10 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For chrissakes - if everyone in Russia were running Linux, wouldn't that get rid of the training problems?I suppose that if you can train up the entire current primary school generation in the ways of FOSS/Linux, maybe you'll start to see some results.
But that's a huge challenge.
Mostly, you'd have to hope that the kids could find their way around the basic functions of a GUI in just a few clicks, without needing too much or anything pointed out to them.
And how many people can do that?
I know people who can find their ways around WinXP who wouldn't dare touch KDE 3.5.10.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30111862</id>
	<title>Microsoft's competitive behavior</title>
	<author>MSTCrow5429</author>
	<datestamp>1258304820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Horror of horrors, Microsoft is attempting to compete on price with free software!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Horror of horrors , Microsoft is attempting to compete on price with free software !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Horror of horrors, Microsoft is attempting to compete on price with free software!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30115588</id>
	<title>Re:We need free books first - California</title>
	<author>white\_owl</author>
	<datestamp>1258388100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We talked about the California free textbook  <a href="http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/08/13/1450220/Open-Textbooks-Win-Over-Publishers-In-CA?from=rss" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">program</a> [slashdot.org]

And there is <a href="http://creativecommons.org/tag/california-free-digital-textbook-initiative" title="creativecommons.org" rel="nofollow">some</a> [creativecommons.org] <a href="http://publius.cc/brief\_overview\_us\_public\_policy\_oer\_californias\_community\_colleges\_obama\_ad" title="publius.cc" rel="nofollow">followup</a> [publius.cc]</htmltext>
<tokenext>We talked about the California free textbook program [ slashdot.org ] And there is some [ creativecommons.org ] followup [ publius.cc ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We talked about the California free textbook  program [slashdot.org]

And there is some [creativecommons.org] followup [publius.cc]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30111348</id>
	<title>Great advertisement</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258299900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The kids get to try it at school before they download it off a torrent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The kids get to try it at school before they download it off a torrent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The kids get to try it at school before they download it off a torrent.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_15_2030203.30111264</id>
	<title>In soviet Russia</title>
	<author>Mr. Freeman</author>
	<datestamp>1258299300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>apt-gets you!</htmltext>
<tokenext>apt-gets you !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>apt-gets you!</sentencetext>
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