<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_14_184256</id>
	<title>URL Shorteners Get Some Backup</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1258194480000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://joshua.schachter.org/2009/04/on-url-shorteners.html">URL shorteners are problematical</a>, as everybody knows, but with the rise of Twitter and its ilk they seem to be a necessary part of the landscape. Some of the biggest questions around services such as bit.ly, TinyURL, and is.gd is what happens when they go out of business (<a href="http://blog.tr.im/post/159369789/tr-im-r-i-p">as tr.im did</a> last August). Now a group of such companies, organized under the auspices of the Internet Archive, has formed a non-profit entity to <a href="http://www.301works.org/">hold URL-shortening databases in escrow</a>, with the intent of continuing to resolve a member company's links should it get out of the business. At announcement, the 301Works organization has 21 URL-shortener members, including the largest, bit.ly. Many others are not (yet) on board. The members have agreed to cede control of their domain names to 301Works.org should they exit the field, and to back up their URL mappings regularly to the organization.</htmltext>
<tokenext>URL shorteners are problematical , as everybody knows , but with the rise of Twitter and its ilk they seem to be a necessary part of the landscape .
Some of the biggest questions around services such as bit.ly , TinyURL , and is.gd is what happens when they go out of business ( as tr.im did last August ) .
Now a group of such companies , organized under the auspices of the Internet Archive , has formed a non-profit entity to hold URL-shortening databases in escrow , with the intent of continuing to resolve a member company 's links should it get out of the business .
At announcement , the 301Works organization has 21 URL-shortener members , including the largest , bit.ly .
Many others are not ( yet ) on board .
The members have agreed to cede control of their domain names to 301Works.org should they exit the field , and to back up their URL mappings regularly to the organization .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>URL shorteners are problematical, as everybody knows, but with the rise of Twitter and its ilk they seem to be a necessary part of the landscape.
Some of the biggest questions around services such as bit.ly, TinyURL, and is.gd is what happens when they go out of business (as tr.im did last August).
Now a group of such companies, organized under the auspices of the Internet Archive, has formed a non-profit entity to hold URL-shortening databases in escrow, with the intent of continuing to resolve a member company's links should it get out of the business.
At announcement, the 301Works organization has 21 URL-shortener members, including the largest, bit.ly.
Many others are not (yet) on board.
The members have agreed to cede control of their domain names to 301Works.org should they exit the field, and to back up their URL mappings regularly to the organization.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101790</id>
	<title>Re:How does one go out of business...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258200840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You realize that cleaning out the links that haven't been clicked in X amount of days is exactly what is *wrong* with those services, right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You realize that cleaning out the links that have n't been clicked in X amount of days is exactly what is * wrong * with those services , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You realize that cleaning out the links that haven't been clicked in X amount of days is exactly what is *wrong* with those services, right?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101576</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30103936</id>
	<title>Re:Am I the only one who remembers what I read her</title>
	<author>godrik</author>
	<datestamp>1258222020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think the article you cite criticize the use of ridiculously long url such as <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=slashdot&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;aq=t&amp;rls=org.debian:en-US:unofficial&amp;client=iceweasel-a" title="google.com">http://www.google.com/search?q=slashdot&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;aq=t&amp;rls=org.debian:en-US:unofficial&amp;client=iceweasel-a</a> [google.com] which is not even that bad. If you want short URL to save bandwidth you can change the URL for the one you manage  and run a short url service yourself for the one you do not manage.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the article you cite criticize the use of ridiculously long url such as http : //www.google.com/search ? q = slashdot&amp;ie = utf-8&amp;oe = utf-8&amp;aq = t&amp;rls = org.debian : en-US : unofficial&amp;client = iceweasel-a [ google.com ] which is not even that bad .
If you want short URL to save bandwidth you can change the URL for the one you manage and run a short url service yourself for the one you do not manage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the article you cite criticize the use of ridiculously long url such as http://www.google.com/search?q=slashdot&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;aq=t&amp;rls=org.debian:en-US:unofficial&amp;client=iceweasel-a [google.com] which is not even that bad.
If you want short URL to save bandwidth you can change the URL for the one you manage  and run a short url service yourself for the one you do not manage.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30102986</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101452</id>
	<title>Wish these services would just go away already</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258198380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They inevitably generate link rot.</p><p>A governing body should not have to step up to preserve these databases.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They inevitably generate link rot.A governing body should not have to step up to preserve these databases .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They inevitably generate link rot.A governing body should not have to step up to preserve these databases.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30103912</id>
	<title>Windows Me and 1 Million Page Views a Month</title>
	<author>KalvinB</author>
	<datestamp>1258221600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Years ago I ran a web server off a home connection using Windows Me and Apache.</p><p>I logged over 1 million page views in a month.</p><p>As someone else mentioned, it's (possibly) all the click tracking and storing of links perpetually which will eat up database space which results is lower response time without more or better hardware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Years ago I ran a web server off a home connection using Windows Me and Apache.I logged over 1 million page views in a month.As someone else mentioned , it 's ( possibly ) all the click tracking and storing of links perpetually which will eat up database space which results is lower response time without more or better hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Years ago I ran a web server off a home connection using Windows Me and Apache.I logged over 1 million page views in a month.As someone else mentioned, it's (possibly) all the click tracking and storing of links perpetually which will eat up database space which results is lower response time without more or better hardware.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30102422</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101748</id>
	<title>Re:Will it really</title>
	<author>ldbapp</author>
	<datestamp>1258200600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The creditors don't have any claims now, so the company can do whatever it wants.  The terms of the arrangement will dictate what happens if the company goes under.  If the arrangement effectively cedes control of the domain name (in practice or in fact), then the domain name was a priori not a valuable asset.  If someone is a creditor now, and they don't like that, they should get out while the gettin' is good.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The creditors do n't have any claims now , so the company can do whatever it wants .
The terms of the arrangement will dictate what happens if the company goes under .
If the arrangement effectively cedes control of the domain name ( in practice or in fact ) , then the domain name was a priori not a valuable asset .
If someone is a creditor now , and they do n't like that , they should get out while the gettin ' is good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The creditors don't have any claims now, so the company can do whatever it wants.
The terms of the arrangement will dictate what happens if the company goes under.
If the arrangement effectively cedes control of the domain name (in practice or in fact), then the domain name was a priori not a valuable asset.
If someone is a creditor now, and they don't like that, they should get out while the gettin' is good.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101562</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30103436</id>
	<title>Re:Who wants 'em?</title>
	<author>thePowerOfGrayskull</author>
	<datestamp>1258217340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>because the only reason <i>that I can think of</i> to use an URL shortener is to conceal what you're actually linking to.</p></div><p>FTFY.  There are a lot of situations in which it's simply easier to use a short URL - the simplest example that comes to mind is when there's a URL you have to type manually or recite by voice - in both cases a short URL is much easier to understand and use.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>because the only reason that I can think of to use an URL shortener is to conceal what you 're actually linking to.FTFY .
There are a lot of situations in which it 's simply easier to use a short URL - the simplest example that comes to mind is when there 's a URL you have to type manually or recite by voice - in both cases a short URL is much easier to understand and use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>because the only reason that I can think of to use an URL shortener is to conceal what you're actually linking to.FTFY.
There are a lot of situations in which it's simply easier to use a short URL - the simplest example that comes to mind is when there's a URL you have to type manually or recite by voice - in both cases a short URL is much easier to understand and use.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101682</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101592</id>
	<title>Necessary why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258199280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>but with the rise of Twitter and its ilk they seem to be a necessary part of the landscape.</p></div><p>The fact that a website based on the horridly outdated USA SMS system needs URL shorteners does not convince me for a second that they're a necessary part of the landscape.  Everywhere else on the internet, a few bytes aren't an issue and we can copy+paste long links anyway.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>but with the rise of Twitter and its ilk they seem to be a necessary part of the landscape.The fact that a website based on the horridly outdated USA SMS system needs URL shorteners does not convince me for a second that they 're a necessary part of the landscape .
Everywhere else on the internet , a few bytes are n't an issue and we can copy + paste long links anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but with the rise of Twitter and its ilk they seem to be a necessary part of the landscape.The fact that a website based on the horridly outdated USA SMS system needs URL shorteners does not convince me for a second that they're a necessary part of the landscape.
Everywhere else on the internet, a few bytes aren't an issue and we can copy+paste long links anyway.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101682</id>
	<title>Who wants 'em?</title>
	<author>PCM2</author>
	<datestamp>1258200120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>URL shorteners are a scourge. As someone else pointed out, they're only really useful for Twitter, with its artificial post-length constraint. Anyone who links to a tinyurl on an actual Web site (such as Slashdot) should automatically be assumed to be a troll, because the only reason to use an URL shortener is to conceal what you're actually linking to.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>URL shorteners are a scourge .
As someone else pointed out , they 're only really useful for Twitter , with its artificial post-length constraint .
Anyone who links to a tinyurl on an actual Web site ( such as Slashdot ) should automatically be assumed to be a troll , because the only reason to use an URL shortener is to conceal what you 're actually linking to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>URL shorteners are a scourge.
As someone else pointed out, they're only really useful for Twitter, with its artificial post-length constraint.
Anyone who links to a tinyurl on an actual Web site (such as Slashdot) should automatically be assumed to be a troll, because the only reason to use an URL shortener is to conceal what you're actually linking to.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30104002</id>
	<title>Re:Shouldn't exist anyway; that's what URNs are fo</title>
	<author>skeeto</author>
	<datestamp>1258222860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd like to see that shortener database stored as a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed\_hash\_table" title="wikipedia.org">distributed hash table</a> [wikipedia.org], and clients can either query it directly by joining the DHT or, as you said, use a service that exposes an simple API that queries DHT.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd like to see that shortener database stored as a distributed hash table [ wikipedia.org ] , and clients can either query it directly by joining the DHT or , as you said , use a service that exposes an simple API that queries DHT .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd like to see that shortener database stored as a distributed hash table [wikipedia.org], and clients can either query it directly by joining the DHT or, as you said, use a service that exposes an simple API that queries DHT.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101878</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30102558</id>
	<title>Re:Problematical</title>
	<author>aynoknman</author>
	<datestamp>1258206900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>URL shorteners are<b> problematical</b>, as everybody knows, but with the rise of Twitter and its ilk they seem to be a necessary part of the landscape.</p></div><p>Seriously?? I know editors frequently get grief for this sort of thing, but <i>come on</i>... the word is <b>problematicalic,</b> for crying out loud.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></div><p>The proper word is problematicalistic</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>URL shorteners are problematical , as everybody knows , but with the rise of Twitter and its ilk they seem to be a necessary part of the landscape.Seriously ? ?
I know editors frequently get grief for this sort of thing , but come on... the word is problematicalic , for crying out loud .
; ) The proper word is problematicalistic</tokentext>
<sentencetext>URL shorteners are problematical, as everybody knows, but with the rise of Twitter and its ilk they seem to be a necessary part of the landscape.Seriously??
I know editors frequently get grief for this sort of thing, but come on... the word is problematicalic, for crying out loud.
;)The proper word is problematicalistic
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101446</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101582</id>
	<title>Re:Wish these services would just go away already</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258199220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>A governing body should not have to step up to preserve these databases.</p></div><p>Wtf? There <i>is</i> an unbelievably simple way to deal with this. Make the <i>URL</i> shorter, not the link it points to.</p><p>"http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/11/14/184256/URL-Shorteners-Get-Some-Backup?art\_pos=1" could become</p><p>"tech.slashdot.org/story/..."</p><p>in the text, but with keeping the long link it points to, so you can still see it when you hover the mouse over it. This is what StackOverflow does in the comments, and it works perfectly.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>A governing body should not have to step up to preserve these databases.Wtf ?
There is an unbelievably simple way to deal with this .
Make the URL shorter , not the link it points to .
" http : //tech.slashdot.org/story/09/11/14/184256/URL-Shorteners-Get-Some-Backup ? art \ _pos = 1 " could become " tech.slashdot.org/story/... " in the text , but with keeping the long link it points to , so you can still see it when you hover the mouse over it .
This is what StackOverflow does in the comments , and it works perfectly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A governing body should not have to step up to preserve these databases.Wtf?
There is an unbelievably simple way to deal with this.
Make the URL shorter, not the link it points to.
"http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/11/14/184256/URL-Shorteners-Get-Some-Backup?art\_pos=1" could become"tech.slashdot.org/story/..."in the text, but with keeping the long link it points to, so you can still see it when you hover the mouse over it.
This is what StackOverflow does in the comments, and it works perfectly.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101452</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101728</id>
	<title>Re:How does one go out of business...</title>
	<author>martin-boundary</author>
	<datestamp>1258200420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's no reason at all why someone should be running a site for this "service".
<p>
The correct way to do this should be an RFC which would define a standard URL shortening function that can be implemented by all the browsers. Such a shortening function has to be like a hash, but easily reversible. There's certainly no need for a database or list of URLs or a cron script.
</p><p>
Moreover, when the browser can decode the shortened URL, it won't burden the network with all those useless lookups.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's no reason at all why someone should be running a site for this " service " .
The correct way to do this should be an RFC which would define a standard URL shortening function that can be implemented by all the browsers .
Such a shortening function has to be like a hash , but easily reversible .
There 's certainly no need for a database or list of URLs or a cron script .
Moreover , when the browser can decode the shortened URL , it wo n't burden the network with all those useless lookups .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's no reason at all why someone should be running a site for this "service".
The correct way to do this should be an RFC which would define a standard URL shortening function that can be implemented by all the browsers.
Such a shortening function has to be like a hash, but easily reversible.
There's certainly no need for a database or list of URLs or a cron script.
Moreover, when the browser can decode the shortened URL, it won't burden the network with all those useless lookups.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101576</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30102474</id>
	<title>Re:Who wants 'em?</title>
	<author>MichaelSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1258206240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They are handy in<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. signature blocks, which also have an artificial limit on length.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They are handy in / .
signature blocks , which also have an artificial limit on length .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are handy in /.
signature blocks, which also have an artificial limit on length.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101682</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101902</id>
	<title>Re:How does one go out of business...</title>
	<author>TheUni</author>
	<datestamp>1258201740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It doesn't solve the problem, but on your own stuff you can just do it yourself. We just do a simple redirect, and get the benefit of tagging an analytics campaign as well.</p><p>Example: <a href="http://xbmc.org/3015" title="xbmc.org" rel="nofollow">http://xbmc.org/3015</a> [xbmc.org]</p><p>TheUni</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It does n't solve the problem , but on your own stuff you can just do it yourself .
We just do a simple redirect , and get the benefit of tagging an analytics campaign as well.Example : http : //xbmc.org/3015 [ xbmc.org ] TheUni</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It doesn't solve the problem, but on your own stuff you can just do it yourself.
We just do a simple redirect, and get the benefit of tagging an analytics campaign as well.Example: http://xbmc.org/3015 [xbmc.org]TheUni</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101728</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101948</id>
	<title>So?</title>
	<author>dtml-try MyNick</author>
	<datestamp>1258202040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Now, I may be missing something here...<br><br>But can someone enlighten me why it would be "problematic" if such a service would go out of business?<br><br>All they do is redirect to the original url. So where is the loss?<br>The original url is still there. If no one is able to find it without using the shortened url chances are pretty big it isn't much interresting anyway.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now , I may be missing something here...But can someone enlighten me why it would be " problematic " if such a service would go out of business ? All they do is redirect to the original url .
So where is the loss ? The original url is still there .
If no one is able to find it without using the shortened url chances are pretty big it is n't much interresting anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now, I may be missing something here...But can someone enlighten me why it would be "problematic" if such a service would go out of business?All they do is redirect to the original url.
So where is the loss?The original url is still there.
If no one is able to find it without using the shortened url chances are pretty big it isn't much interresting anyway.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101816</id>
	<title>Re:Who wants 'em?</title>
	<author>Afforess</author>
	<datestamp>1258201020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I find bit.ly very useful when I link to a download of some mod or custom content for a game. Adding a "+" symbol in front of the URL easily lets me know how many people have downloaded it, and what countries they were from, which is fairly useful information.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I find bit.ly very useful when I link to a download of some mod or custom content for a game .
Adding a " + " symbol in front of the URL easily lets me know how many people have downloaded it , and what countries they were from , which is fairly useful information .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I find bit.ly very useful when I link to a download of some mod or custom content for a game.
Adding a "+" symbol in front of the URL easily lets me know how many people have downloaded it, and what countries they were from, which is fairly useful information.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101682</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30102060</id>
	<title>But who catches them?</title>
	<author>nielsm</author>
	<datestamp>1258202760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But then what happens when 301Works dies?</htmltext>
<tokenext>But then what happens when 301Works dies ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But then what happens when 301Works dies?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30102800</id>
	<title>Re:Why bother?</title>
	<author>sopssa</author>
	<datestamp>1258209360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Only time I use url shortening services is when I need to paste a url with cyrillic or non-ascii characters and the program or website doesn't support them. For example Steam breaks the link and cant show characters, so you have a non-working link. Same thing here on Slashdot. For that kind of thing it works ok.</p><p>(tho arguably programs/websites should just fix their goddamn utf-8 support)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Only time I use url shortening services is when I need to paste a url with cyrillic or non-ascii characters and the program or website does n't support them .
For example Steam breaks the link and cant show characters , so you have a non-working link .
Same thing here on Slashdot .
For that kind of thing it works ok. ( tho arguably programs/websites should just fix their goddamn utf-8 support )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only time I use url shortening services is when I need to paste a url with cyrillic or non-ascii characters and the program or website doesn't support them.
For example Steam breaks the link and cant show characters, so you have a non-working link.
Same thing here on Slashdot.
For that kind of thing it works ok.(tho arguably programs/websites should just fix their goddamn utf-8 support)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101542</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30102314</id>
	<title>Re:Will it really</title>
	<author>mysidia</author>
	<datestamp>1258204860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Unless they are going bankrupt already, or
the creditors have a secured debt, and the domain name is the collateral/security for that debt,
</p><p>
If they don't, then 301works' claim to the domain would be a <b>prior claim</b>, since they have secured an agreement that requires the URL shortening service to continue working, and a specific asset is named in securing that agreement is the domain name.
</p><p>
In other words: it depends on the terms of the agreement with 301works.
</p><p>
In a bankruptcy preceding, the party with the prior claim is normally the one they signed an agreement to deliver the asset to.
</p><p>
For example: if I buy something from an online retailer or mail order catalog, and they enter into bankruptcy after they received my payment for the item, but before they shipped the product...  their creditors'  don't get to repossess the item I have purchased,  my claim comes before theirs, since my payment to purchase the item is a prior claim that I have.
</p><p>
And they have to send me the item, or a refund <b>before</b> they pay other creditors whose debts they defaulted on after my claim was raised.
</p><p>
The key difference:  creditors that have a claim to a specific prior claim to a certain asset are at an advantage to the ones that don't.
</p><p>
Since specific cash to pay for the item in exchange for a certain service was provided by me,  I have the prior claim to that cash.
</p><p>
Banks and investors that provided unsecured loans, or weren't a trading partner, have to wait in line, according to the priority of creditors.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unless they are going bankrupt already , or the creditors have a secured debt , and the domain name is the collateral/security for that debt , If they do n't , then 301works ' claim to the domain would be a prior claim , since they have secured an agreement that requires the URL shortening service to continue working , and a specific asset is named in securing that agreement is the domain name .
In other words : it depends on the terms of the agreement with 301works .
In a bankruptcy preceding , the party with the prior claim is normally the one they signed an agreement to deliver the asset to .
For example : if I buy something from an online retailer or mail order catalog , and they enter into bankruptcy after they received my payment for the item , but before they shipped the product... their creditors ' do n't get to repossess the item I have purchased , my claim comes before theirs , since my payment to purchase the item is a prior claim that I have .
And they have to send me the item , or a refund before they pay other creditors whose debts they defaulted on after my claim was raised .
The key difference : creditors that have a claim to a specific prior claim to a certain asset are at an advantage to the ones that do n't .
Since specific cash to pay for the item in exchange for a certain service was provided by me , I have the prior claim to that cash .
Banks and investors that provided unsecured loans , or were n't a trading partner , have to wait in line , according to the priority of creditors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Unless they are going bankrupt already, or
the creditors have a secured debt, and the domain name is the collateral/security for that debt,

If they don't, then 301works' claim to the domain would be a prior claim, since they have secured an agreement that requires the URL shortening service to continue working, and a specific asset is named in securing that agreement is the domain name.
In other words: it depends on the terms of the agreement with 301works.
In a bankruptcy preceding, the party with the prior claim is normally the one they signed an agreement to deliver the asset to.
For example: if I buy something from an online retailer or mail order catalog, and they enter into bankruptcy after they received my payment for the item, but before they shipped the product...  their creditors'  don't get to repossess the item I have purchased,  my claim comes before theirs, since my payment to purchase the item is a prior claim that I have.
And they have to send me the item, or a refund before they pay other creditors whose debts they defaulted on after my claim was raised.
The key difference:  creditors that have a claim to a specific prior claim to a certain asset are at an advantage to the ones that don't.
Since specific cash to pay for the item in exchange for a certain service was provided by me,  I have the prior claim to that cash.
Banks and investors that provided unsecured loans, or weren't a trading partner, have to wait in line, according to the priority of creditors.
</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101562</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30103246</id>
	<title>If you want to have a warm winter,</title>
	<author>coolforsale132</author>
	<datestamp>1258215180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.coolforsale.com/" title="coolforsale.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.coolforsale.com/</a> [coolforsale.com] Best quality, Best reputation , Best services Our commitment, customer is God. Quality is our Dignity; Service is our Lift. Ladies and Gentlemen weicome to my coolforsale.com.Here,there are the most fashion products . Pass by but don't miss it.Select your favorite clothing! Welcome to come next time ! Thank you! Air jordan(1-24)shoes $33 Nike shox(R4,NZ,OZ,TL1,TL2,TL3) $35 Handbags(Coach lv fendi d&amp;g) $35 Tshirts (Polo<nobr> <wbr></nobr>,ed hardy,lacoste) $16 free shipping competitive price any size available accept the paypal Thanks</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.coolforsale.com/ [ coolforsale.com ] Best quality , Best reputation , Best services Our commitment , customer is God .
Quality is our Dignity ; Service is our Lift .
Ladies and Gentlemen weicome to my coolforsale.com.Here,there are the most fashion products .
Pass by but do n't miss it.Select your favorite clothing !
Welcome to come next time !
Thank you !
Air jordan ( 1-24 ) shoes $ 33 Nike shox ( R4,NZ,OZ,TL1,TL2,TL3 ) $ 35 Handbags ( Coach lv fendi d&amp;g ) $ 35 Tshirts ( Polo ,ed hardy,lacoste ) $ 16 free shipping competitive price any size available accept the paypal Thanks</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.coolforsale.com/ [coolforsale.com] Best quality, Best reputation , Best services Our commitment, customer is God.
Quality is our Dignity; Service is our Lift.
Ladies and Gentlemen weicome to my coolforsale.com.Here,there are the most fashion products .
Pass by but don't miss it.Select your favorite clothing!
Welcome to come next time !
Thank you!
Air jordan(1-24)shoes $33 Nike shox(R4,NZ,OZ,TL1,TL2,TL3) $35 Handbags(Coach lv fendi d&amp;g) $35 Tshirts (Polo ,ed hardy,lacoste) $16 free shipping competitive price any size available accept the paypal Thanks</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30104224</id>
	<title>Re:Slashdot comment shortener</title>
	<author>troll8901</author>
	<datestamp>1258225320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>qkd2f</p></div><p>Googling for this turns up "Principles of Time Delayed Feedback Control".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>qkd2fGoogling for this turns up " Principles of Time Delayed Feedback Control " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>qkd2fGoogling for this turns up "Principles of Time Delayed Feedback Control".
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101570</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30102190</id>
	<title>Why do these services need backing up?</title>
	<author>drsparkly</author>
	<datestamp>1258203720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From what I see they are just for transient things such as Twitter or blog posts - why would someone permanently link using one of these services?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From what I see they are just for transient things such as Twitter or blog posts - why would someone permanently link using one of these services ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From what I see they are just for transient things such as Twitter or blog posts - why would someone permanently link using one of these services?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30102756</id>
	<title>Re:This will never work</title>
	<author>commodore64\_love</author>
	<datestamp>1258208820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Longest name for a website?</p><p><a href="http://www.gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooogle.com/" title="gooooooooo...ooogle.com">http://www.gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooogle.com/</a> [gooooooooo...ooogle.com]</p><p>Or? <a href="http://llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch.co.uk/" title="llanfairpw...goch.co.uk">http://llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch.co.uk/</a> [llanfairpw...goch.co.uk]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Longest name for a website ? http : //www.gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooogle.com/ [ gooooooooo...ooogle.com ] Or ?
http : //llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch.co.uk/ [ llanfairpw...goch.co.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Longest name for a website?http://www.gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooogle.com/ [gooooooooo...ooogle.com]Or?
http://llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch.co.uk/ [llanfairpw...goch.co.uk]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101470</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30102338</id>
	<title>Re:Wish these services would just go away already</title>
	<author>palegray.net</author>
	<datestamp>1258205100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The entire point of archival services like 301Works is to <b>prevent</b> link rot. From the article:<p><div class="quote"><p>Participating companies will provide regular backups of their URL mappings to the 301Works.org service.  In the event of the closure of a participating organization, technical control of the shortening service domain will be transferred to 301Works.org in order to continue redirecting existing shortened URLs to their intended destinations.</p></div><p>Proper handling of the final destination of these links is the responsibility of webmasters operating the targeted sites. Competent operators use HTTP redirection to correctly handle outdated inbound links. Failure to do so in the case of shortened URLs causes no additional problems beyond those caused by people attempting to use the original links.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The entire point of archival services like 301Works is to prevent link rot .
From the article : Participating companies will provide regular backups of their URL mappings to the 301Works.org service .
In the event of the closure of a participating organization , technical control of the shortening service domain will be transferred to 301Works.org in order to continue redirecting existing shortened URLs to their intended destinations.Proper handling of the final destination of these links is the responsibility of webmasters operating the targeted sites .
Competent operators use HTTP redirection to correctly handle outdated inbound links .
Failure to do so in the case of shortened URLs causes no additional problems beyond those caused by people attempting to use the original links .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The entire point of archival services like 301Works is to prevent link rot.
From the article:Participating companies will provide regular backups of their URL mappings to the 301Works.org service.
In the event of the closure of a participating organization, technical control of the shortening service domain will be transferred to 301Works.org in order to continue redirecting existing shortened URLs to their intended destinations.Proper handling of the final destination of these links is the responsibility of webmasters operating the targeted sites.
Competent operators use HTTP redirection to correctly handle outdated inbound links.
Failure to do so in the case of shortened URLs causes no additional problems beyond those caused by people attempting to use the original links.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101452</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30102032</id>
	<title>bit.ly</title>
	<author>palpatine</author>
	<datestamp>1258202580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does anyone else find it odd that the White House's twitter page uses bit.ly urls when<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.ly is the top-level domain code for Libya?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does anyone else find it odd that the White House 's twitter page uses bit.ly urls when .ly is the top-level domain code for Libya ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does anyone else find it odd that the White House's twitter page uses bit.ly urls when .ly is the top-level domain code for Libya?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30105526</id>
	<title>Re:THIS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS</title>
	<author>Larryish</author>
	<datestamp>1258297980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sears sells bosons, they carry the Edmund Higg-ery line.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sears sells bosons , they carry the Edmund Higg-ery line .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sears sells bosons, they carry the Edmund Higg-ery line.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30102872</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30105916</id>
	<title>Re:Will it really</title>
	<author>stoweboyd</author>
	<datestamp>1258303680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, we are asking participating companies to agree to transfer control of their domain if and only if they shut down the service, but not necessarily transfer ownership of the domain. We are also aware that we may have circumstances where a company is shutting down a service and may subsequently transfer ownership of the domain to another group, for other (non-URL shortening purposes). In such a case, automatic redirection won't work, and those who have short URLs would have to request the mapped long URL manually.

- Stowe Boyd, 301works.org director</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , we are asking participating companies to agree to transfer control of their domain if and only if they shut down the service , but not necessarily transfer ownership of the domain .
We are also aware that we may have circumstances where a company is shutting down a service and may subsequently transfer ownership of the domain to another group , for other ( non-URL shortening purposes ) .
In such a case , automatic redirection wo n't work , and those who have short URLs would have to request the mapped long URL manually .
- Stowe Boyd , 301works.org director</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, we are asking participating companies to agree to transfer control of their domain if and only if they shut down the service, but not necessarily transfer ownership of the domain.
We are also aware that we may have circumstances where a company is shutting down a service and may subsequently transfer ownership of the domain to another group, for other (non-URL shortening purposes).
In such a case, automatic redirection won't work, and those who have short URLs would have to request the mapped long URL manually.
- Stowe Boyd, 301works.org director</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101562</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101482</id>
	<title>THIS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258198560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sorry, I mean srs bsns.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry , I mean srs bsns .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry, I mean srs bsns.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30102000</id>
	<title>Re:Who wants 'em?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258202400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Considering that sending messages from A to B was and still is possible without Twitter, I'd say that means that url-shorteners serve no purpose at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Considering that sending messages from A to B was and still is possible without Twitter , I 'd say that means that url-shorteners serve no purpose at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Considering that sending messages from A to B was and still is possible without Twitter, I'd say that means that url-shorteners serve no purpose at all.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101682</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30102986</id>
	<title>Am I the only one who remembers what I read here?</title>
	<author>bornagainpenguin</author>
	<datestamp>1258211820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Slashdot covered the benefits of using url-shorteners to reduce bandwidth waste only last March!  Everyone is so eager to prove how sophisticated they are and toss hate on an admittedly stupid fad (twitter) that they're prepared to pretend there are absolutely no benefits to using the types of services talked about in the article.  I thought this was supposed to be a geek site, not some silly MMORPG where the only thing that counts is how high your comments get rated?<br>
<br>
Remember <a href="http://www.o3magazine.com/4/a/0/1.html" title="o3magazine.com">this</a> [o3magazine.com]?<br>
<br>
There's a reason why people use url-shorteners, and that reason is because they have a benefit to their use!  Many of the more savvy tech sites have begun using them internally to save that '<a href="http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/03/27/2017250/Are-Long-URLs-Wasting-Bandwidth" title="slashdot.org">as much as 75MBit/sec of bandwidth</a> [slashdot.org]' mentioned in the Slashdot headline.  If there is a group getting together to ensure this usage can continue to live on even after the death of the individual services, so much the better!  This should be seen as good news...<br>
<br>
Instead you half-wits decided to forsake any semblance of geek cred you may have had to whine about Twitter...  stuff like this and I wonder why I even come here any more!<br>
<br>
--bornagainpenguin</htmltext>
<tokenext>Slashdot covered the benefits of using url-shorteners to reduce bandwidth waste only last March !
Everyone is so eager to prove how sophisticated they are and toss hate on an admittedly stupid fad ( twitter ) that they 're prepared to pretend there are absolutely no benefits to using the types of services talked about in the article .
I thought this was supposed to be a geek site , not some silly MMORPG where the only thing that counts is how high your comments get rated ?
Remember this [ o3magazine.com ] ?
There 's a reason why people use url-shorteners , and that reason is because they have a benefit to their use !
Many of the more savvy tech sites have begun using them internally to save that 'as much as 75MBit/sec of bandwidth [ slashdot.org ] ' mentioned in the Slashdot headline .
If there is a group getting together to ensure this usage can continue to live on even after the death of the individual services , so much the better !
This should be seen as good news.. . Instead you half-wits decided to forsake any semblance of geek cred you may have had to whine about Twitter... stuff like this and I wonder why I even come here any more !
--bornagainpenguin</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Slashdot covered the benefits of using url-shorteners to reduce bandwidth waste only last March!
Everyone is so eager to prove how sophisticated they are and toss hate on an admittedly stupid fad (twitter) that they're prepared to pretend there are absolutely no benefits to using the types of services talked about in the article.
I thought this was supposed to be a geek site, not some silly MMORPG where the only thing that counts is how high your comments get rated?
Remember this [o3magazine.com]?
There's a reason why people use url-shorteners, and that reason is because they have a benefit to their use!
Many of the more savvy tech sites have begun using them internally to save that 'as much as 75MBit/sec of bandwidth [slashdot.org]' mentioned in the Slashdot headline.
If there is a group getting together to ensure this usage can continue to live on even after the death of the individual services, so much the better!
This should be seen as good news...

Instead you half-wits decided to forsake any semblance of geek cred you may have had to whine about Twitter...  stuff like this and I wonder why I even come here any more!
--bornagainpenguin</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30103466</id>
	<title>Re:Shouldn't exist anyway; that's what URNs are fo</title>
	<author>thePowerOfGrayskull</author>
	<datestamp>1258217520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>These private URL shortening sites shouldn't exist anyway. They're just a hack to support long urls on mediums that can't handle proper html-style linked text (aka hypertext). Those mediums are buggy should be upgraded (if only by footnote style guidelines).</p></div><p>Could you clarify this?  How does what you're suggesting help me read a long URL over the phone?  Or type one from memory? Or paste one into an IM or IRC chat window?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>These private URL shortening sites should n't exist anyway .
They 're just a hack to support long urls on mediums that ca n't handle proper html-style linked text ( aka hypertext ) .
Those mediums are buggy should be upgraded ( if only by footnote style guidelines ) .Could you clarify this ?
How does what you 're suggesting help me read a long URL over the phone ?
Or type one from memory ?
Or paste one into an IM or IRC chat window ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These private URL shortening sites shouldn't exist anyway.
They're just a hack to support long urls on mediums that can't handle proper html-style linked text (aka hypertext).
Those mediums are buggy should be upgraded (if only by footnote style guidelines).Could you clarify this?
How does what you're suggesting help me read a long URL over the phone?
Or type one from memory?
Or paste one into an IM or IRC chat window?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101878</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30103342</id>
	<title>tr.im</title>
	<author>supersloshy</author>
	<datestamp>1258216500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some of the biggest questions around services shch as bit.ly, TinyURL, and is.gd is what happens when they go out of business (as tr.im did [CC] last August).</p><p>Yeah, it's out of business, but now it's open-source and not-for-profit (IIRC). I use tr.im a lot and it works just as good, if not better, than any other URL shortener I've used even.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some of the biggest questions around services shch as bit.ly , TinyURL , and is.gd is what happens when they go out of business ( as tr.im did [ CC ] last August ) .Yeah , it 's out of business , but now it 's open-source and not-for-profit ( IIRC ) .
I use tr.im a lot and it works just as good , if not better , than any other URL shortener I 've used even .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some of the biggest questions around services shch as bit.ly, TinyURL, and is.gd is what happens when they go out of business (as tr.im did [CC] last August).Yeah, it's out of business, but now it's open-source and not-for-profit (IIRC).
I use tr.im a lot and it works just as good, if not better, than any other URL shortener I've used even.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101576</id>
	<title>How does one go out of business...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258199220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>running these things?</p><p>$6.99 a year for the domain with free standard hosting from GoDaddy and you're set.</p><p>It's not like it's a particularly difficult task to create and run these types of sites.  With a simple cron script to clear out links which haven't been clicked in X amount of days you won't even have to worry about your DB ballooning out of control.</p><p>Throw up Google AdSense on the user facing side to draw in funds and point both GoDaddy and Google at the same bank account.  Google giveth and GoDaddy taketh away.  Throw in a hundred to start and you're good to go for a decade.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>running these things ? $ 6.99 a year for the domain with free standard hosting from GoDaddy and you 're set.It 's not like it 's a particularly difficult task to create and run these types of sites .
With a simple cron script to clear out links which have n't been clicked in X amount of days you wo n't even have to worry about your DB ballooning out of control.Throw up Google AdSense on the user facing side to draw in funds and point both GoDaddy and Google at the same bank account .
Google giveth and GoDaddy taketh away .
Throw in a hundred to start and you 're good to go for a decade .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>running these things?$6.99 a year for the domain with free standard hosting from GoDaddy and you're set.It's not like it's a particularly difficult task to create and run these types of sites.
With a simple cron script to clear out links which haven't been clicked in X amount of days you won't even have to worry about your DB ballooning out of control.Throw up Google AdSense on the user facing side to draw in funds and point both GoDaddy and Google at the same bank account.
Google giveth and GoDaddy taketh away.
Throw in a hundred to start and you're good to go for a decade.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30104032</id>
	<title>Torrents</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258223160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Heck if they go bankrupt why not just release their database as a torrent and let other people get it if they want? Not like it'll do them any good to keep it private anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Heck if they go bankrupt why not just release their database as a torrent and let other people get it if they want ?
Not like it 'll do them any good to keep it private anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Heck if they go bankrupt why not just release their database as a torrent and let other people get it if they want?
Not like it'll do them any good to keep it private anyway.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30103456</id>
	<title>Why not release the link database?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258217460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Firstly, <a href="http://tr.im/" title="tr.im" rel="nofollow">tr.im</a> [tr.im] is still working, and even better, it's now open source (on github). Secondly, although this backup stuff sounds good, there's probably a much easier solution: put your link database online and release it under a free license. That's exactly what <a href="http://ur1.ca/" title="ur1.ca" rel="nofollow">ur1.ca</a> [ur1.ca] did (and this one is open source too).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Firstly , tr.im [ tr.im ] is still working , and even better , it 's now open source ( on github ) .
Secondly , although this backup stuff sounds good , there 's probably a much easier solution : put your link database online and release it under a free license .
That 's exactly what ur1.ca [ ur1.ca ] did ( and this one is open source too ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Firstly, tr.im [tr.im] is still working, and even better, it's now open source (on github).
Secondly, although this backup stuff sounds good, there's probably a much easier solution: put your link database online and release it under a free license.
That's exactly what ur1.ca [ur1.ca] did (and this one is open source too).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30102400</id>
	<title>Re:Problematical</title>
	<author>wellingtonsteve</author>
	<datestamp>1258205640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"This grammar is problematic..."</htmltext>
<tokenext>" This grammar is problematic... "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"This grammar is problematic..."</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101446</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30102152</id>
	<title>The problem is Twitter itself</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258203240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That stupid characters limit is self-imposed, they're the ones who created the problem. The easiest solution is to <em>not count HTML characters</em>, meaning you could have a 200 characters URL but be limited in length for the anchor text itself.</p><p>It also does unnecessary traffic and adds a delay. Doesn't seem like much, but let's say in five years everybody does that:<br>1. You click a link<br>2. Your browser does a DNS request for the shortener domain<br>3. The shortener website takes the short URL, fetches it in its database<br>4. Your browser receives a redirect to a new domain<br>5. Your browser does a DNS request for the actual domain<br>6. The actual website is sent to your browser</p><p>Steps 1-4 are added only for the benefit of an artificial, self-imposed limit from ONE website?</p><p>Fuck Twitter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That stupid characters limit is self-imposed , they 're the ones who created the problem .
The easiest solution is to not count HTML characters , meaning you could have a 200 characters URL but be limited in length for the anchor text itself.It also does unnecessary traffic and adds a delay .
Does n't seem like much , but let 's say in five years everybody does that : 1 .
You click a link2 .
Your browser does a DNS request for the shortener domain3 .
The shortener website takes the short URL , fetches it in its database4 .
Your browser receives a redirect to a new domain5 .
Your browser does a DNS request for the actual domain6 .
The actual website is sent to your browserSteps 1-4 are added only for the benefit of an artificial , self-imposed limit from ONE website ? Fuck Twitter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That stupid characters limit is self-imposed, they're the ones who created the problem.
The easiest solution is to not count HTML characters, meaning you could have a 200 characters URL but be limited in length for the anchor text itself.It also does unnecessary traffic and adds a delay.
Doesn't seem like much, but let's say in five years everybody does that:1.
You click a link2.
Your browser does a DNS request for the shortener domain3.
The shortener website takes the short URL, fetches it in its database4.
Your browser receives a redirect to a new domain5.
Your browser does a DNS request for the actual domain6.
The actual website is sent to your browserSteps 1-4 are added only for the benefit of an artificial, self-imposed limit from ONE website?Fuck Twitter.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30117670</id>
	<title>Re:Problematical</title>
	<author>aztracker1</author>
	<datestamp>1258396560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's <b>problematifragilisticexpialidocious</b> you insensitive clod.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's problematifragilisticexpialidocious you insensitive clod .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's problematifragilisticexpialidocious you insensitive clod.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30102558</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101524</id>
	<title>Re:Problematical</title>
	<author>wizardforce</author>
	<datestamp>1258198800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Problematicalic is not a word.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Problematicalic is not a word .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Problematicalic is not a word.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101446</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30103734</id>
	<title>Re:bit.ly</title>
	<author>Firehed</author>
	<datestamp>1258219680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perhaps the short "b.us" would be more appropriate for government work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps the short " b.us " would be more appropriate for government work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps the short "b.us" would be more appropriate for government work.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30102032</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30103800</id>
	<title>br.st</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258220280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I work for a company on the verge of publicly releasing their own URL shortener called "br.st". Keep an eye out it is supposed to rock.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I work for a company on the verge of publicly releasing their own URL shortener called " br.st " .
Keep an eye out it is supposed to rock .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work for a company on the verge of publicly releasing their own URL shortener called "br.st".
Keep an eye out it is supposed to rock.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30105500</id>
	<title>Re: string compression (was: How does one...)</title>
	<author>simoncpu was here</author>
	<datestamp>1258297740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think the OP is referring to a compression algorithm, instead of a cryptographic hash.  It sounds like a good idea.
<br>
Perhaps this RFC can recommend the use of reserved domain names for compatibility purposes (i.e., <a href="http://x.invalid/foobar" title="x.invalid" rel="nofollow">http://x.invalid/foobar</a> [x.invalid])</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the OP is referring to a compression algorithm , instead of a cryptographic hash .
It sounds like a good idea .
Perhaps this RFC can recommend the use of reserved domain names for compatibility purposes ( i.e. , http : //x.invalid/foobar [ x.invalid ] )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the OP is referring to a compression algorithm, instead of a cryptographic hash.
It sounds like a good idea.
Perhaps this RFC can recommend the use of reserved domain names for compatibility purposes (i.e., http://x.invalid/foobar [x.invalid])</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30102112</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101598</id>
	<title>solution in search of a problem</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258199280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not sure what the point of this is - most links that would use a shortener are those with limited lifespans anyway.  Twitter et al are generally of the "look at the cool article/video clip"  The use in printed works I can somewhat see but even the underlying website for these things is likely to have changed during the intervening period if these links are more than a year old.  This seems a solution in search of a problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure what the point of this is - most links that would use a shortener are those with limited lifespans anyway .
Twitter et al are generally of the " look at the cool article/video clip " The use in printed works I can somewhat see but even the underlying website for these things is likely to have changed during the intervening period if these links are more than a year old .
This seems a solution in search of a problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure what the point of this is - most links that would use a shortener are those with limited lifespans anyway.
Twitter et al are generally of the "look at the cool article/video clip"  The use in printed works I can somewhat see but even the underlying website for these things is likely to have changed during the intervening period if these links are more than a year old.
This seems a solution in search of a problem.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101470</id>
	<title>This will never work</title>
	<author>jonaskoelker</author>
	<datestamp>1258198440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a great proof why this won't work, but it's too long to fit in into a URL<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a great proof why this wo n't work , but it 's too long to fit in into a URL : (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a great proof why this won't work, but it's too long to fit in into a URL :(</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30102422</id>
	<title>Re:How does one go out of business...</title>
	<author>TavisJohn</author>
	<datestamp>1258205880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Great!  Then I can't wait for you to create your own URL Shortening service, and show them ALL how to do it correctly!</p><p>Some things you are forgetting about is...</p><p>Bandwidth.  If you have thousands or millions of hits a month, even if they consume a tiny amount of bandwidth, adds up to ALOT.</p><p>CPU load, Every hit will also consume CPU resources as you site looks up the proper URL for the short URL it received...</p><p>Most shared hosting providers frown on one person consuming alot of the resources of a shared server.</p><p>So you have to add in the cost of dedicated server...  And well you can see it grow from there...</p><p>However feel free to prove me and everyone else wrong by spending a few hundred dollars and have a URL shortening service that lasts a decade!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Great !
Then I ca n't wait for you to create your own URL Shortening service , and show them ALL how to do it correctly ! Some things you are forgetting about is...Bandwidth .
If you have thousands or millions of hits a month , even if they consume a tiny amount of bandwidth , adds up to ALOT.CPU load , Every hit will also consume CPU resources as you site looks up the proper URL for the short URL it received...Most shared hosting providers frown on one person consuming alot of the resources of a shared server.So you have to add in the cost of dedicated server... And well you can see it grow from there...However feel free to prove me and everyone else wrong by spending a few hundred dollars and have a URL shortening service that lasts a decade !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Great!
Then I can't wait for you to create your own URL Shortening service, and show them ALL how to do it correctly!Some things you are forgetting about is...Bandwidth.
If you have thousands or millions of hits a month, even if they consume a tiny amount of bandwidth, adds up to ALOT.CPU load, Every hit will also consume CPU resources as you site looks up the proper URL for the short URL it received...Most shared hosting providers frown on one person consuming alot of the resources of a shared server.So you have to add in the cost of dedicated server...  And well you can see it grow from there...However feel free to prove me and everyone else wrong by spending a few hundred dollars and have a URL shortening service that lasts a decade!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101576</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30103130</id>
	<title>Re:Problematical</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258213740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Problemathematicametallica anyone?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Problemathematicametallica anyone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Problemathematicametallica anyone?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101446</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30104180</id>
	<title>e44.us runs on Google App Engine</title>
	<author>ozzee</author>
	<datestamp>1258224840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've been using <a href="http://e44.us/" title="e44.us">e44.us</a> [e44.us] running on Google App Engine.  I think it will be around for a while as it custs nothing except registration fees to run atm.
<p>The source code is available on <a href="http://e44.us/1" title="e44.us">e44.us/1</a> [e44.us].
</p><p>You can "log in" with your gmail account so one day you can edit your short links.
</p><p>Anyhow, it's a simple app for now but if there is interest in a "community" OSS project, we can add cool features like, make personalized forms of the app (urls like e44.us/fred/1) or even your own domain (which you can do now with a Google Apps account), optimize it for mobile phones, validate access to URL's etc etc.  If you're interested, let me know.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been using e44.us [ e44.us ] running on Google App Engine .
I think it will be around for a while as it custs nothing except registration fees to run atm .
The source code is available on e44.us/1 [ e44.us ] .
You can " log in " with your gmail account so one day you can edit your short links .
Anyhow , it 's a simple app for now but if there is interest in a " community " OSS project , we can add cool features like , make personalized forms of the app ( urls like e44.us/fred/1 ) or even your own domain ( which you can do now with a Google Apps account ) , optimize it for mobile phones , validate access to URL 's etc etc .
If you 're interested , let me know .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been using e44.us [e44.us] running on Google App Engine.
I think it will be around for a while as it custs nothing except registration fees to run atm.
The source code is available on e44.us/1 [e44.us].
You can "log in" with your gmail account so one day you can edit your short links.
Anyhow, it's a simple app for now but if there is interest in a "community" OSS project, we can add cool features like, make personalized forms of the app (urls like e44.us/fred/1) or even your own domain (which you can do now with a Google Apps account), optimize it for mobile phones, validate access to URL's etc etc.
If you're interested, let me know.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30102622</id>
	<title>Re:bit.ly</title>
	<author>bertoelcon</author>
	<datestamp>1258207380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You act surprised. Very few TLDs mean anything now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You act surprised .
Very few TLDs mean anything now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You act surprised.
Very few TLDs mean anything now.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30102032</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101542</id>
	<title>Why bother?</title>
	<author>RiotingPacifist</author>
	<datestamp>1258198920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>URL shortners only server for twitter posts and other place where you need to count characters, these links become pointless within days of a post (some think they become useless even earlier than that), so why bother preserving them after that? let alone when a provider goes bankrupt.</p><p>p.s I'm only posting this so i can get some karma to go troll apple<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>URL shortners only server for twitter posts and other place where you need to count characters , these links become pointless within days of a post ( some think they become useless even earlier than that ) , so why bother preserving them after that ?
let alone when a provider goes bankrupt.p.s I 'm only posting this so i can get some karma to go troll apple ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>URL shortners only server for twitter posts and other place where you need to count characters, these links become pointless within days of a post (some think they become useless even earlier than that), so why bother preserving them after that?
let alone when a provider goes bankrupt.p.s I'm only posting this so i can get some karma to go troll apple ;)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30102872</id>
	<title>Re:THIS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258210200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I didn't know Sears sold bosons.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I did n't know Sears sold bosons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I didn't know Sears sold bosons.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101482</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30110988</id>
	<title>Re:THIS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS</title>
	<author>lennier</author>
	<datestamp>1258296300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He had softly and suddenly vanished away -<br>For the Sears was a boson, you see.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He had softly and suddenly vanished away -For the Sears was a boson , you see .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He had softly and suddenly vanished away -For the Sears was a boson, you see.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30102872</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30103120</id>
	<title>Re:Am I the only one who remembers what I read her</title>
	<author>0100010001010011</author>
	<datestamp>1258213620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So do it internally. There's no reason slashdot couldn't turn all the URL's on their own page into</p><p><a href="http://slashdot/a" title="slashdot">http://slashdot/a</a> [slashdot]</p><p>a-z 0-9, then add 2 digits, then 3, then 4. That should last you a while.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So do it internally .
There 's no reason slashdot could n't turn all the URL 's on their own page intohttp : //slashdot/a [ slashdot ] a-z 0-9 , then add 2 digits , then 3 , then 4 .
That should last you a while .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So do it internally.
There's no reason slashdot couldn't turn all the URL's on their own page intohttp://slashdot/a [slashdot]a-z 0-9, then add 2 digits, then 3, then 4.
That should last you a while.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30102986</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101722</id>
	<title>tr.im is gone?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258200420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Funny, I still have 4 urls shortened by them and they all still work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny , I still have 4 urls shortened by them and they all still work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny, I still have 4 urls shortened by them and they all still work.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30102456</id>
	<title>Re:Who wants 'em?</title>
	<author>porter235</author>
	<datestamp>1258206120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They are also nice for when the medium in which you are communicating the URL doesn't support hyperlinks... such as the printed word. Much easier to have someone type a bitly url (esp. if you give it a nice short name) than some longer url. The longer the URL the easier it is to make a mistake keying it in.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They are also nice for when the medium in which you are communicating the URL does n't support hyperlinks... such as the printed word .
Much easier to have someone type a bitly url ( esp .
if you give it a nice short name ) than some longer url .
The longer the URL the easier it is to make a mistake keying it in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are also nice for when the medium in which you are communicating the URL doesn't support hyperlinks... such as the printed word.
Much easier to have someone type a bitly url (esp.
if you give it a nice short name) than some longer url.
The longer the URL the easier it is to make a mistake keying it in.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30105054</id>
	<title>A more sensible alternative solution</title>
	<author>Bertie</author>
	<datestamp>1258293300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How's about Twitter just stops imposing a stupid arbitrary limit on post size, and then we wouldn't need these horrible services?</p><p>The SMS message length is a red herring - when was the last time you saw a phone that couldn't handle multiple messages strung together?  And I know it has the side benefit of encouraging brevity and stopping people using it like a full-blown blog, but honestly, there's no need - Facebook status messages don't have a length limit (that I've hit, anyway) and I don't see anybody knocking out War And Peace in there, because it's just not the medium for that sort of thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How 's about Twitter just stops imposing a stupid arbitrary limit on post size , and then we would n't need these horrible services ? The SMS message length is a red herring - when was the last time you saw a phone that could n't handle multiple messages strung together ?
And I know it has the side benefit of encouraging brevity and stopping people using it like a full-blown blog , but honestly , there 's no need - Facebook status messages do n't have a length limit ( that I 've hit , anyway ) and I do n't see anybody knocking out War And Peace in there , because it 's just not the medium for that sort of thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How's about Twitter just stops imposing a stupid arbitrary limit on post size, and then we wouldn't need these horrible services?The SMS message length is a red herring - when was the last time you saw a phone that couldn't handle multiple messages strung together?
And I know it has the side benefit of encouraging brevity and stopping people using it like a full-blown blog, but honestly, there's no need - Facebook status messages don't have a length limit (that I've hit, anyway) and I don't see anybody knocking out War And Peace in there, because it's just not the medium for that sort of thing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101794</id>
	<title>Re:How does one go out of business...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258200900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>$6.99 a year for the domain with free standard hosting from GoDaddy and you're set.

It's not like it's a particularly difficult task to create and run these types of sites. With a simple cron script to clear out links which haven't been clicked in X amount of days you won't even have to worry about your DB ballooning out of control.

Throw up Google AdSense on the user facing side to draw in funds and point both GoDaddy and Google at the same bank account. Google giveth and GoDaddy taketh away. Throw in a hundred to start and you're good to go for a decade.</p></div><p>I can see you have no idea what your talking about. Your forgetting the server and bandwidth costs. You could be looking at $300 - $500 per month to start and going up from there. And Adsense won't work because no one is coming directly to your site.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>$ 6.99 a year for the domain with free standard hosting from GoDaddy and you 're set .
It 's not like it 's a particularly difficult task to create and run these types of sites .
With a simple cron script to clear out links which have n't been clicked in X amount of days you wo n't even have to worry about your DB ballooning out of control .
Throw up Google AdSense on the user facing side to draw in funds and point both GoDaddy and Google at the same bank account .
Google giveth and GoDaddy taketh away .
Throw in a hundred to start and you 're good to go for a decade.I can see you have no idea what your talking about .
Your forgetting the server and bandwidth costs .
You could be looking at $ 300 - $ 500 per month to start and going up from there .
And Adsense wo n't work because no one is coming directly to your site .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>$6.99 a year for the domain with free standard hosting from GoDaddy and you're set.
It's not like it's a particularly difficult task to create and run these types of sites.
With a simple cron script to clear out links which haven't been clicked in X amount of days you won't even have to worry about your DB ballooning out of control.
Throw up Google AdSense on the user facing side to draw in funds and point both GoDaddy and Google at the same bank account.
Google giveth and GoDaddy taketh away.
Throw in a hundred to start and you're good to go for a decade.I can see you have no idea what your talking about.
Your forgetting the server and bandwidth costs.
You could be looking at $300 - $500 per month to start and going up from there.
And Adsense won't work because no one is coming directly to your site.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30104522</id>
	<title>Re:Why bother?</title>
	<author>lachlan76</author>
	<datestamp>1258315800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've seen magazines use Tinyurl before, since it saves space, and the URLs are far easier to type than the originals.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've seen magazines use Tinyurl before , since it saves space , and the URLs are far easier to type than the originals .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've seen magazines use Tinyurl before, since it saves space, and the URLs are far easier to type than the originals.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101620</id>
	<title>Bit.ly?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258199520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If bit.ly is the largest, I wonder why I haven't heard of it.  Granted, once you find one, then it's golden.  But I've never seen a bit.ly shortener.  I've sone loads of tinyurl.com hashes, but never any bit.ly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If bit.ly is the largest , I wonder why I have n't heard of it .
Granted , once you find one , then it 's golden .
But I 've never seen a bit.ly shortener .
I 've sone loads of tinyurl.com hashes , but never any bit.ly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If bit.ly is the largest, I wonder why I haven't heard of it.
Granted, once you find one, then it's golden.
But I've never seen a bit.ly shortener.
I've sone loads of tinyurl.com hashes, but never any bit.ly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30102992</id>
	<title>Re:Wish these services would just go away already</title>
	<author>OrangeTide</author>
	<datestamp>1258211880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not any different than the link rot you get from expired domains. The number of dead links on the internet are massive. I find myself popping onto webpages that haven't been updated in several years. and all the Geocities links are dead. Internet Archive tries to mirror what it can, but it's more of a band-aid over the real problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not any different than the link rot you get from expired domains .
The number of dead links on the internet are massive .
I find myself popping onto webpages that have n't been updated in several years .
and all the Geocities links are dead .
Internet Archive tries to mirror what it can , but it 's more of a band-aid over the real problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not any different than the link rot you get from expired domains.
The number of dead links on the internet are massive.
I find myself popping onto webpages that haven't been updated in several years.
and all the Geocities links are dead.
Internet Archive tries to mirror what it can, but it's more of a band-aid over the real problem.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101878</id>
	<title>Shouldn't exist anyway; that's what URNs are for</title>
	<author>CarpetShark</author>
	<datestamp>1258201500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>These private URL shortening sites shouldn't exist anyway.  They're just a hack to support long urls on mediums that can't handle proper html-style linked text (aka hypertext).  Those mediums are buggy should be upgraded (if only by footnote style guidelines).</p><p>The bigger issue is private databases, and that all these sites are independent, with separate domains and slightly different urls.  The proper solution to that is probably to replace shortlinks with URNs, some DNS/directory/mirror protocol extension that allows browsers to find the nearest server that handles SHORTNAME://MYURN style links, and to essentially query it for "whatever webserver(s) can provide the file referred to by MYURN".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>These private URL shortening sites should n't exist anyway .
They 're just a hack to support long urls on mediums that ca n't handle proper html-style linked text ( aka hypertext ) .
Those mediums are buggy should be upgraded ( if only by footnote style guidelines ) .The bigger issue is private databases , and that all these sites are independent , with separate domains and slightly different urls .
The proper solution to that is probably to replace shortlinks with URNs , some DNS/directory/mirror protocol extension that allows browsers to find the nearest server that handles SHORTNAME : //MYURN style links , and to essentially query it for " whatever webserver ( s ) can provide the file referred to by MYURN " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These private URL shortening sites shouldn't exist anyway.
They're just a hack to support long urls on mediums that can't handle proper html-style linked text (aka hypertext).
Those mediums are buggy should be upgraded (if only by footnote style guidelines).The bigger issue is private databases, and that all these sites are independent, with separate domains and slightly different urls.
The proper solution to that is probably to replace shortlinks with URNs, some DNS/directory/mirror protocol extension that allows browsers to find the nearest server that handles SHORTNAME://MYURN style links, and to essentially query it for "whatever webserver(s) can provide the file referred to by MYURN".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30177946</id>
	<title>Solution is obvious</title>
	<author>jtgd</author>
	<datestamp>1258713960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>If Twitter is the main consumer of these, and they depend on them, why doesn't <i>Twitter</i> go into the shortening business?  Buy one of those short domain names and run it themselves.  They clearly have the resources, and the motivation.  Seems obvious to me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If Twitter is the main consumer of these , and they depend on them , why does n't Twitter go into the shortening business ?
Buy one of those short domain names and run it themselves .
They clearly have the resources , and the motivation .
Seems obvious to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If Twitter is the main consumer of these, and they depend on them, why doesn't Twitter go into the shortening business?
Buy one of those short domain names and run it themselves.
They clearly have the resources, and the motivation.
Seems obvious to me.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101446</id>
	<title>Problematical</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258198380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>URL shorteners are<b> problematical</b>, as everybody knows, but with the rise of Twitter and its ilk they seem to be a necessary part of the landscape.</p></div><p>Seriously?? I know editors frequently get grief for this sort of thing, but <i>come on</i>... the word is <b>problematicalic,</b> for crying out loud.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>URL shorteners are problematical , as everybody knows , but with the rise of Twitter and its ilk they seem to be a necessary part of the landscape.Seriously ? ?
I know editors frequently get grief for this sort of thing , but come on... the word is problematicalic , for crying out loud .
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>URL shorteners are problematical, as everybody knows, but with the rise of Twitter and its ilk they seem to be a necessary part of the landscape.Seriously??
I know editors frequently get grief for this sort of thing, but come on... the word is problematicalic, for crying out loud.
;)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30103556</id>
	<title>Re:How does one go out of business...</title>
	<author>Firehed</author>
	<datestamp>1258218120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The fact that bit.ly raised something like $2m in venture funding suggests it costs more than a self-sustaining $100 to run a popular URL shortener.  As does logic.</p><p>Even something that basically amounts to one database table with two columns and an index (at a bare miniumum) gets hairy when it needs to handle millions of requests per day - as bit.ly does. And they do a lot more than that.</p><p>I doubt you'd make a legitimate cent from adsense on the homepage of a url shortener, unless people are (for some reason beyond my imagination) running a CPM campaign. You'd almost assuredly get only mis-clicks, and very few of them. Especially once you figure in that a very healthy portion of those savvy enough to use a shortener service are going to be running adblock.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The fact that bit.ly raised something like $ 2m in venture funding suggests it costs more than a self-sustaining $ 100 to run a popular URL shortener .
As does logic.Even something that basically amounts to one database table with two columns and an index ( at a bare miniumum ) gets hairy when it needs to handle millions of requests per day - as bit.ly does .
And they do a lot more than that.I doubt you 'd make a legitimate cent from adsense on the homepage of a url shortener , unless people are ( for some reason beyond my imagination ) running a CPM campaign .
You 'd almost assuredly get only mis-clicks , and very few of them .
Especially once you figure in that a very healthy portion of those savvy enough to use a shortener service are going to be running adblock .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fact that bit.ly raised something like $2m in venture funding suggests it costs more than a self-sustaining $100 to run a popular URL shortener.
As does logic.Even something that basically amounts to one database table with two columns and an index (at a bare miniumum) gets hairy when it needs to handle millions of requests per day - as bit.ly does.
And they do a lot more than that.I doubt you'd make a legitimate cent from adsense on the homepage of a url shortener, unless people are (for some reason beyond my imagination) running a CPM campaign.
You'd almost assuredly get only mis-clicks, and very few of them.
Especially once you figure in that a very healthy portion of those savvy enough to use a shortener service are going to be running adblock.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101562</id>
	<title>Will it really</title>
	<author>TorKlingberg</author>
	<datestamp>1258199160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If one of these companies goes bankrupt, their creditors will demand the only valuable asset: the domain name. Does their agreement with 301Works overrule the creditors claims?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If one of these companies goes bankrupt , their creditors will demand the only valuable asset : the domain name .
Does their agreement with 301Works overrule the creditors claims ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If one of these companies goes bankrupt, their creditors will demand the only valuable asset: the domain name.
Does their agreement with 301Works overrule the creditors claims?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30102838</id>
	<title>Re:Wish these services would just go away already</title>
	<author>dmomo</author>
	<datestamp>1258209720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But, I just don't understand how that cutens ANYTHING!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But , I just do n't understand how that cutens ANYTHING !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But, I just don't understand how that cutens ANYTHING!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30109724</id>
	<title>Re:Why bother?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258285860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The fact that you can get stats back on a link (such as in bit.ly) can be really useful, if not useful... interesting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The fact that you can get stats back on a link ( such as in bit.ly ) can be really useful , if not useful... interesting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fact that you can get stats back on a link (such as in bit.ly) can be really useful, if not useful... interesting.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30102478</id>
	<title>Maybe we could just issue unique IDs</title>
	<author>istartedi</author>
	<datestamp>1258206300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe we could just issue unique IDs
for everything on the Internet.  I'm not sure
how many would be enough.  It could be 64-bits,
or perhaps even 128, although you can be sure
that if we did that some comittee would probably
come up with a reason to gobble up bits.  Then of
course you'd need some bits for private URLs.</p><p>I'm not sure what you call it, but plainly
some protocol is needed for all these URLs on the
Internet.  A kind of... "Internet Protocol", or IP
for short.  Yeah, that's it.  Is anybody working on that?</p><p>(end sarcasm)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe we could just issue unique IDs for everything on the Internet .
I 'm not sure how many would be enough .
It could be 64-bits , or perhaps even 128 , although you can be sure that if we did that some comittee would probably come up with a reason to gobble up bits .
Then of course you 'd need some bits for private URLs.I 'm not sure what you call it , but plainly some protocol is needed for all these URLs on the Internet .
A kind of... " Internet Protocol " , or IP for short .
Yeah , that 's it .
Is anybody working on that ?
( end sarcasm )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe we could just issue unique IDs
for everything on the Internet.
I'm not sure
how many would be enough.
It could be 64-bits,
or perhaps even 128, although you can be sure
that if we did that some comittee would probably
come up with a reason to gobble up bits.
Then of
course you'd need some bits for private URLs.I'm not sure what you call it, but plainly
some protocol is needed for all these URLs on the
Internet.
A kind of... "Internet Protocol", or IP
for short.
Yeah, that's it.
Is anybody working on that?
(end sarcasm)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30102574</id>
	<title>Shorteners are bad</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258207020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Make the URLs/URIs/IRIs short in the first place, and get rid of the problem. (.html, leading double slash, trailing slash, www...)<br>And use <a href="\%5BInsert" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">title of page</a> [slashdot.org] instead of plain IRI.<br>No need query servers with cryptic fake-URIs to get the real ones. Sending the full URIs actually<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/saves/ network traffic in the end.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Make the URLs/URIs/IRIs short in the first place , and get rid of the problem .
( .html , leading double slash , trailing slash , www... ) And use title of page [ slashdot.org ] instead of plain IRI.No need query servers with cryptic fake-URIs to get the real ones .
Sending the full URIs actually /saves/ network traffic in the end .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Make the URLs/URIs/IRIs short in the first place, and get rid of the problem.
(.html, leading double slash, trailing slash, www...)And use title of page [slashdot.org] instead of plain IRI.No need query servers with cryptic fake-URIs to get the real ones.
Sending the full URIs actually /saves/ network traffic in the end.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30112830</id>
	<title>Reversible compression algorithm?</title>
	<author>brucmack</author>
	<datestamp>1258404240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why can't someone build a purpose-built compression algorithm for URLs, so we can skip the URL shortener providers entirely? URLs contain lots of oft-occurring constructs, so I would think a reasonably good compression ratio could be attained.</p><p>Take a URL like <a href="http://is.gd/XXXXX" title="is.gd">http://is.gd/XXXXX</a> [is.gd] - that's 18 characters where only 5 are being used to reference the URL. Couldn't a generic URL compressor do a better job on most URLs of reasonable length? Then we could build inflate support directly into the browser and skip the URL shortener entirely.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why ca n't someone build a purpose-built compression algorithm for URLs , so we can skip the URL shortener providers entirely ?
URLs contain lots of oft-occurring constructs , so I would think a reasonably good compression ratio could be attained.Take a URL like http : //is.gd/XXXXX [ is.gd ] - that 's 18 characters where only 5 are being used to reference the URL .
Could n't a generic URL compressor do a better job on most URLs of reasonable length ?
Then we could build inflate support directly into the browser and skip the URL shortener entirely .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why can't someone build a purpose-built compression algorithm for URLs, so we can skip the URL shortener providers entirely?
URLs contain lots of oft-occurring constructs, so I would think a reasonably good compression ratio could be attained.Take a URL like http://is.gd/XXXXX [is.gd] - that's 18 characters where only 5 are being used to reference the URL.
Couldn't a generic URL compressor do a better job on most URLs of reasonable length?
Then we could build inflate support directly into the browser and skip the URL shortener entirely.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30102618</id>
	<title>Does the solve the "little guy" problem?</title>
	<author>dmomo</author>
	<datestamp>1258207380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One reason the link-rot threat is very real is the little guy.</p><p>I run a url-shortner (ish) service because it's fun and I can.</p><p>While, I would love to defend url shortners, my advice to a friend would be : don't use these for anything important.  They are not to be used in place of bookmarks.  If you have a site or a blog.. just use the real URL in the href. You can  beautify it any way you would like inside the "Anchor" tag itself.  We've been doing that for two decades now.</p><p>Also, the link-rot threat is quite real. SoCuteUrl is simply a fun way to send an otherwise cumbersome link.  It's more memorable.. easy to write down, text, etc.</p><p>I run the site because it costs very very little to do so and is a very easy to thing to have set up.  And, it's fairly easy to maintain.</p><p>This is where the problem lies.  These are so easy to engineer that virtually anyone can do it.  Yes, even slackers like myself with a tendency to flake out on personal projects.</p><p>301Works Looks like a decent solution. I will be evaluating it for my own site (socuteurl.com).</p><p>However, the membership fee, which does not exist now could prove problematic. My site makes no money.  $1,000 a year may not be a lot of money for a site that makes some kind of profit, but it's a lot to support a hobby.<br>I think 301works may have to come up with a better way to support their costs.  Since the biggest threat to link rot.. are the sites that don't make money!  I think the membership fee if instated should be optional, and donations should be accepted. Or, perhaps the membership fee can be scaled down for sites with small dbs to upload.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One reason the link-rot threat is very real is the little guy.I run a url-shortner ( ish ) service because it 's fun and I can.While , I would love to defend url shortners , my advice to a friend would be : do n't use these for anything important .
They are not to be used in place of bookmarks .
If you have a site or a blog.. just use the real URL in the href .
You can beautify it any way you would like inside the " Anchor " tag itself .
We 've been doing that for two decades now.Also , the link-rot threat is quite real .
SoCuteUrl is simply a fun way to send an otherwise cumbersome link .
It 's more memorable.. easy to write down , text , etc.I run the site because it costs very very little to do so and is a very easy to thing to have set up .
And , it 's fairly easy to maintain.This is where the problem lies .
These are so easy to engineer that virtually anyone can do it .
Yes , even slackers like myself with a tendency to flake out on personal projects.301Works Looks like a decent solution .
I will be evaluating it for my own site ( socuteurl.com ) .However , the membership fee , which does not exist now could prove problematic .
My site makes no money .
$ 1,000 a year may not be a lot of money for a site that makes some kind of profit , but it 's a lot to support a hobby.I think 301works may have to come up with a better way to support their costs .
Since the biggest threat to link rot.. are the sites that do n't make money !
I think the membership fee if instated should be optional , and donations should be accepted .
Or , perhaps the membership fee can be scaled down for sites with small dbs to upload .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One reason the link-rot threat is very real is the little guy.I run a url-shortner (ish) service because it's fun and I can.While, I would love to defend url shortners, my advice to a friend would be : don't use these for anything important.
They are not to be used in place of bookmarks.
If you have a site or a blog.. just use the real URL in the href.
You can  beautify it any way you would like inside the "Anchor" tag itself.
We've been doing that for two decades now.Also, the link-rot threat is quite real.
SoCuteUrl is simply a fun way to send an otherwise cumbersome link.
It's more memorable.. easy to write down, text, etc.I run the site because it costs very very little to do so and is a very easy to thing to have set up.
And, it's fairly easy to maintain.This is where the problem lies.
These are so easy to engineer that virtually anyone can do it.
Yes, even slackers like myself with a tendency to flake out on personal projects.301Works Looks like a decent solution.
I will be evaluating it for my own site (socuteurl.com).However, the membership fee, which does not exist now could prove problematic.
My site makes no money.
$1,000 a year may not be a lot of money for a site that makes some kind of profit, but it's a lot to support a hobby.I think 301works may have to come up with a better way to support their costs.
Since the biggest threat to link rot.. are the sites that don't make money!
I think the membership fee if instated should be optional, and donations should be accepted.
Or, perhaps the membership fee can be scaled down for sites with small dbs to upload.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30102814</id>
	<title>Re:Wish these services would just go away already</title>
	<author>Pentium100</author>
	<datestamp>1258209480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about the website owners make the URLs shorter. It would be really fun if I wanted to, say, send that link to someone in SMS or post on a website from my cellphone<br>83322244177775552777744366681666777411111111111111177778666777999<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.......<br>(if you can't tell, my example is "tech.slashdot.org/story"</p><p>Instead of going to tinyurl or a similar site and getting a shorter url. A similar problem is when you need to print the url (for example in a magazine). Printing it isn;t difficult, but when someone wants to go to that site, they need to enter it. Bonus points if the url is case sensitive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about the website owners make the URLs shorter .
It would be really fun if I wanted to , say , send that link to someone in SMS or post on a website from my cellphone83322244177775552777744366681666777411111111111111177778666777999 ....... ( if you ca n't tell , my example is " tech.slashdot.org/story " Instead of going to tinyurl or a similar site and getting a shorter url .
A similar problem is when you need to print the url ( for example in a magazine ) .
Printing it isn ; t difficult , but when someone wants to go to that site , they need to enter it .
Bonus points if the url is case sensitive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about the website owners make the URLs shorter.
It would be really fun if I wanted to, say, send that link to someone in SMS or post on a website from my cellphone83322244177775552777744366681666777411111111111111177778666777999 .......(if you can't tell, my example is "tech.slashdot.org/story"Instead of going to tinyurl or a similar site and getting a shorter url.
A similar problem is when you need to print the url (for example in a magazine).
Printing it isn;t difficult, but when someone wants to go to that site, they need to enter it.
Bonus points if the url is case sensitive.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101582</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101688</id>
	<title>Re:Will it really</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1258200180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For someone trying to resolve one of the shortened urls, having a working mechanism present on the domain is a lot less important than having the database (for instance, say bit.ly shut down, Twitter could put in place a mechanism where users could press a button and some program would go through their spew and replace all the bit.ly references with something else, having the service running on bit.ly isn't real important for things like that).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For someone trying to resolve one of the shortened urls , having a working mechanism present on the domain is a lot less important than having the database ( for instance , say bit.ly shut down , Twitter could put in place a mechanism where users could press a button and some program would go through their spew and replace all the bit.ly references with something else , having the service running on bit.ly is n't real important for things like that ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For someone trying to resolve one of the shortened urls, having a working mechanism present on the domain is a lot less important than having the database (for instance, say bit.ly shut down, Twitter could put in place a mechanism where users could press a button and some program would go through their spew and replace all the bit.ly references with something else, having the service running on bit.ly isn't real important for things like that).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101562</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101440</id>
	<title>No Subject</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258198320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <b>GNAA REBORN UNDER NEW LEADERSHIP</b> </p><p> <i>DiKKy Heartiez - Berlin, Norway </i> </p><p>President timecop of the GNAA has died today. He died at the age of 55 from excessive lulz in his apartment in Tokyo, Japan while watching faggot cartoons of preteen girls beeing raped by giant testicles. The world will remember him as a total faggot douchebag who had the opportunity to unite the best trolls seen upon the face of the internet into one special hardcore machine of destruction, unfortunately he failed, instead devoting his internet carreer to animu. Although he died like a true hero he will be forever remembered as a total failure. </p><p>In the wake of his death the GNAA is thought to perish like all the other so called trolling organizations. The writing is on the wall, they say. The GNAA smells worse than BSD, they say.They have said this for a long time. The GNAA has lived, with a very faint pulse, for years. </p><p> <b> DIKKY HEARTIEZ CLAIMS THE PRESIDENCY OF THE GNAA!!!!!!!</b> </p><p>With the death of timecop still shocking our chats, not many are able to see ahead. But there is one visionary Nord who has great plans for the new GNAA.<br>"Under my leadership the GNAA will become the new home of all trolls on the internet. The GNAA will regain its old strength and will be feared by bloggers and jews alike. The time for CHANGE is now." DiKky HearTiez told a shocked audience outside the Gary Niger Memorial Plaza, Nigeria, earlier today. The GNAA will move its Internet Relayed Communications to a new location, following reports of a massive "Distributed Denial Of Service" attack on its previous location, making it unreliable.<br>"Our operatives are in need of a robust and safe communications service with can\_flood for everyone." An anonymous source at the GNAA Black Ops department told reporters at the same conference.</p><p> <b>KLULZ supports DiKKy Heartiez presidency!</b> </p><p>The infamous KLULZ internet radio station supports DiKKy Heartiez for the new GNAA president.<br>"KLULZ is behind him 100\% and will be broadcasting his speeches and support him in every way possible, we wish him the best of luck and an outstanding presidency. May many blogs burn under DiKky Hearties." This was stated by KLULZ Operations Manager and Gay Nigger g0sp when asked to comment on KLULZ involvement.</p><p> <b>About President timecop</b> </p><p>DEAD.</p><p> <b>About DiKKy HearTiez </b> </p><p>The world famous internet nord from Norway LOL HY living in a fjord LOL HY. Currently the new President of the new GNAA. He is also a radiodj on KLULZ and active in many irc chats. Known for several epic trolls in his time. Led the GNAA operation Intel Crapflood 21, who succesfully made GNAA owners of the biggest thread on Slashdot until fixed by admins. Also deeply involved in the war on blogs, and is the one who provided JesuitX with the real screenshots of Faggintosh Leopard. His leadership abilities, high iq and instoppable urge to troll, coupled with his fat Norwegian welfare check will enable him to become the best President the GNAA ever had.</p><p> <b>About KLULZ</b> </p><p>KLULZ is the internets radio station, bringing you news about the GNAA, hosting shows by prominent djs such as DiKKy, l0de, g0sp, jenk and many others. KLULZ supports DiKKy Heartiez. With mature content this channel is not suitable for children or people under the age of 18. Klulz radio can be heard at http://klulz.com/listen.pls</p><p> <b>About GNAA</b>:</p><p> <b>GNAA</b> (<i>GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA</i>) is the first<br>organization which gathers GAY NIGGERS from all over America and abroad for one<br>common goal - being GAY NIGGERS.</p><p>Are you <a href="http://klerck.org/spin.gif" title="klerck.org" rel="nofollow"> <b>GAY</b> </a> [klerck.org]?</p><p>Are you a <a href="http://www.mugshots.org/sports/oj-simpson.jpg" title="mugshots.org" rel="nofollow"> <b>NIGGER</b> </a> [mugshots.org]?</p><p>Are you a <a href="http://www.gay-sex-access.com/gay-black-sex.jpg" title="gay-sex-access.com" rel="nofollow"> <b>GAY NIGGER</b> </a> [gay-sex-access.com]?</p><p>If you answered "Yes" to all of the above questions, then <b>GNAA</b> (<i>GAY NIGGER<br>ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA</i>) might be exactly what you've been loo</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GNAA REBORN UNDER NEW LEADERSHIP DiKKy Heartiez - Berlin , Norway President timecop of the GNAA has died today .
He died at the age of 55 from excessive lulz in his apartment in Tokyo , Japan while watching faggot cartoons of preteen girls beeing raped by giant testicles .
The world will remember him as a total faggot douchebag who had the opportunity to unite the best trolls seen upon the face of the internet into one special hardcore machine of destruction , unfortunately he failed , instead devoting his internet carreer to animu .
Although he died like a true hero he will be forever remembered as a total failure .
In the wake of his death the GNAA is thought to perish like all the other so called trolling organizations .
The writing is on the wall , they say .
The GNAA smells worse than BSD , they say.They have said this for a long time .
The GNAA has lived , with a very faint pulse , for years .
DIKKY HEARTIEZ CLAIMS THE PRESIDENCY OF THE GNAA ! ! ! ! ! ! !
With the death of timecop still shocking our chats , not many are able to see ahead .
But there is one visionary Nord who has great plans for the new GNAA .
" Under my leadership the GNAA will become the new home of all trolls on the internet .
The GNAA will regain its old strength and will be feared by bloggers and jews alike .
The time for CHANGE is now .
" DiKky HearTiez told a shocked audience outside the Gary Niger Memorial Plaza , Nigeria , earlier today .
The GNAA will move its Internet Relayed Communications to a new location , following reports of a massive " Distributed Denial Of Service " attack on its previous location , making it unreliable .
" Our operatives are in need of a robust and safe communications service with can \ _flood for everyone .
" An anonymous source at the GNAA Black Ops department told reporters at the same conference .
KLULZ supports DiKKy Heartiez presidency !
The infamous KLULZ internet radio station supports DiKKy Heartiez for the new GNAA president .
" KLULZ is behind him 100 \ % and will be broadcasting his speeches and support him in every way possible , we wish him the best of luck and an outstanding presidency .
May many blogs burn under DiKky Hearties .
" This was stated by KLULZ Operations Manager and Gay Nigger g0sp when asked to comment on KLULZ involvement .
About President timecop DEAD .
About DiKKy HearTiez The world famous internet nord from Norway LOL HY living in a fjord LOL HY .
Currently the new President of the new GNAA .
He is also a radiodj on KLULZ and active in many irc chats .
Known for several epic trolls in his time .
Led the GNAA operation Intel Crapflood 21 , who succesfully made GNAA owners of the biggest thread on Slashdot until fixed by admins .
Also deeply involved in the war on blogs , and is the one who provided JesuitX with the real screenshots of Faggintosh Leopard .
His leadership abilities , high iq and instoppable urge to troll , coupled with his fat Norwegian welfare check will enable him to become the best President the GNAA ever had .
About KLULZ KLULZ is the internets radio station , bringing you news about the GNAA , hosting shows by prominent djs such as DiKKy , l0de , g0sp , jenk and many others .
KLULZ supports DiKKy Heartiez .
With mature content this channel is not suitable for children or people under the age of 18 .
Klulz radio can be heard at http : //klulz.com/listen.pls About GNAA : GNAA ( GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA ) is the firstorganization which gathers GAY NIGGERS from all over America and abroad for onecommon goal - being GAY NIGGERS.Are you GAY [ klerck.org ] ? Are you a NIGGER [ mugshots.org ] ? Are you a GAY NIGGER [ gay-sex-access.com ] ? If you answered " Yes " to all of the above questions , then GNAA ( GAY NIGGERASSOCIATION OF AMERICA ) might be exactly what you 've been loo</tokentext>
<sentencetext> GNAA REBORN UNDER NEW LEADERSHIP  DiKKy Heartiez - Berlin, Norway  President timecop of the GNAA has died today.
He died at the age of 55 from excessive lulz in his apartment in Tokyo, Japan while watching faggot cartoons of preteen girls beeing raped by giant testicles.
The world will remember him as a total faggot douchebag who had the opportunity to unite the best trolls seen upon the face of the internet into one special hardcore machine of destruction, unfortunately he failed, instead devoting his internet carreer to animu.
Although he died like a true hero he will be forever remembered as a total failure.
In the wake of his death the GNAA is thought to perish like all the other so called trolling organizations.
The writing is on the wall, they say.
The GNAA smells worse than BSD, they say.They have said this for a long time.
The GNAA has lived, with a very faint pulse, for years.
DIKKY HEARTIEZ CLAIMS THE PRESIDENCY OF THE GNAA!!!!!!!
With the death of timecop still shocking our chats, not many are able to see ahead.
But there is one visionary Nord who has great plans for the new GNAA.
"Under my leadership the GNAA will become the new home of all trolls on the internet.
The GNAA will regain its old strength and will be feared by bloggers and jews alike.
The time for CHANGE is now.
" DiKky HearTiez told a shocked audience outside the Gary Niger Memorial Plaza, Nigeria, earlier today.
The GNAA will move its Internet Relayed Communications to a new location, following reports of a massive "Distributed Denial Of Service" attack on its previous location, making it unreliable.
"Our operatives are in need of a robust and safe communications service with can\_flood for everyone.
" An anonymous source at the GNAA Black Ops department told reporters at the same conference.
KLULZ supports DiKKy Heartiez presidency!
The infamous KLULZ internet radio station supports DiKKy Heartiez for the new GNAA president.
"KLULZ is behind him 100\% and will be broadcasting his speeches and support him in every way possible, we wish him the best of luck and an outstanding presidency.
May many blogs burn under DiKky Hearties.
" This was stated by KLULZ Operations Manager and Gay Nigger g0sp when asked to comment on KLULZ involvement.
About President timecop DEAD.
About DiKKy HearTiez  The world famous internet nord from Norway LOL HY living in a fjord LOL HY.
Currently the new President of the new GNAA.
He is also a radiodj on KLULZ and active in many irc chats.
Known for several epic trolls in his time.
Led the GNAA operation Intel Crapflood 21, who succesfully made GNAA owners of the biggest thread on Slashdot until fixed by admins.
Also deeply involved in the war on blogs, and is the one who provided JesuitX with the real screenshots of Faggintosh Leopard.
His leadership abilities, high iq and instoppable urge to troll, coupled with his fat Norwegian welfare check will enable him to become the best President the GNAA ever had.
About KLULZ KLULZ is the internets radio station, bringing you news about the GNAA, hosting shows by prominent djs such as DiKKy, l0de, g0sp, jenk and many others.
KLULZ supports DiKKy Heartiez.
With mature content this channel is not suitable for children or people under the age of 18.
Klulz radio can be heard at http://klulz.com/listen.pls About GNAA: GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the firstorganization which gathers GAY NIGGERS from all over America and abroad for onecommon goal - being GAY NIGGERS.Are you  GAY  [klerck.org]?Are you a  NIGGER  [mugshots.org]?Are you a  GAY NIGGER  [gay-sex-access.com]?If you answered "Yes" to all of the above questions, then GNAA (GAY NIGGERASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) might be exactly what you've been loo</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30103694</id>
	<title>And...</title>
	<author>Puppet Master</author>
	<datestamp>1258219260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>What happens when 301works.org goes belly up?
<p>
It's not difficult to write your own.  I did it  (not going to link to it because my server probably won't handle the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. effect.)
</p><p>
They can't even decide on the name.  In their Terms of Participation, they refer to<br>themselves
as 310works, not 301works.  Later they refer to themselves as 201works.<br>This does not appear
to me to be a very professional company if they can't even proofread their own page...
</p><p>
And this part gets me:
</p><p>
Participating companies will be encouraged to place a &lsquo;301Works&rsquo; badge on their websites, indicating that they are operating in accordance with these terms of participation. We will generate these badges so they will include the 301works logo and the company&rsquo;s logo.
</p><p>
They get free advertising on all of these sites.    And last section says they *MAY* impose a fee later, like a $1000/year....
</p><p>
I'm providing my services for free, no guarantees, warranties or promises.  If I go belly up, well, to bad...  But with their proofreading "skilz" and free advertising, and possibly charging a fee later on, I think I'll pass.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What happens when 301works.org goes belly up ?
It 's not difficult to write your own .
I did it ( not going to link to it because my server probably wo n't handle the / .
effect. ) They ca n't even decide on the name .
In their Terms of Participation , they refer tothemselves as 310works , not 301works .
Later they refer to themselves as 201works.This does not appear to me to be a very professional company if they ca n't even proofread their own page.. . And this part gets me : Participating companies will be encouraged to place a    301Works    badge on their websites , indicating that they are operating in accordance with these terms of participation .
We will generate these badges so they will include the 301works logo and the company    s logo .
They get free advertising on all of these sites .
And last section says they * MAY * impose a fee later , like a $ 1000/year... . I 'm providing my services for free , no guarantees , warranties or promises .
If I go belly up , well , to bad... But with their proofreading " skilz " and free advertising , and possibly charging a fee later on , I think I 'll pass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What happens when 301works.org goes belly up?
It's not difficult to write your own.
I did it  (not going to link to it because my server probably won't handle the /.
effect.)

They can't even decide on the name.
In their Terms of Participation, they refer tothemselves
as 310works, not 301works.
Later they refer to themselves as 201works.This does not appear
to me to be a very professional company if they can't even proofread their own page...

And this part gets me:

Participating companies will be encouraged to place a ‘301Works’ badge on their websites, indicating that they are operating in accordance with these terms of participation.
We will generate these badges so they will include the 301works logo and the company’s logo.
They get free advertising on all of these sites.
And last section says they *MAY* impose a fee later, like a $1000/year....

I'm providing my services for free, no guarantees, warranties or promises.
If I go belly up, well, to bad...  But with their proofreading "skilz" and free advertising, and possibly charging a fee later on, I think I'll pass.
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30103810</id>
	<title>URLs to long</title>
	<author>amiga500</author>
	<datestamp>1258220400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>./ seems biased against long URLs.  When I try to paste one from <a href="http://iliil.com/" title="iliil.com" rel="nofollow">http://iliil.com/</a> [iliil.com] or <a href="http://011010.com/" title="011010.com" rel="nofollow">http://011010.com/</a> [011010.com] I get: "Filter error: That's an awful long string of letters there."</htmltext>
<tokenext>./ seems biased against long URLs .
When I try to paste one from http : //iliil.com/ [ iliil.com ] or http : //011010.com/ [ 011010.com ] I get : " Filter error : That 's an awful long string of letters there .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>./ seems biased against long URLs.
When I try to paste one from http://iliil.com/ [iliil.com] or http://011010.com/ [011010.com] I get: "Filter error: That's an awful long string of letters there.
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101470</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30102308</id>
	<title>Re:Why bother?</title>
	<author>Spad</author>
	<datestamp>1258204800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You forgot about the critical function they perform in trolling and rickrolling.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You forgot about the critical function they perform in trolling and rickrolling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You forgot about the critical function they perform in trolling and rickrolling.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101542</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30103160</id>
	<title>Sometimes it makes sense</title>
	<author>wasabioss</author>
	<datestamp>1258214160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not a nig fan of url shortening services, but sometimes it makes sense.</p><p>Sometimes I just want to send a link to my friends with my dumb phone. The problem is that I don't want to type the whole stupid url and I don't want my friends to ask me if it's an Oh or a Zero. In that case, <a href="http://socuteurl.com/" title="socuteurl.com" rel="nofollow">SocuteURL</a> [socuteurl.com] rocks!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not a nig fan of url shortening services , but sometimes it makes sense.Sometimes I just want to send a link to my friends with my dumb phone .
The problem is that I do n't want to type the whole stupid url and I do n't want my friends to ask me if it 's an Oh or a Zero .
In that case , SocuteURL [ socuteurl.com ] rocks !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not a nig fan of url shortening services, but sometimes it makes sense.Sometimes I just want to send a link to my friends with my dumb phone.
The problem is that I don't want to type the whole stupid url and I don't want my friends to ask me if it's an Oh or a Zero.
In that case, SocuteURL [socuteurl.com] rocks!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30102112</id>
	<title>Re:How does one go out of business...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258203060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A "reversible hash" isn't a hash at all. What you're talking about is compression, and compression to a human-readable URL at that (meaning something like Base64 encoding). Unlike with URL shortening services, you won't be able to rely on URLs being a fixed length and some compressed URLs will still be too long.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A " reversible hash " is n't a hash at all .
What you 're talking about is compression , and compression to a human-readable URL at that ( meaning something like Base64 encoding ) .
Unlike with URL shortening services , you wo n't be able to rely on URLs being a fixed length and some compressed URLs will still be too long .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A "reversible hash" isn't a hash at all.
What you're talking about is compression, and compression to a human-readable URL at that (meaning something like Base64 encoding).
Unlike with URL shortening services, you won't be able to rely on URLs being a fixed length and some compressed URLs will still be too long.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101728</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101570</id>
	<title>Slashdot comment shortener</title>
	<author>fph il quozientatore</author>
	<datestamp>1258199160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>qkd2f</htmltext>
<tokenext>qkd2f</tokentext>
<sentencetext>qkd2f</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101516</id>
	<title>awesome of bit.ly to join</title>
	<author>roju</author>
	<datestamp>1258198740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hopefully bit.ly's commitment will force the other common players (tinyurl, tr.im, etc) to join as well. Bit.ly was the only main player on their list so far. A great next-step would be to get the twitter image sites (twitpic, img.ly, etc) on board as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hopefully bit.ly 's commitment will force the other common players ( tinyurl , tr.im , etc ) to join as well .
Bit.ly was the only main player on their list so far .
A great next-step would be to get the twitter image sites ( twitpic , img.ly , etc ) on board as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hopefully bit.ly's commitment will force the other common players (tinyurl, tr.im, etc) to join as well.
Bit.ly was the only main player on their list so far.
A great next-step would be to get the twitter image sites (twitpic, img.ly, etc) on board as well.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101660</id>
	<title>Re:No Subject</title>
	<author>Ethanol-fueled</author>
	<datestamp>1258199940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Excellent. I wish you guys 'd round up some people who've posted under their usernames more recently than 2003. Even the mighty <a href="http://slashdot.org/users.pl?nick=bigblacknigger" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">bigblacknigger</a> [slashdot.org] is in a slump.<br> <br>

The GNAA is in dire need of some new, original, epic troll posts. I would like to help but I'm in a creative slump myself. I'll join your proud organization on the next manic upswing, if I can get myself to watch Gay Niggers from Outer Space in its entirety.<br> <br>

Best wishes!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Excellent .
I wish you guys 'd round up some people who 've posted under their usernames more recently than 2003 .
Even the mighty bigblacknigger [ slashdot.org ] is in a slump .
The GNAA is in dire need of some new , original , epic troll posts .
I would like to help but I 'm in a creative slump myself .
I 'll join your proud organization on the next manic upswing , if I can get myself to watch Gay Niggers from Outer Space in its entirety .
Best wishes !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Excellent.
I wish you guys 'd round up some people who've posted under their usernames more recently than 2003.
Even the mighty bigblacknigger [slashdot.org] is in a slump.
The GNAA is in dire need of some new, original, epic troll posts.
I would like to help but I'm in a creative slump myself.
I'll join your proud organization on the next manic upswing, if I can get myself to watch Gay Niggers from Outer Space in its entirety.
Best wishes!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101440</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30105070</id>
	<title>Re:Why bother?</title>
	<author>pamar</author>
	<datestamp>1258293540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I made my personal business cards using moo (http://us.moo.com). With the design I wanted, putting in my linkedin profile wasn't impossible: it was cut off due to width.</p><p>Therefore I used a Tinyurl, worked like a charm, and now that you can use a sort of alias for them, next time I will use a tinyurl which actually has my name in it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I made my personal business cards using moo ( http : //us.moo.com ) .
With the design I wanted , putting in my linkedin profile was n't impossible : it was cut off due to width.Therefore I used a Tinyurl , worked like a charm , and now that you can use a sort of alias for them , next time I will use a tinyurl which actually has my name in it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I made my personal business cards using moo (http://us.moo.com).
With the design I wanted, putting in my linkedin profile wasn't impossible: it was cut off due to width.Therefore I used a Tinyurl, worked like a charm, and now that you can use a sort of alias for them, next time I will use a tinyurl which actually has my name in it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101542</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30103860</id>
	<title>Re:Problematical</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258221060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thank you Mr. Bush.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thank you Mr. Bush .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thank you Mr. Bush.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101446</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30103762</id>
	<title>Re:BUILD IT IN TO THE SERVICE!!!</title>
	<author>Thing 1</author>
	<datestamp>1258219920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hi, grammar (and spelling!) fails in sig, but judging from post content, it doesn't matter.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hi , grammar ( and spelling !
) fails in sig , but judging from post content , it does n't matter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hi, grammar (and spelling!
) fails in sig, but judging from post content, it doesn't matter.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101912</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30126910</id>
	<title>Re:Problematical</title>
	<author>pimpimpim</author>
	<datestamp>1258450080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>problematicalilisticexpialidocious</htmltext>
<tokenext>problematicalilisticexpialidocious</tokentext>
<sentencetext>problematicalilisticexpialidocious</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30102558</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_184256.30101912</id>
	<title>BUILD IT IN TO THE SERVICE!!!</title>
	<author>Colin Smith</author>
	<datestamp>1258201860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FFS...</p><p>How old is the web now? and we still have muppets producing RIDICULOUS URLs.</p><p>DON'T YOU WANT PEOPLE TO SAVE/READ/SHARE your URLS? Don't you want to make it easy for people to use your service?</p><p>Y'know... There are too many retards in the world. Particularly working in the IT business. We need some more wars, disease or something to "thin the herd".</p><p>Maybe I'll "sponsor a sniper"... How much do hit men cost in California at the moment?</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FFS...How old is the web now ?
and we still have muppets producing RIDICULOUS URLs.DO N'T YOU WANT PEOPLE TO SAVE/READ/SHARE your URLS ?
Do n't you want to make it easy for people to use your service ? Y'know... There are too many retards in the world .
Particularly working in the IT business .
We need some more wars , disease or something to " thin the herd " .Maybe I 'll " sponsor a sniper " ... How much do hit men cost in California at the moment ?
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>FFS...How old is the web now?
and we still have muppets producing RIDICULOUS URLs.DON'T YOU WANT PEOPLE TO SAVE/READ/SHARE your URLS?
Don't you want to make it easy for people to use your service?Y'know... There are too many retards in the world.
Particularly working in the IT business.
We need some more wars, disease or something to "thin the herd".Maybe I'll "sponsor a sniper"... How much do hit men cost in California at the moment?
 </sentencetext>
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