<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_14_1559211</id>
	<title>The Mass Production of Living Tissue</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1258219200000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader sends in this moderately disturbing quote from Gizmodo:
<i>"I'm touching a wet slab of protein, what feels like a paper-thin slice of bologna. It's supple, slimy, but unlike meat, if you were to slice it down the center today, tomorrow the wound would heal. It's <a href="http://gizmodo.com/5401477/meat-band+aids-and-mass-production-of-living-tissue">factory-grown living tissue</a>. The company behind the living, petri-dish-grown substance known as Apligraf hates my new name for it: meat band-aid. 'It's living,' Dr. Damien Bates, Chief Medical Officer at Organogenesis, corrects me. 'Meat isn't living.' But no one argues with me that this substance is really just a band-aid. A living, $1500 band-aid, I should say. Apligraf is a matrix of cow collagen, human fibroblasts and keratinocyte stem cells (from discarded circumcisions), that, when applied to chronic wounds (particularly nasty problems like diabetic sores), can seed healing and regeneration. But Organogenesis is not interested in creating boutique organs for proof of concept scientific advancement. They're a business in the business of mass tissue manufacturing &mdash; and the first of its kind."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader sends in this moderately disturbing quote from Gizmodo : " I 'm touching a wet slab of protein , what feels like a paper-thin slice of bologna .
It 's supple , slimy , but unlike meat , if you were to slice it down the center today , tomorrow the wound would heal .
It 's factory-grown living tissue .
The company behind the living , petri-dish-grown substance known as Apligraf hates my new name for it : meat band-aid .
'It 's living, ' Dr. Damien Bates , Chief Medical Officer at Organogenesis , corrects me .
'Meat is n't living .
' But no one argues with me that this substance is really just a band-aid .
A living , $ 1500 band-aid , I should say .
Apligraf is a matrix of cow collagen , human fibroblasts and keratinocyte stem cells ( from discarded circumcisions ) , that , when applied to chronic wounds ( particularly nasty problems like diabetic sores ) , can seed healing and regeneration .
But Organogenesis is not interested in creating boutique organs for proof of concept scientific advancement .
They 're a business in the business of mass tissue manufacturing    and the first of its kind .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An anonymous reader sends in this moderately disturbing quote from Gizmodo:
"I'm touching a wet slab of protein, what feels like a paper-thin slice of bologna.
It's supple, slimy, but unlike meat, if you were to slice it down the center today, tomorrow the wound would heal.
It's factory-grown living tissue.
The company behind the living, petri-dish-grown substance known as Apligraf hates my new name for it: meat band-aid.
'It's living,' Dr. Damien Bates, Chief Medical Officer at Organogenesis, corrects me.
'Meat isn't living.
' But no one argues with me that this substance is really just a band-aid.
A living, $1500 band-aid, I should say.
Apligraf is a matrix of cow collagen, human fibroblasts and keratinocyte stem cells (from discarded circumcisions), that, when applied to chronic wounds (particularly nasty problems like diabetic sores), can seed healing and regeneration.
But Organogenesis is not interested in creating boutique organs for proof of concept scientific advancement.
They're a business in the business of mass tissue manufacturing — and the first of its kind.
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30102376</id>
	<title>Re:Cannibalism</title>
	<author>wasmoke</author>
	<datestamp>1258205400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You <i>do</i> know what "discarded circumcisions" means, right?</htmltext>
<tokenext>You do know what " discarded circumcisions " means , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You do know what "discarded circumcisions" means, right?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30099252</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30099014</id>
	<title>New ending to that movie:</title>
	<author>Tablizer</author>
	<datestamp>1258224300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Soylent Green is Wankers!</i></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Soylent Green is Wankers !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Soylent Green is Wankers!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30100962</id>
	<title>Just what I've been waiting for!</title>
	<author>gravos</author>
	<datestamp>1258194840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Apligraf is a matrix of cow collagen, human fibroblasts and keratinocyte stem cells (from discarded circumcisions), that, when applied to chronic wounds (particularly nasty problems like diabetic sores), can seed healing and regeneration.</p></div><p>Finally, a band-aid made out of human penises!<br> <br>

Can't believe I didn't think of it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apligraf is a matrix of cow collagen , human fibroblasts and keratinocyte stem cells ( from discarded circumcisions ) , that , when applied to chronic wounds ( particularly nasty problems like diabetic sores ) , can seed healing and regeneration.Finally , a band-aid made out of human penises !
Ca n't believe I did n't think of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apligraf is a matrix of cow collagen, human fibroblasts and keratinocyte stem cells (from discarded circumcisions), that, when applied to chronic wounds (particularly nasty problems like diabetic sores), can seed healing and regeneration.Finally, a band-aid made out of human penises!
Can't believe I didn't think of it.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30102156</id>
	<title>Re:Yes but...</title>
	<author>Onymous Coward</author>
	<datestamp>1258203300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A correction to your quibble, pardon me:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>A vegetarian who is one for health reasons won't be terribly interested in eating meat, regardless of it's origins.</p></div><p>That's one impetus for vegetarianism, as you say.  So I don't mean this kind of vegetarian.  And the foundation of veganism is not anti-meat, it's anti-animal suffering, so I do mean vegan.  ("[T]he word 'veganism' denotes a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude -- as far as is possible and practical -- all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals...")  And this is also why I say it'll be the confounding of <em>dogmatic</em> vegans.  Because dogma dictates prohibition of meat and animal products, whereas the deeper and truer philosophy regards animal suffering.</p><p>And I'm on board with the ethical stance of minimizing suffering for <em>anything that can feel</em>.  Which is why I say that I "love" <em>everyone</em>.  In the context of this conversation, though, it's appropriate to include a double meaning of "love" for piggies.  Mm.</p><p>Regarding Hofstadter's quote, it might be considered simplistic.  It's not mere sentience we should be valuing, but sentience that's well.  Positive experience.  A sentience that is suffering greatly and will always suffer greatly?  I would annihilate it because I care.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>A correction to your quibble , pardon me : A vegetarian who is one for health reasons wo n't be terribly interested in eating meat , regardless of it 's origins.That 's one impetus for vegetarianism , as you say .
So I do n't mean this kind of vegetarian .
And the foundation of veganism is not anti-meat , it 's anti-animal suffering , so I do mean vegan .
( " [ T ] he word 'veganism ' denotes a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude -- as far as is possible and practical -- all forms of exploitation of , and cruelty to , animals... " ) And this is also why I say it 'll be the confounding of dogmatic vegans .
Because dogma dictates prohibition of meat and animal products , whereas the deeper and truer philosophy regards animal suffering.And I 'm on board with the ethical stance of minimizing suffering for anything that can feel .
Which is why I say that I " love " everyone .
In the context of this conversation , though , it 's appropriate to include a double meaning of " love " for piggies .
Mm.Regarding Hofstadter 's quote , it might be considered simplistic .
It 's not mere sentience we should be valuing , but sentience that 's well .
Positive experience .
A sentience that is suffering greatly and will always suffer greatly ?
I would annihilate it because I care .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A correction to your quibble, pardon me:A vegetarian who is one for health reasons won't be terribly interested in eating meat, regardless of it's origins.That's one impetus for vegetarianism, as you say.
So I don't mean this kind of vegetarian.
And the foundation of veganism is not anti-meat, it's anti-animal suffering, so I do mean vegan.
("[T]he word 'veganism' denotes a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude -- as far as is possible and practical -- all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals...")  And this is also why I say it'll be the confounding of dogmatic vegans.
Because dogma dictates prohibition of meat and animal products, whereas the deeper and truer philosophy regards animal suffering.And I'm on board with the ethical stance of minimizing suffering for anything that can feel.
Which is why I say that I "love" everyone.
In the context of this conversation, though, it's appropriate to include a double meaning of "love" for piggies.
Mm.Regarding Hofstadter's quote, it might be considered simplistic.
It's not mere sentience we should be valuing, but sentience that's well.
Positive experience.
A sentience that is suffering greatly and will always suffer greatly?
I would annihilate it because I care.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30100092</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30103204</id>
	<title>Can they grow Spines and Hearts?</title>
	<author>jameskojiro</author>
	<datestamp>1258214700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because if they can grow spines and hearts then they are desperately needed in Washington D.C. stat!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because if they can grow spines and hearts then they are desperately needed in Washington D.C. stat !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because if they can grow spines and hearts then they are desperately needed in Washington D.C. stat!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30100770</id>
	<title>Re:Cannibalism</title>
	<author>Opyros</author>
	<datestamp>1258193040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Auto-cannibalism is not the answer."
&mdash; <i>the Zork trilogy</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Auto-cannibalism is not the answer .
"    the Zork trilogy</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Auto-cannibalism is not the answer.
"
— the Zork trilogy</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30099252</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30113642</id>
	<title>This is going to be so wrong...</title>
	<author>Genda</author>
	<datestamp>1258372560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You idiot, that's not the band-aid... that's the lunch meat!!!</p><p>Then what the hell did we have for lunch with the soup!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You idiot , that 's not the band-aid... that 's the lunch meat ! !
! Then what the hell did we have for lunch with the soup ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You idiot, that's not the band-aid... that's the lunch meat!!
!Then what the hell did we have for lunch with the soup!!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30100514</id>
	<title>Re:Science Fiction Reality</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1258191120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder how soon until they have it to the point where these slices are vacuum packed and you can open it and stuff it into a sandwich.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder how soon until they have it to the point where these slices are vacuum packed and you can open it and stuff it into a sandwich .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder how soon until they have it to the point where these slices are vacuum packed and you can open it and stuff it into a sandwich.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30098762</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30099242</id>
	<title>Hmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258225980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds like the first step to a T-800.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like the first step to a T-800 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like the first step to a T-800.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30098738</id>
	<title>Alternative.</title>
	<author>Luke727</author>
	<datestamp>1258222860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just pay me $20 and I'll fuck your girlfriend instead.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just pay me $ 20 and I 'll fuck your girlfriend instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just pay me $20 and I'll fuck your girlfriend instead.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30098818</id>
	<title>By 2012...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258223280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...this tech will finally deliver fully realized COTS pornstar-branded vaginas. At which point the world will end.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...this tech will finally deliver fully realized COTS pornstar-branded vaginas .
At which point the world will end .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...this tech will finally deliver fully realized COTS pornstar-branded vaginas.
At which point the world will end.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30100644</id>
	<title>Re:Science Fiction Reality</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258192140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> <i>I wonder how soon until they have it to the point where these slices are vacuum packed and you can open it and stuff it into a wound</i></p></div> </blockquote><p>
Does this question come about from the fact they are made from pieces of discarded cock?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder how soon until they have it to the point where these slices are vacuum packed and you can open it and stuff it into a wound Does this question come about from the fact they are made from pieces of discarded cock ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I wonder how soon until they have it to the point where these slices are vacuum packed and you can open it and stuff it into a wound 
Does this question come about from the fact they are made from pieces of discarded cock?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30098762</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30101894</id>
	<title>Halolz</title>
	<author>PlasmaEye</author>
	<datestamp>1258201680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That gives a whole new meaning to the term "teabagging."</htmltext>
<tokenext>That gives a whole new meaning to the term " teabagging .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That gives a whole new meaning to the term "teabagging.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30098762</id>
	<title>Science Fiction Reality</title>
	<author>Shadow Wrought</author>
	<datestamp>1258222980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Many a SciFi story I've read has used this kind of thing for wounds.  I wonder how soon until they have it to the point where these slices are vacuum packed and you can open it and stuff it into a wound in the field?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Many a SciFi story I 've read has used this kind of thing for wounds .
I wonder how soon until they have it to the point where these slices are vacuum packed and you can open it and stuff it into a wound in the field ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many a SciFi story I've read has used this kind of thing for wounds.
I wonder how soon until they have it to the point where these slices are vacuum packed and you can open it and stuff it into a wound in the field?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30098766</id>
	<title>from discarded circumcisions</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258222980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So when you rub your scars you induce swelling!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So when you rub your scars you induce swelling !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So when you rub your scars you induce swelling!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30106900</id>
	<title>Begun has it, the Great Sith Era</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258311300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>where meat will be manufactured, correctly, without guilt of murder of organisms. A new imposed check will eventually be needed to fight the long-term medical consequences of artificial meat, with no warnings like climate change this time. Its better than the brutal past, of course, but tailored meat will make super soldiers even more attractive. The Sith Tradition is now born in full glory.<br>The best presently known antidote to excesses in this direction is<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... The Matrix !!</p><p>Life just became a whole lot more complicated, guys.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>where meat will be manufactured , correctly , without guilt of murder of organisms .
A new imposed check will eventually be needed to fight the long-term medical consequences of artificial meat , with no warnings like climate change this time .
Its better than the brutal past , of course , but tailored meat will make super soldiers even more attractive .
The Sith Tradition is now born in full glory.The best presently known antidote to excesses in this direction is ... The Matrix !
! Life just became a whole lot more complicated , guys .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>where meat will be manufactured, correctly, without guilt of murder of organisms.
A new imposed check will eventually be needed to fight the long-term medical consequences of artificial meat, with no warnings like climate change this time.
Its better than the brutal past, of course, but tailored meat will make super soldiers even more attractive.
The Sith Tradition is now born in full glory.The best presently known antidote to excesses in this direction is ... The Matrix !
!Life just became a whole lot more complicated, guys.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30103594</id>
	<title>Re:The story behind Apligraf</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258218480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You don't see the reason that profiting off of genital mutilation is disturbing? Jesus fucking christ.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't see the reason that profiting off of genital mutilation is disturbing ?
Jesus fucking christ .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't see the reason that profiting off of genital mutilation is disturbing?
Jesus fucking christ.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30099390</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30104648</id>
	<title>Re:Yes but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258318140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not that us Omnivores hate Vegetarians. It's the ones that are self-righteous OMG YOU SICK BASTARD YOU'RE CAUSING PAAAAAIIIIIN kinds of Vegetarians that I myself cannot stand.</p><p>If it tastes good and isn't completely lethal, then I'm going to eat it.</p><p>But to be honest, the idea of not wanting to cause suffering is a little naive, it's the world we live in.</p><p>Suffering and pain is pretty much a part of the package.</p><p>Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go listen to Linkin Park.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not that us Omnivores hate Vegetarians .
It 's the ones that are self-righteous OMG YOU SICK BASTARD YOU 'RE CAUSING PAAAAAIIIIIN kinds of Vegetarians that I myself can not stand.If it tastes good and is n't completely lethal , then I 'm going to eat it.But to be honest , the idea of not wanting to cause suffering is a little naive , it 's the world we live in.Suffering and pain is pretty much a part of the package.Now if you 'll excuse me , I 'm going to go listen to Linkin Park .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not that us Omnivores hate Vegetarians.
It's the ones that are self-righteous OMG YOU SICK BASTARD YOU'RE CAUSING PAAAAAIIIIIN kinds of Vegetarians that I myself cannot stand.If it tastes good and isn't completely lethal, then I'm going to eat it.But to be honest, the idea of not wanting to cause suffering is a little naive, it's the world we live in.Suffering and pain is pretty much a part of the package.Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go listen to Linkin Park.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30108988</id>
	<title>Re:Yes but...</title>
	<author>lennier</author>
	<datestamp>1258280220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"I would annihilate it because I care."</p><p>That would look good on an emo-industrial T-shirt.</p><p>But as a guide to ethical living? Not sure I'd really want to go there. You saw Season 6 Buffy right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" I would annihilate it because I care .
" That would look good on an emo-industrial T-shirt.But as a guide to ethical living ?
Not sure I 'd really want to go there .
You saw Season 6 Buffy right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I would annihilate it because I care.
"That would look good on an emo-industrial T-shirt.But as a guide to ethical living?
Not sure I'd really want to go there.
You saw Season 6 Buffy right?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30102156</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30098914</id>
	<title>Hopefully  portends more</title>
	<author>earlymon</author>
	<datestamp>1258223760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This sounds like incredibly great news for burn victims, given development.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This sounds like incredibly great news for burn victims , given development .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This sounds like incredibly great news for burn victims, given development.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30102738</id>
	<title>Re:Yes but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258208580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am deeply sorry to hear of your damaged existence. You may not be aware of your state, but it pains me to see you in it, and I do not believe that you can genuinely be experiencing a satisfying existence in your current condition.</p><p>May you someday find the path to enjoying bacon. I'll do whatever the Atheist substitute for praying for you is (hoping for you?).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am deeply sorry to hear of your damaged existence .
You may not be aware of your state , but it pains me to see you in it , and I do not believe that you can genuinely be experiencing a satisfying existence in your current condition.May you someday find the path to enjoying bacon .
I 'll do whatever the Atheist substitute for praying for you is ( hoping for you ?
) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am deeply sorry to hear of your damaged existence.
You may not be aware of your state, but it pains me to see you in it, and I do not believe that you can genuinely be experiencing a satisfying existence in your current condition.May you someday find the path to enjoying bacon.
I'll do whatever the Atheist substitute for praying for you is (hoping for you?
).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30100092</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30103416</id>
	<title>Re:Literature much?</title>
	<author>budgenator</author>
	<datestamp>1258217160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>their product has been used on a 1/4 million people so it  isn't new.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>their product has been used on a 1/4 million people so it is n't new .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>their product has been used on a 1/4 million people so it  isn't new.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30098968</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30101960</id>
	<title>Streisand Effect</title>
	<author>SeNtM</author>
	<datestamp>1258202100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Duh...<br> <br>

<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand\_effect" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Streisand Effect</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Duh.. . Streisand Effect [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Duh... 

Streisand Effect [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30104214</id>
	<title>Re:Science Fiction Reality</title>
	<author>LoRdTAW</author>
	<datestamp>1258225200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I wonder how soon until they have it to the point where these slices are vacuum packed and you can open it and stuff it into a wound in the field?</p></div><p>Or slather on some mayo and put it on whole wheat for a battle ready meal.</p><p>Arrgh! Sarge! Iv been hit!<br>Here solder, take my sandwich!<br>(takes bite of sandwich and then mushes it onto wound)<br>Thanks sir! That was delicious!</p><p>Oscar Mayer should look into this.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder how soon until they have it to the point where these slices are vacuum packed and you can open it and stuff it into a wound in the field ? Or slather on some mayo and put it on whole wheat for a battle ready meal.Arrgh !
Sarge ! Iv been hit ! Here solder , take my sandwich !
( takes bite of sandwich and then mushes it onto wound ) Thanks sir !
That was delicious ! Oscar Mayer should look into this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder how soon until they have it to the point where these slices are vacuum packed and you can open it and stuff it into a wound in the field?Or slather on some mayo and put it on whole wheat for a battle ready meal.Arrgh!
Sarge! Iv been hit!Here solder, take my sandwich!
(takes bite of sandwich and then mushes it onto wound)Thanks sir!
That was delicious!Oscar Mayer should look into this.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30098762</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30099802</id>
	<title>Re:Yes but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258229460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Apligraf is a matrix of <strong>cow collagen</strong>, human fibroblasts and keratinocyte stem cells (from discarded circumcisions)</p></div></blockquote><p>Not quite vegetarian yet.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apligraf is a matrix of cow collagen , human fibroblasts and keratinocyte stem cells ( from discarded circumcisions ) Not quite vegetarian yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apligraf is a matrix of cow collagen, human fibroblasts and keratinocyte stem cells (from discarded circumcisions)Not quite vegetarian yet.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30099188</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30099036</id>
	<title>SOYLENT</title>
	<author>oDDmON oUT</author>
	<datestamp>1258224420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Band-Aid&#174;?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Band-Aid   ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Band-Aid®?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30100044</id>
	<title>You Fail fIt?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258231200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">series of intern4l</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>series of intern4l [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>series of intern4l [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30115130</id>
	<title>Re:Donated? Really?</title>
	<author>LanMan04</author>
	<datestamp>1258386180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No one pressured me to circumcise my son, my wife and I made the choice long before we went to the hospital.  And it was done with a local, so almost pain-free.</p><p>I also wasn't given the option to donate it, which I would have done if I had known about this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No one pressured me to circumcise my son , my wife and I made the choice long before we went to the hospital .
And it was done with a local , so almost pain-free.I also was n't given the option to donate it , which I would have done if I had known about this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No one pressured me to circumcise my son, my wife and I made the choice long before we went to the hospital.
And it was done with a local, so almost pain-free.I also wasn't given the option to donate it, which I would have done if I had known about this.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30102226</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30100192</id>
	<title>Too bad</title>
	<author>CranberryKing</author>
	<datestamp>1258232040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Mohel's cat will be disappointed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Mohel 's cat will be disappointed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Mohel's cat will be disappointed.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30110160</id>
	<title>Re:Yes but...</title>
	<author>StuartHankins</author>
	<datestamp>1258289040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You've given me a lot to think about. I'll have to think about your comments over a cheeseburger and shake.<br> <br>Veggies aren't really food -- they're what <em>food eats</em>. You guys will be delicious when we run out of cows.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 've given me a lot to think about .
I 'll have to think about your comments over a cheeseburger and shake .
Veggies are n't really food -- they 're what food eats .
You guys will be delicious when we run out of cows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You've given me a lot to think about.
I'll have to think about your comments over a cheeseburger and shake.
Veggies aren't really food -- they're what food eats.
You guys will be delicious when we run out of cows.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30100092</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30100336</id>
	<title>Re:The story behind Apligraf</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258189740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's mildly disturbing because it's a step away from being a non-sentient, but still genetically human creature.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's mildly disturbing because it 's a step away from being a non-sentient , but still genetically human creature .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's mildly disturbing because it's a step away from being a non-sentient, but still genetically human creature.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30099390</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30099954</id>
	<title>Re:Cannibalism</title>
	<author>Gori</author>
	<datestamp>1258230600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Obligatory genious from "The Parking Lot is Full" :<br><a href="http://plif.courageunfettered.com/archive/wc263.gif" title="courageunfettered.com">http://plif.courageunfettered.com/archive/wc263.gif</a> [courageunfettered.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Obligatory genious from " The Parking Lot is Full " : http : //plif.courageunfettered.com/archive/wc263.gif [ courageunfettered.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obligatory genious from "The Parking Lot is Full" :http://plif.courageunfettered.com/archive/wc263.gif [courageunfettered.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30099252</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30105018</id>
	<title>Edible?</title>
	<author>conscarcdr</author>
	<datestamp>1258292940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Allah be merciful! Is it Halal?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Allah be merciful !
Is it Halal ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Allah be merciful!
Is it Halal?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30100408</id>
	<title>Mmm.. Cancer...</title>
	<author>GastronomicalEvent</author>
	<datestamp>1258190400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I had a friend who once thought of using cancer based tumors on cattle to make the most anti-PETA meat known to man.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I had a friend who once thought of using cancer based tumors on cattle to make the most anti-PETA meat known to man .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had a friend who once thought of using cancer based tumors on cattle to make the most anti-PETA meat known to man.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30099968</id>
	<title>Yum!</title>
	<author>SystemFault</author>
	<datestamp>1258230720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Somehow I was reminded of this story:</p><p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8360569.stm" title="bbc.co.uk">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8360569.stm</a> [bbc.co.uk]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Somehow I was reminded of this story : http : //news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8360569.stm [ bbc.co.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Somehow I was reminded of this story:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8360569.stm [bbc.co.uk]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30099058</id>
	<title>Re:from discarded circumcisions</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258224660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So when you rub your scars you induce swelling!</p></div><p>I think we've only seen the <i>tip</i> of the iceberg in regards to this technology's potential.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So when you rub your scars you induce swelling ! I think we 've only seen the tip of the iceberg in regards to this technology 's potential .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So when you rub your scars you induce swelling!I think we've only seen the tip of the iceberg in regards to this technology's potential.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30098766</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30099094</id>
	<title>Oh dear you look badly hurt...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258224840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>let me put a penis on that for you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>let me put a penis on that for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>let me put a penis on that for you.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30107050</id>
	<title>Re:UNlike mean?? WTF?</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1258312380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Generally, by the time an animal is regarded as being meat, it is not alive...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Generally , by the time an animal is regarded as being meat , it is not alive.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Generally, by the time an animal is regarded as being meat, it is not alive...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30099126</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30102876</id>
	<title>Re:Yes but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258210260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Is it defensible that we take life away from other sentient creatures</p></div><p>Yes.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it defensible that we take life away from other sentient creaturesYes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it defensible that we take life away from other sentient creaturesYes.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30100092</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30099252</id>
	<title>Cannibalism</title>
	<author>AliasMarlowe</author>
	<datestamp>1258225980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sounds really promising for those who want to be cannibals. Just grow it using samples from your tastier friends (or from yourself, for the ultimate: survivable self-cannibalism). The price might have to come down a little, of course, or it will remain an expensive delicacy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds really promising for those who want to be cannibals .
Just grow it using samples from your tastier friends ( or from yourself , for the ultimate : survivable self-cannibalism ) .
The price might have to come down a little , of course , or it will remain an expensive delicacy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds really promising for those who want to be cannibals.
Just grow it using samples from your tastier friends (or from yourself, for the ultimate: survivable self-cannibalism).
The price might have to come down a little, of course, or it will remain an expensive delicacy.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30098762</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30098814</id>
	<title>Yes but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258223280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>how does it taste?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>how does it taste ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>how does it taste?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30099636</id>
	<title>Re:Science Fiction Reality</title>
	<author>TheNarrator</author>
	<datestamp>1258228560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder when this thing will be included in a kit with a tendon stapler (of Johnny Mnemoic fame).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder when this thing will be included in a kit with a tendon stapler ( of Johnny Mnemoic fame ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder when this thing will be included in a kit with a tendon stapler (of Johnny Mnemoic fame).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30098762</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30102226</id>
	<title>Donated? Really?</title>
	<author>hg1954</author>
	<datestamp>1258204080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Engineered skin products may well be great products with many uses. But there's a serious ethical problem with using foreskins taken from, not donated by, non-consenting minors.<p>
So what's the big deal, boys are going to be circumcised anyway, why not profit from it?</p><p>
It's the profit motive that's the problem.</p><p>
Parents report being pressured by hospital staff to circumcise their newborn sons. In fact, the anti-circumcision organization IntactAmerica.org was originally funded by couple in response to their disgust at having been pressured to have their boy cut.</p><p>
Infant boys' foreskins may be very valuable to tissue engineering companies but they are more valuable and rightfully belong to the boys themselves.</p><p>
Infant circumcision is an unnecessary amputation that cannot be refused by the prospective amputee himself. That makes it a forced amputation, a very serious human rights violation.</p><p>
Circumcision advocates within the CDC are now pushing to get the agency to endorse circumcision as an HIV preventative. Sounds great,  but if you read further there is no real claim of effectiveness. You still have to wear a condom if you want to be actually protected from infection. The circumcision-HIV experiment has already been conducted on a mass scale and the result was negative. America has the highest circumcision rate in the developed world and also the highest HIV rate. Perhaps that's why circumcision advocates are careful to say that you still need to wear a condom. Being cut is simply of no use in fighting HIV.</p><p>
So why push parents to have their baby boy cut when it's not going to protect him from anything?</p><p>
Follow the money. Amputating infant foreskins is a billion dollar business. And now someone else wants his foreskin, the tissue engineering companies.</p><p>
The mass production of living tissue would be a fine development if it didn't depend on infant foreskins. Treating non-consenting minors as a source of spare parts violates our most basic ethical standards.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Engineered skin products may well be great products with many uses .
But there 's a serious ethical problem with using foreskins taken from , not donated by , non-consenting minors .
So what 's the big deal , boys are going to be circumcised anyway , why not profit from it ?
It 's the profit motive that 's the problem .
Parents report being pressured by hospital staff to circumcise their newborn sons .
In fact , the anti-circumcision organization IntactAmerica.org was originally funded by couple in response to their disgust at having been pressured to have their boy cut .
Infant boys ' foreskins may be very valuable to tissue engineering companies but they are more valuable and rightfully belong to the boys themselves .
Infant circumcision is an unnecessary amputation that can not be refused by the prospective amputee himself .
That makes it a forced amputation , a very serious human rights violation .
Circumcision advocates within the CDC are now pushing to get the agency to endorse circumcision as an HIV preventative .
Sounds great , but if you read further there is no real claim of effectiveness .
You still have to wear a condom if you want to be actually protected from infection .
The circumcision-HIV experiment has already been conducted on a mass scale and the result was negative .
America has the highest circumcision rate in the developed world and also the highest HIV rate .
Perhaps that 's why circumcision advocates are careful to say that you still need to wear a condom .
Being cut is simply of no use in fighting HIV .
So why push parents to have their baby boy cut when it 's not going to protect him from anything ?
Follow the money .
Amputating infant foreskins is a billion dollar business .
And now someone else wants his foreskin , the tissue engineering companies .
The mass production of living tissue would be a fine development if it did n't depend on infant foreskins .
Treating non-consenting minors as a source of spare parts violates our most basic ethical standards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Engineered skin products may well be great products with many uses.
But there's a serious ethical problem with using foreskins taken from, not donated by, non-consenting minors.
So what's the big deal, boys are going to be circumcised anyway, why not profit from it?
It's the profit motive that's the problem.
Parents report being pressured by hospital staff to circumcise their newborn sons.
In fact, the anti-circumcision organization IntactAmerica.org was originally funded by couple in response to their disgust at having been pressured to have their boy cut.
Infant boys' foreskins may be very valuable to tissue engineering companies but they are more valuable and rightfully belong to the boys themselves.
Infant circumcision is an unnecessary amputation that cannot be refused by the prospective amputee himself.
That makes it a forced amputation, a very serious human rights violation.
Circumcision advocates within the CDC are now pushing to get the agency to endorse circumcision as an HIV preventative.
Sounds great,  but if you read further there is no real claim of effectiveness.
You still have to wear a condom if you want to be actually protected from infection.
The circumcision-HIV experiment has already been conducted on a mass scale and the result was negative.
America has the highest circumcision rate in the developed world and also the highest HIV rate.
Perhaps that's why circumcision advocates are careful to say that you still need to wear a condom.
Being cut is simply of no use in fighting HIV.
So why push parents to have their baby boy cut when it's not going to protect him from anything?
Follow the money.
Amputating infant foreskins is a billion dollar business.
And now someone else wants his foreskin, the tissue engineering companies.
The mass production of living tissue would be a fine development if it didn't depend on infant foreskins.
Treating non-consenting minors as a source of spare parts violates our most basic ethical standards.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30099188</id>
	<title>Re:Yes but...</title>
	<author>Onymous Coward</author>
	<datestamp>1258225560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In vitro meat will be the confounding of dogmatic, righteous vegans everywhere.</p><p>For the more reasonable vegans it'll be that long-lost opportunity to finally eat some goddamned bacon again.  Mm... I love the piggies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In vitro meat will be the confounding of dogmatic , righteous vegans everywhere.For the more reasonable vegans it 'll be that long-lost opportunity to finally eat some goddamned bacon again .
Mm... I love the piggies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In vitro meat will be the confounding of dogmatic, righteous vegans everywhere.For the more reasonable vegans it'll be that long-lost opportunity to finally eat some goddamned bacon again.
Mm... I love the piggies.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30098814</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30103442</id>
	<title>If you want to have a warm winter,Start here.</title>
	<author>coolforsale132</author>
	<datestamp>1258217400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.coolforsale.com/" title="coolforsale.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.coolforsale.com/</a> [coolforsale.com]   Best quality, Best reputation , Best services Our commitment, customer is God. Quality is our Dignity; Service is our Lift. Ladies and Gentlemen weicome to my coolforsale.com.Here,there are the most fashion products . Pass by but don't miss it.Select your favorite clothing! Welcome to come next time ! Thank you! Air jordan(1-24)shoes $33 Nike shox(R4,NZ,OZ,TL1,TL2,TL3) $35 Handbags(Coach lv fendi d&amp;g) $35 Tshirts (Polo<nobr> <wbr></nobr>,ed hardy,lacoste) $16 free shipping competitive price any size available accept the paypal Thanks</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.coolforsale.com/ [ coolforsale.com ] Best quality , Best reputation , Best services Our commitment , customer is God .
Quality is our Dignity ; Service is our Lift .
Ladies and Gentlemen weicome to my coolforsale.com.Here,there are the most fashion products .
Pass by but do n't miss it.Select your favorite clothing !
Welcome to come next time !
Thank you !
Air jordan ( 1-24 ) shoes $ 33 Nike shox ( R4,NZ,OZ,TL1,TL2,TL3 ) $ 35 Handbags ( Coach lv fendi d&amp;g ) $ 35 Tshirts ( Polo ,ed hardy,lacoste ) $ 16 free shipping competitive price any size available accept the paypal Thanks</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.coolforsale.com/ [coolforsale.com]   Best quality, Best reputation , Best services Our commitment, customer is God.
Quality is our Dignity; Service is our Lift.
Ladies and Gentlemen weicome to my coolforsale.com.Here,there are the most fashion products .
Pass by but don't miss it.Select your favorite clothing!
Welcome to come next time !
Thank you!
Air jordan(1-24)shoes $33 Nike shox(R4,NZ,OZ,TL1,TL2,TL3) $35 Handbags(Coach lv fendi d&amp;g) $35 Tshirts (Polo ,ed hardy,lacoste) $16 free shipping competitive price any size available accept the paypal Thanks</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30099286</id>
	<title>If ever I heard an argument</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258226160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://tinyurl.com/d6dfk" title="tinyurl.com" rel="nofollow">against circumcision</a> [tinyurl.com] this is it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>against circumcision [ tinyurl.com ] this is it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>against circumcision [tinyurl.com] this is it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30104888</id>
	<title>With apologies to Charlton Heston:</title>
	<author>CuteSteveJobs</author>
	<datestamp>1258279800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Solyent Green is Foreskins! Solyent Green is discarded Foreskins! No. Really. They collect them for the keratinocyte stem cells. It's all quite safe."</p><p>Doesn't have quite the same punch, but at least it's corrected for accuracy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Solyent Green is Foreskins !
Solyent Green is discarded Foreskins !
No. Really .
They collect them for the keratinocyte stem cells .
It 's all quite safe .
" Does n't have quite the same punch , but at least it 's corrected for accuracy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Solyent Green is Foreskins!
Solyent Green is discarded Foreskins!
No. Really.
They collect them for the keratinocyte stem cells.
It's all quite safe.
"Doesn't have quite the same punch, but at least it's corrected for accuracy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30099126</id>
	<title>UNlike mean?? WTF?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1258225200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>but unlike meat, if you were to slice it down the center today, tomorrow the wound would heal.</p> </div><p>Yeah, because there never even was a animal who cut itself, and where then the wound healed...</p><p>FAIL</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>but unlike meat , if you were to slice it down the center today , tomorrow the wound would heal .
Yeah , because there never even was a animal who cut itself , and where then the wound healed...FAIL</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but unlike meat, if you were to slice it down the center today, tomorrow the wound would heal.
Yeah, because there never even was a animal who cut itself, and where then the wound healed...FAIL
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30099066</id>
	<title>they have done this before with tragid results..</title>
	<author>drewsup</author>
	<datestamp>1258224720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>The hospital in question was using disused foreskin to create eyelids for burn victims. Alas, they all turned out to be cock-eyed after the procedure!</htmltext>
<tokenext>The hospital in question was using disused foreskin to create eyelids for burn victims .
Alas , they all turned out to be cock-eyed after the procedure !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The hospital in question was using disused foreskin to create eyelids for burn victims.
Alas, they all turned out to be cock-eyed after the procedure!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30116998</id>
	<title>Re:Yes but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258394280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You know what carrion tastes like?</p><p>I see why you gave up meat and stayed off it, then.  *smile*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know what carrion tastes like ? I see why you gave up meat and stayed off it , then .
* smile *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know what carrion tastes like?I see why you gave up meat and stayed off it, then.
*smile*</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30100092</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30103876</id>
	<title>Religious/Cultural objections</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258221180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Those kind of objections would be generally irrelevant but damn they went for the trifecta here. Cows for the hindus, stem cells for the other morons and discarded circumcisions!! for the regular folk to be grossed out by.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Those kind of objections would be generally irrelevant but damn they went for the trifecta here .
Cows for the hindus , stem cells for the other morons and discarded circumcisions ! !
for the regular folk to be grossed out by .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those kind of objections would be generally irrelevant but damn they went for the trifecta here.
Cows for the hindus, stem cells for the other morons and discarded circumcisions!!
for the regular folk to be grossed out by.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30099238</id>
	<title>Could you clarify?</title>
	<author>Eevee</author>
	<datestamp>1258225920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It's supple, slimy, but unlike meat</p></div></blockquote><p>Now, is this the new protein or the bologna?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's supple , slimy , but unlike meatNow , is this the new protein or the bologna ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's supple, slimy, but unlike meatNow, is this the new protein or the bologna?
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30098888</id>
	<title>Living skin over a metal endoskeleton</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258223640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So when do we start rolling terminators off the assembly lines?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So when do we start rolling terminators off the assembly lines ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So when do we start rolling terminators off the assembly lines?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30098968</id>
	<title>Literature much?</title>
	<author>Orleron</author>
	<datestamp>1258224060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't get why this is news.  This company and this product have been around for like 20 years.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't get why this is news .
This company and this product have been around for like 20 years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't get why this is news.
This company and this product have been around for like 20 years.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30108586</id>
	<title>Re:Science Fiction Reality</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258277760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can't vacuum-pack living tissue; it needs oxygen to survive, like any other living thing (short of anaerobic bacteria, viruses, and single-celled or simple organisms that can go into stasis). As for TOP, they're correct; meat isn't living.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You ca n't vacuum-pack living tissue ; it needs oxygen to survive , like any other living thing ( short of anaerobic bacteria , viruses , and single-celled or simple organisms that can go into stasis ) .
As for TOP , they 're correct ; meat is n't living .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can't vacuum-pack living tissue; it needs oxygen to survive, like any other living thing (short of anaerobic bacteria, viruses, and single-celled or simple organisms that can go into stasis).
As for TOP, they're correct; meat isn't living.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30098762</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30099390</id>
	<title>The story behind Apligraf</title>
	<author>az-saguaro</author>
	<datestamp>1258226820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am not sure why this item was introduced as "moderately disturbing".  If you will permit me, I will explain what it is, since I use it regularly.  (I have no stock nor other biased affiliation with the company or product.)  The product first came on the market in 1998, over 10 years ago.  It has a well-established place in the treatment of chronic wounds.  It is not the only product in the category of "living cell therapies" for chronic wounds.  The other product is Dermagraft, similar, and likewise around for nearly 10 years.  When Apligraf first came out, it was promoted as skin-graft-in-a-box.  It is not.  It is allogeneic material (recipients will reject it), and thus it does not "take" to the body like an autogenous skin graft.  In its earliest years, when the company was promoting it as a skin graft, it got some high profile press because it was put to good use as readily available biological coverage for burn victims of the 9-11-2001 twin towers catastrophe.  The company that makes it, Organogenesis, partnered with pharma giant Novartis for marketing and product management, and under them, they listened to customers who told them it was not skin grafts in a box, and they redefined its marketing for chronic wounds.  The product management has been back in the hands of Organogenesis for about 3 or 4 years now.</p><p>The material is essentially a poly-pharmaceutical packaged in a living material.  The raw materials come from donated foreskins.  Extensive safety testing is done.  Pure extracted fibroblasts are put into cell culture, where they do their business and re-form a collagen matrix equivalent to normal dermis.  After that, pure keratinocytes are cultured on top of the dermis, and an epidermis forms.  The product is shipped in its petri dish, as a circle of 44 sq cm area.  The Gizmodo article shows a picture of it.  As a living material, its procurement and handling are a bit different than most medical devices, but it is easy to get and apply.</p><p>The juvenile cells in the material make a broad spectrum of growth factors and other biochemicals which have a positive pro-proliferative effect on wounds.  The role for this material is for chronic and pathological wounds.  The company got its market approval and indications from the FDA for studies done on diabetic and venous ulcers, but the material is useful for chronic and pathological ("cap") wounds of any cause.  Like anything else, it does not work for all wounds or patients, but it is fairly predictable, and its results can be rather dramatic.  When a cap wound of whatever cause has been treated to the point that disease is quiet, inflammation is gone, and the wound should be healing but it is not, then that is when wound stimulatory therapies are applied.  There are several available, and Apligraf has been one of the flagship products in this category for 10 years now.  Many wounds which simply will not budge no matter what will take off and heal once this is applied.</p><p>Organogenesis has its first new product coming out soon, for oral mucosa and gingiva, so perhaps that is why they are trying to stir up some attention with articles like the one quoted.  However, it is not Brave New World nor Coma nor any other meat factory.  It is just on the leading edge of biological therapeutics in the 21st century.  And if Slashdotters want to make lots of jokes as they often do, like "put Viagra in the petri dish to grow more", well, we've already heard them all.</p><p>(All very timely, since I just gave a presentation on this last week (and have been for 8 years).  If you want to learn more, I posted a copy of the presentation on the website I use for posting talks and presentations and whatnot.  This particular talk has a mix of my slides and company slides.  It is NOT yet annotated with full text on each slide, so some will just be pictures and you will have to infer what you can, but text should be coming one of these days:<br><a href="http://www.arimedica.com/content/arimedica\_apligraf\_(partially\%20annotated)\_2005-1006.pdf" title="arimedica.com">http://www.arimedica.com/content/arimedica\_apligraf\_(partially\%20annotated)\_2005-1006.pdf</a> [arimedica.com]<br>Again, I have no investment nor bias here, I just use this stuff in practice because it works and it's an important product.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am not sure why this item was introduced as " moderately disturbing " .
If you will permit me , I will explain what it is , since I use it regularly .
( I have no stock nor other biased affiliation with the company or product .
) The product first came on the market in 1998 , over 10 years ago .
It has a well-established place in the treatment of chronic wounds .
It is not the only product in the category of " living cell therapies " for chronic wounds .
The other product is Dermagraft , similar , and likewise around for nearly 10 years .
When Apligraf first came out , it was promoted as skin-graft-in-a-box .
It is not .
It is allogeneic material ( recipients will reject it ) , and thus it does not " take " to the body like an autogenous skin graft .
In its earliest years , when the company was promoting it as a skin graft , it got some high profile press because it was put to good use as readily available biological coverage for burn victims of the 9-11-2001 twin towers catastrophe .
The company that makes it , Organogenesis , partnered with pharma giant Novartis for marketing and product management , and under them , they listened to customers who told them it was not skin grafts in a box , and they redefined its marketing for chronic wounds .
The product management has been back in the hands of Organogenesis for about 3 or 4 years now.The material is essentially a poly-pharmaceutical packaged in a living material .
The raw materials come from donated foreskins .
Extensive safety testing is done .
Pure extracted fibroblasts are put into cell culture , where they do their business and re-form a collagen matrix equivalent to normal dermis .
After that , pure keratinocytes are cultured on top of the dermis , and an epidermis forms .
The product is shipped in its petri dish , as a circle of 44 sq cm area .
The Gizmodo article shows a picture of it .
As a living material , its procurement and handling are a bit different than most medical devices , but it is easy to get and apply.The juvenile cells in the material make a broad spectrum of growth factors and other biochemicals which have a positive pro-proliferative effect on wounds .
The role for this material is for chronic and pathological wounds .
The company got its market approval and indications from the FDA for studies done on diabetic and venous ulcers , but the material is useful for chronic and pathological ( " cap " ) wounds of any cause .
Like anything else , it does not work for all wounds or patients , but it is fairly predictable , and its results can be rather dramatic .
When a cap wound of whatever cause has been treated to the point that disease is quiet , inflammation is gone , and the wound should be healing but it is not , then that is when wound stimulatory therapies are applied .
There are several available , and Apligraf has been one of the flagship products in this category for 10 years now .
Many wounds which simply will not budge no matter what will take off and heal once this is applied.Organogenesis has its first new product coming out soon , for oral mucosa and gingiva , so perhaps that is why they are trying to stir up some attention with articles like the one quoted .
However , it is not Brave New World nor Coma nor any other meat factory .
It is just on the leading edge of biological therapeutics in the 21st century .
And if Slashdotters want to make lots of jokes as they often do , like " put Viagra in the petri dish to grow more " , well , we 've already heard them all .
( All very timely , since I just gave a presentation on this last week ( and have been for 8 years ) .
If you want to learn more , I posted a copy of the presentation on the website I use for posting talks and presentations and whatnot .
This particular talk has a mix of my slides and company slides .
It is NOT yet annotated with full text on each slide , so some will just be pictures and you will have to infer what you can , but text should be coming one of these days : http : //www.arimedica.com/content/arimedica \ _apligraf \ _ ( partially \ % 20annotated ) \ _2005-1006.pdf [ arimedica.com ] Again , I have no investment nor bias here , I just use this stuff in practice because it works and it 's an important product .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am not sure why this item was introduced as "moderately disturbing".
If you will permit me, I will explain what it is, since I use it regularly.
(I have no stock nor other biased affiliation with the company or product.
)  The product first came on the market in 1998, over 10 years ago.
It has a well-established place in the treatment of chronic wounds.
It is not the only product in the category of "living cell therapies" for chronic wounds.
The other product is Dermagraft, similar, and likewise around for nearly 10 years.
When Apligraf first came out, it was promoted as skin-graft-in-a-box.
It is not.
It is allogeneic material (recipients will reject it), and thus it does not "take" to the body like an autogenous skin graft.
In its earliest years, when the company was promoting it as a skin graft, it got some high profile press because it was put to good use as readily available biological coverage for burn victims of the 9-11-2001 twin towers catastrophe.
The company that makes it, Organogenesis, partnered with pharma giant Novartis for marketing and product management, and under them, they listened to customers who told them it was not skin grafts in a box, and they redefined its marketing for chronic wounds.
The product management has been back in the hands of Organogenesis for about 3 or 4 years now.The material is essentially a poly-pharmaceutical packaged in a living material.
The raw materials come from donated foreskins.
Extensive safety testing is done.
Pure extracted fibroblasts are put into cell culture, where they do their business and re-form a collagen matrix equivalent to normal dermis.
After that, pure keratinocytes are cultured on top of the dermis, and an epidermis forms.
The product is shipped in its petri dish, as a circle of 44 sq cm area.
The Gizmodo article shows a picture of it.
As a living material, its procurement and handling are a bit different than most medical devices, but it is easy to get and apply.The juvenile cells in the material make a broad spectrum of growth factors and other biochemicals which have a positive pro-proliferative effect on wounds.
The role for this material is for chronic and pathological wounds.
The company got its market approval and indications from the FDA for studies done on diabetic and venous ulcers, but the material is useful for chronic and pathological ("cap") wounds of any cause.
Like anything else, it does not work for all wounds or patients, but it is fairly predictable, and its results can be rather dramatic.
When a cap wound of whatever cause has been treated to the point that disease is quiet, inflammation is gone, and the wound should be healing but it is not, then that is when wound stimulatory therapies are applied.
There are several available, and Apligraf has been one of the flagship products in this category for 10 years now.
Many wounds which simply will not budge no matter what will take off and heal once this is applied.Organogenesis has its first new product coming out soon, for oral mucosa and gingiva, so perhaps that is why they are trying to stir up some attention with articles like the one quoted.
However, it is not Brave New World nor Coma nor any other meat factory.
It is just on the leading edge of biological therapeutics in the 21st century.
And if Slashdotters want to make lots of jokes as they often do, like "put Viagra in the petri dish to grow more", well, we've already heard them all.
(All very timely, since I just gave a presentation on this last week (and have been for 8 years).
If you want to learn more, I posted a copy of the presentation on the website I use for posting talks and presentations and whatnot.
This particular talk has a mix of my slides and company slides.
It is NOT yet annotated with full text on each slide, so some will just be pictures and you will have to infer what you can, but text should be coming one of these days:http://www.arimedica.com/content/arimedica\_apligraf\_(partially\%20annotated)\_2005-1006.pdf [arimedica.com]Again, I have no investment nor bias here, I just use this stuff in practice because it works and it's an important product.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30100292</id>
	<title>Re:Science Fiction Reality</title>
	<author>zonker</author>
	<datestamp>1258189500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds like <a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3004489553818051676#" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">Parts: The Clonus Horror</a> [google.com] (the basis for the remake movie "<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Island\_(2005\_film)" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">The Island</a> [wikipedia.org]").</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like Parts : The Clonus Horror [ google.com ] ( the basis for the remake movie " The Island [ wikipedia.org ] " ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like Parts: The Clonus Horror [google.com] (the basis for the remake movie "The Island [wikipedia.org]").</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30098762</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30102468</id>
	<title>Re:If ever I heard an argument</title>
	<author>Belial6</author>
	<datestamp>1258206180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>destruction of a healthy part of a childs body, without the proper justification that is required for amputation, a serious or life threatening disease requiring immediate treatment which is present and current and cannot be treated by lesser invasive means</p></div><p>So, I take it you have ethical problems with haircuts too then?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>destruction of a healthy part of a childs body , without the proper justification that is required for amputation , a serious or life threatening disease requiring immediate treatment which is present and current and can not be treated by lesser invasive meansSo , I take it you have ethical problems with haircuts too then ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>destruction of a healthy part of a childs body, without the proper justification that is required for amputation, a serious or life threatening disease requiring immediate treatment which is present and current and cannot be treated by lesser invasive meansSo, I take it you have ethical problems with haircuts too then?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30101824</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30099148</id>
	<title>Slashdotters RUN FOR THE HILLS</title>
	<author>IndustrialComplex</author>
	<datestamp>1258225320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Chopping up virgins' bits and pieces and turning it into a medical treatment!</p><p>Human horn is real!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Chopping up virgins ' bits and pieces and turning it into a medical treatment ! Human horn is real !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Chopping up virgins' bits and pieces and turning it into a medical treatment!Human horn is real!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30101012</id>
	<title>Marketing is everything</title>
	<author>unitron</author>
	<datestamp>1258195200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They should trademark it as "4Skin".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They should trademark it as " 4Skin " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They should trademark it as "4Skin".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30103060</id>
	<title>Re:Yes but...</title>
	<author>hufman</author>
	<datestamp>1258212720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Also, the fact that it's made of bits of penis!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , the fact that it 's made of bits of penis !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, the fact that it's made of bits of penis!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30099802</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30101876</id>
	<title>Serious ethical concerns</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258201500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>I am very concerned about the ethical issues surrounding this. If you have any education in or respect for human rights this should raise all kinds of red flags. The notion of using *healthy* tissue harvested from *unconsenting*, helpless children for sale to manufacture products raises serious ethical concerns and questions. It is treating children and their bodies like objects, like agricultural products to be harvested and exploited for the benefit of others. This is nothing less than organ trafficking, no different than the harvesting of other body parts from a child for sale on the market. This technology is already illegal (as organ trafficking) in many countries. The whole notion is pretty inhumane.</p><p>Circumcision itself is unethical (destruction of a healthy part of a childs body, without the proper justification that is required for amputation, a serious or life threatening disease requiring immediate treatment which is present and current and cannot be treated by lesser invasive means), and this just adds to the unethical nature of it. Children are not livestock for their bodies to be treated like objects, to be cut up or harvested at a whim, they are human beings with independant rights of their own, one of the most basic is a right to a whole body and to not have their bodies cut up and mutilated by others. It is already technically classified as a battery under general legal principles applying to the rights of the person. The boys and their bodies deserve equal protection as girls already enjoy from such unnecessary genital mutilations. Male circumcision can be compared to female circumcision. In fact, common male circumcision is more invasive than many types of common female circumcision such as removal of the clitoral hood which removes less tissue than male circumcision. Obviously, if female circumcision were done in sterile conditions by doctors, even out of fears of diseases the child does not have, or that it is lesser invasive than other types of circumcision, does not make it acceptable, and the same standard should apply to boys.</p><p>The ends do not justify the means as we always say in ethics, and you cannot justify crimes no matter what your excuse is. You cannot justify fondling a child or cutting off a healthy part of their body based on some claimed benefit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am very concerned about the ethical issues surrounding this .
If you have any education in or respect for human rights this should raise all kinds of red flags .
The notion of using * healthy * tissue harvested from * unconsenting * , helpless children for sale to manufacture products raises serious ethical concerns and questions .
It is treating children and their bodies like objects , like agricultural products to be harvested and exploited for the benefit of others .
This is nothing less than organ trafficking , no different than the harvesting of other body parts from a child for sale on the market .
This technology is already illegal ( as organ trafficking ) in many countries .
The whole notion is pretty inhumane.Circumcision itself is unethical ( destruction of a healthy part of a childs body , without the proper justification that is required for amputation , a serious or life threatening disease requiring immediate treatment which is present and current and can not be treated by lesser invasive means ) , and this just adds to the unethical nature of it .
Children are not livestock for their bodies to be treated like objects , to be cut up or harvested at a whim , they are human beings with independant rights of their own , one of the most basic is a right to a whole body and to not have their bodies cut up and mutilated by others .
It is already technically classified as a battery under general legal principles applying to the rights of the person .
The boys and their bodies deserve equal protection as girls already enjoy from such unnecessary genital mutilations .
Male circumcision can be compared to female circumcision .
In fact , common male circumcision is more invasive than many types of common female circumcision such as removal of the clitoral hood which removes less tissue than male circumcision .
Obviously , if female circumcision were done in sterile conditions by doctors , even out of fears of diseases the child does not have , or that it is lesser invasive than other types of circumcision , does not make it acceptable , and the same standard should apply to boys.The ends do not justify the means as we always say in ethics , and you can not justify crimes no matter what your excuse is .
You can not justify fondling a child or cutting off a healthy part of their body based on some claimed benefit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am very concerned about the ethical issues surrounding this.
If you have any education in or respect for human rights this should raise all kinds of red flags.
The notion of using *healthy* tissue harvested from *unconsenting*, helpless children for sale to manufacture products raises serious ethical concerns and questions.
It is treating children and their bodies like objects, like agricultural products to be harvested and exploited for the benefit of others.
This is nothing less than organ trafficking, no different than the harvesting of other body parts from a child for sale on the market.
This technology is already illegal (as organ trafficking) in many countries.
The whole notion is pretty inhumane.Circumcision itself is unethical (destruction of a healthy part of a childs body, without the proper justification that is required for amputation, a serious or life threatening disease requiring immediate treatment which is present and current and cannot be treated by lesser invasive means), and this just adds to the unethical nature of it.
Children are not livestock for their bodies to be treated like objects, to be cut up or harvested at a whim, they are human beings with independant rights of their own, one of the most basic is a right to a whole body and to not have their bodies cut up and mutilated by others.
It is already technically classified as a battery under general legal principles applying to the rights of the person.
The boys and their bodies deserve equal protection as girls already enjoy from such unnecessary genital mutilations.
Male circumcision can be compared to female circumcision.
In fact, common male circumcision is more invasive than many types of common female circumcision such as removal of the clitoral hood which removes less tissue than male circumcision.
Obviously, if female circumcision were done in sterile conditions by doctors, even out of fears of diseases the child does not have, or that it is lesser invasive than other types of circumcision, does not make it acceptable, and the same standard should apply to boys.The ends do not justify the means as we always say in ethics, and you cannot justify crimes no matter what your excuse is.
You cannot justify fondling a child or cutting off a healthy part of their body based on some claimed benefit.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30106302</id>
	<title>The price of meat</title>
	<author>b4upoo</author>
	<datestamp>1258306800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>        Can this be the start of the price of hamburger going way down? Meat without need for the cow, the chicken, or the turkey could be a boon to the entire world. It could also give us a use for all the abandoned factory space in America. Now if they can grow nice leather I could use some new upholstery.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can this be the start of the price of hamburger going way down ?
Meat without need for the cow , the chicken , or the turkey could be a boon to the entire world .
It could also give us a use for all the abandoned factory space in America .
Now if they can grow nice leather I could use some new upholstery .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>        Can this be the start of the price of hamburger going way down?
Meat without need for the cow, the chicken, or the turkey could be a boon to the entire world.
It could also give us a use for all the abandoned factory space in America.
Now if they can grow nice leather I could use some new upholstery.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30099866</id>
	<title>Re:Science Fiction Reality</title>
	<author>aplusjimages</author>
	<datestamp>1258229880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>hopefully that time will come soon and I imagine they would call it a "health pack" and put a big red cross on the cover of the box. Putting it on walls and inside crates would be very helpful.</htmltext>
<tokenext>hopefully that time will come soon and I imagine they would call it a " health pack " and put a big red cross on the cover of the box .
Putting it on walls and inside crates would be very helpful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>hopefully that time will come soon and I imagine they would call it a "health pack" and put a big red cross on the cover of the box.
Putting it on walls and inside crates would be very helpful.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30103500</id>
	<title>If you want to have a warm winter,Start here.</title>
	<author>coolforsale132</author>
	<datestamp>1258217760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.coolforsale.com/" title="coolforsale.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.coolforsale.com/</a> [coolforsale.com]  Best quality, Best reputation , Best services Our commitment, customer is God. Quality is our Dignity; Service is our Lift. Ladies and Gentlemen weicome to my coolforsale.com.Here,there are the most fashion products . Pass by but don't miss it.Select your favorite clothing! Welcome to come next time ! Thank you! Air jordan(1-24)shoes $33 Nike shox(R4,NZ,OZ,TL1,TL2,TL3) $35 Handbags(Coach lv fendi d&amp;g) $35 Tshirts (Polo<nobr> <wbr></nobr>,ed hardy,lacoste) $16 free shipping competitive price any size available accept the paypal Thanks</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.coolforsale.com/ [ coolforsale.com ] Best quality , Best reputation , Best services Our commitment , customer is God .
Quality is our Dignity ; Service is our Lift .
Ladies and Gentlemen weicome to my coolforsale.com.Here,there are the most fashion products .
Pass by but do n't miss it.Select your favorite clothing !
Welcome to come next time !
Thank you !
Air jordan ( 1-24 ) shoes $ 33 Nike shox ( R4,NZ,OZ,TL1,TL2,TL3 ) $ 35 Handbags ( Coach lv fendi d&amp;g ) $ 35 Tshirts ( Polo ,ed hardy,lacoste ) $ 16 free shipping competitive price any size available accept the paypal Thanks</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.coolforsale.com/ [coolforsale.com]  Best quality, Best reputation , Best services Our commitment, customer is God.
Quality is our Dignity; Service is our Lift.
Ladies and Gentlemen weicome to my coolforsale.com.Here,there are the most fashion products .
Pass by but don't miss it.Select your favorite clothing!
Welcome to come next time !
Thank you!
Air jordan(1-24)shoes $33 Nike shox(R4,NZ,OZ,TL1,TL2,TL3) $35 Handbags(Coach lv fendi d&amp;g) $35 Tshirts (Polo ,ed hardy,lacoste) $16 free shipping competitive price any size available accept the paypal Thanks</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30101304</id>
	<title>Re:Science Fiction Reality</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258197300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And then they can get sued by the Red Cross and have to remove the logos in later wars.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And then they can get sued by the Red Cross and have to remove the logos in later wars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And then they can get sued by the Red Cross and have to remove the logos in later wars.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30098918</id>
	<title>Modern Science at its best...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258223760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>This sounds highly promising for traditionally traumatic and fatal wounds, particularly burns. It will be interesting to see if this product increases the rate of survival in burn victims and other similar traumas. You have to love modern medicine.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This sounds highly promising for traditionally traumatic and fatal wounds , particularly burns .
It will be interesting to see if this product increases the rate of survival in burn victims and other similar traumas .
You have to love modern medicine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This sounds highly promising for traditionally traumatic and fatal wounds, particularly burns.
It will be interesting to see if this product increases the rate of survival in burn victims and other similar traumas.
You have to love modern medicine.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30101824</id>
	<title>Re:If ever I heard an argument</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258201200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The notion of using *healthy* tissue harvested from *unconsenting*, helpless children for sale to manufacture products raises serious ethical concerns and questions. It is treating children and their bodies like objects, like agricultural products to be harvested and exploited for the benefit of others. This is nothing less than organ trafficking, no different than the harvesting of other body parts from a child for sale on the market. This technology is already illegal (as organ trafficking) in many countries.</p><p>Circumcision itself is unethical (destruction of a healthy part of a childs body, without the proper justification that is required for amputation, a serious or life threatening disease requiring immediate treatment which is present and current and cannot be treated by lesser invasive means), and this just adds to the unethical nature of it. Children are not livestock for their bodies to be treated like objects, to be cut up or harvested at a whim, they are human beings with independant rights of their own, one of the most basic is a right to a whole body and to not have their bodies cut up and mutilated by others. It is already technically classified as a battery under general legal principles applying to the rights of the person. The boys and their bodies deserve equal protection as girls already enjoy from such unnecessary genital mutilations. Male circumcision can be compared to female circumcision. In fact, common male circumcision is more invasive than many types of common female circumcision such as removal of the clitoral hood which removes less tissue than male circumcision. Obviously, if female circumcision were done in sterile conditions by doctors, even out of fears of diseases the child does not have, or that it is lesser invasive than other types of circumcision, does not make it acceptable, and the same standard should apply to boys.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The notion of using * healthy * tissue harvested from * unconsenting * , helpless children for sale to manufacture products raises serious ethical concerns and questions .
It is treating children and their bodies like objects , like agricultural products to be harvested and exploited for the benefit of others .
This is nothing less than organ trafficking , no different than the harvesting of other body parts from a child for sale on the market .
This technology is already illegal ( as organ trafficking ) in many countries.Circumcision itself is unethical ( destruction of a healthy part of a childs body , without the proper justification that is required for amputation , a serious or life threatening disease requiring immediate treatment which is present and current and can not be treated by lesser invasive means ) , and this just adds to the unethical nature of it .
Children are not livestock for their bodies to be treated like objects , to be cut up or harvested at a whim , they are human beings with independant rights of their own , one of the most basic is a right to a whole body and to not have their bodies cut up and mutilated by others .
It is already technically classified as a battery under general legal principles applying to the rights of the person .
The boys and their bodies deserve equal protection as girls already enjoy from such unnecessary genital mutilations .
Male circumcision can be compared to female circumcision .
In fact , common male circumcision is more invasive than many types of common female circumcision such as removal of the clitoral hood which removes less tissue than male circumcision .
Obviously , if female circumcision were done in sterile conditions by doctors , even out of fears of diseases the child does not have , or that it is lesser invasive than other types of circumcision , does not make it acceptable , and the same standard should apply to boys .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The notion of using *healthy* tissue harvested from *unconsenting*, helpless children for sale to manufacture products raises serious ethical concerns and questions.
It is treating children and their bodies like objects, like agricultural products to be harvested and exploited for the benefit of others.
This is nothing less than organ trafficking, no different than the harvesting of other body parts from a child for sale on the market.
This technology is already illegal (as organ trafficking) in many countries.Circumcision itself is unethical (destruction of a healthy part of a childs body, without the proper justification that is required for amputation, a serious or life threatening disease requiring immediate treatment which is present and current and cannot be treated by lesser invasive means), and this just adds to the unethical nature of it.
Children are not livestock for their bodies to be treated like objects, to be cut up or harvested at a whim, they are human beings with independant rights of their own, one of the most basic is a right to a whole body and to not have their bodies cut up and mutilated by others.
It is already technically classified as a battery under general legal principles applying to the rights of the person.
The boys and their bodies deserve equal protection as girls already enjoy from such unnecessary genital mutilations.
Male circumcision can be compared to female circumcision.
In fact, common male circumcision is more invasive than many types of common female circumcision such as removal of the clitoral hood which removes less tissue than male circumcision.
Obviously, if female circumcision were done in sterile conditions by doctors, even out of fears of diseases the child does not have, or that it is lesser invasive than other types of circumcision, does not make it acceptable, and the same standard should apply to boys.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30099258</id>
	<title>hotdog bandaid</title>
	<author>darkpixel2k</author>
	<datestamp>1258226040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Apligraf is a matrix of cow collagen, human fibroblasts and keratinocyte stem cells (from discarded circumcisions)</p></div><p>
I expected them to follow that list up with 'and a few other things'.<br>
<br>
Screw 'meat bandaid', call it 'hotdog bandaid' instead.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Apligraf is a matrix of cow collagen , human fibroblasts and keratinocyte stem cells ( from discarded circumcisions ) I expected them to follow that list up with 'and a few other things' .
Screw 'meat bandaid ' , call it 'hotdog bandaid ' instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apligraf is a matrix of cow collagen, human fibroblasts and keratinocyte stem cells (from discarded circumcisions)
I expected them to follow that list up with 'and a few other things'.
Screw 'meat bandaid', call it 'hotdog bandaid' instead.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30102858</id>
	<title>Re:If ever I heard an argument</title>
	<author>Philip\_the\_physicist</author>
	<datestamp>1258209960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>if all the thousands of nerve endings and other complex structures were able to regrow to form an intact foreskin in only a few years, the way hair does (because hairs fall out, and get replaced), then my opposition to circumcision would be far less, since it would be trivially reversible. However, there is currently no technique capable of restoring those destroyed tissues, only poor substitutes.</p><p>If you seriously think that irreversibly destroying living tissue of any kind, let alone the most sensitive part of the male anatomy) except in the direst circumstances is even remotely comparable to cutting entrirely dead tissue which is naturally regrown, you are completely out of your mind.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>if all the thousands of nerve endings and other complex structures were able to regrow to form an intact foreskin in only a few years , the way hair does ( because hairs fall out , and get replaced ) , then my opposition to circumcision would be far less , since it would be trivially reversible .
However , there is currently no technique capable of restoring those destroyed tissues , only poor substitutes.If you seriously think that irreversibly destroying living tissue of any kind , let alone the most sensitive part of the male anatomy ) except in the direst circumstances is even remotely comparable to cutting entrirely dead tissue which is naturally regrown , you are completely out of your mind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if all the thousands of nerve endings and other complex structures were able to regrow to form an intact foreskin in only a few years, the way hair does (because hairs fall out, and get replaced), then my opposition to circumcision would be far less, since it would be trivially reversible.
However, there is currently no technique capable of restoring those destroyed tissues, only poor substitutes.If you seriously think that irreversibly destroying living tissue of any kind, let alone the most sensitive part of the male anatomy) except in the direst circumstances is even remotely comparable to cutting entrirely dead tissue which is naturally regrown, you are completely out of your mind.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1559211.30100092</id>
	<title>Re:Yes but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258231440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I knew this post would elicit a comment like this, so much obliged. (First, a minor quibble - I think you mean "vegetarians", rather than "vegans." The latter not only don't eat meat, but any animal byproduct, eg. dairy.)</p><p>As you implicitly acknowledge, there are a lot of different types of vegetarians and vegans, who have chosen to omit certain things from their diet for various reasons. A vegetarian who is one for health reasons won't be terribly interested in eating meat, regardless of it's origins.</p><p>There are other arguments for vegetarianism, of course. Sustainability is one (although this would imply more that we should eat far less meat, from animals raised in ways that are environmentally friendly and don't negatively impact our ability to produce other foods.) The level of cruelty involved in factory farming, which is required to sustain our voracious appetite for meat is another, but this has the same caveats. I've known organic farmers that take better care of their animals than some do their children.</p><p>The one that seems to cause meat eaters the biggest problem is ethics. Is it defensible that we take life away from other sentient creatures for our own pleasure simply because our sentience is more highly evolved? I became a vegetarian for health reasons, but after dissociating myself from a meat diet and no longer needing to justify it, this question become easier to contemplate. I cannot in good conscience cause pain and take away the life from another living creature when I don't need to for my own survival. I consider us fortunate that we have this option, that we do not need to cause harm to continue to exist.</p><p>(Douglas Hofstadter expounds on this quite eloquently:</p><blockquote><div><p>At some point, in any case, my compassion for other &ldquo;beings&rdquo; led me very naturally to finding it unacceptable to destroy other sentient beings (or other hallucinations, if you prefer), such as cows and pigs and lambs and fish and chickens, in order to consume their flesh, even if I knew that their (hallucinated) sentience wasn't quite as high as the (hallucinated) sentience of human beings.</p><p><a href="http://tal.forum2.org/hofstadter\_interview" title="forum2.org">http://tal.forum2.org/hofstadter\_interview</a> [forum2.org]</p></div></blockquote><p>)</p><p>For myself, I am looking forward to the day when we find vat grown meat at our grocers, and fervently hope that one day this will supplant "naturally grown" meat. I believe that most vegetarians would agree, and not have a particular problem with people consuming non-sentient cell tissue.</p><p>As an aside, I was recently at a friend's place, and we were making caesar salad, hers with bacon, mine without. In the interest of science, I tasted a piece. It was the single most revolting flavour I've ever tasted, something like carrion. You do lose your taste for meat over time, and there are many vegetarians that really don't miss the nasty things you meat eaters put into your bodies<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></div>
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<tokenext>I knew this post would elicit a comment like this , so much obliged .
( First , a minor quibble - I think you mean " vegetarians " , rather than " vegans .
" The latter not only do n't eat meat , but any animal byproduct , eg .
dairy. ) As you implicitly acknowledge , there are a lot of different types of vegetarians and vegans , who have chosen to omit certain things from their diet for various reasons .
A vegetarian who is one for health reasons wo n't be terribly interested in eating meat , regardless of it 's origins.There are other arguments for vegetarianism , of course .
Sustainability is one ( although this would imply more that we should eat far less meat , from animals raised in ways that are environmentally friendly and do n't negatively impact our ability to produce other foods .
) The level of cruelty involved in factory farming , which is required to sustain our voracious appetite for meat is another , but this has the same caveats .
I 've known organic farmers that take better care of their animals than some do their children.The one that seems to cause meat eaters the biggest problem is ethics .
Is it defensible that we take life away from other sentient creatures for our own pleasure simply because our sentience is more highly evolved ?
I became a vegetarian for health reasons , but after dissociating myself from a meat diet and no longer needing to justify it , this question become easier to contemplate .
I can not in good conscience cause pain and take away the life from another living creature when I do n't need to for my own survival .
I consider us fortunate that we have this option , that we do not need to cause harm to continue to exist .
( Douglas Hofstadter expounds on this quite eloquently : At some point , in any case , my compassion for other    beings    led me very naturally to finding it unacceptable to destroy other sentient beings ( or other hallucinations , if you prefer ) , such as cows and pigs and lambs and fish and chickens , in order to consume their flesh , even if I knew that their ( hallucinated ) sentience was n't quite as high as the ( hallucinated ) sentience of human beings.http : //tal.forum2.org/hofstadter \ _interview [ forum2.org ] ) For myself , I am looking forward to the day when we find vat grown meat at our grocers , and fervently hope that one day this will supplant " naturally grown " meat .
I believe that most vegetarians would agree , and not have a particular problem with people consuming non-sentient cell tissue.As an aside , I was recently at a friend 's place , and we were making caesar salad , hers with bacon , mine without .
In the interest of science , I tasted a piece .
It was the single most revolting flavour I 've ever tasted , something like carrion .
You do lose your taste for meat over time , and there are many vegetarians that really do n't miss the nasty things you meat eaters put into your bodies ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I knew this post would elicit a comment like this, so much obliged.
(First, a minor quibble - I think you mean "vegetarians", rather than "vegans.
" The latter not only don't eat meat, but any animal byproduct, eg.
dairy.)As you implicitly acknowledge, there are a lot of different types of vegetarians and vegans, who have chosen to omit certain things from their diet for various reasons.
A vegetarian who is one for health reasons won't be terribly interested in eating meat, regardless of it's origins.There are other arguments for vegetarianism, of course.
Sustainability is one (although this would imply more that we should eat far less meat, from animals raised in ways that are environmentally friendly and don't negatively impact our ability to produce other foods.
) The level of cruelty involved in factory farming, which is required to sustain our voracious appetite for meat is another, but this has the same caveats.
I've known organic farmers that take better care of their animals than some do their children.The one that seems to cause meat eaters the biggest problem is ethics.
Is it defensible that we take life away from other sentient creatures for our own pleasure simply because our sentience is more highly evolved?
I became a vegetarian for health reasons, but after dissociating myself from a meat diet and no longer needing to justify it, this question become easier to contemplate.
I cannot in good conscience cause pain and take away the life from another living creature when I don't need to for my own survival.
I consider us fortunate that we have this option, that we do not need to cause harm to continue to exist.
(Douglas Hofstadter expounds on this quite eloquently:At some point, in any case, my compassion for other “beings” led me very naturally to finding it unacceptable to destroy other sentient beings (or other hallucinations, if you prefer), such as cows and pigs and lambs and fish and chickens, in order to consume their flesh, even if I knew that their (hallucinated) sentience wasn't quite as high as the (hallucinated) sentience of human beings.http://tal.forum2.org/hofstadter\_interview [forum2.org])For myself, I am looking forward to the day when we find vat grown meat at our grocers, and fervently hope that one day this will supplant "naturally grown" meat.
I believe that most vegetarians would agree, and not have a particular problem with people consuming non-sentient cell tissue.As an aside, I was recently at a friend's place, and we were making caesar salad, hers with bacon, mine without.
In the interest of science, I tasted a piece.
It was the single most revolting flavour I've ever tasted, something like carrion.
You do lose your taste for meat over time, and there are many vegetarians that really don't miss the nasty things you meat eaters put into your bodies ;)
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