<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_14_0325245</id>
	<title>Commodore 64 Runs Again On the iPhone</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1258218120000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://hughpickens.com/slashdot/" rel="nofollow">Hugh Pickens</a> writes <i>"Stephen Williams reports in the NY Times that the app <a href="http://gadgetwise.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/11/de-glitched-the-c64s-up-and-running-again/">recreating some of the Commodore's seminal retro games</a>, including <em>Le Mans</em>, <em>Dragons Den</em> and <em>Jupiter Lander</em>, has been re-issued after being pulled in September. The app features SID sound emulation, auto-save to continue where you left off, and a realistic joystick with a beautifully crafted C64 keyboard. Apple originally <a href="https://games.slashdot.org/story/09/06/21/167239/Licensed-C64-Emulator-Rejected-From-App-Store">rejected the program</a> for violating the SDK agreement, which dictates that 'no interpreted code may be downloaded and used in an Application except for code that is interpreted and run by Apple's Published APIs and built-in interpreter(s).' After disabling the controversial feature, Apple <a href="https://games.slashdot.org/story/09/09/07/1556224/C64-Emulator-Finally-Approved-For-iPhone">published the app</a> in September, but days later <a href="https://apple.slashdot.org/story/09/09/08/1714205/Apple-Pulls-C64-Emulator-From-the-App-Store">it was pulled</a> and the developer was asked to remove, rather than just disable, the BASIC interpreter from the program, which would have allowed unscrupulous users to run unlicensed, emulated code on the iPhone or iPod Touch. '<a href="http://www.manomio.com/index.php/blog/c64\_the\_wait\_is\_over">The road was bumpy, but we remained persistent</a> and made the changes Apple was looking for.  Ultimately, BASIC has been removed for this release; however, we hope that working with Apple further will allow us to re-enable it,' the company wrote on its blog."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hugh Pickens writes " Stephen Williams reports in the NY Times that the app recreating some of the Commodore 's seminal retro games , including Le Mans , Dragons Den and Jupiter Lander , has been re-issued after being pulled in September .
The app features SID sound emulation , auto-save to continue where you left off , and a realistic joystick with a beautifully crafted C64 keyboard .
Apple originally rejected the program for violating the SDK agreement , which dictates that 'no interpreted code may be downloaded and used in an Application except for code that is interpreted and run by Apple 's Published APIs and built-in interpreter ( s ) .
' After disabling the controversial feature , Apple published the app in September , but days later it was pulled and the developer was asked to remove , rather than just disable , the BASIC interpreter from the program , which would have allowed unscrupulous users to run unlicensed , emulated code on the iPhone or iPod Touch .
'The road was bumpy , but we remained persistent and made the changes Apple was looking for .
Ultimately , BASIC has been removed for this release ; however , we hope that working with Apple further will allow us to re-enable it, ' the company wrote on its blog .
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<sentencetext>Hugh Pickens writes "Stephen Williams reports in the NY Times that the app recreating some of the Commodore's seminal retro games, including Le Mans, Dragons Den and Jupiter Lander, has been re-issued after being pulled in September.
The app features SID sound emulation, auto-save to continue where you left off, and a realistic joystick with a beautifully crafted C64 keyboard.
Apple originally rejected the program for violating the SDK agreement, which dictates that 'no interpreted code may be downloaded and used in an Application except for code that is interpreted and run by Apple's Published APIs and built-in interpreter(s).
' After disabling the controversial feature, Apple published the app in September, but days later it was pulled and the developer was asked to remove, rather than just disable, the BASIC interpreter from the program, which would have allowed unscrupulous users to run unlicensed, emulated code on the iPhone or iPod Touch.
'The road was bumpy, but we remained persistent and made the changes Apple was looking for.
Ultimately, BASIC has been removed for this release; however, we hope that working with Apple further will allow us to re-enable it,' the company wrote on its blog.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30100232</id>
	<title>Re:Can you actually do anything useful?</title>
	<author>Thing 1</author>
	<datestamp>1258232340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>You've pretty much Godwined the discussion right there.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>Yeah, pretty much; I saw that the link was from "gwu.edu" and just figured, "GodWin University"...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 've pretty much Godwined the discussion right there .
Yeah , pretty much ; I saw that the link was from " gwu.edu " and just figured , " GodWin University " .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You've pretty much Godwined the discussion right there.
Yeah, pretty much; I saw that the link was from "gwu.edu" and just figured, "GodWin University"...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30098256</id>
	<title>Re:Can you actually do anything useful?</title>
	<author>lotho brandybuck</author>
	<datestamp>1258220160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>hahaha  my thoughts exactly, and we had an Apple 2e...</htmltext>
<tokenext>hahaha my thoughts exactly , and we had an Apple 2e.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>hahaha  my thoughts exactly, and we had an Apple 2e...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30098044</id>
	<title>C64 BASIC is a Microsoft Product</title>
	<author>leptons</author>
	<datestamp>1258219080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>C64 BASIC is a Microsoft Product (seriously, it is).  Maybe this is the real reason Apple doesn't want it running on the iPhone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>C64 BASIC is a Microsoft Product ( seriously , it is ) .
Maybe this is the real reason Apple does n't want it running on the iPhone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>C64 BASIC is a Microsoft Product (seriously, it is).
Maybe this is the real reason Apple doesn't want it running on the iPhone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30096054</id>
	<title>Re:Can you actually do anything useful?</title>
	<author>kandela</author>
	<datestamp>1258194840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's disappointing. Just when I thought my hard earned BASIC programming skills were going to allow me to write unauthorised programs for the iPhone. Oh well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's disappointing .
Just when I thought my hard earned BASIC programming skills were going to allow me to write unauthorised programs for the iPhone .
Oh well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's disappointing.
Just when I thought my hard earned BASIC programming skills were going to allow me to write unauthorised programs for the iPhone.
Oh well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30096772</id>
	<title>Re:Can you actually do anything useful?</title>
	<author>Hognoxious</author>
	<datestamp>1258207500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not exactly useful, but see <a href="http://www.retrologic.com/jargon/K/killer-poke.html" title="retrologic.com">http://www.retrologic.com/jargon/K/killer-poke.html</a> [retrologic.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not exactly useful , but see http : //www.retrologic.com/jargon/K/killer-poke.html [ retrologic.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not exactly useful, but see http://www.retrologic.com/jargon/K/killer-poke.html [retrologic.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095172</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30100056</id>
	<title>Re:Can you actually do anything useful?</title>
	<author>bill\_mcgonigle</author>
	<datestamp>1258231260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're quite right - Apple is at the top of the proprietary heap.</p><p>If iPhone isn't a purposeful implementation of <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1578518520?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=bfc03-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=1578518520" title="amazon.com">The Innovator's Solution's</a> [amazon.com]* description of the proprietary to commodity process I don't know what is.  I mean, the authors even have a section on Blackberry and describe how to better it ala iPhone.</p><p>Once a reasonable competitor emerges (is it Droid?) Apple will loosen its grip, but until then it commands higher profit by staying as controlling as possible.</p><p>* I know, the apostrophe should be after the hyperlink, but slashdot's anti-goat display makes it too confusing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're quite right - Apple is at the top of the proprietary heap.If iPhone is n't a purposeful implementation of The Innovator 's Solution 's [ amazon.com ] * description of the proprietary to commodity process I do n't know what is .
I mean , the authors even have a section on Blackberry and describe how to better it ala iPhone.Once a reasonable competitor emerges ( is it Droid ?
) Apple will loosen its grip , but until then it commands higher profit by staying as controlling as possible .
* I know , the apostrophe should be after the hyperlink , but slashdot 's anti-goat display makes it too confusing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're quite right - Apple is at the top of the proprietary heap.If iPhone isn't a purposeful implementation of The Innovator's Solution's [amazon.com]* description of the proprietary to commodity process I don't know what is.
I mean, the authors even have a section on Blackberry and describe how to better it ala iPhone.Once a reasonable competitor emerges (is it Droid?
) Apple will loosen its grip, but until then it commands higher profit by staying as controlling as possible.
* I know, the apostrophe should be after the hyperlink, but slashdot's anti-goat display makes it too confusing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30096712</id>
	<title>It's A Phone First</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258206720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the biggest concern is that malicious code may render the iPhone unusable as a phone. Apple is protecting its product, as it should.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the biggest concern is that malicious code may render the iPhone unusable as a phone .
Apple is protecting its product , as it should .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the biggest concern is that malicious code may render the iPhone unusable as a phone.
Apple is protecting its product, as it should.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30096002</id>
	<title>Re:Can you actually do anything useful?</title>
	<author>Hal\_Porter</author>
	<datestamp>1258194060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> I have just spent some time <a href="http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/19991105/index.html#docs" title="gwu.edu" rel="nofollow">reviewing documents from just before the Wall fell</a> [gwu.edu] and it was very clearly revealed that letting people have a little bit of freedom was ultimately disastrous.</p></div><p>WTF? Would you prefer the European Communist regimes run people over with tanks instead? You've pretty much Godwined the discussion right there.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have just spent some time reviewing documents from just before the Wall fell [ gwu.edu ] and it was very clearly revealed that letting people have a little bit of freedom was ultimately disastrous.WTF ?
Would you prefer the European Communist regimes run people over with tanks instead ?
You 've pretty much Godwined the discussion right there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I have just spent some time reviewing documents from just before the Wall fell [gwu.edu] and it was very clearly revealed that letting people have a little bit of freedom was ultimately disastrous.WTF?
Would you prefer the European Communist regimes run people over with tanks instead?
You've pretty much Godwined the discussion right there.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095212</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095858</id>
	<title>Re:The point is ?</title>
	<author>sentientbeing</author>
	<datestamp>1258190700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>To save money on an external acoustic coupler?</htmltext>
<tokenext>To save money on an external acoustic coupler ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To save money on an external acoustic coupler?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095222</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30100822</id>
	<title>Joystick?</title>
	<author>Torodung</author>
	<datestamp>1258193580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>a realistic joystick</p></div><p>What is that then? A Bluetooth device? Do you swing your iPhone around like a stick while trying to look at your waggling screen?</p><p>Do you plug your surplus Atari VCS stick into the serial port via a <a href="http://www.interfacebus.com/Connector\_D-Sub\_9-pin\_insert\_arrangements\_size\_20.html" title="interfacebus.com">9-pin D-SUB port</a> [interfacebus.com] converter?</p><p>I'm going to go with David Lynch on this one, who famously ranted that "you can't watch a movie on a fscking phone." You can't have a "realistic" joystick on a phone, because an <b>image</b> of a joystick is not realistic, nor does it even approximate the input device. It's a neat <b>toy</b>, not a reproduction heirloom.</p><p>Why do I nitpick? Frankly I don't like reading obvious marketing text in my summary. This goes for "beautifully crafted" too. Report, don't advertise, please.</p><p>--<br>Toro</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>a realistic joystickWhat is that then ?
A Bluetooth device ?
Do you swing your iPhone around like a stick while trying to look at your waggling screen ? Do you plug your surplus Atari VCS stick into the serial port via a 9-pin D-SUB port [ interfacebus.com ] converter ? I 'm going to go with David Lynch on this one , who famously ranted that " you ca n't watch a movie on a fscking phone .
" You ca n't have a " realistic " joystick on a phone , because an image of a joystick is not realistic , nor does it even approximate the input device .
It 's a neat toy , not a reproduction heirloom.Why do I nitpick ?
Frankly I do n't like reading obvious marketing text in my summary .
This goes for " beautifully crafted " too .
Report , do n't advertise , please.--Toro</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a realistic joystickWhat is that then?
A Bluetooth device?
Do you swing your iPhone around like a stick while trying to look at your waggling screen?Do you plug your surplus Atari VCS stick into the serial port via a 9-pin D-SUB port [interfacebus.com] converter?I'm going to go with David Lynch on this one, who famously ranted that "you can't watch a movie on a fscking phone.
" You can't have a "realistic" joystick on a phone, because an image of a joystick is not realistic, nor does it even approximate the input device.
It's a neat toy, not a reproduction heirloom.Why do I nitpick?
Frankly I don't like reading obvious marketing text in my summary.
This goes for "beautifully crafted" too.
Report, don't advertise, please.--Toro
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095176</id>
	<title>Yes.</title>
	<author>nhytefall</author>
	<datestamp>1258135560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's an app for that!</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's an app for that !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's an app for that!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30146068</id>
	<title>Re:Can you actually do anything useful?</title>
	<author>LWATCDR</author>
	<datestamp>1257100920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes people do have every right to complain. They have the right to not buy Apple products as well.  I also find some of Apple's actions regarding the App store to be disturbing.  When it comes to the C64 Emulator I have to wonder if it might not be for copyright reasons. Who owns the rights to the the C64 basic and Kernel? Microsoft wrote the Basic way back when. People have every right to say they don't like something.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes people do have every right to complain .
They have the right to not buy Apple products as well .
I also find some of Apple 's actions regarding the App store to be disturbing .
When it comes to the C64 Emulator I have to wonder if it might not be for copyright reasons .
Who owns the rights to the the C64 basic and Kernel ?
Microsoft wrote the Basic way back when .
People have every right to say they do n't like something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes people do have every right to complain.
They have the right to not buy Apple products as well.
I also find some of Apple's actions regarding the App store to be disturbing.
When it comes to the C64 Emulator I have to wonder if it might not be for copyright reasons.
Who owns the rights to the the C64 basic and Kernel?
Microsoft wrote the Basic way back when.
People have every right to say they don't like something.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30098240</id>
	<title>Re:It's A Phone First</title>
	<author>MightyMartian</author>
	<datestamp>1258220100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I think the biggest concern is that malicious code may render the iPhone unusable as a phone. Apple is protecting its product, as it should.</p></div></blockquote><p>I'm sure you can provide even one example of where an emulated machine has ever had a vulnerability allowing a program running in the emulated hardware to do something malicious to the (usually) unrelated host hardware.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the biggest concern is that malicious code may render the iPhone unusable as a phone .
Apple is protecting its product , as it should.I 'm sure you can provide even one example of where an emulated machine has ever had a vulnerability allowing a program running in the emulated hardware to do something malicious to the ( usually ) unrelated host hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the biggest concern is that malicious code may render the iPhone unusable as a phone.
Apple is protecting its product, as it should.I'm sure you can provide even one example of where an emulated machine has ever had a vulnerability allowing a program running in the emulated hardware to do something malicious to the (usually) unrelated host hardware.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095450</id>
	<title>Re:The point is ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258139880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What is the point of browsing the web on a glorified typewriter?</p><p>Go away, senile old man - this is not -your- lawn.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What is the point of browsing the web on a glorified typewriter ? Go away , senile old man - this is not -your- lawn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is the point of browsing the web on a glorified typewriter?Go away, senile old man - this is not -your- lawn.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095222</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095310</id>
	<title>Re:Can you actually do anything useful?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258137600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes. You can do things your Apple overlords have not expressly given you permission to do. This cannot be allowed, because they have not given permission.</p><p>The phone market is Apple's wet dream, because none of the customers have any expectation of openness or being able to actually do anything with their own hardware, so there's not much complaint when they give users the full Apple experience by locking everything down. I fully expect they'd do the exact same damn thing with OS X elsewhere if they could get away with it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes .
You can do things your Apple overlords have not expressly given you permission to do .
This can not be allowed , because they have not given permission.The phone market is Apple 's wet dream , because none of the customers have any expectation of openness or being able to actually do anything with their own hardware , so there 's not much complaint when they give users the full Apple experience by locking everything down .
I fully expect they 'd do the exact same damn thing with OS X elsewhere if they could get away with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes.
You can do things your Apple overlords have not expressly given you permission to do.
This cannot be allowed, because they have not given permission.The phone market is Apple's wet dream, because none of the customers have any expectation of openness or being able to actually do anything with their own hardware, so there's not much complaint when they give users the full Apple experience by locking everything down.
I fully expect they'd do the exact same damn thing with OS X elsewhere if they could get away with it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30096646</id>
	<title>especially C64 BASIC</title>
	<author>Ilgaz</author>
	<datestamp>1258205640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most of them started with C64 basic and became gurus of today. Why C64 BASIC? Because it was so horrible that you were required to do POKE hacks, ASM code, own ASM routines, know the registers etc.</p><p>Of course, after a certain level, they asked themselves "Why the heck am I bothering with this?" and moved to mixture of pure ASM and C.</p><p>Coding for 8bit computers were so hard that one Atari 800XL (8bit) game developer could move out of gaming business (because of distributor) and could start to code entire software of B2 stealth bomber.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most of them started with C64 basic and became gurus of today .
Why C64 BASIC ?
Because it was so horrible that you were required to do POKE hacks , ASM code , own ASM routines , know the registers etc.Of course , after a certain level , they asked themselves " Why the heck am I bothering with this ?
" and moved to mixture of pure ASM and C.Coding for 8bit computers were so hard that one Atari 800XL ( 8bit ) game developer could move out of gaming business ( because of distributor ) and could start to code entire software of B2 stealth bomber .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most of them started with C64 basic and became gurus of today.
Why C64 BASIC?
Because it was so horrible that you were required to do POKE hacks, ASM code, own ASM routines, know the registers etc.Of course, after a certain level, they asked themselves "Why the heck am I bothering with this?
" and moved to mixture of pure ASM and C.Coding for 8bit computers were so hard that one Atari 800XL (8bit) game developer could move out of gaming business (because of distributor) and could start to code entire software of B2 stealth bomber.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30101632</id>
	<title>Are you kidding me?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258199640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have you even LOOKED at the App Store? Tons of FREE software. So obviously that's not the motivation. How's this for a rational explanation: Let's say Apple allows it and someone somehow writes code that fuggs up the iphone. Who does the phone's owner come crying to? That's right, APPLE.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you even LOOKED at the App Store ?
Tons of FREE software .
So obviously that 's not the motivation .
How 's this for a rational explanation : Let 's say Apple allows it and someone somehow writes code that fuggs up the iphone .
Who does the phone 's owner come crying to ?
That 's right , APPLE .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you even LOOKED at the App Store?
Tons of FREE software.
So obviously that's not the motivation.
How's this for a rational explanation: Let's say Apple allows it and someone somehow writes code that fuggs up the iphone.
Who does the phone's owner come crying to?
That's right, APPLE.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30097494</id>
	<title>Wouldn't a 6510 emu essentially be an interpreter?</title>
	<author>LarrySDonald</author>
	<datestamp>1258213920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I mean, it is executing non-native code (6510 asm) without (I'm guessing) recompiling it for iPhone, providing a way to run programs with an in-between layer to not use the native stuff or keep Apples glorious blessing on the code. This is essentially what java or flash does, construct a secondary layer where code can run. On the other hand, Apple is Apple and pretty much reserves the right to be inconsistent, bizarre and allow or disallow things at will depending on what suits them so I guess it's par for the course.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I mean , it is executing non-native code ( 6510 asm ) without ( I 'm guessing ) recompiling it for iPhone , providing a way to run programs with an in-between layer to not use the native stuff or keep Apples glorious blessing on the code .
This is essentially what java or flash does , construct a secondary layer where code can run .
On the other hand , Apple is Apple and pretty much reserves the right to be inconsistent , bizarre and allow or disallow things at will depending on what suits them so I guess it 's par for the course .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean, it is executing non-native code (6510 asm) without (I'm guessing) recompiling it for iPhone, providing a way to run programs with an in-between layer to not use the native stuff or keep Apples glorious blessing on the code.
This is essentially what java or flash does, construct a secondary layer where code can run.
On the other hand, Apple is Apple and pretty much reserves the right to be inconsistent, bizarre and allow or disallow things at will depending on what suits them so I guess it's par for the course.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30097162</id>
	<title>Re:The point is ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258211340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>vMac already runs just fine on the iPhone.  There's a cydia repository that has everything you need to make it go.  The UI is a bit wonky because, well, a touchscreen is not a mouse.  But yeah, MacOS -- at least System 7.5.5 -- already boots.</p><p>Oh, wait, you were trying to be funny while misusing terms like "MacOS."  Carry on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>vMac already runs just fine on the iPhone .
There 's a cydia repository that has everything you need to make it go .
The UI is a bit wonky because , well , a touchscreen is not a mouse .
But yeah , MacOS -- at least System 7.5.5 -- already boots.Oh , wait , you were trying to be funny while misusing terms like " MacOS .
" Carry on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>vMac already runs just fine on the iPhone.
There's a cydia repository that has everything you need to make it go.
The UI is a bit wonky because, well, a touchscreen is not a mouse.
But yeah, MacOS -- at least System 7.5.5 -- already boots.Oh, wait, you were trying to be funny while misusing terms like "MacOS.
"  Carry on.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095440</id>
	<title>Re:Can you actually do anything useful?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258139580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't tell if you're trolling or trying to be funny.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't tell if you 're trolling or trying to be funny .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't tell if you're trolling or trying to be funny.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30096076</id>
	<title>Re:Can you actually do anything useful?</title>
	<author>mcrbids</author>
	<datestamp>1258195200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I hate the ridiculous anti-free nature of the app store, but it's not hard to see why Apple would be concerned. The fear is that if a program gets into the App Store that allows any sort of user-provided data to be executed, then evil unlicensed apps could be delivered to the platform through that interpreter.</p></div><p>This problem is easily solved: <b>Just require the code to be signed!</b></p><p>Although there are many upsides to interpreted languages, perhaps top of the heap is a short application development cycle. But I would happily throw a couple hundred bux for an interpretive SDK that let's me run unsigned code, so that I could develop my appz. Then, when I'm ready to sell, I get the code signed by Apple.</p><p>My company vends a product written in an common, interpreted language. It's closed-source, so we use a software obfuscation tool. It's largely the same idea...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I hate the ridiculous anti-free nature of the app store , but it 's not hard to see why Apple would be concerned .
The fear is that if a program gets into the App Store that allows any sort of user-provided data to be executed , then evil unlicensed apps could be delivered to the platform through that interpreter.This problem is easily solved : Just require the code to be signed ! Although there are many upsides to interpreted languages , perhaps top of the heap is a short application development cycle .
But I would happily throw a couple hundred bux for an interpretive SDK that let 's me run unsigned code , so that I could develop my appz .
Then , when I 'm ready to sell , I get the code signed by Apple.My company vends a product written in an common , interpreted language .
It 's closed-source , so we use a software obfuscation tool .
It 's largely the same idea.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hate the ridiculous anti-free nature of the app store, but it's not hard to see why Apple would be concerned.
The fear is that if a program gets into the App Store that allows any sort of user-provided data to be executed, then evil unlicensed apps could be delivered to the platform through that interpreter.This problem is easily solved: Just require the code to be signed!Although there are many upsides to interpreted languages, perhaps top of the heap is a short application development cycle.
But I would happily throw a couple hundred bux for an interpretive SDK that let's me run unsigned code, so that I could develop my appz.
Then, when I'm ready to sell, I get the code signed by Apple.My company vends a product written in an common, interpreted language.
It's closed-source, so we use a software obfuscation tool.
It's largely the same idea...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095204</id>
	<title>One word</title>
	<author>spaceyhackerlady</author>
	<datestamp>1258136160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Jailbreak!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Jailbreak !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Jailbreak!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30096612</id>
	<title>Re:The point is ?</title>
	<author>Ilgaz</author>
	<datestamp>1258204920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>On real smart phones, people does it for years, installing/running their old games, showing their friends the code they wrote.</p><p>The issue here is, your device vendor and your apologists shouldn't be asking this question. It should be YOU choosing what to do with the computing platform you do. Why don't you ask why there is such a limit of "running emulated code"? Why don't you think 10 SECONDS about the reasoning behind it?</p><p>I can't wait for the "app store only" OS X 10.7 and apologists for the most closed computing platform ever came to this earth. If things go that bad, I will be running Windows junk with 100 utils to make it my way so it doesn't bother me, I will just grab a popcorn and check Slashdot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On real smart phones , people does it for years , installing/running their old games , showing their friends the code they wrote.The issue here is , your device vendor and your apologists should n't be asking this question .
It should be YOU choosing what to do with the computing platform you do .
Why do n't you ask why there is such a limit of " running emulated code " ?
Why do n't you think 10 SECONDS about the reasoning behind it ? I ca n't wait for the " app store only " OS X 10.7 and apologists for the most closed computing platform ever came to this earth .
If things go that bad , I will be running Windows junk with 100 utils to make it my way so it does n't bother me , I will just grab a popcorn and check Slashdot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On real smart phones, people does it for years, installing/running their old games, showing their friends the code they wrote.The issue here is, your device vendor and your apologists shouldn't be asking this question.
It should be YOU choosing what to do with the computing platform you do.
Why don't you ask why there is such a limit of "running emulated code"?
Why don't you think 10 SECONDS about the reasoning behind it?I can't wait for the "app store only" OS X 10.7 and apologists for the most closed computing platform ever came to this earth.
If things go that bad, I will be running Windows junk with 100 utils to make it my way so it doesn't bother me, I will just grab a popcorn and check Slashdot.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095880</id>
	<title>Re:Another STUPID iPhone story!</title>
	<author>physburn</author>
	<datestamp>1258191300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Being that the C64 was an 80s computer, just about anything can
emulate and there lots of emulators about. I guess the story is
about Apples dumb, only there code policy. Maybe you should
run an <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuiRilpBwfc" title="youtube.com">iDon't</a> [youtube.com] instead of an Iphone,
<p>
---
</p><p>
<a href="http://www.feeddistiller.com/blogs/Retrogames/feed.html" title="feeddistiller.com">Retrogames</a> [feeddistiller.com] Feed @ <a href="http://www.feeddistiller.com/" title="feeddistiller.com">Feed Distiller</a> [feeddistiller.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Being that the C64 was an 80s computer , just about anything can emulate and there lots of emulators about .
I guess the story is about Apples dumb , only there code policy .
Maybe you should run an iDo n't [ youtube.com ] instead of an Iphone , --- Retrogames [ feeddistiller.com ] Feed @ Feed Distiller [ feeddistiller.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Being that the C64 was an 80s computer, just about anything can
emulate and there lots of emulators about.
I guess the story is
about Apples dumb, only there code policy.
Maybe you should
run an iDon't [youtube.com] instead of an Iphone,

---

Retrogames [feeddistiller.com] Feed @ Feed Distiller [feeddistiller.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30097802</id>
	<title>Re:Can you actually do anything useful?</title>
	<author>MightyMartian</author>
	<datestamp>1258216800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, and the whole thing is utterly disingenuous.  If there was a hole in the underlying hardware emulator then a hacker wouldn't give a shit about Commodore BASIC, but would be crafting a 6510 assembly attack.  Besides, as we now know, malware is distributed directly by the App Store.</p><p>In other words, Apple is full of crap and utterly wanton in its megalomania.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , and the whole thing is utterly disingenuous .
If there was a hole in the underlying hardware emulator then a hacker would n't give a shit about Commodore BASIC , but would be crafting a 6510 assembly attack .
Besides , as we now know , malware is distributed directly by the App Store.In other words , Apple is full of crap and utterly wanton in its megalomania .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, and the whole thing is utterly disingenuous.
If there was a hole in the underlying hardware emulator then a hacker wouldn't give a shit about Commodore BASIC, but would be crafting a 6510 assembly attack.
Besides, as we now know, malware is distributed directly by the App Store.In other words, Apple is full of crap and utterly wanton in its megalomania.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095820</id>
	<title>Re:GPL violation?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258190100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Froddo a free to spend 1000hrs to make their own iphone app that is free and has full source too.</p><p>Or are they too snub?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Froddo a free to spend 1000hrs to make their own iphone app that is free and has full source too.Or are they too snub ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Froddo a free to spend 1000hrs to make their own iphone app that is free and has full source too.Or are they too snub?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30111638</id>
	<title>Re:Can you actually do anything useful?</title>
	<author>lennier</author>
	<datestamp>1258302360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly! Thanks to the Information Purification Directives, Big Steve has created a garden of pure ideology, where the consumer may flourish safe from the pests of contradictory and confusing truths. Apple's enemies shall talk themselves to death, and the iPhone will bury them with their own confusion.</p><p>And one last thing... we shall prevail!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly !
Thanks to the Information Purification Directives , Big Steve has created a garden of pure ideology , where the consumer may flourish safe from the pests of contradictory and confusing truths .
Apple 's enemies shall talk themselves to death , and the iPhone will bury them with their own confusion.And one last thing... we shall prevail !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly!
Thanks to the Information Purification Directives, Big Steve has created a garden of pure ideology, where the consumer may flourish safe from the pests of contradictory and confusing truths.
Apple's enemies shall talk themselves to death, and the iPhone will bury them with their own confusion.And one last thing... we shall prevail!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095380</id>
	<title>Re:Can you actually do anything useful?</title>
	<author>mysidia</author>
	<datestamp>1258138680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <em>For example, instead of writing your games in C and paying Apple to sell them on the app store, you could write your game in BASIC and deliver them through the C64 emulator.</em> </p><p>
Unless the emulator provides a way for you to load BASIC programs from unsigned user files you can provide outside the emulator into the environment, this is useless.
As far as I know, the only files the app would let you load are ones in the app, that you bought.
</p><p>
Users aren't too likely to hand-key the program listing for a C64 game every time they want to play.    Buying an iPhone app from the app store doesn't require you to key in the app's source listing every time you want to run.
</p><p> <em>(which could be set to ARM instructions) </em> </p><p>
It's a C64 emulator... as far as I know, there are no ARM instructions on the C64.
</p><p>
As for possible bugs... well, any app can have those.
</p><p>
Unless there's a 'LOAD xxx'  command that allows the user to actually load external files they created on their iphone into the basic interpreter, it's kind of academic.
</p><p>
I suppose given the possibility to invoke ARM instructions from inside a C64 emulator (somehow),  someone could make a BASIC program that would serve as a glorified bootstrap, whose sole purpose is to boot ARM code that was compiled for the iPhone using the normal SDK.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For example , instead of writing your games in C and paying Apple to sell them on the app store , you could write your game in BASIC and deliver them through the C64 emulator .
Unless the emulator provides a way for you to load BASIC programs from unsigned user files you can provide outside the emulator into the environment , this is useless .
As far as I know , the only files the app would let you load are ones in the app , that you bought .
Users are n't too likely to hand-key the program listing for a C64 game every time they want to play .
Buying an iPhone app from the app store does n't require you to key in the app 's source listing every time you want to run .
( which could be set to ARM instructions ) It 's a C64 emulator... as far as I know , there are no ARM instructions on the C64 .
As for possible bugs... well , any app can have those .
Unless there 's a 'LOAD xxx ' command that allows the user to actually load external files they created on their iphone into the basic interpreter , it 's kind of academic .
I suppose given the possibility to invoke ARM instructions from inside a C64 emulator ( somehow ) , someone could make a BASIC program that would serve as a glorified bootstrap , whose sole purpose is to boot ARM code that was compiled for the iPhone using the normal SDK .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> For example, instead of writing your games in C and paying Apple to sell them on the app store, you could write your game in BASIC and deliver them through the C64 emulator.
Unless the emulator provides a way for you to load BASIC programs from unsigned user files you can provide outside the emulator into the environment, this is useless.
As far as I know, the only files the app would let you load are ones in the app, that you bought.
Users aren't too likely to hand-key the program listing for a C64 game every time they want to play.
Buying an iPhone app from the app store doesn't require you to key in the app's source listing every time you want to run.
(which could be set to ARM instructions)  
It's a C64 emulator... as far as I know, there are no ARM instructions on the C64.
As for possible bugs... well, any app can have those.
Unless there's a 'LOAD xxx'  command that allows the user to actually load external files they created on their iphone into the basic interpreter, it's kind of academic.
I suppose given the possibility to invoke ARM instructions from inside a C64 emulator (somehow),  someone could make a BASIC program that would serve as a glorified bootstrap, whose sole purpose is to boot ARM code that was compiled for the iPhone using the normal SDK.
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095412</id>
	<title>/.'s commodore64</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258139160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>He hasn't commented yet, I'm sure he'll liken it back when he was a kid and the Romans were being really restrictive when it came to the slave trade. And we should get back to strong traditional morals laid out circa year 0.<br> <br>Seriously, the guy makes my war hero grandfather sound like a hippy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>He has n't commented yet , I 'm sure he 'll liken it back when he was a kid and the Romans were being really restrictive when it came to the slave trade .
And we should get back to strong traditional morals laid out circa year 0 .
Seriously , the guy makes my war hero grandfather sound like a hippy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He hasn't commented yet, I'm sure he'll liken it back when he was a kid and the Romans were being really restrictive when it came to the slave trade.
And we should get back to strong traditional morals laid out circa year 0.
Seriously, the guy makes my war hero grandfather sound like a hippy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30099546</id>
	<title>apple nazi</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258228080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>screw Apple's fascism.  Port it to Android, free of those silly emulator restrictions, and a platform that is quickly overtaking iPhone</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>screw Apple 's fascism .
Port it to Android , free of those silly emulator restrictions , and a platform that is quickly overtaking iPhone</tokentext>
<sentencetext>screw Apple's fascism.
Port it to Android, free of those silly emulator restrictions, and a platform that is quickly overtaking iPhone</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095502</id>
	<title>Another STUPID iPhone story!</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1258141140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had a C64 emulator on my Nokia 3650 in 2003/4! And a Gameboy emulator! And a MAMEmulator!<br>And all S60 phones from then on had it. And probably tons of other phones.</p><p>But because it's a stupid iPhone, from its stupid user community, who have never seen or heard anything from outside their reality distortion bubble, it must get a <em>special</em> mentioning!<br>Khat's next? An article about a SSH client? (Won't work, since the dumb iPhone hasn't even got all the necessary character buttons on its "<a href="http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/iphone\_keysuck.gif" title="thebestpag...iverse.net" rel="nofollow">keyboard</a> [thebestpag...iverse.net]" to properly use it.)</p><p>Oh iPhone. You're really "special". Just like your users are "special"... (Yeah, in that "special" sense. ^^)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had a C64 emulator on my Nokia 3650 in 2003/4 !
And a Gameboy emulator !
And a MAMEmulator ! And all S60 phones from then on had it .
And probably tons of other phones.But because it 's a stupid iPhone , from its stupid user community , who have never seen or heard anything from outside their reality distortion bubble , it must get a special mentioning ! Khat 's next ?
An article about a SSH client ?
( Wo n't work , since the dumb iPhone has n't even got all the necessary character buttons on its " keyboard [ thebestpag...iverse.net ] " to properly use it .
) Oh iPhone .
You 're really " special " .
Just like your users are " special " ... ( Yeah , in that " special " sense .
^ ^ )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had a C64 emulator on my Nokia 3650 in 2003/4!
And a Gameboy emulator!
And a MAMEmulator!And all S60 phones from then on had it.
And probably tons of other phones.But because it's a stupid iPhone, from its stupid user community, who have never seen or heard anything from outside their reality distortion bubble, it must get a special mentioning!Khat's next?
An article about a SSH client?
(Won't work, since the dumb iPhone hasn't even got all the necessary character buttons on its "keyboard [thebestpag...iverse.net]" to properly use it.
)Oh iPhone.
You're really "special".
Just like your users are "special"... (Yeah, in that "special" sense.
^^)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095348</id>
	<title>How about another programming language?</title>
	<author>LoTonah</author>
	<datestamp>1258138320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's stopping you from doing something like Simon's BASIC or Forth or something else?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's stopping you from doing something like Simon 's BASIC or Forth or something else ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's stopping you from doing something like Simon's BASIC or Forth or something else?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095212</id>
	<title>Re:Can you actually do anything useful?</title>
	<author>DNS-and-BIND</author>
	<datestamp>1258136340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's not the point.  The point is, Apple must control everything.  Yes, they regard even a BASIC interpreter as a threat.  And they are very correct to do so.  You might laugh but Apple's principles are sound.  I have just spent some time <a href="http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/19991105/index.html#docs" title="gwu.edu" rel="nofollow">reviewing documents from just before the Wall fell</a> [gwu.edu] and it was very clearly revealed that letting people have a little bit of freedom was ultimately disastrous.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's not the point .
The point is , Apple must control everything .
Yes , they regard even a BASIC interpreter as a threat .
And they are very correct to do so .
You might laugh but Apple 's principles are sound .
I have just spent some time reviewing documents from just before the Wall fell [ gwu.edu ] and it was very clearly revealed that letting people have a little bit of freedom was ultimately disastrous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's not the point.
The point is, Apple must control everything.
Yes, they regard even a BASIC interpreter as a threat.
And they are very correct to do so.
You might laugh but Apple's principles are sound.
I have just spent some time reviewing documents from just before the Wall fell [gwu.edu] and it was very clearly revealed that letting people have a little bit of freedom was ultimately disastrous.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095524</id>
	<title>Impossible Mission is the Problem</title>
	<author>TheModelEskimo</author>
	<datestamp>1258141500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They are afraid that a game <i>that slick</i>, played on the iPod, might cause the universe to collapse under coolness.<br> <br>Also, I hear Jobs is jealous that he wasn't the first one to come up with the phrase, "stay a while. Stay...FOREVER!!!"</htmltext>
<tokenext>They are afraid that a game that slick , played on the iPod , might cause the universe to collapse under coolness .
Also , I hear Jobs is jealous that he was n't the first one to come up with the phrase , " stay a while .
Stay...FOREVER ! ! ! "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are afraid that a game that slick, played on the iPod, might cause the universe to collapse under coolness.
Also, I hear Jobs is jealous that he wasn't the first one to come up with the phrase, "stay a while.
Stay...FOREVER!!!"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30099764</id>
	<title>Re:Can you actually do anything useful?</title>
	<author>RyuuzakiTetsuya</author>
	<datestamp>1258229160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>are you seriously comparing vendor lock in on software to the Soviet Union?</p><p>It's a PHONE.  you're free to jail break and Apple won't zap your phone dead.  Christ.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>are you seriously comparing vendor lock in on software to the Soviet Union ? It 's a PHONE .
you 're free to jail break and Apple wo n't zap your phone dead .
Christ .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>are you seriously comparing vendor lock in on software to the Soviet Union?It's a PHONE.
you're free to jail break and Apple won't zap your phone dead.
Christ.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095212</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30096420</id>
	<title>Where...</title>
	<author>CrackedButter</author>
	<datestamp>1258201980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>is my Amiga emulator and a copy of K240 going to be on the iPhone!</htmltext>
<tokenext>is my Amiga emulator and a copy of K240 going to be on the iPhone !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is my Amiga emulator and a copy of K240 going to be on the iPhone!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30101968</id>
	<title>Re:The point is ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258202160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Jokes aside, it'd be great to be able to run 68k Mac software on an iPhone<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Jokes aside , it 'd be great to be able to run 68k Mac software on an iPhone : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Jokes aside, it'd be great to be able to run 68k Mac software on an iPhone :)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095276</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095468</id>
	<title>Re:Can you actually do anything useful?</title>
	<author>Casandro</author>
	<datestamp>1258140300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well it would transform the iPhone from a Gadget to a computer, by adding the final step, rapid application development on the device itself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well it would transform the iPhone from a Gadget to a computer , by adding the final step , rapid application development on the device itself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well it would transform the iPhone from a Gadget to a computer, by adding the final step, rapid application development on the device itself.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095172</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095172</id>
	<title>Can you actually do anything useful?</title>
	<author>omni123</author>
	<datestamp>1258135440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is there actually a method of doing anything unscrupulous with a BASIC interpreter running inside a C64 emulator running on an iPhone?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is there actually a method of doing anything unscrupulous with a BASIC interpreter running inside a C64 emulator running on an iPhone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is there actually a method of doing anything unscrupulous with a BASIC interpreter running inside a C64 emulator running on an iPhone?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30098470</id>
	<title>Re:Can you actually do anything useful?</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1258221300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apple's problem is that they have a bunch of thieving users who think the iPhone is theirs to use as they wish just because they paid for it. Next thing you know, they'll be writing "hello world" and you know where that leads! If you give a bunch of scumbags like that even an inch, next thing you know, they'll be demanding that they get what they pay for every time! The nerve!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple 's problem is that they have a bunch of thieving users who think the iPhone is theirs to use as they wish just because they paid for it .
Next thing you know , they 'll be writing " hello world " and you know where that leads !
If you give a bunch of scumbags like that even an inch , next thing you know , they 'll be demanding that they get what they pay for every time !
The nerve !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple's problem is that they have a bunch of thieving users who think the iPhone is theirs to use as they wish just because they paid for it.
Next thing you know, they'll be writing "hello world" and you know where that leads!
If you give a bunch of scumbags like that even an inch, next thing you know, they'll be demanding that they get what they pay for every time!
The nerve!
!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095172</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30098700</id>
	<title>ModNation Racers</title>
	<author>Sir Toby</author>
	<datestamp>1258222620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I wonder if they built a modern "Racing Destruction Set" and gave it the level creation tools and networking power of Little Big Planet if it would be a long time hit.</p></div><p>We may get a chance to find out with <a href="http://blog.us.playstation.com/tag/modnation-racers/" title="playstation.com" rel="nofollow">ModNation Racers</a> [playstation.com] for the PS3.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if they built a modern " Racing Destruction Set " and gave it the level creation tools and networking power of Little Big Planet if it would be a long time hit.We may get a chance to find out with ModNation Racers [ playstation.com ] for the PS3 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder if they built a modern "Racing Destruction Set" and gave it the level creation tools and networking power of Little Big Planet if it would be a long time hit.We may get a chance to find out with ModNation Racers [playstation.com] for the PS3.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095508</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095806</id>
	<title>Re:Can you actually do anything useful?</title>
	<author>cheekyboy</author>
	<datestamp>1258189800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apple is just pissed that no one made an Apple2 EMU, because the c64 rocked ass and was 1000x more popular that apple<br>crap creation with 1970s green screen crap that was even crap in 1982.</p><p>Keyboard was nice, but the insides were dead boring and dull.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple is just pissed that no one made an Apple2 EMU , because the c64 rocked ass and was 1000x more popular that applecrap creation with 1970s green screen crap that was even crap in 1982.Keyboard was nice , but the insides were dead boring and dull .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple is just pissed that no one made an Apple2 EMU, because the c64 rocked ass and was 1000x more popular that applecrap creation with 1970s green screen crap that was even crap in 1982.Keyboard was nice, but the insides were dead boring and dull.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095172</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30097832</id>
	<title>Re:The point is ?</title>
	<author>soupforare</author>
	<datestamp>1258217100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's a great idea, as long as I can disable the phone part.  Don't want my Ultimate Wizard game interrupted.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a great idea , as long as I can disable the phone part .
Do n't want my Ultimate Wizard game interrupted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a great idea, as long as I can disable the phone part.
Don't want my Ultimate Wizard game interrupted.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095222</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095224</id>
	<title>Heh.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258136460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'll be over here playing Fort Apocalypse on my G1<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll be over here playing Fort Apocalypse on my G1 : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll be over here playing Fort Apocalypse on my G1 :)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095536</id>
	<title>lalalalala</title>
	<author>kaoshin</author>
	<datestamp>1258141620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't help but wonder if this whole soap opera isn't like just some jealous retribution against those old "COMMODORE ATE THE APPLE" newspaper headlines.  So now it is back, but they yanked out BASIC...</p><p>"Oh, no! We suck again!" - Rob Schneider</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't help but wonder if this whole soap opera is n't like just some jealous retribution against those old " COMMODORE ATE THE APPLE " newspaper headlines .
So now it is back , but they yanked out BASIC... " Oh , no !
We suck again !
" - Rob Schneider</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't help but wonder if this whole soap opera isn't like just some jealous retribution against those old "COMMODORE ATE THE APPLE" newspaper headlines.
So now it is back, but they yanked out BASIC..."Oh, no!
We suck again!
" - Rob Schneider</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095508</id>
	<title>Does it come with software?</title>
	<author>CrazyJim1</author>
	<datestamp>1258141260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>For some reason, Legacy of Ancients for C64 tugs at my heart strings as one of my favorite RPGS.  It was also one of my first computer RPGS, and there is always something about your first RPG where you feel powering up your character really matters.  I bet a lot of WOW people think powering up their character matters somehow because the game is so big.<br> <br>
My favorite things to do in Legacy of Ancients is to rob towns or to play flip flop(and consequently run out of town when I break the bank).  There is also a sequel: Legend of Blacksilver which was bigger, but Legacy of the Ancients seemed more fun... Sorta the same way Super Mario Bros 1 was more fun for its time than Super Mario Bros 3 was even though SMB3 was superior in several ways.<br> <br>
Other games I liked on C64 were: Mail Order Monsters, and Racing Destruction Set.  I wonder if they built a modern "Racing Destruction Set" and gave it the level creation tools and networking power of Little Big Planet if it would be a long time hit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>For some reason , Legacy of Ancients for C64 tugs at my heart strings as one of my favorite RPGS .
It was also one of my first computer RPGS , and there is always something about your first RPG where you feel powering up your character really matters .
I bet a lot of WOW people think powering up their character matters somehow because the game is so big .
My favorite things to do in Legacy of Ancients is to rob towns or to play flip flop ( and consequently run out of town when I break the bank ) .
There is also a sequel : Legend of Blacksilver which was bigger , but Legacy of the Ancients seemed more fun... Sorta the same way Super Mario Bros 1 was more fun for its time than Super Mario Bros 3 was even though SMB3 was superior in several ways .
Other games I liked on C64 were : Mail Order Monsters , and Racing Destruction Set .
I wonder if they built a modern " Racing Destruction Set " and gave it the level creation tools and networking power of Little Big Planet if it would be a long time hit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For some reason, Legacy of Ancients for C64 tugs at my heart strings as one of my favorite RPGS.
It was also one of my first computer RPGS, and there is always something about your first RPG where you feel powering up your character really matters.
I bet a lot of WOW people think powering up their character matters somehow because the game is so big.
My favorite things to do in Legacy of Ancients is to rob towns or to play flip flop(and consequently run out of town when I break the bank).
There is also a sequel: Legend of Blacksilver which was bigger, but Legacy of the Ancients seemed more fun... Sorta the same way Super Mario Bros 1 was more fun for its time than Super Mario Bros 3 was even though SMB3 was superior in several ways.
Other games I liked on C64 were: Mail Order Monsters, and Racing Destruction Set.
I wonder if they built a modern "Racing Destruction Set" and gave it the level creation tools and networking power of Little Big Planet if it would be a long time hit.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30096020</id>
	<title>so</title>
	<author>rossdee</author>
	<datestamp>1258194480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where do you put the 5.25 in disks?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where do you put the 5.25 in disks ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where do you put the 5.25 in disks?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30102136</id>
	<title>Re:Can you actually do anything useful?</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1258203180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You could copy and paste.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You could copy and paste .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could copy and paste.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095172</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095276</id>
	<title>Re:The point is ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258137120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Today: Commodore 64.</p><p>Tomorrow: VAX/VMS</p><p>Tuesday: Plan 9</p><p>Thursday: MacOS</p><p>Oh, wait....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Today : Commodore 64.Tomorrow : VAX/VMSTuesday : Plan 9Thursday : MacOSOh , wait... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Today: Commodore 64.Tomorrow: VAX/VMSTuesday: Plan 9Thursday: MacOSOh, wait....</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095222</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095742</id>
	<title>How many guru's started with BASIC?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258231860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Boo apple.

The early home computers, including Apple, shipped with BASIC and <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/232832/Applesoft-Basic-Programming-Reference-Manual" title="scribd.com">a nicely bound manual</a> [scribd.com] with clear instructions on simple programming.   This was the first step for many who are now players in the industry.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Boo apple .
The early home computers , including Apple , shipped with BASIC and a nicely bound manual [ scribd.com ] with clear instructions on simple programming .
This was the first step for many who are now players in the industry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Boo apple.
The early home computers, including Apple, shipped with BASIC and a nicely bound manual [scribd.com] with clear instructions on simple programming.
This was the first step for many who are now players in the industry.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30138550</id>
	<title>Everything That's Interpreted...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258470420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hmmm, there's tons of stuff that's interpreted... HTML is interpreted in the browser. Guess you can't use that. Every input box is interpreted and has an action performed on the user data. In a way, all user data/browser source code... etc is all interpreted. I guess Apple shouldn't allow ANY data to be interpreted if that's their stance... then you have a static program where it only has one course of action and always will perform the same way.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmmm , there 's tons of stuff that 's interpreted... HTML is interpreted in the browser .
Guess you ca n't use that .
Every input box is interpreted and has an action performed on the user data .
In a way , all user data/browser source code... etc is all interpreted .
I guess Apple should n't allow ANY data to be interpreted if that 's their stance... then you have a static program where it only has one course of action and always will perform the same way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmmm, there's tons of stuff that's interpreted... HTML is interpreted in the browser.
Guess you can't use that.
Every input box is interpreted and has an action performed on the user data.
In a way, all user data/browser source code... etc is all interpreted.
I guess Apple shouldn't allow ANY data to be interpreted if that's their stance... then you have a static program where it only has one course of action and always will perform the same way.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30096146</id>
	<title>Re:Can you actually do anything useful?</title>
	<author>mgblst</author>
	<datestamp>1258196940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is ignorant to talk about Apple being upset at not being able to make money from Commodore basic games.</p><p>You can already release as many free games as you want, which cost apple money to host, and they do not make a cent. Apple doesn't care if you release any game you want, or as many as you want for free. They will not stop you (as long as you follow the rules).</p><p>It is clearly not about money. It is about a rule Apple created, not for commodore basic, but for things like flash. basic just happens to fit into this rule.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is ignorant to talk about Apple being upset at not being able to make money from Commodore basic games.You can already release as many free games as you want , which cost apple money to host , and they do not make a cent .
Apple does n't care if you release any game you want , or as many as you want for free .
They will not stop you ( as long as you follow the rules ) .It is clearly not about money .
It is about a rule Apple created , not for commodore basic , but for things like flash .
basic just happens to fit into this rule .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is ignorant to talk about Apple being upset at not being able to make money from Commodore basic games.You can already release as many free games as you want, which cost apple money to host, and they do not make a cent.
Apple doesn't care if you release any game you want, or as many as you want for free.
They will not stop you (as long as you follow the rules).It is clearly not about money.
It is about a rule Apple created, not for commodore basic, but for things like flash.
basic just happens to fit into this rule.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095220</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095732</id>
	<title>Re:GPL violation?</title>
	<author>Trauma\_Hound1</author>
	<datestamp>1258231800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Meanwhile I can run frodo on my Moto Droid unrestricted.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Meanwhile I can run frodo on my Moto Droid unrestricted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Meanwhile I can run frodo on my Moto Droid unrestricted.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095268</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095778</id>
	<title>Obligatory XKCD</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258189440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://xkcd.com/662/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //xkcd.com/662/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://xkcd.com/662/</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30096300</id>
	<title>OTOH you stay relevant by giving people freedom</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258199700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I have just spent some time reviewing documents from just before the Wall fell [gwu.edu] and it was very clearly revealed that letting people have a little bit of freedom was ultimately disastrous.</i></p><p>Or maybe it was the fact that they never let people have any real freedom, and had informants and spies spying on their own people, that made people eventually rebel?</p><p>Not a good sign for Apple.. I own an iPhone, which I'm now wanting to replace as soon as something better comes along and I need it. It looks nice, but is crippled in so many ways, of course it's hacked, but still can't beat other offerings in technical functionality. I also own a 17" expensive Macbook Pro, which easily overheats and have non-standard keyboard and "BIOS", on which I'm running XP. The trackpad is nice, but that's about it, and it cost easily 4 times as much as decent PC laptops today.</p><p>Microsoft on the other hand is on the other top of their curve, and now has to sell Linux applications in order to stay relevant in the coming years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have just spent some time reviewing documents from just before the Wall fell [ gwu.edu ] and it was very clearly revealed that letting people have a little bit of freedom was ultimately disastrous.Or maybe it was the fact that they never let people have any real freedom , and had informants and spies spying on their own people , that made people eventually rebel ? Not a good sign for Apple.. I own an iPhone , which I 'm now wanting to replace as soon as something better comes along and I need it .
It looks nice , but is crippled in so many ways , of course it 's hacked , but still ca n't beat other offerings in technical functionality .
I also own a 17 " expensive Macbook Pro , which easily overheats and have non-standard keyboard and " BIOS " , on which I 'm running XP .
The trackpad is nice , but that 's about it , and it cost easily 4 times as much as decent PC laptops today.Microsoft on the other hand is on the other top of their curve , and now has to sell Linux applications in order to stay relevant in the coming years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have just spent some time reviewing documents from just before the Wall fell [gwu.edu] and it was very clearly revealed that letting people have a little bit of freedom was ultimately disastrous.Or maybe it was the fact that they never let people have any real freedom, and had informants and spies spying on their own people, that made people eventually rebel?Not a good sign for Apple.. I own an iPhone, which I'm now wanting to replace as soon as something better comes along and I need it.
It looks nice, but is crippled in so many ways, of course it's hacked, but still can't beat other offerings in technical functionality.
I also own a 17" expensive Macbook Pro, which easily overheats and have non-standard keyboard and "BIOS", on which I'm running XP.
The trackpad is nice, but that's about it, and it cost easily 4 times as much as decent PC laptops today.Microsoft on the other hand is on the other top of their curve, and now has to sell Linux applications in order to stay relevant in the coming years.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30103740</id>
	<title>Re:Can you actually do anything useful?</title>
	<author>sootman</author>
	<datestamp>1258219740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Apple must control everything. Yes, they regard even a BASIC interpreter as a threat."</p><p>No, it's not that. They consider GOTO to be harmful.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Apple must control everything .
Yes , they regard even a BASIC interpreter as a threat .
" No , it 's not that .
They consider GOTO to be harmful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Apple must control everything.
Yes, they regard even a BASIC interpreter as a threat.
"No, it's not that.
They consider GOTO to be harmful.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095422</id>
	<title>I have a Droid</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258139280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Screw Apple, give US this app in all its glory.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Screw Apple , give US this app in all its glory .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Screw Apple, give US this app in all its glory.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30097120</id>
	<title>Apple saves world from 8-bit nuclear attack</title>
	<author>David Gerard</author>
	<datestamp>1258211100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Despite months of negotiations to get a Commodore 64 emulator approved for the iPhone, Apple has <a href="http://notnews.today.com/2009/09/10/apple-saves-world-from-commodore-64-nuclear-attack/" title="today.com">pulled the application after just two days</a> [today.com] after a hack was found that enables the BASIC interpreter.

</p><p>&ldquo;Anything capable of allowing programming &mdash; any programming &mdash; could be a security risk to the iPhone and its users,&rdquo; said Apple in a statement to the Library of Congress on copyright. &ldquo;As such, it is absolutely vital for the safety of the nation that we vet every single application and collect 30\% on each one.&rdquo;

</p><p>Apple software reviewers, who are generally moonlighting from day jobs as TSA airport security policy writers, fear a wave of 1980s-style &ldquo;hackers&rdquo; using the iPhone to &ldquo;dial&rdquo; into NASA or National Security Agency computers using the accompanying 300-Baud Acoustic-Coupled Modem application. &ldquo;We had our suspicions when the app lit the user&rsquo;s face from below in just the right shade of green to show off their cheekbones really photogenically.&rdquo;

</p><p>Reviewers were particularly concerned that the BASIC interpreter was originally written by Microsoft. &ldquo;Of course, their security is famously terrible,&rdquo; said one reviewer in a break from torturing kittens. &ldquo;We&rsquo;d probably get a Commodore 64 virus. And their sense of aesthetics! No way Steve would ever let that through.&rdquo;

</p><p>A similar Commodore 64 emulator that gives ten cents to AT&amp;T every time a user runs a game has passed approval in two days.

</p><p>&ldquo;A strange phone,&rdquo; said NSA correspondent &ldquo;WOPR.&rdquo; &ldquo;The only winning move is not to buy.&rdquo;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Despite months of negotiations to get a Commodore 64 emulator approved for the iPhone , Apple has pulled the application after just two days [ today.com ] after a hack was found that enables the BASIC interpreter .
   Anything capable of allowing programming    any programming    could be a security risk to the iPhone and its users ,    said Apple in a statement to the Library of Congress on copyright .
   As such , it is absolutely vital for the safety of the nation that we vet every single application and collect 30 \ % on each one.    Apple software reviewers , who are generally moonlighting from day jobs as TSA airport security policy writers , fear a wave of 1980s-style    hackers    using the iPhone to    dial    into NASA or National Security Agency computers using the accompanying 300-Baud Acoustic-Coupled Modem application .
   We had our suspicions when the app lit the user    s face from below in just the right shade of green to show off their cheekbones really photogenically.    Reviewers were particularly concerned that the BASIC interpreter was originally written by Microsoft .
   Of course , their security is famously terrible ,    said one reviewer in a break from torturing kittens .
   We    d probably get a Commodore 64 virus .
And their sense of aesthetics !
No way Steve would ever let that through.    A similar Commodore 64 emulator that gives ten cents to AT&amp;T every time a user runs a game has passed approval in two days .
   A strange phone ,    said NSA correspondent    WOPR.       The only winning move is not to buy.   </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Despite months of negotiations to get a Commodore 64 emulator approved for the iPhone, Apple has pulled the application after just two days [today.com] after a hack was found that enables the BASIC interpreter.
“Anything capable of allowing programming — any programming — could be a security risk to the iPhone and its users,” said Apple in a statement to the Library of Congress on copyright.
“As such, it is absolutely vital for the safety of the nation that we vet every single application and collect 30\% on each one.”

Apple software reviewers, who are generally moonlighting from day jobs as TSA airport security policy writers, fear a wave of 1980s-style “hackers” using the iPhone to “dial” into NASA or National Security Agency computers using the accompanying 300-Baud Acoustic-Coupled Modem application.
“We had our suspicions when the app lit the user’s face from below in just the right shade of green to show off their cheekbones really photogenically.”

Reviewers were particularly concerned that the BASIC interpreter was originally written by Microsoft.
“Of course, their security is famously terrible,” said one reviewer in a break from torturing kittens.
“We’d probably get a Commodore 64 virus.
And their sense of aesthetics!
No way Steve would ever let that through.”

A similar Commodore 64 emulator that gives ten cents to AT&amp;T every time a user runs a game has passed approval in two days.
“A strange phone,” said NSA correspondent “WOPR.” “The only winning move is not to buy.”</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30096102</id>
	<title>Re:Can you actually do anything useful?</title>
	<author>Hope Thelps</author>
	<datestamp>1258195620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ah, but there is another side to this technology. Next Friday will be <a href="http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/11/17/204207" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">Junis day</a> [slashdot.org],a reminder to us all of the contributions of Commodore computers to the causes of liberty and to international journalism. Millions of impoverished Afghanis rely on Commodore Basic emulators on their iPhones to be able to participate in the international community. Apple are clearly hindering this in hopes of appealing to the lucrative Taliban market instead. Such cynicism is appalling.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah , but there is another side to this technology .
Next Friday will be Junis day [ slashdot.org ] ,a reminder to us all of the contributions of Commodore computers to the causes of liberty and to international journalism .
Millions of impoverished Afghanis rely on Commodore Basic emulators on their iPhones to be able to participate in the international community .
Apple are clearly hindering this in hopes of appealing to the lucrative Taliban market instead .
Such cynicism is appalling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah, but there is another side to this technology.
Next Friday will be Junis day [slashdot.org],a reminder to us all of the contributions of Commodore computers to the causes of liberty and to international journalism.
Millions of impoverished Afghanis rely on Commodore Basic emulators on their iPhones to be able to participate in the international community.
Apple are clearly hindering this in hopes of appealing to the lucrative Taliban market instead.
Such cynicism is appalling.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095222</id>
	<title>The point is ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258136460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What is the point of running a Commodore C64 Basic application on a DAMN PHONE ?</p><p>--Ivan</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What is the point of running a Commodore C64 Basic application on a DAMN PHONE ? --Ivan</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is the point of running a Commodore C64 Basic application on a DAMN PHONE ?--Ivan</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095698</id>
	<title>Re:Can you actually do anything useful?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258231260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, it's because they're still bitter that the C64 spanked the Apple II every which way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , it 's because they 're still bitter that the C64 spanked the Apple II every which way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, it's because they're still bitter that the C64 spanked the Apple II every which way.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095334</id>
	<title>Re:The point is ?</title>
	<author>RedOctober</author>
	<datestamp>1258138080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you have to ask, you will never know.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you have to ask , you will never know .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you have to ask, you will never know.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30096630</id>
	<title>No</title>
	<author>Ilgaz</author>
	<datestamp>1258205280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No. Pick another platform which doesn't have such stupid limitations.</p><p><a href="http://www.symbian.org/devices" title="symbian.org">http://www.symbian.org/devices</a> [symbian.org]<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open\_Handset\_Alliance#Members" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open\_Handset\_Alliance#Members</a> [wikipedia.org]<br><a href="http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/en-us/devices/default.mspx" title="microsoft.com">http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/en-us/devices/default.mspx</a> [microsoft.com]</p><p>Show some kind of dignity. Stop buying devices treating you like some sort of criminal, 50 IQ idiot, 10 year old kid. Posted from Quad Core G5 btw...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No .
Pick another platform which does n't have such stupid limitations.http : //www.symbian.org/devices [ symbian.org ] http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open \ _Handset \ _Alliance # Members [ wikipedia.org ] http : //www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/en-us/devices/default.mspx [ microsoft.com ] Show some kind of dignity .
Stop buying devices treating you like some sort of criminal , 50 IQ idiot , 10 year old kid .
Posted from Quad Core G5 btw.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No.
Pick another platform which doesn't have such stupid limitations.http://www.symbian.org/devices [symbian.org]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open\_Handset\_Alliance#Members [wikipedia.org]http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/en-us/devices/default.mspx [microsoft.com]Show some kind of dignity.
Stop buying devices treating you like some sort of criminal, 50 IQ idiot, 10 year old kid.
Posted from Quad Core G5 btw...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30109906</id>
	<title>it's an appliance, not a pocket computer</title>
	<author>eagl</author>
	<datestamp>1258287060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People need to realize that the iphone isn't a pocket computer.  It's an appliance.  Apple didn't market it as a pocket computer, and iphone owners did not purchase the right to run whatever software they like on it.  You buy that right when you buy any apple computer, but you can't purchase that right with an iphone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People need to realize that the iphone is n't a pocket computer .
It 's an appliance .
Apple did n't market it as a pocket computer , and iphone owners did not purchase the right to run whatever software they like on it .
You buy that right when you buy any apple computer , but you ca n't purchase that right with an iphone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People need to realize that the iphone isn't a pocket computer.
It's an appliance.
Apple didn't market it as a pocket computer, and iphone owners did not purchase the right to run whatever software they like on it.
You buy that right when you buy any apple computer, but you can't purchase that right with an iphone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30100406</id>
	<title>Re:Can you actually do anything useful?</title>
	<author>Swift2001</author>
	<datestamp>1258190400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I get it. The anti-Apple crusaders make the mistake of confusing an iPhone with a totalitarian state. It's nothing of the sort. They make objects which are supported by software. They're quite popular. If they double their market share again, they might have 20\% of the computer market, though I really don't think that's likely. But you know what? You don't have to have a Mac, or an iPhone, or anything at all made by Apple. They're quite popular. They're turning a good profit.</p><p>If you want to collect a bunch of parts, strap it together with a Linux distro, fine. Apple isn't stopping you for an instant. If you want to put Windows on the hardware, go ahead.</p><p>You see yourselves as crusaders for freedom. I see you as predictable anti-authoritarians, seeing Daddy in everything. Tell me if you need an allowance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I get it .
The anti-Apple crusaders make the mistake of confusing an iPhone with a totalitarian state .
It 's nothing of the sort .
They make objects which are supported by software .
They 're quite popular .
If they double their market share again , they might have 20 \ % of the computer market , though I really do n't think that 's likely .
But you know what ?
You do n't have to have a Mac , or an iPhone , or anything at all made by Apple .
They 're quite popular .
They 're turning a good profit.If you want to collect a bunch of parts , strap it together with a Linux distro , fine .
Apple is n't stopping you for an instant .
If you want to put Windows on the hardware , go ahead.You see yourselves as crusaders for freedom .
I see you as predictable anti-authoritarians , seeing Daddy in everything .
Tell me if you need an allowance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I get it.
The anti-Apple crusaders make the mistake of confusing an iPhone with a totalitarian state.
It's nothing of the sort.
They make objects which are supported by software.
They're quite popular.
If they double their market share again, they might have 20\% of the computer market, though I really don't think that's likely.
But you know what?
You don't have to have a Mac, or an iPhone, or anything at all made by Apple.
They're quite popular.
They're turning a good profit.If you want to collect a bunch of parts, strap it together with a Linux distro, fine.
Apple isn't stopping you for an instant.
If you want to put Windows on the hardware, go ahead.You see yourselves as crusaders for freedom.
I see you as predictable anti-authoritarians, seeing Daddy in everything.
Tell me if you need an allowance.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30096826</id>
	<title>Re:The point is ?</title>
	<author>Hognoxious</author>
	<datestamp>1258208220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Friday: the Hurd.<br>Saturday: Duke Nukem Forever.</p><p>[small print] Days referred to above do not denote a specific Friday or Saturday, especially not next Friday or Saturday. VWP. YMMV. IJMUTA. [/]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Friday : the Hurd.Saturday : Duke Nukem Forever .
[ small print ] Days referred to above do not denote a specific Friday or Saturday , especially not next Friday or Saturday .
VWP. YMMV .
IJMUTA. [ / ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Friday: the Hurd.Saturday: Duke Nukem Forever.
[small print] Days referred to above do not denote a specific Friday or Saturday, especially not next Friday or Saturday.
VWP. YMMV.
IJMUTA. [/]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30115284</id>
	<title>Re:Can you actually do anything useful?</title>
	<author>AttilaSz</author>
	<datestamp>1258386780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes. You could have dusted off a computer magazine from the '80s and then type in by hand a game you found in one of them. On the on-screen keyboard. You could probably accomplish this in few days of typing.</p><p>(For those too young to remember, computer magazines in the '80s sometime published printed source code for small games that the readers could type in by hand to play the games.)</p><p>That's why Apple's objection was stupid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes .
You could have dusted off a computer magazine from the '80s and then type in by hand a game you found in one of them .
On the on-screen keyboard .
You could probably accomplish this in few days of typing .
( For those too young to remember , computer magazines in the '80s sometime published printed source code for small games that the readers could type in by hand to play the games .
) That 's why Apple 's objection was stupid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes.
You could have dusted off a computer magazine from the '80s and then type in by hand a game you found in one of them.
On the on-screen keyboard.
You could probably accomplish this in few days of typing.
(For those too young to remember, computer magazines in the '80s sometime published printed source code for small games that the readers could type in by hand to play the games.
)That's why Apple's objection was stupid.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30097498</id>
	<title>Re:The point is ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258214040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The point depends on who you are.</p><p>1. If you're a elementary or middle school student, BASIC is one way to begin learning how to program. Basic is ok, Logo is better, Python probably better still. (If you want to program in Java, well, you can switch to an android like device, expecially when a non-phone version becomes available.).  In this case, image the iPod Touch as the $100 notebook computer that XO (Google, Microsoft, etc) is thinking about.</p><p>2. If you're a budding hacker or computer scientist, by the time you are in middle school or high school, the observation that "First the Commodore, then the Vax, then<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... OS X" shows what's up. This is computer science of the 21st century.</p><p>3. If you're more sinister minded, well there are all sorts of nice things you can do in an interpretative framework. The least you can do is create security headaches for Apple and the App developer as you try to crack through the sandbox. The best you can do is get access to the phone services and make very infrequent calls to a nice 900 number<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... something along the lines David Pogue "How Much do you Charge Now" article<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/12/verizon-how-much-do-you-charge-now/<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...or Randal Stross's article detailing Google Voice's complaint about "traffic pumping"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/01/business/01digi.html</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The point depends on who you are.1 .
If you 're a elementary or middle school student , BASIC is one way to begin learning how to program .
Basic is ok , Logo is better , Python probably better still .
( If you want to program in Java , well , you can switch to an android like device , expecially when a non-phone version becomes available. ) .
In this case , image the iPod Touch as the $ 100 notebook computer that XO ( Google , Microsoft , etc ) is thinking about.2 .
If you 're a budding hacker or computer scientist , by the time you are in middle school or high school , the observation that " First the Commodore , then the Vax , then ... OS X " shows what 's up .
This is computer science of the 21st century.3 .
If you 're more sinister minded , well there are all sorts of nice things you can do in an interpretative framework .
The least you can do is create security headaches for Apple and the App developer as you try to crack through the sandbox .
The best you can do is get access to the phone services and make very infrequent calls to a nice 900 number ... something along the lines David Pogue " How Much do you Charge Now " article ... http : //pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/12/verizon-how-much-do-you-charge-now/ ...or Randal Stross 's article detailing Google Voice 's complaint about " traffic pumping " ... http : //www.nytimes.com/2009/11/01/business/01digi.html</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The point depends on who you are.1.
If you're a elementary or middle school student, BASIC is one way to begin learning how to program.
Basic is ok, Logo is better, Python probably better still.
(If you want to program in Java, well, you can switch to an android like device, expecially when a non-phone version becomes available.).
In this case, image the iPod Touch as the $100 notebook computer that XO (Google, Microsoft, etc) is thinking about.2.
If you're a budding hacker or computer scientist, by the time you are in middle school or high school, the observation that "First the Commodore, then the Vax, then ... OS X" shows what's up.
This is computer science of the 21st century.3.
If you're more sinister minded, well there are all sorts of nice things you can do in an interpretative framework.
The least you can do is create security headaches for Apple and the App developer as you try to crack through the sandbox.
The best you can do is get access to the phone services and make very infrequent calls to a nice 900 number ... something along the lines David Pogue "How Much do you Charge Now" article ... http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/12/verizon-how-much-do-you-charge-now/ ...or Randal Stross's article detailing Google Voice's complaint about "traffic pumping" ... http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/01/business/01digi.html</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095912</id>
	<title>Re:Another STUPID iPhone story!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258191900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you'd bother to read into the history of this, you'd understand why it's news-worthy.  It was accepted by Apple, then pulled down awhile ago, due to "breaking the agreement," which caused the media to pick it up regarding if Apple should be allowed this level of control and what not.  So the program isn't what's news, the fact that they were able to get around Apple is.  If you'd bothered to have read the articles and a little bit of the history, you'd know that.  Then again, it's typical for you Apple bashers to just come out and bash them without knowing a single fact.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 'd bother to read into the history of this , you 'd understand why it 's news-worthy .
It was accepted by Apple , then pulled down awhile ago , due to " breaking the agreement , " which caused the media to pick it up regarding if Apple should be allowed this level of control and what not .
So the program is n't what 's news , the fact that they were able to get around Apple is .
If you 'd bothered to have read the articles and a little bit of the history , you 'd know that .
Then again , it 's typical for you Apple bashers to just come out and bash them without knowing a single fact .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you'd bother to read into the history of this, you'd understand why it's news-worthy.
It was accepted by Apple, then pulled down awhile ago, due to "breaking the agreement," which caused the media to pick it up regarding if Apple should be allowed this level of control and what not.
So the program isn't what's news, the fact that they were able to get around Apple is.
If you'd bothered to have read the articles and a little bit of the history, you'd know that.
Then again, it's typical for you Apple bashers to just come out and bash them without knowing a single fact.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30100512</id>
	<title>Re:Can you actually do anything useful?</title>
	<author>Brian Gordon</author>
	<datestamp>1258191060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But they'll only sign your game if you're not charging for it. If you don't need a signature at all then you can charge.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But they 'll only sign your game if you 're not charging for it .
If you do n't need a signature at all then you can charge .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But they'll only sign your game if you're not charging for it.
If you don't need a signature at all then you can charge.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095268</id>
	<title>GPL violation?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258137000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This App is based on Frodo, a GPL licensed C64 emulator. While it offers, upon request, to email the Frodo source code to you (which can also be downloaded straight from the web site), it doesn't offer to send the source code of the complete App.</p><p>The Frodo source code is an integral part of the app, obviously, so I suspect this app will land them in choppy waters soon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This App is based on Frodo , a GPL licensed C64 emulator .
While it offers , upon request , to email the Frodo source code to you ( which can also be downloaded straight from the web site ) , it does n't offer to send the source code of the complete App.The Frodo source code is an integral part of the app , obviously , so I suspect this app will land them in choppy waters soon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This App is based on Frodo, a GPL licensed C64 emulator.
While it offers, upon request, to email the Frodo source code to you (which can also be downloaded straight from the web site), it doesn't offer to send the source code of the complete App.The Frodo source code is an integral part of the app, obviously, so I suspect this app will land them in choppy waters soon.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30100782</id>
	<title>Re:Can you actually do anything useful?</title>
	<author>domatic</author>
	<datestamp>1258193100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Umm.  Apparently one could still develop in machine code for the C-64 and this emulator would execute that. And that is far more fertile ground for breaking out of the sandbox and attacking the emulator and then iPhone itself (yes, yes, it isn't a GREAT attack vector but work with me here.....). Of course they could require signing the C-64 binaries but then what would be point?   You may as well re-implement the C-64's Greatest Hits in native code for the phone itself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Umm .
Apparently one could still develop in machine code for the C-64 and this emulator would execute that .
And that is far more fertile ground for breaking out of the sandbox and attacking the emulator and then iPhone itself ( yes , yes , it is n't a GREAT attack vector but work with me here..... ) .
Of course they could require signing the C-64 binaries but then what would be point ?
You may as well re-implement the C-64 's Greatest Hits in native code for the phone itself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Umm.
Apparently one could still develop in machine code for the C-64 and this emulator would execute that.
And that is far more fertile ground for breaking out of the sandbox and attacking the emulator and then iPhone itself (yes, yes, it isn't a GREAT attack vector but work with me here.....).
Of course they could require signing the C-64 binaries but then what would be point?
You may as well re-implement the C-64's Greatest Hits in native code for the phone itself.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30106390</id>
	<title>Sorry, not interested in C64 on iPhone</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258307280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm waiting for AmigaOS on Droid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm waiting for AmigaOS on Droid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm waiting for AmigaOS on Droid.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30102104</id>
	<title>Re:Another STUPID iPhone story!</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1258203060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree. Fair enough it's newsworthy that their batshit policies banned it, but now they finally allow it isn't newsworthy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree .
Fair enough it 's newsworthy that their batshit policies banned it , but now they finally allow it is n't newsworthy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree.
Fair enough it's newsworthy that their batshit policies banned it, but now they finally allow it isn't newsworthy.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30104732</id>
	<title>Re:Can you actually do anything useful?</title>
	<author>nathanh</author>
	<datestamp>1258276500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> <i>Is there actually a method of doing anything unscrupulous with a BASIC interpreter running inside a C64 emulator running on an iPhone?

</i></p></div> </blockquote><p>Not likely unscrupulous, but an interpreter on the iPhone would allow developers to sell iPhone software without going through the App Store. Apple has decided - for better or worse - that they must review and approve all applications on the iPhone. Therefore no interpreters.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is there actually a method of doing anything unscrupulous with a BASIC interpreter running inside a C64 emulator running on an iPhone ?
Not likely unscrupulous , but an interpreter on the iPhone would allow developers to sell iPhone software without going through the App Store .
Apple has decided - for better or worse - that they must review and approve all applications on the iPhone .
Therefore no interpreters .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Is there actually a method of doing anything unscrupulous with a BASIC interpreter running inside a C64 emulator running on an iPhone?
Not likely unscrupulous, but an interpreter on the iPhone would allow developers to sell iPhone software without going through the App Store.
Apple has decided - for better or worse - that they must review and approve all applications on the iPhone.
Therefore no interpreters.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095220</id>
	<title>Re:Can you actually do anything useful?</title>
	<author>Brian Gordon</author>
	<datestamp>1258136400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hate the ridiculous anti-free nature of the app store, but it's not hard to see why Apple would be concerned. The fear is that if a program gets into the App Store that allows any sort of user-provided data to be executed, then evil unlicensed apps could be delivered to the platform through that interpreter.</p><p>For example, instead of writing your games in C and paying Apple to sell them on the app store, you could write your game in BASIC and deliver them through the C64 emulator. Apple makes no money. Not exactly practical, but if there's a hole in the interpreter environment that allows a jump into raw binary data (which could be set to ARM instructions) then it's up to the app developer to fix it, and Apple has no control. This is the kind of problem that plagued TI calculators for years until they decided to open them up, and was the door into custom unsigned software on game consoles before the age of modchips and hard drives.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hate the ridiculous anti-free nature of the app store , but it 's not hard to see why Apple would be concerned .
The fear is that if a program gets into the App Store that allows any sort of user-provided data to be executed , then evil unlicensed apps could be delivered to the platform through that interpreter.For example , instead of writing your games in C and paying Apple to sell them on the app store , you could write your game in BASIC and deliver them through the C64 emulator .
Apple makes no money .
Not exactly practical , but if there 's a hole in the interpreter environment that allows a jump into raw binary data ( which could be set to ARM instructions ) then it 's up to the app developer to fix it , and Apple has no control .
This is the kind of problem that plagued TI calculators for years until they decided to open them up , and was the door into custom unsigned software on game consoles before the age of modchips and hard drives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hate the ridiculous anti-free nature of the app store, but it's not hard to see why Apple would be concerned.
The fear is that if a program gets into the App Store that allows any sort of user-provided data to be executed, then evil unlicensed apps could be delivered to the platform through that interpreter.For example, instead of writing your games in C and paying Apple to sell them on the app store, you could write your game in BASIC and deliver them through the C64 emulator.
Apple makes no money.
Not exactly practical, but if there's a hole in the interpreter environment that allows a jump into raw binary data (which could be set to ARM instructions) then it's up to the app developer to fix it, and Apple has no control.
This is the kind of problem that plagued TI calculators for years until they decided to open them up, and was the door into custom unsigned software on game consoles before the age of modchips and hard drives.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:The app's BASIC really wasn't that usable anywa</title>
	<author>konohitowa</author>
	<datestamp>1258316160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You lack persistence. I'm nearly done entering all of the DATA statements for a full assembler. Probably only need a few more weeks and then a few nights of verifying what I've entered. I've tacked on a bit of code to poke the whole thing into REM statements, at which point I'll be ready to recreate Zaxxon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You lack persistence .
I 'm nearly done entering all of the DATA statements for a full assembler .
Probably only need a few more weeks and then a few nights of verifying what I 've entered .
I 've tacked on a bit of code to poke the whole thing into REM statements , at which point I 'll be ready to recreate Zaxxon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You lack persistence.
I'm nearly done entering all of the DATA statements for a full assembler.
Probably only need a few more weeks and then a few nights of verifying what I've entered.
I've tacked on a bit of code to poke the whole thing into REM statements, at which point I'll be ready to recreate Zaxxon.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30104754</id>
	<title>Re:Can you actually do anything useful?</title>
	<author>hazydave</author>
	<datestamp>1258276920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes... you can run a program Apple doesn't control get paid for. That is, after all, the highest crime possible on the iPhone. And the reason open interpreters are not permitted. Regular iPhone applications are subject to the approvals process of the Powers That Be at Apple. But they would not be able to approve C64 BASIC, Java, or Shockwave programs (for example). And since Apple know much better than you which applications should be running on the iPhone, that would not be good.</p><p>The security argument is a straw man, if it's even being made... no BASIC program could influence anything outside of the 6510 "sandbox" of the emulator. In fact, in these things, even the I/O is emulated... you can't even write to a normal system file, you read from and write to special system files, which are managed under a 1541 disc emulator.</p><p>For anyone actually interested in a full fledged C64 emulator, there's a complete, uncrippled version of the Frodo C64 emulator available, free, on the Android apps store right now... though they need to fix the keymap to work with the DROID keyboard<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes... you can run a program Apple does n't control get paid for .
That is , after all , the highest crime possible on the iPhone .
And the reason open interpreters are not permitted .
Regular iPhone applications are subject to the approvals process of the Powers That Be at Apple .
But they would not be able to approve C64 BASIC , Java , or Shockwave programs ( for example ) .
And since Apple know much better than you which applications should be running on the iPhone , that would not be good.The security argument is a straw man , if it 's even being made... no BASIC program could influence anything outside of the 6510 " sandbox " of the emulator .
In fact , in these things , even the I/O is emulated... you ca n't even write to a normal system file , you read from and write to special system files , which are managed under a 1541 disc emulator.For anyone actually interested in a full fledged C64 emulator , there 's a complete , uncrippled version of the Frodo C64 emulator available , free , on the Android apps store right now... though they need to fix the keymap to work with the DROID keyboard : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes... you can run a program Apple doesn't control get paid for.
That is, after all, the highest crime possible on the iPhone.
And the reason open interpreters are not permitted.
Regular iPhone applications are subject to the approvals process of the Powers That Be at Apple.
But they would not be able to approve C64 BASIC, Java, or Shockwave programs (for example).
And since Apple know much better than you which applications should be running on the iPhone, that would not be good.The security argument is a straw man, if it's even being made... no BASIC program could influence anything outside of the 6510 "sandbox" of the emulator.
In fact, in these things, even the I/O is emulated... you can't even write to a normal system file, you read from and write to special system files, which are managed under a 1541 disc emulator.For anyone actually interested in a full fledged C64 emulator, there's a complete, uncrippled version of the Frodo C64 emulator available, free, on the Android apps store right now... though they need to fix the keymap to work with the DROID keyboard :-)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30096540</id>
	<title>Re:Can you actually do anything useful?</title>
	<author>welshie</author>
	<datestamp>1258203780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So, in what way is a 6510 emulator not interpreting machine code opcodes, and executing, er.. program code, and why is that different to that same interpreter interpreting a program that allows you to interpret BASIC program code?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So , in what way is a 6510 emulator not interpreting machine code opcodes , and executing , er.. program code , and why is that different to that same interpreter interpreting a program that allows you to interpret BASIC program code ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, in what way is a 6510 emulator not interpreting machine code opcodes, and executing, er.. program code, and why is that different to that same interpreter interpreting a program that allows you to interpret BASIC program code?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095486</id>
	<title>The app's BASIC really wasn't that usable anyway</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258140720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I downloaded it before it got taken down the first time and had fun entering BASIC command for a couple of seconds before I lost interest. Touch screen keyboards are fine for quick SMS messages or email but I couldn't imagine being such a masochist that I'd want to enter entire programs in with one! I suppose someone with enough resolve could do some amazing stuff and create an alternative interface to the iPhone with 8bit PETSCII glory. Actually that would be kinda cool.</p><p>Anyway despite that, I kept the application and won't be upgrading, if only just to (Mr Burns voice) honk off my Apple masters<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I downloaded it before it got taken down the first time and had fun entering BASIC command for a couple of seconds before I lost interest .
Touch screen keyboards are fine for quick SMS messages or email but I could n't imagine being such a masochist that I 'd want to enter entire programs in with one !
I suppose someone with enough resolve could do some amazing stuff and create an alternative interface to the iPhone with 8bit PETSCII glory .
Actually that would be kinda cool.Anyway despite that , I kept the application and wo n't be upgrading , if only just to ( Mr Burns voice ) honk off my Apple masters : ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I downloaded it before it got taken down the first time and had fun entering BASIC command for a couple of seconds before I lost interest.
Touch screen keyboards are fine for quick SMS messages or email but I couldn't imagine being such a masochist that I'd want to enter entire programs in with one!
I suppose someone with enough resolve could do some amazing stuff and create an alternative interface to the iPhone with 8bit PETSCII glory.
Actually that would be kinda cool.Anyway despite that, I kept the application and won't be upgrading, if only just to (Mr Burns voice) honk off my Apple masters :).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30100364</id>
	<title>Die Wand mot fallen</title>
	<author>Kupfernigk</author>
	<datestamp>1258189980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>(from a plaque in a small German town whose name I now forget - in the late Middle Ages the local landowner tried to enclose common land and sent his soldiers to stop any local men who tried to demolish it. The wall was demolished by the local women: the soldiers were barred by their personal honour from fighting women.)<p>My point here is that in the longer run what will destroy the Wall is that there are now going to be three Linux based phone OSes, Android, Maemo and Samsung's Bada. To get developer traction these must all offer developer features that the iPhone does not. The ability to run FOSS applications without DRM is what developers want to hear.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>( from a plaque in a small German town whose name I now forget - in the late Middle Ages the local landowner tried to enclose common land and sent his soldiers to stop any local men who tried to demolish it .
The wall was demolished by the local women : the soldiers were barred by their personal honour from fighting women .
) My point here is that in the longer run what will destroy the Wall is that there are now going to be three Linux based phone OSes , Android , Maemo and Samsung 's Bada .
To get developer traction these must all offer developer features that the iPhone does not .
The ability to run FOSS applications without DRM is what developers want to hear .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(from a plaque in a small German town whose name I now forget - in the late Middle Ages the local landowner tried to enclose common land and sent his soldiers to stop any local men who tried to demolish it.
The wall was demolished by the local women: the soldiers were barred by their personal honour from fighting women.
)My point here is that in the longer run what will destroy the Wall is that there are now going to be three Linux based phone OSes, Android, Maemo and Samsung's Bada.
To get developer traction these must all offer developer features that the iPhone does not.
The ability to run FOSS applications without DRM is what developers want to hear.</sentencetext>
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-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0325245.30095858
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