<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_13_1729241</id>
	<title>NASA's LCROSS Mission Proves Lunar Ice Suspicions</title>
	<author>ScuttleMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1258140600000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>NASA is reporting that preliminary data from the LCROSS mission indicates that there <a href="http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/nasas-lcross-impacts-confirm-water-in-lunar-crater-69977192.html">really is water in one of the permanently shadowed lunar craters</a>, just as they <a href="http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/09/24/0212221/Unambiguous-Evidence-of-Water-On-the-Moon?from=rss">suspected back in September</a>.  <i>"'We are ecstatic,' said Anthony Colaprete, LCROSS project scientist and principal investigator at NASA's Ames Research Center in Moffett Field, Calif. 'Multiple lines of evidence show water was present in both the high angle vapor plume and the ejecta curtain created by the LCROSS Centaur impact. The concentration and distribution of water and other substances requires further analysis, but it is safe to say Cabeus holds water.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>NASA is reporting that preliminary data from the LCROSS mission indicates that there really is water in one of the permanently shadowed lunar craters , just as they suspected back in September .
" 'We are ecstatic, ' said Anthony Colaprete , LCROSS project scientist and principal investigator at NASA 's Ames Research Center in Moffett Field , Calif. 'Multiple lines of evidence show water was present in both the high angle vapor plume and the ejecta curtain created by the LCROSS Centaur impact .
The concentration and distribution of water and other substances requires further analysis , but it is safe to say Cabeus holds water .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NASA is reporting that preliminary data from the LCROSS mission indicates that there really is water in one of the permanently shadowed lunar craters, just as they suspected back in September.
"'We are ecstatic,' said Anthony Colaprete, LCROSS project scientist and principal investigator at NASA's Ames Research Center in Moffett Field, Calif. 'Multiple lines of evidence show water was present in both the high angle vapor plume and the ejecta curtain created by the LCROSS Centaur impact.
The concentration and distribution of water and other substances requires further analysis, but it is safe to say Cabeus holds water.
'"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30091678</id>
	<title>Re:Whats the hold up</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258106160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pointless? That's pretty much the reason you don't design interplanetary vehicles.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) Go and look at the space shuttle. Now look at the space shuttle compared to the size of the fuel tanks needed to lift it into orbit. I'll wait. Hell I'll even give you a link. <a href="http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/history/shuttle-mir/multimedia/photos/sts-79/79p-065.jpg" title="nasa.gov" rel="nofollow">http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/history/shuttle-mir/multimedia/photos/sts-79/79p-065.jpg</a> [nasa.gov] Notice anything? The space shuttle is pretty small compared to all the fuel required to break orbit isn't it? The fuel required to leave moon orbit is astronomically smaller than the fuel required to leave earth orbit. Setting up a manned moon base would be the first step into real interplanetary travel. Your quip that it is "exceedingly expensive" is laughable when you look at how much money the US wastes daily on war and other negative influences to humanity.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pointless ?
That 's pretty much the reason you do n't design interplanetary vehicles .
: ) Go and look at the space shuttle .
Now look at the space shuttle compared to the size of the fuel tanks needed to lift it into orbit .
I 'll wait .
Hell I 'll even give you a link .
http : //spaceflight.nasa.gov/history/shuttle-mir/multimedia/photos/sts-79/79p-065.jpg [ nasa.gov ] Notice anything ?
The space shuttle is pretty small compared to all the fuel required to break orbit is n't it ?
The fuel required to leave moon orbit is astronomically smaller than the fuel required to leave earth orbit .
Setting up a manned moon base would be the first step into real interplanetary travel .
Your quip that it is " exceedingly expensive " is laughable when you look at how much money the US wastes daily on war and other negative influences to humanity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pointless?
That's pretty much the reason you don't design interplanetary vehicles.
:) Go and look at the space shuttle.
Now look at the space shuttle compared to the size of the fuel tanks needed to lift it into orbit.
I'll wait.
Hell I'll even give you a link.
http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/history/shuttle-mir/multimedia/photos/sts-79/79p-065.jpg [nasa.gov] Notice anything?
The space shuttle is pretty small compared to all the fuel required to break orbit isn't it?
The fuel required to leave moon orbit is astronomically smaller than the fuel required to leave earth orbit.
Setting up a manned moon base would be the first step into real interplanetary travel.
Your quip that it is "exceedingly expensive" is laughable when you look at how much money the US wastes daily on war and other negative influences to humanity.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30090898</id>
	<title>Re:Alright...</title>
	<author>IrquiM</author>
	<datestamp>1258145820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Everybody knows that you have to use the same water as the distillery is using to avoid ruining the taste.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Everybody knows that you have to use the same water as the distillery is using to avoid ruining the taste .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everybody knows that you have to use the same water as the distillery is using to avoid ruining the taste.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30091100</id>
	<title>Re:Whats the hold up</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258103340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Funny? Insightful probably?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny ?
Insightful probably ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny?
Insightful probably?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30093880</id>
	<title>Re:Whats the hold up</title>
	<author>Idiomatick</author>
	<datestamp>1258120620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"regardless of what else is discovered."<br> <br>Bin Laden?</htmltext>
<tokenext>" regardless of what else is discovered .
" Bin Laden ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"regardless of what else is discovered.
" Bin Laden?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30091192</id>
	<title>Re:Can we just clarify something?</title>
	<author>Loomismeister</author>
	<datestamp>1258103760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They are talking about water ice specifically, as in H2O. There are also a number of other compounds that they found as well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They are talking about water ice specifically , as in H2O .
There are also a number of other compounds that they found as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are talking about water ice specifically, as in H2O.
There are also a number of other compounds that they found as well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30100996</id>
	<title>The moon is the door to the solar system</title>
	<author>Dollyknot</author>
	<datestamp>1258195080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The high cost to the human race's colonisation of space, is caused by the<br>complexity and danger of reaching escape velocity within the atmosphere,<br>whilst lifting the fuel with which this is achieved from the surface of the<br>earth.</p><p>There is another route - we can reach the edge of space safely and relatively<br>cheaply no problem, Burt Rutan proved this with 'Space Ship One' when he won<br>the 'X' prize by reaching over 100 km high, twice in one week.</p><p>My idea is, to create rocket fuel on the moon by splitting the water<br>discovered there, into oxygen and hydrogen using solar energy, then use that<br>rocket fuel to fuel a space tug, place the space tug in orbit around the<br>earth, slow down the space tug using moon fuel, attach the space tug to 'Space<br>Ship One' then using the space tug, accelerate the whole kit and caboodle from<br>the edge of space, to escape velocity and orbit, safely in the vacuum of<br>space.</p><p>If we can control robots millions of miles away on mars, I'm fairly sure we<br>could control water extraction plants on the moon.</p><p>Another potential source of rocket fuel on the moon, is the large amounts of<br>aluminium present in moon rock, aluminium burns in the presence of oxygen,<br>moon rock is around 40\% oxygen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The high cost to the human race 's colonisation of space , is caused by thecomplexity and danger of reaching escape velocity within the atmosphere,whilst lifting the fuel with which this is achieved from the surface of theearth.There is another route - we can reach the edge of space safely and relativelycheaply no problem , Burt Rutan proved this with 'Space Ship One ' when he wonthe 'X ' prize by reaching over 100 km high , twice in one week.My idea is , to create rocket fuel on the moon by splitting the waterdiscovered there , into oxygen and hydrogen using solar energy , then use thatrocket fuel to fuel a space tug , place the space tug in orbit around theearth , slow down the space tug using moon fuel , attach the space tug to 'SpaceShip One ' then using the space tug , accelerate the whole kit and caboodle fromthe edge of space , to escape velocity and orbit , safely in the vacuum ofspace.If we can control robots millions of miles away on mars , I 'm fairly sure wecould control water extraction plants on the moon.Another potential source of rocket fuel on the moon , is the large amounts ofaluminium present in moon rock , aluminium burns in the presence of oxygen,moon rock is around 40 \ % oxygen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The high cost to the human race's colonisation of space, is caused by thecomplexity and danger of reaching escape velocity within the atmosphere,whilst lifting the fuel with which this is achieved from the surface of theearth.There is another route - we can reach the edge of space safely and relativelycheaply no problem, Burt Rutan proved this with 'Space Ship One' when he wonthe 'X' prize by reaching over 100 km high, twice in one week.My idea is, to create rocket fuel on the moon by splitting the waterdiscovered there, into oxygen and hydrogen using solar energy, then use thatrocket fuel to fuel a space tug, place the space tug in orbit around theearth, slow down the space tug using moon fuel, attach the space tug to 'SpaceShip One' then using the space tug, accelerate the whole kit and caboodle fromthe edge of space, to escape velocity and orbit, safely in the vacuum ofspace.If we can control robots millions of miles away on mars, I'm fairly sure wecould control water extraction plants on the moon.Another potential source of rocket fuel on the moon, is the large amounts ofaluminium present in moon rock, aluminium burns in the presence of oxygen,moon rock is around 40\% oxygen.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30090874</id>
	<title>Re:Moonshine</title>
	<author>cmiller173</author>
	<datestamp>1258145640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Given the opportunity, I'd brew a batch of beer with it.

Boiling point on the moon is a lot lower though, hop utilization is going horrible.  Definitely going to need a pressurized dome for this to work.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Given the opportunity , I 'd brew a batch of beer with it .
Boiling point on the moon is a lot lower though , hop utilization is going horrible .
Definitely going to need a pressurized dome for this to work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given the opportunity, I'd brew a batch of beer with it.
Boiling point on the moon is a lot lower though, hop utilization is going horrible.
Definitely going to need a pressurized dome for this to work.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30091110</id>
	<title>Further Analysis</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258103400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"The concentration and distribution of water and other substances requires further analysis..."</p><p>Translation: More Explosions.</p><p>$10000 Evian Moon Mineral Water: A little bit of NASA in every drop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The concentration and distribution of water and other substances requires further analysis... " Translation : More Explosions. $ 10000 Evian Moon Mineral Water : A little bit of NASA in every drop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The concentration and distribution of water and other substances requires further analysis..."Translation: More Explosions.$10000 Evian Moon Mineral Water: A little bit of NASA in every drop.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30091012</id>
	<title>Re:Whats the hold up</title>
	<author>Sponge Bath</author>
	<datestamp>1258102980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm too busy playing Modern Warfare 2. *pew* *pew* *pew*</p><p>And don't call me fucker.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm too busy playing Modern Warfare 2 .
* pew * * pew * * pew * And do n't call me fucker .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm too busy playing Modern Warfare 2.
*pew* *pew* *pew*And don't call me fucker.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30093906</id>
	<title>Re:Drill baby drill!</title>
	<author>Idiomatick</author>
	<datestamp>1258120800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>"detected more than 100 kilograms in the part of the plume it observed."<br> <br>And they couldn't see the vast majority of the plume.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" detected more than 100 kilograms in the part of the plume it observed .
" And they could n't see the vast majority of the plume .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"detected more than 100 kilograms in the part of the plume it observed.
" And they couldn't see the vast majority of the plume.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30091026</id>
	<title>MACROSS?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258103040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Am I the only one who read that as NASA's MACROSS Mission?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Am I the only one who read that as NASA 's MACROSS Mission ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Am I the only one who read that as NASA's MACROSS Mission?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30096172</id>
	<title>Herge was right after all.</title>
	<author>hebertrich</author>
	<datestamp>1258197360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Herge , author of Tintin wrote a pair of books called " Objectif Lune " and " On a marche sur la Lune<br>about 50 years ago.In the second book there is a fantastic scene where in orger to get his dog Milou<br>back from a cave , Tintin and the Captain go in and Tintin slides down a slope made out of ice simply<br>declaring that it was proof that at some point the Moon had water.<br>More recently we had theories abounding that the moon could have had water before it hit Earth.<br>All the same<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. this is a great experiment and a great success</p><p>BTW   in the first book , they show blueprints for their rocket to the moon.<br>Details are quite fantastic , but for one<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. there's no toilets<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>Oh well<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..<br>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Herge , author of Tintin wrote a pair of books called " Objectif Lune " and " On a marche sur la Luneabout 50 years ago.In the second book there is a fantastic scene where in orger to get his dog Milouback from a cave , Tintin and the Captain go in and Tintin slides down a slope made out of ice simplydeclaring that it was proof that at some point the Moon had water.More recently we had theories abounding that the moon could have had water before it hit Earth.All the same .. this is a great experiment and a great successBTW in the first book , they show blueprints for their rocket to the moon.Details are quite fantastic , but for one .. there 's no toilets : ) Oh well . .  </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Herge , author of Tintin wrote a pair of books called " Objectif Lune " and " On a marche sur la Luneabout 50 years ago.In the second book there is a fantastic scene where in orger to get his dog Milouback from a cave , Tintin and the Captain go in and Tintin slides down a slope made out of ice simplydeclaring that it was proof that at some point the Moon had water.More recently we had theories abounding that the moon could have had water before it hit Earth.All the same .. this is a great experiment and a great successBTW   in the first book , they show blueprints for their rocket to the moon.Details are quite fantastic , but for one .. there's no toilets :)Oh well ..
 </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30090878</id>
	<title>Futurama</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258145700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whales live in water.<br>There is water on the moon.<br>Therefor it is reasonable to assume there are whales on the moon.<br>The lunar whales are likely to be hunted by whalers.<br>Proving that Futurama is 100\% correct and there are whalers on the moon.<br>They probably carry harpoons.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whales live in water.There is water on the moon.Therefor it is reasonable to assume there are whales on the moon.The lunar whales are likely to be hunted by whalers.Proving that Futurama is 100 \ % correct and there are whalers on the moon.They probably carry harpoons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whales live in water.There is water on the moon.Therefor it is reasonable to assume there are whales on the moon.The lunar whales are likely to be hunted by whalers.Proving that Futurama is 100\% correct and there are whalers on the moon.They probably carry harpoons.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30091002</id>
	<title>ahh..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258102920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The governments first step in indtroducing the reality that alien life is extremely prevalent in our universe. Of course people in the government and illuminatist groups with Cosmic top secret clearance have known this for at least 70 years.</p><p>Yes there is water on the moon, yes there is life on the moon, and yes there are bases on the moon.</p><p>I highly reccomend everyone watch Moon Rising by Jose Escamilla with an open mind and accept the reality of what is going on at the moon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The governments first step in indtroducing the reality that alien life is extremely prevalent in our universe .
Of course people in the government and illuminatist groups with Cosmic top secret clearance have known this for at least 70 years.Yes there is water on the moon , yes there is life on the moon , and yes there are bases on the moon.I highly reccomend everyone watch Moon Rising by Jose Escamilla with an open mind and accept the reality of what is going on at the moon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The governments first step in indtroducing the reality that alien life is extremely prevalent in our universe.
Of course people in the government and illuminatist groups with Cosmic top secret clearance have known this for at least 70 years.Yes there is water on the moon, yes there is life on the moon, and yes there are bases on the moon.I highly reccomend everyone watch Moon Rising by Jose Escamilla with an open mind and accept the reality of what is going on at the moon.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30091226</id>
	<title>Re:Whats the hold up</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258103940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And once we have a base on the moon, it's time to conquer Earth by sending monsters down (one at a time of course) and making them giants with a large magic wand.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And once we have a base on the moon , it 's time to conquer Earth by sending monsters down ( one at a time of course ) and making them giants with a large magic wand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And once we have a base on the moon, it's time to conquer Earth by sending monsters down (one at a time of course) and making them giants with a large magic wand.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30094778</id>
	<title>Re:Whats the hold up</title>
	<author>physburn</author>
	<datestamp>1258130040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But it would be so COOL to have a base there. A moon base might be pointless
from the view point of  the earths physical economy. It would be very good for
a space based economy, since with sun-light, water, and moon rock, would
provide a near self substaining lunar economy (might be carbon short), that
would provide cheaper earth satallites and fuel for exploring the rest of the
solar system. From a science point of view, the far side of the moon, is
a great place to put an observatory, optical, infrared or radio waves.
Provided water is in polar Lunar craters in the gigaton quantities, it becames
the source of cheap rocket fuel for the rest of the solar system.
Finally until the human race are not limited to living from just one planet
we have a very real risk of permant extinction, and that should be motivation
enough to colonize the planets, even if it wasn't for the excitment and
cultral stimulation to the earth human.
<p>
---
</p><p>
<a href="http://www.feeddistiller.com/blogs/space\%20craft/feed.html" title="feeddistiller.com">Space Craft</a> [feeddistiller.com] Feed @ <a href="http://www.feeddistiller.com/" title="feeddistiller.com">Feed Distiller</a> [feeddistiller.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But it would be so COOL to have a base there .
A moon base might be pointless from the view point of the earths physical economy .
It would be very good for a space based economy , since with sun-light , water , and moon rock , would provide a near self substaining lunar economy ( might be carbon short ) , that would provide cheaper earth satallites and fuel for exploring the rest of the solar system .
From a science point of view , the far side of the moon , is a great place to put an observatory , optical , infrared or radio waves .
Provided water is in polar Lunar craters in the gigaton quantities , it becames the source of cheap rocket fuel for the rest of the solar system .
Finally until the human race are not limited to living from just one planet we have a very real risk of permant extinction , and that should be motivation enough to colonize the planets , even if it was n't for the excitment and cultral stimulation to the earth human .
--- Space Craft [ feeddistiller.com ] Feed @ Feed Distiller [ feeddistiller.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But it would be so COOL to have a base there.
A moon base might be pointless
from the view point of  the earths physical economy.
It would be very good for
a space based economy, since with sun-light, water, and moon rock, would
provide a near self substaining lunar economy (might be carbon short), that
would provide cheaper earth satallites and fuel for exploring the rest of the
solar system.
From a science point of view, the far side of the moon, is
a great place to put an observatory, optical, infrared or radio waves.
Provided water is in polar Lunar craters in the gigaton quantities, it becames
the source of cheap rocket fuel for the rest of the solar system.
Finally until the human race are not limited to living from just one planet
we have a very real risk of permant extinction, and that should be motivation
enough to colonize the planets, even if it wasn't for the excitment and
cultral stimulation to the earth human.
---

Space Craft [feeddistiller.com] Feed @ Feed Distiller [feeddistiller.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30090980</id>
	<title>Re:Moonshine</title>
	<author>natehoy</author>
	<datestamp>1258102860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Greetings, Sir or Madam.</p><p>I have managed, through sources connected to major aerospace corporation, to collect a small sample of the water of moon and I can assuring you it is both refreshingly also delicious.</p><p>Do not listen to the naysayers who undoubtedly assure that such a beverage must be much expensive for the average person can afford!  It is most assuredly not that way!</p><p>I have decided to assist them in the funding of their next expedition to moon by selling some of water that was returned from the last expedition.  The aerospace company is located in small country in southern Africa, so you must comprehend there are bribes and other politics involved extracting an amount for your purchase and enjoyment.</p><p>However, I can assure you that the water is pure and safe, ready to drink, and unaltered.  Through amazing coincidence, it contains all of the same chemicals found in most spring water, so it is most assuredly beneficial to your consumption use.</p><p>If you are interested in such opportunity, please reply soonest and I will arrange to have a sample sent to you.  I may need small amount sent in cash, and if sample is of proven quality to you we may further discuss additional quantities.</p><p>I await eagerly your reply.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Greetings , Sir or Madam.I have managed , through sources connected to major aerospace corporation , to collect a small sample of the water of moon and I can assuring you it is both refreshingly also delicious.Do not listen to the naysayers who undoubtedly assure that such a beverage must be much expensive for the average person can afford !
It is most assuredly not that way ! I have decided to assist them in the funding of their next expedition to moon by selling some of water that was returned from the last expedition .
The aerospace company is located in small country in southern Africa , so you must comprehend there are bribes and other politics involved extracting an amount for your purchase and enjoyment.However , I can assure you that the water is pure and safe , ready to drink , and unaltered .
Through amazing coincidence , it contains all of the same chemicals found in most spring water , so it is most assuredly beneficial to your consumption use.If you are interested in such opportunity , please reply soonest and I will arrange to have a sample sent to you .
I may need small amount sent in cash , and if sample is of proven quality to you we may further discuss additional quantities.I await eagerly your reply .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Greetings, Sir or Madam.I have managed, through sources connected to major aerospace corporation, to collect a small sample of the water of moon and I can assuring you it is both refreshingly also delicious.Do not listen to the naysayers who undoubtedly assure that such a beverage must be much expensive for the average person can afford!
It is most assuredly not that way!I have decided to assist them in the funding of their next expedition to moon by selling some of water that was returned from the last expedition.
The aerospace company is located in small country in southern Africa, so you must comprehend there are bribes and other politics involved extracting an amount for your purchase and enjoyment.However, I can assure you that the water is pure and safe, ready to drink, and unaltered.
Through amazing coincidence, it contains all of the same chemicals found in most spring water, so it is most assuredly beneficial to your consumption use.If you are interested in such opportunity, please reply soonest and I will arrange to have a sample sent to you.
I may need small amount sent in cash, and if sample is of proven quality to you we may further discuss additional quantities.I await eagerly your reply.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30091728</id>
	<title>Re:Whats the hold up</title>
	<author>khallow</author>
	<datestamp>1258106340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>That was a pretty ignorant post on He3 mining due to the exaggerated cost estimate, lack of local manufacture, and ignorance of other materials found in lunar regolith.<br> <br>

Even if it does require half a million tons of equipment, that equipment can be made on the Moon rather than launched from Earth at $40k or even $4k per ton. Also it's worth noting that current GDP contribution from natural gas and electricity in the US is somewhere around $200 billion dollars. If you can get the overall fusion power infrastructure including lunar mining to under say, a couple of trillion dollars, then you could switch over the US electricity and heating infrastructure completely to lunar-fueled fusion power. My view is that this mining infrastructure could probably be made and deployed for hundreds of billions of dollars *or less* once manufacture is established on the Moon.<br> <br>

Finally other materials than merely He3 are present. You'd have platinum group metals which would in the presence of significant lunar launch infrastructure be worth exporting to Earth. Rare earths of high enough value might be present in sufficient quantity to extract. Any activity off of Earth would be closer to the Moon in terms of delta v than Earth. So it'd start making sense to launch common materials like glass, iron, oxygen, aluminum, titanium, etc from the Moon rather than from Earth. From <a href="http://www.moonminer.com/Lunar\_regolith.html" title="moonminer.com">this site</a> [moonminer.com], it estimates:<p><div class="quote"><p>Since about 100 million tons of regolith must be heated to about 1400 deg. F to get one ton of helium 3; 4000 tons of hydrogen; 2800 tons of helium 4; 10,000 tons of nitrogen; 20,000 tons of carbon and 54,000 tons of sulfur will also be obtained.</p> </div><p>All of these would be byproducts of such a vast mining operation. Revenue from this operation would be more than just He3.</p></div>
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<tokenext>That was a pretty ignorant post on He3 mining due to the exaggerated cost estimate , lack of local manufacture , and ignorance of other materials found in lunar regolith .
Even if it does require half a million tons of equipment , that equipment can be made on the Moon rather than launched from Earth at $ 40k or even $ 4k per ton .
Also it 's worth noting that current GDP contribution from natural gas and electricity in the US is somewhere around $ 200 billion dollars .
If you can get the overall fusion power infrastructure including lunar mining to under say , a couple of trillion dollars , then you could switch over the US electricity and heating infrastructure completely to lunar-fueled fusion power .
My view is that this mining infrastructure could probably be made and deployed for hundreds of billions of dollars * or less * once manufacture is established on the Moon .
Finally other materials than merely He3 are present .
You 'd have platinum group metals which would in the presence of significant lunar launch infrastructure be worth exporting to Earth .
Rare earths of high enough value might be present in sufficient quantity to extract .
Any activity off of Earth would be closer to the Moon in terms of delta v than Earth .
So it 'd start making sense to launch common materials like glass , iron , oxygen , aluminum , titanium , etc from the Moon rather than from Earth .
From this site [ moonminer.com ] , it estimates : Since about 100 million tons of regolith must be heated to about 1400 deg .
F to get one ton of helium 3 ; 4000 tons of hydrogen ; 2800 tons of helium 4 ; 10,000 tons of nitrogen ; 20,000 tons of carbon and 54,000 tons of sulfur will also be obtained .
All of these would be byproducts of such a vast mining operation .
Revenue from this operation would be more than just He3 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That was a pretty ignorant post on He3 mining due to the exaggerated cost estimate, lack of local manufacture, and ignorance of other materials found in lunar regolith.
Even if it does require half a million tons of equipment, that equipment can be made on the Moon rather than launched from Earth at $40k or even $4k per ton.
Also it's worth noting that current GDP contribution from natural gas and electricity in the US is somewhere around $200 billion dollars.
If you can get the overall fusion power infrastructure including lunar mining to under say, a couple of trillion dollars, then you could switch over the US electricity and heating infrastructure completely to lunar-fueled fusion power.
My view is that this mining infrastructure could probably be made and deployed for hundreds of billions of dollars *or less* once manufacture is established on the Moon.
Finally other materials than merely He3 are present.
You'd have platinum group metals which would in the presence of significant lunar launch infrastructure be worth exporting to Earth.
Rare earths of high enough value might be present in sufficient quantity to extract.
Any activity off of Earth would be closer to the Moon in terms of delta v than Earth.
So it'd start making sense to launch common materials like glass, iron, oxygen, aluminum, titanium, etc from the Moon rather than from Earth.
From this site [moonminer.com], it estimates:Since about 100 million tons of regolith must be heated to about 1400 deg.
F to get one ton of helium 3; 4000 tons of hydrogen; 2800 tons of helium 4; 10,000 tons of nitrogen; 20,000 tons of carbon and 54,000 tons of sulfur will also be obtained.
All of these would be byproducts of such a vast mining operation.
Revenue from this operation would be more than just He3.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30093290</id>
	<title>Re:Whats the hold up</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1258115880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Science, deep mission launches, tourists, exploration, experience in space habitation, robotic testing ground, and so on.</p><p>of course, there are the whalers:<br>" we're Whalers On The Moon, we Carry A Harpoon, for They Ain't No Whales so We Tell Tall Tales.."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Science , deep mission launches , tourists , exploration , experience in space habitation , robotic testing ground , and so on.of course , there are the whalers : " we 're Whalers On The Moon , we Carry A Harpoon , for They Ai n't No Whales so We Tell Tall Tales.. "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Science, deep mission launches, tourists, exploration, experience in space habitation, robotic testing ground, and so on.of course, there are the whalers:" we're Whalers On The Moon, we Carry A Harpoon, for They Ain't No Whales so We Tell Tall Tales.."</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30090688</id>
	<title>Life and death</title>
	<author>dogmatixpsych</author>
	<datestamp>1258144620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Where there is water there is life...and death! Death to all who disturb the moon water guardians.<br> <br>
Okay seriously, this is pretty big news. Kudos to NASA for another successful mission!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Where there is water there is life...and death !
Death to all who disturb the moon water guardians .
Okay seriously , this is pretty big news .
Kudos to NASA for another successful mission !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where there is water there is life...and death!
Death to all who disturb the moon water guardians.
Okay seriously, this is pretty big news.
Kudos to NASA for another successful mission!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30091886</id>
	<title>Re:Whats the hold up</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1258107060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah! Don't first ask what the actual point is! Go!<br>We can always make up a reason for it, when we're there.<br><br>&lt;/sarcasm&gt;</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah !
Do n't first ask what the actual point is !
Go ! We can always make up a reason for it , when we 're there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah!
Don't first ask what the actual point is!
Go!We can always make up a reason for it, when we're there.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30092054</id>
	<title>Re:Mining</title>
	<author>StikyPad</author>
	<datestamp>1258108020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Man, someone's going to be *pissed* when they find out their "moon water" actually comes from a tap somewhere in Jersey.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Man , someone 's going to be * pissed * when they find out their " moon water " actually comes from a tap somewhere in Jersey .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Man, someone's going to be *pissed* when they find out their "moon water" actually comes from a tap somewhere in Jersey.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30091712</id>
	<title>Re:Whats the hold up</title>
	<author>whois\_drek</author>
	<datestamp>1258106280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's nothing worth "getting" at the Lagrange points, or geosynchronous orbit, or any number of places.  That doesn't mean it's not worth going there.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's nothing worth " getting " at the Lagrange points , or geosynchronous orbit , or any number of places .
That does n't mean it 's not worth going there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's nothing worth "getting" at the Lagrange points, or geosynchronous orbit, or any number of places.
That doesn't mean it's not worth going there.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30095106</id>
	<title>Re:Whats the hold up</title>
	<author>WindBourne</author>
	<datestamp>1258134660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Because we know A) the cost of materials on Earth, and B) the cost it takes to get materials back from the Moon. Comparing 'A' to 'B' one discovers that there is not one single material on Earth whose cost 'A' isn't a fraction of its cost 'B'. There could be a cubic mile of gold in LEO (which is an order of magnitude cheaper to get to and from then the Moon), and even if were already broken up into 10kg chunks so that all you have to do is shovel it into your spacecraft... you'd go broke mining it.
<br>
We don't have to know what's there when we know that there's no possible substance that can pay its own way.
</i>
Of course, you picked an element that is actually pretty plentiful on earth. Instead, pick something that MIGHT suddenly be hard to obtain; Namely a number of the rare earths. A number of these are already difficult to find and about the best location is in CHina. And china just recently forbid them to be exported. The more rare and the less that they they will allow exporting. That means that a number of these will go up in price.  Not, this low price like Gold. MUCH MUCH MUCH higher. And these are showing increasingly to be important for Electronics as well as Alternative energy.<br>
Basically, China is trying hard to corner the future.<br>
That is the kind of action that leads to wars.<br> <br>
To prevent that, we need to locate these. One POSSIBLE smart source would be the moon. Others might be asteroids. The smart leaders will realize this and push to explore into space (along with more of the planet). Sadly, far too many ppl LACK imagination for what can happen. I have to say that Imagine that as we get fewer nukes, we have a higher likelihood of multiple wars. Hell, W/neo-cons invaded/occupied Iraq for OIL, and that is very plentiful item.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because we know A ) the cost of materials on Earth , and B ) the cost it takes to get materials back from the Moon .
Comparing 'A ' to 'B ' one discovers that there is not one single material on Earth whose cost 'A ' is n't a fraction of its cost 'B' .
There could be a cubic mile of gold in LEO ( which is an order of magnitude cheaper to get to and from then the Moon ) , and even if were already broken up into 10kg chunks so that all you have to do is shovel it into your spacecraft... you 'd go broke mining it .
We do n't have to know what 's there when we know that there 's no possible substance that can pay its own way .
Of course , you picked an element that is actually pretty plentiful on earth .
Instead , pick something that MIGHT suddenly be hard to obtain ; Namely a number of the rare earths .
A number of these are already difficult to find and about the best location is in CHina .
And china just recently forbid them to be exported .
The more rare and the less that they they will allow exporting .
That means that a number of these will go up in price .
Not , this low price like Gold .
MUCH MUCH MUCH higher .
And these are showing increasingly to be important for Electronics as well as Alternative energy .
Basically , China is trying hard to corner the future .
That is the kind of action that leads to wars .
To prevent that , we need to locate these .
One POSSIBLE smart source would be the moon .
Others might be asteroids .
The smart leaders will realize this and push to explore into space ( along with more of the planet ) .
Sadly , far too many ppl LACK imagination for what can happen .
I have to say that Imagine that as we get fewer nukes , we have a higher likelihood of multiple wars .
Hell , W/neo-cons invaded/occupied Iraq for OIL , and that is very plentiful item .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because we know A) the cost of materials on Earth, and B) the cost it takes to get materials back from the Moon.
Comparing 'A' to 'B' one discovers that there is not one single material on Earth whose cost 'A' isn't a fraction of its cost 'B'.
There could be a cubic mile of gold in LEO (which is an order of magnitude cheaper to get to and from then the Moon), and even if were already broken up into 10kg chunks so that all you have to do is shovel it into your spacecraft... you'd go broke mining it.
We don't have to know what's there when we know that there's no possible substance that can pay its own way.
Of course, you picked an element that is actually pretty plentiful on earth.
Instead, pick something that MIGHT suddenly be hard to obtain; Namely a number of the rare earths.
A number of these are already difficult to find and about the best location is in CHina.
And china just recently forbid them to be exported.
The more rare and the less that they they will allow exporting.
That means that a number of these will go up in price.
Not, this low price like Gold.
MUCH MUCH MUCH higher.
And these are showing increasingly to be important for Electronics as well as Alternative energy.
Basically, China is trying hard to corner the future.
That is the kind of action that leads to wars.
To prevent that, we need to locate these.
One POSSIBLE smart source would be the moon.
Others might be asteroids.
The smart leaders will realize this and push to explore into space (along with more of the planet).
Sadly, far too many ppl LACK imagination for what can happen.
I have to say that Imagine that as we get fewer nukes, we have a higher likelihood of multiple wars.
Hell, W/neo-cons invaded/occupied Iraq for OIL, and that is very plentiful item.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30091444</id>
	<title>Model Predicts Lots More Water</title>
	<author>GreenPhreak</author>
	<datestamp>1258104840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The dominant paradigm since the Apollo Missions was that the Moon was as dry as a bone.</p><p>However, a paper was put out recently (before the discovery of water a month ago) proposing a model for water and other volatiles venting out of the interior of the Moon.  One of the predictions of this model is that there should be significant subsurface water primarily near the poles.  The results from Chandrayaan-1 and LCROSS today confirms that this is true--there is significant subsurface water near the poles.  The claims that the water is solely on the surface and due to cometary deposition or solar wind interactions are now blown "out of the water".</p><p>This model predicts a lot more water under the surface for potential use in human exploration.  w00t!</p><p>Check out the paper here: <a href="http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/0909.3832" title="lanl.gov">http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/0909.3832</a> [lanl.gov]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The dominant paradigm since the Apollo Missions was that the Moon was as dry as a bone.However , a paper was put out recently ( before the discovery of water a month ago ) proposing a model for water and other volatiles venting out of the interior of the Moon .
One of the predictions of this model is that there should be significant subsurface water primarily near the poles .
The results from Chandrayaan-1 and LCROSS today confirms that this is true--there is significant subsurface water near the poles .
The claims that the water is solely on the surface and due to cometary deposition or solar wind interactions are now blown " out of the water " .This model predicts a lot more water under the surface for potential use in human exploration .
w00t ! Check out the paper here : http : //xxx.lanl.gov/abs/0909.3832 [ lanl.gov ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The dominant paradigm since the Apollo Missions was that the Moon was as dry as a bone.However, a paper was put out recently (before the discovery of water a month ago) proposing a model for water and other volatiles venting out of the interior of the Moon.
One of the predictions of this model is that there should be significant subsurface water primarily near the poles.
The results from Chandrayaan-1 and LCROSS today confirms that this is true--there is significant subsurface water near the poles.
The claims that the water is solely on the surface and due to cometary deposition or solar wind interactions are now blown "out of the water".This model predicts a lot more water under the surface for potential use in human exploration.
w00t!Check out the paper here: http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/0909.3832 [lanl.gov]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30092214</id>
	<title>Re:Whats the hold up</title>
	<author>mi</author>
	<datestamp>1258109040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>there is *nothing* on the moon worth getting</p></div></blockquote><p>Your statement may prove similar, to Bill Gates' famous predictions regarding 640k memory... How do you know, for the Moon does not have expensive commodities to mine? It is hardly explored &mdash; up until recently, we didn't even know, there is water <em>on its surface</em>!

</p><p>You are lacking imagination... How about vacation-destination for those, who want to experience five times lower gravity? How about retirement homes for people, too frail to move on their own on Earth &mdash; they may be able to <em>dance</em> on the Moon? Technics may appear exploiting the low gravity for therapies for, say, spine-injuries (such as when a person needs to re-learn, how to walk). Barring major world-conflicts, we might be able to have all or some of that within 40-60 years.

</p><p>Lower gravity may also allow for some new manufacturing methods... You name it...

</p><p>So, medicine, novelty, mining, manufacturing, what else? Oh, <strong>science</strong>! What will the scientists, able to dig a space body literally under their feet, be able to find out about Space in general, and Solar System in particular? What discoveries &mdash; some of them even with prompt practical applications &mdash; await?</p></div>
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<tokenext>there is * nothing * on the moon worth gettingYour statement may prove similar , to Bill Gates ' famous predictions regarding 640k memory... How do you know , for the Moon does not have expensive commodities to mine ?
It is hardly explored    up until recently , we did n't even know , there is water on its surface !
You are lacking imagination... How about vacation-destination for those , who want to experience five times lower gravity ?
How about retirement homes for people , too frail to move on their own on Earth    they may be able to dance on the Moon ?
Technics may appear exploiting the low gravity for therapies for , say , spine-injuries ( such as when a person needs to re-learn , how to walk ) .
Barring major world-conflicts , we might be able to have all or some of that within 40-60 years .
Lower gravity may also allow for some new manufacturing methods... You name it.. . So , medicine , novelty , mining , manufacturing , what else ?
Oh , science !
What will the scientists , able to dig a space body literally under their feet , be able to find out about Space in general , and Solar System in particular ?
What discoveries    some of them even with prompt practical applications    await ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>there is *nothing* on the moon worth gettingYour statement may prove similar, to Bill Gates' famous predictions regarding 640k memory... How do you know, for the Moon does not have expensive commodities to mine?
It is hardly explored — up until recently, we didn't even know, there is water on its surface!
You are lacking imagination... How about vacation-destination for those, who want to experience five times lower gravity?
How about retirement homes for people, too frail to move on their own on Earth — they may be able to dance on the Moon?
Technics may appear exploiting the low gravity for therapies for, say, spine-injuries (such as when a person needs to re-learn, how to walk).
Barring major world-conflicts, we might be able to have all or some of that within 40-60 years.
Lower gravity may also allow for some new manufacturing methods... You name it...

So, medicine, novelty, mining, manufacturing, what else?
Oh, science!
What will the scientists, able to dig a space body literally under their feet, be able to find out about Space in general, and Solar System in particular?
What discoveries — some of them even with prompt practical applications — await?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30096416</id>
	<title>Re:Because I Said So, That's Why!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258201920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was thinking this body as a large droplet of water that has been formed naturally and then hitting earth..then i found this image: <a href="http://www.whoi.edu/page.do?pid=10897&amp;i=7301&amp;x=111" title="whoi.edu" rel="nofollow">http://www.whoi.edu/page.do?pid=10897&amp;i=7301&amp;x=111</a> [whoi.edu]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was thinking this body as a large droplet of water that has been formed naturally and then hitting earth..then i found this image : http : //www.whoi.edu/page.do ? pid = 10897&amp;i = 7301&amp;x = 111 [ whoi.edu ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was thinking this body as a large droplet of water that has been formed naturally and then hitting earth..then i found this image: http://www.whoi.edu/page.do?pid=10897&amp;i=7301&amp;x=111 [whoi.edu]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30090756</id>
	<title>Re:Oblig</title>
	<author>alexborges</author>
	<datestamp>1258145040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>r-u a-bot?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>r-u a-bot ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>r-u a-bot?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30091574</id>
	<title>Re:Because I Said So, That's Why!</title>
	<author>smoker2</author>
	<datestamp>1258105500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The moons creation may have added some more elements to the mix, but as oxygen is the 3rd most plentiful gas in the universe (after hydrogen and helium), there's pretty likely to be lots of water everywhere. Having an atmosphere and a magnetic field make it easier for it to stick around in puddles on earth.<br> <br>Or are you a creationist troll ?</htmltext>
<tokenext>The moons creation may have added some more elements to the mix , but as oxygen is the 3rd most plentiful gas in the universe ( after hydrogen and helium ) , there 's pretty likely to be lots of water everywhere .
Having an atmosphere and a magnetic field make it easier for it to stick around in puddles on earth .
Or are you a creationist troll ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The moons creation may have added some more elements to the mix, but as oxygen is the 3rd most plentiful gas in the universe (after hydrogen and helium), there's pretty likely to be lots of water everywhere.
Having an atmosphere and a magnetic field make it easier for it to stick around in puddles on earth.
Or are you a creationist troll ?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30090924</id>
	<title>Mining</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258145880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Finally!  Something we can mine the Moon for.  This will spur space competition to get this valuable resource.  I can't wait for my first sip of $10000 Evian Moon Mineral Water.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Finally !
Something we can mine the Moon for .
This will spur space competition to get this valuable resource .
I ca n't wait for my first sip of $ 10000 Evian Moon Mineral Water .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Finally!
Something we can mine the Moon for.
This will spur space competition to get this valuable resource.
I can't wait for my first sip of $10000 Evian Moon Mineral Water.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30091318</id>
	<title>Re:Can we just clarify something?</title>
	<author>MBGMorden</author>
	<datestamp>1258104300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It'd require a bit of work before being drinkable, but as other posters have pointed out, water is a specific compound.  If they'd said ICE then that is very ambiguous, but the word "water" is quite specific.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 'd require a bit of work before being drinkable , but as other posters have pointed out , water is a specific compound .
If they 'd said ICE then that is very ambiguous , but the word " water " is quite specific .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It'd require a bit of work before being drinkable, but as other posters have pointed out, water is a specific compound.
If they'd said ICE then that is very ambiguous, but the word "water" is quite specific.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30096668</id>
	<title>Centaur cryogenic impactor vented before impact?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258206000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Another explanation for the '100 kg' of observed water could have been residual cryogenic propellants (LOX, LH2) in the Centaur impactor upper stage. It would be terribly convenient if 'someone' forgot to vent the stage well prior to impact. Viola! All the instant water you need post impact. Can anyone find a citation where NASA vented the stage?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Another explanation for the '100 kg ' of observed water could have been residual cryogenic propellants ( LOX , LH2 ) in the Centaur impactor upper stage .
It would be terribly convenient if 'someone ' forgot to vent the stage well prior to impact .
Viola ! All the instant water you need post impact .
Can anyone find a citation where NASA vented the stage ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another explanation for the '100 kg' of observed water could have been residual cryogenic propellants (LOX, LH2) in the Centaur impactor upper stage.
It would be terribly convenient if 'someone' forgot to vent the stage well prior to impact.
Viola! All the instant water you need post impact.
Can anyone find a citation where NASA vented the stage?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30097208</id>
	<title>Re:Whats the hold up</title>
	<author>lena\_10326</author>
	<datestamp>1258211760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><ul>
<li>Research: The dark side of the moon is the most quiet nearby location for interstellar telescopes. Quiet means seeing much further into space.</li>
<li>Population Size: A space station has a very limited maximum sustainable population size. The moon would support much larger populations.</li>
<li>Comfort: If you are manufacturing worker, where would you rather spend 10 years? A tiny cramped space station with no gravity and a very small population available for social life? Or, the moon where there is open space, room for green houses large enough to contain entire parks with trees and meadows, large buildings, gravity, a variety of recreational activities, and a much larger population? Which option do you think will let you take your spouse and kids along? Unless you're a high ranking official, definitely not the space station. A lifestyle similar to a lifestyle on Earth is achievable on the moon--but not in a space station. Do you realize how important little things become over time like being able to bath normally? Many things you take for granted are not possible in zero gravity.</li>
<li>Safety: A moonbase is safe from solar flares and radiation bursts from space if covered with moon soil or made with thick walls. A fixed pressurized structure is MUCH safer than a pressurized tin can in space. Which will hold up better against space debree traveling at 20,000 mph? Space docking is dangerous to two vehicles. Moon landing is dangerous to one. Less risk when ships arrive.</li>
<li>Quarantine: People get sick. Where do you quarantine them on a space station? There's lots of room on the moon for that scenario.</li>
<li>Permanency: It's easier to setup a self-sufficient colony on the moon rather than a space station because many raw materials are available locally: metals, water, oxygen, fuel, silica, concrete, etc.</li>
<li>Maintenance: Space stations need constant course corrections which requires fuel. A base on the moon does not.</li>
<li>Stockpiling: Where would you rather store your stockpiles of fragile goods? In space blasted by radiation or in an underground moon bunker?</li>
<li>Mining: It'll be cheaper to mine for metals and building materials on the moon and lift them into orbit using locally made rockets using locally refined fuel for building massive space stations.</li>
<li>Land Grab: Ignoring the landmass of 4 United States for colonization and exploration would be stupid. If we don't claim it, someone else will (the Chinese).</li>
<li>Tourism: room for hotels, ability to wear wings and fly indoors, craters and caverns to explore, amazing views, etc.</li>
</ul></htmltext>
<tokenext>Research : The dark side of the moon is the most quiet nearby location for interstellar telescopes .
Quiet means seeing much further into space .
Population Size : A space station has a very limited maximum sustainable population size .
The moon would support much larger populations .
Comfort : If you are manufacturing worker , where would you rather spend 10 years ?
A tiny cramped space station with no gravity and a very small population available for social life ?
Or , the moon where there is open space , room for green houses large enough to contain entire parks with trees and meadows , large buildings , gravity , a variety of recreational activities , and a much larger population ?
Which option do you think will let you take your spouse and kids along ?
Unless you 're a high ranking official , definitely not the space station .
A lifestyle similar to a lifestyle on Earth is achievable on the moon--but not in a space station .
Do you realize how important little things become over time like being able to bath normally ?
Many things you take for granted are not possible in zero gravity .
Safety : A moonbase is safe from solar flares and radiation bursts from space if covered with moon soil or made with thick walls .
A fixed pressurized structure is MUCH safer than a pressurized tin can in space .
Which will hold up better against space debree traveling at 20,000 mph ?
Space docking is dangerous to two vehicles .
Moon landing is dangerous to one .
Less risk when ships arrive .
Quarantine : People get sick .
Where do you quarantine them on a space station ?
There 's lots of room on the moon for that scenario .
Permanency : It 's easier to setup a self-sufficient colony on the moon rather than a space station because many raw materials are available locally : metals , water , oxygen , fuel , silica , concrete , etc .
Maintenance : Space stations need constant course corrections which requires fuel .
A base on the moon does not .
Stockpiling : Where would you rather store your stockpiles of fragile goods ?
In space blasted by radiation or in an underground moon bunker ?
Mining : It 'll be cheaper to mine for metals and building materials on the moon and lift them into orbit using locally made rockets using locally refined fuel for building massive space stations .
Land Grab : Ignoring the landmass of 4 United States for colonization and exploration would be stupid .
If we do n't claim it , someone else will ( the Chinese ) .
Tourism : room for hotels , ability to wear wings and fly indoors , craters and caverns to explore , amazing views , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Research: The dark side of the moon is the most quiet nearby location for interstellar telescopes.
Quiet means seeing much further into space.
Population Size: A space station has a very limited maximum sustainable population size.
The moon would support much larger populations.
Comfort: If you are manufacturing worker, where would you rather spend 10 years?
A tiny cramped space station with no gravity and a very small population available for social life?
Or, the moon where there is open space, room for green houses large enough to contain entire parks with trees and meadows, large buildings, gravity, a variety of recreational activities, and a much larger population?
Which option do you think will let you take your spouse and kids along?
Unless you're a high ranking official, definitely not the space station.
A lifestyle similar to a lifestyle on Earth is achievable on the moon--but not in a space station.
Do you realize how important little things become over time like being able to bath normally?
Many things you take for granted are not possible in zero gravity.
Safety: A moonbase is safe from solar flares and radiation bursts from space if covered with moon soil or made with thick walls.
A fixed pressurized structure is MUCH safer than a pressurized tin can in space.
Which will hold up better against space debree traveling at 20,000 mph?
Space docking is dangerous to two vehicles.
Moon landing is dangerous to one.
Less risk when ships arrive.
Quarantine: People get sick.
Where do you quarantine them on a space station?
There's lots of room on the moon for that scenario.
Permanency: It's easier to setup a self-sufficient colony on the moon rather than a space station because many raw materials are available locally: metals, water, oxygen, fuel, silica, concrete, etc.
Maintenance: Space stations need constant course corrections which requires fuel.
A base on the moon does not.
Stockpiling: Where would you rather store your stockpiles of fragile goods?
In space blasted by radiation or in an underground moon bunker?
Mining: It'll be cheaper to mine for metals and building materials on the moon and lift them into orbit using locally made rockets using locally refined fuel for building massive space stations.
Land Grab: Ignoring the landmass of 4 United States for colonization and exploration would be stupid.
If we don't claim it, someone else will (the Chinese).
Tourism: room for hotels, ability to wear wings and fly indoors, craters and caverns to explore, amazing views, etc.
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30090712</id>
	<title>Moonshine</title>
	<author>Conchobair</author>
	<datestamp>1258144860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Anyone else really want to use this water to make liquor?  Even if coke just bottled it, I'd drink some moon water.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone else really want to use this water to make liquor ?
Even if coke just bottled it , I 'd drink some moon water .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone else really want to use this water to make liquor?
Even if coke just bottled it, I'd drink some moon water.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30090894</id>
	<title>Finally...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258145760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The prophecy will be fulfilled.</p><p>There will be whalers on the moon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The prophecy will be fulfilled.There will be whalers on the moon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The prophecy will be fulfilled.There will be whalers on the moon.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30093130</id>
	<title>Re:Whats the hold up</title>
	<author>Tetsujin</author>
	<datestamp>1258114860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What's the hold up?</p><p>Sadly, it is the elephant in the room; Mineral Rights.</p></div><p>Bah!  Small potatoes, I tell you...</p><p>There's <em>sovereignty</em> at stake.  Remember the Larkin decision?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's the hold up ? Sadly , it is the elephant in the room ; Mineral Rights.Bah !
Small potatoes , I tell you...There 's sovereignty at stake .
Remember the Larkin decision ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's the hold up?Sadly, it is the elephant in the room; Mineral Rights.Bah!
Small potatoes, I tell you...There's sovereignty at stake.
Remember the Larkin decision?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30090628</id>
	<title>Alright...</title>
	<author>NoYob</author>
	<datestamp>1258144380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>cue the aliens on the Moon, landing there and using the water to mix with the scotch and other lame ass jokes.<p>Wait<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... I'm the one who does that. Never mind.</p><p>Continue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>cue the aliens on the Moon , landing there and using the water to mix with the scotch and other lame ass jokes.Wait ... I 'm the one who does that .
Never mind.Continue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>cue the aliens on the Moon, landing there and using the water to mix with the scotch and other lame ass jokes.Wait ... I'm the one who does that.
Never mind.Continue.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30094274</id>
	<title>Re:Because I Said So, That's Why!</title>
	<author>mindbrane</author>
	<datestamp>1258124220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sorry for the 2nd reply, "Moon's Origins" speaks to the moon's formation; again, IIRC, (I watch stuff like this for fun and without strict attention) it's the first episode of "The Miracle Planet" (4 parts) that talks about problems with the quantity and constitution of the earth's water.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry for the 2nd reply , " Moon 's Origins " speaks to the moon 's formation ; again , IIRC , ( I watch stuff like this for fun and without strict attention ) it 's the first episode of " The Miracle Planet " ( 4 parts ) that talks about problems with the quantity and constitution of the earth 's water .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry for the 2nd reply, "Moon's Origins" speaks to the moon's formation; again, IIRC, (I watch stuff like this for fun and without strict attention) it's the first episode of "The Miracle Planet" (4 parts) that talks about problems with the quantity and constitution of the earth's water.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30095346</id>
	<title>Re:Whats the hold up</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258138260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What about the part about how if we don't expand to other parts of the solar system, we are essentially fucked as a species?</p><p>Since when did survival have to be cost effective?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What about the part about how if we do n't expand to other parts of the solar system , we are essentially fucked as a species ? Since when did survival have to be cost effective ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about the part about how if we don't expand to other parts of the solar system, we are essentially fucked as a species?Since when did survival have to be cost effective?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30092000</id>
	<title>Re:Whats the hold up</title>
	<author>StikyPad</author>
	<datestamp>1258107660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's better for us as a society to try new things than to be paralyzed in debate over cost/benefit analysis.</p><p>A base on the moon is a good interim step, learning to crawl before we walk, and while it may not have any known payoffs in material gains, the increased knowledge will be priceless.  Further, it's a lot easier to resupply and make significant changes on the moon than on a distant planet.</p><p>There's a reason we test designs on earth as much as possible before we launch them, and it's the same reason we should be testing designs for human habitation on the moon before we try them elsewhere.</p><p>Unless you think there's no point in exploration period, which ignores the entirety of human history and a good portion of its technological advances.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's better for us as a society to try new things than to be paralyzed in debate over cost/benefit analysis.A base on the moon is a good interim step , learning to crawl before we walk , and while it may not have any known payoffs in material gains , the increased knowledge will be priceless .
Further , it 's a lot easier to resupply and make significant changes on the moon than on a distant planet.There 's a reason we test designs on earth as much as possible before we launch them , and it 's the same reason we should be testing designs for human habitation on the moon before we try them elsewhere.Unless you think there 's no point in exploration period , which ignores the entirety of human history and a good portion of its technological advances .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's better for us as a society to try new things than to be paralyzed in debate over cost/benefit analysis.A base on the moon is a good interim step, learning to crawl before we walk, and while it may not have any known payoffs in material gains, the increased knowledge will be priceless.
Further, it's a lot easier to resupply and make significant changes on the moon than on a distant planet.There's a reason we test designs on earth as much as possible before we launch them, and it's the same reason we should be testing designs for human habitation on the moon before we try them elsewhere.Unless you think there's no point in exploration period, which ignores the entirety of human history and a good portion of its technological advances.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30094740</id>
	<title>Anonymous  Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258129560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>CHEESE AFTER ALL~!</p><p>I KNEW IT~!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>CHEESE AFTER ALL ~ ! I KNEW IT ~ !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>CHEESE AFTER ALL~!I KNEW IT~!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30091546</id>
	<title>Re:Because I Said So, That's Why!</title>
	<author>vekrander</author>
	<datestamp>1258105380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's possible that, for the sake of the earth impact moon creation theory, that the object contained water.  On the other hand, it's very likely that the earth already had some, if not most of the water that it has in it's current state.  Water is not hard to come by in our solar system by any means (see: Mars, Europa, Charon).  Being that there is little we can conclude about the formation of the moon, I believe there's little reason to think that the Earth's present amount of water came from outside sources.  Occam's razor would suggest that Earth's water formed from the large amount of hydrogen and oxygen present during the early stages of its formation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's possible that , for the sake of the earth impact moon creation theory , that the object contained water .
On the other hand , it 's very likely that the earth already had some , if not most of the water that it has in it 's current state .
Water is not hard to come by in our solar system by any means ( see : Mars , Europa , Charon ) .
Being that there is little we can conclude about the formation of the moon , I believe there 's little reason to think that the Earth 's present amount of water came from outside sources .
Occam 's razor would suggest that Earth 's water formed from the large amount of hydrogen and oxygen present during the early stages of its formation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's possible that, for the sake of the earth impact moon creation theory, that the object contained water.
On the other hand, it's very likely that the earth already had some, if not most of the water that it has in it's current state.
Water is not hard to come by in our solar system by any means (see: Mars, Europa, Charon).
Being that there is little we can conclude about the formation of the moon, I believe there's little reason to think that the Earth's present amount of water came from outside sources.
Occam's razor would suggest that Earth's water formed from the large amount of hydrogen and oxygen present during the early stages of its formation.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30092234</id>
	<title>Re:Whats the hold up</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258109040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's a far better staging point for interplanetary launches than Earth is.  Not as good as high orbit, but a large moon base may be arguably more practical and economical than a large orbital base.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a far better staging point for interplanetary launches than Earth is .
Not as good as high orbit , but a large moon base may be arguably more practical and economical than a large orbital base .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a far better staging point for interplanetary launches than Earth is.
Not as good as high orbit, but a large moon base may be arguably more practical and economical than a large orbital base.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30091694</id>
	<title>Re:Whats the hold up</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258106220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Base on the moon!</p></div><p>Uh, no, Lego building blocks on the moon!</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Lets go fuckers!</p></div><p>Tsk, we don't even know you. What do you take us for? Tramps?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Base on the moon ! Uh , no , Lego building blocks on the moon ! Lets go fuckers ! Tsk , we do n't even know you .
What do you take us for ?
Tramps ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Base on the moon!Uh, no, Lego building blocks on the moon!Lets go fuckers!Tsk, we don't even know you.
What do you take us for?
Tramps?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30093152</id>
	<title>what's the purpose of a church?</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
	<datestamp>1258114980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>how much has been spent building religious monuments and buildings? what is gained fom the expenditure?</p><p>not everything in life is an actuarial table that decides what to do with your time. some goals promise upfront 0\% capital return, yet are perfectly acceptable. because the return on the investment is abstract</p><p>why spend your weekend mountain climbing? all that time, money, and risk.. for a renewed sense of self</p><p>so why go to the moon?</p><p>maybe because there's something in us yearning to get off earth? worth quadrillions of dollars? sure, why not. what else is there to spend all the money on? mansions and nice cars get boring after awhile</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>how much has been spent building religious monuments and buildings ?
what is gained fom the expenditure ? not everything in life is an actuarial table that decides what to do with your time .
some goals promise upfront 0 \ % capital return , yet are perfectly acceptable .
because the return on the investment is abstractwhy spend your weekend mountain climbing ?
all that time , money , and risk.. for a renewed sense of selfso why go to the moon ? maybe because there 's something in us yearning to get off earth ?
worth quadrillions of dollars ?
sure , why not .
what else is there to spend all the money on ?
mansions and nice cars get boring after awhile</tokentext>
<sentencetext>how much has been spent building religious monuments and buildings?
what is gained fom the expenditure?not everything in life is an actuarial table that decides what to do with your time.
some goals promise upfront 0\% capital return, yet are perfectly acceptable.
because the return on the investment is abstractwhy spend your weekend mountain climbing?
all that time, money, and risk.. for a renewed sense of selfso why go to the moon?maybe because there's something in us yearning to get off earth?
worth quadrillions of dollars?
sure, why not.
what else is there to spend all the money on?
mansions and nice cars get boring after awhile</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30091208</id>
	<title>Because I Said So, That's Why!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258103820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've no background and little education in this area but I do have an off the wall question. I have some understanding of the theory describing the initial impact from which the moon is thought to have come, and, the attendant theory that the formation of the moon may have been one of the first, big contingent happenings that drove the development of life on earth. My question centres on the material that made up the body that smashed into the early earth, added much to the earth's "girth" and gave us the present moon. Is it possible the impacting body was composed of a lot of water? There's questions surrounding how earth came to have so much water. If the impacting body that gave us the moon contained a great amount of water, the impact, formation of the moon, water on earth and the early evolution of life comes into focus as a "just so" story.</p><p>just my loose change</p><p>
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<tokenext>I 've no background and little education in this area but I do have an off the wall question .
I have some understanding of the theory describing the initial impact from which the moon is thought to have come , and , the attendant theory that the formation of the moon may have been one of the first , big contingent happenings that drove the development of life on earth .
My question centres on the material that made up the body that smashed into the early earth , added much to the earth 's " girth " and gave us the present moon .
Is it possible the impacting body was composed of a lot of water ?
There 's questions surrounding how earth came to have so much water .
If the impacting body that gave us the moon contained a great amount of water , the impact , formation of the moon , water on earth and the early evolution of life comes into focus as a " just so " story.just my loose change  </tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've no background and little education in this area but I do have an off the wall question.
I have some understanding of the theory describing the initial impact from which the moon is thought to have come, and, the attendant theory that the formation of the moon may have been one of the first, big contingent happenings that drove the development of life on earth.
My question centres on the material that made up the body that smashed into the early earth, added much to the earth's "girth" and gave us the present moon.
Is it possible the impacting body was composed of a lot of water?
There's questions surrounding how earth came to have so much water.
If the impacting body that gave us the moon contained a great amount of water, the impact, formation of the moon, water on earth and the early evolution of life comes into focus as a "just so" story.just my loose change
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30091092</id>
	<title>Obligatory NASA link</title>
	<author>kvap</author>
	<datestamp>1258103340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>They already found water on Mars a few years ago and posted on their website:<br><br>http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0504/WaterOnMars2\_gcc\_big.jpg</htmltext>
<tokenext>They already found water on Mars a few years ago and posted on their website : http : //antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0504/WaterOnMars2 \ _gcc \ _big.jpg</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They already found water on Mars a few years ago and posted on their website:http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0504/WaterOnMars2\_gcc\_big.jpg</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30090930</id>
	<title>Can we just clarify something?</title>
	<author>wandazulu</author>
	<datestamp>1258145880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When they say ice and water, are they talking about the stuff you can fill up your canteen and go, or is there something else in it that would make it undrinkable?</p><p>I ask because Mars has its ice caps, but as I understand it's just dry-ice (frozen CO2) that would make for an awesome Halloween party effect, but obviously won't sustain any sort of life.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When they say ice and water , are they talking about the stuff you can fill up your canteen and go , or is there something else in it that would make it undrinkable ? I ask because Mars has its ice caps , but as I understand it 's just dry-ice ( frozen CO2 ) that would make for an awesome Halloween party effect , but obviously wo n't sustain any sort of life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When they say ice and water, are they talking about the stuff you can fill up your canteen and go, or is there something else in it that would make it undrinkable?I ask because Mars has its ice caps, but as I understand it's just dry-ice (frozen CO2) that would make for an awesome Halloween party effect, but obviously won't sustain any sort of life.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30090908</id>
	<title>It's all gone now.</title>
	<author>nomorecwrd</author>
	<datestamp>1258145820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>, but it is safe to say Cabeus holds water</p></div><p>
Or, maybe it <b>did</b> hold water... until the impact.</p></div>
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<tokenext>, but it is safe to say Cabeus holds water Or , maybe it did hold water... until the impact .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>, but it is safe to say Cabeus holds water
Or, maybe it did hold water... until the impact.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30091756</id>
	<title>Re:Whats the hold up</title>
	<author>dkleinsc</author>
	<datestamp>1258106460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We all know that the reason to have a moon base is to build a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Moon\_is\_a\_Harsh\_Mistress" title="wikipedia.org">libertarian utopia</a> [wikipedia.org].</p><p>Some actual serious reasons:<br>1. We'd get off this rock for more than a quick visit. If you're looking at major achievements of humanity, I'd think that would definitely rank somewhere significant.<br>2. Because we'd be off this rock, we'd have a good environment to test handling that sort of thing from an engineering standpoint, with the possibility of a much more manageable return if something were to go wrong. Important questions like "how do we handle the issue of solar radiation", "Can we grow enough plants in controlled environments to sustain an off-Earth colony", and so forth.<br>3. Heck, I'd pay good money to walk on the moon.</p><p>In short, this sort of thing isn't about making cash, it's about taking yet another small step for mankind. Yes, that requires looking past your lifetime, but that doesn't mean it's not worth doing.</p><p>Water is good news. I'm sure there's going to be lots of water reclamation equipment for any base we do end up building, but having external sources of water is a definite plus.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We all know that the reason to have a moon base is to build a libertarian utopia [ wikipedia.org ] .Some actual serious reasons : 1 .
We 'd get off this rock for more than a quick visit .
If you 're looking at major achievements of humanity , I 'd think that would definitely rank somewhere significant.2 .
Because we 'd be off this rock , we 'd have a good environment to test handling that sort of thing from an engineering standpoint , with the possibility of a much more manageable return if something were to go wrong .
Important questions like " how do we handle the issue of solar radiation " , " Can we grow enough plants in controlled environments to sustain an off-Earth colony " , and so forth.3 .
Heck , I 'd pay good money to walk on the moon.In short , this sort of thing is n't about making cash , it 's about taking yet another small step for mankind .
Yes , that requires looking past your lifetime , but that does n't mean it 's not worth doing.Water is good news .
I 'm sure there 's going to be lots of water reclamation equipment for any base we do end up building , but having external sources of water is a definite plus .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We all know that the reason to have a moon base is to build a libertarian utopia [wikipedia.org].Some actual serious reasons:1.
We'd get off this rock for more than a quick visit.
If you're looking at major achievements of humanity, I'd think that would definitely rank somewhere significant.2.
Because we'd be off this rock, we'd have a good environment to test handling that sort of thing from an engineering standpoint, with the possibility of a much more manageable return if something were to go wrong.
Important questions like "how do we handle the issue of solar radiation", "Can we grow enough plants in controlled environments to sustain an off-Earth colony", and so forth.3.
Heck, I'd pay good money to walk on the moon.In short, this sort of thing isn't about making cash, it's about taking yet another small step for mankind.
Yes, that requires looking past your lifetime, but that doesn't mean it's not worth doing.Water is good news.
I'm sure there's going to be lots of water reclamation equipment for any base we do end up building, but having external sources of water is a definite plus.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30093572</id>
	<title>Re:Whats the hold up</title>
	<author>DerekLyons</author>
	<datestamp>1258118100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><blockquote><div><p>there is *nothing* on the moon worth getting</p></div></blockquote><p>Your statement may prove similar, to Bill Gates' famous predictions regarding 640k memory... How do you know, for the Moon does not have expensive commodities to mine?</p></div></blockquote><p>Because we know A) the cost of materials on Earth, and B) the cost it takes to get materials back from the Moon.  Comparing 'A' to 'B' one discovers that there is not one single material on Earth whose cost 'A' isn't a fraction of its cost 'B'.  There could be a cubic mile of gold in LEO (which is an order of magnitude cheaper to get to and from then the Moon), and even if were already broken up into 10kg chunks so that all you have to do is shovel it into your spacecraft...  you'd go broke mining it.<br>
&nbsp; <br>We don't have to know what's there when we know that there's no possible substance that can pay its own way.<br>
&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp; </p><blockquote><div><p>You are lacking imagination... How about vacation-destination for those, who want to experience five times lower gravity? How about retirement homes for people, too frail to move on their own on Earth -- they may be able to dance on the Moon? Technics may appear exploiting the low gravity for therapies for, say, spine-injuries (such as when a person needs to re-learn, how to walk).</p></div></blockquote><p>Imagining things is trivially easy.  And pretty much meaningless.  In the real world, numbers matter - and the numbers say "<i>no way Jos&#233;</i>"  The costs of space travel would have to drop by four or five orders of magnitude before any of that becomes barely affordable for Bill Gates and others of his financial stature, and another couple of orders of magnitude before John Q Upperclasspublic can afford it, and yet another couple before Joe Punchclock can even dream of it.<br>
&nbsp; <br>Barring some hitherto unforseen 'killer app' or government investment on the order of the entire national budget for the next couple of decades - that nine to ten orders of magnitude drop simply isn't happening.</p></div>
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<tokenext>there is * nothing * on the moon worth gettingYour statement may prove similar , to Bill Gates ' famous predictions regarding 640k memory... How do you know , for the Moon does not have expensive commodities to mine ? Because we know A ) the cost of materials on Earth , and B ) the cost it takes to get materials back from the Moon .
Comparing 'A ' to 'B ' one discovers that there is not one single material on Earth whose cost 'A ' is n't a fraction of its cost 'B' .
There could be a cubic mile of gold in LEO ( which is an order of magnitude cheaper to get to and from then the Moon ) , and even if were already broken up into 10kg chunks so that all you have to do is shovel it into your spacecraft... you 'd go broke mining it .
  We do n't have to know what 's there when we know that there 's no possible substance that can pay its own way .
    You are lacking imagination... How about vacation-destination for those , who want to experience five times lower gravity ?
How about retirement homes for people , too frail to move on their own on Earth -- they may be able to dance on the Moon ?
Technics may appear exploiting the low gravity for therapies for , say , spine-injuries ( such as when a person needs to re-learn , how to walk ) .Imagining things is trivially easy .
And pretty much meaningless .
In the real world , numbers matter - and the numbers say " no way Jos   " The costs of space travel would have to drop by four or five orders of magnitude before any of that becomes barely affordable for Bill Gates and others of his financial stature , and another couple of orders of magnitude before John Q Upperclasspublic can afford it , and yet another couple before Joe Punchclock can even dream of it .
  Barring some hitherto unforseen 'killer app ' or government investment on the order of the entire national budget for the next couple of decades - that nine to ten orders of magnitude drop simply is n't happening .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>there is *nothing* on the moon worth gettingYour statement may prove similar, to Bill Gates' famous predictions regarding 640k memory... How do you know, for the Moon does not have expensive commodities to mine?Because we know A) the cost of materials on Earth, and B) the cost it takes to get materials back from the Moon.
Comparing 'A' to 'B' one discovers that there is not one single material on Earth whose cost 'A' isn't a fraction of its cost 'B'.
There could be a cubic mile of gold in LEO (which is an order of magnitude cheaper to get to and from then the Moon), and even if were already broken up into 10kg chunks so that all you have to do is shovel it into your spacecraft...  you'd go broke mining it.
  We don't have to know what's there when we know that there's no possible substance that can pay its own way.
  
  You are lacking imagination... How about vacation-destination for those, who want to experience five times lower gravity?
How about retirement homes for people, too frail to move on their own on Earth -- they may be able to dance on the Moon?
Technics may appear exploiting the low gravity for therapies for, say, spine-injuries (such as when a person needs to re-learn, how to walk).Imagining things is trivially easy.
And pretty much meaningless.
In the real world, numbers matter - and the numbers say "no way José"  The costs of space travel would have to drop by four or five orders of magnitude before any of that becomes barely affordable for Bill Gates and others of his financial stature, and another couple of orders of magnitude before John Q Upperclasspublic can afford it, and yet another couple before Joe Punchclock can even dream of it.
  Barring some hitherto unforseen 'killer app' or government investment on the order of the entire national budget for the next couple of decades - that nine to ten orders of magnitude drop simply isn't happening.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30097370</id>
	<title>Whopeee!</title>
	<author>dgr73</author>
	<datestamp>1258213080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What this means is my Lunar Real Estate (http://www.lunarregistry.com) is worth loads of money!! Eat your hearts out earthlings, I'll be moving to my big hacienda in the sky!</htmltext>
<tokenext>What this means is my Lunar Real Estate ( http : //www.lunarregistry.com ) is worth loads of money ! !
Eat your hearts out earthlings , I 'll be moving to my big hacienda in the sky !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What this means is my Lunar Real Estate (http://www.lunarregistry.com) is worth loads of money!!
Eat your hearts out earthlings, I'll be moving to my big hacienda in the sky!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30091124</id>
	<title>Re:Can we just clarify something?</title>
	<author>natehoy</author>
	<datestamp>1258103460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They have found water, as in H2O, not CO2.</p><p>It may or may not be mixed with anything narsty (I'd lean toward "almost certainly does"), and it may or may not exist in sufficient quantities to be useful.</p><p>However, this is still a potentially significant discovery.  If a future expedition discovers that there's enough water up there, it could make lunar bases easier to build.  After all, water is probably the single heaviest thing you'd have to carry up for a lunar base.  If a ready supply is already there, that's a big start, even if you have to develop some technologies to scrub the nasties out of it before you can drink it.  It's also an important building component if you want to use local materials to, say, build protective walls over your delicate settlement.  Lunar adobe brick made of local dirt and local water, for example.  Then you wouldn't care what contaminants are in it, as long as it could be used to solidify bricks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They have found water , as in H2O , not CO2.It may or may not be mixed with anything narsty ( I 'd lean toward " almost certainly does " ) , and it may or may not exist in sufficient quantities to be useful.However , this is still a potentially significant discovery .
If a future expedition discovers that there 's enough water up there , it could make lunar bases easier to build .
After all , water is probably the single heaviest thing you 'd have to carry up for a lunar base .
If a ready supply is already there , that 's a big start , even if you have to develop some technologies to scrub the nasties out of it before you can drink it .
It 's also an important building component if you want to use local materials to , say , build protective walls over your delicate settlement .
Lunar adobe brick made of local dirt and local water , for example .
Then you would n't care what contaminants are in it , as long as it could be used to solidify bricks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They have found water, as in H2O, not CO2.It may or may not be mixed with anything narsty (I'd lean toward "almost certainly does"), and it may or may not exist in sufficient quantities to be useful.However, this is still a potentially significant discovery.
If a future expedition discovers that there's enough water up there, it could make lunar bases easier to build.
After all, water is probably the single heaviest thing you'd have to carry up for a lunar base.
If a ready supply is already there, that's a big start, even if you have to develop some technologies to scrub the nasties out of it before you can drink it.
It's also an important building component if you want to use local materials to, say, build protective walls over your delicate settlement.
Lunar adobe brick made of local dirt and local water, for example.
Then you wouldn't care what contaminants are in it, as long as it could be used to solidify bricks.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30093670</id>
	<title>Is the water signal due to the LOX/LH2 rocket</title>
	<author>Yergle143</author>
	<datestamp>1258118760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't want to disparage the NASA scientists, I think they know what they're
doing. Well then how do they distinguish between the plume from resident
ices and possible unburned LOX/LH2 (which makes water by good old
fashioned chemistry)? Also ice build up on vessel.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't want to disparage the NASA scientists , I think they know what they 're doing .
Well then how do they distinguish between the plume from resident ices and possible unburned LOX/LH2 ( which makes water by good old fashioned chemistry ) ?
Also ice build up on vessel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't want to disparage the NASA scientists, I think they know what they're
doing.
Well then how do they distinguish between the plume from resident
ices and possible unburned LOX/LH2 (which makes water by good old
fashioned chemistry)?
Also ice build up on vessel.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30091104</id>
	<title>Re:Can we just clarify something?</title>
	<author>alexborges</author>
	<datestamp>1258103340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>"but obviously won't sustain any sort of life."</i></p><p>You clearly have never been to Berlin.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" but obviously wo n't sustain any sort of life .
" You clearly have never been to Berlin .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"but obviously won't sustain any sort of life.
"You clearly have never been to Berlin.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30090742</id>
	<title>Re:Alright...</title>
	<author>alexborges</author>
	<datestamp>1258144920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Man... I wanted the scotch joke.</p><p>You nerdy killjoy you....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Man... I wanted the scotch joke.You nerdy killjoy you... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Man... I wanted the scotch joke.You nerdy killjoy you....</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30093244</id>
	<title>Re:Can we just clarify something?</title>
	<author>jipn4</author>
	<datestamp>1258115640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The water may just be stored in rock hydrates.  In that case, you wouldn't even be able to tell that it's there, it would look just like rocks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The water may just be stored in rock hydrates .
In that case , you would n't even be able to tell that it 's there , it would look just like rocks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The water may just be stored in rock hydrates.
In that case, you wouldn't even be able to tell that it's there, it would look just like rocks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30099570</id>
	<title>Oops!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258228200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"If the water that was formed or deposited is billions of years old, these polar cold traps could hold a key to the history and evolution of the solar system, much as an ice core sample taken on Earth reveals ancient data"</p><p>Well, it did, until the single remaining billion-year-old ice sculpture of the progenitors was obliterated by a falling rocket.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" If the water that was formed or deposited is billions of years old , these polar cold traps could hold a key to the history and evolution of the solar system , much as an ice core sample taken on Earth reveals ancient data " Well , it did , until the single remaining billion-year-old ice sculpture of the progenitors was obliterated by a falling rocket .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"If the water that was formed or deposited is billions of years old, these polar cold traps could hold a key to the history and evolution of the solar system, much as an ice core sample taken on Earth reveals ancient data"Well, it did, until the single remaining billion-year-old ice sculpture of the progenitors was obliterated by a falling rocket.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30092264</id>
	<title>"other intriguing substances"?  I'm intrigued.</title>
	<author>jeffb (2.718)</author>
	<datestamp>1258109220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FTFA:  <i>"Along with the water in Cabeus, there are hints of other intriguing substances."</i> </p><p>Hydrocarbons?</p><p>Amino acids?</p><p>Radium?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FTFA : " Along with the water in Cabeus , there are hints of other intriguing substances .
" Hydrocarbons ? Amino acids ? Radium ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FTFA:  "Along with the water in Cabeus, there are hints of other intriguing substances.
" Hydrocarbons?Amino acids?Radium?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30092756</id>
	<title>Re:Drill baby drill!</title>
	<author>Rei</author>
	<datestamp>1258112160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you do the math, there's not much water there.  A crater ~80 feet by ~13 feet, and the plume only showed evidence for about 25 gallons of water.  That's ~150ppm.  Better than the ppb quantities that were previously known, mind you...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you do the math , there 's not much water there .
A crater ~ 80 feet by ~ 13 feet , and the plume only showed evidence for about 25 gallons of water .
That 's ~ 150ppm .
Better than the ppb quantities that were previously known , mind you.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you do the math, there's not much water there.
A crater ~80 feet by ~13 feet, and the plume only showed evidence for about 25 gallons of water.
That's ~150ppm.
Better than the ppb quantities that were previously known, mind you...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30090722</id>
	<title>What's the point?</title>
	<author>Pro923</author>
	<datestamp>1258144860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I mean will Lunar Springs really be able to compete in the bottled water sector?  Will I be able to choose between filtered and "Some Regolith"?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I mean will Lunar Springs really be able to compete in the bottled water sector ?
Will I be able to choose between filtered and " Some Regolith " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean will Lunar Springs really be able to compete in the bottled water sector?
Will I be able to choose between filtered and "Some Regolith"?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30095772</id>
	<title>Re:Whats the hold up</title>
	<author>Nathrael</author>
	<datestamp>1258189320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Build a mass driver on the moon and there you go - the ultimate way to ensure *nobody* is ever going to attack you, as despite all the missile interception technology you can come up with, it'll be a long time 'till you can shield yourself against a deadly barrage of big, fat asteroids raining down from the sky. Forget about nukes.<br> <br>Of course, it would also be useful for more peaceful purposes. Before setting up a base on Mars, it would be quite useful to build a base on the moon to test everything and maybe discover something new that'd help as well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Build a mass driver on the moon and there you go - the ultimate way to ensure * nobody * is ever going to attack you , as despite all the missile interception technology you can come up with , it 'll be a long time 'till you can shield yourself against a deadly barrage of big , fat asteroids raining down from the sky .
Forget about nukes .
Of course , it would also be useful for more peaceful purposes .
Before setting up a base on Mars , it would be quite useful to build a base on the moon to test everything and maybe discover something new that 'd help as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Build a mass driver on the moon and there you go - the ultimate way to ensure *nobody* is ever going to attack you, as despite all the missile interception technology you can come up with, it'll be a long time 'till you can shield yourself against a deadly barrage of big, fat asteroids raining down from the sky.
Forget about nukes.
Of course, it would also be useful for more peaceful purposes.
Before setting up a base on Mars, it would be quite useful to build a base on the moon to test everything and maybe discover something new that'd help as well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30090970</id>
	<title>Obligatory Futurama</title>
	<author>Jason Levine</author>
	<datestamp>1258102800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sing to the tune of "We're Whalers on the Moon":</p><p>There's water on the Moon<br>We found it with big boom<br>For the probe crashed down<br>Impacted the ground<br>There's water in the plume!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sing to the tune of " We 're Whalers on the Moon " : There 's water on the MoonWe found it with big boomFor the probe crashed downImpacted the groundThere 's water in the plume !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sing to the tune of "We're Whalers on the Moon":There's water on the MoonWe found it with big boomFor the probe crashed downImpacted the groundThere's water in the plume!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30090634</id>
	<title>Oblig</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258144380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Glad they're not treading water anymore. I wonder who won the "pool"?  I hope these results really make a splash.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Glad they 're not treading water anymore .
I wonder who won the " pool " ?
I hope these results really make a splash .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Glad they're not treading water anymore.
I wonder who won the "pool"?
I hope these results really make a splash.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30090984</id>
	<title>Re:Whats the hold up</title>
	<author>MickyTheIdiot</author>
	<datestamp>1258102860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Space 2099</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Space 2099</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Space 2099</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30091206</id>
	<title>The real source of the water</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258103820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As Zort sat looking at the stars a shiny object grew larger. From the shade of the crater he sipped from his water bottle wondering what to growing object was? Slowly he could make out the letters L-C-R-O-S-S on it's metal surface.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As Zort sat looking at the stars a shiny object grew larger .
From the shade of the crater he sipped from his water bottle wondering what to growing object was ?
Slowly he could make out the letters L-C-R-O-S-S on it 's metal surface .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As Zort sat looking at the stars a shiny object grew larger.
From the shade of the crater he sipped from his water bottle wondering what to growing object was?
Slowly he could make out the letters L-C-R-O-S-S on it's metal surface.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30090906</id>
	<title>Re:Whats the hold up</title>
	<author>Abcd1234</author>
	<datestamp>1258145820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The hold up?  Probably the part where a base on the moon is pointless and exceedingly expensive?  I mean, sure, it'd be cool... but let's be reasonable, here: there is *nothing* on the moon worth getting (and before you He3-fusion wankers chime in, go <a href="http://www.bautforum.com/astronomy/14699-lunar-he3-mining-quick-look-numbers.html" title="bautforum.com" rel="nofollow">read this</a> [bautforum.com]).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The hold up ?
Probably the part where a base on the moon is pointless and exceedingly expensive ?
I mean , sure , it 'd be cool... but let 's be reasonable , here : there is * nothing * on the moon worth getting ( and before you He3-fusion wankers chime in , go read this [ bautforum.com ] ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The hold up?
Probably the part where a base on the moon is pointless and exceedingly expensive?
I mean, sure, it'd be cool... but let's be reasonable, here: there is *nothing* on the moon worth getting (and before you He3-fusion wankers chime in, go read this [bautforum.com]).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30092952</id>
	<title>Re:Alright...</title>
	<author>Tetsujin</author>
	<datestamp>1258113540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>cue the aliens on the Moon, landing there and using the water to mix with the scotch and other lame ass jokes.</p></div><p>The aliens have set themselves up with a nice little night-club on the moon...</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>...no atmosphere, though.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>cue the aliens on the Moon , landing there and using the water to mix with the scotch and other lame ass jokes.The aliens have set themselves up with a nice little night-club on the moon... ...no atmosphere , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>cue the aliens on the Moon, landing there and using the water to mix with the scotch and other lame ass jokes.The aliens have set themselves up with a nice little night-club on the moon... ...no atmosphere, though.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30091180</id>
	<title>Re:Oblig</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258103700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Breaking news: NASA is planning to liquidate their ass[et]s.</p><p>(posting as AC for obvious reasons)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Breaking news : NASA is planning to liquidate their ass [ et ] s. ( posting as AC for obvious reasons )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Breaking news: NASA is planning to liquidate their ass[et]s.(posting as AC for obvious reasons)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30091294</id>
	<title>Re:Moonshine</title>
	<author>MBGMorden</author>
	<datestamp>1258104180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm guessing it tastes like . . . . water.</p><p>Don't get me wrong I'm sure there would be a hell of a market for the stuff, but despite having tried vodka or bottled water made from glacial water, stream water, tap water, magic water, or any other water you might think of, they all tasted pretty much the same.</p><p>The only reason I buy bottled water these days is that it's already conveniently packaged.  I go to the gym sometimes (ok, I admit I went every day for the first month after I signed up and more recently have been making it in once or twice per month<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D) and it's easy to just grab a bottle of water out the trunk of the car and take it in.  The stuff I buy is dirt cheap from Big Lots though.  Tastes . . . like water<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm guessing it tastes like .
. .
. water.Do n't get me wrong I 'm sure there would be a hell of a market for the stuff , but despite having tried vodka or bottled water made from glacial water , stream water , tap water , magic water , or any other water you might think of , they all tasted pretty much the same.The only reason I buy bottled water these days is that it 's already conveniently packaged .
I go to the gym sometimes ( ok , I admit I went every day for the first month after I signed up and more recently have been making it in once or twice per month : D ) and it 's easy to just grab a bottle of water out the trunk of the car and take it in .
The stuff I buy is dirt cheap from Big Lots though .
Tastes .
. .
like water ; ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm guessing it tastes like .
. .
. water.Don't get me wrong I'm sure there would be a hell of a market for the stuff, but despite having tried vodka or bottled water made from glacial water, stream water, tap water, magic water, or any other water you might think of, they all tasted pretty much the same.The only reason I buy bottled water these days is that it's already conveniently packaged.
I go to the gym sometimes (ok, I admit I went every day for the first month after I signed up and more recently have been making it in once or twice per month :D) and it's easy to just grab a bottle of water out the trunk of the car and take it in.
The stuff I buy is dirt cheap from Big Lots though.
Tastes .
. .
like water ;).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30090680</id>
	<title>Drill baby drill!</title>
	<author>eln</author>
	<datestamp>1258144560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>So now we need to get up there with some drilling equipment and figure out if there's actually water beneath the surface or if the only water on the moon is trace amounts leftover from the occasional comet impact.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So now we need to get up there with some drilling equipment and figure out if there 's actually water beneath the surface or if the only water on the moon is trace amounts leftover from the occasional comet impact .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So now we need to get up there with some drilling equipment and figure out if there's actually water beneath the surface or if the only water on the moon is trace amounts leftover from the occasional comet impact.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30093500</id>
	<title>Re:Whats the hold up</title>
	<author>WindBourne</author>
	<datestamp>1258117800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Nothing except for possibly lots of Uranium/Plutonium for use in space exploration, Rare Earth minerals (which may causes wars/world war to be started in the next 5 years), the ability to launch a number of sats at high speeds cheaply, a new tourist location for Billionaire (who would then fund a lot of this), New Robotics that come back to Earth and on to mars, the ability to test equipment prior to sending to mars, <a href="http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/6422009/space-weapons-inevitable-says-beijing/" title="yahoo.com">the ability to put lasers, rods from gods, etc if needed, or even better yet, stop others from doing it</a> [yahoo.com],  etc, etc, etc.<br> <br>
BUT, hey, it is silly waste of resource to the idiots that think that they will solve all of the World's need by focusing HERE. Right?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nothing except for possibly lots of Uranium/Plutonium for use in space exploration , Rare Earth minerals ( which may causes wars/world war to be started in the next 5 years ) , the ability to launch a number of sats at high speeds cheaply , a new tourist location for Billionaire ( who would then fund a lot of this ) , New Robotics that come back to Earth and on to mars , the ability to test equipment prior to sending to mars , the ability to put lasers , rods from gods , etc if needed , or even better yet , stop others from doing it [ yahoo.com ] , etc , etc , etc .
BUT , hey , it is silly waste of resource to the idiots that think that they will solve all of the World 's need by focusing HERE .
Right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nothing except for possibly lots of Uranium/Plutonium for use in space exploration, Rare Earth minerals (which may causes wars/world war to be started in the next 5 years), the ability to launch a number of sats at high speeds cheaply, a new tourist location for Billionaire (who would then fund a lot of this), New Robotics that come back to Earth and on to mars, the ability to test equipment prior to sending to mars, the ability to put lasers, rods from gods, etc if needed, or even better yet, stop others from doing it [yahoo.com],  etc, etc, etc.
BUT, hey, it is silly waste of resource to the idiots that think that they will solve all of the World's need by focusing HERE.
Right?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30091014</id>
	<title>Sailor Moon</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258102980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now she has water to sail on....</p><p>Next up, Whalers on the Moon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now she has water to sail on....Next up , Whalers on the Moon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now she has water to sail on....Next up, Whalers on the Moon.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30091238</id>
	<title>Re:Whats the hold up</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258103940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's the hold up?</p><p>Sadly, it is the elephant in the room; Mineral Rights.</p><p>Capitalism, will eventually rear its ugly head on this one. We know there's water, as well as salts, metals, He3.... With the amount of clout Corporations have, and the number of 'elected representative' they've put into office, we won't be going to the moon until the powers that be have sorted it all out in the back room. Altruism, and space exploration for the benefit of mankind is on the down swing. Economics, by way of profits, has been <i>god</i> for a while now, and isn't going to falter into that dark abyss anytime soon.</p><p>The adventurer in me, wants and knows we should be up there traipsing on the moon as I type. The realist in me knows it won't happen for at least a decade, regardless of what else is discovered.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's the hold up ? Sadly , it is the elephant in the room ; Mineral Rights.Capitalism , will eventually rear its ugly head on this one .
We know there 's water , as well as salts , metals , He3.... With the amount of clout Corporations have , and the number of 'elected representative ' they 've put into office , we wo n't be going to the moon until the powers that be have sorted it all out in the back room .
Altruism , and space exploration for the benefit of mankind is on the down swing .
Economics , by way of profits , has been god for a while now , and is n't going to falter into that dark abyss anytime soon.The adventurer in me , wants and knows we should be up there traipsing on the moon as I type .
The realist in me knows it wo n't happen for at least a decade , regardless of what else is discovered .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's the hold up?Sadly, it is the elephant in the room; Mineral Rights.Capitalism, will eventually rear its ugly head on this one.
We know there's water, as well as salts, metals, He3.... With the amount of clout Corporations have, and the number of 'elected representative' they've put into office, we won't be going to the moon until the powers that be have sorted it all out in the back room.
Altruism, and space exploration for the benefit of mankind is on the down swing.
Economics, by way of profits, has been god for a while now, and isn't going to falter into that dark abyss anytime soon.The adventurer in me, wants and knows we should be up there traipsing on the moon as I type.
The realist in me knows it won't happen for at least a decade, regardless of what else is discovered.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30093494</id>
	<title>Re:Whats the hold up</title>
	<author>camperdave</author>
	<datestamp>1258117740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A source of water provides a much bigger gain than merely being a source of something to drink (and breathe).  It can be used as propellant.  Propellant is everything in space travel.  You need roughly ten kilos of propellant for every kilo you launch into orbit from Earth.  For the trip to Mars, you would need: propellant to do the Earth-Mars transit, propellant to enter into Mars orbit, propellant to descend to the Martian surface, propellant to ascend back into Mars orbit, propellant for the return transit, and propellant to re-enter Earth orbit.  Every kilo of all that propellant needs to be launched from the Earth, and it'll take ten kilos of propellant each to do it.  Altogether, to return a tonne of stuff from the surface of Mars (astronauts and such), may cost you a hundred tonnes of propellant.<br> <br>
Now, if you had a source of propellant in orbit around Mars already, then you wouldn't need to cart the descent fuel, the ascent fuel, and the return trip fuel with you.  Suddenly, instead of a 100:1 ratio, you're down to a 50:1.  That means either the ability to use much less fuel to launch the same cargo, or the ability to launch much more cargo with the same amount of fuel.<br> <br>
Suppose you found a rich source of water, enough to make a million kg of propellant.  The equipment needed to process that water: to filter it, and electrolyze it, and compress the gasses into liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen, plus the tanks to store it in, may weigh less than the fuel required to get a million kg of fuel from Earth to the same point.   Suppose we find an asteroid with a couple of trillion kilograms of water.  It's fairly cheap, propellant wise, to ferry stuff from the asteroid belt to where it would be handy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A source of water provides a much bigger gain than merely being a source of something to drink ( and breathe ) .
It can be used as propellant .
Propellant is everything in space travel .
You need roughly ten kilos of propellant for every kilo you launch into orbit from Earth .
For the trip to Mars , you would need : propellant to do the Earth-Mars transit , propellant to enter into Mars orbit , propellant to descend to the Martian surface , propellant to ascend back into Mars orbit , propellant for the return transit , and propellant to re-enter Earth orbit .
Every kilo of all that propellant needs to be launched from the Earth , and it 'll take ten kilos of propellant each to do it .
Altogether , to return a tonne of stuff from the surface of Mars ( astronauts and such ) , may cost you a hundred tonnes of propellant .
Now , if you had a source of propellant in orbit around Mars already , then you would n't need to cart the descent fuel , the ascent fuel , and the return trip fuel with you .
Suddenly , instead of a 100 : 1 ratio , you 're down to a 50 : 1 .
That means either the ability to use much less fuel to launch the same cargo , or the ability to launch much more cargo with the same amount of fuel .
Suppose you found a rich source of water , enough to make a million kg of propellant .
The equipment needed to process that water : to filter it , and electrolyze it , and compress the gasses into liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen , plus the tanks to store it in , may weigh less than the fuel required to get a million kg of fuel from Earth to the same point .
Suppose we find an asteroid with a couple of trillion kilograms of water .
It 's fairly cheap , propellant wise , to ferry stuff from the asteroid belt to where it would be handy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A source of water provides a much bigger gain than merely being a source of something to drink (and breathe).
It can be used as propellant.
Propellant is everything in space travel.
You need roughly ten kilos of propellant for every kilo you launch into orbit from Earth.
For the trip to Mars, you would need: propellant to do the Earth-Mars transit, propellant to enter into Mars orbit, propellant to descend to the Martian surface, propellant to ascend back into Mars orbit, propellant for the return transit, and propellant to re-enter Earth orbit.
Every kilo of all that propellant needs to be launched from the Earth, and it'll take ten kilos of propellant each to do it.
Altogether, to return a tonne of stuff from the surface of Mars (astronauts and such), may cost you a hundred tonnes of propellant.
Now, if you had a source of propellant in orbit around Mars already, then you wouldn't need to cart the descent fuel, the ascent fuel, and the return trip fuel with you.
Suddenly, instead of a 100:1 ratio, you're down to a 50:1.
That means either the ability to use much less fuel to launch the same cargo, or the ability to launch much more cargo with the same amount of fuel.
Suppose you found a rich source of water, enough to make a million kg of propellant.
The equipment needed to process that water: to filter it, and electrolyze it, and compress the gasses into liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen, plus the tanks to store it in, may weigh less than the fuel required to get a million kg of fuel from Earth to the same point.
Suppose we find an asteroid with a couple of trillion kilograms of water.
It's fairly cheap, propellant wise, to ferry stuff from the asteroid belt to where it would be handy.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30093426</id>
	<title>Re:Whats the hold up</title>
	<author>relguj9</author>
	<datestamp>1258117200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Launch platform too.. I'd imagine that launching a rocket off of the moon would cost much less fuel than launching one from Earth and that it would be easier to maintain a sustainable base on the moon than floating in space.  You could probably also construct and launch a much heavier Mars exploratory craft from parts shipped to a moon base than you could from Earth.<br> <br>

These things would be expensive, but if we had a sustainable / expanding base there it would get cheaper and easier over time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Launch platform too.. I 'd imagine that launching a rocket off of the moon would cost much less fuel than launching one from Earth and that it would be easier to maintain a sustainable base on the moon than floating in space .
You could probably also construct and launch a much heavier Mars exploratory craft from parts shipped to a moon base than you could from Earth .
These things would be expensive , but if we had a sustainable / expanding base there it would get cheaper and easier over time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Launch platform too.. I'd imagine that launching a rocket off of the moon would cost much less fuel than launching one from Earth and that it would be easier to maintain a sustainable base on the moon than floating in space.
You could probably also construct and launch a much heavier Mars exploratory craft from parts shipped to a moon base than you could from Earth.
These things would be expensive, but if we had a sustainable / expanding base there it would get cheaper and easier over time.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30090632</id>
	<title>Whats the hold up</title>
	<author>thenextstevejobs</author>
	<datestamp>1258144380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Base on the moon! Lets go fuckers!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Base on the moon !
Lets go fuckers !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Base on the moon!
Lets go fuckers!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30091578</id>
	<title>Re:Whats the hold up</title>
	<author>Monkeedude1212</author>
	<datestamp>1258105560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What about Cheaper mission costs if shuttles can be assembled on the moon and then launched from there with low orbit?</p><p>I mean, by your logic, the ISS is a complete waste of time and money, yet we still did it. Why would we back down from terrible Ideas NOW?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What about Cheaper mission costs if shuttles can be assembled on the moon and then launched from there with low orbit ? I mean , by your logic , the ISS is a complete waste of time and money , yet we still did it .
Why would we back down from terrible Ideas NOW ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about Cheaper mission costs if shuttles can be assembled on the moon and then launched from there with low orbit?I mean, by your logic, the ISS is a complete waste of time and money, yet we still did it.
Why would we back down from terrible Ideas NOW?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30090636</id>
	<title>Wait?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258144440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How is the Lunar water suspicious?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How is the Lunar water suspicious ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is the Lunar water suspicious?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30092560</id>
	<title>Re:Whats the hold up</title>
	<author>Snarkalicious</author>
	<datestamp>1258110900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The value of experience and exploration is not judged from the present, holmes.  We build the first one on the moon so we learn as many of the painful lessons up front as we can, in a location that's relatively easy to access.  In an emergency, we might get there in time to save staff or salvage something.  Even in the event of a toal loss, gathering evidence of cause is a crap load easier than it would be if we built elsewhere.  Water or no, the moon may be a worthless rock.  But it's a close worthless rock we can make good use of.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The value of experience and exploration is not judged from the present , holmes .
We build the first one on the moon so we learn as many of the painful lessons up front as we can , in a location that 's relatively easy to access .
In an emergency , we might get there in time to save staff or salvage something .
Even in the event of a toal loss , gathering evidence of cause is a crap load easier than it would be if we built elsewhere .
Water or no , the moon may be a worthless rock .
But it 's a close worthless rock we can make good use of .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The value of experience and exploration is not judged from the present, holmes.
We build the first one on the moon so we learn as many of the painful lessons up front as we can, in a location that's relatively easy to access.
In an emergency, we might get there in time to save staff or salvage something.
Even in the event of a toal loss, gathering evidence of cause is a crap load easier than it would be if we built elsewhere.
Water or no, the moon may be a worthless rock.
But it's a close worthless rock we can make good use of.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30091144</id>
	<title>Re:Can we just clarify something?</title>
	<author>nedlohs</author>
	<datestamp>1258103520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They don't mean dry ice, obviously because they are talking about water.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They do n't mean dry ice , obviously because they are talking about water .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They don't mean dry ice, obviously because they are talking about water.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30093018</id>
	<title>Re:Moonshine</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258114020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm a bit more lazy than you, so I cheat. I just put tap water in an empty bottle and drink from it. Cheap and more environment friendly because I don't need that many plastic bottles.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a bit more lazy than you , so I cheat .
I just put tap water in an empty bottle and drink from it .
Cheap and more environment friendly because I do n't need that many plastic bottles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a bit more lazy than you, so I cheat.
I just put tap water in an empty bottle and drink from it.
Cheap and more environment friendly because I don't need that many plastic bottles.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1729241.30092974</id>
	<title>Joseph Javorski?  Is that you?</title>
	<author>Tetsujin</author>
	<datestamp>1258113720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Base on the moon!</p></div><p>How did it get there? Secret data. Pictures of the Moon. Secret Data, never before outside the Kremlin. Man&rsquo;s first base on the Moon.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Base on the moon ! How did it get there ?
Secret data .
Pictures of the Moon .
Secret Data , never before outside the Kremlin .
Man    s first base on the Moon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Base on the moon!How did it get there?
Secret data.
Pictures of the Moon.
Secret Data, never before outside the Kremlin.
Man’s first base on the Moon.
	</sentencetext>
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