<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_13_143206</id>
	<title>Rosetta Fly-By To Probe "Pioneer Anomaly"</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1258129620000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>DynaSoar writes <i>"On Friday November 13th, ESA'a Rosetta probe will get its third and final gravity assist slingshot from Earth on its way to its primary targets, the asteroid Lutetia and Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko. But the slingshot itself will allow ESA scientists to examine the trajectory for unusual changes seen in several other probes' velocities. An unaccountable variation was first noticed as excess speed in Pioneers 11 and 12, and has since been called the <a href="//science.slashdot.org/story/08/04/13/1725212/The-Pioneer-Anomaly-amp-Other-Breaking-Physics-News">Pioneer Anomaly</a>. More troubling than mere speed increase is the inconsistency of the effect. While Galileo and NEAR had appreciable speed increases, Cassini and Messenger did not. Rosetta itself gained more speed than expected from its 2005 fly-by, but only the expected amount from its 2007 fly-by. Several theories have been advanced, from mundane atmospheric drag to exotic variations on special relativity, but none are so far adequate to explain both the unexpected velocity increases and the lack of them in different instances. Armed with tracking hardware and software capable of measuring Rosetta's velocity within a few millimeters per second while it flies past at 45,000 km/hr, ESA will be gathering <a href="http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Rosetta/SEMUCV3VU1G\_0.html">data which it hopes will help unravel the mystery</a>."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>DynaSoar writes " On Friday November 13th , ESA'a Rosetta probe will get its third and final gravity assist slingshot from Earth on its way to its primary targets , the asteroid Lutetia and Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko .
But the slingshot itself will allow ESA scientists to examine the trajectory for unusual changes seen in several other probes ' velocities .
An unaccountable variation was first noticed as excess speed in Pioneers 11 and 12 , and has since been called the Pioneer Anomaly .
More troubling than mere speed increase is the inconsistency of the effect .
While Galileo and NEAR had appreciable speed increases , Cassini and Messenger did not .
Rosetta itself gained more speed than expected from its 2005 fly-by , but only the expected amount from its 2007 fly-by .
Several theories have been advanced , from mundane atmospheric drag to exotic variations on special relativity , but none are so far adequate to explain both the unexpected velocity increases and the lack of them in different instances .
Armed with tracking hardware and software capable of measuring Rosetta 's velocity within a few millimeters per second while it flies past at 45,000 km/hr , ESA will be gathering data which it hopes will help unravel the mystery .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DynaSoar writes "On Friday November 13th, ESA'a Rosetta probe will get its third and final gravity assist slingshot from Earth on its way to its primary targets, the asteroid Lutetia and Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko.
But the slingshot itself will allow ESA scientists to examine the trajectory for unusual changes seen in several other probes' velocities.
An unaccountable variation was first noticed as excess speed in Pioneers 11 and 12, and has since been called the Pioneer Anomaly.
More troubling than mere speed increase is the inconsistency of the effect.
While Galileo and NEAR had appreciable speed increases, Cassini and Messenger did not.
Rosetta itself gained more speed than expected from its 2005 fly-by, but only the expected amount from its 2007 fly-by.
Several theories have been advanced, from mundane atmospheric drag to exotic variations on special relativity, but none are so far adequate to explain both the unexpected velocity increases and the lack of them in different instances.
Armed with tracking hardware and software capable of measuring Rosetta's velocity within a few millimeters per second while it flies past at 45,000 km/hr, ESA will be gathering data which it hopes will help unravel the mystery.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30088440</id>
	<title>Re:Is it Dust?</title>
	<author>maxwell demon</author>
	<datestamp>1258136100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That might explain the Pioneer slowdown, but I don't think it could explain the energy <em>gain</em> on fly-by.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That might explain the Pioneer slowdown , but I do n't think it could explain the energy gain on fly-by .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That might explain the Pioneer slowdown, but I don't think it could explain the energy gain on fly-by.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30092320</id>
	<title>Re:Not the Pioneer Anomaly</title>
	<author>grshutt</author>
	<datestamp>1258109520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
The European Space Agency's ESA Portal has a short article on the unexplained variations in orbital energy experienced by these spacecraft.
</p><p>
See <a href="http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Operations/SEMUCV3VU1G\_0.html" title="esa.int" rel="nofollow">http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Operations/SEMUCV3VU1G\_0.html</a> [esa.int]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The European Space Agency 's ESA Portal has a short article on the unexplained variations in orbital energy experienced by these spacecraft .
See http : //www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Operations/SEMUCV3VU1G \ _0.html [ esa.int ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
The European Space Agency's ESA Portal has a short article on the unexplained variations in orbital energy experienced by these spacecraft.
See http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Operations/SEMUCV3VU1G\_0.html [esa.int]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30088252</id>
	<title>a blast from the past</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258134960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>GNAA BEGINS SALE OF DECAPITATION INSURANCE<br>Zeikfried - Reuters, Saudi Arabia</p><p>The brutal slayings of Paul Johnson, the young Jew Nick Berg, and local Starcraft champion Kim Sun-il, only serve to exemplify that while so-called moderates preach Islam as a religion of peace, normal god-fearing citizens are not blind to the brutal truth, Islam wants to lop off your shit liberally.<br>"But these poor bastards were working abroad!" you cry, your several chins flailing wildly as a mixture of spittle and congealed fat sprays from your blackened lips like a gaijin Tubgirl. But you couldn't be more wrong, Gay Nigger studies indicate the muslims are, in fact, stealing your land, woman, and anal virginity before your very eyes. The situation is indeed dire, as indicated by a recent #GNAA straw poll showing that your average Joe Negro is a mere 58 metres away from a filthy sand nigger, ready willing and able to decapitate you and encode your fate into a shitty<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.wmv<br>How may we counter this? How can we protect our terrified brothers, sisters, and lovers from this reprehensible neck decimating towelhead menace? The answer is simple you wretched cretins, as of the 19th of June, award winning self-help group the Gay Nigger Association of America begins the sale of Decapitation Insurance to all American, Korean, and British citizens and expatriates not willing to contribute to Wil Wheatons latest marathon masturbation session.<br>But rather than provide this service to the select few, the GNAA understands that your menial jobs are now being performed for one tenth of the cost by an equally skilled Indian, so we have provided a range of contracts scaled to suit your needs.</p><p>
    * For just $50 per month: Captured by Islamists? About to utterly fail it at life? Worry no more, for with our GNAA patented tracking device (inserted anally - replaced once a fortnight) you can call for assistance with a stealthy squeeze of the buttocks. In the unlikely event that this takes longer than anticipated our probe is programmed to gently stimulate your prostate to prevent unnecessary panic.</p><p>
    * For just $75 per month: Sadly our response teams are often distracted by widespread sodomy and the dulcet tones of Emerson Lake and Palmer, and as a result may not be able to save you from the junktouch of death. But fear not, for an extra 25 dollars a month we will throw in a made-to-measure GNAA sponsored cast-iron neckbrace, proven to stop a round from a Kalashnikov at 20 paces. Also, feel free to laugh majestically as their cries of "ALLAHU AKBAR!" are drowned out by the in-built speaker system, designed to pump out 140 decibels of "I am a Viking" by renowned pie-huffing Swedish guitar rapist Yngwie J Malmsteen.</p><p>
    * For Just $100 per month: Round-the-clock protection for you and your friends and family can be yours. Your potential executioners will quake in fear of our GNAA dogs of war, fresh from their victories over 4chan, efnet #politics, and gaiaonline, as they shield your prone jugular with their very lives and dongs. The service is second to none, and each contract is hand signed by GNAA president Timecop himself. The first 500 will also recieve a free jar of holy nigger seed, eagerly provided by GNAA GAMES chairman Zeikfried Tuvai.</p><p>But don't just take our word for it, GNAA sponsored clairvoyant Madame Jank DuTouche has contacted Paul Johnsons head from beyond the ethereal veil of death to bring you this recommendation:<br>"The moons axis over Jupiter brings it into allignment with the constellation Orion and the Planet Anus. After inhaling several ounces of crack, I followed this up with my tarot reading of 'The Jester', 'Death', 'Captain B Dick', '4 swords' and a 'double headed anal dildo'. This told me but one thing, Paul Johnson endorses the Gay Nigger Association of Americas drive for a gay and Decapitation free universe."<br>Not to be outdone, Kim Sun-il's head released the following statement:<br>"kekeke"</p><p>So wh</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GNAA BEGINS SALE OF DECAPITATION INSURANCEZeikfried - Reuters , Saudi ArabiaThe brutal slayings of Paul Johnson , the young Jew Nick Berg , and local Starcraft champion Kim Sun-il , only serve to exemplify that while so-called moderates preach Islam as a religion of peace , normal god-fearing citizens are not blind to the brutal truth , Islam wants to lop off your shit liberally .
" But these poor bastards were working abroad !
" you cry , your several chins flailing wildly as a mixture of spittle and congealed fat sprays from your blackened lips like a gaijin Tubgirl .
But you could n't be more wrong , Gay Nigger studies indicate the muslims are , in fact , stealing your land , woman , and anal virginity before your very eyes .
The situation is indeed dire , as indicated by a recent # GNAA straw poll showing that your average Joe Negro is a mere 58 metres away from a filthy sand nigger , ready willing and able to decapitate you and encode your fate into a shitty .wmvHow may we counter this ?
How can we protect our terrified brothers , sisters , and lovers from this reprehensible neck decimating towelhead menace ?
The answer is simple you wretched cretins , as of the 19th of June , award winning self-help group the Gay Nigger Association of America begins the sale of Decapitation Insurance to all American , Korean , and British citizens and expatriates not willing to contribute to Wil Wheatons latest marathon masturbation session.But rather than provide this service to the select few , the GNAA understands that your menial jobs are now being performed for one tenth of the cost by an equally skilled Indian , so we have provided a range of contracts scaled to suit your needs .
* For just $ 50 per month : Captured by Islamists ?
About to utterly fail it at life ?
Worry no more , for with our GNAA patented tracking device ( inserted anally - replaced once a fortnight ) you can call for assistance with a stealthy squeeze of the buttocks .
In the unlikely event that this takes longer than anticipated our probe is programmed to gently stimulate your prostate to prevent unnecessary panic .
* For just $ 75 per month : Sadly our response teams are often distracted by widespread sodomy and the dulcet tones of Emerson Lake and Palmer , and as a result may not be able to save you from the junktouch of death .
But fear not , for an extra 25 dollars a month we will throw in a made-to-measure GNAA sponsored cast-iron neckbrace , proven to stop a round from a Kalashnikov at 20 paces .
Also , feel free to laugh majestically as their cries of " ALLAHU AKBAR !
" are drowned out by the in-built speaker system , designed to pump out 140 decibels of " I am a Viking " by renowned pie-huffing Swedish guitar rapist Yngwie J Malmsteen .
* For Just $ 100 per month : Round-the-clock protection for you and your friends and family can be yours .
Your potential executioners will quake in fear of our GNAA dogs of war , fresh from their victories over 4chan , efnet # politics , and gaiaonline , as they shield your prone jugular with their very lives and dongs .
The service is second to none , and each contract is hand signed by GNAA president Timecop himself .
The first 500 will also recieve a free jar of holy nigger seed , eagerly provided by GNAA GAMES chairman Zeikfried Tuvai.But do n't just take our word for it , GNAA sponsored clairvoyant Madame Jank DuTouche has contacted Paul Johnsons head from beyond the ethereal veil of death to bring you this recommendation : " The moons axis over Jupiter brings it into allignment with the constellation Orion and the Planet Anus .
After inhaling several ounces of crack , I followed this up with my tarot reading of 'The Jester ' , 'Death ' , 'Captain B Dick ' , '4 swords ' and a 'double headed anal dildo' .
This told me but one thing , Paul Johnson endorses the Gay Nigger Association of Americas drive for a gay and Decapitation free universe .
" Not to be outdone , Kim Sun-il 's head released the following statement : " kekeke " So wh</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GNAA BEGINS SALE OF DECAPITATION INSURANCEZeikfried - Reuters, Saudi ArabiaThe brutal slayings of Paul Johnson, the young Jew Nick Berg, and local Starcraft champion Kim Sun-il, only serve to exemplify that while so-called moderates preach Islam as a religion of peace, normal god-fearing citizens are not blind to the brutal truth, Islam wants to lop off your shit liberally.
"But these poor bastards were working abroad!
" you cry, your several chins flailing wildly as a mixture of spittle and congealed fat sprays from your blackened lips like a gaijin Tubgirl.
But you couldn't be more wrong, Gay Nigger studies indicate the muslims are, in fact, stealing your land, woman, and anal virginity before your very eyes.
The situation is indeed dire, as indicated by a recent #GNAA straw poll showing that your average Joe Negro is a mere 58 metres away from a filthy sand nigger, ready willing and able to decapitate you and encode your fate into a shitty .wmvHow may we counter this?
How can we protect our terrified brothers, sisters, and lovers from this reprehensible neck decimating towelhead menace?
The answer is simple you wretched cretins, as of the 19th of June, award winning self-help group the Gay Nigger Association of America begins the sale of Decapitation Insurance to all American, Korean, and British citizens and expatriates not willing to contribute to Wil Wheatons latest marathon masturbation session.But rather than provide this service to the select few, the GNAA understands that your menial jobs are now being performed for one tenth of the cost by an equally skilled Indian, so we have provided a range of contracts scaled to suit your needs.
* For just $50 per month: Captured by Islamists?
About to utterly fail it at life?
Worry no more, for with our GNAA patented tracking device (inserted anally - replaced once a fortnight) you can call for assistance with a stealthy squeeze of the buttocks.
In the unlikely event that this takes longer than anticipated our probe is programmed to gently stimulate your prostate to prevent unnecessary panic.
* For just $75 per month: Sadly our response teams are often distracted by widespread sodomy and the dulcet tones of Emerson Lake and Palmer, and as a result may not be able to save you from the junktouch of death.
But fear not, for an extra 25 dollars a month we will throw in a made-to-measure GNAA sponsored cast-iron neckbrace, proven to stop a round from a Kalashnikov at 20 paces.
Also, feel free to laugh majestically as their cries of "ALLAHU AKBAR!
" are drowned out by the in-built speaker system, designed to pump out 140 decibels of "I am a Viking" by renowned pie-huffing Swedish guitar rapist Yngwie J Malmsteen.
* For Just $100 per month: Round-the-clock protection for you and your friends and family can be yours.
Your potential executioners will quake in fear of our GNAA dogs of war, fresh from their victories over 4chan, efnet #politics, and gaiaonline, as they shield your prone jugular with their very lives and dongs.
The service is second to none, and each contract is hand signed by GNAA president Timecop himself.
The first 500 will also recieve a free jar of holy nigger seed, eagerly provided by GNAA GAMES chairman Zeikfried Tuvai.But don't just take our word for it, GNAA sponsored clairvoyant Madame Jank DuTouche has contacted Paul Johnsons head from beyond the ethereal veil of death to bring you this recommendation:"The moons axis over Jupiter brings it into allignment with the constellation Orion and the Planet Anus.
After inhaling several ounces of crack, I followed this up with my tarot reading of 'The Jester', 'Death', 'Captain B Dick', '4 swords' and a 'double headed anal dildo'.
This told me but one thing, Paul Johnson endorses the Gay Nigger Association of Americas drive for a gay and Decapitation free universe.
"Not to be outdone, Kim Sun-il's head released the following statement:"kekeke"So wh</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30091492</id>
	<title>Re:Just so nobody fucks up the units from the star</title>
	<author>PPH</author>
	<datestamp>1258105080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Could we all please stick to the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FFF\_system" title="wikipedia.org">FFF</a> [wikipedia.org] system of units?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Could we all please stick to the FFF [ wikipedia.org ] system of units ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Could we all please stick to the FFF [wikipedia.org] system of units?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30088220</id>
	<title>That's Pioneer 10 and 11</title>
	<author>Cliff Stoll</author>
	<datestamp>1258134780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pioneer 10 and 11, of course (not 11 and 12)</p><p>The Pioneer 10 &amp; 11 spacecraft both flew by Jupiter, and Pioneer 11 went on to Saturn encounter.</p><p>I remember it well - while a grad student at the Lunar &amp; Plantetary Labs, I helped with the Imaging Photopolarimeter during Saturn Encounter.</p><p>The spacecraft, designed in the early 1970's, had essentially no onboard memory, so instructions had to be uploaded in real time.  The several hour-long communications delay made for real excitement at encounter (Did the spacecraft survive the ring crossing? Did the instruction arrive? Did the sensor point in the correct direction?  Is it returning images?)</p><p>We'd spent months in advance, preparing alternative sequences for the encounter.  Each sequence was on punched papertape.  Then, at encounter in September 1979, we'd pick the tape, mount it on a teletype, and send the data out over the NASA deep space network, then anxiously wait to see if the instructions worked on Pioneer 11.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pioneer 10 and 11 , of course ( not 11 and 12 ) The Pioneer 10 &amp; 11 spacecraft both flew by Jupiter , and Pioneer 11 went on to Saturn encounter.I remember it well - while a grad student at the Lunar &amp; Plantetary Labs , I helped with the Imaging Photopolarimeter during Saturn Encounter.The spacecraft , designed in the early 1970 's , had essentially no onboard memory , so instructions had to be uploaded in real time .
The several hour-long communications delay made for real excitement at encounter ( Did the spacecraft survive the ring crossing ?
Did the instruction arrive ?
Did the sensor point in the correct direction ?
Is it returning images ?
) We 'd spent months in advance , preparing alternative sequences for the encounter .
Each sequence was on punched papertape .
Then , at encounter in September 1979 , we 'd pick the tape , mount it on a teletype , and send the data out over the NASA deep space network , then anxiously wait to see if the instructions worked on Pioneer 11 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pioneer 10 and 11, of course (not 11 and 12)The Pioneer 10 &amp; 11 spacecraft both flew by Jupiter, and Pioneer 11 went on to Saturn encounter.I remember it well - while a grad student at the Lunar &amp; Plantetary Labs, I helped with the Imaging Photopolarimeter during Saturn Encounter.The spacecraft, designed in the early 1970's, had essentially no onboard memory, so instructions had to be uploaded in real time.
The several hour-long communications delay made for real excitement at encounter (Did the spacecraft survive the ring crossing?
Did the instruction arrive?
Did the sensor point in the correct direction?
Is it returning images?
)We'd spent months in advance, preparing alternative sequences for the encounter.
Each sequence was on punched papertape.
Then, at encounter in September 1979, we'd pick the tape, mount it on a teletype, and send the data out over the NASA deep space network, then anxiously wait to see if the instructions worked on Pioneer 11.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30089012</id>
	<title>Re:Center of earth...</title>
	<author>tgd</author>
	<datestamp>1258138320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If YANAGNC, what makes you think that option is most likely?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If YANAGNC , what makes you think that option is most likely ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If YANAGNC, what makes you think that option is most likely?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30089956</id>
	<title>My favorite theory</title>
	<author>Omnifarious</author>
	<datestamp>1258141800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Symmetry breaking.  Space has a preferred direction.  I have no basis for believing this, I just think it would result in the most amusing tizzy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Symmetry breaking .
Space has a preferred direction .
I have no basis for believing this , I just think it would result in the most amusing tizzy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Symmetry breaking.
Space has a preferred direction.
I have no basis for believing this, I just think it would result in the most amusing tizzy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30090306</id>
	<title>It's X Simple</title>
	<author>jdevivre</author>
	<datestamp>1258143120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I blame Magneto.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I blame Magneto .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I blame Magneto.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30095760</id>
	<title>Re:Not the Pioneer Anomaly</title>
	<author>physburn</author>
	<datestamp>1258232280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>He's right. The Pioneer anomaly is a slight acceleration towards
the sun that seemed to start outside the orbit of jupiter and
has a constant magnitude. (Unlike gravity where the acceleration
is inversal proportional to distance square.
<p>
The thing the Rosette probe might measure, is called the
Flyby anomaly, which is occurs when a spacecraft flys
close to a planet, the acceleration on the craft seems
subtly different to what is predicted by gravity (Newton or
Einsteins).
</p><p>
Both effects occur in our solar system and seem to
show either theres something wrong with our theory
of gravity or these some extra force at work in nature.
But has yet we haven't got enough data to be sure
or to correct categories either effect.
</p><p>
---
</p><p>
<a href="http://www.feeddistiller.com/blogs/Relativity/feed.html" title="feeddistiller.com">Relavity</a> [feeddistiller.com] Feed @ <a href="http://www.feeddistiller.com/" title="feeddistiller.com">Feed Distiller</a> [feeddistiller.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He 's right .
The Pioneer anomaly is a slight acceleration towards the sun that seemed to start outside the orbit of jupiter and has a constant magnitude .
( Unlike gravity where the acceleration is inversal proportional to distance square .
The thing the Rosette probe might measure , is called the Flyby anomaly , which is occurs when a spacecraft flys close to a planet , the acceleration on the craft seems subtly different to what is predicted by gravity ( Newton or Einsteins ) .
Both effects occur in our solar system and seem to show either theres something wrong with our theory of gravity or these some extra force at work in nature .
But has yet we have n't got enough data to be sure or to correct categories either effect .
--- Relavity [ feeddistiller.com ] Feed @ Feed Distiller [ feeddistiller.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He's right.
The Pioneer anomaly is a slight acceleration towards
the sun that seemed to start outside the orbit of jupiter and
has a constant magnitude.
(Unlike gravity where the acceleration
is inversal proportional to distance square.
The thing the Rosette probe might measure, is called the
Flyby anomaly, which is occurs when a spacecraft flys
close to a planet, the acceleration on the craft seems
subtly different to what is predicted by gravity (Newton or
Einsteins).
Both effects occur in our solar system and seem to
show either theres something wrong with our theory
of gravity or these some extra force at work in nature.
But has yet we haven't got enough data to be sure
or to correct categories either effect.
---

Relavity [feeddistiller.com] Feed @ Feed Distiller [feeddistiller.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30094796</id>
	<title>Re:Is it Dust?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258130400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perhaps there's a slingshot effect?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps there 's a slingshot effect ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps there's a slingshot effect?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30091342</id>
	<title>Re:Metric only</title>
	<author>cababunga</author>
	<datestamp>1258104420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Right. From now on seconds, kilo seconds, and mega seconds only please.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Right .
From now on seconds , kilo seconds , and mega seconds only please .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right.
From now on seconds, kilo seconds, and mega seconds only please.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30104862</id>
	<title>Summary is wrong</title>
	<author>mbone</author>
	<datestamp>1258279500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They are not trying to test Pioneer anomaly, but the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flyby\_anomaly" title="wikipedia.org">flyby anomaly</a> [wikipedia.org]. These are totally separate things, and either could be real or due to systematic errors without affecting the other. This paper by <a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/0907.2469" title="arxiv.org">Anderson and Nieto</a> [arxiv.org] describes both anomalies.</p><p>The <a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/0907.4184" title="arxiv.org">flyby anomaly</a> [arxiv.org] is an step-function like change in spacecraft velocity that occurs at the moment of closest approach of a Earth gravity assist. (There is not sufficient tracking data to say whether or not it occurs for gravity assists at other planets. There are enough VHF relays around Mars that it might be possible to test this for Mars, if some future mission to Venus or the asteroids wants  to carry along a Mars VHF transponder.)</p><p>While the Pioneer anomaly has long seemed dubious to me (the required acceleration is small compared to the potential acceleration of the spacecraft from waste heat, and of course has only been seen in one model of spacecraft), the flyby anomaly is more robust, and is seen in many spacecraft flybys. On the other hand, the anomaly is not obviously related to the physics of the situation. Anderson has developed a phenomenological model for the size of the anomaly, but makes no attempt to derive this from first principles. Another thing arguing against the reality of this effect is that it is large enough to be seen as a perturbation in the orbit of in highly elliptical Earth orbiters, and it has never been reported there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They are not trying to test Pioneer anomaly , but the flyby anomaly [ wikipedia.org ] .
These are totally separate things , and either could be real or due to systematic errors without affecting the other .
This paper by Anderson and Nieto [ arxiv.org ] describes both anomalies.The flyby anomaly [ arxiv.org ] is an step-function like change in spacecraft velocity that occurs at the moment of closest approach of a Earth gravity assist .
( There is not sufficient tracking data to say whether or not it occurs for gravity assists at other planets .
There are enough VHF relays around Mars that it might be possible to test this for Mars , if some future mission to Venus or the asteroids wants to carry along a Mars VHF transponder .
) While the Pioneer anomaly has long seemed dubious to me ( the required acceleration is small compared to the potential acceleration of the spacecraft from waste heat , and of course has only been seen in one model of spacecraft ) , the flyby anomaly is more robust , and is seen in many spacecraft flybys .
On the other hand , the anomaly is not obviously related to the physics of the situation .
Anderson has developed a phenomenological model for the size of the anomaly , but makes no attempt to derive this from first principles .
Another thing arguing against the reality of this effect is that it is large enough to be seen as a perturbation in the orbit of in highly elliptical Earth orbiters , and it has never been reported there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are not trying to test Pioneer anomaly, but the flyby anomaly [wikipedia.org].
These are totally separate things, and either could be real or due to systematic errors without affecting the other.
This paper by Anderson and Nieto [arxiv.org] describes both anomalies.The flyby anomaly [arxiv.org] is an step-function like change in spacecraft velocity that occurs at the moment of closest approach of a Earth gravity assist.
(There is not sufficient tracking data to say whether or not it occurs for gravity assists at other planets.
There are enough VHF relays around Mars that it might be possible to test this for Mars, if some future mission to Venus or the asteroids wants  to carry along a Mars VHF transponder.
)While the Pioneer anomaly has long seemed dubious to me (the required acceleration is small compared to the potential acceleration of the spacecraft from waste heat, and of course has only been seen in one model of spacecraft), the flyby anomaly is more robust, and is seen in many spacecraft flybys.
On the other hand, the anomaly is not obviously related to the physics of the situation.
Anderson has developed a phenomenological model for the size of the anomaly, but makes no attempt to derive this from first principles.
Another thing arguing against the reality of this effect is that it is large enough to be seen as a perturbation in the orbit of in highly elliptical Earth orbiters, and it has never been reported there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30104890</id>
	<title>Re:That's Pioneer 10 and 11</title>
	<author>mbone</author>
	<datestamp>1258279800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The spacecraft, designed in the early 1970's, had essentially no onboard memory</i>.</p><p>In the Deep Space Network, where I worked at the time, that was regarded as a perverse feature, not a bug. Those spacecraft <b>had</b> to get tracking time, or the data would be lost forever. That was not regarded as playing nice in the intense juggling of tracking resources that goes on all of the time in the DSN.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The spacecraft , designed in the early 1970 's , had essentially no onboard memory.In the Deep Space Network , where I worked at the time , that was regarded as a perverse feature , not a bug .
Those spacecraft had to get tracking time , or the data would be lost forever .
That was not regarded as playing nice in the intense juggling of tracking resources that goes on all of the time in the DSN .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The spacecraft, designed in the early 1970's, had essentially no onboard memory.In the Deep Space Network, where I worked at the time, that was regarded as a perverse feature, not a bug.
Those spacecraft had to get tracking time, or the data would be lost forever.
That was not regarded as playing nice in the intense juggling of tracking resources that goes on all of the time in the DSN.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30092350</id>
	<title>Re:Is it Dust?</title>
	<author>pixelpusher220</author>
	<datestamp>1258109640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>if the gas was massive enough and in the right position, sure it could cause energy gain, no?</htmltext>
<tokenext>if the gas was massive enough and in the right position , sure it could cause energy gain , no ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if the gas was massive enough and in the right position, sure it could cause energy gain, no?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30092118</id>
	<title>Two possibilites:</title>
	<author>drainbramage</author>
	<datestamp>1258108440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1: Global Warming<br>2: The Bush Presidency<br>----------------------<br>The variation could be due to an interaction between the two.<br>The interaction is approximately equal to:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; (New York) Times (M.Moore/(Gore to the power of Soros))</p><p>But then, I'm no rocket surgeon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 : Global Warming2 : The Bush Presidency----------------------The variation could be due to an interaction between the two.The interaction is approximately equal to :       ( New York ) Times ( M.Moore/ ( Gore to the power of Soros ) ) But then , I 'm no rocket surgeon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1: Global Warming2: The Bush Presidency----------------------The variation could be due to an interaction between the two.The interaction is approximately equal to:
      (New York) Times (M.Moore/(Gore to the power of Soros))But then, I'm no rocket surgeon.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30088304</id>
	<title>First contact?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258135200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds like a tractor beam from a hidden observer</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like a tractor beam from a hidden observer</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like a tractor beam from a hidden observer</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30088386</id>
	<title>Is it Dust?</title>
	<author>Orne</author>
	<datestamp>1258135680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We all asume "space" to be empty, but what if there are pockets of extremely low density gas (low energy plasma?) or dust rotating around the sun at certain spots of the solar system... so sparse that we don't immediately see them with our telescopes, but as the devices flew through the gas, it acted to slow down the craft?</p><p>You would only hit it on certain trajectories out, like a cloud to an airplane, sometimes it's just not in your path...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We all asume " space " to be empty , but what if there are pockets of extremely low density gas ( low energy plasma ?
) or dust rotating around the sun at certain spots of the solar system... so sparse that we do n't immediately see them with our telescopes , but as the devices flew through the gas , it acted to slow down the craft ? You would only hit it on certain trajectories out , like a cloud to an airplane , sometimes it 's just not in your path.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We all asume "space" to be empty, but what if there are pockets of extremely low density gas (low energy plasma?
) or dust rotating around the sun at certain spots of the solar system... so sparse that we don't immediately see them with our telescopes, but as the devices flew through the gas, it acted to slow down the craft?You would only hit it on certain trajectories out, like a cloud to an airplane, sometimes it's just not in your path...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30088264</id>
	<title>Not a slingshot</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258135020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Using gravity to alter direction is the effect of a sling, not a slingshot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Using gravity to alter direction is the effect of a sling , not a slingshot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Using gravity to alter direction is the effect of a sling, not a slingshot.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30088652</id>
	<title>Re:Not the Pioneer Anomaly</title>
	<author>DynaSoar</author>
	<datestamp>1258136880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This effect is a flyby effect and is different from the Pioneer Anomaly, as the article itself pretty clearly notes.</p></div><p>The situations in which they are measured differ. This is what TFA states. But it is by no means certain that the cause differs, and TFA makes no claims one way or the other. John Anderson of JPL and colleagues published in 1998 and 2002 examinations of the Pioneers, Ulysses and Galileo trajectories and hypothesized a single phenomenon, a time dilation effect due to gravity. The fly by effects may be more pronounced due to greater frame dragging than trajectories more or less straight to the heliopause, but the velocity changes when noted are of the same magnitude. Mbelek's recent paper looks at fly by data to determine whether special relativity may account for the anomalies in fly bys, but does not exclude applying the same to non-fly by situations. If the math proves valid, and sufficient data is obtained, then it may be able to be determined whether the two discrepencies have a single cause. The data collection on Rosetta is being done in part to try to determine whether or not they are the same. If there weren't at least hypothesized 'same or different' consideration, there'd be no mention of Pioneers.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This effect is a flyby effect and is different from the Pioneer Anomaly , as the article itself pretty clearly notes.The situations in which they are measured differ .
This is what TFA states .
But it is by no means certain that the cause differs , and TFA makes no claims one way or the other .
John Anderson of JPL and colleagues published in 1998 and 2002 examinations of the Pioneers , Ulysses and Galileo trajectories and hypothesized a single phenomenon , a time dilation effect due to gravity .
The fly by effects may be more pronounced due to greater frame dragging than trajectories more or less straight to the heliopause , but the velocity changes when noted are of the same magnitude .
Mbelek 's recent paper looks at fly by data to determine whether special relativity may account for the anomalies in fly bys , but does not exclude applying the same to non-fly by situations .
If the math proves valid , and sufficient data is obtained , then it may be able to be determined whether the two discrepencies have a single cause .
The data collection on Rosetta is being done in part to try to determine whether or not they are the same .
If there were n't at least hypothesized 'same or different ' consideration , there 'd be no mention of Pioneers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This effect is a flyby effect and is different from the Pioneer Anomaly, as the article itself pretty clearly notes.The situations in which they are measured differ.
This is what TFA states.
But it is by no means certain that the cause differs, and TFA makes no claims one way or the other.
John Anderson of JPL and colleagues published in 1998 and 2002 examinations of the Pioneers, Ulysses and Galileo trajectories and hypothesized a single phenomenon, a time dilation effect due to gravity.
The fly by effects may be more pronounced due to greater frame dragging than trajectories more or less straight to the heliopause, but the velocity changes when noted are of the same magnitude.
Mbelek's recent paper looks at fly by data to determine whether special relativity may account for the anomalies in fly bys, but does not exclude applying the same to non-fly by situations.
If the math proves valid, and sufficient data is obtained, then it may be able to be determined whether the two discrepencies have a single cause.
The data collection on Rosetta is being done in part to try to determine whether or not they are the same.
If there weren't at least hypothesized 'same or different' consideration, there'd be no mention of Pioneers.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30088108</id>
	<title>First post !</title>
	<author>rrconan</author>
	<datestamp>1258134180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>At least !</htmltext>
<tokenext>At least !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least !</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30088458</id>
	<title>Re:That's Pioneer 10 and 11</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258136220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My father worked on some long distance space probes in the 1970s, as well. The excitement you're talking about is very real.</p><p>One day during the summer, when I was maybe 12 or 13, he came home from work early. It turns out the probe he was working with at the time was crossing the asteroid field or positioning itself to take some pictures or something, and well, he got very excited. So excited that he shit his pants while in mission control.</p><p>So he came home, had to change, and went back to work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My father worked on some long distance space probes in the 1970s , as well .
The excitement you 're talking about is very real.One day during the summer , when I was maybe 12 or 13 , he came home from work early .
It turns out the probe he was working with at the time was crossing the asteroid field or positioning itself to take some pictures or something , and well , he got very excited .
So excited that he shit his pants while in mission control.So he came home , had to change , and went back to work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My father worked on some long distance space probes in the 1970s, as well.
The excitement you're talking about is very real.One day during the summer, when I was maybe 12 or 13, he came home from work early.
It turns out the probe he was working with at the time was crossing the asteroid field or positioning itself to take some pictures or something, and well, he got very excited.
So excited that he shit his pants while in mission control.So he came home, had to change, and went back to work.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30088642</id>
	<title>Re:Metric only</title>
	<author>cyn1c77</author>
	<datestamp>1258136880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Could you please tell me what that is in metric time?  These crazy 60 second minutes and 60 minute hours are too confusing.  It might have been ok for the Summarians, but it's time to use a modern unit divisible by 10.</p></div><p>12.5 mm per microsecond.</p><p>Thanks for playing.   </p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Could you please tell me what that is in metric time ?
These crazy 60 second minutes and 60 minute hours are too confusing .
It might have been ok for the Summarians , but it 's time to use a modern unit divisible by 10.12.5 mm per microsecond.Thanks for playing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Could you please tell me what that is in metric time?
These crazy 60 second minutes and 60 minute hours are too confusing.
It might have been ok for the Summarians, but it's time to use a modern unit divisible by 10.12.5 mm per microsecond.Thanks for playing.   
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30088778</id>
	<title>Mixed Newtonian an relativitic models</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258137420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I read a paper from 2007 stating that the anomaly is a fluke by NASA forgetting some special relativity corrections when transforming from frames of references...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I read a paper from 2007 stating that the anomaly is a fluke by NASA forgetting some special relativity corrections when transforming from frames of references.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I read a paper from 2007 stating that the anomaly is a fluke by NASA forgetting some special relativity corrections when transforming from frames of references...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30088484</id>
	<title>Center of earth...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258136280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most likely due to the center of earth wobbling a bit that makes things in a slingshot have increased velocity... AFAIK the earth center would be slushing around a bit and due to rotational inertia most likely have some wobbling... if that wobbling coincides with the slingshot frequency it will have a positive effect if it is in-tune with it.</p><p>But then again IANAGNC (I am not a geoligist nor cosmolog)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most likely due to the center of earth wobbling a bit that makes things in a slingshot have increased velocity... AFAIK the earth center would be slushing around a bit and due to rotational inertia most likely have some wobbling... if that wobbling coincides with the slingshot frequency it will have a positive effect if it is in-tune with it.But then again IANAGNC ( I am not a geoligist nor cosmolog )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most likely due to the center of earth wobbling a bit that makes things in a slingshot have increased velocity... AFAIK the earth center would be slushing around a bit and due to rotational inertia most likely have some wobbling... if that wobbling coincides with the slingshot frequency it will have a positive effect if it is in-tune with it.But then again IANAGNC (I am not a geoligist nor cosmolog)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30092206</id>
	<title>Re:Center of earth...</title>
	<author>thejynxed</author>
	<datestamp>1258108980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Stranger things have happened. This is physics and space stuff we're talking about here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Stranger things have happened .
This is physics and space stuff we 're talking about here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stranger things have happened.
This is physics and space stuff we're talking about here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30088262</id>
	<title>Uh oh,</title>
	<author>Iburnaga</author>
	<datestamp>1258135020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Here come the tinfoil hats. If they're right for once I'll buy them all new tinfoil!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here come the tinfoil hats .
If they 're right for once I 'll buy them all new tinfoil !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here come the tinfoil hats.
If they're right for once I'll buy them all new tinfoil!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30089032</id>
	<title>Re:Just so nobody fucks up the units from the star</title>
	<author>MozeeToby</author>
	<datestamp>1258138380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think you mean 3.74698572 &#215; 10^12 Planck Lengths per Planck Time.  It's high time we abandonded this archaic 'metric' system for one that more accurately expresses the universe.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you mean 3.74698572   10 ^ 12 Planck Lengths per Planck Time .
It 's high time we abandonded this archaic 'metric ' system for one that more accurately expresses the universe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you mean 3.74698572 × 10^12 Planck Lengths per Planck Time.
It's high time we abandonded this archaic 'metric' system for one that more accurately expresses the universe.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30088456</id>
	<title>Re:Not the Pioneer Anomaly</title>
	<author>BadEvilYoda</author>
	<datestamp>1258136160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Planetary Society has an interesting FAQ on this subject:
<a href="http://www.planetary.org/programs/projects/innovative\_technologies/pioneer\_anomaly/update\_20050720.html" title="planetary.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.planetary.org/programs/projects/innovative\_technologies/pioneer\_anomaly/update\_20050720.html</a> [planetary.org] </p><p>Also explains why it is seen with Pioneer 10 and 11 and not Voyager 1 or 2 or other more "modern" spacecraft.</p><p>

From the FAQ:  <i>The Pioneers are spin-stabilized spacecraft. The Voyagers are three-axis stabilized craft that fire thrusters to maintain their orientation in space or to slew around and point their instruments. Those thruster firings would introduce uncertainties in the tracking data that would overwhelm any effect as small as that occurring with Pioneer.

This difference in the way the spacecraft are stabilized actually is one of the reasons the Pioneer data are so important and unique. Most current spacecraft are three-axis stabilized, not spin stabilized.</i></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Planetary Society has an interesting FAQ on this subject : http : //www.planetary.org/programs/projects/innovative \ _technologies/pioneer \ _anomaly/update \ _20050720.html [ planetary.org ] Also explains why it is seen with Pioneer 10 and 11 and not Voyager 1 or 2 or other more " modern " spacecraft .
From the FAQ : The Pioneers are spin-stabilized spacecraft .
The Voyagers are three-axis stabilized craft that fire thrusters to maintain their orientation in space or to slew around and point their instruments .
Those thruster firings would introduce uncertainties in the tracking data that would overwhelm any effect as small as that occurring with Pioneer .
This difference in the way the spacecraft are stabilized actually is one of the reasons the Pioneer data are so important and unique .
Most current spacecraft are three-axis stabilized , not spin stabilized .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Planetary Society has an interesting FAQ on this subject:
http://www.planetary.org/programs/projects/innovative\_technologies/pioneer\_anomaly/update\_20050720.html [planetary.org] Also explains why it is seen with Pioneer 10 and 11 and not Voyager 1 or 2 or other more "modern" spacecraft.
From the FAQ:  The Pioneers are spin-stabilized spacecraft.
The Voyagers are three-axis stabilized craft that fire thrusters to maintain their orientation in space or to slew around and point their instruments.
Those thruster firings would introduce uncertainties in the tracking data that would overwhelm any effect as small as that occurring with Pioneer.
This difference in the way the spacecraft are stabilized actually is one of the reasons the Pioneer data are so important and unique.
Most current spacecraft are three-axis stabilized, not spin stabilized.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30088708</id>
	<title>Re:That's Pioneer 10 and 11</title>
	<author>Knara</author>
	<datestamp>1258137060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm pretty sure you mean <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V'ger" title="wikipedia.org">Voyager 6</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm pretty sure you mean Voyager 6 [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm pretty sure you mean Voyager 6 [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30088178</id>
	<title>Umm... Canaveral?</title>
	<author>fahrbot-bot</author>
	<datestamp>1258134600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>But the slingshot itself will allow ESA scientists to examine the trajectory for unusual changes seen in several other probes' velocities.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Ya, like what happened to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farscape" title="wikipedia.org">John Crichton</a> [wikipedia.org]...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But the slingshot itself will allow ESA scientists to examine the trajectory for unusual changes seen in several other probes ' velocities .
Ya , like what happened to John Crichton [ wikipedia.org ] .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But the slingshot itself will allow ESA scientists to examine the trajectory for unusual changes seen in several other probes' velocities.
Ya, like what happened to John Crichton [wikipedia.org]...
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30089172</id>
	<title>Re:Center of earth...</title>
	<author>MozeeToby</author>
	<datestamp>1258138980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would think that such an effect would have been discovered in the various 'gravity maps' that have been made of the Earth.  If so, I can't imagine that they forgot to take that into account when trying to solve (or resolve) one of the mysteries of modern physics.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would think that such an effect would have been discovered in the various 'gravity maps ' that have been made of the Earth .
If so , I ca n't imagine that they forgot to take that into account when trying to solve ( or resolve ) one of the mysteries of modern physics .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would think that such an effect would have been discovered in the various 'gravity maps' that have been made of the Earth.
If so, I can't imagine that they forgot to take that into account when trying to solve (or resolve) one of the mysteries of modern physics.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30104896</id>
	<title>Re:Mond 4 life, bitches!</title>
	<author>mbone</author>
	<datestamp>1258279860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>MOND is much too small to explain this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>MOND is much too small to explain this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MOND is much too small to explain this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30090322</id>
	<title>Re:Not the Pioneer Anomaly</title>
	<author>arminw</author>
	<datestamp>1258143120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...This effect is a flyby effect and is different from the Pioneer Anomaly...</p><p>How does anyone know? Everybody assumes (believes) that the spacecraft as a whole are scrupulously electrically neutral. If that is not the case, which is  very likely, then the electrical and magnetic fields in space would certainly affect its motion. An electric field, even a very weak one, affects a charged object 36 orders of magnitude more than gravity. Depending on the polarity of the charge, which can sometimes be negative and sometimes positive, there can be a change of either slowing down or speeding up.</p><p>The particles of the solar wind (electrons) ACCELERATE by the action of an electric field, where as they should slow down slightly if gravity were the only force affecting them. The Pioneer probes may have a slight positive charge, which means they would slow down a little more than we would expect by gravity alone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...This effect is a flyby effect and is different from the Pioneer Anomaly...How does anyone know ?
Everybody assumes ( believes ) that the spacecraft as a whole are scrupulously electrically neutral .
If that is not the case , which is very likely , then the electrical and magnetic fields in space would certainly affect its motion .
An electric field , even a very weak one , affects a charged object 36 orders of magnitude more than gravity .
Depending on the polarity of the charge , which can sometimes be negative and sometimes positive , there can be a change of either slowing down or speeding up.The particles of the solar wind ( electrons ) ACCELERATE by the action of an electric field , where as they should slow down slightly if gravity were the only force affecting them .
The Pioneer probes may have a slight positive charge , which means they would slow down a little more than we would expect by gravity alone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...This effect is a flyby effect and is different from the Pioneer Anomaly...How does anyone know?
Everybody assumes (believes) that the spacecraft as a whole are scrupulously electrically neutral.
If that is not the case, which is  very likely, then the electrical and magnetic fields in space would certainly affect its motion.
An electric field, even a very weak one, affects a charged object 36 orders of magnitude more than gravity.
Depending on the polarity of the charge, which can sometimes be negative and sometimes positive, there can be a change of either slowing down or speeding up.The particles of the solar wind (electrons) ACCELERATE by the action of an electric field, where as they should slow down slightly if gravity were the only force affecting them.
The Pioneer probes may have a slight positive charge, which means they would slow down a little more than we would expect by gravity alone.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30088248</id>
	<title>Metric only</title>
	<author>jbeaupre</author>
	<datestamp>1258134900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Could you please tell me what that is in metric time?  These crazy 60 second minutes and 60 minute hours are too confusing.  It might have been ok for the Summarians, but it's time to use a modern unit divisible by 10.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Could you please tell me what that is in metric time ?
These crazy 60 second minutes and 60 minute hours are too confusing .
It might have been ok for the Summarians , but it 's time to use a modern unit divisible by 10 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Could you please tell me what that is in metric time?
These crazy 60 second minutes and 60 minute hours are too confusing.
It might have been ok for the Summarians, but it's time to use a modern unit divisible by 10.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30093636</id>
	<title>Re:Metric only</title>
	<author>KingOfTheDustBunnies</author>
	<datestamp>1258118520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Absolute Seconds, which start at minus 273 seconds (minus 4 minutes, 33 seconds)</p></div><p>Wait, so the difference between relative zero and absolute zero is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4\_Minutes\_33\_Seconds" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">John Cage</a> [wikipedia.org]?  That's spooky.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Absolute Seconds , which start at minus 273 seconds ( minus 4 minutes , 33 seconds ) Wait , so the difference between relative zero and absolute zero is John Cage [ wikipedia.org ] ?
That 's spooky .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Absolute Seconds, which start at minus 273 seconds (minus 4 minutes, 33 seconds)Wait, so the difference between relative zero and absolute zero is John Cage [wikipedia.org]?
That's spooky.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30091606</id>
	<title>Re:Is it Dust?</title>
	<author>PPH</author>
	<datestamp>1258105740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How do the various crafts velocity anomalies relate to their direction of travel w.r.t the solar system's orbit around the Milky Way center? Or the direction to that center itself?
</p><p>There's already a lot of speculation about why gravity seems to operate differently across the span of galaxies. Perhaps we're seeing this effect here as well.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>You would only hit it on certain trajectories out, like a cloud to an airplane, sometimes it's just not in your path...</p></div><p>I was thinking of geese, but I suppose the cloud/airplane analogy works just as well.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How do the various crafts velocity anomalies relate to their direction of travel w.r.t the solar system 's orbit around the Milky Way center ?
Or the direction to that center itself ?
There 's already a lot of speculation about why gravity seems to operate differently across the span of galaxies .
Perhaps we 're seeing this effect here as well.You would only hit it on certain trajectories out , like a cloud to an airplane , sometimes it 's just not in your path...I was thinking of geese , but I suppose the cloud/airplane analogy works just as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How do the various crafts velocity anomalies relate to their direction of travel w.r.t the solar system's orbit around the Milky Way center?
Or the direction to that center itself?
There's already a lot of speculation about why gravity seems to operate differently across the span of galaxies.
Perhaps we're seeing this effect here as well.You would only hit it on certain trajectories out, like a cloud to an airplane, sometimes it's just not in your path...I was thinking of geese, but I suppose the cloud/airplane analogy works just as well.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30090082</id>
	<title>Planet X</title>
	<author>scorp1us</author>
	<datestamp>1258142280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is all making sense now. Planet X's orbit modified the Pioneer trajectories via gravity assist, and was not in the same orbital position near the other probes when they crossed its orbital path. This completely undeniably confirms the existence of the planet and 2012 hypothesis. In short we're all going to die in 2012.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is all making sense now .
Planet X 's orbit modified the Pioneer trajectories via gravity assist , and was not in the same orbital position near the other probes when they crossed its orbital path .
This completely undeniably confirms the existence of the planet and 2012 hypothesis .
In short we 're all going to die in 2012 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is all making sense now.
Planet X's orbit modified the Pioneer trajectories via gravity assist, and was not in the same orbital position near the other probes when they crossed its orbital path.
This completely undeniably confirms the existence of the planet and 2012 hypothesis.
In short we're all going to die in 2012.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30090214</id>
	<title>Re:That's Pioneer 10 and 11</title>
	<author>batquux</author>
	<datestamp>1258142760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not an anomaly. The universe just sucks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not an anomaly .
The universe just sucks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not an anomaly.
The universe just sucks.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30091486</id>
	<title>Re:That's Pioneer 10 and 11</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258105080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>My father worked on some long distance space probes in the 1970s, as well. The excitement you're talking about is very real.</p><p>One day during the summer, when I was maybe 12 or 13, he came home from work early. It turns out the probe he was working with at the time was crossing the asteroid field or positioning itself to take some pictures or something, and well, he got very excited. So excited that he shit his pants while in mission control.</p><p>So he came home, had to change, and went back to work.</p></div><p>That just proves the flying through an asteroid field really is brown trousers time.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>My father worked on some long distance space probes in the 1970s , as well .
The excitement you 're talking about is very real.One day during the summer , when I was maybe 12 or 13 , he came home from work early .
It turns out the probe he was working with at the time was crossing the asteroid field or positioning itself to take some pictures or something , and well , he got very excited .
So excited that he shit his pants while in mission control.So he came home , had to change , and went back to work.That just proves the flying through an asteroid field really is brown trousers time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My father worked on some long distance space probes in the 1970s, as well.
The excitement you're talking about is very real.One day during the summer, when I was maybe 12 or 13, he came home from work early.
It turns out the probe he was working with at the time was crossing the asteroid field or positioning itself to take some pictures or something, and well, he got very excited.
So excited that he shit his pants while in mission control.So he came home, had to change, and went back to work.That just proves the flying through an asteroid field really is brown trousers time.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30088026</id>
	<title>Not the Pioneer Anomaly</title>
	<author>CheshireCatCO</author>
	<datestamp>1258133760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This isn't the Pioneer anomaly.  The latter was seen not in flybys but during extended cruise phases with no maneuvers.  As far as I know, it has only been seen in Pioneers, although that may be due to the particular nature of those spacecraft that make them excellent tests for this effect.  (Assuming it's not entirely intrinsic to the spacecraft in the first place.)</p><p>This effect is a flyby effect and is different from the Pioneer Anomaly, as the article itself pretty clearly notes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is n't the Pioneer anomaly .
The latter was seen not in flybys but during extended cruise phases with no maneuvers .
As far as I know , it has only been seen in Pioneers , although that may be due to the particular nature of those spacecraft that make them excellent tests for this effect .
( Assuming it 's not entirely intrinsic to the spacecraft in the first place .
) This effect is a flyby effect and is different from the Pioneer Anomaly , as the article itself pretty clearly notes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This isn't the Pioneer anomaly.
The latter was seen not in flybys but during extended cruise phases with no maneuvers.
As far as I know, it has only been seen in Pioneers, although that may be due to the particular nature of those spacecraft that make them excellent tests for this effect.
(Assuming it's not entirely intrinsic to the spacecraft in the first place.
)This effect is a flyby effect and is different from the Pioneer Anomaly, as the article itself pretty clearly notes.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30089350</id>
	<title>Re:Metric only</title>
	<author>DynaSoar</author>
	<datestamp>1258139520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Could you please tell me what that is in metric time?  These crazy 60 second minutes and 60 minute hours are too confusing.  It might have been ok for the Summarians, but it's time to use a modern unit divisible by 10.</p></div><p>Metric and English seconds are exactly the same, if you start at minus 40. You can also use the metric version called Absolute Seconds, which start at minus 273 seconds (minus 4 minutes, 33 seconds). I'm pretty sure this is what NASA is using since they have an automatic hold scheduled into all their count downs at around T minus 4 minutes. It probably takes them that 33 seconds to change the clock faces from 60/60/24 markings to 10/10/10 markings. Actually, the time researcher Vernor Vinge presented a time standard in one of his studies "A Fire Upon The Deep" based on a 100/100/100 (100, 10,000, 1,000,000 seconds; about a minute and a half, 2 3/4 hours and 11.5 days) scale. The proposed system suffers from association with a communications system proposed to allow open discussion between individuals in distant locations, with intermediaries assisting in the transmission either in order simply to participate, or if providing large amounts of bandwidth, for a fee. This ridiculous concept is obviously untenable, and having it intermixed with this time standard causes one to disbelieve both.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Could you please tell me what that is in metric time ?
These crazy 60 second minutes and 60 minute hours are too confusing .
It might have been ok for the Summarians , but it 's time to use a modern unit divisible by 10.Metric and English seconds are exactly the same , if you start at minus 40 .
You can also use the metric version called Absolute Seconds , which start at minus 273 seconds ( minus 4 minutes , 33 seconds ) .
I 'm pretty sure this is what NASA is using since they have an automatic hold scheduled into all their count downs at around T minus 4 minutes .
It probably takes them that 33 seconds to change the clock faces from 60/60/24 markings to 10/10/10 markings .
Actually , the time researcher Vernor Vinge presented a time standard in one of his studies " A Fire Upon The Deep " based on a 100/100/100 ( 100 , 10,000 , 1,000,000 seconds ; about a minute and a half , 2 3/4 hours and 11.5 days ) scale .
The proposed system suffers from association with a communications system proposed to allow open discussion between individuals in distant locations , with intermediaries assisting in the transmission either in order simply to participate , or if providing large amounts of bandwidth , for a fee .
This ridiculous concept is obviously untenable , and having it intermixed with this time standard causes one to disbelieve both .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Could you please tell me what that is in metric time?
These crazy 60 second minutes and 60 minute hours are too confusing.
It might have been ok for the Summarians, but it's time to use a modern unit divisible by 10.Metric and English seconds are exactly the same, if you start at minus 40.
You can also use the metric version called Absolute Seconds, which start at minus 273 seconds (minus 4 minutes, 33 seconds).
I'm pretty sure this is what NASA is using since they have an automatic hold scheduled into all their count downs at around T minus 4 minutes.
It probably takes them that 33 seconds to change the clock faces from 60/60/24 markings to 10/10/10 markings.
Actually, the time researcher Vernor Vinge presented a time standard in one of his studies "A Fire Upon The Deep" based on a 100/100/100 (100, 10,000, 1,000,000 seconds; about a minute and a half, 2 3/4 hours and 11.5 days) scale.
The proposed system suffers from association with a communications system proposed to allow open discussion between individuals in distant locations, with intermediaries assisting in the transmission either in order simply to participate, or if providing large amounts of bandwidth, for a fee.
This ridiculous concept is obviously untenable, and having it intermixed with this time standard causes one to disbelieve both.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30091382</id>
	<title>Can I use this effect ...</title>
	<author>PPH</author>
	<datestamp>1258104600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... as a defense against a speeding ticket?</htmltext>
<tokenext>... as a defense against a speeding ticket ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... as a defense against a speeding ticket?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30089632</id>
	<title>Cliff Stoll?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258140600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you the same Cliff Stoll that wrote that Cuckoo's Egg book back in the '80s?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you the same Cliff Stoll that wrote that Cuckoo 's Egg book back in the '80s ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you the same Cliff Stoll that wrote that Cuckoo's Egg book back in the '80s?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30087986</id>
	<title>Just so nobody fucks up the units from the start</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258133640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>45000km/hr
45 000 km = 45 000 000 meters = 45 000 000 000 millimeters.
1 hour = 60 minutes = 3600 seconds.

Rosetta's velocity is thus 12 500 000 millimeters per second.</htmltext>
<tokenext>45000km/hr 45 000 km = 45 000 000 meters = 45 000 000 000 millimeters .
1 hour = 60 minutes = 3600 seconds .
Rosetta 's velocity is thus 12 500 000 millimeters per second .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>45000km/hr
45 000 km = 45 000 000 meters = 45 000 000 000 millimeters.
1 hour = 60 minutes = 3600 seconds.
Rosetta's velocity is thus 12 500 000 millimeters per second.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30088268</id>
	<title>Whenever you see something like that,</title>
	<author>jtownatpunk.net</author>
	<datestamp>1258135020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A wizard did it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A wizard did it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A wizard did it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30090094</id>
	<title>Good luck</title>
	<author>SEWilco</author>
	<datestamp>1258142280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, as long as the Pioneer Anomaly does not involve dysentery... carry on.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , as long as the Pioneer Anomaly does not involve dysentery... carry on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, as long as the Pioneer Anomaly does not involve dysentery... carry on.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_143206.30088780</id>
	<title>Mond 4 life, bitches!</title>
	<author>SlappyBastard</author>
	<datestamp>1258137420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>This sounds like a case for . . . Modified Newtonian Dynamics!</htmltext>
<tokenext>This sounds like a case for .
. .
Modified Newtonian Dynamics !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This sounds like a case for .
. .
Modified Newtonian Dynamics!</sentencetext>
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