<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_12_1657226</id>
	<title>openSUSE 11.2 Released</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1258048380000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader tips news that <a href="http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE\_11.2">openSUSE 11.2 has reached its official release</a>. You can get it from their <a href="http://software.opensuse.org/112/en">download page</a>, or just grab the torrents (<a href="http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.2/iso/openSUSE-11.2-DVD-i586.iso.torrent">32-bit</a>, <a href="http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.2/iso/openSUSE-11.2-DVD-x86\_64.iso.torrent">64-bit</a>).
<i>"openSUSE 11.2 will come with the latest version 2.6.31 of the Linux kernel, the beating heart of every openSUSE system. The default file system of openSUSE will be switched to the new Ext4 as well. Of course, openSUSE will continue to support Ext3 and other filesystems &mdash; but on install, new partitions will automatically be designated Ext4. ... Desktops and servers can use the same kernel, but it's better to tune the kernel for the job at hand. That's why openSUSE now includes a desktop kernel specially tuned for desktop users. ...  In addition to the work of the openSUSE Project in the desktop, openSUSE 11.2 includes the latest versions of the two desktop environments, KDE 4.3 and GNOME 2.28. KDE users will enjoy the new Firefox KDE integration, OpenOffice.org KDE4 integration, consistent KDE artwork and all standard applications being ported to KDE4 including KNetworkManager, Amarok, Digikam, k3b, Konversation and more."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader tips news that openSUSE 11.2 has reached its official release .
You can get it from their download page , or just grab the torrents ( 32-bit , 64-bit ) .
" openSUSE 11.2 will come with the latest version 2.6.31 of the Linux kernel , the beating heart of every openSUSE system .
The default file system of openSUSE will be switched to the new Ext4 as well .
Of course , openSUSE will continue to support Ext3 and other filesystems    but on install , new partitions will automatically be designated Ext4 .
... Desktops and servers can use the same kernel , but it 's better to tune the kernel for the job at hand .
That 's why openSUSE now includes a desktop kernel specially tuned for desktop users .
... In addition to the work of the openSUSE Project in the desktop , openSUSE 11.2 includes the latest versions of the two desktop environments , KDE 4.3 and GNOME 2.28 .
KDE users will enjoy the new Firefox KDE integration , OpenOffice.org KDE4 integration , consistent KDE artwork and all standard applications being ported to KDE4 including KNetworkManager , Amarok , Digikam , k3b , Konversation and more .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An anonymous reader tips news that openSUSE 11.2 has reached its official release.
You can get it from their download page, or just grab the torrents (32-bit, 64-bit).
"openSUSE 11.2 will come with the latest version 2.6.31 of the Linux kernel, the beating heart of every openSUSE system.
The default file system of openSUSE will be switched to the new Ext4 as well.
Of course, openSUSE will continue to support Ext3 and other filesystems — but on install, new partitions will automatically be designated Ext4.
... Desktops and servers can use the same kernel, but it's better to tune the kernel for the job at hand.
That's why openSUSE now includes a desktop kernel specially tuned for desktop users.
...  In addition to the work of the openSUSE Project in the desktop, openSUSE 11.2 includes the latest versions of the two desktop environments, KDE 4.3 and GNOME 2.28.
KDE users will enjoy the new Firefox KDE integration, OpenOffice.org KDE4 integration, consistent KDE artwork and all standard applications being ported to KDE4 including KNetworkManager, Amarok, Digikam, k3b, Konversation and more.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30076614</id>
	<title>Re:Ext4 makes me nervous as Hell.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258055280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I remember<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. arguing about weather it was ext4's fault or KDE's that data was lost.  Because it was<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. the truth was not discussed despite how intelligent and informed every single +5 was.</p><p>Ext4 is fine. You can stop the paranoia.  It isn't necessary now and it won't be two years from now when you are still trolling it like it's hot off the press.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I remember / .
arguing about weather it was ext4 's fault or KDE 's that data was lost .
Because it was / .
the truth was not discussed despite how intelligent and informed every single + 5 was.Ext4 is fine .
You can stop the paranoia .
It is n't necessary now and it wo n't be two years from now when you are still trolling it like it 's hot off the press .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I remember /.
arguing about weather it was ext4's fault or KDE's that data was lost.
Because it was /.
the truth was not discussed despite how intelligent and informed every single +5 was.Ext4 is fine.
You can stop the paranoia.
It isn't necessary now and it won't be two years from now when you are still trolling it like it's hot off the press.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30076206</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30076650</id>
	<title>Re:Finally</title>
	<author>Macka</author>
	<datestamp>1258055400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Zypper *groan*<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. what the hell was wrong with yum?   It pisses me off that if I am ever called on to work on a SuSE system that I can't use the knowledge and experience I have with yum and have to learn yet another fucking package manager.  If they had a problem with Yum, why not just work closer with Redhat to improve it and keep the development effort/cost down for everyone.  They obviously haven't learned from Unix history: that trying to be a "better" unix than everyone else by being different doesn't win you more market share, it just makes you a niche player.  Commercial unix vendors fell into this trap years ago and look where it got them !</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Zypper * groan * .. what the hell was wrong with yum ?
It pisses me off that if I am ever called on to work on a SuSE system that I ca n't use the knowledge and experience I have with yum and have to learn yet another fucking package manager .
If they had a problem with Yum , why not just work closer with Redhat to improve it and keep the development effort/cost down for everyone .
They obviously have n't learned from Unix history : that trying to be a " better " unix than everyone else by being different does n't win you more market share , it just makes you a niche player .
Commercial unix vendors fell into this trap years ago and look where it got them !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Zypper *groan* .. what the hell was wrong with yum?
It pisses me off that if I am ever called on to work on a SuSE system that I can't use the knowledge and experience I have with yum and have to learn yet another fucking package manager.
If they had a problem with Yum, why not just work closer with Redhat to improve it and keep the development effort/cost down for everyone.
They obviously haven't learned from Unix history: that trying to be a "better" unix than everyone else by being different doesn't win you more market share, it just makes you a niche player.
Commercial unix vendors fell into this trap years ago and look where it got them !</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30075710</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30075850</id>
	<title>Re:Why switch to openSuse?</title>
	<author>russlar</author>
	<datestamp>1258052820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>yast</htmltext>
<tokenext>yast</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yast</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30075730</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30076122</id>
	<title>Re:Wokring Link?</title>
	<author>houghi</author>
	<datestamp>1258053660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://software.opensuse.org/112/en" title="opensuse.org">http://software.opensuse.org/112/en</a> [opensuse.org] which will point you to a mirror automatically, to bittorernt, metalink or a mirror you can select.</p><p>If you have a bit of experience, you can go with the Network version. Otherwise go with the GNOME or KDE version. Only if you will be installing on several machines should you download the DVD.</p><p>After installation there is no difference between the different versions, except for the obvious difference between KDE/GNOME. The CD versions are live versions can be run from USB stick as well.</p><p>More infor on the above URL</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //software.opensuse.org/112/en [ opensuse.org ] which will point you to a mirror automatically , to bittorernt , metalink or a mirror you can select.If you have a bit of experience , you can go with the Network version .
Otherwise go with the GNOME or KDE version .
Only if you will be installing on several machines should you download the DVD.After installation there is no difference between the different versions , except for the obvious difference between KDE/GNOME .
The CD versions are live versions can be run from USB stick as well.More infor on the above URL</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://software.opensuse.org/112/en [opensuse.org] which will point you to a mirror automatically, to bittorernt, metalink or a mirror you can select.If you have a bit of experience, you can go with the Network version.
Otherwise go with the GNOME or KDE version.
Only if you will be installing on several machines should you download the DVD.After installation there is no difference between the different versions, except for the obvious difference between KDE/GNOME.
The CD versions are live versions can be run from USB stick as well.More infor on the above URL</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30075826</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30084494</id>
	<title>Re:Why switch to openSuse?</title>
	<author>backwardMechanic</author>
	<datestamp>1258104660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Clearly if you're running Ubuntu you should switch, because it's only at version 9, but the best choice is obviously Fedora, because then you get v12. Easy, eh?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Clearly if you 're running Ubuntu you should switch , because it 's only at version 9 , but the best choice is obviously Fedora , because then you get v12 .
Easy , eh ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Clearly if you're running Ubuntu you should switch, because it's only at version 9, but the best choice is obviously Fedora, because then you get v12.
Easy, eh?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30075730</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30075676</id>
	<title>But...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258052220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>will my wifi work *EVERYTIME* without giving me an ulcer?</htmltext>
<tokenext>will my wifi work * EVERYTIME * without giving me an ulcer ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>will my wifi work *EVERYTIME* without giving me an ulcer?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30076720</id>
	<title>Re:Ext4 makes me nervous as Hell.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258055640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ext4 is the one that loses data. That Ted Ts'o "your data means nothing to me" programmer tries to defend this as somehow "correct" but was forced to backtrack to keep users from massive data loss. The fact that Ted Ts'o still has commit access to any kernel level code repositories is a strong negative for Linux when competing for mindshare. The powers that be should have booted him the minute he spewed his boneheaded "explanations" blaming the userland programs for the data loss when the data loss didn't occur with previous file systems.</p><p>I tried it and had incredible amount of truncated files, but fortunately for me it wasn't on a system that had important stuff. Stay away from ext4 until they get around to removing Ts'o commit access to the main kernel repositories and somebody with a clue steps in to fix the mess he created.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ext4 is the one that loses data .
That Ted Ts'o " your data means nothing to me " programmer tries to defend this as somehow " correct " but was forced to backtrack to keep users from massive data loss .
The fact that Ted Ts'o still has commit access to any kernel level code repositories is a strong negative for Linux when competing for mindshare .
The powers that be should have booted him the minute he spewed his boneheaded " explanations " blaming the userland programs for the data loss when the data loss did n't occur with previous file systems.I tried it and had incredible amount of truncated files , but fortunately for me it was n't on a system that had important stuff .
Stay away from ext4 until they get around to removing Ts'o commit access to the main kernel repositories and somebody with a clue steps in to fix the mess he created .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ext4 is the one that loses data.
That Ted Ts'o "your data means nothing to me" programmer tries to defend this as somehow "correct" but was forced to backtrack to keep users from massive data loss.
The fact that Ted Ts'o still has commit access to any kernel level code repositories is a strong negative for Linux when competing for mindshare.
The powers that be should have booted him the minute he spewed his boneheaded "explanations" blaming the userland programs for the data loss when the data loss didn't occur with previous file systems.I tried it and had incredible amount of truncated files, but fortunately for me it wasn't on a system that had important stuff.
Stay away from ext4 until they get around to removing Ts'o commit access to the main kernel repositories and somebody with a clue steps in to fix the mess he created.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30076206</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30085684</id>
	<title>Because all other Linux distros are illegal</title>
	<author>walterbyrd</author>
	<datestamp>1258121520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just ask Microsoft.</p><p>As I understand it: Microsoft has claimed they will not sue novell linux users for infringing on msft patents. Msft claims that linux infringes on several msft patents, although msft will not specify exactly which patents. If you use any linux distro other than novell, msft might sue you.</p><p>And don't forget to pay scox $699 for each CPU, if you run linux. Thank msft for that also.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just ask Microsoft.As I understand it : Microsoft has claimed they will not sue novell linux users for infringing on msft patents .
Msft claims that linux infringes on several msft patents , although msft will not specify exactly which patents .
If you use any linux distro other than novell , msft might sue you.And do n't forget to pay scox $ 699 for each CPU , if you run linux .
Thank msft for that also .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just ask Microsoft.As I understand it: Microsoft has claimed they will not sue novell linux users for infringing on msft patents.
Msft claims that linux infringes on several msft patents, although msft will not specify exactly which patents.
If you use any linux distro other than novell, msft might sue you.And don't forget to pay scox $699 for each CPU, if you run linux.
Thank msft for that also.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30075730</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30075840</id>
	<title>Re:Who...cares?</title>
	<author>mcrbids</author>
	<datestamp>1258052820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Really? (typing this on my Fedora Core laptop)</p><p>It's been my desktop for nearly 10 years...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Really ?
( typing this on my Fedora Core laptop ) It 's been my desktop for nearly 10 years.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really?
(typing this on my Fedora Core laptop)It's been my desktop for nearly 10 years...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30075704</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30076562</id>
	<title>Upstart, DeviceKit, etc.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258055040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Congrats first and foremost to everyone who worked on this release.</p><p>I use and love openSUSE. I've been running betas of 11.2 for a while now.</p><p>My only gripe is that openSUSE still apparently hasn't switched to Upstart, nor DeviceKit. I assume Novell's layoffs last year are the reason that openSUSE seems to be falling a little behind in feature adoption. I hope this isn't a growing trend.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Congrats first and foremost to everyone who worked on this release.I use and love openSUSE .
I 've been running betas of 11.2 for a while now.My only gripe is that openSUSE still apparently has n't switched to Upstart , nor DeviceKit .
I assume Novell 's layoffs last year are the reason that openSUSE seems to be falling a little behind in feature adoption .
I hope this is n't a growing trend .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Congrats first and foremost to everyone who worked on this release.I use and love openSUSE.
I've been running betas of 11.2 for a while now.My only gripe is that openSUSE still apparently hasn't switched to Upstart, nor DeviceKit.
I assume Novell's layoffs last year are the reason that openSUSE seems to be falling a little behind in feature adoption.
I hope this isn't a growing trend.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30076828</id>
	<title>Re:The beating heart...</title>
	<author>Mr. DOS</author>
	<datestamp>1258056000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah; the others have the tick(er)less kernel.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; --- Mr. DOS</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah ; the others have the tick ( er ) less kernel .
      --- Mr. DOS</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah; the others have the tick(er)less kernel.
      --- Mr. DOS</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30075696</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30076154</id>
	<title>Re:But...</title>
	<author>Vetruvet</author>
	<datestamp>1258053780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I dunno, my wifi has worked perfectly since 10.3... on 2 different laptops and 1 dektop... all three had different chip makers (Atheros, Intel, Broadcom).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I dunno , my wifi has worked perfectly since 10.3... on 2 different laptops and 1 dektop... all three had different chip makers ( Atheros , Intel , Broadcom ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dunno, my wifi has worked perfectly since 10.3... on 2 different laptops and 1 dektop... all three had different chip makers (Atheros, Intel, Broadcom).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30075676</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30076140</id>
	<title>Re:Why switch to openSuse?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258053720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>openSuSE's a nice, user-friendly distro that doesn't need too much fiddling from the user to work out of the box but comes with some nice admin tools that might help when you do want to mess around. i have a habit of ending up back on openSuSE because it works with all my hardware (except the inevitable wireless, which no linux will work with easily, thanks to broadcom) without any fuss.</p><p>if your distro suits you fine then i wouldn't bother swapping -- to any other distro. what would be the point? if, on the other hand, you're one of those that's been stung by hardware issues with ubuntu updates or fedora pushing something that's not quite roadworthy then openSuSE's worth a punt.</p><p>sorry for the lack of flames<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>openSuSE 's a nice , user-friendly distro that does n't need too much fiddling from the user to work out of the box but comes with some nice admin tools that might help when you do want to mess around .
i have a habit of ending up back on openSuSE because it works with all my hardware ( except the inevitable wireless , which no linux will work with easily , thanks to broadcom ) without any fuss.if your distro suits you fine then i would n't bother swapping -- to any other distro .
what would be the point ?
if , on the other hand , you 're one of those that 's been stung by hardware issues with ubuntu updates or fedora pushing something that 's not quite roadworthy then openSuSE 's worth a punt.sorry for the lack of flames : (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>openSuSE's a nice, user-friendly distro that doesn't need too much fiddling from the user to work out of the box but comes with some nice admin tools that might help when you do want to mess around.
i have a habit of ending up back on openSuSE because it works with all my hardware (except the inevitable wireless, which no linux will work with easily, thanks to broadcom) without any fuss.if your distro suits you fine then i wouldn't bother swapping -- to any other distro.
what would be the point?
if, on the other hand, you're one of those that's been stung by hardware issues with ubuntu updates or fedora pushing something that's not quite roadworthy then openSuSE's worth a punt.sorry for the lack of flames :(</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30075730</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30082958</id>
	<title>Re:Upstart, DeviceKit, etc.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258041960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do you have an actual reason why you feel Upstart is necessary? So far, it just hasn't won traction with openSUSE developers - has nothing to do with layoffs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you have an actual reason why you feel Upstart is necessary ?
So far , it just has n't won traction with openSUSE developers - has nothing to do with layoffs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you have an actual reason why you feel Upstart is necessary?
So far, it just hasn't won traction with openSUSE developers - has nothing to do with layoffs.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30076562</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30075704</id>
	<title>Who...cares?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258052340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Linux is not, has never been, and will never be the desktop of 20xx.  Get used to Windows, please!  Thanks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Linux is not , has never been , and will never be the desktop of 20xx .
Get used to Windows , please !
Thanks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Linux is not, has never been, and will never be the desktop of 20xx.
Get used to Windows, please!
Thanks.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30076120</id>
	<title>Only 11.2?</title>
	<author>filesiteguy</author>
	<datestamp>1258053660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm suprised to see they're only at 11.2. I honestly had moved away from SUSE/openSUSE towards Ubuntu after the zypper wars and teh KDE3/4 issues. (I succumbed to using GNOME on Ubuntu and am okay with it.)  The last I used openSUSE was 11.1 almost a year ago, and I would have figured they to be at 11.3 or even 12.0 by now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm suprised to see they 're only at 11.2 .
I honestly had moved away from SUSE/openSUSE towards Ubuntu after the zypper wars and teh KDE3/4 issues .
( I succumbed to using GNOME on Ubuntu and am okay with it .
) The last I used openSUSE was 11.1 almost a year ago , and I would have figured they to be at 11.3 or even 12.0 by now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm suprised to see they're only at 11.2.
I honestly had moved away from SUSE/openSUSE towards Ubuntu after the zypper wars and teh KDE3/4 issues.
(I succumbed to using GNOME on Ubuntu and am okay with it.
)  The last I used openSUSE was 11.1 almost a year ago, and I would have figured they to be at 11.3 or even 12.0 by now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30081040</id>
	<title>Who cares?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258028220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Suse blows.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Suse blows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Suse blows.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30077742</id>
	<title>Re:Why switch to openSuse?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258059180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've slowly started to wonder that as well.  WiFi support has always been, well, rubbish, the KDE4 mess wasn't really their fault but didn't help either, and you need to add other repositories if you want to download stuff like Asterisk - which usually isn't properly integrated so you end up hunting for libraries and the whole DIY show starts that you were trying to avoid in the first place.  And that's before you try to run it 64bit.  I used to actually buy the commercial version, but with OpenSuSE not working for me that stopped.</p><p>On the flipside, when it works it works well and is quite easy to change into what you want (I tend to run a desktop which is halfway between desktop and server).  I found Ubuntu in that respect more work - it really is a desktop where server facilities are still "old school" config files.</p><p>As I tend to run *one* version of Linux I'll torrent the OpenSuSE DVD once more and see if it works for me on a clean box (I never found upgrades work that well, and it's nice to clean out the crud).  I also just grabbed the Mandriva DVD which is a distro I have never used before.  We'll see which one wins, I'm not religious about it<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've slowly started to wonder that as well .
WiFi support has always been , well , rubbish , the KDE4 mess was n't really their fault but did n't help either , and you need to add other repositories if you want to download stuff like Asterisk - which usually is n't properly integrated so you end up hunting for libraries and the whole DIY show starts that you were trying to avoid in the first place .
And that 's before you try to run it 64bit .
I used to actually buy the commercial version , but with OpenSuSE not working for me that stopped.On the flipside , when it works it works well and is quite easy to change into what you want ( I tend to run a desktop which is halfway between desktop and server ) .
I found Ubuntu in that respect more work - it really is a desktop where server facilities are still " old school " config files.As I tend to run * one * version of Linux I 'll torrent the OpenSuSE DVD once more and see if it works for me on a clean box ( I never found upgrades work that well , and it 's nice to clean out the crud ) .
I also just grabbed the Mandriva DVD which is a distro I have never used before .
We 'll see which one wins , I 'm not religious about it : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've slowly started to wonder that as well.
WiFi support has always been, well, rubbish, the KDE4 mess wasn't really their fault but didn't help either, and you need to add other repositories if you want to download stuff like Asterisk - which usually isn't properly integrated so you end up hunting for libraries and the whole DIY show starts that you were trying to avoid in the first place.
And that's before you try to run it 64bit.
I used to actually buy the commercial version, but with OpenSuSE not working for me that stopped.On the flipside, when it works it works well and is quite easy to change into what you want (I tend to run a desktop which is halfway between desktop and server).
I found Ubuntu in that respect more work - it really is a desktop where server facilities are still "old school" config files.As I tend to run *one* version of Linux I'll torrent the OpenSuSE DVD once more and see if it works for me on a clean box (I never found upgrades work that well, and it's nice to clean out the crud).
I also just grabbed the Mandriva DVD which is a distro I have never used before.
We'll see which one wins, I'm not religious about it :-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30077536</id>
	<title>Re:Finally</title>
	<author>houghi</author>
	<datestamp>1258058520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, then keep on using yum. It is still there.<br>An old blog about the time differences: <a href="http://duncan.mac-vicar.com/blog/archives/309" title="mac-vicar.com">http://duncan.mac-vicar.com/blog/archives/309</a> [mac-vicar.com]</p><p>The reason they started with zypper was the problem of speed. In the beginning it was slow. Now it is seriously fast. And yet you can still use yum if you want that. It is there. The choice is yours.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , then keep on using yum .
It is still there.An old blog about the time differences : http : //duncan.mac-vicar.com/blog/archives/309 [ mac-vicar.com ] The reason they started with zypper was the problem of speed .
In the beginning it was slow .
Now it is seriously fast .
And yet you can still use yum if you want that .
It is there .
The choice is yours .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, then keep on using yum.
It is still there.An old blog about the time differences: http://duncan.mac-vicar.com/blog/archives/309 [mac-vicar.com]The reason they started with zypper was the problem of speed.
In the beginning it was slow.
Now it is seriously fast.
And yet you can still use yum if you want that.
It is there.
The choice is yours.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30078312</id>
	<title>Re:Finally</title>
	<author>Klivian</author>
	<datestamp>1258018080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The "finally" is a bit strong, since it has been there for a while.<br> <br>Using zypper dup worked flawlessly upgrading my 11.0 installs to 11.1. So I'll say you are at least one release to late with that one.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The " finally " is a bit strong , since it has been there for a while .
Using zypper dup worked flawlessly upgrading my 11.0 installs to 11.1 .
So I 'll say you are at least one release to late with that one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The "finally" is a bit strong, since it has been there for a while.
Using zypper dup worked flawlessly upgrading my 11.0 installs to 11.1.
So I'll say you are at least one release to late with that one.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30075710</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30076716</id>
	<title>huh?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258055640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Verify your download (optional, for experts)"</p><p>how about:</p><p>"Verify your download (mandatory, for everybody)"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Verify your download ( optional , for experts ) " how about : " Verify your download ( mandatory , for everybody ) "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Verify your download (optional, for experts)"how about:"Verify your download (mandatory, for everybody)"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30077594</id>
	<title>I certainly don't anymore</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258058700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't get me wrong, please.</p><p>I love KDE since 1.x. I've always hated GNOME since it was shipping with RH 5.2.</p><p>But I've been waiting for KDE and the whole Linux desktop experience to be good, and 11 years have passed.</p><p>Today, I have embraced Mac OS X for my personal desktop, and *love* it: I'm not looking back any more; I use OpenBSD for most of my servers of course; and for the PCs at work, I have succumbed to Ubuntu, a very customized Ubuntu that doesn't expose a whole desktop, but just a dock with only the applications the users need for work.</p><p>I fail to see why an easy to use desktop on Linux is needed any more, because all my three uses for a computer are already perfectly covered.</p><p>Not that I would reject using Linux as a desktop somewhere. Heck, I have used OpenBSD as a desktop. But just because I want to contribute to the project, or learn their internals. And for my users, it's better for them and for the company/institution that forget that they have a "Personal Computer": they don't; the machine in front of them is just a tool to get their job done. Then a whole desktop is overkill.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't get me wrong , please.I love KDE since 1.x .
I 've always hated GNOME since it was shipping with RH 5.2.But I 've been waiting for KDE and the whole Linux desktop experience to be good , and 11 years have passed.Today , I have embraced Mac OS X for my personal desktop , and * love * it : I 'm not looking back any more ; I use OpenBSD for most of my servers of course ; and for the PCs at work , I have succumbed to Ubuntu , a very customized Ubuntu that does n't expose a whole desktop , but just a dock with only the applications the users need for work.I fail to see why an easy to use desktop on Linux is needed any more , because all my three uses for a computer are already perfectly covered.Not that I would reject using Linux as a desktop somewhere .
Heck , I have used OpenBSD as a desktop .
But just because I want to contribute to the project , or learn their internals .
And for my users , it 's better for them and for the company/institution that forget that they have a " Personal Computer " : they do n't ; the machine in front of them is just a tool to get their job done .
Then a whole desktop is overkill .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't get me wrong, please.I love KDE since 1.x.
I've always hated GNOME since it was shipping with RH 5.2.But I've been waiting for KDE and the whole Linux desktop experience to be good, and 11 years have passed.Today, I have embraced Mac OS X for my personal desktop, and *love* it: I'm not looking back any more; I use OpenBSD for most of my servers of course; and for the PCs at work, I have succumbed to Ubuntu, a very customized Ubuntu that doesn't expose a whole desktop, but just a dock with only the applications the users need for work.I fail to see why an easy to use desktop on Linux is needed any more, because all my three uses for a computer are already perfectly covered.Not that I would reject using Linux as a desktop somewhere.
Heck, I have used OpenBSD as a desktop.
But just because I want to contribute to the project, or learn their internals.
And for my users, it's better for them and for the company/institution that forget that they have a "Personal Computer": they don't; the machine in front of them is just a tool to get their job done.
Then a whole desktop is overkill.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30076162</id>
	<title>Re:Why switch to openSuse?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258053780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a bit more stable that Fedora,  or at least that's been my opinion from using it.  It's well balanced new enough packages but it doesn't change every 6 months and when it does change it's possible and fairly easy to upgrade.</p><p>It has java packages,  mono packages,  all the dev tools you can image.   The repository collection they have is fairly rich and complete as well.  Flash runs in Firefox,  there are VLC package with video codecs and all the good stuff.   Honestly,  to me as a user and I've sort of done my time being a bleeding heart libre/free software advocate and monk,  it's not ideological,  it's simply a platform and it works pretty darn well.  I know people get butt hurt about mono and java and who Novell has done business with but it works out of the box,  has damn never everything I need and it has all the fluff that is nice to have.   If you've got some ideological feelings, you'll be happier with FC12.   Firefox is called "Firefox" in OpenSuse.  I believe it has a webkit based browser now as well.  Opera is in the non-OSS repo.  It has a non-OSS repo.</p><p>As far as comparing it to Ubuntu?  It's RPM based.  It seems like a very competitive product with Ubuntu but I couldn't say which is "better."</p><p>It's a high quality, community driven distribution with all the bells and whistles.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a bit more stable that Fedora , or at least that 's been my opinion from using it .
It 's well balanced new enough packages but it does n't change every 6 months and when it does change it 's possible and fairly easy to upgrade.It has java packages , mono packages , all the dev tools you can image .
The repository collection they have is fairly rich and complete as well .
Flash runs in Firefox , there are VLC package with video codecs and all the good stuff .
Honestly , to me as a user and I 've sort of done my time being a bleeding heart libre/free software advocate and monk , it 's not ideological , it 's simply a platform and it works pretty darn well .
I know people get butt hurt about mono and java and who Novell has done business with but it works out of the box , has damn never everything I need and it has all the fluff that is nice to have .
If you 've got some ideological feelings , you 'll be happier with FC12 .
Firefox is called " Firefox " in OpenSuse .
I believe it has a webkit based browser now as well .
Opera is in the non-OSS repo .
It has a non-OSS repo.As far as comparing it to Ubuntu ?
It 's RPM based .
It seems like a very competitive product with Ubuntu but I could n't say which is " better .
" It 's a high quality , community driven distribution with all the bells and whistles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a bit more stable that Fedora,  or at least that's been my opinion from using it.
It's well balanced new enough packages but it doesn't change every 6 months and when it does change it's possible and fairly easy to upgrade.It has java packages,  mono packages,  all the dev tools you can image.
The repository collection they have is fairly rich and complete as well.
Flash runs in Firefox,  there are VLC package with video codecs and all the good stuff.
Honestly,  to me as a user and I've sort of done my time being a bleeding heart libre/free software advocate and monk,  it's not ideological,  it's simply a platform and it works pretty darn well.
I know people get butt hurt about mono and java and who Novell has done business with but it works out of the box,  has damn never everything I need and it has all the fluff that is nice to have.
If you've got some ideological feelings, you'll be happier with FC12.
Firefox is called "Firefox" in OpenSuse.
I believe it has a webkit based browser now as well.
Opera is in the non-OSS repo.
It has a non-OSS repo.As far as comparing it to Ubuntu?
It's RPM based.
It seems like a very competitive product with Ubuntu but I couldn't say which is "better.
"It's a high quality, community driven distribution with all the bells and whistles.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30076206</id>
	<title>Ext4 makes me nervous as Hell.</title>
	<author>Zombie Ryushu</author>
	<datestamp>1258053960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When ext3 came out, I had reservations about it, and I stuck to ext2 until I was reasonably sure ext3 was totally safe. I've heard bad things about Ext4 corrupting data. While not as overtly malicious as Pulse Audio, (Which is an insidious parasite. Difficult to remove.) ext4 scares the Hell out of me at this state.</p><p>I urge Linux users to stick to ext3 for the protection of your data. At least for another year, give ext4 the chance to mature, then, when we are certain ext4 is safe, start using it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When ext3 came out , I had reservations about it , and I stuck to ext2 until I was reasonably sure ext3 was totally safe .
I 've heard bad things about Ext4 corrupting data .
While not as overtly malicious as Pulse Audio , ( Which is an insidious parasite .
Difficult to remove .
) ext4 scares the Hell out of me at this state.I urge Linux users to stick to ext3 for the protection of your data .
At least for another year , give ext4 the chance to mature , then , when we are certain ext4 is safe , start using it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When ext3 came out, I had reservations about it, and I stuck to ext2 until I was reasonably sure ext3 was totally safe.
I've heard bad things about Ext4 corrupting data.
While not as overtly malicious as Pulse Audio, (Which is an insidious parasite.
Difficult to remove.
) ext4 scares the Hell out of me at this state.I urge Linux users to stick to ext3 for the protection of your data.
At least for another year, give ext4 the chance to mature, then, when we are certain ext4 is safe, start using it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30077866</id>
	<title>How's the Upgrade?</title>
	<author>RAMMS+EIN</author>
	<datestamp>1258059540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd like to hear from users who have upgraded from the previous release (as opposed to performing a new installation).</p><p>How did you perform the upgrade?</p><p>How did it go?</p><p>Did anything that was working before stop working?</p><p>Is there anything in the new version that you like so much you don't want to go back to the old version anymore?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd like to hear from users who have upgraded from the previous release ( as opposed to performing a new installation ) .How did you perform the upgrade ? How did it go ? Did anything that was working before stop working ? Is there anything in the new version that you like so much you do n't want to go back to the old version anymore ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd like to hear from users who have upgraded from the previous release (as opposed to performing a new installation).How did you perform the upgrade?How did it go?Did anything that was working before stop working?Is there anything in the new version that you like so much you don't want to go back to the old version anymore?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30075858</id>
	<title>I use windows 7</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258052880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>is there a compelling reason for switching to 11.2?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>is there a compelling reason for switching to 11.2 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is there a compelling reason for switching to 11.2?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30076806</id>
	<title>Re:Why switch to openSuse?</title>
	<author>cbhacking</author>
	<datestamp>1258055940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, one of the major advantages of Yast is that it has an excellent NCurses-based terminal interface, which works beautifully over ssh. Easiest distro to remotely manage that I've ever tried (also, back in the day, easiest one to fix on the occasion that a graphics driver update made X stop working).</p><p>For those who don't know, Yast is basically the configuration tool for *everything* - repository and package management, network configuration, video driver configuration, user accounts, runlevel and login behavior, configuring a hypervisor, re-partitioning, managing GRUB... basically, it's a centralized management tool. It's graphical and designed for user-friendliness, with help info for every setting, but it will also display the relevant config files and allow you to edit them manually too. I've actually found it useful when trying to learn the format of a given config file, since Yast's help info + comparing the options on the graphical display with the generated config file = an easy way to learn the format and options of a config file.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , one of the major advantages of Yast is that it has an excellent NCurses-based terminal interface , which works beautifully over ssh .
Easiest distro to remotely manage that I 've ever tried ( also , back in the day , easiest one to fix on the occasion that a graphics driver update made X stop working ) .For those who do n't know , Yast is basically the configuration tool for * everything * - repository and package management , network configuration , video driver configuration , user accounts , runlevel and login behavior , configuring a hypervisor , re-partitioning , managing GRUB... basically , it 's a centralized management tool .
It 's graphical and designed for user-friendliness , with help info for every setting , but it will also display the relevant config files and allow you to edit them manually too .
I 've actually found it useful when trying to learn the format of a given config file , since Yast 's help info + comparing the options on the graphical display with the generated config file = an easy way to learn the format and options of a config file .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, one of the major advantages of Yast is that it has an excellent NCurses-based terminal interface, which works beautifully over ssh.
Easiest distro to remotely manage that I've ever tried (also, back in the day, easiest one to fix on the occasion that a graphics driver update made X stop working).For those who don't know, Yast is basically the configuration tool for *everything* - repository and package management, network configuration, video driver configuration, user accounts, runlevel and login behavior, configuring a hypervisor, re-partitioning, managing GRUB... basically, it's a centralized management tool.
It's graphical and designed for user-friendliness, with help info for every setting, but it will also display the relevant config files and allow you to edit them manually too.
I've actually found it useful when trying to learn the format of a given config file, since Yast's help info + comparing the options on the graphical display with the generated config file = an easy way to learn the format and options of a config file.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30077436</id>
	<title>Re:The beating heart...</title>
	<author>Gilmoure</author>
	<datestamp>1258058100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OpenSUSEbsd?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OpenSUSEbsd ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OpenSUSEbsd?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30075696</id>
	<title>The beating heart...</title>
	<author>CannonballHead</author>
	<datestamp>1258052280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>openSUSE 11.2 will come with the latest version 2.6.31 of the Linux kernel, the beating heart of every openSUSE system.</p></div><p>As opposed to all those other distros, which don't use the Linux kernel as their "beating heart."<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>openSUSE 11.2 will come with the latest version 2.6.31 of the Linux kernel , the beating heart of every openSUSE system.As opposed to all those other distros , which do n't use the Linux kernel as their " beating heart .
" : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>openSUSE 11.2 will come with the latest version 2.6.31 of the Linux kernel, the beating heart of every openSUSE system.As opposed to all those other distros, which don't use the Linux kernel as their "beating heart.
" :)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30085194</id>
	<title>Re:But...</title>
	<author>V!NCENT</author>
	<datestamp>1258115520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Try out a LiveCD/DVD iso. You can even put it on a USB stick with unetbootin*.</p><p>First format the USB stick in Windows as Fat32. Then run unetbootin with admin privileges. Make sure Windows has already mounted the USB stick before you run the tool and check what the mount point is called (F:\, E:\, etc)</p><p>Jesus...</p><p>* <a href="http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/" title="sourceforge.net" rel="nofollow">http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/</a> [sourceforge.net]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Try out a LiveCD/DVD iso .
You can even put it on a USB stick with unetbootin * .First format the USB stick in Windows as Fat32 .
Then run unetbootin with admin privileges .
Make sure Windows has already mounted the USB stick before you run the tool and check what the mount point is called ( F : \ , E : \ , etc ) Jesus... * http : //unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ [ sourceforge.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try out a LiveCD/DVD iso.
You can even put it on a USB stick with unetbootin*.First format the USB stick in Windows as Fat32.
Then run unetbootin with admin privileges.
Make sure Windows has already mounted the USB stick before you run the tool and check what the mount point is called (F:\, E:\, etc)Jesus...* http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30081314</id>
	<title>Re:The beating heart...</title>
	<author>JSG</author>
	<datestamp>1258029660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your caustic comment seems to imply that all distos run Linux which is a bit demeaning to *BSD or indeed any OS that is "distributed". 8)</p><p>"latest" - pah -I have 2.6.32-rc6 on my laptop courtesy of Gentoo.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your caustic comment seems to imply that all distos run Linux which is a bit demeaning to * BSD or indeed any OS that is " distributed " .
8 ) " latest " - pah -I have 2.6.32-rc6 on my laptop courtesy of Gentoo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your caustic comment seems to imply that all distos run Linux which is a bit demeaning to *BSD or indeed any OS that is "distributed".
8)"latest" - pah -I have 2.6.32-rc6 on my laptop courtesy of Gentoo.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30078344</id>
	<title>Re:Who...cares?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258018200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Behold, the ego of the arrogant asshole.  The context of "desktop" in the original post refers to the majority of computers in use, <b>NOT</b> your personal choice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Behold , the ego of the arrogant asshole .
The context of " desktop " in the original post refers to the majority of computers in use , NOT your personal choice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Behold, the ego of the arrogant asshole.
The context of "desktop" in the original post refers to the majority of computers in use, NOT your personal choice.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30076680</id>
	<title>Re:Why switch to openSuse?</title>
	<author>TheGreatOrangePeel</author>
	<datestamp>1258055460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>When I'm curious about a distro, I test ride it on VirtualBox as it minimizes the amount of time I waste on the distro. That's not to say that all Linux distros are a waste of time<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... My advice is that you install a few apps and go through a couple of updates in the virtual machine before you spend any time on doing an install on a real machine.</htmltext>
<tokenext>When I 'm curious about a distro , I test ride it on VirtualBox as it minimizes the amount of time I waste on the distro .
That 's not to say that all Linux distros are a waste of time ... My advice is that you install a few apps and go through a couple of updates in the virtual machine before you spend any time on doing an install on a real machine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I'm curious about a distro, I test ride it on VirtualBox as it minimizes the amount of time I waste on the distro.
That's not to say that all Linux distros are a waste of time ... My advice is that you install a few apps and go through a couple of updates in the virtual machine before you spend any time on doing an install on a real machine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30076910</id>
	<title>Re:Ext4 makes me nervous as Hell.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258056300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What exactly makes you nervous?  Just because of what you heard?  Have you even tried it for yourself?<br>I've tried it with several different distros and they all worked great.</p><p>I wouldn't trust ANY file system without current backups.<br>Oh, please say you are making current backups and if you are, what's the worry?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What exactly makes you nervous ?
Just because of what you heard ?
Have you even tried it for yourself ? I 've tried it with several different distros and they all worked great.I would n't trust ANY file system without current backups.Oh , please say you are making current backups and if you are , what 's the worry ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What exactly makes you nervous?
Just because of what you heard?
Have you even tried it for yourself?I've tried it with several different distros and they all worked great.I wouldn't trust ANY file system without current backups.Oh, please say you are making current backups and if you are, what's the worry?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30079810</id>
	<title>Re:But...</title>
	<author>apharmdq</author>
	<datestamp>1258023300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In my experience, most Linux distributions come with wifi drivers that work for just about any machine nowadays.  The main issue is the software, and often the default software is lacking for some activities.  However, WICD is an excellent alternative to the default network managers, and it has always worked flawlessly for me.<br>(There was an issue with hidden static networks recently, but from what I gather, that's been fixed in the latest version.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In my experience , most Linux distributions come with wifi drivers that work for just about any machine nowadays .
The main issue is the software , and often the default software is lacking for some activities .
However , WICD is an excellent alternative to the default network managers , and it has always worked flawlessly for me .
( There was an issue with hidden static networks recently , but from what I gather , that 's been fixed in the latest version .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In my experience, most Linux distributions come with wifi drivers that work for just about any machine nowadays.
The main issue is the software, and often the default software is lacking for some activities.
However, WICD is an excellent alternative to the default network managers, and it has always worked flawlessly for me.
(There was an issue with hidden static networks recently, but from what I gather, that's been fixed in the latest version.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30078846</id>
	<title>Re:Ext4 makes me nervous as Hell.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258020060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Spinal Tap Linux goes all the way to ext11!  It loses all your data!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Spinal Tap Linux goes all the way to ext11 !
It loses all your data !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Spinal Tap Linux goes all the way to ext11!
It loses all your data!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30077238</id>
	<title>Re:Ext4 makes me nervous as Hell.</title>
	<author>Runaway1956</author>
	<datestamp>1258057440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been waiting for Reiser to go mainstream.  Whatever happened to that?  Huh?  Oh, you say Reiser went to prison?  DA-YUM!!  They won't give him access to the intartubez, or what?</p><p>This is just the schitz.</p><p>Ext4?  Hmmmm.  We're not being set up for ANOTHER murder mystery, are we?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been waiting for Reiser to go mainstream .
Whatever happened to that ?
Huh ? Oh , you say Reiser went to prison ?
DA-YUM ! ! They wo n't give him access to the intartubez , or what ? This is just the schitz.Ext4 ?
Hmmmm. We 're not being set up for ANOTHER murder mystery , are we ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been waiting for Reiser to go mainstream.
Whatever happened to that?
Huh?  Oh, you say Reiser went to prison?
DA-YUM!!  They won't give him access to the intartubez, or what?This is just the schitz.Ext4?
Hmmmm.  We're not being set up for ANOTHER murder mystery, are we?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30076960</id>
	<title>Re:The beating heart...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258056540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Please quit signing your posts. It is considered tactless and obnoxious by most people. If you want a sig then put it in your sig block so that people can block it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Please quit signing your posts .
It is considered tactless and obnoxious by most people .
If you want a sig then put it in your sig block so that people can block it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please quit signing your posts.
It is considered tactless and obnoxious by most people.
If you want a sig then put it in your sig block so that people can block it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30076520</id>
	<title>Re:Only 11.2?</title>
	<author>Enderandrew</author>
	<datestamp>1258054860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They moved to an 8 month release. 8 months is almost a year. Are you suggesting that Ubuntu is superior because the increase the version number every 6 months as opposed to 8 months?</p><p>What does a version number mean?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They moved to an 8 month release .
8 months is almost a year .
Are you suggesting that Ubuntu is superior because the increase the version number every 6 months as opposed to 8 months ? What does a version number mean ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They moved to an 8 month release.
8 months is almost a year.
Are you suggesting that Ubuntu is superior because the increase the version number every 6 months as opposed to 8 months?What does a version number mean?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30077228</id>
	<title>Re:Why switch to openSuse?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258057380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yast was great until Novell bought SuSE.  Then it went downhill with all of the enhancements that Novell wanted to have in it.  It is getting better, it was much faster in 11.1 than in 10.1, for example.</p><p>Compared to Redhat's built in tools for administration, Yast is amazing.  Then again, if you can't use the command line, you may as well just use Linux as a personal Desktop OS.  I'll never care about Yast or any other admin tool like it on the servers that I support.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yast was great until Novell bought SuSE .
Then it went downhill with all of the enhancements that Novell wanted to have in it .
It is getting better , it was much faster in 11.1 than in 10.1 , for example.Compared to Redhat 's built in tools for administration , Yast is amazing .
Then again , if you ca n't use the command line , you may as well just use Linux as a personal Desktop OS .
I 'll never care about Yast or any other admin tool like it on the servers that I support .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yast was great until Novell bought SuSE.
Then it went downhill with all of the enhancements that Novell wanted to have in it.
It is getting better, it was much faster in 11.1 than in 10.1, for example.Compared to Redhat's built in tools for administration, Yast is amazing.
Then again, if you can't use the command line, you may as well just use Linux as a personal Desktop OS.
I'll never care about Yast or any other admin tool like it on the servers that I support.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30075958</id>
	<title>Re:Why switch to openSuse?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258053180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you like whichever distro you're currently using, stick with that. You're not the only reader here, and some of the others use OpenSUSE or simply have an interest in what's happening with different distributions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you like whichever distro you 're currently using , stick with that .
You 're not the only reader here , and some of the others use OpenSUSE or simply have an interest in what 's happening with different distributions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you like whichever distro you're currently using, stick with that.
You're not the only reader here, and some of the others use OpenSUSE or simply have an interest in what's happening with different distributions.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30076128</id>
	<title>Re:Why switch to openSuse?</title>
	<author>Krondor</author>
	<datestamp>1258053660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sure a few reasons;</p><p>OpenSUSE has one of the best KDE4 setups. They've done a lot of work into making KDE4 really shine. The Firefox KDE integration is AWESOME, and not something I am sure the other distros are shipping with. There is also additional work above and beyond stock on OpenOffice and such. A great attention to detail on the theming (not that you can't change that on Ubuntu and Fedora).</p><p>Zypper is hands down the best RPM tool and I would say on par or superior to Apt. Definitely a step over yum.</p><p>Nomad provide an RDP server for Linux that supports Compiz, not sure if that's been ported to other distros.</p><p>iFolder (if you care about that) is so far only packaged for SUSE, I believe.</p><p>Also Yast is great to administer your system if you're not command line friendly. It used to be atrocious, but now is very much decent. I still don't use it that much, but it has an appeal to people (especially our Windows friends). Overall it's a solid distro and I would say on par with Ubuntu and others.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure a few reasons ; OpenSUSE has one of the best KDE4 setups .
They 've done a lot of work into making KDE4 really shine .
The Firefox KDE integration is AWESOME , and not something I am sure the other distros are shipping with .
There is also additional work above and beyond stock on OpenOffice and such .
A great attention to detail on the theming ( not that you ca n't change that on Ubuntu and Fedora ) .Zypper is hands down the best RPM tool and I would say on par or superior to Apt .
Definitely a step over yum.Nomad provide an RDP server for Linux that supports Compiz , not sure if that 's been ported to other distros.iFolder ( if you care about that ) is so far only packaged for SUSE , I believe.Also Yast is great to administer your system if you 're not command line friendly .
It used to be atrocious , but now is very much decent .
I still do n't use it that much , but it has an appeal to people ( especially our Windows friends ) .
Overall it 's a solid distro and I would say on par with Ubuntu and others .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure a few reasons;OpenSUSE has one of the best KDE4 setups.
They've done a lot of work into making KDE4 really shine.
The Firefox KDE integration is AWESOME, and not something I am sure the other distros are shipping with.
There is also additional work above and beyond stock on OpenOffice and such.
A great attention to detail on the theming (not that you can't change that on Ubuntu and Fedora).Zypper is hands down the best RPM tool and I would say on par or superior to Apt.
Definitely a step over yum.Nomad provide an RDP server for Linux that supports Compiz, not sure if that's been ported to other distros.iFolder (if you care about that) is so far only packaged for SUSE, I believe.Also Yast is great to administer your system if you're not command line friendly.
It used to be atrocious, but now is very much decent.
I still don't use it that much, but it has an appeal to people (especially our Windows friends).
Overall it's a solid distro and I would say on par with Ubuntu and others.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30081780</id>
	<title>Re:Ext4 makes me nervous as Hell.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258032300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I've heard bad things about Ext4 corrupting data.</p> </div><p>They're mostly overblown. Bad things can happen if you lose power, but that applies to any FS. Buy a UPS.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I urge Linux users to stick to ext3 for the protection of your data.</p></div><p>I urge linux users to stick to ext2. Windows and BSD have ext2 support(But Windows may require extra software), so if you ever want to try the little red guy out, or go back to Windows for gaming, you'll be cursing if you went ext3.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p><p>Unless, of course, your distro uses 128KB inodes(mostly supported) rather than 256KB. (newer distros)</p><p><div class="quote"><p>That's why openSUSE now includes a desktop kernel specially tuned for desktop users.</p></div><p>Ubuntu could take a tip from these guys!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've heard bad things about Ext4 corrupting data .
They 're mostly overblown .
Bad things can happen if you lose power , but that applies to any FS .
Buy a UPS.I urge Linux users to stick to ext3 for the protection of your data.I urge linux users to stick to ext2 .
Windows and BSD have ext2 support ( But Windows may require extra software ) , so if you ever want to try the little red guy out , or go back to Windows for gaming , you 'll be cursing if you went ext3 .
: PUnless , of course , your distro uses 128KB inodes ( mostly supported ) rather than 256KB .
( newer distros ) That 's why openSUSE now includes a desktop kernel specially tuned for desktop users.Ubuntu could take a tip from these guys !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've heard bad things about Ext4 corrupting data.
They're mostly overblown.
Bad things can happen if you lose power, but that applies to any FS.
Buy a UPS.I urge Linux users to stick to ext3 for the protection of your data.I urge linux users to stick to ext2.
Windows and BSD have ext2 support(But Windows may require extra software), so if you ever want to try the little red guy out, or go back to Windows for gaming, you'll be cursing if you went ext3.
:PUnless, of course, your distro uses 128KB inodes(mostly supported) rather than 256KB.
(newer distros)That's why openSUSE now includes a desktop kernel specially tuned for desktop users.Ubuntu could take a tip from these guys!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30076772</id>
	<title>Re:I use windows 7</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258055820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>is there a compelling reason for switching to 11.2?</p></div><p>Yes.  There are several.  Do you want to have your wireless randomly forget your settings?  Do you want a lack of software?  Do you want your desktop to crash a few times a week?  Do you want the majority of hardware available in stores to not work?  Do you want your sound to not work?</p><p>If you answered yes to any of those, Linux is for you!  Why doesn't everyone use it?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>is there a compelling reason for switching to 11.2 ? Yes .
There are several .
Do you want to have your wireless randomly forget your settings ?
Do you want a lack of software ?
Do you want your desktop to crash a few times a week ?
Do you want the majority of hardware available in stores to not work ?
Do you want your sound to not work ? If you answered yes to any of those , Linux is for you !
Why does n't everyone use it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is there a compelling reason for switching to 11.2?Yes.
There are several.
Do you want to have your wireless randomly forget your settings?
Do you want a lack of software?
Do you want your desktop to crash a few times a week?
Do you want the majority of hardware available in stores to not work?
Do you want your sound to not work?If you answered yes to any of those, Linux is for you!
Why doesn't everyone use it?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30075710</id>
	<title>Finally</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258052340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Finally, easy upgrades come to OpenSUSE.</p><p>sudo zypper dup !</p><p>I just had to cleanly install OpenSUSE 11.1 the other day because I was in the middle of patching 10.3 when Novell took down the repositories. I worked on the broken system for a week before making the time to reformat/reinstall. I started patching it by hand to make the 10.3 -&gt; 11.1 dup work, but it was just too time consuming.</p><p>But anyway, I'll be running zypper dup in the next few days after demand on the servers dies down. It's about time SUSE users get a clean in-place upgrade process.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Finally , easy upgrades come to OpenSUSE.sudo zypper dup ! I just had to cleanly install OpenSUSE 11.1 the other day because I was in the middle of patching 10.3 when Novell took down the repositories .
I worked on the broken system for a week before making the time to reformat/reinstall .
I started patching it by hand to make the 10.3 - &gt; 11.1 dup work , but it was just too time consuming.But anyway , I 'll be running zypper dup in the next few days after demand on the servers dies down .
It 's about time SUSE users get a clean in-place upgrade process .
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Finally, easy upgrades come to OpenSUSE.sudo zypper dup !I just had to cleanly install OpenSUSE 11.1 the other day because I was in the middle of patching 10.3 when Novell took down the repositories.
I worked on the broken system for a week before making the time to reformat/reinstall.
I started patching it by hand to make the 10.3 -&gt; 11.1 dup work, but it was just too time consuming.But anyway, I'll be running zypper dup in the next few days after demand on the servers dies down.
It's about time SUSE users get a clean in-place upgrade process.
:-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30076450</id>
	<title>Re:Why switch to openSuse?</title>
	<author>Enderandrew</author>
	<datestamp>1258054680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The reason I run openSUSE is that they have great packages. Ubuntu's 9.10 release was like every other release they have, which is broken. Fedora also likes to push bleeding edge.</p><p>openSUSE does live fairly close to the bleeding edge, but they have a lot of developers pushing upstream code, and making solid packages. Heck, I often run weekly development snapshots from them and feel pretty secure in knowing they won't break my box.</p><p>They have arguably the best KDE 4.x desktop out there (Arch and Sabayon also being solid contenders). They also put a lot of time and attention into their Gnome desktop, but I don't run it and can't comment on it.</p><p>Yast is a fantastic tool.</p><p>Novell seems to be pushing the bulk of development in major projects like Evolution, Openoffice, etc. Novell and Red Hat seem to be the two kings of upstream development.</p><p>The knock against openSUSE is that they're falling a little behind in certain features (they're just now pushing EXT4, I think they still haven't moved to Upstart or DeviceKit, etc.) Sadly, I think think this is a result of the Novell layoffs last year. I wish there were fewer distros, so that the Linux community could consolidate and focus on putting out the best possible product as oppose to replicating everyone else's efforts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The reason I run openSUSE is that they have great packages .
Ubuntu 's 9.10 release was like every other release they have , which is broken .
Fedora also likes to push bleeding edge.openSUSE does live fairly close to the bleeding edge , but they have a lot of developers pushing upstream code , and making solid packages .
Heck , I often run weekly development snapshots from them and feel pretty secure in knowing they wo n't break my box.They have arguably the best KDE 4.x desktop out there ( Arch and Sabayon also being solid contenders ) .
They also put a lot of time and attention into their Gnome desktop , but I do n't run it and ca n't comment on it.Yast is a fantastic tool.Novell seems to be pushing the bulk of development in major projects like Evolution , Openoffice , etc .
Novell and Red Hat seem to be the two kings of upstream development.The knock against openSUSE is that they 're falling a little behind in certain features ( they 're just now pushing EXT4 , I think they still have n't moved to Upstart or DeviceKit , etc .
) Sadly , I think think this is a result of the Novell layoffs last year .
I wish there were fewer distros , so that the Linux community could consolidate and focus on putting out the best possible product as oppose to replicating everyone else 's efforts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The reason I run openSUSE is that they have great packages.
Ubuntu's 9.10 release was like every other release they have, which is broken.
Fedora also likes to push bleeding edge.openSUSE does live fairly close to the bleeding edge, but they have a lot of developers pushing upstream code, and making solid packages.
Heck, I often run weekly development snapshots from them and feel pretty secure in knowing they won't break my box.They have arguably the best KDE 4.x desktop out there (Arch and Sabayon also being solid contenders).
They also put a lot of time and attention into their Gnome desktop, but I don't run it and can't comment on it.Yast is a fantastic tool.Novell seems to be pushing the bulk of development in major projects like Evolution, Openoffice, etc.
Novell and Red Hat seem to be the two kings of upstream development.The knock against openSUSE is that they're falling a little behind in certain features (they're just now pushing EXT4, I think they still haven't moved to Upstart or DeviceKit, etc.
) Sadly, I think think this is a result of the Novell layoffs last year.
I wish there were fewer distros, so that the Linux community could consolidate and focus on putting out the best possible product as oppose to replicating everyone else's efforts.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30076802</id>
	<title>Re:The beating heart...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258055940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Depends if they set CONFIG\_NO\_HZ=y<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</htmltext>
<tokenext>Depends if they set CONFIG \ _NO \ _HZ = y : P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Depends if they set CONFIG\_NO\_HZ=y :P</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30081738</id>
	<title>Re:Ext4 makes me nervous as Hell.</title>
	<author>MrHanky</author>
	<datestamp>1258032060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why the hell would you urge users to stick with an older FS when the newer and better one needs testing? You should urge users to back up their important data.</p><p>EXT4 is a huge improvement on EXT3, and even if the FS won't fail, the physical hard drive will.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why the hell would you urge users to stick with an older FS when the newer and better one needs testing ?
You should urge users to back up their important data.EXT4 is a huge improvement on EXT3 , and even if the FS wo n't fail , the physical hard drive will .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why the hell would you urge users to stick with an older FS when the newer and better one needs testing?
You should urge users to back up their important data.EXT4 is a huge improvement on EXT3, and even if the FS won't fail, the physical hard drive will.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30077130</id>
	<title>Re:Ext4 makes me nervous as Hell.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258057020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"I urge Linux users to stick to ext3 for the protection of your data. At least for another year, give ext4 the chance to mature, then, when we are certain ext4 is safe, start using it."</p><p>You are not a file systems expert. So why give out shady misinformed advice and why do you think anyone will listen.<br>ext4 is stable. Very stable. The tiny amount of people experiencing minor data loss happened during the development stage and was nipped in the bud a long time ago.</p><p>Stop giving advice out for things you haven't tested and stop spreading FUD. Yes. You.<br>Leave the decision to what is good for your system to the experts. Yes. The OpenSuSe developers have selected ext4fs as the default file system because they have tested it for you and have not found it to corrupt or loose data.<br>It is your loss if you don't want to use the improvements of the new file system and stick with a should be depreciated fs but please don't advise others to follow your misguided theory that everything is broken "Because you heard/read about it somewhere."<br>ext4fs is good!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" I urge Linux users to stick to ext3 for the protection of your data .
At least for another year , give ext4 the chance to mature , then , when we are certain ext4 is safe , start using it .
" You are not a file systems expert .
So why give out shady misinformed advice and why do you think anyone will listen.ext4 is stable .
Very stable .
The tiny amount of people experiencing minor data loss happened during the development stage and was nipped in the bud a long time ago.Stop giving advice out for things you have n't tested and stop spreading FUD .
Yes. You.Leave the decision to what is good for your system to the experts .
Yes. The OpenSuSe developers have selected ext4fs as the default file system because they have tested it for you and have not found it to corrupt or loose data.It is your loss if you do n't want to use the improvements of the new file system and stick with a should be depreciated fs but please do n't advise others to follow your misguided theory that everything is broken " Because you heard/read about it somewhere .
" ext4fs is good !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I urge Linux users to stick to ext3 for the protection of your data.
At least for another year, give ext4 the chance to mature, then, when we are certain ext4 is safe, start using it.
"You are not a file systems expert.
So why give out shady misinformed advice and why do you think anyone will listen.ext4 is stable.
Very stable.
The tiny amount of people experiencing minor data loss happened during the development stage and was nipped in the bud a long time ago.Stop giving advice out for things you haven't tested and stop spreading FUD.
Yes. You.Leave the decision to what is good for your system to the experts.
Yes. The OpenSuSe developers have selected ext4fs as the default file system because they have tested it for you and have not found it to corrupt or loose data.It is your loss if you don't want to use the improvements of the new file system and stick with a should be depreciated fs but please don't advise others to follow your misguided theory that everything is broken "Because you heard/read about it somewhere.
"ext4fs is good!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30075826</id>
	<title>Wokring Link?</title>
	<author>SirBigSpur</author>
	<datestamp>1258052760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Anybody know of a mirror that actually works?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anybody know of a mirror that actually works ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anybody know of a mirror that actually works?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30077100</id>
	<title>Re:Why switch to openSuse?</title>
	<author>Runaway1956</author>
	<datestamp>1258056960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't think of any "compelling reasons" to switch distros.  Suse is nice, it gave me my "entry" into Linux because it worked on hardware that everything else balked at.  But - I've actually moved away from Suse to Deb derivatives - mostly Ubuntu.</p><p>As for testing everything - I've encouraged many Windows users to download and run LiveCD's.  That advice might apply to seasoned *nix users as well.  Curious, but not willing to go to all the work of installing?  Test drive those LiveCD's!!!</p><p>Oh yeah - I made a convert last evening.  He brought me an e-Machine with Vista.  Totally Fubar'd.  I sat him down, demonstrated E-live and Ubuntu, and he demanded that I install Ubuntu for him.  I'll be getting some support calls from him, but I won't be cleaning any virus off of Ubuntu!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't think of any " compelling reasons " to switch distros .
Suse is nice , it gave me my " entry " into Linux because it worked on hardware that everything else balked at .
But - I 've actually moved away from Suse to Deb derivatives - mostly Ubuntu.As for testing everything - I 've encouraged many Windows users to download and run LiveCD 's .
That advice might apply to seasoned * nix users as well .
Curious , but not willing to go to all the work of installing ?
Test drive those LiveCD 's ! !
! Oh yeah - I made a convert last evening .
He brought me an e-Machine with Vista .
Totally Fubar 'd .
I sat him down , demonstrated E-live and Ubuntu , and he demanded that I install Ubuntu for him .
I 'll be getting some support calls from him , but I wo n't be cleaning any virus off of Ubuntu !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't think of any "compelling reasons" to switch distros.
Suse is nice, it gave me my "entry" into Linux because it worked on hardware that everything else balked at.
But - I've actually moved away from Suse to Deb derivatives - mostly Ubuntu.As for testing everything - I've encouraged many Windows users to download and run LiveCD's.
That advice might apply to seasoned *nix users as well.
Curious, but not willing to go to all the work of installing?
Test drive those LiveCD's!!
!Oh yeah - I made a convert last evening.
He brought me an e-Machine with Vista.
Totally Fubar'd.
I sat him down, demonstrated E-live and Ubuntu, and he demanded that I install Ubuntu for him.
I'll be getting some support calls from him, but I won't be cleaning any virus off of Ubuntu!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30076922</id>
	<title>Re:But...</title>
	<author>Runaway1956</author>
	<datestamp>1258056360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Suse 9.something worked out of the box for me, when Windows wouldn't.  I installed a half dozen different distros, before I found a 64 bit OS that "just worked".  In fact, that was the straw that broke the camel's back.  I disowned Microsoft within days after purchasing my first 64 bit Opteron.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Suse 9.something worked out of the box for me , when Windows would n't .
I installed a half dozen different distros , before I found a 64 bit OS that " just worked " .
In fact , that was the straw that broke the camel 's back .
I disowned Microsoft within days after purchasing my first 64 bit Opteron .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Suse 9.something worked out of the box for me, when Windows wouldn't.
I installed a half dozen different distros, before I found a 64 bit OS that "just worked".
In fact, that was the straw that broke the camel's back.
I disowned Microsoft within days after purchasing my first 64 bit Opteron.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30077036</id>
	<title>Re:Ext4 makes me nervous as Hell.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258056720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who cares about ext4? They are using the usual "throw it away before it's even finished and start on another one" development method. Just wait for btrfs, or until btrfs gets dumped for something else far better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who cares about ext4 ?
They are using the usual " throw it away before it 's even finished and start on another one " development method .
Just wait for btrfs , or until btrfs gets dumped for something else far better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who cares about ext4?
They are using the usual "throw it away before it's even finished and start on another one" development method.
Just wait for btrfs, or until btrfs gets dumped for something else far better.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30076848</id>
	<title>Re:Why switch to openSuse?</title>
	<author>anandrajan</author>
	<datestamp>1258056060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>This is nice and all but that's a pretty standard distro release, can anybody tell me why i would want to switch from a similar distro, say ubuntu 9.10 or fedora 12 to openSuse?</i>
<br> <br>

I've been running opensuse since 9.3 (when it was just SUSE 9.3). I don't know about switching from fedora, but opensuse 11.2 has a very nice kde 4.3 implementation. And you can run kde 4.3 without using pulseaudio which is a plus in my book since I don't see the need for pulse on my standard desktop. Of course YMMV.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is nice and all but that 's a pretty standard distro release , can anybody tell me why i would want to switch from a similar distro , say ubuntu 9.10 or fedora 12 to openSuse ?
I 've been running opensuse since 9.3 ( when it was just SUSE 9.3 ) .
I do n't know about switching from fedora , but opensuse 11.2 has a very nice kde 4.3 implementation .
And you can run kde 4.3 without using pulseaudio which is a plus in my book since I do n't see the need for pulse on my standard desktop .
Of course YMMV .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is nice and all but that's a pretty standard distro release, can anybody tell me why i would want to switch from a similar distro, say ubuntu 9.10 or fedora 12 to openSuse?
I've been running opensuse since 9.3 (when it was just SUSE 9.3).
I don't know about switching from fedora, but opensuse 11.2 has a very nice kde 4.3 implementation.
And you can run kde 4.3 without using pulseaudio which is a plus in my book since I don't see the need for pulse on my standard desktop.
Of course YMMV.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30079844</id>
	<title>Re:Ext4 makes me nervous as Hell.</title>
	<author>rantingkitten</author>
	<datestamp>1258023480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oh yeah?  Well, <b>I</b> recommend that everyone chisel their data into stone tablets and store them in underground, climate-controlled facilities.  Give this "papyrus" thing a chance to mature and maybe I'll start using it, once I know it's safe.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh yeah ?
Well , I recommend that everyone chisel their data into stone tablets and store them in underground , climate-controlled facilities .
Give this " papyrus " thing a chance to mature and maybe I 'll start using it , once I know it 's safe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh yeah?
Well, I recommend that everyone chisel their data into stone tablets and store them in underground, climate-controlled facilities.
Give this "papyrus" thing a chance to mature and maybe I'll start using it, once I know it's safe.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30086710</id>
	<title>vs Mandriva</title>
	<author>gr8dude</author>
	<datestamp>1258127520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am curious what its advantages are over Mandriva; just a few days ago someone wrote the same thing about it - "Mandriva provides the best KDE4 experience".</p><p>It was also said that it has the most easy to use administration interface too.</p><p>I'm asking this as a GNOME user who decided to give KDE4 a try, so I hope you can shed some light on the subject.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am curious what its advantages are over Mandriva ; just a few days ago someone wrote the same thing about it - " Mandriva provides the best KDE4 experience " .It was also said that it has the most easy to use administration interface too.I 'm asking this as a GNOME user who decided to give KDE4 a try , so I hope you can shed some light on the subject .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am curious what its advantages are over Mandriva; just a few days ago someone wrote the same thing about it - "Mandriva provides the best KDE4 experience".It was also said that it has the most easy to use administration interface too.I'm asking this as a GNOME user who decided to give KDE4 a try, so I hope you can shed some light on the subject.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30080786</id>
	<title>Re:Why switch to openSuse?</title>
	<author>rubycodez</author>
	<datestamp>1258027080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>are you kidding?  your Ubuntu is only at 9.10, while OpenSuSE goes all the way past 11!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>are you kidding ?
your Ubuntu is only at 9.10 , while OpenSuSE goes all the way past 11 !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>are you kidding?
your Ubuntu is only at 9.10, while OpenSuSE goes all the way past 11!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30077334</id>
	<title>Re:Why switch to openSuse?</title>
	<author>slonik</author>
	<datestamp>1258057680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>For those who don't know, Yast is basically the configuration tool for *everything* - repository and package management, network configuration, video driver configuration, user accounts, runlevel and login behavior, configuring a hypervisor, re-partitioning, managing GRUB... basically, it's a centralized management tool.</i></p><p>Your forgot to mention that Yast also manages Apache, Samba, security, sshd, printers/scanners, fax, network time ntp, etc. Pretty much Yast configures everything that is configurable:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For those who do n't know , Yast is basically the configuration tool for * everything * - repository and package management , network configuration , video driver configuration , user accounts , runlevel and login behavior , configuring a hypervisor , re-partitioning , managing GRUB... basically , it 's a centralized management tool.Your forgot to mention that Yast also manages Apache , Samba , security , sshd , printers/scanners , fax , network time ntp , etc .
Pretty much Yast configures everything that is configurable : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For those who don't know, Yast is basically the configuration tool for *everything* - repository and package management, network configuration, video driver configuration, user accounts, runlevel and login behavior, configuring a hypervisor, re-partitioning, managing GRUB... basically, it's a centralized management tool.Your forgot to mention that Yast also manages Apache, Samba, security, sshd, printers/scanners, fax, network time ntp, etc.
Pretty much Yast configures everything that is configurable:-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30077078</id>
	<title>Re:But...</title>
	<author>CannonballHead</author>
	<datestamp>1258056780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>10.1 and 10.3 and wifi worked fine for me (I actually really liked 10.3 and was excited<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... until 11.0), 10.2 and 11.0 weren't so great.</htmltext>
<tokenext>10.1 and 10.3 and wifi worked fine for me ( I actually really liked 10.3 and was excited ... until 11.0 ) , 10.2 and 11.0 were n't so great .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>10.1 and 10.3 and wifi worked fine for me (I actually really liked 10.3 and was excited ... until 11.0), 10.2 and 11.0 weren't so great.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30077504</id>
	<title>Re:The beating heart...</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1258058400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most distros don't need to move gallons of blood...</p><p>Come to think of it, what the heck is SUSE doing!?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most distros do n't need to move gallons of blood...Come to think of it , what the heck is SUSE doing !
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most distros don't need to move gallons of blood...Come to think of it, what the heck is SUSE doing!
?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30076928</id>
	<title>Re:Why switch to openSuse?</title>
	<author>kimvette</author>
	<datestamp>1258056360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you want to get actual work done, OpenSUSE is pretty much ready to go out of the box. Its achilles' heel has historically been poor wifi support (requiring a lot of tinkering, whereas Ubuntu has worked consistently well with wifi in my experience) but hopefully 11.2 fares a lot better in that regard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you want to get actual work done , OpenSUSE is pretty much ready to go out of the box .
Its achilles ' heel has historically been poor wifi support ( requiring a lot of tinkering , whereas Ubuntu has worked consistently well with wifi in my experience ) but hopefully 11.2 fares a lot better in that regard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you want to get actual work done, OpenSUSE is pretty much ready to go out of the box.
Its achilles' heel has historically been poor wifi support (requiring a lot of tinkering, whereas Ubuntu has worked consistently well with wifi in my experience) but hopefully 11.2 fares a lot better in that regard.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30075948</id>
	<title>Nice, but ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258053120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How does this compare to, say, a train, which I can also afford?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How does this compare to , say , a train , which I can also afford ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How does this compare to, say, a train, which I can also afford?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30075984</id>
	<title>Be still my beating heart</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1258053240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>the beating heart of every openSUSE system.</i> </p><p>Linux as the love object of a Harlequin romance.</p><p>KNetworkManager, Amarok, Digikam, k3b, Konversation and more.</p><p>I suppose the geek learns to live with this sort of thing. But words like Korny and Konfusing also come to mind,</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the beating heart of every openSUSE system .
Linux as the love object of a Harlequin romance.KNetworkManager , Amarok , Digikam , k3b , Konversation and more.I suppose the geek learns to live with this sort of thing .
But words like Korny and Konfusing also come to mind,</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the beating heart of every openSUSE system.
Linux as the love object of a Harlequin romance.KNetworkManager, Amarok, Digikam, k3b, Konversation and more.I suppose the geek learns to live with this sort of thing.
But words like Korny and Konfusing also come to mind,</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30078472</id>
	<title>Re:Ext4 makes me nervous as Hell.</title>
	<author>Eil</author>
	<datestamp>1258018740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh yeah, well <b>I</b> urge Linux users to stick to ext2 for the protection of your data. At least for another year, give ext3 the chance to mature, then, when we are certain ext3 is safe, start using it.</p><p>&gt;/sarcasm&lt;</p><p>I work in a datacenter with tens of thousands of Linux machines and we see Linux fail in every way imaginable. It's impossible to get any substantially-complex piece of code bug-free, the best anyone can do is "good enough." Sure, everyone has their own definition of "good enough," but I trust the judgement of the kernel and distribution developers in that regard. (Because if I didn't, I'd lobby for using a different OS entirely, anyway.)</p><p>Besides, if nobody uses a particular feature out of fear, it can never be tested and proven reliable.</p><p>Also, remember to keep backups whether or not you're using a filesystem that's seen recent development.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh yeah , well I urge Linux users to stick to ext2 for the protection of your data .
At least for another year , give ext3 the chance to mature , then , when we are certain ext3 is safe , start using it. &gt; /sarcasmI work in a datacenter with tens of thousands of Linux machines and we see Linux fail in every way imaginable .
It 's impossible to get any substantially-complex piece of code bug-free , the best anyone can do is " good enough .
" Sure , everyone has their own definition of " good enough , " but I trust the judgement of the kernel and distribution developers in that regard .
( Because if I did n't , I 'd lobby for using a different OS entirely , anyway .
) Besides , if nobody uses a particular feature out of fear , it can never be tested and proven reliable.Also , remember to keep backups whether or not you 're using a filesystem that 's seen recent development .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh yeah, well I urge Linux users to stick to ext2 for the protection of your data.
At least for another year, give ext3 the chance to mature, then, when we are certain ext3 is safe, start using it.&gt;/sarcasmI work in a datacenter with tens of thousands of Linux machines and we see Linux fail in every way imaginable.
It's impossible to get any substantially-complex piece of code bug-free, the best anyone can do is "good enough.
" Sure, everyone has their own definition of "good enough," but I trust the judgement of the kernel and distribution developers in that regard.
(Because if I didn't, I'd lobby for using a different OS entirely, anyway.
)Besides, if nobody uses a particular feature out of fear, it can never be tested and proven reliable.Also, remember to keep backups whether or not you're using a filesystem that's seen recent development.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30078318</id>
	<title>Re:Ext4 makes me nervous as Hell.</title>
	<author>clampolo</author>
	<datestamp>1258018080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Stop giving advice out for things you haven't tested and stop spreading FUD. Yes. You.</p></div><p>If you would take 30s to do some simple googling you would see that there are plenty of people having problems.  You are an ass for accusing that guy of FUD without doing even a simple fact check.  Yes. You.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Stop giving advice out for things you have n't tested and stop spreading FUD .
Yes. You.If you would take 30s to do some simple googling you would see that there are plenty of people having problems .
You are an ass for accusing that guy of FUD without doing even a simple fact check .
Yes. You .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stop giving advice out for things you haven't tested and stop spreading FUD.
Yes. You.If you would take 30s to do some simple googling you would see that there are plenty of people having problems.
You are an ass for accusing that guy of FUD without doing even a simple fact check.
Yes. You.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30075998</id>
	<title>Re:Why switch to openSuse?</title>
	<author>houghi</author>
	<datestamp>1258053300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Only you can tell. If you are happy with what you have, stay where you are. (This also goes for Windows users.) If you are interested in trying out, download it and try it out. I use it as I like YaST and zypper. I also like to use it to combine it with the repositories I can make myself on <a href="https://build.opensuse.org/" title="opensuse.org">https://build.opensuse.org/</a> [opensuse.org] and I like it because I can easily make my own distro based on it on <a href="http://susestudio.com/" title="susestudio.com">http://susestudio.com/</a> [susestudio.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Only you can tell .
If you are happy with what you have , stay where you are .
( This also goes for Windows users .
) If you are interested in trying out , download it and try it out .
I use it as I like YaST and zypper .
I also like to use it to combine it with the repositories I can make myself on https : //build.opensuse.org/ [ opensuse.org ] and I like it because I can easily make my own distro based on it on http : //susestudio.com/ [ susestudio.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only you can tell.
If you are happy with what you have, stay where you are.
(This also goes for Windows users.
) If you are interested in trying out, download it and try it out.
I use it as I like YaST and zypper.
I also like to use it to combine it with the repositories I can make myself on https://build.opensuse.org/ [opensuse.org] and I like it because I can easily make my own distro based on it on http://susestudio.com/ [susestudio.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30076148</id>
	<title>Re:Why switch to openSuse?</title>
	<author>H.G.Blob</author>
	<datestamp>1258053720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>IMHO openSuse is the by far the most polished KDE distro out there and yast is a very useful tool if you don't like editing config files.</htmltext>
<tokenext>IMHO openSuse is the by far the most polished KDE distro out there and yast is a very useful tool if you do n't like editing config files .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IMHO openSuse is the by far the most polished KDE distro out there and yast is a very useful tool if you don't like editing config files.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30082924</id>
	<title>Re:The beating heart...</title>
	<author>dhammabum</author>
	<datestamp>1258041600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The other distros are the undead...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The other distros are the undead.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The other distros are the undead...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30075730</id>
	<title>Why switch to openSuse?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258052400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is nice and all but that's a pretty standard distro release, can anybody tell me why i would want to switch from a similar distro, say ubuntu 9.10  or fedora 12 to openSuse?</p><p>sure I could try them all but there is only so much time i want to spend installing/setting stuff up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is nice and all but that 's a pretty standard distro release , can anybody tell me why i would want to switch from a similar distro , say ubuntu 9.10 or fedora 12 to openSuse ? sure I could try them all but there is only so much time i want to spend installing/setting stuff up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is nice and all but that's a pretty standard distro release, can anybody tell me why i would want to switch from a similar distro, say ubuntu 9.10  or fedora 12 to openSuse?sure I could try them all but there is only so much time i want to spend installing/setting stuff up.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30080702</id>
	<title>Has your webcam ever showed up in Yast's Hardware?</title>
	<author>Provocateur</author>
	<datestamp>1258026720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or will they forever be classed as the gypsies of the Linux universe, shunned by most distros? If your<br>webcam ever ever showed up in yast, then maybe I shall hold my tongue, and instead start singing<br>hosannas to its superiority. In 11.0, 'Scanners' iirc showed up. Almost, but not quite.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or will they forever be classed as the gypsies of the Linux universe , shunned by most distros ?
If yourwebcam ever ever showed up in yast , then maybe I shall hold my tongue , and instead start singinghosannas to its superiority .
In 11.0 , 'Scanners ' iirc showed up .
Almost , but not quite .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or will they forever be classed as the gypsies of the Linux universe, shunned by most distros?
If yourwebcam ever ever showed up in yast, then maybe I shall hold my tongue, and instead start singinghosannas to its superiority.
In 11.0, 'Scanners' iirc showed up.
Almost, but not quite.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30084388</id>
	<title>Re:Finally</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258145520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Distribution upgrade with "zypper dup" already worked perfectly well with openSUSE 11.0 &gt; 11.1, at least on my server. Done within minutes, only one reboot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Distribution upgrade with " zypper dup " already worked perfectly well with openSUSE 11.0 &gt; 11.1 , at least on my server .
Done within minutes , only one reboot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Distribution upgrade with "zypper dup" already worked perfectly well with openSUSE 11.0 &gt; 11.1, at least on my server.
Done within minutes, only one reboot.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1657226.30080958</id>
	<title>Re:Who...cares?</title>
	<author>TangoCharlie</author>
	<datestamp>1258027800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree.</p><p>And, IBM will never be replaced as the dominant PC manufacturer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree.And , IBM will never be replaced as the dominant PC manufacturer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree.And, IBM will never be replaced as the dominant PC manufacturer.</sentencetext>
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