<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_12_1415240</id>
	<title>NASA, European Space Agency Want To Go To Mars</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1258040820000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>coondoggie writes <i>"NASA and the European Space Agency (ESA) are aiming to cooperate on all manner of robotic orbiters, landers and exploration devices for a future trip to Mars. Specifically, NASA and ESA recently agreed to consider <a href="http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/47712">the establishment of a new joint initiative</a> to define and implement their scientific, programmatic, and technological goals for the exploration of Mars. The program would focus on several launch opportunities with landers and orbiters conducting astrobiological, geological, geophysical, climatological, and other high-priority investigations and aiming at returning samples from Mars in the mid-2020s."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>coondoggie writes " NASA and the European Space Agency ( ESA ) are aiming to cooperate on all manner of robotic orbiters , landers and exploration devices for a future trip to Mars .
Specifically , NASA and ESA recently agreed to consider the establishment of a new joint initiative to define and implement their scientific , programmatic , and technological goals for the exploration of Mars .
The program would focus on several launch opportunities with landers and orbiters conducting astrobiological , geological , geophysical , climatological , and other high-priority investigations and aiming at returning samples from Mars in the mid-2020s .
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<sentencetext>coondoggie writes "NASA and the European Space Agency (ESA) are aiming to cooperate on all manner of robotic orbiters, landers and exploration devices for a future trip to Mars.
Specifically, NASA and ESA recently agreed to consider the establishment of a new joint initiative to define and implement their scientific, programmatic, and technological goals for the exploration of Mars.
The program would focus on several launch opportunities with landers and orbiters conducting astrobiological, geological, geophysical, climatological, and other high-priority investigations and aiming at returning samples from Mars in the mid-2020s.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30073750</id>
	<title>Euro Agency == unconstitutional?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258046040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>(flips through Lisbon Treaty)</p><p>- where does this thing give the EU power to create a space agency?  For that matter, where does the U.S.C. give power to Congress to create NASA?   Hmmm.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>( flips through Lisbon Treaty ) - where does this thing give the EU power to create a space agency ?
For that matter , where does the U.S.C .
give power to Congress to create NASA ?
Hmmm .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(flips through Lisbon Treaty)- where does this thing give the EU power to create a space agency?
For that matter, where does the U.S.C.
give power to Congress to create NASA?
Hmmm.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30076976</id>
	<title>Re:Go to Mars</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258056540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The US needs to figure out its side of the equation, what is more important, buying votes or science?</p></div><p>That's not the real question either, since science as an end in itself isn't much more important than buying votes. We fund science to considerable levels now because we expect it to pay off. What happens when that's not true? What's the point of gathering tremendous information about the Solar System, if nobody is going to be using it aside from a few scientists? Second, science in space costs about one to three orders of magnitude more than equivalent science on Earth. We could be doing a lot more science merely by redirecting space science funding into more mundane things on Earth.<br> <br>

My take is that the reason the US and EU should be involved, is because this will be the next big human expansion after discovery and development of the New World (1492-present) and the conversion of the entire world to high tech societies (1900-present). They'll be in a position to figure good approaches for colonization and resource utilization. They already have a good idea what is out there. If there are American and European businesses making money in space or people living in colonies on another world, then there's a need for space science beyond just satisfying someone's idle curiosity or feeding a starving graduate student. Peoples' lives and livelihood would depend on that knowledge.<br> <br>

This is the start of something huge. But we need to figure out how to get from here to there.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The US needs to figure out its side of the equation , what is more important , buying votes or science ? That 's not the real question either , since science as an end in itself is n't much more important than buying votes .
We fund science to considerable levels now because we expect it to pay off .
What happens when that 's not true ?
What 's the point of gathering tremendous information about the Solar System , if nobody is going to be using it aside from a few scientists ?
Second , science in space costs about one to three orders of magnitude more than equivalent science on Earth .
We could be doing a lot more science merely by redirecting space science funding into more mundane things on Earth .
My take is that the reason the US and EU should be involved , is because this will be the next big human expansion after discovery and development of the New World ( 1492-present ) and the conversion of the entire world to high tech societies ( 1900-present ) .
They 'll be in a position to figure good approaches for colonization and resource utilization .
They already have a good idea what is out there .
If there are American and European businesses making money in space or people living in colonies on another world , then there 's a need for space science beyond just satisfying someone 's idle curiosity or feeding a starving graduate student .
Peoples ' lives and livelihood would depend on that knowledge .
This is the start of something huge .
But we need to figure out how to get from here to there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The US needs to figure out its side of the equation, what is more important, buying votes or science?That's not the real question either, since science as an end in itself isn't much more important than buying votes.
We fund science to considerable levels now because we expect it to pay off.
What happens when that's not true?
What's the point of gathering tremendous information about the Solar System, if nobody is going to be using it aside from a few scientists?
Second, science in space costs about one to three orders of magnitude more than equivalent science on Earth.
We could be doing a lot more science merely by redirecting space science funding into more mundane things on Earth.
My take is that the reason the US and EU should be involved, is because this will be the next big human expansion after discovery and development of the New World (1492-present) and the conversion of the entire world to high tech societies (1900-present).
They'll be in a position to figure good approaches for colonization and resource utilization.
They already have a good idea what is out there.
If there are American and European businesses making money in space or people living in colonies on another world, then there's a need for space science beyond just satisfying someone's idle curiosity or feeding a starving graduate student.
Peoples' lives and livelihood would depend on that knowledge.
This is the start of something huge.
But we need to figure out how to get from here to there.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30075816</id>
	<title>Re:China/Japan/russia</title>
	<author>dwiget001</author>
	<datestamp>1258052700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>||<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...not a cock swinging contest.... ||</p><p>I guess this must be a new version of the old tried and true "cock measuring contest" (TM).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>| | ...not a cock swinging contest.... | | I guess this must be a new version of the old tried and true " cock measuring contest " ( TM ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>|| ...not a cock swinging contest.... ||I guess this must be a new version of the old tried and true "cock measuring contest" (TM).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30073980</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30075194</id>
	<title>Don't let the door hit you on your way out . . .</title>
	<author>PolygamousRanchKid </author>
	<datestamp>1258050900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> NASA, European Space Agency Want To Go To Mars</p></div><p>Great, with NASA and ESA "gone to Mars," maybe we can get some fresh blood (competition) into space exploration?  Like, from some private folks?
</p><p>Hell, let them milk some millionaires for a few seconds in space to push space flight technology forwards.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>NASA , European Space Agency Want To Go To MarsGreat , with NASA and ESA " gone to Mars , " maybe we can get some fresh blood ( competition ) into space exploration ?
Like , from some private folks ?
Hell , let them milk some millionaires for a few seconds in space to push space flight technology forwards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> NASA, European Space Agency Want To Go To MarsGreat, with NASA and ESA "gone to Mars," maybe we can get some fresh blood (competition) into space exploration?
Like, from some private folks?
Hell, let them milk some millionaires for a few seconds in space to push space flight technology forwards.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30074112</id>
	<title>Let them Go to Mars...  ;-)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258047600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...and let them - in time - take anybody, who embraces war, terrorism, etc. with them!</p><p>The rest of us will stay &amp; work on solving the problems of, eg, Global Warming, Human Overpopulation, Species Depletion, Making various Renewable Energies work, Reducing Poverty &amp; getting Mining companies to create great Robot "Key-Hole" Mining Systems (that will do - for Mining - what Robot Surgery has done for human patients), etc.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...and let them - in time - take anybody , who embraces war , terrorism , etc .
with them ! The rest of us will stay &amp; work on solving the problems of , eg , Global Warming , Human Overpopulation , Species Depletion , Making various Renewable Energies work , Reducing Poverty &amp; getting Mining companies to create great Robot " Key-Hole " Mining Systems ( that will do - for Mining - what Robot Surgery has done for human patients ) , etc .
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and let them - in time - take anybody, who embraces war, terrorism, etc.
with them!The rest of us will stay &amp; work on solving the problems of, eg, Global Warming, Human Overpopulation, Species Depletion, Making various Renewable Energies work, Reducing Poverty &amp; getting Mining companies to create great Robot "Key-Hole" Mining Systems (that will do - for Mining - what Robot Surgery has done for human patients), etc.
:-)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30075028</id>
	<title>Manned missions?</title>
	<author>divisionbyzero</author>
	<datestamp>1258050360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good.  With the focus now on probes and robots maybe they can stop talking about the idiotic idea of sending people there.  I'd rather see them dump the money into developing human-like androids to send to Mars than planning and paying to send humans.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good .
With the focus now on probes and robots maybe they can stop talking about the idiotic idea of sending people there .
I 'd rather see them dump the money into developing human-like androids to send to Mars than planning and paying to send humans .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good.
With the focus now on probes and robots maybe they can stop talking about the idiotic idea of sending people there.
I'd rather see them dump the money into developing human-like androids to send to Mars than planning and paying to send humans.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30073578</id>
	<title>Humanity's Current Trip To Mars</title>
	<author>Ukab the Great</author>
	<datestamp>1258045140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is like a multi-billion dollar Harold and Kumar movie.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is like a multi-billion dollar Harold and Kumar movie .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is like a multi-billion dollar Harold and Kumar movie.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30073636</id>
	<title>Cooperation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258045440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As long as they agree on one set of units it should be fine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As long as they agree on one set of units it should be fine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As long as they agree on one set of units it should be fine.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30074176</id>
	<title>Re:First things first.</title>
	<author>Marcika</author>
	<datestamp>1258047900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> Less than half a penny out of every tax dollar goes to NASA. 5 cents goes to the 'global war on Terror.'

[see: <a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ef/Fy2008spendingbycategory.png" title="wikimedia.org">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ef/Fy2008spendingbycategory.png</a> [wikimedia.org]</p> </div><p>And 5c/$ underestimates it quite a bit -- since DOD spending would also be vastly less without the GWoT, not to speak of DHS spending, big chunks of the Department of VA's costs, and the interest on the debt created by a half-trillion of GWoT-related costs in past budgets...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Less than half a penny out of every tax dollar goes to NASA .
5 cents goes to the 'global war on Terror .
' [ see : http : //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ef/Fy2008spendingbycategory.png [ wikimedia.org ] And 5c/ $ underestimates it quite a bit -- since DOD spending would also be vastly less without the GWoT , not to speak of DHS spending , big chunks of the Department of VA 's costs , and the interest on the debt created by a half-trillion of GWoT-related costs in past budgets.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Less than half a penny out of every tax dollar goes to NASA.
5 cents goes to the 'global war on Terror.
'

[see: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ef/Fy2008spendingbycategory.png [wikimedia.org] And 5c/$ underestimates it quite a bit -- since DOD spending would also be vastly less without the GWoT, not to speak of DHS spending, big chunks of the Department of VA's costs, and the interest on the debt created by a half-trillion of GWoT-related costs in past budgets...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30073692</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30076024</id>
	<title>Re:BIG WASTE OF MONEY</title>
	<author>IrquiM</author>
	<datestamp>1258053360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One of the reasons to go to Mars and explore, is to be able to understand this Spaceship Earth better. We might also be able to offload a few things from Earth to Mars in the future.</p><p>And - Space is a waste you say? Not compared to the so-called War against Terror.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One of the reasons to go to Mars and explore , is to be able to understand this Spaceship Earth better .
We might also be able to offload a few things from Earth to Mars in the future.And - Space is a waste you say ?
Not compared to the so-called War against Terror .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of the reasons to go to Mars and explore, is to be able to understand this Spaceship Earth better.
We might also be able to offload a few things from Earth to Mars in the future.And - Space is a waste you say?
Not compared to the so-called War against Terror.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30074974</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30074120</id>
	<title>Re:Cooperation</title>
	<author>lul\_wat</author>
	<datestamp>1258047660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>And not install the altitude sensor upside down</htmltext>
<tokenext>And not install the altitude sensor upside down</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And not install the altitude sensor upside down</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30073636</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30073928</id>
	<title>Re:First things first.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258046880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just Mandate that anyone taking government assistance must live on the moon or mars, this will solve ALL of our problems.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just Mandate that anyone taking government assistance must live on the moon or mars , this will solve ALL of our problems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just Mandate that anyone taking government assistance must live on the moon or mars, this will solve ALL of our problems.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30073692</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30073584</id>
	<title>precious</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258045200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i wants it, and its my birthday</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i wants it , and its my birthday</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i wants it, and its my birthday</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30074974</id>
	<title>BIG WASTE OF MONEY</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258050240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>NASA needs to stop wasting taxpayer money on this stupidity.  Yeah, it's cool, but there's not one practical benefit to studying Mars when astronauts and cosmonauts get their panties in a bunch over a fucking toilet.<br> <br>
Demonstrate that you can manage Spaceship Earth before you go fucking around with other planets.<br> <br>
Pardon the French, this waste aggravates.</htmltext>
<tokenext>NASA needs to stop wasting taxpayer money on this stupidity .
Yeah , it 's cool , but there 's not one practical benefit to studying Mars when astronauts and cosmonauts get their panties in a bunch over a fucking toilet .
Demonstrate that you can manage Spaceship Earth before you go fucking around with other planets .
Pardon the French , this waste aggravates .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NASA needs to stop wasting taxpayer money on this stupidity.
Yeah, it's cool, but there's not one practical benefit to studying Mars when astronauts and cosmonauts get their panties in a bunch over a fucking toilet.
Demonstrate that you can manage Spaceship Earth before you go fucking around with other planets.
Pardon the French, this waste aggravates.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30074628</id>
	<title>Re:China/Japan/russia</title>
	<author>rockNme2349</author>
	<datestamp>1258049460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If getting to Mars is a serious scientific venture and not a cock swinging contest, why not work with them as well?</p></div><p>Indeed.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If getting to Mars is a serious scientific venture and not a cock swinging contest , why not work with them as well ? Indeed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If getting to Mars is a serious scientific venture and not a cock swinging contest, why not work with them as well?Indeed.
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30074446</id>
	<title>(plus 0ne Informative)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258048800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>obsessives an3 the while the 4roject</htmltext>
<tokenext>obsessives an3 the while the 4roject</tokentext>
<sentencetext>obsessives an3 the while the 4roject</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30073980</id>
	<title>China/Japan/russia</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258047120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>China seam to have more money to throw about, I hear Japan are pretty good at technology and russia seam to be the goto guys if you want something launched. If getting to Mars is a serious scientific venture and not a cock swinging contest, why not work with them as well?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>China seam to have more money to throw about , I hear Japan are pretty good at technology and russia seam to be the goto guys if you want something launched .
If getting to Mars is a serious scientific venture and not a cock swinging contest , why not work with them as well ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>China seam to have more money to throw about, I hear Japan are pretty good at technology and russia seam to be the goto guys if you want something launched.
If getting to Mars is a serious scientific venture and not a cock swinging contest, why not work with them as well?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30074080</id>
	<title>Go to Mars</title>
	<author>Shivetya</author>
	<datestamp>1258047540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just wait until you don't have to borrow the money to do so.</p><p>The US needs to figure out its side of the equation, what is more important, buying votes or science?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just wait until you do n't have to borrow the money to do so.The US needs to figure out its side of the equation , what is more important , buying votes or science ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just wait until you don't have to borrow the money to do so.The US needs to figure out its side of the equation, what is more important, buying votes or science?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30074020</id>
	<title>Re:First things first.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258047360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When moon men and Martians start to directly threaten my life and my freedoms then I will see your comparison of the two.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When moon men and Martians start to directly threaten my life and my freedoms then I will see your comparison of the two .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When moon men and Martians start to directly threaten my life and my freedoms then I will see your comparison of the two.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30087272</id>
	<title>Re:First things first.</title>
	<author>commodore64\_love</author>
	<datestamp>1258130160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;&gt;Perhaps investing in developing the new technologies we would need to get our asses to Mars would create all sorts of new jobs.</p><p>"Yes sir. We created all kinds of jobs. They cost a million dollars each and only pay around 0.1 million each, but hey, at least they are working."  -   I think I'm going to go break some windows now, so I can create work for glaziers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; &gt; Perhaps investing in developing the new technologies we would need to get our asses to Mars would create all sorts of new jobs .
" Yes sir .
We created all kinds of jobs .
They cost a million dollars each and only pay around 0.1 million each , but hey , at least they are working .
" - I think I 'm going to go break some windows now , so I can create work for glaziers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;&gt;Perhaps investing in developing the new technologies we would need to get our asses to Mars would create all sorts of new jobs.
"Yes sir.
We created all kinds of jobs.
They cost a million dollars each and only pay around 0.1 million each, but hey, at least they are working.
"  -   I think I'm going to go break some windows now, so I can create work for glaziers.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30073922</id>
	<title>Re:First things first.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258046880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>We could send the unemployed people to Mars. That would help solve the unemployment problem. Now, with the deficit and energy, that's a little harder...</htmltext>
<tokenext>We could send the unemployed people to Mars .
That would help solve the unemployment problem .
Now , with the deficit and energy , that 's a little harder.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We could send the unemployed people to Mars.
That would help solve the unemployment problem.
Now, with the deficit and energy, that's a little harder...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30074328</id>
	<title>Re:Euro Agency == unconstitutional?</title>
	<author>camperdave</author>
	<datestamp>1258048320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>For that matter, where does the U.S.C. give power to Congress to create NASA? Hmmm.</i> <br> <br>
Well... Article 1, Section 8: "The Congress shall have power to...promote the progress of science and useful arts".</htmltext>
<tokenext>For that matter , where does the U.S.C .
give power to Congress to create NASA ?
Hmmm . Well... Article 1 , Section 8 : " The Congress shall have power to...promote the progress of science and useful arts " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For that matter, where does the U.S.C.
give power to Congress to create NASA?
Hmmm.  
Well... Article 1, Section 8: "The Congress shall have power to...promote the progress of science and useful arts".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30076498</id>
	<title>Re:Let them Go to Mars... ;-)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258054860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sounds like a good idea. Don't screw up Earth too much while the grownups are gone. I wonder who you'll blame when the problems of Earth keep on going despite the removal of everyone you thought was at fault?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like a good idea .
Do n't screw up Earth too much while the grownups are gone .
I wonder who you 'll blame when the problems of Earth keep on going despite the removal of everyone you thought was at fault ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like a good idea.
Don't screw up Earth too much while the grownups are gone.
I wonder who you'll blame when the problems of Earth keep on going despite the removal of everyone you thought was at fault?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30073672</id>
	<title>Re:First things first.</title>
	<author>nuclearpenguins</author>
	<datestamp>1258045620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Perhaps investing in developing the new technologies we would need to get our asses to Mars would create all sorts of new jobs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps investing in developing the new technologies we would need to get our asses to Mars would create all sorts of new jobs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps investing in developing the new technologies we would need to get our asses to Mars would create all sorts of new jobs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30073572</id>
	<title>Private Sector can Do it Cheaper</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258045140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The private sector can do this with 2 tabs of ecstacy, 3 hits of acid, and a joint of kind bud for when you come down.</p><p>The private sector could send 2 people to Mars for under $100. NASA and other government bureaucracies will never be able to compete with those kind of prices.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The private sector can do this with 2 tabs of ecstacy , 3 hits of acid , and a joint of kind bud for when you come down.The private sector could send 2 people to Mars for under $ 100 .
NASA and other government bureaucracies will never be able to compete with those kind of prices .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The private sector can do this with 2 tabs of ecstacy, 3 hits of acid, and a joint of kind bud for when you come down.The private sector could send 2 people to Mars for under $100.
NASA and other government bureaucracies will never be able to compete with those kind of prices.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30082532</id>
	<title>Re:Manned missions?</title>
	<author>divisionbyzero</author>
	<datestamp>1258038120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Flamebait?  Some people are so weird.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Flamebait ?
Some people are so weird .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Flamebait?
Some people are so weird.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30076440</id>
	<title>Re:Euro Agency == unconstitutional?</title>
	<author>BlackSnake112</author>
	<datestamp>1258054680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Before NASA was NASA, that section was part of the US Air force.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Before NASA was NASA , that section was part of the US Air force .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Before NASA was NASA, that section was part of the US Air force.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30073598</id>
	<title>First things first.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258045260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Perhaps the U.S. should solve its unemployment, deficit, and sustainable energy problems before thinking about this.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps the U.S. should solve its unemployment , deficit , and sustainable energy problems before thinking about this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps the U.S. should solve its unemployment, deficit, and sustainable energy problems before thinking about this.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30080956</id>
	<title>Re:BIG WASTE OF MONEY</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258027800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yep, that is what they use to say to Christopher Columbus before he jumped in his boat....  Why waste money looking for other lands when we have enough problems here at home.....</p><p>On second thoughts considering what "Advances" USA has brought to the world, maybe they were right.</p><p>P</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yep , that is what they use to say to Christopher Columbus before he jumped in his boat.... Why waste money looking for other lands when we have enough problems here at home.....On second thoughts considering what " Advances " USA has brought to the world , maybe they were right.P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yep, that is what they use to say to Christopher Columbus before he jumped in his boat....  Why waste money looking for other lands when we have enough problems here at home.....On second thoughts considering what "Advances" USA has brought to the world, maybe they were right.P</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30087924</id>
	<title>Wheres my landing and colony :0)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258133400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good to see cooperation in this area, but why now extend the plan to a landing and Mars Orbit station, thence station to colony, even is further out time-wise. Need goal to keep funding.  If it looks like it just a search for primitive life or raw science (not doubting the utility, just being realistic), it will face tougher funding challenges.  If the plan's end result is a perminant presence on the red planet, then it will be more inspirational?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good to see cooperation in this area , but why now extend the plan to a landing and Mars Orbit station , thence station to colony , even is further out time-wise .
Need goal to keep funding .
If it looks like it just a search for primitive life or raw science ( not doubting the utility , just being realistic ) , it will face tougher funding challenges .
If the plan 's end result is a perminant presence on the red planet , then it will be more inspirational ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good to see cooperation in this area, but why now extend the plan to a landing and Mars Orbit station, thence station to colony, even is further out time-wise.
Need goal to keep funding.
If it looks like it just a search for primitive life or raw science (not doubting the utility, just being realistic), it will face tougher funding challenges.
If the plan's end result is a perminant presence on the red planet, then it will be more inspirational?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30080408</id>
	<title>Re:Euro Agency == unconstitutional?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258025520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not sure, but I suspect that you picked up a virus from loving that commodore64. It is obvious that your logic and most likely your brain is gone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not sure , but I suspect that you picked up a virus from loving that commodore64 .
It is obvious that your logic and most likely your brain is gone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not sure, but I suspect that you picked up a virus from loving that commodore64.
It is obvious that your logic and most likely your brain is gone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30074172</id>
	<title>Flamebait</title>
	<author>RiotingPacifist</author>
	<datestamp>1258047900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I disagree entirely with this comment but flamebait? I Think it is a valid concern, a stupid one given the NASA is a fraction of the US's Budget but not flamebait. stop modding by agree/disagree!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I disagree entirely with this comment but flamebait ?
I Think it is a valid concern , a stupid one given the NASA is a fraction of the US 's Budget but not flamebait .
stop modding by agree/disagree !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I disagree entirely with this comment but flamebait?
I Think it is a valid concern, a stupid one given the NASA is a fraction of the US's Budget but not flamebait.
stop modding by agree/disagree!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30073590</id>
	<title>My Two Kids Want To Go To Mars</title>
	<author>jbeaupre</author>
	<datestamp>1258045200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>My 3 year old and 2 year old are aiming to cooperate on all manner of Lego robotic orbiters, landers and exploration devices for a future trip to Mars. Specifically, they recently agreed to consider the establishment of a new joint initiative to define and implement their scientific, programmatic, and technological goals for the exploration of Mars. The program would focus on several launch opportunities with Lego landers and orbiters conducting astrobiological, geological, geophysical, climatological, and other high-priority investigations and aiming at returning samples from Mars this weekend.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My 3 year old and 2 year old are aiming to cooperate on all manner of Lego robotic orbiters , landers and exploration devices for a future trip to Mars .
Specifically , they recently agreed to consider the establishment of a new joint initiative to define and implement their scientific , programmatic , and technological goals for the exploration of Mars .
The program would focus on several launch opportunities with Lego landers and orbiters conducting astrobiological , geological , geophysical , climatological , and other high-priority investigations and aiming at returning samples from Mars this weekend .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My 3 year old and 2 year old are aiming to cooperate on all manner of Lego robotic orbiters, landers and exploration devices for a future trip to Mars.
Specifically, they recently agreed to consider the establishment of a new joint initiative to define and implement their scientific, programmatic, and technological goals for the exploration of Mars.
The program would focus on several launch opportunities with Lego landers and orbiters conducting astrobiological, geological, geophysical, climatological, and other high-priority investigations and aiming at returning samples from Mars this weekend.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30074352</id>
	<title>Fp fago8z</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258048440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>guy6s are 0sually</htmltext>
<tokenext>guy6s are 0sually</tokentext>
<sentencetext>guy6s are 0sually</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30073724</id>
	<title>Why?</title>
	<author>allknowingfrog</author>
	<datestamp>1258045920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Obviously space exploration has fueled a great deal of technological advancement in the U.S., but are there any other reasons to go to Mars? I know we like to explore and whatnot, but space exploration is an expensive pass-time. If technological advancement is the only practical benefit, let's just spend money directly on technological research instead of touting it as a positive side-effect.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Obviously space exploration has fueled a great deal of technological advancement in the U.S. , but are there any other reasons to go to Mars ?
I know we like to explore and whatnot , but space exploration is an expensive pass-time .
If technological advancement is the only practical benefit , let 's just spend money directly on technological research instead of touting it as a positive side-effect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obviously space exploration has fueled a great deal of technological advancement in the U.S., but are there any other reasons to go to Mars?
I know we like to explore and whatnot, but space exploration is an expensive pass-time.
If technological advancement is the only practical benefit, let's just spend money directly on technological research instead of touting it as a positive side-effect.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30073692</id>
	<title>Re:First things first.</title>
	<author>FlyingSquidStudios</author>
	<datestamp>1258045800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>NASA's budget is such a small fraction of the overall budget ($17.318 billion out of $2.9 trillion in 2008) that it really has very little effect on the economy. If you want to worry about the U.S. economy, fighting two different expensive wars is a much bigger problem. Less than half a penny out of every tax dollar goes to NASA. 5 cents goes to the 'global war on Terror.'

[see: <a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ef/Fy2008spendingbycategory.png\%5D" title="wikimedia.org">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ef/Fy2008spendingbycategory.png\%5D</a> [wikimedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>NASA 's budget is such a small fraction of the overall budget ( $ 17.318 billion out of $ 2.9 trillion in 2008 ) that it really has very little effect on the economy .
If you want to worry about the U.S. economy , fighting two different expensive wars is a much bigger problem .
Less than half a penny out of every tax dollar goes to NASA .
5 cents goes to the 'global war on Terror .
' [ see : http : //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ef/Fy2008spendingbycategory.png \ % 5D [ wikimedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NASA's budget is such a small fraction of the overall budget ($17.318 billion out of $2.9 trillion in 2008) that it really has very little effect on the economy.
If you want to worry about the U.S. economy, fighting two different expensive wars is a much bigger problem.
Less than half a penny out of every tax dollar goes to NASA.
5 cents goes to the 'global war on Terror.
'

[see: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ef/Fy2008spendingbycategory.png\%5D [wikimedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30074456</id>
	<title>Re:First things first.</title>
	<author>Orleron</author>
	<datestamp>1258048800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I suppose for energy we could burn unemployed people as fuel.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I suppose for energy we could burn unemployed people as fuel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suppose for energy we could burn unemployed people as fuel.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30077984</id>
	<title>Establishing a public space venture</title>
	<author>IronDragon</author>
	<datestamp>1258016820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>NASA's budget of about 17 billion sounds like a fair amount - more so than any private venture could hope to raise.</p><p>However, consider that the US market for cell phones and related service is expected to top about 37 billion for 2009.  Ringtones alone account for about half a billion.</p><p>Sales of Subway's "5 dollar footlongs" have amounted to around 2.6 billion so far.</p><p>I really do not consider money to be the issue blocking space access.  Remember, the Mercury, Gemini, Apollo, and shuttle programs were all funded by US taxpayers.  And if you want a better example, realize that we bought the Internet with only 2 decades worth of disposable income.   The public is the real driving force behind funding these sorts of things.  We spend more on cell phones in 4 years than the Apollo program did in 10.</p><p>This is why I am developing the Open Space Movement.  Basically, a collaborative development environment + educational resource/reference library + vendor marketplace + funding aggregation point to allow people to publish any sort of project which may be tested, prototyped, and produced for use within a series of public space ventures.</p><p>If anyone is interested in this, drop a line to openspacemovement @ gmail.com</p><p>We have recently filed for incorporation, and will file for non-profit 501(c)3 status upon receipt of our paperwork.  Our website is currently under development at www.osmdevel.org.  Register and make use of the forums if you wish.  We plan to migrate things to the live site within the next few weeks.</p><p>We hope this will be useful for everybody.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>NASA 's budget of about 17 billion sounds like a fair amount - more so than any private venture could hope to raise.However , consider that the US market for cell phones and related service is expected to top about 37 billion for 2009 .
Ringtones alone account for about half a billion.Sales of Subway 's " 5 dollar footlongs " have amounted to around 2.6 billion so far.I really do not consider money to be the issue blocking space access .
Remember , the Mercury , Gemini , Apollo , and shuttle programs were all funded by US taxpayers .
And if you want a better example , realize that we bought the Internet with only 2 decades worth of disposable income .
The public is the real driving force behind funding these sorts of things .
We spend more on cell phones in 4 years than the Apollo program did in 10.This is why I am developing the Open Space Movement .
Basically , a collaborative development environment + educational resource/reference library + vendor marketplace + funding aggregation point to allow people to publish any sort of project which may be tested , prototyped , and produced for use within a series of public space ventures.If anyone is interested in this , drop a line to openspacemovement @ gmail.comWe have recently filed for incorporation , and will file for non-profit 501 ( c ) 3 status upon receipt of our paperwork .
Our website is currently under development at www.osmdevel.org .
Register and make use of the forums if you wish .
We plan to migrate things to the live site within the next few weeks.We hope this will be useful for everybody .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NASA's budget of about 17 billion sounds like a fair amount - more so than any private venture could hope to raise.However, consider that the US market for cell phones and related service is expected to top about 37 billion for 2009.
Ringtones alone account for about half a billion.Sales of Subway's "5 dollar footlongs" have amounted to around 2.6 billion so far.I really do not consider money to be the issue blocking space access.
Remember, the Mercury, Gemini, Apollo, and shuttle programs were all funded by US taxpayers.
And if you want a better example, realize that we bought the Internet with only 2 decades worth of disposable income.
The public is the real driving force behind funding these sorts of things.
We spend more on cell phones in 4 years than the Apollo program did in 10.This is why I am developing the Open Space Movement.
Basically, a collaborative development environment + educational resource/reference library + vendor marketplace + funding aggregation point to allow people to publish any sort of project which may be tested, prototyped, and produced for use within a series of public space ventures.If anyone is interested in this, drop a line to openspacemovement @ gmail.comWe have recently filed for incorporation, and will file for non-profit 501(c)3 status upon receipt of our paperwork.
Our website is currently under development at www.osmdevel.org.
Register and make use of the forums if you wish.
We plan to migrate things to the live site within the next few weeks.We hope this will be useful for everybody.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30073790</id>
	<title>Re:Cooperation</title>
	<author>commodore64\_love</author>
	<datestamp>1258046280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>(Mars lander smacks into planet at ballistic speeds)</p><p>"I don't understand.  By my calculations 1000 foot-pounds was enough thrust to bring the lander to soft landing." - NASA engineer</p><p>"Foot-pounds?  What the hell are they?  I I built the rockets for maximum 1000 newton thrust." - ESA engineer</p><p>"Oooops."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>( Mars lander smacks into planet at ballistic speeds ) " I do n't understand .
By my calculations 1000 foot-pounds was enough thrust to bring the lander to soft landing .
" - NASA engineer " Foot-pounds ?
What the hell are they ?
I I built the rockets for maximum 1000 newton thrust .
" - ESA engineer " Oooops .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(Mars lander smacks into planet at ballistic speeds)"I don't understand.
By my calculations 1000 foot-pounds was enough thrust to bring the lander to soft landing.
" - NASA engineer"Foot-pounds?
What the hell are they?
I I built the rockets for maximum 1000 newton thrust.
" - ESA engineer"Oooops.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30074904</id>
	<title>Re:China/Japan/russia</title>
	<author>J\_Omega</author>
	<datestamp>1258050120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sometimes serious scientific ventures are ALSO cock swinging contests.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sometimes serious scientific ventures are ALSO cock swinging contests .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sometimes serious scientific ventures are ALSO cock swinging contests.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30076392</id>
	<title>Re:China/Japan/russia</title>
	<author>Tablizer</author>
	<datestamp>1258054500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> If getting to Mars is a serious scientific venture and not a cock swinging contest, why not work with them as well?</p></div></blockquote><p>It's <b>not</b> serious science, but rather a PR game. Remote-control robots are much cheaper and obviously safer for collecting materials. A few will disagree, but remote robots have potentially better vision than on-site humans and more experts to review the images before selecting.</p><p>Being slow is not a problem: the tortoise wins this one. But things may be faster than MER (current bots) if there's a separate survey bot and collection bot. The nimbler survey bot pre-screens candidate samples and the collection bot comes in behind to scoop up the picks. Perhaps have 2 survey bots per single collection bot.</p><p>Plus, we have to <b>make damn sure well there's no life on Mars before sending humans</b>. The only way is bring back samples from multiple sites first, and this requires RC robots. After this is done, we'll have already done what the humans were supposed to do: collect samples to bring back to Earth.</p><p>The planners have not thought this through all the way yet.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If getting to Mars is a serious scientific venture and not a cock swinging contest , why not work with them as well ? It 's not serious science , but rather a PR game .
Remote-control robots are much cheaper and obviously safer for collecting materials .
A few will disagree , but remote robots have potentially better vision than on-site humans and more experts to review the images before selecting.Being slow is not a problem : the tortoise wins this one .
But things may be faster than MER ( current bots ) if there 's a separate survey bot and collection bot .
The nimbler survey bot pre-screens candidate samples and the collection bot comes in behind to scoop up the picks .
Perhaps have 2 survey bots per single collection bot.Plus , we have to make damn sure well there 's no life on Mars before sending humans .
The only way is bring back samples from multiple sites first , and this requires RC robots .
After this is done , we 'll have already done what the humans were supposed to do : collect samples to bring back to Earth.The planners have not thought this through all the way yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> If getting to Mars is a serious scientific venture and not a cock swinging contest, why not work with them as well?It's not serious science, but rather a PR game.
Remote-control robots are much cheaper and obviously safer for collecting materials.
A few will disagree, but remote robots have potentially better vision than on-site humans and more experts to review the images before selecting.Being slow is not a problem: the tortoise wins this one.
But things may be faster than MER (current bots) if there's a separate survey bot and collection bot.
The nimbler survey bot pre-screens candidate samples and the collection bot comes in behind to scoop up the picks.
Perhaps have 2 survey bots per single collection bot.Plus, we have to make damn sure well there's no life on Mars before sending humans.
The only way is bring back samples from multiple sites first, and this requires RC robots.
After this is done, we'll have already done what the humans were supposed to do: collect samples to bring back to Earth.The planners have not thought this through all the way yet.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30076980</id>
	<title>If they really want to go, then....</title>
	<author>WindBourne</author>
	<datestamp>1258056600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>they NEED commercial space. In particular, they need Bigelow to build their units and test them in space here as well as transporting to the moon, and then living on the moon. We need to have better tested equipment. Finally, we need to skip the idea of sending a mission there AND then coming back. It should be ONE WAY ONLY.</htmltext>
<tokenext>they NEED commercial space .
In particular , they need Bigelow to build their units and test them in space here as well as transporting to the moon , and then living on the moon .
We need to have better tested equipment .
Finally , we need to skip the idea of sending a mission there AND then coming back .
It should be ONE WAY ONLY .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>they NEED commercial space.
In particular, they need Bigelow to build their units and test them in space here as well as transporting to the moon, and then living on the moon.
We need to have better tested equipment.
Finally, we need to skip the idea of sending a mission there AND then coming back.
It should be ONE WAY ONLY.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30073644</id>
	<title>France delivers Camembert Drive</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258045440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>France delivers Camembert Drive<br>--</p><p>Paris, France: The French division of ESA has developed a new high-speed spaceship drive based around the repulsive nature of Camembert, and kinetic energy derived from the French snootily sticking their noses into the air.</p><p>Coming soon after their Escargot module - a module that can only produce snails for food - this cements France's place on the international space technology table.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>France delivers Camembert Drive--Paris , France : The French division of ESA has developed a new high-speed spaceship drive based around the repulsive nature of Camembert , and kinetic energy derived from the French snootily sticking their noses into the air.Coming soon after their Escargot module - a module that can only produce snails for food - this cements France 's place on the international space technology table .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>France delivers Camembert Drive--Paris, France: The French division of ESA has developed a new high-speed spaceship drive based around the repulsive nature of Camembert, and kinetic energy derived from the French snootily sticking their noses into the air.Coming soon after their Escargot module - a module that can only produce snails for food - this cements France's place on the international space technology table.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30082688</id>
	<title>Re:China/Japan/russia</title>
	<author>MtViewGuy</author>
	<datestamp>1258039800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But the problem with China is they're still at least a decade away from building a rocket big enough to carry a sizable probe to Mars. Meanwhile, the US can do it with the Atlas V rocket or Delta IV Heavy rocket, Russia can do with the latest Proton rocket, and the Europeans can do it with the Ariane V rocket.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But the problem with China is they 're still at least a decade away from building a rocket big enough to carry a sizable probe to Mars .
Meanwhile , the US can do it with the Atlas V rocket or Delta IV Heavy rocket , Russia can do with the latest Proton rocket , and the Europeans can do it with the Ariane V rocket .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But the problem with China is they're still at least a decade away from building a rocket big enough to carry a sizable probe to Mars.
Meanwhile, the US can do it with the Atlas V rocket or Delta IV Heavy rocket, Russia can do with the latest Proton rocket, and the Europeans can do it with the Ariane V rocket.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30073896</id>
	<title>Did NASA take their stupid pills again?</title>
	<author>gestalt\_n\_pepper</author>
	<datestamp>1258046760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Getting to Mars is expensive and essentially pointless. It's a big dry, inhospitable place at the bottom of a f***ing gravity well and farther from the sun than we are. Less power. Less consumables. Less everything that would matter to a human.</p><p>Near earth orbit, conversely, could be exploited for power, provide living space in the form of sustainable habitats, and can be used for zero G industries, hospitals, hotels, etc.</p><p>So, tell me again, please, aside from some scientific interest, why the F*** does anybody want to spend BILLIONS to explore Mars?</p><p>Thought question of the day: If we discovered tomorrow that there was primitive life on Mars, what difference would it make, really?</p><p>Let the flames begin!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Getting to Mars is expensive and essentially pointless .
It 's a big dry , inhospitable place at the bottom of a f * * * ing gravity well and farther from the sun than we are .
Less power .
Less consumables .
Less everything that would matter to a human.Near earth orbit , conversely , could be exploited for power , provide living space in the form of sustainable habitats , and can be used for zero G industries , hospitals , hotels , etc.So , tell me again , please , aside from some scientific interest , why the F * * * does anybody want to spend BILLIONS to explore Mars ? Thought question of the day : If we discovered tomorrow that there was primitive life on Mars , what difference would it make , really ? Let the flames begin !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Getting to Mars is expensive and essentially pointless.
It's a big dry, inhospitable place at the bottom of a f***ing gravity well and farther from the sun than we are.
Less power.
Less consumables.
Less everything that would matter to a human.Near earth orbit, conversely, could be exploited for power, provide living space in the form of sustainable habitats, and can be used for zero G industries, hospitals, hotels, etc.So, tell me again, please, aside from some scientific interest, why the F*** does anybody want to spend BILLIONS to explore Mars?Thought question of the day: If we discovered tomorrow that there was primitive life on Mars, what difference would it make, really?Let the flames begin!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30077916</id>
	<title>Re:BIG WASTE OF MONEY</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258016580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe the USA needs to stop wasting taxpayer money on even bigger stupidity. I am of course, talking about the Iraq war etc. Yeah, it's cool, but there's not one practical benefit to beating them into submission when the oil will run out eventually anyway.</p><p>Stop fighting useless and expensive wars. The NASA will be able to keep it's lousy budget and you'll have more money to pay off your national debts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe the USA needs to stop wasting taxpayer money on even bigger stupidity .
I am of course , talking about the Iraq war etc .
Yeah , it 's cool , but there 's not one practical benefit to beating them into submission when the oil will run out eventually anyway.Stop fighting useless and expensive wars .
The NASA will be able to keep it 's lousy budget and you 'll have more money to pay off your national debts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe the USA needs to stop wasting taxpayer money on even bigger stupidity.
I am of course, talking about the Iraq war etc.
Yeah, it's cool, but there's not one practical benefit to beating them into submission when the oil will run out eventually anyway.Stop fighting useless and expensive wars.
The NASA will be able to keep it's lousy budget and you'll have more money to pay off your national debts.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30075722</id>
	<title>Who determines what 'high priority' is?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258052340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you put it to a vote, what do you think the results would be on going to Mars versus making sure kids had enough to eat?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you put it to a vote , what do you think the results would be on going to Mars versus making sure kids had enough to eat ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you put it to a vote, what do you think the results would be on going to Mars versus making sure kids had enough to eat?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30079444</id>
	<title>Re:China/Japan/russia</title>
	<author>physburn</author>
	<datestamp>1258022280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A global Mars mission would certainly have the sort of budget we'd need for a manned mission, and we've managed (just) to
run an international station (without china though). However the more partners in the group, the more politics the more
potential incompatiblity between different components. In someways it makes sense to go on from an International
space station, to an international moon base, to an international mission to mars. Up to the politians first, and the
trouble is that the often go back upon what they say.
<p>
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</p><p>
<a href="http://www.feeddistiller.com/blogs/space\%20craft/feed.html" title="feeddistiller.com">Space Craft</a> [feeddistiller.com] Feed @ <a href="http://www.feeddistiller.com/" title="feeddistiller.com">Feed Distiller</a> [feeddistiller.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A global Mars mission would certainly have the sort of budget we 'd need for a manned mission , and we 've managed ( just ) to run an international station ( without china though ) .
However the more partners in the group , the more politics the more potential incompatiblity between different components .
In someways it makes sense to go on from an International space station , to an international moon base , to an international mission to mars .
Up to the politians first , and the trouble is that the often go back upon what they say .
--- Space Craft [ feeddistiller.com ] Feed @ Feed Distiller [ feeddistiller.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A global Mars mission would certainly have the sort of budget we'd need for a manned mission, and we've managed (just) to
run an international station (without china though).
However the more partners in the group, the more politics the more
potential incompatiblity between different components.
In someways it makes sense to go on from an International
space station, to an international moon base, to an international mission to mars.
Up to the politians first, and the
trouble is that the often go back upon what they say.
---

Space Craft [feeddistiller.com] Feed @ Feed Distiller [feeddistiller.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30082354</id>
	<title>Re:Cooperation</title>
	<author>4181</author>
	<datestamp>1258036560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Comparing foot-pounds to newtons is like comparing tens of apples to dozens of oranges -- you have more than systems of measurement to be concerned about.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Comparing foot-pounds to newtons is like comparing tens of apples to dozens of oranges -- you have more than systems of measurement to be concerned about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Comparing foot-pounds to newtons is like comparing tens of apples to dozens of oranges -- you have more than systems of measurement to be concerned about.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30079146</id>
	<title>NASA, European Space Agency Want To Go To Mars</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258021200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>NASA, European Space Agency Want To Go To Mars</p></div></blockquote><p>Yeah? and I want a pony!  You can't always get what you want!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>NASA , European Space Agency Want To Go To MarsYeah ?
and I want a pony !
You ca n't always get what you want !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NASA, European Space Agency Want To Go To MarsYeah?
and I want a pony!
You can't always get what you want!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30073730</id>
	<title>awesome!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258045980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm glad to see this kind of teaming up, I always thought space should be a joint initiative between all the countries of the world much like Star trek or the International Space station. I think this is really exciting news personally.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm glad to see this kind of teaming up , I always thought space should be a joint initiative between all the countries of the world much like Star trek or the International Space station .
I think this is really exciting news personally .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm glad to see this kind of teaming up, I always thought space should be a joint initiative between all the countries of the world much like Star trek or the International Space station.
I think this is really exciting news personally.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_1415240.30077496</id>
	<title>Re:China/Japan/russia</title>
	<author>khallow</author>
	<datestamp>1258058400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The more parties you involve, the more difficult it becomes to get things down.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The more parties you involve , the more difficult it becomes to get things down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The more parties you involve, the more difficult it becomes to get things down.</sentencetext>
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