<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_12_0512235</id>
	<title><em>Mafia Wars</em> CEO Brags About Scamming Users</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1258017180000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="mailto:jamie@slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">jamie</a> writes with a follow-up to our recent discussion of <a href="http://slashdot.org/story/09/11/01/1421253/Scams-and-Social-Gaming">social gaming scams</a>:
<i>"Mark Pincus, CEO of the company that brought us <em>Mafia Wars</em>, says: 'I did <a href="http://consumerist.com/5400720/mafia-wars-ceo-brags-about-scamming-users-from-day-one">every horrible thing in the book</a> just to get revenues right away. I mean, we gave our users poker chips if they downloaded this Zwinky toolbar, which was like, I don't know... I downloaded it once and couldn't get rid of it.'"</i>
TechCrunch also ran a interesting tell-all from the CEO of a company specializing in Facebook advertisements, who provided some <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/01/how-to-spam-facebook-like-a-pro-an-insiders-confession/">details on similarly shady operations</a> at the popular social networking site.</htmltext>
<tokenext>jamie writes with a follow-up to our recent discussion of social gaming scams : " Mark Pincus , CEO of the company that brought us Mafia Wars , says : 'I did every horrible thing in the book just to get revenues right away .
I mean , we gave our users poker chips if they downloaded this Zwinky toolbar , which was like , I do n't know... I downloaded it once and could n't get rid of it .
' " TechCrunch also ran a interesting tell-all from the CEO of a company specializing in Facebook advertisements , who provided some details on similarly shady operations at the popular social networking site .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>jamie writes with a follow-up to our recent discussion of social gaming scams:
"Mark Pincus, CEO of the company that brought us Mafia Wars, says: 'I did every horrible thing in the book just to get revenues right away.
I mean, we gave our users poker chips if they downloaded this Zwinky toolbar, which was like, I don't know... I downloaded it once and couldn't get rid of it.
'"
TechCrunch also ran a interesting tell-all from the CEO of a company specializing in Facebook advertisements, who provided some details on similarly shady operations at the popular social networking site.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30070794</id>
	<title>Getting rid of toolbars</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258025580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I mean, we gave our users poker chips if they downloaded this Zwinky toolbar, which was like, I don't know... I downloaded it once and couldn't get rid of it.</p></div><p>Hijackthis would usually get rid of most toolbars. Firefox  toolbars are easier to get rid of.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I mean , we gave our users poker chips if they downloaded this Zwinky toolbar , which was like , I do n't know... I downloaded it once and could n't get rid of it.Hijackthis would usually get rid of most toolbars .
Firefox toolbars are easier to get rid of .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean, we gave our users poker chips if they downloaded this Zwinky toolbar, which was like, I don't know... I downloaded it once and couldn't get rid of it.Hijackthis would usually get rid of most toolbars.
Firefox  toolbars are easier to get rid of.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30070742</id>
	<title>They run the world.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258024620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bad thieves and scammers steal and scam, and get squashed.</p><p>Meh thieves and scammers steal and scam, and brag about it.</p><p>Great thieves and scammers steal and scam, and get public funding as well as election votes.</p><p>Why getting mad at this guy, while great scammers run the world?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bad thieves and scammers steal and scam , and get squashed.Meh thieves and scammers steal and scam , and brag about it.Great thieves and scammers steal and scam , and get public funding as well as election votes.Why getting mad at this guy , while great scammers run the world ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bad thieves and scammers steal and scam, and get squashed.Meh thieves and scammers steal and scam, and brag about it.Great thieves and scammers steal and scam, and get public funding as well as election votes.Why getting mad at this guy, while great scammers run the world?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30071604</id>
	<title>Re:Blaming "greed" accomplishes what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258036380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>until we use political channels to create new regulations</p></div><p>Economic channels, as well.  I know obvious stuff like taxation is a delusion because it's naive to think that somebody who would cheat their customers wouldn't also cheat the government.  Even charities these days are based on pushing agendas (albeit somewhat altruistic ones) of the big players and giving them tax shelters.

</p><p>What I think *would* make a difference is price controls on certain areas of the economy to make sure things stay affordable to families who make the average salary for the geographic region they live in.  For example, the *most* expensive house in a region should not be allowed to be sold for $AVERAGE\_ANNUAL\_INCOME * 7.  And this serves the double-benefit of helping to insulate us from housing bubbles.

</p><p>(Though, I guess this is rudimentarily an idea that needs to make its way through political channels, so your original assertions stands!)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>until we use political channels to create new regulationsEconomic channels , as well .
I know obvious stuff like taxation is a delusion because it 's naive to think that somebody who would cheat their customers would n't also cheat the government .
Even charities these days are based on pushing agendas ( albeit somewhat altruistic ones ) of the big players and giving them tax shelters .
What I think * would * make a difference is price controls on certain areas of the economy to make sure things stay affordable to families who make the average salary for the geographic region they live in .
For example , the * most * expensive house in a region should not be allowed to be sold for $ AVERAGE \ _ANNUAL \ _INCOME * 7 .
And this serves the double-benefit of helping to insulate us from housing bubbles .
( Though , I guess this is rudimentarily an idea that needs to make its way through political channels , so your original assertions stands !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>until we use political channels to create new regulationsEconomic channels, as well.
I know obvious stuff like taxation is a delusion because it's naive to think that somebody who would cheat their customers wouldn't also cheat the government.
Even charities these days are based on pushing agendas (albeit somewhat altruistic ones) of the big players and giving them tax shelters.
What I think *would* make a difference is price controls on certain areas of the economy to make sure things stay affordable to families who make the average salary for the geographic region they live in.
For example, the *most* expensive house in a region should not be allowed to be sold for $AVERAGE\_ANNUAL\_INCOME * 7.
And this serves the double-benefit of helping to insulate us from housing bubbles.
(Though, I guess this is rudimentarily an idea that needs to make its way through political channels, so your original assertions stands!
)
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	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30071062</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30071264</id>
	<title>Re:Does this surprise anyone?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258033440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Not even the nice applications are not annoying in some aspect.</i></p><p>Didn't anyone ever tell you that double-negatives are a real no-no?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not even the nice applications are not annoying in some aspect.Did n't anyone ever tell you that double-negatives are a real no-no ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not even the nice applications are not annoying in some aspect.Didn't anyone ever tell you that double-negatives are a real no-no?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30070488</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30071062</id>
	<title>Blaming "greed" accomplishes what?</title>
	<author>QuoteMstr</author>
	<datestamp>1258029840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whenever corporate mismanagement causes some calamity, people invariably decry the people responsible as "greedy bastards", "short-sighted morons", and so on. Although these statements are true, stating them is useless: greed, as a part of human nature, is here to stay. And organizations invariably elevate their most greedy and ambitious members because these are people are the ones who will exploit the rules to their advantage. Thus, given that greedy people will inevitably be in positions of power, we need to construct rules which ensure that this greed doesn't harm society. These rules need to make it the greedy party's interest to be a good participant in society.</p><p>We seem to ignore this principle. Over and over again, we fume and demand that companies and individuals be more responsible and respectful. Yet hardly anyone talks about implementing rules that would actually limit the damage.</p><p>A huge number of people believe that if society were just free of constraints, it'd organize itself into an efficient, elegant system and solve all our problems. That's wishful thinking. Greedy people will take advantage of inside connections, of special knowledge, and of outright dishonesty to screw over everyone else. And as much as we'd like to believe that the screwed will respond by researching their own information and leveling the playing field, doesn't actually happen, and won't.</p><p>First of all, even if everyone were equally capable, the screwing party has more time to research a particular type of transaction than the screwed party, so the asymmetry is really built-in. Second, not everyone is equally capable. As Larry Summers famously wrote, "There are idiots. Look around." Sometimes people can't help being idiots. Does that mean they <i>deserve</i> to be exploited? How far does that extend? Do people <i>deserve</i> to be exploited because they haven't studied browser security, or because they're not privy to office gossip, or because they don't have the social skills to network their way out of sticky situations?</p><p>We're going to keep seeing "X screwed over by powerful greedy person Y" stories until we use <i>political</i> channels to create new regulations that makes it in the best interests of the greedy to play nice with society. We can talk about the form these regulations should take. (IMHO, I think it's pretty clear we need far stronger privacy laws in the US.) What <i>won't<i> work is complaining that corporations are greedy. What <i>won't</i> work is trying to make laws while under the delusion that everyone is a rational actor with full access to relevant information. What <i>might</i> work is a determined effort to restore a sense of fair play and balance to our laws and institutions.</i></i></p><p><i><i>--</i></i></p><p><i><i>tl;dr: greed is a fact of life, and crying about it won't do any good. We need effective and strong regulation to prevent the greed that invariably appears from hurting the rest of us.</i></i></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whenever corporate mismanagement causes some calamity , people invariably decry the people responsible as " greedy bastards " , " short-sighted morons " , and so on .
Although these statements are true , stating them is useless : greed , as a part of human nature , is here to stay .
And organizations invariably elevate their most greedy and ambitious members because these are people are the ones who will exploit the rules to their advantage .
Thus , given that greedy people will inevitably be in positions of power , we need to construct rules which ensure that this greed does n't harm society .
These rules need to make it the greedy party 's interest to be a good participant in society.We seem to ignore this principle .
Over and over again , we fume and demand that companies and individuals be more responsible and respectful .
Yet hardly anyone talks about implementing rules that would actually limit the damage.A huge number of people believe that if society were just free of constraints , it 'd organize itself into an efficient , elegant system and solve all our problems .
That 's wishful thinking .
Greedy people will take advantage of inside connections , of special knowledge , and of outright dishonesty to screw over everyone else .
And as much as we 'd like to believe that the screwed will respond by researching their own information and leveling the playing field , does n't actually happen , and wo n't.First of all , even if everyone were equally capable , the screwing party has more time to research a particular type of transaction than the screwed party , so the asymmetry is really built-in .
Second , not everyone is equally capable .
As Larry Summers famously wrote , " There are idiots .
Look around .
" Sometimes people ca n't help being idiots .
Does that mean they deserve to be exploited ?
How far does that extend ?
Do people deserve to be exploited because they have n't studied browser security , or because they 're not privy to office gossip , or because they do n't have the social skills to network their way out of sticky situations ? We 're going to keep seeing " X screwed over by powerful greedy person Y " stories until we use political channels to create new regulations that makes it in the best interests of the greedy to play nice with society .
We can talk about the form these regulations should take .
( IMHO , I think it 's pretty clear we need far stronger privacy laws in the US .
) What wo n't work is complaining that corporations are greedy .
What wo n't work is trying to make laws while under the delusion that everyone is a rational actor with full access to relevant information .
What might work is a determined effort to restore a sense of fair play and balance to our laws and institutions.--tl ; dr : greed is a fact of life , and crying about it wo n't do any good .
We need effective and strong regulation to prevent the greed that invariably appears from hurting the rest of us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whenever corporate mismanagement causes some calamity, people invariably decry the people responsible as "greedy bastards", "short-sighted morons", and so on.
Although these statements are true, stating them is useless: greed, as a part of human nature, is here to stay.
And organizations invariably elevate their most greedy and ambitious members because these are people are the ones who will exploit the rules to their advantage.
Thus, given that greedy people will inevitably be in positions of power, we need to construct rules which ensure that this greed doesn't harm society.
These rules need to make it the greedy party's interest to be a good participant in society.We seem to ignore this principle.
Over and over again, we fume and demand that companies and individuals be more responsible and respectful.
Yet hardly anyone talks about implementing rules that would actually limit the damage.A huge number of people believe that if society were just free of constraints, it'd organize itself into an efficient, elegant system and solve all our problems.
That's wishful thinking.
Greedy people will take advantage of inside connections, of special knowledge, and of outright dishonesty to screw over everyone else.
And as much as we'd like to believe that the screwed will respond by researching their own information and leveling the playing field, doesn't actually happen, and won't.First of all, even if everyone were equally capable, the screwing party has more time to research a particular type of transaction than the screwed party, so the asymmetry is really built-in.
Second, not everyone is equally capable.
As Larry Summers famously wrote, "There are idiots.
Look around.
" Sometimes people can't help being idiots.
Does that mean they deserve to be exploited?
How far does that extend?
Do people deserve to be exploited because they haven't studied browser security, or because they're not privy to office gossip, or because they don't have the social skills to network their way out of sticky situations?We're going to keep seeing "X screwed over by powerful greedy person Y" stories until we use political channels to create new regulations that makes it in the best interests of the greedy to play nice with society.
We can talk about the form these regulations should take.
(IMHO, I think it's pretty clear we need far stronger privacy laws in the US.
) What won't work is complaining that corporations are greedy.
What won't work is trying to make laws while under the delusion that everyone is a rational actor with full access to relevant information.
What might work is a determined effort to restore a sense of fair play and balance to our laws and institutions.--tl;dr: greed is a fact of life, and crying about it won't do any good.
We need effective and strong regulation to prevent the greed that invariably appears from hurting the rest of us.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30072270</id>
	<title>Re:Blaming "greed" accomplishes what?</title>
	<author>fulldecent</author>
	<datestamp>1258039800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>so... if we could just find some un-greedy (thus by your definition, necessarily not-human) to make and enforce all the rules... then we would all be fine, right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>so... if we could just find some un-greedy ( thus by your definition , necessarily not-human ) to make and enforce all the rules... then we would all be fine , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>so... if we could just find some un-greedy (thus by your definition, necessarily not-human) to make and enforce all the rules... then we would all be fine, right?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30071062</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30071240</id>
	<title>I for one...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258033080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Would love to see this prick "sleep with the fishes".</htmltext>
<tokenext>Would love to see this prick " sleep with the fishes " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would love to see this prick "sleep with the fishes".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30096100</id>
	<title>Re:Mafia Wars is FREE</title>
	<author>ZerdZerd</author>
	<datestamp>1258195500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem is that some of those actions that you can do to get "tokens" are just a scam. They say it's just a free survey, but at the end of the survey they ask for your phone number to confirm that you've completed it, and then they just charge you $9.99 a month until you figure it out.<br><a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/10/31/scamville-the-social-gaming-ecosystem-of-hell/" title="techcrunch.com" rel="nofollow">Farmville did exactly that</a> [techcrunch.com], and I bet others do it too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is that some of those actions that you can do to get " tokens " are just a scam .
They say it 's just a free survey , but at the end of the survey they ask for your phone number to confirm that you 've completed it , and then they just charge you $ 9.99 a month until you figure it out.Farmville did exactly that [ techcrunch.com ] , and I bet others do it too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is that some of those actions that you can do to get "tokens" are just a scam.
They say it's just a free survey, but at the end of the survey they ask for your phone number to confirm that you've completed it, and then they just charge you $9.99 a month until you figure it out.Farmville did exactly that [techcrunch.com], and I bet others do it too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30071454</id>
	<title>Class action lawsuit ?</title>
	<author>Alain Williams</author>
	<datestamp>1258035180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Now that he has admitted this -- is there a case for a massive class lawsuit from people who have had this and wasted a lot of time as a result?
The point would be to bankrupt him and, hopefully, make such other scam artists think twice before trying something similar.<p>
What makes this different is the <b>intention</b> of this, as opposed to some bug.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now that he has admitted this -- is there a case for a massive class lawsuit from people who have had this and wasted a lot of time as a result ?
The point would be to bankrupt him and , hopefully , make such other scam artists think twice before trying something similar .
What makes this different is the intention of this , as opposed to some bug .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now that he has admitted this -- is there a case for a massive class lawsuit from people who have had this and wasted a lot of time as a result?
The point would be to bankrupt him and, hopefully, make such other scam artists think twice before trying something similar.
What makes this different is the intention of this, as opposed to some bug.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30071352</id>
	<title>Aka "The Facebook Monetization Problem"</title>
	<author>ivoras</author>
	<datestamp>1258034460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The root of all this is that it's still unclear just *how* to earn money from the service(s) Facebook provides, both for Facebook itself and for app developers. Apparently, showing ads down people's throats in one way (web) or the other (shady toolbar apps) is currently the only way.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The root of all this is that it 's still unclear just * how * to earn money from the service ( s ) Facebook provides , both for Facebook itself and for app developers .
Apparently , showing ads down people 's throats in one way ( web ) or the other ( shady toolbar apps ) is currently the only way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The root of all this is that it's still unclear just *how* to earn money from the service(s) Facebook provides, both for Facebook itself and for app developers.
Apparently, showing ads down people's throats in one way (web) or the other (shady toolbar apps) is currently the only way.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30072428</id>
	<title>+1 LARPing</title>
	<author>ex\_ottoyuhr</author>
	<datestamp>1258040460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously, it's called <i>Mafia Wars</i>. The dev team was just getting into character.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , it 's called Mafia Wars .
The dev team was just getting into character .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, it's called Mafia Wars.
The dev team was just getting into character.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30070680</id>
	<title>The joys of capitalism</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258023780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"I love the smell of commerce in the morning."</p><p>The problem is that if he went to wall street or venture capitalists to get funding they would have just done everything they could to shaft him, so he tried to shaft as many other people as possible so he could avoid contact with them until he was a little bit stronger. Google did the same or though they did it in a more responsible manner as they had a better (more profitable) idea.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" I love the smell of commerce in the morning .
" The problem is that if he went to wall street or venture capitalists to get funding they would have just done everything they could to shaft him , so he tried to shaft as many other people as possible so he could avoid contact with them until he was a little bit stronger .
Google did the same or though they did it in a more responsible manner as they had a better ( more profitable ) idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I love the smell of commerce in the morning.
"The problem is that if he went to wall street or venture capitalists to get funding they would have just done everything they could to shaft him, so he tried to shaft as many other people as possible so he could avoid contact with them until he was a little bit stronger.
Google did the same or though they did it in a more responsible manner as they had a better (more profitable) idea.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30071566</id>
	<title>Re:Mafia Wars is FREE</title>
	<author>itsdapead</author>
	<datestamp>1258036080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Mafia Wars is free.  You never have to install anything, spend any money, or visit any other sites. </p></div><p>Execpt that the USP of these games is that they are competetive.
</p><p>If I take advantage of one of these offers, does it post a note to my Friends (tm) saying:

</p><p> <i>
itsdapead is movin' on up the greasy pole, and has reached the rank of "Backstabbing Yuppie Oik" - rather than beating you the hard-but-honest way he's whipped out the Gold Card and bought a wad of Dollars.
<br>To get a bonus from itsdapead, wait until hell freezes over.
<br>Click here to remove itsdapead from your friends list.</i>

</p><p>These games are not just "free" games which let you play in response for viewing a few ads: are very artfully designed to actively provoke "peer pressure" to pay for extras or to sign up others - even in adults.
</p><p>Personally, that's what puts me off Facebook: I didn't enjoy peer pressure when I was 12 and I certainly don't enjoy re-living it - however,  (cough) years later I'm more capable of resisting it. However, I do remember what it was like, as a kid, to desperately want some must-have bit of tat - and this world is full of kids of all ages. There have to be <i>some</i> limits - some sensible compromise between the Nanny State and the Wild West.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>All of this is completely in the users' hands.</p> </div><p>...but that is not a free pass to distribute borderline malware - which is what TFA seems to be alleging.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Mafia Wars is free .
You never have to install anything , spend any money , or visit any other sites .
Execpt that the USP of these games is that they are competetive .
If I take advantage of one of these offers , does it post a note to my Friends ( tm ) saying : itsdapead is movin ' on up the greasy pole , and has reached the rank of " Backstabbing Yuppie Oik " - rather than beating you the hard-but-honest way he 's whipped out the Gold Card and bought a wad of Dollars .
To get a bonus from itsdapead , wait until hell freezes over .
Click here to remove itsdapead from your friends list .
These games are not just " free " games which let you play in response for viewing a few ads : are very artfully designed to actively provoke " peer pressure " to pay for extras or to sign up others - even in adults .
Personally , that 's what puts me off Facebook : I did n't enjoy peer pressure when I was 12 and I certainly do n't enjoy re-living it - however , ( cough ) years later I 'm more capable of resisting it .
However , I do remember what it was like , as a kid , to desperately want some must-have bit of tat - and this world is full of kids of all ages .
There have to be some limits - some sensible compromise between the Nanny State and the Wild West.All of this is completely in the users ' hands .
...but that is not a free pass to distribute borderline malware - which is what TFA seems to be alleging .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mafia Wars is free.
You never have to install anything, spend any money, or visit any other sites.
Execpt that the USP of these games is that they are competetive.
If I take advantage of one of these offers, does it post a note to my Friends (tm) saying:

 
itsdapead is movin' on up the greasy pole, and has reached the rank of "Backstabbing Yuppie Oik" - rather than beating you the hard-but-honest way he's whipped out the Gold Card and bought a wad of Dollars.
To get a bonus from itsdapead, wait until hell freezes over.
Click here to remove itsdapead from your friends list.
These games are not just "free" games which let you play in response for viewing a few ads: are very artfully designed to actively provoke "peer pressure" to pay for extras or to sign up others - even in adults.
Personally, that's what puts me off Facebook: I didn't enjoy peer pressure when I was 12 and I certainly don't enjoy re-living it - however,  (cough) years later I'm more capable of resisting it.
However, I do remember what it was like, as a kid, to desperately want some must-have bit of tat - and this world is full of kids of all ages.
There have to be some limits - some sensible compromise between the Nanny State and the Wild West.All of this is completely in the users' hands.
...but that is not a free pass to distribute borderline malware - which is what TFA seems to be alleging.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30071282</id>
	<title>Re:And he likes that he did this...</title>
	<author>INT\_QRK</author>
	<datestamp>1258033680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hey, does anybody in the Justice Department read slashdot by any chance? Freebee anyone?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey , does anybody in the Justice Department read slashdot by any chance ?
Freebee anyone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey, does anybody in the Justice Department read slashdot by any chance?
Freebee anyone?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30070486</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30071296</id>
	<title>Re:Mafia Wars is FREE</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258033800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i play mafia wars and i dont have zwinky toolbar installed</p><p>Aladrian is right you can get the extra token if you play some more and have patience<br>or get screwed after installing malware or pay actual money to buy fictional stuff in an<br>online game<br>people who installed the toolbar also had greed of leveling up faster than others motivating<br>them to install the toolbar</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i play mafia wars and i dont have zwinky toolbar installedAladrian is right you can get the extra token if you play some more and have patienceor get screwed after installing malware or pay actual money to buy fictional stuff in anonline gamepeople who installed the toolbar also had greed of leveling up faster than others motivatingthem to install the toolbar</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i play mafia wars and i dont have zwinky toolbar installedAladrian is right you can get the extra token if you play some more and have patienceor get screwed after installing malware or pay actual money to buy fictional stuff in anonline gamepeople who installed the toolbar also had greed of leveling up faster than others motivatingthem to install the toolbar</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30071182</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30072690</id>
	<title>Re:Not Surprising</title>
	<author>Trepidity</author>
	<datestamp>1258041600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You could guess it from the people at the helm, too, since many of them are veterans of Pincus's previous startup, SupportSoft, who "voluntarily" left amidst the <a href="http://goingconcern.com/2009/07/the-big-4-a-professional-racke-1.php" title="goingconcern.com">settlement of a shareholder lawsuit</a> [goingconcern.com]. Ah, <a href="http://twitter.com/ibogost/status/3404994958" title="twitter.com">serial entrepreneurs</a> [twitter.com].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You could guess it from the people at the helm , too , since many of them are veterans of Pincus 's previous startup , SupportSoft , who " voluntarily " left amidst the settlement of a shareholder lawsuit [ goingconcern.com ] .
Ah , serial entrepreneurs [ twitter.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could guess it from the people at the helm, too, since many of them are veterans of Pincus's previous startup, SupportSoft, who "voluntarily" left amidst the settlement of a shareholder lawsuit [goingconcern.com].
Ah, serial entrepreneurs [twitter.com].</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30071224</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30070896</id>
	<title>Re:Ugly things happen ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258027080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You mean taking cocaine makes you feel rich?</p><p>Funny that, I thought it had the opposite effect...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean taking cocaine makes you feel rich ? Funny that , I thought it had the opposite effect.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean taking cocaine makes you feel rich?Funny that, I thought it had the opposite effect...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30070610</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30070580</id>
	<title>trype</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258022460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Such trype.  This article is pure horseshit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Such trype .
This article is pure horseshit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Such trype.
This article is pure horseshit.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30073870</id>
	<title>Re:Blaming "greed" accomplishes what?</title>
	<author>Bob9113</author>
	<datestamp>1258046640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Outstanding post.</p><p>I love that you raised the relevant issues and provided solid rational support, then invited readers to think about the matter, rather than prescribing some simplistic panacea. These are complicated issues that we need to start by thinking deeply about. The first issue is that we do not yet broadly accept and understand the problem itself. While I may think I have some of the answers, the first critical step is to get people seriously considering and discussing the difference between laboratory economics (which I love) and organic system economics (which I also love).</p><p>Thank you for your insightful post.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Outstanding post.I love that you raised the relevant issues and provided solid rational support , then invited readers to think about the matter , rather than prescribing some simplistic panacea .
These are complicated issues that we need to start by thinking deeply about .
The first issue is that we do not yet broadly accept and understand the problem itself .
While I may think I have some of the answers , the first critical step is to get people seriously considering and discussing the difference between laboratory economics ( which I love ) and organic system economics ( which I also love ) .Thank you for your insightful post .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Outstanding post.I love that you raised the relevant issues and provided solid rational support, then invited readers to think about the matter, rather than prescribing some simplistic panacea.
These are complicated issues that we need to start by thinking deeply about.
The first issue is that we do not yet broadly accept and understand the problem itself.
While I may think I have some of the answers, the first critical step is to get people seriously considering and discussing the difference between laboratory economics (which I love) and organic system economics (which I also love).Thank you for your insightful post.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30071062</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30074802</id>
	<title>A confession!</title>
	<author>hrimhari</author>
	<datestamp>1258049880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can he go to jail now? It would be great to have one less scammer at large.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can he go to jail now ?
It would be great to have one less scammer at large .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can he go to jail now?
It would be great to have one less scammer at large.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30071262</id>
	<title>sell:nike air max jordan shoes,coach,gucci,handbag</title>
	<author>coolforsale</author>
	<datestamp>1258033440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.coolforsale.com/" title="coolforsale.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.coolforsale.com/</a> [coolforsale.com]  If you want to have a warm winter,you have to know Ugg boots.Ugg boots are &ldquo;must have &rdquo; nike air max jordan,shoes,caoch,gucci,lv,dg, ed hardy handbags,Polo/Ed Hardy/Lacoste/Ca/A&amp;F T-shirtin, True Religion/Coogi/Evisu/Ed Hardy/Prada Jeansthe winter.Now here is an onlinestore , discount 30\%-50\% off,free shipping, you may take a look, you may find the UGGS you want here. <a href="http://www.coolforsale.com/" title="coolforsale.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.coolforsale.com/</a> [coolforsale.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.coolforsale.com/ [ coolforsale.com ] If you want to have a warm winter,you have to know Ugg boots.Ugg boots are    must have    nike air max jordan,shoes,caoch,gucci,lv,dg , ed hardy handbags,Polo/Ed Hardy/Lacoste/Ca/A&amp;F T-shirtin , True Religion/Coogi/Evisu/Ed Hardy/Prada Jeansthe winter.Now here is an onlinestore , discount 30 \ % -50 \ % off,free shipping , you may take a look , you may find the UGGS you want here .
http : //www.coolforsale.com/ [ coolforsale.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.coolforsale.com/ [coolforsale.com]  If you want to have a warm winter,you have to know Ugg boots.Ugg boots are “must have ” nike air max jordan,shoes,caoch,gucci,lv,dg, ed hardy handbags,Polo/Ed Hardy/Lacoste/Ca/A&amp;F T-shirtin, True Religion/Coogi/Evisu/Ed Hardy/Prada Jeansthe winter.Now here is an onlinestore , discount 30\%-50\% off,free shipping, you may take a look, you may find the UGGS you want here.
http://www.coolforsale.com/ [coolforsale.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30070594</id>
	<title>Seen the likes before</title>
	<author>Xerfas</author>
	<datestamp>1258022580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>A friend of mine wrote a program which installed on the users computer even when you clicked "No" on the do you wish to install this application in Internet Explorer. This was to reconnect the users modem to a modempool his boss had which was very hard to get rid off, because he wrote it very viral like. Remove one or 2-3 parts and suddenly you had it again.<br>
When I spoke to his boss about this and other stuff he had on their rippoff of the hotornot site he just shrugged and said it's in a gray area and not illegal yet so I don't care. <br>
People like this will always be out there and they don't care how they make money or who gets hurt as long as they have a nice income.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A friend of mine wrote a program which installed on the users computer even when you clicked " No " on the do you wish to install this application in Internet Explorer .
This was to reconnect the users modem to a modempool his boss had which was very hard to get rid off , because he wrote it very viral like .
Remove one or 2-3 parts and suddenly you had it again .
When I spoke to his boss about this and other stuff he had on their rippoff of the hotornot site he just shrugged and said it 's in a gray area and not illegal yet so I do n't care .
People like this will always be out there and they do n't care how they make money or who gets hurt as long as they have a nice income .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A friend of mine wrote a program which installed on the users computer even when you clicked "No" on the do you wish to install this application in Internet Explorer.
This was to reconnect the users modem to a modempool his boss had which was very hard to get rid off, because he wrote it very viral like.
Remove one or 2-3 parts and suddenly you had it again.
When I spoke to his boss about this and other stuff he had on their rippoff of the hotornot site he just shrugged and said it's in a gray area and not illegal yet so I don't care.
People like this will always be out there and they don't care how they make money or who gets hurt as long as they have a nice income.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30070652</id>
	<title>See you in hell.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258023480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In Soviet Russia Mafia scams CEO ? amidoinitright</htmltext>
<tokenext>In Soviet Russia Mafia scams CEO ?
amidoinitright</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Soviet Russia Mafia scams CEO ?
amidoinitright</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30075518</id>
	<title>Re:Ugly things happen ...</title>
	<author>Clever7Devil</author>
	<datestamp>1258051740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's a wonderful idea! Money addiction!</p><p>

"Have you acquired large amounts of liquid assets? Do you feel as though the desire for more wealth is consuming your life? Is your estate becoming burdensome in its enormity? Come to the Greed-Addiction center. We can help! I guarantee it! Cash, credit and money orders accepted."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a wonderful idea !
Money addiction !
" Have you acquired large amounts of liquid assets ?
Do you feel as though the desire for more wealth is consuming your life ?
Is your estate becoming burdensome in its enormity ?
Come to the Greed-Addiction center .
We can help !
I guarantee it !
Cash , credit and money orders accepted .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a wonderful idea!
Money addiction!
"Have you acquired large amounts of liquid assets?
Do you feel as though the desire for more wealth is consuming your life?
Is your estate becoming burdensome in its enormity?
Come to the Greed-Addiction center.
We can help!
I guarantee it!
Cash, credit and money orders accepted.
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30070610</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30078084</id>
	<title>Re:Blaming "greed" accomplishes what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258017180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"We're going to keep seeing "X screwed over by powerful greedy person Y" stories until we use political channels to create new regulations that makes it in the best interests of the greedy to play nice with society. "</p><p>You can't regulate captialism unless you give citizens themselves the right to make laws seize assets of irresponsible parties, the law is too ineffective and costly, at this point in time I've been seriously considering giving a highly educated  and ethical group of researchers and university professors and other qualified professionals the ability to print their own money so the could not be corrupted and go around investigating companies, period, no privacy anymore for corporations.  They are public institutions by virtue of their effects onsociety and must answer to the people.</p><p>We've seen in the last 30 years the stagnation of real wages in north america and the delince in the standard of livng, the rich will always try to bring us back to slavery and impoverish the most, the real problem is there is no limits on income, any income over x amount should automatically be distirbuted to the most needy people at the bottom of society period.</p><p>The only way to regulate is to pass laws that allow the most educated and just citizens to govern and make laws, therefore to qualify for a law making position you must be a just and moral person first of all, we need to develop an ethical constitution and give power the people to cease corporations outright temporarily until the mismanaging parties responsible are deposed from those positions of power and enforce it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" We 're going to keep seeing " X screwed over by powerful greedy person Y " stories until we use political channels to create new regulations that makes it in the best interests of the greedy to play nice with society .
" You ca n't regulate captialism unless you give citizens themselves the right to make laws seize assets of irresponsible parties , the law is too ineffective and costly , at this point in time I 've been seriously considering giving a highly educated and ethical group of researchers and university professors and other qualified professionals the ability to print their own money so the could not be corrupted and go around investigating companies , period , no privacy anymore for corporations .
They are public institutions by virtue of their effects onsociety and must answer to the people.We 've seen in the last 30 years the stagnation of real wages in north america and the delince in the standard of livng , the rich will always try to bring us back to slavery and impoverish the most , the real problem is there is no limits on income , any income over x amount should automatically be distirbuted to the most needy people at the bottom of society period.The only way to regulate is to pass laws that allow the most educated and just citizens to govern and make laws , therefore to qualify for a law making position you must be a just and moral person first of all , we need to develop an ethical constitution and give power the people to cease corporations outright temporarily until the mismanaging parties responsible are deposed from those positions of power and enforce it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"We're going to keep seeing "X screwed over by powerful greedy person Y" stories until we use political channels to create new regulations that makes it in the best interests of the greedy to play nice with society.
"You can't regulate captialism unless you give citizens themselves the right to make laws seize assets of irresponsible parties, the law is too ineffective and costly, at this point in time I've been seriously considering giving a highly educated  and ethical group of researchers and university professors and other qualified professionals the ability to print their own money so the could not be corrupted and go around investigating companies, period, no privacy anymore for corporations.
They are public institutions by virtue of their effects onsociety and must answer to the people.We've seen in the last 30 years the stagnation of real wages in north america and the delince in the standard of livng, the rich will always try to bring us back to slavery and impoverish the most, the real problem is there is no limits on income, any income over x amount should automatically be distirbuted to the most needy people at the bottom of society period.The only way to regulate is to pass laws that allow the most educated and just citizens to govern and make laws, therefore to qualify for a law making position you must be a just and moral person first of all, we need to develop an ethical constitution and give power the people to cease corporations outright temporarily until the mismanaging parties responsible are deposed from those positions of power and enforce it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30071062</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30070916</id>
	<title>Adverts that Facebook should not allow</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258027260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a scratch account on Facebook with only 1 friend, my real account. I use it for trying some apps because it has no valuable information. I can use privacy settings on my real account to prevent it seeing that.</p><p>Still, its page has sections that look like the normal Facebook UI but say things like "4 of your friends have sent you<nobr> <wbr></nobr>......". The account only has 1 friend, so this is a banner ad dressed up to look like part of the UI.</p><p>Facebook should surely not allow this!</p><p>There are some people out there for whom you'd hope that some form of Karma applies, even if it is that by being untrustworthy themselves people around them start treating them as such. Sad to say and all that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a scratch account on Facebook with only 1 friend , my real account .
I use it for trying some apps because it has no valuable information .
I can use privacy settings on my real account to prevent it seeing that.Still , its page has sections that look like the normal Facebook UI but say things like " 4 of your friends have sent you ...... " .
The account only has 1 friend , so this is a banner ad dressed up to look like part of the UI.Facebook should surely not allow this ! There are some people out there for whom you 'd hope that some form of Karma applies , even if it is that by being untrustworthy themselves people around them start treating them as such .
Sad to say and all that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a scratch account on Facebook with only 1 friend, my real account.
I use it for trying some apps because it has no valuable information.
I can use privacy settings on my real account to prevent it seeing that.Still, its page has sections that look like the normal Facebook UI but say things like "4 of your friends have sent you ......".
The account only has 1 friend, so this is a banner ad dressed up to look like part of the UI.Facebook should surely not allow this!There are some people out there for whom you'd hope that some form of Karma applies, even if it is that by being untrustworthy themselves people around them start treating them as such.
Sad to say and all that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30070488</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30075548</id>
	<title>Re:They run the world.</title>
	<author>Gizzmonic</author>
	<datestamp>1258051800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So apparently trite + cynical == insightful.  Did not know that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So apparently trite + cynical = = insightful .
Did not know that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So apparently trite + cynical == insightful.
Did not know that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30070742</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30070982</id>
	<title>Re:Getting rid of toolbars</title>
	<author>EponymousCustard</author>
	<datestamp>1258028100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's usually a bit more difficult if a hidden trojan is installing the toolbar for you. I've seen some trojans than require killbox and then removal of the power lead since the registry entries reinitialize upon logoff and shutdown. this was a couple of years ago, i imagine they are even worse now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's usually a bit more difficult if a hidden trojan is installing the toolbar for you .
I 've seen some trojans than require killbox and then removal of the power lead since the registry entries reinitialize upon logoff and shutdown .
this was a couple of years ago , i imagine they are even worse now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's usually a bit more difficult if a hidden trojan is installing the toolbar for you.
I've seen some trojans than require killbox and then removal of the power lead since the registry entries reinitialize upon logoff and shutdown.
this was a couple of years ago, i imagine they are even worse now.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30070794</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30070700</id>
	<title>Re:And he likes that he did this...</title>
	<author>JJJK</author>
	<datestamp>1258024080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>He's like a kid who asks "why don't we just turn all traffic lights to yellow all the time, this way everyone would get around faster!" or "Hey, if I print money I can make myself rich!" but then <i>actually does it</i>. Way to think outside the box...</htmltext>
<tokenext>He 's like a kid who asks " why do n't we just turn all traffic lights to yellow all the time , this way everyone would get around faster !
" or " Hey , if I print money I can make myself rich !
" but then actually does it .
Way to think outside the box.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He's like a kid who asks "why don't we just turn all traffic lights to yellow all the time, this way everyone would get around faster!
" or "Hey, if I print money I can make myself rich!
" but then actually does it.
Way to think outside the box...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30070486</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30071908</id>
	<title>Gimmee More! Gimmee Now!</title>
	<author>happy\_place</author>
	<datestamp>1258038000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The games are free, at least on the surface, but facebook games also factor in elapsed time... so they are only free, if you consider your time to be free.</p><p>They are designed to take years to play, each day you log in and click a button here or there, and then leave it. By providing pay-for-stuff-now content, games like those provided by Zynga are allowing users to skip the need to wait for months in order to have features in the game immediately. Essentially it allows players to 'go munchkin' (power up even at low levels) and essentially pay for the ability to get ahead in the game.</p><p>Not only do the games pander to the greedy side of human nature, but also to the impatient side of us. They're designed to take advantage of our worst qualities. All of these games encourage sharing/publishing your "feats" in the game to attract the attention of your friends--so they'll join you in the game.</p><p>Some games require you to "share" the game with other players and recruit others in order to unlock features--therefore garanteeing that the best players bring in other players. In a popular game that I just played, one had to have about 100 other players coordinate "attacks" against an otherwise unbeatable foe in order to beat that boss.</p><p>It's quite an ingenious niche in that the games start off very simple, and can grow complicated as the userbase matures. You really can't "win" a game like this, and unlike MMOs with level caps, and other game balancing features, there's really no motivation to balance the players that pay out. They simply add more content as time passes, or for special occasions, more features, and due to the casual nature of the game play and the forced ellapsed time requirements between game leveling, the illusion is that you're really not spending money or time on it at all...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The games are free , at least on the surface , but facebook games also factor in elapsed time... so they are only free , if you consider your time to be free.They are designed to take years to play , each day you log in and click a button here or there , and then leave it .
By providing pay-for-stuff-now content , games like those provided by Zynga are allowing users to skip the need to wait for months in order to have features in the game immediately .
Essentially it allows players to 'go munchkin ' ( power up even at low levels ) and essentially pay for the ability to get ahead in the game.Not only do the games pander to the greedy side of human nature , but also to the impatient side of us .
They 're designed to take advantage of our worst qualities .
All of these games encourage sharing/publishing your " feats " in the game to attract the attention of your friends--so they 'll join you in the game.Some games require you to " share " the game with other players and recruit others in order to unlock features--therefore garanteeing that the best players bring in other players .
In a popular game that I just played , one had to have about 100 other players coordinate " attacks " against an otherwise unbeatable foe in order to beat that boss.It 's quite an ingenious niche in that the games start off very simple , and can grow complicated as the userbase matures .
You really ca n't " win " a game like this , and unlike MMOs with level caps , and other game balancing features , there 's really no motivation to balance the players that pay out .
They simply add more content as time passes , or for special occasions , more features , and due to the casual nature of the game play and the forced ellapsed time requirements between game leveling , the illusion is that you 're really not spending money or time on it at all.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The games are free, at least on the surface, but facebook games also factor in elapsed time... so they are only free, if you consider your time to be free.They are designed to take years to play, each day you log in and click a button here or there, and then leave it.
By providing pay-for-stuff-now content, games like those provided by Zynga are allowing users to skip the need to wait for months in order to have features in the game immediately.
Essentially it allows players to 'go munchkin' (power up even at low levels) and essentially pay for the ability to get ahead in the game.Not only do the games pander to the greedy side of human nature, but also to the impatient side of us.
They're designed to take advantage of our worst qualities.
All of these games encourage sharing/publishing your "feats" in the game to attract the attention of your friends--so they'll join you in the game.Some games require you to "share" the game with other players and recruit others in order to unlock features--therefore garanteeing that the best players bring in other players.
In a popular game that I just played, one had to have about 100 other players coordinate "attacks" against an otherwise unbeatable foe in order to beat that boss.It's quite an ingenious niche in that the games start off very simple, and can grow complicated as the userbase matures.
You really can't "win" a game like this, and unlike MMOs with level caps, and other game balancing features, there's really no motivation to balance the players that pay out.
They simply add more content as time passes, or for special occasions, more features, and due to the casual nature of the game play and the forced ellapsed time requirements between game leveling, the illusion is that you're really not spending money or time on it at all...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30071340</id>
	<title>Re:Blaming "greed" accomplishes what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258034340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>We need effective and strong regulation to prevent the greed that invariably appears from hurting the rest of us.</p></div><p>I'd rather see a technical solution than a legislative one.  Those same greedy bastards have a talent, under our current political system, of ensuring that legislation doesn't interfere with their business model.  But if you give me the power to, quickly and easily, ensure that my computer will do what I want it to do rather than what someone else wants it to do, then they are powerless.</p><p>A lot of these problems wouldn't exist if computers and the internet had been designed from the ground up with security in mind.  Think end-to-end encryption on absolutely all data transfers, a pervasive web of trust and authentication, etc.  Or just look at email - almost anything (even the most trivial[1] authentication) would be an improvement.</p><p>[1] Trivial if you're designing it in, rather than needing to be backwardly-compatible.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We need effective and strong regulation to prevent the greed that invariably appears from hurting the rest of us.I 'd rather see a technical solution than a legislative one .
Those same greedy bastards have a talent , under our current political system , of ensuring that legislation does n't interfere with their business model .
But if you give me the power to , quickly and easily , ensure that my computer will do what I want it to do rather than what someone else wants it to do , then they are powerless.A lot of these problems would n't exist if computers and the internet had been designed from the ground up with security in mind .
Think end-to-end encryption on absolutely all data transfers , a pervasive web of trust and authentication , etc .
Or just look at email - almost anything ( even the most trivial [ 1 ] authentication ) would be an improvement .
[ 1 ] Trivial if you 're designing it in , rather than needing to be backwardly-compatible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We need effective and strong regulation to prevent the greed that invariably appears from hurting the rest of us.I'd rather see a technical solution than a legislative one.
Those same greedy bastards have a talent, under our current political system, of ensuring that legislation doesn't interfere with their business model.
But if you give me the power to, quickly and easily, ensure that my computer will do what I want it to do rather than what someone else wants it to do, then they are powerless.A lot of these problems wouldn't exist if computers and the internet had been designed from the ground up with security in mind.
Think end-to-end encryption on absolutely all data transfers, a pervasive web of trust and authentication, etc.
Or just look at email - almost anything (even the most trivial[1] authentication) would be an improvement.
[1] Trivial if you're designing it in, rather than needing to be backwardly-compatible.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30070996</id>
	<title>Re:Business men</title>
	<author>cbope</author>
	<datestamp>1258028460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Please let us know who you work for so we can all avoid your company, if this is how you really feel based on TFA. This kind of BS aggressive attitude is what is wrong in a lot of companies. Basically you are saying screw the customers and you don't care if you step on toes to get rich. Go F yourself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Please let us know who you work for so we can all avoid your company , if this is how you really feel based on TFA .
This kind of BS aggressive attitude is what is wrong in a lot of companies .
Basically you are saying screw the customers and you do n't care if you step on toes to get rich .
Go F yourself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please let us know who you work for so we can all avoid your company, if this is how you really feel based on TFA.
This kind of BS aggressive attitude is what is wrong in a lot of companies.
Basically you are saying screw the customers and you don't care if you step on toes to get rich.
Go F yourself.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30072456</id>
	<title>Mobsters</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258040520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They do equally shady stuff for "favor points" on Mobsters which I play.  No big deal though - I keep a tiny virtual machine on my system that I boot up and RDP into if I ever need to install stuff for points.  It's confined to the VM and can do no harm there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They do equally shady stuff for " favor points " on Mobsters which I play .
No big deal though - I keep a tiny virtual machine on my system that I boot up and RDP into if I ever need to install stuff for points .
It 's confined to the VM and can do no harm there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They do equally shady stuff for "favor points" on Mobsters which I play.
No big deal though - I keep a tiny virtual machine on my system that I boot up and RDP into if I ever need to install stuff for points.
It's confined to the VM and can do no harm there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30078862</id>
	<title>Amanda Seyfried/Julianne Moore love scene? Check!</title>
	<author>Impy the Impiuos Imp</author>
	<datestamp>1258020180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I still will not freaking touch WeatherBug, even though apparently it's gone legit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I still will not freaking touch WeatherBug , even though apparently it 's gone legit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I still will not freaking touch WeatherBug, even though apparently it's gone legit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30071224</id>
	<title>Not Surprising</title>
	<author>zaffir</author>
	<datestamp>1258032840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Considering Zynga shamelessly rips off the games of others (go look at FarmTown, released ~6 months before FarmVille), that he'd be ok with scamming people is not shocking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Considering Zynga shamelessly rips off the games of others ( go look at FarmTown , released ~ 6 months before FarmVille ) , that he 'd be ok with scamming people is not shocking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Considering Zynga shamelessly rips off the games of others (go look at FarmTown, released ~6 months before FarmVille), that he'd be ok with scamming people is not shocking.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30071096</id>
	<title>Re:And he likes that he did this...</title>
	<author>genican1</author>
	<datestamp>1258030620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I knew something was up when the zwinky download page asked for my blood type.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I knew something was up when the zwinky download page asked for my blood type .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I knew something was up when the zwinky download page asked for my blood type.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30071072</id>
	<title>Re:Business men</title>
	<author>bcmm</author>
	<datestamp>1258030140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>This is just a business man summing up to the obvious things that run this sort of business. If you don't control your product to maximize revenues, you are decreasing your wealth.</p></div></blockquote><p>
If I don't steal all your money at gunpoint, I'm just decreasing my own wealth, right?</p></div>
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<tokenext>This is just a business man summing up to the obvious things that run this sort of business .
If you do n't control your product to maximize revenues , you are decreasing your wealth .
If I do n't steal all your money at gunpoint , I 'm just decreasing my own wealth , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is just a business man summing up to the obvious things that run this sort of business.
If you don't control your product to maximize revenues, you are decreasing your wealth.
If I don't steal all your money at gunpoint, I'm just decreasing my own wealth, right?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30070806</id>
	<title>Re:Ugly things happen ...</title>
	<author>Xerfas</author>
	<datestamp>1258025760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I read about a research a while ago (years, sorry no source) that states that acquiring large sums of money creates the same kind of euphoria as for instance using cocaine as it causes the same neurotransmitters to be produced in the brain. Irrational need for more and more money is a real addiction I think and should be treated as such.</p></div><p>
Did you mean something like this? <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=111579154" title="npr.org">http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=111579154</a> [npr.org] though it's more related to love according to this article.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Researcher Xinyue Zhou, of the department of psychology at Sun Yat-Sen University in China, puts it in very human terms. "We think money works as a substitute for another pain buffer -- love."</p></div><p>
And they link to this pdf <a href="http://www.csom.umn.edu/assets/127771.pdf" title="umn.edu">http://www.csom.umn.edu/assets/127771.pdf</a> [umn.edu] <br>
Seems like if you handle money you can endure certain amounts of pain a bit more if the study is correct and you feel more strength.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I read about a research a while ago ( years , sorry no source ) that states that acquiring large sums of money creates the same kind of euphoria as for instance using cocaine as it causes the same neurotransmitters to be produced in the brain .
Irrational need for more and more money is a real addiction I think and should be treated as such .
Did you mean something like this ?
http : //www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php ? storyId = 111579154 [ npr.org ] though it 's more related to love according to this article.Researcher Xinyue Zhou , of the department of psychology at Sun Yat-Sen University in China , puts it in very human terms .
" We think money works as a substitute for another pain buffer -- love .
" And they link to this pdf http : //www.csom.umn.edu/assets/127771.pdf [ umn.edu ] Seems like if you handle money you can endure certain amounts of pain a bit more if the study is correct and you feel more strength .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I read about a research a while ago (years, sorry no source) that states that acquiring large sums of money creates the same kind of euphoria as for instance using cocaine as it causes the same neurotransmitters to be produced in the brain.
Irrational need for more and more money is a real addiction I think and should be treated as such.
Did you mean something like this?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=111579154 [npr.org] though it's more related to love according to this article.Researcher Xinyue Zhou, of the department of psychology at Sun Yat-Sen University in China, puts it in very human terms.
"We think money works as a substitute for another pain buffer -- love.
"
And they link to this pdf http://www.csom.umn.edu/assets/127771.pdf [umn.edu] 
Seems like if you handle money you can endure certain amounts of pain a bit more if the study is correct and you feel more strength.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30072594</id>
	<title>Re:Blaming "greed" accomplishes what?</title>
	<author>gutnor</author>
	<datestamp>1258041240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Unfortunatly, I guess that's what capitalism and free market is about.
<br>
The market is the playground where everybody can be as ruthless as it wants using abstract construct like companies. The theory is that, with the proper legislation and government safeguards the market should work in the best interest of the society in general.
<br>
The reality is that the power acquired in the playground gives you direct power over government and legislation, defeating the purpose.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunatly , I guess that 's what capitalism and free market is about .
The market is the playground where everybody can be as ruthless as it wants using abstract construct like companies .
The theory is that , with the proper legislation and government safeguards the market should work in the best interest of the society in general .
The reality is that the power acquired in the playground gives you direct power over government and legislation , defeating the purpose .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunatly, I guess that's what capitalism and free market is about.
The market is the playground where everybody can be as ruthless as it wants using abstract construct like companies.
The theory is that, with the proper legislation and government safeguards the market should work in the best interest of the society in general.
The reality is that the power acquired in the playground gives you direct power over government and legislation, defeating the purpose.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30078932</id>
	<title>I hope his balls fall off</title>
	<author>thetoadwarrior</author>
	<datestamp>1258020480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I get tired of seeing or hearing about his shitty games and then to find out he's a unscrupulous douche bag...all I can say is I hope he gets beat hard. Preferably by a clown.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I get tired of seeing or hearing about his shitty games and then to find out he 's a unscrupulous douche bag...all I can say is I hope he gets beat hard .
Preferably by a clown .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I get tired of seeing or hearing about his shitty games and then to find out he's a unscrupulous douche bag...all I can say is I hope he gets beat hard.
Preferably by a clown.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30075256</id>
	<title>Re:And he likes that he did this...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258051020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sad thing is he is proud of it. Let me tell you a little about this guy.

What he did was simply buy up dopewares, which is a game me and my friends created, He told us we would remain in control of the product and in the end he took over, killed dopewars and forced everyone on to his crappy port (mafia wars)

www.treadon.us is where you can find the original version, and it is still going strong (and better) than the crappy version brought to you by this scumbag</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sad thing is he is proud of it .
Let me tell you a little about this guy .
What he did was simply buy up dopewares , which is a game me and my friends created , He told us we would remain in control of the product and in the end he took over , killed dopewars and forced everyone on to his crappy port ( mafia wars ) www.treadon.us is where you can find the original version , and it is still going strong ( and better ) than the crappy version brought to you by this scumbag</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sad thing is he is proud of it.
Let me tell you a little about this guy.
What he did was simply buy up dopewares, which is a game me and my friends created, He told us we would remain in control of the product and in the end he took over, killed dopewars and forced everyone on to his crappy port (mafia wars)

www.treadon.us is where you can find the original version, and it is still going strong (and better) than the crappy version brought to you by this scumbag</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30073054</id>
	<title>So just ignore the apps on Facebook</title>
	<author>NixieBunny</author>
	<datestamp>1258043040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They don't serve any purpose to benefit the users, so why run them?</htmltext>
<tokenext>They do n't serve any purpose to benefit the users , so why run them ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They don't serve any purpose to benefit the users, so why run them?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30075100</id>
	<title>Re:Mafia Wars is FREE</title>
	<author>ceoyoyo</author>
	<datestamp>1258050540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All you have to do is give it access to all the information you have on Facebook, and all the information of your friends on Facebook.</p><p>Yes, that's definitely free.  Free as in money, perhaps.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All you have to do is give it access to all the information you have on Facebook , and all the information of your friends on Facebook.Yes , that 's definitely free .
Free as in money , perhaps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All you have to do is give it access to all the information you have on Facebook, and all the information of your friends on Facebook.Yes, that's definitely free.
Free as in money, perhaps.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30072148</id>
	<title>Re:Blaming "greed" accomplishes what?</title>
	<author>khallow</author>
	<datestamp>1258039260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>We're going to keep seeing "X screwed over by powerful greedy person Y" stories until we use political channels to create new regulations that makes it in the best interests of the greedy to play nice with society. We can talk about the form these regulations should take. (IMHO, I think it's pretty clear we need far stronger privacy laws in the US.) What won't work is complaining that corporations are greedy. What won't work is trying to make laws while under the delusion that everyone is a rational actor with full access to relevant information. What might work is a determined effort to restore a sense of fair play and balance to our laws and institutions.</p></div><p>It's already happened. We've had such rules in place for many decades. You started out so well, then it appears to me that you fell into the mental trap you were warning us about. You can't regulate away greed. You can't make a market "fair" when some people know a lot more and are smarter than others. Idiots don't deserve to be exploited. But idiots who go out of their way to lose their money? Yes, they deserve to be exploited.<br> <br>

My view is that the real world is chock full of danger. Greedy, ruthless people being merely one of the more prominent. Excessive regulation merely hides that danger from the unwary, bogs down the markets, and encourages government interference in the markets and our lives.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We 're going to keep seeing " X screwed over by powerful greedy person Y " stories until we use political channels to create new regulations that makes it in the best interests of the greedy to play nice with society .
We can talk about the form these regulations should take .
( IMHO , I think it 's pretty clear we need far stronger privacy laws in the US .
) What wo n't work is complaining that corporations are greedy .
What wo n't work is trying to make laws while under the delusion that everyone is a rational actor with full access to relevant information .
What might work is a determined effort to restore a sense of fair play and balance to our laws and institutions.It 's already happened .
We 've had such rules in place for many decades .
You started out so well , then it appears to me that you fell into the mental trap you were warning us about .
You ca n't regulate away greed .
You ca n't make a market " fair " when some people know a lot more and are smarter than others .
Idiots do n't deserve to be exploited .
But idiots who go out of their way to lose their money ?
Yes , they deserve to be exploited .
My view is that the real world is chock full of danger .
Greedy , ruthless people being merely one of the more prominent .
Excessive regulation merely hides that danger from the unwary , bogs down the markets , and encourages government interference in the markets and our lives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We're going to keep seeing "X screwed over by powerful greedy person Y" stories until we use political channels to create new regulations that makes it in the best interests of the greedy to play nice with society.
We can talk about the form these regulations should take.
(IMHO, I think it's pretty clear we need far stronger privacy laws in the US.
) What won't work is complaining that corporations are greedy.
What won't work is trying to make laws while under the delusion that everyone is a rational actor with full access to relevant information.
What might work is a determined effort to restore a sense of fair play and balance to our laws and institutions.It's already happened.
We've had such rules in place for many decades.
You started out so well, then it appears to me that you fell into the mental trap you were warning us about.
You can't regulate away greed.
You can't make a market "fair" when some people know a lot more and are smarter than others.
Idiots don't deserve to be exploited.
But idiots who go out of their way to lose their money?
Yes, they deserve to be exploited.
My view is that the real world is chock full of danger.
Greedy, ruthless people being merely one of the more prominent.
Excessive regulation merely hides that danger from the unwary, bogs down the markets, and encourages government interference in the markets and our lives.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30070608</id>
	<title>Re:And he likes that he did this...</title>
	<author>lul\_wat</author>
	<datestamp>1258022820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't place mafia wars and my facebook isn't hidden from any facebook user. Why? Because aside from my first name, no other info on there is real<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. oh, except that I'm single. That should be a given seeing as I'm posting here.

-5 Offtopic</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't place mafia wars and my facebook is n't hidden from any facebook user .
Why ? Because aside from my first name , no other info on there is real .. oh , except that I 'm single .
That should be a given seeing as I 'm posting here .
-5 Offtopic</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't place mafia wars and my facebook isn't hidden from any facebook user.
Why? Because aside from my first name, no other info on there is real .. oh, except that I'm single.
That should be a given seeing as I'm posting here.
-5 Offtopic</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30071016</id>
	<title>the best policy?</title>
	<author>uncanny</author>
	<datestamp>1258029000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The only thing i find shocking about this is that he's actually honest about it.  there are countless programs out there that got big by doing this, he's just admitting it!</htmltext>
<tokenext>The only thing i find shocking about this is that he 's actually honest about it .
there are countless programs out there that got big by doing this , he 's just admitting it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only thing i find shocking about this is that he's actually honest about it.
there are countless programs out there that got big by doing this, he's just admitting it!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30074910</id>
	<title>Re:And he likes that he did this...</title>
	<author>ceoyoyo</author>
	<datestamp>1258050120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, all you have to do is not install the crapware.  Just like you should not install the crapware on your computer.</p><p>If you get an invite to join Mafia Wars, hit the ignore all Mafia Wars invites.  For good measure, unfriend the "friend" who sent it to you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , all you have to do is not install the crapware .
Just like you should not install the crapware on your computer.If you get an invite to join Mafia Wars , hit the ignore all Mafia Wars invites .
For good measure , unfriend the " friend " who sent it to you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, all you have to do is not install the crapware.
Just like you should not install the crapware on your computer.If you get an invite to join Mafia Wars, hit the ignore all Mafia Wars invites.
For good measure, unfriend the "friend" who sent it to you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30074522</id>
	<title>Re:Seen the likes before</title>
	<author>PitaBred</author>
	<datestamp>1258049040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's called being a sociopath. Good times.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's called being a sociopath .
Good times .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's called being a sociopath.
Good times.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30070594</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30077952</id>
	<title>Re:Ugly things happen ...</title>
	<author>blahplusplus</author>
	<datestamp>1258016700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"I read about a research a while ago (years, sorry no source) that states that acquiring large sums of money creates the same kind of euphoria as for instance using cocaine as it causes the same neurotransmitters to be produced in the brain. Irrational need for more and more money is a real addiction I think and should be treated as such."</p><p>It has nothing to do with euphoria, being rich enables one to be free from work (slavery).  Only people who are RICH get the FREEDOM TO CHOOSE whether they work or not, the rest of society is co-erced into working whatever the can find because they have no money and do not own the means of production.</p><p>Marx was correct about capitalist society in that sense, in our society most people are peasants since they have no political say in the seting of prices or the distribution of resources beyond the wage by and large that someone else who controls large amounts of resources determines.</p><p>"Beggers can't be choosers".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" I read about a research a while ago ( years , sorry no source ) that states that acquiring large sums of money creates the same kind of euphoria as for instance using cocaine as it causes the same neurotransmitters to be produced in the brain .
Irrational need for more and more money is a real addiction I think and should be treated as such .
" It has nothing to do with euphoria , being rich enables one to be free from work ( slavery ) .
Only people who are RICH get the FREEDOM TO CHOOSE whether they work or not , the rest of society is co-erced into working whatever the can find because they have no money and do not own the means of production.Marx was correct about capitalist society in that sense , in our society most people are peasants since they have no political say in the seting of prices or the distribution of resources beyond the wage by and large that someone else who controls large amounts of resources determines .
" Beggers ca n't be choosers " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I read about a research a while ago (years, sorry no source) that states that acquiring large sums of money creates the same kind of euphoria as for instance using cocaine as it causes the same neurotransmitters to be produced in the brain.
Irrational need for more and more money is a real addiction I think and should be treated as such.
"It has nothing to do with euphoria, being rich enables one to be free from work (slavery).
Only people who are RICH get the FREEDOM TO CHOOSE whether they work or not, the rest of society is co-erced into working whatever the can find because they have no money and do not own the means of production.Marx was correct about capitalist society in that sense, in our society most people are peasants since they have no political say in the seting of prices or the distribution of resources beyond the wage by and large that someone else who controls large amounts of resources determines.
"Beggers can't be choosers".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30070610</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30071584</id>
	<title>Re:Does this surprise anyone?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258036200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> Their application API must be like a spammer's wet dream.</p></div><p>Certainly sounds like it from <a href="http://pjf.id.au/blog/?position=590" title="pjf.id.au" rel="nofollow">this blog post</a> [pjf.id.au] at least... I wouldn't be surprised at all if there were many more (ab)uses like this lurking in other parts of the API.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Their application API must be like a spammer 's wet dream.Certainly sounds like it from this blog post [ pjf.id.au ] at least... I would n't be surprised at all if there were many more ( ab ) uses like this lurking in other parts of the API .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Their application API must be like a spammer's wet dream.Certainly sounds like it from this blog post [pjf.id.au] at least... I wouldn't be surprised at all if there were many more (ab)uses like this lurking in other parts of the API.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30070488</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30070610</id>
	<title>Ugly things happen ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258022880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... when people feel they need to get rich. This guy phrases it as 'controlling his destiny' to get profits as soon as possible, which IMHO reeks of addiction to money. And lets face it, some of the really rich people who control or own more or less reputable companies now have probably done some pretty shady things in the beginning of their career just to get to that point. Some probably just get there by chance, because they happen to have a talent that more or less by coincidence generates money, but some start with a real \_need\_ for money and power, which is a good incentive to not be too picky about morals and ethics. Thinks about real estate e.g., where lots of people are speculating hoping to get rich and ruthlessness can give you a real advantage.</p><p>I read about a research a while ago (years, sorry no source) that states that acquiring large sums of money creates the same kind of euphoria as for instance using cocaine as it causes the same neurotransmitters to be produced in the brain. Irrational need for more and more money is a real addiction I think and should be treated as such.</p><p>The only remarkable thing this guys is doing is being open and forward about it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... when people feel they need to get rich .
This guy phrases it as 'controlling his destiny ' to get profits as soon as possible , which IMHO reeks of addiction to money .
And lets face it , some of the really rich people who control or own more or less reputable companies now have probably done some pretty shady things in the beginning of their career just to get to that point .
Some probably just get there by chance , because they happen to have a talent that more or less by coincidence generates money , but some start with a real \ _need \ _ for money and power , which is a good incentive to not be too picky about morals and ethics .
Thinks about real estate e.g. , where lots of people are speculating hoping to get rich and ruthlessness can give you a real advantage.I read about a research a while ago ( years , sorry no source ) that states that acquiring large sums of money creates the same kind of euphoria as for instance using cocaine as it causes the same neurotransmitters to be produced in the brain .
Irrational need for more and more money is a real addiction I think and should be treated as such.The only remarkable thing this guys is doing is being open and forward about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... when people feel they need to get rich.
This guy phrases it as 'controlling his destiny' to get profits as soon as possible, which IMHO reeks of addiction to money.
And lets face it, some of the really rich people who control or own more or less reputable companies now have probably done some pretty shady things in the beginning of their career just to get to that point.
Some probably just get there by chance, because they happen to have a talent that more or less by coincidence generates money, but some start with a real \_need\_ for money and power, which is a good incentive to not be too picky about morals and ethics.
Thinks about real estate e.g., where lots of people are speculating hoping to get rich and ruthlessness can give you a real advantage.I read about a research a while ago (years, sorry no source) that states that acquiring large sums of money creates the same kind of euphoria as for instance using cocaine as it causes the same neurotransmitters to be produced in the brain.
Irrational need for more and more money is a real addiction I think and should be treated as such.The only remarkable thing this guys is doing is being open and forward about it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30071182</id>
	<title>Mafia Wars is FREE</title>
	<author>Aladrin</author>
	<datestamp>1258032120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mafia Wars is free.  You never have to install anything, spend any money, or visit any other sites.   If you want some of the special tokens, you can do those things...  But the tokens will only get you things that you could get anyway if you simply had some patience.</p><p>All of this is completely in the users' hands.  The sponsors page even says things like 'don't sign up for this if you don't really want information on the product' and things like that.   If you don't really -want- the Zwinkie toolbar, you shouldn't install it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mafia Wars is free .
You never have to install anything , spend any money , or visit any other sites .
If you want some of the special tokens , you can do those things... But the tokens will only get you things that you could get anyway if you simply had some patience.All of this is completely in the users ' hands .
The sponsors page even says things like 'do n't sign up for this if you do n't really want information on the product ' and things like that .
If you do n't really -want- the Zwinkie toolbar , you should n't install it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mafia Wars is free.
You never have to install anything, spend any money, or visit any other sites.
If you want some of the special tokens, you can do those things...  But the tokens will only get you things that you could get anyway if you simply had some patience.All of this is completely in the users' hands.
The sponsors page even says things like 'don't sign up for this if you don't really want information on the product' and things like that.
If you don't really -want- the Zwinkie toolbar, you shouldn't install it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30070880</id>
	<title>Re:And he likes that he did this...</title>
	<author>lamapper</author>
	<datestamp>1258026840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I don't place mafia wars and my facebook isn't hidden from any facebook user. Why? Because aside from my first name, no other info on there is real<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. oh, except that I'm single.</p> </div><p>So Facebook forces you to violate their terms of service in order to protect your privacy and personal information.  I consider this a huge FAIL!

</p><p>You understand of course that they could cancel you in a heartbeat if they found out and decided to enforce their terms of service which stipulates only real names can be used.

</p><p>BTW, I think that is very smart of you, not to put real information in your profile, but it would suck to get a decent following and friends list and have it all ripped away when they canceled you.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't place mafia wars and my facebook is n't hidden from any facebook user .
Why ? Because aside from my first name , no other info on there is real .. oh , except that I 'm single .
So Facebook forces you to violate their terms of service in order to protect your privacy and personal information .
I consider this a huge FAIL !
You understand of course that they could cancel you in a heartbeat if they found out and decided to enforce their terms of service which stipulates only real names can be used .
BTW , I think that is very smart of you , not to put real information in your profile , but it would suck to get a decent following and friends list and have it all ripped away when they canceled you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't place mafia wars and my facebook isn't hidden from any facebook user.
Why? Because aside from my first name, no other info on there is real .. oh, except that I'm single.
So Facebook forces you to violate their terms of service in order to protect your privacy and personal information.
I consider this a huge FAIL!
You understand of course that they could cancel you in a heartbeat if they found out and decided to enforce their terms of service which stipulates only real names can be used.
BTW, I think that is very smart of you, not to put real information in your profile, but it would suck to get a decent following and friends list and have it all ripped away when they canceled you.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30070912</id>
	<title>And he's not the only one.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258027200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I worked once for a company owning an online store. The big boss was extremely proud of himself for thinking about not offering the possibility to unsubscribe to the newsletters about products etc. The emails contained a text of the "click here to unsubscribe" sort, but it never worked.<br>His laugh when he told us this still haunts me, for years now. For him the clients were just a bunch of idiots with money to spend.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I worked once for a company owning an online store .
The big boss was extremely proud of himself for thinking about not offering the possibility to unsubscribe to the newsletters about products etc .
The emails contained a text of the " click here to unsubscribe " sort , but it never worked.His laugh when he told us this still haunts me , for years now .
For him the clients were just a bunch of idiots with money to spend .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I worked once for a company owning an online store.
The big boss was extremely proud of himself for thinking about not offering the possibility to unsubscribe to the newsletters about products etc.
The emails contained a text of the "click here to unsubscribe" sort, but it never worked.His laugh when he told us this still haunts me, for years now.
For him the clients were just a bunch of idiots with money to spend.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30071730</id>
	<title>Re:Blaming "greed" accomplishes what?</title>
	<author>Crouse45</author>
	<datestamp>1258037220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>While I agree with some of your points I fail to see how your suggestion of additional regulations is really a solution.

It&rsquo;s easy to sit there and say with more regulations this wouldn't be a problem, but its equally easy to say that if people were more mindful of their personal data this wouldn't be a problem.  Both are statements that sound good in principle but are next to impossible to implement into practice.  You&rsquo;re never going to get everyone to care about their own privacy like they should, and your never going to come up with legislation that will make the "greedy" put the welfare of society before themselves.

I say this because the greedy as you call them are really just people that seek money as a means to feel fulfilled in life, and there&rsquo;s nothing wrong with that. Making money is what makes them happy, just as "looking out for the good of society" makes other people happy. At the end of the day both sort of person are seeking happiness at the expense of the public.

The "greedy" aren't going to create a game that isn't going to be monetarily successful.  If a law was passed that outlawed all selling of personal data, they would find another way to make money off the game (more ads, charging to play, etc) or they won't make the game.</htmltext>
<tokenext>While I agree with some of your points I fail to see how your suggestion of additional regulations is really a solution .
It    s easy to sit there and say with more regulations this would n't be a problem , but its equally easy to say that if people were more mindful of their personal data this would n't be a problem .
Both are statements that sound good in principle but are next to impossible to implement into practice .
You    re never going to get everyone to care about their own privacy like they should , and your never going to come up with legislation that will make the " greedy " put the welfare of society before themselves .
I say this because the greedy as you call them are really just people that seek money as a means to feel fulfilled in life , and there    s nothing wrong with that .
Making money is what makes them happy , just as " looking out for the good of society " makes other people happy .
At the end of the day both sort of person are seeking happiness at the expense of the public .
The " greedy " are n't going to create a game that is n't going to be monetarily successful .
If a law was passed that outlawed all selling of personal data , they would find another way to make money off the game ( more ads , charging to play , etc ) or they wo n't make the game .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I agree with some of your points I fail to see how your suggestion of additional regulations is really a solution.
It’s easy to sit there and say with more regulations this wouldn't be a problem, but its equally easy to say that if people were more mindful of their personal data this wouldn't be a problem.
Both are statements that sound good in principle but are next to impossible to implement into practice.
You’re never going to get everyone to care about their own privacy like they should, and your never going to come up with legislation that will make the "greedy" put the welfare of society before themselves.
I say this because the greedy as you call them are really just people that seek money as a means to feel fulfilled in life, and there’s nothing wrong with that.
Making money is what makes them happy, just as "looking out for the good of society" makes other people happy.
At the end of the day both sort of person are seeking happiness at the expense of the public.
The "greedy" aren't going to create a game that isn't going to be monetarily successful.
If a law was passed that outlawed all selling of personal data, they would find another way to make money off the game (more ads, charging to play, etc) or they won't make the game.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30070488</id>
	<title>Does this surprise anyone?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258021080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... anyone using Facebook, that is. It's a pit of shady applications. Not even the nice applications are not annoying in some aspect. You can't even take a quiz there without having it try force itself onto others. Sometimes trying to fool you into thinking that the only way to see the results is to publish it to your friends.</p><p>There was a time when we couldn't dream of malicious quizzes, and infesting horoscopes, but Facebook brings the necessary application intelligence to us. In a bad way. Their application API must be like a spammer's wet dream.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... anyone using Facebook , that is .
It 's a pit of shady applications .
Not even the nice applications are not annoying in some aspect .
You ca n't even take a quiz there without having it try force itself onto others .
Sometimes trying to fool you into thinking that the only way to see the results is to publish it to your friends.There was a time when we could n't dream of malicious quizzes , and infesting horoscopes , but Facebook brings the necessary application intelligence to us .
In a bad way .
Their application API must be like a spammer 's wet dream .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... anyone using Facebook, that is.
It's a pit of shady applications.
Not even the nice applications are not annoying in some aspect.
You can't even take a quiz there without having it try force itself onto others.
Sometimes trying to fool you into thinking that the only way to see the results is to publish it to your friends.There was a time when we couldn't dream of malicious quizzes, and infesting horoscopes, but Facebook brings the necessary application intelligence to us.
In a bad way.
Their application API must be like a spammer's wet dream.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30070768</id>
	<title>The full Scamville series on TechCrunch</title>
	<author>Scott Kevill</author>
	<datestamp>1258025340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/10/31/scamville-the-social-gaming-ecosystem-of-hell/" title="techcrunch.com">http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/10/31/scamville-the-social-gaming-ecosystem-of-hell/</a> [techcrunch.com]</p><p>Very depressing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.techcrunch.com/2009/10/31/scamville-the-social-gaming-ecosystem-of-hell/ [ techcrunch.com ] Very depressing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/10/31/scamville-the-social-gaming-ecosystem-of-hell/ [techcrunch.com]Very depressing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30076690</id>
	<title>Re:Ugly things happen ...</title>
	<author>lewiscr</author>
	<datestamp>1258055520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Seems like if you handle money you can endure certain amounts of pain a bit more if the study is correct and you feel more strength.</p></div><p>That's because the money is covered in cocaine, and cocaine is an anesthetic.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seems like if you handle money you can endure certain amounts of pain a bit more if the study is correct and you feel more strength.That 's because the money is covered in cocaine , and cocaine is an anesthetic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seems like if you handle money you can endure certain amounts of pain a bit more if the study is correct and you feel more strength.That's because the money is covered in cocaine, and cocaine is an anesthetic.
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30070548</id>
	<title>Business men</title>
	<author>Tibia1</author>
	<datestamp>1258021800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is just a business man summing up to the obvious things that run this sort of business. If you don't control your product to maximize revenues, you are decreasing your wealth.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is just a business man summing up to the obvious things that run this sort of business .
If you do n't control your product to maximize revenues , you are decreasing your wealth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is just a business man summing up to the obvious things that run this sort of business.
If you don't control your product to maximize revenues, you are decreasing your wealth.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30074764</id>
	<title>Re:And he likes that he did this...</title>
	<author>ceoyoyo</author>
	<datestamp>1258049820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"I can respect what he is created and still not like the method he used to do it."</p><p>Ah, the ends justify the means.  That is certainly one way of looking at the world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" I can respect what he is created and still not like the method he used to do it .
" Ah , the ends justify the means .
That is certainly one way of looking at the world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I can respect what he is created and still not like the method he used to do it.
"Ah, the ends justify the means.
That is certainly one way of looking at the world.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30070486</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30079746</id>
	<title>Everyone saw this coming</title>
	<author>tengeta</author>
	<datestamp>1258023180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But when its Google, its all good... Morons.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But when its Google , its all good... Morons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But when its Google, its all good... Morons.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30071592</id>
	<title>Re:Mafia Wars is FREE</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258036260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>THANKYOU!!!! I can't believe I had to scroll down this far to get a positive comment about MW</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>THANKYOU ! ! ! !
I ca n't believe I had to scroll down this far to get a positive comment about MW</tokentext>
<sentencetext>THANKYOU!!!!
I can't believe I had to scroll down this far to get a positive comment about MW</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30071182</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30072254</id>
	<title>Shocked I am!  Shocked!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258039740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who would have guessed that the sort of pathetic douchebag who hangs out on Facebook would be susceptible to being scammed?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who would have guessed that the sort of pathetic douchebag who hangs out on Facebook would be susceptible to being scammed ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who would have guessed that the sort of pathetic douchebag who hangs out on Facebook would be susceptible to being scammed?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30074204</id>
	<title>Re:Ugly things happen ...</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1258048020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>It's called a highly progressive income tax, which includes capital gains.</i></p><p>I don't think that will cure money "addiction" any more than the high price of drugs cures drug addiction. No matter how much you tax cigarettes people are going to continue to smoke them.</p><p>A highly progressive income tax makes sense because you should tax people who can afford it (taxing the poor is downright evil), and the fact that the rich benefit from government and its taxation far more than a poor person does.</p><p>As to the capital gains tax, I'd like it abolished. Capital gains should be taxed as income, because it is, in fact, income.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's called a highly progressive income tax , which includes capital gains.I do n't think that will cure money " addiction " any more than the high price of drugs cures drug addiction .
No matter how much you tax cigarettes people are going to continue to smoke them.A highly progressive income tax makes sense because you should tax people who can afford it ( taxing the poor is downright evil ) , and the fact that the rich benefit from government and its taxation far more than a poor person does.As to the capital gains tax , I 'd like it abolished .
Capital gains should be taxed as income , because it is , in fact , income .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's called a highly progressive income tax, which includes capital gains.I don't think that will cure money "addiction" any more than the high price of drugs cures drug addiction.
No matter how much you tax cigarettes people are going to continue to smoke them.A highly progressive income tax makes sense because you should tax people who can afford it (taxing the poor is downright evil), and the fact that the rich benefit from government and its taxation far more than a poor person does.As to the capital gains tax, I'd like it abolished.
Capital gains should be taxed as income, because it is, in fact, income.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30071126</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30071210</id>
	<title>Re:Blaming "greed" accomplishes what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258032660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>  Thus, given that greedy people will inevitably be in positions of power, we need to construct rules which ensure that this greed doesn't harm society.</p></div><p>Yet the rules are made by those in positions of power.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Thus , given that greedy people will inevitably be in positions of power , we need to construct rules which ensure that this greed does n't harm society.Yet the rules are made by those in positions of power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>  Thus, given that greedy people will inevitably be in positions of power, we need to construct rules which ensure that this greed doesn't harm society.Yet the rules are made by those in positions of power.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30071062</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30071036</id>
	<title>The first words in "The Godfather" novel were....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258029420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Behind every great fortune is a crime." -- Honor&#233; de Balzac</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Behind every great fortune is a crime .
" -- Honor   de Balzac</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Behind every great fortune is a crime.
" -- Honoré de Balzac</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30071126</id>
	<title>Re:Ugly things happen ...</title>
	<author>QuoteMstr</author>
	<datestamp>1258030920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Irrational need for more and more money is a real addiction I think and should be treated as such.</p></div></blockquote><p>Saying this won't be popular around here, but we already have a perfectly good treatment for wealth addition.</p><p>It's called a highly progressive income tax, which includes capital gains.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Irrational need for more and more money is a real addiction I think and should be treated as such.Saying this wo n't be popular around here , but we already have a perfectly good treatment for wealth addition.It 's called a highly progressive income tax , which includes capital gains .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Irrational need for more and more money is a real addiction I think and should be treated as such.Saying this won't be popular around here, but we already have a perfectly good treatment for wealth addition.It's called a highly progressive income tax, which includes capital gains.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30070610</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30070486</id>
	<title>And he likes that he did this...</title>
	<author>lamapper</author>
	<datestamp>1258021080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>The guy is pretty much bragging about how and what he did to start his company.  I can respect what he is created and still not like the method he used to do it.

<p>Anything that exposes additional personal information on us to the web is bad IMO.  All personal info, should be OFF by default anything less is unacceptable.  If I choose to click a box and expose personal info, it should only be by my choice, not to agree to a TOS.

</p><p>The guy even admits that the polls were BS, just collecting a user's personal information for selling to advertisers to generate revenue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The guy is pretty much bragging about how and what he did to start his company .
I can respect what he is created and still not like the method he used to do it .
Anything that exposes additional personal information on us to the web is bad IMO .
All personal info , should be OFF by default anything less is unacceptable .
If I choose to click a box and expose personal info , it should only be by my choice , not to agree to a TOS .
The guy even admits that the polls were BS , just collecting a user 's personal information for selling to advertisers to generate revenue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The guy is pretty much bragging about how and what he did to start his company.
I can respect what he is created and still not like the method he used to do it.
Anything that exposes additional personal information on us to the web is bad IMO.
All personal info, should be OFF by default anything less is unacceptable.
If I choose to click a box and expose personal info, it should only be by my choice, not to agree to a TOS.
The guy even admits that the polls were BS, just collecting a user's personal information for selling to advertisers to generate revenue.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30070844</id>
	<title>Instead of attacking his morals...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258026300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Instead of attacking his morals, let's attack the business plan and point out why upsetting your customers and breaking that important trust relationship is a bad long term strategy.</p><p>Take Amazon or PayPal for example... Would you use them again if they didn't accept a return unreasonably or stole your money?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Instead of attacking his morals , let 's attack the business plan and point out why upsetting your customers and breaking that important trust relationship is a bad long term strategy.Take Amazon or PayPal for example... Would you use them again if they did n't accept a return unreasonably or stole your money ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Instead of attacking his morals, let's attack the business plan and point out why upsetting your customers and breaking that important trust relationship is a bad long term strategy.Take Amazon or PayPal for example... Would you use them again if they didn't accept a return unreasonably or stole your money?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30074660</id>
	<title>Re:They run the world.</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1258049520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Why getting mad at this guy, while great scammers run the world?</i></p><p>For the same reason you should hate the great scammers that run the world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why getting mad at this guy , while great scammers run the world ? For the same reason you should hate the great scammers that run the world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why getting mad at this guy, while great scammers run the world?For the same reason you should hate the great scammers that run the world.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30070742</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30072884</id>
	<title>Re:Seen the likes before</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258042440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>A friend of mine wrote a program<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...

When I spoke to his boss about this</p></div><p>Where I'm from, being someone's "friend" means having their back...like, you know, not trying to get them fired.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>A friend of mine wrote a program .. . When I spoke to his boss about thisWhere I 'm from , being someone 's " friend " means having their back...like , you know , not trying to get them fired .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A friend of mine wrote a program ...

When I spoke to his boss about thisWhere I'm from, being someone's "friend" means having their back...like, you know, not trying to get them fired.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30070594</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30075938</id>
	<title>Selective ad-blocking for Facebook?</title>
	<author>Animats</author>
	<datestamp>1258053120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
So most of these scam networks block Northern California, to prevent Facebook HQ from seeing them?  So that's why I don't see them.
I'm a few miles from Facebook HQ.  I've completely missed this phenomenon.
</p><p>
I'd applied <a href="http://www.sitetruth.com/" title="sitetruth.com">SiteTruth</a> [sitetruth.com] to Google ads, trying to <a href="http://www.sitetruth.com/downloads/adrater.html" title="sitetruth.com">warn users about the "bottom feeders"</a> [sitetruth.com] with no identifiable legitimate business behind the ad.
Myspace is mostly Google ads, so that's covered.  Google ads in general are about 35\% "bottom feeders" (we track this), but on Myspace, the percentage is much higher.  From the article, Facebook has a similar problem, but it's mostly in the form
of Facebook-specific ads, games, etc.  We're not catching those.
</p><p>
Maybe it's time to do that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So most of these scam networks block Northern California , to prevent Facebook HQ from seeing them ?
So that 's why I do n't see them .
I 'm a few miles from Facebook HQ .
I 've completely missed this phenomenon .
I 'd applied SiteTruth [ sitetruth.com ] to Google ads , trying to warn users about the " bottom feeders " [ sitetruth.com ] with no identifiable legitimate business behind the ad .
Myspace is mostly Google ads , so that 's covered .
Google ads in general are about 35 \ % " bottom feeders " ( we track this ) , but on Myspace , the percentage is much higher .
From the article , Facebook has a similar problem , but it 's mostly in the form of Facebook-specific ads , games , etc .
We 're not catching those .
Maybe it 's time to do that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
So most of these scam networks block Northern California, to prevent Facebook HQ from seeing them?
So that's why I don't see them.
I'm a few miles from Facebook HQ.
I've completely missed this phenomenon.
I'd applied SiteTruth [sitetruth.com] to Google ads, trying to warn users about the "bottom feeders" [sitetruth.com] with no identifiable legitimate business behind the ad.
Myspace is mostly Google ads, so that's covered.
Google ads in general are about 35\% "bottom feeders" (we track this), but on Myspace, the percentage is much higher.
From the article, Facebook has a similar problem, but it's mostly in the form
of Facebook-specific ads, games, etc.
We're not catching those.
Maybe it's time to do that.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30071044</id>
	<title>There needs to be a class action lawsuit...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258029540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... if not a criminal investigation.  C'mon guys, he (and others) openly admit to fraudulently signing up users for subscription based texting schemes without EVER (even in the fine print) asking for the permission of the user.  Considering that the carriers also benefited (I think they got half of the proceeds) they should also be strung up by the b***s for their complicity.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... if not a criminal investigation .
C'mon guys , he ( and others ) openly admit to fraudulently signing up users for subscription based texting schemes without EVER ( even in the fine print ) asking for the permission of the user .
Considering that the carriers also benefited ( I think they got half of the proceeds ) they should also be strung up by the b * * * s for their complicity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... if not a criminal investigation.
C'mon guys, he (and others) openly admit to fraudulently signing up users for subscription based texting schemes without EVER (even in the fine print) asking for the permission of the user.
Considering that the carriers also benefited (I think they got half of the proceeds) they should also be strung up by the b***s for their complicity.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30072130</id>
	<title>Re:Seen the likes before</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258039200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Until someone like me comes along, who does not care, even <em>if</em> he gets sued afterwards, if it's worth it, finds the address of them, catches them at night, puts a sack over them, and drives them to the woods is the party van, for a nice little anonymous beating that will teach him for life.</p><p>You know, as long as I'm not caught "it's not illegal, but a 'gray area', so I don't care", right? Right?</p><p>Sometimes the old times, when the law of the jungle was still the natural way, are still the most righteous times.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Until someone like me comes along , who does not care , even if he gets sued afterwards , if it 's worth it , finds the address of them , catches them at night , puts a sack over them , and drives them to the woods is the party van , for a nice little anonymous beating that will teach him for life.You know , as long as I 'm not caught " it 's not illegal , but a 'gray area ' , so I do n't care " , right ?
Right ? Sometimes the old times , when the law of the jungle was still the natural way , are still the most righteous times .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Until someone like me comes along, who does not care, even if he gets sued afterwards, if it's worth it, finds the address of them, catches them at night, puts a sack over them, and drives them to the woods is the party van, for a nice little anonymous beating that will teach him for life.You know, as long as I'm not caught "it's not illegal, but a 'gray area', so I don't care", right?
Right?Sometimes the old times, when the law of the jungle was still the natural way, are still the most righteous times.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30070594</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30073942</id>
	<title>Re:Getting rid of toolbars</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258046940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't deny that Hijackthis is a great tool, I use it all the time; however, if a program really wants to be on your computer, there are many ways of hiding/installing/reinstalling that Hijackthis does not see, and it is trivial to reinstall the IE Toolbars (and Firefox Toolbars as Microsoft has learned) that Hijackthis removes next time IE is opened, or you reboot or whatever.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't deny that Hijackthis is a great tool , I use it all the time ; however , if a program really wants to be on your computer , there are many ways of hiding/installing/reinstalling that Hijackthis does not see , and it is trivial to reinstall the IE Toolbars ( and Firefox Toolbars as Microsoft has learned ) that Hijackthis removes next time IE is opened , or you reboot or whatever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't deny that Hijackthis is a great tool, I use it all the time; however, if a program really wants to be on your computer, there are many ways of hiding/installing/reinstalling that Hijackthis does not see, and it is trivial to reinstall the IE Toolbars (and Firefox Toolbars as Microsoft has learned) that Hijackthis removes next time IE is opened, or you reboot or whatever.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30070794</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30071334</id>
	<title>More technologically advanced scams.</title>
	<author>Alex Belits</author>
	<datestamp>1258034280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am sure, supporters of this fine example of business will also defend <a href="http://www.healthnews6.com/" title="healthnews6.com">this</a> [healthnews6.com] scam.</p><p>It's a true masterpiece -- from dynamically generated "comments", to a disclaimer that everything on the page is a lie disguised as a "Terms and Conditions" fine print.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am sure , supporters of this fine example of business will also defend this [ healthnews6.com ] scam.It 's a true masterpiece -- from dynamically generated " comments " , to a disclaimer that everything on the page is a lie disguised as a " Terms and Conditions " fine print .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am sure, supporters of this fine example of business will also defend this [healthnews6.com] scam.It's a true masterpiece -- from dynamically generated "comments", to a disclaimer that everything on the page is a lie disguised as a "Terms and Conditions" fine print.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30073460</id>
	<title>Facebook Purity FTW</title>
	<author>Anonymous Psychopath</author>
	<datestamp>1258044600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you are using Firefox, Safari, Opera or Chrome, get Greasemonkey and install the Facebook Purity script (http://steeev.freehostia.com/wp/2009/03/19/facebook\_purity\_cleans\_up\_the\_facebook\_homepage/).</p><p>It blocks Mafia Wars, Farmville, quizzes and more. Basically you just see stuff your friends actually write.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you are using Firefox , Safari , Opera or Chrome , get Greasemonkey and install the Facebook Purity script ( http : //steeev.freehostia.com/wp/2009/03/19/facebook \ _purity \ _cleans \ _up \ _the \ _facebook \ _homepage/ ) .It blocks Mafia Wars , Farmville , quizzes and more .
Basically you just see stuff your friends actually write .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you are using Firefox, Safari, Opera or Chrome, get Greasemonkey and install the Facebook Purity script (http://steeev.freehostia.com/wp/2009/03/19/facebook\_purity\_cleans\_up\_the\_facebook\_homepage/).It blocks Mafia Wars, Farmville, quizzes and more.
Basically you just see stuff your friends actually write.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30074182</id>
	<title>Re:And he likes that he did this...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258047960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>BTW, I think that is very smart of you, not to put real information in your profile, but it would suck to get a decent following and friends list and have it all ripped away when they canceled you.</p></div><p>If someone doesn't wind up back on your friends list if you have to rebuild it by memory probably isn't a friend anyway. People are placing far too much importance on their virtual friends roster, and less on real people. How many of those 267 friends would come pick you up off the side of the freeway if your car breaks down?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>BTW , I think that is very smart of you , not to put real information in your profile , but it would suck to get a decent following and friends list and have it all ripped away when they canceled you.If someone does n't wind up back on your friends list if you have to rebuild it by memory probably is n't a friend anyway .
People are placing far too much importance on their virtual friends roster , and less on real people .
How many of those 267 friends would come pick you up off the side of the freeway if your car breaks down ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BTW, I think that is very smart of you, not to put real information in your profile, but it would suck to get a decent following and friends list and have it all ripped away when they canceled you.If someone doesn't wind up back on your friends list if you have to rebuild it by memory probably isn't a friend anyway.
People are placing far too much importance on their virtual friends roster, and less on real people.
How many of those 267 friends would come pick you up off the side of the freeway if your car breaks down?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_12_0512235.30070880</parent>
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