<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_11_2026244</id>
	<title>LegalTorrents Launches Copyright-Compliant Tracker</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1257929700000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>drDugan writes <i>"Many legitimate media providers are using Bittorrent to distribute content, but the recent <a href="http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/04/the-pirate-bay-verdict-guilty-with-jail-time.ars">Pirate Bay legal verdict</a> and <a href="http://www.thelocal.se/21666/20090825/">closures</a> left many content downloads unavailable. Along with the ongoing <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/mininova-ordered-to-remove-all-infringing-torrents-090826/">legal issues at Mininova</a> <a href="http://www.mpaa.org/press\_releases/2006\_02\_23.pdf">and other sites</a>, options have been scarce for legitimate <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent\_tracker">Bittorrent tracking</a> service. Once a torrent is created with a tracker URL, that tracker has to stay running for normal distribution to continue. <a href="http://www.legaltorrents.com/">LegalTorrents.com</a> has quietly launched a solution with <a href="http://www.legaltorrents.com/about/member\_self\_publishing">three open Bittorent trackers</a> for its members, including a fully automated, community-based <a href="http://www.legaltorrents.com/flag\_content">flagging system</a> to blacklist and immediately remove copyright-infringing content.  Users submit SHA1 hash values for content with infringing materials.  Site members can include and track their own published materials regardless of flagging."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>drDugan writes " Many legitimate media providers are using Bittorrent to distribute content , but the recent Pirate Bay legal verdict and closures left many content downloads unavailable .
Along with the ongoing legal issues at Mininova and other sites , options have been scarce for legitimate Bittorrent tracking service .
Once a torrent is created with a tracker URL , that tracker has to stay running for normal distribution to continue .
LegalTorrents.com has quietly launched a solution with three open Bittorent trackers for its members , including a fully automated , community-based flagging system to blacklist and immediately remove copyright-infringing content .
Users submit SHA1 hash values for content with infringing materials .
Site members can include and track their own published materials regardless of flagging .
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<sentencetext>drDugan writes "Many legitimate media providers are using Bittorrent to distribute content, but the recent Pirate Bay legal verdict and closures left many content downloads unavailable.
Along with the ongoing legal issues at Mininova and other sites, options have been scarce for legitimate Bittorrent tracking service.
Once a torrent is created with a tracker URL, that tracker has to stay running for normal distribution to continue.
LegalTorrents.com has quietly launched a solution with three open Bittorent trackers for its members, including a fully automated, community-based flagging system to blacklist and immediately remove copyright-infringing content.
Users submit SHA1 hash values for content with infringing materials.
Site members can include and track their own published materials regardless of flagging.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30066150</id>
	<title>Re:slashvertisement</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257072540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>eeeehhhh....<br>
<br>
I'm still able to access, use, search, and download stuff with piratebay.<br> <br>
Closure???</htmltext>
<tokenext>eeeehhhh... . I 'm still able to access , use , search , and download stuff with piratebay .
Closure ? ? ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>eeeehhhh....

I'm still able to access, use, search, and download stuff with piratebay.
Closure???</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30068118</id>
	<title>Re:... why bother?</title>
	<author>StikyPad</author>
	<datestamp>1257084180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Keep trying to force your business model on people, you'll go under.</i></p><p>Yeah, just like the cable companies, Microsoft, Apple with it's iPhone, etc...</p><p>You use the term "people" like they're some single object that all wants the same thing.  As long as *some* people want the product, and revenue exceeds costs, then *any* company can remain solvent, regardless of how you personally feel about it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Keep trying to force your business model on people , you 'll go under.Yeah , just like the cable companies , Microsoft , Apple with it 's iPhone , etc...You use the term " people " like they 're some single object that all wants the same thing .
As long as * some * people want the product , and revenue exceeds costs , then * any * company can remain solvent , regardless of how you personally feel about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Keep trying to force your business model on people, you'll go under.Yeah, just like the cable companies, Microsoft, Apple with it's iPhone, etc...You use the term "people" like they're some single object that all wants the same thing.
As long as *some* people want the product, and revenue exceeds costs, then *any* company can remain solvent, regardless of how you personally feel about it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30065586</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30066972</id>
	<title>Poor Mininova</title>
	<author>agentc0re</author>
	<datestamp>1257076260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>"The court did not agree with Mininova&amp;rsquo;s defense that it is impossible to moderate all torrents that are uploaded to the site. It further said that Mininova is encouraging its users to download copyrighted material, helped by the several moderators that the site has in place." - http://torrentfreak.com/mininova-ordered-to-remove-all-infringing-torrents-090826/<br><br>What....Seriously?  So what if i don't agree with the fact that Cops can't remove all criminals from the streets?  Can i sue the city?  No, because it's impossible to police everyone and everything.  They are doing their best, and they expect something that they can't even provide with services they offer the community.<br><br>You know, maybe all the torrent sites should get together and shutdown for a whole month.  Watch all these assholes cry because there is now NOTHING on the internet...  figuratively speaking of course.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" The court did not agree with Mininova    s defense that it is impossible to moderate all torrents that are uploaded to the site .
It further said that Mininova is encouraging its users to download copyrighted material , helped by the several moderators that the site has in place .
" - http : //torrentfreak.com/mininova-ordered-to-remove-all-infringing-torrents-090826/What....Seriously ?
So what if i do n't agree with the fact that Cops ca n't remove all criminals from the streets ?
Can i sue the city ?
No , because it 's impossible to police everyone and everything .
They are doing their best , and they expect something that they ca n't even provide with services they offer the community.You know , maybe all the torrent sites should get together and shutdown for a whole month .
Watch all these assholes cry because there is now NOTHING on the internet... figuratively speaking of course .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The court did not agree with Mininova’s defense that it is impossible to moderate all torrents that are uploaded to the site.
It further said that Mininova is encouraging its users to download copyrighted material, helped by the several moderators that the site has in place.
" - http://torrentfreak.com/mininova-ordered-to-remove-all-infringing-torrents-090826/What....Seriously?
So what if i don't agree with the fact that Cops can't remove all criminals from the streets?
Can i sue the city?
No, because it's impossible to police everyone and everything.
They are doing their best, and they expect something that they can't even provide with services they offer the community.You know, maybe all the torrent sites should get together and shutdown for a whole month.
Watch all these assholes cry because there is now NOTHING on the internet...  figuratively speaking of course.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30065880</id>
	<title>alternative to central torrent search</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257071400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder why nobody has thought to put the torrent database on p2p network itself. people could donate their computers to act as torrent search servers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder why nobody has thought to put the torrent database on p2p network itself .
people could donate their computers to act as torrent search servers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder why nobody has thought to put the torrent database on p2p network itself.
people could donate their computers to act as torrent search servers.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30067072</id>
	<title>mod do3n</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257076800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>politics openly. intentions and *BSD is dead. declined in market backwards.  To the do, and with any and that the floor another troubled could save it</htmltext>
<tokenext>politics openly .
intentions and * BSD is dead .
declined in market backwards .
To the do , and with any and that the floor another troubled could save it</tokentext>
<sentencetext>politics openly.
intentions and *BSD is dead.
declined in market backwards.
To the do, and with any and that the floor another troubled could save it</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30066260</id>
	<title>Re:slashvertisement</title>
	<author>Kjella</author>
	<datestamp>1257072900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In other words, until you're big enough to have one asshat flag you and "tough luck, you'll need a membership to stop it being deleted". I guess you're technically correct but given the number of asshats on the Internet I'd say it works out the same. Unless there's some ToS problem, I'd just add all the open trackers like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent\_tracker#Open\_trackers" title="wikipedia.org">OpenBitTorrent, The HiddenTracker, OpenBitTorrent.kg, PublicBitTorrent and BitTrk</a> [wikipedia.org]. Host the torrent yourself, everybody loks at that but honestly nobody looks at what tracker(s) you're using unless they're ALL down.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In other words , until you 're big enough to have one asshat flag you and " tough luck , you 'll need a membership to stop it being deleted " .
I guess you 're technically correct but given the number of asshats on the Internet I 'd say it works out the same .
Unless there 's some ToS problem , I 'd just add all the open trackers like OpenBitTorrent , The HiddenTracker , OpenBitTorrent.kg , PublicBitTorrent and BitTrk [ wikipedia.org ] .
Host the torrent yourself , everybody loks at that but honestly nobody looks at what tracker ( s ) you 're using unless they 're ALL down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In other words, until you're big enough to have one asshat flag you and "tough luck, you'll need a membership to stop it being deleted".
I guess you're technically correct but given the number of asshats on the Internet I'd say it works out the same.
Unless there's some ToS problem, I'd just add all the open trackers like OpenBitTorrent, The HiddenTracker, OpenBitTorrent.kg, PublicBitTorrent and BitTrk [wikipedia.org].
Host the torrent yourself, everybody loks at that but honestly nobody looks at what tracker(s) you're using unless they're ALL down.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30065974</id>
	<title>News alert</title>
	<author>tirnacopu</author>
	<datestamp>1257071880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> November, 2015: the world's first and only legal movie torrents tracker announces a breakthrough as they register more than over 100 (one hundred) simultaneous active transfers. The website's administrator, who strangely declined to reveal his name (mumbling something about a "revoked geek card") credits the help and careful surveillance of the RIAA for this feat. The RIAA spokesman adds: "We are more than content with the outcome of our 1.5 (one point five) billion dollars investment in trained personnel, storage for copies of every published work in existence, recognition software and processing raw power. We look forward to the new H2D2 video formats stored on petabyte-sized disks, that will double our investment and your satisfaction".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>November , 2015 : the world 's first and only legal movie torrents tracker announces a breakthrough as they register more than over 100 ( one hundred ) simultaneous active transfers .
The website 's administrator , who strangely declined to reveal his name ( mumbling something about a " revoked geek card " ) credits the help and careful surveillance of the RIAA for this feat .
The RIAA spokesman adds : " We are more than content with the outcome of our 1.5 ( one point five ) billion dollars investment in trained personnel , storage for copies of every published work in existence , recognition software and processing raw power .
We look forward to the new H2D2 video formats stored on petabyte-sized disks , that will double our investment and your satisfaction " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> November, 2015: the world's first and only legal movie torrents tracker announces a breakthrough as they register more than over 100 (one hundred) simultaneous active transfers.
The website's administrator, who strangely declined to reveal his name (mumbling something about a "revoked geek card") credits the help and careful surveillance of the RIAA for this feat.
The RIAA spokesman adds: "We are more than content with the outcome of our 1.5 (one point five) billion dollars investment in trained personnel, storage for copies of every published work in existence, recognition software and processing raw power.
We look forward to the new H2D2 video formats stored on petabyte-sized disks, that will double our investment and your satisfaction".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30065534</id>
	<title>A tracker, for copyright-complaint .torrents?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257069540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All copyright complaints must now be posted by uploading a<nobr> <wbr></nobr><a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">.torrent</a> [goatse.fr] file to that tracker?</p><p>Nobody uses torrents anymore anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All copyright complaints must now be posted by uploading a .torrent [ goatse.fr ] file to that tracker ? Nobody uses torrents anymore anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All copyright complaints must now be posted by uploading a .torrent [goatse.fr] file to that tracker?Nobody uses torrents anymore anyway.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30067746</id>
	<title>DRM</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257081120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>My understanding is that what pirates want, is the same thing but without having to hand over money.</p></div></blockquote><p>It depends on the pirate.  For music, I think you're almost always right.</p><p>For TV and movies, what some pirates want is unDRMed files.  They're willing to pay for it, but it's not for sale at any price.  Try playing a BluRay with mplayer sometime, or get a cablecard driver for Linux, and you quickly run into trouble.  Pirates offer files without DRM.</p><p>Same goes for most offline Windows games too.  If the non-pirate version requires a weirdo CDROM driver that does fuck-knows-what to your system, then they could offer the game for free but it still wouldn't be nearly as good as the pirated version.</p><p>Shit for money can't compete against good stuff for free, but good stuff for money might be able to compete with good stuff for free.  Or maybe not, but if publishers don't even try, then I'm not going to cry for them.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>My understanding is that what pirates want , is the same thing but without having to hand over money.It depends on the pirate .
For music , I think you 're almost always right.For TV and movies , what some pirates want is unDRMed files .
They 're willing to pay for it , but it 's not for sale at any price .
Try playing a BluRay with mplayer sometime , or get a cablecard driver for Linux , and you quickly run into trouble .
Pirates offer files without DRM.Same goes for most offline Windows games too .
If the non-pirate version requires a weirdo CDROM driver that does fuck-knows-what to your system , then they could offer the game for free but it still would n't be nearly as good as the pirated version.Shit for money ca n't compete against good stuff for free , but good stuff for money might be able to compete with good stuff for free .
Or maybe not , but if publishers do n't even try , then I 'm not going to cry for them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My understanding is that what pirates want, is the same thing but without having to hand over money.It depends on the pirate.
For music, I think you're almost always right.For TV and movies, what some pirates want is unDRMed files.
They're willing to pay for it, but it's not for sale at any price.
Try playing a BluRay with mplayer sometime, or get a cablecard driver for Linux, and you quickly run into trouble.
Pirates offer files without DRM.Same goes for most offline Windows games too.
If the non-pirate version requires a weirdo CDROM driver that does fuck-knows-what to your system, then they could offer the game for free but it still wouldn't be nearly as good as the pirated version.Shit for money can't compete against good stuff for free, but good stuff for money might be able to compete with good stuff for free.
Or maybe not, but if publishers don't even try, then I'm not going to cry for them.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30066402</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30067440</id>
	<title>Goodbye BitTorrent, hello again Gnutella</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257079020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>..and/or SneakerNet, or whatever they come up with next. You can't stop the signal..</htmltext>
<tokenext>..and/or SneakerNet , or whatever they come up with next .
You ca n't stop the signal. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>..and/or SneakerNet, or whatever they come up with next.
You can't stop the signal..</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30066222</id>
	<title>Re:slashvertisement</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257072780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>This is the solution <b>we</b> have come up with to minimize and prevent abuse.</i></p><p>Is that to imply you are involved with this service (beyond member that is)?<br>I had a question that doesn't appear in the FAQ</p><p>Plenty of places state how the site will respond to a member that uploads someone elses content, and a very partial description of how DMCA requests are handled - but only from the assuming I am a criminal view.</p><p>If I was to become a member, and publish my own works where I have the copyright on that work, how do you defend MY rights against DMCA notices?</p><p>To actually qualify for safe harbor provisions, the site is required by law to notify me of a take down notice, and upon my reply that I do in fact own the copyright, are required by law to put that content back up (and provide the entity sending the takedown with my contact info)</p><p>Does the site do this?  Am I as a rights holder going to still be treated like a criminal when some fool sends an illegal takedown notice to you?  Will the site follow the law and inform me?<br>Will I be compensated if this does not happen, out side of me having to press charges for damages in civil court?  (If you do not notify me, you do not qualify for safe harbor, and my own lawsuit will almost certainly win, and odds are the fool sending the takedown can sue you successfully too)</p><p>The FAQ states so many places how the rights of IP-thieves (IE RIAA and co) are protected, and not a single mention of how real IP holders rights are protected if at all.</p><p>Just curious...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is the solution we have come up with to minimize and prevent abuse.Is that to imply you are involved with this service ( beyond member that is ) ? I had a question that does n't appear in the FAQPlenty of places state how the site will respond to a member that uploads someone elses content , and a very partial description of how DMCA requests are handled - but only from the assuming I am a criminal view.If I was to become a member , and publish my own works where I have the copyright on that work , how do you defend MY rights against DMCA notices ? To actually qualify for safe harbor provisions , the site is required by law to notify me of a take down notice , and upon my reply that I do in fact own the copyright , are required by law to put that content back up ( and provide the entity sending the takedown with my contact info ) Does the site do this ?
Am I as a rights holder going to still be treated like a criminal when some fool sends an illegal takedown notice to you ?
Will the site follow the law and inform me ? Will I be compensated if this does not happen , out side of me having to press charges for damages in civil court ?
( If you do not notify me , you do not qualify for safe harbor , and my own lawsuit will almost certainly win , and odds are the fool sending the takedown can sue you successfully too ) The FAQ states so many places how the rights of IP-thieves ( IE RIAA and co ) are protected , and not a single mention of how real IP holders rights are protected if at all.Just curious.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is the solution we have come up with to minimize and prevent abuse.Is that to imply you are involved with this service (beyond member that is)?I had a question that doesn't appear in the FAQPlenty of places state how the site will respond to a member that uploads someone elses content, and a very partial description of how DMCA requests are handled - but only from the assuming I am a criminal view.If I was to become a member, and publish my own works where I have the copyright on that work, how do you defend MY rights against DMCA notices?To actually qualify for safe harbor provisions, the site is required by law to notify me of a take down notice, and upon my reply that I do in fact own the copyright, are required by law to put that content back up (and provide the entity sending the takedown with my contact info)Does the site do this?
Am I as a rights holder going to still be treated like a criminal when some fool sends an illegal takedown notice to you?
Will the site follow the law and inform me?Will I be compensated if this does not happen, out side of me having to press charges for damages in civil court?
(If you do not notify me, you do not qualify for safe harbor, and my own lawsuit will almost certainly win, and odds are the fool sending the takedown can sue you successfully too)The FAQ states so many places how the rights of IP-thieves (IE RIAA and co) are protected, and not a single mention of how real IP holders rights are protected if at all.Just curious...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30066318</id>
	<title>Hi-diddly-ho</title>
	<author>CrimsonScythe</author>
	<datestamp>1257073140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>For some reason I thought of <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h9ND9UDRkA" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">this clip</a> [youtube.com]. In light of this, I think we shall call it <b>TheFlandersBay</b>.</htmltext>
<tokenext>For some reason I thought of this clip [ youtube.com ] .
In light of this , I think we shall call it TheFlandersBay .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For some reason I thought of this clip [youtube.com].
In light of this, I think we shall call it TheFlandersBay.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30066012</id>
	<title>Re:Still, it validates the technology</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257071940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>There are legitimate users of BitTorrent technologies, and there will continue to be legitimate uses of it</p></div></blockquote><p>And even if there weren't legitimate users, there should be, if only the legislation weren't so absurd. The fact is that current "intellectual property" regulation is completely arbitrary, imposed by the corrupt organizations that have taken over our culture.</p><p>They want to use analogies as long as it benefits them, they call it "piracy" and "just like stealing" when someone copies something, yet they forget that when one buys a physical object one is entitled to do anything with it. When I buy a cat, it's not "piracy" to let it procreate and give or sell the kittens, even if I'm reducing the potential profits of the cat breeder.</p><p>"Intellectual property" is a privilege, not a right. It's an abstract concept invented for the sole purpose of creating an incentive for artistic and scientific work. When that incentive stops working it's time to end the privilege.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are legitimate users of BitTorrent technologies , and there will continue to be legitimate uses of itAnd even if there were n't legitimate users , there should be , if only the legislation were n't so absurd .
The fact is that current " intellectual property " regulation is completely arbitrary , imposed by the corrupt organizations that have taken over our culture.They want to use analogies as long as it benefits them , they call it " piracy " and " just like stealing " when someone copies something , yet they forget that when one buys a physical object one is entitled to do anything with it .
When I buy a cat , it 's not " piracy " to let it procreate and give or sell the kittens , even if I 'm reducing the potential profits of the cat breeder .
" Intellectual property " is a privilege , not a right .
It 's an abstract concept invented for the sole purpose of creating an incentive for artistic and scientific work .
When that incentive stops working it 's time to end the privilege .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are legitimate users of BitTorrent technologies, and there will continue to be legitimate uses of itAnd even if there weren't legitimate users, there should be, if only the legislation weren't so absurd.
The fact is that current "intellectual property" regulation is completely arbitrary, imposed by the corrupt organizations that have taken over our culture.They want to use analogies as long as it benefits them, they call it "piracy" and "just like stealing" when someone copies something, yet they forget that when one buys a physical object one is entitled to do anything with it.
When I buy a cat, it's not "piracy" to let it procreate and give or sell the kittens, even if I'm reducing the potential profits of the cat breeder.
"Intellectual property" is a privilege, not a right.
It's an abstract concept invented for the sole purpose of creating an incentive for artistic and scientific work.
When that incentive stops working it's time to end the privilege.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30065514</id>
	<title>slashvertisement</title>
	<author>sopssa</author>
	<datestamp>1257069360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This slashvertisement conveniently left out the fact that<br>1) You need to add the hash via their website, which for you need a member account and<br>2) Member accounts start at $20 an year up to $399 an year</p><p>While the trackers itself are "open", as in everyone can get the peers via them, you need to add the hash first for it to function. So no, this isn't open tracker.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This slashvertisement conveniently left out the fact that1 ) You need to add the hash via their website , which for you need a member account and2 ) Member accounts start at $ 20 an year up to $ 399 an yearWhile the trackers itself are " open " , as in everyone can get the peers via them , you need to add the hash first for it to function .
So no , this is n't open tracker .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This slashvertisement conveniently left out the fact that1) You need to add the hash via their website, which for you need a member account and2) Member accounts start at $20 an year up to $399 an yearWhile the trackers itself are "open", as in everyone can get the peers via them, you need to add the hash first for it to function.
So no, this isn't open tracker.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30067156</id>
	<title>Re:slashvertisement</title>
	<author>PopeRatzo</author>
	<datestamp>1257077280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>This is the solution we have come up with to minimize and prevent abuse.</p></div></blockquote><p>This is good work, drDugan.  I'm glad you identified yourself as part of the project.</p><p>I currently distribute my own original, Creative Commons-licensed content via bittorrent (under my professional name, not "PopeRatzo"), and I plan to sign up for an account right away.  Thanks to you and the others involved in legaltorrents.com.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is the solution we have come up with to minimize and prevent abuse.This is good work , drDugan .
I 'm glad you identified yourself as part of the project.I currently distribute my own original , Creative Commons-licensed content via bittorrent ( under my professional name , not " PopeRatzo " ) , and I plan to sign up for an account right away .
Thanks to you and the others involved in legaltorrents.com .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is the solution we have come up with to minimize and prevent abuse.This is good work, drDugan.
I'm glad you identified yourself as part of the project.I currently distribute my own original, Creative Commons-licensed content via bittorrent (under my professional name, not "PopeRatzo"), and I plan to sign up for an account right away.
Thanks to you and the others involved in legaltorrents.com.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30065752</id>
	<title>Re:slashvertisement</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257070560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, this is not accurate, the trackers are open, and can be used without adding the hash to the website.  Unfortunately, a completely open system is open to abuse, copyright infringement, and other issues.</p><p>To publish your own content, or content you have a license to distribute, membership is required to "whitelist" content, and prevent automatic removal by blacklisting.  This is the solution we have come up with to minimize and prevent abuse.</p><p>Any logged in user can flag content as copyright infringing, here<br><a href="http://www.legaltorrents.com/flag\_content" title="legaltorrents.com">http://www.legaltorrents.com/flag\_content</a> [legaltorrents.com]<br>and unless that hash value is in the whitelist (added by a member), the tracker will remove it in about 15 minutes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , this is not accurate , the trackers are open , and can be used without adding the hash to the website .
Unfortunately , a completely open system is open to abuse , copyright infringement , and other issues.To publish your own content , or content you have a license to distribute , membership is required to " whitelist " content , and prevent automatic removal by blacklisting .
This is the solution we have come up with to minimize and prevent abuse.Any logged in user can flag content as copyright infringing , herehttp : //www.legaltorrents.com/flag \ _content [ legaltorrents.com ] and unless that hash value is in the whitelist ( added by a member ) , the tracker will remove it in about 15 minutes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, this is not accurate, the trackers are open, and can be used without adding the hash to the website.
Unfortunately, a completely open system is open to abuse, copyright infringement, and other issues.To publish your own content, or content you have a license to distribute, membership is required to "whitelist" content, and prevent automatic removal by blacklisting.
This is the solution we have come up with to minimize and prevent abuse.Any logged in user can flag content as copyright infringing, herehttp://www.legaltorrents.com/flag\_content [legaltorrents.com]and unless that hash value is in the whitelist (added by a member), the tracker will remove it in about 15 minutes.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30065514</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30066302</id>
	<title>Re:Who cares?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257073080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While it's true that bits can be distributed virtually for free, it still costs something (time, money, etc.) to produce those bits in the first place; this is what everybody seems to conveniently forget around here.  I don't know what the answer is, but the free ride is not going to last forever; people need to recoup their expenses and make some kind of profit to stay in business.  I suspect it will be through some kind of advertising supported model.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While it 's true that bits can be distributed virtually for free , it still costs something ( time , money , etc .
) to produce those bits in the first place ; this is what everybody seems to conveniently forget around here .
I do n't know what the answer is , but the free ride is not going to last forever ; people need to recoup their expenses and make some kind of profit to stay in business .
I suspect it will be through some kind of advertising supported model .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While it's true that bits can be distributed virtually for free, it still costs something (time, money, etc.
) to produce those bits in the first place; this is what everybody seems to conveniently forget around here.
I don't know what the answer is, but the free ride is not going to last forever; people need to recoup their expenses and make some kind of profit to stay in business.
I suspect it will be through some kind of advertising supported model.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30065646</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30065910</id>
	<title>Re:Still, it validates the technology</title>
	<author>Kjella</author>
	<datestamp>1257071520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It's a bit like the invention of fire. You can't suppress it, despite its danger - sure, people are burned with it every day (...) but if you want to cook food (...) you can't throw it out.</p></div><p>Between my kitchen cooktop, oven and microwave - all of which run on electricity - I'd say that was a very poor example. The last time I cooked something with fire, like an actual burning flame was when I went camping. Or in a cabin on a stove using either gas or wood. The only time you'd find a flame in my kitchen is if I'm trying to flamb&#233; something or I've set the kitchen on fire, where the latter is far more likely. Particularly since the former would probably lead to the latter.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a bit like the invention of fire .
You ca n't suppress it , despite its danger - sure , people are burned with it every day ( ... ) but if you want to cook food ( ... ) you ca n't throw it out.Between my kitchen cooktop , oven and microwave - all of which run on electricity - I 'd say that was a very poor example .
The last time I cooked something with fire , like an actual burning flame was when I went camping .
Or in a cabin on a stove using either gas or wood .
The only time you 'd find a flame in my kitchen is if I 'm trying to flamb   something or I 've set the kitchen on fire , where the latter is far more likely .
Particularly since the former would probably lead to the latter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a bit like the invention of fire.
You can't suppress it, despite its danger - sure, people are burned with it every day (...) but if you want to cook food (...) you can't throw it out.Between my kitchen cooktop, oven and microwave - all of which run on electricity - I'd say that was a very poor example.
The last time I cooked something with fire, like an actual burning flame was when I went camping.
Or in a cabin on a stove using either gas or wood.
The only time you'd find a flame in my kitchen is if I'm trying to flambé something or I've set the kitchen on fire, where the latter is far more likely.
Particularly since the former would probably lead to the latter.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30065812</id>
	<title>Re:Still, it validates the technology</title>
	<author>MBCook</author>
	<datestamp>1257070980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd think the use of BitTorrent for things like <a href="http://arstechnica.com/news/posts/1079538547.html" title="arstechnica.com">World of Warcraft updates</a> [arstechnica.com], for about 5 years, is more validation than someone hosting a pay-to-join tracker for legal content.
</p><p>Aren't there already totally free trackers for legal content (like Linux ISOs, etc)?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd think the use of BitTorrent for things like World of Warcraft updates [ arstechnica.com ] , for about 5 years , is more validation than someone hosting a pay-to-join tracker for legal content .
Are n't there already totally free trackers for legal content ( like Linux ISOs , etc ) ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd think the use of BitTorrent for things like World of Warcraft updates [arstechnica.com], for about 5 years, is more validation than someone hosting a pay-to-join tracker for legal content.
Aren't there already totally free trackers for legal content (like Linux ISOs, etc)?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30065798</id>
	<title>Really?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257070920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Which version of copyrights? The MPAA and the RIAA where fair use doesn't exist? The US one where anti-circumvention tools are legal? The German version where hacking tools are illegal? Or the Canadian version where fair use and privacy actually matter ('till ACTA is signed and forces us to change our laws, at least)? Something might be legal in one situation and not in another. In the end, only the proper authorities and legal system (aka the courts and judges in most countries) of the users can fairly decide what is legal and what isn't.</p><p>And this "community-driven" system for black-flagging "illegal" content looks rife for exploitation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Which version of copyrights ?
The MPAA and the RIAA where fair use does n't exist ?
The US one where anti-circumvention tools are legal ?
The German version where hacking tools are illegal ?
Or the Canadian version where fair use and privacy actually matter ( 'till ACTA is signed and forces us to change our laws , at least ) ?
Something might be legal in one situation and not in another .
In the end , only the proper authorities and legal system ( aka the courts and judges in most countries ) of the users can fairly decide what is legal and what is n't.And this " community-driven " system for black-flagging " illegal " content looks rife for exploitation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Which version of copyrights?
The MPAA and the RIAA where fair use doesn't exist?
The US one where anti-circumvention tools are legal?
The German version where hacking tools are illegal?
Or the Canadian version where fair use and privacy actually matter ('till ACTA is signed and forces us to change our laws, at least)?
Something might be legal in one situation and not in another.
In the end, only the proper authorities and legal system (aka the courts and judges in most countries) of the users can fairly decide what is legal and what isn't.And this "community-driven" system for black-flagging "illegal" content looks rife for exploitation.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30074584</id>
	<title>Re:Legal Torrents</title>
	<author>patrick\_hx</author>
	<datestamp>1258049280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>

I'm wondering how "Profane MuthaFucka" is so insightful here.<br> <br>

Approved... how so? The point of this article is that for $20/year ($1.67/month) LegalTorrents will provide a reliable tracking service so YOU can host and publish anything you want with Bittorrent. For $45/year (less than $4/month !!) they will *HOST* 10GB of your content AND DISTRIBUTE it for you with no bandwidth charges.
<br> <br>
This service is super cheap and available to anyone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm wondering how " Profane MuthaFucka " is so insightful here .
Approved... how so ?
The point of this article is that for $ 20/year ( $ 1.67/month ) LegalTorrents will provide a reliable tracking service so YOU can host and publish anything you want with Bittorrent .
For $ 45/year ( less than $ 4/month ! !
) they will * HOST * 10GB of your content AND DISTRIBUTE it for you with no bandwidth charges .
This service is super cheap and available to anyone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>

I'm wondering how "Profane MuthaFucka" is so insightful here.
Approved... how so?
The point of this article is that for $20/year ($1.67/month) LegalTorrents will provide a reliable tracking service so YOU can host and publish anything you want with Bittorrent.
For $45/year (less than $4/month !!
) they will *HOST* 10GB of your content AND DISTRIBUTE it for you with no bandwidth charges.
This service is super cheap and available to anyone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30065900</id>
	<title>Hashing</title>
	<author>b1ng0</author>
	<datestamp>1257071460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Their SHA1 hashing method will not be sufficient to detect most copyright infringements. Even one bit change in a file will result in a completely different SHA1 hash.
I am the creator of <a href="http://www.phash.org/" title="phash.org">pHash</a> [phash.org], which is well suited for this type of similarity search. The hashes do not need to be identical in order to detect duplicate or similar files, and similar files will have hashes that are "close" to one another.
This is really what they should be using.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Their SHA1 hashing method will not be sufficient to detect most copyright infringements .
Even one bit change in a file will result in a completely different SHA1 hash .
I am the creator of pHash [ phash.org ] , which is well suited for this type of similarity search .
The hashes do not need to be identical in order to detect duplicate or similar files , and similar files will have hashes that are " close " to one another .
This is really what they should be using .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Their SHA1 hashing method will not be sufficient to detect most copyright infringements.
Even one bit change in a file will result in a completely different SHA1 hash.
I am the creator of pHash [phash.org], which is well suited for this type of similarity search.
The hashes do not need to be identical in order to detect duplicate or similar files, and similar files will have hashes that are "close" to one another.
This is really what they should be using.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30067636</id>
	<title>Re:... why charge?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257080460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"There's no benefit as whatever may be available on "their" side isn't as appealing anyhow. Wake up, give people what they want and you'll make money. Keep trying to force your business model on people, you'll go under"*</p><p>People:==free stuff<br>Business model:==charge money<br>???<br>PROFIT!</p><p>*Funny stuff aside I'll let the audience figure out why those (you know who) who are "forcing their business model" aren't actually going out of business. Maybe slashdot needs less rhetoric and more reality check?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" There 's no benefit as whatever may be available on " their " side is n't as appealing anyhow .
Wake up , give people what they want and you 'll make money .
Keep trying to force your business model on people , you 'll go under " * People : = = free stuffBusiness model : = = charge money ? ? ? PROFIT !
* Funny stuff aside I 'll let the audience figure out why those ( you know who ) who are " forcing their business model " are n't actually going out of business .
Maybe slashdot needs less rhetoric and more reality check ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"There's no benefit as whatever may be available on "their" side isn't as appealing anyhow.
Wake up, give people what they want and you'll make money.
Keep trying to force your business model on people, you'll go under"*People:==free stuffBusiness model:==charge money???PROFIT!
*Funny stuff aside I'll let the audience figure out why those (you know who) who are "forcing their business model" aren't actually going out of business.
Maybe slashdot needs less rhetoric and more reality check?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30068590</id>
	<title>Re:Still, it validates the technology</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1257088200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think it's a cunning scheme.</p><p>If you have a very popular website that hosts torrents, and its name is "The Pirate Bay", it has certain connotations, and an undesirable association is formed. Well, then, if so much is in the name, then another website hosting torrents named "Legal Torrents" might go a long way towards reversing that association!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it 's a cunning scheme.If you have a very popular website that hosts torrents , and its name is " The Pirate Bay " , it has certain connotations , and an undesirable association is formed .
Well , then , if so much is in the name , then another website hosting torrents named " Legal Torrents " might go a long way towards reversing that association !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it's a cunning scheme.If you have a very popular website that hosts torrents, and its name is "The Pirate Bay", it has certain connotations, and an undesirable association is formed.
Well, then, if so much is in the name, then another website hosting torrents named "Legal Torrents" might go a long way towards reversing that association!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30066350</id>
	<title>Re:Still, it validates the technology</title>
	<author>shentino</author>
	<datestamp>1257073320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey that's right!</p><p>Blizzard might actually be a big bad corporation on OUR side here.</p><p>If ISPs start interfering with WoW's ability to update itself...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey that 's right ! Blizzard might actually be a big bad corporation on OUR side here.If ISPs start interfering with WoW 's ability to update itself.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey that's right!Blizzard might actually be a big bad corporation on OUR side here.If ISPs start interfering with WoW's ability to update itself...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30065812</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30065958</id>
	<title>"closure?"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257071820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What is with this fud about TPB being closed?</p><p>it's still there! It hasn't gone anywhere!</p><p>Why does slashdot keep quoting media sources written by people who are obviously either too old or too ignorant to type in a URL and watch a page load?!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What is with this fud about TPB being closed ? it 's still there !
It has n't gone anywhere ! Why does slashdot keep quoting media sources written by people who are obviously either too old or too ignorant to type in a URL and watch a page load ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is with this fud about TPB being closed?it's still there!
It hasn't gone anywhere!Why does slashdot keep quoting media sources written by people who are obviously either too old or too ignorant to type in a URL and watch a page load?
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30065768</id>
	<title>Re:slashvertisement</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257070680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Which is a shame, somewhere with unabiguously legal content available freely and freely would be great. I have plenty of <a href="http://lifeinmegapixels.com/" title="lifeinmegapixels.com">content</a> [lifeinmegapixels.com] that i would happily share freely, but im not going to pay to share it. Id bet there's a few others in a similar situation aswell.<br> <br>

On the other hand, even if such a place did exist, having only 512kbit upload would make sharing multi-gigabyte, multi-gigapixel images tedious anyway.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Which is a shame , somewhere with unabiguously legal content available freely and freely would be great .
I have plenty of content [ lifeinmegapixels.com ] that i would happily share freely , but im not going to pay to share it .
Id bet there 's a few others in a similar situation aswell .
On the other hand , even if such a place did exist , having only 512kbit upload would make sharing multi-gigabyte , multi-gigapixel images tedious anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Which is a shame, somewhere with unabiguously legal content available freely and freely would be great.
I have plenty of content [lifeinmegapixels.com] that i would happily share freely, but im not going to pay to share it.
Id bet there's a few others in a similar situation aswell.
On the other hand, even if such a place did exist, having only 512kbit upload would make sharing multi-gigabyte, multi-gigapixel images tedious anyway.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30070600</id>
	<title>Re:... why bother?</title>
	<author>imakemusic</author>
	<datestamp>1258022760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If I could get the service I get from torrents (practically any film/album on demand, at the highest available quality, with a decent download speed, in an open format) at a reasonable price from a legitimate vendor then I and a lot of other people would use it. There will always be pirates. There have always been pirates. The problem is that currently the pirates get a much better deal and often get a services that <i>isn't provided at all</i> by the people are trying to distribute this content through legal channels. And most of what they do to stop the pirates only harms their legitimate customers. I've never been forced to sit through a "piracy is a crime" ad at the start of a pirated film.<br> <br>
I don't think piracy is <i>right</i>. But there <i>are</i> some good reasons behind it and the only moves I've seen from the (for example) the RIAA and MPAA are threats rather than offers of a decent alternative service.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If I could get the service I get from torrents ( practically any film/album on demand , at the highest available quality , with a decent download speed , in an open format ) at a reasonable price from a legitimate vendor then I and a lot of other people would use it .
There will always be pirates .
There have always been pirates .
The problem is that currently the pirates get a much better deal and often get a services that is n't provided at all by the people are trying to distribute this content through legal channels .
And most of what they do to stop the pirates only harms their legitimate customers .
I 've never been forced to sit through a " piracy is a crime " ad at the start of a pirated film .
I do n't think piracy is right .
But there are some good reasons behind it and the only moves I 've seen from the ( for example ) the RIAA and MPAA are threats rather than offers of a decent alternative service .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I could get the service I get from torrents (practically any film/album on demand, at the highest available quality, with a decent download speed, in an open format) at a reasonable price from a legitimate vendor then I and a lot of other people would use it.
There will always be pirates.
There have always been pirates.
The problem is that currently the pirates get a much better deal and often get a services that isn't provided at all by the people are trying to distribute this content through legal channels.
And most of what they do to stop the pirates only harms their legitimate customers.
I've never been forced to sit through a "piracy is a crime" ad at the start of a pirated film.
I don't think piracy is right.
But there are some good reasons behind it and the only moves I've seen from the (for example) the RIAA and MPAA are threats rather than offers of a decent alternative service.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30065646</id>
	<title>Who cares?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257070080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ah, right, the media industry cares. Maybe they will use it. I hear they have atrocious up/down ratios though. When will they get through their thick heads that the cat is out of the bag? There will never be a time again when people have no way of communicating with one another across huge distances without needing someone else to approve the message. Digital information can be copied at next to no cost. If you believe that you can make people attribute value to something which can be copied and transported at negligible cost, then you're delusional.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah , right , the media industry cares .
Maybe they will use it .
I hear they have atrocious up/down ratios though .
When will they get through their thick heads that the cat is out of the bag ?
There will never be a time again when people have no way of communicating with one another across huge distances without needing someone else to approve the message .
Digital information can be copied at next to no cost .
If you believe that you can make people attribute value to something which can be copied and transported at negligible cost , then you 're delusional .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah, right, the media industry cares.
Maybe they will use it.
I hear they have atrocious up/down ratios though.
When will they get through their thick heads that the cat is out of the bag?
There will never be a time again when people have no way of communicating with one another across huge distances without needing someone else to approve the message.
Digital information can be copied at next to no cost.
If you believe that you can make people attribute value to something which can be copied and transported at negligible cost, then you're delusional.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30065596</id>
	<title>Still, it validates the technology</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257069840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"></div><p>It's a bit like the invention of fire.  You can't suppress it, despite its danger - sure, people are burned with it every day (and there are people out there who use it to burn people!) but if you want to cook food or refine metal, you can't throw it out.</p><p>There are legitimate users of BitTorrent technologies, and there will continue to be legitimate uses of it.  This site/service, whether it's directly useful to you or not, serves as documentation of that fact.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a bit like the invention of fire .
You ca n't suppress it , despite its danger - sure , people are burned with it every day ( and there are people out there who use it to burn people !
) but if you want to cook food or refine metal , you ca n't throw it out.There are legitimate users of BitTorrent technologies , and there will continue to be legitimate uses of it .
This site/service , whether it 's directly useful to you or not , serves as documentation of that fact .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a bit like the invention of fire.
You can't suppress it, despite its danger - sure, people are burned with it every day (and there are people out there who use it to burn people!
) but if you want to cook food or refine metal, you can't throw it out.There are legitimate users of BitTorrent technologies, and there will continue to be legitimate uses of it.
This site/service, whether it's directly useful to you or not, serves as documentation of that fact.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30066402</id>
	<title>Re:... why bother?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257073560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Wake up, give people what they want and you'll make money.</p></div></blockquote><p>
My understanding is that what pirates want, is the same thing but <i>without</i> having to hand over money.
<br> <br>
Or is this about to be another person arguing that the customer should be able to force the seller to hand over the goods at whatever price the customer fancies (including nothing) - or else they'll just take it for free anyway. Or perhaps the other argument that if you give your most valuable asset away for free, you'll magically make more money from nebulous side benefits?
<br> <br>
"Give people what they want and you'll make money?" Uh, no. <i>Sell</i> people what they want and you'll make money.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wake up , give people what they want and you 'll make money .
My understanding is that what pirates want , is the same thing but without having to hand over money .
Or is this about to be another person arguing that the customer should be able to force the seller to hand over the goods at whatever price the customer fancies ( including nothing ) - or else they 'll just take it for free anyway .
Or perhaps the other argument that if you give your most valuable asset away for free , you 'll magically make more money from nebulous side benefits ?
" Give people what they want and you 'll make money ?
" Uh , no .
Sell people what they want and you 'll make money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wake up, give people what they want and you'll make money.
My understanding is that what pirates want, is the same thing but without having to hand over money.
Or is this about to be another person arguing that the customer should be able to force the seller to hand over the goods at whatever price the customer fancies (including nothing) - or else they'll just take it for free anyway.
Or perhaps the other argument that if you give your most valuable asset away for free, you'll magically make more money from nebulous side benefits?
"Give people what they want and you'll make money?
" Uh, no.
Sell people what they want and you'll make money.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30071098</id>
	<title>Re:Hashing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258030620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The bittorrent protocol uses SHA1 hashes. A SHA1 hash uniquely identifies a specific file being up/downloaded.</p><p>Your phash would be useless, as the torrent file doesn't contain it, and the uploader is not going to calculate it for you. As for the site itself, it's only a tracker, it does not have the original file to hash.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The bittorrent protocol uses SHA1 hashes .
A SHA1 hash uniquely identifies a specific file being up/downloaded.Your phash would be useless , as the torrent file does n't contain it , and the uploader is not going to calculate it for you .
As for the site itself , it 's only a tracker , it does not have the original file to hash .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The bittorrent protocol uses SHA1 hashes.
A SHA1 hash uniquely identifies a specific file being up/downloaded.Your phash would be useless, as the torrent file doesn't contain it, and the uploader is not going to calculate it for you.
As for the site itself, it's only a tracker, it does not have the original file to hash.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30069488</id>
	<title>Re:slashvertisement</title>
	<author>ShakaUVM</author>
	<datestamp>1257098220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>BTW, don't let the normal Slashdot flamers get you down, man. The community really needed a site like yours.</p><p>Even though people like Blizzard have been using bittorrent for years to distribute patches and such, many ISPs (not to mention idiots like the *IAA orgs) are still stuck in the bittorrent = piracy mindset.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>BTW , do n't let the normal Slashdot flamers get you down , man .
The community really needed a site like yours.Even though people like Blizzard have been using bittorrent for years to distribute patches and such , many ISPs ( not to mention idiots like the * IAA orgs ) are still stuck in the bittorrent = piracy mindset .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BTW, don't let the normal Slashdot flamers get you down, man.
The community really needed a site like yours.Even though people like Blizzard have been using bittorrent for years to distribute patches and such, many ISPs (not to mention idiots like the *IAA orgs) are still stuck in the bittorrent = piracy mindset.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30065586</id>
	<title>... why bother?</title>
	<author>Lead Butthead</author>
	<datestamp>1257069780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's no benefit as whatever may be available on "their" side isn't as appealing anyhow. Wake up, give people what they want and you'll make money. Keep trying to force your business model on people, you'll go under.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's no benefit as whatever may be available on " their " side is n't as appealing anyhow .
Wake up , give people what they want and you 'll make money .
Keep trying to force your business model on people , you 'll go under .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's no benefit as whatever may be available on "their" side isn't as appealing anyhow.
Wake up, give people what they want and you'll make money.
Keep trying to force your business model on people, you'll go under.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30075270</id>
	<title>Trackers aren't the bottleneck</title>
	<author>skeeto</author>
	<datestamp>1258051080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We've had decentralized tracking for years now, based on the Kademila distributed hash table. As long as the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.torrent creator didn't turn on the <a href="http://nullprogram.com/blog/2009/10/26/your-bittorrent-client-is-probably-defective-by-design/" title="nullprogram.com">private flag DRM</a> [nullprogram.com], this system works really well, and I think it tends to provide an even richer set of peers from which to choose.</p><p>We also have <a href="http://openbittorrent.com/" title="openbittorrent.com">OpenBittorrent</a> [openbittorrent.com] which is a tracker that has no idea what it's tracking, putting it in a safer legal position than trackers have normally been in. Any torrent can use that if they wish.</p><p>The legal bottleneck is in distributing the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.torrent files themselves. This involves more than just distribution, too. You want to have user feedback to weed out malicious or fake torrents. You want to have up-to-date seeder/leacher information. <i>This</i> is the weak spot in BitTorrent right now. That's what makes TPB and Mininova and the like so important.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We 've had decentralized tracking for years now , based on the Kademila distributed hash table .
As long as the .torrent creator did n't turn on the private flag DRM [ nullprogram.com ] , this system works really well , and I think it tends to provide an even richer set of peers from which to choose.We also have OpenBittorrent [ openbittorrent.com ] which is a tracker that has no idea what it 's tracking , putting it in a safer legal position than trackers have normally been in .
Any torrent can use that if they wish.The legal bottleneck is in distributing the .torrent files themselves .
This involves more than just distribution , too .
You want to have user feedback to weed out malicious or fake torrents .
You want to have up-to-date seeder/leacher information .
This is the weak spot in BitTorrent right now .
That 's what makes TPB and Mininova and the like so important .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We've had decentralized tracking for years now, based on the Kademila distributed hash table.
As long as the .torrent creator didn't turn on the private flag DRM [nullprogram.com], this system works really well, and I think it tends to provide an even richer set of peers from which to choose.We also have OpenBittorrent [openbittorrent.com] which is a tracker that has no idea what it's tracking, putting it in a safer legal position than trackers have normally been in.
Any torrent can use that if they wish.The legal bottleneck is in distributing the .torrent files themselves.
This involves more than just distribution, too.
You want to have user feedback to weed out malicious or fake torrents.
You want to have up-to-date seeder/leacher information.
This is the weak spot in BitTorrent right now.
That's what makes TPB and Mininova and the like so important.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30066250</id>
	<title>Re:"closure?"</title>
	<author>Joren</author>
	<datestamp>1257072840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Anecdotally, it seems to be blocked for some people and not for others, and the blocking itself seems to be in flux.  The last time I saw a post on Slashdot saying it had been closed, I tried accessing it then and could not.  This time around, I can access the website.  Don't know about the torrent though, haven't tried.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anecdotally , it seems to be blocked for some people and not for others , and the blocking itself seems to be in flux .
The last time I saw a post on Slashdot saying it had been closed , I tried accessing it then and could not .
This time around , I can access the website .
Do n't know about the torrent though , have n't tried .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anecdotally, it seems to be blocked for some people and not for others, and the blocking itself seems to be in flux.
The last time I saw a post on Slashdot saying it had been closed, I tried accessing it then and could not.
This time around, I can access the website.
Don't know about the torrent though, haven't tried.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30067202</id>
	<title>Why so much hassel? Just use LegitTorrents.info</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257077640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seems like a lot of crap to sift through just to post a legal torrent. Legit Torrents is a "Copyright-Compliant Tracker" with no fees and human monitored.</p><p>http://www.legittorrents.info/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seems like a lot of crap to sift through just to post a legal torrent .
Legit Torrents is a " Copyright-Compliant Tracker " with no fees and human monitored.http : //www.legittorrents.info/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seems like a lot of crap to sift through just to post a legal torrent.
Legit Torrents is a "Copyright-Compliant Tracker" with no fees and human monitored.http://www.legittorrents.info/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30074174</id>
	<title>Re:Hashing</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1258047900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm not sure why, but I find it somewhat ironic that you released pHash under the GPL, even though its purpose is to support the kind of thing the GPL's creators are opposed to.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure why , but I find it somewhat ironic that you released pHash under the GPL , even though its purpose is to support the kind of thing the GPL 's creators are opposed to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure why, but I find it somewhat ironic that you released pHash under the GPL, even though its purpose is to support the kind of thing the GPL's creators are opposed to.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30065594</id>
	<title>Rob Malda Blows Goats!!!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257069780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">Example of a goat</a> [goatse.fr]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Example of a goat [ goatse.fr ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Example of a goat [goatse.fr]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30072972</id>
	<title>Does that make reporting illegal?</title>
	<author>logfish</author>
	<datestamp>1258042680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is being able to report the SHA1 of the content not an admission of ownership? Reporting "I downloaded this data with this SHA1, and that was an illegal act" sounds like a stupid thing to do.</p><p>On the up-side, the SHA1 can come in very handy if you want to get the magnet link for a file, so I hope they create a Bitzi like page with "SHA1: this\_and\_that, is an illegal episode of Some Series, do not try to download it (quality is very good, I would rate it a 5 out of 5 for being very illegal)".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is being able to report the SHA1 of the content not an admission of ownership ?
Reporting " I downloaded this data with this SHA1 , and that was an illegal act " sounds like a stupid thing to do.On the up-side , the SHA1 can come in very handy if you want to get the magnet link for a file , so I hope they create a Bitzi like page with " SHA1 : this \ _and \ _that , is an illegal episode of Some Series , do not try to download it ( quality is very good , I would rate it a 5 out of 5 for being very illegal ) " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is being able to report the SHA1 of the content not an admission of ownership?
Reporting "I downloaded this data with this SHA1, and that was an illegal act" sounds like a stupid thing to do.On the up-side, the SHA1 can come in very handy if you want to get the magnet link for a file, so I hope they create a Bitzi like page with "SHA1: this\_and\_that, is an illegal episode of Some Series, do not try to download it (quality is very good, I would rate it a 5 out of 5 for being very illegal)".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30065570</id>
	<title>Legal Torrents</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257069660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Torrents that have been approved by your masters, is more like it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Torrents that have been approved by your masters , is more like it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Torrents that have been approved by your masters, is more like it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30068610</id>
	<title>Re:"closure?"</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1257088380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>it's still there! It hasn't gone anywhere!</p></div><p>This seems to be varying. During the last weeks, there were two days during which the main site would simply not load at all. Keep in mind that some European countries have already blocked it, and then also there are some ISPs that are doing that preventively.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>it 's still there !
It has n't gone anywhere ! This seems to be varying .
During the last weeks , there were two days during which the main site would simply not load at all .
Keep in mind that some European countries have already blocked it , and then also there are some ISPs that are doing that preventively .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it's still there!
It hasn't gone anywhere!This seems to be varying.
During the last weeks, there were two days during which the main site would simply not load at all.
Keep in mind that some European countries have already blocked it, and then also there are some ISPs that are doing that preventively.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30065944</id>
	<title>Already done by the eMule project!</title>
	<author>Antiocheian</author>
	<datestamp>1257071760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The <a href="http://contentdb.emule-project.net/" title="emule-project.net">eMule Content Database</a> [emule-project.net] has been doing that, very successfully and for many years. Legit content, that is.</p><p>And you need no tracker in eMule. As long as the file/collection is moderately popular, once a few people download it from you it will exist in the network for ever. I know as I have published service manuals there and I can still find them after 4 years...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The eMule Content Database [ emule-project.net ] has been doing that , very successfully and for many years .
Legit content , that is.And you need no tracker in eMule .
As long as the file/collection is moderately popular , once a few people download it from you it will exist in the network for ever .
I know as I have published service manuals there and I can still find them after 4 years.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The eMule Content Database [emule-project.net] has been doing that, very successfully and for many years.
Legit content, that is.And you need no tracker in eMule.
As long as the file/collection is moderately popular, once a few people download it from you it will exist in the network for ever.
I know as I have published service manuals there and I can still find them after 4 years...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_11_2026244.30066710</id>
	<title>Transparency</title>
	<author>Alerius</author>
	<datestamp>1257074880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would find it a little less questionable if it was made clear in the summary that the story promoting a "for pay" site had been submitted by a representative of that site.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would find it a little less questionable if it was made clear in the summary that the story promoting a " for pay " site had been submitted by a representative of that site .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would find it a little less questionable if it was made clear in the summary that the story promoting a "for pay" site had been submitted by a representative of that site.</sentencetext>
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