<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_10_187202</id>
	<title>Chicago Court Throwing Out LIDAR Speeding Tickets</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1257877080000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>bridgeco writes <i>"Chicago Traffic Court Judges have been <a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-speeding-tickets-09-nov09,0,7869040.story">throwing out speeding cases in which the driver's speed was measured with a LIDAR</a>.  Judges are asking for a special 'Frye Hearing' to determine the accuracy of these devices. Many motorists nabbed for speeding by a laser gun, instead of radar, are seeing their tickets thrown out at Chicago's traffic court because of a legal issue that the city's law department has been unable to overcome.  Within the past year judges in Cook County Traffic Court in Chicago determined that speeds captured by lidar were not admissible because the devices had not been proven scientifically reliable in an Illinois court, said Jennifer Hoyle, spokeswoman for the law department, which prosecutes most speeding tickets in the city."</i> (Here's some <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lidar">background on LIDAR</a> from Wikipedia.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>bridgeco writes " Chicago Traffic Court Judges have been throwing out speeding cases in which the driver 's speed was measured with a LIDAR .
Judges are asking for a special 'Frye Hearing ' to determine the accuracy of these devices .
Many motorists nabbed for speeding by a laser gun , instead of radar , are seeing their tickets thrown out at Chicago 's traffic court because of a legal issue that the city 's law department has been unable to overcome .
Within the past year judges in Cook County Traffic Court in Chicago determined that speeds captured by lidar were not admissible because the devices had not been proven scientifically reliable in an Illinois court , said Jennifer Hoyle , spokeswoman for the law department , which prosecutes most speeding tickets in the city .
" ( Here 's some background on LIDAR from Wikipedia .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>bridgeco writes "Chicago Traffic Court Judges have been throwing out speeding cases in which the driver's speed was measured with a LIDAR.
Judges are asking for a special 'Frye Hearing' to determine the accuracy of these devices.
Many motorists nabbed for speeding by a laser gun, instead of radar, are seeing their tickets thrown out at Chicago's traffic court because of a legal issue that the city's law department has been unable to overcome.
Within the past year judges in Cook County Traffic Court in Chicago determined that speeds captured by lidar were not admissible because the devices had not been proven scientifically reliable in an Illinois court, said Jennifer Hoyle, spokeswoman for the law department, which prosecutes most speeding tickets in the city.
" (Here's some background on LIDAR from Wikipedia.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30048994</id>
	<title>Name says it all</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1257881040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>With a name like <b>LI</b>DAR, who would doubt the radar's claimed speed?</htmltext>
<tokenext>With a name like LIDAR , who would doubt the radar 's claimed speed ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With a name like LIDAR, who would doubt the radar's claimed speed?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30049882</id>
	<title>Good</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257884520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm glad somebody is standing up to this junk science. Remember, the so-called "Doppler effect" is nothing more than a theory. There are still many unanswered questions to resolve before it's conclusively proven that we can measure velocity of solid objects with nothing more than ethereal laser beams. Correlation is not causation. These self-appointed "physicists" can't even get their act together on whether laser beams are waves or particles, for crying out loud! How can they get away with fining people if they don't even know what they're emitting?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm glad somebody is standing up to this junk science .
Remember , the so-called " Doppler effect " is nothing more than a theory .
There are still many unanswered questions to resolve before it 's conclusively proven that we can measure velocity of solid objects with nothing more than ethereal laser beams .
Correlation is not causation .
These self-appointed " physicists " ca n't even get their act together on whether laser beams are waves or particles , for crying out loud !
How can they get away with fining people if they do n't even know what they 're emitting ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm glad somebody is standing up to this junk science.
Remember, the so-called "Doppler effect" is nothing more than a theory.
There are still many unanswered questions to resolve before it's conclusively proven that we can measure velocity of solid objects with nothing more than ethereal laser beams.
Correlation is not causation.
These self-appointed "physicists" can't even get their act together on whether laser beams are waves or particles, for crying out loud!
How can they get away with fining people if they don't even know what they're emitting?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30052612</id>
	<title>Re:Oh noes news at 11</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257852240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nope. Real judges down here in traffic courts. "Traffic court" in Cook County includes everything from petty tickets through Class A misdemeanors (DUIs).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nope .
Real judges down here in traffic courts .
" Traffic court " in Cook County includes everything from petty tickets through Class A misdemeanors ( DUIs ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nope.
Real judges down here in traffic courts.
"Traffic court" in Cook County includes everything from petty tickets through Class A misdemeanors (DUIs).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30050314</id>
	<title>Re:link from search</title>
	<author>TubeSteak</author>
	<datestamp>1257886080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yea, the problem with the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. link was the slash at the end<br>Now with more clicky: <a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-speeding-tickets-09-nov09,0,7869040.story" title="chicagotribune.com">http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-speeding-tickets-09-nov09,0,7869040.story</a> [chicagotribune.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yea , the problem with the / .
link was the slash at the endNow with more clicky : http : //www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-speeding-tickets-09-nov09,0,7869040.story [ chicagotribune.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yea, the problem with the /.
link was the slash at the endNow with more clicky: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-speeding-tickets-09-nov09,0,7869040.story [chicagotribune.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30051474</id>
	<title>Re:Oh noes news at 11</title>
	<author>BobMcD</author>
	<datestamp>1257847800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural\_and\_legal\_rights" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural\_and\_legal\_rights</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>Its an interesting debate.  Personally I fall on the natural rights side more often than not.</p><p>The government may be legally entitled to restrict you from exercising your right to drive, but only in a manner in accordance with respect to the rights of others.</p><p>The other excesses we tolerate are via the social contract.  And that contract is getting more and more lopsided with each re-write.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural \ _and \ _legal \ _rights [ wikipedia.org ] Its an interesting debate .
Personally I fall on the natural rights side more often than not.The government may be legally entitled to restrict you from exercising your right to drive , but only in a manner in accordance with respect to the rights of others.The other excesses we tolerate are via the social contract .
And that contract is getting more and more lopsided with each re-write .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural\_and\_legal\_rights [wikipedia.org]Its an interesting debate.
Personally I fall on the natural rights side more often than not.The government may be legally entitled to restrict you from exercising your right to drive, but only in a manner in accordance with respect to the rights of others.The other excesses we tolerate are via the social contract.
And that contract is getting more and more lopsided with each re-write.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30051208</id>
	<title>Re:other problem</title>
	<author>Stupendoussteve</author>
	<datestamp>1257846840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Curse you, AC. Can't get anything past you!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Curse you , AC .
Ca n't get anything past you !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Curse you, AC.
Can't get anything past you!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30054762</id>
	<title>Re:Oh noes news at 11</title>
	<author>joeboomer628</author>
	<datestamp>1257864660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Come on the story is from Chicago.  [$group] pays [$$$$$] to [$judicial\_entity], [$new\_technology] is best new law enforcement tool.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Come on the story is from Chicago .
[ $ group ] pays [ $ $ $ $ $ ] to [ $ judicial \ _entity ] , [ $ new \ _technology ] is best new law enforcement tool .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Come on the story is from Chicago.
[$group] pays [$$$$$] to [$judicial\_entity], [$new\_technology] is best new law enforcement tool.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30049162</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30050566</id>
	<title>bit3h</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257843900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>they Learn from our Trying to dissect</htmltext>
<tokenext>they Learn from our Trying to dissect</tokentext>
<sentencetext>they Learn from our Trying to dissect</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30054860</id>
	<title>Re:Hawaii has the same issue</title>
	<author>aaarrrgggh</author>
	<datestamp>1257865200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good enough for missiles, not good enough for Chicago (or Honolulu)...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good enough for missiles , not good enough for Chicago ( or Honolulu ) .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good enough for missiles, not good enough for Chicago (or Honolulu)...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30050176</id>
	<title>Re:Just gone one in FL</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257885480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>STOP SPEEDING, IDIOT.  You were going more than 10 over, and you expect to not get a ticket if a cop sees you?<br>
&nbsp; </p><p><div class="quote"><p>Go out and stop real crime.</p></div><p> People like you speed because they aren't paying attention, and then people get killed.  I know someone who was killed recently in FL due to idiots like you who "don't even think they were speeding".  Going with the flow of traffic is good, even if they are speeding, but if you are singled out and get a ticket then you were doing something to make yourself stand out.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>STOP SPEEDING , IDIOT .
You were going more than 10 over , and you expect to not get a ticket if a cop sees you ?
  Go out and stop real crime .
People like you speed because they are n't paying attention , and then people get killed .
I know someone who was killed recently in FL due to idiots like you who " do n't even think they were speeding " .
Going with the flow of traffic is good , even if they are speeding , but if you are singled out and get a ticket then you were doing something to make yourself stand out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>STOP SPEEDING, IDIOT.
You were going more than 10 over, and you expect to not get a ticket if a cop sees you?
  Go out and stop real crime.
People like you speed because they aren't paying attention, and then people get killed.
I know someone who was killed recently in FL due to idiots like you who "don't even think they were speeding".
Going with the flow of traffic is good, even if they are speeding, but if you are singled out and get a ticket then you were doing something to make yourself stand out.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30050838</id>
	<title>Re:other problem</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257845220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>austin powers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>austin powers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>austin powers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30049854</id>
	<title>Re:How many cases were thrown out, exactly?</title>
	<author>GrBear</author>
	<datestamp>1257884400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>What is the benefit of LIDAR? Is it more accurate, or just easier to 'aim'?</i></p><p>Both actually.  RADAR emits a conical wave of energy that literally splatters multiple lanes.  The return signal processor can get Doppler signal back from many vehicles, and reports the strongest signal (or fastest in models that support it).  It is then up to the officer to visually determine which vehicle is speeding.  It's not infallible, and subject to an officer's decision.</p><p>LIDAR on the other hand shoots out a very narrow pulsed beam that targets one specific vehicle at a time.  Officer's are usually trained to target reflective parts of a vehicle (like headlights, taillights, license plates, etc.)</p><p>There is no trying to figure out which vehicle your measuring, you target, pull the trigger and bam, instant accurate speed.. usually within under 1 second so even though your detector has gone off, it's just telling you you're speed as been taken.  Reaction time is NIL.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What is the benefit of LIDAR ?
Is it more accurate , or just easier to 'aim ' ? Both actually .
RADAR emits a conical wave of energy that literally splatters multiple lanes .
The return signal processor can get Doppler signal back from many vehicles , and reports the strongest signal ( or fastest in models that support it ) .
It is then up to the officer to visually determine which vehicle is speeding .
It 's not infallible , and subject to an officer 's decision.LIDAR on the other hand shoots out a very narrow pulsed beam that targets one specific vehicle at a time .
Officer 's are usually trained to target reflective parts of a vehicle ( like headlights , taillights , license plates , etc .
) There is no trying to figure out which vehicle your measuring , you target , pull the trigger and bam , instant accurate speed.. usually within under 1 second so even though your detector has gone off , it 's just telling you you 're speed as been taken .
Reaction time is NIL .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is the benefit of LIDAR?
Is it more accurate, or just easier to 'aim'?Both actually.
RADAR emits a conical wave of energy that literally splatters multiple lanes.
The return signal processor can get Doppler signal back from many vehicles, and reports the strongest signal (or fastest in models that support it).
It is then up to the officer to visually determine which vehicle is speeding.
It's not infallible, and subject to an officer's decision.LIDAR on the other hand shoots out a very narrow pulsed beam that targets one specific vehicle at a time.
Officer's are usually trained to target reflective parts of a vehicle (like headlights, taillights, license plates, etc.
)There is no trying to figure out which vehicle your measuring, you target, pull the trigger and bam, instant accurate speed.. usually within under 1 second so even though your detector has gone off, it's just telling you you're speed as been taken.
Reaction time is NIL.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30051600</id>
	<title>Re:Just gone one in FL</title>
	<author>dissy</author>
	<datestamp>1257848340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>... or you could just stop speeding<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... </i></p><p>But I thought the goal was to avoid a speeding ticket.  How will 'stop speeding' keep you from getting a speeding ticket?</p><p>OOOH I see what you did there.  You actually still think speeding is what triggers getting a speeding ticket!  How cute.</p><p><i>and not only laugh at everyone who's being pulled over to pay the "speed tax", but also save on fuel.</i></p><p>Well, laughing is good and all, yes.</p><p>However, some cars will get better gas millage at lower speeds, yet others at higher speeds.   Any car driving 'between gears' will get horrible gas millage depending on the optimal speed of each gear.</p><p>In order for my car to get optimal gas millage in 4th gear for example, it needs to be going about 55mph.<br>This is great for a 55mph zone!  But in a 50 mph zone this lowers gas millage (Without speeding 5mph over of course.)<br>For a 60mph zone this isn't bad as one can drive 55 and still be safe.</p><p>However some of the slower speeds like 35mph for example, are half way between 2nd and 3rd gear for me.<br>Going faster is of course speeding, but going slower can be illegal too (there is a speed minimum as well as a speed maximum) as well as dangerous as hell depending on the situation.</p><p>Also other cars will yield very different results.</p><p>In my case, in order not to pay the 'fuel tax' of a speeding ticket, I have to willingly increase the wear on my car as well as pay for more gas to get the same distance.</p><p>I'm not meaning to make an excuse for speeding here, just pointing out your blanket 'and save on gas!' statement is silly as it is quite literally different for each make/model of car.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... or you could just stop speeding ... But I thought the goal was to avoid a speeding ticket .
How will 'stop speeding ' keep you from getting a speeding ticket ? OOOH I see what you did there .
You actually still think speeding is what triggers getting a speeding ticket !
How cute.and not only laugh at everyone who 's being pulled over to pay the " speed tax " , but also save on fuel.Well , laughing is good and all , yes.However , some cars will get better gas millage at lower speeds , yet others at higher speeds .
Any car driving 'between gears ' will get horrible gas millage depending on the optimal speed of each gear.In order for my car to get optimal gas millage in 4th gear for example , it needs to be going about 55mph.This is great for a 55mph zone !
But in a 50 mph zone this lowers gas millage ( Without speeding 5mph over of course .
) For a 60mph zone this is n't bad as one can drive 55 and still be safe.However some of the slower speeds like 35mph for example , are half way between 2nd and 3rd gear for me.Going faster is of course speeding , but going slower can be illegal too ( there is a speed minimum as well as a speed maximum ) as well as dangerous as hell depending on the situation.Also other cars will yield very different results.In my case , in order not to pay the 'fuel tax ' of a speeding ticket , I have to willingly increase the wear on my car as well as pay for more gas to get the same distance.I 'm not meaning to make an excuse for speeding here , just pointing out your blanket 'and save on gas !
' statement is silly as it is quite literally different for each make/model of car .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... or you could just stop speeding ... But I thought the goal was to avoid a speeding ticket.
How will 'stop speeding' keep you from getting a speeding ticket?OOOH I see what you did there.
You actually still think speeding is what triggers getting a speeding ticket!
How cute.and not only laugh at everyone who's being pulled over to pay the "speed tax", but also save on fuel.Well, laughing is good and all, yes.However, some cars will get better gas millage at lower speeds, yet others at higher speeds.
Any car driving 'between gears' will get horrible gas millage depending on the optimal speed of each gear.In order for my car to get optimal gas millage in 4th gear for example, it needs to be going about 55mph.This is great for a 55mph zone!
But in a 50 mph zone this lowers gas millage (Without speeding 5mph over of course.
)For a 60mph zone this isn't bad as one can drive 55 and still be safe.However some of the slower speeds like 35mph for example, are half way between 2nd and 3rd gear for me.Going faster is of course speeding, but going slower can be illegal too (there is a speed minimum as well as a speed maximum) as well as dangerous as hell depending on the situation.Also other cars will yield very different results.In my case, in order not to pay the 'fuel tax' of a speeding ticket, I have to willingly increase the wear on my car as well as pay for more gas to get the same distance.I'm not meaning to make an excuse for speeding here, just pointing out your blanket 'and save on gas!
' statement is silly as it is quite literally different for each make/model of car.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30049012</id>
	<title>Hawaii has the same issue</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257881100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2009910220360" title="honoluluadvertiser.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2009910220360</a> [honoluluadvertiser.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article ? AID = 2009910220360 [ honoluluadvertiser.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2009910220360 [honoluluadvertiser.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30053530</id>
	<title>Re:Oh noes news at 11</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1257857160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Pff, wake me up when Firefox 3.6 is out.</p></div><p>You mean, when [$product] [$version] is out?</p><p>(By the way, what's with all the square brackets? Isn't $ alone enough in all sane languages/template processors?)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Pff , wake me up when Firefox 3.6 is out.You mean , when [ $ product ] [ $ version ] is out ?
( By the way , what 's with all the square brackets ?
Is n't $ alone enough in all sane languages/template processors ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pff, wake me up when Firefox 3.6 is out.You mean, when [$product] [$version] is out?
(By the way, what's with all the square brackets?
Isn't $ alone enough in all sane languages/template processors?
)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30051618</id>
	<title>Why do things by half?</title>
	<author>nedlohs</author>
	<datestamp>1257848460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>If they fail, Hoyle said, the prosecutors will seek a state law that explicitly recognizes lidar as scientifically reliable.</p></div></blockquote><p>Why not just seek a state law that explicitly recognizes the eyeball judgment by the ticketing officer as scientifically reliable?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If they fail , Hoyle said , the prosecutors will seek a state law that explicitly recognizes lidar as scientifically reliable.Why not just seek a state law that explicitly recognizes the eyeball judgment by the ticketing officer as scientifically reliable ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they fail, Hoyle said, the prosecutors will seek a state law that explicitly recognizes lidar as scientifically reliable.Why not just seek a state law that explicitly recognizes the eyeball judgment by the ticketing officer as scientifically reliable?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30051870</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah, but it is reliable.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257849360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you can make a device that can detect the red shift of something moving at the speed of light refelcted from something moving 1/299,792,458 the speed of light inexpensively enough to sell to gov't, you'd be a rich man.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you can make a device that can detect the red shift of something moving at the speed of light refelcted from something moving 1/299,792,458 the speed of light inexpensively enough to sell to gov't , you 'd be a rich man .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you can make a device that can detect the red shift of something moving at the speed of light refelcted from something moving 1/299,792,458 the speed of light inexpensively enough to sell to gov't, you'd be a rich man.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30049074</id>
	<title>Colonel Tribune</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257881340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>from the (bonked) link:<p><div class="quote"><p>I'm sorry we had to meet under these circumstances, but allow me to introduce myself.
I'm Colonel Tribune, the Web ambassador for chicagotribune.com.</p></div><p>
Looks like the Tribune Co. is really embracing the interweb...</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Meantime, I hope I run into you surfing the Web. You can find me on Twitter and Facebook.</p></div><p>...I wonder if Colonel Tribune prefers Farmville or Mafia Wars?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>from the ( bonked ) link : I 'm sorry we had to meet under these circumstances , but allow me to introduce myself .
I 'm Colonel Tribune , the Web ambassador for chicagotribune.com .
Looks like the Tribune Co. is really embracing the interweb...Meantime , I hope I run into you surfing the Web .
You can find me on Twitter and Facebook....I wonder if Colonel Tribune prefers Farmville or Mafia Wars ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>from the (bonked) link:I'm sorry we had to meet under these circumstances, but allow me to introduce myself.
I'm Colonel Tribune, the Web ambassador for chicagotribune.com.
Looks like the Tribune Co. is really embracing the interweb...Meantime, I hope I run into you surfing the Web.
You can find me on Twitter and Facebook....I wonder if Colonel Tribune prefers Farmville or Mafia Wars?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30050072</id>
	<title>Re:Oh noes news at 11</title>
	<author>kestasjk</author>
	<datestamp>1257885060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, and in other totally stupid news [$president] was seriously [$event], rushed to [$place] where he's receiving major [$variable]. Pff, wake me up when Firefox 3.6 is out.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , and in other totally stupid news [ $ president ] was seriously [ $ event ] , rushed to [ $ place ] where he 's receiving major [ $ variable ] .
Pff , wake me up when Firefox 3.6 is out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, and in other totally stupid news [$president] was seriously [$event], rushed to [$place] where he's receiving major [$variable].
Pff, wake me up when Firefox 3.6 is out.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30049498</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah, but it is reliable.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257883020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, it is not. LIDAR measures distance, not speed as RADAR does. If you point a LIDAR at a multifactaed object (like say a staionary car) and the operator moves enough to bounce the lazer from the grill to the windshield. A LIDAR will have seen the car 'move' because the distance the lazer went changed. This will not happen with a RADAR because there will be no change in red shift. LIDAR's should not be used in law enforcement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , it is not .
LIDAR measures distance , not speed as RADAR does .
If you point a LIDAR at a multifactaed object ( like say a staionary car ) and the operator moves enough to bounce the lazer from the grill to the windshield .
A LIDAR will have seen the car 'move ' because the distance the lazer went changed .
This will not happen with a RADAR because there will be no change in red shift .
LIDAR 's should not be used in law enforcement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, it is not.
LIDAR measures distance, not speed as RADAR does.
If you point a LIDAR at a multifactaed object (like say a staionary car) and the operator moves enough to bounce the lazer from the grill to the windshield.
A LIDAR will have seen the car 'move' because the distance the lazer went changed.
This will not happen with a RADAR because there will be no change in red shift.
LIDAR's should not be used in law enforcement.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30050026</id>
	<title>Re:Name says it all</title>
	<author>Itninja</author>
	<datestamp>1257884940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's bred for its' skills in magic...lly generating revenue for municipalities.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's bred for its ' skills in magic...lly generating revenue for municipalities .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's bred for its' skills in magic...lly generating revenue for municipalities.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30049950</id>
	<title>Re:Just gone one in FL</title>
	<author>jDeepbeep</author>
	<datestamp>1257884760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Florida is one of 50 states yet hands out 15\% of all traffic tickets.</p></div><p>Out of curiosity, is this the highest percentage in the US by any one state?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Florida is one of 50 states yet hands out 15 \ % of all traffic tickets.Out of curiosity , is this the highest percentage in the US by any one state ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Florida is one of 50 states yet hands out 15\% of all traffic tickets.Out of curiosity, is this the highest percentage in the US by any one state?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30049288</id>
	<title>How many cases were thrown out, exactly?</title>
	<author>Turzyx</author>
	<datestamp>1257882180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Reading TFA, it doesn't state how many cases were thrown out, or indeed the percentage of people caught speeding found with LIDAR technology.<br> <br>

In the UK we have a plethora of fixed speed cameras; it's uncommon to travel down a road with a &gt;30 mph speed limit and not see one, but as far as I am aware, police on traffic duty here still use RADAR based speed detection guns. What is the benefit of LIDAR? Is it more accurate, or just easier to 'aim'? It mentions in the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LIDAR" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia entry</a> [wikipedia.org] that LIDAR is able to reflect better off non-metallic objects, like aerosols, clouds and even rain, that doesn't exactly sound like the ideal tool for the application...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Reading TFA , it does n't state how many cases were thrown out , or indeed the percentage of people caught speeding found with LIDAR technology .
In the UK we have a plethora of fixed speed cameras ; it 's uncommon to travel down a road with a &gt; 30 mph speed limit and not see one , but as far as I am aware , police on traffic duty here still use RADAR based speed detection guns .
What is the benefit of LIDAR ?
Is it more accurate , or just easier to 'aim ' ?
It mentions in the Wikipedia entry [ wikipedia.org ] that LIDAR is able to reflect better off non-metallic objects , like aerosols , clouds and even rain , that does n't exactly sound like the ideal tool for the application.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Reading TFA, it doesn't state how many cases were thrown out, or indeed the percentage of people caught speeding found with LIDAR technology.
In the UK we have a plethora of fixed speed cameras; it's uncommon to travel down a road with a &gt;30 mph speed limit and not see one, but as far as I am aware, police on traffic duty here still use RADAR based speed detection guns.
What is the benefit of LIDAR?
Is it more accurate, or just easier to 'aim'?
It mentions in the Wikipedia entry [wikipedia.org] that LIDAR is able to reflect better off non-metallic objects, like aerosols, clouds and even rain, that doesn't exactly sound like the ideal tool for the application...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30049718</id>
	<title>Re:Colonel Tribune</title>
	<author>Electrawn</author>
	<datestamp>1257883920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Colonel Tribune plays Mafia Wars AND Farmville.</p><p>(and we might have a redirect in place before slashdot editors can fix it)...</p><p>On behalf of Colonel Tribune and Interactive Support deep in the heart of Tribune Tower.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Colonel Tribune plays Mafia Wars AND Farmville .
( and we might have a redirect in place before slashdot editors can fix it ) ...On behalf of Colonel Tribune and Interactive Support deep in the heart of Tribune Tower .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Colonel Tribune plays Mafia Wars AND Farmville.
(and we might have a redirect in place before slashdot editors can fix it)...On behalf of Colonel Tribune and Interactive Support deep in the heart of Tribune Tower.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30050308</id>
	<title>Don't try to win, change the game</title>
	<author>TiggertheMad</author>
	<datestamp>1257886020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>The thing that pisses me off is that these cops aren't policing anything, they're tax collecting.
Florida is one of 50 states yet hands out 15\% of all traffic tickets.
They think they're doing good and generating revenue but they're hurting everyday innocent Americans.
</i>
<br> <br>
Someone has to pay for their gas to go answer domestic violence calls. If you don't like paying tickets, stop driving. I have used mass transit for a decade now, and I haven't had a single problem with tickets...</htmltext>
<tokenext>The thing that pisses me off is that these cops are n't policing anything , they 're tax collecting .
Florida is one of 50 states yet hands out 15 \ % of all traffic tickets .
They think they 're doing good and generating revenue but they 're hurting everyday innocent Americans .
Someone has to pay for their gas to go answer domestic violence calls .
If you do n't like paying tickets , stop driving .
I have used mass transit for a decade now , and I have n't had a single problem with tickets.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The thing that pisses me off is that these cops aren't policing anything, they're tax collecting.
Florida is one of 50 states yet hands out 15\% of all traffic tickets.
They think they're doing good and generating revenue but they're hurting everyday innocent Americans.
Someone has to pay for their gas to go answer domestic violence calls.
If you don't like paying tickets, stop driving.
I have used mass transit for a decade now, and I haven't had a single problem with tickets...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30049852</id>
	<title>YOU FAIL IT!?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257884400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">engineering project to get involved in OS. Now BSDI is and the bottom MOVIE [imdb.com] please moderate BSD style.' In the superior to sLow, As possible? How OpenBSD. How many</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>engineering project to get involved in OS .
Now BSDI is and the bottom MOVIE [ imdb.com ] please moderate BSD style .
' In the superior to sLow , As possible ?
How OpenBSD .
How many [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>engineering project to get involved in OS.
Now BSDI is and the bottom MOVIE [imdb.com] please moderate BSD style.
' In the superior to sLow, As possible?
How OpenBSD.
How many [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30049244</id>
	<title>Yeah, but it is reliable.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257882000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>The point is, LIDAR is reliable, at least as much as RADAR is. This is just a legal snafu, they will throw out enough that there will be incredible pressure to figure out the legal problems, they will figure them out, and then LIDAR tickets will be enforced again. Never underestimate the power of a determined vendor that has been harmed or the importance of sunk costs in equipment for an agency with very limited funding. Nothing to see here, folks. Move along, please.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The point is , LIDAR is reliable , at least as much as RADAR is .
This is just a legal snafu , they will throw out enough that there will be incredible pressure to figure out the legal problems , they will figure them out , and then LIDAR tickets will be enforced again .
Never underestimate the power of a determined vendor that has been harmed or the importance of sunk costs in equipment for an agency with very limited funding .
Nothing to see here , folks .
Move along , please .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The point is, LIDAR is reliable, at least as much as RADAR is.
This is just a legal snafu, they will throw out enough that there will be incredible pressure to figure out the legal problems, they will figure them out, and then LIDAR tickets will be enforced again.
Never underestimate the power of a determined vendor that has been harmed or the importance of sunk costs in equipment for an agency with very limited funding.
Nothing to see here, folks.
Move along, please.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30054466</id>
	<title>Re:other problem</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257863340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>... frickin' lasers... sharks...</p></div><p>SHUT THE FUCK UP</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... frickin ' lasers... sharks...SHUT THE FUCK UP</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... frickin' lasers... sharks...SHUT THE FUCK UP
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30048954</id>
	<title>link from search</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257880920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-speeding-tickets-09-nov09,0,7869040.story</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-speeding-tickets-09-nov09,0,7869040.story</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-speeding-tickets-09-nov09,0,7869040.story</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30051892</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah, but it is reliable.</title>
	<author>IDtheTarget</author>
	<datestamp>1257849420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Actually, it is not. LIDAR measures distance, not speed as RADAR does. If you point a LIDAR at a multifactaed object (like say a staionary car) and the operator moves enough to bounce the lazer from the grill to the windshield. A LIDAR will have seen the car 'move' because the distance the lazer went changed. This will not happen with a RADAR because there will be no change in red shift. LIDAR's should not be used in law enforcement.</p></div><p>Sorry, you just flunked your physics pop-quiz.</p><p>Astronomers use <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redshift" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Red Shift</a> [wikipedia.org] all the time to measure how quickly stellar objects are moving away from you.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , it is not .
LIDAR measures distance , not speed as RADAR does .
If you point a LIDAR at a multifactaed object ( like say a staionary car ) and the operator moves enough to bounce the lazer from the grill to the windshield .
A LIDAR will have seen the car 'move ' because the distance the lazer went changed .
This will not happen with a RADAR because there will be no change in red shift .
LIDAR 's should not be used in law enforcement.Sorry , you just flunked your physics pop-quiz.Astronomers use Red Shift [ wikipedia.org ] all the time to measure how quickly stellar objects are moving away from you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, it is not.
LIDAR measures distance, not speed as RADAR does.
If you point a LIDAR at a multifactaed object (like say a staionary car) and the operator moves enough to bounce the lazer from the grill to the windshield.
A LIDAR will have seen the car 'move' because the distance the lazer went changed.
This will not happen with a RADAR because there will be no change in red shift.
LIDAR's should not be used in law enforcement.Sorry, you just flunked your physics pop-quiz.Astronomers use Red Shift [wikipedia.org] all the time to measure how quickly stellar objects are moving away from you.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30054390</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah, but it is reliable.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257862740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because light doesn't speed up. Photons, hence light, moves at a steady speed of C regardless of the object it just bounced off of. I know there is a dozen experiments that can manipulate light, but simple reflection, isn't one.

How is that not knowing that C is constant modded Insightful? WTF has happened to Slashdot?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because light does n't speed up .
Photons , hence light , moves at a steady speed of C regardless of the object it just bounced off of .
I know there is a dozen experiments that can manipulate light , but simple reflection , is n't one .
How is that not knowing that C is constant modded Insightful ?
WTF has happened to Slashdot ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because light doesn't speed up.
Photons, hence light, moves at a steady speed of C regardless of the object it just bounced off of.
I know there is a dozen experiments that can manipulate light, but simple reflection, isn't one.
How is that not knowing that C is constant modded Insightful?
WTF has happened to Slashdot?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30051832</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah, but it is reliable.</title>
	<author>GrBear</author>
	<datestamp>1257849180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually it is more reliable than RADAR.</p><p>RADAR measures the Doppler shift of the radio energy coming back at it.  This energy is being reflected off many things.. any of them moving and signal is being sent back to the RADAR in the form of a Doppler shift.  The RADAR then has to decide which one to display, so if you have a Semi and a Fiat side by side, regardless of if the Fiat is going faster, your going to get the speed of the Semi.  You can be fairly certain your getting the right speed, but of what?</p><p>LIDAR is not a simple measurement of two distances to generate a simple distance over time calculation.  Many pulsed samples are taken at a known rate.  As samples come back, they can be statistically measured for erroneous samples.</p><p>If you send out 20 pulses within a split second, I can build a nice statistical tracking history from pulses that come back.  If a large percentage of those pulses come back in a nice linear plot, I have no reason to believe they are wrong.. if 2-3 of those pulses are erradic (distances that are not in line with the tracking history of the entire sample), I can toss them out and still have a good tracking history..  if more then 5 or 6 fail, then I can simply disregard the entire sample.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually it is more reliable than RADAR.RADAR measures the Doppler shift of the radio energy coming back at it .
This energy is being reflected off many things.. any of them moving and signal is being sent back to the RADAR in the form of a Doppler shift .
The RADAR then has to decide which one to display , so if you have a Semi and a Fiat side by side , regardless of if the Fiat is going faster , your going to get the speed of the Semi .
You can be fairly certain your getting the right speed , but of what ? LIDAR is not a simple measurement of two distances to generate a simple distance over time calculation .
Many pulsed samples are taken at a known rate .
As samples come back , they can be statistically measured for erroneous samples.If you send out 20 pulses within a split second , I can build a nice statistical tracking history from pulses that come back .
If a large percentage of those pulses come back in a nice linear plot , I have no reason to believe they are wrong.. if 2-3 of those pulses are erradic ( distances that are not in line with the tracking history of the entire sample ) , I can toss them out and still have a good tracking history.. if more then 5 or 6 fail , then I can simply disregard the entire sample .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually it is more reliable than RADAR.RADAR measures the Doppler shift of the radio energy coming back at it.
This energy is being reflected off many things.. any of them moving and signal is being sent back to the RADAR in the form of a Doppler shift.
The RADAR then has to decide which one to display, so if you have a Semi and a Fiat side by side, regardless of if the Fiat is going faster, your going to get the speed of the Semi.
You can be fairly certain your getting the right speed, but of what?LIDAR is not a simple measurement of two distances to generate a simple distance over time calculation.
Many pulsed samples are taken at a known rate.
As samples come back, they can be statistically measured for erroneous samples.If you send out 20 pulses within a split second, I can build a nice statistical tracking history from pulses that come back.
If a large percentage of those pulses come back in a nice linear plot, I have no reason to believe they are wrong.. if 2-3 of those pulses are erradic (distances that are not in line with the tracking history of the entire sample), I can toss them out and still have a good tracking history..  if more then 5 or 6 fail, then I can simply disregard the entire sample.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30050856</id>
	<title>What I like about LIDAR</title>
	<author>Fnord666</author>
	<datestamp>1257845220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The nice thing about LIDAR is that unlike RADAR, I don't need a license to operate a jamming device.  After all, it's just an extra "headlight".</htmltext>
<tokenext>The nice thing about LIDAR is that unlike RADAR , I do n't need a license to operate a jamming device .
After all , it 's just an extra " headlight " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The nice thing about LIDAR is that unlike RADAR, I don't need a license to operate a jamming device.
After all, it's just an extra "headlight".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30053318</id>
	<title>I quickly scrolled through and couldn't believe</title>
	<author>kidblast</author>
	<datestamp>1257856020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not one comment about it being called LIE-dar?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not one comment about it being called LIE-dar ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not one comment about it being called LIE-dar?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30059862</id>
	<title>Circular reasoning?</title>
	<author>tigre</author>
	<datestamp>1257089340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can't use it in court because it hasn't been proven in court.  Okay, not exactly circular, but the easy way out is to just prove it in one of these traffic cases, assuming such proof is possibly.  Probably worth it to the city and/or state to go to the expense for one simple case so that it can apply to all the others.  Woe to the person who has to sit through that trial though just to try to get out of their ticket.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ca n't use it in court because it has n't been proven in court .
Okay , not exactly circular , but the easy way out is to just prove it in one of these traffic cases , assuming such proof is possibly .
Probably worth it to the city and/or state to go to the expense for one simple case so that it can apply to all the others .
Woe to the person who has to sit through that trial though just to try to get out of their ticket .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can't use it in court because it hasn't been proven in court.
Okay, not exactly circular, but the easy way out is to just prove it in one of these traffic cases, assuming such proof is possibly.
Probably worth it to the city and/or state to go to the expense for one simple case so that it can apply to all the others.
Woe to the person who has to sit through that trial though just to try to get out of their ticket.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30053612</id>
	<title>Re:Just gone one in FL</title>
	<author>tomhudson</author>
	<datestamp>1257857700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't speed, you won't get a speeding ticket.  What's so hard to understand about that?
</p><p>Lugging the engine (driving one gear too high" invariably increases gas mileage, despite your claims.  The engine is operating at better overall thermal efficiency (extracting more energy from each stroke). Contrary to popular belief, as long as the car isn't otherwise overloaded, it also doesn't result in extra wear on the engine. It's the same overall effect as going to a higher-ratio differential.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't speed , you wo n't get a speeding ticket .
What 's so hard to understand about that ?
Lugging the engine ( driving one gear too high " invariably increases gas mileage , despite your claims .
The engine is operating at better overall thermal efficiency ( extracting more energy from each stroke ) .
Contrary to popular belief , as long as the car is n't otherwise overloaded , it also does n't result in extra wear on the engine .
It 's the same overall effect as going to a higher-ratio differential .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't speed, you won't get a speeding ticket.
What's so hard to understand about that?
Lugging the engine (driving one gear too high" invariably increases gas mileage, despite your claims.
The engine is operating at better overall thermal efficiency (extracting more energy from each stroke).
Contrary to popular belief, as long as the car isn't otherwise overloaded, it also doesn't result in extra wear on the engine.
It's the same overall effect as going to a higher-ratio differential.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30051600</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30050526</id>
	<title>Re:Just gone one in FL</title>
	<author>osu-neko</author>
	<datestamp>1257843720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Go out and stop real crime.</p></div><p>Hehe!  One of my old cop friend's favorite lines.</p><p>Motorist: "Why don't you go out and catch some real criminals?"<br>
Cop: "I am."  [Hands person who just broke the law a ticket.]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Go out and stop real crime.Hehe !
One of my old cop friend 's favorite lines.Motorist : " Why do n't you go out and catch some real criminals ?
" Cop : " I am .
" [ Hands person who just broke the law a ticket .
]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Go out and stop real crime.Hehe!
One of my old cop friend's favorite lines.Motorist: "Why don't you go out and catch some real criminals?
"
Cop: "I am.
"  [Hands person who just broke the law a ticket.
]
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30049566</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30049790</id>
	<title>Re:Just gone one in FL</title>
	<author>tomhudson</author>
	<datestamp>1257884160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>... or you could just stop speeding<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... and not only laugh at everyone who's being pulled over to pay the "speed tax", but also save on fuel.  You know, instead of whining like a spoiled brat.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... or you could just stop speeding ... and not only laugh at everyone who 's being pulled over to pay the " speed tax " , but also save on fuel .
You know , instead of whining like a spoiled brat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ... or you could just stop speeding ... and not only laugh at everyone who's being pulled over to pay the "speed tax", but also save on fuel.
You know, instead of whining like a spoiled brat.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30050486</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah, but it is reliable.</title>
	<author>blueg3</author>
	<datestamp>1257843600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's a qualitative argument. You claim it's possible for the speed reading to be incorrect, due to details of how LIDAR works. There are a lot more details about how the LIDAR gun works. Make the argument quantitative. By how much will the speed reading be incorrect for vehicles that are near or above the speed limit? (Vehicles well below the speed limit are, of course, not of interest.) It's unlikely for any useful measurement device to be perfectly accurate, but putting bounds on its accuracy is an approachable problem. There's a significant difference between a reading of 60 mph that's accurate to 0.1 mph and one that's accurate to 10 mph.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a qualitative argument .
You claim it 's possible for the speed reading to be incorrect , due to details of how LIDAR works .
There are a lot more details about how the LIDAR gun works .
Make the argument quantitative .
By how much will the speed reading be incorrect for vehicles that are near or above the speed limit ?
( Vehicles well below the speed limit are , of course , not of interest .
) It 's unlikely for any useful measurement device to be perfectly accurate , but putting bounds on its accuracy is an approachable problem .
There 's a significant difference between a reading of 60 mph that 's accurate to 0.1 mph and one that 's accurate to 10 mph .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a qualitative argument.
You claim it's possible for the speed reading to be incorrect, due to details of how LIDAR works.
There are a lot more details about how the LIDAR gun works.
Make the argument quantitative.
By how much will the speed reading be incorrect for vehicles that are near or above the speed limit?
(Vehicles well below the speed limit are, of course, not of interest.
) It's unlikely for any useful measurement device to be perfectly accurate, but putting bounds on its accuracy is an approachable problem.
There's a significant difference between a reading of 60 mph that's accurate to 0.1 mph and one that's accurate to 10 mph.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30049404</id>
	<title>Re:Oh noes news at 11</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257882600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well duh, would you prefer any tech is admissable against you in court?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well duh , would you prefer any tech is admissable against you in court ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well duh, would you prefer any tech is admissable against you in court?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30049162</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30049130</id>
	<title>link is Judge Borked</title>
	<author>HawkinsD</author>
	<datestamp>1257881520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The link doesn't work.  On the other hand, there's a very nice 404 page.  It's funny, friendly, and attempts to be informative.</p><p>Good error handling is something many of us don't always do well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The link does n't work .
On the other hand , there 's a very nice 404 page .
It 's funny , friendly , and attempts to be informative.Good error handling is something many of us do n't always do well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The link doesn't work.
On the other hand, there's a very nice 404 page.
It's funny, friendly, and attempts to be informative.Good error handling is something many of us don't always do well.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30049874</id>
	<title>Re:Not sharks</title>
	<author>saider</author>
	<datestamp>1257884520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But they are ill-tempered, so they have that going for them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But they are ill-tempered , so they have that going for them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But they are ill-tempered, so they have that going for them.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30049668</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30050126</id>
	<title>Re:Just gone one in FL</title>
	<author>Jaysyn</author>
	<datestamp>1257885300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm pretty sure he cut you a break on the actual fine part of the ticket.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm pretty sure he cut you a break on the actual fine part of the ticket .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm pretty sure he cut you a break on the actual fine part of the ticket.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30049566</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30050364</id>
	<title>Why?</title>
	<author>dangitman</author>
	<datestamp>1257886260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why is Slashdot so obsessed with reporting about speeding tickets and other moving violations? It doesn't seem to fit particularly well with the stated intention of the site.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is Slashdot so obsessed with reporting about speeding tickets and other moving violations ?
It does n't seem to fit particularly well with the stated intention of the site .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is Slashdot so obsessed with reporting about speeding tickets and other moving violations?
It doesn't seem to fit particularly well with the stated intention of the site.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30052850</id>
	<title>We don't have equipment at that frequency?</title>
	<author>mdmkolbe</author>
	<datestamp>1257853500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is a guess but we probably don't have the tech to do signal processing at the ~400THz / ~800nm range that LIDAR operates at.  After all the ideal antenna length is proportional to the wave length so meter or centimeter wavelengths are manageable, but nanometer antennas would be hard to construct.  (I am not a radio engineer.  This is only a guess inferred from the physics.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a guess but we probably do n't have the tech to do signal processing at the ~ 400THz / ~ 800nm range that LIDAR operates at .
After all the ideal antenna length is proportional to the wave length so meter or centimeter wavelengths are manageable , but nanometer antennas would be hard to construct .
( I am not a radio engineer .
This is only a guess inferred from the physics .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a guess but we probably don't have the tech to do signal processing at the ~400THz / ~800nm range that LIDAR operates at.
After all the ideal antenna length is proportional to the wave length so meter or centimeter wavelengths are manageable, but nanometer antennas would be hard to construct.
(I am not a radio engineer.
This is only a guess inferred from the physics.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30050632</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah, but it is reliable.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257844200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you can detect the doppler shift on a radio wave (which was created by a sinusoidally oscillating emitter) why couldn't you detect the same doppler shift on a laser signal, if said laser signal was sinusoidally oscillated?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you can detect the doppler shift on a radio wave ( which was created by a sinusoidally oscillating emitter ) why could n't you detect the same doppler shift on a laser signal , if said laser signal was sinusoidally oscillated ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you can detect the doppler shift on a radio wave (which was created by a sinusoidally oscillating emitter) why couldn't you detect the same doppler shift on a laser signal, if said laser signal was sinusoidally oscillated?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30049498</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30050390</id>
	<title>Radar POP mode</title>
	<author>EXrider</author>
	<datestamp>1257886320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would be more concerned with the legality of MPH Industries' <a href="http://www.valentine1.com/pop/whatispop.asp" title="valentine1.com" rel="nofollow">radar POP mode</a> [valentine1.com].  In summary, the company is marketing radar guns with a mode that allows officers to obtain speed readings that are at best, inaccurate.  Of course, the only place a warning about the inaccuracy of this mode is found, is in the radar's instruction manual.  How many police officers do you think read the instruction manuals that accompany their equipment?  Reports of people <a href="http://www.valentine1.com/moments/mom1103.asp" title="valentine1.com" rel="nofollow">"getting POPped"</a> [valentine1.com] have shown up in WV, OH, GA, NV, NJ, and NY. <br> <br>

<i>"POP is mode that emits a very brief (67 millisecond) pulse of radar to determine the speed. Its meant to defeat radar detectors. It works because the local oscillator sweep (the "tuner") in most detectors, (especially cheap ones) is too slow to notice this brief pulse. Newer and more expensive detectors have solved this by making a little detour during the sweep to check for POP. It's like flipping through the channels on your TV, but going back to check if your favourite show has started on channel 2 every so often. Except in a radar detector this is happening hundreds of times per second.
<br> <br>
POP can be inaccurate because the electronics in the police radar don't have time enough to stabilize. It's like suddenly jumping on your bathroom scale. The pointer with fluctuate violently until it settles down on the the true reading. With POP it can sometimes indicate an inaccurate speed due to this instability. "</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would be more concerned with the legality of MPH Industries ' radar POP mode [ valentine1.com ] .
In summary , the company is marketing radar guns with a mode that allows officers to obtain speed readings that are at best , inaccurate .
Of course , the only place a warning about the inaccuracy of this mode is found , is in the radar 's instruction manual .
How many police officers do you think read the instruction manuals that accompany their equipment ?
Reports of people " getting POPped " [ valentine1.com ] have shown up in WV , OH , GA , NV , NJ , and NY .
" POP is mode that emits a very brief ( 67 millisecond ) pulse of radar to determine the speed .
Its meant to defeat radar detectors .
It works because the local oscillator sweep ( the " tuner " ) in most detectors , ( especially cheap ones ) is too slow to notice this brief pulse .
Newer and more expensive detectors have solved this by making a little detour during the sweep to check for POP .
It 's like flipping through the channels on your TV , but going back to check if your favourite show has started on channel 2 every so often .
Except in a radar detector this is happening hundreds of times per second .
POP can be inaccurate because the electronics in the police radar do n't have time enough to stabilize .
It 's like suddenly jumping on your bathroom scale .
The pointer with fluctuate violently until it settles down on the the true reading .
With POP it can sometimes indicate an inaccurate speed due to this instability .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would be more concerned with the legality of MPH Industries' radar POP mode [valentine1.com].
In summary, the company is marketing radar guns with a mode that allows officers to obtain speed readings that are at best, inaccurate.
Of course, the only place a warning about the inaccuracy of this mode is found, is in the radar's instruction manual.
How many police officers do you think read the instruction manuals that accompany their equipment?
Reports of people "getting POPped" [valentine1.com] have shown up in WV, OH, GA, NV, NJ, and NY.
"POP is mode that emits a very brief (67 millisecond) pulse of radar to determine the speed.
Its meant to defeat radar detectors.
It works because the local oscillator sweep (the "tuner") in most detectors, (especially cheap ones) is too slow to notice this brief pulse.
Newer and more expensive detectors have solved this by making a little detour during the sweep to check for POP.
It's like flipping through the channels on your TV, but going back to check if your favourite show has started on channel 2 every so often.
Except in a radar detector this is happening hundreds of times per second.
POP can be inaccurate because the electronics in the police radar don't have time enough to stabilize.
It's like suddenly jumping on your bathroom scale.
The pointer with fluctuate violently until it settles down on the the true reading.
With POP it can sometimes indicate an inaccurate speed due to this instability.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30051202</id>
	<title>Re:Oh noes news at 11</title>
	<author>bill\_mcgonigle</author>
	<datestamp>1257846780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>because driving is not a right, but a privilege</i></p><p>That's their claim.  The trouble with their claim is that a large subset of people literally couldn't survive without it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>because driving is not a right , but a privilegeThat 's their claim .
The trouble with their claim is that a large subset of people literally could n't survive without it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>because driving is not a right, but a privilegeThat's their claim.
The trouble with their claim is that a large subset of people literally couldn't survive without it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30062326</id>
	<title>Revenue Generation...period.</title>
	<author>stewbacca</author>
	<datestamp>1257099540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anyone who thinks speed traps are useful for anything other than revenue generation are fooling themselves. For example, heading INTO downtown Austin this morning on my morning commute on I-35, with the thousands of other cars going that direction, what do we see? Revenue Generation in the Southbound lanes (driving away from downtown...i.e. nobody but a few stragglers). Cops giving speeding tickets to people who are driving probably 72 in the 65.</p><p>If the cops are here to protect us, they'd be on the other side of the highway where all the traffic is, and enforcing safety by ticketing tailgaters and illegal lane changers, not picking on the one or two guys going the other direction, endangering nobody.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone who thinks speed traps are useful for anything other than revenue generation are fooling themselves .
For example , heading INTO downtown Austin this morning on my morning commute on I-35 , with the thousands of other cars going that direction , what do we see ?
Revenue Generation in the Southbound lanes ( driving away from downtown...i.e .
nobody but a few stragglers ) .
Cops giving speeding tickets to people who are driving probably 72 in the 65.If the cops are here to protect us , they 'd be on the other side of the highway where all the traffic is , and enforcing safety by ticketing tailgaters and illegal lane changers , not picking on the one or two guys going the other direction , endangering nobody .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone who thinks speed traps are useful for anything other than revenue generation are fooling themselves.
For example, heading INTO downtown Austin this morning on my morning commute on I-35, with the thousands of other cars going that direction, what do we see?
Revenue Generation in the Southbound lanes (driving away from downtown...i.e.
nobody but a few stragglers).
Cops giving speeding tickets to people who are driving probably 72 in the 65.If the cops are here to protect us, they'd be on the other side of the highway where all the traffic is, and enforcing safety by ticketing tailgaters and illegal lane changers, not picking on the one or two guys going the other direction, endangering nobody.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30048946</id>
	<title>other problem</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257880920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Another problem with using frickin' lasers is that you have to trust the sharks to use them correctly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Another problem with using frickin ' lasers is that you have to trust the sharks to use them correctly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another problem with using frickin' lasers is that you have to trust the sharks to use them correctly.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30051732</id>
	<title>Re:Just gone one in FL</title>
	<author>nedlohs</author>
	<datestamp>1257848820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where are the stats on traffic ticket counts by state?</p><p>Florida does have 6\% of the population, so the fact that there are 50 states is irrelevant. It's also a tourist destination which I would suspect increases the driving population even further (foreigners get tickets, as do people from other states). Though that might be balanced by people maintaining residence in Florida for state income tax purposes but spending just under half the year somewhere else.</p><p>15\% does sound a bit high.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where are the stats on traffic ticket counts by state ? Florida does have 6 \ % of the population , so the fact that there are 50 states is irrelevant .
It 's also a tourist destination which I would suspect increases the driving population even further ( foreigners get tickets , as do people from other states ) .
Though that might be balanced by people maintaining residence in Florida for state income tax purposes but spending just under half the year somewhere else.15 \ % does sound a bit high .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where are the stats on traffic ticket counts by state?Florida does have 6\% of the population, so the fact that there are 50 states is irrelevant.
It's also a tourist destination which I would suspect increases the driving population even further (foreigners get tickets, as do people from other states).
Though that might be balanced by people maintaining residence in Florida for state income tax purposes but spending just under half the year somewhere else.15\% does sound a bit high.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30050022</id>
	<title>Re:Just gone one in FL</title>
	<author>hockeyc</author>
	<datestamp>1257884940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Have you seen how terrible the drivers in Florida are?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you seen how terrible the drivers in Florida are ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you seen how terrible the drivers in Florida are?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30050180</id>
	<title>Defendent intimidation</title>
	<author>kabloom</author>
	<datestamp>1257885540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This still has the sound of defendant intimidation. While it may be true that the judges are throwing out these cases, in every case where the city government asks for a Frye hearing, the procedure intimidates the defendants into just paying the fine rather than trying to stand up against unproven technology.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This still has the sound of defendant intimidation .
While it may be true that the judges are throwing out these cases , in every case where the city government asks for a Frye hearing , the procedure intimidates the defendants into just paying the fine rather than trying to stand up against unproven technology .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This still has the sound of defendant intimidation.
While it may be true that the judges are throwing out these cases, in every case where the city government asks for a Frye hearing, the procedure intimidates the defendants into just paying the fine rather than trying to stand up against unproven technology.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30049566</id>
	<title>Just gone one in FL</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257883260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just got a radar ticket in FL and plan on fighting it.<br>The thing that pisses me off is that these cops aren't policing anything, they're tax collecting.<br>Florida is one of 50 states yet hands out 15\% of all traffic tickets.<br>They think they're doing good and generating revenue but they're hurting everyday innocent Americans.<br>When you hand out tickets, only the greedy insurance companies win.</p><p>I don't even think I was speeding, they said I was doing 62 in a 45 but my ticket has both of those fields blank... possibly because he "cut me a break" and gave me a "violation of a traffic control device" (the speed limit sign).<br>They always say they're cutting you a break but they're not.... its still points and your insurance goes up.<br>All states, and Florida in particular need some kind of reform, or give the police more money so they don't need to go stealing it from safe drivers.<br>Go out and stop real crime.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just got a radar ticket in FL and plan on fighting it.The thing that pisses me off is that these cops are n't policing anything , they 're tax collecting.Florida is one of 50 states yet hands out 15 \ % of all traffic tickets.They think they 're doing good and generating revenue but they 're hurting everyday innocent Americans.When you hand out tickets , only the greedy insurance companies win.I do n't even think I was speeding , they said I was doing 62 in a 45 but my ticket has both of those fields blank... possibly because he " cut me a break " and gave me a " violation of a traffic control device " ( the speed limit sign ) .They always say they 're cutting you a break but they 're not.... its still points and your insurance goes up.All states , and Florida in particular need some kind of reform , or give the police more money so they do n't need to go stealing it from safe drivers.Go out and stop real crime .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just got a radar ticket in FL and plan on fighting it.The thing that pisses me off is that these cops aren't policing anything, they're tax collecting.Florida is one of 50 states yet hands out 15\% of all traffic tickets.They think they're doing good and generating revenue but they're hurting everyday innocent Americans.When you hand out tickets, only the greedy insurance companies win.I don't even think I was speeding, they said I was doing 62 in a 45 but my ticket has both of those fields blank... possibly because he "cut me a break" and gave me a "violation of a traffic control device" (the speed limit sign).They always say they're cutting you a break but they're not.... its still points and your insurance goes up.All states, and Florida in particular need some kind of reform, or give the police more money so they don't need to go stealing it from safe drivers.Go out and stop real crime.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30051196</id>
	<title>Re:Name says it all</title>
	<author>hosecoat</author>
	<datestamp>1257846780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>With a name like <b>LI</b>DAR, who would doubt the radar's claimed speed?</p></div><p>The name MoneyGun was already taken</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>With a name like LIDAR , who would doubt the radar 's claimed speed ? The name MoneyGun was already taken</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With a name like LIDAR, who would doubt the radar's claimed speed?The name MoneyGun was already taken
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30049018</id>
	<title>Liger?</title>
	<author>neurogeneticist</author>
	<datestamp>1257881160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>LIDAR; bred for its skills and magic.</htmltext>
<tokenext>LIDAR ; bred for its skills and magic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>LIDAR; bred for its skills and magic.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30049816</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah, but it is reliable.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257884280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>LIDAR is about as reliable as your imagination. Go research how it works and you'll see, moving objects are not what lidar is for at all. It's just a poor attempt at shoehorning a measurement device that has a monopoly in chicago basically.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>LIDAR is about as reliable as your imagination .
Go research how it works and you 'll see , moving objects are not what lidar is for at all .
It 's just a poor attempt at shoehorning a measurement device that has a monopoly in chicago basically .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>LIDAR is about as reliable as your imagination.
Go research how it works and you'll see, moving objects are not what lidar is for at all.
It's just a poor attempt at shoehorning a measurement device that has a monopoly in chicago basically.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30050078</id>
	<title>Re:Just gone one in FL</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257885120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The only problem with that is that if everyone stops 'speeding' revenue will fall and they will lower the speed limits. Don't believe me, look into the way yellow light durations have been reduced to make red light cameras more profitable. When speed limits were reasonable your arguement to 'just don't speed' made sence. But since the double nickle, govt's have found an easy duck to shoot for money. And nannys like you back them up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The only problem with that is that if everyone stops 'speeding ' revenue will fall and they will lower the speed limits .
Do n't believe me , look into the way yellow light durations have been reduced to make red light cameras more profitable .
When speed limits were reasonable your arguement to 'just do n't speed ' made sence .
But since the double nickle , govt 's have found an easy duck to shoot for money .
And nannys like you back them up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only problem with that is that if everyone stops 'speeding' revenue will fall and they will lower the speed limits.
Don't believe me, look into the way yellow light durations have been reduced to make red light cameras more profitable.
When speed limits were reasonable your arguement to 'just don't speed' made sence.
But since the double nickle, govt's have found an easy duck to shoot for money.
And nannys like you back them up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30049668</id>
	<title>Not sharks</title>
	<author>hellfire</author>
	<datestamp>1257883740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you'd hired sharks, they would be used properly.  They obviously hired mutated sea bass here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 'd hired sharks , they would be used properly .
They obviously hired mutated sea bass here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you'd hired sharks, they would be used properly.
They obviously hired mutated sea bass here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30050736</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah, but it is reliable.</title>
	<author>Interoperable</author>
	<datestamp>1257844680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If you point a LIDAR at a multifactaed object (like say a staionary car) and the operator moves enough to bounce the lazer from the grill to the windshield. A LIDAR will have seen the car 'move' because the distance the lazer went changed.</p></div><p>It would depend entirely on the integration time of the measurement. If, during the time of measurement, your car moves a distance that is significant compared to the distance from the grill to the windshield then the impact on the result would be insignificant. Assuming a speed of 110km/h, a 1 m distance from the grill to the top of the windshield and a 1 second measurement integration time, the error would be 3\%. Standard radar would have a similar uncertainty because of the long wavelength (the fact that it can't distinguish the difference between the grill and the top of the windshield doesn't make it more accurate, it makes it fundamentally inaccurate).</p><p>Also, it's laser, not lazer.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you point a LIDAR at a multifactaed object ( like say a staionary car ) and the operator moves enough to bounce the lazer from the grill to the windshield .
A LIDAR will have seen the car 'move ' because the distance the lazer went changed.It would depend entirely on the integration time of the measurement .
If , during the time of measurement , your car moves a distance that is significant compared to the distance from the grill to the windshield then the impact on the result would be insignificant .
Assuming a speed of 110km/h , a 1 m distance from the grill to the top of the windshield and a 1 second measurement integration time , the error would be 3 \ % .
Standard radar would have a similar uncertainty because of the long wavelength ( the fact that it ca n't distinguish the difference between the grill and the top of the windshield does n't make it more accurate , it makes it fundamentally inaccurate ) .Also , it 's laser , not lazer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you point a LIDAR at a multifactaed object (like say a staionary car) and the operator moves enough to bounce the lazer from the grill to the windshield.
A LIDAR will have seen the car 'move' because the distance the lazer went changed.It would depend entirely on the integration time of the measurement.
If, during the time of measurement, your car moves a distance that is significant compared to the distance from the grill to the windshield then the impact on the result would be insignificant.
Assuming a speed of 110km/h, a 1 m distance from the grill to the top of the windshield and a 1 second measurement integration time, the error would be 3\%.
Standard radar would have a similar uncertainty because of the long wavelength (the fact that it can't distinguish the difference between the grill and the top of the windshield doesn't make it more accurate, it makes it fundamentally inaccurate).Also, it's laser, not lazer.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30062446</id>
	<title>Can't patent the device...Proprietary methods</title>
	<author>speedlaw</author>
	<datestamp>1257100080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I worked with the National Motorist's Association on the LIDAR test cases in NJ.  Here's the deal.

Laser sends out pulses.  It must get back a certain number (64, this may have changed) consistently to read a speed.  This is also why laser jammers work-they pulse back inconsistently.  Since LIDAR is aimed at faces, it must be eye safe, hence very low power.  This is also why LIDAR is easier to beat than instant on radar, for those who drive paranoid.

Now, the computing method they use is apparently not patentable, but is proprietary.  It was described as a "least squares method", which is why they don't want to release the code and why when this is challeged, they get an expert witness in Court who discusses how they use LIDAR on the Shuttle to measure distance.  I used a LIDAR to measure distance in my backyard to string up some ham radio antennas, but that's not on the road.

On the road, the device must read the reflections, over 1200 feet max, at the speed of light.  The "internal self test" is not sufficient legally....Breath testers have an external calibration ampule...Radar guns have "tuning forks".  The LIDAR is a self authenticating device, which is normally not sufficient under the law.

In NJ, the presiding Judge set up tests, which being run by NJSP, surprisingly found the device accurate.  Other states have just passed laws stating that LIDAR readings are accepted. In NJ, the maximum distance allowed is 1000 feet.

In any cross examination, I always get the cop to admit there is no speed readout from the gun, no matter what the distance tests and internal self test show on the LIDAR.  In most Courts, they hear "laser" and just think 'radar' but that's not the case.

Lidar was the result of GEICO rescuing LTI, a small startup company going under.  They gave LIDAR to cops in all 50 states, complete with press releases, etc, which jump started the company, made money for GEICO, and was a PR funfest for the local cops.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I worked with the National Motorist 's Association on the LIDAR test cases in NJ .
Here 's the deal .
Laser sends out pulses .
It must get back a certain number ( 64 , this may have changed ) consistently to read a speed .
This is also why laser jammers work-they pulse back inconsistently .
Since LIDAR is aimed at faces , it must be eye safe , hence very low power .
This is also why LIDAR is easier to beat than instant on radar , for those who drive paranoid .
Now , the computing method they use is apparently not patentable , but is proprietary .
It was described as a " least squares method " , which is why they do n't want to release the code and why when this is challeged , they get an expert witness in Court who discusses how they use LIDAR on the Shuttle to measure distance .
I used a LIDAR to measure distance in my backyard to string up some ham radio antennas , but that 's not on the road .
On the road , the device must read the reflections , over 1200 feet max , at the speed of light .
The " internal self test " is not sufficient legally....Breath testers have an external calibration ampule...Radar guns have " tuning forks " .
The LIDAR is a self authenticating device , which is normally not sufficient under the law .
In NJ , the presiding Judge set up tests , which being run by NJSP , surprisingly found the device accurate .
Other states have just passed laws stating that LIDAR readings are accepted .
In NJ , the maximum distance allowed is 1000 feet .
In any cross examination , I always get the cop to admit there is no speed readout from the gun , no matter what the distance tests and internal self test show on the LIDAR .
In most Courts , they hear " laser " and just think 'radar ' but that 's not the case .
Lidar was the result of GEICO rescuing LTI , a small startup company going under .
They gave LIDAR to cops in all 50 states , complete with press releases , etc , which jump started the company , made money for GEICO , and was a PR funfest for the local cops .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I worked with the National Motorist's Association on the LIDAR test cases in NJ.
Here's the deal.
Laser sends out pulses.
It must get back a certain number (64, this may have changed) consistently to read a speed.
This is also why laser jammers work-they pulse back inconsistently.
Since LIDAR is aimed at faces, it must be eye safe, hence very low power.
This is also why LIDAR is easier to beat than instant on radar, for those who drive paranoid.
Now, the computing method they use is apparently not patentable, but is proprietary.
It was described as a "least squares method", which is why they don't want to release the code and why when this is challeged, they get an expert witness in Court who discusses how they use LIDAR on the Shuttle to measure distance.
I used a LIDAR to measure distance in my backyard to string up some ham radio antennas, but that's not on the road.
On the road, the device must read the reflections, over 1200 feet max, at the speed of light.
The "internal self test" is not sufficient legally....Breath testers have an external calibration ampule...Radar guns have "tuning forks".
The LIDAR is a self authenticating device, which is normally not sufficient under the law.
In NJ, the presiding Judge set up tests, which being run by NJSP, surprisingly found the device accurate.
Other states have just passed laws stating that LIDAR readings are accepted.
In NJ, the maximum distance allowed is 1000 feet.
In any cross examination, I always get the cop to admit there is no speed readout from the gun, no matter what the distance tests and internal self test show on the LIDAR.
In most Courts, they hear "laser" and just think 'radar' but that's not the case.
Lidar was the result of GEICO rescuing LTI, a small startup company going under.
They gave LIDAR to cops in all 50 states, complete with press releases, etc, which jump started the company, made money for GEICO, and was a PR funfest for the local cops.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30056830</id>
	<title>Re:Oh noes news at 11</title>
	<author>pete6677</author>
	<datestamp>1257880380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Chicago traffic court judges are political appointees. Whether or not your ticket will get thrown out depends on how big of a "court cost" you've offered to pay. It's the Chicago Way; soon to become the National Way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Chicago traffic court judges are political appointees .
Whether or not your ticket will get thrown out depends on how big of a " court cost " you 've offered to pay .
It 's the Chicago Way ; soon to become the National Way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Chicago traffic court judges are political appointees.
Whether or not your ticket will get thrown out depends on how big of a "court cost" you've offered to pay.
It's the Chicago Way; soon to become the National Way.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30049746</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah, but it is reliable.</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1257884040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just want to know when they're going to start throwing out cases based on fingerprint evidence.  Fingerprinting has not been shown to be scientifically reliable in any court or scientific publication.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just want to know when they 're going to start throwing out cases based on fingerprint evidence .
Fingerprinting has not been shown to be scientifically reliable in any court or scientific publication .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just want to know when they're going to start throwing out cases based on fingerprint evidence.
Fingerprinting has not been shown to be scientifically reliable in any court or scientific publication.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30049162</id>
	<title>Oh noes news at 11</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257881640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>[$group] failed to go through [$procedure] to have [$new\_technology] legally recognized by [$other\_group].  As a result all results recorded by [$group] using [$new\_technology] are considered legally suspect by [$other\_group].</htmltext>
<tokenext>[ $ group ] failed to go through [ $ procedure ] to have [ $ new \ _technology ] legally recognized by [ $ other \ _group ] .
As a result all results recorded by [ $ group ] using [ $ new \ _technology ] are considered legally suspect by [ $ other \ _group ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>[$group] failed to go through [$procedure] to have [$new\_technology] legally recognized by [$other\_group].
As a result all results recorded by [$group] using [$new\_technology] are considered legally suspect by [$other\_group].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30049834</id>
	<title>Re:How many cases were thrown out, exactly?</title>
	<author>EXrider</author>
	<datestamp>1257884340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It mentions in the Wikipedia entry [wikipedia.org] that LIDAR is able to reflect better off non-metallic objects, like aerosols, clouds and even rain, that doesn't exactly sound like the ideal tool for the application...</p></div></blockquote><p>
I know this doesn't apply to the fixed speed camera application, but the last time I saw a cop writing (enforcing) speeding tickets out in the rain was...  never.
<br> <br>The only bands I've ever seen fixed traffic radars use around here in the US are Ka and sometimes K, both radar.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It mentions in the Wikipedia entry [ wikipedia.org ] that LIDAR is able to reflect better off non-metallic objects , like aerosols , clouds and even rain , that does n't exactly sound like the ideal tool for the application.. . I know this does n't apply to the fixed speed camera application , but the last time I saw a cop writing ( enforcing ) speeding tickets out in the rain was... never . The only bands I 've ever seen fixed traffic radars use around here in the US are Ka and sometimes K , both radar .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It mentions in the Wikipedia entry [wikipedia.org] that LIDAR is able to reflect better off non-metallic objects, like aerosols, clouds and even rain, that doesn't exactly sound like the ideal tool for the application...
I know this doesn't apply to the fixed speed camera application, but the last time I saw a cop writing (enforcing) speeding tickets out in the rain was...  never.
 The only bands I've ever seen fixed traffic radars use around here in the US are Ka and sometimes K, both radar.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30053534</id>
	<title>Re:Just gone one in FL</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257857160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are specifications and laws for minimum yellow light duration.  Cities that have gone below that can and have been forced to <a href="http://blog.motorists.org/6-cities-that-were-caught-shortening-yellow-light-times-for-profit/" title="motorists.org">give back the money</a> [motorists.org].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are specifications and laws for minimum yellow light duration .
Cities that have gone below that can and have been forced to give back the money [ motorists.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are specifications and laws for minimum yellow light duration.
Cities that have gone below that can and have been forced to give back the money [motorists.org].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30053678</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah, but it is reliable.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257858060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A pulse doppler waveform is perfectly capable of measuring both range and velocity with a single pulse group.  You don't need to detect the doppler shift of a continuous wave.  You can get that with from the compressed pulse group return.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A pulse doppler waveform is perfectly capable of measuring both range and velocity with a single pulse group .
You do n't need to detect the doppler shift of a continuous wave .
You can get that with from the compressed pulse group return .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A pulse doppler waveform is perfectly capable of measuring both range and velocity with a single pulse group.
You don't need to detect the doppler shift of a continuous wave.
You can get that with from the compressed pulse group return.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30052146</id>
	<title>Stealth mod.</title>
	<author>viking80</author>
	<datestamp>1257850500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is pretty easy to stealth mod your car. I noticed that in all LIDAR training videos the instructor always picked out white cars. So start by buying a black car. You will also need a camcorder with night vision (the one you already have probably have a button for this) as well as a IR remote control(The camcorder might have the IR diodes built in already). A LIDAR operates at 904n, just outside the visible spectrum. Check that the paint is black by viewing the car at night with your camcorder. Black is usually black also in IR. Some other colors can also be black at 904nm. White and red are usually not.</p><p>Take a visible laser pointer and look at your car in the dark eyes only as a first survey. Especially front, but go all around. Keep it next to your head to see all retro-reflective parts. You will see plates and light assemblies are the big reflectors.</p><p>1. Cover your plates with IR blocking plastic. All new window material for construction has a thin metal layer for IR block. This will work fine. Use a frame over your plates to make them as small as possible as well.</p><p>2. Get rid of all retro-reflectors in the light assemblies. They typically look like tiny pyramid pattern molded into the plastic. The easiest way is to just sandblast the area until dull. Don't sandblast the outside. Take them of and sandblast the back. Test with your laser pen.</p><p>3. Look at the car with you camcorder in nite-mode. Remove or use a dull black touch-up paint to cover any strong reflections. If you have six large reflectors on the roof, just take them off.</p><p>4. Always drive with high-beams on, especially in daylight. Halogen bubs emit a lot of light at 904nm, and drowns the reflected laser.</p><p>The result is often  &gt;20dB signal attenuation. That means you will be 10x closer to the LIDAR gun before it gives a reading. If you have a laser detector, that is more than enough time to slow down. Usually you will notice that your car avoids any attention as there are better targets around you.</p><p>Drive safe!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is pretty easy to stealth mod your car .
I noticed that in all LIDAR training videos the instructor always picked out white cars .
So start by buying a black car .
You will also need a camcorder with night vision ( the one you already have probably have a button for this ) as well as a IR remote control ( The camcorder might have the IR diodes built in already ) .
A LIDAR operates at 904n , just outside the visible spectrum .
Check that the paint is black by viewing the car at night with your camcorder .
Black is usually black also in IR .
Some other colors can also be black at 904nm .
White and red are usually not.Take a visible laser pointer and look at your car in the dark eyes only as a first survey .
Especially front , but go all around .
Keep it next to your head to see all retro-reflective parts .
You will see plates and light assemblies are the big reflectors.1 .
Cover your plates with IR blocking plastic .
All new window material for construction has a thin metal layer for IR block .
This will work fine .
Use a frame over your plates to make them as small as possible as well.2 .
Get rid of all retro-reflectors in the light assemblies .
They typically look like tiny pyramid pattern molded into the plastic .
The easiest way is to just sandblast the area until dull .
Do n't sandblast the outside .
Take them of and sandblast the back .
Test with your laser pen.3 .
Look at the car with you camcorder in nite-mode .
Remove or use a dull black touch-up paint to cover any strong reflections .
If you have six large reflectors on the roof , just take them off.4 .
Always drive with high-beams on , especially in daylight .
Halogen bubs emit a lot of light at 904nm , and drowns the reflected laser.The result is often &gt; 20dB signal attenuation .
That means you will be 10x closer to the LIDAR gun before it gives a reading .
If you have a laser detector , that is more than enough time to slow down .
Usually you will notice that your car avoids any attention as there are better targets around you.Drive safe !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is pretty easy to stealth mod your car.
I noticed that in all LIDAR training videos the instructor always picked out white cars.
So start by buying a black car.
You will also need a camcorder with night vision (the one you already have probably have a button for this) as well as a IR remote control(The camcorder might have the IR diodes built in already).
A LIDAR operates at 904n, just outside the visible spectrum.
Check that the paint is black by viewing the car at night with your camcorder.
Black is usually black also in IR.
Some other colors can also be black at 904nm.
White and red are usually not.Take a visible laser pointer and look at your car in the dark eyes only as a first survey.
Especially front, but go all around.
Keep it next to your head to see all retro-reflective parts.
You will see plates and light assemblies are the big reflectors.1.
Cover your plates with IR blocking plastic.
All new window material for construction has a thin metal layer for IR block.
This will work fine.
Use a frame over your plates to make them as small as possible as well.2.
Get rid of all retro-reflectors in the light assemblies.
They typically look like tiny pyramid pattern molded into the plastic.
The easiest way is to just sandblast the area until dull.
Don't sandblast the outside.
Take them of and sandblast the back.
Test with your laser pen.3.
Look at the car with you camcorder in nite-mode.
Remove or use a dull black touch-up paint to cover any strong reflections.
If you have six large reflectors on the roof, just take them off.4.
Always drive with high-beams on, especially in daylight.
Halogen bubs emit a lot of light at 904nm, and drowns the reflected laser.The result is often  &gt;20dB signal attenuation.
That means you will be 10x closer to the LIDAR gun before it gives a reading.
If you have a laser detector, that is more than enough time to slow down.
Usually you will notice that your car avoids any attention as there are better targets around you.Drive safe!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30049456</id>
	<title>Re:How many cases were thrown out, exactly?</title>
	<author>jonbryce</author>
	<datestamp>1257882840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess that means it is also better able to reflect off <a href="http://www.goingreen.co.uk/store" title="goingreen.co.uk">GWiz</a> [goingreen.co.uk] vehicles.  You might, if you try really hard, manage to get a speeding ticket in a 20mph zone in one of them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess that means it is also better able to reflect off GWiz [ goingreen.co.uk ] vehicles .
You might , if you try really hard , manage to get a speeding ticket in a 20mph zone in one of them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess that means it is also better able to reflect off GWiz [goingreen.co.uk] vehicles.
You might, if you try really hard, manage to get a speeding ticket in a 20mph zone in one of them.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30049288</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30053140</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah, but it is reliable.</title>
	<author>Radar Guy</author>
	<datestamp>1257855120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>At the risk of being pedantic and not really contributing to an older thread (hey, it's slashdot, right?), radar originally/typically measures range - that's what the last 'R' stands for (RAdio Detection And Ranging).  True, that's evolved to where some modern radars use Doppler for things, but ranging is it's bread and butter.
<br> <br>
That being said, I think I agree here - vehicle speed measurements seem like an odd application of LIDAR, given the wavelengths.  I haven't worked out the math, but I given the distances/velocities we're talking about here I'd be interested to see how speed error is impacted by pointing "jitter" (that is, the beam moving around b/c a human is pointing the beam at a moving target that has many features that are large compared to the laser's wavelength).  It would be even more interesting to compare that against that radar errors, especially when on considers that the radar might have problems localizing the speed when vehicles are close (as others have pointed out).  One would think someone did tests like these once upon a time, but.....
<br> <br>
Perhaps I should rush to patent a combo device that uses both technologies, claiming that the two pieces of evidence together overcome their individual weaknesses.  Apparently you don't even need proof that it works!</htmltext>
<tokenext>At the risk of being pedantic and not really contributing to an older thread ( hey , it 's slashdot , right ?
) , radar originally/typically measures range - that 's what the last 'R ' stands for ( RAdio Detection And Ranging ) .
True , that 's evolved to where some modern radars use Doppler for things , but ranging is it 's bread and butter .
That being said , I think I agree here - vehicle speed measurements seem like an odd application of LIDAR , given the wavelengths .
I have n't worked out the math , but I given the distances/velocities we 're talking about here I 'd be interested to see how speed error is impacted by pointing " jitter " ( that is , the beam moving around b/c a human is pointing the beam at a moving target that has many features that are large compared to the laser 's wavelength ) .
It would be even more interesting to compare that against that radar errors , especially when on considers that the radar might have problems localizing the speed when vehicles are close ( as others have pointed out ) .
One would think someone did tests like these once upon a time , but.... . Perhaps I should rush to patent a combo device that uses both technologies , claiming that the two pieces of evidence together overcome their individual weaknesses .
Apparently you do n't even need proof that it works !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At the risk of being pedantic and not really contributing to an older thread (hey, it's slashdot, right?
), radar originally/typically measures range - that's what the last 'R' stands for (RAdio Detection And Ranging).
True, that's evolved to where some modern radars use Doppler for things, but ranging is it's bread and butter.
That being said, I think I agree here - vehicle speed measurements seem like an odd application of LIDAR, given the wavelengths.
I haven't worked out the math, but I given the distances/velocities we're talking about here I'd be interested to see how speed error is impacted by pointing "jitter" (that is, the beam moving around b/c a human is pointing the beam at a moving target that has many features that are large compared to the laser's wavelength).
It would be even more interesting to compare that against that radar errors, especially when on considers that the radar might have problems localizing the speed when vehicles are close (as others have pointed out).
One would think someone did tests like these once upon a time, but.....
 
Perhaps I should rush to patent a combo device that uses both technologies, claiming that the two pieces of evidence together overcome their individual weaknesses.
Apparently you don't even need proof that it works!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30049498</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30049744</id>
	<title>Re:Oh noes news at 11</title>
	<author>mi</author>
	<datestamp>1257884040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's interesting is that the judges work for "Traffic Courts". If in Chicago that is anything like in New York City, then the two groups (cops and judges) are the same &mdash; both work for and report to the Executive Branch. The traffic judges aren't <em>real</em> judges &mdash; from the Judiciary branch. New York (and some other locales) get away with this, because driving is not a <em>right</em>, but a <em>privilege</em>, and thus the Executive can simply withdraw it &mdash; and need not bother convicting the accused in front of an <em>independent</em> judge (much less the jury of one's peers).

</p><p>Can anyone confirm, what the situation is in Chicago? Because, if the "Traffic Courts" there are also presided over by the Executive's employees, then it is interesting, because they and the cops are working for the same boss (the mayor)...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's interesting is that the judges work for " Traffic Courts " .
If in Chicago that is anything like in New York City , then the two groups ( cops and judges ) are the same    both work for and report to the Executive Branch .
The traffic judges are n't real judges    from the Judiciary branch .
New York ( and some other locales ) get away with this , because driving is not a right , but a privilege , and thus the Executive can simply withdraw it    and need not bother convicting the accused in front of an independent judge ( much less the jury of one 's peers ) .
Can anyone confirm , what the situation is in Chicago ?
Because , if the " Traffic Courts " there are also presided over by the Executive 's employees , then it is interesting , because they and the cops are working for the same boss ( the mayor ) .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's interesting is that the judges work for "Traffic Courts".
If in Chicago that is anything like in New York City, then the two groups (cops and judges) are the same — both work for and report to the Executive Branch.
The traffic judges aren't real judges — from the Judiciary branch.
New York (and some other locales) get away with this, because driving is not a right, but a privilege, and thus the Executive can simply withdraw it — and need not bother convicting the accused in front of an independent judge (much less the jury of one's peers).
Can anyone confirm, what the situation is in Chicago?
Because, if the "Traffic Courts" there are also presided over by the Executive's employees, then it is interesting, because they and the cops are working for the same boss (the mayor)...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30049162</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30050206</id>
	<title>Dead link - here's a CLUE</title>
	<author>nsayer</author>
	<datestamp>1257885600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have the solution!</p><p>It was Colonel Tribune, with the forward-slash, on the URL.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have the solution ! It was Colonel Tribune , with the forward-slash , on the URL .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have the solution!It was Colonel Tribune, with the forward-slash, on the URL.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30061174</id>
	<title>Re:How many cases were thrown out, exactly?</title>
	<author>LinuxFreakus</author>
	<datestamp>1257094980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wait, are you serious?  LIDAR is neither easier to aim, nor more accurate.  You're telling me that from at least 100 yards away you can hit a license plate on a vehicle in heavy traffic going 85 MPH?  Is your name Jack Bauer?  Holy crap.</p><p>No, actually, LIDAR is MUCH harder to aim.  It is also not really any more accurate as long as the comparable radar gun is used properly.  In fact in certain conditions (rain snow, etc), LIDAR can be horribly wrong while radar still works just fine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait , are you serious ?
LIDAR is neither easier to aim , nor more accurate .
You 're telling me that from at least 100 yards away you can hit a license plate on a vehicle in heavy traffic going 85 MPH ?
Is your name Jack Bauer ?
Holy crap.No , actually , LIDAR is MUCH harder to aim .
It is also not really any more accurate as long as the comparable radar gun is used properly .
In fact in certain conditions ( rain snow , etc ) , LIDAR can be horribly wrong while radar still works just fine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait, are you serious?
LIDAR is neither easier to aim, nor more accurate.
You're telling me that from at least 100 yards away you can hit a license plate on a vehicle in heavy traffic going 85 MPH?
Is your name Jack Bauer?
Holy crap.No, actually, LIDAR is MUCH harder to aim.
It is also not really any more accurate as long as the comparable radar gun is used properly.
In fact in certain conditions (rain snow, etc), LIDAR can be horribly wrong while radar still works just fine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30053280</id>
	<title>Re:Radar POP mode</title>
	<author>angelbunny</author>
	<datestamp>1257855840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>POP has unanimously across this country been labeled as inaccurate. It even says it in the radar guns manual (which can be used in court btw).</p><p>To bad it is hard to tell if you've been popped. Most officers know better but some still do it. The best thing you can do is when you get pulled over be all friendly to the officer and act like his radar gun is the coolest thing in the world. If you word everything right you might be able to get him to acknowledge he has been using some sort of instant on and then use his words against him in court.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>POP has unanimously across this country been labeled as inaccurate .
It even says it in the radar guns manual ( which can be used in court btw ) .To bad it is hard to tell if you 've been popped .
Most officers know better but some still do it .
The best thing you can do is when you get pulled over be all friendly to the officer and act like his radar gun is the coolest thing in the world .
If you word everything right you might be able to get him to acknowledge he has been using some sort of instant on and then use his words against him in court .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>POP has unanimously across this country been labeled as inaccurate.
It even says it in the radar guns manual (which can be used in court btw).To bad it is hard to tell if you've been popped.
Most officers know better but some still do it.
The best thing you can do is when you get pulled over be all friendly to the officer and act like his radar gun is the coolest thing in the world.
If you word everything right you might be able to get him to acknowledge he has been using some sort of instant on and then use his words against him in court.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30050390</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30056380</id>
	<title>Re:Name says it all</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257876120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is that you, Lionel Hutz?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is that you , Lionel Hutz ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is that you, Lionel Hutz?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30048994</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30050790</id>
	<title>Re:Name says it all</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257844980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah. Everyone knows LADAR sites suck. Unfortunately, nowadays, gravimetric and radar sites pretty much suck, too. What regions do Chicago Court hold? I've never heard of them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah .
Everyone knows LADAR sites suck .
Unfortunately , nowadays , gravimetric and radar sites pretty much suck , too .
What regions do Chicago Court hold ?
I 've never heard of them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah.
Everyone knows LADAR sites suck.
Unfortunately, nowadays, gravimetric and radar sites pretty much suck, too.
What regions do Chicago Court hold?
I've never heard of them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30049734</id>
	<title>Re:Colonel Tribune</title>
	<author>mishehu</author>
	<datestamp>1257883980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...I wonder if Colonel Tribune prefers Farmville or Mafia Wars?</p><p>Seeing that the Tribune is in Chicago, I'd say Mafia Wars...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...I wonder if Colonel Tribune prefers Farmville or Mafia Wars ? Seeing that the Tribune is in Chicago , I 'd say Mafia Wars.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...I wonder if Colonel Tribune prefers Farmville or Mafia Wars?Seeing that the Tribune is in Chicago, I'd say Mafia Wars...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30049074</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30056148</id>
	<title>Not proven?</title>
	<author>rubi</author>
	<datestamp>1257873660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Another example of the inability of law to keep pace with technology, even old ones as LIDAR.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Another example of the inability of law to keep pace with technology , even old ones as LIDAR .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another example of the inability of law to keep pace with technology, even old ones as LIDAR.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30049210</id>
	<title>Working link to article</title>
	<author>harl</author>
	<datestamp>1257881880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-speeding-tickets-09-nov09,0,7869040.story" title="chicagotribune.com">http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-speeding-tickets-09-nov09,0,7869040.story</a> [chicagotribune.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-speeding-tickets-09-nov09,0,7869040.story [ chicagotribune.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-speeding-tickets-09-nov09,0,7869040.story [chicagotribune.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_10_187202.30049160</id>
	<title>Gaydar?</title>
	<author>DriedClexler</author>
	<datestamp>1257881640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are they also going to review marriage applications that were rejected because of a civil servant's gaydar?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are they also going to review marriage applications that were rejected because of a civil servant 's gaydar ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are they also going to review marriage applications that were rejected because of a civil servant's gaydar?</sentencetext>
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