<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_09_1758233</id>
	<title>US Navy Was Ordered To Listen For Martian Broadcast</title>
	<author>samzenpus</author>
	<datestamp>1257781440000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>MarkWhittington writes <i>"It seems that a SETI (Search for Extra Terrestrial Intelligence) experiment happened decades before the Project Ozma occurred in 1960. The historians at the blog Letters of Note have uncovered a telegram sent in 1924 by then Chief of Naval Operations Edward W. Eberle instructing the United States Navy to <a href="http://www.examiner.com/x-21670-Houston-Space-News-Examiner~y2009m11d8-US-Navy-Ordered-to-Listen-for-Martian-Radio-Broadcasts-in-1924">listen for radio transmissions from the planet Mars</a>."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>MarkWhittington writes " It seems that a SETI ( Search for Extra Terrestrial Intelligence ) experiment happened decades before the Project Ozma occurred in 1960 .
The historians at the blog Letters of Note have uncovered a telegram sent in 1924 by then Chief of Naval Operations Edward W. Eberle instructing the United States Navy to listen for radio transmissions from the planet Mars .
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<sentencetext>MarkWhittington writes "It seems that a SETI (Search for Extra Terrestrial Intelligence) experiment happened decades before the Project Ozma occurred in 1960.
The historians at the blog Letters of Note have uncovered a telegram sent in 1924 by then Chief of Naval Operations Edward W. Eberle instructing the United States Navy to listen for radio transmissions from the planet Mars.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30043102</id>
	<title>I actually knew about this</title>
	<author>mbone</author>
	<datestamp>1257885660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> I know that I read about this in the 1970's in some of the SETI scientific literature - I believe in <i>Intelligent Life in the Universe</i> (Carl Sagan &amp; I.S. Shklovskii, Random House, 1966), but I don't have a copy handy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know that I read about this in the 1970 's in some of the SETI scientific literature - I believe in Intelligent Life in the Universe ( Carl Sagan &amp; I.S .
Shklovskii , Random House , 1966 ) , but I do n't have a copy handy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I know that I read about this in the 1970's in some of the SETI scientific literature - I believe in Intelligent Life in the Universe (Carl Sagan &amp; I.S.
Shklovskii, Random House, 1966), but I don't have a copy handy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30051254</id>
	<title>martian broadcast.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257846960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Too bad the Martians were broadcasting using an advanced FM technology, unknown to Earth Science.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Too bad the Martians were broadcasting using an advanced FM technology , unknown to Earth Science .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Too bad the Martians were broadcasting using an advanced FM technology, unknown to Earth Science.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30042424</id>
	<title>How to receive martian broadcasts</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257789720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The process of creating a martian broadcast is actually quite simple. The technology is decidely low tech and can be put together in a short afternoon using some wire and a bit of electronic ingenuity.  With a Linux PC, a CAT5 ethernet cable, a scissors, a few twists of some SEND/RECV pairs and you can soon detect Martian broadcasts.  It's possibly to do it entirely in software also, perhaps with some creative use of the BOND0 adapter, the bonding module, and some misplaced balance-alb statements, but it's hardly worth mentioning.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The process of creating a martian broadcast is actually quite simple .
The technology is decidely low tech and can be put together in a short afternoon using some wire and a bit of electronic ingenuity .
With a Linux PC , a CAT5 ethernet cable , a scissors , a few twists of some SEND/RECV pairs and you can soon detect Martian broadcasts .
It 's possibly to do it entirely in software also , perhaps with some creative use of the BOND0 adapter , the bonding module , and some misplaced balance-alb statements , but it 's hardly worth mentioning .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The process of creating a martian broadcast is actually quite simple.
The technology is decidely low tech and can be put together in a short afternoon using some wire and a bit of electronic ingenuity.
With a Linux PC, a CAT5 ethernet cable, a scissors, a few twists of some SEND/RECV pairs and you can soon detect Martian broadcasts.
It's possibly to do it entirely in software also, perhaps with some creative use of the BOND0 adapter, the bonding module, and some misplaced balance-alb statements, but it's hardly worth mentioning.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30050596</id>
	<title>Re:This is good science</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257844080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"A mere fifty years ago, just throwing a dog or chimp into orbit was tricky business"</p><p>my new sig.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" A mere fifty years ago , just throwing a dog or chimp into orbit was tricky business " my new sig .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"A mere fifty years ago, just throwing a dog or chimp into orbit was tricky business"my new sig.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30042082</id>
	<title>Not Mars</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257785340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope<br>
Earth.<br>
Yip yip yip yip yip yip.<br>
Huh! Look. Aaaawwwwww. Radio.<br>
Radio.<br>
Yip yip yip yip yip.<br>
Radio<br>
Uhuh, uhuh, Radio. Yipyipyipyipyip.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nope .
Nope. Nope .
Nope Earth .
Yip yip yip yip yip yip .
Huh ! Look .
Aaaawwwwww. Radio .
Radio . Yip yip yip yip yip .
Radio Uhuh , uhuh , Radio .
Yipyipyipyipyip .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nope.
Nope. Nope.
Nope
Earth.
Yip yip yip yip yip yip.
Huh! Look.
Aaaawwwwww. Radio.
Radio.
Yip yip yip yip yip.
Radio
Uhuh, uhuh, Radio.
Yipyipyipyipyip.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30044612</id>
	<title>Re:Transmission was heard...</title>
	<author>tinkerton</author>
	<datestamp>1257862980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let me see. A minimum set of characters would contain 30-ish in all. your text is 13 chars, so 13**30 is 10 e33 combinations. The chances of encountering this string in a say a Mhz random bitstream does seem rather small.  But "Navy" must have been possible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let me see .
A minimum set of characters would contain 30-ish in all .
your text is 13 chars , so 13 * * 30 is 10 e33 combinations .
The chances of encountering this string in a say a Mhz random bitstream does seem rather small .
But " Navy " must have been possible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let me see.
A minimum set of characters would contain 30-ish in all.
your text is 13 chars, so 13**30 is 10 e33 combinations.
The chances of encountering this string in a say a Mhz random bitstream does seem rather small.
But "Navy" must have been possible.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30042326</id>
	<title>Syfy</title>
	<author>rolodexmarvin2</author>
	<datestamp>1257788400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Science fiction from decades previous inspired fear.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Science fiction from decades previous inspired fear .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Science fiction from decades previous inspired fear.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30043484</id>
	<title>Evidence of artificial structures on Mars?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257848400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Indeed, some scientists have found what would appear to be traces of artificial structures on Mars.</p><p>http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2005/084/hale-civ-evidence.htm</p><p>Who knows what kind of life were there previously, recent investigations have revealed that Mars seem to be<br>a planet who once supported life, however now seemingly is dead, save perhaps, some bacterial life.</p><p>It would be easy to dismiss these structures as pictures artifacts, and jpeg-artifacts comes to mind, however<br>they don't look like that, and neither are they following surfaces in an angle in a pictures.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed , some scientists have found what would appear to be traces of artificial structures on Mars.http : //www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2005/084/hale-civ-evidence.htmWho knows what kind of life were there previously , recent investigations have revealed that Mars seem to bea planet who once supported life , however now seemingly is dead , save perhaps , some bacterial life.It would be easy to dismiss these structures as pictures artifacts , and jpeg-artifacts comes to mind , howeverthey do n't look like that , and neither are they following surfaces in an angle in a pictures .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed, some scientists have found what would appear to be traces of artificial structures on Mars.http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2005/084/hale-civ-evidence.htmWho knows what kind of life were there previously, recent investigations have revealed that Mars seem to bea planet who once supported life, however now seemingly is dead, save perhaps, some bacterial life.It would be easy to dismiss these structures as pictures artifacts, and jpeg-artifacts comes to mind, howeverthey don't look like that, and neither are they following surfaces in an angle in a pictures.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30042316</id>
	<title>Re:This is good science</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257788220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is good science. In 1924 we didn't have any strong reasons to think that there wasn't intelligent life on Mars. If anything, the evidence seemed to favor the other direction. Moreover, simply having ships listen in wouldn't have cost that much money. So this was an experiment with potentially very high pay-off compared to the resources it took. This does lead to some interesting ideas for a scifi story in which they do find signals. NaNoWriMo anyone?</p></div><p>Sadly this coincided with the great Martian radio strike of '24. All martian DJs were marching picket lines at the time.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is good science .
In 1924 we did n't have any strong reasons to think that there was n't intelligent life on Mars .
If anything , the evidence seemed to favor the other direction .
Moreover , simply having ships listen in would n't have cost that much money .
So this was an experiment with potentially very high pay-off compared to the resources it took .
This does lead to some interesting ideas for a scifi story in which they do find signals .
NaNoWriMo anyone ? Sadly this coincided with the great Martian radio strike of '24 .
All martian DJs were marching picket lines at the time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is good science.
In 1924 we didn't have any strong reasons to think that there wasn't intelligent life on Mars.
If anything, the evidence seemed to favor the other direction.
Moreover, simply having ships listen in wouldn't have cost that much money.
So this was an experiment with potentially very high pay-off compared to the resources it took.
This does lead to some interesting ideas for a scifi story in which they do find signals.
NaNoWriMo anyone?Sadly this coincided with the great Martian radio strike of '24.
All martian DJs were marching picket lines at the time.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30042466</id>
	<title>Re:This is good science</title>
	<author>ArcherB</author>
	<datestamp>1257790140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is good science. In 1924 we didn't have any strong reasons to think that there wasn't intelligent life on Mars.</p></div><p>Well, of course not.  Where do you think <a href="http://www.mms.com/us/" title="mms.com">M&amp;M's</a> [mms.com] come <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars,\_Incorporated" title="wikipedia.org">from</a> [wikipedia.org]?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is good science .
In 1924 we did n't have any strong reasons to think that there was n't intelligent life on Mars.Well , of course not .
Where do you think M&amp;M 's [ mms.com ] come from [ wikipedia.org ] ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is good science.
In 1924 we didn't have any strong reasons to think that there wasn't intelligent life on Mars.Well, of course not.
Where do you think M&amp;M's [mms.com] come from [wikipedia.org]?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30042432</id>
	<title>Re:This is good science</title>
	<author>tverbeek</author>
	<datestamp>1257789780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's easy to forget just how <i>new</i> most of our knowledge about the universe beyond Earth's atmosphere is.  A mere fifty years ago, just throwing a dog or chimp into orbit was tricky business, and all we knew of other celestial bodies was seen through a glass darkly, from the murkey depths of our atmosphere.  So... damn right there coulda been people on Mars in 1924.  Just like in the 1960s we "knew" that it was utterly barren... but now aren't quite so sure.  I can certainly see why some members of our society might find this rapid evolution of "what we know" unsettling, so they cling to a system of belief that promises not to change.  But I think the roller coaster ride of Science is great.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's easy to forget just how new most of our knowledge about the universe beyond Earth 's atmosphere is .
A mere fifty years ago , just throwing a dog or chimp into orbit was tricky business , and all we knew of other celestial bodies was seen through a glass darkly , from the murkey depths of our atmosphere .
So... damn right there coulda been people on Mars in 1924 .
Just like in the 1960s we " knew " that it was utterly barren... but now are n't quite so sure .
I can certainly see why some members of our society might find this rapid evolution of " what we know " unsettling , so they cling to a system of belief that promises not to change .
But I think the roller coaster ride of Science is great .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's easy to forget just how new most of our knowledge about the universe beyond Earth's atmosphere is.
A mere fifty years ago, just throwing a dog or chimp into orbit was tricky business, and all we knew of other celestial bodies was seen through a glass darkly, from the murkey depths of our atmosphere.
So... damn right there coulda been people on Mars in 1924.
Just like in the 1960s we "knew" that it was utterly barren... but now aren't quite so sure.
I can certainly see why some members of our society might find this rapid evolution of "what we know" unsettling, so they cling to a system of belief that promises not to change.
But I think the roller coaster ride of Science is great.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30045212</id>
	<title>Re:This is good science</title>
	<author>LordVader717</author>
	<datestamp>1257866820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It was a total shot in the dark.  By all means, do those when there isn't anything better to try, or you can't wait.  Problem is, there usually are more visible targets to aim for.</p></div><p>That sounds a bit aloof considering that one of the most revolutionary images ever taken of the universe, the Hubble Deep Field, was exactly that, a shot in the dark. And yes, there were a ton of "more visible" targets.</p><p>As soon as you have new technology available, the first thing you do is try out the unknown.</p><p>As for SETI, it's more a question of information theory than of physics. Radio waves are the only current conceivable way of detecting life. The only problem is the amount of analysis and processing that may be necessary.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Something else I wonder is whether the fundamentals of nature make the whole scheme of using a carrier signal with modulation (amplitude, frequency, phase) the way to use the electromagnetic spectrum.</p></div><p>That's the <b>only</b> way to use the electromagnetic spectrum, as those parameters completely describe the physical properties.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It was a total shot in the dark .
By all means , do those when there is n't anything better to try , or you ca n't wait .
Problem is , there usually are more visible targets to aim for.That sounds a bit aloof considering that one of the most revolutionary images ever taken of the universe , the Hubble Deep Field , was exactly that , a shot in the dark .
And yes , there were a ton of " more visible " targets.As soon as you have new technology available , the first thing you do is try out the unknown.As for SETI , it 's more a question of information theory than of physics .
Radio waves are the only current conceivable way of detecting life .
The only problem is the amount of analysis and processing that may be necessary.Something else I wonder is whether the fundamentals of nature make the whole scheme of using a carrier signal with modulation ( amplitude , frequency , phase ) the way to use the electromagnetic spectrum.That 's the only way to use the electromagnetic spectrum , as those parameters completely describe the physical properties .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It was a total shot in the dark.
By all means, do those when there isn't anything better to try, or you can't wait.
Problem is, there usually are more visible targets to aim for.That sounds a bit aloof considering that one of the most revolutionary images ever taken of the universe, the Hubble Deep Field, was exactly that, a shot in the dark.
And yes, there were a ton of "more visible" targets.As soon as you have new technology available, the first thing you do is try out the unknown.As for SETI, it's more a question of information theory than of physics.
Radio waves are the only current conceivable way of detecting life.
The only problem is the amount of analysis and processing that may be necessary.Something else I wonder is whether the fundamentals of nature make the whole scheme of using a carrier signal with modulation (amplitude, frequency, phase) the way to use the electromagnetic spectrum.That's the only way to use the electromagnetic spectrum, as those parameters completely describe the physical properties.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30042144</id>
	<title>This is good science</title>
	<author>JoshuaZ</author>
	<datestamp>1257786000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is good science. In 1924 we didn't have any strong reasons to think that there wasn't intelligent life on Mars. If anything, the evidence seemed to favor the other direction. Moreover, simply having ships listen in wouldn't have cost that much money. So this was an experiment with potentially very high pay-off compared to the resources it took. This does lead to some interesting ideas for a scifi story in which they do find signals. NaNoWriMo anyone?</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is good science .
In 1924 we did n't have any strong reasons to think that there was n't intelligent life on Mars .
If anything , the evidence seemed to favor the other direction .
Moreover , simply having ships listen in would n't have cost that much money .
So this was an experiment with potentially very high pay-off compared to the resources it took .
This does lead to some interesting ideas for a scifi story in which they do find signals .
NaNoWriMo anyone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is good science.
In 1924 we didn't have any strong reasons to think that there wasn't intelligent life on Mars.
If anything, the evidence seemed to favor the other direction.
Moreover, simply having ships listen in wouldn't have cost that much money.
So this was an experiment with potentially very high pay-off compared to the resources it took.
This does lead to some interesting ideas for a scifi story in which they do find signals.
NaNoWriMo anyone?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30042344</id>
	<title>Specifically...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257788640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It wasn't until the 1950s, I believe, that scientists began to realize that Venus and Mars were both utterly inhospitable.  Indeed, the first Mariner photographs of Mars, that showed it to be almost moonlike, blasted with craters and seemingly ancient and dead, came as something of a shock to the academic community.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It was n't until the 1950s , I believe , that scientists began to realize that Venus and Mars were both utterly inhospitable .
Indeed , the first Mariner photographs of Mars , that showed it to be almost moonlike , blasted with craters and seemingly ancient and dead , came as something of a shock to the academic community .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It wasn't until the 1950s, I believe, that scientists began to realize that Venus and Mars were both utterly inhospitable.
Indeed, the first Mariner photographs of Mars, that showed it to be almost moonlike, blasted with craters and seemingly ancient and dead, came as something of a shock to the academic community.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30042948</id>
	<title>Re:This is good science</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257883200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It was a total shot in the dark.  By all means, do those when there isn't anything better to try, or you can't wait.  Problem is, there usually are more visible targets to aim for.  When that is so, it's really not good science to explore blindly.

</p><p>I suspect SETI in its current form will turn out to be a waste of effort.  There are so many unknowns, but some of the knowns make scanning the electromagnetic spectrum look very unlikely to bear fruit.  How far can a radio signal travel before it is too faint to be detected?  Or to put it another way, what is the strongest signal a civilization could reasonably produce?  The time it would take is another knock against.  What I'm thinking is that faster than light communication may be possible (spooky action at a distance?), and if it is, then probably intelligent aliens have figured it out and would not use a method dependent on the speed of light.

</p><p>Something else I wonder is whether the fundamentals of nature make the whole scheme of using a carrier signal with modulation (amplitude, frequency, phase) the way to use the electromagnetic spectrum.  If aliens use that medium, can we detect something no matter what method they use?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It was a total shot in the dark .
By all means , do those when there is n't anything better to try , or you ca n't wait .
Problem is , there usually are more visible targets to aim for .
When that is so , it 's really not good science to explore blindly .
I suspect SETI in its current form will turn out to be a waste of effort .
There are so many unknowns , but some of the knowns make scanning the electromagnetic spectrum look very unlikely to bear fruit .
How far can a radio signal travel before it is too faint to be detected ?
Or to put it another way , what is the strongest signal a civilization could reasonably produce ?
The time it would take is another knock against .
What I 'm thinking is that faster than light communication may be possible ( spooky action at a distance ?
) , and if it is , then probably intelligent aliens have figured it out and would not use a method dependent on the speed of light .
Something else I wonder is whether the fundamentals of nature make the whole scheme of using a carrier signal with modulation ( amplitude , frequency , phase ) the way to use the electromagnetic spectrum .
If aliens use that medium , can we detect something no matter what method they use ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It was a total shot in the dark.
By all means, do those when there isn't anything better to try, or you can't wait.
Problem is, there usually are more visible targets to aim for.
When that is so, it's really not good science to explore blindly.
I suspect SETI in its current form will turn out to be a waste of effort.
There are so many unknowns, but some of the knowns make scanning the electromagnetic spectrum look very unlikely to bear fruit.
How far can a radio signal travel before it is too faint to be detected?
Or to put it another way, what is the strongest signal a civilization could reasonably produce?
The time it would take is another knock against.
What I'm thinking is that faster than light communication may be possible (spooky action at a distance?
), and if it is, then probably intelligent aliens have figured it out and would not use a method dependent on the speed of light.
Something else I wonder is whether the fundamentals of nature make the whole scheme of using a carrier signal with modulation (amplitude, frequency, phase) the way to use the electromagnetic spectrum.
If aliens use that medium, can we detect something no matter what method they use?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30045650</id>
	<title>50 years from now</title>
	<author>wcrowe</author>
	<datestamp>1257868920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I predict 50 years from now people will look back and think that SETI was just as silly as listening for radio transmissions from Mars.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I predict 50 years from now people will look back and think that SETI was just as silly as listening for radio transmissions from Mars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I predict 50 years from now people will look back and think that SETI was just as silly as listening for radio transmissions from Mars.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30058246</id>
	<title>Re:Transmission was heard...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257076320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, the chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one,<br>but still, they come!!!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , the chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one,but still , they come ! ! ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, the chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one,but still, they come!!!!
!</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30042338</id>
	<title>Re:This is good science</title>
	<author>Nqdiddles</author>
	<datestamp>1257788580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Coming a week or so too late to be of use to me this year. Might be something to file away in the draw of possibilities for next year though!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Coming a week or so too late to be of use to me this year .
Might be something to file away in the draw of possibilities for next year though !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Coming a week or so too late to be of use to me this year.
Might be something to file away in the draw of possibilities for next year though!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30046002</id>
	<title>The key</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257870660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The key is to remember that we really don't know anything at all, and try to quit extrapolating from the tiny bits of information we get.</p><p>My wife had a professor that she couldn't stand, the professor was saying how back in the day people thought that the earth stayed pretty steady, and the continents were always as they are, now, she said, we KNOW that they shifted from one continent called Pangaea. Sure that is the currently accepted theory, but hell, so was geocentricism and classical gravitational theory. Now we don't really have a clue what the center of the universe is (or even if their is one) and we know that F != G(m1+m2)/r^2, due to relativistic effects. In 50 years we will likely have invalidated general relativity likewise with a more accurate theory.</p><p>Remember, science gives an approximation of the truth, it is often close enough to be useful, but it is never 'right'.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The key is to remember that we really do n't know anything at all , and try to quit extrapolating from the tiny bits of information we get.My wife had a professor that she could n't stand , the professor was saying how back in the day people thought that the earth stayed pretty steady , and the continents were always as they are , now , she said , we KNOW that they shifted from one continent called Pangaea .
Sure that is the currently accepted theory , but hell , so was geocentricism and classical gravitational theory .
Now we do n't really have a clue what the center of the universe is ( or even if their is one ) and we know that F ! = G ( m1 + m2 ) /r ^ 2 , due to relativistic effects .
In 50 years we will likely have invalidated general relativity likewise with a more accurate theory.Remember , science gives an approximation of the truth , it is often close enough to be useful , but it is never 'right' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The key is to remember that we really don't know anything at all, and try to quit extrapolating from the tiny bits of information we get.My wife had a professor that she couldn't stand, the professor was saying how back in the day people thought that the earth stayed pretty steady, and the continents were always as they are, now, she said, we KNOW that they shifted from one continent called Pangaea.
Sure that is the currently accepted theory, but hell, so was geocentricism and classical gravitational theory.
Now we don't really have a clue what the center of the universe is (or even if their is one) and we know that F != G(m1+m2)/r^2, due to relativistic effects.
In 50 years we will likely have invalidated general relativity likewise with a more accurate theory.Remember, science gives an approximation of the truth, it is often close enough to be useful, but it is never 'right'.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30042362</id>
	<title>Re:And...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257788820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>that Mars needs guitars<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</htmltext>
<tokenext>that Mars needs guitars .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that Mars needs guitars ...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30042058</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30048828</id>
	<title>Ovaltine?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257880440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Be... Sure... to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Drink your... Ovaltine!?!?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Be... Sure... to ... Drink your.. .
Ovaltine ! ? ! ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Be... Sure... to ... Drink your...
Ovaltine!?!?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30042240</id>
	<title>What about the president?</title>
	<author>taxman\_10m</author>
	<datestamp>1257787200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The president at the time was Calvin Coolidge.  Was this navy guy doing his own thing or was Cool Cal involved too?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The president at the time was Calvin Coolidge .
Was this navy guy doing his own thing or was Cool Cal involved too ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The president at the time was Calvin Coolidge.
Was this navy guy doing his own thing or was Cool Cal involved too?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30042408</id>
	<title>Venus!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257789540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, being at sea for a long time, they ignored the order and turned the antennas to Venus instead, hoping for some 3-breasted steamy green babes. "Hey babe, Earth's gravity is 20\% stronger, meaning other things are 20\% stronger also. Don't believe me? Hover down and check it out."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , being at sea for a long time , they ignored the order and turned the antennas to Venus instead , hoping for some 3-breasted steamy green babes .
" Hey babe , Earth 's gravity is 20 \ % stronger , meaning other things are 20 \ % stronger also .
Do n't believe me ?
Hover down and check it out .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, being at sea for a long time, they ignored the order and turned the antennas to Venus instead, hoping for some 3-breasted steamy green babes.
"Hey babe, Earth's gravity is 20\% stronger, meaning other things are 20\% stronger also.
Don't believe me?
Hover down and check it out.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30042142</id>
	<title>tone, tone, tone</title>
	<author>Tablizer</author>
	<datestamp>1257785940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"We're sorry, this is a long-distance call. Please hang up and deposit 8 million gold bars."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" We 're sorry , this is a long-distance call .
Please hang up and deposit 8 million gold bars .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"We're sorry, this is a long-distance call.
Please hang up and deposit 8 million gold bars.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30042356</id>
	<title>Re:This is good science</title>
	<author>retchdog</author>
	<datestamp>1257788760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Vernor Vinge does a lot of this. My favorite, where the "aliens" are two rival bands of humans visiting another planet and competing to establish first contact, is <i>A Deepness in the Sky</i>. I wish I could say more, but even describing the overall structure of the story would involve a spoiler.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-/ It's loosely a sequel to <i>A Fire Upon the Deep</i>, but they can be read interchangably.</p><p>I would have sniffed at this kind of stuff before, but having read <i>Deepness</i>... I think it's worth spending some resources to keep an eye open.</p><p>(Yeah, I know; most likely, they could wipe us out without blinking an eye. But that wouldn't be very interesting.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Vernor Vinge does a lot of this .
My favorite , where the " aliens " are two rival bands of humans visiting another planet and competing to establish first contact , is A Deepness in the Sky .
I wish I could say more , but even describing the overall structure of the story would involve a spoiler .
: -/ It 's loosely a sequel to A Fire Upon the Deep , but they can be read interchangably.I would have sniffed at this kind of stuff before , but having read Deepness... I think it 's worth spending some resources to keep an eye open .
( Yeah , I know ; most likely , they could wipe us out without blinking an eye .
But that would n't be very interesting .
; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Vernor Vinge does a lot of this.
My favorite, where the "aliens" are two rival bands of humans visiting another planet and competing to establish first contact, is A Deepness in the Sky.
I wish I could say more, but even describing the overall structure of the story would involve a spoiler.
:-/ It's loosely a sequel to A Fire Upon the Deep, but they can be read interchangably.I would have sniffed at this kind of stuff before, but having read Deepness... I think it's worth spending some resources to keep an eye open.
(Yeah, I know; most likely, they could wipe us out without blinking an eye.
But that wouldn't be very interesting.
;-)</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30043846</id>
	<title>Re:Underfunded?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257853860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, they've stopped because a more interesting problem arose. They are spending all their resources on attempting to detect intelligent signals from the U. S. Congress. So far, the noise has completely overridden any underlying signal but they still hope for success with ever more sensitive equipment. It was thought that when Biden left, this would raise the signal to noise ratio, and it did for awhile. At least the noise decreased. But now it appears that the vice-president's office is acting like a radio black hole even able to suck intelligent brainwaves from escaping. The proof is apparently in the speeches the vice president has given since becoming vice-president. Alien abduction and replacement cannot be ruled out. Anyhow, a radio black hole has never before been seen in the natural universe  and so close scrutiny by Navy scientists is called for.</p><p>There are two parts thought to be present in any Congressional signal if there be any all. The Republican part, it is theorized, is very attenuated but appears to vacillate between sanity and insanity. The phase of the moon figures in here. The Democrat part is chaotic in a strange way, the chaos appears to wrap back on itself. This has the effect of entirely isolating them in an electronic brain trap, no new ideas come in or go out. The Navy feels the key to unlocking this trap is frontal and backtal lobotomy leaving only the lower base parts of the Democrat brain intact. To catch the Republican signal, should it indeed be there, trained dolphins with lasers on their heads will be required. In the meantime, tin foil hats are being distributed throughout the government in the hopes of preventing any dangerous emissions, which might be present but at undetectable levels, from impacting the nation.</p><p>The Navy, in an interim report, says that apart from a mysterious exponential rise in the national debt, no active Congressional signal is present. Said Admiral Wavey-Gravy, "Some of us believe Congress doesn't really exist given they seem to have no discernible effect on the surrounding political environment; it is as though 1000 Klieg lights turned on and no Congress-critter materialized to bask in their warm glow." When it was pointed out to Adm. Wave that news conferences were being held daily by Congress-critters, his response was, "You mean alleged Congress-critters, it isn't like anyone actually caught them doing anything intelligent, is it?"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , they 've stopped because a more interesting problem arose .
They are spending all their resources on attempting to detect intelligent signals from the U. S. Congress .
So far , the noise has completely overridden any underlying signal but they still hope for success with ever more sensitive equipment .
It was thought that when Biden left , this would raise the signal to noise ratio , and it did for awhile .
At least the noise decreased .
But now it appears that the vice-president 's office is acting like a radio black hole even able to suck intelligent brainwaves from escaping .
The proof is apparently in the speeches the vice president has given since becoming vice-president .
Alien abduction and replacement can not be ruled out .
Anyhow , a radio black hole has never before been seen in the natural universe and so close scrutiny by Navy scientists is called for.There are two parts thought to be present in any Congressional signal if there be any all .
The Republican part , it is theorized , is very attenuated but appears to vacillate between sanity and insanity .
The phase of the moon figures in here .
The Democrat part is chaotic in a strange way , the chaos appears to wrap back on itself .
This has the effect of entirely isolating them in an electronic brain trap , no new ideas come in or go out .
The Navy feels the key to unlocking this trap is frontal and backtal lobotomy leaving only the lower base parts of the Democrat brain intact .
To catch the Republican signal , should it indeed be there , trained dolphins with lasers on their heads will be required .
In the meantime , tin foil hats are being distributed throughout the government in the hopes of preventing any dangerous emissions , which might be present but at undetectable levels , from impacting the nation.The Navy , in an interim report , says that apart from a mysterious exponential rise in the national debt , no active Congressional signal is present .
Said Admiral Wavey-Gravy , " Some of us believe Congress does n't really exist given they seem to have no discernible effect on the surrounding political environment ; it is as though 1000 Klieg lights turned on and no Congress-critter materialized to bask in their warm glow .
" When it was pointed out to Adm. Wave that news conferences were being held daily by Congress-critters , his response was , " You mean alleged Congress-critters , it is n't like anyone actually caught them doing anything intelligent , is it ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, they've stopped because a more interesting problem arose.
They are spending all their resources on attempting to detect intelligent signals from the U. S. Congress.
So far, the noise has completely overridden any underlying signal but they still hope for success with ever more sensitive equipment.
It was thought that when Biden left, this would raise the signal to noise ratio, and it did for awhile.
At least the noise decreased.
But now it appears that the vice-president's office is acting like a radio black hole even able to suck intelligent brainwaves from escaping.
The proof is apparently in the speeches the vice president has given since becoming vice-president.
Alien abduction and replacement cannot be ruled out.
Anyhow, a radio black hole has never before been seen in the natural universe  and so close scrutiny by Navy scientists is called for.There are two parts thought to be present in any Congressional signal if there be any all.
The Republican part, it is theorized, is very attenuated but appears to vacillate between sanity and insanity.
The phase of the moon figures in here.
The Democrat part is chaotic in a strange way, the chaos appears to wrap back on itself.
This has the effect of entirely isolating them in an electronic brain trap, no new ideas come in or go out.
The Navy feels the key to unlocking this trap is frontal and backtal lobotomy leaving only the lower base parts of the Democrat brain intact.
To catch the Republican signal, should it indeed be there, trained dolphins with lasers on their heads will be required.
In the meantime, tin foil hats are being distributed throughout the government in the hopes of preventing any dangerous emissions, which might be present but at undetectable levels, from impacting the nation.The Navy, in an interim report, says that apart from a mysterious exponential rise in the national debt, no active Congressional signal is present.
Said Admiral Wavey-Gravy, "Some of us believe Congress doesn't really exist given they seem to have no discernible effect on the surrounding political environment; it is as though 1000 Klieg lights turned on and no Congress-critter materialized to bask in their warm glow.
" When it was pointed out to Adm. Wave that news conferences were being held daily by Congress-critters, his response was, "You mean alleged Congress-critters, it isn't like anyone actually caught them doing anything intelligent, is it?
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30058952</id>
	<title>Re:Underfunded?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257083880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ROFL. This is the kind of minds we need.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ROFL .
This is the kind of minds we need .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ROFL.
This is the kind of minds we need.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30043846</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30042286</id>
	<title>Re:Transmission was heard...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257787740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Its s Simpons reference "Join the Navy"</htmltext>
<tokenext>Its s Simpons reference " Join the Navy "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its s Simpons reference "Join the Navy"</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30043176</id>
	<title>Re:Specifically...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257843600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You don't know many women, do you?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't know many women , do you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't know many women, do you?</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30042384</id>
	<title>Acronym mistake?</title>
	<author>Tablizer</author>
	<datestamp>1257789060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe "MARS" is really an acronym for something like Marine Atmospheric Reflection Survey", but some dolt forgot it and did Mars instead.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe " MARS " is really an acronym for something like Marine Atmospheric Reflection Survey " , but some dolt forgot it and did Mars instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe "MARS" is really an acronym for something like Marine Atmospheric Reflection Survey", but some dolt forgot it and did Mars instead.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30042262</id>
	<title>Well, sure.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257787440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We want to know if they're talking about stealing our precious bodily fluids.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We want to know if they 're talking about stealing our precious bodily fluids .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We want to know if they're talking about stealing our precious bodily fluids.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30042074</id>
	<title>Underfunded?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257785340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>So is that why SETI doesn't get more funding? The Navy knows there aren't any signals out there because they're getting their allies to block any new incoming transmissions...<br> <br>

It all makes sense now!</htmltext>
<tokenext>So is that why SETI does n't get more funding ?
The Navy knows there are n't any signals out there because they 're getting their allies to block any new incoming transmissions.. . It all makes sense now !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So is that why SETI doesn't get more funding?
The Navy knows there aren't any signals out there because they're getting their allies to block any new incoming transmissions... 

It all makes sense now!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30042354</id>
	<title>Jansky's discovery of cosmic radio waves</title>
	<author>602</author>
	<datestamp>1257788760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.bigear.org/vol1no4/jansky.htm" title="bigear.org" rel="nofollow">My brother Karl Jansky and His Discovery (1929) of Radio Waves from Beyond the Earth</a> [bigear.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>My brother Karl Jansky and His Discovery ( 1929 ) of Radio Waves from Beyond the Earth [ bigear.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My brother Karl Jansky and His Discovery (1929) of Radio Waves from Beyond the Earth [bigear.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30046032</id>
	<title>Re:Transmission was heard...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257870780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one</p></div><p>You're right.  There is a much higher chance of something coming from Uranus though.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to oneYou 're right .
There is a much higher chance of something coming from Uranus though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to oneYou're right.
There is a much higher chance of something coming from Uranus though.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30042636</id>
	<title>Re:Specifically...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257792420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You would think Venus would be hospitable, considering women are from there...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You would think Venus would be hospitable , considering women are from there.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You would think Venus would be hospitable, considering women are from there...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30044364</id>
	<title>Re:Evidence of artificial structures on Mars?</title>
	<author>meringuoid</author>
	<datestamp>1257860520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>It would be easy to dismiss these structures as pictures artifacts, and jpeg-artifacts comes to mind</i>

<p>Well, they can't possibly be JPEG artefacts. Because scientists work on the uncompressed TIFF files, not on JPEGs at all. JPEGs are only used for the pretty pictures posted on the web for public use as desktop wallpapers. Nobody would dream of using the JPEGs for research purposes. So these guys, being scientists as you tell us, certainly aren't looking at JPEG artefacts, because they were working from the TIFFs.

</p><p>Right?...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It would be easy to dismiss these structures as pictures artifacts , and jpeg-artifacts comes to mind Well , they ca n't possibly be JPEG artefacts .
Because scientists work on the uncompressed TIFF files , not on JPEGs at all .
JPEGs are only used for the pretty pictures posted on the web for public use as desktop wallpapers .
Nobody would dream of using the JPEGs for research purposes .
So these guys , being scientists as you tell us , certainly are n't looking at JPEG artefacts , because they were working from the TIFFs .
Right ? .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would be easy to dismiss these structures as pictures artifacts, and jpeg-artifacts comes to mind

Well, they can't possibly be JPEG artefacts.
Because scientists work on the uncompressed TIFF files, not on JPEGs at all.
JPEGs are only used for the pretty pictures posted on the web for public use as desktop wallpapers.
Nobody would dream of using the JPEGs for research purposes.
So these guys, being scientists as you tell us, certainly aren't looking at JPEG artefacts, because they were working from the TIFFs.
Right?...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30042626</id>
	<title>Cranks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257792300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously....can we get actual science articles posted?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously....can we get actual science articles posted ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously....can we get actual science articles posted?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30045940</id>
	<title>Re:This is good science</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257870420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"A mere fifty years ago, just throwing a dog or chimp into orbit was tricky business"</p><p>Actually, that was easy. It was getting the dog or chimp back alive that was tricky...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" A mere fifty years ago , just throwing a dog or chimp into orbit was tricky business " Actually , that was easy .
It was getting the dog or chimp back alive that was tricky.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"A mere fifty years ago, just throwing a dog or chimp into orbit was tricky business"Actually, that was easy.
It was getting the dog or chimp back alive that was tricky...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30042432</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30043436</id>
	<title>Re:Transmission was heard...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257847800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No I didn't but according to some sources 'The chances of anything coming from Mars are a million
to one".</htmltext>
<tokenext>No I did n't but according to some sources 'The chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No I didn't but according to some sources 'The chances of anything coming from Mars are a million
to one".</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30048122</id>
	<title>Take out the trash please</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257878040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To whoever deletes the crappy posts, the "funny" posts are not funny, contribute nothing and are annoying. Filter out the lame cheeky funny business.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To whoever deletes the crappy posts , the " funny " posts are not funny , contribute nothing and are annoying .
Filter out the lame cheeky funny business .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To whoever deletes the crappy posts, the "funny" posts are not funny, contribute nothing and are annoying.
Filter out the lame cheeky funny business.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30042086</id>
	<title>Man,</title>
	<author>Tablizer</author>
	<datestamp>1257785340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>what I wouldn't give to be able to put a transmitter on Mars and fuck with them. "Bring me all your pretty girls and best beers or face destruction, puny Earthlings! And spell out 'Earth is Stupid' with your battleships so we can spot it from space."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>what I would n't give to be able to put a transmitter on Mars and fuck with them .
" Bring me all your pretty girls and best beers or face destruction , puny Earthlings !
And spell out 'Earth is Stupid ' with your battleships so we can spot it from space .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what I wouldn't give to be able to put a transmitter on Mars and fuck with them.
"Bring me all your pretty girls and best beers or face destruction, puny Earthlings!
And spell out 'Earth is Stupid' with your battleships so we can spot it from space.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30051056</id>
	<title>Re:Transmission was heard...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257846240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It was only three words - "Mars needs women!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It was only three words - " Mars needs women !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It was only three words - "Mars needs women!
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30042070</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30042198</id>
	<title>LHC</title>
	<author>Tablizer</author>
	<datestamp>1257786780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Message received: "This is the Large Hadron Collider from the future. Do not attempt to [static.......] last warning."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Message received : " This is the Large Hadron Collider from the future .
Do not attempt to [ static....... ] last warning .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Message received: "This is the Large Hadron Collider from the future.
Do not attempt to [static.......] last warning.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30042292</id>
	<title>The chances of anything coming from Mars...</title>
	<author>White Flame</author>
	<datestamp>1257787800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>are a million to one, he said!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>are a million to one , he said !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>are a million to one, he said!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30042956</id>
	<title>Re:LHC</title>
	<author>TheModelEskimo</author>
	<datestamp>1257883380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Repeat...do not attempt....[static] baguette...birds may....most urgent"</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Repeat...do not attempt.... [ static ] baguette...birds may....most urgent "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Repeat...do not attempt....[static] baguette...birds may....most urgent"</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30046092</id>
	<title>Re:This is good science</title>
	<author>gestalt\_n\_pepper</author>
	<datestamp>1257870960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Chimps? Heck, I still have trouble throwing even a small dog into orbit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Chimps ?
Heck , I still have trouble throwing even a small dog into orbit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Chimps?
Heck, I still have trouble throwing even a small dog into orbit.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30042432</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30042624</id>
	<title>This is a topic for The Man</title>
	<author>G3ckoG33k</author>
	<datestamp>1257792300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Search for Life on Mars? This is a topic for The Man. No, not David Bowie, but <a href="http://www.charlieleduff.com/" title="charlieleduff.com">http://www.charlieleduff.com/</a> [charlieleduff.com]<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)

Seriously, this is not any more strange than NASA doing SETI. Or why should it be?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Search for Life on Mars ?
This is a topic for The Man .
No , not David Bowie , but http : //www.charlieleduff.com/ [ charlieleduff.com ] : ) Seriously , this is not any more strange than NASA doing SETI .
Or why should it be ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Search for Life on Mars?
This is a topic for The Man.
No, not David Bowie, but http://www.charlieleduff.com/ [charlieleduff.com] :)

Seriously, this is not any more strange than NASA doing SETI.
Or why should it be?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30042058</id>
	<title>And...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257785160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What did they find?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What did they find ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What did they find?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30042070</id>
	<title>Transmission was heard...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257785280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They did catch a radio transmission, which said "Yvan eht nioj".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They did catch a radio transmission , which said " Yvan eht nioj " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They did catch a radio transmission, which said "Yvan eht nioj".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30042328</id>
	<title>Re:LHC</title>
	<author>Ukab the Great</author>
	<datestamp>1257788400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"...use the LHC to distill vodka. It makes terrible vodka...."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" ...use the LHC to distill vodka .
It makes terrible vodka.... "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"...use the LHC to distill vodka.
It makes terrible vodka...."</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30042198</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30042904</id>
	<title>Re:LHC</title>
	<author>Sparx139</author>
	<datestamp>1257796200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Replying to undo mis-moderation. You'd think they would have listened by now and added a confirmation...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Replying to undo mis-moderation .
You 'd think they would have listened by now and added a confirmation.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Replying to undo mis-moderation.
You'd think they would have listened by now and added a confirmation...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30042198</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30042150</id>
	<title>Response reads...</title>
	<author>syousef</author>
	<datestamp>1257786060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"The chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one...."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one.... "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one...."</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30042104</id>
	<title>Missed opportunity</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257785460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They should have slapped a portable radio on the rovers. Then again cell phones might have been a better move. If AT&amp;T is providing service on Mars there's no way the signal would reach Earth. It's crappy enough when you are standing under a tower.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They should have slapped a portable radio on the rovers .
Then again cell phones might have been a better move .
If AT&amp;T is providing service on Mars there 's no way the signal would reach Earth .
It 's crappy enough when you are standing under a tower .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They should have slapped a portable radio on the rovers.
Then again cell phones might have been a better move.
If AT&amp;T is providing service on Mars there's no way the signal would reach Earth.
It's crappy enough when you are standing under a tower.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30044306</id>
	<title>Re:This is good science</title>
	<author>(arg!)Styopa</author>
	<datestamp>1257859980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"A mere fifty years ago, just throwing a dog or chimp into orbit was tricky business..."</p><p>More importantly, we were trying.</p><p>Now, it seems, we can hardly be bothered.  We've got all these darn poor people to take care of, and WoW to play, not necessarily in that order.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" A mere fifty years ago , just throwing a dog or chimp into orbit was tricky business... " More importantly , we were trying.Now , it seems , we can hardly be bothered .
We 've got all these darn poor people to take care of , and WoW to play , not necessarily in that order .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"A mere fifty years ago, just throwing a dog or chimp into orbit was tricky business..."More importantly, we were trying.Now, it seems, we can hardly be bothered.
We've got all these darn poor people to take care of, and WoW to play, not necessarily in that order.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1758233.30042432</parent>
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