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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_07_2145215</id>
	<title>Comic Books Improve Early Childhood Literacy</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1257587220000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://hughpickens.com/" rel="nofollow">Hugh Pickens</a> writes <i>"The Telegraph reports that Professor Carol Tilley, a professor of library and information science at the University of Illinois, says that comics are <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/6516323/Comic-books-are-good-for-childrens-learning.html">just as sophisticated as other forms of reading</a>, children benefit from reading them at least as much as they do from reading other kinds of books, and that there is evidence that comics increase children's vocabulary and instill a love of reading. 'A lot of the criticism of comics and comic books come from people who think that kids are just looking at the pictures and not putting them together with the words,' says Tilley. 'But you could easily make some of the same criticisms of picture books &ndash; that kids are just looking at pictures, and not at the words.'  Tilley says that some of the condescension toward comics as a medium may come from the connotations that the name itself evokes but that the distinct comic book aesthetic &mdash; frames, thought and speech bubbles, motion lines, to name a few &mdash; has been <a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/11/091105121220.htm">co-opted by children's books, creating a hybrid format</a>."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hugh Pickens writes " The Telegraph reports that Professor Carol Tilley , a professor of library and information science at the University of Illinois , says that comics are just as sophisticated as other forms of reading , children benefit from reading them at least as much as they do from reading other kinds of books , and that there is evidence that comics increase children 's vocabulary and instill a love of reading .
'A lot of the criticism of comics and comic books come from people who think that kids are just looking at the pictures and not putting them together with the words, ' says Tilley .
'But you could easily make some of the same criticisms of picture books    that kids are just looking at pictures , and not at the words .
' Tilley says that some of the condescension toward comics as a medium may come from the connotations that the name itself evokes but that the distinct comic book aesthetic    frames , thought and speech bubbles , motion lines , to name a few    has been co-opted by children 's books , creating a hybrid format .
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<sentencetext>Hugh Pickens writes "The Telegraph reports that Professor Carol Tilley, a professor of library and information science at the University of Illinois, says that comics are just as sophisticated as other forms of reading, children benefit from reading them at least as much as they do from reading other kinds of books, and that there is evidence that comics increase children's vocabulary and instill a love of reading.
'A lot of the criticism of comics and comic books come from people who think that kids are just looking at the pictures and not putting them together with the words,' says Tilley.
'But you could easily make some of the same criticisms of picture books – that kids are just looking at pictures, and not at the words.
'  Tilley says that some of the condescension toward comics as a medium may come from the connotations that the name itself evokes but that the distinct comic book aesthetic — frames, thought and speech bubbles, motion lines, to name a few — has been co-opted by children's books, creating a hybrid format.
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	<title>Tintin</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257591780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Shooting rhinos for the lulz since 1931</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Shooting rhinos for the lulz since 1931</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Shooting rhinos for the lulz since 1931</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30017298</id>
	<title>Makes sense</title>
	<author>MichaelSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1257593700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My son is seven years old and has graduated to books like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zac\_power" title="wikipedia.org">Zac Power</a> [wikipedia.org]. But two years ago he was into comic books. I think anything which gets them reading is good. With a comic they can follow the pictures then use the words to better understand the story, so it definitely leads them into reading and gives them the confidence to turn the pages.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My son is seven years old and has graduated to books like Zac Power [ wikipedia.org ] .
But two years ago he was into comic books .
I think anything which gets them reading is good .
With a comic they can follow the pictures then use the words to better understand the story , so it definitely leads them into reading and gives them the confidence to turn the pages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My son is seven years old and has graduated to books like Zac Power [wikipedia.org].
But two years ago he was into comic books.
I think anything which gets them reading is good.
With a comic they can follow the pictures then use the words to better understand the story, so it definitely leads them into reading and gives them the confidence to turn the pages.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30017102</id>
	<title>Also foreign language learning. . .</title>
	<author>bogidu</author>
	<datestamp>1257591600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I lived in Spain for a year, spoke/read very little spanish when I moved there and read alot of x-men comic books.  They did help me pick up vocabulary and common expressions and such.  Anyone who things that any form of reading cannot help just due to it's content is just being prejudicial against the material.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I lived in Spain for a year , spoke/read very little spanish when I moved there and read alot of x-men comic books .
They did help me pick up vocabulary and common expressions and such .
Anyone who things that any form of reading can not help just due to it 's content is just being prejudicial against the material .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I lived in Spain for a year, spoke/read very little spanish when I moved there and read alot of x-men comic books.
They did help me pick up vocabulary and common expressions and such.
Anyone who things that any form of reading cannot help just due to it's content is just being prejudicial against the material.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30017724</id>
	<title>Accuracies</title>
	<author>DynaSoar</author>
	<datestamp>1257597900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why so defensive? I haven't heard a discouraging word about comics since specialty stores started pulling in big bucks and especially since Bruce Willis made it a habit of using them as a primary source. Perhaps TFA wouldn't get get as much milage here if it made the generalization explicit and said that narrated dialog with action directions given as illustrations improved etc. etc.  And the author may not have been confident of the attention to be had except when there's a condescending offstage character tossing off connotations. But frankly I haven't heard a new one of those since Heavy Metal appeared. Still, how he arrives at the criticism that kids are looking at the pictures but not the words is beyond me. It'd be demonstrable either way in any case, and that's on the kid, not the medium. If the medium were to blame, doctors' and dentists' waiting rooms around the world wouldn't have books of bible stories done up in this format, since the people who make these available tend to want to be taken seriously more so than most others producing material in this form.</p><p>Dr. Tilley isn't exactly putting up a straw man, but he's definitely dragging out a wimpy old adversary who's long past his prime.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why so defensive ?
I have n't heard a discouraging word about comics since specialty stores started pulling in big bucks and especially since Bruce Willis made it a habit of using them as a primary source .
Perhaps TFA would n't get get as much milage here if it made the generalization explicit and said that narrated dialog with action directions given as illustrations improved etc .
etc. And the author may not have been confident of the attention to be had except when there 's a condescending offstage character tossing off connotations .
But frankly I have n't heard a new one of those since Heavy Metal appeared .
Still , how he arrives at the criticism that kids are looking at the pictures but not the words is beyond me .
It 'd be demonstrable either way in any case , and that 's on the kid , not the medium .
If the medium were to blame , doctors ' and dentists ' waiting rooms around the world would n't have books of bible stories done up in this format , since the people who make these available tend to want to be taken seriously more so than most others producing material in this form.Dr .
Tilley is n't exactly putting up a straw man , but he 's definitely dragging out a wimpy old adversary who 's long past his prime .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why so defensive?
I haven't heard a discouraging word about comics since specialty stores started pulling in big bucks and especially since Bruce Willis made it a habit of using them as a primary source.
Perhaps TFA wouldn't get get as much milage here if it made the generalization explicit and said that narrated dialog with action directions given as illustrations improved etc.
etc.  And the author may not have been confident of the attention to be had except when there's a condescending offstage character tossing off connotations.
But frankly I haven't heard a new one of those since Heavy Metal appeared.
Still, how he arrives at the criticism that kids are looking at the pictures but not the words is beyond me.
It'd be demonstrable either way in any case, and that's on the kid, not the medium.
If the medium were to blame, doctors' and dentists' waiting rooms around the world wouldn't have books of bible stories done up in this format, since the people who make these available tend to want to be taken seriously more so than most others producing material in this form.Dr.
Tilley isn't exactly putting up a straw man, but he's definitely dragging out a wimpy old adversary who's long past his prime.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30017160</id>
	<title>Re:Also foreign language learning. . .</title>
	<author>Renraku</author>
	<datestamp>1257592200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A friend of mine is obsessed with all things Japanese.  I'm interested in the language myself, so I used the Rosetta stone software.  I was impressed with what I was able to learn.  Fast forward two years.</p><p>He knows way more Japanese than I do.  I can barely remember the katakana/hirogana.  He has a real actual USE for it, and uses it daily.  I don't use it much at all.  When I do, I have to look everything up.</p><p>I suspect if I had gotten some manga (in Japanese) or read a lot of Japanese websites, I'd be much better at it today.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A friend of mine is obsessed with all things Japanese .
I 'm interested in the language myself , so I used the Rosetta stone software .
I was impressed with what I was able to learn .
Fast forward two years.He knows way more Japanese than I do .
I can barely remember the katakana/hirogana .
He has a real actual USE for it , and uses it daily .
I do n't use it much at all .
When I do , I have to look everything up.I suspect if I had gotten some manga ( in Japanese ) or read a lot of Japanese websites , I 'd be much better at it today .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A friend of mine is obsessed with all things Japanese.
I'm interested in the language myself, so I used the Rosetta stone software.
I was impressed with what I was able to learn.
Fast forward two years.He knows way more Japanese than I do.
I can barely remember the katakana/hirogana.
He has a real actual USE for it, and uses it daily.
I don't use it much at all.
When I do, I have to look everything up.I suspect if I had gotten some manga (in Japanese) or read a lot of Japanese websites, I'd be much better at it today.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30018662</id>
	<title>subtitled movies</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257607920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Watching subtitled movies with foreign language audio must have similarly positive effects to reading comprehension and vocabulary. Not that it's common in English-speaking countries, or places where movies are always dubbed. But in other places, it's pretty much the only way you can watch a (non-native) movie, so the motivation to read is high! It also doesn't hurt to hear the foreign dialog as it helps learning that language.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Watching subtitled movies with foreign language audio must have similarly positive effects to reading comprehension and vocabulary .
Not that it 's common in English-speaking countries , or places where movies are always dubbed .
But in other places , it 's pretty much the only way you can watch a ( non-native ) movie , so the motivation to read is high !
It also does n't hurt to hear the foreign dialog as it helps learning that language .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Watching subtitled movies with foreign language audio must have similarly positive effects to reading comprehension and vocabulary.
Not that it's common in English-speaking countries, or places where movies are always dubbed.
But in other places, it's pretty much the only way you can watch a (non-native) movie, so the motivation to read is high!
It also doesn't hurt to hear the foreign dialog as it helps learning that language.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30022112</id>
	<title>"Franco-Belgian graphic albums" - ha!</title>
	<author>Kupfernigk</author>
	<datestamp>1257698280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's OK, I improved my school French with Tintin too. We don't have to avoid the T-word. We know nowadays it's stereotypical racist and all the rest...but so is a lot of French literature. And with Asterix...my French teacher was convinced I would fail French Lit O level (this is the distant past, folks) because I really didn't think much of the set books. I took it a year early and got a grade A. I went on to read Rabelais in the original. And I agree with everything you write.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's OK , I improved my school French with Tintin too .
We do n't have to avoid the T-word .
We know nowadays it 's stereotypical racist and all the rest...but so is a lot of French literature .
And with Asterix...my French teacher was convinced I would fail French Lit O level ( this is the distant past , folks ) because I really did n't think much of the set books .
I took it a year early and got a grade A. I went on to read Rabelais in the original .
And I agree with everything you write .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's OK, I improved my school French with Tintin too.
We don't have to avoid the T-word.
We know nowadays it's stereotypical racist and all the rest...but so is a lot of French literature.
And with Asterix...my French teacher was convinced I would fail French Lit O level (this is the distant past, folks) because I really didn't think much of the set books.
I took it a year early and got a grade A. I went on to read Rabelais in the original.
And I agree with everything you write.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30018112</id>
	<title>Any good Russian comics?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257601380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My Russian's getting a bit rusty.  Anyone know of any good online Russian comics?  As others have stated, it's a very good way of working on colloquial language variants.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My Russian 's getting a bit rusty .
Anyone know of any good online Russian comics ?
As others have stated , it 's a very good way of working on colloquial language variants .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My Russian's getting a bit rusty.
Anyone know of any good online Russian comics?
As others have stated, it's a very good way of working on colloquial language variants.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30019184</id>
	<title>From X-men to Shakespeare</title>
	<author>xanthos</author>
	<datestamp>1257615060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I started my kids on comics when they were little to get them interested in reading and it worked.  They still read comics along with plenty of other "serious" reading.  Hell, my oldest had read the complete works of Shakespeare ON HER OWN before she was out of high school.  Now she takes books on molecular biology along for light reading when she goes to cons.</p><p>Setting, plot and character development, story arc, social interactions.  Good vs Evil, right and wrong, justice and injustice, freedom, oppression and bigotry.  Comic books pretty much covers it all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I started my kids on comics when they were little to get them interested in reading and it worked .
They still read comics along with plenty of other " serious " reading .
Hell , my oldest had read the complete works of Shakespeare ON HER OWN before she was out of high school .
Now she takes books on molecular biology along for light reading when she goes to cons.Setting , plot and character development , story arc , social interactions .
Good vs Evil , right and wrong , justice and injustice , freedom , oppression and bigotry .
Comic books pretty much covers it all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I started my kids on comics when they were little to get them interested in reading and it worked.
They still read comics along with plenty of other "serious" reading.
Hell, my oldest had read the complete works of Shakespeare ON HER OWN before she was out of high school.
Now she takes books on molecular biology along for light reading when she goes to cons.Setting, plot and character development, story arc, social interactions.
Good vs Evil, right and wrong, justice and injustice, freedom, oppression and bigotry.
Comic books pretty much covers it all.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30017630</id>
	<title>Re:No doubt.</title>
	<author>g253</author>
	<datestamp>1257596880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, I personally learned all the multiplication tables at school, it also works... And while a comic functions just like any other book in teaching the kid the many skills needed to enjoy reading, it's obviously not going to be as good as other books for certain specific aspects. You can get a lot from reading comic books, or from reading the Illiad, or Tolkien, or Carroll... you're just not going to learn all the same things. What I mean to say is I think comics are a good read, but shouldn't be the only thing read.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I personally learned all the multiplication tables at school , it also works... And while a comic functions just like any other book in teaching the kid the many skills needed to enjoy reading , it 's obviously not going to be as good as other books for certain specific aspects .
You can get a lot from reading comic books , or from reading the Illiad , or Tolkien , or Carroll... you 're just not going to learn all the same things .
What I mean to say is I think comics are a good read , but should n't be the only thing read .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I personally learned all the multiplication tables at school, it also works... And while a comic functions just like any other book in teaching the kid the many skills needed to enjoy reading, it's obviously not going to be as good as other books for certain specific aspects.
You can get a lot from reading comic books, or from reading the Illiad, or Tolkien, or Carroll... you're just not going to learn all the same things.
What I mean to say is I think comics are a good read, but shouldn't be the only thing read.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30020676</id>
	<title>Re:Also foreign language learning. . .</title>
	<author>fastest fascist</author>
	<datestamp>1257685800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I believe reading my father's collection of english-language underground comics as a child contributed significantly to my English skills. (Not a native speaker) I remember first leafing through them when I was maybe 7 years old, and I would return to them from time to time when I was bored. At first I found the more adult-oriented stuff boring (and it really was not what you would call suitable material for children, what with all the drug use and sexual content), skipping it altogether for strips with more pictures and fewer words. Gradually, though, as my ability to read the language grew and I matured otherwise, I began to appreciate the more complex stories as well. Fortunately my parents never saw it fit to prevent me from reading the material - conventional wisdom certainly would suggest I should have been seriously damaged by it. Instead, I learned from it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe reading my father 's collection of english-language underground comics as a child contributed significantly to my English skills .
( Not a native speaker ) I remember first leafing through them when I was maybe 7 years old , and I would return to them from time to time when I was bored .
At first I found the more adult-oriented stuff boring ( and it really was not what you would call suitable material for children , what with all the drug use and sexual content ) , skipping it altogether for strips with more pictures and fewer words .
Gradually , though , as my ability to read the language grew and I matured otherwise , I began to appreciate the more complex stories as well .
Fortunately my parents never saw it fit to prevent me from reading the material - conventional wisdom certainly would suggest I should have been seriously damaged by it .
Instead , I learned from it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe reading my father's collection of english-language underground comics as a child contributed significantly to my English skills.
(Not a native speaker) I remember first leafing through them when I was maybe 7 years old, and I would return to them from time to time when I was bored.
At first I found the more adult-oriented stuff boring (and it really was not what you would call suitable material for children, what with all the drug use and sexual content), skipping it altogether for strips with more pictures and fewer words.
Gradually, though, as my ability to read the language grew and I matured otherwise, I began to appreciate the more complex stories as well.
Fortunately my parents never saw it fit to prevent me from reading the material - conventional wisdom certainly would suggest I should have been seriously damaged by it.
Instead, I learned from it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30018124</id>
	<title>More than pretty pictures.</title>
	<author>oniboy</author>
	<datestamp>1257601500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've always suspected as much.<br>
I only read Playboy to increase my vocabulary and increase a love of reading.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've always suspected as much .
I only read Playboy to increase my vocabulary and increase a love of reading .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've always suspected as much.
I only read Playboy to increase my vocabulary and increase a love of reading.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30017266</id>
	<title>Understanding Comics by Scott McCloud</title>
	<author>six11</author>
	<datestamp>1257593280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nerds of many stripes can benefit from the book <a href="http://scottmccloud.com/" title="scottmccloud.com"> <i>Understanding Comics</i> by Scott McCloud</a> [scottmccloud.com]. It is required reading in many undergrad and masters programs (like HCI, Film, English, Interaction Design, etc). If you ever have the chance to see Scott give a talk, do yourself a favor and go.</p><p>If you aren't sure if comics are a legitimate art or communication medium, read the book. It uses comics as a platform for explaining how narrative works---and that's something that is useful to basically everybody.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nerds of many stripes can benefit from the book Understanding Comics by Scott McCloud [ scottmccloud.com ] .
It is required reading in many undergrad and masters programs ( like HCI , Film , English , Interaction Design , etc ) .
If you ever have the chance to see Scott give a talk , do yourself a favor and go.If you are n't sure if comics are a legitimate art or communication medium , read the book .
It uses comics as a platform for explaining how narrative works---and that 's something that is useful to basically everybody .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nerds of many stripes can benefit from the book  Understanding Comics by Scott McCloud [scottmccloud.com].
It is required reading in many undergrad and masters programs (like HCI, Film, English, Interaction Design, etc).
If you ever have the chance to see Scott give a talk, do yourself a favor and go.If you aren't sure if comics are a legitimate art or communication medium, read the book.
It uses comics as a platform for explaining how narrative works---and that's something that is useful to basically everybody.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30017134</id>
	<title>Ha!</title>
	<author>PCM2</author>
	<datestamp>1257591900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What a coincidence. I was just thinking about my dad -- ordinarily a highly intelligent person -- and how he once told me how disappointed he was that I was reading comics, because "I'd forget how to read real books," or some such nonsense. (I was probably about 14 at the time -- a crucial time of life, apparently, when the danger of literary alopecia lurks around every corner.)</p><p>What pop seemed to have forgotten was that a large part of the reason why I was reading three or four grades ahead of my class when I first started school was because A.) I had seen the movie <i>Star Wars,</i> and B.) that meant I needed to immerse myself in every <i>Star Wars</i> thing I could possibly get my hands on, especially including comic books.</p><p>Remember, there was no way to just watch your favorite movie at home in those days. One of the main ways to get my daily fix of the Force was to revisit the saga in comic book form. And it turns out this was actually a very efficient way to learn how to read. Consider: Having seen the movie in the theater about seven times already, I had pretty much <i>memorized all the lines.</i> The dialogue in the comic books wasn't exactly the same, but before long I could easily follow along with the simple lines and expository captions.</p><p>These days I'm revisiting the same trick, reading Franco-Belgian graphic albums as a booster for studying French. My brain is far less able to pick up languages these days than when I was a kid, but the same rules apply with modern French comics as with those <i>Star Wars</i> comics from the 70s, for the most part. The things characters say aren't usually all that complex, and the pictures often give you a hint as to what they might be saying. You can even pick up idioms and colloquialisms that you might not normally be exposed to by a textbook.</p><p>I'm glad to see someone's actually doing the research, though. It's probably the only way you would ever convince my dad.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What a coincidence .
I was just thinking about my dad -- ordinarily a highly intelligent person -- and how he once told me how disappointed he was that I was reading comics , because " I 'd forget how to read real books , " or some such nonsense .
( I was probably about 14 at the time -- a crucial time of life , apparently , when the danger of literary alopecia lurks around every corner .
) What pop seemed to have forgotten was that a large part of the reason why I was reading three or four grades ahead of my class when I first started school was because A .
) I had seen the movie Star Wars , and B .
) that meant I needed to immerse myself in every Star Wars thing I could possibly get my hands on , especially including comic books.Remember , there was no way to just watch your favorite movie at home in those days .
One of the main ways to get my daily fix of the Force was to revisit the saga in comic book form .
And it turns out this was actually a very efficient way to learn how to read .
Consider : Having seen the movie in the theater about seven times already , I had pretty much memorized all the lines .
The dialogue in the comic books was n't exactly the same , but before long I could easily follow along with the simple lines and expository captions.These days I 'm revisiting the same trick , reading Franco-Belgian graphic albums as a booster for studying French .
My brain is far less able to pick up languages these days than when I was a kid , but the same rules apply with modern French comics as with those Star Wars comics from the 70s , for the most part .
The things characters say are n't usually all that complex , and the pictures often give you a hint as to what they might be saying .
You can even pick up idioms and colloquialisms that you might not normally be exposed to by a textbook.I 'm glad to see someone 's actually doing the research , though .
It 's probably the only way you would ever convince my dad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What a coincidence.
I was just thinking about my dad -- ordinarily a highly intelligent person -- and how he once told me how disappointed he was that I was reading comics, because "I'd forget how to read real books," or some such nonsense.
(I was probably about 14 at the time -- a crucial time of life, apparently, when the danger of literary alopecia lurks around every corner.
)What pop seemed to have forgotten was that a large part of the reason why I was reading three or four grades ahead of my class when I first started school was because A.
) I had seen the movie Star Wars, and B.
) that meant I needed to immerse myself in every Star Wars thing I could possibly get my hands on, especially including comic books.Remember, there was no way to just watch your favorite movie at home in those days.
One of the main ways to get my daily fix of the Force was to revisit the saga in comic book form.
And it turns out this was actually a very efficient way to learn how to read.
Consider: Having seen the movie in the theater about seven times already, I had pretty much memorized all the lines.
The dialogue in the comic books wasn't exactly the same, but before long I could easily follow along with the simple lines and expository captions.These days I'm revisiting the same trick, reading Franco-Belgian graphic albums as a booster for studying French.
My brain is far less able to pick up languages these days than when I was a kid, but the same rules apply with modern French comics as with those Star Wars comics from the 70s, for the most part.
The things characters say aren't usually all that complex, and the pictures often give you a hint as to what they might be saying.
You can even pick up idioms and colloquialisms that you might not normally be exposed to by a textbook.I'm glad to see someone's actually doing the research, though.
It's probably the only way you would ever convince my dad.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30017752</id>
	<title>Other languages, too</title>
	<author>Aladrin</author>
	<datestamp>1257598080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Someone above mentioned Spanish, but I've been using 'comic books' to help learn Japanese.  Regular books are -far- too hard yet, but I could puzzle my way through an easy manga (japanese comic book) months ago now.  Now I'm up to early teen mangas and still getting better.  Yes, my goal is to eventually read any book I can lay my hands on, but there's no doubt in my mind that manga have made it far, far easier to learn Japanese.</p><p>I see no reason this wouldn't be the same for English as well.  Yes, there may be some reluctance from the child when moving from comics to real books, but if they already enjoy reading when it comes time for that, it'll be easier.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Someone above mentioned Spanish , but I 've been using 'comic books ' to help learn Japanese .
Regular books are -far- too hard yet , but I could puzzle my way through an easy manga ( japanese comic book ) months ago now .
Now I 'm up to early teen mangas and still getting better .
Yes , my goal is to eventually read any book I can lay my hands on , but there 's no doubt in my mind that manga have made it far , far easier to learn Japanese.I see no reason this would n't be the same for English as well .
Yes , there may be some reluctance from the child when moving from comics to real books , but if they already enjoy reading when it comes time for that , it 'll be easier .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Someone above mentioned Spanish, but I've been using 'comic books' to help learn Japanese.
Regular books are -far- too hard yet, but I could puzzle my way through an easy manga (japanese comic book) months ago now.
Now I'm up to early teen mangas and still getting better.
Yes, my goal is to eventually read any book I can lay my hands on, but there's no doubt in my mind that manga have made it far, far easier to learn Japanese.I see no reason this wouldn't be the same for English as well.
Yes, there may be some reluctance from the child when moving from comics to real books, but if they already enjoy reading when it comes time for that, it'll be easier.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30019028</id>
	<title>Re:Also foreign language learning. . .</title>
	<author>Panoptes</author>
	<datestamp>1257612840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I owe my fluency in French to Asterix  - started back in 1965 while studying for A Level French, and never looked back. I not only actively encourage my secondary school English as a Second Language students to read comics, but get them to create their own - drawing and writing them as a class exercise. It's one of the most successful classroom activities that I know.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I owe my fluency in French to Asterix - started back in 1965 while studying for A Level French , and never looked back .
I not only actively encourage my secondary school English as a Second Language students to read comics , but get them to create their own - drawing and writing them as a class exercise .
It 's one of the most successful classroom activities that I know .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I owe my fluency in French to Asterix  - started back in 1965 while studying for A Level French, and never looked back.
I not only actively encourage my secondary school English as a Second Language students to read comics, but get them to create their own - drawing and writing them as a class exercise.
It's one of the most successful classroom activities that I know.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30018768</id>
	<title>It's all good</title>
	<author>Quiet\_Desperation</author>
	<datestamp>1257609540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Imaginative stuff in the formative years is always good. Gets the brain going. For example, my parents were pretty cool and let me watch James Bond and kung fu films from a young age. By age 10 I could seduce sexy Russian double agents and break a man's spine with my fingertips. Ah, good times.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Imaginative stuff in the formative years is always good .
Gets the brain going .
For example , my parents were pretty cool and let me watch James Bond and kung fu films from a young age .
By age 10 I could seduce sexy Russian double agents and break a man 's spine with my fingertips .
Ah , good times .
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Imaginative stuff in the formative years is always good.
Gets the brain going.
For example, my parents were pretty cool and let me watch James Bond and kung fu films from a young age.
By age 10 I could seduce sexy Russian double agents and break a man's spine with my fingertips.
Ah, good times.
:-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30023078</id>
	<title>Re: your sig</title>
	<author>Kupfernigk</author>
	<datestamp>1257704040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Micro" is Greek. That Latin root for very small is "pusill.." so I think you mean "Pusillmolle" -</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Micro " is Greek .
That Latin root for very small is " pusill.. " so I think you mean " Pusillmolle " -</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Micro" is Greek.
That Latin root for very small is "pusill.." so I think you mean "Pusillmolle" -</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30021788</id>
	<title>The real reason teachers don't like comics.</title>
	<author>papershark</author>
	<datestamp>1257696060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I used to read American comics when I was a little kid, today I have a masters in English Literature.<br>I really find it hard to hate comics... although a broadly agree that about 98 percent of what is published is crap and nonsense. Sure it's functionally literate nonsense, but really, this is no different to all mainstream publishing.</p><p>Both bad comics and bad books are good a creating functionally literate people if that is all you really want.   I suspect quantity of action, which rises as a child finds material that engages them is the most important factor in creating literate abilities needed within a information culture. Trust me... comics more than surpass this.</p><p>Educationalists&rsquo; will package reading as a recreation because unlike food, a lot of crap will not damage a child's literacy.<br>Although it may damage their taste.</p><p>The problem could be that an illiterate child can enjoy a comic without reading it... well not reading the text at least.<br>I suspect the problem (insecurity) for educationalist is in grading a comic at reading levels, which would be practically impossible.</p><p>I picked up a French Tin Tin book (in a second hand shop) and enjoyed for about 15 minutes it in a way that undetectable to any one who could not know that I have very very poor reading skills in French. Such a situation if unthinkable in classroom.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to read American comics when I was a little kid , today I have a masters in English Literature.I really find it hard to hate comics... although a broadly agree that about 98 percent of what is published is crap and nonsense .
Sure it 's functionally literate nonsense , but really , this is no different to all mainstream publishing.Both bad comics and bad books are good a creating functionally literate people if that is all you really want .
I suspect quantity of action , which rises as a child finds material that engages them is the most important factor in creating literate abilities needed within a information culture .
Trust me... comics more than surpass this.Educationalists    will package reading as a recreation because unlike food , a lot of crap will not damage a child 's literacy.Although it may damage their taste.The problem could be that an illiterate child can enjoy a comic without reading it... well not reading the text at least.I suspect the problem ( insecurity ) for educationalist is in grading a comic at reading levels , which would be practically impossible.I picked up a French Tin Tin book ( in a second hand shop ) and enjoyed for about 15 minutes it in a way that undetectable to any one who could not know that I have very very poor reading skills in French .
Such a situation if unthinkable in classroom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to read American comics when I was a little kid, today I have a masters in English Literature.I really find it hard to hate comics... although a broadly agree that about 98 percent of what is published is crap and nonsense.
Sure it's functionally literate nonsense, but really, this is no different to all mainstream publishing.Both bad comics and bad books are good a creating functionally literate people if that is all you really want.
I suspect quantity of action, which rises as a child finds material that engages them is the most important factor in creating literate abilities needed within a information culture.
Trust me... comics more than surpass this.Educationalists’ will package reading as a recreation because unlike food, a lot of crap will not damage a child's literacy.Although it may damage their taste.The problem could be that an illiterate child can enjoy a comic without reading it... well not reading the text at least.I suspect the problem (insecurity) for educationalist is in grading a comic at reading levels, which would be practically impossible.I picked up a French Tin Tin book (in a second hand shop) and enjoyed for about 15 minutes it in a way that undetectable to any one who could not know that I have very very poor reading skills in French.
Such a situation if unthinkable in classroom.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30017792</id>
	<title>So what does pornography improve?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257598500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wrist strength?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wrist strength ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wrist strength?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30044146</id>
	<title>Re:No doubt.</title>
	<author>tehcyder</author>
	<datestamp>1257857940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>When I look at one of his books it's just a bunch of random explosions and women with bizarrely large breasts.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
You forgot the next sentence beginning "But on the downside..."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>When I look at one of his books it 's just a bunch of random explosions and women with bizarrely large breasts .
You forgot the next sentence beginning " But on the downside... "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I look at one of his books it's just a bunch of random explosions and women with bizarrely large breasts.
You forgot the next sentence beginning "But on the downside..."
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30028242</id>
	<title>Can't it be both?</title>
	<author>Ritchie70</author>
	<datestamp>1257696900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I was a kid, I had my dad's collection of Classics Illustrated.</p><p>Three Musketeers, Count of Monte Cristo, and many others.</p><p>Honestly it's the only way I've read (still) some of the classics.... one of the negative points of an engineering education I guess.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I was a kid , I had my dad 's collection of Classics Illustrated.Three Musketeers , Count of Monte Cristo , and many others.Honestly it 's the only way I 've read ( still ) some of the classics.... one of the negative points of an engineering education I guess .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I was a kid, I had my dad's collection of Classics Illustrated.Three Musketeers, Count of Monte Cristo, and many others.Honestly it's the only way I've read (still) some of the classics.... one of the negative points of an engineering education I guess.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30021996</id>
	<title>Re:Uncle Scrooge and Nephews in the 50s</title>
	<author>N!NJA</author>
	<datestamp>1257697440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Barks' work has been inspirational for Spielberg and Lucas...
<br> <br>

from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl\_Barks#Barks.27\_influence" title="wikipedia.org">Wikipedia</a> [wikipedia.org]:<p><div class="quote"><p>Steven Spielberg and George Lucas have acknowledged that the rolling-boulder booby trap in the opening scene of Raiders of the Lost Ark was inspired by the 1954 Carl Barks Uncle Scrooge adventure "The Seven Cities of Cibola" (Uncle Scrooge #7). Lucas and Spielberg have also said that some of Barks's stories about space travel and the depiction of aliens had an influence on them.[3] Lucas wrote the foreword to the 1982 Uncle Scrooge McDuck: His Life and Times. In it he calls Barks's stories "cinematic" and "a priceless part of our literary heritage".</p></div><p>those comics were of a remarkable quality! they expanded both my knowledge of history (Greeks, Romans, Vikings, etc) and vocabulary immensely. it was also through Barks' stories i learned English (painfully translating word-by-word with a dictionary). it's sad that those characters and stories got so over-simplified for the "Ducktales" cartoon.
<br> <br>

for more info on Barks works, check out:
<br>
<a href="http://inducks.org/" title="inducks.org">inducks.org</a> [inducks.org] <br>
<a href="http://www.barksbase.de/" title="barksbase.de">BarksBase</a> [barksbase.de]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Barks ' work has been inspirational for Spielberg and Lucas.. . from Wikipedia [ wikipedia.org ] : Steven Spielberg and George Lucas have acknowledged that the rolling-boulder booby trap in the opening scene of Raiders of the Lost Ark was inspired by the 1954 Carl Barks Uncle Scrooge adventure " The Seven Cities of Cibola " ( Uncle Scrooge # 7 ) .
Lucas and Spielberg have also said that some of Barks 's stories about space travel and the depiction of aliens had an influence on them .
[ 3 ] Lucas wrote the foreword to the 1982 Uncle Scrooge McDuck : His Life and Times .
In it he calls Barks 's stories " cinematic " and " a priceless part of our literary heritage " .those comics were of a remarkable quality !
they expanded both my knowledge of history ( Greeks , Romans , Vikings , etc ) and vocabulary immensely .
it was also through Barks ' stories i learned English ( painfully translating word-by-word with a dictionary ) .
it 's sad that those characters and stories got so over-simplified for the " Ducktales " cartoon .
for more info on Barks works , check out : inducks.org [ inducks.org ] BarksBase [ barksbase.de ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Barks' work has been inspirational for Spielberg and Lucas...
 

from Wikipedia [wikipedia.org]:Steven Spielberg and George Lucas have acknowledged that the rolling-boulder booby trap in the opening scene of Raiders of the Lost Ark was inspired by the 1954 Carl Barks Uncle Scrooge adventure "The Seven Cities of Cibola" (Uncle Scrooge #7).
Lucas and Spielberg have also said that some of Barks's stories about space travel and the depiction of aliens had an influence on them.
[3] Lucas wrote the foreword to the 1982 Uncle Scrooge McDuck: His Life and Times.
In it he calls Barks's stories "cinematic" and "a priceless part of our literary heritage".those comics were of a remarkable quality!
they expanded both my knowledge of history (Greeks, Romans, Vikings, etc) and vocabulary immensely.
it was also through Barks' stories i learned English (painfully translating word-by-word with a dictionary).
it's sad that those characters and stories got so over-simplified for the "Ducktales" cartoon.
for more info on Barks works, check out:

inducks.org [inducks.org] 
BarksBase [barksbase.de]
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30025746</id>
	<title>Re:Also foreign language learning. . .</title>
	<author>Panoptes</author>
	<datestamp>1257679500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Asterix is aimed at small children? No, it's aimed at all ages. The stories are packed with historical (and in particular classical) allusions, and highly sophisticated plays on words. Like all works of genius, it operates on many levels.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Asterix is aimed at small children ?
No , it 's aimed at all ages .
The stories are packed with historical ( and in particular classical ) allusions , and highly sophisticated plays on words .
Like all works of genius , it operates on many levels .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Asterix is aimed at small children?
No, it's aimed at all ages.
The stories are packed with historical (and in particular classical) allusions, and highly sophisticated plays on words.
Like all works of genius, it operates on many levels.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30019336</id>
	<title>really old news</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257617340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is not news. Pretty much anyone that has been trained in the teaching of reading knows that readers (especially emerging readers) benefit from any and all exposure to print. The data do tend to support this position. So I'm not sure this qualifies as news-worthy.</p><p>Also, everyone seems to have missed the fact that Tilley is a Librarian, and not a reading teacher or professor of Ed specializing in reading instruction. The two are not synonymous.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is not news .
Pretty much anyone that has been trained in the teaching of reading knows that readers ( especially emerging readers ) benefit from any and all exposure to print .
The data do tend to support this position .
So I 'm not sure this qualifies as news-worthy.Also , everyone seems to have missed the fact that Tilley is a Librarian , and not a reading teacher or professor of Ed specializing in reading instruction .
The two are not synonymous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is not news.
Pretty much anyone that has been trained in the teaching of reading knows that readers (especially emerging readers) benefit from any and all exposure to print.
The data do tend to support this position.
So I'm not sure this qualifies as news-worthy.Also, everyone seems to have missed the fact that Tilley is a Librarian, and not a reading teacher or professor of Ed specializing in reading instruction.
The two are not synonymous.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30020816</id>
	<title>Re:As long as we call them what they are</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257688380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, there's a technical classification:</p><p>Comic books; the thirty-odd page pamphlets, usually serialised, published just about monthly<br>Trade paperback (TPB); collections of comic books, usually containing six to eight issues from the same series<br>Graphic novels; original, longer-form stories in the comics format, not previously published as individual issues and usually designed to be consumed as a single, standalone story.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , there 's a technical classification : Comic books ; the thirty-odd page pamphlets , usually serialised , published just about monthlyTrade paperback ( TPB ) ; collections of comic books , usually containing six to eight issues from the same seriesGraphic novels ; original , longer-form stories in the comics format , not previously published as individual issues and usually designed to be consumed as a single , standalone story .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, there's a technical classification:Comic books; the thirty-odd page pamphlets, usually serialised, published just about monthlyTrade paperback (TPB); collections of comic books, usually containing six to eight issues from the same seriesGraphic novels; original, longer-form stories in the comics format, not previously published as individual issues and usually designed to be consumed as a single, standalone story.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30017206</id>
	<title>Re:In Other News....</title>
	<author>PCM2</author>
	<datestamp>1257592740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Do the hundreds of science fiction studies professors who loudly proclaim that sci-fi is just as valid a genre as any other get posts on Slashdot too?</p></div><p>Believe it or not, there are a great many works of fiction that are not genre fiction -- consider, say, <i>Moby-Dick</i>. From that perspective, saying one fiction genre is equal to another is sort of like saying one pizza is the same as any other. You might disagree. You might like pizza from one pizza place better than the others, or one might deliver faster. But all pizzas are, at the end of the day, pizzas. There's not really any point in arguing.</p><p>What this study is hoping to help dismiss, on the other hand, is the idea that comics <i>in and of themselves</i> are a genre. There are a lot of people that will tell you that it doesn't matter whether the subject matter of a comic is science fiction, superheroes, Western, mystery, horror, or slice-of-life; the comic has a genre, and that genre is <i>comics.</i> People who know better get fed up with this attitude and are happy to hear about people doing things to change the public consciousness.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do the hundreds of science fiction studies professors who loudly proclaim that sci-fi is just as valid a genre as any other get posts on Slashdot too ? Believe it or not , there are a great many works of fiction that are not genre fiction -- consider , say , Moby-Dick .
From that perspective , saying one fiction genre is equal to another is sort of like saying one pizza is the same as any other .
You might disagree .
You might like pizza from one pizza place better than the others , or one might deliver faster .
But all pizzas are , at the end of the day , pizzas .
There 's not really any point in arguing.What this study is hoping to help dismiss , on the other hand , is the idea that comics in and of themselves are a genre .
There are a lot of people that will tell you that it does n't matter whether the subject matter of a comic is science fiction , superheroes , Western , mystery , horror , or slice-of-life ; the comic has a genre , and that genre is comics .
People who know better get fed up with this attitude and are happy to hear about people doing things to change the public consciousness .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do the hundreds of science fiction studies professors who loudly proclaim that sci-fi is just as valid a genre as any other get posts on Slashdot too?Believe it or not, there are a great many works of fiction that are not genre fiction -- consider, say, Moby-Dick.
From that perspective, saying one fiction genre is equal to another is sort of like saying one pizza is the same as any other.
You might disagree.
You might like pizza from one pizza place better than the others, or one might deliver faster.
But all pizzas are, at the end of the day, pizzas.
There's not really any point in arguing.What this study is hoping to help dismiss, on the other hand, is the idea that comics in and of themselves are a genre.
There are a lot of people that will tell you that it doesn't matter whether the subject matter of a comic is science fiction, superheroes, Western, mystery, horror, or slice-of-life; the comic has a genre, and that genre is comics.
People who know better get fed up with this attitude and are happy to hear about people doing things to change the public consciousness.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30017084</id>
	<title>Re:No doubt.</title>
	<author>Hognoxious</author>
	<datestamp>1257591480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>There's an art to reading graphic novels, and knowing how to read them.</p></div> </blockquote><p>You can probably get a degree in it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's an art to reading graphic novels , and knowing how to read them .
You can probably get a degree in it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's an art to reading graphic novels, and knowing how to read them.
You can probably get a degree in it.
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	<title>Long history of this in Belgium</title>
	<author>CharlyFoxtrot</author>
	<datestamp>1257603540000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>We have a very long tradition of teaching kids to read by reading comic books here in Belgium. Generation have grown up with kid friendly comics like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jommeke" title="wikipedia.org">Jommeke</a> [wikipedia.org] and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suske\_en\_wiske" title="wikipedia.org">Suske en Wiske</a> [wikipedia.org] eventually graduating to more complex ones like the ever popular <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin\_tin" title="wikipedia.org">Tin Tin</a> [wikipedia.org]. One common trope is to have a character with a confused manner of talking who is always being corrected which effectively shows kids how they should talk. They are also routinely used to teach foreign languages. I myself learned french using Suske En Wiske (Bob et Bobette) comic strips and translated Asterix books are sometimes given as introductory literature for latin classes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We have a very long tradition of teaching kids to read by reading comic books here in Belgium .
Generation have grown up with kid friendly comics like Jommeke [ wikipedia.org ] and Suske en Wiske [ wikipedia.org ] eventually graduating to more complex ones like the ever popular Tin Tin [ wikipedia.org ] .
One common trope is to have a character with a confused manner of talking who is always being corrected which effectively shows kids how they should talk .
They are also routinely used to teach foreign languages .
I myself learned french using Suske En Wiske ( Bob et Bobette ) comic strips and translated Asterix books are sometimes given as introductory literature for latin classes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have a very long tradition of teaching kids to read by reading comic books here in Belgium.
Generation have grown up with kid friendly comics like Jommeke [wikipedia.org] and Suske en Wiske [wikipedia.org] eventually graduating to more complex ones like the ever popular Tin Tin [wikipedia.org].
One common trope is to have a character with a confused manner of talking who is always being corrected which effectively shows kids how they should talk.
They are also routinely used to teach foreign languages.
I myself learned french using Suske En Wiske (Bob et Bobette) comic strips and translated Asterix books are sometimes given as introductory literature for latin classes.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:comic books</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1257598380000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>"Comic books aren't just escapist fantasy. They're sophisticated social critiques."</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad\_(magazine)" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad\_(magazine)</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Comic books are n't just escapist fantasy .
They 're sophisticated social critiques .
" http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad \ _ ( magazine ) [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Comic books aren't just escapist fantasy.
They're sophisticated social critiques.
"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad\_(magazine) [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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	<title>For my son it was the BBC..</title>
	<author>cheros</author>
	<datestamp>1257683280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My son didn't have cartoons, but he got addicted to a <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/wordsandpictures/" title="bbc.co.uk">BBC programme called "Words &amp; pictures"</a> [bbc.co.uk] which was shown every morning (and we ended up religiously taping).  This starts with describing letters ("e" - "eel, egg") and then draws them very explicitly on a whiteboard with a "magic marker" ("straight across and rouuund"), and the series gradually moves into paired characters and then eventually words.  This interest started at age 2.5 or so, and after a totally worn out video recorder (for seeing things again), a mountain of scrapbooks (at first, one character was enough to fill a page) and half a paycheck on whiteboard markers (until we found the liquid filled ones that don't dry out) he was writing and reading at age 3.5.  I had not realised he picked up pre-reading as well until I asked him to read ME a story, and it was too fluent for him to read that word by word.  A few years later I noticed him speed reading as well, he seems to follow the diagonal method.</p><p>All we did was give him the opportunity, the exposure.  No pressure, just help if it didn't work or learning how to hold a pen properly and how to make letters the same size when fine motoric skills were up to it.  I must admit I was a bit worried about how deep he got into this - on holidays, all it took was a pen and a notepad to keep him from getting bored.  He seems to have my affinity for fast pattern recognition, maybe that helped - I remember having to slow him down so he switched from reading the words to understanding the sentence and its content.</p><p>At his school there was another girl who'd done exactly the same, so they ended up reading the story of the nativity play that year together.</p><p>Personally, if the BBC would put that series out on DVDs I would recommend this to any parent.  Kids seem to pick things up at warp speed when they're ready for it and interested, just don't try to force it (especially when they're little - they will go to school soon enough).  Most of the time exposing them to as many different things as possible and having fun with it is enough - if something resonates you'll know soon.</p><p>Thank you BBC.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My son did n't have cartoons , but he got addicted to a BBC programme called " Words &amp; pictures " [ bbc.co.uk ] which was shown every morning ( and we ended up religiously taping ) .
This starts with describing letters ( " e " - " eel , egg " ) and then draws them very explicitly on a whiteboard with a " magic marker " ( " straight across and rouuund " ) , and the series gradually moves into paired characters and then eventually words .
This interest started at age 2.5 or so , and after a totally worn out video recorder ( for seeing things again ) , a mountain of scrapbooks ( at first , one character was enough to fill a page ) and half a paycheck on whiteboard markers ( until we found the liquid filled ones that do n't dry out ) he was writing and reading at age 3.5 .
I had not realised he picked up pre-reading as well until I asked him to read ME a story , and it was too fluent for him to read that word by word .
A few years later I noticed him speed reading as well , he seems to follow the diagonal method.All we did was give him the opportunity , the exposure .
No pressure , just help if it did n't work or learning how to hold a pen properly and how to make letters the same size when fine motoric skills were up to it .
I must admit I was a bit worried about how deep he got into this - on holidays , all it took was a pen and a notepad to keep him from getting bored .
He seems to have my affinity for fast pattern recognition , maybe that helped - I remember having to slow him down so he switched from reading the words to understanding the sentence and its content.At his school there was another girl who 'd done exactly the same , so they ended up reading the story of the nativity play that year together.Personally , if the BBC would put that series out on DVDs I would recommend this to any parent .
Kids seem to pick things up at warp speed when they 're ready for it and interested , just do n't try to force it ( especially when they 're little - they will go to school soon enough ) .
Most of the time exposing them to as many different things as possible and having fun with it is enough - if something resonates you 'll know soon.Thank you BBC .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My son didn't have cartoons, but he got addicted to a BBC programme called "Words &amp; pictures" [bbc.co.uk] which was shown every morning (and we ended up religiously taping).
This starts with describing letters ("e" - "eel, egg") and then draws them very explicitly on a whiteboard with a "magic marker" ("straight across and rouuund"), and the series gradually moves into paired characters and then eventually words.
This interest started at age 2.5 or so, and after a totally worn out video recorder (for seeing things again), a mountain of scrapbooks (at first, one character was enough to fill a page) and half a paycheck on whiteboard markers (until we found the liquid filled ones that don't dry out) he was writing and reading at age 3.5.
I had not realised he picked up pre-reading as well until I asked him to read ME a story, and it was too fluent for him to read that word by word.
A few years later I noticed him speed reading as well, he seems to follow the diagonal method.All we did was give him the opportunity, the exposure.
No pressure, just help if it didn't work or learning how to hold a pen properly and how to make letters the same size when fine motoric skills were up to it.
I must admit I was a bit worried about how deep he got into this - on holidays, all it took was a pen and a notepad to keep him from getting bored.
He seems to have my affinity for fast pattern recognition, maybe that helped - I remember having to slow him down so he switched from reading the words to understanding the sentence and its content.At his school there was another girl who'd done exactly the same, so they ended up reading the story of the nativity play that year together.Personally, if the BBC would put that series out on DVDs I would recommend this to any parent.
Kids seem to pick things up at warp speed when they're ready for it and interested, just don't try to force it (especially when they're little - they will go to school soon enough).
Most of the time exposing them to as many different things as possible and having fun with it is enough - if something resonates you'll know soon.Thank you BBC.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Back in the day, comic books were EVIL!</title>
	<author>Roblimo</author>
	<datestamp>1257600000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yah. I remember, as a kid in Orange, California in the late 50s - mid 60s, the unanimous line from parents and teachers about how comics would rot your brain and keep you from ever reading "real" books.</p><p>Funny thing: me and my comics-reading, comics-trading buddies all grew up to love reading. We graduated from comics to adult (not meant in the porn sense, you dirty-minded pervert) books earlier than most of our peers, and still, in our 50s, tend to read more than most people.</p><p>Go figure!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yah .
I remember , as a kid in Orange , California in the late 50s - mid 60s , the unanimous line from parents and teachers about how comics would rot your brain and keep you from ever reading " real " books.Funny thing : me and my comics-reading , comics-trading buddies all grew up to love reading .
We graduated from comics to adult ( not meant in the porn sense , you dirty-minded pervert ) books earlier than most of our peers , and still , in our 50s , tend to read more than most people.Go figure !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yah.
I remember, as a kid in Orange, California in the late 50s - mid 60s, the unanimous line from parents and teachers about how comics would rot your brain and keep you from ever reading "real" books.Funny thing: me and my comics-reading, comics-trading buddies all grew up to love reading.
We graduated from comics to adult (not meant in the porn sense, you dirty-minded pervert) books earlier than most of our peers, and still, in our 50s, tend to read more than most people.Go figure!</sentencetext>
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	<title>Fat Freddy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257687180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know how "The Freak Brothers" and Fat Freddy fit in to this. But that was definitely the best comic ever...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know how " The Freak Brothers " and Fat Freddy fit in to this .
But that was definitely the best comic ever.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know how "The Freak Brothers" and Fat Freddy fit in to this.
But that was definitely the best comic ever...</sentencetext>
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	<title>Little Kids Love The Family Circus</title>
	<author>theodp</author>
	<datestamp>1257594480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Little kids seem to love <a href="http://www.familycircus.com/" title="familycircus.com">The Family Circus</a> [familycircus.com] (characters look like them), and later will get a kick out of <a href="http://dfc.furr.org/" title="furr.org">The Dysfunctional Family Circus</a> [furr.org].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Little kids seem to love The Family Circus [ familycircus.com ] ( characters look like them ) , and later will get a kick out of The Dysfunctional Family Circus [ furr.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Little kids seem to love The Family Circus [familycircus.com] (characters look like them), and later will get a kick out of The Dysfunctional Family Circus [furr.org].</sentencetext>
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	<title>Hard to read aloud</title>
	<author>cretog8</author>
	<datestamp>1257616140000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>It turns out not to be needed for our kid, who loves a bunch of different books, but I tried to motivate learning to read by nearly refusing to read him comics. That wasn't because I think they're bad, but because comics (once that use the medium well, at least) don't read aloud easily. As the reader, you constantly have to be deciding the chronology of which sounds/thoughts/voices come when, and whether to whisper, and when to say, "and Batman's thinking..." or whatever. And then you've got maybe a bunch of panels with no words at all, and do you say anything for them or let the pictures speak for themselves?</p><p>Blah, It's just not fun for me reading those aloud. So, they're reserved for solo reading.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It turns out not to be needed for our kid , who loves a bunch of different books , but I tried to motivate learning to read by nearly refusing to read him comics .
That was n't because I think they 're bad , but because comics ( once that use the medium well , at least ) do n't read aloud easily .
As the reader , you constantly have to be deciding the chronology of which sounds/thoughts/voices come when , and whether to whisper , and when to say , " and Batman 's thinking... " or whatever .
And then you 've got maybe a bunch of panels with no words at all , and do you say anything for them or let the pictures speak for themselves ? Blah , It 's just not fun for me reading those aloud .
So , they 're reserved for solo reading .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It turns out not to be needed for our kid, who loves a bunch of different books, but I tried to motivate learning to read by nearly refusing to read him comics.
That wasn't because I think they're bad, but because comics (once that use the medium well, at least) don't read aloud easily.
As the reader, you constantly have to be deciding the chronology of which sounds/thoughts/voices come when, and whether to whisper, and when to say, "and Batman's thinking..." or whatever.
And then you've got maybe a bunch of panels with no words at all, and do you say anything for them or let the pictures speak for themselves?Blah, It's just not fun for me reading those aloud.
So, they're reserved for solo reading.</sentencetext>
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	<title>It's true...this is how I learned English</title>
	<author>DrVomact</author>
	<datestamp>1257798180000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I was abruptly thrown into second grade of an American school at age 8 without knowing a word of English. My only language at that time was German. This was roughly 1956. Luckily, some aspects of American culture had already insiduously penetrated the German one&mdash;specifically, Walt Disney comic books. Thus, when I found a huge pile of comic books that the kindly American teacher had stashed in a closet in the back room, I realized that I had found my personal Rosetta Stone. I knew the <em>form</em> of this sort of communication; I knew who Donald and Uncle Scrooge and Huey Dewey and Louie were. Thanks to my phonic skills (courtesy of good instruction by <em>real</em> grammar nazis) I was able to decode the words in the speech and thought bubbles, and connect them with words I heard my classmates say.</p><p>
So I snuck inside during recess (most of which usually consisted of being beat up for being a lousy Kraut who couldn't speak English) and devoured comic books. Within weeks, I could speak English&mdash;though my pronunciation was weird, to say the least (why don't those stupid Americans pronounce every vowel in words like, for example, "beautiful"? Why isn't it "beh-ah-oo-ti-ful"?). By the middle of third grade, I'd lost all trace of my Germanic accent, and could "pass" as an American.</p><p>
So yes, I would be all in favor of buying "graphic novels" or whatever for non-English speakers who wish to adapt in a hurry.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was abruptly thrown into second grade of an American school at age 8 without knowing a word of English .
My only language at that time was German .
This was roughly 1956 .
Luckily , some aspects of American culture had already insiduously penetrated the German one    specifically , Walt Disney comic books .
Thus , when I found a huge pile of comic books that the kindly American teacher had stashed in a closet in the back room , I realized that I had found my personal Rosetta Stone .
I knew the form of this sort of communication ; I knew who Donald and Uncle Scrooge and Huey Dewey and Louie were .
Thanks to my phonic skills ( courtesy of good instruction by real grammar nazis ) I was able to decode the words in the speech and thought bubbles , and connect them with words I heard my classmates say .
So I snuck inside during recess ( most of which usually consisted of being beat up for being a lousy Kraut who could n't speak English ) and devoured comic books .
Within weeks , I could speak English    though my pronunciation was weird , to say the least ( why do n't those stupid Americans pronounce every vowel in words like , for example , " beautiful " ?
Why is n't it " beh-ah-oo-ti-ful " ? ) .
By the middle of third grade , I 'd lost all trace of my Germanic accent , and could " pass " as an American .
So yes , I would be all in favor of buying " graphic novels " or whatever for non-English speakers who wish to adapt in a hurry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was abruptly thrown into second grade of an American school at age 8 without knowing a word of English.
My only language at that time was German.
This was roughly 1956.
Luckily, some aspects of American culture had already insiduously penetrated the German one—specifically, Walt Disney comic books.
Thus, when I found a huge pile of comic books that the kindly American teacher had stashed in a closet in the back room, I realized that I had found my personal Rosetta Stone.
I knew the form of this sort of communication; I knew who Donald and Uncle Scrooge and Huey Dewey and Louie were.
Thanks to my phonic skills (courtesy of good instruction by real grammar nazis) I was able to decode the words in the speech and thought bubbles, and connect them with words I heard my classmates say.
So I snuck inside during recess (most of which usually consisted of being beat up for being a lousy Kraut who couldn't speak English) and devoured comic books.
Within weeks, I could speak English—though my pronunciation was weird, to say the least (why don't those stupid Americans pronounce every vowel in words like, for example, "beautiful"?
Why isn't it "beh-ah-oo-ti-ful"?).
By the middle of third grade, I'd lost all trace of my Germanic accent, and could "pass" as an American.
So yes, I would be all in favor of buying "graphic novels" or whatever for non-English speakers who wish to adapt in a hurry.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:No doubt.</title>
	<author>makuabob</author>
	<datestamp>1257598200000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Absolutely!<p>I learned an incredible amount about innuendo, suggestive phrasing, double entendre AND adult humor from years of reading MAD! magazine from the late '50s on. Just the effort of finding the humor in Spy vs Spy several times each issue was an exercise with a great payoff! It sent me on my way to early geekdom as a radio-TV repairman, electronics technician in the Navy and, totally unavoidable, computer programming as early as the 1980s! Many thanks, Alfred E.! (BTW, I have the current issue (Will Worry for Food, right here<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)
</p><p>And even though they are "cartoons," the close runners-up for kicking me between my eyes, time after time, are Rocky &amp; Bullwinkle plus George of the Jungle. Adult content? Almost every episode! I thank you, &amp; thank you, &amp; thank you!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Absolutely ! I learned an incredible amount about innuendo , suggestive phrasing , double entendre AND adult humor from years of reading MAD !
magazine from the late '50s on .
Just the effort of finding the humor in Spy vs Spy several times each issue was an exercise with a great payoff !
It sent me on my way to early geekdom as a radio-TV repairman , electronics technician in the Navy and , totally unavoidable , computer programming as early as the 1980s !
Many thanks , Alfred E. !
( BTW , I have the current issue ( Will Worry for Food , right here : - ) And even though they are " cartoons , " the close runners-up for kicking me between my eyes , time after time , are Rocky &amp; Bullwinkle plus George of the Jungle .
Adult content ?
Almost every episode !
I thank you , &amp; thank you , &amp; thank you !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Absolutely!I learned an incredible amount about innuendo, suggestive phrasing, double entendre AND adult humor from years of reading MAD!
magazine from the late '50s on.
Just the effort of finding the humor in Spy vs Spy several times each issue was an exercise with a great payoff!
It sent me on my way to early geekdom as a radio-TV repairman, electronics technician in the Navy and, totally unavoidable, computer programming as early as the 1980s!
Many thanks, Alfred E.!
(BTW, I have the current issue (Will Worry for Food, right here :-)
And even though they are "cartoons," the close runners-up for kicking me between my eyes, time after time, are Rocky &amp; Bullwinkle plus George of the Jungle.
Adult content?
Almost every episode!
I thank you, &amp; thank you, &amp; thank you!
!</sentencetext>
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	<title>You're WRONG and Id Like to Settle It in the ARENA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257594660000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><a href="http://filthyunderpants.mybrute.com/" title="mybrute.com" rel="nofollow">http://filthyunderpants.mybrute.com</a> [mybrute.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //filthyunderpants.mybrute.com [ mybrute.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://filthyunderpants.mybrute.com [mybrute.com]</sentencetext>
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	<title>Manga</title>
	<author>linebackn</author>
	<datestamp>1257591600000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>If they think comic books will help, just imagine what they could do with manga!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If they think comic books will help , just imagine what they could do with manga !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they think comic books will help, just imagine what they could do with manga!</sentencetext>
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	<title>As long as we call them what they are</title>
	<author>DrugCheese</author>
	<datestamp>1257602640000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Comic books. I've always hated the name 'Graphic Novels'</p><p>If we're gonna rename it they should be called 'Paper Cartoons'</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Comic books .
I 've always hated the name 'Graphic Novels'If we 're gon na rename it they should be called 'Paper Cartoons'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Comic books.
I've always hated the name 'Graphic Novels'If we're gonna rename it they should be called 'Paper Cartoons'</sentencetext>
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	<title>Would it kill you to mention some titles?</title>
	<author>Alaren</author>
	<datestamp>1257591660000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Despite their marginalization, Tilley said the distinct comic book aesthetic -- frames, thought and speech bubbles, motion lines, to name a few -- has been co-opted by children's books, creating a hybrid format.

</p><p>"There has been an increase in the number of comic book-type elements in books for younger children," Tilley said.</p></div></blockquote><p>For anyone who wants to know what she's talking about, go check out <a href="http://www.wimpykid.com/" title="wimpykid.com">Diary of a Wimpy Kid</a> [wimpykid.com]--assuming you haven't already.  It's usually categorized as a "Middle Grade" series of books and is hugely best-selling.  It isn't as epic or serious as Harry Potter or the <i>Twilight</i> books, and solidly middle grade stuff doesn't usually get as much play in the press because it doesn't cross over as well into an adult audience, but Jeff Kinney makes fabulous use of short, often one-panel "comics" right in the flow of the story.  It's more than illustrations (as still seen in many MG books) but less than exposition.

</p><p>I'm not sure why the only titles mentioned in the article were Astro Boy and Sailor Moon.  I think the professor's arguments are well-considered, but there are some great concrete examples that would have given the article a little more meat.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Despite their marginalization , Tilley said the distinct comic book aesthetic -- frames , thought and speech bubbles , motion lines , to name a few -- has been co-opted by children 's books , creating a hybrid format .
" There has been an increase in the number of comic book-type elements in books for younger children , " Tilley said.For anyone who wants to know what she 's talking about , go check out Diary of a Wimpy Kid [ wimpykid.com ] --assuming you have n't already .
It 's usually categorized as a " Middle Grade " series of books and is hugely best-selling .
It is n't as epic or serious as Harry Potter or the Twilight books , and solidly middle grade stuff does n't usually get as much play in the press because it does n't cross over as well into an adult audience , but Jeff Kinney makes fabulous use of short , often one-panel " comics " right in the flow of the story .
It 's more than illustrations ( as still seen in many MG books ) but less than exposition .
I 'm not sure why the only titles mentioned in the article were Astro Boy and Sailor Moon .
I think the professor 's arguments are well-considered , but there are some great concrete examples that would have given the article a little more meat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Despite their marginalization, Tilley said the distinct comic book aesthetic -- frames, thought and speech bubbles, motion lines, to name a few -- has been co-opted by children's books, creating a hybrid format.
"There has been an increase in the number of comic book-type elements in books for younger children," Tilley said.For anyone who wants to know what she's talking about, go check out Diary of a Wimpy Kid [wimpykid.com]--assuming you haven't already.
It's usually categorized as a "Middle Grade" series of books and is hugely best-selling.
It isn't as epic or serious as Harry Potter or the Twilight books, and solidly middle grade stuff doesn't usually get as much play in the press because it doesn't cross over as well into an adult audience, but Jeff Kinney makes fabulous use of short, often one-panel "comics" right in the flow of the story.
It's more than illustrations (as still seen in many MG books) but less than exposition.
I'm not sure why the only titles mentioned in the article were Astro Boy and Sailor Moon.
I think the professor's arguments are well-considered, but there are some great concrete examples that would have given the article a little more meat.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30019564</id>
	<title>Re:Also foreign language learning. . .</title>
	<author>sunwolf</author>
	<datestamp>1257621000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Rosetta Stone is generally a waste of time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Rosetta Stone is generally a waste of time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rosetta Stone is generally a waste of time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30017716</id>
	<title>Take with a pinch of Salt...</title>
	<author>FlyingGuy</author>
	<datestamp>1257597840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now as a kid who had a fairly vast comic book collection I would read them a lot, and well looked at the drawings as well ( Mrs. Fantastic was pretty dang hot ) and I doubt I am any worse for the exposure.</p><p>Fast Forward 40 years and now I have an 8 year old.  He just finished reading Tom Sawyer for school and was completely absorbed by it and it had very few simple line drawing illustrations.  He is trending toward books with few illustrations and I am really ok with that.</p><p>I am not sure if that is a product of both me and my wife reading to him almost every night since he was old enough to do something more then drool and stair at us or not but I like to think it is.  I am also not sure if it is a product of very very little video based entertainment.  He gets no TV during the week and although he can have pretty much as much as he can stomach on the weekends he does end up doing more reading and Lego stuff.</p><p>Please keep in mind that your mileage may be <b>extremely</b> different and my way is by no means the only or best way, it is simply the way I chose.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now as a kid who had a fairly vast comic book collection I would read them a lot , and well looked at the drawings as well ( Mrs. Fantastic was pretty dang hot ) and I doubt I am any worse for the exposure.Fast Forward 40 years and now I have an 8 year old .
He just finished reading Tom Sawyer for school and was completely absorbed by it and it had very few simple line drawing illustrations .
He is trending toward books with few illustrations and I am really ok with that.I am not sure if that is a product of both me and my wife reading to him almost every night since he was old enough to do something more then drool and stair at us or not but I like to think it is .
I am also not sure if it is a product of very very little video based entertainment .
He gets no TV during the week and although he can have pretty much as much as he can stomach on the weekends he does end up doing more reading and Lego stuff.Please keep in mind that your mileage may be extremely different and my way is by no means the only or best way , it is simply the way I chose .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now as a kid who had a fairly vast comic book collection I would read them a lot, and well looked at the drawings as well ( Mrs. Fantastic was pretty dang hot ) and I doubt I am any worse for the exposure.Fast Forward 40 years and now I have an 8 year old.
He just finished reading Tom Sawyer for school and was completely absorbed by it and it had very few simple line drawing illustrations.
He is trending toward books with few illustrations and I am really ok with that.I am not sure if that is a product of both me and my wife reading to him almost every night since he was old enough to do something more then drool and stair at us or not but I like to think it is.
I am also not sure if it is a product of very very little video based entertainment.
He gets no TV during the week and although he can have pretty much as much as he can stomach on the weekends he does end up doing more reading and Lego stuff.Please keep in mind that your mileage may be extremely different and my way is by no means the only or best way, it is simply the way I chose.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30019124</id>
	<title>The language is just as important as the story.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257614160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We think in the language we speak, if we allow our children to be further dumbed down, via a lack of exposure to language, even for language's sake, we're in trouble folks.</p><p>Simplified language = Simplified thought. I don't have a problem with comic books, but what kind of good parent would allow their child to escape actually reading something?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We think in the language we speak , if we allow our children to be further dumbed down , via a lack of exposure to language , even for language 's sake , we 're in trouble folks.Simplified language = Simplified thought .
I do n't have a problem with comic books , but what kind of good parent would allow their child to escape actually reading something ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We think in the language we speak, if we allow our children to be further dumbed down, via a lack of exposure to language, even for language's sake, we're in trouble folks.Simplified language = Simplified thought.
I don't have a problem with comic books, but what kind of good parent would allow their child to escape actually reading something?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30018978</id>
	<title>Me  not sure</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257612300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>this right.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>this right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this right.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30017166</id>
	<title>Interesting...</title>
	<author>Seakip18</author>
	<datestamp>1257592200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I always enjoyed reading the comics as a kid. I'd have to say Calvin and Hobbes was the best. Nothing like a big cardboard box being so many different things when left to your imagination.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I always enjoyed reading the comics as a kid .
I 'd have to say Calvin and Hobbes was the best .
Nothing like a big cardboard box being so many different things when left to your imagination .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I always enjoyed reading the comics as a kid.
I'd have to say Calvin and Hobbes was the best.
Nothing like a big cardboard box being so many different things when left to your imagination.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30017230</id>
	<title>comic books</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257592860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Mom doesn't understand comic books. She doesn't realize that comic books deal with serious issues of the day. Today's superheroes face tough moral dillemas. Comic books aren't just escapist fantasy. They're sophisticated social critiques.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mom does n't understand comic books .
She does n't realize that comic books deal with serious issues of the day .
Today 's superheroes face tough moral dillemas .
Comic books are n't just escapist fantasy .
They 're sophisticated social critiques .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mom doesn't understand comic books.
She doesn't realize that comic books deal with serious issues of the day.
Today's superheroes face tough moral dillemas.
Comic books aren't just escapist fantasy.
They're sophisticated social critiques.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30029166</id>
	<title>Re:Ha!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257705120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Farenheit 491, that is where comic books replaced "real" books when litterature was outlawed, wasn't it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Farenheit 491 , that is where comic books replaced " real " books when litterature was outlawed , was n't it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Farenheit 491, that is where comic books replaced "real" books when litterature was outlawed, wasn't it?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30017338</id>
	<title>Re:No doubt.</title>
	<author>OurLongBeachIsland</author>
	<datestamp>1257594240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I never really enjoyed reading comic books.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I never really enjoyed reading comic books .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I never really enjoyed reading comic books.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30019504</id>
	<title>Re:Ha!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257619860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was reading well when I was four years old, almost exclusively because I had my grandmother read comics to me. I got to know them well enough that I started correcting her when she made a mistake, so she quit and told me to read them myself. One evening at dinner I saw something in the newspaper and started reading it; Dad asked what I thought I was doing, and Mom said I was reading. Dad, said something along the lines of, show me how you read, thinking I could not. So I read it to him and it floored him; he didn't know. When I was five, I helped my six-year-old neighbor by reading to him from comics, and he went back to 2nd grade reading after leaving 1st grade unable to. The teachers were pretty surprised, especially when they found out why. So let your kid read comics or anything they can get ahold of short of playboy and the like. Start 'em out right...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was reading well when I was four years old , almost exclusively because I had my grandmother read comics to me .
I got to know them well enough that I started correcting her when she made a mistake , so she quit and told me to read them myself .
One evening at dinner I saw something in the newspaper and started reading it ; Dad asked what I thought I was doing , and Mom said I was reading .
Dad , said something along the lines of , show me how you read , thinking I could not .
So I read it to him and it floored him ; he did n't know .
When I was five , I helped my six-year-old neighbor by reading to him from comics , and he went back to 2nd grade reading after leaving 1st grade unable to .
The teachers were pretty surprised , especially when they found out why .
So let your kid read comics or anything they can get ahold of short of playboy and the like .
Start 'em out right.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was reading well when I was four years old, almost exclusively because I had my grandmother read comics to me.
I got to know them well enough that I started correcting her when she made a mistake, so she quit and told me to read them myself.
One evening at dinner I saw something in the newspaper and started reading it; Dad asked what I thought I was doing, and Mom said I was reading.
Dad, said something along the lines of, show me how you read, thinking I could not.
So I read it to him and it floored him; he didn't know.
When I was five, I helped my six-year-old neighbor by reading to him from comics, and he went back to 2nd grade reading after leaving 1st grade unable to.
The teachers were pretty surprised, especially when they found out why.
So let your kid read comics or anything they can get ahold of short of playboy and the like.
Start 'em out right...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30018242</id>
	<title>Better choices, perhaps...</title>
	<author>Estanislao Martínez</author>
	<datestamp>1257602760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's usually the case that in every country there is a classic comic strip or two that is very highly regarded, and which language learners would do very well to pick up and read, with the extra bonuses that (a) people won't look down on you for reading it, and (b) people often make references and allusions to the strips in question in everyday conversation.  For American English it's <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peanuts" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Peanuts</a> [wikipedia.org]; for Spanish it's <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafalda" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Mafalda</a> [wikipedia.org]; for French it's <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asterix" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Ast&#233;rix</a> [wikipedia.org].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's usually the case that in every country there is a classic comic strip or two that is very highly regarded , and which language learners would do very well to pick up and read , with the extra bonuses that ( a ) people wo n't look down on you for reading it , and ( b ) people often make references and allusions to the strips in question in everyday conversation .
For American English it 's Peanuts [ wikipedia.org ] ; for Spanish it 's Mafalda [ wikipedia.org ] ; for French it 's Ast   rix [ wikipedia.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's usually the case that in every country there is a classic comic strip or two that is very highly regarded, and which language learners would do very well to pick up and read, with the extra bonuses that (a) people won't look down on you for reading it, and (b) people often make references and allusions to the strips in question in everyday conversation.
For American English it's Peanuts [wikipedia.org]; for Spanish it's Mafalda [wikipedia.org]; for French it's Astérix [wikipedia.org].</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30017106</id>
	<title>Re:No doubt.</title>
	<author>heritage727</author>
	<datestamp>1257591660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There's an art to reading graphic novels, and knowing how to read them. To analyze the frames for relative action to the story and so on. I for one have never been as good at understanding comics as I have traditional literature.</p></div><p>I agree. My 13 year-old son can read a graphic novel and tell me the story in great detail. When I look at one of his books it's just a bunch of random explosions and women with bizarrely large breasts.</p></div>
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<tokenext>There 's an art to reading graphic novels , and knowing how to read them .
To analyze the frames for relative action to the story and so on .
I for one have never been as good at understanding comics as I have traditional literature.I agree .
My 13 year-old son can read a graphic novel and tell me the story in great detail .
When I look at one of his books it 's just a bunch of random explosions and women with bizarrely large breasts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's an art to reading graphic novels, and knowing how to read them.
To analyze the frames for relative action to the story and so on.
I for one have never been as good at understanding comics as I have traditional literature.I agree.
My 13 year-old son can read a graphic novel and tell me the story in great detail.
When I look at one of his books it's just a bunch of random explosions and women with bizarrely large breasts.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30020206</id>
	<title>Re:Also foreign language learning. . .</title>
	<author>PCM2</author>
	<datestamp>1257678180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, just beware of being that guy who takes Japanese language classes who obviously obsesses <i>way</i> too much over manga and anime. Everybody I know who has taken a class in that language says there are guys -- repeat that, <i>guys</i> -- in the class who show up on Day One calling everybody "Janice-chan" and whatever. Japanese language students can smell an otaku a mile away, and though those types often show up with some advance knowledge they're generally the equivalent of a boat anchor around the necks of students who want to learn the language the way it's actually spoken.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , just beware of being that guy who takes Japanese language classes who obviously obsesses way too much over manga and anime .
Everybody I know who has taken a class in that language says there are guys -- repeat that , guys -- in the class who show up on Day One calling everybody " Janice-chan " and whatever .
Japanese language students can smell an otaku a mile away , and though those types often show up with some advance knowledge they 're generally the equivalent of a boat anchor around the necks of students who want to learn the language the way it 's actually spoken .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, just beware of being that guy who takes Japanese language classes who obviously obsesses way too much over manga and anime.
Everybody I know who has taken a class in that language says there are guys -- repeat that, guys -- in the class who show up on Day One calling everybody "Janice-chan" and whatever.
Japanese language students can smell an otaku a mile away, and though those types often show up with some advance knowledge they're generally the equivalent of a boat anchor around the necks of students who want to learn the language the way it's actually spoken.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30020840</id>
	<title>Re:As long as we call them what they are</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257688860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, there's a technical classification:</p><p>Comic book; a single issue, usually about thirty pages, usually published serially, usually published monthly<br>Trade paperback (TPB); collections of previously published material, usually comprising six to eight issues of a title<br>Graphic novel (also Original Graphic Novel (OGN)); original material in the comics form, not published previously in serial format, usually designed to contain a single story.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , there 's a technical classification : Comic book ; a single issue , usually about thirty pages , usually published serially , usually published monthlyTrade paperback ( TPB ) ; collections of previously published material , usually comprising six to eight issues of a titleGraphic novel ( also Original Graphic Novel ( OGN ) ) ; original material in the comics form , not published previously in serial format , usually designed to contain a single story .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, there's a technical classification:Comic book; a single issue, usually about thirty pages, usually published serially, usually published monthlyTrade paperback (TPB); collections of previously published material, usually comprising six to eight issues of a titleGraphic novel (also Original Graphic Novel (OGN)); original material in the comics form, not published previously in serial format, usually designed to contain a single story.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30023726</id>
	<title>Re:Also foreign language learning. . .</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1257708000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Anyone who things that any form of reading cannot help just due to <b>it's</b> content is just being prejudicial against the material.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>You might try <a href="http://www.angryflower.com/itsits.gif" title="angryflower.com" rel="nofollow">this Bob the Angry Flower comic</a> [angryflower.com] sometime.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone who things that any form of reading can not help just due to it 's content is just being prejudicial against the material .
You might try this Bob the Angry Flower comic [ angryflower.com ] sometime .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone who things that any form of reading cannot help just due to it's content is just being prejudicial against the material.
You might try this Bob the Angry Flower comic [angryflower.com] sometime.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30020264</id>
	<title>Comics are both positive and important</title>
	<author>petrus4</author>
	<datestamp>1257679140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I unfortunately never experienced comics as a kid.  I remember being in a newsagent with my father at the age of four or five, and on seeing some comics there, asked my father about them.  Dad was fairly conservative, at the time at least, and his response was along the lines that they were full of weird, potentially Satanic stuff, and that he didn't want me reading them.  At the time of course, I was still sufficiently impressionable that my response was, "Yes, Dad," and for a long time, I never looked at them again.</p><p>Almost 20 years later, I had a friend who was a graphic artist, and who had been an avid reader of comics for most of his life.  Along with my own exposure to the Batman movies and the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles cartoons, this friend managed to convey to me the creative benefits that comics can have for both their readers, and their artists.</p><p>As I think other people have said, comics are the contemporary form of cave painting, which essentially allows the continuation of one of a very small number of indigenous practices, within contemporary white society.</p><p>As with indigenous mythmaking, they allow for a culturally unique and relevant form of explanation/interpretation/processing of events going on around their authors and readers.  I thought the depiction of Lex Luthor becoming President within the Superman comics, during the presidency of George W. Bush, was a classic case in point.  I can remember reading that Clarke Kent was depicted as being particularly quiet and introspective during 9/11, as well, and was mentally wondering how large America's own responsibility for the event was.  These are cases where the authors and readers of comics, can express and analyse their genuine thoughts and feelings, in what may well be the only context where it is truly safe for them to do so.</p><p>I've also heard about Marvel producing comics about the old Norse pantheon, as well.  As a theist, and as someone who actually believes in the Aesir as a group of literally existing beings, (although I don't worship them, personally) I view these stories as being a scenario where contemporary people can be exposed to these deities, and appreciate the genuine benefits that can be had from such exposure, in a non-threatening and culturally relevant way.</p><p>In a society where atheism is becoming as prevalent as it is, within contemporary society, comics may, in the end, be the only chance of exposure to anything beyond the mundane that most people get.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I unfortunately never experienced comics as a kid .
I remember being in a newsagent with my father at the age of four or five , and on seeing some comics there , asked my father about them .
Dad was fairly conservative , at the time at least , and his response was along the lines that they were full of weird , potentially Satanic stuff , and that he did n't want me reading them .
At the time of course , I was still sufficiently impressionable that my response was , " Yes , Dad , " and for a long time , I never looked at them again.Almost 20 years later , I had a friend who was a graphic artist , and who had been an avid reader of comics for most of his life .
Along with my own exposure to the Batman movies and the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles cartoons , this friend managed to convey to me the creative benefits that comics can have for both their readers , and their artists.As I think other people have said , comics are the contemporary form of cave painting , which essentially allows the continuation of one of a very small number of indigenous practices , within contemporary white society.As with indigenous mythmaking , they allow for a culturally unique and relevant form of explanation/interpretation/processing of events going on around their authors and readers .
I thought the depiction of Lex Luthor becoming President within the Superman comics , during the presidency of George W. Bush , was a classic case in point .
I can remember reading that Clarke Kent was depicted as being particularly quiet and introspective during 9/11 , as well , and was mentally wondering how large America 's own responsibility for the event was .
These are cases where the authors and readers of comics , can express and analyse their genuine thoughts and feelings , in what may well be the only context where it is truly safe for them to do so.I 've also heard about Marvel producing comics about the old Norse pantheon , as well .
As a theist , and as someone who actually believes in the Aesir as a group of literally existing beings , ( although I do n't worship them , personally ) I view these stories as being a scenario where contemporary people can be exposed to these deities , and appreciate the genuine benefits that can be had from such exposure , in a non-threatening and culturally relevant way.In a society where atheism is becoming as prevalent as it is , within contemporary society , comics may , in the end , be the only chance of exposure to anything beyond the mundane that most people get .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I unfortunately never experienced comics as a kid.
I remember being in a newsagent with my father at the age of four or five, and on seeing some comics there, asked my father about them.
Dad was fairly conservative, at the time at least, and his response was along the lines that they were full of weird, potentially Satanic stuff, and that he didn't want me reading them.
At the time of course, I was still sufficiently impressionable that my response was, "Yes, Dad," and for a long time, I never looked at them again.Almost 20 years later, I had a friend who was a graphic artist, and who had been an avid reader of comics for most of his life.
Along with my own exposure to the Batman movies and the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles cartoons, this friend managed to convey to me the creative benefits that comics can have for both their readers, and their artists.As I think other people have said, comics are the contemporary form of cave painting, which essentially allows the continuation of one of a very small number of indigenous practices, within contemporary white society.As with indigenous mythmaking, they allow for a culturally unique and relevant form of explanation/interpretation/processing of events going on around their authors and readers.
I thought the depiction of Lex Luthor becoming President within the Superman comics, during the presidency of George W. Bush, was a classic case in point.
I can remember reading that Clarke Kent was depicted as being particularly quiet and introspective during 9/11, as well, and was mentally wondering how large America's own responsibility for the event was.
These are cases where the authors and readers of comics, can express and analyse their genuine thoughts and feelings, in what may well be the only context where it is truly safe for them to do so.I've also heard about Marvel producing comics about the old Norse pantheon, as well.
As a theist, and as someone who actually believes in the Aesir as a group of literally existing beings, (although I don't worship them, personally) I view these stories as being a scenario where contemporary people can be exposed to these deities, and appreciate the genuine benefits that can be had from such exposure, in a non-threatening and culturally relevant way.In a society where atheism is becoming as prevalent as it is, within contemporary society, comics may, in the end, be the only chance of exposure to anything beyond the mundane that most people get.</sentencetext>
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	<title>How I learned English:</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1257680820000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>From the base of what I learned at school, which was really pretty useless, this helped me to get to my current fluent level:<br>- Slashdot! (No shit! This was an essential part. )<br>- The Daily Show<br>- US TV shows like Scrubs, Galactica, Prison Break, etc.<br>- Other pages on the net that were in English only.<br>I only used a (online) dictionary, when I could not understand it from the context.</p><p>The result is, that I got a style that is closer to the native style, but sometimes have trouble translating words back in to my own language.</p><p>Oh well, the only thing better, was growing up in a country, where you have to know 3 languages to get though daily life: Luxemburg. Where 30\% speak french only (e.g. all the immigrant workers. No burger without French.), you learn German from the 1st class on (well, with a thick accent ^^), and speak Luxemburgish at home. (Luxemburgish. A language that has two words for nearly every thing. One french with a Luxemburgish ending, and one German with a Luxemburgish ending. Then a nice load of Anglicisms. And of course the native Luxemburgish words. The freedom of expression is really great, if you can use it.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From the base of what I learned at school , which was really pretty useless , this helped me to get to my current fluent level : - Slashdot !
( No shit !
This was an essential part .
) - The Daily Show- US TV shows like Scrubs , Galactica , Prison Break , etc.- Other pages on the net that were in English only.I only used a ( online ) dictionary , when I could not understand it from the context.The result is , that I got a style that is closer to the native style , but sometimes have trouble translating words back in to my own language.Oh well , the only thing better , was growing up in a country , where you have to know 3 languages to get though daily life : Luxemburg .
Where 30 \ % speak french only ( e.g .
all the immigrant workers .
No burger without French .
) , you learn German from the 1st class on ( well , with a thick accent ^ ^ ) , and speak Luxemburgish at home .
( Luxemburgish. A language that has two words for nearly every thing .
One french with a Luxemburgish ending , and one German with a Luxemburgish ending .
Then a nice load of Anglicisms .
And of course the native Luxemburgish words .
The freedom of expression is really great , if you can use it .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the base of what I learned at school, which was really pretty useless, this helped me to get to my current fluent level:- Slashdot!
(No shit!
This was an essential part.
)- The Daily Show- US TV shows like Scrubs, Galactica, Prison Break, etc.- Other pages on the net that were in English only.I only used a (online) dictionary, when I could not understand it from the context.The result is, that I got a style that is closer to the native style, but sometimes have trouble translating words back in to my own language.Oh well, the only thing better, was growing up in a country, where you have to know 3 languages to get though daily life: Luxemburg.
Where 30\% speak french only (e.g.
all the immigrant workers.
No burger without French.
), you learn German from the 1st class on (well, with a thick accent ^^), and speak Luxemburgish at home.
(Luxemburgish. A language that has two words for nearly every thing.
One french with a Luxemburgish ending, and one German with a Luxemburgish ending.
Then a nice load of Anglicisms.
And of course the native Luxemburgish words.
The freedom of expression is really great, if you can use it.
)</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Also foreign language learning. . .</title>
	<author>Hognoxious</author>
	<datestamp>1257685860000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I owe my fluency in French to Asterix - started back in 1965 while studying for A Level French, and never looked back.</p></div></blockquote><p>Asterix is aimed at small children.  You should be well beyond that by the time you even start A level.  Especially back then when you weren't guaranteed a minimum C grade for spelling your name right.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I owe my fluency in French to Asterix - started back in 1965 while studying for A Level French , and never looked back.Asterix is aimed at small children .
You should be well beyond that by the time you even start A level .
Especially back then when you were n't guaranteed a minimum C grade for spelling your name right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I owe my fluency in French to Asterix - started back in 1965 while studying for A Level French, and never looked back.Asterix is aimed at small children.
You should be well beyond that by the time you even start A level.
Especially back then when you weren't guaranteed a minimum C grade for spelling your name right.
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	<title>Re:No doubt.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257675360000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Also didn't need Mexicans to mow lawn or cart trash...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Also did n't need Mexicans to mow lawn or cart trash.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also didn't need Mexicans to mow lawn or cart trash...</sentencetext>
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	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257605760000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I remember reading Spiderman and Batman before I started kindergarten. I have said this for years, young boys will read more if they are excited about what they read. By the time I was seven I had quite a collection, and spent lots of time taking it in. I then went into the Fantasy of Lord of the Rings and C.S. Lewis' Chronicles of Narnia before I was 10 and on to Conan Mags and Heavy Metal and a thousand Novels and Books since. I don't believe i would be as avid a reader as I am now if it had not been for Comic Books.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I remember reading Spiderman and Batman before I started kindergarten .
I have said this for years , young boys will read more if they are excited about what they read .
By the time I was seven I had quite a collection , and spent lots of time taking it in .
I then went into the Fantasy of Lord of the Rings and C.S .
Lewis ' Chronicles of Narnia before I was 10 and on to Conan Mags and Heavy Metal and a thousand Novels and Books since .
I do n't believe i would be as avid a reader as I am now if it had not been for Comic Books .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I remember reading Spiderman and Batman before I started kindergarten.
I have said this for years, young boys will read more if they are excited about what they read.
By the time I was seven I had quite a collection, and spent lots of time taking it in.
I then went into the Fantasy of Lord of the Rings and C.S.
Lewis' Chronicles of Narnia before I was 10 and on to Conan Mags and Heavy Metal and a thousand Novels and Books since.
I don't believe i would be as avid a reader as I am now if it had not been for Comic Books.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:No doubt.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257704520000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I learned to read from a comic book. Having a graphical explanations of "Aargh!" and "Ka-Voom!" certainly helps making sense of the letters, when you are illiterate (as most people are when they are four).<br>Having repeated the experience when learning Japanese at age 40, I found the cultural differences to be somewhat of a hindrance, but the graphical explanations in childrens comics really helpful (although I must confess, I learned spoken Japanese from the Miyazaki films first).<br>So I would not diss the concept, on the contrary, it worked for me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I learned to read from a comic book .
Having a graphical explanations of " Aargh !
" and " Ka-Voom !
" certainly helps making sense of the letters , when you are illiterate ( as most people are when they are four ) .Having repeated the experience when learning Japanese at age 40 , I found the cultural differences to be somewhat of a hindrance , but the graphical explanations in childrens comics really helpful ( although I must confess , I learned spoken Japanese from the Miyazaki films first ) .So I would not diss the concept , on the contrary , it worked for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I learned to read from a comic book.
Having a graphical explanations of "Aargh!
" and "Ka-Voom!
" certainly helps making sense of the letters, when you are illiterate (as most people are when they are four).Having repeated the experience when learning Japanese at age 40, I found the cultural differences to be somewhat of a hindrance, but the graphical explanations in childrens comics really helpful (although I must confess, I learned spoken Japanese from the Miyazaki films first).So I would not diss the concept, on the contrary, it worked for me.</sentencetext>
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	<title>On the balance of things....</title>
	<author>Lord\_of\_the\_nerf</author>
	<datestamp>1257683460000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>....comic book movie adaptations often reduce Early Childhood Literacy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>....comic book movie adaptations often reduce Early Childhood Literacy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>....comic book movie adaptations often reduce Early Childhood Literacy.</sentencetext>
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	<title>I learned to read from comics</title>
	<author>erik.martino</author>
	<datestamp>1257685080000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>I think comics are excellent literature to learn reading. When I was a child, I had a lot of Donald Duck comics, which are popular in Denmark. I read them over and over again. Little by little, I understood the text better, and by the time I started in school I was able to read.

Comics have the advantage that the text is guided by images, this means you can skip the parts that are too advanced for you and still get the overall story, and by repetition you can reduce the parts that you don't understand.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think comics are excellent literature to learn reading .
When I was a child , I had a lot of Donald Duck comics , which are popular in Denmark .
I read them over and over again .
Little by little , I understood the text better , and by the time I started in school I was able to read .
Comics have the advantage that the text is guided by images , this means you can skip the parts that are too advanced for you and still get the overall story , and by repetition you can reduce the parts that you do n't understand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think comics are excellent literature to learn reading.
When I was a child, I had a lot of Donald Duck comics, which are popular in Denmark.
I read them over and over again.
Little by little, I understood the text better, and by the time I started in school I was able to read.
Comics have the advantage that the text is guided by images, this means you can skip the parts that are too advanced for you and still get the overall story, and by repetition you can reduce the parts that you don't understand.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Uncle Scrooge and Nephews in the 50s</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257597120000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>I grew up in the 50s.  The proprietor of a general store near home let me read comics off the rack, which was very nice of him, even though I did buy a lot after reading them.  The best were the Uncle Scrooge and Donald Duck comics.  The ones I found out years and years later were written and drawn by Carl Barks.  That's where I learned about the 7 Cities of Cibola, Atlantis, King Solomon's Mines, The Philosopher's Stone, The Abominable Snowman.  As I got older I came to appreciate the complexity of the characters, with their flaws that constantly got them in trouble.  I've always felt they were more sophisticated than the superhero comics.  I came to figure out that the superheroes were always being misunderstood and that this was to target teenagers who presumably were always feeling like they were misunderstood.

Oh, in the 60s Mad Magazine was pretty damn good too.  I wish I still had the issue that talked about Macomber Bombey.  Bombey was a photographer who went out with all the intrepid explorers and photographed them.  But he never got any recognition himself.  Whenever I see something like "Globetrekker" on TV, with somebody like Ian Wright running along the beach in Morocco to the sea, that it's Macomber Bombey out there running along behind him wielding a camera.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I grew up in the 50s .
The proprietor of a general store near home let me read comics off the rack , which was very nice of him , even though I did buy a lot after reading them .
The best were the Uncle Scrooge and Donald Duck comics .
The ones I found out years and years later were written and drawn by Carl Barks .
That 's where I learned about the 7 Cities of Cibola , Atlantis , King Solomon 's Mines , The Philosopher 's Stone , The Abominable Snowman .
As I got older I came to appreciate the complexity of the characters , with their flaws that constantly got them in trouble .
I 've always felt they were more sophisticated than the superhero comics .
I came to figure out that the superheroes were always being misunderstood and that this was to target teenagers who presumably were always feeling like they were misunderstood .
Oh , in the 60s Mad Magazine was pretty damn good too .
I wish I still had the issue that talked about Macomber Bombey .
Bombey was a photographer who went out with all the intrepid explorers and photographed them .
But he never got any recognition himself .
Whenever I see something like " Globetrekker " on TV , with somebody like Ian Wright running along the beach in Morocco to the sea , that it 's Macomber Bombey out there running along behind him wielding a camera .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I grew up in the 50s.
The proprietor of a general store near home let me read comics off the rack, which was very nice of him, even though I did buy a lot after reading them.
The best were the Uncle Scrooge and Donald Duck comics.
The ones I found out years and years later were written and drawn by Carl Barks.
That's where I learned about the 7 Cities of Cibola, Atlantis, King Solomon's Mines, The Philosopher's Stone, The Abominable Snowman.
As I got older I came to appreciate the complexity of the characters, with their flaws that constantly got them in trouble.
I've always felt they were more sophisticated than the superhero comics.
I came to figure out that the superheroes were always being misunderstood and that this was to target teenagers who presumably were always feeling like they were misunderstood.
Oh, in the 60s Mad Magazine was pretty damn good too.
I wish I still had the issue that talked about Macomber Bombey.
Bombey was a photographer who went out with all the intrepid explorers and photographed them.
But he never got any recognition himself.
Whenever I see something like "Globetrekker" on TV, with somebody like Ian Wright running along the beach in Morocco to the sea, that it's Macomber Bombey out there running along behind him wielding a camera.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Ssshhh!  Keep it quiet!</title>
	<author>itsdapead</author>
	<datestamp>1257682560000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>...or they'll put comic books on the school curriculum, and no kid will ever want to read one again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...or they 'll put comic books on the school curriculum , and no kid will ever want to read one again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...or they'll put comic books on the school curriculum, and no kid will ever want to read one again.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Manga</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257621840000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>What can they do with Manga????</p><p>Create a society of post-modern, deconstructionist people who takes pride in creating subcultures to alienating people outside of their circles. A people who takes pride in ridiculing rather than building and constructing.</p><p>Luckily adults quickly out-grow these when they enter the job market and know that they have to do constructive stuffs to get food. However, there is still a troubling under-current of such "arts" people in Japan who simply do not want to study and be productive, and instead just makes fun of anything/everything relevant.</p><p>Yes. That's what you can do with Manga. (And I have not even touched on the thorny issue of "Dojin". Another day.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What can they do with Manga ? ? ?
? Create a society of post-modern , deconstructionist people who takes pride in creating subcultures to alienating people outside of their circles .
A people who takes pride in ridiculing rather than building and constructing.Luckily adults quickly out-grow these when they enter the job market and know that they have to do constructive stuffs to get food .
However , there is still a troubling under-current of such " arts " people in Japan who simply do not want to study and be productive , and instead just makes fun of anything/everything relevant.Yes .
That 's what you can do with Manga .
( And I have not even touched on the thorny issue of " Dojin " .
Another day .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What can they do with Manga???
?Create a society of post-modern, deconstructionist people who takes pride in creating subcultures to alienating people outside of their circles.
A people who takes pride in ridiculing rather than building and constructing.Luckily adults quickly out-grow these when they enter the job market and know that they have to do constructive stuffs to get food.
However, there is still a troubling under-current of such "arts" people in Japan who simply do not want to study and be productive, and instead just makes fun of anything/everything relevant.Yes.
That's what you can do with Manga.
(And I have not even touched on the thorny issue of "Dojin".
Another day.
)</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:No doubt.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257597540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The graphic novels of today revel in the pure colors and glossy paper. 50-60 years ago, when they went to press with the "dick tracy" palette and stipple shading, plotlines were somewhat less complicated (stories were pretty cut and dried, good vs. evil with no shades of gray) and relied more on the text than they did on the art. The writers were passing their mores to the next generation, building a society viewed patriotism without today's fashionable disdain, without the snarky remarks about nationalism and right-wing beliefs. It was better then.</p></div><p>Of course, you are forgetting that thanks to 'moral panics' about the content of comics, the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comics\_Code\_Authority" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Comic Code Authority</a> [wikipedia.org] censored all comics to remove storylines which were deemed 'perverted', where authority figures did anything wrong, or where good did not triumph over evil. It's less about the writers' mores and more to do with an industry responding to intense government pressure.</p><p>50-60 years ago most people alive remembered the Second World War and the urgent question was whether Communism was going to conquer the world. It's easy to look back at the comics and films of the time and think that this was an era with social harmony and happy families, and forget that mass-market media that questioned that view was not allowed.</p></div>
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<tokenext>The graphic novels of today revel in the pure colors and glossy paper .
50-60 years ago , when they went to press with the " dick tracy " palette and stipple shading , plotlines were somewhat less complicated ( stories were pretty cut and dried , good vs. evil with no shades of gray ) and relied more on the text than they did on the art .
The writers were passing their mores to the next generation , building a society viewed patriotism without today 's fashionable disdain , without the snarky remarks about nationalism and right-wing beliefs .
It was better then.Of course , you are forgetting that thanks to 'moral panics ' about the content of comics , the Comic Code Authority [ wikipedia.org ] censored all comics to remove storylines which were deemed 'perverted ' , where authority figures did anything wrong , or where good did not triumph over evil .
It 's less about the writers ' mores and more to do with an industry responding to intense government pressure.50-60 years ago most people alive remembered the Second World War and the urgent question was whether Communism was going to conquer the world .
It 's easy to look back at the comics and films of the time and think that this was an era with social harmony and happy families , and forget that mass-market media that questioned that view was not allowed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The graphic novels of today revel in the pure colors and glossy paper.
50-60 years ago, when they went to press with the "dick tracy" palette and stipple shading, plotlines were somewhat less complicated (stories were pretty cut and dried, good vs. evil with no shades of gray) and relied more on the text than they did on the art.
The writers were passing their mores to the next generation, building a society viewed patriotism without today's fashionable disdain, without the snarky remarks about nationalism and right-wing beliefs.
It was better then.Of course, you are forgetting that thanks to 'moral panics' about the content of comics, the Comic Code Authority [wikipedia.org] censored all comics to remove storylines which were deemed 'perverted', where authority figures did anything wrong, or where good did not triumph over evil.
It's less about the writers' mores and more to do with an industry responding to intense government pressure.50-60 years ago most people alive remembered the Second World War and the urgent question was whether Communism was going to conquer the world.
It's easy to look back at the comics and films of the time and think that this was an era with social harmony and happy families, and forget that mass-market media that questioned that view was not allowed.
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	<title>Not Buying It</title>
	<author>jonadab</author>
	<datestamp>1257601020000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>&gt; A lot of the criticism of comics and comic books come from people<br>&gt; who think that kids are just looking at the pictures and not putting<br>&gt; them together with the words,' says Tilley. 'But you could easily<br>&gt; make some of the same criticisms of picture books - that kids are<br>&gt; just looking at pictures, and not at the words.'<br><br>Umm, kids read picture books up through about Kindergarten, and yeah, they *are* basically just looking at the pictures and, hopefully, listening -- mom and dad are supposed to be reading to them at that point, obviously.<br><br>Kids who are old enough to actually *read*, however, tend to read books that are mostly or entirely text.  Charlotte's Web, Adventures of Tom Sawyer, The Hobbit, Voyage of the Dawn Treader, that sort of thing.  You know, actual books.  Did they compare the comic books to those?</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; A lot of the criticism of comics and comic books come from people &gt; who think that kids are just looking at the pictures and not putting &gt; them together with the words, ' says Tilley .
'But you could easily &gt; make some of the same criticisms of picture books - that kids are &gt; just looking at pictures , and not at the words .
'Umm , kids read picture books up through about Kindergarten , and yeah , they * are * basically just looking at the pictures and , hopefully , listening -- mom and dad are supposed to be reading to them at that point , obviously.Kids who are old enough to actually * read * , however , tend to read books that are mostly or entirely text .
Charlotte 's Web , Adventures of Tom Sawyer , The Hobbit , Voyage of the Dawn Treader , that sort of thing .
You know , actual books .
Did they compare the comic books to those ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; A lot of the criticism of comics and comic books come from people&gt; who think that kids are just looking at the pictures and not putting&gt; them together with the words,' says Tilley.
'But you could easily&gt; make some of the same criticisms of picture books - that kids are&gt; just looking at pictures, and not at the words.
'Umm, kids read picture books up through about Kindergarten, and yeah, they *are* basically just looking at the pictures and, hopefully, listening -- mom and dad are supposed to be reading to them at that point, obviously.Kids who are old enough to actually *read*, however, tend to read books that are mostly or entirely text.
Charlotte's Web, Adventures of Tom Sawyer, The Hobbit, Voyage of the Dawn Treader, that sort of thing.
You know, actual books.
Did they compare the comic books to those?</sentencetext>
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	<title>Immigrants</title>
	<author>jnork</author>
	<datestamp>1257615780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My wife's parents came to the US after the war (Holocaust survivors). They learned a great deal of their English by reading comic books.</p><p>Can't say about her father's grasp of English (he's dead) but her mother's is pretty good.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My wife 's parents came to the US after the war ( Holocaust survivors ) .
They learned a great deal of their English by reading comic books.Ca n't say about her father 's grasp of English ( he 's dead ) but her mother 's is pretty good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My wife's parents came to the US after the war (Holocaust survivors).
They learned a great deal of their English by reading comic books.Can't say about her father's grasp of English (he's dead) but her mother's is pretty good.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30017236</id>
	<title>Re:No doubt.</title>
	<author>TrentTheThief</author>
	<datestamp>1257592920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Had you started reading comics when you could buy them for five cents, you'd have had an easier time making sense of the story and not needed to worry about the graphics stealing your concentration. The artwork then, compared to that found in comics today could only be called primitive. This is not to say that the artists were unskilled, but rather that the medium was still, for all its color, only in its late infancy.</p><p>The graphic novels of today revel in the pure colors and glossy paper. 50-60 years ago, when they went to press with the "dick tracy" palette and stipple shading, plotlines were somewhat less complicated (stories were pretty cut and dried, good vs. evil with no shades of gray) and relied more on the text than they did on the art. The writers were passing their mores to the next generation, building a society viewed patriotism without today's fashionable disdain, without the snarky remarks about nationalism and right-wing beliefs. It was better then.</p><p>I learned to read paying a nickle a comic. I learned the 5x, 10x, and 12x multiplication tables figuring out how many comics I could get according to how many lawns or loads of trash I carted out of neighbor's basements to the alley. Yeah, times were good when I could pay a nickle for a good comic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Had you started reading comics when you could buy them for five cents , you 'd have had an easier time making sense of the story and not needed to worry about the graphics stealing your concentration .
The artwork then , compared to that found in comics today could only be called primitive .
This is not to say that the artists were unskilled , but rather that the medium was still , for all its color , only in its late infancy.The graphic novels of today revel in the pure colors and glossy paper .
50-60 years ago , when they went to press with the " dick tracy " palette and stipple shading , plotlines were somewhat less complicated ( stories were pretty cut and dried , good vs. evil with no shades of gray ) and relied more on the text than they did on the art .
The writers were passing their mores to the next generation , building a society viewed patriotism without today 's fashionable disdain , without the snarky remarks about nationalism and right-wing beliefs .
It was better then.I learned to read paying a nickle a comic .
I learned the 5x , 10x , and 12x multiplication tables figuring out how many comics I could get according to how many lawns or loads of trash I carted out of neighbor 's basements to the alley .
Yeah , times were good when I could pay a nickle for a good comic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Had you started reading comics when you could buy them for five cents, you'd have had an easier time making sense of the story and not needed to worry about the graphics stealing your concentration.
The artwork then, compared to that found in comics today could only be called primitive.
This is not to say that the artists were unskilled, but rather that the medium was still, for all its color, only in its late infancy.The graphic novels of today revel in the pure colors and glossy paper.
50-60 years ago, when they went to press with the "dick tracy" palette and stipple shading, plotlines were somewhat less complicated (stories were pretty cut and dried, good vs. evil with no shades of gray) and relied more on the text than they did on the art.
The writers were passing their mores to the next generation, building a society viewed patriotism without today's fashionable disdain, without the snarky remarks about nationalism and right-wing beliefs.
It was better then.I learned to read paying a nickle a comic.
I learned the 5x, 10x, and 12x multiplication tables figuring out how many comics I could get according to how many lawns or loads of trash I carted out of neighbor's basements to the alley.
Yeah, times were good when I could pay a nickle for a good comic.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30018052</id>
	<title>Re:Ha!</title>
	<author>tverbeek</author>
	<datestamp>1257600780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Show me a 10-year-old who knows the meaning of <i>"invulnerable"</i>, and I'll show you a kid who reads comics.</p><p>I learned to read before I started school, well enough that they put me in a 1st-grade class for reading when I was supposed to be in kindergarten.  I was also a fan of comic books and comic strips.  Not a coincidence.  Reading comics engages both the linguistic left side of the brain and the spatial right side of the brain.  What could be a better way of learning?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Show me a 10-year-old who knows the meaning of " invulnerable " , and I 'll show you a kid who reads comics.I learned to read before I started school , well enough that they put me in a 1st-grade class for reading when I was supposed to be in kindergarten .
I was also a fan of comic books and comic strips .
Not a coincidence .
Reading comics engages both the linguistic left side of the brain and the spatial right side of the brain .
What could be a better way of learning ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Show me a 10-year-old who knows the meaning of "invulnerable", and I'll show you a kid who reads comics.I learned to read before I started school, well enough that they put me in a 1st-grade class for reading when I was supposed to be in kindergarten.
I was also a fan of comic books and comic strips.
Not a coincidence.
Reading comics engages both the linguistic left side of the brain and the spatial right side of the brain.
What could be a better way of learning?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30023232</id>
	<title>Please dad, one more page!</title>
	<author>bidule</author>
	<datestamp>1257704940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Over the summer before 1st grade, my son discovered some Yoko Tsuno lying around. He would beg us to read them to him. Now those are 30ish pages of serious story which take 20 minutes to go through, double that for reading aloud.</p><p>After 10 minutes of reading aloud, mom or dad had their quota. That forced him to deal with most of the story by himself. By the end of the summer, he could read it all with ease.</p><p>All this to say the image offers a context on which mom and dad's words are memorized. When you return to that image, you use the word shape to jolt your memory and use your memory to  read the bubble. And since the image often has very little to do with the text spoken, you really have to read some of it before you can remember the rest.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Over the summer before 1st grade , my son discovered some Yoko Tsuno lying around .
He would beg us to read them to him .
Now those are 30ish pages of serious story which take 20 minutes to go through , double that for reading aloud.After 10 minutes of reading aloud , mom or dad had their quota .
That forced him to deal with most of the story by himself .
By the end of the summer , he could read it all with ease.All this to say the image offers a context on which mom and dad 's words are memorized .
When you return to that image , you use the word shape to jolt your memory and use your memory to read the bubble .
And since the image often has very little to do with the text spoken , you really have to read some of it before you can remember the rest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Over the summer before 1st grade, my son discovered some Yoko Tsuno lying around.
He would beg us to read them to him.
Now those are 30ish pages of serious story which take 20 minutes to go through, double that for reading aloud.After 10 minutes of reading aloud, mom or dad had their quota.
That forced him to deal with most of the story by himself.
By the end of the summer, he could read it all with ease.All this to say the image offers a context on which mom and dad's words are memorized.
When you return to that image, you use the word shape to jolt your memory and use your memory to  read the bubble.
And since the image often has very little to do with the text spoken, you really have to read some of it before you can remember the rest.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30018928</id>
	<title>Re:No doubt.</title>
	<author>Antique Geekmeister</author>
	<datestamp>1257611760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh, dear. You never read various of the underground comics, did you? From the "Jack Chick" tracts to the "Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers" to "The Spirit", many cartoons have been educational and politically non-standard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , dear .
You never read various of the underground comics , did you ?
From the " Jack Chick " tracts to the " Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers " to " The Spirit " , many cartoons have been educational and politically non-standard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, dear.
You never read various of the underground comics, did you?
From the "Jack Chick" tracts to the "Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers" to "The Spirit", many cartoons have been educational and politically non-standard.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30018606</id>
	<title>From the Annals of Obvious Research</title>
	<author>AdamInParadise</author>
	<datestamp>1257607020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The fact that reading comics promotes litteracy is pretty obvious to anyone living anywhere with a strong "comic book" culture such as Japan, South Korea or French-speaking countries. The problem is that most US comic books are not very good, and the good ones are not targeted as kids (mostly).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The fact that reading comics promotes litteracy is pretty obvious to anyone living anywhere with a strong " comic book " culture such as Japan , South Korea or French-speaking countries .
The problem is that most US comic books are not very good , and the good ones are not targeted as kids ( mostly ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fact that reading comics promotes litteracy is pretty obvious to anyone living anywhere with a strong "comic book" culture such as Japan, South Korea or French-speaking countries.
The problem is that most US comic books are not very good, and the good ones are not targeted as kids (mostly).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30017024</id>
	<title>No doubt.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257590940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's an art to reading graphic novels, and knowing how to read them. To analyze the frames for relative action to the story and so on. I for one have never been as good at understanding comics as I have traditional literature.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's an art to reading graphic novels , and knowing how to read them .
To analyze the frames for relative action to the story and so on .
I for one have never been as good at understanding comics as I have traditional literature .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's an art to reading graphic novels, and knowing how to read them.
To analyze the frames for relative action to the story and so on.
I for one have never been as good at understanding comics as I have traditional literature.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30017250</id>
	<title>Gateway to literature AND art</title>
	<author>SuperKendall</author>
	<datestamp>1257593100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Comic books are a great gateway drug to more serious reading.   If a kid gets interested in story and plot then they will continue that interest in other reading materials... but at the same time, comics can help instill an appreciation of graphic arts in a way they might not have otherwise.  It's a twofer!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Comic books are a great gateway drug to more serious reading .
If a kid gets interested in story and plot then they will continue that interest in other reading materials... but at the same time , comics can help instill an appreciation of graphic arts in a way they might not have otherwise .
It 's a twofer !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Comic books are a great gateway drug to more serious reading.
If a kid gets interested in story and plot then they will continue that interest in other reading materials... but at the same time, comics can help instill an appreciation of graphic arts in a way they might not have otherwise.
It's a twofer!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30020310</id>
	<title>Reading comix</title>
	<author>Richard Kirk</author>
	<datestamp>1257679740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
There is a lot of poor comic stuff out there. It is an undervalued medium, so the people who do it tend to be a bit off-beat. You get a lot of strange stuff, a lot of experimental stuff, a lot of actually not very good stuff. A lot of web comics are done by people who are developing their style while holding down other jobs. But there are gems. If we have a good peer group that reads comics and appreciates them; and comic book artists just become 'artists', then one day we may get immortal works to sit alongside the great literature on our shelves, if there are still shelves and books. Right now, it is still a bit rough, but they are getting there.
</p><p>
For me, a great comic book will have a depth and a degree of interconnection that it is hard to reproduce with a linear stream of text. It is a bit more like reading an orchestral music score, where you have many time-lines at once. If you find yourself flicking back a page or two to find out who the person in the flat hat is, this is the right way of reading a good comic. If you notice something in the background, and have a nagging feeling you saw something like that before, but didn't take it in at the time, then the authors are playing you like a fish. If you zoom through the thing in ten minutes, then either the thing has no depth, or you've missed it. It is so easy to go too quick, but you have to pace yourself.
</p><p>
There is also a lot of art in how the scene is framed. You may see the people in silhouette, or you may see them drawn is classic cartoon outlines. Is the artist trying to get you into the scene with the protagonists, or giving you a disinterested view from above? What's in the speach bubble, and how are they saying it? There are may different forms of speech bubble to hint at whispering, shouting, voice over telephone, emotional strain and so forth. Somewhere, there is a web site that listed the different Marvel Comics speech balloons: you might be surprised how subtle and nuanced the language of the speech balloon is.
</p><p>
Where to start? Everyone will have their favorites. However, for an all-round holistic experience, I would personally recommend the original 'V', with its crude coloring and cheap-looking paper: it is a much more gritty and awful than the film. For classics, look at Tin Tin and Steve Canyon. Search for webcomics. Dark Horse publishing has a site which gives a section of various books, which is an excellent introduction to the variation in styles.
</p><p>
BTW: I mostly read regular books. Good graphic novels cost too much, and they are gone too fast. But it is a fine and open-ended medium. Have a look at the best. If you can't like it, no big deal: I can't take classical ballet, but others do. Enjoy!
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a lot of poor comic stuff out there .
It is an undervalued medium , so the people who do it tend to be a bit off-beat .
You get a lot of strange stuff , a lot of experimental stuff , a lot of actually not very good stuff .
A lot of web comics are done by people who are developing their style while holding down other jobs .
But there are gems .
If we have a good peer group that reads comics and appreciates them ; and comic book artists just become 'artists ' , then one day we may get immortal works to sit alongside the great literature on our shelves , if there are still shelves and books .
Right now , it is still a bit rough , but they are getting there .
For me , a great comic book will have a depth and a degree of interconnection that it is hard to reproduce with a linear stream of text .
It is a bit more like reading an orchestral music score , where you have many time-lines at once .
If you find yourself flicking back a page or two to find out who the person in the flat hat is , this is the right way of reading a good comic .
If you notice something in the background , and have a nagging feeling you saw something like that before , but did n't take it in at the time , then the authors are playing you like a fish .
If you zoom through the thing in ten minutes , then either the thing has no depth , or you 've missed it .
It is so easy to go too quick , but you have to pace yourself .
There is also a lot of art in how the scene is framed .
You may see the people in silhouette , or you may see them drawn is classic cartoon outlines .
Is the artist trying to get you into the scene with the protagonists , or giving you a disinterested view from above ?
What 's in the speach bubble , and how are they saying it ?
There are may different forms of speech bubble to hint at whispering , shouting , voice over telephone , emotional strain and so forth .
Somewhere , there is a web site that listed the different Marvel Comics speech balloons : you might be surprised how subtle and nuanced the language of the speech balloon is .
Where to start ?
Everyone will have their favorites .
However , for an all-round holistic experience , I would personally recommend the original 'V ' , with its crude coloring and cheap-looking paper : it is a much more gritty and awful than the film .
For classics , look at Tin Tin and Steve Canyon .
Search for webcomics .
Dark Horse publishing has a site which gives a section of various books , which is an excellent introduction to the variation in styles .
BTW : I mostly read regular books .
Good graphic novels cost too much , and they are gone too fast .
But it is a fine and open-ended medium .
Have a look at the best .
If you ca n't like it , no big deal : I ca n't take classical ballet , but others do .
Enjoy !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
There is a lot of poor comic stuff out there.
It is an undervalued medium, so the people who do it tend to be a bit off-beat.
You get a lot of strange stuff, a lot of experimental stuff, a lot of actually not very good stuff.
A lot of web comics are done by people who are developing their style while holding down other jobs.
But there are gems.
If we have a good peer group that reads comics and appreciates them; and comic book artists just become 'artists', then one day we may get immortal works to sit alongside the great literature on our shelves, if there are still shelves and books.
Right now, it is still a bit rough, but they are getting there.
For me, a great comic book will have a depth and a degree of interconnection that it is hard to reproduce with a linear stream of text.
It is a bit more like reading an orchestral music score, where you have many time-lines at once.
If you find yourself flicking back a page or two to find out who the person in the flat hat is, this is the right way of reading a good comic.
If you notice something in the background, and have a nagging feeling you saw something like that before, but didn't take it in at the time, then the authors are playing you like a fish.
If you zoom through the thing in ten minutes, then either the thing has no depth, or you've missed it.
It is so easy to go too quick, but you have to pace yourself.
There is also a lot of art in how the scene is framed.
You may see the people in silhouette, or you may see them drawn is classic cartoon outlines.
Is the artist trying to get you into the scene with the protagonists, or giving you a disinterested view from above?
What's in the speach bubble, and how are they saying it?
There are may different forms of speech bubble to hint at whispering, shouting, voice over telephone, emotional strain and so forth.
Somewhere, there is a web site that listed the different Marvel Comics speech balloons: you might be surprised how subtle and nuanced the language of the speech balloon is.
Where to start?
Everyone will have their favorites.
However, for an all-round holistic experience, I would personally recommend the original 'V', with its crude coloring and cheap-looking paper: it is a much more gritty and awful than the film.
For classics, look at Tin Tin and Steve Canyon.
Search for webcomics.
Dark Horse publishing has a site which gives a section of various books, which is an excellent introduction to the variation in styles.
BTW: I mostly read regular books.
Good graphic novels cost too much, and they are gone too fast.
But it is a fine and open-ended medium.
Have a look at the best.
If you can't like it, no big deal: I can't take classical ballet, but others do.
Enjoy!
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30018126</id>
	<title>Supervillain Vocabulary</title>
	<author>Culture20</author>
	<datestamp>1257601560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In my high school etymology class, we were given bonus points for finding in print examples of the obscure words we learned in class.  I found the most by focusing on comic books.  Supervillain vocabulary is replete with big words.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In my high school etymology class , we were given bonus points for finding in print examples of the obscure words we learned in class .
I found the most by focusing on comic books .
Supervillain vocabulary is replete with big words .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In my high school etymology class, we were given bonus points for finding in print examples of the obscure words we learned in class.
I found the most by focusing on comic books.
Supervillain vocabulary is replete with big words.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30017064</id>
	<title>What's the difference</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257591360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Q: What's the difference between a comic and a graphic novel?</p><p>A: About twenty quid.</p><p>[kadradabumTISH!]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Q : What 's the difference between a comic and a graphic novel ? A : About twenty quid. [ kadradabumTISH !
]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Q: What's the difference between a comic and a graphic novel?A: About twenty quid.[kadradabumTISH!
]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30017136</id>
	<title>In Other News....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257591960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Professor in a literature-related field states that his pet favorite genre is just as sophisticated as any other type of literature.</p><p>Seriously, is this really necessary on Slashdot?  Do the hundreds of science fiction studies professors who loudly proclaim that sci-fi is just as valid a genre as any other get posts on Slashdot too?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Professor in a literature-related field states that his pet favorite genre is just as sophisticated as any other type of literature.Seriously , is this really necessary on Slashdot ?
Do the hundreds of science fiction studies professors who loudly proclaim that sci-fi is just as valid a genre as any other get posts on Slashdot too ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Professor in a literature-related field states that his pet favorite genre is just as sophisticated as any other type of literature.Seriously, is this really necessary on Slashdot?
Do the hundreds of science fiction studies professors who loudly proclaim that sci-fi is just as valid a genre as any other get posts on Slashdot too?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30018102</id>
	<title>Medium, not genre</title>
	<author>tverbeek</author>
	<datestamp>1257601320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Comics are not a genre.</p><p>Westerns, science fiction, romance, mystery, autobiography, war, superheroes, etc. are genres.</p><p>Comics are a medium - like films, prose, poetry, songs, or plays - one capable of telling stories in any genre.  The problem is that the mediums of comix is so closely associated in our current culture with funny-animal stories for children and superhero stories for adolescents, that people don't realise what the medium is really capable of, especially its ability to be sophisticated enough to engage intelligent adults.  But name any popular genre, and I can name a comic book series or graphic novel that tells a story in that genre.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Comics are not a genre.Westerns , science fiction , romance , mystery , autobiography , war , superheroes , etc .
are genres.Comics are a medium - like films , prose , poetry , songs , or plays - one capable of telling stories in any genre .
The problem is that the mediums of comix is so closely associated in our current culture with funny-animal stories for children and superhero stories for adolescents , that people do n't realise what the medium is really capable of , especially its ability to be sophisticated enough to engage intelligent adults .
But name any popular genre , and I can name a comic book series or graphic novel that tells a story in that genre .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Comics are not a genre.Westerns, science fiction, romance, mystery, autobiography, war, superheroes, etc.
are genres.Comics are a medium - like films, prose, poetry, songs, or plays - one capable of telling stories in any genre.
The problem is that the mediums of comix is so closely associated in our current culture with funny-animal stories for children and superhero stories for adolescents, that people don't realise what the medium is really capable of, especially its ability to be sophisticated enough to engage intelligent adults.
But name any popular genre, and I can name a comic book series or graphic novel that tells a story in that genre.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2145215.30018648</id>
	<title>This is why I give out Comic Books on Halloween</title>
	<author>JoshDM</author>
	<datestamp>1257607620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've done it for years and my parents have picked up the habit as well.  Here are some relevant links:</p><p><a href="http://www.aintitcool.com/node/30496#16" title="aintitcool.com">An Article About Giving out Comics</a> [aintitcool.com] </p><p><a href="http://www.comicspace.com/comics4halloween/" title="comicspace.com">Comics 4 Halloween</a> [comicspace.com] - A promotional movement.<br>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've done it for years and my parents have picked up the habit as well .
Here are some relevant links : An Article About Giving out Comics [ aintitcool.com ] Comics 4 Halloween [ comicspace.com ] - A promotional movement .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've done it for years and my parents have picked up the habit as well.
Here are some relevant links:An Article About Giving out Comics [aintitcool.com] Comics 4 Halloween [comicspace.com] - A promotional movement.
 </sentencetext>
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