<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_06_1616208</id>
	<title>AT&amp;T's City-By-City Plan To Up Wireless Coverage</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1257528180000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>alphadogg writes <i>"AT&amp;T has created <a href="http://www.networkworld.com/cgi-bin/mailto/x.cgi?pagetosend=/export/home/httpd/htdocs/news/2009/110609-att-profiles-specific-cities-in.html&amp;pagename=/news/2009/110609-att-profiles-specific-cities-in.html&amp;pageurl=http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/110609-att-profiles-specific-cities-in.html&amp;site=printpage">different mobile calling models for every major city</a> in America as it tries to improve a network that has come under fire for poor performance as the data-friendly iPhone has proliferated, an executive said Thursday. Other carriers just use one nationwide calling model to plan for all cities, claimed CTO John Donovan, speaking at the Open Mobile Summit conference in San Francisco. The nation's second-largest mobile operator has had a hard time planning for bandwidth needs in the rapidly changing mobile world, Donovan said. AT&amp;T has seen rapidly growing mobile data usage &mdash; and much criticism over its 3G coverage &mdash; as the exclusive iPhone carrier in the US. 'If a network is not fully loaded, it's hard to know exactly how much demand is out there,' Donovan said. 'You put all you can in the ground, and they eat it all up, and then you put more in there, and they eat it all up.'"</i> The story notes that mobile data at AT&amp;T has grown 4,932\% over the last 3 years.</htmltext>
<tokenext>alphadogg writes " AT&amp;T has created different mobile calling models for every major city in America as it tries to improve a network that has come under fire for poor performance as the data-friendly iPhone has proliferated , an executive said Thursday .
Other carriers just use one nationwide calling model to plan for all cities , claimed CTO John Donovan , speaking at the Open Mobile Summit conference in San Francisco .
The nation 's second-largest mobile operator has had a hard time planning for bandwidth needs in the rapidly changing mobile world , Donovan said .
AT&amp;T has seen rapidly growing mobile data usage    and much criticism over its 3G coverage    as the exclusive iPhone carrier in the US .
'If a network is not fully loaded , it 's hard to know exactly how much demand is out there, ' Donovan said .
'You put all you can in the ground , and they eat it all up , and then you put more in there , and they eat it all up .
' " The story notes that mobile data at AT&amp;T has grown 4,932 \ % over the last 3 years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>alphadogg writes "AT&amp;T has created different mobile calling models for every major city in America as it tries to improve a network that has come under fire for poor performance as the data-friendly iPhone has proliferated, an executive said Thursday.
Other carriers just use one nationwide calling model to plan for all cities, claimed CTO John Donovan, speaking at the Open Mobile Summit conference in San Francisco.
The nation's second-largest mobile operator has had a hard time planning for bandwidth needs in the rapidly changing mobile world, Donovan said.
AT&amp;T has seen rapidly growing mobile data usage — and much criticism over its 3G coverage — as the exclusive iPhone carrier in the US.
'If a network is not fully loaded, it's hard to know exactly how much demand is out there,' Donovan said.
'You put all you can in the ground, and they eat it all up, and then you put more in there, and they eat it all up.
'" The story notes that mobile data at AT&amp;T has grown 4,932\% over the last 3 years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30008438</id>
	<title>Pathetic</title>
	<author>the eric conspiracy</author>
	<datestamp>1257539700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What is truly pathetic is that the old AT&amp;T would have handled this without problem. The company the built the first non-blocking electronic switch (the 1ESS) in 1965 and invented Shannon's law is now sadly but a faint memory.</p><p>The only things left are a legacy of Nobel Prizes (<a href="http://harvestimaging.com/blog/?p=129" title="harvestimaging.com">still growing</a> [harvestimaging.com]) and water towers shaped like transistors.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What is truly pathetic is that the old AT&amp;T would have handled this without problem .
The company the built the first non-blocking electronic switch ( the 1ESS ) in 1965 and invented Shannon 's law is now sadly but a faint memory.The only things left are a legacy of Nobel Prizes ( still growing [ harvestimaging.com ] ) and water towers shaped like transistors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is truly pathetic is that the old AT&amp;T would have handled this without problem.
The company the built the first non-blocking electronic switch (the 1ESS) in 1965 and invented Shannon's law is now sadly but a faint memory.The only things left are a legacy of Nobel Prizes (still growing [harvestimaging.com]) and water towers shaped like transistors.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30008110</id>
	<title>Up Yours, AT&amp;T</title>
	<author>Doc Ruby</author>
	<datestamp>1257538200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I got an iPhone to up my wireless coverage, AT&amp;T. Now up yours.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I got an iPhone to up my wireless coverage , AT&amp;T .
Now up yours .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I got an iPhone to up my wireless coverage, AT&amp;T.
Now up yours.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30009736</id>
	<title>Re:What is peak of 4600\% average increase?</title>
	<author>Duhavid</author>
	<datestamp>1257502080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And I think what they other guy is saying is that the system was not always at peak load, and this *should not* be a surprise to them, they should have seen it coming, and reacted better and sooner.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And I think what they other guy is saying is that the system was not always at peak load , and this * should not * be a surprise to them , they should have seen it coming , and reacted better and sooner .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And I think what they other guy is saying is that the system was not always at peak load, and this *should not* be a surprise to them, they should have seen it coming, and reacted better and sooner.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007716</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007120</id>
	<title>Bullshit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257532260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"You put all you can in the ground, and they eat it all up, and then you put more in there, and they eat it all up"</p><p>This is the typical, in this case subtle (but in other cases not subtle) blaming of the consumer for overusing network resources beyond some mythical "reasonable/predictable" amount that service providers cling to in rationalizing their retarded infrastructure expansion plans.</p><p>News flash: your network and every other corporate network is at capacity already and you're overselling subscriptions. Don't add one tower and then complain that those data-hungry fiends are using the new bandwidth so quickly. Either think big and grow some balls about expanding your network, or quit complaining and admit that you've resigned to mediocrity.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" You put all you can in the ground , and they eat it all up , and then you put more in there , and they eat it all up " This is the typical , in this case subtle ( but in other cases not subtle ) blaming of the consumer for overusing network resources beyond some mythical " reasonable/predictable " amount that service providers cling to in rationalizing their retarded infrastructure expansion plans.News flash : your network and every other corporate network is at capacity already and you 're overselling subscriptions .
Do n't add one tower and then complain that those data-hungry fiends are using the new bandwidth so quickly .
Either think big and grow some balls about expanding your network , or quit complaining and admit that you 've resigned to mediocrity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"You put all you can in the ground, and they eat it all up, and then you put more in there, and they eat it all up"This is the typical, in this case subtle (but in other cases not subtle) blaming of the consumer for overusing network resources beyond some mythical "reasonable/predictable" amount that service providers cling to in rationalizing their retarded infrastructure expansion plans.News flash: your network and every other corporate network is at capacity already and you're overselling subscriptions.
Don't add one tower and then complain that those data-hungry fiends are using the new bandwidth so quickly.
Either think big and grow some balls about expanding your network, or quit complaining and admit that you've resigned to mediocrity.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007856</id>
	<title>Re:Shame on ATT for blaming anyone but themselves.</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1257536880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>This guy's quote is BS, if you as the owner of your traffic don't know how much demand there is either by system monitoring and/or usage patterns for specific type clients (with demograhaphics tagged along with it, because ATT sure as hell knows its clients profiles and/or can buy such data from 3rd parties) then they need to get out of the business.</i></p><p>No, what's he's saying is that since the network is already full to 100\% of capacity, it's impossible to tell how much more capacity they need in specific areas. Which is true; since every tower is 100\%, there's no place that's obviously worse than any other place. They have "capacity clipping", to coin a term.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This guy 's quote is BS , if you as the owner of your traffic do n't know how much demand there is either by system monitoring and/or usage patterns for specific type clients ( with demograhaphics tagged along with it , because ATT sure as hell knows its clients profiles and/or can buy such data from 3rd parties ) then they need to get out of the business.No , what 's he 's saying is that since the network is already full to 100 \ % of capacity , it 's impossible to tell how much more capacity they need in specific areas .
Which is true ; since every tower is 100 \ % , there 's no place that 's obviously worse than any other place .
They have " capacity clipping " , to coin a term .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This guy's quote is BS, if you as the owner of your traffic don't know how much demand there is either by system monitoring and/or usage patterns for specific type clients (with demograhaphics tagged along with it, because ATT sure as hell knows its clients profiles and/or can buy such data from 3rd parties) then they need to get out of the business.No, what's he's saying is that since the network is already full to 100\% of capacity, it's impossible to tell how much more capacity they need in specific areas.
Which is true; since every tower is 100\%, there's no place that's obviously worse than any other place.
They have "capacity clipping", to coin a term.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007370</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007404</id>
	<title>AT&amp;T's new marketing for this</title>
	<author>idontgno</author>
	<datestamp>1257534060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>"We've upped our 3G network coverage! So up yours!"</htmltext>
<tokenext>" We 've upped our 3G network coverage !
So up yours !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"We've upped our 3G network coverage!
So up yours!
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30009570</id>
	<title>Re:Bullshit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257501240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That was an analogy, not a metaphor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That was an analogy , not a metaphor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That was an analogy, not a metaphor.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007568</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007486</id>
	<title>Re:4932\% Growth - Imagine That</title>
	<author>jeffstar</author>
	<datestamp>1257534600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>"he story notes that mobile data at AT&amp;T has grown 4,932\% over the last 3 years."</i></p><p>3 years ago mobile data traffic was probably nearly zero, so putting this in relative terms means nothing to me.</p><p>I wonder how much traffic their feeble network is actually dealing with? Imagine it was only 100 MB/s off each cell site and they are whinging like this...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" he story notes that mobile data at AT&amp;T has grown 4,932 \ % over the last 3 years .
" 3 years ago mobile data traffic was probably nearly zero , so putting this in relative terms means nothing to me.I wonder how much traffic their feeble network is actually dealing with ?
Imagine it was only 100 MB/s off each cell site and they are whinging like this.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"he story notes that mobile data at AT&amp;T has grown 4,932\% over the last 3 years.
"3 years ago mobile data traffic was probably nearly zero, so putting this in relative terms means nothing to me.I wonder how much traffic their feeble network is actually dealing with?
Imagine it was only 100 MB/s off each cell site and they are whinging like this...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007068</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30008748</id>
	<title>The Deal With Apple *Can't* Be The Issue</title>
	<author>weston</author>
	<datestamp>1257541020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>And if they didnt sign the exclusive deal with Apple, what do you think that growth would have been?</i></p><p>Given the common wisdom that the iPhone isn't actually useful -- it's basically a shiny fashion accessory, right? -- one ought to be skeptical that the deal with Apple has anything to do with increased data usage.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And if they didnt sign the exclusive deal with Apple , what do you think that growth would have been ? Given the common wisdom that the iPhone is n't actually useful -- it 's basically a shiny fashion accessory , right ?
-- one ought to be skeptical that the deal with Apple has anything to do with increased data usage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And if they didnt sign the exclusive deal with Apple, what do you think that growth would have been?Given the common wisdom that the iPhone isn't actually useful -- it's basically a shiny fashion accessory, right?
-- one ought to be skeptical that the deal with Apple has anything to do with increased data usage.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007068</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30008530</id>
	<title>Re:Not a network admin, is he?</title>
	<author>Ilgaz</author>
	<datestamp>1257540180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sadly, he works for AT&amp;T who created the ultimate scalable state of art OS (and philosophy) UNIX. That AT&amp;T in 1970s were doing things like that and now they whine about something which even a basic home user these days have knowledge about. Even home users started to do bandwidth planning especially for contract based subscriptions. If guy only cares about Youtube, Mail, Web, he gets 1Mbit line instead of 4-8+ MBit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sadly , he works for AT&amp;T who created the ultimate scalable state of art OS ( and philosophy ) UNIX .
That AT&amp;T in 1970s were doing things like that and now they whine about something which even a basic home user these days have knowledge about .
Even home users started to do bandwidth planning especially for contract based subscriptions .
If guy only cares about Youtube , Mail , Web , he gets 1Mbit line instead of 4-8 + MBit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sadly, he works for AT&amp;T who created the ultimate scalable state of art OS (and philosophy) UNIX.
That AT&amp;T in 1970s were doing things like that and now they whine about something which even a basic home user these days have knowledge about.
Even home users started to do bandwidth planning especially for contract based subscriptions.
If guy only cares about Youtube, Mail, Web, he gets 1Mbit line instead of 4-8+ MBit.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007420</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007106</id>
	<title>Re:Umm, what?</title>
	<author>Idiomatick</author>
	<datestamp>1257532200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>!not</htmltext>
<tokenext>! not</tokentext>
<sentencetext>!not</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007064</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007368</id>
	<title>Hard to know demand?</title>
	<author>Reason58</author>
	<datestamp>1257533760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Take any area on Earth where you are not at max capacity and then model data usage per phone. Done. In what way is this difficult for a multi-national megacorp?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Take any area on Earth where you are not at max capacity and then model data usage per phone .
Done. In what way is this difficult for a multi-national megacorp ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Take any area on Earth where you are not at max capacity and then model data usage per phone.
Done. In what way is this difficult for a multi-national megacorp?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007426</id>
	<title>it's hard to know...</title>
	<author>nick357</author>
	<datestamp>1257534240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"If a network is not fully loaded, it's hard to know exactly how much demand is out there"</p><p>If only there was an app for that!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" If a network is not fully loaded , it 's hard to know exactly how much demand is out there " If only there was an app for that !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"If a network is not fully loaded, it's hard to know exactly how much demand is out there"If only there was an app for that!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30008394</id>
	<title>Re:Hard to know demand?</title>
	<author>curunir</author>
	<datestamp>1257539460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That would be all well and good, except that we're talking about <em>mobile</em> phones. Pretty much by design, they tend to move around a bit. So it may be easy to tell how much overall capacity you'll need on your network, but it's not as simple as arriving at that result and deploying that amount...you need to figure out the property capacity for each location covered by your network.</p><p>And because of this, if you want to have the capacity to handle all traffic on your network, you'll need more capacity than the total that will be used by users. For instance, you'll need a lot of capacity in the financial districts of cities that will be largely unused at night. Also, you'll need a ton of capacity at ballparks and stadiums that will be almost entirely unused when there's no event taking place. And what do you do when everyone goes home for the holidays? Airports will almost certainly have to have greater capacity to handle the onslaught of travelers and I'm pretty sure more people go back east for the holidays than go west, so you have to account for the increased network usage caused by that temporary migration.</p><p>And, worse yet, things are in a constant state of flux. Buildings get built that block the signal from a tower to a certain area. Every day new customers are signing up and old customers are leaving so the distribution in the location of subscribers can change. And the demographics of your customer base can change too. Imagine you're in charge of planning the roll out of AT&amp;T's towers and come into work one day to find that your company has signed an exclusive deal with a trendy hardware manufacturer to sell a phone which is really the first mainstream internet tablet even though it doubles as a phone. Suddenly the demands on your network have shifted significantly towards data from voice.</p><p>None of this is meant to suggest that a company the size of AT&amp;T shouldn't be able to solve the problem, but only that the problem is much more difficult than you make it out to be. When you think through the problem, there's a lot more variables than you're realizing. Companies with fewer resources than AT&amp;T solve harder problems all the time, so the fact that the problem is hard isn't an excuse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That would be all well and good , except that we 're talking about mobile phones .
Pretty much by design , they tend to move around a bit .
So it may be easy to tell how much overall capacity you 'll need on your network , but it 's not as simple as arriving at that result and deploying that amount...you need to figure out the property capacity for each location covered by your network.And because of this , if you want to have the capacity to handle all traffic on your network , you 'll need more capacity than the total that will be used by users .
For instance , you 'll need a lot of capacity in the financial districts of cities that will be largely unused at night .
Also , you 'll need a ton of capacity at ballparks and stadiums that will be almost entirely unused when there 's no event taking place .
And what do you do when everyone goes home for the holidays ?
Airports will almost certainly have to have greater capacity to handle the onslaught of travelers and I 'm pretty sure more people go back east for the holidays than go west , so you have to account for the increased network usage caused by that temporary migration.And , worse yet , things are in a constant state of flux .
Buildings get built that block the signal from a tower to a certain area .
Every day new customers are signing up and old customers are leaving so the distribution in the location of subscribers can change .
And the demographics of your customer base can change too .
Imagine you 're in charge of planning the roll out of AT&amp;T 's towers and come into work one day to find that your company has signed an exclusive deal with a trendy hardware manufacturer to sell a phone which is really the first mainstream internet tablet even though it doubles as a phone .
Suddenly the demands on your network have shifted significantly towards data from voice.None of this is meant to suggest that a company the size of AT&amp;T should n't be able to solve the problem , but only that the problem is much more difficult than you make it out to be .
When you think through the problem , there 's a lot more variables than you 're realizing .
Companies with fewer resources than AT&amp;T solve harder problems all the time , so the fact that the problem is hard is n't an excuse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That would be all well and good, except that we're talking about mobile phones.
Pretty much by design, they tend to move around a bit.
So it may be easy to tell how much overall capacity you'll need on your network, but it's not as simple as arriving at that result and deploying that amount...you need to figure out the property capacity for each location covered by your network.And because of this, if you want to have the capacity to handle all traffic on your network, you'll need more capacity than the total that will be used by users.
For instance, you'll need a lot of capacity in the financial districts of cities that will be largely unused at night.
Also, you'll need a ton of capacity at ballparks and stadiums that will be almost entirely unused when there's no event taking place.
And what do you do when everyone goes home for the holidays?
Airports will almost certainly have to have greater capacity to handle the onslaught of travelers and I'm pretty sure more people go back east for the holidays than go west, so you have to account for the increased network usage caused by that temporary migration.And, worse yet, things are in a constant state of flux.
Buildings get built that block the signal from a tower to a certain area.
Every day new customers are signing up and old customers are leaving so the distribution in the location of subscribers can change.
And the demographics of your customer base can change too.
Imagine you're in charge of planning the roll out of AT&amp;T's towers and come into work one day to find that your company has signed an exclusive deal with a trendy hardware manufacturer to sell a phone which is really the first mainstream internet tablet even though it doubles as a phone.
Suddenly the demands on your network have shifted significantly towards data from voice.None of this is meant to suggest that a company the size of AT&amp;T shouldn't be able to solve the problem, but only that the problem is much more difficult than you make it out to be.
When you think through the problem, there's a lot more variables than you're realizing.
Companies with fewer resources than AT&amp;T solve harder problems all the time, so the fact that the problem is hard isn't an excuse.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007368</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30008260</id>
	<title>Re:4932\% Growth - Imagine That</title>
	<author>Dragonslicer</author>
	<datestamp>1257538860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>the "there's a map for that" commercials have to be striking a bad chord over at AT&amp;T headquarters right about now...</p></div><p>You missed that whole <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/11/04/1428254/ATampT-Sues-Verizon-Over-Map-For-That-Ads" title="slashdot.org">lawsuit thing</a> [slashdot.org] a couple days ago, huh?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>the " there 's a map for that " commercials have to be striking a bad chord over at AT&amp;T headquarters right about now...You missed that whole lawsuit thing [ slashdot.org ] a couple days ago , huh ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the "there's a map for that" commercials have to be striking a bad chord over at AT&amp;T headquarters right about now...You missed that whole lawsuit thing [slashdot.org] a couple days ago, huh?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007456</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30009046</id>
	<title>Have they got a map for that?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257499080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's what I'd like to know.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's what I 'd like to know .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's what I'd like to know.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007064</id>
	<title>Umm, what?</title>
	<author>lalena</author>
	<datestamp>1257532020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If a network is not fully loaded, it's hard to know exactly how much demand is out there.</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If a network is not fully loaded , it 's hard to know exactly how much demand is out there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If a network is not fully loaded, it's hard to know exactly how much demand is out there.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30009452</id>
	<title>Re:4932\% Growth - Imagine That</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257500820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The building I work in (Greater LA area) has both T-Mobile and AT&amp;T towers on the roof. The AT&amp;T tower has a 48 strands of multi mode fiber pulled to it. It doesn't touch any active equipment here, so I have no clue what they are running over it. The T-Mobile tower has 6 strands of MM fiber and does actually touch active equipment here. Over that they are running 3 T1s for service to the tower. I don't know how that splits between voice/data, but that seems like it would be a maximum of ~4.5 Mbit or 72 calls.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The building I work in ( Greater LA area ) has both T-Mobile and AT&amp;T towers on the roof .
The AT&amp;T tower has a 48 strands of multi mode fiber pulled to it .
It does n't touch any active equipment here , so I have no clue what they are running over it .
The T-Mobile tower has 6 strands of MM fiber and does actually touch active equipment here .
Over that they are running 3 T1s for service to the tower .
I do n't know how that splits between voice/data , but that seems like it would be a maximum of ~ 4.5 Mbit or 72 calls .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The building I work in (Greater LA area) has both T-Mobile and AT&amp;T towers on the roof.
The AT&amp;T tower has a 48 strands of multi mode fiber pulled to it.
It doesn't touch any active equipment here, so I have no clue what they are running over it.
The T-Mobile tower has 6 strands of MM fiber and does actually touch active equipment here.
Over that they are running 3 T1s for service to the tower.
I don't know how that splits between voice/data, but that seems like it would be a maximum of ~4.5 Mbit or 72 calls.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007486</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007078</id>
	<title>TFA has nothing to do with coverage</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257532080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It talks much more about AT&amp;T's push towards IPv6 to accommodate more devices.</p><p>However, it's very true that people keep eating up the wireless bandwidth. These companies need to realize that unless something changes, mobile is the new "last mile."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It talks much more about AT&amp;T 's push towards IPv6 to accommodate more devices.However , it 's very true that people keep eating up the wireless bandwidth .
These companies need to realize that unless something changes , mobile is the new " last mile .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It talks much more about AT&amp;T's push towards IPv6 to accommodate more devices.However, it's very true that people keep eating up the wireless bandwidth.
These companies need to realize that unless something changes, mobile is the new "last mile.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30009084</id>
	<title>Re:Not a network admin, is he?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257499260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't have a car analogy, but I have a stereo analogy.</p><p>Stereo amps have two power ratings: RMS and peak. RMS is continuous power, peak is what it can hit for a short time. When you buy an amp, you don't compare peak power, you compare RMS.</p><p>If your amp is rated at 100 watts RMS and you hook 100 watt speakers to it, you'll blow your speakers if you crank it all the way up. AT&amp;T's top brass must go through a lot of speakers!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't have a car analogy , but I have a stereo analogy.Stereo amps have two power ratings : RMS and peak .
RMS is continuous power , peak is what it can hit for a short time .
When you buy an amp , you do n't compare peak power , you compare RMS.If your amp is rated at 100 watts RMS and you hook 100 watt speakers to it , you 'll blow your speakers if you crank it all the way up .
AT&amp;T 's top brass must go through a lot of speakers !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't have a car analogy, but I have a stereo analogy.Stereo amps have two power ratings: RMS and peak.
RMS is continuous power, peak is what it can hit for a short time.
When you buy an amp, you don't compare peak power, you compare RMS.If your amp is rated at 100 watts RMS and you hook 100 watt speakers to it, you'll blow your speakers if you crank it all the way up.
AT&amp;T's top brass must go through a lot of speakers!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007420</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007424</id>
	<title>That's not much</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257534180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Come on, 4.932\% isn't even 5\%. Shame on you, AT&amp;T!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Come on , 4.932 \ % is n't even 5 \ % .
Shame on you , AT&amp;T !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Come on, 4.932\% isn't even 5\%.
Shame on you, AT&amp;T!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30008904</id>
	<title>That's an interesting proposition</title>
	<author>earnest murderer</author>
	<datestamp>1257498540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But it's also easy to know...</p><p>What is the difference in price in your area for a 1.5mb DSL line (20-30 here) versus a T-1 to your home?</p><p>I'll stick with my 7mb DSL service for now, thanks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But it 's also easy to know...What is the difference in price in your area for a 1.5mb DSL line ( 20-30 here ) versus a T-1 to your home ? I 'll stick with my 7mb DSL service for now , thanks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But it's also easy to know...What is the difference in price in your area for a 1.5mb DSL line (20-30 here) versus a T-1 to your home?I'll stick with my 7mb DSL service for now, thanks.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007582</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007482</id>
	<title>what a shock...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257534600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...you offer something useful to people and they use it?</p><p>My brother is in mngmnt with AT&amp;T, he tells me the greatest tales of folly, and he's a just a local repair supervisor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...you offer something useful to people and they use it ? My brother is in mngmnt with AT&amp;T , he tells me the greatest tales of folly , and he 's a just a local repair supervisor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...you offer something useful to people and they use it?My brother is in mngmnt with AT&amp;T, he tells me the greatest tales of folly, and he's a just a local repair supervisor.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007572</id>
	<title>If you build it...</title>
	<author>kawabago</author>
	<datestamp>1257535200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you build it, they will come. In this case they're coming anyway, you better build something quick!</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you build it , they will come .
In this case they 're coming anyway , you better build something quick !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you build it, they will come.
In this case they're coming anyway, you better build something quick!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30011520</id>
	<title>Re:Umm, what?</title>
	<author>hedwards</author>
	<datestamp>1257514020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Mostly yes, but not quite. What they're betting is that people won't use 100\% of their bandwidth at the same time. If a third or so use there's in the earlyish morning, and the rest are split between night and afternoon, that's a whole lot different than if 2/3 tried to use theirs in the afternoon.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mostly yes , but not quite .
What they 're betting is that people wo n't use 100 \ % of their bandwidth at the same time .
If a third or so use there 's in the earlyish morning , and the rest are split between night and afternoon , that 's a whole lot different than if 2/3 tried to use theirs in the afternoon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mostly yes, but not quite.
What they're betting is that people won't use 100\% of their bandwidth at the same time.
If a third or so use there's in the earlyish morning, and the rest are split between night and afternoon, that's a whole lot different than if 2/3 tried to use theirs in the afternoon.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007582</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007450</id>
	<title>Poor justifications...</title>
	<author>SebaSOFT</author>
	<datestamp>1257534420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a large corporation, AT&amp;T should have LOTS of people working on demand analysis and usage trends. If it didn't upgrade the coverage is not because it didn't see the Train Headlight on the other side of the tunnel.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a large corporation , AT&amp;T should have LOTS of people working on demand analysis and usage trends .
If it did n't upgrade the coverage is not because it did n't see the Train Headlight on the other side of the tunnel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a large corporation, AT&amp;T should have LOTS of people working on demand analysis and usage trends.
If it didn't upgrade the coverage is not because it didn't see the Train Headlight on the other side of the tunnel.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007718</id>
	<title>There Will Be Bandwidth</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257536040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does this:</p><p>"You put all you can in the ground, and they eat it all up, and then you put more in there, and they eat it all up."</p><p>Remind anyone else of this:</p><p>"Here, if you have a milkshake, and I have a milkshake, and I have a straw. There it is, that's a straw, you see? You watching?. And my straw reaches acroooooooss the room, and starts to drink your milkshake... I... drink... your... milkshake!  I drink it up."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does this : " You put all you can in the ground , and they eat it all up , and then you put more in there , and they eat it all up .
" Remind anyone else of this : " Here , if you have a milkshake , and I have a milkshake , and I have a straw .
There it is , that 's a straw , you see ?
You watching ? .
And my straw reaches acroooooooss the room , and starts to drink your milkshake... I... drink... your... milkshake !
I drink it up .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does this:"You put all you can in the ground, and they eat it all up, and then you put more in there, and they eat it all up.
"Remind anyone else of this:"Here, if you have a milkshake, and I have a milkshake, and I have a straw.
There it is, that's a straw, you see?
You watching?.
And my straw reaches acroooooooss the room, and starts to drink your milkshake... I... drink... your... milkshake!
I drink it up.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007394</id>
	<title>Re:Bullshit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257534000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This has always been how these communications companies act.</p><p>Read newspapers from the late 1890s. We see the same attitude coming out of Continental Telegraph, Union Telegraph &amp; Transmission, and the other big players in those days.</p><p>Instead of improving their telegraph networks, some of them would impose a limit of no more than 10 words per telegraph when the load got too high.</p><p>Different companies, different technology, same fuck-the-customer business attitudes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This has always been how these communications companies act.Read newspapers from the late 1890s .
We see the same attitude coming out of Continental Telegraph , Union Telegraph &amp; Transmission , and the other big players in those days.Instead of improving their telegraph networks , some of them would impose a limit of no more than 10 words per telegraph when the load got too high.Different companies , different technology , same fuck-the-customer business attitudes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This has always been how these communications companies act.Read newspapers from the late 1890s.
We see the same attitude coming out of Continental Telegraph, Union Telegraph &amp; Transmission, and the other big players in those days.Instead of improving their telegraph networks, some of them would impose a limit of no more than 10 words per telegraph when the load got too high.Different companies, different technology, same fuck-the-customer business attitudes.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007120</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30008070</id>
	<title>People: stop linking to "print this page"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257538020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I realize people are pretty much free to do what they want...  But it's really rude to link to a "print this page" article instead of the actual page, as this summary does.  What this does here is tells the target website, you're going to absorb the bandwidth cost of having Slashdot readers view an article, but you're not going to able to show them ads.  On a small scale it probably doesn't mean much (just as it probably doesn't mean much if a small percentage uses ad-blocking software), but I still feel this is disrespectful, especially on something that is going to receive high volume.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I realize people are pretty much free to do what they want... But it 's really rude to link to a " print this page " article instead of the actual page , as this summary does .
What this does here is tells the target website , you 're going to absorb the bandwidth cost of having Slashdot readers view an article , but you 're not going to able to show them ads .
On a small scale it probably does n't mean much ( just as it probably does n't mean much if a small percentage uses ad-blocking software ) , but I still feel this is disrespectful , especially on something that is going to receive high volume .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I realize people are pretty much free to do what they want...  But it's really rude to link to a "print this page" article instead of the actual page, as this summary does.
What this does here is tells the target website, you're going to absorb the bandwidth cost of having Slashdot readers view an article, but you're not going to able to show them ads.
On a small scale it probably doesn't mean much (just as it probably doesn't mean much if a small percentage uses ad-blocking software), but I still feel this is disrespectful, especially on something that is going to receive high volume.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30008952</id>
	<title>Ryan</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257498720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Forget about 3g, I'd be happy to just be able to make a phone call when 'off the beaten path'.  I've been less than a mile away from the interstate where there is 3g coverage and had zero bars and any attempt at making a call resulted in 'call failed'.  Although the Verizon 'map for that' commercials are a bit harsh, they are unfortunately fairly accurate.  3g is nice when it is there, but sacrificing the primary function of a phone (making calls) for faster web browsing is simply not acceptable.  Hopefully they put dollars towards increasing basic cellular coverage or I'll be switching networks once the contract is up (and Apple sells phones on other networks).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Forget about 3g , I 'd be happy to just be able to make a phone call when 'off the beaten path' .
I 've been less than a mile away from the interstate where there is 3g coverage and had zero bars and any attempt at making a call resulted in 'call failed' .
Although the Verizon 'map for that ' commercials are a bit harsh , they are unfortunately fairly accurate .
3g is nice when it is there , but sacrificing the primary function of a phone ( making calls ) for faster web browsing is simply not acceptable .
Hopefully they put dollars towards increasing basic cellular coverage or I 'll be switching networks once the contract is up ( and Apple sells phones on other networks ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Forget about 3g, I'd be happy to just be able to make a phone call when 'off the beaten path'.
I've been less than a mile away from the interstate where there is 3g coverage and had zero bars and any attempt at making a call resulted in 'call failed'.
Although the Verizon 'map for that' commercials are a bit harsh, they are unfortunately fairly accurate.
3g is nice when it is there, but sacrificing the primary function of a phone (making calls) for faster web browsing is simply not acceptable.
Hopefully they put dollars towards increasing basic cellular coverage or I'll be switching networks once the contract is up (and Apple sells phones on other networks).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007370</id>
	<title>Shame on ATT for blaming anyone but themselves...</title>
	<author>Super Dave Osbourne</author>
	<datestamp>1257533760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>This guy's quote is BS, if you as the owner of your traffic don't know how much demand there is either by system monitoring and/or usage patterns for specific type clients (with demograhaphics tagged along with it, because ATT sure as hell knows its clients profiles and/or can buy such data from 3rd parties) then they need to get out of the business.  Either way ATT has slacked on its network, let Verizon (good for them) to compete and do it well and then blame poor performance and oversell on its lack of knowledge.  That is just BS, they know, don't care until it hurts in the pocket...  And exclusive contracts with big hardware vendors does't help the public, its own customer base, as well as its image.  Shame on ATT.</div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This guy 's quote is BS , if you as the owner of your traffic do n't know how much demand there is either by system monitoring and/or usage patterns for specific type clients ( with demograhaphics tagged along with it , because ATT sure as hell knows its clients profiles and/or can buy such data from 3rd parties ) then they need to get out of the business .
Either way ATT has slacked on its network , let Verizon ( good for them ) to compete and do it well and then blame poor performance and oversell on its lack of knowledge .
That is just BS , they know , do n't care until it hurts in the pocket... And exclusive contracts with big hardware vendors does't help the public , its own customer base , as well as its image .
Shame on ATT .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This guy's quote is BS, if you as the owner of your traffic don't know how much demand there is either by system monitoring and/or usage patterns for specific type clients (with demograhaphics tagged along with it, because ATT sure as hell knows its clients profiles and/or can buy such data from 3rd parties) then they need to get out of the business.
Either way ATT has slacked on its network, let Verizon (good for them) to compete and do it well and then blame poor performance and oversell on its lack of knowledge.
That is just BS, they know, don't care until it hurts in the pocket...  And exclusive contracts with big hardware vendors does't help the public, its own customer base, as well as its image.
Shame on ATT.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007086</id>
	<title>First Post!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257532140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This would of been the first post, but I'm in new york and posting from my iphone</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This would of been the first post , but I 'm in new york and posting from my iphone</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This would of been the first post, but I'm in new york and posting from my iphone</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007062</id>
	<title>Your official guide to the Jigaboo presidency</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257532020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Congratulations on your purchase of a brand new nigger! If handled properly, your apeman will give years of valuable, if reluctant, service.</p><p>INSTALLING YOUR NIGGER.<br>You should install your nigger differently according to whether you have purchased the field or house model. Field niggers work best in a serial configuration, i.e. chained together. Chain your nigger to another nigger immediately after unpacking it, and don't even think about taking that chain off, ever. Many niggers start singing as soon as you put a chain on them. This habit can usually be thrashed out of them if nipped in the bud. House niggers work best as standalone units, but should be hobbled or hamstrung to prevent attempts at escape. At this stage, your nigger can also be given a name. Most owners use the same names over and over, since niggers become confused by too much data. Rufus, Rastus, Remus, Toby, Carslisle, Carlton, Hey-You!-Yes-you!, Yeller, Blackstar, and Sambo are all effective names for your new buck nigger. If your nigger is a ho, it should be called Latrelle, L'Tanya, or Jemima. Some owners call their nigger hoes Latrine for a joke. Pearl, Blossom, and Ivory are also righteous names for nigger hoes. These names go straight over your nigger's head, by the way.</p><p>CONFIGURING YOUR NIGGER<br>Owing to a design error, your nigger comes equipped with a tongue and vocal chords. Most niggers can master only a few basic human phrases with this apparatus - "muh dick" being the most popular. However, others make barking, yelping, yapping noises and appear to be in some pain, so you should probably call a vet and have him remove your nigger's tongue. Once de-tongued your nigger will be a lot happier - at least, you won't hear it complaining anywhere near as much. Niggers have nothing interesting to say, anyway. Many owners also castrate their niggers for health reasons (yours, mine, and that of women, not the nigger's). This is strongly recommended, and frankly, it's a mystery why this is not done on the boat</p><p>HOUSING YOUR NIGGER.<br>Your nigger can be accommodated in cages with stout iron bars. Make sure, however, that the bars are wide enough to push pieces of nigger food through. The rule of thumb is, four niggers per square yard of cage. So a fifteen foot by thirty foot nigger cage can accommodate two hundred niggers. You can site a nigger cage anywhere, even on soft ground. Don't worry about your nigger fashioning makeshift shovels out of odd pieces of wood and digging an escape tunnel under the bars of the cage. Niggers never invented the shovel before and they're not about to now. In any case, your nigger is certainly too lazy to attempt escape. As long as the free food holds out, your nigger is living better than it did in Africa, so it will stay put. Buck niggers and hoe niggers can be safely accommodated in the same cage, as bucks never attempt sex with black hoes.</p><p>FEEDING YOUR NIGGER.<br>Your Nigger likes fried chicken, corn bread, and watermelon. You should therefore give it none of these things because its lazy ass almost certainly doesn't deserve it. Instead, feed it on porridge with salt, and creek water. Your nigger will supplement its diet with whatever it finds in the fields, other niggers, etc. Experienced nigger owners sometimes push watermelon slices through the bars of the nigger cage at the end of the day as a treat, but only if all niggers have worked well and nothing has been stolen that day. Mike of the Old Ranch Plantation reports that this last one is a killer, since all niggers steal something almost every single day of their lives. He reports he doesn't have to spend much on free watermelon for his niggers as a result. You should never allow your nigger meal breaks while at work, since if it stops work for more than ten minutes it will need to be retrained. You would be surprised how long it takes to teach a nigger to pick cotton. You really would. Coffee beans? Don't ask. You have no idea.</p><p>MAKING YOUR NIGGER WORK.<br>Niggers are very, very averse to work of any kind. The nigger's most</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Congratulations on your purchase of a brand new nigger !
If handled properly , your apeman will give years of valuable , if reluctant , service.INSTALLING YOUR NIGGER.You should install your nigger differently according to whether you have purchased the field or house model .
Field niggers work best in a serial configuration , i.e .
chained together .
Chain your nigger to another nigger immediately after unpacking it , and do n't even think about taking that chain off , ever .
Many niggers start singing as soon as you put a chain on them .
This habit can usually be thrashed out of them if nipped in the bud .
House niggers work best as standalone units , but should be hobbled or hamstrung to prevent attempts at escape .
At this stage , your nigger can also be given a name .
Most owners use the same names over and over , since niggers become confused by too much data .
Rufus , Rastus , Remus , Toby , Carslisle , Carlton , Hey-You ! -Yes-you ! , Yeller , Blackstar , and Sambo are all effective names for your new buck nigger .
If your nigger is a ho , it should be called Latrelle , L'Tanya , or Jemima .
Some owners call their nigger hoes Latrine for a joke .
Pearl , Blossom , and Ivory are also righteous names for nigger hoes .
These names go straight over your nigger 's head , by the way.CONFIGURING YOUR NIGGEROwing to a design error , your nigger comes equipped with a tongue and vocal chords .
Most niggers can master only a few basic human phrases with this apparatus - " muh dick " being the most popular .
However , others make barking , yelping , yapping noises and appear to be in some pain , so you should probably call a vet and have him remove your nigger 's tongue .
Once de-tongued your nigger will be a lot happier - at least , you wo n't hear it complaining anywhere near as much .
Niggers have nothing interesting to say , anyway .
Many owners also castrate their niggers for health reasons ( yours , mine , and that of women , not the nigger 's ) .
This is strongly recommended , and frankly , it 's a mystery why this is not done on the boatHOUSING YOUR NIGGER.Your nigger can be accommodated in cages with stout iron bars .
Make sure , however , that the bars are wide enough to push pieces of nigger food through .
The rule of thumb is , four niggers per square yard of cage .
So a fifteen foot by thirty foot nigger cage can accommodate two hundred niggers .
You can site a nigger cage anywhere , even on soft ground .
Do n't worry about your nigger fashioning makeshift shovels out of odd pieces of wood and digging an escape tunnel under the bars of the cage .
Niggers never invented the shovel before and they 're not about to now .
In any case , your nigger is certainly too lazy to attempt escape .
As long as the free food holds out , your nigger is living better than it did in Africa , so it will stay put .
Buck niggers and hoe niggers can be safely accommodated in the same cage , as bucks never attempt sex with black hoes.FEEDING YOUR NIGGER.Your Nigger likes fried chicken , corn bread , and watermelon .
You should therefore give it none of these things because its lazy ass almost certainly does n't deserve it .
Instead , feed it on porridge with salt , and creek water .
Your nigger will supplement its diet with whatever it finds in the fields , other niggers , etc .
Experienced nigger owners sometimes push watermelon slices through the bars of the nigger cage at the end of the day as a treat , but only if all niggers have worked well and nothing has been stolen that day .
Mike of the Old Ranch Plantation reports that this last one is a killer , since all niggers steal something almost every single day of their lives .
He reports he does n't have to spend much on free watermelon for his niggers as a result .
You should never allow your nigger meal breaks while at work , since if it stops work for more than ten minutes it will need to be retrained .
You would be surprised how long it takes to teach a nigger to pick cotton .
You really would .
Coffee beans ?
Do n't ask .
You have no idea.MAKING YOUR NIGGER WORK.Niggers are very , very averse to work of any kind .
The nigger 's most</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Congratulations on your purchase of a brand new nigger!
If handled properly, your apeman will give years of valuable, if reluctant, service.INSTALLING YOUR NIGGER.You should install your nigger differently according to whether you have purchased the field or house model.
Field niggers work best in a serial configuration, i.e.
chained together.
Chain your nigger to another nigger immediately after unpacking it, and don't even think about taking that chain off, ever.
Many niggers start singing as soon as you put a chain on them.
This habit can usually be thrashed out of them if nipped in the bud.
House niggers work best as standalone units, but should be hobbled or hamstrung to prevent attempts at escape.
At this stage, your nigger can also be given a name.
Most owners use the same names over and over, since niggers become confused by too much data.
Rufus, Rastus, Remus, Toby, Carslisle, Carlton, Hey-You!-Yes-you!, Yeller, Blackstar, and Sambo are all effective names for your new buck nigger.
If your nigger is a ho, it should be called Latrelle, L'Tanya, or Jemima.
Some owners call their nigger hoes Latrine for a joke.
Pearl, Blossom, and Ivory are also righteous names for nigger hoes.
These names go straight over your nigger's head, by the way.CONFIGURING YOUR NIGGEROwing to a design error, your nigger comes equipped with a tongue and vocal chords.
Most niggers can master only a few basic human phrases with this apparatus - "muh dick" being the most popular.
However, others make barking, yelping, yapping noises and appear to be in some pain, so you should probably call a vet and have him remove your nigger's tongue.
Once de-tongued your nigger will be a lot happier - at least, you won't hear it complaining anywhere near as much.
Niggers have nothing interesting to say, anyway.
Many owners also castrate their niggers for health reasons (yours, mine, and that of women, not the nigger's).
This is strongly recommended, and frankly, it's a mystery why this is not done on the boatHOUSING YOUR NIGGER.Your nigger can be accommodated in cages with stout iron bars.
Make sure, however, that the bars are wide enough to push pieces of nigger food through.
The rule of thumb is, four niggers per square yard of cage.
So a fifteen foot by thirty foot nigger cage can accommodate two hundred niggers.
You can site a nigger cage anywhere, even on soft ground.
Don't worry about your nigger fashioning makeshift shovels out of odd pieces of wood and digging an escape tunnel under the bars of the cage.
Niggers never invented the shovel before and they're not about to now.
In any case, your nigger is certainly too lazy to attempt escape.
As long as the free food holds out, your nigger is living better than it did in Africa, so it will stay put.
Buck niggers and hoe niggers can be safely accommodated in the same cage, as bucks never attempt sex with black hoes.FEEDING YOUR NIGGER.Your Nigger likes fried chicken, corn bread, and watermelon.
You should therefore give it none of these things because its lazy ass almost certainly doesn't deserve it.
Instead, feed it on porridge with salt, and creek water.
Your nigger will supplement its diet with whatever it finds in the fields, other niggers, etc.
Experienced nigger owners sometimes push watermelon slices through the bars of the nigger cage at the end of the day as a treat, but only if all niggers have worked well and nothing has been stolen that day.
Mike of the Old Ranch Plantation reports that this last one is a killer, since all niggers steal something almost every single day of their lives.
He reports he doesn't have to spend much on free watermelon for his niggers as a result.
You should never allow your nigger meal breaks while at work, since if it stops work for more than ten minutes it will need to be retrained.
You would be surprised how long it takes to teach a nigger to pick cotton.
You really would.
Coffee beans?
Don't ask.
You have no idea.MAKING YOUR NIGGER WORK.Niggers are very, very averse to work of any kind.
The nigger's most</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30009104</id>
	<title>Re:Shame on ATT for blaming anyone but themselves.</title>
	<author>captaindomon</author>
	<datestamp>1257499320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I agree with the parent. I mean, come on. AT&amp;T has one of the largest data backbones in the WORLD. Their command &amp; control center is cooler than Nasa's. They have three hundred thousand employees and do 120 BILLION in revenue yearly. This is BS stuff for a purely PR standpoint. They know exactly what data people want and exactly what their capacity is, trust me. They probably have a couple hundred employees whose full-time job is to manage bandwidth across their worldwide network. They also have very good PR people that know how to spin a story to appease the masses, and this guy is paid very well and does a very good job convincing 98\% of subscribers that AT&amp;T is doing their best, when their goal is not to do their best- it is to do the job good enough to maximize profits, which is a very different goal, but one they do very well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree with the parent .
I mean , come on .
AT&amp;T has one of the largest data backbones in the WORLD .
Their command &amp; control center is cooler than Nasa 's .
They have three hundred thousand employees and do 120 BILLION in revenue yearly .
This is BS stuff for a purely PR standpoint .
They know exactly what data people want and exactly what their capacity is , trust me .
They probably have a couple hundred employees whose full-time job is to manage bandwidth across their worldwide network .
They also have very good PR people that know how to spin a story to appease the masses , and this guy is paid very well and does a very good job convincing 98 \ % of subscribers that AT&amp;T is doing their best , when their goal is not to do their best- it is to do the job good enough to maximize profits , which is a very different goal , but one they do very well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree with the parent.
I mean, come on.
AT&amp;T has one of the largest data backbones in the WORLD.
Their command &amp; control center is cooler than Nasa's.
They have three hundred thousand employees and do 120 BILLION in revenue yearly.
This is BS stuff for a purely PR standpoint.
They know exactly what data people want and exactly what their capacity is, trust me.
They probably have a couple hundred employees whose full-time job is to manage bandwidth across their worldwide network.
They also have very good PR people that know how to spin a story to appease the masses, and this guy is paid very well and does a very good job convincing 98\% of subscribers that AT&amp;T is doing their best, when their goal is not to do their best- it is to do the job good enough to maximize profits, which is a very different goal, but one they do very well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007102</id>
	<title>Re:Umm, what?</title>
	<author>FatAlb3rt</author>
	<datestamp>1257532200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's what I thought too, but I think it's poorly worded.  I think he means, if we haven't fully loaded our towers with equipment and they're still maxed out, it's hard to know how much demand is out there. <br>
<br>
Still a cop out.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's what I thought too , but I think it 's poorly worded .
I think he means , if we have n't fully loaded our towers with equipment and they 're still maxed out , it 's hard to know how much demand is out there .
Still a cop out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's what I thought too, but I think it's poorly worded.
I think he means, if we haven't fully loaded our towers with equipment and they're still maxed out, it's hard to know how much demand is out there.
Still a cop out.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007628</id>
	<title>Same argument used in highway construction</title>
	<author>w3woody</author>
	<datestamp>1257535500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The exact same observation is made with highway construction--but it has led transportation authorities to the opposite conclusion: if the more you build, the more people use the resource--then clearly the answer is to not build any because you'll never fix the congestion, and you'll just encourage more people to use the resource.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The exact same observation is made with highway construction--but it has led transportation authorities to the opposite conclusion : if the more you build , the more people use the resource--then clearly the answer is to not build any because you 'll never fix the congestion , and you 'll just encourage more people to use the resource .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The exact same observation is made with highway construction--but it has led transportation authorities to the opposite conclusion: if the more you build, the more people use the resource--then clearly the answer is to not build any because you'll never fix the congestion, and you'll just encourage more people to use the resource.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007604</id>
	<title>Simple plan....</title>
	<author>AVryhof</author>
	<datestamp>1257535320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't sell what you don't have.</p><p>If you want to sell more, build more before selling it.</p><p>If this were any other industry, I would bring up "if you can't, someone else will" but the market providers are so few that it's not true.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't sell what you do n't have.If you want to sell more , build more before selling it.If this were any other industry , I would bring up " if you ca n't , someone else will " but the market providers are so few that it 's not true .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't sell what you don't have.If you want to sell more, build more before selling it.If this were any other industry, I would bring up "if you can't, someone else will" but the market providers are so few that it's not true.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007716</id>
	<title>What is peak of 4600\% average increase?</title>
	<author>SuperKendall</author>
	<datestamp>1257536040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>You've never done any kind of network administration, have you Mr. Donovan? You designed your network for average use, not peak use.</i></p><p>I think what he is saying (badly) is that you can't find the peak if your network is constantly at peak.</p><p>Not to mention it's hard to figure out what the real peak will be in a few years with 4600\% growth in average use.</p><p>To put it simply, that level of growth caught everyone flat footed because people just did not use data plans that heavily before.  AT&amp;T is still trying to figure out how to adjust.  I know they are building out because service in my town (Denver) has improved, but obviously they are struggling to have improvements match growth rates.  And they probably will for some time...  hopefully they are starting to realize they need to lay down new network capacity at a far greater rate, whatever that takes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 've never done any kind of network administration , have you Mr. Donovan ? You designed your network for average use , not peak use.I think what he is saying ( badly ) is that you ca n't find the peak if your network is constantly at peak.Not to mention it 's hard to figure out what the real peak will be in a few years with 4600 \ % growth in average use.To put it simply , that level of growth caught everyone flat footed because people just did not use data plans that heavily before .
AT&amp;T is still trying to figure out how to adjust .
I know they are building out because service in my town ( Denver ) has improved , but obviously they are struggling to have improvements match growth rates .
And they probably will for some time... hopefully they are starting to realize they need to lay down new network capacity at a far greater rate , whatever that takes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You've never done any kind of network administration, have you Mr. Donovan? You designed your network for average use, not peak use.I think what he is saying (badly) is that you can't find the peak if your network is constantly at peak.Not to mention it's hard to figure out what the real peak will be in a few years with 4600\% growth in average use.To put it simply, that level of growth caught everyone flat footed because people just did not use data plans that heavily before.
AT&amp;T is still trying to figure out how to adjust.
I know they are building out because service in my town (Denver) has improved, but obviously they are struggling to have improvements match growth rates.
And they probably will for some time...  hopefully they are starting to realize they need to lay down new network capacity at a far greater rate, whatever that takes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30010958</id>
	<title>Re:First Post!</title>
	<author>denttford</author>
	<datestamp>1257508920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is there a map for this?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is there a map for this ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is there a map for this?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30008478</id>
	<title>Re:Umm, what?</title>
	<author>pnuema</author>
	<datestamp>1257539940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>HE WAS MISQUOTED. Jeez. Typo.</htmltext>
<tokenext>HE WAS MISQUOTED .
Jeez. Typo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>HE WAS MISQUOTED.
Jeez. Typo.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30008454</id>
	<title>Their rival not acting sane too</title>
	<author>Ilgaz</author>
	<datestamp>1257539820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>By targeting Apple iPhone and AT&amp;T together, Verizon lost way too many potential customers. Industry rule is, never ever specifically target Apple since it is something like a cult. I know lots of people around me asking "So what the hell is Verizon and why they hate Apple?". I am thousands of kilometers away from USA, now that should be some real alerting thing.</p><p>AT&amp;T could advertise involvement with UNIX (which many don't know), Verizon could inform people about why they have the largest coverage, why their speeds are so higher than the competition. All they do is childish "I do that, I do this" competition with lots of drama. iPhone is a damn UNIX device which is a fairly advanced smart phone in its own right, they should stop treating iPhone users or other smart phone/device users like bunch of rich morons.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>By targeting Apple iPhone and AT&amp;T together , Verizon lost way too many potential customers .
Industry rule is , never ever specifically target Apple since it is something like a cult .
I know lots of people around me asking " So what the hell is Verizon and why they hate Apple ? " .
I am thousands of kilometers away from USA , now that should be some real alerting thing.AT&amp;T could advertise involvement with UNIX ( which many do n't know ) , Verizon could inform people about why they have the largest coverage , why their speeds are so higher than the competition .
All they do is childish " I do that , I do this " competition with lots of drama .
iPhone is a damn UNIX device which is a fairly advanced smart phone in its own right , they should stop treating iPhone users or other smart phone/device users like bunch of rich morons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By targeting Apple iPhone and AT&amp;T together, Verizon lost way too many potential customers.
Industry rule is, never ever specifically target Apple since it is something like a cult.
I know lots of people around me asking "So what the hell is Verizon and why they hate Apple?".
I am thousands of kilometers away from USA, now that should be some real alerting thing.AT&amp;T could advertise involvement with UNIX (which many don't know), Verizon could inform people about why they have the largest coverage, why their speeds are so higher than the competition.
All they do is childish "I do that, I do this" competition with lots of drama.
iPhone is a damn UNIX device which is a fairly advanced smart phone in its own right, they should stop treating iPhone users or other smart phone/device users like bunch of rich morons.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30009406</id>
	<title>Re:it's hard to know...</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1257500640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's an ATT for that!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's an ATT for that !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's an ATT for that!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007458</id>
	<title>Re:Umm, what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257534480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If people keep buying, why not keep selling?  I don't blame AT&amp;T at all for being successful.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If people keep buying , why not keep selling ?
I do n't blame AT&amp;T at all for being successful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If people keep buying, why not keep selling?
I don't blame AT&amp;T at all for being successful.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30011028</id>
	<title>Re:Umm, what?</title>
	<author>ScottForbes</author>
	<datestamp>1257509640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Honestly, they just need to provision 100\% of what users are paying for; and figure out the growth rate and provision accordingly.</p></div></blockquote><p>...and there'd only be 50 cell phones per city, because <em>no one else could afford one</em>.  (Back when AT&amp;T was a monopoly, this was actually the business model:  Cell phones were planned as a high-end luxury item found only in limousines and such.)  For guaranteed 100\% availability of "what users are paying for," every cell site in the network would have to have one radio channel per customer... and that channel would sit idle and unused 99.9\% of the time, but it still has to be there, ready and waiting, in case all 50 customers are stuck in the same traffic jam.</p><p>To borrow a downthread commenter's analogy, this is the difference between paying for 1.5Mbps DSL and running a full-bore T-1 line to your house:  One of these things costs 5x more than the other, and if we insist that ISPs build to that capacity level then most of today's customers will be priced out of the market.</p><p>Not that AT&amp;T couldn't have done a better job of growing their capacity, but they really do have a tiger by the tail here:  The iPhone is hammering their data network like nothing before or since.  Even if they had accurately forecasted the iPhone's impact, they wouldn't have been able to build enough capacity in time.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Honestly , they just need to provision 100 \ % of what users are paying for ; and figure out the growth rate and provision accordingly....and there 'd only be 50 cell phones per city , because no one else could afford one .
( Back when AT&amp;T was a monopoly , this was actually the business model : Cell phones were planned as a high-end luxury item found only in limousines and such .
) For guaranteed 100 \ % availability of " what users are paying for , " every cell site in the network would have to have one radio channel per customer... and that channel would sit idle and unused 99.9 \ % of the time , but it still has to be there , ready and waiting , in case all 50 customers are stuck in the same traffic jam.To borrow a downthread commenter 's analogy , this is the difference between paying for 1.5Mbps DSL and running a full-bore T-1 line to your house : One of these things costs 5x more than the other , and if we insist that ISPs build to that capacity level then most of today 's customers will be priced out of the market.Not that AT&amp;T could n't have done a better job of growing their capacity , but they really do have a tiger by the tail here : The iPhone is hammering their data network like nothing before or since .
Even if they had accurately forecasted the iPhone 's impact , they would n't have been able to build enough capacity in time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Honestly, they just need to provision 100\% of what users are paying for; and figure out the growth rate and provision accordingly....and there'd only be 50 cell phones per city, because no one else could afford one.
(Back when AT&amp;T was a monopoly, this was actually the business model:  Cell phones were planned as a high-end luxury item found only in limousines and such.
)  For guaranteed 100\% availability of "what users are paying for," every cell site in the network would have to have one radio channel per customer... and that channel would sit idle and unused 99.9\% of the time, but it still has to be there, ready and waiting, in case all 50 customers are stuck in the same traffic jam.To borrow a downthread commenter's analogy, this is the difference between paying for 1.5Mbps DSL and running a full-bore T-1 line to your house:  One of these things costs 5x more than the other, and if we insist that ISPs build to that capacity level then most of today's customers will be priced out of the market.Not that AT&amp;T couldn't have done a better job of growing their capacity, but they really do have a tiger by the tail here:  The iPhone is hammering their data network like nothing before or since.
Even if they had accurately forecasted the iPhone's impact, they wouldn't have been able to build enough capacity in time.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007420</id>
	<title>Not a network admin, is he?</title>
	<author>girlintraining</author>
	<datestamp>1257534180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>'If a network is not fully loaded, it's hard to know exactly how much demand is out there,' Donovan said. 'You put all you can in the ground, and they eat it all up, and then you put more in there, and they eat it all up.'"</p></div><p>You've never done any kind of network administration, have you Mr. Donovan? You designed your network for average use, not peak use. As anyone who designs networks for a living will tell you -- it will function perfectly well until it reaches close to or at 100\% utilization, at which point it'll choke and die horribly. Had you excercised proper engineering methodology, you would have known to test each product/application being put on the network in test markets and used the use data to predict what the peak would be, and then only deploy it when you had a 20-50\% greater capacity than what the data suggests.</p><p>But alas, you eschewed best practices to save a few bucks -- all those profitable quarters and executive kickbacks, all the while your towers were backhauled on 512kbit DSL and fractional T1s. Your infrastructure's been rotting for a long time, sir, and the iPhone has nothing to do with your failure as an executive to execute a proper deployment plan that accounts for growth. You should be ashamed: The chinese mobile phone network has over 500 million subscribers, and their plans are cheaper, have better options, and their infrastructure is far more modern. China has similar problems to the United States in terms of rural development and rugged terrain for deployment -- and yet you've abjectly failed to not only do your case studies, but even do exploratory research within your own market.</p><p>It's amazing that this level of incompetence is rewarded by our society.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>'If a network is not fully loaded , it 's hard to know exactly how much demand is out there, ' Donovan said .
'You put all you can in the ground , and they eat it all up , and then you put more in there , and they eat it all up .
' " You 've never done any kind of network administration , have you Mr. Donovan ? You designed your network for average use , not peak use .
As anyone who designs networks for a living will tell you -- it will function perfectly well until it reaches close to or at 100 \ % utilization , at which point it 'll choke and die horribly .
Had you excercised proper engineering methodology , you would have known to test each product/application being put on the network in test markets and used the use data to predict what the peak would be , and then only deploy it when you had a 20-50 \ % greater capacity than what the data suggests.But alas , you eschewed best practices to save a few bucks -- all those profitable quarters and executive kickbacks , all the while your towers were backhauled on 512kbit DSL and fractional T1s .
Your infrastructure 's been rotting for a long time , sir , and the iPhone has nothing to do with your failure as an executive to execute a proper deployment plan that accounts for growth .
You should be ashamed : The chinese mobile phone network has over 500 million subscribers , and their plans are cheaper , have better options , and their infrastructure is far more modern .
China has similar problems to the United States in terms of rural development and rugged terrain for deployment -- and yet you 've abjectly failed to not only do your case studies , but even do exploratory research within your own market.It 's amazing that this level of incompetence is rewarded by our society .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'If a network is not fully loaded, it's hard to know exactly how much demand is out there,' Donovan said.
'You put all you can in the ground, and they eat it all up, and then you put more in there, and they eat it all up.
'"You've never done any kind of network administration, have you Mr. Donovan? You designed your network for average use, not peak use.
As anyone who designs networks for a living will tell you -- it will function perfectly well until it reaches close to or at 100\% utilization, at which point it'll choke and die horribly.
Had you excercised proper engineering methodology, you would have known to test each product/application being put on the network in test markets and used the use data to predict what the peak would be, and then only deploy it when you had a 20-50\% greater capacity than what the data suggests.But alas, you eschewed best practices to save a few bucks -- all those profitable quarters and executive kickbacks, all the while your towers were backhauled on 512kbit DSL and fractional T1s.
Your infrastructure's been rotting for a long time, sir, and the iPhone has nothing to do with your failure as an executive to execute a proper deployment plan that accounts for growth.
You should be ashamed: The chinese mobile phone network has over 500 million subscribers, and their plans are cheaper, have better options, and their infrastructure is far more modern.
China has similar problems to the United States in terms of rural development and rugged terrain for deployment -- and yet you've abjectly failed to not only do your case studies, but even do exploratory research within your own market.It's amazing that this level of incompetence is rewarded by our society.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30009750</id>
	<title>AT&amp;T is too blame</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257502140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The iPhone could probably be attributed to a big percentage of the problem with the amount apps that access the 3G network but AT&amp;T in general is highly to blame for the massive increase.  They are requiring ALL new smartphone user to get a data plan at $30 minimum (not including text messaging).  Since this new requirement in September 2009 if people are paying for data they plan to get their money worth.  Personally I am one to use what I am paying for.  If they want to fix the problem they can remove the need to purchase the data plan, offer it at a lower rate for a limited about per month, or increase their network bandwidth to account for the influx they created.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The iPhone could probably be attributed to a big percentage of the problem with the amount apps that access the 3G network but AT&amp;T in general is highly to blame for the massive increase .
They are requiring ALL new smartphone user to get a data plan at $ 30 minimum ( not including text messaging ) .
Since this new requirement in September 2009 if people are paying for data they plan to get their money worth .
Personally I am one to use what I am paying for .
If they want to fix the problem they can remove the need to purchase the data plan , offer it at a lower rate for a limited about per month , or increase their network bandwidth to account for the influx they created .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The iPhone could probably be attributed to a big percentage of the problem with the amount apps that access the 3G network but AT&amp;T in general is highly to blame for the massive increase.
They are requiring ALL new smartphone user to get a data plan at $30 minimum (not including text messaging).
Since this new requirement in September 2009 if people are paying for data they plan to get their money worth.
Personally I am one to use what I am paying for.
If they want to fix the problem they can remove the need to purchase the data plan, offer it at a lower rate for a limited about per month, or increase their network bandwidth to account for the influx they created.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007532</id>
	<title>Re:4932\% Growth - Imagine That</title>
	<author>Afforess</author>
	<datestamp>1257534960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's like complaining that you need to buy more wheelbarrows to carry the wads of cash to the bank. I really don't pity them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's like complaining that you need to buy more wheelbarrows to carry the wads of cash to the bank .
I really do n't pity them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's like complaining that you need to buy more wheelbarrows to carry the wads of cash to the bank.
I really don't pity them.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007068</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007582</id>
	<title>Re:Umm, what?</title>
	<author>TemporalBeing</author>
	<datestamp>1257535260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>If a network is not fully loaded, it's hard to know exactly how much demand is out there.</p></div></div><p>Remember, ISPs (of which AT&amp;T is one) take a bet that their users will never use 100\% of their paid for bandwidth.<br>
Thus they base the network capacity on the usage demand, and try to provision only as much as they absolutely have to.<br>
This is why ISPs hate Net Neutrality - b/c they wouldn't be able to continue playing these games and get away with it.<br>
In this light, where demand determines how much actually gets provisioned, it makes sense. If max demand is 100, but only represents 10\% of paid for demand, then that's all you need. If all of a sudden the bet that 10\% of paid for demand is not longer good enough - and you need 20\%, you have a major problem. B/c the equations tell you that the 10\% is good enough, but now users are asking for 20\%. You don't have all your users on the network but your demand and provisioning looks okay, until they all jump on.<br>
<br>
Honestly, they just need to provision 100\% of what users are paying for; and figure out the growth rate and provision accordingly.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If a network is not fully loaded , it 's hard to know exactly how much demand is out there.Remember , ISPs ( of which AT&amp;T is one ) take a bet that their users will never use 100 \ % of their paid for bandwidth .
Thus they base the network capacity on the usage demand , and try to provision only as much as they absolutely have to .
This is why ISPs hate Net Neutrality - b/c they would n't be able to continue playing these games and get away with it .
In this light , where demand determines how much actually gets provisioned , it makes sense .
If max demand is 100 , but only represents 10 \ % of paid for demand , then that 's all you need .
If all of a sudden the bet that 10 \ % of paid for demand is not longer good enough - and you need 20 \ % , you have a major problem .
B/c the equations tell you that the 10 \ % is good enough , but now users are asking for 20 \ % .
You do n't have all your users on the network but your demand and provisioning looks okay , until they all jump on .
Honestly , they just need to provision 100 \ % of what users are paying for ; and figure out the growth rate and provision accordingly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If a network is not fully loaded, it's hard to know exactly how much demand is out there.Remember, ISPs (of which AT&amp;T is one) take a bet that their users will never use 100\% of their paid for bandwidth.
Thus they base the network capacity on the usage demand, and try to provision only as much as they absolutely have to.
This is why ISPs hate Net Neutrality - b/c they wouldn't be able to continue playing these games and get away with it.
In this light, where demand determines how much actually gets provisioned, it makes sense.
If max demand is 100, but only represents 10\% of paid for demand, then that's all you need.
If all of a sudden the bet that 10\% of paid for demand is not longer good enough - and you need 20\%, you have a major problem.
B/c the equations tell you that the 10\% is good enough, but now users are asking for 20\%.
You don't have all your users on the network but your demand and provisioning looks okay, until they all jump on.
Honestly, they just need to provision 100\% of what users are paying for; and figure out the growth rate and provision accordingly.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007064</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007788</id>
	<title>Re:4932\% Growth - Imagine That</title>
	<author>TooMuchToDo</author>
	<datestamp>1257536340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Urban cell towers usually get fiber backhauls, but rural and sometimes even suburban towers usually have either T1 backhauls or microwave back to an aggregation point.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Urban cell towers usually get fiber backhauls , but rural and sometimes even suburban towers usually have either T1 backhauls or microwave back to an aggregation point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Urban cell towers usually get fiber backhauls, but rural and sometimes even suburban towers usually have either T1 backhauls or microwave back to an aggregation point.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007486</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30012096</id>
	<title>Re:Not a network admin, is he?</title>
	<author>R3d M3rcury</author>
	<datestamp>1257522000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Had you excercised proper engineering methodology, you would have known to test each product/application being put on the network in test markets and used the use data to predict what the peak would be, and then only deploy it when you had a 20-50\% greater capacity than what the data suggests.</p></div><p>Oh yeah.  Apple would have really gone for that.</p><p>"Here's a bunch of iPhones 6 months before we release them.  Send them around the country to your employees and let them try them out and make sure your network doesn't choke.  But--shhhh--don't tell anybody you have them because we like doing big secret announcements."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Had you excercised proper engineering methodology , you would have known to test each product/application being put on the network in test markets and used the use data to predict what the peak would be , and then only deploy it when you had a 20-50 \ % greater capacity than what the data suggests.Oh yeah .
Apple would have really gone for that .
" Here 's a bunch of iPhones 6 months before we release them .
Send them around the country to your employees and let them try them out and make sure your network does n't choke .
But--shhhh--do n't tell anybody you have them because we like doing big secret announcements .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Had you excercised proper engineering methodology, you would have known to test each product/application being put on the network in test markets and used the use data to predict what the peak would be, and then only deploy it when you had a 20-50\% greater capacity than what the data suggests.Oh yeah.
Apple would have really gone for that.
"Here's a bunch of iPhones 6 months before we release them.
Send them around the country to your employees and let them try them out and make sure your network doesn't choke.
But--shhhh--don't tell anybody you have them because we like doing big secret announcements.
"
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007420</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30019318</id>
	<title>signed up and canceled within 30 days</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257616980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I signed up for one of the USB mercury datacards so I could have Internet access from anywhere ATT's network was.<br>This is in Los Angeles. The 3 places I tried to use it, either the signal was soo poor, or I kept getting disconnected.<br>The sales rep assured me this wouldn't happen since I get to use all "10" data channels versus those iPhone users who only get 5.</p><p>Didn't work for me, so I returned it. Now I need to find another usb card for my wireless access.<br>Verizon? Sprint? Tmobile?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I signed up for one of the USB mercury datacards so I could have Internet access from anywhere ATT 's network was.This is in Los Angeles .
The 3 places I tried to use it , either the signal was soo poor , or I kept getting disconnected.The sales rep assured me this would n't happen since I get to use all " 10 " data channels versus those iPhone users who only get 5.Did n't work for me , so I returned it .
Now I need to find another usb card for my wireless access.Verizon ?
Sprint ? Tmobile ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I signed up for one of the USB mercury datacards so I could have Internet access from anywhere ATT's network was.This is in Los Angeles.
The 3 places I tried to use it, either the signal was soo poor, or I kept getting disconnected.The sales rep assured me this wouldn't happen since I get to use all "10" data channels versus those iPhone users who only get 5.Didn't work for me, so I returned it.
Now I need to find another usb card for my wireless access.Verizon?
Sprint? Tmobile?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30008312</id>
	<title>screw at&amp;t</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257539160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They're a bloated company that needs to be split again.  I hate saying something like that, but my recent experiences at two different locations with their phone/internet service leads me to believe theyre bumbling idiots that cant get the different depts of their company to work together.</p><p>When you pay for a phone line to be reactivated, it needs to be reactivated, not sit idle for a week. The line is\_only\_ used for DSL purposes.  I waited a week for my DSL provider to reactivate the line, cause they say it takes that long to send the disconnect / reconnect orders to AT&amp;T.   I waited.  And found out the line wasnt going back up, because AT&amp;T screwed up.  Got it taken care of, but thats just annoying..</p><p>At another location, a sales rep called and said the "contract" needed to be re-negotiated.  It was learned a week and a half later, after internet services on that line -- which have two active voice lines, its a BUSINESS -- slowly degraded, and they tried running the poor woman through some lame steps, I got there and talked to a rep myself and they said "Oh, you've got some sync issues, we'll send a tech out" and then promptly gave me the "If its external, its free of charge, if its internal, you pay" b.s. line...  Turns out the idiot AT&amp;T sales rep sold a speed upgrade that ISNT AVAILABLE in the area this client does business...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're a bloated company that needs to be split again .
I hate saying something like that , but my recent experiences at two different locations with their phone/internet service leads me to believe theyre bumbling idiots that cant get the different depts of their company to work together.When you pay for a phone line to be reactivated , it needs to be reactivated , not sit idle for a week .
The line is \ _only \ _ used for DSL purposes .
I waited a week for my DSL provider to reactivate the line , cause they say it takes that long to send the disconnect / reconnect orders to AT&amp;T .
I waited .
And found out the line wasnt going back up , because AT&amp;T screwed up .
Got it taken care of , but thats just annoying..At another location , a sales rep called and said the " contract " needed to be re-negotiated .
It was learned a week and a half later , after internet services on that line -- which have two active voice lines , its a BUSINESS -- slowly degraded , and they tried running the poor woman through some lame steps , I got there and talked to a rep myself and they said " Oh , you 've got some sync issues , we 'll send a tech out " and then promptly gave me the " If its external , its free of charge , if its internal , you pay " b.s .
line... Turns out the idiot AT&amp;T sales rep sold a speed upgrade that ISNT AVAILABLE in the area this client does business.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're a bloated company that needs to be split again.
I hate saying something like that, but my recent experiences at two different locations with their phone/internet service leads me to believe theyre bumbling idiots that cant get the different depts of their company to work together.When you pay for a phone line to be reactivated, it needs to be reactivated, not sit idle for a week.
The line is\_only\_ used for DSL purposes.
I waited a week for my DSL provider to reactivate the line, cause they say it takes that long to send the disconnect / reconnect orders to AT&amp;T.
I waited.
And found out the line wasnt going back up, because AT&amp;T screwed up.
Got it taken care of, but thats just annoying..At another location, a sales rep called and said the "contract" needed to be re-negotiated.
It was learned a week and a half later, after internet services on that line -- which have two active voice lines, its a BUSINESS -- slowly degraded, and they tried running the poor woman through some lame steps, I got there and talked to a rep myself and they said "Oh, you've got some sync issues, we'll send a tech out" and then promptly gave me the "If its external, its free of charge, if its internal, you pay" b.s.
line...  Turns out the idiot AT&amp;T sales rep sold a speed upgrade that ISNT AVAILABLE in the area this client does business...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30008384</id>
	<title>San Francisco...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257539400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wow, if this is true "AT&amp;T is in the midst of leveraging its prime 850MHz radio spectrum for 3G in San Francisco, a step that is 90 percent complete, Donovan said." then they have a long way to go. <br> <br>

I just actually canceled my AT&amp;T service after a few years of having absolutely godawful service in downtown SF, and I can tell you that from my perspective NO improvement has been made PERIOD.<br> <br>

This is the biggest load of BS I've read in a long time. They have no clue on how to fix this, and people in my office (including myself) have been able to cancel contracts without an early termination fee because they KNOW their service sucks.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , if this is true " AT&amp;T is in the midst of leveraging its prime 850MHz radio spectrum for 3G in San Francisco , a step that is 90 percent complete , Donovan said .
" then they have a long way to go .
I just actually canceled my AT&amp;T service after a few years of having absolutely godawful service in downtown SF , and I can tell you that from my perspective NO improvement has been made PERIOD .
This is the biggest load of BS I 've read in a long time .
They have no clue on how to fix this , and people in my office ( including myself ) have been able to cancel contracts without an early termination fee because they KNOW their service sucks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, if this is true "AT&amp;T is in the midst of leveraging its prime 850MHz radio spectrum for 3G in San Francisco, a step that is 90 percent complete, Donovan said.
" then they have a long way to go.
I just actually canceled my AT&amp;T service after a few years of having absolutely godawful service in downtown SF, and I can tell you that from my perspective NO improvement has been made PERIOD.
This is the biggest load of BS I've read in a long time.
They have no clue on how to fix this, and people in my office (including myself) have been able to cancel contracts without an early termination fee because they KNOW their service sucks.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007844</id>
	<title>Ahh the good old days ...</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1257536820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What I wouldn't give to go back to when 'Its hard!' was not a valid excuse for not doing your job.</p><p>Its our own fault for not demanding better service.  2 year contracts let them get by with murder since you can't just jump ship and go to the better provider.  While its not enforcing a monopoly, its certain promoting bad service and limiting consumer choice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What I would n't give to go back to when 'Its hard !
' was not a valid excuse for not doing your job.Its our own fault for not demanding better service .
2 year contracts let them get by with murder since you ca n't just jump ship and go to the better provider .
While its not enforcing a monopoly , its certain promoting bad service and limiting consumer choice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What I wouldn't give to go back to when 'Its hard!
' was not a valid excuse for not doing your job.Its our own fault for not demanding better service.
2 year contracts let them get by with murder since you can't just jump ship and go to the better provider.
While its not enforcing a monopoly, its certain promoting bad service and limiting consumer choice.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007456</id>
	<title>Re:4932\% Growth - Imagine That</title>
	<author>Penguinisto</author>
	<datestamp>1257534480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Err, Verizon has been making advertising gold out of it. Note that I'm not a fan of Verizon, but the "there's a map for that" commercials have to be striking a bad chord over at AT&amp;T headquarters right about now...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Err , Verizon has been making advertising gold out of it .
Note that I 'm not a fan of Verizon , but the " there 's a map for that " commercials have to be striking a bad chord over at AT&amp;T headquarters right about now.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Err, Verizon has been making advertising gold out of it.
Note that I'm not a fan of Verizon, but the "there's a map for that" commercials have to be striking a bad chord over at AT&amp;T headquarters right about now...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007068</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007568</id>
	<title>Re:Bullshit</title>
	<author>interkin3tic</author>
	<datestamp>1257535140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is the typical, in this case subtle (but in other cases not subtle) blaming of the consumer for overusing network resources beyond some mythical "reasonable/predictable" amount that service providers cling to in rationalizing their retarded infrastructure expansion plans.</p></div><p>Indeed, it's telling that THEY HAVEN'T STOPPED ADVERTISING.</p><p>Car metaphor: you're a car dealership.  You run some ads in which you say "Buy our cars: we have them to sell", and then you sell all the cars you have.  Do you<br>A: Order more cars to sell<br>B: Stop running the ads, since, no, you don't have cars to sell<br>C: Complain about customers buying your product faster than you expected while still running the ads and not buying more cars</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is the typical , in this case subtle ( but in other cases not subtle ) blaming of the consumer for overusing network resources beyond some mythical " reasonable/predictable " amount that service providers cling to in rationalizing their retarded infrastructure expansion plans.Indeed , it 's telling that THEY HAVE N'T STOPPED ADVERTISING.Car metaphor : you 're a car dealership .
You run some ads in which you say " Buy our cars : we have them to sell " , and then you sell all the cars you have .
Do youA : Order more cars to sellB : Stop running the ads , since , no , you do n't have cars to sellC : Complain about customers buying your product faster than you expected while still running the ads and not buying more cars</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is the typical, in this case subtle (but in other cases not subtle) blaming of the consumer for overusing network resources beyond some mythical "reasonable/predictable" amount that service providers cling to in rationalizing their retarded infrastructure expansion plans.Indeed, it's telling that THEY HAVEN'T STOPPED ADVERTISING.Car metaphor: you're a car dealership.
You run some ads in which you say "Buy our cars: we have them to sell", and then you sell all the cars you have.
Do youA: Order more cars to sellB: Stop running the ads, since, no, you don't have cars to sellC: Complain about customers buying your product faster than you expected while still running the ads and not buying more cars
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007120</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007068</id>
	<title>4932\% Growth - Imagine That</title>
	<author>Technomonics</author>
	<datestamp>1257532020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>And if they didnt sign the exclusive deal with Apple, what do you think that growth would have been?  Just saying they are complaining all the way to the bank on this one.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And if they didnt sign the exclusive deal with Apple , what do you think that growth would have been ?
Just saying they are complaining all the way to the bank on this one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And if they didnt sign the exclusive deal with Apple, what do you think that growth would have been?
Just saying they are complaining all the way to the bank on this one.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_06_1616208.30007580</id>
	<title>Just another group of clueless execs</title>
	<author>Vermyndax</author>
	<datestamp>1257535260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds like just another group of clueless executives in the communications/IT industry.  All they saw was dollar signs with this agreement with Apple.  They had no idea of the impact on their network.</p><p>Just another day in the IT industry.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like just another group of clueless executives in the communications/IT industry .
All they saw was dollar signs with this agreement with Apple .
They had no idea of the impact on their network.Just another day in the IT industry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like just another group of clueless executives in the communications/IT industry.
All they saw was dollar signs with this agreement with Apple.
They had no idea of the impact on their network.Just another day in the IT industry.</sentencetext>
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	<title>lol</title>
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	<htmltext><p>Or you could just purchase the iphone outright with no plan and jailbreak it, put it on your verizon plan and have 3G coverage all over the country and laugh as you do things twice as fast as the phone next to you for less a month.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or you could just purchase the iphone outright with no plan and jailbreak it , put it on your verizon plan and have 3G coverage all over the country and laugh as you do things twice as fast as the phone next to you for less a month .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or you could just purchase the iphone outright with no plan and jailbreak it, put it on your verizon plan and have 3G coverage all over the country and laugh as you do things twice as fast as the phone next to you for less a month.</sentencetext>
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