<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_05_1853242</id>
	<title>Shockwave Vulnerabilities Affect More Than 450 Million Systems</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1257448440000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Trinity writes <i>"Researchers from VUPEN have discovered <a href="http://www.vupen.com/english/advisories/2009/3134">critical</a> <a href="http://www.adobe.com/support/security/bulletins/apsb09-16.html">vulnerabilities</a> in Adobe Shockwave, a technology installed on over 450 million Internet-enabled desktops. The vulnerabilities could allow remote code execution by tricking a user into visiting a web page using Internet Explorer or even Mozilla Firefox. Version 11.5.1.601 as well as earlier ones are affected. The vendor recommends upgrading to version 11.5.1.602."</i> Especially sobering when you consider Adobe's current push to be essentially required as an <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/10/31/128236/Adobe-Pushing-For-Flash-and-PDF-In-Open-Government-Initiative">intermediary player for anyone who wants to see certain government data</a>.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Trinity writes " Researchers from VUPEN have discovered critical vulnerabilities in Adobe Shockwave , a technology installed on over 450 million Internet-enabled desktops .
The vulnerabilities could allow remote code execution by tricking a user into visiting a web page using Internet Explorer or even Mozilla Firefox .
Version 11.5.1.601 as well as earlier ones are affected .
The vendor recommends upgrading to version 11.5.1.602 .
" Especially sobering when you consider Adobe 's current push to be essentially required as an intermediary player for anyone who wants to see certain government data .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Trinity writes "Researchers from VUPEN have discovered critical vulnerabilities in Adobe Shockwave, a technology installed on over 450 million Internet-enabled desktops.
The vulnerabilities could allow remote code execution by tricking a user into visiting a web page using Internet Explorer or even Mozilla Firefox.
Version 11.5.1.601 as well as earlier ones are affected.
The vendor recommends upgrading to version 11.5.1.602.
" Especially sobering when you consider Adobe's current push to be essentially required as an intermediary player for anyone who wants to see certain government data.</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29998320</id>
	<title>Hard to care anymore</title>
	<author>belthize</author>
	<datestamp>1257452880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I find it harder and harder to really give a shit anymore.  All of our systems (linux, Windows<nobr> <wbr></nobr>,OSX) all have various automatic patching schemes.  Once the vendor gets around to fixing their crap (Adobe in this case) we'll ingest the patch and move on.</p><p>Once upon a time I monitored the various security announcement lists but ultimately it didn't matter.  Most of this crap has become mission critical so turning it off isn't an option, fixing it yourself is rarely and option so you're left with wait and patch solution.</p><p>I guess it's kind of free'ing.  I no longer stress about it and focus on more relevant issues.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I find it harder and harder to really give a shit anymore .
All of our systems ( linux , Windows ,OSX ) all have various automatic patching schemes .
Once the vendor gets around to fixing their crap ( Adobe in this case ) we 'll ingest the patch and move on.Once upon a time I monitored the various security announcement lists but ultimately it did n't matter .
Most of this crap has become mission critical so turning it off is n't an option , fixing it yourself is rarely and option so you 're left with wait and patch solution.I guess it 's kind of free'ing .
I no longer stress about it and focus on more relevant issues .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I find it harder and harder to really give a shit anymore.
All of our systems (linux, Windows ,OSX) all have various automatic patching schemes.
Once the vendor gets around to fixing their crap (Adobe in this case) we'll ingest the patch and move on.Once upon a time I monitored the various security announcement lists but ultimately it didn't matter.
Most of this crap has become mission critical so turning it off isn't an option, fixing it yourself is rarely and option so you're left with wait and patch solution.I guess it's kind of free'ing.
I no longer stress about it and focus on more relevant issues.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29998898</id>
	<title>China, North Korea, and even Iran's</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257412320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Firewall will have more uses than is obvious. While you can keep citizens from contacting others, you can also launch an attack on systems the world over and yet, protect your systems. I hope that the western nations are thinking this through.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Firewall will have more uses than is obvious .
While you can keep citizens from contacting others , you can also launch an attack on systems the world over and yet , protect your systems .
I hope that the western nations are thinking this through .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Firewall will have more uses than is obvious.
While you can keep citizens from contacting others, you can also launch an attack on systems the world over and yet, protect your systems.
I hope that the western nations are thinking this through.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29998392</id>
	<title>NoScript</title>
	<author>Itninja</author>
	<datestamp>1257453240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>That will take the "or even Mozilla Firefox" right out of there. Never use a browser developed by an organization that makes it's money directly from pushing ads on you. They disallow plug-ins like this.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That will take the " or even Mozilla Firefox " right out of there .
Never use a browser developed by an organization that makes it 's money directly from pushing ads on you .
They disallow plug-ins like this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That will take the "or even Mozilla Firefox" right out of there.
Never use a browser developed by an organization that makes it's money directly from pushing ads on you.
They disallow plug-ins like this.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29998192</id>
	<title>But there's already a patch</title>
	<author>pdclarry</author>
	<datestamp>1257452460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As there are over a billion computers with Windows vulnerabilities and countless other "at risk" applications that get patched regularly this doesn't sound like a situation all that out of the ordinary. And as with Windows some users will update and some will remain at risk.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As there are over a billion computers with Windows vulnerabilities and countless other " at risk " applications that get patched regularly this does n't sound like a situation all that out of the ordinary .
And as with Windows some users will update and some will remain at risk .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As there are over a billion computers with Windows vulnerabilities and countless other "at risk" applications that get patched regularly this doesn't sound like a situation all that out of the ordinary.
And as with Windows some users will update and some will remain at risk.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.30001186</id>
	<title>Re:If you get an error installing Shockwave...</title>
	<author>blincoln</author>
	<datestamp>1257422280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>And I want to run an application that executes in its data area why?</i></p><p>There are two kinds of "DEP" in Windows - hardware DEP, and software "DEP". The software "DEP" is not literally "data execution prevention", it involves blocking the use of exceptions which aren't registered in a global table, or something along those lines. Yes, software that violates it is probably not great, but sometimes an alternative isn't available.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And I want to run an application that executes in its data area why ? There are two kinds of " DEP " in Windows - hardware DEP , and software " DEP " .
The software " DEP " is not literally " data execution prevention " , it involves blocking the use of exceptions which are n't registered in a global table , or something along those lines .
Yes , software that violates it is probably not great , but sometimes an alternative is n't available .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And I want to run an application that executes in its data area why?There are two kinds of "DEP" in Windows - hardware DEP, and software "DEP".
The software "DEP" is not literally "data execution prevention", it involves blocking the use of exceptions which aren't registered in a global table, or something along those lines.
Yes, software that violates it is probably not great, but sometimes an alternative isn't available.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29998600</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29998294</id>
	<title>Does this really need to be discussed?</title>
	<author>BattleApple</author>
	<datestamp>1257452760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You could pretty much take any two security issue threads on here, swap the comments section, and never know the difference.<br>
<br>
Software has bugs.<br>
Some of them are security issues.<br>
They get discovered.<br>
They (usually) get fixed.<br>
<br>
What's there to talk about?</htmltext>
<tokenext>You could pretty much take any two security issue threads on here , swap the comments section , and never know the difference .
Software has bugs .
Some of them are security issues .
They get discovered .
They ( usually ) get fixed .
What 's there to talk about ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could pretty much take any two security issue threads on here, swap the comments section, and never know the difference.
Software has bugs.
Some of them are security issues.
They get discovered.
They (usually) get fixed.
What's there to talk about?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29998922</id>
	<title>Government not using Shockwave... ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257412380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Especially sobering when you consider Adobe's current push to be essentially required as an intermediary player for anyone who wants to see certain government data.</p></div><p>Adobe is pushing for <b>Flash</b> and PDF... not Shockwave and PDF...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Especially sobering when you consider Adobe 's current push to be essentially required as an intermediary player for anyone who wants to see certain government data.Adobe is pushing for Flash and PDF... not Shockwave and PDF.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Especially sobering when you consider Adobe's current push to be essentially required as an intermediary player for anyone who wants to see certain government data.Adobe is pushing for Flash and PDF... not Shockwave and PDF...
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29998270</id>
	<title>Just in case...</title>
	<author>Borommakot\_15</author>
	<datestamp>1257452760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I went ahead and updated, just in case, before too many<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. readers do, all at once.  =P</htmltext>
<tokenext>I went ahead and updated , just in case , before too many / .
readers do , all at once .
= P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I went ahead and updated, just in case, before too many /.
readers do, all at once.
=P</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29999946</id>
	<title>This is not the same thing as flash player...</title>
	<author>mario\_grgic</author>
	<datestamp>1257416580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>IF you look in Firefox add-ons/plugins it will be listed as</p><p>"Shockwave for Director 11.5.2.602"</p><p>whereas regular flash player is listed as</p><p>"Shockwave Flash 10.0.32.18"</p><p>I don't think 450,000,000 desktops out there have a shockwave player installed? I doubt it is that popular.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>IF you look in Firefox add-ons/plugins it will be listed as " Shockwave for Director 11.5.2.602 " whereas regular flash player is listed as " Shockwave Flash 10.0.32.18 " I do n't think 450,000,000 desktops out there have a shockwave player installed ?
I doubt it is that popular .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IF you look in Firefox add-ons/plugins it will be listed as"Shockwave for Director 11.5.2.602"whereas regular flash player is listed as"Shockwave Flash 10.0.32.18"I don't think 450,000,000 desktops out there have a shockwave player installed?
I doubt it is that popular.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.30000066</id>
	<title>Re:If you get an error installing Shockwave...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257417060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>love that!<br>makes installing binary blob drivers in debian sound like a breeze</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>love that ! makes installing binary blob drivers in debian sound like a breeze</tokentext>
<sentencetext>love that!makes installing binary blob drivers in debian sound like a breeze</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29998450</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29999044</id>
	<title>Are their FOSS alternatives to Flash and Shockwave</title>
	<author>AP31R0N</author>
	<datestamp>1257412800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1) Are there FOSS alternatives to Flash and/or Shockwave?</p><p>2) Why(not)?</p><p>3) If there was, would it help reduce problems like this?</p><p>Please don't mod me as trolling for asking questions!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) Are there FOSS alternatives to Flash and/or Shockwave ? 2 ) Why ( not ) ? 3 ) If there was , would it help reduce problems like this ? Please do n't mod me as trolling for asking questions !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1) Are there FOSS alternatives to Flash and/or Shockwave?2) Why(not)?3) If there was, would it help reduce problems like this?Please don't mod me as trolling for asking questions!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29999652</id>
	<title>the joy of learned helplessness</title>
	<author>epine</author>
	<datestamp>1257415260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Would you believe, that's the second biggest rootkit I've ever seen?</p><blockquote><div><p>I guess it's kind of free'ing. I no longer stress about it and focus on more relevant issues</p></div></blockquote><p>Pretty much where I'm at while I continue to throw good coin at my local robocall entitlement company and diligently recycle dead trees hand delivered by my local robomail entitlement crown corp.  There used to be a number of disposable single blade razors that worked well for me, all since driven out of the market.  Now I lease my triple-blade manhood from Warren Buffett at triple the price.</p><p>Ah yes, the old "and loving it" trick.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Would you believe , that 's the second biggest rootkit I 've ever seen ? I guess it 's kind of free'ing .
I no longer stress about it and focus on more relevant issuesPretty much where I 'm at while I continue to throw good coin at my local robocall entitlement company and diligently recycle dead trees hand delivered by my local robomail entitlement crown corp. There used to be a number of disposable single blade razors that worked well for me , all since driven out of the market .
Now I lease my triple-blade manhood from Warren Buffett at triple the price.Ah yes , the old " and loving it " trick .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would you believe, that's the second biggest rootkit I've ever seen?I guess it's kind of free'ing.
I no longer stress about it and focus on more relevant issuesPretty much where I'm at while I continue to throw good coin at my local robocall entitlement company and diligently recycle dead trees hand delivered by my local robomail entitlement crown corp.  There used to be a number of disposable single blade razors that worked well for me, all since driven out of the market.
Now I lease my triple-blade manhood from Warren Buffett at triple the price.Ah yes, the old "and loving it" trick.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29998320</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.30003100</id>
	<title>Slight delay....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257444060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>At the rate the RDBMS is moving right now - those updated Shockwave reports will not be up until tomorrow.  That happens a lot with mediocre hardware and millions upon millions of rows to process.  It seems like only yesterday I thought those servers were really fast....</htmltext>
<tokenext>At the rate the RDBMS is moving right now - those updated Shockwave reports will not be up until tomorrow .
That happens a lot with mediocre hardware and millions upon millions of rows to process .
It seems like only yesterday I thought those servers were really fast... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At the rate the RDBMS is moving right now - those updated Shockwave reports will not be up until tomorrow.
That happens a lot with mediocre hardware and millions upon millions of rows to process.
It seems like only yesterday I thought those servers were really fast....</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29999618</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29998256</id>
	<title>Let's Clear the Confusion off the bat</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257452700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is not related to Flash Player, this is in regards to Shockwave Player.
<br>
<br>
Frankly I am really surprised devs still use Shockwave and people still install Shockwave Player.  I have not installed Shockwave player in years and never missed it.
<br>
<br>
The only reason to use Shockwave in the past was that it was scriptable. Flash has been scriptable since version 5</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is not related to Flash Player , this is in regards to Shockwave Player .
Frankly I am really surprised devs still use Shockwave and people still install Shockwave Player .
I have not installed Shockwave player in years and never missed it .
The only reason to use Shockwave in the past was that it was scriptable .
Flash has been scriptable since version 5</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is not related to Flash Player, this is in regards to Shockwave Player.
Frankly I am really surprised devs still use Shockwave and people still install Shockwave Player.
I have not installed Shockwave player in years and never missed it.
The only reason to use Shockwave in the past was that it was scriptable.
Flash has been scriptable since version 5</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29998598</id>
	<title>Re:If you get an error installing Shockwave...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257454140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ummm, why not use the simple right-click "my computer" and turn DEP off (or just add a DEP exception) instead of editing a text file?</p><p><i>If you're having problems installing the updated Shockwave player, it may be because you have Data Execution Prevention enabled.</i></p><p><i>To disable:<br>Look in the root of your C: drive for boot.ini.<br>Start a command line. Attrib c:\boot.ini -r -a -s -h<br>Edit boot.ini (In notepad)<br>Look for "noexecute=optin" and change it to "noexecute=AlwaysOff" (don't add or remove any spaces, line breaks, etc)<br>Save boot.ini.<br>In the command window type attrib c:\boot.ini +r +a +s +h<br>Reboot. DEP is now disabled.<br>Install the Shockwave Player update.</i></p><p><i>Re-edit boot.ini to re-enable Data Execution Prevention, and reboot once again.</i></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ummm , why not use the simple right-click " my computer " and turn DEP off ( or just add a DEP exception ) instead of editing a text file ? If you 're having problems installing the updated Shockwave player , it may be because you have Data Execution Prevention enabled.To disable : Look in the root of your C : drive for boot.ini.Start a command line .
Attrib c : \ boot.ini -r -a -s -hEdit boot.ini ( In notepad ) Look for " noexecute = optin " and change it to " noexecute = AlwaysOff " ( do n't add or remove any spaces , line breaks , etc ) Save boot.ini.In the command window type attrib c : \ boot.ini + r + a + s + hReboot .
DEP is now disabled.Install the Shockwave Player update.Re-edit boot.ini to re-enable Data Execution Prevention , and reboot once again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ummm, why not use the simple right-click "my computer" and turn DEP off (or just add a DEP exception) instead of editing a text file?If you're having problems installing the updated Shockwave player, it may be because you have Data Execution Prevention enabled.To disable:Look in the root of your C: drive for boot.ini.Start a command line.
Attrib c:\boot.ini -r -a -s -hEdit boot.ini (In notepad)Look for "noexecute=optin" and change it to "noexecute=AlwaysOff" (don't add or remove any spaces, line breaks, etc)Save boot.ini.In the command window type attrib c:\boot.ini +r +a +s +hReboot.
DEP is now disabled.Install the Shockwave Player update.Re-edit boot.ini to re-enable Data Execution Prevention, and reboot once again.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29998450</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.30000482</id>
	<title>Re:If you get an error installing Shockwave...</title>
	<author>operagost</author>
	<datestamp>1257418980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So... why are you removing the "archive" attribute?  Just like that doing that spells the word "rash"?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So... why are you removing the " archive " attribute ?
Just like that doing that spells the word " rash " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So... why are you removing the "archive" attribute?
Just like that doing that spells the word "rash"?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29998450</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.30000040</id>
	<title>Anyone else have a problem after updating?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257416940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Rolled this out to a small lab (you know how students are, and where they can go, better safe than...).</p><p>After installation, *all* users are asked to individually install another component when the Shock embed in the open page attempts to play  (which as non-admins, they can't do).  Since several of our teaching programs Shockwave this presents a real PITA.</p><p>Previously there was no such behavior.  Any ideas?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Rolled this out to a small lab ( you know how students are , and where they can go , better safe than... ) .After installation , * all * users are asked to individually install another component when the Shock embed in the open page attempts to play ( which as non-admins , they ca n't do ) .
Since several of our teaching programs Shockwave this presents a real PITA.Previously there was no such behavior .
Any ideas ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rolled this out to a small lab (you know how students are, and where they can go, better safe than...).After installation, *all* users are asked to individually install another component when the Shock embed in the open page attempts to play  (which as non-admins, they can't do).
Since several of our teaching programs Shockwave this presents a real PITA.Previously there was no such behavior.
Any ideas?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.30000726</id>
	<title>Re:If you get an error installing Shockwave...</title>
	<author>EXrider</author>
	<datestamp>1257420060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It needs to execute code from the data segment to install!?  What a piece!  Just un-install it and be done with it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It needs to execute code from the data segment to install ! ?
What a piece !
Just un-install it and be done with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It needs to execute code from the data segment to install!?
What a piece!
Just un-install it and be done with it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29998450</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29998146</id>
	<title>Flashblock</title>
	<author>sakdoctor</author>
	<datestamp>1257452280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not just a good idea. It's the law.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not just a good idea .
It 's the law .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not just a good idea.
It's the law.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29999618</id>
	<title>Here are the shockwave stats - could be a problem</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257415140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ok, I just compiled some stats on Shockwave version plugin distribution using roughly 30 million unique data points from July 1 of this year until about a week ago - here is roughly the distribution (includes IE/FF/etc. - all major browsers):</p><p>

Not installed =&gt;   67.54\%  <br>
11,0,0,0      =&gt;   2.86\%   <br>
10,2,0,0      =&gt;   2.84\%   <br>
10,1,0,0      =&gt;   2.59\%   <br>
11,0,0,465    =&gt;   2.41\%   <br>
11,5,0,0      =&gt;   2.05\%   <br>
11,5,1,601    =&gt;   1.90\%   <br>
8,5,1,0       =&gt;   1.75\%   <br>
10,1,4,0      =&gt;   1.73\%   <br>
11,0,0,429    =&gt;   1.58\%   <br>
11,0,3,472    =&gt;   1.56\%   <br>
10,1,1,0      =&gt;   1.53\%   <br>
11,5,0,596    =&gt;   1.46\%   <br>
11,5,0,600    =&gt;   1.38\%   <br>
11,0,3,471    =&gt;   1.35\%   <br>
11,5,0,595    =&gt;   1.21\%   <br>
11,0,0,458    =&gt;   0.93\%   <br>
10,3,0,0      =&gt;   0.78\%   <br>
11,0,3,470    =&gt;   0.66\%   <br>
8,0,0,0       =&gt;   0.43\%   <br>
10,1,3,0      =&gt;   0.37\%   <br>
8,5,0,0       =&gt;   0.32\%   <br>
11,0,3,0      =&gt;   0.23\%   <br>
10,0,0,0      =&gt;   0.16\%   <br>
10,0,1,0      =&gt;   0.11\%   <br>
7,0,0,0       =&gt;   0.10\%   <br>
11,5,1,0      =&gt;   0.08\%   <br>
10,4,0,0      =&gt;   0.04\%   <br>
6,0,0,0       =&gt;   0.03\%</p><p>
What is potentially troubling is that there does not appear to be much in the way of upgrade movement in Shockwave installs.  So if "Adobe Shockwave Player versions prior to 11.5.2.602" are truly at risk, we are talking about 30\% of web users roughly.</p><p>
I will publish a more in-depth report later today here: <a href="http://www.statowl.com/" title="statowl.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.statowl.com/</a> [statowl.com] in the <a href="http://www.statowl.com/plugin\_overview.php" title="statowl.com" rel="nofollow">plugin section</a> [statowl.com].  I have been neglecting that site anyways - time to update the stats - the past three month are absent - sigh....
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok , I just compiled some stats on Shockwave version plugin distribution using roughly 30 million unique data points from July 1 of this year until about a week ago - here is roughly the distribution ( includes IE/FF/etc .
- all major browsers ) : Not installed = &gt; 67.54 \ % 11,0,0,0 = &gt; 2.86 \ % 10,2,0,0 = &gt; 2.84 \ % 10,1,0,0 = &gt; 2.59 \ % 11,0,0,465 = &gt; 2.41 \ % 11,5,0,0 = &gt; 2.05 \ % 11,5,1,601 = &gt; 1.90 \ % 8,5,1,0 = &gt; 1.75 \ % 10,1,4,0 = &gt; 1.73 \ % 11,0,0,429 = &gt; 1.58 \ % 11,0,3,472 = &gt; 1.56 \ % 10,1,1,0 = &gt; 1.53 \ % 11,5,0,596 = &gt; 1.46 \ % 11,5,0,600 = &gt; 1.38 \ % 11,0,3,471 = &gt; 1.35 \ % 11,5,0,595 = &gt; 1.21 \ % 11,0,0,458 = &gt; 0.93 \ % 10,3,0,0 = &gt; 0.78 \ % 11,0,3,470 = &gt; 0.66 \ % 8,0,0,0 = &gt; 0.43 \ % 10,1,3,0 = &gt; 0.37 \ % 8,5,0,0 = &gt; 0.32 \ % 11,0,3,0 = &gt; 0.23 \ % 10,0,0,0 = &gt; 0.16 \ % 10,0,1,0 = &gt; 0.11 \ % 7,0,0,0 = &gt; 0.10 \ % 11,5,1,0 = &gt; 0.08 \ % 10,4,0,0 = &gt; 0.04 \ % 6,0,0,0 = &gt; 0.03 \ % What is potentially troubling is that there does not appear to be much in the way of upgrade movement in Shockwave installs .
So if " Adobe Shockwave Player versions prior to 11.5.2.602 " are truly at risk , we are talking about 30 \ % of web users roughly .
I will publish a more in-depth report later today here : http : //www.statowl.com/ [ statowl.com ] in the plugin section [ statowl.com ] .
I have been neglecting that site anyways - time to update the stats - the past three month are absent - sigh... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok, I just compiled some stats on Shockwave version plugin distribution using roughly 30 million unique data points from July 1 of this year until about a week ago - here is roughly the distribution (includes IE/FF/etc.
- all major browsers):

Not installed =&gt;   67.54\%  
11,0,0,0      =&gt;   2.86\%   
10,2,0,0      =&gt;   2.84\%   
10,1,0,0      =&gt;   2.59\%   
11,0,0,465    =&gt;   2.41\%   
11,5,0,0      =&gt;   2.05\%   
11,5,1,601    =&gt;   1.90\%   
8,5,1,0       =&gt;   1.75\%   
10,1,4,0      =&gt;   1.73\%   
11,0,0,429    =&gt;   1.58\%   
11,0,3,472    =&gt;   1.56\%   
10,1,1,0      =&gt;   1.53\%   
11,5,0,596    =&gt;   1.46\%   
11,5,0,600    =&gt;   1.38\%   
11,0,3,471    =&gt;   1.35\%   
11,5,0,595    =&gt;   1.21\%   
11,0,0,458    =&gt;   0.93\%   
10,3,0,0      =&gt;   0.78\%   
11,0,3,470    =&gt;   0.66\%   
8,0,0,0       =&gt;   0.43\%   
10,1,3,0      =&gt;   0.37\%   
8,5,0,0       =&gt;   0.32\%   
11,0,3,0      =&gt;   0.23\%   
10,0,0,0      =&gt;   0.16\%   
10,0,1,0      =&gt;   0.11\%   
7,0,0,0       =&gt;   0.10\%   
11,5,1,0      =&gt;   0.08\%   
10,4,0,0      =&gt;   0.04\%   
6,0,0,0       =&gt;   0.03\%
What is potentially troubling is that there does not appear to be much in the way of upgrade movement in Shockwave installs.
So if "Adobe Shockwave Player versions prior to 11.5.2.602" are truly at risk, we are talking about 30\% of web users roughly.
I will publish a more in-depth report later today here: http://www.statowl.com/ [statowl.com] in the plugin section [statowl.com].
I have been neglecting that site anyways - time to update the stats - the past three month are absent - sigh....
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.30003672</id>
	<title>Re:Hard to care anymore</title>
	<author>Yvanhoe</author>
	<datestamp>1257540660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>MS won't patch it (not one of their softwares), Firefox will not upgrade it automatically (for a reason I fail to understand) as it is a plugin, Ubuntu doesn't have a patch yet. Maybe debian is up to date... But flash has been a pain in the neck as it almost always required me to care individually of it. However, because this kind of vulnerability has always been a risk, I am using Adblock+NoScript</htmltext>
<tokenext>MS wo n't patch it ( not one of their softwares ) , Firefox will not upgrade it automatically ( for a reason I fail to understand ) as it is a plugin , Ubuntu does n't have a patch yet .
Maybe debian is up to date... But flash has been a pain in the neck as it almost always required me to care individually of it .
However , because this kind of vulnerability has always been a risk , I am using Adblock + NoScript</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MS won't patch it (not one of their softwares), Firefox will not upgrade it automatically (for a reason I fail to understand) as it is a plugin, Ubuntu doesn't have a patch yet.
Maybe debian is up to date... But flash has been a pain in the neck as it almost always required me to care individually of it.
However, because this kind of vulnerability has always been a risk, I am using Adblock+NoScript</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29998320</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29999372</id>
	<title>People still use Shockwave?</title>
	<author>dandart</author>
	<datestamp>1257414180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm a Linux user, you insensitive clod!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a Linux user , you insensitive clod !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a Linux user, you insensitive clod!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29998790</id>
	<title>Holy crap! When did linux get here?</title>
	<author>Petersko</author>
	<datestamp>1257411780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>To disable:<br>
Look in the root of your C: drive for boot.ini.<br>
Start a command line. Attrib c:\boot.ini -r -a -s -h<br>
Edit boot.ini (In notepad)<br>
Look for "noexecute=optin" and change it to "noexecute=AlwaysOff" (don't add or remove any spaces, line breaks, etc)<br>
Save boot.ini.<br>
In the command window type attrib c:\boot.ini +r +a +s +h<br>
Reboot. DEP is now disabled.<br>
Install the Shockwave Player update.</i> <br> <br>

If I hadn't looked closely I would have assumed this was a relatively painless set of steps an end user would need for doing some workaround in linux.<br> <br>

Actually, adobe has pissed me off many times. Shockwave, in particular, is a bitch to remove because Adobe gets all funky with file permissions - unnecessarily.</htmltext>
<tokenext>To disable : Look in the root of your C : drive for boot.ini .
Start a command line .
Attrib c : \ boot.ini -r -a -s -h Edit boot.ini ( In notepad ) Look for " noexecute = optin " and change it to " noexecute = AlwaysOff " ( do n't add or remove any spaces , line breaks , etc ) Save boot.ini .
In the command window type attrib c : \ boot.ini + r + a + s + h Reboot .
DEP is now disabled .
Install the Shockwave Player update .
If I had n't looked closely I would have assumed this was a relatively painless set of steps an end user would need for doing some workaround in linux .
Actually , adobe has pissed me off many times .
Shockwave , in particular , is a bitch to remove because Adobe gets all funky with file permissions - unnecessarily .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To disable:
Look in the root of your C: drive for boot.ini.
Start a command line.
Attrib c:\boot.ini -r -a -s -h
Edit boot.ini (In notepad)
Look for "noexecute=optin" and change it to "noexecute=AlwaysOff" (don't add or remove any spaces, line breaks, etc)
Save boot.ini.
In the command window type attrib c:\boot.ini +r +a +s +h
Reboot.
DEP is now disabled.
Install the Shockwave Player update.
If I hadn't looked closely I would have assumed this was a relatively painless set of steps an end user would need for doing some workaround in linux.
Actually, adobe has pissed me off many times.
Shockwave, in particular, is a bitch to remove because Adobe gets all funky with file permissions - unnecessarily.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29998450</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29998450</id>
	<title>If you get an error installing Shockwave...</title>
	<author>ThreeGigs</author>
	<datestamp>1257453420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're having problems installing the updated Shockwave player, it may be because you have Data Execution Prevention enabled.</p><p>To disable:<br>Look in the root of your C: drive for boot.ini.<br>Start a command line. Attrib c:\boot.ini -r -a -s -h<br>Edit boot.ini (In notepad)<br>Look for "noexecute=optin" and change it to "noexecute=AlwaysOff" (don't add or remove any spaces, line breaks, etc)<br>Save boot.ini.<br>In the command window type attrib c:\boot.ini +r +a +s +h<br>Reboot. DEP is now disabled.<br>Install the Shockwave Player update.</p><p>Re-edit boot.ini to re-enable Data Execution Prevention, and reboot once again.</p><p>Alternatively you can save a copy of the edited boot.ini, set the attribs to +r +a +s +h, and rename as necessary in case (read: when) you need to disable DEP again in the future.</p><p>I figure a lot of users are going to have this problem (again), as Adobe still hasn't fixed this bug.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're having problems installing the updated Shockwave player , it may be because you have Data Execution Prevention enabled.To disable : Look in the root of your C : drive for boot.ini.Start a command line .
Attrib c : \ boot.ini -r -a -s -hEdit boot.ini ( In notepad ) Look for " noexecute = optin " and change it to " noexecute = AlwaysOff " ( do n't add or remove any spaces , line breaks , etc ) Save boot.ini.In the command window type attrib c : \ boot.ini + r + a + s + hReboot .
DEP is now disabled.Install the Shockwave Player update.Re-edit boot.ini to re-enable Data Execution Prevention , and reboot once again.Alternatively you can save a copy of the edited boot.ini , set the attribs to + r + a + s + h , and rename as necessary in case ( read : when ) you need to disable DEP again in the future.I figure a lot of users are going to have this problem ( again ) , as Adobe still has n't fixed this bug .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're having problems installing the updated Shockwave player, it may be because you have Data Execution Prevention enabled.To disable:Look in the root of your C: drive for boot.ini.Start a command line.
Attrib c:\boot.ini -r -a -s -hEdit boot.ini (In notepad)Look for "noexecute=optin" and change it to "noexecute=AlwaysOff" (don't add or remove any spaces, line breaks, etc)Save boot.ini.In the command window type attrib c:\boot.ini +r +a +s +hReboot.
DEP is now disabled.Install the Shockwave Player update.Re-edit boot.ini to re-enable Data Execution Prevention, and reboot once again.Alternatively you can save a copy of the edited boot.ini, set the attribs to +r +a +s +h, and rename as necessary in case (read: when) you need to disable DEP again in the future.I figure a lot of users are going to have this problem (again), as Adobe still hasn't fixed this bug.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29998688</id>
	<title>Re:If you get an error installing Shockwave...</title>
	<author>tokul</author>
	<datestamp>1257454500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>If you're having problems installing the updated Shockwave player, it may be because you have Data Execution Prevention enabled.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Even Windows thinks that Shockwave is malware.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're having problems installing the updated Shockwave player , it may be because you have Data Execution Prevention enabled .
Even Windows thinks that Shockwave is malware .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're having problems installing the updated Shockwave player, it may be because you have Data Execution Prevention enabled.
Even Windows thinks that Shockwave is malware.
:)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29998450</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.30000700</id>
	<title>*Title double-take*</title>
	<author>JeanPaulBob</author>
	<datestamp>1257420000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oh, so this <i>isn't</i> a story about astronomy... what a relief!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , so this is n't a story about astronomy... what a relief !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, so this isn't a story about astronomy... what a relief!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29999158</id>
	<title>Easy, permanent solution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257413280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Download the Shockwave software and run the UNinstall script.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Download the Shockwave software and run the UNinstall script .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Download the Shockwave software and run the UNinstall script.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29998570</id>
	<title>dumb users</title>
	<author>xxuserxx</author>
	<datestamp>1257454020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>To me this just seems like user stupidity.  You can have your computer hijacked a million different ways however if you pay attention to what you click you can avoid most.</htmltext>
<tokenext>To me this just seems like user stupidity .
You can have your computer hijacked a million different ways however if you pay attention to what you click you can avoid most .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To me this just seems like user stupidity.
You can have your computer hijacked a million different ways however if you pay attention to what you click you can avoid most.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29999114</id>
	<title>Re:no MSI installer yet</title>
	<author>clone53421</author>
	<datestamp>1257413100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So? This isn't Flash. You don't need it to visit 95\% of the web. You hardly ever need it &ndash; I didn't even have it installed.</p><p>Check the add-ons; if you don't have "Shockwave for Director", it isn't even installed. "Shockwave Flash" is the flash player (not Shockwave).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So ?
This is n't Flash .
You do n't need it to visit 95 \ % of the web .
You hardly ever need it    I did n't even have it installed.Check the add-ons ; if you do n't have " Shockwave for Director " , it is n't even installed .
" Shockwave Flash " is the flash player ( not Shockwave ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So?
This isn't Flash.
You don't need it to visit 95\% of the web.
You hardly ever need it – I didn't even have it installed.Check the add-ons; if you don't have "Shockwave for Director", it isn't even installed.
"Shockwave Flash" is the flash player (not Shockwave).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29998302</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.30000440</id>
	<title>Re:If you get an error installing Shockwave...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257418800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"And I want to run an application that executes in its data area why?"</p><p>If it's using any kind of virtual machine with a dynamic languge and a just-in-time compiler (like Forth or Lisp or maybe an efficient implementation of Javascript), it might need to compile bytecode to x86 code and then execute it.  How else are we going to implement these languages? "Nobody needs a dynamic language with incremental compilation, everyone should have separate run and compile phases" isn't really a long-term answer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" And I want to run an application that executes in its data area why ?
" If it 's using any kind of virtual machine with a dynamic languge and a just-in-time compiler ( like Forth or Lisp or maybe an efficient implementation of Javascript ) , it might need to compile bytecode to x86 code and then execute it .
How else are we going to implement these languages ?
" Nobody needs a dynamic language with incremental compilation , everyone should have separate run and compile phases " is n't really a long-term answer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"And I want to run an application that executes in its data area why?
"If it's using any kind of virtual machine with a dynamic languge and a just-in-time compiler (like Forth or Lisp or maybe an efficient implementation of Javascript), it might need to compile bytecode to x86 code and then execute it.
How else are we going to implement these languages?
"Nobody needs a dynamic language with incremental compilation, everyone should have separate run and compile phases" isn't really a long-term answer.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29998600</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.30001736</id>
	<title>Re:Government</title>
	<author>Culture20</author>
	<datestamp>1257426300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Back when there was a serious MS excel bug, there was a State agency website in Iowa(?) that was serving up an infected xls file for some semi-important accounting thing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Back when there was a serious MS excel bug , there was a State agency website in Iowa ( ?
) that was serving up an infected xls file for some semi-important accounting thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Back when there was a serious MS excel bug, there was a State agency website in Iowa(?
) that was serving up an infected xls file for some semi-important accounting thing.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29998288</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29999384</id>
	<title>Re:Are their FOSS alternatives to Flash and Shockw</title>
	<author>slimjim8094</author>
	<datestamp>1257414240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. Yes/no.<br>2. See above. Nobody cares about Shockwave, though.<br>3. Yes.</p><p>It's called Gnash. See <a href="http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/" title="gnu.org">http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/</a> [gnu.org]<br>There's also a few others, such as <a href="http://swfdec.freedesktop.org/wiki/" title="freedesktop.org">http://swfdec.freedesktop.org/wiki/</a> [freedesktop.org] . Gnash is probably better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Yes/no.2. See above .
Nobody cares about Shockwave , though.3 .
Yes.It 's called Gnash .
See http : //www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ [ gnu.org ] There 's also a few others , such as http : //swfdec.freedesktop.org/wiki/ [ freedesktop.org ] .
Gnash is probably better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Yes/no.2. See above.
Nobody cares about Shockwave, though.3.
Yes.It's called Gnash.
See http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ [gnu.org]There's also a few others, such as http://swfdec.freedesktop.org/wiki/ [freedesktop.org] .
Gnash is probably better.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29999044</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.30004796</id>
	<title>Re:If you get an error installing Shockwave...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257516960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because that's the Linux way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because that 's the Linux way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because that's the Linux way.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29998598</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.30002888</id>
	<title>Short stupidity story of the day here --</title>
	<author>WoodenTable</author>
	<datestamp>1257439440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I checked my firefox addons list and sure enough, Shockwave was in there. The plugins were Disabled. Well, I might as well get rid of it if I never use it, no? And so the hunt began. I checked my add/remove list. Nope, not there. I tried searching for its files, but still couldn't find it. I googled how to uninstall it, fretted over the <i>invisible and uninstallable evil program with security holes hiding on my computer</i> as I navigated some links, checked the firefox plugin page, and after ten or so minutes I discovered...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... that I don't actually have Shockwave. Just the firefox plugins, which came along for the ride when I copied firefox over from my old computer.</p><p>D'oh.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I checked my firefox addons list and sure enough , Shockwave was in there .
The plugins were Disabled .
Well , I might as well get rid of it if I never use it , no ?
And so the hunt began .
I checked my add/remove list .
Nope , not there .
I tried searching for its files , but still could n't find it .
I googled how to uninstall it , fretted over the invisible and uninstallable evil program with security holes hiding on my computer as I navigated some links , checked the firefox plugin page , and after ten or so minutes I discovered... ... that I do n't actually have Shockwave .
Just the firefox plugins , which came along for the ride when I copied firefox over from my old computer.D'oh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I checked my firefox addons list and sure enough, Shockwave was in there.
The plugins were Disabled.
Well, I might as well get rid of it if I never use it, no?
And so the hunt began.
I checked my add/remove list.
Nope, not there.
I tried searching for its files, but still couldn't find it.
I googled how to uninstall it, fretted over the invisible and uninstallable evil program with security holes hiding on my computer as I navigated some links, checked the firefox plugin page, and after ten or so minutes I discovered... ... that I don't actually have Shockwave.
Just the firefox plugins, which came along for the ride when I copied firefox over from my old computer.D'oh.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29999052</id>
	<title>Simlpe dont use any adobe products</title>
	<author>hesaigo999ca</author>
	<datestamp>1257412800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just dont use adobe products anymore, either flash, or shockwave, are too seriously integrated into our pcs, that when the day comes that skynet is self aware, that will be the first application it looks to to take over all pcs around the world....have we not learned anything from terminator?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just dont use adobe products anymore , either flash , or shockwave , are too seriously integrated into our pcs , that when the day comes that skynet is self aware , that will be the first application it looks to to take over all pcs around the world....have we not learned anything from terminator ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just dont use adobe products anymore, either flash, or shockwave, are too seriously integrated into our pcs, that when the day comes that skynet is self aware, that will be the first application it looks to to take over all pcs around the world....have we not learned anything from terminator?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29998288</id>
	<title>Government</title>
	<author>Idiomatick</author>
	<datestamp>1257452760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is he worried the gov will abuse this hole? If not I fail to see what makes it especially sobering. If it were a client-&gt;server hole that would be a problem of course. <br>Not that I support anything adobe makes aside from photoshop anyways...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is he worried the gov will abuse this hole ?
If not I fail to see what makes it especially sobering .
If it were a client- &gt; server hole that would be a problem of course .
Not that I support anything adobe makes aside from photoshop anyways.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is he worried the gov will abuse this hole?
If not I fail to see what makes it especially sobering.
If it were a client-&gt;server hole that would be a problem of course.
Not that I support anything adobe makes aside from photoshop anyways...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29998600</id>
	<title>Re:If you get an error installing Shockwave...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257454140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And I want to run an application that executes in its data area why?</p><p>It would be different if the installer intentionally used some sort of self modifying code system.</p><p>But the only possible explanation for why a Shockwave updater fails to run with DEP enabled, is that at least one of its threads is doing some sort of buffer overrun and running off into the woods.  It just usually doesn't break things bad enough to make the installation fail, unless DEP actually stops the thread.</p><p>Not exactly the type of program I want to be running on my computer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And I want to run an application that executes in its data area why ? It would be different if the installer intentionally used some sort of self modifying code system.But the only possible explanation for why a Shockwave updater fails to run with DEP enabled , is that at least one of its threads is doing some sort of buffer overrun and running off into the woods .
It just usually does n't break things bad enough to make the installation fail , unless DEP actually stops the thread.Not exactly the type of program I want to be running on my computer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And I want to run an application that executes in its data area why?It would be different if the installer intentionally used some sort of self modifying code system.But the only possible explanation for why a Shockwave updater fails to run with DEP enabled, is that at least one of its threads is doing some sort of buffer overrun and running off into the woods.
It just usually doesn't break things bad enough to make the installation fail, unless DEP actually stops the thread.Not exactly the type of program I want to be running on my computer.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29999444</id>
	<title>Re:If you get an error installing Shockwave...</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1257414480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have no C:, you insensitive clod!</p><p>(I have a root though.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have no C : , you insensitive clod !
( I have a root though .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have no C:, you insensitive clod!
(I have a root though.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29998302</id>
	<title>no MSI installer yet</title>
	<author>Rob Bos</author>
	<datestamp>1257452820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As of posting, there's no MSI installer for the new version yet, and the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.exe installer doesn't seem to support silent installs.</p><p><a href="http://www.appdeploy.com/packages/detail.asp?id=1438" title="appdeploy.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.appdeploy.com/packages/detail.asp?id=1438</a> [appdeploy.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As of posting , there 's no MSI installer for the new version yet , and the .exe installer does n't seem to support silent installs.http : //www.appdeploy.com/packages/detail.asp ? id = 1438 [ appdeploy.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As of posting, there's no MSI installer for the new version yet, and the .exe installer doesn't seem to support silent installs.http://www.appdeploy.com/packages/detail.asp?id=1438 [appdeploy.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29999038</id>
	<title>No adobe shit, thank you!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257412800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not on <i>my</i> computer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not on my computer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not on my computer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.30054152</id>
	<title>So many programs, so much laziness...</title>
	<author>Laptopdude</author>
	<datestamp>1257860640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Only a month or so ago, I still had Shockwave 9 installed. I'm sure I'm not alone in saying I have a good number of programs installed on my computer, and keeping track of which ones need updates is a real chore that I usually just (unwisely) ignore. But, then I found this great free program called <a href="http://secunia.com/vulnerability\_scanning/personal/" title="secunia.com" rel="nofollow">Secunia PSI</a> [secunia.com]. Every week I just click "Scan" and it compares the software installed on my computer, including windows, with an online database, and reports anything that has known security vulnerabilities.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Only a month or so ago , I still had Shockwave 9 installed .
I 'm sure I 'm not alone in saying I have a good number of programs installed on my computer , and keeping track of which ones need updates is a real chore that I usually just ( unwisely ) ignore .
But , then I found this great free program called Secunia PSI [ secunia.com ] .
Every week I just click " Scan " and it compares the software installed on my computer , including windows , with an online database , and reports anything that has known security vulnerabilities .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only a month or so ago, I still had Shockwave 9 installed.
I'm sure I'm not alone in saying I have a good number of programs installed on my computer, and keeping track of which ones need updates is a real chore that I usually just (unwisely) ignore.
But, then I found this great free program called Secunia PSI [secunia.com].
Every week I just click "Scan" and it compares the software installed on my computer, including windows, with an online database, and reports anything that has known security vulnerabilities.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.30000934</id>
	<title>Re:If you get an error installing Shockwave...</title>
	<author>John Hasler</author>
	<datestamp>1257421080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; How else are we going to implement these languages?</p><p>Via interpreters.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; How else are we going to implement these languages ? Via interpreters .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; How else are we going to implement these languages?Via interpreters.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.30000440</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1853242.29998178</id>
	<title>Remind a noob...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257452400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's the difference between Shockwave and Flash?</p><p>Or are they the same thing? If so, why two names for it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's the difference between Shockwave and Flash ? Or are they the same thing ?
If so , why two names for it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's the difference between Shockwave and Flash?Or are they the same thing?
If so, why two names for it?</sentencetext>
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