<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_04_2151245</id>
	<title>PayPal Introduces Open API</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1257329460000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>m2pc writes <i>"PayPal has just announced the <a href="http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/181382/paypal\_introduces\_open\_api\_to\_put\_payments\_into\_apps.html">availability of their Open API</a> under the 'PayPal X Program.'  This enables developers to integrate PayPal payment processing services without forcing users to redirect to PayPal's website to enter payment information.  This new initiative is designed to allow the company to better compete with the likes of Google and Amazon, which offer similar services. I wonder how much they paid for their domain: <a href="http://www.x.com/">x.com</a>?"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>m2pc writes " PayPal has just announced the availability of their Open API under the 'PayPal X Program .
' This enables developers to integrate PayPal payment processing services without forcing users to redirect to PayPal 's website to enter payment information .
This new initiative is designed to allow the company to better compete with the likes of Google and Amazon , which offer similar services .
I wonder how much they paid for their domain : x.com ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>m2pc writes "PayPal has just announced the availability of their Open API under the 'PayPal X Program.
'  This enables developers to integrate PayPal payment processing services without forcing users to redirect to PayPal's website to enter payment information.
This new initiative is designed to allow the company to better compete with the likes of Google and Amazon, which offer similar services.
I wonder how much they paid for their domain: x.com?
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29986860</id>
	<title>Re:one-letter domain?</title>
	<author>Itninja</author>
	<datestamp>1256987880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>One-letter names are allowed. But they were all taken within a very short time. I think about 26 seconds.</htmltext>
<tokenext>One-letter names are allowed .
But they were all taken within a very short time .
I think about 26 seconds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One-letter names are allowed.
But they were all taken within a very short time.
I think about 26 seconds.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29986800</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29988608</id>
	<title>Re:This is a bad idea because...</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1256995500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, that sucks for people that trusted Paypal to begin with.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , that sucks for people that trusted Paypal to begin with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, that sucks for people that trusted Paypal to begin with.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29987440</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29987880</id>
	<title>Poor choice of words...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256991960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He meant greedy business entity strongly financially motivated to avoid any uncontrolled release of your information.</p><p>PayPal very diligently acts to protect their bottom line.  You may not like their policies on withholding balances, but that same financial diligence also goes in to maintaining security to prevent the huge financial losses that would occur should the public no longer perceive paypal as secure.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He meant greedy business entity strongly financially motivated to avoid any uncontrolled release of your information.PayPal very diligently acts to protect their bottom line .
You may not like their policies on withholding balances , but that same financial diligence also goes in to maintaining security to prevent the huge financial losses that would occur should the public no longer perceive paypal as secure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He meant greedy business entity strongly financially motivated to avoid any uncontrolled release of your information.PayPal very diligently acts to protect their bottom line.
You may not like their policies on withholding balances, but that same financial diligence also goes in to maintaining security to prevent the huge financial losses that would occur should the public no longer perceive paypal as secure.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29987426</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29987386</id>
	<title>As a representative of one burned by PayPal</title>
	<author>Chas</author>
	<datestamp>1256990040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It'll be a cold day in hell before they see any utilization by any of the companies I work for or service.</p><p>They could be the last financial institution on the planet.  I and some of the people I work for would revert to a barter economy first.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 'll be a cold day in hell before they see any utilization by any of the companies I work for or service.They could be the last financial institution on the planet .
I and some of the people I work for would revert to a barter economy first .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It'll be a cold day in hell before they see any utilization by any of the companies I work for or service.They could be the last financial institution on the planet.
I and some of the people I work for would revert to a barter economy first.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29987026</id>
	<title>Bummer!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256988780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>As an end user, to me the value in going through a centralized payment service is the security of having only one reputable company (PayPal) handling my personal information, instead of having every vendor out there from whom I've ever bought anything potentially putting my CC# into their database.  Forget disintermediation via this API, I'd rather go the other way and have assurance from the middleman that the vendor will never get anything they don't need for order fullfillment - that is, just my name and mailing address.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As an end user , to me the value in going through a centralized payment service is the security of having only one reputable company ( PayPal ) handling my personal information , instead of having every vendor out there from whom I 've ever bought anything potentially putting my CC # into their database .
Forget disintermediation via this API , I 'd rather go the other way and have assurance from the middleman that the vendor will never get anything they do n't need for order fullfillment - that is , just my name and mailing address .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As an end user, to me the value in going through a centralized payment service is the security of having only one reputable company (PayPal) handling my personal information, instead of having every vendor out there from whom I've ever bought anything potentially putting my CC# into their database.
Forget disintermediation via this API, I'd rather go the other way and have assurance from the middleman that the vendor will never get anything they don't need for order fullfillment - that is, just my name and mailing address.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29987476</id>
	<title>x.com?  duh.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256990400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> I wonder how much they paid for their domain: x.com?"</p></div></blockquote><p>Well, if the submitter did any background work before furiously cutting and pasting from someone's blog to get this submission, they'd realize that x.com is actually paypal's ORIGINAL domain name before they got bought and turned into paypal.  But hey, who expects facts in a slashdot submission?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder how much they paid for their domain : x.com ?
" Well , if the submitter did any background work before furiously cutting and pasting from someone 's blog to get this submission , they 'd realize that x.com is actually paypal 's ORIGINAL domain name before they got bought and turned into paypal .
But hey , who expects facts in a slashdot submission ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I wonder how much they paid for their domain: x.com?
"Well, if the submitter did any background work before furiously cutting and pasting from someone's blog to get this submission, they'd realize that x.com is actually paypal's ORIGINAL domain name before they got bought and turned into paypal.
But hey, who expects facts in a slashdot submission?
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.30002474</id>
	<title>x.com is created in 1993</title>
	<author>mahadiga</author>
	<datestamp>1257433620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Whois Server Version 2.0

Domain names in the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.com and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.net domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to <a href="http://www.internic.net/" title="internic.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.internic.net/</a> [internic.net]
for detailed information.

   Domain Name: X.COM
   Registrar: MARKMONITOR INC.
   Whois Server: whois.markmonitor.com
   Referral URL: <a href="http://www.markmonitor.com/" title="markmonitor.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.markmonitor.com/</a> [markmonitor.com]
   Name Server: PPNS1.DEN.PAYPAL.COM
   Name Server: PPNS1.PHX.PAYPAL.COM
   Name Server: PPNS2.DEN.PAYPAL.COM
   Name Server: PPNS2.PHX.PAYPAL.COM
   Status: clientDeleteProhibited
   Status: clientTransferProhibited
   Status: clientUpdateProhibited
   Updated Date: 01-sep-2008
   Creation Date: 02-apr-1993
   Expiration Date: 20-oct-2011

&gt;&gt;&gt; Last update of whois database: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:03:44 UTC http://www.markmonitor.com/

    Administrative Contact:
        Domain Administrator
        eBay Inc.
        2145 Hamilton Avenue
         San Jose CA 95125
        US
        hostmaster@ebay.com +1.4083767400 Fax: +1.4083767514
    Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
        Domain Administrator
        eBay Inc.
        2145 Hamilton Avenue
         San Jose CA 95125
        US
        hostmaster@ebay.com +1.4083767400 Fax: +1.4083767514

<b>    Created on..............: 1993-04-01.</b>
    Expires on..............: 2011-10-20.
    Record last updated on..: 2009-07-25.

    Domain servers in listed order:

    ppns1.phx.paypal.com
    ppns2.den.paypal.com
    ppns2.phx.paypal.com
    ppns1.den.paypal.com</htmltext>
<tokenext>Whois Server Version 2.0 Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered with many different competing registrars .
Go to http : //www.internic.net/ [ internic.net ] for detailed information .
Domain Name : X.COM Registrar : MARKMONITOR INC . Whois Server : whois.markmonitor.com Referral URL : http : //www.markmonitor.com/ [ markmonitor.com ] Name Server : PPNS1.DEN.PAYPAL.COM Name Server : PPNS1.PHX.PAYPAL.COM Name Server : PPNS2.DEN.PAYPAL.COM Name Server : PPNS2.PHX.PAYPAL.COM Status : clientDeleteProhibited Status : clientTransferProhibited Status : clientUpdateProhibited Updated Date : 01-sep-2008 Creation Date : 02-apr-1993 Expiration Date : 20-oct-2011 &gt; &gt; &gt; Last update of whois database : Fri , 06 Nov 2009 02 : 03 : 44 UTC http : //www.markmonitor.com/ Administrative Contact : Domain Administrator eBay Inc . 2145 Hamilton Avenue San Jose CA 95125 US hostmaster @ ebay.com + 1.4083767400 Fax : + 1.4083767514 Technical Contact , Zone Contact : Domain Administrator eBay Inc . 2145 Hamilton Avenue San Jose CA 95125 US hostmaster @ ebay.com + 1.4083767400 Fax : + 1.4083767514 Created on.............. : 1993-04-01 .
Expires on.............. : 2011-10-20 .
Record last updated on.. : 2009-07-25 .
Domain servers in listed order : ppns1.phx.paypal.com ppns2.den.paypal.com ppns2.phx.paypal.com ppns1.den.paypal.com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whois Server Version 2.0

Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars.
Go to http://www.internic.net/ [internic.net]
for detailed information.
Domain Name: X.COM
   Registrar: MARKMONITOR INC.
   Whois Server: whois.markmonitor.com
   Referral URL: http://www.markmonitor.com/ [markmonitor.com]
   Name Server: PPNS1.DEN.PAYPAL.COM
   Name Server: PPNS1.PHX.PAYPAL.COM
   Name Server: PPNS2.DEN.PAYPAL.COM
   Name Server: PPNS2.PHX.PAYPAL.COM
   Status: clientDeleteProhibited
   Status: clientTransferProhibited
   Status: clientUpdateProhibited
   Updated Date: 01-sep-2008
   Creation Date: 02-apr-1993
   Expiration Date: 20-oct-2011

&gt;&gt;&gt; Last update of whois database: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:03:44 UTC http://www.markmonitor.com/

    Administrative Contact:
        Domain Administrator
        eBay Inc.
        2145 Hamilton Avenue
         San Jose CA 95125
        US
        hostmaster@ebay.com +1.4083767400 Fax: +1.4083767514
    Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
        Domain Administrator
        eBay Inc.
        2145 Hamilton Avenue
         San Jose CA 95125
        US
        hostmaster@ebay.com +1.4083767400 Fax: +1.4083767514

    Created on..............: 1993-04-01.
Expires on..............: 2011-10-20.
Record last updated on..: 2009-07-25.
Domain servers in listed order:

    ppns1.phx.paypal.com
    ppns2.den.paypal.com
    ppns2.phx.paypal.com
    ppns1.den.paypal.com</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29986866</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29989718</id>
	<title>Re:Bummer!</title>
	<author>Phroggy</author>
	<datestamp>1257001500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They are a reputable company, in that they have a reputation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They are a reputable company , in that they have a reputation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are a reputable company, in that they have a reputation.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29987426</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.30001930</id>
	<title>Uh...this isn't new...</title>
	<author>k0vert</author>
	<datestamp>1257427860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I always thought that you could accept credit cards on your own website without redirecting to PayPal.

I believe it is called Website Payments Pro.

"Process credit cards directly on your website with Website Payments Pro, our merchant account and gateway in one."


What is exactly more integrated? Has anyone bothered to look at the "How It Works" link on the PayPal website? It doesn't show any redirection to PayPal.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I always thought that you could accept credit cards on your own website without redirecting to PayPal .
I believe it is called Website Payments Pro .
" Process credit cards directly on your website with Website Payments Pro , our merchant account and gateway in one .
" What is exactly more integrated ?
Has anyone bothered to look at the " How It Works " link on the PayPal website ?
It does n't show any redirection to PayPal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I always thought that you could accept credit cards on your own website without redirecting to PayPal.
I believe it is called Website Payments Pro.
"Process credit cards directly on your website with Website Payments Pro, our merchant account and gateway in one.
"


What is exactly more integrated?
Has anyone bothered to look at the "How It Works" link on the PayPal website?
It doesn't show any redirection to PayPal.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29986780</id>
	<title>As a Developer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256987580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As a developer, I'm freakin excited. I hope it doesn't cost too much money.. or any at all. That's the reason I prefer Paypal for smaller projects over authorize.net.. save the monthly bills.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a developer , I 'm freakin excited .
I hope it does n't cost too much money.. or any at all .
That 's the reason I prefer Paypal for smaller projects over authorize.net.. save the monthly bills .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a developer, I'm freakin excited.
I hope it doesn't cost too much money.. or any at all.
That's the reason I prefer Paypal for smaller projects over authorize.net.. save the monthly bills.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29987058</id>
	<title>x.com</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256988900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They didn't pay anything for x.com. They <i>were</i> x.com originally.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They did n't pay anything for x.com .
They were x.com originally .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They didn't pay anything for x.com.
They were x.com originally.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29988564</id>
	<title>thanks sirs - exciting news</title>
	<author>postmortem</author>
	<datestamp>1256995320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dear Sirs,</p><p>These are great news that promise increased effectiveness and efficiency in money transfers for humble users from Nigeria.</p><p>Additionally, if you could assist me in transferring some funds from our deceased noblemen, you will truly be awarded.</p><p>Yours Faithfully,</p><p>Dr. Akeem Biobaku</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dear Sirs,These are great news that promise increased effectiveness and efficiency in money transfers for humble users from Nigeria.Additionally , if you could assist me in transferring some funds from our deceased noblemen , you will truly be awarded.Yours Faithfully,Dr .
Akeem Biobaku</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dear Sirs,These are great news that promise increased effectiveness and efficiency in money transfers for humble users from Nigeria.Additionally, if you could assist me in transferring some funds from our deceased noblemen, you will truly be awarded.Yours Faithfully,Dr.
Akeem Biobaku</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29991708</id>
	<title>Re:Paypal was originally x.com</title>
	<author>loshwomp</author>
	<datestamp>1257018300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>X.com was one of the companies that merged to form PayPal.  They epitomized the bubble "land grab" mentality by giving away free money to attract customers.</p><p>I still have a check for $0.01 sent to me (for no obvious reason) by "PayPal's X.com" during the bubble days.  It's such a perfect metaphor for the stupidity of that era that I just had to save it and frame it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>X.com was one of the companies that merged to form PayPal .
They epitomized the bubble " land grab " mentality by giving away free money to attract customers.I still have a check for $ 0.01 sent to me ( for no obvious reason ) by " PayPal 's X.com " during the bubble days .
It 's such a perfect metaphor for the stupidity of that era that I just had to save it and frame it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>X.com was one of the companies that merged to form PayPal.
They epitomized the bubble "land grab" mentality by giving away free money to attract customers.I still have a check for $0.01 sent to me (for no obvious reason) by "PayPal's X.com" during the bubble days.
It's such a perfect metaphor for the stupidity of that era that I just had to save it and frame it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29986866</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29988932</id>
	<title>Security risk?</title>
	<author>mysidia</author>
	<datestamp>1256997120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <em>The new PayPal APIs allow developers to engage customers directly within their own applications rather than forcing them to port users off to the actual PayPal site. Users who don't even use PayPal can actually sign up for PayPal within the third-party application and begin making PayPal payments seamlessly from within the third-party application.</em> </p><p>

So now you're  relying on a third party application running on your vendor's website to not secretly cubbyhole a copy of your PayPal password as you use the third-party site to login or register for PP ?
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The new PayPal APIs allow developers to engage customers directly within their own applications rather than forcing them to port users off to the actual PayPal site .
Users who do n't even use PayPal can actually sign up for PayPal within the third-party application and begin making PayPal payments seamlessly from within the third-party application .
So now you 're relying on a third party application running on your vendor 's website to not secretly cubbyhole a copy of your PayPal password as you use the third-party site to login or register for PP ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> The new PayPal APIs allow developers to engage customers directly within their own applications rather than forcing them to port users off to the actual PayPal site.
Users who don't even use PayPal can actually sign up for PayPal within the third-party application and begin making PayPal payments seamlessly from within the third-party application.
So now you're  relying on a third party application running on your vendor's website to not secretly cubbyhole a copy of your PayPal password as you use the third-party site to login or register for PP ?
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29987024</id>
	<title>redirect is better</title>
	<author>bolthole</author>
	<datestamp>1256988720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I personally LIKE the redirect. I LIKE only inputting my credit card/whatnot information to paypal.com directly, instead of some random site that I'm doing a one-time transaction with and will probably never see again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I personally LIKE the redirect .
I LIKE only inputting my credit card/whatnot information to paypal.com directly , instead of some random site that I 'm doing a one-time transaction with and will probably never see again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I personally LIKE the redirect.
I LIKE only inputting my credit card/whatnot information to paypal.com directly, instead of some random site that I'm doing a one-time transaction with and will probably never see again.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29990112</id>
	<title>ma8e</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257004560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>be on A wrong</htmltext>
<tokenext>be on A wrong</tokentext>
<sentencetext>be on A wrong</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29989794</id>
	<title>x.com</title>
	<author>strstr</author>
	<datestamp>1257002280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hasn't PayPal always owned x.com? if I recall, you used to access the website at paypal.x.com and it wasn't until a few years ago that they started using paypal.com.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Has n't PayPal always owned x.com ?
if I recall , you used to access the website at paypal.x.com and it was n't until a few years ago that they started using paypal.com .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hasn't PayPal always owned x.com?
if I recall, you used to access the website at paypal.x.com and it wasn't until a few years ago that they started using paypal.com.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29987636</id>
	<title>Critical missing piece</title>
	<author>RyoShin</author>
	<datestamp>1256991000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nifty, but I'm waiting for the day that they announce good customer service.</p><p>(Although I believe they're lifting the ban on adult content sites, so that's good.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nifty , but I 'm waiting for the day that they announce good customer service .
( Although I believe they 're lifting the ban on adult content sites , so that 's good .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nifty, but I'm waiting for the day that they announce good customer service.
(Although I believe they're lifting the ban on adult content sites, so that's good.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29987538</id>
	<title>Re:Paypal was originally x.com</title>
	<author>kalislashdot</author>
	<datestamp>1256990580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Years ago, I used to go to paypal by going to x.com. It was so much shorted to type and it just redirected for me to paypal.com Then they made it the "labs" site and my shortcut was ruined.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Years ago , I used to go to paypal by going to x.com .
It was so much shorted to type and it just redirected for me to paypal.com Then they made it the " labs " site and my shortcut was ruined .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Years ago, I used to go to paypal by going to x.com.
It was so much shorted to type and it just redirected for me to paypal.com Then they made it the "labs" site and my shortcut was ruined.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29986866</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29988086</id>
	<title>You have a short memory...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256992980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Don't you remember that X.com *WAS* PayPal until about 2000? I would be surprised if they paid more than a four-figure sum for the domain; real estate wasn't as valuable back then. X.com was originally an online bank of sorts.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't you remember that X.com * WAS * PayPal until about 2000 ?
I would be surprised if they paid more than a four-figure sum for the domain ; real estate was n't as valuable back then .
X.com was originally an online bank of sorts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't you remember that X.com *WAS* PayPal until about 2000?
I would be surprised if they paid more than a four-figure sum for the domain; real estate wasn't as valuable back then.
X.com was originally an online bank of sorts.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29988712</id>
	<title>Re:redirect is better</title>
	<author>stephanruby</author>
	<datestamp>1256995980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is no reason you can't have both, and just let the consumer decide. Believe it or not, there are cases where the consumer would rather not leave the site. </p><p>For instance, when our customers wanted a refund from us, we had to tell them to make the request through Pay Pal first (at least, at the time that was the case, I don't know if it still is the case now), and then we would issue the refund as soon as we saw the request come in. We couldn't initiate that request ourselves. </p><p>This really didn't sit well with our customers. Also the Pay Pal process for requesting a refund made the process unnecessarily adversarial and completely user-unfriendly. As a company in a very competitive area, we didn't want our customers (who for some reason were not satisfied with our services/products) to feel we were dragging our feet, or to feel that we were pawning them off to some giant faceless corporation who didn't know the first thing about what went wrong in the first place. Unsatisfied customers who feel that way are much more likely to write very negative reviews.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is no reason you ca n't have both , and just let the consumer decide .
Believe it or not , there are cases where the consumer would rather not leave the site .
For instance , when our customers wanted a refund from us , we had to tell them to make the request through Pay Pal first ( at least , at the time that was the case , I do n't know if it still is the case now ) , and then we would issue the refund as soon as we saw the request come in .
We could n't initiate that request ourselves .
This really did n't sit well with our customers .
Also the Pay Pal process for requesting a refund made the process unnecessarily adversarial and completely user-unfriendly .
As a company in a very competitive area , we did n't want our customers ( who for some reason were not satisfied with our services/products ) to feel we were dragging our feet , or to feel that we were pawning them off to some giant faceless corporation who did n't know the first thing about what went wrong in the first place .
Unsatisfied customers who feel that way are much more likely to write very negative reviews .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is no reason you can't have both, and just let the consumer decide.
Believe it or not, there are cases where the consumer would rather not leave the site.
For instance, when our customers wanted a refund from us, we had to tell them to make the request through Pay Pal first (at least, at the time that was the case, I don't know if it still is the case now), and then we would issue the refund as soon as we saw the request come in.
We couldn't initiate that request ourselves.
This really didn't sit well with our customers.
Also the Pay Pal process for requesting a refund made the process unnecessarily adversarial and completely user-unfriendly.
As a company in a very competitive area, we didn't want our customers (who for some reason were not satisfied with our services/products) to feel we were dragging our feet, or to feel that we were pawning them off to some giant faceless corporation who didn't know the first thing about what went wrong in the first place.
Unsatisfied customers who feel that way are much more likely to write very negative reviews.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29987024</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29987708</id>
	<title>Re:Um...guys....</title>
	<author>jjohn24680</author>
	<datestamp>1256991180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>PayProFlow is their credit card payment gateway, and handles other kinds of related transactions (debit cards, pre-funded cards). It appears this API ties to their main payment system (transfer funds between PayPal accounts) rather than credit cards. The company I work for uses their gateways to process transactions for both credit cards and also payments between PayPal accounts. Currently, if someone wants to receive a payment from us, they have to go to the PayPal website and create an account there. Once they have an account, we can use the existing API to transfer funds. From the article, it appears that you can use this API to create a new account, which is something that I don't believe can be done at this point.</htmltext>
<tokenext>PayProFlow is their credit card payment gateway , and handles other kinds of related transactions ( debit cards , pre-funded cards ) .
It appears this API ties to their main payment system ( transfer funds between PayPal accounts ) rather than credit cards .
The company I work for uses their gateways to process transactions for both credit cards and also payments between PayPal accounts .
Currently , if someone wants to receive a payment from us , they have to go to the PayPal website and create an account there .
Once they have an account , we can use the existing API to transfer funds .
From the article , it appears that you can use this API to create a new account , which is something that I do n't believe can be done at this point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>PayProFlow is their credit card payment gateway, and handles other kinds of related transactions (debit cards, pre-funded cards).
It appears this API ties to their main payment system (transfer funds between PayPal accounts) rather than credit cards.
The company I work for uses their gateways to process transactions for both credit cards and also payments between PayPal accounts.
Currently, if someone wants to receive a payment from us, they have to go to the PayPal website and create an account there.
Once they have an account, we can use the existing API to transfer funds.
From the article, it appears that you can use this API to create a new account, which is something that I don't believe can be done at this point.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29986820</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29986932</id>
	<title>Re:one-letter domain?</title>
	<author>Mad Merlin</author>
	<datestamp>1256988300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since ever? <a href="http://www.x.org/wiki/" title="x.org">X.org</a> [x.org] for example has been around quite awhile.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since ever ?
X.org [ x.org ] for example has been around quite awhile .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since ever?
X.org [x.org] for example has been around quite awhile.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29986800</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29987626</id>
	<title>Re:redirect is better</title>
	<author>BikeHelmet</author>
	<datestamp>1256990940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Totally agree with you here. It felt weirder ordering off Dell.com than it did DealExtreme.com. I was <i>expecting</i> redirects to a secure site for payment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Totally agree with you here .
It felt weirder ordering off Dell.com than it did DealExtreme.com .
I was expecting redirects to a secure site for payment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Totally agree with you here.
It felt weirder ordering off Dell.com than it did DealExtreme.com.
I was expecting redirects to a secure site for payment.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29987024</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29987440</id>
	<title>This is a bad idea because...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256990220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is going to make users accustomed to entering their paypal credentials into all sorts of unique interfaces, on a variety of websites.  It is going to condition users to be less guarded about their paypal credentials.  As it stands now, you basically only enter your PayPal credentials into either the PayPal.com or Ebay.com domains.  Users know that if anywhere else asks for their credentials, that it is a phishing site.  I think this is going to be a minor disaster for PayPal.  But hey, maybe they're cash-flush enough to eat the cost of all the new fraud claims that are going to result.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is going to make users accustomed to entering their paypal credentials into all sorts of unique interfaces , on a variety of websites .
It is going to condition users to be less guarded about their paypal credentials .
As it stands now , you basically only enter your PayPal credentials into either the PayPal.com or Ebay.com domains .
Users know that if anywhere else asks for their credentials , that it is a phishing site .
I think this is going to be a minor disaster for PayPal .
But hey , maybe they 're cash-flush enough to eat the cost of all the new fraud claims that are going to result .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is going to make users accustomed to entering their paypal credentials into all sorts of unique interfaces, on a variety of websites.
It is going to condition users to be less guarded about their paypal credentials.
As it stands now, you basically only enter your PayPal credentials into either the PayPal.com or Ebay.com domains.
Users know that if anywhere else asks for their credentials, that it is a phishing site.
I think this is going to be a minor disaster for PayPal.
But hey, maybe they're cash-flush enough to eat the cost of all the new fraud claims that are going to result.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29986844</id>
	<title>Paypal has owned X.com for YEARS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256987760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Paypal bought x.com a number of years ago. 8 years? Something like that. I think it happened when they were still giving you $5 for every new referral you brought in (I made some $$$$ off of Paypal, now it's the other way around.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:( ).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Paypal bought x.com a number of years ago .
8 years ?
Something like that .
I think it happened when they were still giving you $ 5 for every new referral you brought in ( I made some $ $ $ $ off of Paypal , now it 's the other way around .
: ( ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Paypal bought x.com a number of years ago.
8 years?
Something like that.
I think it happened when they were still giving you $5 for every new referral you brought in (I made some $$$$ off of Paypal, now it's the other way around.
:( ).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29987692</id>
	<title>Re:Bummer!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256991120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Better the evil you know than the evil you don't <i>and</i> the evil you know, mate. Think about it for a moment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Better the evil you know than the evil you do n't and the evil you know , mate .
Think about it for a moment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Better the evil you know than the evil you don't and the evil you know, mate.
Think about it for a moment.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29987426</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29987742</id>
	<title>Re:redirect is better</title>
	<author>DigitalCrackPipe</author>
	<datestamp>1256991300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I hope they continue to allow the explicit paypal.com visit.  Otherwise I forsee bailing out of a number of transactions due to the sketchiness of giving free access to your bank account to some random site.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope they continue to allow the explicit paypal.com visit .
Otherwise I forsee bailing out of a number of transactions due to the sketchiness of giving free access to your bank account to some random site .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope they continue to allow the explicit paypal.com visit.
Otherwise I forsee bailing out of a number of transactions due to the sketchiness of giving free access to your bank account to some random site.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29987024</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29987496</id>
	<title>Re:redirect is better</title>
	<author>amasiancrasian</author>
	<datestamp>1256990400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>+1 post; allowing website owners to directly process user/pass info for PayPal is potentially a dangerous move if all sorts of security audits/nefarious site owners are processing login info. There's definitely potential for abuse because the redirect kept the user/pass separate from the app processing. We implemented SSO handling via CAS because we could train users never to type in their user/pass on any site except for sso.bigcompany.com.</p><p>Further, even banks require all sorts of audits if a website is handling credit card info directly. We have to undergo all sorts of security audits (e.g are you storing cc numbers? who has access to your code? who has access to your database?) before we were even allowed to touch a cc gateway. </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>+ 1 post ; allowing website owners to directly process user/pass info for PayPal is potentially a dangerous move if all sorts of security audits/nefarious site owners are processing login info .
There 's definitely potential for abuse because the redirect kept the user/pass separate from the app processing .
We implemented SSO handling via CAS because we could train users never to type in their user/pass on any site except for sso.bigcompany.com.Further , even banks require all sorts of audits if a website is handling credit card info directly .
We have to undergo all sorts of security audits ( e.g are you storing cc numbers ?
who has access to your code ?
who has access to your database ?
) before we were even allowed to touch a cc gateway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>+1 post; allowing website owners to directly process user/pass info for PayPal is potentially a dangerous move if all sorts of security audits/nefarious site owners are processing login info.
There's definitely potential for abuse because the redirect kept the user/pass separate from the app processing.
We implemented SSO handling via CAS because we could train users never to type in their user/pass on any site except for sso.bigcompany.com.Further, even banks require all sorts of audits if a website is handling credit card info directly.
We have to undergo all sorts of security audits (e.g are you storing cc numbers?
who has access to your code?
who has access to your database?
) before we were even allowed to touch a cc gateway. </sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29987024</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29986800</id>
	<title>one-letter domain?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256987700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since when are 1-letter second-level domains allowed?  I thought it was limited to two letters and up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since when are 1-letter second-level domains allowed ?
I thought it was limited to two letters and up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since when are 1-letter second-level domains allowed?
I thought it was limited to two letters and up.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29989470</id>
	<title>Re:Bummer!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257000000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's right, paypal has a terrible habit of taking clean owned money out of good peoples accounts and delving them into faceless labrynthian bureaucracy which has no known end. Paypal is more reputable than mailorder bride dot ru or something; but paypal does not have a good reputation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's right , paypal has a terrible habit of taking clean owned money out of good peoples accounts and delving them into faceless labrynthian bureaucracy which has no known end .
Paypal is more reputable than mailorder bride dot ru or something ; but paypal does not have a good reputation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's right, paypal has a terrible habit of taking clean owned money out of good peoples accounts and delving them into faceless labrynthian bureaucracy which has no known end.
Paypal is more reputable than mailorder bride dot ru or something; but paypal does not have a good reputation.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29987426</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29988234</id>
	<title>Re:As a Developer</title>
	<author>kestasjk</author>
	<datestamp>1256993700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It does seem to require you have a registered business name though, I like the micropayment potential and all but it looks like government is still getting in the way of truly seamless, open payments out of fear of money laundering etc. "As a developer" I think this goes a bit OTT, and they could probably afford to take the time to see where money is coming from and going to if/when a significant amount gets made rather than require you prove that you're not a criminal via a huge number of checks and <em>then</em> find out if it's worth it etc.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It does seem to require you have a registered business name though , I like the micropayment potential and all but it looks like government is still getting in the way of truly seamless , open payments out of fear of money laundering etc .
" As a developer " I think this goes a bit OTT , and they could probably afford to take the time to see where money is coming from and going to if/when a significant amount gets made rather than require you prove that you 're not a criminal via a huge number of checks and then find out if it 's worth it etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It does seem to require you have a registered business name though, I like the micropayment potential and all but it looks like government is still getting in the way of truly seamless, open payments out of fear of money laundering etc.
"As a developer" I think this goes a bit OTT, and they could probably afford to take the time to see where money is coming from and going to if/when a significant amount gets made rather than require you prove that you're not a criminal via a huge number of checks and then find out if it's worth it etc.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29986780</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29993708</id>
	<title>Re:Um...guys....</title>
	<author>popeyethesailorman</author>
	<datestamp>1257430620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It was (and still is) called PayFlow Pro.  PayPal got it when then bought VeriSign's payment unit in late 2005.  I think VeriSign have have obtained it PayFlow Pro from CyberCash even longer ago.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It was ( and still is ) called PayFlow Pro .
PayPal got it when then bought VeriSign 's payment unit in late 2005 .
I think VeriSign have have obtained it PayFlow Pro from CyberCash even longer ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It was (and still is) called PayFlow Pro.
PayPal got it when then bought VeriSign's payment unit in late 2005.
I think VeriSign have have obtained it PayFlow Pro from CyberCash even longer ago.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29986820</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29987176</id>
	<title>Re:Um...guys....</title>
	<author>webheaded</author>
	<datestamp>1256989320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Payflow Pro.  I'm thinking the same thing.  Maybe they're actually pointing more towards using a Paypal ID without leaving the site or something...I dunno, but I do know my company is one of the processors for Paypal and that they've had functionality like that for quite some time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Payflow Pro .
I 'm thinking the same thing .
Maybe they 're actually pointing more towards using a Paypal ID without leaving the site or something...I dunno , but I do know my company is one of the processors for Paypal and that they 've had functionality like that for quite some time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Payflow Pro.
I'm thinking the same thing.
Maybe they're actually pointing more towards using a Paypal ID without leaving the site or something...I dunno, but I do know my company is one of the processors for Paypal and that they've had functionality like that for quite some time.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29986820</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29992116</id>
	<title>It's like banking, without consumer protections.</title>
	<author>Animats</author>
	<datestamp>1257412680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
PayPal calls this <a href="https://cms.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/?&amp;cmd=\_render-content&amp;content\_ID=developer/e\_howto\_api\_WPWebsitePaymentsPro" title="paypal.com">WebSite Payments Pro.</a> [paypal.com]  They don't use the world "Open", at least not to developers.
</p><p>
What they are offering is essentially the same thing banks offer as "merchant accounts" that connect to "shopping cart" programs.  But, this being PayPal, without all the consumer protections that banks are required to provide.  I've been reading through the documentation, and there's no sign of all the security requirements Visa imposes on merchants.
</p><p>
(Well, actually <a href="https://cms.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/?&amp;cmd=\_render-content&amp;content\_ID=ua/ProVT\_full&amp;locale.x=en\_US" title="paypal.com">there is</a> [paypal.com] - under "Legal Agreements, Exhibit A".  But there's no sign of technical requirements to back them up.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>PayPal calls this WebSite Payments Pro .
[ paypal.com ] They do n't use the world " Open " , at least not to developers .
What they are offering is essentially the same thing banks offer as " merchant accounts " that connect to " shopping cart " programs .
But , this being PayPal , without all the consumer protections that banks are required to provide .
I 've been reading through the documentation , and there 's no sign of all the security requirements Visa imposes on merchants .
( Well , actually there is [ paypal.com ] - under " Legal Agreements , Exhibit A " .
But there 's no sign of technical requirements to back them up .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
PayPal calls this WebSite Payments Pro.
[paypal.com]  They don't use the world "Open", at least not to developers.
What they are offering is essentially the same thing banks offer as "merchant accounts" that connect to "shopping cart" programs.
But, this being PayPal, without all the consumer protections that banks are required to provide.
I've been reading through the documentation, and there's no sign of all the security requirements Visa imposes on merchants.
(Well, actually there is [paypal.com] - under "Legal Agreements, Exhibit A".
But there's no sign of technical requirements to back them up.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29990218</id>
	<title>Re:one-letter domain?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257005280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Rare, but ICANN has allowed them from time to time.  Never visisted x.org?  Turn in your geek card for unfamiliarity with the X11 protocol.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Rare , but ICANN has allowed them from time to time .
Never visisted x.org ?
Turn in your geek card for unfamiliarity with the X11 protocol .
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rare, but ICANN has allowed them from time to time.
Never visisted x.org?
Turn in your geek card for unfamiliarity with the X11 protocol.
:-)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29986800</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29986866</id>
	<title>Paypal was originally x.com</title>
	<author>SashaMan</author>
	<datestamp>1256987940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Paypal has owned the x.com domain since before they were paypal (check wikipedia), so while x.com probably wasn't super cheap back in 1999, it's not like they just purchased it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Paypal has owned the x.com domain since before they were paypal ( check wikipedia ) , so while x.com probably was n't super cheap back in 1999 , it 's not like they just purchased it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Paypal has owned the x.com domain since before they were paypal (check wikipedia), so while x.com probably wasn't super cheap back in 1999, it's not like they just purchased it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29989568</id>
	<title>Re:redirect is better</title>
	<author>vanyel</author>
	<datestamp>1257000480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a paypal user from the other side, I like the redirect because it means I never see customer credit cards, so I don't have to deal with that level of security concerns...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a paypal user from the other side , I like the redirect because it means I never see customer credit cards , so I do n't have to deal with that level of security concerns.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a paypal user from the other side, I like the redirect because it means I never see customer credit cards, so I don't have to deal with that level of security concerns...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29987024</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29987876</id>
	<title>I wonder...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256991960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I wonder how much they paid for their domain: x.com?"</i> </p><p>.</p><p>I wonder if PayPal is ever going to provide anything better than barely mediocre customer service?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder how much they paid for their domain : x.com ?
" .I wonder if PayPal is ever going to provide anything better than barely mediocre customer service ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder how much they paid for their domain: x.com?
" .I wonder if PayPal is ever going to provide anything better than barely mediocre customer service?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29988242</id>
	<title>There goes all the conditioning...</title>
	<author>foxtyke</author>
	<datestamp>1256993700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have spent the better part of my digital life convincing people that Paypal credentials should ONLY be provided when on Paypal.com, when you have a nice SSL certificate showing Paypal, Inc. and the like.</p><p>Granted you could place your credentials on retailer sites through existing APIs but most retailers recognized the need for consistency and helped condition Paypal users to expect to be taken to Paypal.com to complete the transaction and then back to the retailer site.</p><p>I agree, the chances of phishing success just went up considerably with this decision and more likely than not, it will be affected normal everyday users of Paypal more than the new users.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have spent the better part of my digital life convincing people that Paypal credentials should ONLY be provided when on Paypal.com , when you have a nice SSL certificate showing Paypal , Inc. and the like.Granted you could place your credentials on retailer sites through existing APIs but most retailers recognized the need for consistency and helped condition Paypal users to expect to be taken to Paypal.com to complete the transaction and then back to the retailer site.I agree , the chances of phishing success just went up considerably with this decision and more likely than not , it will be affected normal everyday users of Paypal more than the new users .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have spent the better part of my digital life convincing people that Paypal credentials should ONLY be provided when on Paypal.com, when you have a nice SSL certificate showing Paypal, Inc. and the like.Granted you could place your credentials on retailer sites through existing APIs but most retailers recognized the need for consistency and helped condition Paypal users to expect to be taken to Paypal.com to complete the transaction and then back to the retailer site.I agree, the chances of phishing success just went up considerably with this decision and more likely than not, it will be affected normal everyday users of Paypal more than the new users.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29987322</id>
	<title>Security?</title>
	<author>Manip</author>
	<datestamp>1256989860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is sad news for me personally.</p><p>I always liked that I got redirected to PayPal.com to enter my PayPal details. Allowing me to check the SSL certificate and avoiding certain kinds of phishing fraud. Plus keeping my login details out of the hands of third parties who might enjoy looking at my payment history (which I agreed to in line 9999 subsection 5, amendment 3 of the T&amp;C).</p><p>Ironically while PayPal moves away from a redirection systems the big credit card companies (VISA, Mastercard, etc) are moving into one. Now often bringing up a password page operated by your CC company in order to verify that you haven't stolen card details.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is sad news for me personally.I always liked that I got redirected to PayPal.com to enter my PayPal details .
Allowing me to check the SSL certificate and avoiding certain kinds of phishing fraud .
Plus keeping my login details out of the hands of third parties who might enjoy looking at my payment history ( which I agreed to in line 9999 subsection 5 , amendment 3 of the T&amp;C ) .Ironically while PayPal moves away from a redirection systems the big credit card companies ( VISA , Mastercard , etc ) are moving into one .
Now often bringing up a password page operated by your CC company in order to verify that you have n't stolen card details .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is sad news for me personally.I always liked that I got redirected to PayPal.com to enter my PayPal details.
Allowing me to check the SSL certificate and avoiding certain kinds of phishing fraud.
Plus keeping my login details out of the hands of third parties who might enjoy looking at my payment history (which I agreed to in line 9999 subsection 5, amendment 3 of the T&amp;C).Ironically while PayPal moves away from a redirection systems the big credit card companies (VISA, Mastercard, etc) are moving into one.
Now often bringing up a password page operated by your CC company in order to verify that you haven't stolen card details.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29988748</id>
	<title>Re:x.com</title>
	<author>TomXP411</author>
	<datestamp>1256996220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not true.

x.com and PayPal were two different companies with two different products back in 2000.

x was a bank, PP was an on-line payment service.

By buying x.com, PayPal was able to offer debit cards and some other fun stuff they couldn't before (at least not without getting a charter as a bank, which is probably more expensive than simply buying a bank...)

I remember it well; I had an x.com debit card at the time, and I used to use both services.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not true .
x.com and PayPal were two different companies with two different products back in 2000 . x was a bank , PP was an on-line payment service .
By buying x.com , PayPal was able to offer debit cards and some other fun stuff they could n't before ( at least not without getting a charter as a bank , which is probably more expensive than simply buying a bank... ) I remember it well ; I had an x.com debit card at the time , and I used to use both services .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not true.
x.com and PayPal were two different companies with two different products back in 2000.

x was a bank, PP was an on-line payment service.
By buying x.com, PayPal was able to offer debit cards and some other fun stuff they couldn't before (at least not without getting a charter as a bank, which is probably more expensive than simply buying a bank...)

I remember it well; I had an x.com debit card at the time, and I used to use both services.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29987058</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29993616</id>
	<title>I really hope they thought about it, a long time</title>
	<author>Ilgaz</author>
	<datestamp>1257429960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hate posting 2 line messages but if you look at <a href="http://www.phishtank.com/" title="phishtank.com">http://www.phishtank.com/</a> [phishtank.com] which the data is community provided/validated and open, I have real bad feelings about the upcoming API. Hopefully they don't trust the general public to know what an API is while they keep clicking the links on spam mails they get.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hate posting 2 line messages but if you look at http : //www.phishtank.com/ [ phishtank.com ] which the data is community provided/validated and open , I have real bad feelings about the upcoming API .
Hopefully they do n't trust the general public to know what an API is while they keep clicking the links on spam mails they get .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hate posting 2 line messages but if you look at http://www.phishtank.com/ [phishtank.com] which the data is community provided/validated and open, I have real bad feelings about the upcoming API.
Hopefully they don't trust the general public to know what an API is while they keep clicking the links on spam mails they get.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29996892</id>
	<title>Re:Poor choice of words...</title>
	<author>timeOday</author>
	<datestamp>1257446640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Besides, I <i>have</i> had payments frozen and while irritating, you have to remember that without that option, fewer customers would dare to send you money in the first place.  It's a cost of doing business, like accepting returns.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Besides , I have had payments frozen and while irritating , you have to remember that without that option , fewer customers would dare to send you money in the first place .
It 's a cost of doing business , like accepting returns .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Besides, I have had payments frozen and while irritating, you have to remember that without that option, fewer customers would dare to send you money in the first place.
It's a cost of doing business, like accepting returns.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29987880</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29989182</id>
	<title>x.com?</title>
	<author>MostAwesomeDude</author>
	<datestamp>1256998560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey, whatever gets us more page views.</p><p>(If you haven't been to <a href="http://x.org/" title="x.org">http://x.org/</a> [x.org] , you might not get the joke.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey , whatever gets us more page views .
( If you have n't been to http : //x.org/ [ x.org ] , you might not get the joke .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey, whatever gets us more page views.
(If you haven't been to http://x.org/ [x.org] , you might not get the joke.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29988172</id>
	<title>where is</title>
	<author>zero.kalvin</author>
	<datestamp>1256993400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Where is the whatcouldpossiblygoeswrong tag ?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Where is the whatcouldpossiblygoeswrong tag ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where is the whatcouldpossiblygoeswrong tag ?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29991658</id>
	<title>Re:Bummer!</title>
	<author>MrPerfekt</author>
	<datestamp>1257017820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You clearly haven't tried to manage fraud on more than 70 million active accounts. Anybody that's had a high school statistics class will tell you that some innocent people are going to get caught in the net. Of course, it's not perfect. It never will be. Neither is the Visa fraud system that denies charges that it deems to be "out of character" for your habits. But I don't see you bitching that Visa won't let you buy a lifetime subscription to your favorite monkeyporn site.</p><p>My point is that, PayPal gets a bad rap because of a small minority of people that have had a bad experience because they met the fraud models that were put in place to protect the other millions and millions of customers. Sorry to hear about the misfortune. Life goes on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You clearly have n't tried to manage fraud on more than 70 million active accounts .
Anybody that 's had a high school statistics class will tell you that some innocent people are going to get caught in the net .
Of course , it 's not perfect .
It never will be .
Neither is the Visa fraud system that denies charges that it deems to be " out of character " for your habits .
But I do n't see you bitching that Visa wo n't let you buy a lifetime subscription to your favorite monkeyporn site.My point is that , PayPal gets a bad rap because of a small minority of people that have had a bad experience because they met the fraud models that were put in place to protect the other millions and millions of customers .
Sorry to hear about the misfortune .
Life goes on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You clearly haven't tried to manage fraud on more than 70 million active accounts.
Anybody that's had a high school statistics class will tell you that some innocent people are going to get caught in the net.
Of course, it's not perfect.
It never will be.
Neither is the Visa fraud system that denies charges that it deems to be "out of character" for your habits.
But I don't see you bitching that Visa won't let you buy a lifetime subscription to your favorite monkeyporn site.My point is that, PayPal gets a bad rap because of a small minority of people that have had a bad experience because they met the fraud models that were put in place to protect the other millions and millions of customers.
Sorry to hear about the misfortune.
Life goes on.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29987426</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29989412</id>
	<title>Re:API???</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256999640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>x.com was a company that was acquired by paypal in the early days (elon musck's company)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>x.com was a company that was acquired by paypal in the early days ( elon musck 's company )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>x.com was a company that was acquired by paypal in the early days (elon musck's company)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29986788</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29986788</id>
	<title>API???</title>
	<author>click2005</author>
	<datestamp>1256987640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><b>A</b>nother <b>P</b>rice <b>I</b>ncrease</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Another Price Increase</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another Price Increase</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.30011736</id>
	<title>Re:Um...guys....</title>
	<author>patniemeyer</author>
	<datestamp>1257516960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The existing Paypal Payments Pro API is as you describe (though it's $30/mo now) and it does let you accept credit cards on your site directly. The new API lets you do some more sophisticated things on the back end (like Amazon FPS currently does) including splitting payments among multiple receivers or making payments to many receivers at the same time. There is also micropayment support.</p><p>The limitation that I see at the moment is that the new API only lets you make payments with a paypal account - you can't (yet, they say they are looking into it) do these fancier things with a raw credit card payment. This is also a limitation of Amazon FPS as far as I know - you can only make payments with an amazon account, not a raw credit card... which seriously limits the usefulness of these systems for consumer applications right now, as far as I can see.</p><p>I recently did some integration with the other Paypal API (website payments "standard) - the one which requires that you shuffle the user off to their pages and then get them back at the end. It worked fairly well, though I have to say that their documentation and examples are terrible... Hopefully their new API will come with some better developer docs.</p><p>Pat</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The existing Paypal Payments Pro API is as you describe ( though it 's $ 30/mo now ) and it does let you accept credit cards on your site directly .
The new API lets you do some more sophisticated things on the back end ( like Amazon FPS currently does ) including splitting payments among multiple receivers or making payments to many receivers at the same time .
There is also micropayment support.The limitation that I see at the moment is that the new API only lets you make payments with a paypal account - you ca n't ( yet , they say they are looking into it ) do these fancier things with a raw credit card payment .
This is also a limitation of Amazon FPS as far as I know - you can only make payments with an amazon account , not a raw credit card... which seriously limits the usefulness of these systems for consumer applications right now , as far as I can see.I recently did some integration with the other Paypal API ( website payments " standard ) - the one which requires that you shuffle the user off to their pages and then get them back at the end .
It worked fairly well , though I have to say that their documentation and examples are terrible... Hopefully their new API will come with some better developer docs.Pat</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The existing Paypal Payments Pro API is as you describe (though it's $30/mo now) and it does let you accept credit cards on your site directly.
The new API lets you do some more sophisticated things on the back end (like Amazon FPS currently does) including splitting payments among multiple receivers or making payments to many receivers at the same time.
There is also micropayment support.The limitation that I see at the moment is that the new API only lets you make payments with a paypal account - you can't (yet, they say they are looking into it) do these fancier things with a raw credit card payment.
This is also a limitation of Amazon FPS as far as I know - you can only make payments with an amazon account, not a raw credit card... which seriously limits the usefulness of these systems for consumer applications right now, as far as I can see.I recently did some integration with the other Paypal API (website payments "standard) - the one which requires that you shuffle the user off to their pages and then get them back at the end.
It worked fairly well, though I have to say that their documentation and examples are terrible... Hopefully their new API will come with some better developer docs.Pat</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29986820</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29986820</id>
	<title>Um...guys....</title>
	<author>Itninja</author>
	<datestamp>1256987760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was doing this on an ecommerce site I administered like four years ago. It was called PayPal Payments Pro (or some such) and cost $20/month. No redirects at all. Other than the new domain, what's new? Is it free now?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was doing this on an ecommerce site I administered like four years ago .
It was called PayPal Payments Pro ( or some such ) and cost $ 20/month .
No redirects at all .
Other than the new domain , what 's new ?
Is it free now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was doing this on an ecommerce site I administered like four years ago.
It was called PayPal Payments Pro (or some such) and cost $20/month.
No redirects at all.
Other than the new domain, what's new?
Is it free now?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29996330</id>
	<title>Re:redirect is better</title>
	<author>daid303</author>
	<datestamp>1257443880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Indeed. The dutch payment system "iDeal" works like this, you are redirected to your own bank site. And make a payment from there. I know that under the hood there are XML files exchanged with no sensitive information, and I enjoy the protection of my own bank. I don't even need to have an account at a 3th party (like paypal)</p><p>It works great, many sites support the payment option (webshops, WoW,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...) and it feels really secure. Just a shame steam doesn't support it yet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed .
The dutch payment system " iDeal " works like this , you are redirected to your own bank site .
And make a payment from there .
I know that under the hood there are XML files exchanged with no sensitive information , and I enjoy the protection of my own bank .
I do n't even need to have an account at a 3th party ( like paypal ) It works great , many sites support the payment option ( webshops , WoW , ... ) and it feels really secure .
Just a shame steam does n't support it yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed.
The dutch payment system "iDeal" works like this, you are redirected to your own bank site.
And make a payment from there.
I know that under the hood there are XML files exchanged with no sensitive information, and I enjoy the protection of my own bank.
I don't even need to have an account at a 3th party (like paypal)It works great, many sites support the payment option (webshops, WoW, ...) and it feels really secure.
Just a shame steam doesn't support it yet.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29987024</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29988134</id>
	<title>Re:Security?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256993220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Now often bringing up a password page operated by your CC company in order to verify that you haven't stolen card details.</p></div><p>Yeah and what a freaking scam that is.  While in theory things like "Verified By Visa" seem like a good idea, it is extra security after all, all it's really doing is making you liable if someone happens to hack your Verified By Visa account.  It is probably easy to do considering it seems to use some funky redirecting XSS type crap (ie. it won't work if you have javascript off and it can probably be easily intercepted/man-in-the-middled by 3rd parties).  If that happens you might no longer be as well protected by the fraud laws that limit your liability (which is $50 in the US).  Search around and you can find more information (see <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/07/verified\_by\_visa\_compulsion/" title="theregister.co.uk" rel="nofollow">here</a> [theregister.co.uk] for starters).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now often bringing up a password page operated by your CC company in order to verify that you have n't stolen card details.Yeah and what a freaking scam that is .
While in theory things like " Verified By Visa " seem like a good idea , it is extra security after all , all it 's really doing is making you liable if someone happens to hack your Verified By Visa account .
It is probably easy to do considering it seems to use some funky redirecting XSS type crap ( ie .
it wo n't work if you have javascript off and it can probably be easily intercepted/man-in-the-middled by 3rd parties ) .
If that happens you might no longer be as well protected by the fraud laws that limit your liability ( which is $ 50 in the US ) .
Search around and you can find more information ( see here [ theregister.co.uk ] for starters ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now often bringing up a password page operated by your CC company in order to verify that you haven't stolen card details.Yeah and what a freaking scam that is.
While in theory things like "Verified By Visa" seem like a good idea, it is extra security after all, all it's really doing is making you liable if someone happens to hack your Verified By Visa account.
It is probably easy to do considering it seems to use some funky redirecting XSS type crap (ie.
it won't work if you have javascript off and it can probably be easily intercepted/man-in-the-middled by 3rd parties).
If that happens you might no longer be as well protected by the fraud laws that limit your liability (which is $50 in the US).
Search around and you can find more information (see here [theregister.co.uk] for starters).
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29987322</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29987226</id>
	<title>Re:Paypal was originally x.com</title>
	<author>White Flame</author>
	<datestamp>1256989500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I still have my old x.com credit card.  It's a great geeky X-Com commemorative, even though it has nothing to do with the game.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-D</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I still have my old x.com credit card .
It 's a great geeky X-Com commemorative , even though it has nothing to do with the game .
: -D</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I still have my old x.com credit card.
It's a great geeky X-Com commemorative, even though it has nothing to do with the game.
:-D</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29986866</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29987426</id>
	<title>Re:Bummer!</title>
	<author>nametaken</author>
	<datestamp>1256990160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're kidding, right?  Did you just call PayPal a reputable company?  You clearly haven't had an account seized for no particular reason... or the various other nefarious shit they're known for.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're kidding , right ?
Did you just call PayPal a reputable company ?
You clearly have n't had an account seized for no particular reason... or the various other nefarious shit they 're known for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're kidding, right?
Did you just call PayPal a reputable company?
You clearly haven't had an account seized for no particular reason... or the various other nefarious shit they're known for.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29987026</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29987478</id>
	<title>Re:redirect is better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256990400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sort of off topic, but something that might interest you if you haven't seen it before is a feature Citi offers with their credit cards called <a href="https://www.citicards.com/cards/wv/detail.do?screenID=700#cmlink\_Van\_Flash\_Image" title="citicards.com" rel="nofollow">virtual account numbers</a> [citicards.com]. Basically, it allows you to generate different numbers that point back to your real account and are only good for one use. You can also limit the amount of time they're active as well as put a cap on how much money can be drawn from it. Pretty cool.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sort of off topic , but something that might interest you if you have n't seen it before is a feature Citi offers with their credit cards called virtual account numbers [ citicards.com ] .
Basically , it allows you to generate different numbers that point back to your real account and are only good for one use .
You can also limit the amount of time they 're active as well as put a cap on how much money can be drawn from it .
Pretty cool .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sort of off topic, but something that might interest you if you haven't seen it before is a feature Citi offers with their credit cards called virtual account numbers [citicards.com].
Basically, it allows you to generate different numbers that point back to your real account and are only good for one use.
You can also limit the amount of time they're active as well as put a cap on how much money can be drawn from it.
Pretty cool.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29987024</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29986992</id>
	<title>I wonder what PCI implications this will have.</title>
	<author>marbike</author>
	<datestamp>1256988600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A lot of companies expend a great deal of resources in order to conform to PCI-DSS.  The need for extensive testing, Web App Firewalls and the like is a pricey and time consuming activities for merchants dealing with PCI. When seasoned developers often forget to mask PANs, I wonder what the novice developer will do.  I hope that this service will include some PCI guidelines so small merchants won't get bit in the ass by the certification bug.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A lot of companies expend a great deal of resources in order to conform to PCI-DSS .
The need for extensive testing , Web App Firewalls and the like is a pricey and time consuming activities for merchants dealing with PCI .
When seasoned developers often forget to mask PANs , I wonder what the novice developer will do .
I hope that this service will include some PCI guidelines so small merchants wo n't get bit in the ass by the certification bug .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A lot of companies expend a great deal of resources in order to conform to PCI-DSS.
The need for extensive testing, Web App Firewalls and the like is a pricey and time consuming activities for merchants dealing with PCI.
When seasoned developers often forget to mask PANs, I wonder what the novice developer will do.
I hope that this service will include some PCI guidelines so small merchants won't get bit in the ass by the certification bug.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.30011510</id>
	<title>I would not use this method of payment either</title>
	<author>bruceslog</author>
	<datestamp>1257513900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As mentioned in several posts before this one, I prefer to be redirected to PayPal's own website, and being asked to confirm my UID and password there.
The whole idea behind PayPal was always anonymity when making payments online. The website you were purchasing from never had a chance to get your payment information. Being redirected to PayPal to make such an 'anonymous' payment to any website, made transactions safe and secure ( with any legitimate website, anyway ), and it also let me double check that I was indeed being redirected to PayPal, and not to some web page in Nigeria. .
With this API, I don't think that I can never be sure of that. Too much is happening behind the scene.
I would be entering my payment info into the web server of company xyz. In fact, alot of different company xyz's, throughout the year. Are each of these companies promising me that they aren't keeping my payment info ? Is my payment info being automatically and silently backed up into a dozen places on the operating system ? Histories ? Web Logs ? Is company xyz promising me that their system is well maintained, locked down, and they can safeguard the information that I have entered into their web page ? Will there never be any scripts on their web server that can capture my information and send it to Nigeria ?
I don't think so.

I don't see why PayPal is moving away from the security model that sold so many of us into using their service to begin with. And, just for PayPal's information, I don't like the new idea.
I guess that all I can hope for is that PayPal insists that all of their clients include a link for me to go to the PayPal webpage to complete a transaction, just the way it has been for years now. And put that link somewhere close by this new API gizmo of theirs..</htmltext>
<tokenext>As mentioned in several posts before this one , I prefer to be redirected to PayPal 's own website , and being asked to confirm my UID and password there .
The whole idea behind PayPal was always anonymity when making payments online .
The website you were purchasing from never had a chance to get your payment information .
Being redirected to PayPal to make such an 'anonymous ' payment to any website , made transactions safe and secure ( with any legitimate website , anyway ) , and it also let me double check that I was indeed being redirected to PayPal , and not to some web page in Nigeria .
. With this API , I do n't think that I can never be sure of that .
Too much is happening behind the scene .
I would be entering my payment info into the web server of company xyz .
In fact , alot of different company xyz 's , throughout the year .
Are each of these companies promising me that they are n't keeping my payment info ?
Is my payment info being automatically and silently backed up into a dozen places on the operating system ?
Histories ?
Web Logs ?
Is company xyz promising me that their system is well maintained , locked down , and they can safeguard the information that I have entered into their web page ?
Will there never be any scripts on their web server that can capture my information and send it to Nigeria ?
I do n't think so .
I do n't see why PayPal is moving away from the security model that sold so many of us into using their service to begin with .
And , just for PayPal 's information , I do n't like the new idea .
I guess that all I can hope for is that PayPal insists that all of their clients include a link for me to go to the PayPal webpage to complete a transaction , just the way it has been for years now .
And put that link somewhere close by this new API gizmo of theirs. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As mentioned in several posts before this one, I prefer to be redirected to PayPal's own website, and being asked to confirm my UID and password there.
The whole idea behind PayPal was always anonymity when making payments online.
The website you were purchasing from never had a chance to get your payment information.
Being redirected to PayPal to make such an 'anonymous' payment to any website, made transactions safe and secure ( with any legitimate website, anyway ), and it also let me double check that I was indeed being redirected to PayPal, and not to some web page in Nigeria.
.
With this API, I don't think that I can never be sure of that.
Too much is happening behind the scene.
I would be entering my payment info into the web server of company xyz.
In fact, alot of different company xyz's, throughout the year.
Are each of these companies promising me that they aren't keeping my payment info ?
Is my payment info being automatically and silently backed up into a dozen places on the operating system ?
Histories ?
Web Logs ?
Is company xyz promising me that their system is well maintained, locked down, and they can safeguard the information that I have entered into their web page ?
Will there never be any scripts on their web server that can capture my information and send it to Nigeria ?
I don't think so.
I don't see why PayPal is moving away from the security model that sold so many of us into using their service to begin with.
And, just for PayPal's information, I don't like the new idea.
I guess that all I can hope for is that PayPal insists that all of their clients include a link for me to go to the PayPal webpage to complete a transaction, just the way it has been for years now.
And put that link somewhere close by this new API gizmo of theirs..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29998460</id>
	<title>x.com used to be a Bank run by PayPal circa 2001</title>
	<author>idioto</author>
	<datestamp>1257453420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>x.com was a crazy bank in 2001, I used it a lot, and yes it was run by PayPal.  Why was it crazy?  Because it allowed me to take money from my credit cards and deposit them to a bank account using the web.  I could then pull cash out at an ATM, write a check to another credit card company.  It really saved me a few times, but in the end it only lasted about 6 months before PayPal really took off and they cut back the wacky services eventually the service altogether.  Yeah, I had an x.com ATM card.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>x.com was a crazy bank in 2001 , I used it a lot , and yes it was run by PayPal .
Why was it crazy ?
Because it allowed me to take money from my credit cards and deposit them to a bank account using the web .
I could then pull cash out at an ATM , write a check to another credit card company .
It really saved me a few times , but in the end it only lasted about 6 months before PayPal really took off and they cut back the wacky services eventually the service altogether .
Yeah , I had an x.com ATM card .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>x.com was a crazy bank in 2001, I used it a lot, and yes it was run by PayPal.
Why was it crazy?
Because it allowed me to take money from my credit cards and deposit them to a bank account using the web.
I could then pull cash out at an ATM, write a check to another credit card company.
It really saved me a few times, but in the end it only lasted about 6 months before PayPal really took off and they cut back the wacky services eventually the service altogether.
Yeah, I had an x.com ATM card.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29987430</id>
	<title>No parking.</title>
	<author>Snufu</author>
	<datestamp>1256990160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I wonder how much they paid for their domain: x.com?</p></div><p>
It's variable.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder how much they paid for their domain : x.com ?
It 's variable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder how much they paid for their domain: x.com?
It's variable.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29986936</id>
	<title>Re:one-letter domain?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256988360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You're on Slashdot and you've never been to x.org?</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're on Slashdot and you 've never been to x.org ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're on Slashdot and you've never been to x.org?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29991210</id>
	<title>Re:You have a short memory...</title>
	<author>bipbop</author>
	<datestamp>1257013320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You'd be surprised if they paid more than a four-figure sum for the domain?  Valuable domains sold in the millions in the late 90s, and that was oct 1999, only a few months away from the peak of the dot-com bubble.  I can't find data on how much x.com was sold for, but for some examples selling in the millions in '99, look at altavista.com, autos.com, business.com--and I'm only at the start of the alphabet there.</p><p>Anyway, this is kind of an unimportant point to make, but the irony of saying someone else has a short memory while completely forgetting how crazy things were in '99 amused me enough to respond<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 'd be surprised if they paid more than a four-figure sum for the domain ?
Valuable domains sold in the millions in the late 90s , and that was oct 1999 , only a few months away from the peak of the dot-com bubble .
I ca n't find data on how much x.com was sold for , but for some examples selling in the millions in '99 , look at altavista.com , autos.com , business.com--and I 'm only at the start of the alphabet there.Anyway , this is kind of an unimportant point to make , but the irony of saying someone else has a short memory while completely forgetting how crazy things were in '99 amused me enough to respond ; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You'd be surprised if they paid more than a four-figure sum for the domain?
Valuable domains sold in the millions in the late 90s, and that was oct 1999, only a few months away from the peak of the dot-com bubble.
I can't find data on how much x.com was sold for, but for some examples selling in the millions in '99, look at altavista.com, autos.com, business.com--and I'm only at the start of the alphabet there.Anyway, this is kind of an unimportant point to make, but the irony of saying someone else has a short memory while completely forgetting how crazy things were in '99 amused me enough to respond ;-)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29988086</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_2151245.29988706</id>
	<title>mod uP</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256995980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>hand...Don'T our ability to And sold in the driven out by the</htmltext>
<tokenext>hand...Do n'T our ability to And sold in the driven out by the</tokentext>
<sentencetext>hand...Don'T our ability to And sold in the driven out by the</sentencetext>
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