<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_03_1842247</id>
	<title>The Tech Aboard the International Space Station</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1257273960000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>CNETNate writes <i>"With its own file server for uploaded Hollywood blockbusters, a 10Mbps Internet connection to Earth, and around a hundred IBM ThinkPad notebooks, the consumer technology aboard the $150 billion International Space Station is impressive. It's the responsibility of just two guys to maintain the uptime of the Space Station's IT, and they have given CNET an <a href="http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/0,39029552,49304003,00.htm">in-depth interview to explain what tech's aboard</a>, how it works, and whether Windows viruses are a threat to the astronauts. In a related feature, the Space Station's internal network (which operates over bandwidth of just 1Mbps) and its connected array of Lenovo notebooks is explained, along with <a href="http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/0,39029552,49303917,00.htm">the tech we could see in the future</a>."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>CNETNate writes " With its own file server for uploaded Hollywood blockbusters , a 10Mbps Internet connection to Earth , and around a hundred IBM ThinkPad notebooks , the consumer technology aboard the $ 150 billion International Space Station is impressive .
It 's the responsibility of just two guys to maintain the uptime of the Space Station 's IT , and they have given CNET an in-depth interview to explain what tech 's aboard , how it works , and whether Windows viruses are a threat to the astronauts .
In a related feature , the Space Station 's internal network ( which operates over bandwidth of just 1Mbps ) and its connected array of Lenovo notebooks is explained , along with the tech we could see in the future .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>CNETNate writes "With its own file server for uploaded Hollywood blockbusters, a 10Mbps Internet connection to Earth, and around a hundred IBM ThinkPad notebooks, the consumer technology aboard the $150 billion International Space Station is impressive.
It's the responsibility of just two guys to maintain the uptime of the Space Station's IT, and they have given CNET an in-depth interview to explain what tech's aboard, how it works, and whether Windows viruses are a threat to the astronauts.
In a related feature, the Space Station's internal network (which operates over bandwidth of just 1Mbps) and its connected array of Lenovo notebooks is explained, along with the tech we could see in the future.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29967254</id>
	<title>ISS colocation facility?</title>
	<author>kimvette</author>
	<datestamp>1257281700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey, I have an idea!  Maybe thepiratebay.org could relocate their servers to be colocated on the ISS. I think the upper stratosphere is out of the Swedish court's jurisdiction!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey , I have an idea !
Maybe thepiratebay.org could relocate their servers to be colocated on the ISS .
I think the upper stratosphere is out of the Swedish court 's jurisdiction !
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey, I have an idea!
Maybe thepiratebay.org could relocate their servers to be colocated on the ISS.
I think the upper stratosphere is out of the Swedish court's jurisdiction!
;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29967778</id>
	<title>What a newb...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257240900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is it just me or did the IT guy from NASA sound like a total technoweenie.  I noticed he kept repeating himself using buzzwords...in some sentences he said the exact same thing twice: "There's a server on our network, so it's a Client/Server network" O'RLY?  And instead of saying reformat he said reload and rewipe and his "buzzword slang" kept changing...how did such a newb get to work at NASA?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it just me or did the IT guy from NASA sound like a total technoweenie .
I noticed he kept repeating himself using buzzwords...in some sentences he said the exact same thing twice : " There 's a server on our network , so it 's a Client/Server network " O'RLY ?
And instead of saying reformat he said reload and rewipe and his " buzzword slang " kept changing...how did such a newb get to work at NASA ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it just me or did the IT guy from NASA sound like a total technoweenie.
I noticed he kept repeating himself using buzzwords...in some sentences he said the exact same thing twice: "There's a server on our network, so it's a Client/Server network" O'RLY?
And instead of saying reformat he said reload and rewipe and his "buzzword slang" kept changing...how did such a newb get to work at NASA?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29967304</id>
	<title>Re:ISS isolated from windows viruses ?</title>
	<author>LWATCDR</author>
	<datestamp>1257281940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds like a job for Linux or Solaris..<br>I wonder how many visual basic applications are being run on the ISS. No I am not trolling. A lot of experimental control systems are written in VB because it is so easy to throw together an application.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like a job for Linux or Solaris..I wonder how many visual basic applications are being run on the ISS .
No I am not trolling .
A lot of experimental control systems are written in VB because it is so easy to throw together an application .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like a job for Linux or Solaris..I wonder how many visual basic applications are being run on the ISS.
No I am not trolling.
A lot of experimental control systems are written in VB because it is so easy to throw together an application.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29967044</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting thought</title>
	<author>jeffmeden</author>
	<datestamp>1257280680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OK you get two points for +1crazy.  Point 1; the ISS completes an ENTIRE orbit in 90 minutes.  That means that if you had an antenna pointed straight up, and say you used a moderate gain antenna with a 5 degree beam, you will get just over ONE minute of access before you need to adjust the antenna.  You would need a pretty sophisticated ground tracking mechanism to have any hope of keeping the connection alive for more than a minute.</p><p>On to 2.  WiFi uses an ack timeout in the microsecond range.  This means that for a typically configured transceiver, you are racing the speed of light with that timeout window.  The practical limit happens to be around 20 miles, or 32 kilometers.  Not quite enough to get you to the ISS.</p><p>Good luck, though!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OK you get two points for + 1crazy .
Point 1 ; the ISS completes an ENTIRE orbit in 90 minutes .
That means that if you had an antenna pointed straight up , and say you used a moderate gain antenna with a 5 degree beam , you will get just over ONE minute of access before you need to adjust the antenna .
You would need a pretty sophisticated ground tracking mechanism to have any hope of keeping the connection alive for more than a minute.On to 2 .
WiFi uses an ack timeout in the microsecond range .
This means that for a typically configured transceiver , you are racing the speed of light with that timeout window .
The practical limit happens to be around 20 miles , or 32 kilometers .
Not quite enough to get you to the ISS.Good luck , though !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK you get two points for +1crazy.
Point 1; the ISS completes an ENTIRE orbit in 90 minutes.
That means that if you had an antenna pointed straight up, and say you used a moderate gain antenna with a 5 degree beam, you will get just over ONE minute of access before you need to adjust the antenna.
You would need a pretty sophisticated ground tracking mechanism to have any hope of keeping the connection alive for more than a minute.On to 2.
WiFi uses an ack timeout in the microsecond range.
This means that for a typically configured transceiver, you are racing the speed of light with that timeout window.
The practical limit happens to be around 20 miles, or 32 kilometers.
Not quite enough to get you to the ISS.Good luck, though!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29971012</id>
	<title>Re:Unaddressed question</title>
	<author>dissy</author>
	<datestamp>1257252600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>will they be sold off when they are replaced? I would love for my next laptop to be one that spent several years in orbit!</p></div><p>Not to dash your dreams of owning one of their laptops, but can you imagine the killing those could make at an auction?<br>(Normally I would say on eBay.. but screw eBay)</p><p>I'm sure there are people out there that would value the fact they have been in space for so long, and/or are ISS left overs, that they could fetch a nice price on that alone.<br>This would be true for most any hardware they bring back come to think of it.</p><p>It would be funny to see what percentage of their next mission was funded from auctioning off parts of the last mission<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>will they be sold off when they are replaced ?
I would love for my next laptop to be one that spent several years in orbit ! Not to dash your dreams of owning one of their laptops , but can you imagine the killing those could make at an auction ?
( Normally I would say on eBay.. but screw eBay ) I 'm sure there are people out there that would value the fact they have been in space for so long , and/or are ISS left overs , that they could fetch a nice price on that alone.This would be true for most any hardware they bring back come to think of it.It would be funny to see what percentage of their next mission was funded from auctioning off parts of the last mission : D</tokentext>
<sentencetext>will they be sold off when they are replaced?
I would love for my next laptop to be one that spent several years in orbit!Not to dash your dreams of owning one of their laptops, but can you imagine the killing those could make at an auction?
(Normally I would say on eBay.. but screw eBay)I'm sure there are people out there that would value the fact they have been in space for so long, and/or are ISS left overs, that they could fetch a nice price on that alone.This would be true for most any hardware they bring back come to think of it.It would be funny to see what percentage of their next mission was funded from auctioning off parts of the last mission :D
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29967230</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting thought</title>
	<author>Geoffrey.landis</author>
	<datestamp>1257281640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>... I say we all point our collective WiFi antennae up and try and see the first person to connect up to their network.  Of course, you'd only have about 90 minutes of access as I recall; the ISS orbits too fast for much more access time.</p></div><p>It makes one orbit every 90 minutes, so the visibility from a ground station is a lot less than that!
</p><p>Maybe you meant 90 seconds?  that's more like right.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... I say we all point our collective WiFi antennae up and try and see the first person to connect up to their network .
Of course , you 'd only have about 90 minutes of access as I recall ; the ISS orbits too fast for much more access time.It makes one orbit every 90 minutes , so the visibility from a ground station is a lot less than that !
Maybe you meant 90 seconds ?
that 's more like right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... I say we all point our collective WiFi antennae up and try and see the first person to connect up to their network.
Of course, you'd only have about 90 minutes of access as I recall; the ISS orbits too fast for much more access time.It makes one orbit every 90 minutes, so the visibility from a ground station is a lot less than that!
Maybe you meant 90 seconds?
that's more like right.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29968458</id>
	<title>Re:It's very sad</title>
	<author>Truth is life</author>
	<datestamp>1257243780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you needed to radiation-harden these laptops, you'd need to radiation-harden the astronauts, too. The protection of the Van Allen belts and the structure of the ISS itself should provide adequate coverage without any special measures.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you needed to radiation-harden these laptops , you 'd need to radiation-harden the astronauts , too .
The protection of the Van Allen belts and the structure of the ISS itself should provide adequate coverage without any special measures .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you needed to radiation-harden these laptops, you'd need to radiation-harden the astronauts, too.
The protection of the Van Allen belts and the structure of the ISS itself should provide adequate coverage without any special measures.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29967904</id>
	<title>Re:Unaddressed question</title>
	<author>spectrokid</author>
	<datestamp>1257241500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Return vehicles are used for astronauts and important stuff.  Not to fill up Ebay.   My guess is they wil end up as waste in a supply vessel (like the EU Jules Verne) and burn on re-entry.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Return vehicles are used for astronauts and important stuff .
Not to fill up Ebay .
My guess is they wil end up as waste in a supply vessel ( like the EU Jules Verne ) and burn on re-entry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Return vehicles are used for astronauts and important stuff.
Not to fill up Ebay.
My guess is they wil end up as waste in a supply vessel (like the EU Jules Verne) and burn on re-entry.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29967066</id>
	<title>Re:Issues with such networks generalize to Mars</title>
	<author>easyTree</author>
	<datestamp>1257280860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Presumably, they'll be connected with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansible" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">ansibles</a> [wikipedia.org]...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Presumably , they 'll be connected with ansibles [ wikipedia.org ] .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Presumably, they'll be connected with ansibles [wikipedia.org]...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29967426</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>Sponge Bath</author>
	<datestamp>1257239280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>Space pirates!!</i></p><p>Fry: Space pirates?<br>Leela: You know... pirates, but in space!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Space pirates !
! Fry : Space pirates ? Leela : You know... pirates , but in space !</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Space pirates!
!Fry: Space pirates?Leela: You know... pirates, but in space!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29966606</id>
	<title>Re:Issues with such networks generalize to Mars</title>
	<author>2.7182</author>
	<datestamp>1257278040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Colonize? I think you mean conquer, and enslave the troglodites populations to mine dilithium for our fast than light ships. Hopefully we'll be able to genetically modify navigators for them. Or find some handsome young captains to fly around and defeat gods.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Colonize ?
I think you mean conquer , and enslave the troglodites populations to mine dilithium for our fast than light ships .
Hopefully we 'll be able to genetically modify navigators for them .
Or find some handsome young captains to fly around and defeat gods .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Colonize?
I think you mean conquer, and enslave the troglodites populations to mine dilithium for our fast than light ships.
Hopefully we'll be able to genetically modify navigators for them.
Or find some handsome young captains to fly around and defeat gods.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29966920</id>
	<title>I smell some...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257279960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>copyright violations... What special privilege do they get from the RIAA etc. I want it too!</htmltext>
<tokenext>copyright violations... What special privilege do they get from the RIAA etc .
I want it too !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>copyright violations... What special privilege do they get from the RIAA etc.
I want it too!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29992656</id>
	<title>A new kind of BOFH</title>
	<author>jbatista</author>
	<datestamp>1257419160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>BOFH, meet the new guy, the Bastard Operator From Space.</htmltext>
<tokenext>BOFH , meet the new guy , the Bastard Operator From Space .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BOFH, meet the new guy, the Bastard Operator From Space.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29966746</id>
	<title>Re:It's very sad</title>
	<author>blueg3</author>
	<datestamp>1257278880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's Slashdot for you. The CNet article is titled "Interview: The Space Station's IT guys".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's Slashdot for you .
The CNet article is titled " Interview : The Space Station 's IT guys " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's Slashdot for you.
The CNet article is titled "Interview: The Space Station's IT guys".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29966956</id>
	<title>Re:Issues with such networks generalize to Mars</title>
	<author>jank1887</author>
	<datestamp>1257280140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>hmmmm... so, what would the 'cost' of spam sent to mars be?  and how easy would it be to DoS that single, high latency link?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>hmmmm... so , what would the 'cost ' of spam sent to mars be ?
and how easy would it be to DoS that single , high latency link ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>hmmmm... so, what would the 'cost' of spam sent to mars be?
and how easy would it be to DoS that single, high latency link?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29968476</id>
	<title>Colonization Priorities...Space Porn.</title>
	<author>geekmux</author>
	<datestamp>1257243840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In the very long run, after we colonize Mars and possibly the Moon, latency issues will become even more severe. It will be interesting to see whether we will simply give them separate networks or have those networks as part of the internet. If the second occurs, we may need new protocols to deal with the large latency and related issues.</p></div><p>Er, Wow.  You're worried about network latency and we haven't even put the first human-inhabitable structure on our moon yet.  Cripes man, perhaps you should step back just a few parsecs and realize we might just need stuff like an oxygen-rich environment <i>first</i>, for when you want to hyperventilate whilst flogging your Captains Log to Martian Porn some 250,000 miles away...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In the very long run , after we colonize Mars and possibly the Moon , latency issues will become even more severe .
It will be interesting to see whether we will simply give them separate networks or have those networks as part of the internet .
If the second occurs , we may need new protocols to deal with the large latency and related issues.Er , Wow .
You 're worried about network latency and we have n't even put the first human-inhabitable structure on our moon yet .
Cripes man , perhaps you should step back just a few parsecs and realize we might just need stuff like an oxygen-rich environment first , for when you want to hyperventilate whilst flogging your Captains Log to Martian Porn some 250,000 miles away.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the very long run, after we colonize Mars and possibly the Moon, latency issues will become even more severe.
It will be interesting to see whether we will simply give them separate networks or have those networks as part of the internet.
If the second occurs, we may need new protocols to deal with the large latency and related issues.Er, Wow.
You're worried about network latency and we haven't even put the first human-inhabitable structure on our moon yet.
Cripes man, perhaps you should step back just a few parsecs and realize we might just need stuff like an oxygen-rich environment first, for when you want to hyperventilate whilst flogging your Captains Log to Martian Porn some 250,000 miles away...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29966722</id>
	<title>but..</title>
	<author>Keruo</author>
	<datestamp>1257278700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Do they run linux?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do they run linux ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do they run linux?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29967140</id>
	<title>Re:One server?</title>
	<author>Korin43</author>
	<datestamp>1257281220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe a combination or redundancy and price/power ratio? When you're sending something in to space the weight is more important the price, so it may cost them similar amounts to send up 100 laptops vs 1 huge server, but it's also a lot harder to break 100 laptops and much easier to "fix" a laptop if you have 100 spares (leave the old one in a pile and replace it when you land). One factor might be that laptops are already designed to be light, while weight isn't really a factor for most servers (so they'd have to design their own). Laptops are also designed to deal with bumps, so they may survive re-entry better.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe a combination or redundancy and price/power ratio ?
When you 're sending something in to space the weight is more important the price , so it may cost them similar amounts to send up 100 laptops vs 1 huge server , but it 's also a lot harder to break 100 laptops and much easier to " fix " a laptop if you have 100 spares ( leave the old one in a pile and replace it when you land ) .
One factor might be that laptops are already designed to be light , while weight is n't really a factor for most servers ( so they 'd have to design their own ) .
Laptops are also designed to deal with bumps , so they may survive re-entry better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe a combination or redundancy and price/power ratio?
When you're sending something in to space the weight is more important the price, so it may cost them similar amounts to send up 100 laptops vs 1 huge server, but it's also a lot harder to break 100 laptops and much easier to "fix" a laptop if you have 100 spares (leave the old one in a pile and replace it when you land).
One factor might be that laptops are already designed to be light, while weight isn't really a factor for most servers (so they'd have to design their own).
Laptops are also designed to deal with bumps, so they may survive re-entry better.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29972782</id>
	<title>Re:Issues with such networks generalize to Mars</title>
	<author>Matrix14</author>
	<datestamp>1257263400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I saw a very interesting talk by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vint\_Cerf" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Vint Cerf</a> [wikipedia.org] a while back.  Apparently he is working with NASA to write the protocols that will be used for the interplanetary Internet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I saw a very interesting talk by Vint Cerf [ wikipedia.org ] a while back .
Apparently he is working with NASA to write the protocols that will be used for the interplanetary Internet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I saw a very interesting talk by Vint Cerf [wikipedia.org] a while back.
Apparently he is working with NASA to write the protocols that will be used for the interplanetary Internet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29968026</id>
	<title>No backup file server? o\_O</title>
	<author>argent</author>
	<datestamp>1257242100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>"One thing that really impacts the crew's day-to-day operations is if the file server itself fails. This forces them to reload the hard drive and re-establish all the network drives and all the apps. They actually have to get out the media and load the image to the hard drive. That's a significant hit for the crew because we can't do everything for them from the ground.</i></p><p>Jesus Christ, given the cost per minute keeping those guys up there, I'd think they'd at the very least have redundant servers with redundant media.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" One thing that really impacts the crew 's day-to-day operations is if the file server itself fails .
This forces them to reload the hard drive and re-establish all the network drives and all the apps .
They actually have to get out the media and load the image to the hard drive .
That 's a significant hit for the crew because we ca n't do everything for them from the ground.Jesus Christ , given the cost per minute keeping those guys up there , I 'd think they 'd at the very least have redundant servers with redundant media .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"One thing that really impacts the crew's day-to-day operations is if the file server itself fails.
This forces them to reload the hard drive and re-establish all the network drives and all the apps.
They actually have to get out the media and load the image to the hard drive.
That's a significant hit for the crew because we can't do everything for them from the ground.Jesus Christ, given the cost per minute keeping those guys up there, I'd think they'd at the very least have redundant servers with redundant media.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.30001622</id>
	<title>Software for life support?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257425220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are life support and other critical things also controlled by windows computers?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are life support and other critical things also controlled by windows computers ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are life support and other critical things also controlled by windows computers?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29966788</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1257279180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Space pirates!!<br></i><br>Not necessariily; they could be getting the movies with the MPAA studios' blessing. It's only "piracy" if the copyright holder doesn't give permission.</p><p>I know, "woosh" and all that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Space pirates !
! Not necessariily ; they could be getting the movies with the MPAA studios ' blessing .
It 's only " piracy " if the copyright holder does n't give permission.I know , " woosh " and all that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Space pirates!
!Not necessariily; they could be getting the movies with the MPAA studios' blessing.
It's only "piracy" if the copyright holder doesn't give permission.I know, "woosh" and all that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29966660</id>
	<title>"a 10Mbps Internet connection to Earth"</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1257278340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With a LOT of lag.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With a LOT of lag .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With a LOT of lag.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.30007842</id>
	<title>Just 2 guys?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257536820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ROFLMAO!</p><p>- one of the 40+ guys they didn't talk to</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ROFLMAO ! - one of the 40 + guys they did n't talk to</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ROFLMAO!- one of the 40+ guys they didn't talk to</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29967382</id>
	<title>Not the tech</title>
	<author>hey</author>
	<datestamp>1257239100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This article is not about all the tech... just the IT stuff.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This article is not about all the tech... just the IT stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This article is not about all the tech... just the IT stuff.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29976088</id>
	<title>Re:Issues with such networks generalize to Mars</title>
	<author>carvalhao</author>
	<datestamp>1256990580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They are working with those already: <a href="http://www.nasa.gov/mission\_pages/station/science/experiments/DTN.html" title="nasa.gov">http://www.nasa.gov/mission\_pages/station/science/experiments/DTN.html</a> [nasa.gov]</htmltext>
<tokenext>They are working with those already : http : //www.nasa.gov/mission \ _pages/station/science/experiments/DTN.html [ nasa.gov ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are working with those already: http://www.nasa.gov/mission\_pages/station/science/experiments/DTN.html [nasa.gov]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29967218</id>
	<title>Re:but..</title>
	<author>gapagos</author>
	<datestamp>1257281580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>But Do they run linux?</p></div><p>No they don't actually, they run WindowsXP. At least for their normal daily laptop usage, I'm not sure about their servers.<br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyjRc\_oxKV4" title="youtube.com">You can see the videos "A day in the ISS" (part 1 to 7 I think) here</a> [youtube.com], and on some parts you clearly see the standard WindowsXP layout on the laptops.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But Do they run linux ? No they do n't actually , they run WindowsXP .
At least for their normal daily laptop usage , I 'm not sure about their servers.You can see the videos " A day in the ISS " ( part 1 to 7 I think ) here [ youtube.com ] , and on some parts you clearly see the standard WindowsXP layout on the laptops .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But Do they run linux?No they don't actually, they run WindowsXP.
At least for their normal daily laptop usage, I'm not sure about their servers.You can see the videos "A day in the ISS" (part 1 to 7 I think) here [youtube.com], and on some parts you clearly see the standard WindowsXP layout on the laptops.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29966790</id>
	<title>Re:It's very sad</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257279180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe because "consumer" grade computers are high tech. . .</p><p>The reality is that all you need is a few laptops to run everything on the ISS. Consumer grade product have better real world testing than any home-cooked solution, they are a ton cheaper and easier to boot.</p><p>What is sad about the fact that apart from extreme data analysis, a laptop can do all that the ISS needs?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe because " consumer " grade computers are high tech .
. .The reality is that all you need is a few laptops to run everything on the ISS .
Consumer grade product have better real world testing than any home-cooked solution , they are a ton cheaper and easier to boot.What is sad about the fact that apart from extreme data analysis , a laptop can do all that the ISS needs ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe because "consumer" grade computers are high tech.
. .The reality is that all you need is a few laptops to run everything on the ISS.
Consumer grade product have better real world testing than any home-cooked solution, they are a ton cheaper and easier to boot.What is sad about the fact that apart from extreme data analysis, a laptop can do all that the ISS needs?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29967298</id>
	<title>Internal Network?</title>
	<author>Waste55</author>
	<datestamp>1257281940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Can someone define what they mean by "internal network"?  Are they still talking laptops?
<br> <br>
Maybe I am thinking too low level, but I thought station was on MIL STD 1553.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can someone define what they mean by " internal network " ?
Are they still talking laptops ?
Maybe I am thinking too low level , but I thought station was on MIL STD 1553 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can someone define what they mean by "internal network"?
Are they still talking laptops?
Maybe I am thinking too low level, but I thought station was on MIL STD 1553.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29977188</id>
	<title>Like BSG</title>
	<author>hesaigo999ca</author>
	<datestamp>1257000240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Like battlestar galactica, they need the computers onboard to do their work, but they don't need clustered networked environment.<br>They don't need super hardcore stuff up there, yet! So just keep it simple, stupid (KISS)....makes everything easier on everyone.<br>Now, they need a more home based system up there and not a corporate scuzi drive raid set up, follow?<br>They need to back up their medias, but they dont need raid, they need 100\% access, but they dont need networked.<br>They need to have access to their info and sometimes things fail, like the server, what do they need a server for, even if they have 2<br>or 3 networked computer, you can share stuff through the network without a server....???</p><p>I really do not understand why they make things so complicated, when I have 100\% run time at home, with no down time, and don't run servers....so I am sure the real hardcore engineers, that thought this thing up, should be able to do so as well, no?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Like battlestar galactica , they need the computers onboard to do their work , but they do n't need clustered networked environment.They do n't need super hardcore stuff up there , yet !
So just keep it simple , stupid ( KISS ) ....makes everything easier on everyone.Now , they need a more home based system up there and not a corporate scuzi drive raid set up , follow ? They need to back up their medias , but they dont need raid , they need 100 \ % access , but they dont need networked.They need to have access to their info and sometimes things fail , like the server , what do they need a server for , even if they have 2or 3 networked computer , you can share stuff through the network without a server.... ? ?
? I really do not understand why they make things so complicated , when I have 100 \ % run time at home , with no down time , and do n't run servers....so I am sure the real hardcore engineers , that thought this thing up , should be able to do so as well , no ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like battlestar galactica, they need the computers onboard to do their work, but they don't need clustered networked environment.They don't need super hardcore stuff up there, yet!
So just keep it simple, stupid (KISS)....makes everything easier on everyone.Now, they need a more home based system up there and not a corporate scuzi drive raid set up, follow?They need to back up their medias, but they dont need raid, they need 100\% access, but they dont need networked.They need to have access to their info and sometimes things fail, like the server, what do they need a server for, even if they have 2or 3 networked computer, you can share stuff through the network without a server....??
?I really do not understand why they make things so complicated, when I have 100\% run time at home, with no down time, and don't run servers....so I am sure the real hardcore engineers, that thought this thing up, should be able to do so as well, no?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29968474</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>lennier</author>
	<datestamp>1257243840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Boskone has infiltrated to the core of our organisation! Where's Erisia's Lens we need it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Boskone has infiltrated to the core of our organisation !
Where 's Erisia 's Lens we need it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Boskone has infiltrated to the core of our organisation!
Where's Erisia's Lens we need it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29969256</id>
	<title>Re:Issues with such networks generalize to Mars</title>
	<author>suomynonAyletamitlU</author>
	<datestamp>1257246720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Indeed.  A quick google search on the distance from earth to mars puts it between 3 and 23 light-minutes, depending on their location in their orbits.  This ignores something like a huge EM emitter in between the two named Sol.  Without a (fragile and expensive) array of lower-ping satellites in between, that puts the roundtime on a single SYN/ACK at six to fourty-five minutes, to say nothing of error correction.  With the satellites, you could probably at least send a single http fetch request all at once and simply come back in an hour or so to get the results.</p><p>Most likely, any content in high demand would be mirrored on either side of the split and updated at invervals, and the rest either wouldn't be available or would be batch-downloaded.  Probably won't be much in the way of logins across that boundary, however.  Server side scripting will also be right out.  This will of course rule out a lot of interesting places, but... oh well.  Maybe someone on the other side will open a pay service to mirror the site internals and send diffs back and forth to keep the databases updated.</p><p>This is all assuming that there is a large colony on, say, mars.  If it's a few people, they'll just beam the porn internet content that they ask for in batches, to be cached locally.  They probably won't have access to, say, Digg or Stumbleupon or Facebook or anything, unless it's cherrypicked pretty well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed .
A quick google search on the distance from earth to mars puts it between 3 and 23 light-minutes , depending on their location in their orbits .
This ignores something like a huge EM emitter in between the two named Sol .
Without a ( fragile and expensive ) array of lower-ping satellites in between , that puts the roundtime on a single SYN/ACK at six to fourty-five minutes , to say nothing of error correction .
With the satellites , you could probably at least send a single http fetch request all at once and simply come back in an hour or so to get the results.Most likely , any content in high demand would be mirrored on either side of the split and updated at invervals , and the rest either would n't be available or would be batch-downloaded .
Probably wo n't be much in the way of logins across that boundary , however .
Server side scripting will also be right out .
This will of course rule out a lot of interesting places , but... oh well .
Maybe someone on the other side will open a pay service to mirror the site internals and send diffs back and forth to keep the databases updated.This is all assuming that there is a large colony on , say , mars .
If it 's a few people , they 'll just beam the porn internet content that they ask for in batches , to be cached locally .
They probably wo n't have access to , say , Digg or Stumbleupon or Facebook or anything , unless it 's cherrypicked pretty well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed.
A quick google search on the distance from earth to mars puts it between 3 and 23 light-minutes, depending on their location in their orbits.
This ignores something like a huge EM emitter in between the two named Sol.
Without a (fragile and expensive) array of lower-ping satellites in between, that puts the roundtime on a single SYN/ACK at six to fourty-five minutes, to say nothing of error correction.
With the satellites, you could probably at least send a single http fetch request all at once and simply come back in an hour or so to get the results.Most likely, any content in high demand would be mirrored on either side of the split and updated at invervals, and the rest either wouldn't be available or would be batch-downloaded.
Probably won't be much in the way of logins across that boundary, however.
Server side scripting will also be right out.
This will of course rule out a lot of interesting places, but... oh well.
Maybe someone on the other side will open a pay service to mirror the site internals and send diffs back and forth to keep the databases updated.This is all assuming that there is a large colony on, say, mars.
If it's a few people, they'll just beam the porn internet content that they ask for in batches, to be cached locally.
They probably won't have access to, say, Digg or Stumbleupon or Facebook or anything, unless it's cherrypicked pretty well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29966892</id>
	<title>Re:One server?</title>
	<author>swanzilla</author>
	<datestamp>1257279780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>the better question is why they have a hundred laptops for a crew of 3-6 max.</p></div><p>One Tang spill could render several laptops useless.  Perhaps this is a redundancy measure.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>the better question is why they have a hundred laptops for a crew of 3-6 max.One Tang spill could render several laptops useless .
Perhaps this is a redundancy measure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the better question is why they have a hundred laptops for a crew of 3-6 max.One Tang spill could render several laptops useless.
Perhaps this is a redundancy measure.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29968048</id>
	<title>Re:Issues with such networks generalize to Mars</title>
	<author>TrippTDF</author>
	<datestamp>1257242160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We could do something like send a data center pre-loaded with, say, Wikipedia and the content of lots of popular sites pre-loaded, and then when it's possible, that massive server could get the latest news from Earth... not unlike how my iPhone updates with the latest news from the New York Times... it's just that we're sending a lot of static content that won't need to be changed very frequently.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We could do something like send a data center pre-loaded with , say , Wikipedia and the content of lots of popular sites pre-loaded , and then when it 's possible , that massive server could get the latest news from Earth... not unlike how my iPhone updates with the latest news from the New York Times... it 's just that we 're sending a lot of static content that wo n't need to be changed very frequently .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We could do something like send a data center pre-loaded with, say, Wikipedia and the content of lots of popular sites pre-loaded, and then when it's possible, that massive server could get the latest news from Earth... not unlike how my iPhone updates with the latest news from the New York Times... it's just that we're sending a lot of static content that won't need to be changed very frequently.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29967422</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257239220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>no no no....it's  pirates... In.... SPPPPPPAAAAAACCCCEEE</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>no no no....it 's pirates... In.... SPPPPPPAAAAAACCCCEEE</tokentext>
<sentencetext>no no no....it's  pirates... In.... SPPPPPPAAAAAACCCCEEE</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29967764</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>pyr02k1</author>
	<datestamp>1257240840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Talk about going overboard with this offshore server buisness... Jeez</htmltext>
<tokenext>Talk about going overboard with this offshore server buisness... Jeez</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Talk about going overboard with this offshore server buisness... Jeez</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29967030</id>
	<title>Re:Wow</title>
	<author>Stupendoussteve</author>
	<datestamp>1257280620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>NASA found the lighter weight of the Macbook Air was negated by the associated Apple taxes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>NASA found the lighter weight of the Macbook Air was negated by the associated Apple taxes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NASA found the lighter weight of the Macbook Air was negated by the associated Apple taxes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29967052</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting thought</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257280680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So is there a network of geosynchronous satellites that provides its 10 mbps link to the ground?</p></div><p> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracking\_and\_Data\_Relay\_Satellite\_System" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracking\_and\_Data\_Relay\_Satellite\_System</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>Up to 48 megs.  My guess is 10 megs came about because someone told a journalist, "its about as fast as old fashioned thinnet" whom thought to himself, thinnet is 10 megs, so the journalist says 10 megs.</p><p>And/or there may be a critical link in the path that is, literally, a piece of thinnet coax, or an old fashioned 10 meg only cat5 cable, so the overall path cannot exceed 10 megs.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So is there a network of geosynchronous satellites that provides its 10 mbps link to the ground ?
http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracking \ _and \ _Data \ _Relay \ _Satellite \ _System [ wikipedia.org ] Up to 48 megs .
My guess is 10 megs came about because someone told a journalist , " its about as fast as old fashioned thinnet " whom thought to himself , thinnet is 10 megs , so the journalist says 10 megs.And/or there may be a critical link in the path that is , literally , a piece of thinnet coax , or an old fashioned 10 meg only cat5 cable , so the overall path can not exceed 10 megs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So is there a network of geosynchronous satellites that provides its 10 mbps link to the ground?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracking\_and\_Data\_Relay\_Satellite\_System [wikipedia.org]Up to 48 megs.
My guess is 10 megs came about because someone told a journalist, "its about as fast as old fashioned thinnet" whom thought to himself, thinnet is 10 megs, so the journalist says 10 megs.And/or there may be a critical link in the path that is, literally, a piece of thinnet coax, or an old fashioned 10 meg only cat5 cable, so the overall path cannot exceed 10 megs.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29977760</id>
	<title>Re:How can they upload movies?</title>
	<author>cashman73</author>
	<datestamp>1257002820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><b> <i>And the Fed Govt would never break their own law.</i></b>  <p>

Wanna bet? How many laws did President Bush break during his term of office?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And the Fed Govt would never break their own law .
Wan na bet ?
How many laws did President Bush break during his term of office ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> And the Fed Govt would never break their own law.
Wanna bet?
How many laws did President Bush break during his term of office?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29966566</id>
	<title>One server?</title>
	<author>skgrey</author>
	<datestamp>1257277860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>"One of the T61ps is a server, making it a client/server network with a couple of routers and an Ethernet backbone.."
<br> <br>
You're telling me that with over a hundred machines up there that they have a single point of failure for their domain architecture? And it's a laptop? Hey NASA, ever hear of high-availability?
<br> <br>
Granted they probably don't use that many domain resources, but you'd think if they were going to use any specific kind of tech that they would make sure it was redundant. You'd think with how much they spent for this space-station that they'd make an appropriate IT purchase..</htmltext>
<tokenext>" One of the T61ps is a server , making it a client/server network with a couple of routers and an Ethernet backbone.. " You 're telling me that with over a hundred machines up there that they have a single point of failure for their domain architecture ?
And it 's a laptop ?
Hey NASA , ever hear of high-availability ?
Granted they probably do n't use that many domain resources , but you 'd think if they were going to use any specific kind of tech that they would make sure it was redundant .
You 'd think with how much they spent for this space-station that they 'd make an appropriate IT purchase. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"One of the T61ps is a server, making it a client/server network with a couple of routers and an Ethernet backbone.."
 
You're telling me that with over a hundred machines up there that they have a single point of failure for their domain architecture?
And it's a laptop?
Hey NASA, ever hear of high-availability?
Granted they probably don't use that many domain resources, but you'd think if they were going to use any specific kind of tech that they would make sure it was redundant.
You'd think with how much they spent for this space-station that they'd make an appropriate IT purchase..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29966930</id>
	<title>How can they upload movies?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257280020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is no legal way to get the movie off the DVD - they have to be breaking CSS to do it, which as we all know, is against the law.  And the Fed Govt would never break their own law.  Or does Hollywood provide NASA with special digital editions of the films just for NASA?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is no legal way to get the movie off the DVD - they have to be breaking CSS to do it , which as we all know , is against the law .
And the Fed Govt would never break their own law .
Or does Hollywood provide NASA with special digital editions of the films just for NASA ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is no legal way to get the movie off the DVD - they have to be breaking CSS to do it, which as we all know, is against the law.
And the Fed Govt would never break their own law.
Or does Hollywood provide NASA with special digital editions of the films just for NASA?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29968756</id>
	<title>Re:but..</title>
	<author>sh00z</author>
	<datestamp>1257244980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Do they run linux?</p></div></blockquote><p>
The laptops don't, but the <a href="http://www.rdmag.com/New-To-Market/2009/07/NASA-chooses-controller-for-COLBERT-treadmill/" title="rdmag.com" rel="nofollow">new treadmill does</a> [rdmag.com].</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do they run linux ?
The laptops do n't , but the new treadmill does [ rdmag.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do they run linux?
The laptops don't, but the new treadmill does [rdmag.com].
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29966678</id>
	<title>Why does it have to be a blockbuster?</title>
	<author>MickyTheIdiot</author>
	<datestamp>1257278400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; With its own file server for uploaded Hollywood blockbusters...</p><p>Is that a mission requirement?  If they upload a foreign film or "Ishtar" will the entire file system crash?  Will they get in trouble if they watch "Dark Star"?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; With its own file server for uploaded Hollywood blockbusters...Is that a mission requirement ?
If they upload a foreign film or " Ishtar " will the entire file system crash ?
Will they get in trouble if they watch " Dark Star " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; With its own file server for uploaded Hollywood blockbusters...Is that a mission requirement?
If they upload a foreign film or "Ishtar" will the entire file system crash?
Will they get in trouble if they watch "Dark Star"?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29968522</id>
	<title>Re:It's very sad</title>
	<author>DerekLyons</author>
	<datestamp>1257244080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>For the most part they are indeed off the shelf with the exception of adding some extra cooling fans to accommodate the lower pressure that the station maintains during EVAs</p></div></blockquote><p>The station doesn't change pressure during EVAs - you're confusing it with the Shuttle.  The station has the two airlock modules (one each Russian and American) specifically so that EVA astronauts can 'camp out' in them and get used to a different pressure and atmosphere mix without having to expose the experiments and other crew to those changed conditions.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>For the most part they are indeed off the shelf with the exception of adding some extra cooling fans to accommodate the lower pressure that the station maintains during EVAsThe station does n't change pressure during EVAs - you 're confusing it with the Shuttle .
The station has the two airlock modules ( one each Russian and American ) specifically so that EVA astronauts can 'camp out ' in them and get used to a different pressure and atmosphere mix without having to expose the experiments and other crew to those changed conditions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For the most part they are indeed off the shelf with the exception of adding some extra cooling fans to accommodate the lower pressure that the station maintains during EVAsThe station doesn't change pressure during EVAs - you're confusing it with the Shuttle.
The station has the two airlock modules (one each Russian and American) specifically so that EVA astronauts can 'camp out' in them and get used to a different pressure and atmosphere mix without having to expose the experiments and other crew to those changed conditions.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29968486</id>
	<title>Re:It's very sad</title>
	<author>DerekLyons</author>
	<datestamp>1257243900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>As someone who works in space flight hardware, I will state what I think is obvious to most slashdotters:</p></div></blockquote><p>First, "works with space flight hardware" != "works with the ISS's COTS based network".  Second, what is 'obvious to everyone' is frequently wrong.<br>
&nbsp; </p><blockquote><div><p>These are not just "consumer grade electronics." True, they were based heavily or solely on an existing consumer product, but they have to meet a very stringent set of requirements to operate in space.</p></div></blockquote><p>First off, don't be coming here and making false claims of authority - and then getting it wrong.  Second off, RTFA.<br>
&nbsp; <br>These <i>are</i> existing consumer grade products.  Sure, they're individually screened and tested and have some modifications to their fans and ventilation - but beyond that, they're absolutely identical to what you or I can get off the shelf.  (Add one of those aftermarket lap desks with extra ventilation and you have something almost exactly like what flies.)  So says not only TFA, but the guys in the Shuttle and ISS program I occasionally correspond with.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As someone who works in space flight hardware , I will state what I think is obvious to most slashdotters : First , " works with space flight hardware " ! = " works with the ISS 's COTS based network " .
Second , what is 'obvious to everyone ' is frequently wrong .
  These are not just " consumer grade electronics .
" True , they were based heavily or solely on an existing consumer product , but they have to meet a very stringent set of requirements to operate in space.First off , do n't be coming here and making false claims of authority - and then getting it wrong .
Second off , RTFA .
  These are existing consumer grade products .
Sure , they 're individually screened and tested and have some modifications to their fans and ventilation - but beyond that , they 're absolutely identical to what you or I can get off the shelf .
( Add one of those aftermarket lap desks with extra ventilation and you have something almost exactly like what flies .
) So says not only TFA , but the guys in the Shuttle and ISS program I occasionally correspond with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As someone who works in space flight hardware, I will state what I think is obvious to most slashdotters:First, "works with space flight hardware" != "works with the ISS's COTS based network".
Second, what is 'obvious to everyone' is frequently wrong.
  These are not just "consumer grade electronics.
" True, they were based heavily or solely on an existing consumer product, but they have to meet a very stringent set of requirements to operate in space.First off, don't be coming here and making false claims of authority - and then getting it wrong.
Second off, RTFA.
  These are existing consumer grade products.
Sure, they're individually screened and tested and have some modifications to their fans and ventilation - but beyond that, they're absolutely identical to what you or I can get off the shelf.
(Add one of those aftermarket lap desks with extra ventilation and you have something almost exactly like what flies.
)  So says not only TFA, but the guys in the Shuttle and ISS program I occasionally correspond with.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29966868</id>
	<title>ISS isolated from windows viruses ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257279720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>There have been several instances when <a href="http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/0,39029552,49304003,00.htm" title="cnet.co.uk">viruses have found their way on to the ISS</a> [cnet.co.uk]. How do you try to prevent this?<br> <br>

"Every week we uplink new virus definitions. We uplink and deploy them straight away, so we're running pretty much as up-to-date as we can get. If there ever was a virus, we can pop that computer off the network, isolate it and figure out what the problem is. Even if it needs a complete re-wipe, it's pretty easy to quarantine. But the way our IT is set up, there's a network on board, there's a network on the ground, and they're very isolated from viruses on the Internet."'<i> <br> <br>

So if it is isolated from viruses on the Internet, why do you need Anti Virus software on the network ?</i></i></htmltext>
<tokenext>There have been several instances when viruses have found their way on to the ISS [ cnet.co.uk ] .
How do you try to prevent this ?
" Every week we uplink new virus definitions .
We uplink and deploy them straight away , so we 're running pretty much as up-to-date as we can get .
If there ever was a virus , we can pop that computer off the network , isolate it and figure out what the problem is .
Even if it needs a complete re-wipe , it 's pretty easy to quarantine .
But the way our IT is set up , there 's a network on board , there 's a network on the ground , and they 're very isolated from viruses on the Internet .
" ' So if it is isolated from viruses on the Internet , why do you need Anti Virus software on the network ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There have been several instances when viruses have found their way on to the ISS [cnet.co.uk].
How do you try to prevent this?
"Every week we uplink new virus definitions.
We uplink and deploy them straight away, so we're running pretty much as up-to-date as we can get.
If there ever was a virus, we can pop that computer off the network, isolate it and figure out what the problem is.
Even if it needs a complete re-wipe, it's pretty easy to quarantine.
But the way our IT is set up, there's a network on board, there's a network on the ground, and they're very isolated from viruses on the Internet.
"'  

So if it is isolated from viruses on the Internet, why do you need Anti Virus software on the network ?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29966644</id>
	<title>Interesting thought</title>
	<author>InMSWeAntitrust</author>
	<datestamp>1257278220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The max ground distance for unamplified WiFi is about 200km.  The ISS orbits between 340 and 350km, therefore I say we all point our collective WiFi antennae up and try and see the first person to connect up to their network.  Of course, you'd only have about 90 minutes of access as I recall; the ISS orbits too fast for much more access time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The max ground distance for unamplified WiFi is about 200km .
The ISS orbits between 340 and 350km , therefore I say we all point our collective WiFi antennae up and try and see the first person to connect up to their network .
Of course , you 'd only have about 90 minutes of access as I recall ; the ISS orbits too fast for much more access time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The max ground distance for unamplified WiFi is about 200km.
The ISS orbits between 340 and 350km, therefore I say we all point our collective WiFi antennae up and try and see the first person to connect up to their network.
Of course, you'd only have about 90 minutes of access as I recall; the ISS orbits too fast for much more access time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29966880</id>
	<title>Windows viruses are more virulent in space</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257279780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some theorize it is the cosmic rays. Others point out that most times ISS is the only location for space spammers to target and inevitably one of the astronauts punches the monkey.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some theorize it is the cosmic rays .
Others point out that most times ISS is the only location for space spammers to target and inevitably one of the astronauts punches the monkey .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some theorize it is the cosmic rays.
Others point out that most times ISS is the only location for space spammers to target and inevitably one of the astronauts punches the monkey.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29967786</id>
	<title>Re:It's very sad</title>
	<author>sunking2</author>
	<datestamp>1257240900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>None of these machines are radiation hardened in any way. For the most part they are indeed off the shelf with the exception of adding some extra cooling fans to accommodate the lower pressure that the station maintains during EVAs, along with a DC-DC adapter to match the stations 28V power. When you consider a 40mz RAD6000 PPC goes for about $300k just for the cpu the cost of specialty hardening a laptop would be way too cost prohibitive. None of these run or control critical systems so it's not a big deal</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>None of these machines are radiation hardened in any way .
For the most part they are indeed off the shelf with the exception of adding some extra cooling fans to accommodate the lower pressure that the station maintains during EVAs , along with a DC-DC adapter to match the stations 28V power .
When you consider a 40mz RAD6000 PPC goes for about $ 300k just for the cpu the cost of specialty hardening a laptop would be way too cost prohibitive .
None of these run or control critical systems so it 's not a big deal</tokentext>
<sentencetext>None of these machines are radiation hardened in any way.
For the most part they are indeed off the shelf with the exception of adding some extra cooling fans to accommodate the lower pressure that the station maintains during EVAs, along with a DC-DC adapter to match the stations 28V power.
When you consider a 40mz RAD6000 PPC goes for about $300k just for the cpu the cost of specialty hardening a laptop would be way too cost prohibitive.
None of these run or control critical systems so it's not a big deal</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29966680</id>
	<title>It's very sad</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257278400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's very sad, with the real high tech shit aboard the ISS, that consumer grade electronics are featured as 'the tech of ISS'.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's very sad , with the real high tech shit aboard the ISS , that consumer grade electronics are featured as 'the tech of ISS' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's very sad, with the real high tech shit aboard the ISS, that consumer grade electronics are featured as 'the tech of ISS'.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29967570</id>
	<title>Re:It's very sad</title>
	<author>bemymonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1257239940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So... Thinkpads aren't consumer grade hardware? Sure, I love mine, but calling 'em space-grade isn't exactly being honest, IMO<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So... Thinkpads are n't consumer grade hardware ?
Sure , I love mine , but calling 'em space-grade is n't exactly being honest , IMO ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So... Thinkpads aren't consumer grade hardware?
Sure, I love mine, but calling 'em space-grade isn't exactly being honest, IMO ;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29968054</id>
	<title>Reference</title>
	<author>zztong</author>
	<datestamp>1257242160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>"we may need new protocols to deal with the large latency"</i> </p><p>As others have noted, research along those lines is already in progress. Here's another reference:</p><p><a href="http://www.ohio.edu/research/communications/space\_communication.cfm" title="ohio.edu" rel="nofollow">http://www.ohio.edu/research/communications/space\_communication.cfm</a> [ohio.edu]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" we may need new protocols to deal with the large latency " As others have noted , research along those lines is already in progress .
Here 's another reference : http : //www.ohio.edu/research/communications/space \ _communication.cfm [ ohio.edu ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"we may need new protocols to deal with the large latency" As others have noted, research along those lines is already in progress.
Here's another reference:http://www.ohio.edu/research/communications/space\_communication.cfm [ohio.edu]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29967930</id>
	<title>Re:Wow</title>
	<author>sunking2</author>
	<datestamp>1257241620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>NASA requires you to use the thinkpads. Not that they are anything special other than they have gone through a battery of tests and have a few mods to help with cooling and power requirements. Offer them all you want for free and they'll say no. The main reason for so many are that each one more than likely is dedicated to a single use. If you have 60 experiments, then you have 60 laptops. It's quite a bit of effort and paperwork to certify that any application you need to run on a laptop plays nicely with everything else. Even if your program is a whopping 100kb controller for some piece of equipment. This is done because you typically don't have a whole lot of overlap between who is supplying the experiments so cross testing is difficult. The last thing you want to do is try to fire up an experiment, not have it work and then have to waste everyones time figuring out what isn't playing nice with what. It's just easier to dedicate a whole laptop.</htmltext>
<tokenext>NASA requires you to use the thinkpads .
Not that they are anything special other than they have gone through a battery of tests and have a few mods to help with cooling and power requirements .
Offer them all you want for free and they 'll say no .
The main reason for so many are that each one more than likely is dedicated to a single use .
If you have 60 experiments , then you have 60 laptops .
It 's quite a bit of effort and paperwork to certify that any application you need to run on a laptop plays nicely with everything else .
Even if your program is a whopping 100kb controller for some piece of equipment .
This is done because you typically do n't have a whole lot of overlap between who is supplying the experiments so cross testing is difficult .
The last thing you want to do is try to fire up an experiment , not have it work and then have to waste everyones time figuring out what is n't playing nice with what .
It 's just easier to dedicate a whole laptop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NASA requires you to use the thinkpads.
Not that they are anything special other than they have gone through a battery of tests and have a few mods to help with cooling and power requirements.
Offer them all you want for free and they'll say no.
The main reason for so many are that each one more than likely is dedicated to a single use.
If you have 60 experiments, then you have 60 laptops.
It's quite a bit of effort and paperwork to certify that any application you need to run on a laptop plays nicely with everything else.
Even if your program is a whopping 100kb controller for some piece of equipment.
This is done because you typically don't have a whole lot of overlap between who is supplying the experiments so cross testing is difficult.
The last thing you want to do is try to fire up an experiment, not have it work and then have to waste everyones time figuring out what isn't playing nice with what.
It's just easier to dedicate a whole laptop.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29966908</id>
	<title>Wow</title>
	<author>charliemopps11</author>
	<datestamp>1257279900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>68 laptops? That's kind of baffling. I can understand having older equipment, it costs a ton of money just to lift a few pounds into orbit. But why so many? and wouldn't you think NASA would have contracted out for customer laptops that weighed less? You'd think companys would have given them away for free just to boast their equipment was used in space.</htmltext>
<tokenext>68 laptops ?
That 's kind of baffling .
I can understand having older equipment , it costs a ton of money just to lift a few pounds into orbit .
But why so many ?
and would n't you think NASA would have contracted out for customer laptops that weighed less ?
You 'd think companys would have given them away for free just to boast their equipment was used in space .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>68 laptops?
That's kind of baffling.
I can understand having older equipment, it costs a ton of money just to lift a few pounds into orbit.
But why so many?
and wouldn't you think NASA would have contracted out for customer laptops that weighed less?
You'd think companys would have given them away for free just to boast their equipment was used in space.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29974686</id>
	<title>Interview observations</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257019500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Had a T61 for a couple years it was an awesome notebook until the GPUs BGA packings solder failed. (Thanks Nvidia!!)</p><p>Its funny they claim to have had viruses and a few sentances later go on to say that hackers can't gain access to systems on ISS..WTF?  Maybe not an interactive shell but give me a break.</p><p>Some station control (additude..etc) is also controlled by a thinkpad running x86 solaris.  I seriously doubt the IT person interviewed has any knowledge of station critical systems.</p><p>They have a few wireles APs and I swear to god they use 10base2.</p><p>The T61 does NOT have an ECC memory option.  I seem to recall most salient radiation problems were minimized by moving to smaller process (less room for alphas to get stuck and and steal electrons?) and being smarter about packaging material which do not lead to nasty secondary reactions but still you'd think ECC memory on a fricking space station would be an absolute minimum requirement in terms of radiation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Had a T61 for a couple years it was an awesome notebook until the GPUs BGA packings solder failed .
( Thanks Nvidia ! !
) Its funny they claim to have had viruses and a few sentances later go on to say that hackers ca n't gain access to systems on ISS..WTF ?
Maybe not an interactive shell but give me a break.Some station control ( additude..etc ) is also controlled by a thinkpad running x86 solaris .
I seriously doubt the IT person interviewed has any knowledge of station critical systems.They have a few wireles APs and I swear to god they use 10base2.The T61 does NOT have an ECC memory option .
I seem to recall most salient radiation problems were minimized by moving to smaller process ( less room for alphas to get stuck and and steal electrons ?
) and being smarter about packaging material which do not lead to nasty secondary reactions but still you 'd think ECC memory on a fricking space station would be an absolute minimum requirement in terms of radiation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Had a T61 for a couple years it was an awesome notebook until the GPUs BGA packings solder failed.
(Thanks Nvidia!!
)Its funny they claim to have had viruses and a few sentances later go on to say that hackers can't gain access to systems on ISS..WTF?
Maybe not an interactive shell but give me a break.Some station control (additude..etc) is also controlled by a thinkpad running x86 solaris.
I seriously doubt the IT person interviewed has any knowledge of station critical systems.They have a few wireles APs and I swear to god they use 10base2.The T61 does NOT have an ECC memory option.
I seem to recall most salient radiation problems were minimized by moving to smaller process (less room for alphas to get stuck and and steal electrons?
) and being smarter about packaging material which do not lead to nasty secondary reactions but still you'd think ECC memory on a fricking space station would be an absolute minimum requirement in terms of radiation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29967748</id>
	<title>Linux 2.6 in a scientfic system on the ISS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257240840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Our scientific equipment "Declic" was sent to the ISS last august. It runs Linux and uC-OS II on a whole pile of microprocessors. The Linux of the part of the system that we built was completely custom built based on "linux from scratch". For an interesting read: <a href="http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7190" title="linuxjournal.com">Linux Journal</a> [linuxjournal.com] <br>
The 2.6 kernel was state of the art when we built it, but we needed its lower latency features.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Our scientific equipment " Declic " was sent to the ISS last august .
It runs Linux and uC-OS II on a whole pile of microprocessors .
The Linux of the part of the system that we built was completely custom built based on " linux from scratch " .
For an interesting read : Linux Journal [ linuxjournal.com ] The 2.6 kernel was state of the art when we built it , but we needed its lower latency features .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Our scientific equipment "Declic" was sent to the ISS last august.
It runs Linux and uC-OS II on a whole pile of microprocessors.
The Linux of the part of the system that we built was completely custom built based on "linux from scratch".
For an interesting read: Linux Journal [linuxjournal.com] 
The 2.6 kernel was state of the art when we built it, but we needed its lower latency features.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29968302</id>
	<title>only two guys?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257243240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Tucker and Crawford work at the Johnson Space Center in Houston, Texas, as <b> <i>PART</i> </b> of a three-shift team that provides IT support -- 24 hours a day, 365 days a year</p> </div><p>CNETNate might want to update the rather sensational pronouncement of a two person super team.<br>Either these two guys are working 12-hours a day, or they are doing <a href="http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/10/31/0525203/Why-Computers-Suck-At-Math" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">Patriot missile guidance programming</a> [slashdot.org] as a side job.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Tucker and Crawford work at the Johnson Space Center in Houston , Texas , as PART of a three-shift team that provides IT support -- 24 hours a day , 365 days a year CNETNate might want to update the rather sensational pronouncement of a two person super team.Either these two guys are working 12-hours a day , or they are doing Patriot missile guidance programming [ slashdot.org ] as a side job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tucker and Crawford work at the Johnson Space Center in Houston, Texas, as  PART  of a three-shift team that provides IT support -- 24 hours a day, 365 days a year CNETNate might want to update the rather sensational pronouncement of a two person super team.Either these two guys are working 12-hours a day, or they are doing Patriot missile guidance programming [slashdot.org] as a side job.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29967082</id>
	<title>Re: "a 10Mbps Internet connection to Earth"</title>
	<author>realityimpaired</author>
	<datestamp>1257280980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Any lag on that connection probably has more to do with the fact that the ISS is travelling very fast, and less to do with the actual distance travelled. The station isn't *that* far away from us... video communication with it is low enough latency that most people wouldn't even notice the lag... it's not more than about half a second.</p><p>What's really at issue, for ground-based transmitters, is that the station doesn't have line of sight full time. You can handle that with a geostationary sattelite relay to a network of sattelites, though, and some smart routing could send the packets to whichever sattelite has LoS with the station in order to rebroadcast it to the station. Given NASA's preference for doing things on the cheap, though, I think it's more likely that they'd use a protocol that allows for a databurst when you have line of sight, and queues transmits when you don't. Such a system is probably not unlike SMTP, when you think about it... servers try to transmit mail immediately, but if there's no connectivity they'll hang on to it in order to try again later when there is connectivity.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Any lag on that connection probably has more to do with the fact that the ISS is travelling very fast , and less to do with the actual distance travelled .
The station is n't * that * far away from us... video communication with it is low enough latency that most people would n't even notice the lag... it 's not more than about half a second.What 's really at issue , for ground-based transmitters , is that the station does n't have line of sight full time .
You can handle that with a geostationary sattelite relay to a network of sattelites , though , and some smart routing could send the packets to whichever sattelite has LoS with the station in order to rebroadcast it to the station .
Given NASA 's preference for doing things on the cheap , though , I think it 's more likely that they 'd use a protocol that allows for a databurst when you have line of sight , and queues transmits when you do n't .
Such a system is probably not unlike SMTP , when you think about it... servers try to transmit mail immediately , but if there 's no connectivity they 'll hang on to it in order to try again later when there is connectivity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Any lag on that connection probably has more to do with the fact that the ISS is travelling very fast, and less to do with the actual distance travelled.
The station isn't *that* far away from us... video communication with it is low enough latency that most people wouldn't even notice the lag... it's not more than about half a second.What's really at issue, for ground-based transmitters, is that the station doesn't have line of sight full time.
You can handle that with a geostationary sattelite relay to a network of sattelites, though, and some smart routing could send the packets to whichever sattelite has LoS with the station in order to rebroadcast it to the station.
Given NASA's preference for doing things on the cheap, though, I think it's more likely that they'd use a protocol that allows for a databurst when you have line of sight, and queues transmits when you don't.
Such a system is probably not unlike SMTP, when you think about it... servers try to transmit mail immediately, but if there's no connectivity they'll hang on to it in order to try again later when there is connectivity.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29969524</id>
	<title>Re:Issues with such networks generalize to Mars</title>
	<author>r\_jensen11</author>
	<datestamp>1257247740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or they could use <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3576594.stm" title="bbc.co.uk">teleportation</a> [bbc.co.uk].  By the time we are able to colonize Mars, I'm presuming we will have this technology under better control.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or they could use teleportation [ bbc.co.uk ] .
By the time we are able to colonize Mars , I 'm presuming we will have this technology under better control .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or they could use teleportation [bbc.co.uk].
By the time we are able to colonize Mars, I'm presuming we will have this technology under better control.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29966782</id>
	<title>Re:Issues with such networks generalize to Mars</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257279060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's been done: <a href="http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2008/nov/HQ\_08-298\_Deep\_space\_internet.html" title="nasa.gov">http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2008/nov/HQ\_08-298\_Deep\_space\_internet.html</a> [nasa.gov]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's been done : http : //www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2008/nov/HQ \ _08-298 \ _Deep \ _space \ _internet.html [ nasa.gov ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's been done: http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2008/nov/HQ\_08-298\_Deep\_space\_internet.html [nasa.gov]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29967514</id>
	<title>Re:Unaddressed question</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1257239700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ope they have ECC ram to deal with cosmic rays<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ope they have ECC ram to deal with cosmic rays : /</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ope they have ECC ram to deal with cosmic rays :/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29967018</id>
	<title>"mankind's first permanent space colony"</title>
	<author>tlambert</author>
	<datestamp>1257280620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"mankind's first permanent space colony"</p><p>Someone needs to tell Mark Harris that the ISS is scheduled to be deorbited 1Q 2016 before he moves in to his condo there.</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International\_Space\_Station" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International\_Space\_Station</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>-- Terry</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" mankind 's first permanent space colony " Someone needs to tell Mark Harris that the ISS is scheduled to be deorbited 1Q 2016 before he moves in to his condo there.http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International \ _Space \ _Station [ wikipedia.org ] -- Terry</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"mankind's first permanent space colony"Someone needs to tell Mark Harris that the ISS is scheduled to be deorbited 1Q 2016 before he moves in to his condo there.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International\_Space\_Station [wikipedia.org]-- Terry</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29968412</id>
	<title>Re:It's very sad</title>
	<author>nizo</author>
	<datestamp>1257243600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't forget that the ISS is manned by consumer grade people too. Granted they have quite a bit of training...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't forget that the ISS is manned by consumer grade people too .
Granted they have quite a bit of training.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't forget that the ISS is manned by consumer grade people too.
Granted they have quite a bit of training...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29967528</id>
	<title>Re:Issues with such networks generalize to Mars</title>
	<author>srussia</author>
	<datestamp>1257239760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In the very long run, after we colonize Mars and possibly the Moon, latency issues will become even more severe. It will be interesting to see whether we will simply give them separate networks or have those networks as part of the internet. If the second occurs, we may need new protocols to deal with the large latency and related issues.</p></div><p>Quantum entanglement, baby!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In the very long run , after we colonize Mars and possibly the Moon , latency issues will become even more severe .
It will be interesting to see whether we will simply give them separate networks or have those networks as part of the internet .
If the second occurs , we may need new protocols to deal with the large latency and related issues.Quantum entanglement , baby !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the very long run, after we colonize Mars and possibly the Moon, latency issues will become even more severe.
It will be interesting to see whether we will simply give them separate networks or have those networks as part of the internet.
If the second occurs, we may need new protocols to deal with the large latency and related issues.Quantum entanglement, baby!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29967972</id>
	<title>Re:Unaddressed question</title>
	<author>RealGrouchy</author>
	<datestamp>1257241860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What happens to these laptops when they are decommissioned?</p></div><p>Perhaps your definition of "unaddressed" is different from mine. FTA:</p><p><b>A 2007 report from the US Government Accountability Office suggested that failed laptops are 'tossed overboard to be burned up in the atmosphere'. Is this true?</b></p><p>"We don't just throw them out an airlock! We have had failed laptops in the past where we put them on a Progress vehicle [an expendable Russian cargo spacecraft used for disposing rubbish] and that does burn up in the atmosphere. But we don't always do this, it depends on the failure. If it's something we want to investigate or have the engineers have a look at, we'll try to return that laptop on board the Shuttle."</p><p>The following section suggests there are no 'decommissioned' laptops:</p><p>"For the most part with the laptops, we don't have to change them. They already do everything we need them to do, so you might only see a new laptop going on board every four years."</p><p>- RG&gt;</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What happens to these laptops when they are decommissioned ? Perhaps your definition of " unaddressed " is different from mine .
FTA : A 2007 report from the US Government Accountability Office suggested that failed laptops are 'tossed overboard to be burned up in the atmosphere' .
Is this true ?
" We do n't just throw them out an airlock !
We have had failed laptops in the past where we put them on a Progress vehicle [ an expendable Russian cargo spacecraft used for disposing rubbish ] and that does burn up in the atmosphere .
But we do n't always do this , it depends on the failure .
If it 's something we want to investigate or have the engineers have a look at , we 'll try to return that laptop on board the Shuttle .
" The following section suggests there are no 'decommissioned ' laptops : " For the most part with the laptops , we do n't have to change them .
They already do everything we need them to do , so you might only see a new laptop going on board every four years .
" - RG &gt;</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What happens to these laptops when they are decommissioned?Perhaps your definition of "unaddressed" is different from mine.
FTA:A 2007 report from the US Government Accountability Office suggested that failed laptops are 'tossed overboard to be burned up in the atmosphere'.
Is this true?
"We don't just throw them out an airlock!
We have had failed laptops in the past where we put them on a Progress vehicle [an expendable Russian cargo spacecraft used for disposing rubbish] and that does burn up in the atmosphere.
But we don't always do this, it depends on the failure.
If it's something we want to investigate or have the engineers have a look at, we'll try to return that laptop on board the Shuttle.
"The following section suggests there are no 'decommissioned' laptops:"For the most part with the laptops, we don't have to change them.
They already do everything we need them to do, so you might only see a new laptop going on board every four years.
"- RG&gt;
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29968368</id>
	<title>Re:It's very sad</title>
	<author>timeOday</author>
	<datestamp>1257243480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It's very sad, with the real high tech shit aboard the ISS, that consumer grade electronics are featured as 'the tech of ISS'.</p></div></blockquote><p>

Glass half full - isn't it cool we can buy the best processors ever made with hundreds of millions of transistors rolling off multi-billion-dollar production lines, all for a couple hundred bucks?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's very sad , with the real high tech shit aboard the ISS , that consumer grade electronics are featured as 'the tech of ISS' .
Glass half full - is n't it cool we can buy the best processors ever made with hundreds of millions of transistors rolling off multi-billion-dollar production lines , all for a couple hundred bucks ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's very sad, with the real high tech shit aboard the ISS, that consumer grade electronics are featured as 'the tech of ISS'.
Glass half full - isn't it cool we can buy the best processors ever made with hundreds of millions of transistors rolling off multi-billion-dollar production lines, all for a couple hundred bucks?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29966726</id>
	<title>Pentium 4...</title>
	<author>rhsanborn</author>
	<datestamp>1257278700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>housing 68 IBM ThinkPad A31 laptops from 2002, each boasting a 1.8GHz Pentium 4 processor, 512MB RAM and a 40GB hard drive.</p></div><p>It turns out these double as the main heat supply for the ISS as well.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>housing 68 IBM ThinkPad A31 laptops from 2002 , each boasting a 1.8GHz Pentium 4 processor , 512MB RAM and a 40GB hard drive.It turns out these double as the main heat supply for the ISS as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>housing 68 IBM ThinkPad A31 laptops from 2002, each boasting a 1.8GHz Pentium 4 processor, 512MB RAM and a 40GB hard drive.It turns out these double as the main heat supply for the ISS as well.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29967144</id>
	<title>Re:It's very sad</title>
	<author>Shane112358</author>
	<datestamp>1257281220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>As someone who works in space flight hardware, I will state what I think is obvious to most slashdotters: These are not just "consumer grade electronics."  True, they were based heavily or solely on an existing consumer product, but they have to meet a very stringent set of requirements to operate in space.

*They need to cool themselves effectively despite having no gravity, which means heat doesn't rise and you lose all naturally convective heating
*They need to be radiation hardened to mitigate against bit flips and the like due to radiation particles
*They need to meet specific reliability and usability requirements driven by spaceflight

And lastly, with everyone complaining about how the government wastes money, do you really expect that it would be better for NASA to contract out development, design, testing and building of a one-off product (laptop, camera, MP3 player, camcorder, PDA, etc) where it isn't necessary?</htmltext>
<tokenext>As someone who works in space flight hardware , I will state what I think is obvious to most slashdotters : These are not just " consumer grade electronics .
" True , they were based heavily or solely on an existing consumer product , but they have to meet a very stringent set of requirements to operate in space .
* They need to cool themselves effectively despite having no gravity , which means heat does n't rise and you lose all naturally convective heating * They need to be radiation hardened to mitigate against bit flips and the like due to radiation particles * They need to meet specific reliability and usability requirements driven by spaceflight And lastly , with everyone complaining about how the government wastes money , do you really expect that it would be better for NASA to contract out development , design , testing and building of a one-off product ( laptop , camera , MP3 player , camcorder , PDA , etc ) where it is n't necessary ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As someone who works in space flight hardware, I will state what I think is obvious to most slashdotters: These are not just "consumer grade electronics.
"  True, they were based heavily or solely on an existing consumer product, but they have to meet a very stringent set of requirements to operate in space.
*They need to cool themselves effectively despite having no gravity, which means heat doesn't rise and you lose all naturally convective heating
*They need to be radiation hardened to mitigate against bit flips and the like due to radiation particles
*They need to meet specific reliability and usability requirements driven by spaceflight

And lastly, with everyone complaining about how the government wastes money, do you really expect that it would be better for NASA to contract out development, design, testing and building of a one-off product (laptop, camera, MP3 player, camcorder, PDA, etc) where it isn't necessary?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29970322</id>
	<title>DMCA violation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257250200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know someone else has pointed to this, but I think it bears repeating:</p><p>article quote: "If the crew wants specific movies, music or TV shows, we can uplink them to the server and they can then access them from any computer."</p><p>If these movies are coming from a DVD format, then DMCA violations are certainly occuring at NASA.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know someone else has pointed to this , but I think it bears repeating : article quote : " If the crew wants specific movies , music or TV shows , we can uplink them to the server and they can then access them from any computer .
" If these movies are coming from a DVD format , then DMCA violations are certainly occuring at NASA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know someone else has pointed to this, but I think it bears repeating:article quote: "If the crew wants specific movies, music or TV shows, we can uplink them to the server and they can then access them from any computer.
"If these movies are coming from a DVD format, then DMCA violations are certainly occuring at NASA.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29966898</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting thought</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257279840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So is there a network of geosynchronous satellites that provides its 10 mbps link to the ground?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So is there a network of geosynchronous satellites that provides its 10 mbps link to the ground ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So is there a network of geosynchronous satellites that provides its 10 mbps link to the ground?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29966674</id>
	<title>Hmm</title>
	<author>Jeek Elemental</author>
	<datestamp>1257278400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Crew members aboard the ISS can request specific films and TV shows to be uploaded to a central file server, which they can then watch on any of the Station's laptops."</p><p>Space pirates!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Crew members aboard the ISS can request specific films and TV shows to be uploaded to a central file server , which they can then watch on any of the Station 's laptops .
" Space pirates !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Crew members aboard the ISS can request specific films and TV shows to be uploaded to a central file server, which they can then watch on any of the Station's laptops.
"Space pirates!
!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29967460</id>
	<title>Re:It's very sad</title>
	<author>ThreeE</author>
	<datestamp>1257239400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"And lastly, with everyone complaining about how the government wastes money, do you really expect that it would be better for NASA to contract out development, design, testing and building of anything?"</p><p>There.  Fixed that for you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" And lastly , with everyone complaining about how the government wastes money , do you really expect that it would be better for NASA to contract out development , design , testing and building of anything ? " There .
Fixed that for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"And lastly, with everyone complaining about how the government wastes money, do you really expect that it would be better for NASA to contract out development, design, testing and building of anything?"There.
Fixed that for you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29966752</id>
	<title>Re:Issues with such networks generalize to Mars</title>
	<author>DarkFencer</author>
	<datestamp>1257278940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>In the very long run, after we colonize Mars and possibly the Moon, latency issues will become even more severe. It will be interesting to see whether we will simply give them separate networks or have those networks as part of the internet. If the second occurs, we may need new protocols to deal with the large latency and related issues.</p></div></blockquote><p>We already have networks with latency comparable to round trip Earth/Mars connections.  Its called Time Warner Cable.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In the very long run , after we colonize Mars and possibly the Moon , latency issues will become even more severe .
It will be interesting to see whether we will simply give them separate networks or have those networks as part of the internet .
If the second occurs , we may need new protocols to deal with the large latency and related issues.We already have networks with latency comparable to round trip Earth/Mars connections .
Its called Time Warner Cable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the very long run, after we colonize Mars and possibly the Moon, latency issues will become even more severe.
It will be interesting to see whether we will simply give them separate networks or have those networks as part of the internet.
If the second occurs, we may need new protocols to deal with the large latency and related issues.We already have networks with latency comparable to round trip Earth/Mars connections.
Its called Time Warner Cable.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29966598</id>
	<title>The Martian Chronicles</title>
	<author>Hybrid-brain</author>
	<datestamp>1257278040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seems a lot closer now then it did before.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seems a lot closer now then it did before .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seems a lot closer now then it did before.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29967660</id>
	<title>Re:Why does it have to be a blockbuster?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257240420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Is that a mission requirement?  If they upload a foreign film or "Ishtar" will the entire file system crash?  Will they get in trouble if they watch "Dark Star"?</p></div><p>Sadly, yes.  You see Hollywood blockbusters, while not being good quality, are at least not grounds for war.    War?  With who you ask?  The aliens who would receive the same signals.</p><p>It's all part of the Tycho Treaty.  Sections 9371-96854</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is that a mission requirement ?
If they upload a foreign film or " Ishtar " will the entire file system crash ?
Will they get in trouble if they watch " Dark Star " ? Sadly , yes .
You see Hollywood blockbusters , while not being good quality , are at least not grounds for war .
War ? With who you ask ?
The aliens who would receive the same signals.It 's all part of the Tycho Treaty .
Sections 9371-96854</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is that a mission requirement?
If they upload a foreign film or "Ishtar" will the entire file system crash?
Will they get in trouble if they watch "Dark Star"?Sadly, yes.
You see Hollywood blockbusters, while not being good quality, are at least not grounds for war.
War?  With who you ask?
The aliens who would receive the same signals.It's all part of the Tycho Treaty.
Sections 9371-96854
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29967342</id>
	<title>Re:Wow</title>
	<author>Nadaka</author>
	<datestamp>1257238860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My own unsubstantiated and random guess? Perhaps they send a laptop up with each astronaut and just leave it in orbit when he/she leaves?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My own unsubstantiated and random guess ?
Perhaps they send a laptop up with each astronaut and just leave it in orbit when he/she leaves ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My own unsubstantiated and random guess?
Perhaps they send a laptop up with each astronaut and just leave it in orbit when he/she leaves?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29966688</id>
	<title>Re:One server?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257278460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the better question is why they have a hundred laptops for a crew of 3-6 max.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the better question is why they have a hundred laptops for a crew of 3-6 max .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the better question is why they have a hundred laptops for a crew of 3-6 max.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29970674</id>
	<title>Re:</title>
	<author>clint999</author>
	<datestamp>1257251400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><b>"One of the T61ps is a server, making it a client/server network with a couple of routers and an Ethernet backbone.."

You're telling me that with over a hundred machines up there that they have a single point of failure for their domain architecture? And it's a laptop? Hey NASA, ever hear of high-availability?

Granted they probably don't use that many domain resources, but you'd think if they were going to use any specific kind of tech that they would make sure it was redundant. You'd think with how muc</b></htmltext>
<tokenext>" One of the T61ps is a server , making it a client/server network with a couple of routers and an Ethernet backbone.. " You 're telling me that with over a hundred machines up there that they have a single point of failure for their domain architecture ?
And it 's a laptop ?
Hey NASA , ever hear of high-availability ?
Granted they probably do n't use that many domain resources , but you 'd think if they were going to use any specific kind of tech that they would make sure it was redundant .
You 'd think with how muc</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"One of the T61ps is a server, making it a client/server network with a couple of routers and an Ethernet backbone.."

You're telling me that with over a hundred machines up there that they have a single point of failure for their domain architecture?
And it's a laptop?
Hey NASA, ever hear of high-availability?
Granted they probably don't use that many domain resources, but you'd think if they were going to use any specific kind of tech that they would make sure it was redundant.
You'd think with how muc</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29967208</id>
	<title>Re:One server?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257281520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>the better question is why they have a hundred laptops for a crew of 3-6 max.</p></div><p>3-6 crew maybe, but hundreds of experiments.  I think just about every one of the experiment racks has a laptop controlling it these days.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>the better question is why they have a hundred laptops for a crew of 3-6 max.3-6 crew maybe , but hundreds of experiments .
I think just about every one of the experiment racks has a laptop controlling it these days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the better question is why they have a hundred laptops for a crew of 3-6 max.3-6 crew maybe, but hundreds of experiments.
I think just about every one of the experiment racks has a laptop controlling it these days.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29968982</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>bberens</author>
	<datestamp>1257245760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wonder if TPB could rent some rack space on the ISS.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if TPB could rent some rack space on the ISS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder if TPB could rent some rack space on the ISS.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29968300</id>
	<title>Re:One server?</title>
	<author>toopok4k3</author>
	<datestamp>1257243240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Take a look at <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:January\_2009\_ISS\_tour.ogg" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">this</a> [wikipedia.org] video. The Thinkpads are scattered across the whole space station. And as you can see they are pretty much mounted on racks doing something specific.</p><p>By the way, am I the only one thinking the ISS seems to be pretty huge?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Take a look at this [ wikipedia.org ] video .
The Thinkpads are scattered across the whole space station .
And as you can see they are pretty much mounted on racks doing something specific.By the way , am I the only one thinking the ISS seems to be pretty huge ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Take a look at this [wikipedia.org] video.
The Thinkpads are scattered across the whole space station.
And as you can see they are pretty much mounted on racks doing something specific.By the way, am I the only one thinking the ISS seems to be pretty huge?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29968562</id>
	<title>No even close to the front!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257244260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Future, I think not!

The spacestation is full of outdated network equipment!
The Low Rate Data Link telemetry uses a MILBUS-1553, this is one of the most obscure form of network, and has been abandoned in all other areas. I can not tell you what a pain it is to work with.

The MediumRDL uses raw ethernet frames (sort of) - and on top of that, CCSDS frames (mostely), but there is no way of making sure packets actually reach there destination.

There is also the WiFi and the HighRDL (mostly video), but I am not to familliar with those.

Don't think the space station is on the front in any field - only the tried and tested stuff gets fitted.

Oh, and the laptops, they are almost outdated before they get certified for use on the space station - it is a very long process.

Try searching for SSP 52050 if you wan't to see for your self.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Future , I think not !
The spacestation is full of outdated network equipment !
The Low Rate Data Link telemetry uses a MILBUS-1553 , this is one of the most obscure form of network , and has been abandoned in all other areas .
I can not tell you what a pain it is to work with .
The MediumRDL uses raw ethernet frames ( sort of ) - and on top of that , CCSDS frames ( mostely ) , but there is no way of making sure packets actually reach there destination .
There is also the WiFi and the HighRDL ( mostly video ) , but I am not to familliar with those .
Do n't think the space station is on the front in any field - only the tried and tested stuff gets fitted .
Oh , and the laptops , they are almost outdated before they get certified for use on the space station - it is a very long process .
Try searching for SSP 52050 if you wa n't to see for your self .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Future, I think not!
The spacestation is full of outdated network equipment!
The Low Rate Data Link telemetry uses a MILBUS-1553, this is one of the most obscure form of network, and has been abandoned in all other areas.
I can not tell you what a pain it is to work with.
The MediumRDL uses raw ethernet frames (sort of) - and on top of that, CCSDS frames (mostely), but there is no way of making sure packets actually reach there destination.
There is also the WiFi and the HighRDL (mostly video), but I am not to familliar with those.
Don't think the space station is on the front in any field - only the tried and tested stuff gets fitted.
Oh, and the laptops, they are almost outdated before they get certified for use on the space station - it is a very long process.
Try searching for SSP 52050 if you wan't to see for your self.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29967176</id>
	<title>Unaddressed question</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257281400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>What happens to these laptops when they are decommissioned?  They mentioned these thinkpads are from 2002 (which makes them the same vintage as the ones I use for myself at home); will they be sold off when they are replaced?  I would love for my next laptop to be one that spent several years in orbit!</htmltext>
<tokenext>What happens to these laptops when they are decommissioned ?
They mentioned these thinkpads are from 2002 ( which makes them the same vintage as the ones I use for myself at home ) ; will they be sold off when they are replaced ?
I would love for my next laptop to be one that spent several years in orbit !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What happens to these laptops when they are decommissioned?
They mentioned these thinkpads are from 2002 (which makes them the same vintage as the ones I use for myself at home); will they be sold off when they are replaced?
I would love for my next laptop to be one that spent several years in orbit!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29967058</id>
	<title>ISS spotting</title>
	<author>jbeaupre</author>
	<datestamp>1257280740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The ISS is usually only visible for a few minutes, between 5 and 10 if you are lucky.  But for anyone interested in trying: <a href="http://www.heavens-above.com/" title="heavens-above.com">http://www.heavens-above.com/</a> [heavens-above.com]  Don't forget to give it your location.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The ISS is usually only visible for a few minutes , between 5 and 10 if you are lucky .
But for anyone interested in trying : http : //www.heavens-above.com/ [ heavens-above.com ] Do n't forget to give it your location .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The ISS is usually only visible for a few minutes, between 5 and 10 if you are lucky.
But for anyone interested in trying: http://www.heavens-above.com/ [heavens-above.com]  Don't forget to give it your location.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29967094</id>
	<title>In space, no one can hear you subpoena.</title>
	<author>jbeaupre</author>
	<datestamp>1257281100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Each piece of equipment has to be claimed.  <a href="http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/07/1644216" title="slashdot.org">http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/07/1644216</a> [slashdot.org] <br> <br>If all the astronauts say "not my country's server," then it isn't under any jurisdiction.  (or protection, which means the MPAA is quite welcome to go shut it down if they can get there).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Each piece of equipment has to be claimed .
http : //science.slashdot.org/article.pl ? sid = 07/11/07/1644216 [ slashdot.org ] If all the astronauts say " not my country 's server , " then it is n't under any jurisdiction .
( or protection , which means the MPAA is quite welcome to go shut it down if they can get there ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Each piece of equipment has to be claimed.
http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/07/1644216 [slashdot.org]  If all the astronauts say "not my country's server," then it isn't under any jurisdiction.
(or protection, which means the MPAA is quite welcome to go shut it down if they can get there).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29967002</id>
	<title>Re:ISS isolated from windows viruses ?</title>
	<author>Stupendoussteve</author>
	<datestamp>1257280440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just in case?</p><p>Military networks are isolated and still use Anti-Virus, and they have still had some publicized infections.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just in case ? Military networks are isolated and still use Anti-Virus , and they have still had some publicized infections .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just in case?Military networks are isolated and still use Anti-Virus, and they have still had some publicized infections.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29966780</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>grub</author>
	<datestamp>1257279060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><br>"NASA, can you beam up Zombieland.2009.R5.ScENeGr0up.avi? That shitty TS is driving us nuts!"</htmltext>
<tokenext>" NASA , can you beam up Zombieland.2009.R5.ScENeGr0up.avi ?
That shitty TS is driving us nuts !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"NASA, can you beam up Zombieland.2009.R5.ScENeGr0up.avi?
That shitty TS is driving us nuts!
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29974300</id>
	<title>WiFi in space</title>
	<author>ChefJoe</author>
	<datestamp>1257275160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow, so airlines have been hesitant about the idea of wifi and cellphones being on for years and they're running several wifi APs on the space station ?  I understand why NASA does this but are planes really that sensitive ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , so airlines have been hesitant about the idea of wifi and cellphones being on for years and they 're running several wifi APs on the space station ?
I understand why NASA does this but are planes really that sensitive ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, so airlines have been hesitant about the idea of wifi and cellphones being on for years and they're running several wifi APs on the space station ?
I understand why NASA does this but are planes really that sensitive ?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29967558</id>
	<title>Re:Issues with such networks generalize to Mars</title>
	<author>jameskojiro</author>
	<datestamp>1257239940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is why we need Wormhole tech, even a Wormhole a few microns wide that connects between earth and mars would be able to transmit Trillions of bytes per second if utilized properly....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is why we need Wormhole tech , even a Wormhole a few microns wide that connects between earth and mars would be able to transmit Trillions of bytes per second if utilized properly... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is why we need Wormhole tech, even a Wormhole a few microns wide that connects between earth and mars would be able to transmit Trillions of bytes per second if utilized properly....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29967016</id>
	<title>Got UUCP?</title>
	<author>winkydink</author>
	<datestamp>1257280560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Once upon a time, large portions of the internet were "store and forward."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Once upon a time , large portions of the internet were " store and forward .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Once upon a time, large portions of the internet were "store and forward.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29966548</id>
	<title>Issues with such networks generalize to Mars</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257277800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>In the very long run, after we colonize Mars and possibly the Moon, latency issues will become even more severe. It will be interesting to see whether we will simply give them separate networks or have those networks as part of the internet. If the second occurs, we may need new protocols to deal with the large latency and related issues.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In the very long run , after we colonize Mars and possibly the Moon , latency issues will become even more severe .
It will be interesting to see whether we will simply give them separate networks or have those networks as part of the internet .
If the second occurs , we may need new protocols to deal with the large latency and related issues .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the very long run, after we colonize Mars and possibly the Moon, latency issues will become even more severe.
It will be interesting to see whether we will simply give them separate networks or have those networks as part of the internet.
If the second occurs, we may need new protocols to deal with the large latency and related issues.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29966980</id>
	<title>Re:ISS isolated from windows viruses ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257280320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well if they are running Norton or Macafee, its no wonder they need so many laptops...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well if they are running Norton or Macafee , its no wonder they need so many laptops.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well if they are running Norton or Macafee, its no wonder they need so many laptops...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29966994</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting thought</title>
	<author>vlm</author>
	<datestamp>1257280380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Of course, you'd only have about 90 minutes of access as I recall; the ISS orbits too fast for much more access time.</p></div><p>The orbit is about 91 minutes long.. An ideal ground track is only a couple minutes... talk to the ham radio folks whom use a couple watts to a voice FM signal on an external antenna.  The wifi is much faster (needs higher SNR) and has an inside antenna and have a zilionth of a watt, so unlikely.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course , you 'd only have about 90 minutes of access as I recall ; the ISS orbits too fast for much more access time.The orbit is about 91 minutes long.. An ideal ground track is only a couple minutes... talk to the ham radio folks whom use a couple watts to a voice FM signal on an external antenna .
The wifi is much faster ( needs higher SNR ) and has an inside antenna and have a zilionth of a watt , so unlikely .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course, you'd only have about 90 minutes of access as I recall; the ISS orbits too fast for much more access time.The orbit is about 91 minutes long.. An ideal ground track is only a couple minutes... talk to the ham radio folks whom use a couple watts to a voice FM signal on an external antenna.
The wifi is much faster (needs higher SNR) and has an inside antenna and have a zilionth of a watt, so unlikely.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29977732</id>
	<title>Re:Issues with such networks generalize to Mars</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257002700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Quantum entanglement, baby!</p></div><p> <i>I am the Eschaton. I am not your God.<br>
I am descended from you, and exist in your future.<br>
Thou shalt not violate causality within my historic light cone. Or else.</i> </p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Quantum entanglement , baby !
I am the Eschaton .
I am not your God .
I am descended from you , and exist in your future .
Thou shalt not violate causality within my historic light cone .
Or else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Quantum entanglement, baby!
I am the Eschaton.
I am not your God.
I am descended from you, and exist in your future.
Thou shalt not violate causality within my historic light cone.
Or else. 
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29967528</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29970938</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting thought</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257252360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From the very article you quoted, trying to sound like a badass</p><p>The High Data Rate System transports data rates from 2 Mbit/s to 48 Mbit/s, for specialized missions requiring a high rate of data transfer.</p><p>Therefore the 10Mbps (average?) might be right on, if that's what NASA is choosing to share for this mission.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From the very article you quoted , trying to sound like a badassThe High Data Rate System transports data rates from 2 Mbit/s to 48 Mbit/s , for specialized missions requiring a high rate of data transfer.Therefore the 10Mbps ( average ?
) might be right on , if that 's what NASA is choosing to share for this mission .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the very article you quoted, trying to sound like a badassThe High Data Rate System transports data rates from 2 Mbit/s to 48 Mbit/s, for specialized missions requiring a high rate of data transfer.Therefore the 10Mbps (average?
) might be right on, if that's what NASA is choosing to share for this mission.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29976192</id>
	<title>Re:ISS spotting</title>
	<author>ggvaidya</author>
	<datestamp>1256991600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you've got a Twitter account, <a href="http://twisst.nl/" title="twisst.nl">Twisst</a> [twisst.nl] is a wonderful service which will send you a message, giving you about a day's warning to the next overpass. Since it gets your city from Twitter, it directly gives you a time and direction to look towards. It's a lot of fun, and very easy to remember to watch out. Check it out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 've got a Twitter account , Twisst [ twisst.nl ] is a wonderful service which will send you a message , giving you about a day 's warning to the next overpass .
Since it gets your city from Twitter , it directly gives you a time and direction to look towards .
It 's a lot of fun , and very easy to remember to watch out .
Check it out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you've got a Twitter account, Twisst [twisst.nl] is a wonderful service which will send you a message, giving you about a day's warning to the next overpass.
Since it gets your city from Twitter, it directly gives you a time and direction to look towards.
It's a lot of fun, and very easy to remember to watch out.
Check it out.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29967058</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29968014</id>
	<title>Re:"mankind's first permanent space colony"</title>
	<author>SashaMan</author>
	<datestamp>1257242040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This weekend I moved, and I always have a hard time throwing out old stuff. You know, an old palm pilot I haven't used in years, CRT monitors, close I don't wear anymore (or never really wore much in the first place), etc. I just feel guilty dumping stuff when there's nothing really wrong with it.</p><p>Then I though about how we spent tens of billions on the space station, only to throw it away a couple of years after it was finished, so subsequently I felt fine about throwing 3/4 of my closet in the dumpster.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This weekend I moved , and I always have a hard time throwing out old stuff .
You know , an old palm pilot I have n't used in years , CRT monitors , close I do n't wear anymore ( or never really wore much in the first place ) , etc .
I just feel guilty dumping stuff when there 's nothing really wrong with it.Then I though about how we spent tens of billions on the space station , only to throw it away a couple of years after it was finished , so subsequently I felt fine about throwing 3/4 of my closet in the dumpster .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This weekend I moved, and I always have a hard time throwing out old stuff.
You know, an old palm pilot I haven't used in years, CRT monitors, close I don't wear anymore (or never really wore much in the first place), etc.
I just feel guilty dumping stuff when there's nothing really wrong with it.Then I though about how we spent tens of billions on the space station, only to throw it away a couple of years after it was finished, so subsequently I felt fine about throwing 3/4 of my closet in the dumpster.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1842247.29972130</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257258540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Typical the only place the RIAA cant get you, is the place where you can get free legal movies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Typical the only place the RIAA cant get you , is the place where you can get free legal movies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Typical the only place the RIAA cant get you, is the place where you can get free legal movies.</sentencetext>
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