<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_03_1659215</id>
	<title>Could GPS Keep Tabs On Your Pets?</title>
	<author>samzenpus</author>
	<datestamp>1257273660000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"Google Latitude has already made headlines for allowing phone users to locate their friends, and there are countless other iPhone and Android phone apps already designed to transmit your location &mdash; but <a href="http://www.pcauthority.com.au/News/159581,lost-and-found-could-gps-keep-tabs-on-your-pets.aspx">could pets be the next big thing in GPS tracking</a>? A number of device manufacturers are marketing GPS technology as a futuristic tool for tracking your cat or dog, and even discovering exactly where they've been. These devices are sold under a number of names and brands, including Sportdog, LoCATor, RoamEO, Petcell, Zoombak and Pettrack."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " Google Latitude has already made headlines for allowing phone users to locate their friends , and there are countless other iPhone and Android phone apps already designed to transmit your location    but could pets be the next big thing in GPS tracking ?
A number of device manufacturers are marketing GPS technology as a futuristic tool for tracking your cat or dog , and even discovering exactly where they 've been .
These devices are sold under a number of names and brands , including Sportdog , LoCATor , RoamEO , Petcell , Zoombak and Pettrack .
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<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "Google Latitude has already made headlines for allowing phone users to locate their friends, and there are countless other iPhone and Android phone apps already designed to transmit your location — but could pets be the next big thing in GPS tracking?
A number of device manufacturers are marketing GPS technology as a futuristic tool for tracking your cat or dog, and even discovering exactly where they've been.
These devices are sold under a number of names and brands, including Sportdog, LoCATor, RoamEO, Petcell, Zoombak and Pettrack.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29974584</id>
	<title>Get a leash!</title>
	<author>tomhudson</author>
	<datestamp>1257277860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
If you love your dog or cat, keep it on a leash outdoors.  Being able to track it down when it's road kill, or frozen to death and chewed up by a snowblower, isn't being a good owner.
</p><p>
Just off the top of my head, my dogs and I have come across:
</p><ul>
<li>a small dog that was frozen to death against a fence; 2 days after, the kids who owned it asked me if I had seen it - I had to lie to them and say I hadn't;</li>
<li>lots of cats frozen to death in snowbanks, where they crawl to try to get out of the wind;</li>
<li>cats with their guts all over the place because passing cars ran over them;</li>
<li>stray dogs that are hungry and scared;</li>
<li>cats with their backs broken;</li>
<li>lots of "have you seen this cat" posters (there are 2 different ones up right now on a single street);</li>
</ul><p>
GPS doesn't "fix" any of this.  Letting your pets wander around is no more "humane" than letting a toddler run around.  Putting a cat on a leash is no less practical than putting a dog on a leash;  the only difference is that, if both a cat and a dog are picked up by the pound, the cat is a lot more likely to be put down (here, half of all dogs put up for adoption find homes compared to only 10\% of all cats).
</p><p>
Also, your neighbours aren't exactly thrilled with your cats running around, killing birds, digging up gardens and flowers, and howling at all hours of the night. Or your dogs running around chasing people.
</p><p>
Put a leash on it.  It's cheaper than a GPS, and it can save your pets' life.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you love your dog or cat , keep it on a leash outdoors .
Being able to track it down when it 's road kill , or frozen to death and chewed up by a snowblower , is n't being a good owner .
Just off the top of my head , my dogs and I have come across : a small dog that was frozen to death against a fence ; 2 days after , the kids who owned it asked me if I had seen it - I had to lie to them and say I had n't ; lots of cats frozen to death in snowbanks , where they crawl to try to get out of the wind ; cats with their guts all over the place because passing cars ran over them ; stray dogs that are hungry and scared ; cats with their backs broken ; lots of " have you seen this cat " posters ( there are 2 different ones up right now on a single street ) ; GPS does n't " fix " any of this .
Letting your pets wander around is no more " humane " than letting a toddler run around .
Putting a cat on a leash is no less practical than putting a dog on a leash ; the only difference is that , if both a cat and a dog are picked up by the pound , the cat is a lot more likely to be put down ( here , half of all dogs put up for adoption find homes compared to only 10 \ % of all cats ) .
Also , your neighbours are n't exactly thrilled with your cats running around , killing birds , digging up gardens and flowers , and howling at all hours of the night .
Or your dogs running around chasing people .
Put a leash on it .
It 's cheaper than a GPS , and it can save your pets ' life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
If you love your dog or cat, keep it on a leash outdoors.
Being able to track it down when it's road kill, or frozen to death and chewed up by a snowblower, isn't being a good owner.
Just off the top of my head, my dogs and I have come across:

a small dog that was frozen to death against a fence; 2 days after, the kids who owned it asked me if I had seen it - I had to lie to them and say I hadn't;
lots of cats frozen to death in snowbanks, where they crawl to try to get out of the wind;
cats with their guts all over the place because passing cars ran over them;
stray dogs that are hungry and scared;
cats with their backs broken;
lots of "have you seen this cat" posters (there are 2 different ones up right now on a single street);

GPS doesn't "fix" any of this.
Letting your pets wander around is no more "humane" than letting a toddler run around.
Putting a cat on a leash is no less practical than putting a dog on a leash;  the only difference is that, if both a cat and a dog are picked up by the pound, the cat is a lot more likely to be put down (here, half of all dogs put up for adoption find homes compared to only 10\% of all cats).
Also, your neighbours aren't exactly thrilled with your cats running around, killing birds, digging up gardens and flowers, and howling at all hours of the night.
Or your dogs running around chasing people.
Put a leash on it.
It's cheaper than a GPS, and it can save your pets' life.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29980422</id>
	<title>Schrodinger's Cat</title>
	<author>TheRealPacmanJones</author>
	<datestamp>1257011580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe if Schrodinger had GPS he would finally know where his cat had gone. Or not gone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe if Schrodinger had GPS he would finally know where his cat had gone .
Or not gone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe if Schrodinger had GPS he would finally know where his cat had gone.
Or not gone.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29974998</id>
	<title>Re:Get a leash!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256979780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am not big on pets, but I know a good number of people who have cats and keep them inside without any problems. Cats will hunt if let outside, but they do not need to be let outside.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am not big on pets , but I know a good number of people who have cats and keep them inside without any problems .
Cats will hunt if let outside , but they do not need to be let outside .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am not big on pets, but I know a good number of people who have cats and keep them inside without any problems.
Cats will hunt if let outside, but they do not need to be let outside.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29977774</id>
	<title>Re:Get a leash!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257002880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your seriously bitching about FREE and HIGH QUALITY fertilizer for your tomatoes? What are you one of those GET OFF MY LAWN fogies?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your seriously bitching about FREE and HIGH QUALITY fertilizer for your tomatoes ?
What are you one of those GET OFF MY LAWN fogies ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your seriously bitching about FREE and HIGH QUALITY fertilizer for your tomatoes?
What are you one of those GET OFF MY LAWN fogies?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29974926</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29977554</id>
	<title>Stalking anyone?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257001980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hay, why just fallow someone, now you can put one of these on there car. Paparazzi should love this too.</p><p>As soon as I saw this on TV, first thing thing I thought of.<br>
&nbsp; Anyone taking bets on how soon this will come up in a Order of Protection?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hay , why just fallow someone , now you can put one of these on there car .
Paparazzi should love this too.As soon as I saw this on TV , first thing thing I thought of .
  Anyone taking bets on how soon this will come up in a Order of Protection ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hay, why just fallow someone, now you can put one of these on there car.
Paparazzi should love this too.As soon as I saw this on TV, first thing thing I thought of.
  Anyone taking bets on how soon this will come up in a Order of Protection?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29977530</id>
	<title>best tag</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257001800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>youarenext</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>youarenext</tokentext>
<sentencetext>youarenext</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29982414</id>
	<title>Sigh..</title>
	<author>PDX</author>
	<datestamp>1257017580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Timmy fell down the well again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Timmy fell down the well again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Timmy fell down the well again.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29974550</id>
	<title>Track pets = track people?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257277500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My first thought was "Cool, pets don't have privacy issues so tracking them shouldn't be a problem. Would be great if they're lost". Then I thought about celebrities and their pets - how for some celebrities who think their pet is an accessory tracking their pet isn't that different to tracking them. Unfortunately its not limited to celebrities either.</p><p>Perhaps what you need is a GPS system that only switches on if the owner activates it remotely (or fails to respond to an alarm that requires you to tell it not to activate).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My first thought was " Cool , pets do n't have privacy issues so tracking them should n't be a problem .
Would be great if they 're lost " .
Then I thought about celebrities and their pets - how for some celebrities who think their pet is an accessory tracking their pet is n't that different to tracking them .
Unfortunately its not limited to celebrities either.Perhaps what you need is a GPS system that only switches on if the owner activates it remotely ( or fails to respond to an alarm that requires you to tell it not to activate ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My first thought was "Cool, pets don't have privacy issues so tracking them shouldn't be a problem.
Would be great if they're lost".
Then I thought about celebrities and their pets - how for some celebrities who think their pet is an accessory tracking their pet isn't that different to tracking them.
Unfortunately its not limited to celebrities either.Perhaps what you need is a GPS system that only switches on if the owner activates it remotely (or fails to respond to an alarm that requires you to tell it not to activate).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29982544</id>
	<title>Re:Get a leash!</title>
	<author>Golddess</author>
	<datestamp>1257017880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Really?  The <i>only</i> reason you didn't surgically sever up to what on a human would be equivalent to the first knuckle was so that they could defend themselves?  Do you have <i>any</i> idea what additional purposes claws have?  Cats walk on their claws, they use them to help grip things, and since I'm not clear what you call "defensive purposes", they use them as an additional "hey, back off!" so as to <i>avoid</i> a full-on, rip-out-their-jugular confrontation.<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.theanimalspirit.com/declaw.html" title="theanimalspirit.com">http://www.theanimalspirit.com/declaw.html</a> [theanimalspirit.com]<p><div class="quote"><p>injuries sustained against a bigger animal it fought -- something the leash doesn't prevent</p></div><p>As long as you are on the other end of that leash, it can.  Unless the bigger animal was, like, a bear or something.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Really ?
The only reason you did n't surgically sever up to what on a human would be equivalent to the first knuckle was so that they could defend themselves ?
Do you have any idea what additional purposes claws have ?
Cats walk on their claws , they use them to help grip things , and since I 'm not clear what you call " defensive purposes " , they use them as an additional " hey , back off !
" so as to avoid a full-on , rip-out-their-jugular confrontation .
http : //www.theanimalspirit.com/declaw.html [ theanimalspirit.com ] injuries sustained against a bigger animal it fought -- something the leash does n't preventAs long as you are on the other end of that leash , it can .
Unless the bigger animal was , like , a bear or something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really?
The only reason you didn't surgically sever up to what on a human would be equivalent to the first knuckle was so that they could defend themselves?
Do you have any idea what additional purposes claws have?
Cats walk on their claws, they use them to help grip things, and since I'm not clear what you call "defensive purposes", they use them as an additional "hey, back off!
" so as to avoid a full-on, rip-out-their-jugular confrontation.
http://www.theanimalspirit.com/declaw.html [theanimalspirit.com]injuries sustained against a bigger animal it fought -- something the leash doesn't preventAs long as you are on the other end of that leash, it can.
Unless the bigger animal was, like, a bear or something.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29975348</id>
	<title>That is not correct here around</title>
	<author>aepervius</author>
	<datestamp>1256982840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The animal pound usually do not pick up cat with a tatoo in the ear, or when they do they contact the person to which it is registered. Lately they even have programs with those chips, but I prefer a visible tatoo. What you have at the pound are most probably either stray cat, or abandoned animals, and that happen all too often with cats and dogs (neat and nice while small, and once they reach 1 year old or the next summer holiday, left over the side of the road, I wish I could have a few word with people doing that type of shit). Most people which have cat I know of, try to get their cat to come back home in the evening. So again yowling cat outside are most probably not a home cat. As for killing birds, well you realize that cats in the wild DO eat birds, rodent and various small animals, right ?</htmltext>
<tokenext>The animal pound usually do not pick up cat with a tatoo in the ear , or when they do they contact the person to which it is registered .
Lately they even have programs with those chips , but I prefer a visible tatoo .
What you have at the pound are most probably either stray cat , or abandoned animals , and that happen all too often with cats and dogs ( neat and nice while small , and once they reach 1 year old or the next summer holiday , left over the side of the road , I wish I could have a few word with people doing that type of shit ) .
Most people which have cat I know of , try to get their cat to come back home in the evening .
So again yowling cat outside are most probably not a home cat .
As for killing birds , well you realize that cats in the wild DO eat birds , rodent and various small animals , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The animal pound usually do not pick up cat with a tatoo in the ear, or when they do they contact the person to which it is registered.
Lately they even have programs with those chips, but I prefer a visible tatoo.
What you have at the pound are most probably either stray cat, or abandoned animals, and that happen all too often with cats and dogs (neat and nice while small, and once they reach 1 year old or the next summer holiday, left over the side of the road, I wish I could have a few word with people doing that type of shit).
Most people which have cat I know of, try to get their cat to come back home in the evening.
So again yowling cat outside are most probably not a home cat.
As for killing birds, well you realize that cats in the wild DO eat birds, rodent and various small animals, right ?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29977870</id>
	<title>Perfect for parrots</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257003360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Many are microchipped as it is, with lifespans of 30-60 years it makes sense to want to locate them if they get out of the house on their own.</p><p>How? Well let me answer that for you numbskull. The owner dies, the pet is then willed to someone else in the family who could care less about it. Instead of rehoming it to someone who would properly care for it, they neglect it's beak, nails, and wings. Give it a year or two or this and the first change it gets to get out of the cage while the poop tray and poop grate are removed, it will, and then fly out the first open window -- or worse into a ceiling fan or land on a pot of black beans cooking on the stove (these are all REAL occurrences BTW).</p><p>So the animal gets out, the owner is distraught and wishes to get the animal back. Unlike cats, birds don't go ferral. A 30 year old african grey can't survive the winter, let alone find water if it's used to a Lixit bottle it's whole life. Most captive birds die within 48 hours of being "free" because they can't find food or water, or shelter. I've seen an umbrella cockatoo get hit by the roof rack of a jeep in Memphis once, we were on our way to the zoo, the frantic owner was at the cross walk waiting on traffic to try and get to her when she decided to fly to her... and right into a Thule roofrack. It was not pretty.</p><p>Anyway, so the GPS allows you to more easily find the animal and attempt to get it. More important this would hopefully involve the police or fire department, or animal control, as the idiot with the parrot has none of the tools to get it out of a tree (they DO get stuck in trees), and hopefully one of the medics/police/fireguys notices that this person is a blathering idiot and puts the bird into a rescue/sanctuary where it's better cared for.</p><p>There is also bird theft, where people who have 2-3 birds...usually rescues... get broken into and the birds stolen (and smuggled, often inhumanely). This allows you to track the bird (even if it dies in the hands of the kidnappers) and arrest the theif and hopefully recover the other animals.</p><p>I'd of course expect this to be more of an injectable chip like the ID chips we have available now, and I'm sure in time that will happen.</p><p>For once I actually agree w/ the use/idea behind this GPS technology.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Many are microchipped as it is , with lifespans of 30-60 years it makes sense to want to locate them if they get out of the house on their own.How ?
Well let me answer that for you numbskull .
The owner dies , the pet is then willed to someone else in the family who could care less about it .
Instead of rehoming it to someone who would properly care for it , they neglect it 's beak , nails , and wings .
Give it a year or two or this and the first change it gets to get out of the cage while the poop tray and poop grate are removed , it will , and then fly out the first open window -- or worse into a ceiling fan or land on a pot of black beans cooking on the stove ( these are all REAL occurrences BTW ) .So the animal gets out , the owner is distraught and wishes to get the animal back .
Unlike cats , birds do n't go ferral .
A 30 year old african grey ca n't survive the winter , let alone find water if it 's used to a Lixit bottle it 's whole life .
Most captive birds die within 48 hours of being " free " because they ca n't find food or water , or shelter .
I 've seen an umbrella cockatoo get hit by the roof rack of a jeep in Memphis once , we were on our way to the zoo , the frantic owner was at the cross walk waiting on traffic to try and get to her when she decided to fly to her... and right into a Thule roofrack .
It was not pretty.Anyway , so the GPS allows you to more easily find the animal and attempt to get it .
More important this would hopefully involve the police or fire department , or animal control , as the idiot with the parrot has none of the tools to get it out of a tree ( they DO get stuck in trees ) , and hopefully one of the medics/police/fireguys notices that this person is a blathering idiot and puts the bird into a rescue/sanctuary where it 's better cared for.There is also bird theft , where people who have 2-3 birds...usually rescues... get broken into and the birds stolen ( and smuggled , often inhumanely ) .
This allows you to track the bird ( even if it dies in the hands of the kidnappers ) and arrest the theif and hopefully recover the other animals.I 'd of course expect this to be more of an injectable chip like the ID chips we have available now , and I 'm sure in time that will happen.For once I actually agree w/ the use/idea behind this GPS technology .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many are microchipped as it is, with lifespans of 30-60 years it makes sense to want to locate them if they get out of the house on their own.How?
Well let me answer that for you numbskull.
The owner dies, the pet is then willed to someone else in the family who could care less about it.
Instead of rehoming it to someone who would properly care for it, they neglect it's beak, nails, and wings.
Give it a year or two or this and the first change it gets to get out of the cage while the poop tray and poop grate are removed, it will, and then fly out the first open window -- or worse into a ceiling fan or land on a pot of black beans cooking on the stove (these are all REAL occurrences BTW).So the animal gets out, the owner is distraught and wishes to get the animal back.
Unlike cats, birds don't go ferral.
A 30 year old african grey can't survive the winter, let alone find water if it's used to a Lixit bottle it's whole life.
Most captive birds die within 48 hours of being "free" because they can't find food or water, or shelter.
I've seen an umbrella cockatoo get hit by the roof rack of a jeep in Memphis once, we were on our way to the zoo, the frantic owner was at the cross walk waiting on traffic to try and get to her when she decided to fly to her... and right into a Thule roofrack.
It was not pretty.Anyway, so the GPS allows you to more easily find the animal and attempt to get it.
More important this would hopefully involve the police or fire department, or animal control, as the idiot with the parrot has none of the tools to get it out of a tree (they DO get stuck in trees), and hopefully one of the medics/police/fireguys notices that this person is a blathering idiot and puts the bird into a rescue/sanctuary where it's better cared for.There is also bird theft, where people who have 2-3 birds...usually rescues... get broken into and the birds stolen (and smuggled, often inhumanely).
This allows you to track the bird (even if it dies in the hands of the kidnappers) and arrest the theif and hopefully recover the other animals.I'd of course expect this to be more of an injectable chip like the ID chips we have available now, and I'm sure in time that will happen.For once I actually agree w/ the use/idea behind this GPS technology.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29975216</id>
	<title>Re:Get a leash!</title>
	<author>DreamsAreOkToo</author>
	<datestamp>1256981700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My cat is miserable if I won't let him outside. You know all those annoying things cats are known for?  Well, he's pretty good about that... unless I haven't let him outside for 2 days. On day 3, he's pissing on things, breaking lamps, scratching everything in site, meowing at me constantly, "accidentally" using his claws with me, getting on the countertops, letting the dog into the basement* and generally terrorizing the place.</p><p>He's 15 years old and as healthy as a horse. I've let him outside nearly every day of his life since the day I adopted him from a farm where he learned to hunt. My neighbors started complaining about these red squirrels that moved into the area, but they haven't come near my place (and neither has any other rodent pest). He rarely hunts birds, but my neighbor seemed to think he was a nuisance killing birds. Apparently there is a law in my area that cats cannot be let outside (Wtf?) I received a police citation and kept him inside for two whole weeks (Uggghh).  Finally, I found an exception to the law, filled out the forms and started letting him outside again. He was the happiest I've ever seen him.</p><p>Pets are animals. Letting them outside can get them killed. But humans go outside all the time where we are frequently killed. Humans go outside and are run over by cars. Humans go outside and freeze to death. Humans go outside and starve to death.</p><p>There ARE two sides of the argument, and quite frankly pets are animals. Its humans that despair when their pets die, and its humans that are responsible for keeping their pets safe. But it's also humans that are responsible for keeping their pets happy. Don't tell ME how I should care for my pet. One cat wanders outside every day, the other cat lolls indoors all day. Don't lecture me on what's humane.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My cat is miserable if I wo n't let him outside .
You know all those annoying things cats are known for ?
Well , he 's pretty good about that... unless I have n't let him outside for 2 days .
On day 3 , he 's pissing on things , breaking lamps , scratching everything in site , meowing at me constantly , " accidentally " using his claws with me , getting on the countertops , letting the dog into the basement * and generally terrorizing the place.He 's 15 years old and as healthy as a horse .
I 've let him outside nearly every day of his life since the day I adopted him from a farm where he learned to hunt .
My neighbors started complaining about these red squirrels that moved into the area , but they have n't come near my place ( and neither has any other rodent pest ) .
He rarely hunts birds , but my neighbor seemed to think he was a nuisance killing birds .
Apparently there is a law in my area that cats can not be let outside ( Wtf ?
) I received a police citation and kept him inside for two whole weeks ( Uggghh ) .
Finally , I found an exception to the law , filled out the forms and started letting him outside again .
He was the happiest I 've ever seen him.Pets are animals .
Letting them outside can get them killed .
But humans go outside all the time where we are frequently killed .
Humans go outside and are run over by cars .
Humans go outside and freeze to death .
Humans go outside and starve to death.There ARE two sides of the argument , and quite frankly pets are animals .
Its humans that despair when their pets die , and its humans that are responsible for keeping their pets safe .
But it 's also humans that are responsible for keeping their pets happy .
Do n't tell ME how I should care for my pet .
One cat wanders outside every day , the other cat lolls indoors all day .
Do n't lecture me on what 's humane .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My cat is miserable if I won't let him outside.
You know all those annoying things cats are known for?
Well, he's pretty good about that... unless I haven't let him outside for 2 days.
On day 3, he's pissing on things, breaking lamps, scratching everything in site, meowing at me constantly, "accidentally" using his claws with me, getting on the countertops, letting the dog into the basement* and generally terrorizing the place.He's 15 years old and as healthy as a horse.
I've let him outside nearly every day of his life since the day I adopted him from a farm where he learned to hunt.
My neighbors started complaining about these red squirrels that moved into the area, but they haven't come near my place (and neither has any other rodent pest).
He rarely hunts birds, but my neighbor seemed to think he was a nuisance killing birds.
Apparently there is a law in my area that cats cannot be let outside (Wtf?
) I received a police citation and kept him inside for two whole weeks (Uggghh).
Finally, I found an exception to the law, filled out the forms and started letting him outside again.
He was the happiest I've ever seen him.Pets are animals.
Letting them outside can get them killed.
But humans go outside all the time where we are frequently killed.
Humans go outside and are run over by cars.
Humans go outside and freeze to death.
Humans go outside and starve to death.There ARE two sides of the argument, and quite frankly pets are animals.
Its humans that despair when their pets die, and its humans that are responsible for keeping their pets safe.
But it's also humans that are responsible for keeping their pets happy.
Don't tell ME how I should care for my pet.
One cat wanders outside every day, the other cat lolls indoors all day.
Don't lecture me on what's humane.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29974800</id>
	<title>Re:Are they</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257020880000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh, it's accurate. Especially when you leave Fido in the car as you visit your other significant other.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , it 's accurate .
Especially when you leave Fido in the car as you visit your other significant other .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, it's accurate.
Especially when you leave Fido in the car as you visit your other significant other.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29978298</id>
	<title>GPS for tracking hunting dogs.</title>
	<author>Kavli</author>
	<datestamp>1257004980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At least here in Scandinavia, it's becoming very popular to track hunting dogs using GPS.<br>In the bad old days, tracking using a transmitter on the dog and a highly directional Yagi antenna was, and partly is quite common, but with the new, relatively affordable GPS based trackers, dog owners can now get their dogs position directly onto their mobile phone.</p><p>Like this one (swedish text):<br>
&nbsp; <a href="http://www.outdoorexperten.se/p-6739-zodiac-tracker-myway-hundhalsband.aspx" title="outdoorexperten.se" rel="nofollow">http://www.outdoorexperten.se/p-6739-zodiac-tracker-myway-hundhalsband.aspx</a> [outdoorexperten.se]</p><p>&euro;800 can seem steep, but a hunting dog can be worth a lot more, and looking for a dog for hours can be quite tedious.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At least here in Scandinavia , it 's becoming very popular to track hunting dogs using GPS.In the bad old days , tracking using a transmitter on the dog and a highly directional Yagi antenna was , and partly is quite common , but with the new , relatively affordable GPS based trackers , dog owners can now get their dogs position directly onto their mobile phone.Like this one ( swedish text ) :   http : //www.outdoorexperten.se/p-6739-zodiac-tracker-myway-hundhalsband.aspx [ outdoorexperten.se ]    800 can seem steep , but a hunting dog can be worth a lot more , and looking for a dog for hours can be quite tedious .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least here in Scandinavia, it's becoming very popular to track hunting dogs using GPS.In the bad old days, tracking using a transmitter on the dog and a highly directional Yagi antenna was, and partly is quite common, but with the new, relatively affordable GPS based trackers, dog owners can now get their dogs position directly onto their mobile phone.Like this one (swedish text):
  http://www.outdoorexperten.se/p-6739-zodiac-tracker-myway-hundhalsband.aspx [outdoorexperten.se]€800 can seem steep, but a hunting dog can be worth a lot more, and looking for a dog for hours can be quite tedious.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29983056</id>
	<title>Be Careful!</title>
	<author>nmos</author>
	<datestamp>1257019320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm too cheap to buy a dedicated device so when I saw that Verizon had a free demo of their Chaperone app (track your kid's cell phone etc) I was in business.   I just taped my cell phone to the cat and let him out.  It worked out great and I learned a lot about my cat's habits.  Watching him jump when I called him was hilarious!  Unfortunately the day came when I had to remove the phone, and more importantly, the tape from the cat.  Trust me, you don't EVER want to try to remove duct tape from a long haired cat!</p><p>Just kidding, but I have thought about it a time or two.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm too cheap to buy a dedicated device so when I saw that Verizon had a free demo of their Chaperone app ( track your kid 's cell phone etc ) I was in business .
I just taped my cell phone to the cat and let him out .
It worked out great and I learned a lot about my cat 's habits .
Watching him jump when I called him was hilarious !
Unfortunately the day came when I had to remove the phone , and more importantly , the tape from the cat .
Trust me , you do n't EVER want to try to remove duct tape from a long haired cat ! Just kidding , but I have thought about it a time or two .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm too cheap to buy a dedicated device so when I saw that Verizon had a free demo of their Chaperone app (track your kid's cell phone etc) I was in business.
I just taped my cell phone to the cat and let him out.
It worked out great and I learned a lot about my cat's habits.
Watching him jump when I called him was hilarious!
Unfortunately the day came when I had to remove the phone, and more importantly, the tape from the cat.
Trust me, you don't EVER want to try to remove duct tape from a long haired cat!Just kidding, but I have thought about it a time or two.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29978508</id>
	<title>Wonderful tool best used for hunting dogs.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257005820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Granted, these things are pretty much worthless for the typical house dog or cat.  The transmitter batteries only last about 17 hours anyway.  But, they are very popular with hunters (especially coon hunters--many of which never actually kill the racoons, but simply run dogs in competitions.  Garmin makes a unit that serves a dual purpose.  The receiver will let the hunter know where he is at in case he gets lost as well as enabling him to find his dog if it trees a coon so far away that the hunter cannot hear and locate the dog.  They are great for hunting, but still the battery life sucks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Granted , these things are pretty much worthless for the typical house dog or cat .
The transmitter batteries only last about 17 hours anyway .
But , they are very popular with hunters ( especially coon hunters--many of which never actually kill the racoons , but simply run dogs in competitions .
Garmin makes a unit that serves a dual purpose .
The receiver will let the hunter know where he is at in case he gets lost as well as enabling him to find his dog if it trees a coon so far away that the hunter can not hear and locate the dog .
They are great for hunting , but still the battery life sucks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Granted, these things are pretty much worthless for the typical house dog or cat.
The transmitter batteries only last about 17 hours anyway.
But, they are very popular with hunters (especially coon hunters--many of which never actually kill the racoons, but simply run dogs in competitions.
Garmin makes a unit that serves a dual purpose.
The receiver will let the hunter know where he is at in case he gets lost as well as enabling him to find his dog if it trees a coon so far away that the hunter cannot hear and locate the dog.
They are great for hunting, but still the battery life sucks.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29977864</id>
	<title>Pet tracking?</title>
	<author>GameboyRMH</author>
	<datestamp>1257003300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What a silly novelty. How about some active noise cancellation for dogs?</htmltext>
<tokenext>What a silly novelty .
How about some active noise cancellation for dogs ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What a silly novelty.
How about some active noise cancellation for dogs?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29975346</id>
	<title>Re:Get a leash!</title>
	<author>Dan541</author>
	<datestamp>1256982840000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I keep my cat inside all the time. Those cat owners are just lazy and can't be bothered keep control of their animals.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I keep my cat inside all the time .
Those cat owners are just lazy and ca n't be bothered keep control of their animals .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I keep my cat inside all the time.
Those cat owners are just lazy and can't be bothered keep control of their animals.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29976428</id>
	<title>Re:Get a leash!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256994180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So instead of tearing up the furniture, they go out and kill birds and squirrels,</p></div><p>We have too many birds and squirrels where I live. I can not fucking believe you would defend squirrels, which are a nuisance anywhere but a forest. That's like these idiots who rescue deer that can't survive on their own. I'll rescue them, right into my fucking freezer. People are going hungry and people want to spend money to save the deer, I just can't fathom it.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>dig up gardens and shit on your tomatoes,</p></div><p>Our cat has never disturbed the tomatoes, but she did shit on a yellow rose bush on the side of the house which put on a big flower set for the first time that we've seen. If a cat digs up your tomatoes there was probably something else trying to dig up your tomatoes from the underside, and having a cat living in the garden might have prevented that particular occurrence. We have around 1/4 ac. of fenced garden and Evil (the aforementioned cat) spends a lot of time stalking there, but has NEVER disturbed any of our food plants.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>spray cars and motorcycles and front porches</p></div><p>Not if they're fixed. Additionally, I've only had dogs piss on my wheels, never cats.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>spend their nights howling at each other and fighting, and getting pregnant and having more cats that nobody wants.</p> </div><p>The fighting comes from too many cats nobody wants, while the howling and getting pregnant are solved by a cheap vet visit. It is not necessary to pen a cat up to stop it from breeding.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Both cats and dogs can be handled with a leash.</p></div><p>Putting any animal on a leash is wrong. If you can't have an animal without having it on a leash, you shouldn't have an animal. Period, the end, full stop.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>They get a cat because, compared to a dog, a cat is a lot less work.</p> </div><p>They get a cat because they like cats. Or as in our case, because they need one. Really, we could probably support three or more, and they could live on vermin year-round.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>You don't have to poop-and-scoop, just get a litter box.</p></div><p>Evil is an individual and can handle her own shit. She never comes inside, though, because I am allergic to cats.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Pets are a responsibility, and they take work.</p></div><p>So far the work has come down to getting a prefixed cat for free, and putting aloe on a big gash she got on her chest, probably while fighting one of the large rodents we have on the property. It healed up very nicely without any modern medicine.</p><p>You are not very smart, and you have a personal crusade against pets. That makes you boring.</p></div>
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<tokenext>So instead of tearing up the furniture , they go out and kill birds and squirrels,We have too many birds and squirrels where I live .
I can not fucking believe you would defend squirrels , which are a nuisance anywhere but a forest .
That 's like these idiots who rescue deer that ca n't survive on their own .
I 'll rescue them , right into my fucking freezer .
People are going hungry and people want to spend money to save the deer , I just ca n't fathom it.dig up gardens and shit on your tomatoes,Our cat has never disturbed the tomatoes , but she did shit on a yellow rose bush on the side of the house which put on a big flower set for the first time that we 've seen .
If a cat digs up your tomatoes there was probably something else trying to dig up your tomatoes from the underside , and having a cat living in the garden might have prevented that particular occurrence .
We have around 1/4 ac .
of fenced garden and Evil ( the aforementioned cat ) spends a lot of time stalking there , but has NEVER disturbed any of our food plants.spray cars and motorcycles and front porchesNot if they 're fixed .
Additionally , I 've only had dogs piss on my wheels , never cats.spend their nights howling at each other and fighting , and getting pregnant and having more cats that nobody wants .
The fighting comes from too many cats nobody wants , while the howling and getting pregnant are solved by a cheap vet visit .
It is not necessary to pen a cat up to stop it from breeding.Both cats and dogs can be handled with a leash.Putting any animal on a leash is wrong .
If you ca n't have an animal without having it on a leash , you should n't have an animal .
Period , the end , full stop.They get a cat because , compared to a dog , a cat is a lot less work .
They get a cat because they like cats .
Or as in our case , because they need one .
Really , we could probably support three or more , and they could live on vermin year-round.You do n't have to poop-and-scoop , just get a litter box.Evil is an individual and can handle her own shit .
She never comes inside , though , because I am allergic to cats.Pets are a responsibility , and they take work.So far the work has come down to getting a prefixed cat for free , and putting aloe on a big gash she got on her chest , probably while fighting one of the large rodents we have on the property .
It healed up very nicely without any modern medicine.You are not very smart , and you have a personal crusade against pets .
That makes you boring .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So instead of tearing up the furniture, they go out and kill birds and squirrels,We have too many birds and squirrels where I live.
I can not fucking believe you would defend squirrels, which are a nuisance anywhere but a forest.
That's like these idiots who rescue deer that can't survive on their own.
I'll rescue them, right into my fucking freezer.
People are going hungry and people want to spend money to save the deer, I just can't fathom it.dig up gardens and shit on your tomatoes,Our cat has never disturbed the tomatoes, but she did shit on a yellow rose bush on the side of the house which put on a big flower set for the first time that we've seen.
If a cat digs up your tomatoes there was probably something else trying to dig up your tomatoes from the underside, and having a cat living in the garden might have prevented that particular occurrence.
We have around 1/4 ac.
of fenced garden and Evil (the aforementioned cat) spends a lot of time stalking there, but has NEVER disturbed any of our food plants.spray cars and motorcycles and front porchesNot if they're fixed.
Additionally, I've only had dogs piss on my wheels, never cats.spend their nights howling at each other and fighting, and getting pregnant and having more cats that nobody wants.
The fighting comes from too many cats nobody wants, while the howling and getting pregnant are solved by a cheap vet visit.
It is not necessary to pen a cat up to stop it from breeding.Both cats and dogs can be handled with a leash.Putting any animal on a leash is wrong.
If you can't have an animal without having it on a leash, you shouldn't have an animal.
Period, the end, full stop.They get a cat because, compared to a dog, a cat is a lot less work.
They get a cat because they like cats.
Or as in our case, because they need one.
Really, we could probably support three or more, and they could live on vermin year-round.You don't have to poop-and-scoop, just get a litter box.Evil is an individual and can handle her own shit.
She never comes inside, though, because I am allergic to cats.Pets are a responsibility, and they take work.So far the work has come down to getting a prefixed cat for free, and putting aloe on a big gash she got on her chest, probably while fighting one of the large rodents we have on the property.
It healed up very nicely without any modern medicine.You are not very smart, and you have a personal crusade against pets.
That makes you boring.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29976830</id>
	<title>Re:Get a leash!</title>
	<author>MadKeithV</author>
	<datestamp>1256998140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>spray cars and motorcycles and front porches</p></div><p>Not if they're fixed. </p></div><p>Wrong.

They will spray regardless of being fixed.  You don't have to bother googling up anything to try to disprove it, I've got two fixed cats that spray.</p></div>
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<tokenext>spray cars and motorcycles and front porchesNot if they 're fixed .
Wrong . They will spray regardless of being fixed .
You do n't have to bother googling up anything to try to disprove it , I 've got two fixed cats that spray .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>spray cars and motorcycles and front porchesNot if they're fixed.
Wrong.

They will spray regardless of being fixed.
You don't have to bother googling up anything to try to disprove it, I've got two fixed cats that spray.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29976172</id>
	<title>Solution</title>
	<author>ickeicke</author>
	<datestamp>1256991480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What if they track both the pet and the owner, and then only register the pets location on the website (behind a password of course) when the pet and owner are more than n meters away from each other? The irony of this system is of course that in order to increase the privacy of the owner, he/she too needs to be tracked initially...</htmltext>
<tokenext>What if they track both the pet and the owner , and then only register the pets location on the website ( behind a password of course ) when the pet and owner are more than n meters away from each other ?
The irony of this system is of course that in order to increase the privacy of the owner , he/she too needs to be tracked initially.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What if they track both the pet and the owner, and then only register the pets location on the website (behind a password of course) when the pet and owner are more than n meters away from each other?
The irony of this system is of course that in order to increase the privacy of the owner, he/she too needs to be tracked initially...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29974894</id>
	<title>Re:Get a leash!</title>
	<author>rolfwind</author>
	<datestamp>1257021720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>If you love your dog or cat, keep it on a leash outdoors. Being able to track it down when it's road kill, or frozen to death and chewed up by a snowblower, isn't being a good owner.</p></div></blockquote><p>Just because bad things can and do happen, doesn't mean we should keep animals on a leash.  I have had plenty of cats, I did get them shots and neutered/spade, but besides not declawing them (for defense purposes), I let them have free run outdoors.  Yes, I was on the main road and some got run over, but the vast majority were okay.  I never had one freeze to death, but I did provide a small, waterproof dog house for them to stay in if the weather got bad and no one was there to let them in.  They weren't stupid creatures although they often did stupid things.  I figured the few losses were worth their freedom - they weren't bored animals tethered against their will to a small radius.  (And yes, I had to shoot one with my<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.22 because of injuries sustained against a bigger animal it fought -- something the leash doesn't prevent -- but consider it a similiar to having to do that because it was hit by a car and not killed.  Wasn't happy about it, but it had a decent life otherwise).</p><p>Although I would refuse to adopt cats from other places, the insiders always got into trouble and did stupid things.</p><blockquote><div><p>Putting a cat on a leash is no less practical than putting a dog on a leash;</p></div></blockquote><p>The cats I have had would first fight against the leash and try to pull it off any which way, then try to choke themselves going around corners or through underbrush getting it off, or run in circles entangling themselves and the leash.  They'd be thouroughly neurotic within a week, and if ever let loose, probably choose to adopt a different household to cohabit.</p><p>But then I had only outdoor cats (housebroken, would sleep the cold nights inside, but the rest of the time outside).</p></div>
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<tokenext>If you love your dog or cat , keep it on a leash outdoors .
Being able to track it down when it 's road kill , or frozen to death and chewed up by a snowblower , is n't being a good owner.Just because bad things can and do happen , does n't mean we should keep animals on a leash .
I have had plenty of cats , I did get them shots and neutered/spade , but besides not declawing them ( for defense purposes ) , I let them have free run outdoors .
Yes , I was on the main road and some got run over , but the vast majority were okay .
I never had one freeze to death , but I did provide a small , waterproof dog house for them to stay in if the weather got bad and no one was there to let them in .
They were n't stupid creatures although they often did stupid things .
I figured the few losses were worth their freedom - they were n't bored animals tethered against their will to a small radius .
( And yes , I had to shoot one with my .22 because of injuries sustained against a bigger animal it fought -- something the leash does n't prevent -- but consider it a similiar to having to do that because it was hit by a car and not killed .
Was n't happy about it , but it had a decent life otherwise ) .Although I would refuse to adopt cats from other places , the insiders always got into trouble and did stupid things.Putting a cat on a leash is no less practical than putting a dog on a leash ; The cats I have had would first fight against the leash and try to pull it off any which way , then try to choke themselves going around corners or through underbrush getting it off , or run in circles entangling themselves and the leash .
They 'd be thouroughly neurotic within a week , and if ever let loose , probably choose to adopt a different household to cohabit.But then I had only outdoor cats ( housebroken , would sleep the cold nights inside , but the rest of the time outside ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you love your dog or cat, keep it on a leash outdoors.
Being able to track it down when it's road kill, or frozen to death and chewed up by a snowblower, isn't being a good owner.Just because bad things can and do happen, doesn't mean we should keep animals on a leash.
I have had plenty of cats, I did get them shots and neutered/spade, but besides not declawing them (for defense purposes), I let them have free run outdoors.
Yes, I was on the main road and some got run over, but the vast majority were okay.
I never had one freeze to death, but I did provide a small, waterproof dog house for them to stay in if the weather got bad and no one was there to let them in.
They weren't stupid creatures although they often did stupid things.
I figured the few losses were worth their freedom - they weren't bored animals tethered against their will to a small radius.
(And yes, I had to shoot one with my .22 because of injuries sustained against a bigger animal it fought -- something the leash doesn't prevent -- but consider it a similiar to having to do that because it was hit by a car and not killed.
Wasn't happy about it, but it had a decent life otherwise).Although I would refuse to adopt cats from other places, the insiders always got into trouble and did stupid things.Putting a cat on a leash is no less practical than putting a dog on a leash;The cats I have had would first fight against the leash and try to pull it off any which way, then try to choke themselves going around corners or through underbrush getting it off, or run in circles entangling themselves and the leash.
They'd be thouroughly neurotic within a week, and if ever let loose, probably choose to adopt a different household to cohabit.But then I had only outdoor cats (housebroken, would sleep the cold nights inside, but the rest of the time outside).
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29974758</id>
	<title>Re:Get a leash!</title>
	<author>bemymonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1257020460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not a pet owner, but I thought cats were \_supposed\_ to be let out on their own (at least that's what cat owners tell me), because otherwise they go crazy and tear up furniture or start eating the children...</p><p>Maybe it'd just be easier not to have pets in densely populated areas...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not a pet owner , but I thought cats were \ _supposed \ _ to be let out on their own ( at least that 's what cat owners tell me ) , because otherwise they go crazy and tear up furniture or start eating the children...Maybe it 'd just be easier not to have pets in densely populated areas.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not a pet owner, but I thought cats were \_supposed\_ to be let out on their own (at least that's what cat owners tell me), because otherwise they go crazy and tear up furniture or start eating the children...Maybe it'd just be easier not to have pets in densely populated areas...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29978510</id>
	<title>Re:Get a leash!</title>
	<author>Ericular</author>
	<datestamp>1257005820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The reason (sub)urban communities have leash laws that include cats is because some people don't want your cat on their property.  I don't think anyone is questioning an owners right to allow their cat to roam free around their own property.  However, it's the owner's responsibility to keep them off mine.  If you live in a 100' x 100' suburban lot and that's not enough roaming room for your cat to be happy, how is that my fault?  It's somewhat about safety, but more about courtesy.  Dogs would get antsy after 3 days inside too.  People let them run around in their fenced yards and walk them on leashes.  I'm not trying to be an insensitive clod, really -- I just don't think it's that unreasonable for a property owner to want their property free of other people's pets.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The reason ( sub ) urban communities have leash laws that include cats is because some people do n't want your cat on their property .
I do n't think anyone is questioning an owners right to allow their cat to roam free around their own property .
However , it 's the owner 's responsibility to keep them off mine .
If you live in a 100 ' x 100 ' suburban lot and that 's not enough roaming room for your cat to be happy , how is that my fault ?
It 's somewhat about safety , but more about courtesy .
Dogs would get antsy after 3 days inside too .
People let them run around in their fenced yards and walk them on leashes .
I 'm not trying to be an insensitive clod , really -- I just do n't think it 's that unreasonable for a property owner to want their property free of other people 's pets .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The reason (sub)urban communities have leash laws that include cats is because some people don't want your cat on their property.
I don't think anyone is questioning an owners right to allow their cat to roam free around their own property.
However, it's the owner's responsibility to keep them off mine.
If you live in a 100' x 100' suburban lot and that's not enough roaming room for your cat to be happy, how is that my fault?
It's somewhat about safety, but more about courtesy.
Dogs would get antsy after 3 days inside too.
People let them run around in their fenced yards and walk them on leashes.
I'm not trying to be an insensitive clod, really -- I just don't think it's that unreasonable for a property owner to want their property free of other people's pets.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29977298</id>
	<title>What about Alzhiemer's Patients?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257000720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>My father suffering from dementia wondered off into a swamp only 600 meters from his home where he passed away from hypothermia. There is a "powered" version of RFID available from a program called <a href="http://www.projectlifesaver.ca/" title="projectlifesaver.ca" rel="nofollow">http://www.projectlifesaver.ca/</a> [projectlifesaver.ca] which has been successful in locating missing alzheimer patients in under 20 min. The may hurdle to it's adaptation in the area where my father lived, Picton Ontario Canada, was the cost and logistics of battery replacement in the powered RFID bracelets. There is always a gap between the onset of dementia in an elderly person to a point where the doctor, health care workers and family commit to placement of their loved one in a wandering patient locked ward. The specter of splitting up an elderly couple where one person was begging to show signs of dementia caused every one in our case to delay committing my Father to a locked ward. At the time I had no idea how rapidly dementia could deteriorate. My father whent from a functional member of society, an avid multi km daily trail walker, to some one who would wonder off and get lost in a swamp in an area he grew up in for the last 83 years. His dementia worsened and deteriorated in just a few months.
Given my fathers condition, I would not expect him to remember to put on and tolerate wearing an external  bracelet. I'm sure in his final condition he would have certainly ripped any such thing off and he was strong and healthy enough to do so. A bracelet is out of the question and impractical. Battery maintenance is impractical and would require an infrastructure of health workers to track battery usage and replace it. I don't believe a bracelet with a constant battery swipe out works. I don't trust it.
How close are we to implantable GPS/cellular devices with multi year battery life?</htmltext>
<tokenext>My father suffering from dementia wondered off into a swamp only 600 meters from his home where he passed away from hypothermia .
There is a " powered " version of RFID available from a program called http : //www.projectlifesaver.ca/ [ projectlifesaver.ca ] which has been successful in locating missing alzheimer patients in under 20 min .
The may hurdle to it 's adaptation in the area where my father lived , Picton Ontario Canada , was the cost and logistics of battery replacement in the powered RFID bracelets .
There is always a gap between the onset of dementia in an elderly person to a point where the doctor , health care workers and family commit to placement of their loved one in a wandering patient locked ward .
The specter of splitting up an elderly couple where one person was begging to show signs of dementia caused every one in our case to delay committing my Father to a locked ward .
At the time I had no idea how rapidly dementia could deteriorate .
My father whent from a functional member of society , an avid multi km daily trail walker , to some one who would wonder off and get lost in a swamp in an area he grew up in for the last 83 years .
His dementia worsened and deteriorated in just a few months .
Given my fathers condition , I would not expect him to remember to put on and tolerate wearing an external bracelet .
I 'm sure in his final condition he would have certainly ripped any such thing off and he was strong and healthy enough to do so .
A bracelet is out of the question and impractical .
Battery maintenance is impractical and would require an infrastructure of health workers to track battery usage and replace it .
I do n't believe a bracelet with a constant battery swipe out works .
I do n't trust it .
How close are we to implantable GPS/cellular devices with multi year battery life ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My father suffering from dementia wondered off into a swamp only 600 meters from his home where he passed away from hypothermia.
There is a "powered" version of RFID available from a program called http://www.projectlifesaver.ca/ [projectlifesaver.ca] which has been successful in locating missing alzheimer patients in under 20 min.
The may hurdle to it's adaptation in the area where my father lived, Picton Ontario Canada, was the cost and logistics of battery replacement in the powered RFID bracelets.
There is always a gap between the onset of dementia in an elderly person to a point where the doctor, health care workers and family commit to placement of their loved one in a wandering patient locked ward.
The specter of splitting up an elderly couple where one person was begging to show signs of dementia caused every one in our case to delay committing my Father to a locked ward.
At the time I had no idea how rapidly dementia could deteriorate.
My father whent from a functional member of society, an avid multi km daily trail walker, to some one who would wonder off and get lost in a swamp in an area he grew up in for the last 83 years.
His dementia worsened and deteriorated in just a few months.
Given my fathers condition, I would not expect him to remember to put on and tolerate wearing an external  bracelet.
I'm sure in his final condition he would have certainly ripped any such thing off and he was strong and healthy enough to do so.
A bracelet is out of the question and impractical.
Battery maintenance is impractical and would require an infrastructure of health workers to track battery usage and replace it.
I don't believe a bracelet with a constant battery swipe out works.
I don't trust it.
How close are we to implantable GPS/cellular devices with multi year battery life?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29974548</id>
	<title>Are they</title>
	<author>Sylos</author>
	<datestamp>1257277500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>that accurate?  I mean, I know my animals rarely move over a long distance...often within the error range of GPS...</htmltext>
<tokenext>that accurate ?
I mean , I know my animals rarely move over a long distance...often within the error range of GPS.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that accurate?
I mean, I know my animals rarely move over a long distance...often within the error range of GPS...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29977218</id>
	<title>Re:Get a leash!</title>
	<author>Spazztastic</author>
	<datestamp>1257000420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>You don't have to poop-and-scoop, just get a litter box.</p></div><p>Evil is an individual and can handle her own shit. She never comes inside, though, because I am allergic to cats.</p></div><p>You hit it on the head. I also wouldn't be opposed to putting a GPS tracker on my cat, Mischief. He's been living outdoors at my Dad's house for almost 10 years now. I wouldn't put it on him to track him down, I'd put it on him because I'm curious where he goes in our neighborhood. Does he go past our block? Does he cross the busy road nearby? Does he go into the park near my house? Or does he just hang out on our property sunning and looking for attention from the neighborhood? Probably the attention part.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't have to poop-and-scoop , just get a litter box.Evil is an individual and can handle her own shit .
She never comes inside , though , because I am allergic to cats.You hit it on the head .
I also would n't be opposed to putting a GPS tracker on my cat , Mischief .
He 's been living outdoors at my Dad 's house for almost 10 years now .
I would n't put it on him to track him down , I 'd put it on him because I 'm curious where he goes in our neighborhood .
Does he go past our block ?
Does he cross the busy road nearby ?
Does he go into the park near my house ?
Or does he just hang out on our property sunning and looking for attention from the neighborhood ?
Probably the attention part .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't have to poop-and-scoop, just get a litter box.Evil is an individual and can handle her own shit.
She never comes inside, though, because I am allergic to cats.You hit it on the head.
I also wouldn't be opposed to putting a GPS tracker on my cat, Mischief.
He's been living outdoors at my Dad's house for almost 10 years now.
I wouldn't put it on him to track him down, I'd put it on him because I'm curious where he goes in our neighborhood.
Does he go past our block?
Does he cross the busy road nearby?
Does he go into the park near my house?
Or does he just hang out on our property sunning and looking for attention from the neighborhood?
Probably the attention part.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29979540</id>
	<title>Re:Get a leash!</title>
	<author>DarthVain</author>
	<datestamp>1257009000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would agree with all of what you said.</p><p>I tried it. Leash + cat = bad idea. Under supervision is not bad, so your cat doesn't choke. Mostly they will just get tangled up in the line anyway and go nuts.</p><p>Also something you didn't mention, if a Cat or Dog get into a fight, and the outlook doesn't look so good, they always have to option of running away. If I am away at work, and kitty is on a leash and a dog gets into the back yard, then that is one dead cat. It can't run away, or run up a tree or whatever.</p><p>Second, which is the real reason why my cat is an indoor cat again (she was an indoor cat, and when I bought a house, I decided I wanted to give her some freedom, so started letting her out for about a year), is the fleas. Because of all the feral and stray cats in the area, she got a major infestation of fleas. It was horrible. It took nearly a year of collars, sprays, baths, cleaning, etc... before the problem was solved. In that time my cat lost most of her fur (long hair) to scratching, and both her and I were miserable. I vowed that she remain an indoor kitty from now on. If I lived someplace a little more rural, it might be a bit different, but where I am not there are too many beasties walking around with other beastie onboard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would agree with all of what you said.I tried it .
Leash + cat = bad idea .
Under supervision is not bad , so your cat does n't choke .
Mostly they will just get tangled up in the line anyway and go nuts.Also something you did n't mention , if a Cat or Dog get into a fight , and the outlook does n't look so good , they always have to option of running away .
If I am away at work , and kitty is on a leash and a dog gets into the back yard , then that is one dead cat .
It ca n't run away , or run up a tree or whatever.Second , which is the real reason why my cat is an indoor cat again ( she was an indoor cat , and when I bought a house , I decided I wanted to give her some freedom , so started letting her out for about a year ) , is the fleas .
Because of all the feral and stray cats in the area , she got a major infestation of fleas .
It was horrible .
It took nearly a year of collars , sprays , baths , cleaning , etc... before the problem was solved .
In that time my cat lost most of her fur ( long hair ) to scratching , and both her and I were miserable .
I vowed that she remain an indoor kitty from now on .
If I lived someplace a little more rural , it might be a bit different , but where I am not there are too many beasties walking around with other beastie onboard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would agree with all of what you said.I tried it.
Leash + cat = bad idea.
Under supervision is not bad, so your cat doesn't choke.
Mostly they will just get tangled up in the line anyway and go nuts.Also something you didn't mention, if a Cat or Dog get into a fight, and the outlook doesn't look so good, they always have to option of running away.
If I am away at work, and kitty is on a leash and a dog gets into the back yard, then that is one dead cat.
It can't run away, or run up a tree or whatever.Second, which is the real reason why my cat is an indoor cat again (she was an indoor cat, and when I bought a house, I decided I wanted to give her some freedom, so started letting her out for about a year), is the fleas.
Because of all the feral and stray cats in the area, she got a major infestation of fleas.
It was horrible.
It took nearly a year of collars, sprays, baths, cleaning, etc... before the problem was solved.
In that time my cat lost most of her fur (long hair) to scratching, and both her and I were miserable.
I vowed that she remain an indoor kitty from now on.
If I lived someplace a little more rural, it might be a bit different, but where I am not there are too many beasties walking around with other beastie onboard.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29980860</id>
	<title>master of none</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257013080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>you are all very lovely geeks, and the wealth of knowledge I glean from this site is invaluable...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...but, it is surprising and sad to see inane debates about things that are widely misunderstood.</p><p>tracking collars are for hunting dogs primarily. to that end they are one of the best tools to come along in a long time for animal safety.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you are all very lovely geeks , and the wealth of knowledge I glean from this site is invaluable... ...but , it is surprising and sad to see inane debates about things that are widely misunderstood.tracking collars are for hunting dogs primarily .
to that end they are one of the best tools to come along in a long time for animal safety .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you are all very lovely geeks, and the wealth of knowledge I glean from this site is invaluable... ...but, it is surprising and sad to see inane debates about things that are widely misunderstood.tracking collars are for hunting dogs primarily.
to that end they are one of the best tools to come along in a long time for animal safety.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29997544</id>
	<title>Re:Get a leash!</title>
	<author>Ol Olsoc</author>
	<datestamp>1257449880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Don't tell ME how I should care for my pet. One cat wanders outside every day, the other cat lolls indoors all day. Don't lecture me on what's humane.</p></div><p>Michael Vick used that defense in his dogfighting trial.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't tell ME how I should care for my pet .
One cat wanders outside every day , the other cat lolls indoors all day .
Do n't lecture me on what 's humane.Michael Vick used that defense in his dogfighting trial .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't tell ME how I should care for my pet.
One cat wanders outside every day, the other cat lolls indoors all day.
Don't lecture me on what's humane.Michael Vick used that defense in his dogfighting trial.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29977436</id>
	<title>Re:Get a leash!</title>
	<author>bware</author>
	<datestamp>1257001320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd like to find the owner of the cat that did a couple thousand dollars worth of damage to the paint job on my car and have them tell me how they <i>have</i> to let their cat out otherwise it would destroy their furniture.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd like to find the owner of the cat that did a couple thousand dollars worth of damage to the paint job on my car and have them tell me how they have to let their cat out otherwise it would destroy their furniture .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd like to find the owner of the cat that did a couple thousand dollars worth of damage to the paint job on my car and have them tell me how they have to let their cat out otherwise it would destroy their furniture.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29978388</id>
	<title>Smash-n-Grab</title>
	<author>proarchist</author>
	<datestamp>1257005280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Gives a new meaning to Smash-n-Grab</p><p>It's not like pets have a big glove compartment to shove the GPS into so that it is out of sight of thieves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Gives a new meaning to Smash-n-GrabIt 's not like pets have a big glove compartment to shove the GPS into so that it is out of sight of thieves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gives a new meaning to Smash-n-GrabIt's not like pets have a big glove compartment to shove the GPS into so that it is out of sight of thieves.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29978564</id>
	<title>Pregnancy lawsuits?</title>
	<author>minstrelmike</author>
	<datestamp>1257005940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I could just see the pet owners in an upscale gated community going after each other's GPS records to find who did the dirty deed to Fluffy and will now inherit the 5 kittens. That's silly, but what if your dog snuck into a kennel of show dogs and they could now prove it with electronic records? <br>Juries \_know\_ those things are always accurate no matter what.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I could just see the pet owners in an upscale gated community going after each other 's GPS records to find who did the dirty deed to Fluffy and will now inherit the 5 kittens .
That 's silly , but what if your dog snuck into a kennel of show dogs and they could now prove it with electronic records ?
Juries \ _know \ _ those things are always accurate no matter what .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I could just see the pet owners in an upscale gated community going after each other's GPS records to find who did the dirty deed to Fluffy and will now inherit the 5 kittens.
That's silly, but what if your dog snuck into a kennel of show dogs and they could now prove it with electronic records?
Juries \_know\_ those things are always accurate no matter what.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29977800</id>
	<title>Re:Get a leash!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257003000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's bullshit.  Have them declawed if they're tearing up the furniture.  You are the smart one, and you are the homeowner.  Don't get mad at me if I put out a bowl of poisoned milk for your cat in my flower garden that it keeps using as a litter box, or if I shoot it in the ass with a blow gun for howling outside my window at 2am...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's bullshit .
Have them declawed if they 're tearing up the furniture .
You are the smart one , and you are the homeowner .
Do n't get mad at me if I put out a bowl of poisoned milk for your cat in my flower garden that it keeps using as a litter box , or if I shoot it in the ass with a blow gun for howling outside my window at 2am.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's bullshit.
Have them declawed if they're tearing up the furniture.
You are the smart one, and you are the homeowner.
Don't get mad at me if I put out a bowl of poisoned milk for your cat in my flower garden that it keeps using as a litter box, or if I shoot it in the ass with a blow gun for howling outside my window at 2am...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29976410</id>
	<title>Re:Get a leash!</title>
	<author>stompertje</author>
	<datestamp>1256994000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Cats can be kept in house perfectly well. I live in a smallish apartment and our cat is used to living indoors. She can wander around on our small balcony if the weather permits (and she loves it), but living indoors is not a problem at all. Large dogs, on the other hand, will probably go crazy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Cats can be kept in house perfectly well .
I live in a smallish apartment and our cat is used to living indoors .
She can wander around on our small balcony if the weather permits ( and she loves it ) , but living indoors is not a problem at all .
Large dogs , on the other hand , will probably go crazy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cats can be kept in house perfectly well.
I live in a smallish apartment and our cat is used to living indoors.
She can wander around on our small balcony if the weather permits (and she loves it), but living indoors is not a problem at all.
Large dogs, on the other hand, will probably go crazy.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29977490</id>
	<title>Difficulty recharging</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257001560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The tricky bit is getting the pet to stay on the charger for 10 hours each night.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The tricky bit is getting the pet to stay on the charger for 10 hours each night .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The tricky bit is getting the pet to stay on the charger for 10 hours each night.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29988046</id>
	<title>Re:Get a leash!</title>
	<author>Chris Burke</author>
	<datestamp>1256992680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I'm not a pet owner, but I thought cats were \_supposed\_ to be let out on their own (at least that's what cat owners tell me), because otherwise they go crazy and tear up furniture or start eating the children...</i></p><p>Naw that's crap.  Many cats are solely indoor cats and they're just fine.  They tear up furniture because they have a scratching instinct which they aren't able to satisfy on trees if they're indoors, and their owners probably didn't give them anything appropriate for scratching.  My cat was an outdoor cat and is now indoor, and he doesn't scratch my furniture, just his scratching mat.  A post didn't work, but a mat with catnip in it did the trick.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>Or maybe their cats are going crazy because the children are tormenting it.  Kids can be mean.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not a pet owner , but I thought cats were \ _supposed \ _ to be let out on their own ( at least that 's what cat owners tell me ) , because otherwise they go crazy and tear up furniture or start eating the children...Naw that 's crap .
Many cats are solely indoor cats and they 're just fine .
They tear up furniture because they have a scratching instinct which they are n't able to satisfy on trees if they 're indoors , and their owners probably did n't give them anything appropriate for scratching .
My cat was an outdoor cat and is now indoor , and he does n't scratch my furniture , just his scratching mat .
A post did n't work , but a mat with catnip in it did the trick .
: ) Or maybe their cats are going crazy because the children are tormenting it .
Kids can be mean .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not a pet owner, but I thought cats were \_supposed\_ to be let out on their own (at least that's what cat owners tell me), because otherwise they go crazy and tear up furniture or start eating the children...Naw that's crap.
Many cats are solely indoor cats and they're just fine.
They tear up furniture because they have a scratching instinct which they aren't able to satisfy on trees if they're indoors, and their owners probably didn't give them anything appropriate for scratching.
My cat was an outdoor cat and is now indoor, and he doesn't scratch my furniture, just his scratching mat.
A post didn't work, but a mat with catnip in it did the trick.
:)Or maybe their cats are going crazy because the children are tormenting it.
Kids can be mean.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29982222</id>
	<title>Re:Get a leash!</title>
	<author>PenisLands</author>
	<datestamp>1257017040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you get your cat neutered, it will be less likely to spray, less likely to fight, and unable to impregnate other cats. No need for a leash.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you get your cat neutered , it will be less likely to spray , less likely to fight , and unable to impregnate other cats .
No need for a leash .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you get your cat neutered, it will be less likely to spray, less likely to fight, and unable to impregnate other cats.
No need for a leash.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29989084</id>
	<title>Re:Get a leash!</title>
	<author>4D6963</author>
	<datestamp>1256997900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>People are going hungry and people want to spend money to save the deer, I just can't fathom it.</i> </p><p>Wait, are you saying there's a meat shortage where you live and that hungry people there want to eat deer meat?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People are going hungry and people want to spend money to save the deer , I just ca n't fathom it .
Wait , are you saying there 's a meat shortage where you live and that hungry people there want to eat deer meat ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> People are going hungry and people want to spend money to save the deer, I just can't fathom it.
Wait, are you saying there's a meat shortage where you live and that hungry people there want to eat deer meat?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29974926</id>
	<title>Re:Get a leash!</title>
	<author>tomhudson</author>
	<datestamp>1257022020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I'm not a pet owner, but I thought cats were \_supposed\_ to be let out on their own (at least that's what cat owners tell me), because otherwise they go crazy and tear up furniture or start eating the children..</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
So instead of tearing up the furniture, they go out and kill birds and squirrels, dig up gardens and shit on your tomatoes, spray cars and motorcycles and front porches (cat spray really stinks, and once they mark a place, they and other cats will keep coming back), spend their nights howling at each other and fighting, and getting pregnant and having more cats that nobody wants.
</p><p>
Both cats and dogs can be handled with a leash. Too many cat owners are too lazy.  They get a cat because, compared to a dog, a cat is a lot less work.  You don't have to walk it several times a day.  You don't have to poop-and-scoop, just get a litter box.  You can ignore it for weeks on end, as long as you put down food and water.
</p><p>
Pets are a responsibility, and they take work.  The GPS is a panacea for people who want to be able to say "I care for my pet" without actually putting out the leg work.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I 'm not a pet owner , but I thought cats were \ _supposed \ _ to be let out on their own ( at least that 's what cat owners tell me ) , because otherwise they go crazy and tear up furniture or start eating the children. . So instead of tearing up the furniture , they go out and kill birds and squirrels , dig up gardens and shit on your tomatoes , spray cars and motorcycles and front porches ( cat spray really stinks , and once they mark a place , they and other cats will keep coming back ) , spend their nights howling at each other and fighting , and getting pregnant and having more cats that nobody wants .
Both cats and dogs can be handled with a leash .
Too many cat owners are too lazy .
They get a cat because , compared to a dog , a cat is a lot less work .
You do n't have to walk it several times a day .
You do n't have to poop-and-scoop , just get a litter box .
You can ignore it for weeks on end , as long as you put down food and water .
Pets are a responsibility , and they take work .
The GPS is a panacea for people who want to be able to say " I care for my pet " without actually putting out the leg work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not a pet owner, but I thought cats were \_supposed\_ to be let out on their own (at least that's what cat owners tell me), because otherwise they go crazy and tear up furniture or start eating the children..

So instead of tearing up the furniture, they go out and kill birds and squirrels, dig up gardens and shit on your tomatoes, spray cars and motorcycles and front porches (cat spray really stinks, and once they mark a place, they and other cats will keep coming back), spend their nights howling at each other and fighting, and getting pregnant and having more cats that nobody wants.
Both cats and dogs can be handled with a leash.
Too many cat owners are too lazy.
They get a cat because, compared to a dog, a cat is a lot less work.
You don't have to walk it several times a day.
You don't have to poop-and-scoop, just get a litter box.
You can ignore it for weeks on end, as long as you put down food and water.
Pets are a responsibility, and they take work.
The GPS is a panacea for people who want to be able to say "I care for my pet" without actually putting out the leg work.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29975126</id>
	<title>Re:Get a leash!</title>
	<author>initialE</author>
	<datestamp>1256980920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No cat in the world can be kept on a leash. You don't keep them, they keep you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No cat in the world can be kept on a leash .
You do n't keep them , they keep you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No cat in the world can be kept on a leash.
You don't keep them, they keep you.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29974684</id>
	<title>Re:Are they</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257019500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't think that pet rocks are really the target market.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think that pet rocks are really the target market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think that pet rocks are really the target market.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1659215.29977200</id>
	<title>My dog GPS is a leash</title>
	<author>Stan92057</author>
	<datestamp>1257000300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>My dog GPS is a leash<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>My dog GPS is a leash : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My dog GPS is a leash :)</sentencetext>
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