<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_01_2145208</id>
	<title>Computer Activities for Those With Speech and Language Difficulties?</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1257073320000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"My girlfriend is training to be a speech and language therapist here in the UK (speech pathologist in the US). A number of clients are guys who enjoy playing computer games, and for a variety of reasons some have no incentive to try and improve their speech. The issue is, this can obviously inhibit options for jobs and/or other aspects of life.  I was trying to think of fun computer-based activities for those with speech and language difficulties that encourage individuals to speak, and furthermore to speak with greater clarity. Or games/activities that might encourage them to do more speech work. The first options that sprang to mind were the online games with team-speak / team-talk for those with mild difficulties. The sampling / accent issue might force them to speak with greater clarity or wish to have that ability. Obviously, they can just type. Any thoughts?"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " My girlfriend is training to be a speech and language therapist here in the UK ( speech pathologist in the US ) .
A number of clients are guys who enjoy playing computer games , and for a variety of reasons some have no incentive to try and improve their speech .
The issue is , this can obviously inhibit options for jobs and/or other aspects of life .
I was trying to think of fun computer-based activities for those with speech and language difficulties that encourage individuals to speak , and furthermore to speak with greater clarity .
Or games/activities that might encourage them to do more speech work .
The first options that sprang to mind were the online games with team-speak / team-talk for those with mild difficulties .
The sampling / accent issue might force them to speak with greater clarity or wish to have that ability .
Obviously , they can just type .
Any thoughts ?
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<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "My girlfriend is training to be a speech and language therapist here in the UK (speech pathologist in the US).
A number of clients are guys who enjoy playing computer games, and for a variety of reasons some have no incentive to try and improve their speech.
The issue is, this can obviously inhibit options for jobs and/or other aspects of life.
I was trying to think of fun computer-based activities for those with speech and language difficulties that encourage individuals to speak, and furthermore to speak with greater clarity.
Or games/activities that might encourage them to do more speech work.
The first options that sprang to mind were the online games with team-speak / team-talk for those with mild difficulties.
The sampling / accent issue might force them to speak with greater clarity or wish to have that ability.
Obviously, they can just type.
Any thoughts?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29946542</id>
	<title>Re:Not to hijack, but I need something for a kid,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257089160000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Check out Kanji Crammer at:<br>http://www.crammersoft.org/kanjicrammer.html</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Check out Kanji Crammer at : http : //www.crammersoft.org/kanjicrammer.html</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Check out Kanji Crammer at:http://www.crammersoft.org/kanjicrammer.html</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29945646</id>
	<title>Nonhuman listeners might not be the best route...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257080880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Disclaimer: I know nothing of artificial voice recognition.</p><p>If the voice-recognition software erroneously recognizes incorrect pronounciation/inflection/etc as correct, you might end up just training these people to produce speech that satisfies the internal rules used by the recognition software - which may differ from speech we'd classify as more normal. In a more machine-learning sense, the error surfaces between the software and human speech recognition share a minimum (normal human speech) - but, the software may have other minima into which the speech-impaired folks may inadvertently fall.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Disclaimer : I know nothing of artificial voice recognition.If the voice-recognition software erroneously recognizes incorrect pronounciation/inflection/etc as correct , you might end up just training these people to produce speech that satisfies the internal rules used by the recognition software - which may differ from speech we 'd classify as more normal .
In a more machine-learning sense , the error surfaces between the software and human speech recognition share a minimum ( normal human speech ) - but , the software may have other minima into which the speech-impaired folks may inadvertently fall .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Disclaimer: I know nothing of artificial voice recognition.If the voice-recognition software erroneously recognizes incorrect pronounciation/inflection/etc as correct, you might end up just training these people to produce speech that satisfies the internal rules used by the recognition software - which may differ from speech we'd classify as more normal.
In a more machine-learning sense, the error surfaces between the software and human speech recognition share a minimum (normal human speech) - but, the software may have other minima into which the speech-impaired folks may inadvertently fall.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29945674</id>
	<title>only slightly OT</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257081180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whoever decided that they should be called 'speech pathologists' didn't really think of the patients.  'Speech pathologist' actually quite a difficult thing to say.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whoever decided that they should be called 'speech pathologists ' did n't really think of the patients .
'Speech pathologist ' actually quite a difficult thing to say .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whoever decided that they should be called 'speech pathologists' didn't really think of the patients.
'Speech pathologist' actually quite a difficult thing to say.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29948238</id>
	<title>Difficult functionality, research is catching up</title>
	<author>hepaminondas</author>
	<datestamp>1257195540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Correcting a human's articulations is a really tough task for a machine.<br>Interesting research on the topic has already been made, and the most interesting that I've seen lately is coming from KTH, in Sweden. </p><p>ARTUR - the ARticulation TUtoR<br><a href="http://www.speech.kth.se/multimodal/ARTUR/" title="speech.kth.se" rel="nofollow">http://www.speech.kth.se/multimodal/ARTUR/</a> [speech.kth.se]</p><p>I guess you could ask them about the availabitilty of their software, but you would need a lot of work to customize it for each of the participants.<br>Or they could maybe give you an alternative....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Correcting a human 's articulations is a really tough task for a machine.Interesting research on the topic has already been made , and the most interesting that I 've seen lately is coming from KTH , in Sweden .
ARTUR - the ARticulation TUtoRhttp : //www.speech.kth.se/multimodal/ARTUR/ [ speech.kth.se ] I guess you could ask them about the availabitilty of their software , but you would need a lot of work to customize it for each of the participants.Or they could maybe give you an alternative... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Correcting a human's articulations is a really tough task for a machine.Interesting research on the topic has already been made, and the most interesting that I've seen lately is coming from KTH, in Sweden.
ARTUR - the ARticulation TUtoRhttp://www.speech.kth.se/multimodal/ARTUR/ [speech.kth.se]I guess you could ask them about the availabitilty of their software, but you would need a lot of work to customize it for each of the participants.Or they could maybe give you an alternative....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29946086</id>
	<title>Re:When I have to phone a robot</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257085260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yo, mod this up - the only thing with the slightest bit of insight in this entire thread was here.</p><p>If you think you can teach received pronounciation or even "proper speech" by aversion? Think again, and be ready to suffer a lot for the pointless suffering you'll cause on your "pupils".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yo , mod this up - the only thing with the slightest bit of insight in this entire thread was here.If you think you can teach received pronounciation or even " proper speech " by aversion ?
Think again , and be ready to suffer a lot for the pointless suffering you 'll cause on your " pupils " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yo, mod this up - the only thing with the slightest bit of insight in this entire thread was here.If you think you can teach received pronounciation or even "proper speech" by aversion?
Think again, and be ready to suffer a lot for the pointless suffering you'll cause on your "pupils".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29946578</id>
	<title>Games that are good for talking...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257089460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Off the top of my head the best game I know of that encourages voice chat and has built in chat is Dungeons and Dragons online.</p><p>You can play it for free, it has built in chat, and its not so intense so people seem to be more friendly than they can be in other games.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Off the top of my head the best game I know of that encourages voice chat and has built in chat is Dungeons and Dragons online.You can play it for free , it has built in chat , and its not so intense so people seem to be more friendly than they can be in other games .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Off the top of my head the best game I know of that encourages voice chat and has built in chat is Dungeons and Dragons online.You can play it for free, it has built in chat, and its not so intense so people seem to be more friendly than they can be in other games.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29945382</id>
	<title>Why a client with no incentive?</title>
	<author>codeAlDente</author>
	<datestamp>1257078420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If they have no incentive to improve their speech, why are they clients of a speech pathologist? Whose money is being wasted? The person paying the pathologist should limit their computer use, and maybe talk to them more often.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If they have no incentive to improve their speech , why are they clients of a speech pathologist ?
Whose money is being wasted ?
The person paying the pathologist should limit their computer use , and maybe talk to them more often .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they have no incentive to improve their speech, why are they clients of a speech pathologist?
Whose money is being wasted?
The person paying the pathologist should limit their computer use, and maybe talk to them more often.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29946120</id>
	<title>Re:When I have to phone a robot</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257085440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have the same problem when I call cell phone companies and I have no speech problems.  I've found the easiest way to deal with them is to scream obscenities until it says let me get you to someone. Then I scream at them for a few minutes about their retarded phone system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have the same problem when I call cell phone companies and I have no speech problems .
I 've found the easiest way to deal with them is to scream obscenities until it says let me get you to someone .
Then I scream at them for a few minutes about their retarded phone system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have the same problem when I call cell phone companies and I have no speech problems.
I've found the easiest way to deal with them is to scream obscenities until it says let me get you to someone.
Then I scream at them for a few minutes about their retarded phone system.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29949404</id>
	<title>Re:It all depends</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257171720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My mother is a speech therapist in a Midwest American elementary school.  During the summer she runs a program that primarily employs software called Fast Forward.  As she has previously explained it to me, kids with speaking problems frequently have speech comprehension problems.  The ability to differentiate between different sounds is a critical skill in proper pronunciation.  Basically the kids play listening games for half a day for several weeks and show measurable progress over that time.  I know this website is pretty open source oriented, but the program is not.  Good luck.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My mother is a speech therapist in a Midwest American elementary school .
During the summer she runs a program that primarily employs software called Fast Forward .
As she has previously explained it to me , kids with speaking problems frequently have speech comprehension problems .
The ability to differentiate between different sounds is a critical skill in proper pronunciation .
Basically the kids play listening games for half a day for several weeks and show measurable progress over that time .
I know this website is pretty open source oriented , but the program is not .
Good luck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My mother is a speech therapist in a Midwest American elementary school.
During the summer she runs a program that primarily employs software called Fast Forward.
As she has previously explained it to me, kids with speaking problems frequently have speech comprehension problems.
The ability to differentiate between different sounds is a critical skill in proper pronunciation.
Basically the kids play listening games for half a day for several weeks and show measurable progress over that time.
I know this website is pretty open source oriented, but the program is not.
Good luck.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29945940</id>
	<title>Spectral Analysis</title>
	<author>arb phd slp</author>
	<datestamp>1257083940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not a "game" per se, but it might be interesting to the client to see a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectrogram" title="wikipedia.org">spectrogram</a> [wikipedia.org] of their actual speech. Then they could try to match the pattern to a model spectrogram of the therapist's speech.</p><p>Then you could make funny fart noises and see what those look like.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not a " game " per se , but it might be interesting to the client to see a spectrogram [ wikipedia.org ] of their actual speech .
Then they could try to match the pattern to a model spectrogram of the therapist 's speech.Then you could make funny fart noises and see what those look like .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not a "game" per se, but it might be interesting to the client to see a spectrogram [wikipedia.org] of their actual speech.
Then they could try to match the pattern to a model spectrogram of the therapist's speech.Then you could make funny fart noises and see what those look like.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29945752</id>
	<title>Re:It all depends</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257082080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Try a palatometer...<br>
&nbsp; <a href="http://www.completespeech.com/Palatometry/Demonstration.aspx" title="completespeech.com" rel="nofollow">completespeech.com</a> [completespeech.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Try a palatometer.. .   completespeech.com [ completespeech.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try a palatometer...
  completespeech.com [completespeech.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29949790</id>
	<title>Re:Endwar</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1257174900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or they could try Caution Seaman for the Dreamcast.  If you say it incorrectly, he *will* correct you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or they could try Caution Seaman for the Dreamcast .
If you say it incorrectly , he * will * correct you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or they could try Caution Seaman for the Dreamcast.
If you say it incorrectly, he *will* correct you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29946110</id>
	<title>English or American?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257085380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Note that the poster was in the UK - so does the speech recognition understand English or just American? I remember an incredibly frustrating phonecall using the United Airlines speech "recognition" system they used a while ago to give out flight times. Being British the damn thing completely failed to understand what I was saying until I guessed that it wanted a US accent. Amazingly my fake American accent was enough to get some comprehension from the system. So, unless whatever speech recognition you use is designed for British accents and language, all you may end up doing is exchanging one speech impediment for another!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Note that the poster was in the UK - so does the speech recognition understand English or just American ?
I remember an incredibly frustrating phonecall using the United Airlines speech " recognition " system they used a while ago to give out flight times .
Being British the damn thing completely failed to understand what I was saying until I guessed that it wanted a US accent .
Amazingly my fake American accent was enough to get some comprehension from the system .
So , unless whatever speech recognition you use is designed for British accents and language , all you may end up doing is exchanging one speech impediment for another !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Note that the poster was in the UK - so does the speech recognition understand English or just American?
I remember an incredibly frustrating phonecall using the United Airlines speech "recognition" system they used a while ago to give out flight times.
Being British the damn thing completely failed to understand what I was saying until I guessed that it wanted a US accent.
Amazingly my fake American accent was enough to get some comprehension from the system.
So, unless whatever speech recognition you use is designed for British accents and language, all you may end up doing is exchanging one speech impediment for another!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29945284</id>
	<title>GTA: Fair Lady City</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257077520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The rain in Spain stays mainly on the plain except when beating hookers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The rain in Spain stays mainly on the plain except when beating hookers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The rain in Spain stays mainly on the plain except when beating hookers.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29951478</id>
	<title>Re:When I have to phone a robot</title>
	<author>Inda</author>
	<datestamp>1257183480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And I put on my polite telephone voice when speaking to those things.<br><br>POS: Do you have a repayment or interest mortgage?<br><br>ME: I have a repayment.<br><br>POS: Sorry, please answer "repayment" or "interest"<br><br>ME: RE-PAY-MENT<br><br>POS: Would you like to speak to an advisor?<br><br>ME: Yes please.<br><br>POS: Sorry, please answer "yes" or "no"<br><br>ME: Fucking do one.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And I put on my polite telephone voice when speaking to those things.POS : Do you have a repayment or interest mortgage ? ME : I have a repayment.POS : Sorry , please answer " repayment " or " interest " ME : RE-PAY-MENTPOS : Would you like to speak to an advisor ? ME : Yes please.POS : Sorry , please answer " yes " or " no " ME : Fucking do one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And I put on my polite telephone voice when speaking to those things.POS: Do you have a repayment or interest mortgage?ME: I have a repayment.POS: Sorry, please answer "repayment" or "interest"ME: RE-PAY-MENTPOS: Would you like to speak to an advisor?ME: Yes please.POS: Sorry, please answer "yes" or "no"ME: Fucking do one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29957592</id>
	<title>Re:Improving Speech May Not be the Answer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257169320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Im the OP<br>Many thanks to all who replied with thoughts, ideas and offers of discussion/further options (leetrout).</p><p>I hope it goes without saying. Neither my GF nor I are in no way financially benefiting from this feedback.  My GF does not work/train in private practice; it&rsquo;s the national health system. Also my GF is training to do this - its not for a class project<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) - and its off my own back I said to her I would ask the Slashdot community for its thoughts given a selection of her clients were guys who enjoyed IT.<br>
&nbsp; She had not discussed any cases with me given it would be completely unethical in answer to codermotor's valid point that this was a vague fix for a complex problem. There is no particular single client issue in mind here. I should have clarified that.<br>Also the levels of speech impairment that she deals with are moderate to severe. Though I believe a number of clients can have moderate or severe issues and the additional burden of having the milder issues of stutters or lisps.</p><p>
&nbsp; Furthermore when I said some have no incentive to try and improve their speech, what I meant was that some have the financial means to severely limit their need to use speech in dealing with the world at large. It does not mean they are rich, just sufficiently well off not to have to deal with the outside world using speech all that often.  In some instances i believe this is a by product of "my speech is not that great and no one really understands me so Im not going to bother dealing with folks using speech whenever possible."  And these folks can exist albeit, what might be considered by some, in a somewhat limited form in relation to their potential.</p><p>That is my fault for not being clearer. A by product from writing/posting at 1 am.</p><p>What I had hoped to do was possibly provide my GF with some new options/angles to complement her existing/future training, knowledge of products, processes and ideas when dealing with clients who enjoy IT and possible those who may not have considered what it can facilitate.  I was also hoping to get input from those who have possibly been through similar problems given Slashdot is an IT oriented community.<br>Hope that all made sense.</p><p>This is my first post/ask in reading Slashdot since the end of 97.  you would have thought i would have had enough savvy to know i had to be crystal clear in my post/spec functional or otherwise<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>Thanks again<br>I salute you all</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Im the OPMany thanks to all who replied with thoughts , ideas and offers of discussion/further options ( leetrout ) .I hope it goes without saying .
Neither my GF nor I are in no way financially benefiting from this feedback .
My GF does not work/train in private practice ; it    s the national health system .
Also my GF is training to do this - its not for a class project : ) - and its off my own back I said to her I would ask the Slashdot community for its thoughts given a selection of her clients were guys who enjoyed IT .
  She had not discussed any cases with me given it would be completely unethical in answer to codermotor 's valid point that this was a vague fix for a complex problem .
There is no particular single client issue in mind here .
I should have clarified that.Also the levels of speech impairment that she deals with are moderate to severe .
Though I believe a number of clients can have moderate or severe issues and the additional burden of having the milder issues of stutters or lisps .
  Furthermore when I said some have no incentive to try and improve their speech , what I meant was that some have the financial means to severely limit their need to use speech in dealing with the world at large .
It does not mean they are rich , just sufficiently well off not to have to deal with the outside world using speech all that often .
In some instances i believe this is a by product of " my speech is not that great and no one really understands me so Im not going to bother dealing with folks using speech whenever possible .
" And these folks can exist albeit , what might be considered by some , in a somewhat limited form in relation to their potential.That is my fault for not being clearer .
A by product from writing/posting at 1 am.What I had hoped to do was possibly provide my GF with some new options/angles to complement her existing/future training , knowledge of products , processes and ideas when dealing with clients who enjoy IT and possible those who may not have considered what it can facilitate .
I was also hoping to get input from those who have possibly been through similar problems given Slashdot is an IT oriented community.Hope that all made sense.This is my first post/ask in reading Slashdot since the end of 97. you would have thought i would have had enough savvy to know i had to be crystal clear in my post/spec functional or otherwise : ) Thanks againI salute you all</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Im the OPMany thanks to all who replied with thoughts, ideas and offers of discussion/further options (leetrout).I hope it goes without saying.
Neither my GF nor I are in no way financially benefiting from this feedback.
My GF does not work/train in private practice; it’s the national health system.
Also my GF is training to do this - its not for a class project :) - and its off my own back I said to her I would ask the Slashdot community for its thoughts given a selection of her clients were guys who enjoyed IT.
  She had not discussed any cases with me given it would be completely unethical in answer to codermotor's valid point that this was a vague fix for a complex problem.
There is no particular single client issue in mind here.
I should have clarified that.Also the levels of speech impairment that she deals with are moderate to severe.
Though I believe a number of clients can have moderate or severe issues and the additional burden of having the milder issues of stutters or lisps.
  Furthermore when I said some have no incentive to try and improve their speech, what I meant was that some have the financial means to severely limit their need to use speech in dealing with the world at large.
It does not mean they are rich, just sufficiently well off not to have to deal with the outside world using speech all that often.
In some instances i believe this is a by product of "my speech is not that great and no one really understands me so Im not going to bother dealing with folks using speech whenever possible.
"  And these folks can exist albeit, what might be considered by some, in a somewhat limited form in relation to their potential.That is my fault for not being clearer.
A by product from writing/posting at 1 am.What I had hoped to do was possibly provide my GF with some new options/angles to complement her existing/future training, knowledge of products, processes and ideas when dealing with clients who enjoy IT and possible those who may not have considered what it can facilitate.
I was also hoping to get input from those who have possibly been through similar problems given Slashdot is an IT oriented community.Hope that all made sense.This is my first post/ask in reading Slashdot since the end of 97.  you would have thought i would have had enough savvy to know i had to be crystal clear in my post/spec functional or otherwise :)Thanks againI salute you all</sentencetext>
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	<title>flight sim</title>
	<author>i.r.id10t</author>
	<datestamp>1257085320000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Get 'em flight gear, set up a multiplayer env. where they have to do voice communication wtih air traffic control</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Get 'em flight gear , set up a multiplayer env .
where they have to do voice communication wtih air traffic control</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get 'em flight gear, set up a multiplayer env.
where they have to do voice communication wtih air traffic control</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29946974</id>
	<title>Re:It all depends</title>
	<author>Darkness404</author>
	<datestamp>1257093000000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> We've all seen the family out to dinner with mum and dad staring into space and the kids totally absorbed by their Nintendos. The prevalence of modern technology has created massive problems in the development of language skills in kids because it has made it so easy for them to avoid conversation.</p> </div><p>

Or has technology really increased conversation. I mean, due to the internet the average person talks to many more people than ever before. For example, right now I am replying to your post, I might never see you, we might live in different countries, we may have totally different interests and career paths yet we are communicating. 30 years ago that was unheard of. Yet it is something we do on a daily basis.</p><p><div class="quote"><p> I've heard of otherwise normally intelligent teenagers who cannot express frighteningly simple things like "I like the way she looks in that dress" without a lot of effort. They speak like you would expect someone to speak after learning a foreign language for about three weeks - they have to think about the words and the order of the words, and they make stuff up that sounds plausible to cover the fact they know they are getting it wrong.</p> </div><p>

Or you know it could be part of the social awkwardness of teenagers where they don't want to give a huge complement and seem like they are romantically interested with someone yet they don't want to completely ignore it. Or they want to make a joke but don't know how the other person will take it, etc.</p><p><div class="quote"><p> Computer games are part of the problem and I don't think they can be more than a minor part of the solution as theses kids need to learn the visual aspects of communication as well - body language and facial expressions. These people need face to face interaction that involves cooperative problem solving to encourage them to talk.</p> </div><p>

But is our society as a whole shifting towards text based communication? For one its much more private, would you rather sit on a bus next to someone screaming loudly on their BlackBerry or next to someone spending the ride texting? It is also a lot less demanding, when you call someone or arrange to meet someone somewhere they have to stop whatever they are doing and devote a lot more time and energy into quite honestly trivial things. Most people's conversations are not really huge in depth conversations but rather short questions, answers and replies. For example, what can be accomplished in 2-3 messages via texting would take a lot longer if you had to call the person, also, it avoids "phone tag" and other annoyances, if they are eating dinner they can simply text you an hour or two later. Both parties have an absolute guarantee that they got the message exactly as it was given to them. The telephone call and face-to-face meetings are more or less obsolete, especially for the numerous friends people have who aren't the closest people to them but they still wish to communicate with.</p></div>
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<tokenext>We 've all seen the family out to dinner with mum and dad staring into space and the kids totally absorbed by their Nintendos .
The prevalence of modern technology has created massive problems in the development of language skills in kids because it has made it so easy for them to avoid conversation .
Or has technology really increased conversation .
I mean , due to the internet the average person talks to many more people than ever before .
For example , right now I am replying to your post , I might never see you , we might live in different countries , we may have totally different interests and career paths yet we are communicating .
30 years ago that was unheard of .
Yet it is something we do on a daily basis .
I 've heard of otherwise normally intelligent teenagers who can not express frighteningly simple things like " I like the way she looks in that dress " without a lot of effort .
They speak like you would expect someone to speak after learning a foreign language for about three weeks - they have to think about the words and the order of the words , and they make stuff up that sounds plausible to cover the fact they know they are getting it wrong .
Or you know it could be part of the social awkwardness of teenagers where they do n't want to give a huge complement and seem like they are romantically interested with someone yet they do n't want to completely ignore it .
Or they want to make a joke but do n't know how the other person will take it , etc .
Computer games are part of the problem and I do n't think they can be more than a minor part of the solution as theses kids need to learn the visual aspects of communication as well - body language and facial expressions .
These people need face to face interaction that involves cooperative problem solving to encourage them to talk .
But is our society as a whole shifting towards text based communication ?
For one its much more private , would you rather sit on a bus next to someone screaming loudly on their BlackBerry or next to someone spending the ride texting ?
It is also a lot less demanding , when you call someone or arrange to meet someone somewhere they have to stop whatever they are doing and devote a lot more time and energy into quite honestly trivial things .
Most people 's conversations are not really huge in depth conversations but rather short questions , answers and replies .
For example , what can be accomplished in 2-3 messages via texting would take a lot longer if you had to call the person , also , it avoids " phone tag " and other annoyances , if they are eating dinner they can simply text you an hour or two later .
Both parties have an absolute guarantee that they got the message exactly as it was given to them .
The telephone call and face-to-face meetings are more or less obsolete , especially for the numerous friends people have who are n't the closest people to them but they still wish to communicate with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> We've all seen the family out to dinner with mum and dad staring into space and the kids totally absorbed by their Nintendos.
The prevalence of modern technology has created massive problems in the development of language skills in kids because it has made it so easy for them to avoid conversation.
Or has technology really increased conversation.
I mean, due to the internet the average person talks to many more people than ever before.
For example, right now I am replying to your post, I might never see you, we might live in different countries, we may have totally different interests and career paths yet we are communicating.
30 years ago that was unheard of.
Yet it is something we do on a daily basis.
I've heard of otherwise normally intelligent teenagers who cannot express frighteningly simple things like "I like the way she looks in that dress" without a lot of effort.
They speak like you would expect someone to speak after learning a foreign language for about three weeks - they have to think about the words and the order of the words, and they make stuff up that sounds plausible to cover the fact they know they are getting it wrong.
Or you know it could be part of the social awkwardness of teenagers where they don't want to give a huge complement and seem like they are romantically interested with someone yet they don't want to completely ignore it.
Or they want to make a joke but don't know how the other person will take it, etc.
Computer games are part of the problem and I don't think they can be more than a minor part of the solution as theses kids need to learn the visual aspects of communication as well - body language and facial expressions.
These people need face to face interaction that involves cooperative problem solving to encourage them to talk.
But is our society as a whole shifting towards text based communication?
For one its much more private, would you rather sit on a bus next to someone screaming loudly on their BlackBerry or next to someone spending the ride texting?
It is also a lot less demanding, when you call someone or arrange to meet someone somewhere they have to stop whatever they are doing and devote a lot more time and energy into quite honestly trivial things.
Most people's conversations are not really huge in depth conversations but rather short questions, answers and replies.
For example, what can be accomplished in 2-3 messages via texting would take a lot longer if you had to call the person, also, it avoids "phone tag" and other annoyances, if they are eating dinner they can simply text you an hour or two later.
Both parties have an absolute guarantee that they got the message exactly as it was given to them.
The telephone call and face-to-face meetings are more or less obsolete, especially for the numerous friends people have who aren't the closest people to them but they still wish to communicate with.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29947730</id>
	<title>Re:Girls.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257101100000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><i>A passle of good looking girls, a few beers, and these guys will have lots of incentive to hone their language skills.</i></p><p>That didn't work for the slashdot crowd. Plenty of incentive and generally we still only speak geek and get shy around women<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p><p><i>It's like the old story of the kid who grew to be twelve years old without ever uttering a word.....Tommy looks at her and says "Until now everything was OK."</i></p><p>That story is pure fiction. If kids know one thing innately it's how to complain. Some babies are more placid, I'll grant you but babies get sick and babies get fussy. There is no way you're going to make the perfect meal for 12 years running.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A passle of good looking girls , a few beers , and these guys will have lots of incentive to hone their language skills.That did n't work for the slashdot crowd .
Plenty of incentive and generally we still only speak geek and get shy around women ; - ) It 's like the old story of the kid who grew to be twelve years old without ever uttering a word.....Tommy looks at her and says " Until now everything was OK. " That story is pure fiction .
If kids know one thing innately it 's how to complain .
Some babies are more placid , I 'll grant you but babies get sick and babies get fussy .
There is no way you 're going to make the perfect meal for 12 years running .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A passle of good looking girls, a few beers, and these guys will have lots of incentive to hone their language skills.That didn't work for the slashdot crowd.
Plenty of incentive and generally we still only speak geek and get shy around women ;-)It's like the old story of the kid who grew to be twelve years old without ever uttering a word.....Tommy looks at her and says "Until now everything was OK."That story is pure fiction.
If kids know one thing innately it's how to complain.
Some babies are more placid, I'll grant you but babies get sick and babies get fussy.
There is no way you're going to make the perfect meal for 12 years running.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29945742</id>
	<title>Old school but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257081960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>What about a MUD?  For the uninitiated, it's a text-based multiplayer online RPG.  There are hundreds to choose from, themed from Star Wars to Discworld to Pokemon, so hopefully there would be one that they'd be interested in.  Clients and games are (almost all) free, so it's a good option for a low budget too.</p><p>It's text-based, sure, but you can't type the usual gibberish you would in an FPS chat for example.  You have to write fully formed sentences, and generally as you get better at playing, your sentences become more fluent and detailed (especially in an RP MUD).  I would say improved reading and writing would carry over to speech, but I'm not a therapist, so I couldn't say for sure.</p><p>My other thought would be, if there are a lot of these guys, why not set up a tournament in something like TF2?  You might be able to disable text, but even if you can't it would still help.  If there are only people with similar problems playing, then it should reduce nervousness about talking to each other, and playing a team game like that means that coordinating your actions and clearly describing situations and locations on the map to each other gives you a huge advantage over the other team.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What about a MUD ?
For the uninitiated , it 's a text-based multiplayer online RPG .
There are hundreds to choose from , themed from Star Wars to Discworld to Pokemon , so hopefully there would be one that they 'd be interested in .
Clients and games are ( almost all ) free , so it 's a good option for a low budget too.It 's text-based , sure , but you ca n't type the usual gibberish you would in an FPS chat for example .
You have to write fully formed sentences , and generally as you get better at playing , your sentences become more fluent and detailed ( especially in an RP MUD ) .
I would say improved reading and writing would carry over to speech , but I 'm not a therapist , so I could n't say for sure.My other thought would be , if there are a lot of these guys , why not set up a tournament in something like TF2 ?
You might be able to disable text , but even if you ca n't it would still help .
If there are only people with similar problems playing , then it should reduce nervousness about talking to each other , and playing a team game like that means that coordinating your actions and clearly describing situations and locations on the map to each other gives you a huge advantage over the other team .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about a MUD?
For the uninitiated, it's a text-based multiplayer online RPG.
There are hundreds to choose from, themed from Star Wars to Discworld to Pokemon, so hopefully there would be one that they'd be interested in.
Clients and games are (almost all) free, so it's a good option for a low budget too.It's text-based, sure, but you can't type the usual gibberish you would in an FPS chat for example.
You have to write fully formed sentences, and generally as you get better at playing, your sentences become more fluent and detailed (especially in an RP MUD).
I would say improved reading and writing would carry over to speech, but I'm not a therapist, so I couldn't say for sure.My other thought would be, if there are a lot of these guys, why not set up a tournament in something like TF2?
You might be able to disable text, but even if you can't it would still help.
If there are only people with similar problems playing, then it should reduce nervousness about talking to each other, and playing a team game like that means that coordinating your actions and clearly describing situations and locations on the map to each other gives you a huge advantage over the other team.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29945260</id>
	<title>It all depends</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257077340000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>How significant a speech impairment are you talking about?</p><p>If it is only a speech issue (like a lisp) and they don't value the therapy, then I'm not sure what to say. I know a guy here who has quirky speech, but he's doing fine as an engineering student at a major university.</p><p>The reason we target speech in kids so heavily is that speech issues may (although not always) be a symptom of an underlying language problem that interferes with many other aspects of language. It's not just making kids talk better; it's more about giving kids who need it a redundant channel to learn phonology, morphology, and syntax.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How significant a speech impairment are you talking about ? If it is only a speech issue ( like a lisp ) and they do n't value the therapy , then I 'm not sure what to say .
I know a guy here who has quirky speech , but he 's doing fine as an engineering student at a major university.The reason we target speech in kids so heavily is that speech issues may ( although not always ) be a symptom of an underlying language problem that interferes with many other aspects of language .
It 's not just making kids talk better ; it 's more about giving kids who need it a redundant channel to learn phonology , morphology , and syntax .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How significant a speech impairment are you talking about?If it is only a speech issue (like a lisp) and they don't value the therapy, then I'm not sure what to say.
I know a guy here who has quirky speech, but he's doing fine as an engineering student at a major university.The reason we target speech in kids so heavily is that speech issues may (although not always) be a symptom of an underlying language problem that interferes with many other aspects of language.
It's not just making kids talk better; it's more about giving kids who need it a redundant channel to learn phonology, morphology, and syntax.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29946728</id>
	<title>Re:Video Games</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257090720000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Right, have them play WOW, and talk with teammates.  They might get incentive fast.</p><p>On a different note, if they have no incentive to change, why bother attempting to change them?  THAT's a very useful question for a therapist to ask.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right , have them play WOW , and talk with teammates .
They might get incentive fast.On a different note , if they have no incentive to change , why bother attempting to change them ?
THAT 's a very useful question for a therapist to ask .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right, have them play WOW, and talk with teammates.
They might get incentive fast.On a different note, if they have no incentive to change, why bother attempting to change them?
THAT's a very useful question for a therapist to ask.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29958806</id>
	<title>Start simple</title>
	<author>thethibs</author>
	<datestamp>1257175260000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>First, teach them to understand Liverpuddlian.</htmltext>
<tokenext>First , teach them to understand Liverpuddlian .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First, teach them to understand Liverpuddlian.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29945354</id>
	<title>Video Games</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257078180000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>My son's autistic. Playing video games with him made him much, much more verbal, taught him how to solve problems, express directions, give orders, and more.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My son 's autistic .
Playing video games with him made him much , much more verbal , taught him how to solve problems , express directions , give orders , and more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My son's autistic.
Playing video games with him made him much, much more verbal, taught him how to solve problems, express directions, give orders, and more.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29945994</id>
	<title>Re:When I have to phone a robot</title>
	<author>reverendbeer</author>
	<datestamp>1257084480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>That's because you mistakenly think that "Yes" is pronounced "Munfth."</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's because you mistakenly think that " Yes " is pronounced " Munfth .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's because you mistakenly think that "Yes" is pronounced "Munfth.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29952300</id>
	<title>Turning basement dwellers into workers</title>
	<author>tepples</author>
	<datestamp>1257187380000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If they have trouble getting employment, then that's an incentive right there.</p></div><p>True. I have a disability, and I couldn't find a job until my state's vocational rehabilitation department referred me to an employment agency specializing in people with disabilities. But in a welfare state, the incentive becomes convincing patients why they would even need a job when they can live on the dole and/or leech off their parents as a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasite\_single" title="wikipedia.org">parasite single</a> [wikipedia.org].</p></div>
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<tokenext>If they have trouble getting employment , then that 's an incentive right there.True .
I have a disability , and I could n't find a job until my state 's vocational rehabilitation department referred me to an employment agency specializing in people with disabilities .
But in a welfare state , the incentive becomes convincing patients why they would even need a job when they can live on the dole and/or leech off their parents as a parasite single [ wikipedia.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they have trouble getting employment, then that's an incentive right there.True.
I have a disability, and I couldn't find a job until my state's vocational rehabilitation department referred me to an employment agency specializing in people with disabilities.
But in a welfare state, the incentive becomes convincing patients why they would even need a job when they can live on the dole and/or leech off their parents as a parasite single [wikipedia.org].
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	<title>Re:Don't do anything</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1257081900000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Your theory <i>might</i> work (emphasis on the <i>might</i>, very few human societies have ever tried to operate on the "well, if he isn't motivated just ignore him until he is" principle, so there aren't many data) on more or less rational adults.<br> <br>

It is quite possible, though, given the usual places you find speech/language pathologists that OP's girlfriend will be dealing with children. That strategy simply doesn't cut it with them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your theory might work ( emphasis on the might , very few human societies have ever tried to operate on the " well , if he is n't motivated just ignore him until he is " principle , so there are n't many data ) on more or less rational adults .
It is quite possible , though , given the usual places you find speech/language pathologists that OP 's girlfriend will be dealing with children .
That strategy simply does n't cut it with them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your theory might work (emphasis on the might, very few human societies have ever tried to operate on the "well, if he isn't motivated just ignore him until he is" principle, so there aren't many data) on more or less rational adults.
It is quite possible, though, given the usual places you find speech/language pathologists that OP's girlfriend will be dealing with children.
That strategy simply doesn't cut it with them.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29945970</id>
	<title>Re:It all depends</title>
	<author>Caity</author>
	<datestamp>1257084240000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I don't think the OP is talking about lisps and stutters.</p><p>We've all seen the family out to dinner with mum and dad staring into space and the kids totally absorbed by their Nintendos.  The prevalence of modern technology has created massive problems in the development of language skills in kids because it has made it so easy for them to avoid conversation.</p><p>It's a skill that has to be practiced just like everything else.</p><p>It becomes a vicious cycle as the child grows older - they know their speech isn't good, so they continue to avoid situations where it is necessary.</p><p>I've heard of otherwise normally intelligent teenagers who cannot express frighteningly simple things like "I like the way she looks in that dress" without a lot of effort.  They speak like you would expect someone to speak after learning a foreign language for about three weeks - they have to think about the words and the order of the words, and they make stuff up that sounds plausible to cover the fact they know they are getting it wrong.</p><p>Computer games are part of the problem and I don't think they can be more than a minor part of the solution as theses kids need to learn the visual aspects of communication as well - body language and facial expressions. These people need face to face interaction that involves cooperative problem solving to encourage them to talk.</p><p>Reasonably complex board games are probably good - games like Risk maybe? I also think that something like D&amp;D would probably be great for people with this sort of problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think the OP is talking about lisps and stutters.We 've all seen the family out to dinner with mum and dad staring into space and the kids totally absorbed by their Nintendos .
The prevalence of modern technology has created massive problems in the development of language skills in kids because it has made it so easy for them to avoid conversation.It 's a skill that has to be practiced just like everything else.It becomes a vicious cycle as the child grows older - they know their speech is n't good , so they continue to avoid situations where it is necessary.I 've heard of otherwise normally intelligent teenagers who can not express frighteningly simple things like " I like the way she looks in that dress " without a lot of effort .
They speak like you would expect someone to speak after learning a foreign language for about three weeks - they have to think about the words and the order of the words , and they make stuff up that sounds plausible to cover the fact they know they are getting it wrong.Computer games are part of the problem and I do n't think they can be more than a minor part of the solution as theses kids need to learn the visual aspects of communication as well - body language and facial expressions .
These people need face to face interaction that involves cooperative problem solving to encourage them to talk.Reasonably complex board games are probably good - games like Risk maybe ?
I also think that something like D&amp;D would probably be great for people with this sort of problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think the OP is talking about lisps and stutters.We've all seen the family out to dinner with mum and dad staring into space and the kids totally absorbed by their Nintendos.
The prevalence of modern technology has created massive problems in the development of language skills in kids because it has made it so easy for them to avoid conversation.It's a skill that has to be practiced just like everything else.It becomes a vicious cycle as the child grows older - they know their speech isn't good, so they continue to avoid situations where it is necessary.I've heard of otherwise normally intelligent teenagers who cannot express frighteningly simple things like "I like the way she looks in that dress" without a lot of effort.
They speak like you would expect someone to speak after learning a foreign language for about three weeks - they have to think about the words and the order of the words, and they make stuff up that sounds plausible to cover the fact they know they are getting it wrong.Computer games are part of the problem and I don't think they can be more than a minor part of the solution as theses kids need to learn the visual aspects of communication as well - body language and facial expressions.
These people need face to face interaction that involves cooperative problem solving to encourage them to talk.Reasonably complex board games are probably good - games like Risk maybe?
I also think that something like D&amp;D would probably be great for people with this sort of problem.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Brain Training</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257077700000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I've just been discharged from a neuro-rehabilitation unit in the states to treat the aftermath of a 6 cm benign tumor resection in my right-frontal lobe. I didn't participate with the full program of offering, but I did have a very good Speech therapist who didn't focus just on language but also on things like deductive reasoning, scanning for words in blocks of text, and other interesting cognitive exercises. One of the things we did was work on what are sometimes called Quizzles, or logic puzzles. Where you are given a situation and a set of clues, and you are left to decide how to solve the puzzle, given that only one condition per subset could be true, resulting in the negation of the rest of the options. At first they were difficult because my brain was just tired (I was going through radiation treatments simultaneously), but after a time, they got easier as I was healing and the other therapies I was receiving was taking hold.</p><p>One of the programs she had also introduced me to was a program called "Brain Train" which had a whole subset of interesting ways of interpreting problems and coming up with a solution. One of those ended up being an interactive Towers of Hanoi puzzle. Since I'm able to write code, I had to go back into memory and remember the way that was solvable using recursion. I didn't tell her that though.</p><p>Another thing that I think worked for me was the "Brain Age" titles for Nintendo DS. There's lots of things that don't pertain to speech, but there are some things that are.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've just been discharged from a neuro-rehabilitation unit in the states to treat the aftermath of a 6 cm benign tumor resection in my right-frontal lobe .
I did n't participate with the full program of offering , but I did have a very good Speech therapist who did n't focus just on language but also on things like deductive reasoning , scanning for words in blocks of text , and other interesting cognitive exercises .
One of the things we did was work on what are sometimes called Quizzles , or logic puzzles .
Where you are given a situation and a set of clues , and you are left to decide how to solve the puzzle , given that only one condition per subset could be true , resulting in the negation of the rest of the options .
At first they were difficult because my brain was just tired ( I was going through radiation treatments simultaneously ) , but after a time , they got easier as I was healing and the other therapies I was receiving was taking hold.One of the programs she had also introduced me to was a program called " Brain Train " which had a whole subset of interesting ways of interpreting problems and coming up with a solution .
One of those ended up being an interactive Towers of Hanoi puzzle .
Since I 'm able to write code , I had to go back into memory and remember the way that was solvable using recursion .
I did n't tell her that though.Another thing that I think worked for me was the " Brain Age " titles for Nintendo DS .
There 's lots of things that do n't pertain to speech , but there are some things that are .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've just been discharged from a neuro-rehabilitation unit in the states to treat the aftermath of a 6 cm benign tumor resection in my right-frontal lobe.
I didn't participate with the full program of offering, but I did have a very good Speech therapist who didn't focus just on language but also on things like deductive reasoning, scanning for words in blocks of text, and other interesting cognitive exercises.
One of the things we did was work on what are sometimes called Quizzles, or logic puzzles.
Where you are given a situation and a set of clues, and you are left to decide how to solve the puzzle, given that only one condition per subset could be true, resulting in the negation of the rest of the options.
At first they were difficult because my brain was just tired (I was going through radiation treatments simultaneously), but after a time, they got easier as I was healing and the other therapies I was receiving was taking hold.One of the programs she had also introduced me to was a program called "Brain Train" which had a whole subset of interesting ways of interpreting problems and coming up with a solution.
One of those ended up being an interactive Towers of Hanoi puzzle.
Since I'm able to write code, I had to go back into memory and remember the way that was solvable using recursion.
I didn't tell her that though.Another thing that I think worked for me was the "Brain Age" titles for Nintendo DS.
There's lots of things that don't pertain to speech, but there are some things that are.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Several months</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257077520000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Let them spend several months living in a cardboard box after their parents are dead and they lose the house. It might give them an incentive to move up to human from humanoid underground basement dweller.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let them spend several months living in a cardboard box after their parents are dead and they lose the house .
It might give them an incentive to move up to human from humanoid underground basement dweller .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let them spend several months living in a cardboard box after their parents are dead and they lose the house.
It might give them an incentive to move up to human from humanoid underground basement dweller.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Not to hijack, but I need something for a kid,</title>
	<author>ShooterNeo</author>
	<datestamp>1257094860000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>A novice programmer like yourself could conceivably get the first part.  Displaying images, recording and playing back sound samples are all readily available functions you can call on via C# and open source libraries.</p><p>However, adding the second feature would increase the complexity of the project a hundred to a thousand times.  That's high end speech recognition, and you would need to put in probably months to years coding it up and would need advanced understanding of mathematics and of the algorithms used to do that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A novice programmer like yourself could conceivably get the first part .
Displaying images , recording and playing back sound samples are all readily available functions you can call on via C # and open source libraries.However , adding the second feature would increase the complexity of the project a hundred to a thousand times .
That 's high end speech recognition , and you would need to put in probably months to years coding it up and would need advanced understanding of mathematics and of the algorithms used to do that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A novice programmer like yourself could conceivably get the first part.
Displaying images, recording and playing back sound samples are all readily available functions you can call on via C# and open source libraries.However, adding the second feature would increase the complexity of the project a hundred to a thousand times.
That's high end speech recognition, and you would need to put in probably months to years coding it up and would need advanced understanding of mathematics and of the algorithms used to do that.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Not to hijack, but I need something for a kid,</title>
	<author>dexotaku</author>
	<datestamp>1257093000000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>What you're describing is almost exactly how Rosetta Stone [as seen on TV] works.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What you 're describing is almost exactly how Rosetta Stone [ as seen on TV ] works .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What you're describing is almost exactly how Rosetta Stone [as seen on TV] works.</sentencetext>
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	<title>I can think of one obvious incentive</title>
	<author>vlm</author>
	<datestamp>1257167760000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I realize this is slashdot not "soap opera storyline dot com", but still surprised no one noticed:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>My girlfriend</p></div><p><div class="quote"><p>A number of clients are guys</p></div><p><div class="quote"><p>some have no incentive to try and improve their speech.</p></div><p>The boyfriend is always the last to know.  Even if your girlfriend is doing absolutely nothing inappropriate with the guys at all, they might sign up solely to enjoy looking at her, or daydreaming or just purely platonic-ly bored/lonely.</p><p>(If its not obvious, nothing personal intended dude, just having some fun with how the story was written)</p></div>
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<tokenext>I realize this is slashdot not " soap opera storyline dot com " , but still surprised no one noticed : My girlfriendA number of clients are guyssome have no incentive to try and improve their speech.The boyfriend is always the last to know .
Even if your girlfriend is doing absolutely nothing inappropriate with the guys at all , they might sign up solely to enjoy looking at her , or daydreaming or just purely platonic-ly bored/lonely .
( If its not obvious , nothing personal intended dude , just having some fun with how the story was written )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I realize this is slashdot not "soap opera storyline dot com", but still surprised no one noticed:My girlfriendA number of clients are guyssome have no incentive to try and improve their speech.The boyfriend is always the last to know.
Even if your girlfriend is doing absolutely nothing inappropriate with the guys at all, they might sign up solely to enjoy looking at her, or daydreaming or just purely platonic-ly bored/lonely.
(If its not obvious, nothing personal intended dude, just having some fun with how the story was written)
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	<title>Re:It all depends</title>
	<author>rakslice</author>
	<datestamp>1257153420000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>'round these parts we call 'em parenthesis aficionados...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>'round these parts we call 'em parenthesis aficionados.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'round these parts we call 'em parenthesis aficionados...</sentencetext>
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	<title>Girls.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257082320000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>A passle of good looking girls, a few beers, and these guys will have lots of incentive to hone their language skills.<br> <br>

It's like the old story of the kid who grew to be twelve years old without ever uttering a word. Doctors found nothing, psychologists found nothing, neurologists found nothing - there was no reason why he shouldn't talk. <br> <br>

One morning though he sat down at the kitchen table picked up his breakfast, and said "This porridge is cold!"<br> <br>

His startled Mother says "My God Tommy! You talked!  What happened?"<br> <br>

Tommy looks at her and says "Until now everything was OK."</htmltext>
<tokenext>A passle of good looking girls , a few beers , and these guys will have lots of incentive to hone their language skills .
It 's like the old story of the kid who grew to be twelve years old without ever uttering a word .
Doctors found nothing , psychologists found nothing , neurologists found nothing - there was no reason why he should n't talk .
One morning though he sat down at the kitchen table picked up his breakfast , and said " This porridge is cold !
" His startled Mother says " My God Tommy !
You talked !
What happened ?
" Tommy looks at her and says " Until now everything was OK. "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A passle of good looking girls, a few beers, and these guys will have lots of incentive to hone their language skills.
It's like the old story of the kid who grew to be twelve years old without ever uttering a word.
Doctors found nothing, psychologists found nothing, neurologists found nothing - there was no reason why he shouldn't talk.
One morning though he sat down at the kitchen table picked up his breakfast, and said "This porridge is cold!
" 

His startled Mother says "My God Tommy!
You talked!
What happened?
" 

Tommy looks at her and says "Until now everything was OK."</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:When I have to phone a robot</title>
	<author>0100010001010011</author>
	<datestamp>1257085200000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>My school had a phone robot that would call people on campus. (Small School), the problem was that it was adaptive and learned how you 'pronounced' peoples names. Leaning to all sorts of hilarity.</p><p>"Who would you like to call:"</p><p>Jane Doe. [dials].</p><p>Jane Doe Slut. "Did you mean Jane Doe" "Yes" [Dials]</p><p>Jane Slut. "Did you mean Jane Doe" "Yes" [dials]</p><p>Slut. "Did you mean Jane Doe" "Yes" [dials]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My school had a phone robot that would call people on campus .
( Small School ) , the problem was that it was adaptive and learned how you 'pronounced ' peoples names .
Leaning to all sorts of hilarity .
" Who would you like to call : " Jane Doe .
[ dials ] .Jane Doe Slut .
" Did you mean Jane Doe " " Yes " [ Dials ] Jane Slut .
" Did you mean Jane Doe " " Yes " [ dials ] Slut .
" Did you mean Jane Doe " " Yes " [ dials ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My school had a phone robot that would call people on campus.
(Small School), the problem was that it was adaptive and learned how you 'pronounced' peoples names.
Leaning to all sorts of hilarity.
"Who would you like to call:"Jane Doe.
[dials].Jane Doe Slut.
"Did you mean Jane Doe" "Yes" [Dials]Jane Slut.
"Did you mean Jane Doe" "Yes" [dials]Slut.
"Did you mean Jane Doe" "Yes" [dials]</sentencetext>
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	<title>Imagine Learning English</title>
	<author>KingDork2K3</author>
	<datestamp>1257100080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>I teach ESL at a K-5 elementary school.  My school just started using Imagine Learning English - www.imaginelearning.com - which is really impressive and useful, though expensive.  The program has<br>many activities which show videos of mouths making different sounds.  Be aware though that the program does not allow you to designate the activities a student works on - it gives an hourlong assessment on first use, and then works on areas where the student is deficient.  If you login as a teacher, you can do any activity, BUT it doesn't track your progress then...<br>Still, the program is awesome and anyone interested in Computer Assisted Language Learning should check it out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I teach ESL at a K-5 elementary school .
My school just started using Imagine Learning English - www.imaginelearning.com - which is really impressive and useful , though expensive .
The program hasmany activities which show videos of mouths making different sounds .
Be aware though that the program does not allow you to designate the activities a student works on - it gives an hourlong assessment on first use , and then works on areas where the student is deficient .
If you login as a teacher , you can do any activity , BUT it does n't track your progress then...Still , the program is awesome and anyone interested in Computer Assisted Language Learning should check it out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I teach ESL at a K-5 elementary school.
My school just started using Imagine Learning English - www.imaginelearning.com - which is really impressive and useful, though expensive.
The program hasmany activities which show videos of mouths making different sounds.
Be aware though that the program does not allow you to designate the activities a student works on - it gives an hourlong assessment on first use, and then works on areas where the student is deficient.
If you login as a teacher, you can do any activity, BUT it doesn't track your progress then...Still, the program is awesome and anyone interested in Computer Assisted Language Learning should check it out.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:English or American?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257163860000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I'll have you know that the American accent ain't an 'impediment'. Y'all is just too hoyty-toyty over there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll have you know that the American accent ai n't an 'impediment' .
Y'all is just too hoyty-toyty over there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll have you know that the American accent ain't an 'impediment'.
Y'all is just too hoyty-toyty over there.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Biased against gamers!</title>
	<author>VeNoM0619</author>
	<datestamp>1257159720000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Thus: Keybinds were invented (way before voice chat was added to their games).<br> <br>
Pressing a key (or mouse button if you have more than 3 whole buttons) will send an obvious team chat to designate you need help.<br> <br>
Don't get me wrong however, sometimes speech can be good in certain games where you need on the fly strategy. Just wasn't a good example however<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</htmltext>
<tokenext>Thus : Keybinds were invented ( way before voice chat was added to their games ) .
Pressing a key ( or mouse button if you have more than 3 whole buttons ) will send an obvious team chat to designate you need help .
Do n't get me wrong however , sometimes speech can be good in certain games where you need on the fly strategy .
Just was n't a good example however : P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thus: Keybinds were invented (way before voice chat was added to their games).
Pressing a key (or mouse button if you have more than 3 whole buttons) will send an obvious team chat to designate you need help.
Don't get me wrong however, sometimes speech can be good in certain games where you need on the fly strategy.
Just wasn't a good example however :P</sentencetext>
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	<title>NLD</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257082380000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Perhaps do a little bit of study in the realm of non-verbal learning disorders, these can affect speech and language as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps do a little bit of study in the realm of non-verbal learning disorders , these can affect speech and language as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps do a little bit of study in the realm of non-verbal learning disorders, these can affect speech and language as well.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:English or American?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257184260000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I don't think it was your accent, those things just suck. I'm an American, grew up in the midwest, which is what the "standard TV broadcaster" accent is supposed to be based on, and those systems never understand me. I may not be a stage actor, but I do speak reasonably clearly -- particularly when I'm on the phone trying to get a voice recognition tool to work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think it was your accent , those things just suck .
I 'm an American , grew up in the midwest , which is what the " standard TV broadcaster " accent is supposed to be based on , and those systems never understand me .
I may not be a stage actor , but I do speak reasonably clearly -- particularly when I 'm on the phone trying to get a voice recognition tool to work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think it was your accent, those things just suck.
I'm an American, grew up in the midwest, which is what the "standard TV broadcaster" accent is supposed to be based on, and those systems never understand me.
I may not be a stage actor, but I do speak reasonably clearly -- particularly when I'm on the phone trying to get a voice recognition tool to work.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Not to hijack, but I need something for a kid,</title>
	<author>Faerunner</author>
	<datestamp>1257168720000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Hey, that's my job!

<br>(Part of it, anyway. I work with kids with autism spectrum disorders and many, many of them have great difficulties with speech and language processing. They not only don't speak clearly (if at all) but they have trouble labeling objects both receptively (touch the couch!) and expressively (what is that? Couch!)). I'm really interested to see what people have to say about this. The best motivation I've found is to take away anything the kid really wants (food, drinks, toys, computer) and make them ask for it repeatedly during a session, modeling the appropriate way to ask (Picture Exchange Communication System, sign language, verbal cues, Dynavox, Dynawrite...) and then making sure that they are asking at the highest level they are able to reach. I won't take "waha" for "water" when I know they can say "wata". It can be frustrating for them but if you always reward with the item after they've made a few (good) attempts to ask, they'll very soon learn that it's worth speaking clearly so they don't have to go through "I didn't understand you - say it again!" six times. Once they know that communication is effective in fulfilling their desires you can work on shaping language to a clearer state. If they're not motivated you'll get nowhere. For some of them I'd honestly advocate putting them in a public setting with a list of questions they have to ask in order to find their way "home", standing back and watching. If they can't get passerby to understand them, and are capable of understanding -why- they aren't understood, they'll hopefully shape up their speech patterns as fast as they can at least to a level where most people can grasp what they're saying. Just don't do with the guys who are going to be easily frustrated or become violent (duh).

<br>I can't play back a kid's voice without a tape recorder in hand, but I do a lot of modeling, overexaggerated lip movements and bouncing around to make it fun and I can react a lot better than a computer can to a kid's changing attention and level of motivation.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey , that 's my job !
( Part of it , anyway .
I work with kids with autism spectrum disorders and many , many of them have great difficulties with speech and language processing .
They not only do n't speak clearly ( if at all ) but they have trouble labeling objects both receptively ( touch the couch !
) and expressively ( what is that ?
Couch ! ) ) . I 'm really interested to see what people have to say about this .
The best motivation I 've found is to take away anything the kid really wants ( food , drinks , toys , computer ) and make them ask for it repeatedly during a session , modeling the appropriate way to ask ( Picture Exchange Communication System , sign language , verbal cues , Dynavox , Dynawrite... ) and then making sure that they are asking at the highest level they are able to reach .
I wo n't take " waha " for " water " when I know they can say " wata " .
It can be frustrating for them but if you always reward with the item after they 've made a few ( good ) attempts to ask , they 'll very soon learn that it 's worth speaking clearly so they do n't have to go through " I did n't understand you - say it again !
" six times .
Once they know that communication is effective in fulfilling their desires you can work on shaping language to a clearer state .
If they 're not motivated you 'll get nowhere .
For some of them I 'd honestly advocate putting them in a public setting with a list of questions they have to ask in order to find their way " home " , standing back and watching .
If they ca n't get passerby to understand them , and are capable of understanding -why- they are n't understood , they 'll hopefully shape up their speech patterns as fast as they can at least to a level where most people can grasp what they 're saying .
Just do n't do with the guys who are going to be easily frustrated or become violent ( duh ) .
I ca n't play back a kid 's voice without a tape recorder in hand , but I do a lot of modeling , overexaggerated lip movements and bouncing around to make it fun and I can react a lot better than a computer can to a kid 's changing attention and level of motivation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey, that's my job!
(Part of it, anyway.
I work with kids with autism spectrum disorders and many, many of them have great difficulties with speech and language processing.
They not only don't speak clearly (if at all) but they have trouble labeling objects both receptively (touch the couch!
) and expressively (what is that?
Couch!)). I'm really interested to see what people have to say about this.
The best motivation I've found is to take away anything the kid really wants (food, drinks, toys, computer) and make them ask for it repeatedly during a session, modeling the appropriate way to ask (Picture Exchange Communication System, sign language, verbal cues, Dynavox, Dynawrite...) and then making sure that they are asking at the highest level they are able to reach.
I won't take "waha" for "water" when I know they can say "wata".
It can be frustrating for them but if you always reward with the item after they've made a few (good) attempts to ask, they'll very soon learn that it's worth speaking clearly so they don't have to go through "I didn't understand you - say it again!
" six times.
Once they know that communication is effective in fulfilling their desires you can work on shaping language to a clearer state.
If they're not motivated you'll get nowhere.
For some of them I'd honestly advocate putting them in a public setting with a list of questions they have to ask in order to find their way "home", standing back and watching.
If they can't get passerby to understand them, and are capable of understanding -why- they aren't understood, they'll hopefully shape up their speech patterns as fast as they can at least to a level where most people can grasp what they're saying.
Just don't do with the guys who are going to be easily frustrated or become violent (duh).
I can't play back a kid's voice without a tape recorder in hand, but I do a lot of modeling, overexaggerated lip movements and bouncing around to make it fun and I can react a lot better than a computer can to a kid's changing attention and level of motivation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29945352</id>
	<title>No Software Will Replace Therapy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257078180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am the son of an SLP here in the states and a patient of hers as well.  This was a fortunate situation for me because I got good therapy and I had parents that were involved.  No software will ever replace good therapy with a good therapist / pathologist.
<br> <br>
That being said, there are video and board games to be used as therapy tools and they are all geared toward children from preschool through high school.  I created a video game about a year ago for just this purpose. The games require the player to get a speech bubble which cues a visual and auditory stimulus, then the player should repeat the stimulus with their best effort.  You can even use it with a microphone so that the game continues after you say the word. It does not, however, do any speech recognition, just merely detecting audio activity.
<br> <br>  You can download a small demo (Flash projector, demo is Win only but the game is Win / Mac) at the website, <a href="http://www.2galsspeechproducts.com/" title="2galsspeechproducts.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.2galsspeechproducts.com/</a> [2galsspeechproducts.com]
<br> <br>
Feel free to contact me directly if needed.  leetrout \_at\_ gmail \_dot\_ com</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am the son of an SLP here in the states and a patient of hers as well .
This was a fortunate situation for me because I got good therapy and I had parents that were involved .
No software will ever replace good therapy with a good therapist / pathologist .
That being said , there are video and board games to be used as therapy tools and they are all geared toward children from preschool through high school .
I created a video game about a year ago for just this purpose .
The games require the player to get a speech bubble which cues a visual and auditory stimulus , then the player should repeat the stimulus with their best effort .
You can even use it with a microphone so that the game continues after you say the word .
It does not , however , do any speech recognition , just merely detecting audio activity .
You can download a small demo ( Flash projector , demo is Win only but the game is Win / Mac ) at the website , http : //www.2galsspeechproducts.com/ [ 2galsspeechproducts.com ] Feel free to contact me directly if needed .
leetrout \ _at \ _ gmail \ _dot \ _ com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am the son of an SLP here in the states and a patient of hers as well.
This was a fortunate situation for me because I got good therapy and I had parents that were involved.
No software will ever replace good therapy with a good therapist / pathologist.
That being said, there are video and board games to be used as therapy tools and they are all geared toward children from preschool through high school.
I created a video game about a year ago for just this purpose.
The games require the player to get a speech bubble which cues a visual and auditory stimulus, then the player should repeat the stimulus with their best effort.
You can even use it with a microphone so that the game continues after you say the word.
It does not, however, do any speech recognition, just merely detecting audio activity.
You can download a small demo (Flash projector, demo is Win only but the game is Win / Mac) at the website, http://www.2galsspeechproducts.com/ [2galsspeechproducts.com]
 
Feel free to contact me directly if needed.
leetrout \_at\_ gmail \_dot\_ com</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29946888</id>
	<title>Improving Speech May Not be the Answer</title>
	<author>codermotor</author>
	<datestamp>1257092400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>"A number of clients are guys who enjoy playing computer games, and for a variety of reasons some have no incentive to try and improve their speech."</i> </p><p>This is pretty vague. There are many types of speech difficulties and many ways of dealing with them. As another poster pointed out, minor impediments are one thing, but problems related to physiological problems are more difficult to deal with.</p><p>My wife has Athetoid Cerebral Palsy which carries a side effect of her having Tongue Thrust. No degree of traditional speech therapy is going to allow her to control her tongue well enough to speak, although some old-school (and clueless) SLP's tried during her childhood. An Augmentative Alternative Communication (AAC) device, specifically <a href="http://www.dynavoxtech.com/products/v/" title="dynavoxtech.com" rel="nofollow">this</a> [dynavoxtech.com], was the solution for her. There is a huge technology industry supporting people with severe speech problems, and similar tech is covered by most insurance carriers in the U.S., including Medicare.</p><p> <i>"The issue is it can obviously inhibit options for jobs/other aspects of life etc."</i> </p><p>It can and does but it doesn't have to, nor should it. There is a lot more tolerance of disabilities today. We know many people with moderate to severe speech-affected disabilities who manage to lead lives which are not so much affected by by their speech as they are by other aspects of their disabilities.  The bigger problem for people with certain types of congenital speech problems, is not speech itself but language and communication deficits which come as a result certain areas of the individual's brain not being developed to the same degree as those who go through the normal speech-learning process as children. Modern SLP's will recognize when tradional therapy is not only the wrong approach, but actually counter-productive.</p><p> <i>"I was trying to think of fun computer based activities for those with speech and language difficulties that encourage individuals to speak and furthermore to speak with greater clarity."</i> </p><p>There is a lot of software out there which can be used by therapists, and an SLP-in-training should have already been made aware of its existence by those experienced in the field. I think much of it though is probably aimed at the very young. Unfortunately the controlling factors are mostly social, and especially with males, once the teen years are reached, the mold is set unless the individual is already very self-motivated. One has to look at the person's social environment, the severity of the deficit ("I always have an aide who understands me") and at the nature of his support group ("I can already communicate with everyone who is important to me") and his own personal goals.</p><p>It seems you've asked for a solution to a very complex problem but haven't defined the problem set enough to suggest a pat solution (of which there are none anyway - each case is different enough from any other that there are few to no general solutions).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" A number of clients are guys who enjoy playing computer games , and for a variety of reasons some have no incentive to try and improve their speech .
" This is pretty vague .
There are many types of speech difficulties and many ways of dealing with them .
As another poster pointed out , minor impediments are one thing , but problems related to physiological problems are more difficult to deal with.My wife has Athetoid Cerebral Palsy which carries a side effect of her having Tongue Thrust .
No degree of traditional speech therapy is going to allow her to control her tongue well enough to speak , although some old-school ( and clueless ) SLP 's tried during her childhood .
An Augmentative Alternative Communication ( AAC ) device , specifically this [ dynavoxtech.com ] , was the solution for her .
There is a huge technology industry supporting people with severe speech problems , and similar tech is covered by most insurance carriers in the U.S. , including Medicare .
" The issue is it can obviously inhibit options for jobs/other aspects of life etc .
" It can and does but it does n't have to , nor should it .
There is a lot more tolerance of disabilities today .
We know many people with moderate to severe speech-affected disabilities who manage to lead lives which are not so much affected by by their speech as they are by other aspects of their disabilities .
The bigger problem for people with certain types of congenital speech problems , is not speech itself but language and communication deficits which come as a result certain areas of the individual 's brain not being developed to the same degree as those who go through the normal speech-learning process as children .
Modern SLP 's will recognize when tradional therapy is not only the wrong approach , but actually counter-productive .
" I was trying to think of fun computer based activities for those with speech and language difficulties that encourage individuals to speak and furthermore to speak with greater clarity .
" There is a lot of software out there which can be used by therapists , and an SLP-in-training should have already been made aware of its existence by those experienced in the field .
I think much of it though is probably aimed at the very young .
Unfortunately the controlling factors are mostly social , and especially with males , once the teen years are reached , the mold is set unless the individual is already very self-motivated .
One has to look at the person 's social environment , the severity of the deficit ( " I always have an aide who understands me " ) and at the nature of his support group ( " I can already communicate with everyone who is important to me " ) and his own personal goals.It seems you 've asked for a solution to a very complex problem but have n't defined the problem set enough to suggest a pat solution ( of which there are none anyway - each case is different enough from any other that there are few to no general solutions ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> "A number of clients are guys who enjoy playing computer games, and for a variety of reasons some have no incentive to try and improve their speech.
" This is pretty vague.
There are many types of speech difficulties and many ways of dealing with them.
As another poster pointed out, minor impediments are one thing, but problems related to physiological problems are more difficult to deal with.My wife has Athetoid Cerebral Palsy which carries a side effect of her having Tongue Thrust.
No degree of traditional speech therapy is going to allow her to control her tongue well enough to speak, although some old-school (and clueless) SLP's tried during her childhood.
An Augmentative Alternative Communication (AAC) device, specifically this [dynavoxtech.com], was the solution for her.
There is a huge technology industry supporting people with severe speech problems, and similar tech is covered by most insurance carriers in the U.S., including Medicare.
"The issue is it can obviously inhibit options for jobs/other aspects of life etc.
" It can and does but it doesn't have to, nor should it.
There is a lot more tolerance of disabilities today.
We know many people with moderate to severe speech-affected disabilities who manage to lead lives which are not so much affected by by their speech as they are by other aspects of their disabilities.
The bigger problem for people with certain types of congenital speech problems, is not speech itself but language and communication deficits which come as a result certain areas of the individual's brain not being developed to the same degree as those who go through the normal speech-learning process as children.
Modern SLP's will recognize when tradional therapy is not only the wrong approach, but actually counter-productive.
"I was trying to think of fun computer based activities for those with speech and language difficulties that encourage individuals to speak and furthermore to speak with greater clarity.
" There is a lot of software out there which can be used by therapists, and an SLP-in-training should have already been made aware of its existence by those experienced in the field.
I think much of it though is probably aimed at the very young.
Unfortunately the controlling factors are mostly social, and especially with males, once the teen years are reached, the mold is set unless the individual is already very self-motivated.
One has to look at the person's social environment, the severity of the deficit ("I always have an aide who understands me") and at the nature of his support group ("I can already communicate with everyone who is important to me") and his own personal goals.It seems you've asked for a solution to a very complex problem but haven't defined the problem set enough to suggest a pat solution (of which there are none anyway - each case is different enough from any other that there are few to no general solutions).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29954898</id>
	<title>Say-N-Play is a speech practice game for kids.</title>
	<author>RAMutex</author>
	<datestamp>1257155940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>*Disclaimer: I was a developer for this product*<br> <br>

<a href="http://say-n-play.com/" title="say-n-play.com" rel="nofollow">Say-N-Play</a> [say-n-play.com] is a speech articulation practice game designed for children ages 4-9.  It was developed in cooperation with Holly Strange, MS, CCC/SLP, a speech language pathologist and her team to provide a fun and engaging way for children to practice their speech, so they look forward to it each day.
<br> <br>
We partnered with the Stanford Research Institute to create technology capable of analyzing and scoring independent phonemes within an utterance.  You can just use free play for mild articulation problems, or play in lesson mode where you select the problem phonemes and a progression of difficulties is tested.  It can ignore phonemes you have not set as targets if, for instance, the child cannot make R sounds but you are just trying to get them to practice B sounds.  It begins with easier positions (eg: initial, final) and moves all the way up to blends and phrases.
<br> <br>
The product was designed to be used either in the office along with the guidance of a speech language pathologist, or at home to supplement their lessons and direction.  The vocal models are based on US English (child, adult male and adult female vocal models are provided), but the primary focus is on consonant phonemes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>* Disclaimer : I was a developer for this product * Say-N-Play [ say-n-play.com ] is a speech articulation practice game designed for children ages 4-9 .
It was developed in cooperation with Holly Strange , MS , CCC/SLP , a speech language pathologist and her team to provide a fun and engaging way for children to practice their speech , so they look forward to it each day .
We partnered with the Stanford Research Institute to create technology capable of analyzing and scoring independent phonemes within an utterance .
You can just use free play for mild articulation problems , or play in lesson mode where you select the problem phonemes and a progression of difficulties is tested .
It can ignore phonemes you have not set as targets if , for instance , the child can not make R sounds but you are just trying to get them to practice B sounds .
It begins with easier positions ( eg : initial , final ) and moves all the way up to blends and phrases .
The product was designed to be used either in the office along with the guidance of a speech language pathologist , or at home to supplement their lessons and direction .
The vocal models are based on US English ( child , adult male and adult female vocal models are provided ) , but the primary focus is on consonant phonemes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>*Disclaimer: I was a developer for this product* 

Say-N-Play [say-n-play.com] is a speech articulation practice game designed for children ages 4-9.
It was developed in cooperation with Holly Strange, MS, CCC/SLP, a speech language pathologist and her team to provide a fun and engaging way for children to practice their speech, so they look forward to it each day.
We partnered with the Stanford Research Institute to create technology capable of analyzing and scoring independent phonemes within an utterance.
You can just use free play for mild articulation problems, or play in lesson mode where you select the problem phonemes and a progression of difficulties is tested.
It can ignore phonemes you have not set as targets if, for instance, the child cannot make R sounds but you are just trying to get them to practice B sounds.
It begins with easier positions (eg: initial, final) and moves all the way up to blends and phrases.
The product was designed to be used either in the office along with the guidance of a speech language pathologist, or at home to supplement their lessons and direction.
The vocal models are based on US English (child, adult male and adult female vocal models are provided), but the primary focus is on consonant phonemes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29947050</id>
	<title>Re:Not to hijack, but I need something for a kid,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257093900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Not to hijack, but<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</i> </p><p>... but, fuck all of you, I will anyway.</p><p>Jesus, what a self-absorbed moron.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not to hijack , but ... ... but , fuck all of you , I will anyway.Jesus , what a self-absorbed moron .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not to hijack, but ... ... but, fuck all of you, I will anyway.Jesus, what a self-absorbed moron.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29945446</id>
	<title>activities for those with concrete thinking issues</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257078900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>star gazing &amp; hand waving is back/bigger than ever. being kind to your neighbor is still wide open.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>star gazing &amp; hand waving is back/bigger than ever .
being kind to your neighbor is still wide open .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>star gazing &amp; hand waving is back/bigger than ever.
being kind to your neighbor is still wide open.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29946920</id>
	<title>Look at the benefits ...</title>
	<author>tomhudson</author>
	<datestamp>1257092640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> A number of clients are guys who enjoy playing computer games, and for a variety of reasons some have no incentive to try and improve their speech. The issue is it can obviously inhibit options for jobs/other aspects of life etc.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
They've learned it's better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you're a fool, rather than speak and prove it.
</p><p>
Also, if they have no incentive, why are they clients?  They must have SOMETHING that's motivating them.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>A number of clients are guys who enjoy playing computer games , and for a variety of reasons some have no incentive to try and improve their speech .
The issue is it can obviously inhibit options for jobs/other aspects of life etc .
They 've learned it 's better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you 're a fool , rather than speak and prove it .
Also , if they have no incentive , why are they clients ?
They must have SOMETHING that 's motivating them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> A number of clients are guys who enjoy playing computer games, and for a variety of reasons some have no incentive to try and improve their speech.
The issue is it can obviously inhibit options for jobs/other aspects of life etc.
They've learned it's better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you're a fool, rather than speak and prove it.
Also, if they have no incentive, why are they clients?
They must have SOMETHING that's motivating them.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29945490</id>
	<title>Re:It all depends</title>
	<author>hedwards</author>
	<datestamp>1257079200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>But isn't a guy with a Lisp a programmer?</htmltext>
<tokenext>But is n't a guy with a Lisp a programmer ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But isn't a guy with a Lisp a programmer?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29946032</id>
	<title>Computer activity for those with language diff..</title>
	<author>FreemanPatrickHenry</author>
	<datestamp>1257084720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Slashdot editor?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Slashdot editor ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Slashdot editor?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29945860</id>
	<title>Timmeh</title>
	<author>Kohath</author>
	<datestamp>1257083160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Timmeh!</p><p>TIMMEH!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Timmeh ! TIMMEH !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Timmeh!TIMMEH!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29945294</id>
	<title>When I have to phone a robot</title>
	<author>mirix</author>
	<datestamp>1257077580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>And it doesn't understand me, it usually just pisses me off, rather than cures my speech.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-/<br>
Unless you want me to speak very loud and slow to everyone!<br> <br>
<br>
automated POS: "would you like to... say yes for option one"<br>
me: "yes"<br>
robot: "I'm sorry, I didn't understand that, please repeat"<br>
me: "YES"<br>
robot: " I'm sorry, I didn't understand that, please repeat... or press 1 for yes, 2 for no"<br> <br>[furiously presses 1]</htmltext>
<tokenext>And it does n't understand me , it usually just pisses me off , rather than cures my speech .
: -/ Unless you want me to speak very loud and slow to everyone !
automated POS : " would you like to... say yes for option one " me : " yes " robot : " I 'm sorry , I did n't understand that , please repeat " me : " YES " robot : " I 'm sorry , I did n't understand that , please repeat... or press 1 for yes , 2 for no " [ furiously presses 1 ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And it doesn't understand me, it usually just pisses me off, rather than cures my speech.
:-/
Unless you want me to speak very loud and slow to everyone!
automated POS: "would you like to... say yes for option one"
me: "yes"
robot: "I'm sorry, I didn't understand that, please repeat"
me: "YES"
robot: " I'm sorry, I didn't understand that, please repeat... or press 1 for yes, 2 for no" [furiously presses 1]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29950850</id>
	<title>Re:Not to hijack, but I need something for a kid,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257180720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The newest version of Rosetta Stone does this fairly well except that with single words it does not point out the problems in pronunciation. With multiple word phrases it will point out which words were not pronounced "correctly".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The newest version of Rosetta Stone does this fairly well except that with single words it does not point out the problems in pronunciation .
With multiple word phrases it will point out which words were not pronounced " correctly " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The newest version of Rosetta Stone does this fairly well except that with single words it does not point out the problems in pronunciation.
With multiple word phrases it will point out which words were not pronounced "correctly".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29945978</id>
	<title>Re:Not to hijack, but I need something for a kid,</title>
	<author>0100010001010011</author>
	<datestamp>1257084360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Feedback control is usually how they got people to stop stutter.</p><p>They put a microphone on them and feed what they're saying back into headphones with a slight delay.</p><p><a href="http://www.speechcorrector.org/" title="speechcorrector.org">I guess it's also good for other things.</a> [speechcorrector.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Feedback control is usually how they got people to stop stutter.They put a microphone on them and feed what they 're saying back into headphones with a slight delay.I guess it 's also good for other things .
[ speechcorrector.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Feedback control is usually how they got people to stop stutter.They put a microphone on them and feed what they're saying back into headphones with a slight delay.I guess it's also good for other things.
[speechcorrector.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29947316</id>
	<title>but.......</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257096900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>why non-talk-able is a problem?<br>all computer guys can communicate without using the mouth......</p><p>and else......u don't know how to use a computer.......</p><p>so?........just like classifying mental patients?.........</p><p>actually many "problems" are defined by plain humans.......<br>but not the nature of this universe.......</p><p>if.....the society really really evolves into mouth-useless one....<br>maybe the days to "shut" the mouth will come.....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>why non-talk-able is a problem ? all computer guys can communicate without using the mouth......and else......u do n't know how to use a computer.......so ? ........just like classifying mental patients ? .........actually many " problems " are defined by plain humans.......but not the nature of this universe.......if.....the society really really evolves into mouth-useless one....maybe the days to " shut " the mouth will come.... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>why non-talk-able is a problem?all computer guys can communicate without using the mouth......and else......u don't know how to use a computer.......so?........just like classifying mental patients?.........actually many "problems" are defined by plain humans.......but not the nature of this universe.......if.....the society really really evolves into mouth-useless one....maybe the days to "shut" the mouth will come.....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29946994</id>
	<title>Re:Same here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257093240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We also had some "token niggers".  They mostly flunked out after a couple semesters.  I'm not sure if they can be trained to speak English or not.  The African (as in international) students didn't want to have anything to do with them,  lol.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We also had some " token niggers " .
They mostly flunked out after a couple semesters .
I 'm not sure if they can be trained to speak English or not .
The African ( as in international ) students did n't want to have anything to do with them , lol .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We also had some "token niggers".
They mostly flunked out after a couple semesters.
I'm not sure if they can be trained to speak English or not.
The African (as in international) students didn't want to have anything to do with them,  lol.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29945408</id>
	<title>Same here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257078600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We had some guys with quirky speech in our engineering college too.  We called them "International Students."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We had some guys with quirky speech in our engineering college too .
We called them " International Students .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We had some guys with quirky speech in our engineering college too.
We called them "International Students.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29947654</id>
	<title>My son's psychotic</title>
	<author>symbolset</author>
	<datestamp>1257100200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>So I got him <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal\_2" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Postal 2</a> [wikipedia.org].  The times when he's setting characters on fire and putting them out by peeing on them is by far the happiest he's ever been.  It's fun to see him find fulfillment, but I've taken to locking the bedroom door at night.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So I got him Postal 2 [ wikipedia.org ] .
The times when he 's setting characters on fire and putting them out by peeing on them is by far the happiest he 's ever been .
It 's fun to see him find fulfillment , but I 've taken to locking the bedroom door at night .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So I got him Postal 2 [wikipedia.org].
The times when he's setting characters on fire and putting them out by peeing on them is by far the happiest he's ever been.
It's fun to see him find fulfillment, but I've taken to locking the bedroom door at night.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29945420</id>
	<title>Biased against gamers!</title>
	<author>stimpleton</author>
	<datestamp>1257078660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>A number of clients are guys who enjoy playing computer games, and for a variety of reasons some have no incentive to try and improve their speech</i> <br> <br>
I have every incentive. When you are split from the team, a boomer's just puked his bile over you, you're blind as a bat, and the zombie hoard is coming, you need to communicate quickly, concisely, and clearly to your team mates. Since I have started using a mic for gaming , I find myself, mumbling less(such as at work), and becoming very proactive in the quality of my voice communication!</htmltext>
<tokenext>A number of clients are guys who enjoy playing computer games , and for a variety of reasons some have no incentive to try and improve their speech I have every incentive .
When you are split from the team , a boomer 's just puked his bile over you , you 're blind as a bat , and the zombie hoard is coming , you need to communicate quickly , concisely , and clearly to your team mates .
Since I have started using a mic for gaming , I find myself , mumbling less ( such as at work ) , and becoming very proactive in the quality of my voice communication !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A number of clients are guys who enjoy playing computer games, and for a variety of reasons some have no incentive to try and improve their speech  
I have every incentive.
When you are split from the team, a boomer's just puked his bile over you, you're blind as a bat, and the zombie hoard is coming, you need to communicate quickly, concisely, and clearly to your team mates.
Since I have started using a mic for gaming , I find myself, mumbling less(such as at work), and becoming very proactive in the quality of my voice communication!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29950164</id>
	<title>Re:When I have to phone a robot</title>
	<author>Cro Magnon</author>
	<datestamp>1257177060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My problem is, the machine's vocabulary is too limited.</p><p>"Sorry, 'fuck you' does not compute".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My problem is , the machine 's vocabulary is too limited .
" Sorry , 'fuck you ' does not compute " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My problem is, the machine's vocabulary is too limited.
"Sorry, 'fuck you' does not compute".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29949258</id>
	<title>Help the Speech Impaired</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257170040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>        I am more than slightly aware of a violent form of prejudice being exercised against speech impaired children. Take a look at how your local school system handles kids with speech difficulties. The evil trick is that they assign several students at once for speech therapy that absolutely must be delivered one on one. Naturally the therapy is totally worthless and the children fail to progress. They are sent to the therapist for a couple of years and then the school board sends a letter to the parents that the child has received all possible therapy and fails to respond and therefore will remain handicapped. What this does is reduce expenses to the school system. Therapists in the system have informed their superiors that the therapy they are required to give can not have any chance of helping the children. If they push the point the will be dismissed.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Other students that receive a huge mistreatment often include mentally ill students. For example children from the state mental hospital are trans ported to the other extreme of Broward County Florida every day. That is through dense urban traffic in a huge county, Ninety minutes one way for very ill children is absurd. One child was so ill that after murdering both parents he was so violent that he has to have a personal, arms length orderly 24 hours a day. Because of state laws this kid was transported by buss across the county like all other mentally ill kids although he has no chance of ever being released and is an absolute threat to everyone around him including other kids.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am more than slightly aware of a violent form of prejudice being exercised against speech impaired children .
Take a look at how your local school system handles kids with speech difficulties .
The evil trick is that they assign several students at once for speech therapy that absolutely must be delivered one on one .
Naturally the therapy is totally worthless and the children fail to progress .
They are sent to the therapist for a couple of years and then the school board sends a letter to the parents that the child has received all possible therapy and fails to respond and therefore will remain handicapped .
What this does is reduce expenses to the school system .
Therapists in the system have informed their superiors that the therapy they are required to give can not have any chance of helping the children .
If they push the point the will be dismissed .
                  Other students that receive a huge mistreatment often include mentally ill students .
For example children from the state mental hospital are trans ported to the other extreme of Broward County Florida every day .
That is through dense urban traffic in a huge county , Ninety minutes one way for very ill children is absurd .
One child was so ill that after murdering both parents he was so violent that he has to have a personal , arms length orderly 24 hours a day .
Because of state laws this kid was transported by buss across the county like all other mentally ill kids although he has no chance of ever being released and is an absolute threat to everyone around him including other kids .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>        I am more than slightly aware of a violent form of prejudice being exercised against speech impaired children.
Take a look at how your local school system handles kids with speech difficulties.
The evil trick is that they assign several students at once for speech therapy that absolutely must be delivered one on one.
Naturally the therapy is totally worthless and the children fail to progress.
They are sent to the therapist for a couple of years and then the school board sends a letter to the parents that the child has received all possible therapy and fails to respond and therefore will remain handicapped.
What this does is reduce expenses to the school system.
Therapists in the system have informed their superiors that the therapy they are required to give can not have any chance of helping the children.
If they push the point the will be dismissed.
                  Other students that receive a huge mistreatment often include mentally ill students.
For example children from the state mental hospital are trans ported to the other extreme of Broward County Florida every day.
That is through dense urban traffic in a huge county, Ninety minutes one way for very ill children is absurd.
One child was so ill that after murdering both parents he was so violent that he has to have a personal, arms length orderly 24 hours a day.
Because of state laws this kid was transported by buss across the county like all other mentally ill kids although he has no chance of ever being released and is an absolute threat to everyone around him including other kids.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29945896</id>
	<title>Why are we even going through all this trouble?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257083580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Serious question: Why are we pandering people with speech and language difficulties when there are other, more worthy ways to direct our time and money? It's probably cheaper to feed and shelter them in some kind of facility, where their language deficits won't be a problem for them. They can watch movies and play board games all day, and their families, if they want, can visit them on the weekends. I know this isn't a popular sentiment, but the ideal, optimal way to deal with most of these situations is "out of sight, out of mind."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Serious question : Why are we pandering people with speech and language difficulties when there are other , more worthy ways to direct our time and money ?
It 's probably cheaper to feed and shelter them in some kind of facility , where their language deficits wo n't be a problem for them .
They can watch movies and play board games all day , and their families , if they want , can visit them on the weekends .
I know this is n't a popular sentiment , but the ideal , optimal way to deal with most of these situations is " out of sight , out of mind .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Serious question: Why are we pandering people with speech and language difficulties when there are other, more worthy ways to direct our time and money?
It's probably cheaper to feed and shelter them in some kind of facility, where their language deficits won't be a problem for them.
They can watch movies and play board games all day, and their families, if they want, can visit them on the weekends.
I know this isn't a popular sentiment, but the ideal, optimal way to deal with most of these situations is "out of sight, out of mind.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29945292</id>
	<title>Not to hijack, but I need something for a kid, too</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257077580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm almost ready to teach myself multimedia programming -- i'd love to have a simple program that would show a picture of an object, say the name of the object ("Say 'snake'") and then record the child saying the word, then play it back for them to hear themselves saying it through headphones.  Icing would be if it could somehow evaluate the word and maybe have them try a 2nd or third time if they didn't get it right.
<br> <br>
Even more icing would be to make it fun on some level.
<br> <br>
There's lots of stuff out there but it's way more expensive and/or complex then just the simple computer program described used to augment traditional speech therapy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm almost ready to teach myself multimedia programming -- i 'd love to have a simple program that would show a picture of an object , say the name of the object ( " Say 'snake ' " ) and then record the child saying the word , then play it back for them to hear themselves saying it through headphones .
Icing would be if it could somehow evaluate the word and maybe have them try a 2nd or third time if they did n't get it right .
Even more icing would be to make it fun on some level .
There 's lots of stuff out there but it 's way more expensive and/or complex then just the simple computer program described used to augment traditional speech therapy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm almost ready to teach myself multimedia programming -- i'd love to have a simple program that would show a picture of an object, say the name of the object ("Say 'snake'") and then record the child saying the word, then play it back for them to hear themselves saying it through headphones.
Icing would be if it could somehow evaluate the word and maybe have them try a 2nd or third time if they didn't get it right.
Even more icing would be to make it fun on some level.
There's lots of stuff out there but it's way more expensive and/or complex then just the simple computer program described used to augment traditional speech therapy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29948474</id>
	<title>Re:It all depends</title>
	<author>Alexandra Erenhart</author>
	<datestamp>1257156420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't agree is better. Is different, but is not better. A lot of people hide behind the screen/mobile device and talk whatever smack they want, free of guilt because there are no consequences to what they say. Of course this only applies to interactions between two strangers. But you will never replace an actual face-to-face talk with another human, because 93\% of the conversation is transmitted via nonverbal communication (<a href="http://humanresources.about.com/od/interpersonalcommunicatio1/a/nonverbal\_com.htm" title="about.com">http://humanresources.about.com/od/interpersonalcommunicatio1/a/nonverbal\_com.htm</a> [about.com]). Just think about the tones we use when talking. They can really change the meaning of what someone's saying. You can't transmit that on a text.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't agree is better .
Is different , but is not better .
A lot of people hide behind the screen/mobile device and talk whatever smack they want , free of guilt because there are no consequences to what they say .
Of course this only applies to interactions between two strangers .
But you will never replace an actual face-to-face talk with another human , because 93 \ % of the conversation is transmitted via nonverbal communication ( http : //humanresources.about.com/od/interpersonalcommunicatio1/a/nonverbal \ _com.htm [ about.com ] ) .
Just think about the tones we use when talking .
They can really change the meaning of what someone 's saying .
You ca n't transmit that on a text .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't agree is better.
Is different, but is not better.
A lot of people hide behind the screen/mobile device and talk whatever smack they want, free of guilt because there are no consequences to what they say.
Of course this only applies to interactions between two strangers.
But you will never replace an actual face-to-face talk with another human, because 93\% of the conversation is transmitted via nonverbal communication (http://humanresources.about.com/od/interpersonalcommunicatio1/a/nonverbal\_com.htm [about.com]).
Just think about the tones we use when talking.
They can really change the meaning of what someone's saying.
You can't transmit that on a text.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29946148</id>
	<title>Re:When I have to phone a robot</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257085680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I gave up on speech recognition software after I got an iPaq with Dragon's command recognition software bundled.</p><p>The only command I could get it to reliably understand, and I kid you not, was the command to turn it off.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I gave up on speech recognition software after I got an iPaq with Dragon 's command recognition software bundled.The only command I could get it to reliably understand , and I kid you not , was the command to turn it off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I gave up on speech recognition software after I got an iPaq with Dragon's command recognition software bundled.The only command I could get it to reliably understand, and I kid you not, was the command to turn it off.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29945954</id>
	<title>Re:Video Games</title>
	<author>JeanBaptiste</author>
	<datestamp>1257084060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>my brother is autistic.  he always gets his money back from the hookers =/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>my brother is autistic .
he always gets his money back from the hookers = /</tokentext>
<sentencetext>my brother is autistic.
he always gets his money back from the hookers =/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29949832</id>
	<title>Re:Not to hijack, but I need something for a kid,</title>
	<author>leetrout</author>
	<datestamp>1257175140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I posted below...  I've created exactly what you described without the speech recording / processing.
<br> <br>
Check it out at <a href="http://www.2galsspeechproducts.com/" title="2galsspeechproducts.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.2galsspeechproducts.com/</a> [2galsspeechproducts.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I posted below... I 've created exactly what you described without the speech recording / processing .
Check it out at http : //www.2galsspeechproducts.com/ [ 2galsspeechproducts.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I posted below...  I've created exactly what you described without the speech recording / processing.
Check it out at http://www.2galsspeechproducts.com/ [2galsspeechproducts.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29945462</id>
	<title>Don't do anything</title>
	<author>Mr. Freeman</author>
	<datestamp>1257079020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>"some have no incentive to try and improve their speech."<br>If they have no incentive then don't bother with them.  If someone isn't willing to work at something then there's no point helping them, they're still going to fail.  If they have trouble getting employment, then that's an incentive right there.  You don't need to create incentives for someone who doesn't want to try.<br><br>If there isn't an incentive then there usually isn't a problem.  If they don't have trouble getting a job, don't have trouble working with people, don't want to talk to people online, then they're not likely to bother trying to improve their speech.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" some have no incentive to try and improve their speech .
" If they have no incentive then do n't bother with them .
If someone is n't willing to work at something then there 's no point helping them , they 're still going to fail .
If they have trouble getting employment , then that 's an incentive right there .
You do n't need to create incentives for someone who does n't want to try.If there is n't an incentive then there usually is n't a problem .
If they do n't have trouble getting a job , do n't have trouble working with people , do n't want to talk to people online , then they 're not likely to bother trying to improve their speech .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"some have no incentive to try and improve their speech.
"If they have no incentive then don't bother with them.
If someone isn't willing to work at something then there's no point helping them, they're still going to fail.
If they have trouble getting employment, then that's an incentive right there.
You don't need to create incentives for someone who doesn't want to try.If there isn't an incentive then there usually isn't a problem.
If they don't have trouble getting a job, don't have trouble working with people, don't want to talk to people online, then they're not likely to bother trying to improve their speech.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29946884</id>
	<title>Learning Fundamentals in San Luis Obispo, CA</title>
	<author>Brett Johnson</author>
	<datestamp>1257092340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Several years ago I did some software consulting for a company here in San Luis Obispo that developed such products.<br>
They develop software aimed at people with speech difficulties due to learning disability, hearing loss, or stroke.
<p>
<a href="http://www.learningfundamentals.com/" title="learningfundamentals.com">http://www.learningfundamentals.com/</a> [learningfundamentals.com]
</p><p>
It is a small outfit run by a very reasonable guy named John Scarry.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Several years ago I did some software consulting for a company here in San Luis Obispo that developed such products .
They develop software aimed at people with speech difficulties due to learning disability , hearing loss , or stroke .
http : //www.learningfundamentals.com/ [ learningfundamentals.com ] It is a small outfit run by a very reasonable guy named John Scarry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Several years ago I did some software consulting for a company here in San Luis Obispo that developed such products.
They develop software aimed at people with speech difficulties due to learning disability, hearing loss, or stroke.
http://www.learningfundamentals.com/ [learningfundamentals.com]

It is a small outfit run by a very reasonable guy named John Scarry.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29947350</id>
	<title>Re:It all depends</title>
	<author>jonaskoelker</author>
	<datestamp>1257097320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>'yes</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>'yes</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'yes</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29946174</id>
	<title>Random Idea: Rosetta Stone</title>
	<author>MBCook</author>
	<datestamp>1257085800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OK, this is a somewhat random idea. There are a few games that use speech input (some have already been mentioned), but they are usually very finicky for someone without any speech problems, so I would think they would be very frustrating for people who have trouble.
</p><p>So let me try a semi-random idea: what about Rosetta Stone?
</p><p>Everyone's pronunciation sucks when they start learning a new language. If you could find one they are interested in for whatever reason (French, Japanese, Spanish, Russian, whatever) they could learn that language. Not only would that be a useful skill, but they would have to work at the new pronunciations. As they get better at those, they will improve their ability to pronounce those same sounds in English. Actually, a language that sounds rather different from English may be better as everything they say, right or wrong, will sound "foreign" and thus be less likely to trigger embarrassment.
</p><p>The more of the language they learn, the more useful it becomes to them as they could talk to other people, watch TV/movies from a country that speaks that language, etc.
</p><p>I got quite a lot of reading practice from video games as a kid. If they are the kind that might be motivated to learn a new language, it could really work.
</p><p>By the time they decide "this is stupid", perhaps their speech will have improved enough for them to see it's worth while.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OK , this is a somewhat random idea .
There are a few games that use speech input ( some have already been mentioned ) , but they are usually very finicky for someone without any speech problems , so I would think they would be very frustrating for people who have trouble .
So let me try a semi-random idea : what about Rosetta Stone ?
Everyone 's pronunciation sucks when they start learning a new language .
If you could find one they are interested in for whatever reason ( French , Japanese , Spanish , Russian , whatever ) they could learn that language .
Not only would that be a useful skill , but they would have to work at the new pronunciations .
As they get better at those , they will improve their ability to pronounce those same sounds in English .
Actually , a language that sounds rather different from English may be better as everything they say , right or wrong , will sound " foreign " and thus be less likely to trigger embarrassment .
The more of the language they learn , the more useful it becomes to them as they could talk to other people , watch TV/movies from a country that speaks that language , etc .
I got quite a lot of reading practice from video games as a kid .
If they are the kind that might be motivated to learn a new language , it could really work .
By the time they decide " this is stupid " , perhaps their speech will have improved enough for them to see it 's worth while .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK, this is a somewhat random idea.
There are a few games that use speech input (some have already been mentioned), but they are usually very finicky for someone without any speech problems, so I would think they would be very frustrating for people who have trouble.
So let me try a semi-random idea: what about Rosetta Stone?
Everyone's pronunciation sucks when they start learning a new language.
If you could find one they are interested in for whatever reason (French, Japanese, Spanish, Russian, whatever) they could learn that language.
Not only would that be a useful skill, but they would have to work at the new pronunciations.
As they get better at those, they will improve their ability to pronounce those same sounds in English.
Actually, a language that sounds rather different from English may be better as everything they say, right or wrong, will sound "foreign" and thus be less likely to trigger embarrassment.
The more of the language they learn, the more useful it becomes to them as they could talk to other people, watch TV/movies from a country that speaks that language, etc.
I got quite a lot of reading practice from video games as a kid.
If they are the kind that might be motivated to learn a new language, it could really work.
By the time they decide "this is stupid", perhaps their speech will have improved enough for them to see it's worth while.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29945264</id>
	<title>Endwar</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257077400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Tom Clancy's Endwar. Have to speak clearly to control the RTS game, without the possible embarrassment of talking to real people in an online game.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Tom Clancy 's Endwar .
Have to speak clearly to control the RTS game , without the possible embarrassment of talking to real people in an online game .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tom Clancy's Endwar.
Have to speak clearly to control the RTS game, without the possible embarrassment of talking to real people in an online game.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29948360</id>
	<title>Re:When I have to phone a robot</title>
	<author>stephanruby</author>
	<datestamp>1257154080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Unless you want me to speak very loud and slow to everyone!</p></div></blockquote><p>
Whatever you do! Do not speak more slowly. </p><p>Americans actually swallow their words when they speak. If you're French (like me), then slowing your speech down will only have the opposite effect, you won't swallow your words, you'll enunciate them all too well, and that will only confuse the American person/telephone system even more. </p><p>When an American says to slow down your speech, it usually means they want you to elongate your syllables (so that each syllable has two beats just like in Jazz music, whereas in French or in Chinese many syllables are just one short beat). </p><p>Not that I expect the guys who need to understand this to actually understand what I'm saying. This stuff is not easy to explain.

</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unless you want me to speak very loud and slow to everyone !
Whatever you do !
Do not speak more slowly .
Americans actually swallow their words when they speak .
If you 're French ( like me ) , then slowing your speech down will only have the opposite effect , you wo n't swallow your words , you 'll enunciate them all too well , and that will only confuse the American person/telephone system even more .
When an American says to slow down your speech , it usually means they want you to elongate your syllables ( so that each syllable has two beats just like in Jazz music , whereas in French or in Chinese many syllables are just one short beat ) .
Not that I expect the guys who need to understand this to actually understand what I 'm saying .
This stuff is not easy to explain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unless you want me to speak very loud and slow to everyone!
Whatever you do!
Do not speak more slowly.
Americans actually swallow their words when they speak.
If you're French (like me), then slowing your speech down will only have the opposite effect, you won't swallow your words, you'll enunciate them all too well, and that will only confuse the American person/telephone system even more.
When an American says to slow down your speech, it usually means they want you to elongate your syllables (so that each syllable has two beats just like in Jazz music, whereas in French or in Chinese many syllables are just one short beat).
Not that I expect the guys who need to understand this to actually understand what I'm saying.
This stuff is not easy to explain.


	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29952394</id>
	<title>Re:Video Games</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257187860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What type of video games does he play?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What type of video games does he play ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What type of video games does he play?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29946216</id>
	<title>Computer-assisted language learning</title>
	<author>yaoziyuan</author>
	<datestamp>1257086160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Some of my computer-assisted language learning (CALL) ideas on <a href="http://sites.google.com/site/yaoziyuan/ideas" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">http://sites.google.com/site/yaoziyuan/ideas</a> [google.com] can also benefit native speakers. For example:<br> <br>Orthography-Enhanced English (OEE) - Sometimes spelling a word based on its pronunciation can be hard, even for native speakers. For example, is it Lawrence or Lawrance? We can slightly change a word's visual form to help recall its correct spelling. For example, when the computer displays a word that has the -ance suffix (e.g. instance), it can lower the letter a to some degree, just like Intel has a trademark "intel" with a lowered e. Such a new visual form can help people recall that the unclear letter in inst?nce is a because a is always lowered in -ance while e is never lowered in -ence.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some of my computer-assisted language learning ( CALL ) ideas on http : //sites.google.com/site/yaoziyuan/ideas [ google.com ] can also benefit native speakers .
For example : Orthography-Enhanced English ( OEE ) - Sometimes spelling a word based on its pronunciation can be hard , even for native speakers .
For example , is it Lawrence or Lawrance ?
We can slightly change a word 's visual form to help recall its correct spelling .
For example , when the computer displays a word that has the -ance suffix ( e.g .
instance ) , it can lower the letter a to some degree , just like Intel has a trademark " intel " with a lowered e. Such a new visual form can help people recall that the unclear letter in inst ? nce is a because a is always lowered in -ance while e is never lowered in -ence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some of my computer-assisted language learning (CALL) ideas on http://sites.google.com/site/yaoziyuan/ideas [google.com] can also benefit native speakers.
For example: Orthography-Enhanced English (OEE) - Sometimes spelling a word based on its pronunciation can be hard, even for native speakers.
For example, is it Lawrence or Lawrance?
We can slightly change a word's visual form to help recall its correct spelling.
For example, when the computer displays a word that has the -ance suffix (e.g.
instance), it can lower the letter a to some degree, just like Intel has a trademark "intel" with a lowered e. Such a new visual form can help people recall that the unclear letter in inst?nce is a because a is always lowered in -ance while e is never lowered in -ence.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29950206</id>
	<title>Re:Not to hijack, but I need something for a kid,</title>
	<author>simoncpu was here</author>
	<datestamp>1257177300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was about to mod you up, but I guess it's useful to reply instead.
<br> <br>
I'm a stutterer and one of the problems that I've encountered is the lack of open source software for Delayed Auditory Feedback/Frequency Altered Feedback (DAF/FAF).  DAF/FAF reduces stuttering to a certain degree.
<br> <br>
There is a need for a free Linux (or even Windows mobile) DAF/FAF software.  If such free software exists, stutterers can simply install it on their PDAs (Angstrom Linux, anyone?), and connect it to a headphone.  PDAs are much cheaper and useful than DAF/FAF hardware.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was about to mod you up , but I guess it 's useful to reply instead .
I 'm a stutterer and one of the problems that I 've encountered is the lack of open source software for Delayed Auditory Feedback/Frequency Altered Feedback ( DAF/FAF ) .
DAF/FAF reduces stuttering to a certain degree .
There is a need for a free Linux ( or even Windows mobile ) DAF/FAF software .
If such free software exists , stutterers can simply install it on their PDAs ( Angstrom Linux , anyone ?
) , and connect it to a headphone .
PDAs are much cheaper and useful than DAF/FAF hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was about to mod you up, but I guess it's useful to reply instead.
I'm a stutterer and one of the problems that I've encountered is the lack of open source software for Delayed Auditory Feedback/Frequency Altered Feedback (DAF/FAF).
DAF/FAF reduces stuttering to a certain degree.
There is a need for a free Linux (or even Windows mobile) DAF/FAF software.
If such free software exists, stutterers can simply install it on their PDAs (Angstrom Linux, anyone?
), and connect it to a headphone.
PDAs are much cheaper and useful than DAF/FAF hardware.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29946744</id>
	<title>Re:Not to hijack, but I need something for a kid,</title>
	<author>buchner.johannes</author>
	<datestamp>1257090900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>hint: "Praat Language Lab was developed to help students and language teachers learn to use the Praat software to improve spoken English. Many colleges and universities use Praat to provide visual feedback to spoken sound."<br>apply google with hint</p><p>If the program is too complex, the problem may be complex.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>hint : " Praat Language Lab was developed to help students and language teachers learn to use the Praat software to improve spoken English .
Many colleges and universities use Praat to provide visual feedback to spoken sound .
" apply google with hintIf the program is too complex , the problem may be complex .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>hint: "Praat Language Lab was developed to help students and language teachers learn to use the Praat software to improve spoken English.
Many colleges and universities use Praat to provide visual feedback to spoken sound.
"apply google with hintIf the program is too complex, the problem may be complex.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29945358</id>
	<title>No Incentive</title>
	<author>perlhacker14</author>
	<datestamp>1257078240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As someone going through this sort of therapy, I can tell you that if an individual has no incentive or desire, there is absolutely no point in trying.<br>Game team talk type things might help, but only if they have issues with that kind of situation. There is no substitute for real life trials.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As someone going through this sort of therapy , I can tell you that if an individual has no incentive or desire , there is absolutely no point in trying.Game team talk type things might help , but only if they have issues with that kind of situation .
There is no substitute for real life trials .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As someone going through this sort of therapy, I can tell you that if an individual has no incentive or desire, there is absolutely no point in trying.Game team talk type things might help, but only if they have issues with that kind of situation.
There is no substitute for real life trials.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29946042</id>
	<title>must at least have a hand</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257084780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Masturbation is a great one</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Masturbation is a great one</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Masturbation is a great one</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29947684</id>
	<title>frqist pSot</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257100380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>quarreled on being GAY NIGGERS. it.  Do not share of the founders of GAY NIIGERS from ME! It's official halt. Even Emacs</htmltext>
<tokenext>quarreled on being GAY NIGGERS .
it. Do not share of the founders of GAY NIIGERS from ME !
It 's official halt .
Even Emacs</tokentext>
<sentencetext>quarreled on being GAY NIGGERS.
it.  Do not share of the founders of GAY NIIGERS from ME!
It's official halt.
Even Emacs</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29948580</id>
	<title>Speech and language difficulties, rings a bell...</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1257158400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here are some useful links for people with speech and language difficulties:

</p><p>
<a href="http://twitter.com/" title="twitter.com">Twitter</a> [twitter.com] <br>
<a href="http://www.myspace.com/" title="myspace.com">MySpace</a> [myspace.com] <br>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/" title="youtube.com">YouTube</a> [youtube.com] (comments section)<br>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Text\_messaging" title="wikipedia.org">Text Messaging</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here are some useful links for people with speech and language difficulties : Twitter [ twitter.com ] MySpace [ myspace.com ] YouTube [ youtube.com ] ( comments section ) Text Messaging [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here are some useful links for people with speech and language difficulties:


Twitter [twitter.com] 
MySpace [myspace.com] 
YouTube [youtube.com] (comments section)
Text Messaging [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29951096</id>
	<title>Perthpective</title>
	<author>DynaSoar</author>
	<datestamp>1257181860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"for a variety of reasons some have no incentive to try and improve their speech."</p><p>Their problem isn't speech impairment (though they may have some), it's motivation. Don't coddle them with the games they like so much, it will only encourage them. As each of these problem children come to a session, present them with their discharge papers with a sticky note next to the signature line that says SIGN HERE, and a bag of dry dog food (kibbles to you folks in the UK) with a note that says "Get used to it, if you refuse to participate in therapy you lose your disability payments." Either they'll come around, or they'll free up the slot for someone else who'll try harder.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" for a variety of reasons some have no incentive to try and improve their speech .
" Their problem is n't speech impairment ( though they may have some ) , it 's motivation .
Do n't coddle them with the games they like so much , it will only encourage them .
As each of these problem children come to a session , present them with their discharge papers with a sticky note next to the signature line that says SIGN HERE , and a bag of dry dog food ( kibbles to you folks in the UK ) with a note that says " Get used to it , if you refuse to participate in therapy you lose your disability payments .
" Either they 'll come around , or they 'll free up the slot for someone else who 'll try harder .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"for a variety of reasons some have no incentive to try and improve their speech.
"Their problem isn't speech impairment (though they may have some), it's motivation.
Don't coddle them with the games they like so much, it will only encourage them.
As each of these problem children come to a session, present them with their discharge papers with a sticky note next to the signature line that says SIGN HERE, and a bag of dry dog food (kibbles to you folks in the UK) with a note that says "Get used to it, if you refuse to participate in therapy you lose your disability payments.
" Either they'll come around, or they'll free up the slot for someone else who'll try harder.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29945536</id>
	<title>You mean like marketing people</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257079680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just wondering...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just wondering.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just wondering...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2145208.29946270</id>
	<title>Speech Software</title>
	<author>JScarry</author>
	<datestamp>1257086700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We've been selling speech software since 1994 that seems to do what you are asking for. Basically we show a picture and say a word. phrase, sound, sentence, and an exaggerated version of the word. The student repeats the sounds and compares their version to ours. It's simple but it works.

Most of our users are kids, but adults who have had strokes or head injuries use it too. Our website is at
<a href="http://www.learningfundamentals.com/" title="learningfundamentals.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.learningfundamentals.com/</a> [learningfundamentals.com]

You can check out the software, without the recording part, in the Exercises section.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We 've been selling speech software since 1994 that seems to do what you are asking for .
Basically we show a picture and say a word .
phrase , sound , sentence , and an exaggerated version of the word .
The student repeats the sounds and compares their version to ours .
It 's simple but it works .
Most of our users are kids , but adults who have had strokes or head injuries use it too .
Our website is at http : //www.learningfundamentals.com/ [ learningfundamentals.com ] You can check out the software , without the recording part , in the Exercises section .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We've been selling speech software since 1994 that seems to do what you are asking for.
Basically we show a picture and say a word.
phrase, sound, sentence, and an exaggerated version of the word.
The student repeats the sounds and compares their version to ours.
It's simple but it works.
Most of our users are kids, but adults who have had strokes or head injuries use it too.
Our website is at
http://www.learningfundamentals.com/ [learningfundamentals.com]

You can check out the software, without the recording part, in the Exercises section.</sentencetext>
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