<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_01_2033242</id>
	<title>Appeal For Commuter GPS Logs To Aid Electric Cars</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1257064920000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.newscientist.com/" rel="nofollow">holy\_calamity</a> writes <i>"A team at Carnegie Mellon University has begun a project seeking to design a kit to <a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20427325.400-clever-chopped-cars-promise-cheap-electric-commuting.html">cheaply convert secondhand cars into cheap, electric ones suitable for commuting</a>, if little else. They hope to rely heavily on smart management software to extract as much efficiency as possible from regenerative braking, and knowledge of terrain from GPS tracking. But they are hampered by a lack of public data on how commuters actually drive. Their solution is to appeal to GPS users to <a href="http://chargecar.org/participate">upload .gpx log files of their commute to the team's site</a>. The data is plugged into a simulator that reveals how much cheaper an electric car could do your journey, and an anonymized public dataset will be created. <a href="http://chargecar.org/invent">A programming contest</a> will award a production electric car to the coder who designs the best management algorithm using it."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>holy \ _calamity writes " A team at Carnegie Mellon University has begun a project seeking to design a kit to cheaply convert secondhand cars into cheap , electric ones suitable for commuting , if little else .
They hope to rely heavily on smart management software to extract as much efficiency as possible from regenerative braking , and knowledge of terrain from GPS tracking .
But they are hampered by a lack of public data on how commuters actually drive .
Their solution is to appeal to GPS users to upload .gpx log files of their commute to the team 's site .
The data is plugged into a simulator that reveals how much cheaper an electric car could do your journey , and an anonymized public dataset will be created .
A programming contest will award a production electric car to the coder who designs the best management algorithm using it .
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<sentencetext>holy\_calamity writes "A team at Carnegie Mellon University has begun a project seeking to design a kit to cheaply convert secondhand cars into cheap, electric ones suitable for commuting, if little else.
They hope to rely heavily on smart management software to extract as much efficiency as possible from regenerative braking, and knowledge of terrain from GPS tracking.
But they are hampered by a lack of public data on how commuters actually drive.
Their solution is to appeal to GPS users to upload .gpx log files of their commute to the team's site.
The data is plugged into a simulator that reveals how much cheaper an electric car could do your journey, and an anonymized public dataset will be created.
A programming contest will award a production electric car to the coder who designs the best management algorithm using it.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29944484</id>
	<title>Re:Anonymized Travel Data</title>
	<author>wizardforce</author>
	<datestamp>1257071580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>*remove the end points of the journey and use the data between the end points.<br>*separate the movement data from other data; they don't need to connect a car to its data as it probably isn't needed to determine general commuter habits.  If they somehow need to connect a car to its journey they can generalize to its model or assign a randomised alphanumerical tag to it instead of someone's name etc..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>* remove the end points of the journey and use the data between the end points .
* separate the movement data from other data ; they do n't need to connect a car to its data as it probably is n't needed to determine general commuter habits .
If they somehow need to connect a car to its journey they can generalize to its model or assign a randomised alphanumerical tag to it instead of someone 's name etc. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>*remove the end points of the journey and use the data between the end points.
*separate the movement data from other data; they don't need to connect a car to its data as it probably isn't needed to determine general commuter habits.
If they somehow need to connect a car to its journey they can generalize to its model or assign a randomised alphanumerical tag to it instead of someone's name etc..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29944082</id>
	<title>Regenerative breaking?</title>
	<author>Shadyman</author>
	<datestamp>1257068940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is that where they break, and then fix themselves?<br> <br> <i>I am Car of Borg. You will be assimilated.</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is that where they break , and then fix themselves ?
I am Car of Borg .
You will be assimilated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is that where they break, and then fix themselves?
I am Car of Borg.
You will be assimilated.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29944214</id>
	<title>Anonymized Travel Data</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257069840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ok, so maybe someone can help me out here, but how exactly do you anonymize travel data?</p><p>I mean sure, psuedo anonymized could be fairly easily done, just take the raw data, match with topographical data, and output the combined result devoid of geographic representations.<br>But even that wouldn't be anonymized to anyone who's looking for info on a specific area, since the data would all be similar and it wouldn't be hard to detect a route that goes through a given set of terrain, especially if the start or stop points (someone's house/parking garage) is known.</p><p>So someone who's more in-the-know with anonymizing data sets of this or similar nature able to shed some light on this?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok , so maybe someone can help me out here , but how exactly do you anonymize travel data ? I mean sure , psuedo anonymized could be fairly easily done , just take the raw data , match with topographical data , and output the combined result devoid of geographic representations.But even that would n't be anonymized to anyone who 's looking for info on a specific area , since the data would all be similar and it would n't be hard to detect a route that goes through a given set of terrain , especially if the start or stop points ( someone 's house/parking garage ) is known.So someone who 's more in-the-know with anonymizing data sets of this or similar nature able to shed some light on this ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok, so maybe someone can help me out here, but how exactly do you anonymize travel data?I mean sure, psuedo anonymized could be fairly easily done, just take the raw data, match with topographical data, and output the combined result devoid of geographic representations.But even that wouldn't be anonymized to anyone who's looking for info on a specific area, since the data would all be similar and it wouldn't be hard to detect a route that goes through a given set of terrain, especially if the start or stop points (someone's house/parking garage) is known.So someone who's more in-the-know with anonymizing data sets of this or similar nature able to shed some light on this?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29944422</id>
	<title>So retrofitting batteries...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257071100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>and the whole electric drive-train, is going to be cheaper than paying for gas?
<br> <br>I'm having a hard time believing that, but I suppose it depends how much you drive.
<br> <br>Hell, wouldn't it be cheaper to buy a new electric than to retrofit it?</htmltext>
<tokenext>and the whole electric drive-train , is going to be cheaper than paying for gas ?
I 'm having a hard time believing that , but I suppose it depends how much you drive .
Hell , would n't it be cheaper to buy a new electric than to retrofit it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and the whole electric drive-train, is going to be cheaper than paying for gas?
I'm having a hard time believing that, but I suppose it depends how much you drive.
Hell, wouldn't it be cheaper to buy a new electric than to retrofit it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29946576</id>
	<title>A little real influence?</title>
	<author>russotto</author>
	<datestamp>1257089460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So if enough people upload a commute including hard braking, hard acceration, high-G turns, and sections well over 100mph, will that cause them to design an electric car with some serious power?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So if enough people upload a commute including hard braking , hard acceration , high-G turns , and sections well over 100mph , will that cause them to design an electric car with some serious power ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So if enough people upload a commute including hard braking, hard acceration, high-G turns, and sections well over 100mph, will that cause them to design an electric car with some serious power?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29945266</id>
	<title>Requires Cheap Batteries First</title>
	<author>KalvinB</author>
	<datestamp>1257077400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>According to <a href="http://www.sahkoautot.fi/eng:faq#toc3" title="sahkoautot.fi">http://www.sahkoautot.fi/eng:faq#toc3</a> [sahkoautot.fi], lithium batteries will last for about 125,000 miles.  What nobody wants to talk about is the price of replacing them.  They just want to talk about how "cheap" it is to charge them.  Articles just assume that by the time you need to replace them, surely cheaper and better batteries will be available.  I've heard estimates of about $10,000 for replacing the batteries in an electric vehicle.  So that's 8 cents per mile times 30 miles per gallon that conventional engines get for the same size vehicle which is $2.40.  So pretty much zero savings.</p><p>My Versa gets around 36mpg which bumps the cost per gallon of the electric up to $2.88 which is about 30 cents more than fuel in my area.  And that doesn't include the cost of electricity needed to charge the batteries.</p><p>Electric cars simply cannot beat the economics of a small commuter car.  Until they get the price and performance of rechargeable batteries well below the cost of regular gas there's no financial incentive to buy an electric car.  They need to do far better than 8 cents per mile for electric.  I'm not going to spend $20,000+ on a car just to have electric when I'm saving no money per mile and could have spent $10,000 less on standard car AND saved money on getting where I want to go.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>According to http : //www.sahkoautot.fi/eng : faq # toc3 [ sahkoautot.fi ] , lithium batteries will last for about 125,000 miles .
What nobody wants to talk about is the price of replacing them .
They just want to talk about how " cheap " it is to charge them .
Articles just assume that by the time you need to replace them , surely cheaper and better batteries will be available .
I 've heard estimates of about $ 10,000 for replacing the batteries in an electric vehicle .
So that 's 8 cents per mile times 30 miles per gallon that conventional engines get for the same size vehicle which is $ 2.40 .
So pretty much zero savings.My Versa gets around 36mpg which bumps the cost per gallon of the electric up to $ 2.88 which is about 30 cents more than fuel in my area .
And that does n't include the cost of electricity needed to charge the batteries.Electric cars simply can not beat the economics of a small commuter car .
Until they get the price and performance of rechargeable batteries well below the cost of regular gas there 's no financial incentive to buy an electric car .
They need to do far better than 8 cents per mile for electric .
I 'm not going to spend $ 20,000 + on a car just to have electric when I 'm saving no money per mile and could have spent $ 10,000 less on standard car AND saved money on getting where I want to go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to http://www.sahkoautot.fi/eng:faq#toc3 [sahkoautot.fi], lithium batteries will last for about 125,000 miles.
What nobody wants to talk about is the price of replacing them.
They just want to talk about how "cheap" it is to charge them.
Articles just assume that by the time you need to replace them, surely cheaper and better batteries will be available.
I've heard estimates of about $10,000 for replacing the batteries in an electric vehicle.
So that's 8 cents per mile times 30 miles per gallon that conventional engines get for the same size vehicle which is $2.40.
So pretty much zero savings.My Versa gets around 36mpg which bumps the cost per gallon of the electric up to $2.88 which is about 30 cents more than fuel in my area.
And that doesn't include the cost of electricity needed to charge the batteries.Electric cars simply cannot beat the economics of a small commuter car.
Until they get the price and performance of rechargeable batteries well below the cost of regular gas there's no financial incentive to buy an electric car.
They need to do far better than 8 cents per mile for electric.
I'm not going to spend $20,000+ on a car just to have electric when I'm saving no money per mile and could have spent $10,000 less on standard car AND saved money on getting where I want to go.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29944302</id>
	<title>Good in theory</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257070320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In theory, this is a good idea, but I do not think it will work that way. I have yet to see a specialized, 35+ mph, 10+ year lifespan (important for resale value) car that will cost under $10K. A basic, 30+ mpg car can be had under $12K. A basic plug in hybrid (Prius?) will likely go under $25K (without extra batteries), and get pretty good mileage as is.</p><p>I expect in the near future, there will be plug in hybrids with a variable amount of batteries. People will go to a car dealer and buy (or rent) the plug in hybrid without range extending batteries. They will drive around and see how many kwh they use up. Based on that, the buyer will buy the amount of kwh in batteries they feel they need. If they drive long distances, the buyer may skip the the plug in hybrid altogether and buy a diesel instead.</p><p>I think the average public's intelligence is being underestimated when it comes for the potential to save money.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In theory , this is a good idea , but I do not think it will work that way .
I have yet to see a specialized , 35 + mph , 10 + year lifespan ( important for resale value ) car that will cost under $ 10K .
A basic , 30 + mpg car can be had under $ 12K .
A basic plug in hybrid ( Prius ?
) will likely go under $ 25K ( without extra batteries ) , and get pretty good mileage as is.I expect in the near future , there will be plug in hybrids with a variable amount of batteries .
People will go to a car dealer and buy ( or rent ) the plug in hybrid without range extending batteries .
They will drive around and see how many kwh they use up .
Based on that , the buyer will buy the amount of kwh in batteries they feel they need .
If they drive long distances , the buyer may skip the the plug in hybrid altogether and buy a diesel instead.I think the average public 's intelligence is being underestimated when it comes for the potential to save money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In theory, this is a good idea, but I do not think it will work that way.
I have yet to see a specialized, 35+ mph, 10+ year lifespan (important for resale value) car that will cost under $10K.
A basic, 30+ mpg car can be had under $12K.
A basic plug in hybrid (Prius?
) will likely go under $25K (without extra batteries), and get pretty good mileage as is.I expect in the near future, there will be plug in hybrids with a variable amount of batteries.
People will go to a car dealer and buy (or rent) the plug in hybrid without range extending batteries.
They will drive around and see how many kwh they use up.
Based on that, the buyer will buy the amount of kwh in batteries they feel they need.
If they drive long distances, the buyer may skip the the plug in hybrid altogether and buy a diesel instead.I think the average public's intelligence is being underestimated when it comes for the potential to save money.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29946152</id>
	<title>Car pool lane?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257085680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They want real commuters' data. Here in California, EVs can use the carpool lane, which makes these data totally irrelevant. Am I missing anything?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They want real commuters ' data .
Here in California , EVs can use the carpool lane , which makes these data totally irrelevant .
Am I missing anything ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They want real commuters' data.
Here in California, EVs can use the carpool lane, which makes these data totally irrelevant.
Am I missing anything?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29944674</id>
	<title>Re:Anonymized Travel Data</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1257072840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Ok, so maybe someone can help me out here, but how exactly do you anonymize travel data?</i></p><p>You have a table of GPS tracks. And you have a table of cars. And the two tables have no columns in-common that could be used to join the data.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok , so maybe someone can help me out here , but how exactly do you anonymize travel data ? You have a table of GPS tracks .
And you have a table of cars .
And the two tables have no columns in-common that could be used to join the data .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok, so maybe someone can help me out here, but how exactly do you anonymize travel data?You have a table of GPS tracks.
And you have a table of cars.
And the two tables have no columns in-common that could be used to join the data.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29945948</id>
	<title>Re:Regenerative breaking?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257084000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>But regenerative <b>breaking</b><br>is an incredible energy saving technology.</p></div><p>Homophone Fail.</p><p>And I believe a WHOOSH too.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>When the car <b>brakes</b> the electromagnetics are turned on, and the generator starts converting the momentum of the car, back into electrical energy.</p></div><p>RIGHT.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Regenerative <b>breaking</b> makes the difference between eletric automobiles being a pipe dream, and an efficient inner city car.</p></div><p>WRONG.</p><p>It's not funny if you have to explain it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But regenerative breakingis an incredible energy saving technology.Homophone Fail.And I believe a WHOOSH too.When the car brakes the electromagnetics are turned on , and the generator starts converting the momentum of the car , back into electrical energy.RIGHT.Regenerative breaking makes the difference between eletric automobiles being a pipe dream , and an efficient inner city car.WRONG.It 's not funny if you have to explain it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But regenerative breakingis an incredible energy saving technology.Homophone Fail.And I believe a WHOOSH too.When the car brakes the electromagnetics are turned on, and the generator starts converting the momentum of the car, back into electrical energy.RIGHT.Regenerative breaking makes the difference between eletric automobiles being a pipe dream, and an efficient inner city car.WRONG.It's not funny if you have to explain it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29945378</id>
	<title>Re:CMU can pay for it.</title>
	<author>tkrotchko</author>
	<datestamp>1257078420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, once would have to wonder if CMU produces any IP as a result of this free data, would they release all copyrights and patents for free?</p><p>Or is that different?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , once would have to wonder if CMU produces any IP as a result of this free data , would they release all copyrights and patents for free ? Or is that different ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, once would have to wonder if CMU produces any IP as a result of this free data, would they release all copyrights and patents for free?Or is that different?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29944628</id>
	<title>Re:CMU can pay for it.</title>
	<author>smoker2</author>
	<datestamp>1257072480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ah, truth, justice and the american way. How refreshing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah , truth , justice and the american way .
How refreshing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah, truth, justice and the american way.
How refreshing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29944640</id>
	<title>Slightly related, open source electric cars</title>
	<author>Aggrajag</author>
	<datestamp>1257072540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been following the progress of a Finnish electric car project:</p><p>Quote:<br>"we are offering the open source blueprints of the electric conversion kits globally and leave the manufacturing of the kits to the markets"</p><p><a href="http://www.sahkoautot.fi/eng" title="sahkoautot.fi">http://www.sahkoautot.fi/eng</a> [sahkoautot.fi]<br><a href="http://ecars-now.wikidot.com/" title="wikidot.com">http://ecars-now.wikidot.com/</a> [wikidot.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been following the progress of a Finnish electric car project : Quote : " we are offering the open source blueprints of the electric conversion kits globally and leave the manufacturing of the kits to the markets " http : //www.sahkoautot.fi/eng [ sahkoautot.fi ] http : //ecars-now.wikidot.com/ [ wikidot.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been following the progress of a Finnish electric car project:Quote:"we are offering the open source blueprints of the electric conversion kits globally and leave the manufacturing of the kits to the markets"http://www.sahkoautot.fi/eng [sahkoautot.fi]http://ecars-now.wikidot.com/ [wikidot.com]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29962372</id>
	<title>Re:Kit conversion using low tech. sounds good</title>
	<author>ickleberry</author>
	<datestamp>1257257040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>autonomous vehicles and aggressive ride sharing are boring and actually a technology i dont look forward to at all. i'd rather drive a modified milk float with lead acid batteries to be honest.</htmltext>
<tokenext>autonomous vehicles and aggressive ride sharing are boring and actually a technology i dont look forward to at all .
i 'd rather drive a modified milk float with lead acid batteries to be honest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>autonomous vehicles and aggressive ride sharing are boring and actually a technology i dont look forward to at all.
i'd rather drive a modified milk float with lead acid batteries to be honest.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29947774</id>
	<title>Re:So retrofitting batteries...</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1257101640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One problem with the idea is that used cars aren't worth shit by the time the drivetrain is worn out.</p><p>Another is shoehorning a replacement drivetrain and battery pack into a car not designed for it in a crashworthy manner. There is no reason to put a "new" drivetrain in most used cars, typical practice is to install a used drivetrain out of a wreck.</p><p>As a mechanic, I'd have to say the project will be fun with someone else paying for it but is a waste of time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One problem with the idea is that used cars are n't worth shit by the time the drivetrain is worn out.Another is shoehorning a replacement drivetrain and battery pack into a car not designed for it in a crashworthy manner .
There is no reason to put a " new " drivetrain in most used cars , typical practice is to install a used drivetrain out of a wreck.As a mechanic , I 'd have to say the project will be fun with someone else paying for it but is a waste of time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One problem with the idea is that used cars aren't worth shit by the time the drivetrain is worn out.Another is shoehorning a replacement drivetrain and battery pack into a car not designed for it in a crashworthy manner.
There is no reason to put a "new" drivetrain in most used cars, typical practice is to install a used drivetrain out of a wreck.As a mechanic, I'd have to say the project will be fun with someone else paying for it but is a waste of time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29947588</id>
	<title>Re:Anonymized Travel Data</title>
	<author>mce</author>
	<datestamp>1257099600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just deleting start and end of each trip is not good enough. Especially not if they just delete<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.1 of a mile at each end. Doing that still allows someone with sufficient access to the data to combine "likely trip combinations" and derive hidden information. To do it properly they'd need to cut all trips into anonymous pieces at fixed way points such that an onlooker cannot know whether any given car that came from A-Ville went on to B-Village or C-City. The level of granularity at which this needs to be done, would - amongst others - depend on the expected average trip length in the database.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just deleting start and end of each trip is not good enough .
Especially not if they just delete .1 of a mile at each end .
Doing that still allows someone with sufficient access to the data to combine " likely trip combinations " and derive hidden information .
To do it properly they 'd need to cut all trips into anonymous pieces at fixed way points such that an onlooker can not know whether any given car that came from A-Ville went on to B-Village or C-City .
The level of granularity at which this needs to be done , would - amongst others - depend on the expected average trip length in the database .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just deleting start and end of each trip is not good enough.
Especially not if they just delete .1 of a mile at each end.
Doing that still allows someone with sufficient access to the data to combine "likely trip combinations" and derive hidden information.
To do it properly they'd need to cut all trips into anonymous pieces at fixed way points such that an onlooker cannot know whether any given car that came from A-Ville went on to B-Village or C-City.
The level of granularity at which this needs to be done, would - amongst others - depend on the expected average trip length in the database.
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29949288</id>
	<title>Re:Regenerative breaking?</title>
	<author>bwalling</author>
	<datestamp>1257170340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, regenerative breaking is when the product is made with cheap parts and fails shortly after warranty expiration, thus ensuring that you will regenerate revenue for the manufacturer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , regenerative breaking is when the product is made with cheap parts and fails shortly after warranty expiration , thus ensuring that you will regenerate revenue for the manufacturer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, regenerative breaking is when the product is made with cheap parts and fails shortly after warranty expiration, thus ensuring that you will regenerate revenue for the manufacturer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29944350</id>
	<title>Re:Braking</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257070560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakin'" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Breakin'</a> [wikipedia.org]?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Breakin ' [ wikipedia.org ] ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Breakin' [wikipedia.org]?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29944454</id>
	<title>Re:Anonymized Travel Data</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257071340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think they answer this on their site:  <a href="http://chargecar.org/privacy" title="chargecar.org" rel="nofollow">http://chargecar.org/privacy</a> [chargecar.org]</p><p>Two passages jump out:</p><p>"To further ensure your privacy, the first and last tenth of a mile of every commute is automatically removed before it is saved to our servers, and no data from those omitted portions is retained."</p><p>and</p><p>"ChargeCar will also not disclose your position data to anyone and it will be used strictly for research purposes. Search capabilities are only as low as the city level. The only information that ChargeCar will share are velocities and altitudes over time, separated from the positional data you submit. "</p><p>Now, it isn't clear that they won't keep the positional data after they extract the velocities/altitudes, but they say they won't share it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think they answer this on their site : http : //chargecar.org/privacy [ chargecar.org ] Two passages jump out : " To further ensure your privacy , the first and last tenth of a mile of every commute is automatically removed before it is saved to our servers , and no data from those omitted portions is retained .
" and " ChargeCar will also not disclose your position data to anyone and it will be used strictly for research purposes .
Search capabilities are only as low as the city level .
The only information that ChargeCar will share are velocities and altitudes over time , separated from the positional data you submit .
" Now , it is n't clear that they wo n't keep the positional data after they extract the velocities/altitudes , but they say they wo n't share it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think they answer this on their site:  http://chargecar.org/privacy [chargecar.org]Two passages jump out:"To further ensure your privacy, the first and last tenth of a mile of every commute is automatically removed before it is saved to our servers, and no data from those omitted portions is retained.
"and"ChargeCar will also not disclose your position data to anyone and it will be used strictly for research purposes.
Search capabilities are only as low as the city level.
The only information that ChargeCar will share are velocities and altitudes over time, separated from the positional data you submit.
"Now, it isn't clear that they won't keep the positional data after they extract the velocities/altitudes, but they say they won't share it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29944176</id>
	<title>TomTom</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257069540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>TomTom have being collecting this data for ages, to produce their IQ Routes:</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; http://www.tomtom.com/page/iq-routes</p><p>Maybe they would cooperate with CMU - did they ask ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>TomTom have being collecting this data for ages , to produce their IQ Routes :     http : //www.tomtom.com/page/iq-routesMaybe they would cooperate with CMU - did they ask ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TomTom have being collecting this data for ages, to produce their IQ Routes:
    http://www.tomtom.com/page/iq-routesMaybe they would cooperate with CMU - did they ask ?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29948374</id>
	<title>Kit conversion using low tech. sounds good</title>
	<author>beachdog</author>
	<datestamp>1257154380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have two conflicting feelings about electrical conversions.</p><p>First, I have an aging Dodge Caravan that I use to commute 22 miles every day. I'd love to remove the engine and drop in an electrification kit of components. But it is still one guy in one oversize car. And the whole stupidity of driving 22 miles to do the modest job that I do? This society needs it's employment location matrix annealed.</p><p>Second, a little birdie in the back of my head says no, the future needs autonomous vehicles, aggressive ride sharing, collision avoidance radar, vehicle scheduling to eliminate stops, and ride systems based on cell phones talking to passing vehicles.</p><p>Plus, the society needs it's matrix of jobs and worker-locations annealed so that everybody gets a chance to work close to home.</p><p>The underlying vehicles can be a mechanical zoo.  But I can see a 50\% reduction in commuter CO2 emitting miles simply by raising the load factor in commuter vehicles from ~1 rider per car to ~2.5 riders per car.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have two conflicting feelings about electrical conversions.First , I have an aging Dodge Caravan that I use to commute 22 miles every day .
I 'd love to remove the engine and drop in an electrification kit of components .
But it is still one guy in one oversize car .
And the whole stupidity of driving 22 miles to do the modest job that I do ?
This society needs it 's employment location matrix annealed.Second , a little birdie in the back of my head says no , the future needs autonomous vehicles , aggressive ride sharing , collision avoidance radar , vehicle scheduling to eliminate stops , and ride systems based on cell phones talking to passing vehicles.Plus , the society needs it 's matrix of jobs and worker-locations annealed so that everybody gets a chance to work close to home.The underlying vehicles can be a mechanical zoo .
But I can see a 50 \ % reduction in commuter CO2 emitting miles simply by raising the load factor in commuter vehicles from ~ 1 rider per car to ~ 2.5 riders per car .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have two conflicting feelings about electrical conversions.First, I have an aging Dodge Caravan that I use to commute 22 miles every day.
I'd love to remove the engine and drop in an electrification kit of components.
But it is still one guy in one oversize car.
And the whole stupidity of driving 22 miles to do the modest job that I do?
This society needs it's employment location matrix annealed.Second, a little birdie in the back of my head says no, the future needs autonomous vehicles, aggressive ride sharing, collision avoidance radar, vehicle scheduling to eliminate stops, and ride systems based on cell phones talking to passing vehicles.Plus, the society needs it's matrix of jobs and worker-locations annealed so that everybody gets a chance to work close to home.The underlying vehicles can be a mechanical zoo.
But I can see a 50\% reduction in commuter CO2 emitting miles simply by raising the load factor in commuter vehicles from ~1 rider per car to ~2.5 riders per car.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29946410</id>
	<title>Re:Regenerative breaking?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257088080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He was joking about how "braking" was misspelled.  Since you made the same mistake, repeatedly, I'll explain it: Braking = applying the brakes in a vehicle. Breaking = damaging something. The two terms are not interchangeable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He was joking about how " braking " was misspelled .
Since you made the same mistake , repeatedly , I 'll explain it : Braking = applying the brakes in a vehicle .
Breaking = damaging something .
The two terms are not interchangeable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He was joking about how "braking" was misspelled.
Since you made the same mistake, repeatedly, I'll explain it: Braking = applying the brakes in a vehicle.
Breaking = damaging something.
The two terms are not interchangeable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29945016</id>
	<title>Re:Braking</title>
	<author>shway</author>
	<datestamp>1257075300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The friction brakes on my Tesla still squeak after 12,000 miles of driving.</p></div><p>I find the brakes on my Tesla Roadster also squeak - mostly due to non-use. The brake dust gathers on the rotor and doesn't get wiped away since I mostly use regen to slow the car.  This causes the brakes to squeak when I do try and use them.

When this happens, I can make the squeak go away by braking hard once to remove the brake dust.  I find an empty residential street and bring the car up to 15 or 20 miles per hour, and then stomp hard on the brakes to come to a complete stop.  No more squeak for another 1000 miles.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The friction brakes on my Tesla still squeak after 12,000 miles of driving.I find the brakes on my Tesla Roadster also squeak - mostly due to non-use .
The brake dust gathers on the rotor and does n't get wiped away since I mostly use regen to slow the car .
This causes the brakes to squeak when I do try and use them .
When this happens , I can make the squeak go away by braking hard once to remove the brake dust .
I find an empty residential street and bring the car up to 15 or 20 miles per hour , and then stomp hard on the brakes to come to a complete stop .
No more squeak for another 1000 miles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The friction brakes on my Tesla still squeak after 12,000 miles of driving.I find the brakes on my Tesla Roadster also squeak - mostly due to non-use.
The brake dust gathers on the rotor and doesn't get wiped away since I mostly use regen to slow the car.
This causes the brakes to squeak when I do try and use them.
When this happens, I can make the squeak go away by braking hard once to remove the brake dust.
I find an empty residential street and bring the car up to 15 or 20 miles per hour, and then stomp hard on the brakes to come to a complete stop.
No more squeak for another 1000 miles.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29955388</id>
	<title>Re:Regenerative breaking?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257158160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, that would be regenerative <strong>braking</strong>. Braking means to slow down, breaking means smashy-smashy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , that would be regenerative braking .
Braking means to slow down , breaking means smashy-smashy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, that would be regenerative braking.
Braking means to slow down, breaking means smashy-smashy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29947808</id>
	<title>Re:Requires Cheap Batteries First</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257102060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It depends on the driver. For my own driving habits, those batteries would last me 20 years. If I woke up tomorrow to find my engine and transmission had vanished, and I had to choose between buying a cheap new gas car or converting my surviving car body to electric, not only would the conversion be cheaper than a new car, I'd have the immediate fuel cost savings on top of that. The batteries would have basically paid for themselves before I drove the first mile. And IMO, the electric car may actually last that long without serious work, whereas every gas car I've seen last that long has had at least a few thousand dollars of extra repairs to the moving parts.</p><p>In fact, I will probably take that approach eventually, when my current car gets old, because I do like the body. When the time comes, assuming it's due to mechanical failure rather than a fluke crash, I'll have to choose between the new cars available or converting the old one. Since it would make economic sense if that scenario were to happen right now, it'll likely still make sense some years in the future when the electric parts are better/cheaper and the gas prices will have only gone higher.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It depends on the driver .
For my own driving habits , those batteries would last me 20 years .
If I woke up tomorrow to find my engine and transmission had vanished , and I had to choose between buying a cheap new gas car or converting my surviving car body to electric , not only would the conversion be cheaper than a new car , I 'd have the immediate fuel cost savings on top of that .
The batteries would have basically paid for themselves before I drove the first mile .
And IMO , the electric car may actually last that long without serious work , whereas every gas car I 've seen last that long has had at least a few thousand dollars of extra repairs to the moving parts.In fact , I will probably take that approach eventually , when my current car gets old , because I do like the body .
When the time comes , assuming it 's due to mechanical failure rather than a fluke crash , I 'll have to choose between the new cars available or converting the old one .
Since it would make economic sense if that scenario were to happen right now , it 'll likely still make sense some years in the future when the electric parts are better/cheaper and the gas prices will have only gone higher .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It depends on the driver.
For my own driving habits, those batteries would last me 20 years.
If I woke up tomorrow to find my engine and transmission had vanished, and I had to choose between buying a cheap new gas car or converting my surviving car body to electric, not only would the conversion be cheaper than a new car, I'd have the immediate fuel cost savings on top of that.
The batteries would have basically paid for themselves before I drove the first mile.
And IMO, the electric car may actually last that long without serious work, whereas every gas car I've seen last that long has had at least a few thousand dollars of extra repairs to the moving parts.In fact, I will probably take that approach eventually, when my current car gets old, because I do like the body.
When the time comes, assuming it's due to mechanical failure rather than a fluke crash, I'll have to choose between the new cars available or converting the old one.
Since it would make economic sense if that scenario were to happen right now, it'll likely still make sense some years in the future when the electric parts are better/cheaper and the gas prices will have only gone higher.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29950776</id>
	<title>Re:Anonymized Travel Data</title>
	<author>mea37</author>
	<datestamp>1257180420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You haven't really thought this through, have you?  Don't feel too bad; most people take to glib over-simplifications about data deidentification.</p><p>Maybe <a href="http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/09/your-secrets-live-online-in-databases-of-ruin.ars" title="arstechnica.com">this</a> [arstechnica.com] will help.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You have n't really thought this through , have you ?
Do n't feel too bad ; most people take to glib over-simplifications about data deidentification.Maybe this [ arstechnica.com ] will help .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You haven't really thought this through, have you?
Don't feel too bad; most people take to glib over-simplifications about data deidentification.Maybe this [arstechnica.com] will help.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29944098</id>
	<title>CMU can pay for it.</title>
	<author>tjstork</author>
	<datestamp>1257069000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Only a dope should turn over their data to CMU.  CMU has a ridiculous endownment, every federal incentive and bonus imaginable, ridiculous property rights and almost institutionalized military support.  So, they can come up with a few pennies to pay people for their data that they stand to make even more millions of dollars on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Only a dope should turn over their data to CMU .
CMU has a ridiculous endownment , every federal incentive and bonus imaginable , ridiculous property rights and almost institutionalized military support .
So , they can come up with a few pennies to pay people for their data that they stand to make even more millions of dollars on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only a dope should turn over their data to CMU.
CMU has a ridiculous endownment, every federal incentive and bonus imaginable, ridiculous property rights and almost institutionalized military support.
So, they can come up with a few pennies to pay people for their data that they stand to make even more millions of dollars on.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29944476</id>
	<title>Re:Anonymized Travel Data</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1257071460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You don't really need details of left and right to analyze driving style (so the data can be simplified down to velocity and change in elevation).</p><p>Over a short commute the details of the hills are probably important, but for a longer commute, I doubt they matter much (and the same thinking likely applies to road choice and whatnot).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't really need details of left and right to analyze driving style ( so the data can be simplified down to velocity and change in elevation ) .Over a short commute the details of the hills are probably important , but for a longer commute , I doubt they matter much ( and the same thinking likely applies to road choice and whatnot ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't really need details of left and right to analyze driving style (so the data can be simplified down to velocity and change in elevation).Over a short commute the details of the hills are probably important, but for a longer commute, I doubt they matter much (and the same thinking likely applies to road choice and whatnot).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29944746</id>
	<title>Re:Anonymized Travel Data</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257073260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So someone who's more in-the-know with anonymizing data sets of this or similar nature able to shed some light on this?</p></div><p>Much like social networking sites, the best solution is not to upload anything you don't want your name on.  Since they're trying to build a "commuter car" as opposed to a "adult video shopping excursion car", the best solution is to only upload the drive to and from work, unless your work happens to be "professional adult video shopper".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So someone who 's more in-the-know with anonymizing data sets of this or similar nature able to shed some light on this ? Much like social networking sites , the best solution is not to upload anything you do n't want your name on .
Since they 're trying to build a " commuter car " as opposed to a " adult video shopping excursion car " , the best solution is to only upload the drive to and from work , unless your work happens to be " professional adult video shopper " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So someone who's more in-the-know with anonymizing data sets of this or similar nature able to shed some light on this?Much like social networking sites, the best solution is not to upload anything you don't want your name on.
Since they're trying to build a "commuter car" as opposed to a "adult video shopping excursion car", the best solution is to only upload the drive to and from work, unless your work happens to be "professional adult video shopper".
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29944452</id>
	<title>Re:Regenerative breaking?</title>
	<author>Jah-Wren Ryel</author>
	<datestamp>1257071340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Is that where they break, and then fix themselves?</p></div><p>No, it is a series of electricity saving dance steps from the streets.</p><p>Regenerative Breaking 2 - Electric Boogaloo.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is that where they break , and then fix themselves ? No , it is a series of electricity saving dance steps from the streets.Regenerative Breaking 2 - Electric Boogaloo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is that where they break, and then fix themselves?No, it is a series of electricity saving dance steps from the streets.Regenerative Breaking 2 - Electric Boogaloo.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29948430</id>
	<title>Fundamental flaw in Carnegie Mellon approach</title>
	<author>Kupfernigk</author>
	<datestamp>1257155520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I keep seeing these ideas for low cost conversions using lead acid batteries. Every time they come from people who may be good engineers but don't understand lead acid technology. Repeat after me, there are no good, cheap lead acid traction batteries. Standard lead acid is simply not a good technology for any mobile application other than starting and low draw domestic power. This is because lead acid batteries deteriorate rapidly at high current draw and discharge above 40\%. That's why all the research into lithium and nickel hydride batteries; they are simply many times better for traction applications.<p>The result is that to get acceptable power and life from a lead acid power pack, the weight becomes such as to be potentially dangerous in a car chassis not designed from scratch to take it. Cars are engineering structures designed to take just so much load in just such places. Sticking a load of heavy lead acid batteries in a car chassis risks catastrophic failure under the wrong conditions - and re-engineering the chassis to fit this would not be cheap to say the least. You would do better to put the batteries in the bed of a pickup, provided you designed a suitable carrier that could resist the side forces and contain the acid in a spill - but then your vehicle will still be a less environmentally friendly commuter than a modern small car, and most of the carrying capacity is now battery</p><p>Has it occurred to people like these carnegie-Mellon guys that there are people out there who have dedicated their careers to electric vehicles, that many of them are brilliant engineers, and that if they think the future is lithium - to the extent that Mitsubishi and Nissan are building battery factories - perhaps they know more about it than someone who thinks he can build a racing milk float cheap using a bit of regenerative braking?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I keep seeing these ideas for low cost conversions using lead acid batteries .
Every time they come from people who may be good engineers but do n't understand lead acid technology .
Repeat after me , there are no good , cheap lead acid traction batteries .
Standard lead acid is simply not a good technology for any mobile application other than starting and low draw domestic power .
This is because lead acid batteries deteriorate rapidly at high current draw and discharge above 40 \ % .
That 's why all the research into lithium and nickel hydride batteries ; they are simply many times better for traction applications.The result is that to get acceptable power and life from a lead acid power pack , the weight becomes such as to be potentially dangerous in a car chassis not designed from scratch to take it .
Cars are engineering structures designed to take just so much load in just such places .
Sticking a load of heavy lead acid batteries in a car chassis risks catastrophic failure under the wrong conditions - and re-engineering the chassis to fit this would not be cheap to say the least .
You would do better to put the batteries in the bed of a pickup , provided you designed a suitable carrier that could resist the side forces and contain the acid in a spill - but then your vehicle will still be a less environmentally friendly commuter than a modern small car , and most of the carrying capacity is now batteryHas it occurred to people like these carnegie-Mellon guys that there are people out there who have dedicated their careers to electric vehicles , that many of them are brilliant engineers , and that if they think the future is lithium - to the extent that Mitsubishi and Nissan are building battery factories - perhaps they know more about it than someone who thinks he can build a racing milk float cheap using a bit of regenerative braking ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I keep seeing these ideas for low cost conversions using lead acid batteries.
Every time they come from people who may be good engineers but don't understand lead acid technology.
Repeat after me, there are no good, cheap lead acid traction batteries.
Standard lead acid is simply not a good technology for any mobile application other than starting and low draw domestic power.
This is because lead acid batteries deteriorate rapidly at high current draw and discharge above 40\%.
That's why all the research into lithium and nickel hydride batteries; they are simply many times better for traction applications.The result is that to get acceptable power and life from a lead acid power pack, the weight becomes such as to be potentially dangerous in a car chassis not designed from scratch to take it.
Cars are engineering structures designed to take just so much load in just such places.
Sticking a load of heavy lead acid batteries in a car chassis risks catastrophic failure under the wrong conditions - and re-engineering the chassis to fit this would not be cheap to say the least.
You would do better to put the batteries in the bed of a pickup, provided you designed a suitable carrier that could resist the side forces and contain the acid in a spill - but then your vehicle will still be a less environmentally friendly commuter than a modern small car, and most of the carrying capacity is now batteryHas it occurred to people like these carnegie-Mellon guys that there are people out there who have dedicated their careers to electric vehicles, that many of them are brilliant engineers, and that if they think the future is lithium - to the extent that Mitsubishi and Nissan are building battery factories - perhaps they know more about it than someone who thinks he can build a racing milk float cheap using a bit of regenerative braking?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29948038</id>
	<title>Re:Requires Cheap Batteries First</title>
	<author>blind biker</author>
	<datestamp>1257192060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did you know that by adding carbon nanotubes to the graphite electrode of Li+, you can drastically increase the number of recharge cycles? Adding 20\% wt of CNTs will in fact enable them to be recharged an infinite amount of times. The company that has the patent and makes these batteries, is not interested in adding 20\% wt of CNTs however - they add only 10\%, so the number of cycles is larger than with the ordinary Li+, but still not unlimited.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you know that by adding carbon nanotubes to the graphite electrode of Li + , you can drastically increase the number of recharge cycles ?
Adding 20 \ % wt of CNTs will in fact enable them to be recharged an infinite amount of times .
The company that has the patent and makes these batteries , is not interested in adding 20 \ % wt of CNTs however - they add only 10 \ % , so the number of cycles is larger than with the ordinary Li + , but still not unlimited .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you know that by adding carbon nanotubes to the graphite electrode of Li+, you can drastically increase the number of recharge cycles?
Adding 20\% wt of CNTs will in fact enable them to be recharged an infinite amount of times.
The company that has the patent and makes these batteries, is not interested in adding 20\% wt of CNTs however - they add only 10\%, so the number of cycles is larger than with the ordinary Li+, but still not unlimited.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29946390</id>
	<title>Re:The part of the story you're missing...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257087900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are wrong about the Garmin OS. It does allow you to turn off tracking. In fact it allows you more than one way to turn it off. Thus your post is nothing more than a huge stinking pile of poop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are wrong about the Garmin OS .
It does allow you to turn off tracking .
In fact it allows you more than one way to turn it off .
Thus your post is nothing more than a huge stinking pile of poop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are wrong about the Garmin OS.
It does allow you to turn off tracking.
In fact it allows you more than one way to turn it off.
Thus your post is nothing more than a huge stinking pile of poop.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29944308</id>
	<title>Wow, look at that:</title>
	<author>Culture20</author>
	<datestamp>1257070320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>"It seems that 99.9\% of drivers drive the speed limit, and engine-break to lights."<br>
Do they really expect anyone who isn't already driving a hybrid or electric and/or driving super-energy conscious will be interested in helping a project like this and send in Data?  How people really commute:  They drive 10-20 miles over the speed limit on highways, and 5-15 miles over the speed limit on city streets.  They speed up to get in front of a slower (but still over the speed limit) car, just in time to brake hard for the stoplight.  The data they collect will say regenerative braking is pointless, but the common-knowledge data will say that regenerative braking is the bee's knees.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" It seems that 99.9 \ % of drivers drive the speed limit , and engine-break to lights .
" Do they really expect anyone who is n't already driving a hybrid or electric and/or driving super-energy conscious will be interested in helping a project like this and send in Data ?
How people really commute : They drive 10-20 miles over the speed limit on highways , and 5-15 miles over the speed limit on city streets .
They speed up to get in front of a slower ( but still over the speed limit ) car , just in time to brake hard for the stoplight .
The data they collect will say regenerative braking is pointless , but the common-knowledge data will say that regenerative braking is the bee 's knees .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"It seems that 99.9\% of drivers drive the speed limit, and engine-break to lights.
"
Do they really expect anyone who isn't already driving a hybrid or electric and/or driving super-energy conscious will be interested in helping a project like this and send in Data?
How people really commute:  They drive 10-20 miles over the speed limit on highways, and 5-15 miles over the speed limit on city streets.
They speed up to get in front of a slower (but still over the speed limit) car, just in time to brake hard for the stoplight.
The data they collect will say regenerative braking is pointless, but the common-knowledge data will say that regenerative braking is the bee's knees.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29944370</id>
	<title>Re:Anonymized Travel Data</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257070740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>if you randomly shifted the set of lat/long, and did a 'heading' rotation transformation it would be a real pain to work back to the original data in most cases (unique hills, odd turns etc could allow some path back to original path).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>if you randomly shifted the set of lat/long , and did a 'heading ' rotation transformation it would be a real pain to work back to the original data in most cases ( unique hills , odd turns etc could allow some path back to original path ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if you randomly shifted the set of lat/long, and did a 'heading' rotation transformation it would be a real pain to work back to the original data in most cases (unique hills, odd turns etc could allow some path back to original path).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29944136</id>
	<title>Braking</title>
	<author>wildsurf</author>
	<datestamp>1257069180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's "braking," people. Braking. Though in the case of electric cars, that usually means decelerating/regenerating. The friction brakes on my Tesla still squeak after 12,000 miles of driving.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's " braking , " people .
Braking. Though in the case of electric cars , that usually means decelerating/regenerating .
The friction brakes on my Tesla still squeak after 12,000 miles of driving .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's "braking," people.
Braking. Though in the case of electric cars, that usually means decelerating/regenerating.
The friction brakes on my Tesla still squeak after 12,000 miles of driving.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29947890</id>
	<title>Re:Anonymized Travel Data</title>
	<author>evilWurst</author>
	<datestamp>1257103080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A guess: you start out with a long list of personal data - driver ID, car make and model and year, and a longass list of coordinates with timestamps (from which the speed and braking and all that can be derived).</p><p>Throw away all the names, so that you only have the car make/model and the path. Then throw away the first and last two minutes of driving of every trip. Cut all the trips into random five minute slices. Convert their timestamps from absolute time to relative time (the trip starts at 0 and each frame is one higher than the last).</p><p>You now have a long list of five minute trips associated with a make and model of car, and the most personal information you can hope to get from it is that you can map makes and models of cars to roads they travel, but you can't recover Who or When, you can't reconstruct the full body of a single trip (or even a single route), and you can't reconstruct where any individual car parks.</p><p>But you retain a lot of data about how people in general drive types of cars on types of roads.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A guess : you start out with a long list of personal data - driver ID , car make and model and year , and a longass list of coordinates with timestamps ( from which the speed and braking and all that can be derived ) .Throw away all the names , so that you only have the car make/model and the path .
Then throw away the first and last two minutes of driving of every trip .
Cut all the trips into random five minute slices .
Convert their timestamps from absolute time to relative time ( the trip starts at 0 and each frame is one higher than the last ) .You now have a long list of five minute trips associated with a make and model of car , and the most personal information you can hope to get from it is that you can map makes and models of cars to roads they travel , but you ca n't recover Who or When , you ca n't reconstruct the full body of a single trip ( or even a single route ) , and you ca n't reconstruct where any individual car parks.But you retain a lot of data about how people in general drive types of cars on types of roads .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A guess: you start out with a long list of personal data - driver ID, car make and model and year, and a longass list of coordinates with timestamps (from which the speed and braking and all that can be derived).Throw away all the names, so that you only have the car make/model and the path.
Then throw away the first and last two minutes of driving of every trip.
Cut all the trips into random five minute slices.
Convert their timestamps from absolute time to relative time (the trip starts at 0 and each frame is one higher than the last).You now have a long list of five minute trips associated with a make and model of car, and the most personal information you can hope to get from it is that you can map makes and models of cars to roads they travel, but you can't recover Who or When, you can't reconstruct the full body of a single trip (or even a single route), and you can't reconstruct where any individual car parks.But you retain a lot of data about how people in general drive types of cars on types of roads.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29945882</id>
	<title>Their biggest bang</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257083460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If they want to improve regen braking, their BIGGEST payload will come from having 4 separate engines at each wheel with no drivetrain. Wheel motors
<p>
Those have demonstrated much more energy recovery from regen braking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If they want to improve regen braking , their BIGGEST payload will come from having 4 separate engines at each wheel with no drivetrain .
Wheel motors Those have demonstrated much more energy recovery from regen braking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they want to improve regen braking, their BIGGEST payload will come from having 4 separate engines at each wheel with no drivetrain.
Wheel motors

Those have demonstrated much more energy recovery from regen braking.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29949900</id>
	<title>What real world data will reveal</title>
	<author>professorguy</author>
	<datestamp>1257175500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The most fuel-efficient method of cresting a hill is to be going slowest at the top, fastest at the bottom.  Real world data will reveal that most people are going fastest at the top, slowest at the bottom.
<br> <br>
This is what makes regenerative braking work out for most people.  However, I used to regularly commute 46 miles touching my brakes only once: when parking in the lot at my destination.  How much would regenerative braking have helped me?
<br> <br>
Regenerative braking only works when you drive like an ass.  And yes, I understand that having other cars on the road (unlike my old commute) forces you to drive like an ass.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The most fuel-efficient method of cresting a hill is to be going slowest at the top , fastest at the bottom .
Real world data will reveal that most people are going fastest at the top , slowest at the bottom .
This is what makes regenerative braking work out for most people .
However , I used to regularly commute 46 miles touching my brakes only once : when parking in the lot at my destination .
How much would regenerative braking have helped me ?
Regenerative braking only works when you drive like an ass .
And yes , I understand that having other cars on the road ( unlike my old commute ) forces you to drive like an ass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The most fuel-efficient method of cresting a hill is to be going slowest at the top, fastest at the bottom.
Real world data will reveal that most people are going fastest at the top, slowest at the bottom.
This is what makes regenerative braking work out for most people.
However, I used to regularly commute 46 miles touching my brakes only once: when parking in the lot at my destination.
How much would regenerative braking have helped me?
Regenerative braking only works when you drive like an ass.
And yes, I understand that having other cars on the road (unlike my old commute) forces you to drive like an ass.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29946508</id>
	<title>Re:The part of the story you're missing...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257088860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So turn off the GPS unless you actually need it.  Do you seriously need a moving map GPS to find your way to work every day?</p><p>I doubt Garmin's the only GPS manufacturer that enables track logging by default.  And you can certainly turn it off on some models (yes, Garmin makes more than one model of GPS, and they aren't all the same).  Sucks that whatever one you have won't let you turn it off, but that doesn't mean they're all that way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So turn off the GPS unless you actually need it .
Do you seriously need a moving map GPS to find your way to work every day ? I doubt Garmin 's the only GPS manufacturer that enables track logging by default .
And you can certainly turn it off on some models ( yes , Garmin makes more than one model of GPS , and they are n't all the same ) .
Sucks that whatever one you have wo n't let you turn it off , but that does n't mean they 're all that way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So turn off the GPS unless you actually need it.
Do you seriously need a moving map GPS to find your way to work every day?I doubt Garmin's the only GPS manufacturer that enables track logging by default.
And you can certainly turn it off on some models (yes, Garmin makes more than one model of GPS, and they aren't all the same).
Sucks that whatever one you have won't let you turn it off, but that doesn't mean they're all that way.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29948202</id>
	<title>Why not use openstreetmap data ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257194880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OpenStreetMap have been collecting gps tracklogs for years.<br>Couldn't they just use that data ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OpenStreetMap have been collecting gps tracklogs for years.Could n't they just use that data ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OpenStreetMap have been collecting gps tracklogs for years.Couldn't they just use that data ?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29947710</id>
	<title>Re:Requires Cheap Batteries First</title>
	<author>BlueParrot</author>
	<datestamp>1257100860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I've heard estimates of about $10,000 for replacing the batteries in an electric vehicle. So that's 8 cents per mile times 30 miles per gallon that conventional engines get for the same size vehicle which is $2.40. So pretty much zero savings.</p></div></blockquote><p>So what you are saying is that everybody in Europe, where gasoline prices are multiple times what they are in the US, are likely to see huge savings ?</p><p>Second question, how long do you think gasoline prices in the US will stay where they are ?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've heard estimates of about $ 10,000 for replacing the batteries in an electric vehicle .
So that 's 8 cents per mile times 30 miles per gallon that conventional engines get for the same size vehicle which is $ 2.40 .
So pretty much zero savings.So what you are saying is that everybody in Europe , where gasoline prices are multiple times what they are in the US , are likely to see huge savings ? Second question , how long do you think gasoline prices in the US will stay where they are ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've heard estimates of about $10,000 for replacing the batteries in an electric vehicle.
So that's 8 cents per mile times 30 miles per gallon that conventional engines get for the same size vehicle which is $2.40.
So pretty much zero savings.So what you are saying is that everybody in Europe, where gasoline prices are multiple times what they are in the US, are likely to see huge savings ?Second question, how long do you think gasoline prices in the US will stay where they are ?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29945872</id>
	<title>Re:The part of the story you're missing...</title>
	<author>TBoon</author>
	<datestamp>1257083340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If you've got a halfway modern Garmin GPS, you have already been collecting the very data that this project is working for.</p> </div><p>How many people drive with the GPS on their daily commute? And how do you convert the hidden garmin log to some useful format? (I've tried on mine, but so far no luck...)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 've got a halfway modern Garmin GPS , you have already been collecting the very data that this project is working for .
How many people drive with the GPS on their daily commute ?
And how do you convert the hidden garmin log to some useful format ?
( I 've tried on mine , but so far no luck... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you've got a halfway modern Garmin GPS, you have already been collecting the very data that this project is working for.
How many people drive with the GPS on their daily commute?
And how do you convert the hidden garmin log to some useful format?
(I've tried on mine, but so far no luck...)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29948314</id>
	<title>Re:Wow, look at that:</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1257153420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Do they really expect anyone who isn't already driving a hybrid or electric and/or driving super-energy conscious will be interested in helping a project like this and send in Data?</p></div>
</blockquote><p>Well, they could expect at least one person to send in Data (two if you count when he went back in time and left his head in a cave). Wait, what were we talking about again?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do they really expect anyone who is n't already driving a hybrid or electric and/or driving super-energy conscious will be interested in helping a project like this and send in Data ?
Well , they could expect at least one person to send in Data ( two if you count when he went back in time and left his head in a cave ) .
Wait , what were we talking about again ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do they really expect anyone who isn't already driving a hybrid or electric and/or driving super-energy conscious will be interested in helping a project like this and send in Data?
Well, they could expect at least one person to send in Data (two if you count when he went back in time and left his head in a cave).
Wait, what were we talking about again?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29945434</id>
	<title>Re:Regenerative breaking?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257078780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm sure you where just writing to be funny. But regenerative breaking
is an incredible energy saving technology. An electric generator with
(important) electromagnets is attached to one of the axles. When
the electromagnets are off the axles can spin freely. When the
car brakes the electromagnetics are turned on, and the generator
starts converting the momentum of the car, back into electrical
energy. In inner city, stop, start, traffic conditions this saves an
enormous amount of power. Regenerative breaking makes the
difference between eletric automobiles being a pipe dream, and
an efficient inner city car.
<p>
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<tokenext>I 'm sure you where just writing to be funny .
But regenerative breaking is an incredible energy saving technology .
An electric generator with ( important ) electromagnets is attached to one of the axles .
When the electromagnets are off the axles can spin freely .
When the car brakes the electromagnetics are turned on , and the generator starts converting the momentum of the car , back into electrical energy .
In inner city , stop , start , traffic conditions this saves an enormous amount of power .
Regenerative breaking makes the difference between eletric automobiles being a pipe dream , and an efficient inner city car .
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<sentencetext>I'm sure you where just writing to be funny.
But regenerative breaking
is an incredible energy saving technology.
An electric generator with
(important) electromagnets is attached to one of the axles.
When
the electromagnets are off the axles can spin freely.
When the
car brakes the electromagnetics are turned on, and the generator
starts converting the momentum of the car, back into electrical
energy.
In inner city, stop, start, traffic conditions this saves an
enormous amount of power.
Regenerative breaking makes the
difference between eletric automobiles being a pipe dream, and
an efficient inner city car.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29946356</id>
	<title>Re:My experience</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257087600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, its like a tax, except the money goes to oil companies instead of the government, although there isn't much difference these days.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , its like a tax , except the money goes to oil companies instead of the government , although there is n't much difference these days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, its like a tax, except the money goes to oil companies instead of the government, although there isn't much difference these days.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29945138</id>
	<title>Re:My experience</title>
	<author>Interoperable</author>
	<datestamp>1257076320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I love the people who tailgate using boolean throttle techniques; they constantly alternate between slamming on the accelerator then the brakes to maintain a constant average speed. It's only slightly better than driving at a constant speed while simultaneously applying the brakes and the accelerator but it clearly projects to drivers around them that they're morons...which I assume is the idea because I can think of no other reason why they do it.</p><p>I think every new car should have a system that calculates how much fuel you consume and compares it against how much you should have consumed for the same distance and average speed if you were driving optimally. It could then use current gas prices to give you an output in dollars wasted. You could think of it as an idiot tax for poor drivers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I love the people who tailgate using boolean throttle techniques ; they constantly alternate between slamming on the accelerator then the brakes to maintain a constant average speed .
It 's only slightly better than driving at a constant speed while simultaneously applying the brakes and the accelerator but it clearly projects to drivers around them that they 're morons...which I assume is the idea because I can think of no other reason why they do it.I think every new car should have a system that calculates how much fuel you consume and compares it against how much you should have consumed for the same distance and average speed if you were driving optimally .
It could then use current gas prices to give you an output in dollars wasted .
You could think of it as an idiot tax for poor drivers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love the people who tailgate using boolean throttle techniques; they constantly alternate between slamming on the accelerator then the brakes to maintain a constant average speed.
It's only slightly better than driving at a constant speed while simultaneously applying the brakes and the accelerator but it clearly projects to drivers around them that they're morons...which I assume is the idea because I can think of no other reason why they do it.I think every new car should have a system that calculates how much fuel you consume and compares it against how much you should have consumed for the same distance and average speed if you were driving optimally.
It could then use current gas prices to give you an output in dollars wasted.
You could think of it as an idiot tax for poor drivers.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29947886</id>
	<title>Re:Requires Cheap Batteries First</title>
	<author>CodeBuster</author>
	<datestamp>1257102960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Exactly. The Prius boosters here on Slashdot are always talking up hybrid cars and the alleged "savings" that can be achieved by owning a hybrid vehicle, but they often leave out of the discussion opportunity costs and present value of future savings vs increased upfront costs. Hybrids have never penciled out so far, even during the peak gas prices of the summer of 2006. IMHO, there is no way that a strictly economic argument can be made for driving a hybrid car right now; Those who chose to drive one anyway do so for other reasons, mainly having to do with economic utility (i.e. enjoyment they derive from having that "green chic" look and feel). If one derives enough additional pleasure from hybrid or electric vehicle ownership to make up the difference in cost then it might be worth it for that individual, but can anyone here honestly say that they derive thousands of dollars worth of additional enjoyment from "being green" and driving an electric or hybrid vehicle? I know that I can't and so I don't own one.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly .
The Prius boosters here on Slashdot are always talking up hybrid cars and the alleged " savings " that can be achieved by owning a hybrid vehicle , but they often leave out of the discussion opportunity costs and present value of future savings vs increased upfront costs .
Hybrids have never penciled out so far , even during the peak gas prices of the summer of 2006 .
IMHO , there is no way that a strictly economic argument can be made for driving a hybrid car right now ; Those who chose to drive one anyway do so for other reasons , mainly having to do with economic utility ( i.e .
enjoyment they derive from having that " green chic " look and feel ) .
If one derives enough additional pleasure from hybrid or electric vehicle ownership to make up the difference in cost then it might be worth it for that individual , but can anyone here honestly say that they derive thousands of dollars worth of additional enjoyment from " being green " and driving an electric or hybrid vehicle ?
I know that I ca n't and so I do n't own one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly.
The Prius boosters here on Slashdot are always talking up hybrid cars and the alleged "savings" that can be achieved by owning a hybrid vehicle, but they often leave out of the discussion opportunity costs and present value of future savings vs increased upfront costs.
Hybrids have never penciled out so far, even during the peak gas prices of the summer of 2006.
IMHO, there is no way that a strictly economic argument can be made for driving a hybrid car right now; Those who chose to drive one anyway do so for other reasons, mainly having to do with economic utility (i.e.
enjoyment they derive from having that "green chic" look and feel).
If one derives enough additional pleasure from hybrid or electric vehicle ownership to make up the difference in cost then it might be worth it for that individual, but can anyone here honestly say that they derive thousands of dollars worth of additional enjoyment from "being green" and driving an electric or hybrid vehicle?
I know that I can't and so I don't own one.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29945750</id>
	<title>Re:Wow, look at that:</title>
	<author>DerekLyons</author>
	<datestamp>1257082020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The data they collect will say regenerative braking is pointless, but the common-knowledge data will say that regenerative braking is the bee's knees.</p></div></blockquote><p>So data that runs counter to 'what everyone knows' is pointless?  It seems the rejection of science that so many characterize as being typical of America has at last come to Slashdot.</p></div>
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<tokenext>The data they collect will say regenerative braking is pointless , but the common-knowledge data will say that regenerative braking is the bee 's knees.So data that runs counter to 'what everyone knows ' is pointless ?
It seems the rejection of science that so many characterize as being typical of America has at last come to Slashdot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The data they collect will say regenerative braking is pointless, but the common-knowledge data will say that regenerative braking is the bee's knees.So data that runs counter to 'what everyone knows' is pointless?
It seems the rejection of science that so many characterize as being typical of America has at last come to Slashdot.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29945704</id>
	<title>The part of the story you're missing...</title>
	<author>AtariDatacenter</author>
	<datestamp>1257081540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you've got a halfway modern Garmin GPS, you have already been collecting the very data that this project is working for. What? Your GPS is logging you without permission? Yes. (Garmin probably got some legalese somewhere to cover their tracks.)</p><p>The Garmin GPS has a facility to show/hide your 'trail' (which is based on a time/location log of your travel). I believe it also has an option to reset that log. (Or, at the very least, you could USB mount its storage device and clean out the log file.) But even if you erase the log file, it will automatically repopulate your travel log, with or without your permission. There is no built-in option to prevent this behavior.</p><p>In short, a Garmin GPS *is* a GPS tracking device that your willingly put inside of your own vehicle, and is ready to report your travel history at any time.</p><p>I have personally verified this information with Garmin's technical support. You cannot disable GPS logging. Could be a plus for this project, though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 've got a halfway modern Garmin GPS , you have already been collecting the very data that this project is working for .
What ? Your GPS is logging you without permission ?
Yes. ( Garmin probably got some legalese somewhere to cover their tracks .
) The Garmin GPS has a facility to show/hide your 'trail ' ( which is based on a time/location log of your travel ) .
I believe it also has an option to reset that log .
( Or , at the very least , you could USB mount its storage device and clean out the log file .
) But even if you erase the log file , it will automatically repopulate your travel log , with or without your permission .
There is no built-in option to prevent this behavior.In short , a Garmin GPS * is * a GPS tracking device that your willingly put inside of your own vehicle , and is ready to report your travel history at any time.I have personally verified this information with Garmin 's technical support .
You can not disable GPS logging .
Could be a plus for this project , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you've got a halfway modern Garmin GPS, you have already been collecting the very data that this project is working for.
What? Your GPS is logging you without permission?
Yes. (Garmin probably got some legalese somewhere to cover their tracks.
)The Garmin GPS has a facility to show/hide your 'trail' (which is based on a time/location log of your travel).
I believe it also has an option to reset that log.
(Or, at the very least, you could USB mount its storage device and clean out the log file.
) But even if you erase the log file, it will automatically repopulate your travel log, with or without your permission.
There is no built-in option to prevent this behavior.In short, a Garmin GPS *is* a GPS tracking device that your willingly put inside of your own vehicle, and is ready to report your travel history at any time.I have personally verified this information with Garmin's technical support.
You cannot disable GPS logging.
Could be a plus for this project, though.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29944112</id>
	<title>My experience</title>
	<author>rrohbeck</author>
	<datestamp>1257069060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From what I see here in rush hour, you only need boolean control: Full throttle or hard braking. When I coast towards a red light, there'll always be someone next to me who steps on it and cuts in front of me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From what I see here in rush hour , you only need boolean control : Full throttle or hard braking .
When I coast towards a red light , there 'll always be someone next to me who steps on it and cuts in front of me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From what I see here in rush hour, you only need boolean control: Full throttle or hard braking.
When I coast towards a red light, there'll always be someone next to me who steps on it and cuts in front of me.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29947606</id>
	<title>Re:Anonymized Travel Data</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257099840000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or it could be as simple as a log of inertia. +5 newtons here, -3 there, and a dash of burning clutch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or it could be as simple as a log of inertia .
+ 5 newtons here , -3 there , and a dash of burning clutch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or it could be as simple as a log of inertia.
+5 newtons here, -3 there, and a dash of burning clutch.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Old cars never die</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257069000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It has come to my attention that the entire Linux community is a hotbed of so called 'alternative sexuality,' which includes anything from hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to pedophilia.</p><p>What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden messages contained within the names of some of Linux's most outspoken advocates:</p><ul><li> <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/billgates/" title="microsoft.com" rel="nofollow">Linus Torvalds</a> [microsoft.com] is an anagram of <b>slit anus or VD 'L,'</b> clearly referring to himself by the first initial.</li><li> <a href="http://www.geocities.com/stallmanus/" title="geocities.com" rel="nofollow">Richard M. Stallman</a> [geocities.com], spokespervert for the <b>G</b>aysex's <b>N</b>ot <b>U</b>nusual 'movement' is an anagram of <b>mans cram thrill ad.</b> </li><li> <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/" title="microsoft.com" rel="nofollow">Alan Cox</a> [microsoft.com] is <i>barely</i> an anagram of <b>anal cox</b> which is just so filthy and unchristian it unnerves me.</li></ul><p>I'm sure that Eric S. Raymond, composer of the satanic <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] propaganda diatribe <i>The Cathedral and the Bizarre,</i> is probably an anagram of something queer, but we don't need to look that far as we know he's always shoving a gun up some poor little boy's rectum. <i>Update:</i> Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram for <b>secondary rim</b> and <b>cord in my arse.</b> It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer.</p><p> <i>Update the Second:</i> It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/" title="microsoft.com" rel="nofollow">Fetchmail</a> [microsoft.com], which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for 'Felch Male' -- a disgusting practise. For those not in the know, 'felching' is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other's rectum. In fact, it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of e-mail, turning it into 'e-male.'</p><p>As far as Richard 'Master' Stallman goes, that filthy fudge-packer was <a href="http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/05/26/free\_love/index.html" title="salon.com" rel="nofollow">actually quoted</a> [salon.com] on leftist commie propaganda site Salon.com as saying the following: 'I've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any circumstance,' he says. 'It's about being able to question conventional wisdom,' he asserts. 'I believe in love, but not monogamy,' he says plainly.</p><p>And this isn't a made up troll bullshit either! He actually stated this tripe, which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he's a flaming <a href="http://www.comp-u-geek.net/" title="comp-u-geek.net" rel="nofollow">homo</a> [comp-u-geek.net] <a href="http://vagina.rotten.com/fecaljapan/" title="rotten.com" rel="nofollow">slut</a> [rotten.com]!</p><p>Speaking about 'flaming,' who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdot's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz. Although an obvious deviant anagram cannot be found from his name, he has already confessed, nay boasted of the <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] perversion of <a href="http://slashdot.org/features/99/07/22/173256.shtml" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">corrupting the innocence of young children</a> [slashdot.org]. To quote from the article linked:</p><p>'I've got a rare kidney disease,' I told her. 'I have to go to the bathroom a lot. You can come with me if you want, but it takes a while. Is that okay with you? Do you want a note from my doctor?'</p><p>Is this why you were touching your <a href="http://smoke.rotten.com/bird/" title="rotten.com" rel="nofollow">penis</a> [rotten.com] in the cinema, Jon? And letting the other boys touch it too?</p><p>We should also point out that Jon Katz refers to himself as 'Slashdot's resident Gasbag.' <i>Is there any more doubt?</i> For those fortunate few who aren't aware of the list of <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] terminology found inside the Linux 'Sauce Code,' a 'Gasbag' is a pervert who gains sexual gratification from having a thin straw inserted into his urethra (or to use the common parlance, 'piss-pipe'), then his <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] lover blows firmly down the straw to inflate his scrotum. This is, of course, when he's not busy violating the dignity and copyright of posters to Slashdot by gathering together their postings and publishing them en masse to further his twisted and manipulative journalistic agenda.</p><p>Sick, disgusting antichristian perverts, the lot of them.</p><p>In addition, many of the Linux distributions (a 'distribution' is the most common way to spread the faggots' wares) are run by faggot groups. The <a href="http://www.redhat.com/" title="redhat.com" rel="nofollow">Slackware</a> [redhat.com] distro is named after the 'Slack-wear' fags wear to allow easy access to the anus for sexual purposes. Furthermore, Slackware is a close anagram of <b>claw arse</b>, a reference to the <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] practise of anal fisting. The <a href="http://www.slackware.com/" title="slackware.com" rel="nofollow">Mandrake</a> [slackware.com] product is run by a group of French faggot satanists, and is named after the faggot nickname for the vibrator. It was also chosen because it is an anagram for <b>dark amen</b> and <b>ram naked,</b> which is what they do.</p><p>Another 'distro,' (abbrieviated as such because it sounds a bit like 'Disco,' which is where <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexuals</a> [goatse.fr] preyed on young boys in the 1970s), is <a href="http://www.mandrake.com/" title="mandrake.com" rel="nofollow">Debian,</a> [mandrake.com] an anagram of <b>in a bed,</b> which could be considered innocent enough (after all, a bed is both where we sleep and pray), until we realise what other names Debian uses to describe their foul wares. 'Woody' is obvious enough, being a term for the erect male <a href="http://smoke.rotten.com/bird/" title="rotten.com" rel="nofollow">penis</a> [rotten.com], glistening with pre-cum. But far sicker is the phrase 'Frozen Potato' that they use. This filthy term, again found in the secret <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] 'Sauce Code,' refers to the solo <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] practice of defecating into a clear polythene bag, shaping the turd into a crude approximation of the male phallus, then leaving it in the freezer overnight until it becomes solid. The practitioner then proceeds to push the frozen 'potato' up his own rectum, squeezing it in and out until his tight young balls erupt in a screaming orgasm.</p><p>And <a href="http://www.debian.org/" title="debian.org" rel="nofollow">Red Hat</a> [debian.org] is secret <a href="http://www.comp-u-geek.net/" title="comp-u-geek.net" rel="nofollow">homo</a> [comp-u-geek.net] slang for the tip of a <a href="http://smoke.rotten.com/bird/" title="rotten.com" rel="nofollow">penis</a> [rotten.com] that is soaked in blood from a freshly violated underage ringpiece.</p><p>The fags have even invented special tools to aid their faggotry! For example, the 'supermount' tool was devised to allow deeper penetration, which is good for fags because it gives more pressure on the prostate gland. 'Automount' is used, on the other hand, because Linux users are all fat and gay, and need to <a href="http://www.comp-u-geek.net/" title="comp-u-geek.net" rel="nofollow">mount each other</a> [comp-u-geek.net] automatically.</p><p>The depths of their depravity can be seen in their use of 'mount points.' These are, plainly speaking, the different points of penetration. The main one is obviously<tt>/anus</tt>, but there are others. Militant fags even say 'there is no<tt>/opt</tt> mount point' because for these dirty perverts faggotry is not optional but a way of life.</p><p>More evidence is in the fact that Linux users say how much they love <tt>`man`</tt>, even going so far as to say that all new Linux users (who are in fact just innocent heterosexuals indoctrinated by the gay propaganda) should try out <tt>`man`</tt>. In no other system do users boast of their frequent recourse to a man.</p><p>Other areas of the system also show Linux's inherit <i>gayness.</i> For example, people are often told of the 'FAQ,' but how many innocent heterosexual <a href="http://www.amiga.com/" title="amiga.com" rel="nofollow">Windows</a> [amiga.com] users know what this actually means. The answer is shocking: <i>Faggot Anal Quest:</i> the voyage of discovery for newly converted fags!</p><p>Even the title '<a href="http://www.geekizoid.com/" title="geekizoid.com" rel="nofollow">Slashdot</a> [geekizoid.com]' originally referred to a <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] practice. <a href="http://www.kuro5hin.org/" title="kuro5hin.org" rel="nofollow">Slashdot</a> [kuro5hin.org] of course refers to the popular gay practice of blood-letting. The Slashbots, of course are those super-zealous <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexuals</a> [goatse.fr] who take this perversion to its extreme by ripping open their anuses, as seen on the site most popular with Slashdot users, the depraved work of Satan, <a href="http://www.eff.org/" title="eff.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.eff.org/</a> [eff.org].</p><p>The editors of <a href="http://www.slashduh.org/" title="slashduh.org" rel="nofollow">Slashdot</a> [slashduh.org] also have <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] names: 'Hemos' is obvious in itself, being one vowel away from 'Homos.' But even more sickening is 'Commander Taco' which sounds a bit like 'Commode in Taco,' filthy gay slang for a pair of spreadeagled buttocks that are caked with <a href="http://pboy.com/shteatrfrk/images01/" title="pboy.com" rel="nofollow">excrement</a> [pboy.com]. (The best form of lubrication, they insist.) Sometimes, these 'Taco Commodes' have special 'Salsa Sauce' (blood from a ruptured rectum) and 'Cheese' (rancid flakes of <a href="http://smoke.rotten.com/bird/" title="rotten.com" rel="nofollow">penis</a> [rotten.com] discharge) toppings. And to make it even worse, <a href="http://notslashdot.org/" title="notslashdot.org" rel="nofollow">Slashdot</a> [notslashdot.org] runs on <i>Apache!</i> </p><p>The <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/iis/" title="microsoft.com" rel="nofollow">Apache</a> [microsoft.com] server, whose use among fags is as prevalent as AIDS, is named after <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] activity -- as everyone knows, popular faggot band, the Village People, featured an Apache Indian, and it is for him that this gay program is named.</p><p>And that's not forgetting the use of patches in the Linux fag world -- patches are used to make the anus accessible for repeated anal sex even after its rupture by a session of fisting.</p><p>To summarise: Linux is gay. 'Slash -- Dot' is the graphical description of the space between a young boy's scrotum and anus. And <a href="http://www.apple.com/macosx/" title="apple.com" rel="nofollow">BeOS</a> [apple.com] is for hermaphrodites and disabled 'stumpers.'</p><p> <b>FEEDBACK</b> </p><blockquote><div><p> <i>What worries me is how much you know about what gay people do. I'm scared I actually read this whole thing. I think this post is a good example of the negative effects of Internet usage on people. This person obviously has no social life anymore and had to result to writing something as stupid as this. And actually take the time to do it too. Although... I think it was satire.. blah.. it's early.</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>Well, the only reason I know all about this is because I had the misfortune to read the Linux 'Sauce code' once. Although publicised as the computer code needed to get Linux up and running on a computer (and haven't you always been worried about the phrase 'Monolithic Kernel'?), this foul document is actually a detailed and graphic description of every conceivable degrading perversion known to the human race, as well as a few of the major animal species. It has shocked and disturbed me, to the point of needing to shock and disturb the common man to <i>warn</i> them of the impending <a href="http://www.comp-u-geek.net/" title="comp-u-geek.net" rel="nofollow">homo</a> [comp-u-geek.net]-calypse which threatens to engulf our planet.</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>You must work for the government. Trying to post the most obscene stuff in hopes that slashdot won't be able to continue or something, due to legal woes. If i ever see your ugly face, i'm going to stick my fireplace poker up your ass, after it's nice and hot, to weld shut that nasty gaping hole of yours.</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>Doesn't it give you a hard-on to imagine your thick strong poker ramming it's way up my most sacred of sphincters? You're beyond help, my friend, as the only thing you can imagine is the foul penetrative violation of another man. Are you sure you're not Eric Raymond? The government, being populated by limp-wristed liberals, could never stem the sickening tide of <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] child molesting Linux advocacy. Hell, they've given NAMBLA free reign for years!</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>you really should post this logged in. i wish i could remember jebus's password, cuz i'd give it to you.</i> -- <a href="http://slashdot.org/users.pl?nick=mighty\%20jebus" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">mighty jebus</a> [slashdot.org], Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>Thank you for your kind words of support. However, this document shall only ever be posted anonymously. This is because the 'Open Sauce' movement is a sham, proposing homoerotic cults of hero worshipping in the name of freedom. I speak for the common man. For any man who prefers the warm, enveloping velvet folds of a woman's <a href="http://www.happy.bodysnatchers.co.uk/deadcunt/" title="bodysnatchers.co.uk" rel="nofollow">vagina</a> [bodysnatchers.co.uk] to the tight puckered ringpiece of a child. These men, being common, decent folk, don't have a say in the political hypocrisy that is Slashdot culture. I am the <a href="http://www.hitler.org/" title="hitler.org" rel="nofollow">unknown liberator</a> [hitler.org].</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>ROLF LAMO i hate linux FAGGOTS</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>We shouldn't hate them, we should pity them for the misguided fools they are... Fanatical Linux zeal-outs need to be herded into camps for re-education and subsequent rehabilitation into normal heterosexual society. This re-education shall be achieved by forcing them to watch repeats of <i>Baywatch</i> until the very mention of <a href="http://fotm.rotten.com/fotm/vertical.html" title="rotten.com" rel="nofollow">Pamela Anderson</a> [rotten.com] causes them to fill their pants with healthy heterosexual <a href="http://www.zillabunny.com/express/" title="zillabunny.com" rel="nofollow">jism</a> [zillabunny.com].</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>Actually, that's not at all how scrotal inflation works. I understand it involves injecting sterile saline solution into the scrotum. I've never tried this, but you can read how to do it safely in case you're interested. (Before you moderate this down, ask yourself honestly -- who are the real crazies -- people who do scrotal inflation, or people who pay $1000+ for a game console?)</i> -- <a href="http://slashdot.org/users.pl?nick=double\_h" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">double\_h</a> [slashdot.org], Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>Well, it just goes to show that even the holy Linux 'sauce code' is riddled with bugs that need fixing. (The irony of Jon Katz not even being able to inflate his scrotum correctly has not been lost on me.) The Linux pervert elite already acknowledge this, with their queer slogan: 'Given enough arms, all rectums are shallow.' And anyway, the <a href="http://www.xbox.com/" title="xbox.com" rel="nofollow">PS2</a> [xbox.com] sucks major cock and isn't worth the money. Intellivision forever!</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>dude did u used to post on msnbc's nt bulletin board now that u are doing anti-gay posts u also need to start in with anti-black stuff too c u in church</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>For one thing, whilst Linux is a cavalcade of queer propaganda masquerading as the future of computing, <a href="http://www.linux.com/" title="linux.com" rel="nofollow">NT</a> [linux.com] is used by people who think nothing better of encasing their genitals in quick setting plaster then going to see a really dirty porno film, enjoying the restriction enforced onto them. Remember, a wasted arousal is a <i>sin</i> in the eyes of the <a href="http://www.atheism.org/" title="atheism.org" rel="nofollow">Catholic church</a> [atheism.org]. Clearly, the only god-fearing Christian operating system in existence is CP/M -- The Christian Program Monitor. All computer users should immediately ask their local pastor to install this fine OS onto their systems. It is the only route to salvation.</p><p>Secondly, this message is for <i>every</i> man. Computers know no colour. Not only that, but one of the finest websites in the world is maintained by <i> <a href="http://www.stileproject.com/" title="stileproject.com" rel="nofollow">a Black Man</a> [stileproject.com] </i>. Now fuck off you racist donkey felcher.</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>And don't forget that slashdot was written in Perl, which is just too close to 'Pearl Necklace' for comfort.... oh wait; that's something all you heterosexuals do.... I can't help but wonder how much faster the trolls could do First-Posts on this site if it were redone in PHP... I could hand-type dynamic HTML pages faster than Perl can do them.</i> -- <a href="http://slashdot.org/users.pl?nick=phee" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">phee</a> [slashdot.org], Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>Although there is nothing unholy about the fine heterosexual act of ejaculating between a woman's breasts, squirting one's load up towards her neck and chin area, it should be noted that <a href="http://www.python.org/" title="python.org" rel="nofollow">Perl</a> [python.org] (standing for <b>P</b>ansies <b>E</b>ntering <b>R</b>ectums <b>L</b>ocally) is also close to 'Pearl Monocle,' 'Pearl Nosering,' and the ubiquitous 'Pearl Enema.'</p><p>One scary thing about <a href="http://java.sun.com/" title="sun.com" rel="nofollow">Perl</a> [sun.com] is that it contains hidden <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] messages. Take the following code: <tt>LWP::Simple</tt> -- It looks innocuous enough, doesn't it? But look at the line closely: <i>There are two colons next to each other!</i> As Larry 'Balls to the' Wall would openly admit in the Perl Documentation, Perl was designed from the ground up to indoctrinate it's programmers into performing unnatural sexual acts -- having two colons so closely together is clearly a reference to the perverse sickening act of 'colon kissing,' whereby two <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] queers spread their buttocks wide, pressing their filthy torn sphincters together. They then share small round objects like marbles or golfballs by passing them from one rectum to another using muscle contraction alone. This is also referred to in programming 'circles' as 'Parameter Passing.'</p><p>And <a href="http://www.perl.org/" title="perl.org" rel="nofollow">PHP</a> [perl.org] stands for <b>P</b>erverted <b>H</b>omosexual <b>P</b>enetration. Didn't you know?</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>Thank you for your valuable input on this. I am sure you will be never forgotten. BTW: Did I mention that this could be useful in terraforming Mars? Mars rulaa.</i> -- <a href="http://slashdot.org/users.pl?nick=Eimernase" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">Eimernase</a> [slashdot.org], Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>Well, I don't know about terraforming Mars, but I <i>do</i> know that <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] Linux Advocates have been probing Uranus for years.</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>That's inspiring. Keep up the good work, AC. May God in his wisdom grant you the strength to bring the plain honest truth to this community, and make it pure again. Yours, Cerberus.</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p> <i>*sniff*</i> That brings a tear to my eye. Thank you once more for your kind support. I have taken faith in the knowledge that I am doing the <a href="http://www.atheism.org/" title="atheism.org" rel="nofollow">Good Lord</a> [atheism.org]'s work, but it is encouraging to know that I am helping out the common man here.</p><p>However, I should be cautious about revealing your name 'Cerberus' on such a filthy den of depravity as Slashdot. It is a well known fact that the 'Kerberos' documentation from Microsoft is a detailed manual describing, in intimate, exacting detail, how to sexually penetrate a variety of unwilling canine animals; be they domesticated, wild, or mythical. Slashdot posters have taken great pleasure in illegally spreading this documentation far and wide, treating it as an 'extension' to the Linux 'Sauce Code,' for the sake of 'interoperability.' (The slang term they use for nonconsensual intercourse -- their favourite kind.)</p><p>In fact, sick twisted Linux deviants are known to have LAN parties, (<b>L</b>ove of <b>A</b>nal <b>N</b>aughtiness, needless to say.), wherein they entice a stray dog, known as the 'Samba Mount,' into their homes. Up to four of these filth-sodden blasphemers against nature take turns to plunge their erect, throbbing, uncircumcised members, conkers-deep, into the rectum, mouth, and other fleshy orifices of the poor animal. Eventually, the 'Samba Mount' collapses due to 'overload,' and needs to be 'rebooted.' (<i>i.e.,</i> kicked out into the street, and left to fend for itself.) Many Linux users boast about their 'uptime' in such situations.</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>Inspiring stuff! If only all trolls were this quality!</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>If only indeed. You can help our brave cause by moderating this message up as often as possible. I recommend '+1, Underrated,' as that will protect your precious Karma in <a href="http://slashdot.org/metamod.pl" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">Metamoderation</a> [slashdot.org]. Only then can we break through the glass ceiling of Homosexual Slashdot Culture. Is it any wonder that the new version of Slashcode has been christened 'Bender'???</p><p>If we can get just one of these postings up to at least '+1,' then it will be archived <i>forever!</i> Others will learn of our struggle, and join with us in our battle for freedom!</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>It's pathetic you've spent so much time writing this.</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>I am compelled to document the foulness and <a href="http://www.catholic.net/" title="catholic.net" rel="nofollow">carnal depravity</a> [catholic.net] that is Linux, in order that we may prepare ourselves for the great holy war that is to follow. It is my solemn duty to peel back the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wire brush of enlightenment.</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>As with any great open-source project, you need someone asking this question, so I'll do it. When the hell is version 2.0 going to be ready?!?!</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>I could make an arrogant, childish comment along the lines of 'Every time someone asks for 2.0, I won't release it for another 24 hours,' but the truth of the matter is that I'm quite nervous of releasing a 'number two,' as I can guarantee some filthy shit-slurping Linux pervert would want to suck it straight out of my anus before I've even had chance to wipe.</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>I desperately want to suck your monolithic kernel, you sexy hunk, you.</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>I sincerely hope you're <a href="http://www.geocities.com/signal\_sig/petri.html" title="geocities.com" rel="nofollow">Natalie Portman</a> [geocities.com].</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>Dude, nothing on slashdot larger than 3 paragraphs is worth reading. Try to distill the message, whatever it was, and maybe I'll read it. As it is, I have to much open source software to write to waste even 10 seconds of precious time. 10 seconds is all its gonna take M$ to whoop Linux's ass. Vigilence is the price of Free (as in libre -- from the fine, frou frou French language) Software. Hack on fellow geeks, and remember: Friday is Bouillabaisse day except for heathens who do not believe that Jesus died for their sins. Those godless, oil drench, bearded sexist clowns can pull grits from their pantaloons (another fine, fine French word) and eat that. Anyway, try to keep your message focused and concise. For concision is the soul of derision. Way.</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>What the <i>fuck?</i> </p><blockquote><div><p> <i>I've read your gay conspiracy post version 1.3.0 and I must say I'm impressed. In particular, I appreciate how you have managed to squeeze in a healthy dose of the latent homosexuality you gay-bashing <a href="http://www.comp-u-geek.net/" title="comp-u-geek.net" rel="nofollow">homos</a> [comp-u-geek.net] tend to be full of. Thank you again.</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>Well bugger me!</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>ooooh honey. how insecure are you!!! wann a little massage from deare bruci. love you</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>Fuck <i>right</i> off!</p><p>IMPORTANT: This message needs to be heard (Not <a href="http://www.linux.org/" title="linux.org" rel="nofollow">HURD</a> [linux.org], which is an acronym for '<b>H</b>uge <b>U</b>nclean <b>R</b>ectal <b>D</b>ilator') across the whole community, so it has been released into the <a href="http://www.icopyright.com/" title="icopyright.com" rel="nofollow">Public Domain</a> [icopyright.com]. You know, that licence that we all had before those homoerotic crypto-fascists came out with the <a href="http://www.publicsource.apple.com/apsl/" title="apple.com" rel="nofollow">GPL</a> [apple.com] (<b>G</b>ay <b>P</b>enetration <b>L</b>icense) that is no more than an excuse to see who's got the biggest <a href="http://vagina.rotten.com/fecaljapan/" title="rotten.com" rel="nofollow">feces-encrusted</a> [rotten.com] cock. I would have put this up on <a href="http://www.adultmember.com/freshmeat/" title="adultmember.com" rel="nofollow">Freshmeat</a> [adultmember.com], but that name is <i>known</i> to be a euphemism for the tight rump of a young boy.</p><p>Come to think of it, the whole concept of 'Source Control' unnerves me, because it sounds a bit like 'Sauce Control,' which is a description of the <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] practice of holding the base of the cock shaft tightly upon the point of ejaculation, thus causing a build up of semenal fluid that is only released upon entry into an incision made into the base of the receiver's scrotum. And 'Open Sauce' is the act of ejaculating into another mans face or perhaps a biscuit to be shared later. Obviously, 'Closed Sauce' is the only Christian thing to do, as evidenced by the fact that it is what Cathedrals are all about.</p><p> <b>Contributors:</b> (although not to the eternal game of 'soggy biscuit' that open 'sauce' development has become) Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, phee, Anonymous Coward, mighty jebus, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, double\_h, Anonymous Coward, Eimernase, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward. Further contributions are welcome.</p><p> <b>Current changes:</b> This version sent to <a href="http://slashdot.org/~Free\%20WIPO/" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow"> <em>FreeWIPO</em> </a> [slashdot.org] by 'Bring BackATV' as plain text. Reformatted everything, added all links back in (that we could match from the previous version), many new ones (Slashbot bait links). Even more spelling fixed. Who wrote this thing, CmdrTaco himself?</p><p> <b>Previous changes:</b> Yet more changes added. Spelling fixed. Feedback added. Explanation of 'distro' system. 'Mount Point' syntax described. More filth regarding <tt>`man`</tt> and Slashdot. Yet more fucking spelling fixed. 'Fetchmail' uncovered further. More Slashbot baiting. Apache exposed. Distribution licence at foot of document.</p><p> <b>ANUX -- A full Linux distribution... <i>Up your ass!</i> </b> </p></div>
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<tokenext>It has come to my attention that the entire Linux community is a hotbed of so called 'alternative sexuality, ' which includes anything from hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to pedophilia.What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden messages contained within the names of some of Linux 's most outspoken advocates : Linus Torvalds [ microsoft.com ] is an anagram of slit anus or VD 'L, ' clearly referring to himself by the first initial .
Richard M. Stallman [ geocities.com ] , spokespervert for the Gaysex 's Not Unusual 'movement ' is an anagram of mans cram thrill ad .
Alan Cox [ microsoft.com ] is barely an anagram of anal cox which is just so filthy and unchristian it unnerves me.I 'm sure that Eric S. Raymond , composer of the satanic homosexual [ goatse.fr ] propaganda diatribe The Cathedral and the Bizarre , is probably an anagram of something queer , but we do n't need to look that far as we know he 's always shoving a gun up some poor little boy 's rectum .
Update : Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram for secondary rim and cord in my arse .
It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer .
Update the Second : It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called Fetchmail [ microsoft.com ] , which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for 'Felch Male ' -- a disgusting practise .
For those not in the know , 'felching ' is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other 's rectum .
In fact , it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of e-mail , turning it into 'e-male .
'As far as Richard 'Master ' Stallman goes , that filthy fudge-packer was actually quoted [ salon.com ] on leftist commie propaganda site Salon.com as saying the following : 'I 've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any circumstance, ' he says .
'It 's about being able to question conventional wisdom, ' he asserts .
'I believe in love , but not monogamy, ' he says plainly.And this is n't a made up troll bullshit either !
He actually stated this tripe , which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he 's a flaming homo [ comp-u-geek.net ] slut [ rotten.com ] ! Speaking about 'flaming, ' who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdot 's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz .
Although an obvious deviant anagram can not be found from his name , he has already confessed , nay boasted of the homosexual [ goatse.fr ] perversion of corrupting the innocence of young children [ slashdot.org ] .
To quote from the article linked : 'I 've got a rare kidney disease, ' I told her .
'I have to go to the bathroom a lot .
You can come with me if you want , but it takes a while .
Is that okay with you ?
Do you want a note from my doctor ?
'Is this why you were touching your penis [ rotten.com ] in the cinema , Jon ?
And letting the other boys touch it too ? We should also point out that Jon Katz refers to himself as 'Slashdot 's resident Gasbag .
' Is there any more doubt ?
For those fortunate few who are n't aware of the list of homosexual [ goatse.fr ] terminology found inside the Linux 'Sauce Code, ' a 'Gasbag ' is a pervert who gains sexual gratification from having a thin straw inserted into his urethra ( or to use the common parlance , 'piss-pipe ' ) , then his homosexual [ goatse.fr ] lover blows firmly down the straw to inflate his scrotum .
This is , of course , when he 's not busy violating the dignity and copyright of posters to Slashdot by gathering together their postings and publishing them en masse to further his twisted and manipulative journalistic agenda.Sick , disgusting antichristian perverts , the lot of them.In addition , many of the Linux distributions ( a 'distribution ' is the most common way to spread the faggots ' wares ) are run by faggot groups .
The Slackware [ redhat.com ] distro is named after the 'Slack-wear ' fags wear to allow easy access to the anus for sexual purposes .
Furthermore , Slackware is a close anagram of claw arse , a reference to the homosexual [ goatse.fr ] practise of anal fisting .
The Mandrake [ slackware.com ] product is run by a group of French faggot satanists , and is named after the faggot nickname for the vibrator .
It was also chosen because it is an anagram for dark amen and ram naked , which is what they do.Another 'distro, ' ( abbrieviated as such because it sounds a bit like 'Disco, ' which is where homosexuals [ goatse.fr ] preyed on young boys in the 1970s ) , is Debian , [ mandrake.com ] an anagram of in a bed , which could be considered innocent enough ( after all , a bed is both where we sleep and pray ) , until we realise what other names Debian uses to describe their foul wares .
'Woody ' is obvious enough , being a term for the erect male penis [ rotten.com ] , glistening with pre-cum .
But far sicker is the phrase 'Frozen Potato ' that they use .
This filthy term , again found in the secret homosexual [ goatse.fr ] 'Sauce Code, ' refers to the solo homosexual [ goatse.fr ] practice of defecating into a clear polythene bag , shaping the turd into a crude approximation of the male phallus , then leaving it in the freezer overnight until it becomes solid .
The practitioner then proceeds to push the frozen 'potato ' up his own rectum , squeezing it in and out until his tight young balls erupt in a screaming orgasm.And Red Hat [ debian.org ] is secret homo [ comp-u-geek.net ] slang for the tip of a penis [ rotten.com ] that is soaked in blood from a freshly violated underage ringpiece.The fags have even invented special tools to aid their faggotry !
For example , the 'supermount ' tool was devised to allow deeper penetration , which is good for fags because it gives more pressure on the prostate gland .
'Automount ' is used , on the other hand , because Linux users are all fat and gay , and need to mount each other [ comp-u-geek.net ] automatically.The depths of their depravity can be seen in their use of 'mount points .
' These are , plainly speaking , the different points of penetration .
The main one is obviously/anus , but there are others .
Militant fags even say 'there is no/opt mount point ' because for these dirty perverts faggotry is not optional but a way of life.More evidence is in the fact that Linux users say how much they love ` man ` , even going so far as to say that all new Linux users ( who are in fact just innocent heterosexuals indoctrinated by the gay propaganda ) should try out ` man ` .
In no other system do users boast of their frequent recourse to a man.Other areas of the system also show Linux 's inherit gayness .
For example , people are often told of the 'FAQ, ' but how many innocent heterosexual Windows [ amiga.com ] users know what this actually means .
The answer is shocking : Faggot Anal Quest : the voyage of discovery for newly converted fags ! Even the title 'Slashdot [ geekizoid.com ] ' originally referred to a homosexual [ goatse.fr ] practice .
Slashdot [ kuro5hin.org ] of course refers to the popular gay practice of blood-letting .
The Slashbots , of course are those super-zealous homosexuals [ goatse.fr ] who take this perversion to its extreme by ripping open their anuses , as seen on the site most popular with Slashdot users , the depraved work of Satan , http : //www.eff.org/ [ eff.org ] .The editors of Slashdot [ slashduh.org ] also have homosexual [ goatse.fr ] names : 'Hemos ' is obvious in itself , being one vowel away from 'Homos .
' But even more sickening is 'Commander Taco ' which sounds a bit like 'Commode in Taco, ' filthy gay slang for a pair of spreadeagled buttocks that are caked with excrement [ pboy.com ] .
( The best form of lubrication , they insist .
) Sometimes , these 'Taco Commodes ' have special 'Salsa Sauce ' ( blood from a ruptured rectum ) and 'Cheese ' ( rancid flakes of penis [ rotten.com ] discharge ) toppings .
And to make it even worse , Slashdot [ notslashdot.org ] runs on Apache !
The Apache [ microsoft.com ] server , whose use among fags is as prevalent as AIDS , is named after homosexual [ goatse.fr ] activity -- as everyone knows , popular faggot band , the Village People , featured an Apache Indian , and it is for him that this gay program is named.And that 's not forgetting the use of patches in the Linux fag world -- patches are used to make the anus accessible for repeated anal sex even after its rupture by a session of fisting.To summarise : Linux is gay .
'Slash -- Dot ' is the graphical description of the space between a young boy 's scrotum and anus .
And BeOS [ apple.com ] is for hermaphrodites and disabled 'stumpers .
' FEEDBACK What worries me is how much you know about what gay people do .
I 'm scared I actually read this whole thing .
I think this post is a good example of the negative effects of Internet usage on people .
This person obviously has no social life anymore and had to result to writing something as stupid as this .
And actually take the time to do it too .
Although... I think it was satire.. blah.. it 's early .
-- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotWell , the only reason I know all about this is because I had the misfortune to read the Linux 'Sauce code ' once .
Although publicised as the computer code needed to get Linux up and running on a computer ( and have n't you always been worried about the phrase 'Monolithic Kernel ' ?
) , this foul document is actually a detailed and graphic description of every conceivable degrading perversion known to the human race , as well as a few of the major animal species .
It has shocked and disturbed me , to the point of needing to shock and disturb the common man to warn them of the impending homo [ comp-u-geek.net ] -calypse which threatens to engulf our planet .
You must work for the government .
Trying to post the most obscene stuff in hopes that slashdot wo n't be able to continue or something , due to legal woes .
If i ever see your ugly face , i 'm going to stick my fireplace poker up your ass , after it 's nice and hot , to weld shut that nasty gaping hole of yours .
-- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotDoes n't it give you a hard-on to imagine your thick strong poker ramming it 's way up my most sacred of sphincters ?
You 're beyond help , my friend , as the only thing you can imagine is the foul penetrative violation of another man .
Are you sure you 're not Eric Raymond ?
The government , being populated by limp-wristed liberals , could never stem the sickening tide of homosexual [ goatse.fr ] child molesting Linux advocacy .
Hell , they 've given NAMBLA free reign for years !
you really should post this logged in .
i wish i could remember jebus 's password , cuz i 'd give it to you .
-- mighty jebus [ slashdot.org ] , SlashdotThank you for your kind words of support .
However , this document shall only ever be posted anonymously .
This is because the 'Open Sauce ' movement is a sham , proposing homoerotic cults of hero worshipping in the name of freedom .
I speak for the common man .
For any man who prefers the warm , enveloping velvet folds of a woman 's vagina [ bodysnatchers.co.uk ] to the tight puckered ringpiece of a child .
These men , being common , decent folk , do n't have a say in the political hypocrisy that is Slashdot culture .
I am the unknown liberator [ hitler.org ] .
ROLF LAMO i hate linux FAGGOTS -- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotWe should n't hate them , we should pity them for the misguided fools they are... Fanatical Linux zeal-outs need to be herded into camps for re-education and subsequent rehabilitation into normal heterosexual society .
This re-education shall be achieved by forcing them to watch repeats of Baywatch until the very mention of Pamela Anderson [ rotten.com ] causes them to fill their pants with healthy heterosexual jism [ zillabunny.com ] .
Actually , that 's not at all how scrotal inflation works .
I understand it involves injecting sterile saline solution into the scrotum .
I 've never tried this , but you can read how to do it safely in case you 're interested .
( Before you moderate this down , ask yourself honestly -- who are the real crazies -- people who do scrotal inflation , or people who pay $ 1000 + for a game console ?
) -- double \ _h [ slashdot.org ] , SlashdotWell , it just goes to show that even the holy Linux 'sauce code ' is riddled with bugs that need fixing .
( The irony of Jon Katz not even being able to inflate his scrotum correctly has not been lost on me .
) The Linux pervert elite already acknowledge this , with their queer slogan : 'Given enough arms , all rectums are shallow .
' And anyway , the PS2 [ xbox.com ] sucks major cock and is n't worth the money .
Intellivision forever !
dude did u used to post on msnbc 's nt bulletin board now that u are doing anti-gay posts u also need to start in with anti-black stuff too c u in church -- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotFor one thing , whilst Linux is a cavalcade of queer propaganda masquerading as the future of computing , NT [ linux.com ] is used by people who think nothing better of encasing their genitals in quick setting plaster then going to see a really dirty porno film , enjoying the restriction enforced onto them .
Remember , a wasted arousal is a sin in the eyes of the Catholic church [ atheism.org ] .
Clearly , the only god-fearing Christian operating system in existence is CP/M -- The Christian Program Monitor .
All computer users should immediately ask their local pastor to install this fine OS onto their systems .
It is the only route to salvation.Secondly , this message is for every man .
Computers know no colour .
Not only that , but one of the finest websites in the world is maintained by a Black Man [ stileproject.com ] .
Now fuck off you racist donkey felcher .
And do n't forget that slashdot was written in Perl , which is just too close to 'Pearl Necklace ' for comfort.... oh wait ; that 's something all you heterosexuals do.... I ca n't help but wonder how much faster the trolls could do First-Posts on this site if it were redone in PHP... I could hand-type dynamic HTML pages faster than Perl can do them .
-- phee [ slashdot.org ] , SlashdotAlthough there is nothing unholy about the fine heterosexual act of ejaculating between a woman 's breasts , squirting one 's load up towards her neck and chin area , it should be noted that Perl [ python.org ] ( standing for Pansies Entering Rectums Locally ) is also close to 'Pearl Monocle, ' 'Pearl Nosering, ' and the ubiquitous 'Pearl Enema .
'One scary thing about Perl [ sun.com ] is that it contains hidden homosexual [ goatse.fr ] messages .
Take the following code : LWP : : Simple -- It looks innocuous enough , does n't it ?
But look at the line closely : There are two colons next to each other !
As Larry 'Balls to the ' Wall would openly admit in the Perl Documentation , Perl was designed from the ground up to indoctrinate it 's programmers into performing unnatural sexual acts -- having two colons so closely together is clearly a reference to the perverse sickening act of 'colon kissing, ' whereby two homosexual [ goatse.fr ] queers spread their buttocks wide , pressing their filthy torn sphincters together .
They then share small round objects like marbles or golfballs by passing them from one rectum to another using muscle contraction alone .
This is also referred to in programming 'circles ' as 'Parameter Passing .
'And PHP [ perl.org ] stands for Perverted Homosexual Penetration .
Did n't you know ?
Thank you for your valuable input on this .
I am sure you will be never forgotten .
BTW : Did I mention that this could be useful in terraforming Mars ?
Mars rulaa .
-- Eimernase [ slashdot.org ] , SlashdotWell , I do n't know about terraforming Mars , but I do know that homosexual [ goatse.fr ] Linux Advocates have been probing Uranus for years .
That 's inspiring .
Keep up the good work , AC .
May God in his wisdom grant you the strength to bring the plain honest truth to this community , and make it pure again .
Yours , Cerberus .
-- Anonymous Coward , Slashdot * sniff * That brings a tear to my eye .
Thank you once more for your kind support .
I have taken faith in the knowledge that I am doing the Good Lord [ atheism.org ] 's work , but it is encouraging to know that I am helping out the common man here.However , I should be cautious about revealing your name 'Cerberus ' on such a filthy den of depravity as Slashdot .
It is a well known fact that the 'Kerberos ' documentation from Microsoft is a detailed manual describing , in intimate , exacting detail , how to sexually penetrate a variety of unwilling canine animals ; be they domesticated , wild , or mythical .
Slashdot posters have taken great pleasure in illegally spreading this documentation far and wide , treating it as an 'extension ' to the Linux 'Sauce Code, ' for the sake of 'interoperability .
' ( The slang term they use for nonconsensual intercourse -- their favourite kind .
) In fact , sick twisted Linux deviants are known to have LAN parties , ( Love of Anal Naughtiness , needless to say .
) , wherein they entice a stray dog , known as the 'Samba Mount, ' into their homes .
Up to four of these filth-sodden blasphemers against nature take turns to plunge their erect , throbbing , uncircumcised members , conkers-deep , into the rectum , mouth , and other fleshy orifices of the poor animal .
Eventually , the 'Samba Mount ' collapses due to 'overload, ' and needs to be 'rebooted .
' ( i.e. , kicked out into the street , and left to fend for itself .
) Many Linux users boast about their 'uptime ' in such situations .
Inspiring stuff !
If only all trolls were this quality !
-- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotIf only indeed .
You can help our brave cause by moderating this message up as often as possible .
I recommend ' + 1 , Underrated, ' as that will protect your precious Karma in Metamoderation [ slashdot.org ] .
Only then can we break through the glass ceiling of Homosexual Slashdot Culture .
Is it any wonder that the new version of Slashcode has been christened 'Bender ' ? ?
? If we can get just one of these postings up to at least ' + 1, ' then it will be archived forever !
Others will learn of our struggle , and join with us in our battle for freedom !
It 's pathetic you 've spent so much time writing this .
-- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotI am compelled to document the foulness and carnal depravity [ catholic.net ] that is Linux , in order that we may prepare ourselves for the great holy war that is to follow .
It is my solemn duty to peel back the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wire brush of enlightenment .
As with any great open-source project , you need someone asking this question , so I 'll do it .
When the hell is version 2.0 going to be ready ? ! ? !
-- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotI could make an arrogant , childish comment along the lines of 'Every time someone asks for 2.0 , I wo n't release it for another 24 hours, ' but the truth of the matter is that I 'm quite nervous of releasing a 'number two, ' as I can guarantee some filthy shit-slurping Linux pervert would want to suck it straight out of my anus before I 've even had chance to wipe .
I desperately want to suck your monolithic kernel , you sexy hunk , you .
-- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotI sincerely hope you 're Natalie Portman [ geocities.com ] .
Dude , nothing on slashdot larger than 3 paragraphs is worth reading .
Try to distill the message , whatever it was , and maybe I 'll read it .
As it is , I have to much open source software to write to waste even 10 seconds of precious time .
10 seconds is all its gon na take M $ to whoop Linux 's ass .
Vigilence is the price of Free ( as in libre -- from the fine , frou frou French language ) Software .
Hack on fellow geeks , and remember : Friday is Bouillabaisse day except for heathens who do not believe that Jesus died for their sins .
Those godless , oil drench , bearded sexist clowns can pull grits from their pantaloons ( another fine , fine French word ) and eat that .
Anyway , try to keep your message focused and concise .
For concision is the soul of derision .
Way. -- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotWhat the fuck ?
I 've read your gay conspiracy post version 1.3.0 and I must say I 'm impressed .
In particular , I appreciate how you have managed to squeeze in a healthy dose of the latent homosexuality you gay-bashing homos [ comp-u-geek.net ] tend to be full of .
Thank you again .
-- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotWell bugger me !
ooooh honey .
how insecure are you ! ! !
wann a little massage from deare bruci .
love you -- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotFuck right off ! IMPORTANT : This message needs to be heard ( Not HURD [ linux.org ] , which is an acronym for 'Huge Unclean Rectal Dilator ' ) across the whole community , so it has been released into the Public Domain [ icopyright.com ] .
You know , that licence that we all had before those homoerotic crypto-fascists came out with the GPL [ apple.com ] ( Gay Penetration License ) that is no more than an excuse to see who 's got the biggest feces-encrusted [ rotten.com ] cock .
I would have put this up on Freshmeat [ adultmember.com ] , but that name is known to be a euphemism for the tight rump of a young boy.Come to think of it , the whole concept of 'Source Control ' unnerves me , because it sounds a bit like 'Sauce Control, ' which is a description of the homosexual [ goatse.fr ] practice of holding the base of the cock shaft tightly upon the point of ejaculation , thus causing a build up of semenal fluid that is only released upon entry into an incision made into the base of the receiver 's scrotum .
And 'Open Sauce ' is the act of ejaculating into another mans face or perhaps a biscuit to be shared later .
Obviously , 'Closed Sauce ' is the only Christian thing to do , as evidenced by the fact that it is what Cathedrals are all about .
Contributors : ( although not to the eternal game of 'soggy biscuit ' that open 'sauce ' development has become ) Anonymous Coward , Anonymous Coward , phee , Anonymous Coward , mighty jebus , Anonymous Coward , Anonymous Coward , double \ _h , Anonymous Coward , Eimernase , Anonymous Coward , Anonymous Coward , Anonymous Coward , Anonymous Coward , Anonymous Coward , Anonymous Coward , Anonymous Coward , Anonymous Coward .
Further contributions are welcome .
Current changes : This version sent to FreeWIPO [ slashdot.org ] by 'Bring BackATV ' as plain text .
Reformatted everything , added all links back in ( that we could match from the previous version ) , many new ones ( Slashbot bait links ) .
Even more spelling fixed .
Who wrote this thing , CmdrTaco himself ?
Previous changes : Yet more changes added .
Spelling fixed .
Feedback added .
Explanation of 'distro ' system .
'Mount Point ' syntax described .
More filth regarding ` man ` and Slashdot .
Yet more fucking spelling fixed .
'Fetchmail ' uncovered further .
More Slashbot baiting .
Apache exposed .
Distribution licence at foot of document .
ANUX -- A full Linux distribution... Up your ass !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It has come to my attention that the entire Linux community is a hotbed of so called 'alternative sexuality,' which includes anything from hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to pedophilia.What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden messages contained within the names of some of Linux's most outspoken advocates: Linus Torvalds [microsoft.com] is an anagram of slit anus or VD 'L,' clearly referring to himself by the first initial.
Richard M. Stallman [geocities.com], spokespervert for the Gaysex's Not Unusual 'movement' is an anagram of mans cram thrill ad.
Alan Cox [microsoft.com] is barely an anagram of anal cox which is just so filthy and unchristian it unnerves me.I'm sure that Eric S. Raymond, composer of the satanic homosexual [goatse.fr] propaganda diatribe The Cathedral and the Bizarre, is probably an anagram of something queer, but we don't need to look that far as we know he's always shoving a gun up some poor little boy's rectum.
Update: Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram for secondary rim and cord in my arse.
It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer.
Update the Second: It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called Fetchmail [microsoft.com], which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for 'Felch Male' -- a disgusting practise.
For those not in the know, 'felching' is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other's rectum.
In fact, it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of e-mail, turning it into 'e-male.
'As far as Richard 'Master' Stallman goes, that filthy fudge-packer was actually quoted [salon.com] on leftist commie propaganda site Salon.com as saying the following: 'I've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any circumstance,' he says.
'It's about being able to question conventional wisdom,' he asserts.
'I believe in love, but not monogamy,' he says plainly.And this isn't a made up troll bullshit either!
He actually stated this tripe, which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he's a flaming homo [comp-u-geek.net] slut [rotten.com]!Speaking about 'flaming,' who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdot's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz.
Although an obvious deviant anagram cannot be found from his name, he has already confessed, nay boasted of the homosexual [goatse.fr] perversion of corrupting the innocence of young children [slashdot.org].
To quote from the article linked:'I've got a rare kidney disease,' I told her.
'I have to go to the bathroom a lot.
You can come with me if you want, but it takes a while.
Is that okay with you?
Do you want a note from my doctor?
'Is this why you were touching your penis [rotten.com] in the cinema, Jon?
And letting the other boys touch it too?We should also point out that Jon Katz refers to himself as 'Slashdot's resident Gasbag.
' Is there any more doubt?
For those fortunate few who aren't aware of the list of homosexual [goatse.fr] terminology found inside the Linux 'Sauce Code,' a 'Gasbag' is a pervert who gains sexual gratification from having a thin straw inserted into his urethra (or to use the common parlance, 'piss-pipe'), then his homosexual [goatse.fr] lover blows firmly down the straw to inflate his scrotum.
This is, of course, when he's not busy violating the dignity and copyright of posters to Slashdot by gathering together their postings and publishing them en masse to further his twisted and manipulative journalistic agenda.Sick, disgusting antichristian perverts, the lot of them.In addition, many of the Linux distributions (a 'distribution' is the most common way to spread the faggots' wares) are run by faggot groups.
The Slackware [redhat.com] distro is named after the 'Slack-wear' fags wear to allow easy access to the anus for sexual purposes.
Furthermore, Slackware is a close anagram of claw arse, a reference to the homosexual [goatse.fr] practise of anal fisting.
The Mandrake [slackware.com] product is run by a group of French faggot satanists, and is named after the faggot nickname for the vibrator.
It was also chosen because it is an anagram for dark amen and ram naked, which is what they do.Another 'distro,' (abbrieviated as such because it sounds a bit like 'Disco,' which is where homosexuals [goatse.fr] preyed on young boys in the 1970s), is Debian, [mandrake.com] an anagram of in a bed, which could be considered innocent enough (after all, a bed is both where we sleep and pray), until we realise what other names Debian uses to describe their foul wares.
'Woody' is obvious enough, being a term for the erect male penis [rotten.com], glistening with pre-cum.
But far sicker is the phrase 'Frozen Potato' that they use.
This filthy term, again found in the secret homosexual [goatse.fr] 'Sauce Code,' refers to the solo homosexual [goatse.fr] practice of defecating into a clear polythene bag, shaping the turd into a crude approximation of the male phallus, then leaving it in the freezer overnight until it becomes solid.
The practitioner then proceeds to push the frozen 'potato' up his own rectum, squeezing it in and out until his tight young balls erupt in a screaming orgasm.And Red Hat [debian.org] is secret homo [comp-u-geek.net] slang for the tip of a penis [rotten.com] that is soaked in blood from a freshly violated underage ringpiece.The fags have even invented special tools to aid their faggotry!
For example, the 'supermount' tool was devised to allow deeper penetration, which is good for fags because it gives more pressure on the prostate gland.
'Automount' is used, on the other hand, because Linux users are all fat and gay, and need to mount each other [comp-u-geek.net] automatically.The depths of their depravity can be seen in their use of 'mount points.
' These are, plainly speaking, the different points of penetration.
The main one is obviously/anus, but there are others.
Militant fags even say 'there is no/opt mount point' because for these dirty perverts faggotry is not optional but a way of life.More evidence is in the fact that Linux users say how much they love `man`, even going so far as to say that all new Linux users (who are in fact just innocent heterosexuals indoctrinated by the gay propaganda) should try out `man`.
In no other system do users boast of their frequent recourse to a man.Other areas of the system also show Linux's inherit gayness.
For example, people are often told of the 'FAQ,' but how many innocent heterosexual Windows [amiga.com] users know what this actually means.
The answer is shocking: Faggot Anal Quest: the voyage of discovery for newly converted fags!Even the title 'Slashdot [geekizoid.com]' originally referred to a homosexual [goatse.fr] practice.
Slashdot [kuro5hin.org] of course refers to the popular gay practice of blood-letting.
The Slashbots, of course are those super-zealous homosexuals [goatse.fr] who take this perversion to its extreme by ripping open their anuses, as seen on the site most popular with Slashdot users, the depraved work of Satan, http://www.eff.org/ [eff.org].The editors of Slashdot [slashduh.org] also have homosexual [goatse.fr] names: 'Hemos' is obvious in itself, being one vowel away from 'Homos.
' But even more sickening is 'Commander Taco' which sounds a bit like 'Commode in Taco,' filthy gay slang for a pair of spreadeagled buttocks that are caked with excrement [pboy.com].
(The best form of lubrication, they insist.
) Sometimes, these 'Taco Commodes' have special 'Salsa Sauce' (blood from a ruptured rectum) and 'Cheese' (rancid flakes of penis [rotten.com] discharge) toppings.
And to make it even worse, Slashdot [notslashdot.org] runs on Apache!
The Apache [microsoft.com] server, whose use among fags is as prevalent as AIDS, is named after homosexual [goatse.fr] activity -- as everyone knows, popular faggot band, the Village People, featured an Apache Indian, and it is for him that this gay program is named.And that's not forgetting the use of patches in the Linux fag world -- patches are used to make the anus accessible for repeated anal sex even after its rupture by a session of fisting.To summarise: Linux is gay.
'Slash -- Dot' is the graphical description of the space between a young boy's scrotum and anus.
And BeOS [apple.com] is for hermaphrodites and disabled 'stumpers.
' FEEDBACK  What worries me is how much you know about what gay people do.
I'm scared I actually read this whole thing.
I think this post is a good example of the negative effects of Internet usage on people.
This person obviously has no social life anymore and had to result to writing something as stupid as this.
And actually take the time to do it too.
Although... I think it was satire.. blah.. it's early.
-- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotWell, the only reason I know all about this is because I had the misfortune to read the Linux 'Sauce code' once.
Although publicised as the computer code needed to get Linux up and running on a computer (and haven't you always been worried about the phrase 'Monolithic Kernel'?
), this foul document is actually a detailed and graphic description of every conceivable degrading perversion known to the human race, as well as a few of the major animal species.
It has shocked and disturbed me, to the point of needing to shock and disturb the common man to warn them of the impending homo [comp-u-geek.net]-calypse which threatens to engulf our planet.
You must work for the government.
Trying to post the most obscene stuff in hopes that slashdot won't be able to continue or something, due to legal woes.
If i ever see your ugly face, i'm going to stick my fireplace poker up your ass, after it's nice and hot, to weld shut that nasty gaping hole of yours.
-- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotDoesn't it give you a hard-on to imagine your thick strong poker ramming it's way up my most sacred of sphincters?
You're beyond help, my friend, as the only thing you can imagine is the foul penetrative violation of another man.
Are you sure you're not Eric Raymond?
The government, being populated by limp-wristed liberals, could never stem the sickening tide of homosexual [goatse.fr] child molesting Linux advocacy.
Hell, they've given NAMBLA free reign for years!
you really should post this logged in.
i wish i could remember jebus's password, cuz i'd give it to you.
-- mighty jebus [slashdot.org], SlashdotThank you for your kind words of support.
However, this document shall only ever be posted anonymously.
This is because the 'Open Sauce' movement is a sham, proposing homoerotic cults of hero worshipping in the name of freedom.
I speak for the common man.
For any man who prefers the warm, enveloping velvet folds of a woman's vagina [bodysnatchers.co.uk] to the tight puckered ringpiece of a child.
These men, being common, decent folk, don't have a say in the political hypocrisy that is Slashdot culture.
I am the unknown liberator [hitler.org].
ROLF LAMO i hate linux FAGGOTS -- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotWe shouldn't hate them, we should pity them for the misguided fools they are... Fanatical Linux zeal-outs need to be herded into camps for re-education and subsequent rehabilitation into normal heterosexual society.
This re-education shall be achieved by forcing them to watch repeats of Baywatch until the very mention of Pamela Anderson [rotten.com] causes them to fill their pants with healthy heterosexual jism [zillabunny.com].
Actually, that's not at all how scrotal inflation works.
I understand it involves injecting sterile saline solution into the scrotum.
I've never tried this, but you can read how to do it safely in case you're interested.
(Before you moderate this down, ask yourself honestly -- who are the real crazies -- people who do scrotal inflation, or people who pay $1000+ for a game console?
) -- double\_h [slashdot.org], SlashdotWell, it just goes to show that even the holy Linux 'sauce code' is riddled with bugs that need fixing.
(The irony of Jon Katz not even being able to inflate his scrotum correctly has not been lost on me.
) The Linux pervert elite already acknowledge this, with their queer slogan: 'Given enough arms, all rectums are shallow.
' And anyway, the PS2 [xbox.com] sucks major cock and isn't worth the money.
Intellivision forever!
dude did u used to post on msnbc's nt bulletin board now that u are doing anti-gay posts u also need to start in with anti-black stuff too c u in church -- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotFor one thing, whilst Linux is a cavalcade of queer propaganda masquerading as the future of computing, NT [linux.com] is used by people who think nothing better of encasing their genitals in quick setting plaster then going to see a really dirty porno film, enjoying the restriction enforced onto them.
Remember, a wasted arousal is a sin in the eyes of the Catholic church [atheism.org].
Clearly, the only god-fearing Christian operating system in existence is CP/M -- The Christian Program Monitor.
All computer users should immediately ask their local pastor to install this fine OS onto their systems.
It is the only route to salvation.Secondly, this message is for every man.
Computers know no colour.
Not only that, but one of the finest websites in the world is maintained by  a Black Man [stileproject.com] .
Now fuck off you racist donkey felcher.
And don't forget that slashdot was written in Perl, which is just too close to 'Pearl Necklace' for comfort.... oh wait; that's something all you heterosexuals do.... I can't help but wonder how much faster the trolls could do First-Posts on this site if it were redone in PHP... I could hand-type dynamic HTML pages faster than Perl can do them.
-- phee [slashdot.org], SlashdotAlthough there is nothing unholy about the fine heterosexual act of ejaculating between a woman's breasts, squirting one's load up towards her neck and chin area, it should be noted that Perl [python.org] (standing for Pansies Entering Rectums Locally) is also close to 'Pearl Monocle,' 'Pearl Nosering,' and the ubiquitous 'Pearl Enema.
'One scary thing about Perl [sun.com] is that it contains hidden homosexual [goatse.fr] messages.
Take the following code: LWP::Simple -- It looks innocuous enough, doesn't it?
But look at the line closely: There are two colons next to each other!
As Larry 'Balls to the' Wall would openly admit in the Perl Documentation, Perl was designed from the ground up to indoctrinate it's programmers into performing unnatural sexual acts -- having two colons so closely together is clearly a reference to the perverse sickening act of 'colon kissing,' whereby two homosexual [goatse.fr] queers spread their buttocks wide, pressing their filthy torn sphincters together.
They then share small round objects like marbles or golfballs by passing them from one rectum to another using muscle contraction alone.
This is also referred to in programming 'circles' as 'Parameter Passing.
'And PHP [perl.org] stands for Perverted Homosexual Penetration.
Didn't you know?
Thank you for your valuable input on this.
I am sure you will be never forgotten.
BTW: Did I mention that this could be useful in terraforming Mars?
Mars rulaa.
-- Eimernase [slashdot.org], SlashdotWell, I don't know about terraforming Mars, but I do know that homosexual [goatse.fr] Linux Advocates have been probing Uranus for years.
That's inspiring.
Keep up the good work, AC.
May God in his wisdom grant you the strength to bring the plain honest truth to this community, and make it pure again.
Yours, Cerberus.
-- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot *sniff* That brings a tear to my eye.
Thank you once more for your kind support.
I have taken faith in the knowledge that I am doing the Good Lord [atheism.org]'s work, but it is encouraging to know that I am helping out the common man here.However, I should be cautious about revealing your name 'Cerberus' on such a filthy den of depravity as Slashdot.
It is a well known fact that the 'Kerberos' documentation from Microsoft is a detailed manual describing, in intimate, exacting detail, how to sexually penetrate a variety of unwilling canine animals; be they domesticated, wild, or mythical.
Slashdot posters have taken great pleasure in illegally spreading this documentation far and wide, treating it as an 'extension' to the Linux 'Sauce Code,' for the sake of 'interoperability.
' (The slang term they use for nonconsensual intercourse -- their favourite kind.
)In fact, sick twisted Linux deviants are known to have LAN parties, (Love of Anal Naughtiness, needless to say.
), wherein they entice a stray dog, known as the 'Samba Mount,' into their homes.
Up to four of these filth-sodden blasphemers against nature take turns to plunge their erect, throbbing, uncircumcised members, conkers-deep, into the rectum, mouth, and other fleshy orifices of the poor animal.
Eventually, the 'Samba Mount' collapses due to 'overload,' and needs to be 'rebooted.
' (i.e., kicked out into the street, and left to fend for itself.
) Many Linux users boast about their 'uptime' in such situations.
Inspiring stuff!
If only all trolls were this quality!
-- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotIf only indeed.
You can help our brave cause by moderating this message up as often as possible.
I recommend '+1, Underrated,' as that will protect your precious Karma in Metamoderation [slashdot.org].
Only then can we break through the glass ceiling of Homosexual Slashdot Culture.
Is it any wonder that the new version of Slashcode has been christened 'Bender'??
?If we can get just one of these postings up to at least '+1,' then it will be archived forever!
Others will learn of our struggle, and join with us in our battle for freedom!
It's pathetic you've spent so much time writing this.
-- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotI am compelled to document the foulness and carnal depravity [catholic.net] that is Linux, in order that we may prepare ourselves for the great holy war that is to follow.
It is my solemn duty to peel back the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wire brush of enlightenment.
As with any great open-source project, you need someone asking this question, so I'll do it.
When the hell is version 2.0 going to be ready?!?!
-- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotI could make an arrogant, childish comment along the lines of 'Every time someone asks for 2.0, I won't release it for another 24 hours,' but the truth of the matter is that I'm quite nervous of releasing a 'number two,' as I can guarantee some filthy shit-slurping Linux pervert would want to suck it straight out of my anus before I've even had chance to wipe.
I desperately want to suck your monolithic kernel, you sexy hunk, you.
-- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotI sincerely hope you're Natalie Portman [geocities.com].
Dude, nothing on slashdot larger than 3 paragraphs is worth reading.
Try to distill the message, whatever it was, and maybe I'll read it.
As it is, I have to much open source software to write to waste even 10 seconds of precious time.
10 seconds is all its gonna take M$ to whoop Linux's ass.
Vigilence is the price of Free (as in libre -- from the fine, frou frou French language) Software.
Hack on fellow geeks, and remember: Friday is Bouillabaisse day except for heathens who do not believe that Jesus died for their sins.
Those godless, oil drench, bearded sexist clowns can pull grits from their pantaloons (another fine, fine French word) and eat that.
Anyway, try to keep your message focused and concise.
For concision is the soul of derision.
Way. -- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotWhat the fuck?
I've read your gay conspiracy post version 1.3.0 and I must say I'm impressed.
In particular, I appreciate how you have managed to squeeze in a healthy dose of the latent homosexuality you gay-bashing homos [comp-u-geek.net] tend to be full of.
Thank you again.
-- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotWell bugger me!
ooooh honey.
how insecure are you!!!
wann a little massage from deare bruci.
love you -- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotFuck right off!IMPORTANT: This message needs to be heard (Not HURD [linux.org], which is an acronym for 'Huge Unclean Rectal Dilator') across the whole community, so it has been released into the Public Domain [icopyright.com].
You know, that licence that we all had before those homoerotic crypto-fascists came out with the GPL [apple.com] (Gay Penetration License) that is no more than an excuse to see who's got the biggest feces-encrusted [rotten.com] cock.
I would have put this up on Freshmeat [adultmember.com], but that name is known to be a euphemism for the tight rump of a young boy.Come to think of it, the whole concept of 'Source Control' unnerves me, because it sounds a bit like 'Sauce Control,' which is a description of the homosexual [goatse.fr] practice of holding the base of the cock shaft tightly upon the point of ejaculation, thus causing a build up of semenal fluid that is only released upon entry into an incision made into the base of the receiver's scrotum.
And 'Open Sauce' is the act of ejaculating into another mans face or perhaps a biscuit to be shared later.
Obviously, 'Closed Sauce' is the only Christian thing to do, as evidenced by the fact that it is what Cathedrals are all about.
Contributors: (although not to the eternal game of 'soggy biscuit' that open 'sauce' development has become) Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, phee, Anonymous Coward, mighty jebus, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, double\_h, Anonymous Coward, Eimernase, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward.
Further contributions are welcome.
Current changes: This version sent to  FreeWIPO  [slashdot.org] by 'Bring BackATV' as plain text.
Reformatted everything, added all links back in (that we could match from the previous version), many new ones (Slashbot bait links).
Even more spelling fixed.
Who wrote this thing, CmdrTaco himself?
Previous changes: Yet more changes added.
Spelling fixed.
Feedback added.
Explanation of 'distro' system.
'Mount Point' syntax described.
More filth regarding `man` and Slashdot.
Yet more fucking spelling fixed.
'Fetchmail' uncovered further.
More Slashbot baiting.
Apache exposed.
Distribution licence at foot of document.
ANUX -- A full Linux distribution... Up your ass!  
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29945834</id>
	<title>Re:The part of the story you're missing...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257082860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perhaps that is only for certain product lines, like the Nuvi?</p><p>I have a "halfway modern Garmin GPS", the GPSmap60csx, and it only records the track log if set to record.  There are several options in the firmware for how to record the log file as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps that is only for certain product lines , like the Nuvi ? I have a " halfway modern Garmin GPS " , the GPSmap60csx , and it only records the track log if set to record .
There are several options in the firmware for how to record the log file as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps that is only for certain product lines, like the Nuvi?I have a "halfway modern Garmin GPS", the GPSmap60csx, and it only records the track log if set to record.
There are several options in the firmware for how to record the log file as well.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29949080</id>
	<title>Re:Wow, look at that:</title>
	<author>aclarke</author>
	<datestamp>1257167340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I drive an SUV so I guess by definition that makes me not "super energy-conscious".  Granted it has a 2.5 litre 5 cylinder turbo so it gets reasonable mileage for what it is, and I do try to drive it somewhat responsibly (albeit at 20kph over the speed limit like you suggested), but I'd have no problem contributing data to this project.
<br> <br>
I'm just not going to because my "commute" consists of me bringing my coffee upstairs to my office.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I drive an SUV so I guess by definition that makes me not " super energy-conscious " .
Granted it has a 2.5 litre 5 cylinder turbo so it gets reasonable mileage for what it is , and I do try to drive it somewhat responsibly ( albeit at 20kph over the speed limit like you suggested ) , but I 'd have no problem contributing data to this project .
I 'm just not going to because my " commute " consists of me bringing my coffee upstairs to my office .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I drive an SUV so I guess by definition that makes me not "super energy-conscious".
Granted it has a 2.5 litre 5 cylinder turbo so it gets reasonable mileage for what it is, and I do try to drive it somewhat responsibly (albeit at 20kph over the speed limit like you suggested), but I'd have no problem contributing data to this project.
I'm just not going to because my "commute" consists of me bringing my coffee upstairs to my office.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29944108</id>
	<title>TomTom</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257069060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>TomTom has been collecting this data for years for their IQ Routes:</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; http://www.tomtom.com/page/iq-routes</p><p>Did CMU ask them ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>TomTom has been collecting this data for years for their IQ Routes :     http : //www.tomtom.com/page/iq-routesDid CMU ask them ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TomTom has been collecting this data for years for their IQ Routes:
    http://www.tomtom.com/page/iq-routesDid CMU ask them ?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_01_2033242.29947498</id>
	<title>Re:The part of the story you're missing...</title>
	<author>AtariDatacenter</author>
	<datestamp>1257098700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow. Lots of poo-pooing. But partially my fault.</p><p>A clarification (since there are so many Garmin models): the Garmin Nuvi line is what I had in mind. That would be the line that is aimed at <i>automotive</i> market (which related to the topic). Sample models would be 260, 265, 780, 255, 200, 205, and all the widescreen variants.</p><p>There is no way to turn of tracking on these standard automobile models. Someone mentioned the 60csx, which is a handheld unit and not aimed at the automotive market. Same with the GPSmap60csx.</p><p>Someone else asked how you convert the hidden garmin log to a useful format. It is an XML file called "Garmin/GPX/current.gpx". An very small sample of (personal) data in my unit. Yes, Google Earth can import the whole file and show you all the recorded trip information.</p><p>BTW, if I was a law enforcement officer, or a lawyer, a Garmin Nuvi would be a prime target for a search or subpoena.</p><p>(greater/less than symbols changed so that they are not interpret as HTML)</p><p>[trkpt lat="36.038740" lon="-95.858903"][ele]222.20[/ele][time]2009-10-29T16:57:40Z[/time][/trkpt][trkpt lat="36.042936" lon="-95.859010"][ele]224.12[/ele][time]2009-10-29T16:57:56Z[/time][/trkpt][trkpt lat="36.047925" lon="-95.859132"][ele]223.64[/ele][time]2009-10-29T16:58:15Z[/time][/trkpt][trkpt lat="36.052912" lon="-95.859232"][ele]214.03[/ele][time]2009-10-29T16:58:34Z[/time][/trkpt][trkpt lat="36.057339" lon="-95.859322"][ele]220.76[/ele][time]2009-10-29T16:58:51Z[/time][/trkpt][trkpt lat="36.062054" lon="-95.859349"][ele]226.05[/ele][time]2009-10-29T16:59:09Z[/time][/trkpt][trkpt lat="36.067054" lon="-95.859362"][ele]225.57[/ele][time]2009-10-29T16:59:28Z[/time][/trkpt][trkpt lat="36.070989" lon="-95.859362"][ele]222.20[/ele][time]2009-10-29T16:59:43Z[/time][/trkpt][trkpt lat="36.075946" lon="-95.859369"][ele]226.05[/ele][time]2009-10-29T17:00:02Z[/time][/trkpt][trkpt lat="36.081213" lon="-95.859372"][ele]217.40[/ele][time]2009-10-29T17:00:22Z[/time][/trkpt][trkpt lat="36.083537" lon="-95.859033"][ele]218.36[/ele][time]2009-10-29T17:00:31Z[/time][/trkpt][trkpt lat="36.086452" lon="-95.858473"][ele]221.24[/ele][time]2009-10-29T17:00:43Z[/time][/trkpt][trkpt lat="36.088155" lon="-95.858393"][ele]218.84[/ele][time]2009-10-29T17:00:50Z[/time][/trkpt][trkpt lat="36.090343" lon="-95.858698"][ele]215.95[/ele][time]2009-10-29T17:00:58Z[/time][/trkpt][trkpt lat="36.093297" lon="-95.859247"][ele]207.30[/ele][time]2009-10-29T17:01:09Z[/time][/trkpt][trkpt lat="36.095859" lon="-95.859524"][ele]201.53[/ele][time]2009-10-29T17:01:19Z[/time][/trkpt][trkpt lat="36.097290" lon="-95.859562"][ele]204.42[/ele][time]2009-10-29T17:01:26Z[/time][/trkpt][trkpt lat="36.098406" lon="-95.859619"][ele]206.82[/ele][time]2009-10-29T17:01:34Z[/time][/trkpt][trkpt lat="36.098967" lon="-95.859507"][ele]207.78[/ele][time]2009-10-29T17:01:40Z[/time][/trkpt][trkpt lat="36.099055" lon="-95.859468"][ele]207.78[/ele][time]2009-10-29T17:01:41Z[/time][/trkpt]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow .
Lots of poo-pooing .
But partially my fault.A clarification ( since there are so many Garmin models ) : the Garmin Nuvi line is what I had in mind .
That would be the line that is aimed at automotive market ( which related to the topic ) .
Sample models would be 260 , 265 , 780 , 255 , 200 , 205 , and all the widescreen variants.There is no way to turn of tracking on these standard automobile models .
Someone mentioned the 60csx , which is a handheld unit and not aimed at the automotive market .
Same with the GPSmap60csx.Someone else asked how you convert the hidden garmin log to a useful format .
It is an XML file called " Garmin/GPX/current.gpx " .
An very small sample of ( personal ) data in my unit .
Yes , Google Earth can import the whole file and show you all the recorded trip information.BTW , if I was a law enforcement officer , or a lawyer , a Garmin Nuvi would be a prime target for a search or subpoena .
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<sentencetext>Wow.
Lots of poo-pooing.
But partially my fault.A clarification (since there are so many Garmin models): the Garmin Nuvi line is what I had in mind.
That would be the line that is aimed at automotive market (which related to the topic).
Sample models would be 260, 265, 780, 255, 200, 205, and all the widescreen variants.There is no way to turn of tracking on these standard automobile models.
Someone mentioned the 60csx, which is a handheld unit and not aimed at the automotive market.
Same with the GPSmap60csx.Someone else asked how you convert the hidden garmin log to a useful format.
It is an XML file called "Garmin/GPX/current.gpx".
An very small sample of (personal) data in my unit.
Yes, Google Earth can import the whole file and show you all the recorded trip information.BTW, if I was a law enforcement officer, or a lawyer, a Garmin Nuvi would be a prime target for a search or subpoena.
(greater/less than symbols changed so that they are not interpret as HTML)[trkpt lat="36.038740" lon="-95.858903"][ele]222.20[/ele][time]2009-10-29T16:57:40Z[/time][/trkpt][trkpt lat="36.042936" lon="-95.859010"][ele]224.12[/ele][time]2009-10-29T16:57:56Z[/time][/trkpt][trkpt lat="36.047925" lon="-95.859132"][ele]223.64[/ele][time]2009-10-29T16:58:15Z[/time][/trkpt][trkpt lat="36.052912" lon="-95.859232"][ele]214.03[/ele][time]2009-10-29T16:58:34Z[/time][/trkpt][trkpt lat="36.057339" lon="-95.859322"][ele]220.76[/ele][time]2009-10-29T16:58:51Z[/time][/trkpt][trkpt lat="36.062054" lon="-95.859349"][ele]226.05[/ele][time]2009-10-29T16:59:09Z[/time][/trkpt][trkpt lat="36.067054" lon="-95.859362"][ele]225.57[/ele][time]2009-10-29T16:59:28Z[/time][/trkpt][trkpt lat="36.070989" lon="-95.859362"][ele]222.20[/ele][time]2009-10-29T16:59:43Z[/time][/trkpt][trkpt lat="36.075946" lon="-95.859369"][ele]226.05[/ele][time]2009-10-29T17:00:02Z[/time][/trkpt][trkpt lat="36.081213" lon="-95.859372"][ele]217.40[/ele][time]2009-10-29T17:00:22Z[/time][/trkpt][trkpt lat="36.083537" lon="-95.859033"][ele]218.36[/ele][time]2009-10-29T17:00:31Z[/time][/trkpt][trkpt lat="36.086452" lon="-95.858473"][ele]221.24[/ele][time]2009-10-29T17:00:43Z[/time][/trkpt][trkpt lat="36.088155" lon="-95.858393"][ele]218.84[/ele][time]2009-10-29T17:00:50Z[/time][/trkpt][trkpt lat="36.090343" lon="-95.858698"][ele]215.95[/ele][time]2009-10-29T17:00:58Z[/time][/trkpt][trkpt lat="36.093297" lon="-95.859247"][ele]207.30[/ele][time]2009-10-29T17:01:09Z[/time][/trkpt][trkpt lat="36.095859" lon="-95.859524"][ele]201.53[/ele][time]2009-10-29T17:01:19Z[/time][/trkpt][trkpt lat="36.097290" lon="-95.859562"][ele]204.42[/ele][time]2009-10-29T17:01:26Z[/time][/trkpt][trkpt lat="36.098406" lon="-95.859619"][ele]206.82[/ele][time]2009-10-29T17:01:34Z[/time][/trkpt][trkpt lat="36.098967" lon="-95.859507"][ele]207.78[/ele][time]2009-10-29T17:01:40Z[/time][/trkpt][trkpt lat="36.099055" lon="-95.859468"][ele]207.78[/ele][time]2009-10-29T17:01:41Z[/time][/trkpt]</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:So retrofitting batteries...</title>
	<author>vlm</author>
	<datestamp>1257074520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>and the whole electric drive-train, is going to be cheaper than paying for gas?</p></div><p><div class="quote"><p>Hell, wouldn't it be cheaper to buy a new electric than to retrofit it?</p></div><p>I know you're just trolling, but its an interesting topic anyway.</p><p>Most conversion stories seem to begin with "remove burned out IC engine and leaky transmission".  You'd be surprised how expensive a new gas drivetrain plus installation costs compared to the new parts for a small electric drivetrain.  So, drivetrain is usually mentally justified as a repair cost.</p><p>Then justify the purchase price of just enough small lead acid deep cycle batteries to just barely work, because you've got leftover money from the drivetrain, and you'll never pay for gas again, even if it barely makes it to the grocery store and back.  So, first tiny battery set is usually mentally justified as an investment with a great ROI (not buying gas).</p><p>Once it works pretty well, justify more paralleled batteries for longer range, because its a luxury and you're worth it and just for the pure heck of it, etc etc.  Just like you don't "need" leather seats but you wasted the money on them anyway, you can waste the money on 100 miles worth of battery that you don't need if you really want it.  Plus you can one-up the guy you saw on the internet and who cares what it costs, you're going to out do his conversion no matter the expense.  So, second set of batteries is usually mentally justified as a pure luxury.</p></div>
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<tokenext>and the whole electric drive-train , is going to be cheaper than paying for gas ? Hell , would n't it be cheaper to buy a new electric than to retrofit it ? I know you 're just trolling , but its an interesting topic anyway.Most conversion stories seem to begin with " remove burned out IC engine and leaky transmission " .
You 'd be surprised how expensive a new gas drivetrain plus installation costs compared to the new parts for a small electric drivetrain .
So , drivetrain is usually mentally justified as a repair cost.Then justify the purchase price of just enough small lead acid deep cycle batteries to just barely work , because you 've got leftover money from the drivetrain , and you 'll never pay for gas again , even if it barely makes it to the grocery store and back .
So , first tiny battery set is usually mentally justified as an investment with a great ROI ( not buying gas ) .Once it works pretty well , justify more paralleled batteries for longer range , because its a luxury and you 're worth it and just for the pure heck of it , etc etc .
Just like you do n't " need " leather seats but you wasted the money on them anyway , you can waste the money on 100 miles worth of battery that you do n't need if you really want it .
Plus you can one-up the guy you saw on the internet and who cares what it costs , you 're going to out do his conversion no matter the expense .
So , second set of batteries is usually mentally justified as a pure luxury .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and the whole electric drive-train, is going to be cheaper than paying for gas?Hell, wouldn't it be cheaper to buy a new electric than to retrofit it?I know you're just trolling, but its an interesting topic anyway.Most conversion stories seem to begin with "remove burned out IC engine and leaky transmission".
You'd be surprised how expensive a new gas drivetrain plus installation costs compared to the new parts for a small electric drivetrain.
So, drivetrain is usually mentally justified as a repair cost.Then justify the purchase price of just enough small lead acid deep cycle batteries to just barely work, because you've got leftover money from the drivetrain, and you'll never pay for gas again, even if it barely makes it to the grocery store and back.
So, first tiny battery set is usually mentally justified as an investment with a great ROI (not buying gas).Once it works pretty well, justify more paralleled batteries for longer range, because its a luxury and you're worth it and just for the pure heck of it, etc etc.
Just like you don't "need" leather seats but you wasted the money on them anyway, you can waste the money on 100 miles worth of battery that you don't need if you really want it.
Plus you can one-up the guy you saw on the internet and who cares what it costs, you're going to out do his conversion no matter the expense.
So, second set of batteries is usually mentally justified as a pure luxury.
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