<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_10_31_2058206</id>
	<title>Blogger Humiliates Town Councillors Into Resigning</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1256984160000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Dr\_Barnowl writes <i>"In an occurrence <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ender's\_Game">first postulated in sci-fi</a> and later <a href="http://xkcd.com/635/">lampooned by stick figures</a>, it seems that a blogger has actually been responsible for the <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/somerset/8332616.stm">mass resignation of elected officials</a> &mdash; a British town council &mdash; largely by calling them 'jack***es' and Nazis. What's next? The deposition of a president with <a href="http://xkcd.com/639/">'your mom' smacktalk?</a>"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dr \ _Barnowl writes " In an occurrence first postulated in sci-fi and later lampooned by stick figures , it seems that a blogger has actually been responsible for the mass resignation of elected officials    a British town council    largely by calling them 'jack * * * es ' and Nazis .
What 's next ?
The deposition of a president with 'your mom ' smacktalk ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dr\_Barnowl writes "In an occurrence first postulated in sci-fi and later lampooned by stick figures, it seems that a blogger has actually been responsible for the mass resignation of elected officials — a British town council — largely by calling them 'jack***es' and Nazis.
What's next?
The deposition of a president with 'your mom' smacktalk?
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29942542</id>
	<title>Crazy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257100080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>This guy needs to come to Quebec<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:/</htmltext>
<tokenext>This guy needs to come to Quebec : /</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This guy needs to come to Quebec :/</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29941377</id>
	<title>Re:Can we get rid of the US Congress so easily?</title>
	<author>abigsmurf</author>
	<datestamp>1257088140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Sent men in black vans to rummage through individuals bins to make sure that they are sorting their rubbish properly (before sending to mass landfill anyway).</i>
<br> <br>
Binmen inspect what you put in the recycling bin. One bin full of badly sorted waste can contaminate an entire truck of recyclable material. If you don't sort properly, your recycled bin gets put in the landfill.
<br> <br>
<i>Started placing cameras *in* families homes - 20000 of them over the next few years.</i>
<br> <br>
Bullshit typical of the Daily Mail
<br> <br>
<i>Reduced bin collection to every *two weeks* AND reduced the size of bins.</i>
<br> <br>
Bin collection alternates recycled and landfill each week. Bins are regular sized wheelybins. If you sort, the amount of rubbish collected is no different.
<br> <br>
<i>Placed cameras in alleyways to ensure people are tying off their garbage bags properly.</i>
<br> <br>
How dare they put a camera in a public street to ensure people don't treat it like their public dump!
<br> <br>
<i>Seized the pole from a barbers shop - that had been their for 30 years.
<br>
Impounded a mothers pram.</i>
<br> <br>
More Daily Mail crap.
<br> <br>
<i>Arrested a man for leaving the lid of his bin open four inches greater than regulation allows.</i>
<br> <br>
Leaving the lid open 4 inches... and causing his street to get infested with rats. The lids have to be firmly shut for a reason. Still the story is likely BS anyway. He probably got a caution saying he'd get a fine if he continued to do it.
<br> <br>
<i>Started using thermal imaging to send residents notices if they are allowing heat to escape from their homes.</i>
<br> <br>
Sending such evil "notices" as "you could save &pound;30 a year on heating bills if you got loft insulation". How dare they give out money saving advice!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sent men in black vans to rummage through individuals bins to make sure that they are sorting their rubbish properly ( before sending to mass landfill anyway ) .
Binmen inspect what you put in the recycling bin .
One bin full of badly sorted waste can contaminate an entire truck of recyclable material .
If you do n't sort properly , your recycled bin gets put in the landfill .
Started placing cameras * in * families homes - 20000 of them over the next few years .
Bullshit typical of the Daily Mail Reduced bin collection to every * two weeks * AND reduced the size of bins .
Bin collection alternates recycled and landfill each week .
Bins are regular sized wheelybins .
If you sort , the amount of rubbish collected is no different .
Placed cameras in alleyways to ensure people are tying off their garbage bags properly .
How dare they put a camera in a public street to ensure people do n't treat it like their public dump !
Seized the pole from a barbers shop - that had been their for 30 years .
Impounded a mothers pram .
More Daily Mail crap .
Arrested a man for leaving the lid of his bin open four inches greater than regulation allows .
Leaving the lid open 4 inches... and causing his street to get infested with rats .
The lids have to be firmly shut for a reason .
Still the story is likely BS anyway .
He probably got a caution saying he 'd get a fine if he continued to do it .
Started using thermal imaging to send residents notices if they are allowing heat to escape from their homes .
Sending such evil " notices " as " you could save   30 a year on heating bills if you got loft insulation " .
How dare they give out money saving advice !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sent men in black vans to rummage through individuals bins to make sure that they are sorting their rubbish properly (before sending to mass landfill anyway).
Binmen inspect what you put in the recycling bin.
One bin full of badly sorted waste can contaminate an entire truck of recyclable material.
If you don't sort properly, your recycled bin gets put in the landfill.
Started placing cameras *in* families homes - 20000 of them over the next few years.
Bullshit typical of the Daily Mail
 
Reduced bin collection to every *two weeks* AND reduced the size of bins.
Bin collection alternates recycled and landfill each week.
Bins are regular sized wheelybins.
If you sort, the amount of rubbish collected is no different.
Placed cameras in alleyways to ensure people are tying off their garbage bags properly.
How dare they put a camera in a public street to ensure people don't treat it like their public dump!
Seized the pole from a barbers shop - that had been their for 30 years.
Impounded a mothers pram.
More Daily Mail crap.
Arrested a man for leaving the lid of his bin open four inches greater than regulation allows.
Leaving the lid open 4 inches... and causing his street to get infested with rats.
The lids have to be firmly shut for a reason.
Still the story is likely BS anyway.
He probably got a caution saying he'd get a fine if he continued to do it.
Started using thermal imaging to send residents notices if they are allowing heat to escape from their homes.
Sending such evil "notices" as "you could save £30 a year on heating bills if you got loft insulation".
How dare they give out money saving advice!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29940983</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29942378</id>
	<title>Re:Can we get rid of the US Congress so easily?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257098400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You used the term Nu Labour, therefore your arguments are totally invalid</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You used the term Nu Labour , therefore your arguments are totally invalid</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You used the term Nu Labour, therefore your arguments are totally invalid</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29940983</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29940555</id>
	<title>FINALLY!  PROOF THAT TROLLING WORKS!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257074580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>you stupid fuckers!  now i rule the wolrd!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you stupid fuckers !
now i rule the wolrd !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you stupid fuckers!
now i rule the wolrd!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29941535</id>
	<title>/. Perpetuating Further Media Stupidity?</title>
	<author>flameproof</author>
	<datestamp>1257090060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Speaking Truth to Power Dept"???   Knock it off, Slashdot.  Not all of your readers are effing braindead; no blogger on the planet is THAT good that they can bring the wheels of government (no matter how small) to a grinding stop.  Report the whole story or don't report it at all.    <a href="http://muckandbrass.blogspot.com/" title="blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Read the blogger's own stuff on this.</a> [blogspot.com]  Oh, and do your website a favor and stay off the BBC bullshit train.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Speaking Truth to Power Dept " ? ? ?
Knock it off , Slashdot .
Not all of your readers are effing braindead ; no blogger on the planet is THAT good that they can bring the wheels of government ( no matter how small ) to a grinding stop .
Report the whole story or do n't report it at all .
Read the blogger 's own stuff on this .
[ blogspot.com ] Oh , and do your website a favor and stay off the BBC bullshit train .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Speaking Truth to Power Dept"???
Knock it off, Slashdot.
Not all of your readers are effing braindead; no blogger on the planet is THAT good that they can bring the wheels of government (no matter how small) to a grinding stop.
Report the whole story or don't report it at all.
Read the blogger's own stuff on this.
[blogspot.com]  Oh, and do your website a favor and stay off the BBC bullshit train.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29941131</id>
	<title>Re:Can we get rid of the US Congress so easily?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257085260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh seriously, that's what they should expect when they are in government! Something tells me that they made the right move in resigning if they were all so thin-skinned...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh seriously , that 's what they should expect when they are in government !
Something tells me that they made the right move in resigning if they were all so thin-skinned.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh seriously, that's what they should expect when they are in government!
Something tells me that they made the right move in resigning if they were all so thin-skinned...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29940651</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29942354</id>
	<title>Re:Can we get rid of the US Congress so easily?</title>
	<author>AndyS</author>
	<datestamp>1257098160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tunbridge Wells Council collect rubbish every 2 weeks, and on the alternate week collect compostable waste and (paper) recycling.</p><p>Or at least, they did 3 years ago. I doubt it's changed</p><p>It is nowhere near as good as Sevenoaks council (where I live now), which collects rubbish every week, and has the brilliant recycling bags, which are everywhere now. They also have excellent recycling statistics.</p><p>Most of it comes from the fact that councils have to pay heavy fees to landfill rubbish, whereas they can make money (or at least lose less) on recycling. Thus they want to try and encourage people to recycle where possible. This ties into the fact that people have so little respect for local council elections that they elect people who really have no clue about democracy or using the media. The fact that they don't work on shaming people into recycling more, and applying pressure to local shops (perhaps on the threat of higher rates or otherwise) into providing better facilities (say a discount for using bags, or a charge) instead (which is very easy to explain to council tax payers), or even for the stronger suggestions actually put it to a public vote if they so choose, which wouldn't be too tricky.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tunbridge Wells Council collect rubbish every 2 weeks , and on the alternate week collect compostable waste and ( paper ) recycling.Or at least , they did 3 years ago .
I doubt it 's changedIt is nowhere near as good as Sevenoaks council ( where I live now ) , which collects rubbish every week , and has the brilliant recycling bags , which are everywhere now .
They also have excellent recycling statistics.Most of it comes from the fact that councils have to pay heavy fees to landfill rubbish , whereas they can make money ( or at least lose less ) on recycling .
Thus they want to try and encourage people to recycle where possible .
This ties into the fact that people have so little respect for local council elections that they elect people who really have no clue about democracy or using the media .
The fact that they do n't work on shaming people into recycling more , and applying pressure to local shops ( perhaps on the threat of higher rates or otherwise ) into providing better facilities ( say a discount for using bags , or a charge ) instead ( which is very easy to explain to council tax payers ) , or even for the stronger suggestions actually put it to a public vote if they so choose , which would n't be too tricky .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tunbridge Wells Council collect rubbish every 2 weeks, and on the alternate week collect compostable waste and (paper) recycling.Or at least, they did 3 years ago.
I doubt it's changedIt is nowhere near as good as Sevenoaks council (where I live now), which collects rubbish every week, and has the brilliant recycling bags, which are everywhere now.
They also have excellent recycling statistics.Most of it comes from the fact that councils have to pay heavy fees to landfill rubbish, whereas they can make money (or at least lose less) on recycling.
Thus they want to try and encourage people to recycle where possible.
This ties into the fact that people have so little respect for local council elections that they elect people who really have no clue about democracy or using the media.
The fact that they don't work on shaming people into recycling more, and applying pressure to local shops (perhaps on the threat of higher rates or otherwise) into providing better facilities (say a discount for using bags, or a charge) instead (which is very easy to explain to council tax payers), or even for the stronger suggestions actually put it to a public vote if they so choose, which wouldn't be too tricky.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29941313</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29941203</id>
	<title>Re:Can we get rid of the US Congress so easily?</title>
	<author>ta bu shi da yu</author>
	<datestamp>1257085920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh, but if only the Australian New South Wales State government would do the same thing and resign as one in protest! Currently we have to wait for just under 2 years before they will be voted out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , but if only the Australian New South Wales State government would do the same thing and resign as one in protest !
Currently we have to wait for just under 2 years before they will be voted out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, but if only the Australian New South Wales State government would do the same thing and resign as one in protest!
Currently we have to wait for just under 2 years before they will be voted out.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29940801</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29940843</id>
	<title>Re: Thats so not what its about</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257080760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First of all, I live in Somerton, and its not a backwards place like Kupfernigk is trying to make out.<br>We are just a normal town, and from the sounds of things Kupfernigk has probably hardly ever been to Somerton and thinks the have the right to criticise what they no NOTHING about!!</p><p>This isnt about blogging.  A lot of people here think that some members of the council were out to make money, and there are strong rumours that local people were trying to get them kicked off the council, so they ran instead.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First of all , I live in Somerton , and its not a backwards place like Kupfernigk is trying to make out.We are just a normal town , and from the sounds of things Kupfernigk has probably hardly ever been to Somerton and thinks the have the right to criticise what they no NOTHING about !
! This isnt about blogging .
A lot of people here think that some members of the council were out to make money , and there are strong rumours that local people were trying to get them kicked off the council , so they ran instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First of all, I live in Somerton, and its not a backwards place like Kupfernigk is trying to make out.We are just a normal town, and from the sounds of things Kupfernigk has probably hardly ever been to Somerton and thinks the have the right to criticise what they no NOTHING about!
!This isnt about blogging.
A lot of people here think that some members of the council were out to make money, and there are strong rumours that local people were trying to get them kicked off the council, so they ran instead.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29940609</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29949384</id>
	<title>Idiocracy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257171480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I got a solution.  You're a dick.</p><p>South Carolina</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I got a solution .
You 're a dick.South Carolina</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I got a solution.
You're a dick.South Carolina</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29940819</id>
	<title>Re:CounCILLors!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257080220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>---Counsellors are a different breed of people altogether, like Troi.---</p><p>I think you misspelled "prostitute."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>---Counsellors are a different breed of people altogether , like Troi.---I think you misspelled " prostitute .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>---Counsellors are a different breed of people altogether, like Troi.---I think you misspelled "prostitute.
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29940607</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29940607</id>
	<title>CounCILLors!</title>
	<author>earthloop</author>
	<datestamp>1257075660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They're councillors.  As in, people on a council.</p><p>Counsellors are a different breed of people altogether, like Troi.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're councillors .
As in , people on a council.Counsellors are a different breed of people altogether , like Troi .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're councillors.
As in, people on a council.Counsellors are a different breed of people altogether, like Troi.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29940587</id>
	<title>If ONLY THAT WORKED HERE !!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257075300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The editors here are stupid, ignorant, narcissistic, trolling assholes !!</p><p>I'm not naming names kdawson, and your alter-egos.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The editors here are stupid , ignorant , narcissistic , trolling assholes !
! I 'm not naming names kdawson , and your alter-egos .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The editors here are stupid, ignorant, narcissistic, trolling assholes !
!I'm not naming names kdawson, and your alter-egos.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29941177</id>
	<title>Funny thing about the Truth.</title>
	<author>geekmux</author>
	<datestamp>1257085740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>"...largely by calling them 'jack***es' and Nazis. What's next? The deposition of a president with 'your mom' smacktalk?"</i> </p><p>Bloggers, news reporters, CNN, Wall Street Journal...Funny thing about when the Truth comes out.  Really doesn't matter who reports it.  If it's valid and bad enough, people will be affected by it.  Chances are they resigned <b>not</b> because the accusations were false and therefore they could have fought it with a valid counterargument.</p><p>I know it's pretty sad to realize that we're going to be getting the "news" from sources like blogs and twitter, but where do you think the large news sources are looking for their "scoop"?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" ...largely by calling them 'jack * * * es ' and Nazis .
What 's next ?
The deposition of a president with 'your mom ' smacktalk ?
" Bloggers , news reporters , CNN , Wall Street Journal...Funny thing about when the Truth comes out .
Really does n't matter who reports it .
If it 's valid and bad enough , people will be affected by it .
Chances are they resigned not because the accusations were false and therefore they could have fought it with a valid counterargument.I know it 's pretty sad to realize that we 're going to be getting the " news " from sources like blogs and twitter , but where do you think the large news sources are looking for their " scoop " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> "...largely by calling them 'jack***es' and Nazis.
What's next?
The deposition of a president with 'your mom' smacktalk?
" Bloggers, news reporters, CNN, Wall Street Journal...Funny thing about when the Truth comes out.
Really doesn't matter who reports it.
If it's valid and bad enough, people will be affected by it.
Chances are they resigned not because the accusations were false and therefore they could have fought it with a valid counterargument.I know it's pretty sad to realize that we're going to be getting the "news" from sources like blogs and twitter, but where do you think the large news sources are looking for their "scoop"?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29949118</id>
	<title>Re:Can we get rid of the US Congress so easily?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257168000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This does make things somewhat unpleasant in terms of smells and pests at certain times of year. IME, the worse problem is that it means if a council miss your collection one week, you wind up with an entire month of rubbish to go in the (typically small) bin, which just doesn't fit. Then the council may refuse to collect excess waste (or you get fined via the legal system), whinge whinge whinge</p></div><p>How about, um, reducing the level of waste you produce? Recycle, compost, don't buy goods with excessive packaging (or leave the excess packaging at the supermarket for them to deal with), don't buy more food than you can eat before it goes off, etc.</p><p>Our household produces less than one bag full of waste each week, our bin can fit 5 or 6 full bags.</p><p>The funniest thing I saw was a TV news report on bi-weekly bin collections where a woman was complaining that she couldn't recycle cans because they'd sit there in her kitchen smelling all week before they were collected. How much effort does it take to wash out a can?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This does make things somewhat unpleasant in terms of smells and pests at certain times of year .
IME , the worse problem is that it means if a council miss your collection one week , you wind up with an entire month of rubbish to go in the ( typically small ) bin , which just does n't fit .
Then the council may refuse to collect excess waste ( or you get fined via the legal system ) , whinge whinge whingeHow about , um , reducing the level of waste you produce ?
Recycle , compost , do n't buy goods with excessive packaging ( or leave the excess packaging at the supermarket for them to deal with ) , do n't buy more food than you can eat before it goes off , etc.Our household produces less than one bag full of waste each week , our bin can fit 5 or 6 full bags.The funniest thing I saw was a TV news report on bi-weekly bin collections where a woman was complaining that she could n't recycle cans because they 'd sit there in her kitchen smelling all week before they were collected .
How much effort does it take to wash out a can ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This does make things somewhat unpleasant in terms of smells and pests at certain times of year.
IME, the worse problem is that it means if a council miss your collection one week, you wind up with an entire month of rubbish to go in the (typically small) bin, which just doesn't fit.
Then the council may refuse to collect excess waste (or you get fined via the legal system), whinge whinge whingeHow about, um, reducing the level of waste you produce?
Recycle, compost, don't buy goods with excessive packaging (or leave the excess packaging at the supermarket for them to deal with), don't buy more food than you can eat before it goes off, etc.Our household produces less than one bag full of waste each week, our bin can fit 5 or 6 full bags.The funniest thing I saw was a TV news report on bi-weekly bin collections where a woman was complaining that she couldn't recycle cans because they'd sit there in her kitchen smelling all week before they were collected.
How much effort does it take to wash out a can?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29940993</id>
	<title>Re:Can we get rid of the US Congress so easily?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1257083460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I think all rational people realize that when someone whips out the Nazi comparison that they're just behaving irrationally and will most likely be ignored</p></div><p>And I think that people who without exceptions ignore any Nazi comparison, even when it fits (I'm not saying this is the case here), are just as irrational, as those who use irrational comparisons, and with them in the same mindset of one-dimensional black/white thinking as... well... you know who. ^^</p></div>
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<tokenext>I think all rational people realize that when someone whips out the Nazi comparison that they 're just behaving irrationally and will most likely be ignoredAnd I think that people who without exceptions ignore any Nazi comparison , even when it fits ( I 'm not saying this is the case here ) , are just as irrational , as those who use irrational comparisons , and with them in the same mindset of one-dimensional black/white thinking as... well... you know who .
^ ^</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think all rational people realize that when someone whips out the Nazi comparison that they're just behaving irrationally and will most likely be ignoredAnd I think that people who without exceptions ignore any Nazi comparison, even when it fits (I'm not saying this is the case here), are just as irrational, as those who use irrational comparisons, and with them in the same mindset of one-dimensional black/white thinking as... well... you know who.
^^
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29940983</id>
	<title>Re:Can we get rid of the US Congress so easily?</title>
	<author>twostix</author>
	<datestamp>1257083220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Civil servants in the mother country have developed a disturbing sense of over entitlement to their positions and status.  So no it wouldn't surprise me in the least to hear that a single blogger has been enough of pain for a couple of them enough to throw a hissy fit.  In "nu england" where 1 in 4 workers are employed by the government a new class of individual has arisen: the over entitled, all powerful, low level, <b>vindictive</b>, civil servant.</p><p>The movie Brazil would have been better named "UK" because as they say, nobody does bureaucracy like the English - and they used to say that *before* the Nu Labour "revolution".</p><p>Off the top of my head from the last few months various councils have:</p><p>Sent men in black vans to rummage through individuals bins to make sure that they are sorting their rubbish properly (before sending to mass landfill anyway).</p><p>Started placing cameras *in* families homes - 20000 of them over the next few years.</p><p>Reduced bin collection to every *two weeks* AND reduced the size of bins.</p><p>Placed cameras in alleyways to ensure people are tying off their garbage bags properly.</p><p>Seized the pole from a barbers shop - that had been their for 30 years.</p><p>Impounded a mothers pram.</p><p>Arrested a man for leaving the lid of his bin open four inches greater than regulation allows.</p><p>Started using thermal imaging to send residents notices if they are allowing heat to escape from their homes.</p><p>Used anti-terror laws to conduct surveillance on people the council suspects of having un-approved structures...like a garden shed in the backyard.</p><p>So my dear American, best to not apply your own Occams razor - my own countries governance must be the same everywhere - fallacy on newly emerging post democratic totalitarian states.</p><p>What people can stay free, when one of them demands the other three pay him to regulate their lives?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Civil servants in the mother country have developed a disturbing sense of over entitlement to their positions and status .
So no it would n't surprise me in the least to hear that a single blogger has been enough of pain for a couple of them enough to throw a hissy fit .
In " nu england " where 1 in 4 workers are employed by the government a new class of individual has arisen : the over entitled , all powerful , low level , vindictive , civil servant.The movie Brazil would have been better named " UK " because as they say , nobody does bureaucracy like the English - and they used to say that * before * the Nu Labour " revolution " .Off the top of my head from the last few months various councils have : Sent men in black vans to rummage through individuals bins to make sure that they are sorting their rubbish properly ( before sending to mass landfill anyway ) .Started placing cameras * in * families homes - 20000 of them over the next few years.Reduced bin collection to every * two weeks * AND reduced the size of bins.Placed cameras in alleyways to ensure people are tying off their garbage bags properly.Seized the pole from a barbers shop - that had been their for 30 years.Impounded a mothers pram.Arrested a man for leaving the lid of his bin open four inches greater than regulation allows.Started using thermal imaging to send residents notices if they are allowing heat to escape from their homes.Used anti-terror laws to conduct surveillance on people the council suspects of having un-approved structures...like a garden shed in the backyard.So my dear American , best to not apply your own Occams razor - my own countries governance must be the same everywhere - fallacy on newly emerging post democratic totalitarian states.What people can stay free , when one of them demands the other three pay him to regulate their lives ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Civil servants in the mother country have developed a disturbing sense of over entitlement to their positions and status.
So no it wouldn't surprise me in the least to hear that a single blogger has been enough of pain for a couple of them enough to throw a hissy fit.
In "nu england" where 1 in 4 workers are employed by the government a new class of individual has arisen: the over entitled, all powerful, low level, vindictive, civil servant.The movie Brazil would have been better named "UK" because as they say, nobody does bureaucracy like the English - and they used to say that *before* the Nu Labour "revolution".Off the top of my head from the last few months various councils have:Sent men in black vans to rummage through individuals bins to make sure that they are sorting their rubbish properly (before sending to mass landfill anyway).Started placing cameras *in* families homes - 20000 of them over the next few years.Reduced bin collection to every *two weeks* AND reduced the size of bins.Placed cameras in alleyways to ensure people are tying off their garbage bags properly.Seized the pole from a barbers shop - that had been their for 30 years.Impounded a mothers pram.Arrested a man for leaving the lid of his bin open four inches greater than regulation allows.Started using thermal imaging to send residents notices if they are allowing heat to escape from their homes.Used anti-terror laws to conduct surveillance on people the council suspects of having un-approved structures...like a garden shed in the backyard.So my dear American, best to not apply your own Occams razor - my own countries governance must be the same everywhere - fallacy on newly emerging post democratic totalitarian states.What people can stay free, when one of them demands the other three pay him to regulate their lives?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29941031</id>
	<title>Why the stars?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257084000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perhaps you think Jackass is ruder than it was intended. It just means male donkey. Probably because in the US arse is pronounced the same as ass resulting in confusions between donkeys and bottoms. Wars have been caused by less!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps you think Jackass is ruder than it was intended .
It just means male donkey .
Probably because in the US arse is pronounced the same as ass resulting in confusions between donkeys and bottoms .
Wars have been caused by less !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps you think Jackass is ruder than it was intended.
It just means male donkey.
Probably because in the US arse is pronounced the same as ass resulting in confusions between donkeys and bottoms.
Wars have been caused by less!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29945250</id>
	<title>Re:Can we get rid of the US Congress so easily?</title>
	<author>fotoguzzi</author>
	<datestamp>1257077220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not sure if you are trolling, but did you complain to Mr Mercer about how much his story sucks?

<a href="http://www.wigantoday.net/wigannews/Council-removes-barber-shop-sign.5748230.jp" title="wigantoday.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.wigantoday.net/wigannews/Council-removes-barber-shop-sign.5748230.jp</a> [wigantoday.net]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not sure if you are trolling , but did you complain to Mr Mercer about how much his story sucks ?
http : //www.wigantoday.net/wigannews/Council-removes-barber-shop-sign.5748230.jp [ wigantoday.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not sure if you are trolling, but did you complain to Mr Mercer about how much his story sucks?
http://www.wigantoday.net/wigannews/Council-removes-barber-shop-sign.5748230.jp [wigantoday.net]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29941851</id>
	<title>Re:On the other hand, it's Somerton</title>
	<author>khallow</author>
	<datestamp>1257092700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Heh, -1 not condescending enough for Slashdot. And you're still living in the 21st century? Come on. That was so 8 years ago.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Heh , -1 not condescending enough for Slashdot .
And you 're still living in the 21st century ?
Come on .
That was so 8 years ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Heh, -1 not condescending enough for Slashdot.
And you're still living in the 21st century?
Come on.
That was so 8 years ago.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29942131</id>
	<title>Re:Can we get rid of the US Congress so easily?</title>
	<author>BasilBrush</author>
	<datestamp>1257095580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The movie Brazil would have been better named "UK" because as they say, nobody does bureaucracy like the English - and they used to say that *before* the Nu Labour "revolution".</p></div></blockquote><p>You don't know you are born unless you've experienced the bureaucracy in France. In fact in general, compared with other countries, Britons have relatively little to complain about. The only reason most of them THINK they have it so bad is because of their little Britain ignorance of other countries politics.</p><p>(Disclaimer: I'm British, but living abroad.)</p></div>
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<tokenext>The movie Brazil would have been better named " UK " because as they say , nobody does bureaucracy like the English - and they used to say that * before * the Nu Labour " revolution " .You do n't know you are born unless you 've experienced the bureaucracy in France .
In fact in general , compared with other countries , Britons have relatively little to complain about .
The only reason most of them THINK they have it so bad is because of their little Britain ignorance of other countries politics .
( Disclaimer : I 'm British , but living abroad .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The movie Brazil would have been better named "UK" because as they say, nobody does bureaucracy like the English - and they used to say that *before* the Nu Labour "revolution".You don't know you are born unless you've experienced the bureaucracy in France.
In fact in general, compared with other countries, Britons have relatively little to complain about.
The only reason most of them THINK they have it so bad is because of their little Britain ignorance of other countries politics.
(Disclaimer: I'm British, but living abroad.
)
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29940605</id>
	<title>Revealed as feeble...</title>
	<author>CaptainOfSpray</author>
	<datestamp>1257075660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>And what prevented those councillors from telling their side of the story?
<br> <br>
Clearly they had no real response to this blogger, and so just folded.
<br> <br>
Leaves me wondering whether they were guilty or merely incompetent.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And what prevented those councillors from telling their side of the story ?
Clearly they had no real response to this blogger , and so just folded .
Leaves me wondering whether they were guilty or merely incompetent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And what prevented those councillors from telling their side of the story?
Clearly they had no real response to this blogger, and so just folded.
Leaves me wondering whether they were guilty or merely incompetent.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29940857</id>
	<title>Mobilization of residents rather than humiliation</title>
	<author>Mathinker</author>
	<datestamp>1257081060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you also read the blog (assuming he isn't just making it all up), you would see that rather than the council resigning because of being humiliated, the blog seems to have managed to mobilize a large enough segment of the residents to make the usual workings of the council rather difficult since there are many, many more people trying to make sure that the Council is actually protecting their interests. It seems that before this, the Council just would do mostly whatever it wanted, with little external review.</p><p>The blog talks about two recent Council meetings where 100+ residents showed up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you also read the blog ( assuming he is n't just making it all up ) , you would see that rather than the council resigning because of being humiliated , the blog seems to have managed to mobilize a large enough segment of the residents to make the usual workings of the council rather difficult since there are many , many more people trying to make sure that the Council is actually protecting their interests .
It seems that before this , the Council just would do mostly whatever it wanted , with little external review.The blog talks about two recent Council meetings where 100 + residents showed up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you also read the blog (assuming he isn't just making it all up), you would see that rather than the council resigning because of being humiliated, the blog seems to have managed to mobilize a large enough segment of the residents to make the usual workings of the council rather difficult since there are many, many more people trying to make sure that the Council is actually protecting their interests.
It seems that before this, the Council just would do mostly whatever it wanted, with little external review.The blog talks about two recent Council meetings where 100+ residents showed up.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29947632</id>
	<title>Re:You LIE!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257100080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Did you seriously just FP whore yourself? Made a three word post to get a 'placeholder' then replied to it for karma? Sad, sad day - especially in that it worked.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you seriously just FP whore yourself ?
Made a three word post to get a 'placeholder ' then replied to it for karma ?
Sad , sad day - especially in that it worked .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you seriously just FP whore yourself?
Made a three word post to get a 'placeholder' then replied to it for karma?
Sad, sad day - especially in that it worked.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29942698</id>
	<title>Re:Can we get rid of the US Congress so easily?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257101640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I've heard of no councils that have reduced bin collection to every 2 weeks - only certain 'luxury pickups' like garden waste (leaves, hedge trimmings etc.) and certain recycling pickups; so definite citation needed here</p></div><p>Credibility fail. Literally five seconds with Google would show you that this practice has become commonplace across the UK in recent years, usually against public opinion. The details of which recycling is collected vary by local council, but reducing general rubbish collections to biweekly is almost always involved.</p><p>This does make things somewhat unpleasant in terms of smells and pests at certain times of year. IME, the worse problem is that it means if a council miss your collection one week, you wind up with an entire month of rubbish to go in the (typically small) bin, which just doesn't fit. Then the council may refuse to collect excess waste (or you get fined via the legal system), and often there is no useful process of appeal: if the bin men say your bin wasn't out, that's it, even if it clearly was and they've made the same mistake several times already. I'm writing from personal experience, but I'm hardly the only one who's mentioned this problem on local forums around where I live.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The man wasn't arrested for leaving his bin open - he was fined, for over-filling his bin. It was a bit specific to the letter of the law, but its not outrageous to draw the line where they did</p></div><p>That rather depends on whether the council are doing a decent job otherwise, doesn't it? As I noted above, they frequently don't, but now instead of it being their problem, it has legally become yours.</p><p>There are numerous other minor abuses going on, e.g., if you get home from work on collection day and find one of your recycling bins/boxes hasn't come back, you can get another one free, but some places charge a lot of money to replace the general waste bin under the same circumstances. Once again, containers not being put back outside your home after collection is a common problem&mdash;we've had four or five instances in the past couple of years&mdash;and to a household on a low income, the cost of replacement just so they can use the bin service they're already paying through the nose for via Council Tax, is a lot of money.</p><p>Defenders of such policies usually seem to mumble something about not having hypothecated taxation, so just because we have a dedicated Council Tax that goes to our local authorities and just because those local authorities are legally responsible for providing waste collection services, that doesn't mean you're entitled to actually get a working service or any minimum standards just because you pay them thousands of pounds a year in tax. Seriously, I've been told this many times, and it seems to be the best they've got. What happened to no taxation without representation? Why aren't our representatives up in arms over this sort of failure to provide essential basic services?</p></div>
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<tokenext>I 've heard of no councils that have reduced bin collection to every 2 weeks - only certain 'luxury pickups ' like garden waste ( leaves , hedge trimmings etc .
) and certain recycling pickups ; so definite citation needed hereCredibility fail .
Literally five seconds with Google would show you that this practice has become commonplace across the UK in recent years , usually against public opinion .
The details of which recycling is collected vary by local council , but reducing general rubbish collections to biweekly is almost always involved.This does make things somewhat unpleasant in terms of smells and pests at certain times of year .
IME , the worse problem is that it means if a council miss your collection one week , you wind up with an entire month of rubbish to go in the ( typically small ) bin , which just does n't fit .
Then the council may refuse to collect excess waste ( or you get fined via the legal system ) , and often there is no useful process of appeal : if the bin men say your bin was n't out , that 's it , even if it clearly was and they 've made the same mistake several times already .
I 'm writing from personal experience , but I 'm hardly the only one who 's mentioned this problem on local forums around where I live.The man was n't arrested for leaving his bin open - he was fined , for over-filling his bin .
It was a bit specific to the letter of the law , but its not outrageous to draw the line where they didThat rather depends on whether the council are doing a decent job otherwise , does n't it ?
As I noted above , they frequently do n't , but now instead of it being their problem , it has legally become yours.There are numerous other minor abuses going on , e.g. , if you get home from work on collection day and find one of your recycling bins/boxes has n't come back , you can get another one free , but some places charge a lot of money to replace the general waste bin under the same circumstances .
Once again , containers not being put back outside your home after collection is a common problem    we 've had four or five instances in the past couple of years    and to a household on a low income , the cost of replacement just so they can use the bin service they 're already paying through the nose for via Council Tax , is a lot of money.Defenders of such policies usually seem to mumble something about not having hypothecated taxation , so just because we have a dedicated Council Tax that goes to our local authorities and just because those local authorities are legally responsible for providing waste collection services , that does n't mean you 're entitled to actually get a working service or any minimum standards just because you pay them thousands of pounds a year in tax .
Seriously , I 've been told this many times , and it seems to be the best they 've got .
What happened to no taxation without representation ?
Why are n't our representatives up in arms over this sort of failure to provide essential basic services ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've heard of no councils that have reduced bin collection to every 2 weeks - only certain 'luxury pickups' like garden waste (leaves, hedge trimmings etc.
) and certain recycling pickups; so definite citation needed hereCredibility fail.
Literally five seconds with Google would show you that this practice has become commonplace across the UK in recent years, usually against public opinion.
The details of which recycling is collected vary by local council, but reducing general rubbish collections to biweekly is almost always involved.This does make things somewhat unpleasant in terms of smells and pests at certain times of year.
IME, the worse problem is that it means if a council miss your collection one week, you wind up with an entire month of rubbish to go in the (typically small) bin, which just doesn't fit.
Then the council may refuse to collect excess waste (or you get fined via the legal system), and often there is no useful process of appeal: if the bin men say your bin wasn't out, that's it, even if it clearly was and they've made the same mistake several times already.
I'm writing from personal experience, but I'm hardly the only one who's mentioned this problem on local forums around where I live.The man wasn't arrested for leaving his bin open - he was fined, for over-filling his bin.
It was a bit specific to the letter of the law, but its not outrageous to draw the line where they didThat rather depends on whether the council are doing a decent job otherwise, doesn't it?
As I noted above, they frequently don't, but now instead of it being their problem, it has legally become yours.There are numerous other minor abuses going on, e.g., if you get home from work on collection day and find one of your recycling bins/boxes hasn't come back, you can get another one free, but some places charge a lot of money to replace the general waste bin under the same circumstances.
Once again, containers not being put back outside your home after collection is a common problem—we've had four or five instances in the past couple of years—and to a household on a low income, the cost of replacement just so they can use the bin service they're already paying through the nose for via Council Tax, is a lot of money.Defenders of such policies usually seem to mumble something about not having hypothecated taxation, so just because we have a dedicated Council Tax that goes to our local authorities and just because those local authorities are legally responsible for providing waste collection services, that doesn't mean you're entitled to actually get a working service or any minimum standards just because you pay them thousands of pounds a year in tax.
Seriously, I've been told this many times, and it seems to be the best they've got.
What happened to no taxation without representation?
Why aren't our representatives up in arms over this sort of failure to provide essential basic services?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29944802</id>
	<title>Re:Can we get rid of the US Congress so easily?</title>
	<author>pbhj</author>
	<datestamp>1257073740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>I've heard of no councils that have reduced bin collection to every 2 weeks - only certain 'luxury pickups' like garden waste (leaves, hedge trimmings etc.) and certain recycling pickups; so definite citation needed here</p></div><p>Credibility fail. Literally five seconds with Google would show you that this practice has become commonplace across the UK in recent years, usually against public opinion. The details of which recycling is collected vary by local council, but reducing general rubbish collections to biweekly is almost always involved.</p><p>This does make things somewhat unpleasant in terms of smells and pests at certain times of year. IME, the worse problem is that it means if a council miss your collection one week, you wind up with an entire month of rubbish to go in the (typically small) bin, which just doesn't fit.</p> </div><p>We have bi-weekly collections of waste alternating between compostable and landfill. We have recycling collections weekly. If your waste doesn't fit in your bin then reduce your waste. Shut the lid on the bin, compost food waste, voil&#224; no bad smells.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I 've heard of no councils that have reduced bin collection to every 2 weeks - only certain 'luxury pickups ' like garden waste ( leaves , hedge trimmings etc .
) and certain recycling pickups ; so definite citation needed hereCredibility fail .
Literally five seconds with Google would show you that this practice has become commonplace across the UK in recent years , usually against public opinion .
The details of which recycling is collected vary by local council , but reducing general rubbish collections to biweekly is almost always involved.This does make things somewhat unpleasant in terms of smells and pests at certain times of year .
IME , the worse problem is that it means if a council miss your collection one week , you wind up with an entire month of rubbish to go in the ( typically small ) bin , which just does n't fit .
We have bi-weekly collections of waste alternating between compostable and landfill .
We have recycling collections weekly .
If your waste does n't fit in your bin then reduce your waste .
Shut the lid on the bin , compost food waste , voil   no bad smells .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've heard of no councils that have reduced bin collection to every 2 weeks - only certain 'luxury pickups' like garden waste (leaves, hedge trimmings etc.
) and certain recycling pickups; so definite citation needed hereCredibility fail.
Literally five seconds with Google would show you that this practice has become commonplace across the UK in recent years, usually against public opinion.
The details of which recycling is collected vary by local council, but reducing general rubbish collections to biweekly is almost always involved.This does make things somewhat unpleasant in terms of smells and pests at certain times of year.
IME, the worse problem is that it means if a council miss your collection one week, you wind up with an entire month of rubbish to go in the (typically small) bin, which just doesn't fit.
We have bi-weekly collections of waste alternating between compostable and landfill.
We have recycling collections weekly.
If your waste doesn't fit in your bin then reduce your waste.
Shut the lid on the bin, compost food waste, voilà no bad smells.
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	<title>Re:Can we get rid of the US Congress so easily?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257087300000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>+1 Troll - classic mix of truth and rampant hyperbole.</p><p>Local councils have been given way more power than they need allowing them to spend money on total nonsense - <b>but</b>;</p><ul> <li>I've heard of no councils that have reduced bin collection to every 2 weeks - only certain 'luxury pickups' like garden waste (leaves, hedge trimmings etc.) and certain recycling pickups; so definite citation needed here</li><li>The cameras in people's homes are a UK Gov plan that the councils have no choice but to follow - blame the cabinet for that cracking idea</li><li> the barbers pole was removed as it was causing problems with drivers on the road next to it, the council was submitting to complaints that had been made. Say what you will about their decision, but at least admit there was a method to their madness</li><li>The man wasn't arrested for leaving his bin open - he was fined, for over-filling his bin. It was a bit specific to the letter of the law, but its not outrageous to draw the line where they did</li><li> the thermal cameras are already being used to detect drug factories being setup in residential homes, its not a stretch to make homeowners aware of ludicrously inefficient insulation in their homes for minimal extra costs - some would even consider it a public service (i know <i>gasp</i>).</li></ul><p>I'm sure these were honest slips of the finger and that you of course had no agenda of your own to ply. But please try to remember that not everyone's definition of Freedom involves being left to fend for yourself while amoral corporations and modern day lords and barons in the forms of bankers and CEO's tie up the legal system for their own ends and prey upon those to small or poor to defend themselves. Also please remember that at least 75\% of those civil servants (the 1 in 4 apparently<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:s) are low-level administrators who earn just above the min wage (current A-band salary in local and national Gov goes from approx &pound;14,300 -16,500 - this band also covers cleaners, binmen, street cleaners, so called menial jobs etc.). Don't even pretend these are people you could do without, as the national outcry and massive disruptions caused by industrial action in just a few places pretty much proves their worth. The 1 in 4 also include teachers, nurses, GP's, doctors, police, paramedics, firemen, the civilian forces that help maintain the previous list, the armed forces in all its forms and the various arms of the MOD. These are the people that keep you alive and guard your freedoms, your children and your future. Yet well over 50\% take home less than a supervisor at fucking McDonalds.</p><p>Keep your freedom to be fucked - I'd rather live in a country that recognises the need to protect certain freedoms by building an infrastructure - even if it does have to pruned once in a while (keeping in mind you prune from the top down<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>+ 1 Troll - classic mix of truth and rampant hyperbole.Local councils have been given way more power than they need allowing them to spend money on total nonsense - but ; I 've heard of no councils that have reduced bin collection to every 2 weeks - only certain 'luxury pickups ' like garden waste ( leaves , hedge trimmings etc .
) and certain recycling pickups ; so definite citation needed hereThe cameras in people 's homes are a UK Gov plan that the councils have no choice but to follow - blame the cabinet for that cracking idea the barbers pole was removed as it was causing problems with drivers on the road next to it , the council was submitting to complaints that had been made .
Say what you will about their decision , but at least admit there was a method to their madnessThe man was n't arrested for leaving his bin open - he was fined , for over-filling his bin .
It was a bit specific to the letter of the law , but its not outrageous to draw the line where they did the thermal cameras are already being used to detect drug factories being setup in residential homes , its not a stretch to make homeowners aware of ludicrously inefficient insulation in their homes for minimal extra costs - some would even consider it a public service ( i know gasp ) .I 'm sure these were honest slips of the finger and that you of course had no agenda of your own to ply .
But please try to remember that not everyone 's definition of Freedom involves being left to fend for yourself while amoral corporations and modern day lords and barons in the forms of bankers and CEO 's tie up the legal system for their own ends and prey upon those to small or poor to defend themselves .
Also please remember that at least 75 \ % of those civil servants ( the 1 in 4 apparently : s ) are low-level administrators who earn just above the min wage ( current A-band salary in local and national Gov goes from approx   14,300 -16,500 - this band also covers cleaners , binmen , street cleaners , so called menial jobs etc. ) .
Do n't even pretend these are people you could do without , as the national outcry and massive disruptions caused by industrial action in just a few places pretty much proves their worth .
The 1 in 4 also include teachers , nurses , GP 's , doctors , police , paramedics , firemen , the civilian forces that help maintain the previous list , the armed forces in all its forms and the various arms of the MOD .
These are the people that keep you alive and guard your freedoms , your children and your future .
Yet well over 50 \ % take home less than a supervisor at fucking McDonalds.Keep your freedom to be fucked - I 'd rather live in a country that recognises the need to protect certain freedoms by building an infrastructure - even if it does have to pruned once in a while ( keeping in mind you prune from the top down : ) ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>+1 Troll - classic mix of truth and rampant hyperbole.Local councils have been given way more power than they need allowing them to spend money on total nonsense - but; I've heard of no councils that have reduced bin collection to every 2 weeks - only certain 'luxury pickups' like garden waste (leaves, hedge trimmings etc.
) and certain recycling pickups; so definite citation needed hereThe cameras in people's homes are a UK Gov plan that the councils have no choice but to follow - blame the cabinet for that cracking idea the barbers pole was removed as it was causing problems with drivers on the road next to it, the council was submitting to complaints that had been made.
Say what you will about their decision, but at least admit there was a method to their madnessThe man wasn't arrested for leaving his bin open - he was fined, for over-filling his bin.
It was a bit specific to the letter of the law, but its not outrageous to draw the line where they did the thermal cameras are already being used to detect drug factories being setup in residential homes, its not a stretch to make homeowners aware of ludicrously inefficient insulation in their homes for minimal extra costs - some would even consider it a public service (i know gasp).I'm sure these were honest slips of the finger and that you of course had no agenda of your own to ply.
But please try to remember that not everyone's definition of Freedom involves being left to fend for yourself while amoral corporations and modern day lords and barons in the forms of bankers and CEO's tie up the legal system for their own ends and prey upon those to small or poor to defend themselves.
Also please remember that at least 75\% of those civil servants (the 1 in 4 apparently :s) are low-level administrators who earn just above the min wage (current A-band salary in local and national Gov goes from approx £14,300 -16,500 - this band also covers cleaners, binmen, street cleaners, so called menial jobs etc.).
Don't even pretend these are people you could do without, as the national outcry and massive disruptions caused by industrial action in just a few places pretty much proves their worth.
The 1 in 4 also include teachers, nurses, GP's, doctors, police, paramedics, firemen, the civilian forces that help maintain the previous list, the armed forces in all its forms and the various arms of the MOD.
These are the people that keep you alive and guard your freedoms, your children and your future.
Yet well over 50\% take home less than a supervisor at fucking McDonalds.Keep your freedom to be fucked - I'd rather live in a country that recognises the need to protect certain freedoms by building an infrastructure - even if it does have to pruned once in a while (keeping in mind you prune from the top down :)).</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Can we get rid of the US Congress so easily?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
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	<htmltext><p>I think you meant elicit. But don't let me get in the way of a pun</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you meant elicit .
But do n't let me get in the way of a pun</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you meant elicit.
But don't let me get in the way of a pun</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29941165</id>
	<title>Re:Can we get rid of the US Congress so easily?</title>
	<author>FireFury03</author>
	<datestamp>1257085620000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Reduced bin collection to every *two weeks*</p></div><p>Sorry, I just don't understand the complaints on this front.  The local council here does rubbish collection every week and recycling collection every 2 weeks.  I put out one *small* bin bag every 2 weeks.  I produce maybe 4 or more times the volume of recycling than I produce landfill rubbish.  Now, I admit that I am a single person, but a family of 4 should produce less than 4 times the amount of rubbish than a single person, and yet we have people with the *large* 240 or 360 litre wheelie bins in the news complaining that over 2 weeks they produce far more landfill rubbish than can be accommodated in their bin.  What the hell are these people throwing away?  I would wholly support the idea of reducing landfill rubbish collections to every 2 weeks; I just wish my council would introduce kerbside plastic and tetra collections so I don't have to take that stuff to the tip myself.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Used anti-terror laws to conduct surveillance on people the council suspects of having un-approved structures...like a garden shed in the backyard.</p></div><p>Citation please.  You don't need planning permission for temporary structures, such as garden sheds, so this sounds completely bogus to me.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Reduced bin collection to every * two weeks * Sorry , I just do n't understand the complaints on this front .
The local council here does rubbish collection every week and recycling collection every 2 weeks .
I put out one * small * bin bag every 2 weeks .
I produce maybe 4 or more times the volume of recycling than I produce landfill rubbish .
Now , I admit that I am a single person , but a family of 4 should produce less than 4 times the amount of rubbish than a single person , and yet we have people with the * large * 240 or 360 litre wheelie bins in the news complaining that over 2 weeks they produce far more landfill rubbish than can be accommodated in their bin .
What the hell are these people throwing away ?
I would wholly support the idea of reducing landfill rubbish collections to every 2 weeks ; I just wish my council would introduce kerbside plastic and tetra collections so I do n't have to take that stuff to the tip myself.Used anti-terror laws to conduct surveillance on people the council suspects of having un-approved structures...like a garden shed in the backyard.Citation please .
You do n't need planning permission for temporary structures , such as garden sheds , so this sounds completely bogus to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Reduced bin collection to every *two weeks*Sorry, I just don't understand the complaints on this front.
The local council here does rubbish collection every week and recycling collection every 2 weeks.
I put out one *small* bin bag every 2 weeks.
I produce maybe 4 or more times the volume of recycling than I produce landfill rubbish.
Now, I admit that I am a single person, but a family of 4 should produce less than 4 times the amount of rubbish than a single person, and yet we have people with the *large* 240 or 360 litre wheelie bins in the news complaining that over 2 weeks they produce far more landfill rubbish than can be accommodated in their bin.
What the hell are these people throwing away?
I would wholly support the idea of reducing landfill rubbish collections to every 2 weeks; I just wish my council would introduce kerbside plastic and tetra collections so I don't have to take that stuff to the tip myself.Used anti-terror laws to conduct surveillance on people the council suspects of having un-approved structures...like a garden shed in the backyard.Citation please.
You don't need planning permission for temporary structures, such as garden sheds, so this sounds completely bogus to me.
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	<title>Where is....</title>
	<author>reverendbeer</author>
	<datestamp>1257084720000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>...Spider Jerusalem when you need him?

Oh, be sure and give him a phone, first.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...Spider Jerusalem when you need him ?
Oh , be sure and give him a phone , first .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...Spider Jerusalem when you need him?
Oh, be sure and give him a phone, first.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29940949</id>
	<title>Gotta love self-censorship</title>
	<author>RichiH</author>
	<datestamp>1257082560000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I love how "ass" is bleeped out and Nazi is an OK word.</p><p>Also, both bleeps and asterisks just emphasize that there is something to "hide", making it's effect stronger as it forces the brain out of normal cruise into attention.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I love how " ass " is bleeped out and Nazi is an OK word.Also , both bleeps and asterisks just emphasize that there is something to " hide " , making it 's effect stronger as it forces the brain out of normal cruise into attention .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love how "ass" is bleeped out and Nazi is an OK word.Also, both bleeps and asterisks just emphasize that there is something to "hide", making it's effect stronger as it forces the brain out of normal cruise into attention.</sentencetext>
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	<title>A better way</title>
	<author>MichaelSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1257074520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>If you want to get rid of a city council I suggest you look into the manipulation of email headers. I doubt that many of these people have spent much time around sci.space.policy or 4chan. They probably think that "the system" puts those Reply-To: and From: fields in.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you want to get rid of a city council I suggest you look into the manipulation of email headers .
I doubt that many of these people have spent much time around sci.space.policy or 4chan .
They probably think that " the system " puts those Reply-To : and From : fields in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you want to get rid of a city council I suggest you look into the manipulation of email headers.
I doubt that many of these people have spent much time around sci.space.policy or 4chan.
They probably think that "the system" puts those Reply-To: and From: fields in.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Niall Connolly</title>
	<author>mevets</author>
	<datestamp>1257093780000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>On behalf of the people of Ottawa,CA, I would like you to come here and continue your fine work.  I"m sure we can make it worth your while, possibly with incentives for each resignation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On behalf of the people of Ottawa,CA , I would like you to come here and continue your fine work .
I " m sure we can make it worth your while , possibly with incentives for each resignation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On behalf of the people of Ottawa,CA, I would like you to come here and continue your fine work.
I"m sure we can make it worth your while, possibly with incentives for each resignation.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Worth a try</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257098100000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Hey Obama, your mama!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey Obama , your mama !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey Obama, your mama!</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:CounCILLors!</title>
	<author>oldhack</author>
	<datestamp>1257098820000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>I'm totally with you.  Troi was a good councilor.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm totally with you .
Troi was a good councilor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm totally with you.
Troi was a good councilor.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Councillors are not career politicians</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257089040000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Councillors != career politicians?</p><p>my arse..they *are*, but not to the same degree as their parliamentarian cohorts.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Many town councillors work with a limited renumeration, which is enough to cover their out-of-pocket expenses, and perhaps a bit more, but certainly not enough to live on. They will also be full time professionals in another occupation as their long term career, or perhaps be retired and living off a pension.</p></div><p>Oh, what a rosy tinted view of these parasites you have sirrah!, Many != all, I'll point out.</p><p>From personal experience, they're naught but a bunch of, to use the terminology from 'Atlas Shrugged', moochers and looters (and much as I find Ayn Rand funny and tedious in equal measure, she did have some valid points about some of the social parasites that exist in our society)</p><p>Local councillors are like fleas, compared to the more tick like MPs/MEPs/MSPs/TDs/Senators/whatever, however, it doesn't matter in my mind as to what degree they do so, they're both examples of disease ridden bloodsucking parasitic bastards.</p><p>Planning, and land speculation seem to be the most 'profitable' sideline these local schei&#223;k&#246;pfe (with apologies if the German is incorrect) get involved in.  Take one example from immediate family, try to get planning permission to build houses on bit of land, permission refused due to amenity and other such kind of BS excuses, councillor has 'quiet word' about 'partnership', gets told where to get off, eventually land gets sold without planning permission for housing at a reduced price, 'consortium' who buy it suddenly and quite magically get permission to build more houses then we'd ever planned for on same plot of land, sell it at large profit to developers..<br>Or how planning permission was granted to build a bunch of houses on a (very inappropriate) bit of land in a conservation zone?<br>Or the various deals and schemes being done to try and put public land (and land held in trust for the recreational use of public) into the hands of developers? and the list could go on to detail things like council decisions being made on sectarian grounds, etc etc etc.</p><p>Afraid this isn't a new game, my town center was destroyed by the combined machinations of our then local councillors, the MP at the time (and, what a surprise, his relative the developer who got the redevelopment contract..) way back in the late 60's/early 70's. They got fat off it, unlike the poor sods who got a pittance in compensation when their properties were 'stolen' using the legal device known as a CPO.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Although elected, they will also regard their work as giving something back to the community, so I can understand why harassment might make them decide that it's not worth volunteering their services any more. It costs money to pursue libel cases, and it's unlikely this blogger has any coin to pay damages anyway, so it's easier to leave the situation.</p></div><p>Without wishing to appear abusive, what planet are you from?, and can we have some of your 'selfless' councillors?</p><p>I've known quite a number of local politicians and councillors over the years, (my mother's cousin was a local 'Lord Mayor' for a number of years ffs),</p><p>I'm making a pretty bald statement here, to a man, they were all in it for their own ends.</p><p>Any 'community' benefits their terms in office accrued  was secondary to both their own aggrandisment and/or to that of their political party (if they belonged to one - If they didn't have an obvious party connection, they usually had 'other' affiliations ).</p><p>If there were grounds for libel agin the blogger, believe you me, they would have sued, and the fact that they appear to have gone down the road of trying to intimidate the blogger and his fellow dissidents is indicative of the fact that they don't want any official (or legal) investigation of any of the matters being expounded.</p><p>btw, Sending out the 'bully boys' is a tactic regularly employed by our local council agin those who question their munificent wisdom and decisions..hell it doesn't even have to be if you've actually pissed one of the councillors off by asking 'difficult' questions,  'tis usually enough for you to have looked askance at one of their friends to suddenly find yourself receiving a whole shitload of grief from various council apparatchiks acting 'on orders from above'.<br>(yup, personal experience..)</p><p>I'm sorry, this is a bit of a rant, but my family has suffered at the hands of the tender mercies of a local councillor 'on the make', and, as my family has a long history of being involved in local politicking, I've knowledge of some of the shite they get away with, and, to be honest, the council the blogger is going on about appear to be rank amateurs at this game (missing millions anyone?).</p></div>
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<tokenext>Councillors ! = career politicians ? my arse..they * are * , but not to the same degree as their parliamentarian cohorts.Many town councillors work with a limited renumeration , which is enough to cover their out-of-pocket expenses , and perhaps a bit more , but certainly not enough to live on .
They will also be full time professionals in another occupation as their long term career , or perhaps be retired and living off a pension.Oh , what a rosy tinted view of these parasites you have sirrah ! , Many ! = all , I 'll point out.From personal experience , they 're naught but a bunch of , to use the terminology from 'Atlas Shrugged ' , moochers and looters ( and much as I find Ayn Rand funny and tedious in equal measure , she did have some valid points about some of the social parasites that exist in our society ) Local councillors are like fleas , compared to the more tick like MPs/MEPs/MSPs/TDs/Senators/whatever , however , it does n't matter in my mind as to what degree they do so , they 're both examples of disease ridden bloodsucking parasitic bastards.Planning , and land speculation seem to be the most 'profitable ' sideline these local schei   k   pfe ( with apologies if the German is incorrect ) get involved in .
Take one example from immediate family , try to get planning permission to build houses on bit of land , permission refused due to amenity and other such kind of BS excuses , councillor has 'quiet word ' about 'partnership ' , gets told where to get off , eventually land gets sold without planning permission for housing at a reduced price , 'consortium ' who buy it suddenly and quite magically get permission to build more houses then we 'd ever planned for on same plot of land , sell it at large profit to developers..Or how planning permission was granted to build a bunch of houses on a ( very inappropriate ) bit of land in a conservation zone ? Or the various deals and schemes being done to try and put public land ( and land held in trust for the recreational use of public ) into the hands of developers ?
and the list could go on to detail things like council decisions being made on sectarian grounds , etc etc etc.Afraid this is n't a new game , my town center was destroyed by the combined machinations of our then local councillors , the MP at the time ( and , what a surprise , his relative the developer who got the redevelopment contract.. ) way back in the late 60 's/early 70 's .
They got fat off it , unlike the poor sods who got a pittance in compensation when their properties were 'stolen ' using the legal device known as a CPO.Although elected , they will also regard their work as giving something back to the community , so I can understand why harassment might make them decide that it 's not worth volunteering their services any more .
It costs money to pursue libel cases , and it 's unlikely this blogger has any coin to pay damages anyway , so it 's easier to leave the situation.Without wishing to appear abusive , what planet are you from ? , and can we have some of your 'selfless ' councillors ? I 've known quite a number of local politicians and councillors over the years , ( my mother 's cousin was a local 'Lord Mayor ' for a number of years ffs ) ,I 'm making a pretty bald statement here , to a man , they were all in it for their own ends.Any 'community ' benefits their terms in office accrued was secondary to both their own aggrandisment and/or to that of their political party ( if they belonged to one - If they did n't have an obvious party connection , they usually had 'other ' affiliations ) .If there were grounds for libel agin the blogger , believe you me , they would have sued , and the fact that they appear to have gone down the road of trying to intimidate the blogger and his fellow dissidents is indicative of the fact that they do n't want any official ( or legal ) investigation of any of the matters being expounded.btw , Sending out the 'bully boys ' is a tactic regularly employed by our local council agin those who question their munificent wisdom and decisions..hell it does n't even have to be if you 've actually pissed one of the councillors off by asking 'difficult ' questions , 't is usually enough for you to have looked askance at one of their friends to suddenly find yourself receiving a whole shitload of grief from various council apparatchiks acting 'on orders from above' .
( yup , personal experience.. ) I 'm sorry , this is a bit of a rant , but my family has suffered at the hands of the tender mercies of a local councillor 'on the make ' , and , as my family has a long history of being involved in local politicking , I 've knowledge of some of the shite they get away with , and , to be honest , the council the blogger is going on about appear to be rank amateurs at this game ( missing millions anyone ?
) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Councillors != career politicians?my arse..they *are*, but not to the same degree as their parliamentarian cohorts.Many town councillors work with a limited renumeration, which is enough to cover their out-of-pocket expenses, and perhaps a bit more, but certainly not enough to live on.
They will also be full time professionals in another occupation as their long term career, or perhaps be retired and living off a pension.Oh, what a rosy tinted view of these parasites you have sirrah!, Many != all, I'll point out.From personal experience, they're naught but a bunch of, to use the terminology from 'Atlas Shrugged', moochers and looters (and much as I find Ayn Rand funny and tedious in equal measure, she did have some valid points about some of the social parasites that exist in our society)Local councillors are like fleas, compared to the more tick like MPs/MEPs/MSPs/TDs/Senators/whatever, however, it doesn't matter in my mind as to what degree they do so, they're both examples of disease ridden bloodsucking parasitic bastards.Planning, and land speculation seem to be the most 'profitable' sideline these local scheißköpfe (with apologies if the German is incorrect) get involved in.
Take one example from immediate family, try to get planning permission to build houses on bit of land, permission refused due to amenity and other such kind of BS excuses, councillor has 'quiet word' about 'partnership', gets told where to get off, eventually land gets sold without planning permission for housing at a reduced price, 'consortium' who buy it suddenly and quite magically get permission to build more houses then we'd ever planned for on same plot of land, sell it at large profit to developers..Or how planning permission was granted to build a bunch of houses on a (very inappropriate) bit of land in a conservation zone?Or the various deals and schemes being done to try and put public land (and land held in trust for the recreational use of public) into the hands of developers?
and the list could go on to detail things like council decisions being made on sectarian grounds, etc etc etc.Afraid this isn't a new game, my town center was destroyed by the combined machinations of our then local councillors, the MP at the time (and, what a surprise, his relative the developer who got the redevelopment contract..) way back in the late 60's/early 70's.
They got fat off it, unlike the poor sods who got a pittance in compensation when their properties were 'stolen' using the legal device known as a CPO.Although elected, they will also regard their work as giving something back to the community, so I can understand why harassment might make them decide that it's not worth volunteering their services any more.
It costs money to pursue libel cases, and it's unlikely this blogger has any coin to pay damages anyway, so it's easier to leave the situation.Without wishing to appear abusive, what planet are you from?, and can we have some of your 'selfless' councillors?I've known quite a number of local politicians and councillors over the years, (my mother's cousin was a local 'Lord Mayor' for a number of years ffs),I'm making a pretty bald statement here, to a man, they were all in it for their own ends.Any 'community' benefits their terms in office accrued  was secondary to both their own aggrandisment and/or to that of their political party (if they belonged to one - If they didn't have an obvious party connection, they usually had 'other' affiliations ).If there were grounds for libel agin the blogger, believe you me, they would have sued, and the fact that they appear to have gone down the road of trying to intimidate the blogger and his fellow dissidents is indicative of the fact that they don't want any official (or legal) investigation of any of the matters being expounded.btw, Sending out the 'bully boys' is a tactic regularly employed by our local council agin those who question their munificent wisdom and decisions..hell it doesn't even have to be if you've actually pissed one of the councillors off by asking 'difficult' questions,  'tis usually enough for you to have looked askance at one of their friends to suddenly find yourself receiving a whole shitload of grief from various council apparatchiks acting 'on orders from above'.
(yup, personal experience..)I'm sorry, this is a bit of a rant, but my family has suffered at the hands of the tender mercies of a local councillor 'on the make', and, as my family has a long history of being involved in local politicking, I've knowledge of some of the shite they get away with, and, to be honest, the council the blogger is going on about appear to be rank amateurs at this game (missing millions anyone?
).
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29944542</id>
	<title>Re:On the other hand, it's Somerton</title>
	<author>C0R1D4N</author>
	<datestamp>1257071880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> the local <b>grandees</b> have a huge sense of entitlement. (They are also the area's <b>Nimbys</b>
Now someone thinks they have the right to comment on Council decisions - and the toys get thrown out of the <b>pram</b></p> </div><p>SPEAK ENGLISH!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>the local grandees have a huge sense of entitlement .
( They are also the area 's Nimbys Now someone thinks they have the right to comment on Council decisions - and the toys get thrown out of the pram SPEAK ENGLISH !</tokentext>
<sentencetext> the local grandees have a huge sense of entitlement.
(They are also the area's Nimbys
Now someone thinks they have the right to comment on Council decisions - and the toys get thrown out of the pram SPEAK ENGLISH!
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29940603</id>
	<title>Can we get rid of the US Congress so easily?</title>
	<author>LatencyKills</author>
	<datestamp>1257075540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>TFA is atrociously thin on what I'm certain is a long-ongoing feud between many townspeople and not the inflammatory comments of a single blogger.  I think all rational people realize that when someone whips out the Nazi comparison that they're just behaving irrationally and will most likely be ignored, so the argument we're supposed to believe is that 12 counselors resigned over being called jackasses?  Seems unlikely.  For those of you hoping to start a grass roots revolution so easily, I'd be willing to bet that at least some level of phone calls to their homes at all hours and perhaps a few loud townhall meetings were involved (both of which, incidentally, you can't do at either the US House or Senate).</htmltext>
<tokenext>TFA is atrociously thin on what I 'm certain is a long-ongoing feud between many townspeople and not the inflammatory comments of a single blogger .
I think all rational people realize that when someone whips out the Nazi comparison that they 're just behaving irrationally and will most likely be ignored , so the argument we 're supposed to believe is that 12 counselors resigned over being called jackasses ?
Seems unlikely .
For those of you hoping to start a grass roots revolution so easily , I 'd be willing to bet that at least some level of phone calls to their homes at all hours and perhaps a few loud townhall meetings were involved ( both of which , incidentally , you ca n't do at either the US House or Senate ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TFA is atrociously thin on what I'm certain is a long-ongoing feud between many townspeople and not the inflammatory comments of a single blogger.
I think all rational people realize that when someone whips out the Nazi comparison that they're just behaving irrationally and will most likely be ignored, so the argument we're supposed to believe is that 12 counselors resigned over being called jackasses?
Seems unlikely.
For those of you hoping to start a grass roots revolution so easily, I'd be willing to bet that at least some level of phone calls to their homes at all hours and perhaps a few loud townhall meetings were involved (both of which, incidentally, you can't do at either the US House or Senate).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29941629</id>
	<title>Re:Can we get rid of the US Congress so easily?</title>
	<author>Hope Thelps</author>
	<datestamp>1257090960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The movie Brazil would have been better named "UK" because as they say, nobody does bureaucracy like the English</p></div><p>Huh? The name "Brazil" represents the fantasy land Sam Lowry escapes to in his dreams, not the society he lives in. It's no secret that the society is based on the UK. I think a UK address is clearly given at one point.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The movie Brazil would have been better named " UK " because as they say , nobody does bureaucracy like the EnglishHuh ?
The name " Brazil " represents the fantasy land Sam Lowry escapes to in his dreams , not the society he lives in .
It 's no secret that the society is based on the UK .
I think a UK address is clearly given at one point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The movie Brazil would have been better named "UK" because as they say, nobody does bureaucracy like the EnglishHuh?
The name "Brazil" represents the fantasy land Sam Lowry escapes to in his dreams, not the society he lives in.
It's no secret that the society is based on the UK.
I think a UK address is clearly given at one point.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29941271</id>
	<title>Re: Blogger Humiliates Councillors Into Resigning</title>
	<author>A1rmanCha1rman</author>
	<datestamp>1257086760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>On an even sadder note, notable man-of-words, TV presenter, actor and gadget-lover Stephen Fry has been virtually taunted and flamed to (digital death), leading to his apparent resignation from Twitter.</p><p>Once upon a time, there was only character assassination, now it's digital as well...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On an even sadder note , notable man-of-words , TV presenter , actor and gadget-lover Stephen Fry has been virtually taunted and flamed to ( digital death ) , leading to his apparent resignation from Twitter.Once upon a time , there was only character assassination , now it 's digital as well.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On an even sadder note, notable man-of-words, TV presenter, actor and gadget-lover Stephen Fry has been virtually taunted and flamed to (digital death), leading to his apparent resignation from Twitter.Once upon a time, there was only character assassination, now it's digital as well...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29941129</id>
	<title>Need more information</title>
	<author>erroneus</author>
	<datestamp>1257085260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The article was scant on details, unfortunately, but it seems the blogger was pointing out extreme irregularities going on in the council.  In the U.S., such reports led to the FBI investigating the council of Dallas, Texas.  One important difference in Dallas was that the players were too arrogant to realize that there was potential for felony conviction and jail time for their activities and refused to resign or otherwise remove themselves.</p><p>I have to wonder if the situation in Somerton was anything like the one in Dallas and decided to get our while the getting was good or if they simply could not withstand having negative opinions of them published?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The article was scant on details , unfortunately , but it seems the blogger was pointing out extreme irregularities going on in the council .
In the U.S. , such reports led to the FBI investigating the council of Dallas , Texas .
One important difference in Dallas was that the players were too arrogant to realize that there was potential for felony conviction and jail time for their activities and refused to resign or otherwise remove themselves.I have to wonder if the situation in Somerton was anything like the one in Dallas and decided to get our while the getting was good or if they simply could not withstand having negative opinions of them published ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The article was scant on details, unfortunately, but it seems the blogger was pointing out extreme irregularities going on in the council.
In the U.S., such reports led to the FBI investigating the council of Dallas, Texas.
One important difference in Dallas was that the players were too arrogant to realize that there was potential for felony conviction and jail time for their activities and refused to resign or otherwise remove themselves.I have to wonder if the situation in Somerton was anything like the one in Dallas and decided to get our while the getting was good or if they simply could not withstand having negative opinions of them published?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29941001</id>
	<title>Strong arming a politician?</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1257083580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nah, there was other reasons, no real politician would resign just because he was called names. Name calling is part of the business.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nah , there was other reasons , no real politician would resign just because he was called names .
Name calling is part of the business .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nah, there was other reasons, no real politician would resign just because he was called names.
Name calling is part of the business.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29941619</id>
	<title>Holy Hot Fuzz, Batmam</title>
	<author>Rob the Bold</author>
	<datestamp>1257090900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Looks like it's time to send in one honest copper to clean house!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Looks like it 's time to send in one honest copper to clean house !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looks like it's time to send in one honest copper to clean house!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29941075</id>
	<title>Re:Revealed as feeble...</title>
	<author>abigsmurf</author>
	<datestamp>1257084540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There side of the story is already in the public domain through the minutes of public meetings and various stuff available under FOIA requests.
<p>
Councillors simply can't respond to random militant bloggers on a level playing field. For one they can't use the language bloggers use (if they like being employed that is). Even if the councillor does use civil language, getting in a public debate with someone that hostile not only will look bad (regardless of if they win it or not) , it will add legitimacy to that blog.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There side of the story is already in the public domain through the minutes of public meetings and various stuff available under FOIA requests .
Councillors simply ca n't respond to random militant bloggers on a level playing field .
For one they ca n't use the language bloggers use ( if they like being employed that is ) .
Even if the councillor does use civil language , getting in a public debate with someone that hostile not only will look bad ( regardless of if they win it or not ) , it will add legitimacy to that blog .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There side of the story is already in the public domain through the minutes of public meetings and various stuff available under FOIA requests.
Councillors simply can't respond to random militant bloggers on a level playing field.
For one they can't use the language bloggers use (if they like being employed that is).
Even if the councillor does use civil language, getting in a public debate with someone that hostile not only will look bad (regardless of if they win it or not) , it will add legitimacy to that blog.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29943576</id>
	<title>Re:Can we get rid of the US Congress so easily?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257108840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, in St Andrews, Fife council used to collect paper (blue bin), garden waste (brown bin) and general waste (black bin) every week. As of last year they now collect each every two weeks (paper/garden one week and the general waste the other week). The reason given was to encourage recycling, but of course the real reason is to save money by halving collections.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , in St Andrews , Fife council used to collect paper ( blue bin ) , garden waste ( brown bin ) and general waste ( black bin ) every week .
As of last year they now collect each every two weeks ( paper/garden one week and the general waste the other week ) .
The reason given was to encourage recycling , but of course the real reason is to save money by halving collections .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, in St Andrews, Fife council used to collect paper (blue bin), garden waste (brown bin) and general waste (black bin) every week.
As of last year they now collect each every two weeks (paper/garden one week and the general waste the other week).
The reason given was to encourage recycling, but of course the real reason is to save money by halving collections.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29949436</id>
	<title>Time to coin a new term</title>
	<author>s1lverl0rd</author>
	<datestamp>1257172140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>'Blogtivism', perchance?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>'Blogtivism ' , perchance ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'Blogtivism', perchance?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29940669</id>
	<title>Re:Can we get rid of the US Congress so easily?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257077160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The associated blog itself only hints at the underlying cause - it *appears* that a direct enquiry as to why the said council was not responding to requests under the Freedom of Information Act let to a mass "spontaneous" resignation. It all appeared to be quite an orchestrated circus, the mass walk-out that is, and so was probably foreseen by the said council members. Funny how they all had letters of resignation ready to submit.<br>Methinks they doth protest too much, and one anticipates exposure of earlier ill-deeds by some of the outgoing council, perhaps even legal actions.<br>Overall, kudos to the blogger for speaking truth to power - more evidence that the current "blogger's revolution" referenced recently here on slashdot will see our modern media overturned in short shrift.<br>And from the comments to the blog, it looks like it's riled up the peasants somewhat, and we'll see more citizen action in the near future. It's so heartening to see grass-roots action affecting real change.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The associated blog itself only hints at the underlying cause - it * appears * that a direct enquiry as to why the said council was not responding to requests under the Freedom of Information Act let to a mass " spontaneous " resignation .
It all appeared to be quite an orchestrated circus , the mass walk-out that is , and so was probably foreseen by the said council members .
Funny how they all had letters of resignation ready to submit.Methinks they doth protest too much , and one anticipates exposure of earlier ill-deeds by some of the outgoing council , perhaps even legal actions.Overall , kudos to the blogger for speaking truth to power - more evidence that the current " blogger 's revolution " referenced recently here on slashdot will see our modern media overturned in short shrift.And from the comments to the blog , it looks like it 's riled up the peasants somewhat , and we 'll see more citizen action in the near future .
It 's so heartening to see grass-roots action affecting real change .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The associated blog itself only hints at the underlying cause - it *appears* that a direct enquiry as to why the said council was not responding to requests under the Freedom of Information Act let to a mass "spontaneous" resignation.
It all appeared to be quite an orchestrated circus, the mass walk-out that is, and so was probably foreseen by the said council members.
Funny how they all had letters of resignation ready to submit.Methinks they doth protest too much, and one anticipates exposure of earlier ill-deeds by some of the outgoing council, perhaps even legal actions.Overall, kudos to the blogger for speaking truth to power - more evidence that the current "blogger's revolution" referenced recently here on slashdot will see our modern media overturned in short shrift.And from the comments to the blog, it looks like it's riled up the peasants somewhat, and we'll see more citizen action in the near future.
It's so heartening to see grass-roots action affecting real change.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29940631</id>
	<title>Re:You LIE!</title>
	<author>Zarf</author>
	<datestamp>1257076020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In all seriousness... from the scant details in the real article (which barely provides any information) it seems the blog functioned as a newspaper would. Other than the fact that this was a blog I don't see how this is different from<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... say "The Colonist's Advocate" used by Benjamin Franklin... or their modern analogs such as Comedy Central's "The Daily Show" or their "Covert Report"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... or (on the right) the "comedians" such as Rush Limbaugh or the comedy players on Fox News. There's a fine tradition of comedians helping to shape politics dating back at least as far as Shakespeare.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In all seriousness... from the scant details in the real article ( which barely provides any information ) it seems the blog functioned as a newspaper would .
Other than the fact that this was a blog I do n't see how this is different from ... say " The Colonist 's Advocate " used by Benjamin Franklin... or their modern analogs such as Comedy Central 's " The Daily Show " or their " Covert Report " ... or ( on the right ) the " comedians " such as Rush Limbaugh or the comedy players on Fox News .
There 's a fine tradition of comedians helping to shape politics dating back at least as far as Shakespeare .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In all seriousness... from the scant details in the real article (which barely provides any information) it seems the blog functioned as a newspaper would.
Other than the fact that this was a blog I don't see how this is different from ... say "The Colonist's Advocate" used by Benjamin Franklin... or their modern analogs such as Comedy Central's "The Daily Show" or their "Covert Report" ... or (on the right) the "comedians" such as Rush Limbaugh or the comedy players on Fox News.
There's a fine tradition of comedians helping to shape politics dating back at least as far as Shakespeare.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29942716</id>
	<title>Re:Can we get rid of the US Congress so easily?</title>
	<author>Filthio</author>
	<datestamp>1257101880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>We're concatenating all the different roles and responsibilities of councils here. It's not entirely fair to tar all of them with the same brush.

Note that town councillors are not civil servants, but unpaid volunteers. Admittedly, they get expenses for their work, but essentially they are acting in person, not as employees. Civil servants by contrast are employees who work for central government, not local.

And town councils are not usually responsible for waste collection or planning, either.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We 're concatenating all the different roles and responsibilities of councils here .
It 's not entirely fair to tar all of them with the same brush .
Note that town councillors are not civil servants , but unpaid volunteers .
Admittedly , they get expenses for their work , but essentially they are acting in person , not as employees .
Civil servants by contrast are employees who work for central government , not local .
And town councils are not usually responsible for waste collection or planning , either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We're concatenating all the different roles and responsibilities of councils here.
It's not entirely fair to tar all of them with the same brush.
Note that town councillors are not civil servants, but unpaid volunteers.
Admittedly, they get expenses for their work, but essentially they are acting in person, not as employees.
Civil servants by contrast are employees who work for central government, not local.
And town councils are not usually responsible for waste collection or planning, either.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29941371</id>
	<title>Re:Revealed as feeble...</title>
	<author>biryokumaru</author>
	<datestamp>1257088080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Clearly they should have trolled his comments.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Clearly they should have trolled his comments .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Clearly they should have trolled his comments.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29942003</id>
	<title>Re:Can we get rid of the US Congress so easily?</title>
	<author>Sir\_Lewk</author>
	<datestamp>1257094200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The cameras in people's homes are a UK Gov plan that the councils have no choice but to follow - blame the cabinet for that cracking idea</p></div></blockquote><p>There is <i>always</i> an alternative choice, though it may not be the most pleasant of things to think about.  Us American's kicked your government to the curb over a few tax disputes (and a few other issues).  Placing cameras in private citizens' homes seem to me like a much bigger issue.</p><p>You guys could at least throw a few riots or something.  And no, angry postings on slashdot do not count.  By excusing this sort of behaviour all you are doing is shifting blame from your government to yourself.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The cameras in people 's homes are a UK Gov plan that the councils have no choice but to follow - blame the cabinet for that cracking ideaThere is always an alternative choice , though it may not be the most pleasant of things to think about .
Us American 's kicked your government to the curb over a few tax disputes ( and a few other issues ) .
Placing cameras in private citizens ' homes seem to me like a much bigger issue.You guys could at least throw a few riots or something .
And no , angry postings on slashdot do not count .
By excusing this sort of behaviour all you are doing is shifting blame from your government to yourself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The cameras in people's homes are a UK Gov plan that the councils have no choice but to follow - blame the cabinet for that cracking ideaThere is always an alternative choice, though it may not be the most pleasant of things to think about.
Us American's kicked your government to the curb over a few tax disputes (and a few other issues).
Placing cameras in private citizens' homes seem to me like a much bigger issue.You guys could at least throw a few riots or something.
And no, angry postings on slashdot do not count.
By excusing this sort of behaviour all you are doing is shifting blame from your government to yourself.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29941543</id>
	<title>Hopefully....</title>
	<author>BigBadBus</author>
	<datestamp>1257090180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>..my name and shame blog will have the same effect - follow the link in my signature line...</htmltext>
<tokenext>..my name and shame blog will have the same effect - follow the link in my signature line.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>..my name and shame blog will have the same effect - follow the link in my signature line...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29944560</id>
	<title>Your mom jokes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257071940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Linking the president to your mom jokes sounds kinda racy if you ask me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Linking the president to your mom jokes sounds kinda racy if you ask me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Linking the president to your mom jokes sounds kinda racy if you ask me.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29941871</id>
	<title>Re:Can we get rid of the US Congress so easily?</title>
	<author>Daniel Dvorkin</author>
	<datestamp>1257092940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I think all rational people realize that when someone whips out the Nazi comparison that they're just behaving irrationally</i></p><p>Normally you'd be right, but you know, when the council voted to invade Poland, <b>someone had to dare to speak the truth!</b></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think all rational people realize that when someone whips out the Nazi comparison that they 're just behaving irrationallyNormally you 'd be right , but you know , when the council voted to invade Poland , someone had to dare to speak the truth !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think all rational people realize that when someone whips out the Nazi comparison that they're just behaving irrationallyNormally you'd be right, but you know, when the council voted to invade Poland, someone had to dare to speak the truth!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29940547</id>
	<title>You LIE!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257074460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm going to let you finish but...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm going to let you finish but.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm going to let you finish but...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29940801</id>
	<title>Re:Can we get rid of the US Congress so easily?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257079800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are correct, they resigned because of sustained pressure not just from this blogger but from local press and constituents (voters). They are just blaming the blogger to elect sympathy (no pun intended).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are correct , they resigned because of sustained pressure not just from this blogger but from local press and constituents ( voters ) .
They are just blaming the blogger to elect sympathy ( no pun intended ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are correct, they resigned because of sustained pressure not just from this blogger but from local press and constituents (voters).
They are just blaming the blogger to elect sympathy (no pun intended).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29941839</id>
	<title>Re:Can we get rid of the US Congress so easily?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257092580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>.... to elect sympathy (no pun intended).</p></div><p>No pun achieved because the word you thought you were using is 'elicit.'</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>.... to elect sympathy ( no pun intended ) .No pun achieved because the word you thought you were using is 'elicit .
'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.... to elect sympathy (no pun intended).No pun achieved because the word you thought you were using is 'elicit.
'
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29940801</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29945330</id>
	<title>Re:Can we get rid of the US Congress so easily?</title>
	<author>fotoguzzi</author>
	<datestamp>1257077940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, Google Street view apparently never made it down Chapel Street in Leigh.  They were possibly blocked by that egregious barber pole.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , Google Street view apparently never made it down Chapel Street in Leigh .
They were possibly blocked by that egregious barber pole .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, Google Street view apparently never made it down Chapel Street in Leigh.
They were possibly blocked by that egregious barber pole.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29940983</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29941771</id>
	<title>Godwin's Law</title>
	<author>bertoelcon</author>
	<datestamp>1257092100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This guy won his argument invoking Godwin's Law? I thought calling someone a Nazi or Hitler was a sign that the name-caller has lost.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This guy won his argument invoking Godwin 's Law ?
I thought calling someone a Nazi or Hitler was a sign that the name-caller has lost .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This guy won his argument invoking Godwin's Law?
I thought calling someone a Nazi or Hitler was a sign that the name-caller has lost.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29941357</id>
	<title>Re:Can we get rid of the US Congress so easily?</title>
	<author>biryokumaru</author>
	<datestamp>1257087960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In America, a lot of that crap would get you shot, I don't care if you're from the "government" or not. Even federal agents need probable cause (or some other silly legal term for "a pretty darn good reason to look through your stuff," ridiculousness about border controls post 9/11 notwithstanding). Why do people still live in countries where something like that is allowed to go on?</htmltext>
<tokenext>In America , a lot of that crap would get you shot , I do n't care if you 're from the " government " or not .
Even federal agents need probable cause ( or some other silly legal term for " a pretty darn good reason to look through your stuff , " ridiculousness about border controls post 9/11 notwithstanding ) .
Why do people still live in countries where something like that is allowed to go on ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In America, a lot of that crap would get you shot, I don't care if you're from the "government" or not.
Even federal agents need probable cause (or some other silly legal term for "a pretty darn good reason to look through your stuff," ridiculousness about border controls post 9/11 notwithstanding).
Why do people still live in countries where something like that is allowed to go on?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29940983</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29941717</id>
	<title>Re:XKCD SUCKS!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257091680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>The sad truth is, it sucks a lot. It being any of the following:  Xkcd, Enders game, your favorite band, your favorite operating system, your mom. But ironically, no one really cares what you or I just wrote.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The sad truth is , it sucks a lot .
It being any of the following : Xkcd , Enders game , your favorite band , your favorite operating system , your mom .
But ironically , no one really cares what you or I just wrote .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The sad truth is, it sucks a lot.
It being any of the following:  Xkcd, Enders game, your favorite band, your favorite operating system, your mom.
But ironically, no one really cares what you or I just wrote.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29940539</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29948296</id>
	<title>Re:Can we get rid of the US Congress so easily?</title>
	<author>Fishy</author>
	<datestamp>1257153240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let me give you a hint, the Daily Mail is more National Inquirer than the Washington Post.  Tabloid stories are seldom actually true.</p><p>Out of your list a little more research would have shown that you are about 80\% incorrect.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let me give you a hint , the Daily Mail is more National Inquirer than the Washington Post .
Tabloid stories are seldom actually true.Out of your list a little more research would have shown that you are about 80 \ % incorrect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let me give you a hint, the Daily Mail is more National Inquirer than the Washington Post.
Tabloid stories are seldom actually true.Out of your list a little more research would have shown that you are about 80\% incorrect.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29940983</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29941843</id>
	<title>Seems to me more like...</title>
	<author>denzacar</author>
	<datestamp>1257092640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>An organized walk-out in order to sabotage the council.</p><p>They can't or won't fix the things they are responsible for - so they stage a walkout and blame it all on the opposition coming from a vocal minority.<br>Being called "clowns" and "nazis" is hardly a cause for "Businessman Mr Canvin, 61" to storm out cause he is "not going to tolerate it when [he's] working for the town."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>An organized walk-out in order to sabotage the council.They ca n't or wo n't fix the things they are responsible for - so they stage a walkout and blame it all on the opposition coming from a vocal minority.Being called " clowns " and " nazis " is hardly a cause for " Businessman Mr Canvin , 61 " to storm out cause he is " not going to tolerate it when [ he 's ] working for the town .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An organized walk-out in order to sabotage the council.They can't or won't fix the things they are responsible for - so they stage a walkout and blame it all on the opposition coming from a vocal minority.Being called "clowns" and "nazis" is hardly a cause for "Businessman Mr Canvin, 61" to storm out cause he is "not going to tolerate it when [he's] working for the town.
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29940605</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29941243</id>
	<title>Re:Can we get rid of the US Congress so easily?</title>
	<author>Jawn98685</author>
	<datestamp>1257086400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...and perhaps a few loud townhall meetings were involved (both of which, incidentally, you can't do at either the US House or Senate).</p></div><p>Ahem..., kept up on recent events in the House much? Let's just say that for certain factions, those feeling a little "challenged", decorum ain't what it used to be. <br>
<br>
As for TFA, it is indeed startlingly short on detail and context that might have made the story more meaningful. <i>If</i> the elected officials actually suffered from harassment, as opposed to civil discourse that legitimately challenged their actions, it is a shame that they quit. If that's what happens it means the system is more broken than if they had only been guilty of corruption.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...and perhaps a few loud townhall meetings were involved ( both of which , incidentally , you ca n't do at either the US House or Senate ) .Ahem... , kept up on recent events in the House much ?
Let 's just say that for certain factions , those feeling a little " challenged " , decorum ai n't what it used to be .
As for TFA , it is indeed startlingly short on detail and context that might have made the story more meaningful .
If the elected officials actually suffered from harassment , as opposed to civil discourse that legitimately challenged their actions , it is a shame that they quit .
If that 's what happens it means the system is more broken than if they had only been guilty of corruption .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...and perhaps a few loud townhall meetings were involved (both of which, incidentally, you can't do at either the US House or Senate).Ahem..., kept up on recent events in the House much?
Let's just say that for certain factions, those feeling a little "challenged", decorum ain't what it used to be.
As for TFA, it is indeed startlingly short on detail and context that might have made the story more meaningful.
If the elected officials actually suffered from harassment, as opposed to civil discourse that legitimately challenged their actions, it is a shame that they quit.
If that's what happens it means the system is more broken than if they had only been guilty of corruption.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29947686</id>
	<title>OT: short shrift</title>
	<author>thePowerOfGrayskull</author>
	<datestamp>1257100560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can't help it, so bear with me.  I think that phrase doesn't mean quite fit in as you think it does:<p><div class="quote"><p>evidence that the current "blogger's revolution" referenced recently here on slashdot will see our modern media overturned in short shrift.</p></div><p><div class="quote"><p>1 : barely adequate time for confession before execution
2 a : little or no attention or consideration  b : quick work &mdash;usually used in the phrase make short shrift of</p></div><p>Perhaps the phrase you wanted was "in short order"?  Can't put my finger on it, but using that phrase as indirect object just seems incorrect...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't help it , so bear with me .
I think that phrase does n't mean quite fit in as you think it does : evidence that the current " blogger 's revolution " referenced recently here on slashdot will see our modern media overturned in short shrift.1 : barely adequate time for confession before execution 2 a : little or no attention or consideration b : quick work    usually used in the phrase make short shrift ofPerhaps the phrase you wanted was " in short order " ?
Ca n't put my finger on it , but using that phrase as indirect object just seems incorrect.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't help it, so bear with me.
I think that phrase doesn't mean quite fit in as you think it does:evidence that the current "blogger's revolution" referenced recently here on slashdot will see our modern media overturned in short shrift.1 : barely adequate time for confession before execution
2 a : little or no attention or consideration  b : quick work —usually used in the phrase make short shrift ofPerhaps the phrase you wanted was "in short order"?
Can't put my finger on it, but using that phrase as indirect object just seems incorrect...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29940669</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29940823</id>
	<title>Councillors are not career politicians</title>
	<author>chico\_the\_chihuahua</author>
	<datestamp>1257080340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Many town councillors work with a limited renumeration, which is enough to cover their out-of-pocket expenses, and perhaps a bit more, but certainly not enough to live on. They will also be full time professionals in another occupation as their long term career, or perhaps be retired and living off a pension.</p><p>Although elected, they will also regard their work as giving something back to the community, so I can understand why harassment might make them decide that it's not worth volunteering their services any more. It costs money to pursue libel cases, and it's unlikely this blogger has any coin to pay damages anyway, so it's easier to leave the situation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Many town councillors work with a limited renumeration , which is enough to cover their out-of-pocket expenses , and perhaps a bit more , but certainly not enough to live on .
They will also be full time professionals in another occupation as their long term career , or perhaps be retired and living off a pension.Although elected , they will also regard their work as giving something back to the community , so I can understand why harassment might make them decide that it 's not worth volunteering their services any more .
It costs money to pursue libel cases , and it 's unlikely this blogger has any coin to pay damages anyway , so it 's easier to leave the situation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many town councillors work with a limited renumeration, which is enough to cover their out-of-pocket expenses, and perhaps a bit more, but certainly not enough to live on.
They will also be full time professionals in another occupation as their long term career, or perhaps be retired and living off a pension.Although elected, they will also regard their work as giving something back to the community, so I can understand why harassment might make them decide that it's not worth volunteering their services any more.
It costs money to pursue libel cases, and it's unlikely this blogger has any coin to pay damages anyway, so it's easier to leave the situation.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29943330</id>
	<title>The xkcd comic not quite right about Ender's Game</title>
	<author>gblackwo</author>
	<datestamp>1257107100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The problem with the xkcd comic is that nowadays the internet is so large it is statistically improbable to get your voice heard- which is I am assuming what they are trying to poke fun at. In Ender's Game, the "nets" seemed to be portrayed as a much smaller network, maybe more similar to the days of usenet. Reading Ender's Game as the nets were portrayed did make the situation plausible.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem with the xkcd comic is that nowadays the internet is so large it is statistically improbable to get your voice heard- which is I am assuming what they are trying to poke fun at .
In Ender 's Game , the " nets " seemed to be portrayed as a much smaller network , maybe more similar to the days of usenet .
Reading Ender 's Game as the nets were portrayed did make the situation plausible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem with the xkcd comic is that nowadays the internet is so large it is statistically improbable to get your voice heard- which is I am assuming what they are trying to poke fun at.
In Ender's Game, the "nets" seemed to be portrayed as a much smaller network, maybe more similar to the days of usenet.
Reading Ender's Game as the nets were portrayed did make the situation plausible.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29944778</id>
	<title>Re:Can we get rid of the US Congress so easily?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257073500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just to put your mind at rest the blogger in question never called them on the phone at any time of the day or night. However, he did send them each a questionaire with ten questions. I would suggest that sending the councillors a questionaire is hardly the action of someone irrational.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just to put your mind at rest the blogger in question never called them on the phone at any time of the day or night .
However , he did send them each a questionaire with ten questions .
I would suggest that sending the councillors a questionaire is hardly the action of someone irrational .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just to put your mind at rest the blogger in question never called them on the phone at any time of the day or night.
However, he did send them each a questionaire with ten questions.
I would suggest that sending the councillors a questionaire is hardly the action of someone irrational.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29940861</id>
	<title>Re:CounCILLors!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257081120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>They're councillors. As in, people on a council. Counsellors are a different breed of people altogether, like Troi.</p></div>

</blockquote><p>That's because Slashdot editors are a different breed of people altogether, as well. &lt;ducks&gt;</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're councillors .
As in , people on a council .
Counsellors are a different breed of people altogether , like Troi .
That 's because Slashdot editors are a different breed of people altogether , as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're councillors.
As in, people on a council.
Counsellors are a different breed of people altogether, like Troi.
That's because Slashdot editors are a different breed of people altogether, as well. 
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29940851</id>
	<title>Re:On the other hand, it's Somerton</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257080880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That sounds right to me. How anyone (BBC included) can reduce the interests and actions of 100+ locals down to the words of one blogger is an odd bit of misinterpretation. At best M&amp;B is a lightning rod, an articulation of sentiment that is apparently shared by a significant number of others. So any assignment of responsibility is about like blaming the messenger.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That sounds right to me .
How anyone ( BBC included ) can reduce the interests and actions of 100 + locals down to the words of one blogger is an odd bit of misinterpretation .
At best M&amp;B is a lightning rod , an articulation of sentiment that is apparently shared by a significant number of others .
So any assignment of responsibility is about like blaming the messenger .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That sounds right to me.
How anyone (BBC included) can reduce the interests and actions of 100+ locals down to the words of one blogger is an odd bit of misinterpretation.
At best M&amp;B is a lightning rod, an articulation of sentiment that is apparently shared by a significant number of others.
So any assignment of responsibility is about like blaming the messenger.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29940609</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29944296</id>
	<title>Re:Can we get rid of the US Congress so easily?</title>
	<author>lennier</author>
	<datestamp>1257070320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"The movie Brazil would have been better named "UK" because as they say, nobody does bureaucracy like the English "</p><p>Well, it wasn't *about* Brazil... so yes. Duh.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The movie Brazil would have been better named " UK " because as they say , nobody does bureaucracy like the English " Well , it was n't * about * Brazil... so yes .
Duh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The movie Brazil would have been better named "UK" because as they say, nobody does bureaucracy like the English "Well, it wasn't *about* Brazil... so yes.
Duh.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29940983</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29941925</id>
	<title>Re:Can we get rid of the US Congress so easily?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257093420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No pun was perpetrated, thus whatever intention of yours elicited your comment is moot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No pun was perpetrated , thus whatever intention of yours elicited your comment is moot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No pun was perpetrated, thus whatever intention of yours elicited your comment is moot.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29940539</id>
	<title>XKCD SUCKS!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257074400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey hey look, it's a comic just for people who read the book Ender's Game! If you didn't read it, fuck off. This comic isn't for you. But you should read it, it's good. As I'm sure you know.</p><p>Randall doesn't make these sorts of comics that often, to be fair, but there have been those exceptions. They're like any other reference comic, I suppose, but it's a dangerous trap to fall into. They significantly cut down on the percentage of your audience who will be entertained. And before you all go "Oh come ON everyone has read ender's game" or "well anyone who is an xkcd fan has read it" let me just assure you that that is completely not true. Plenty of total nerds haven't read it. OK? I know nerds who haven't even seen Star Wars. Crazy, I know, but it's true.</p><p>Anyway, I have read Ender's Game, so luckily I'm in a good position to complain about this comic.</p><p>The joke, as far as I can tell, is that in real life, Peter's plan to get famous would fail and no one would read his blog. Ok. It took me a while though - the way it's set up, it looks like the joke is just that the plan he has is basically the same as blogging, and seeing the wordpress page with all his posts is sort of the visual punchline. But that's not funny; it's just saying "HEY WHAT PETER 'N' VALENTINE ARE DOING IS BASICALLY BLOGGING" which doesn't make Randall funny so much as make Orson Scott Card rather prescient.</p><p>OK but the joke is that no one would care. That's fine, I guess, but the whole point of that plot of the book is that they are very very good writers, not just the usual idiots out there spouting off about 9/11 truthism and Obama birthism and all the other completely hilaious conspiracy theories we are seeing these days. Is it still unlikely that Peter and Valentine's plan would work? Sure. But it's unlikely that a young kid would go to a place called Battle School, beat all the other kids in the combat room, and go on to (SPOILER ALERT) do all that stuff he does. It's a book. More specifically, it's a science fiction book. It's not supposed to be what would happen in all of our ordinary lives. Furthermore, I'd like to quote Kirk's very good comment on a related matter:</p><p>Anyway, the adding of fivethirtyeight in the corner of the screen sorta defeats the observation Randall is making. Fivethirtyeight is a political blog that was so popular that it pushed its creator into mainstream popularity (he is a constant commenter on MSNBC, along with other media appearances). The point learned from fivethirtyeight is that if you are able to provide a unique product, you will gain notoriety even amongst a sea of competitors.</p><p>And the fact that I am quoting Kirk means that he too is gaining fame for pointing out a smart thing.</p><p>Anyway, the only other thing I have to say is that in light of the fact that Randall is The God Of Reddit, that Reddit is publishing his book, and the ongoing "ask randall the questions that get the most reddit votes" thread, the alt-text - "Dear Peter Wiggin: This letter is to inform you that you have received enough upvotes on your reddit comments to become president of the world..." - strikes me as a little self-serving and a lot fan-servicey.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Hey hey look , it 's a comic just for people who read the book Ender 's Game !
If you did n't read it , fuck off .
This comic is n't for you .
But you should read it , it 's good .
As I 'm sure you know.Randall does n't make these sorts of comics that often , to be fair , but there have been those exceptions .
They 're like any other reference comic , I suppose , but it 's a dangerous trap to fall into .
They significantly cut down on the percentage of your audience who will be entertained .
And before you all go " Oh come ON everyone has read ender 's game " or " well anyone who is an xkcd fan has read it " let me just assure you that that is completely not true .
Plenty of total nerds have n't read it .
OK ? I know nerds who have n't even seen Star Wars .
Crazy , I know , but it 's true.Anyway , I have read Ender 's Game , so luckily I 'm in a good position to complain about this comic.The joke , as far as I can tell , is that in real life , Peter 's plan to get famous would fail and no one would read his blog .
Ok. It took me a while though - the way it 's set up , it looks like the joke is just that the plan he has is basically the same as blogging , and seeing the wordpress page with all his posts is sort of the visual punchline .
But that 's not funny ; it 's just saying " HEY WHAT PETER 'N ' VALENTINE ARE DOING IS BASICALLY BLOGGING " which does n't make Randall funny so much as make Orson Scott Card rather prescient.OK but the joke is that no one would care .
That 's fine , I guess , but the whole point of that plot of the book is that they are very very good writers , not just the usual idiots out there spouting off about 9/11 truthism and Obama birthism and all the other completely hilaious conspiracy theories we are seeing these days .
Is it still unlikely that Peter and Valentine 's plan would work ?
Sure. But it 's unlikely that a young kid would go to a place called Battle School , beat all the other kids in the combat room , and go on to ( SPOILER ALERT ) do all that stuff he does .
It 's a book .
More specifically , it 's a science fiction book .
It 's not supposed to be what would happen in all of our ordinary lives .
Furthermore , I 'd like to quote Kirk 's very good comment on a related matter : Anyway , the adding of fivethirtyeight in the corner of the screen sorta defeats the observation Randall is making .
Fivethirtyeight is a political blog that was so popular that it pushed its creator into mainstream popularity ( he is a constant commenter on MSNBC , along with other media appearances ) .
The point learned from fivethirtyeight is that if you are able to provide a unique product , you will gain notoriety even amongst a sea of competitors.And the fact that I am quoting Kirk means that he too is gaining fame for pointing out a smart thing.Anyway , the only other thing I have to say is that in light of the fact that Randall is The God Of Reddit , that Reddit is publishing his book , and the ongoing " ask randall the questions that get the most reddit votes " thread , the alt-text - " Dear Peter Wiggin : This letter is to inform you that you have received enough upvotes on your reddit comments to become president of the world... " - strikes me as a little self-serving and a lot fan-servicey .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey hey look, it's a comic just for people who read the book Ender's Game!
If you didn't read it, fuck off.
This comic isn't for you.
But you should read it, it's good.
As I'm sure you know.Randall doesn't make these sorts of comics that often, to be fair, but there have been those exceptions.
They're like any other reference comic, I suppose, but it's a dangerous trap to fall into.
They significantly cut down on the percentage of your audience who will be entertained.
And before you all go "Oh come ON everyone has read ender's game" or "well anyone who is an xkcd fan has read it" let me just assure you that that is completely not true.
Plenty of total nerds haven't read it.
OK? I know nerds who haven't even seen Star Wars.
Crazy, I know, but it's true.Anyway, I have read Ender's Game, so luckily I'm in a good position to complain about this comic.The joke, as far as I can tell, is that in real life, Peter's plan to get famous would fail and no one would read his blog.
Ok. It took me a while though - the way it's set up, it looks like the joke is just that the plan he has is basically the same as blogging, and seeing the wordpress page with all his posts is sort of the visual punchline.
But that's not funny; it's just saying "HEY WHAT PETER 'N' VALENTINE ARE DOING IS BASICALLY BLOGGING" which doesn't make Randall funny so much as make Orson Scott Card rather prescient.OK but the joke is that no one would care.
That's fine, I guess, but the whole point of that plot of the book is that they are very very good writers, not just the usual idiots out there spouting off about 9/11 truthism and Obama birthism and all the other completely hilaious conspiracy theories we are seeing these days.
Is it still unlikely that Peter and Valentine's plan would work?
Sure. But it's unlikely that a young kid would go to a place called Battle School, beat all the other kids in the combat room, and go on to (SPOILER ALERT) do all that stuff he does.
It's a book.
More specifically, it's a science fiction book.
It's not supposed to be what would happen in all of our ordinary lives.
Furthermore, I'd like to quote Kirk's very good comment on a related matter:Anyway, the adding of fivethirtyeight in the corner of the screen sorta defeats the observation Randall is making.
Fivethirtyeight is a political blog that was so popular that it pushed its creator into mainstream popularity (he is a constant commenter on MSNBC, along with other media appearances).
The point learned from fivethirtyeight is that if you are able to provide a unique product, you will gain notoriety even amongst a sea of competitors.And the fact that I am quoting Kirk means that he too is gaining fame for pointing out a smart thing.Anyway, the only other thing I have to say is that in light of the fact that Randall is The God Of Reddit, that Reddit is publishing his book, and the ongoing "ask randall the questions that get the most reddit votes" thread, the alt-text - "Dear Peter Wiggin: This letter is to inform you that you have received enough upvotes on your reddit comments to become president of the world..." - strikes me as a little self-serving and a lot fan-servicey.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29941133</id>
	<title>Re:Revealed as feeble...</title>
	<author>arb phd slp</author>
	<datestamp>1257085260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And what prevented those councillors from telling their side of the story?</p><p>
&nbsp; Clearly they had no real response to this blogger, and so just folded.</p><p>Leaves me wondering whether they were guilty or merely incompetent.</p></div><p>The same thing that keeps Glenn Beck from using his extensive media access to refute the story that he raped and murdered a young girl in 1990.</p></div>
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<tokenext>And what prevented those councillors from telling their side of the story ?
  Clearly they had no real response to this blogger , and so just folded.Leaves me wondering whether they were guilty or merely incompetent.The same thing that keeps Glenn Beck from using his extensive media access to refute the story that he raped and murdered a young girl in 1990 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And what prevented those councillors from telling their side of the story?
  Clearly they had no real response to this blogger, and so just folded.Leaves me wondering whether they were guilty or merely incompetent.The same thing that keeps Glenn Beck from using his extensive media access to refute the story that he raped and murdered a young girl in 1990.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29940651</id>
	<title>Re:Can we get rid of the US Congress so easily?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257076620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To be fair, looking at his blog (<a href="http://muckandbrass.blogspot.com/" title="blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">see here</a> [blogspot.com]) he's not exactly clear about his allegations.  Having read his droolings, I firmly believe that people would quit working for a council to avoid having to deal with that paranoid mental case.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To be fair , looking at his blog ( see here [ blogspot.com ] ) he 's not exactly clear about his allegations .
Having read his droolings , I firmly believe that people would quit working for a council to avoid having to deal with that paranoid mental case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To be fair, looking at his blog (see here [blogspot.com]) he's not exactly clear about his allegations.
Having read his droolings, I firmly believe that people would quit working for a council to avoid having to deal with that paranoid mental case.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29948458</id>
	<title>Re:Can we get rid of the US Congress so easily?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257156180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What a twit you are, why not read the blog first and find out the facts before saying such ridiculous things like :</p><p>" I'd be willing to bet that at least some level of phone calls to their homes at all hours and perhaps a few loud townhall meetings were involved"</p><p>It does your publication no credit at all !</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What a twit you are , why not read the blog first and find out the facts before saying such ridiculous things like : " I 'd be willing to bet that at least some level of phone calls to their homes at all hours and perhaps a few loud townhall meetings were involved " It does your publication no credit at all !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What a twit you are, why not read the blog first and find out the facts before saying such ridiculous things like :" I'd be willing to bet that at least some level of phone calls to their homes at all hours and perhaps a few loud townhall meetings were involved"It does your publication no credit at all !</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29940919</id>
	<title>Re:Can we get rid of the US Congress so easily?</title>
	<author>thewiz</author>
	<datestamp>1257082020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>An answer to your title: Of course we can't; they're too hooked on the money they get from lobbyists and "special" interests.  The money and congressional aids make it easier to ignore the citizens of the USA.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>An answer to your title : Of course we ca n't ; they 're too hooked on the money they get from lobbyists and " special " interests .
The money and congressional aids make it easier to ignore the citizens of the USA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An answer to your title: Of course we can't; they're too hooked on the money they get from lobbyists and "special" interests.
The money and congressional aids make it easier to ignore the citizens of the USA.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29940777</id>
	<title>Re:CounCILLors!</title>
	<author>Sockatume</author>
	<datestamp>1257079440000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I dunno, standing up in front of everyone and stating the bleeding obvious like it's some sort of startling revelation sounds like a councillor too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I dunno , standing up in front of everyone and stating the bleeding obvious like it 's some sort of startling revelation sounds like a councillor too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dunno, standing up in front of everyone and stating the bleeding obvious like it's some sort of startling revelation sounds like a councillor too.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29942436</id>
	<title>Re:Can we get rid of the US Congress so easily?</title>
	<author>PReDiToR</author>
	<datestamp>1257098880000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I've heard of no councils that have reduced bin collection to every 2 weeks - only certain 'luxury pickups' like garden waste (leaves, hedge trimmings etc.) and certain recycling pickups; so definite citation needed here</p></div><p>Our bins (somewhere up north) alternate black one week, garden/bottles/cardboard the next. This is the standard for most of the City.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I 've heard of no councils that have reduced bin collection to every 2 weeks - only certain 'luxury pickups ' like garden waste ( leaves , hedge trimmings etc .
) and certain recycling pickups ; so definite citation needed hereOur bins ( somewhere up north ) alternate black one week , garden/bottles/cardboard the next .
This is the standard for most of the City .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've heard of no councils that have reduced bin collection to every 2 weeks - only certain 'luxury pickups' like garden waste (leaves, hedge trimmings etc.
) and certain recycling pickups; so definite citation needed hereOur bins (somewhere up north) alternate black one week, garden/bottles/cardboard the next.
This is the standard for most of the City.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29951290</id>
	<title>Re:Can we get rid of the US Congress so easily?</title>
	<author>tehcyder</author>
	<datestamp>1257182640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>In America, a lot of that crap would get you shot, I don't care if you're from the "government" or not.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Surely even in America it's not a valid defence to a murder charge to say that someone was looking through your bins so they deserved it?</p></div>
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<tokenext>In America , a lot of that crap would get you shot , I do n't care if you 're from the " government " or not .
Surely even in America it 's not a valid defence to a murder charge to say that someone was looking through your bins so they deserved it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In America, a lot of that crap would get you shot, I don't care if you're from the "government" or not.
Surely even in America it's not a valid defence to a murder charge to say that someone was looking through your bins so they deserved it?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29940609</id>
	<title>On the other hand, it's Somerton</title>
	<author>Kupfernigk</author>
	<datestamp>1257075780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Disclaimer: I live in the Somerton and Frome constituency. The East side (where I live) is part of the 21st century, The politics is mainly Lib Dem (the only mainstream UK progressive party- and no, I am not a member.) The south-west side is deeply conservative and rural, and the local grandees have a huge sense of entitlement. They think that they have a right to run things and nobody should be allowed to criticise them. (They are also the area's Nimbys - they try to block industry or anything that will modernise the area and provide well-paid jobs for non-landowners.)<p>Now someone thinks they have the right to comment on Council decisions - and the toys get thrown out of the pram.</p><p>This is not about bloggers. It's about rural Conservatives finding their views called into question. It would be exactly the same if it was a campaigning newspaper, or if the people in subsidised housing started a resident's group and sent someone to see what happened in Council meetings.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Disclaimer : I live in the Somerton and Frome constituency .
The East side ( where I live ) is part of the 21st century , The politics is mainly Lib Dem ( the only mainstream UK progressive party- and no , I am not a member .
) The south-west side is deeply conservative and rural , and the local grandees have a huge sense of entitlement .
They think that they have a right to run things and nobody should be allowed to criticise them .
( They are also the area 's Nimbys - they try to block industry or anything that will modernise the area and provide well-paid jobs for non-landowners .
) Now someone thinks they have the right to comment on Council decisions - and the toys get thrown out of the pram.This is not about bloggers .
It 's about rural Conservatives finding their views called into question .
It would be exactly the same if it was a campaigning newspaper , or if the people in subsidised housing started a resident 's group and sent someone to see what happened in Council meetings .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Disclaimer: I live in the Somerton and Frome constituency.
The East side (where I live) is part of the 21st century, The politics is mainly Lib Dem (the only mainstream UK progressive party- and no, I am not a member.
) The south-west side is deeply conservative and rural, and the local grandees have a huge sense of entitlement.
They think that they have a right to run things and nobody should be allowed to criticise them.
(They are also the area's Nimbys - they try to block industry or anything that will modernise the area and provide well-paid jobs for non-landowners.
)Now someone thinks they have the right to comment on Council decisions - and the toys get thrown out of the pram.This is not about bloggers.
It's about rural Conservatives finding their views called into question.
It would be exactly the same if it was a campaigning newspaper, or if the people in subsidised housing started a resident's group and sent someone to see what happened in Council meetings.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29946316</id>
	<title>Re:Can we get rid of the US Congress so easily?</title>
	<author>horza</author>
	<datestamp>1257087180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are mixing up bureaucracy and becoming a police state. In France around half the country is employed by the government. Where I live the rubbish is collected from my street every night, and they then wash the street afterwards (every single night). To do the simplest thing I know I have to take a day's holiday as I will inevitably be bounced between departments that will reside opposite ends of the city. If you are a civil servant in France you cannot get fired, no matter how incompetent you are, you get to retire early, and enjoy an awful lot of perks. The dream of most young French people is to one day become a civil servant. Yet in France people are now more free than in England. How things have changed in the past 20 years. I don't get cataloged like a prisoner on remand every time I enter and leave the country. I'm not on a surveillance camera everywhere I walk (except in Monaco, where there are an insane amount). There is no RIPA legislation. There aren't speed cameras everywhere, though they are starting to appear. It's become a more pleasant place to be.</p><p>The vindictive low-level councilors haven't changed in the past couple of decades, and I wouldn't surprised if half the stories you come across weren't caused by a vindictive neighbor lodging a complaint. Certainly mostly the cases I've seen. The alarming decline of your civil liberties is a far more pressing concern. If you haven't committed a crime and society does not need to be protected from you, then you should be able to travel where you want and when you want. You should be able to say whatever you want outside of slander and incitement that may cause harm. And you should have a right to privacy. These things are disappearing in the UK. Having visited eastern Europe, I can tell you boy are you going to miss them when they are gone.</p><p>Phillip.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are mixing up bureaucracy and becoming a police state .
In France around half the country is employed by the government .
Where I live the rubbish is collected from my street every night , and they then wash the street afterwards ( every single night ) .
To do the simplest thing I know I have to take a day 's holiday as I will inevitably be bounced between departments that will reside opposite ends of the city .
If you are a civil servant in France you can not get fired , no matter how incompetent you are , you get to retire early , and enjoy an awful lot of perks .
The dream of most young French people is to one day become a civil servant .
Yet in France people are now more free than in England .
How things have changed in the past 20 years .
I do n't get cataloged like a prisoner on remand every time I enter and leave the country .
I 'm not on a surveillance camera everywhere I walk ( except in Monaco , where there are an insane amount ) .
There is no RIPA legislation .
There are n't speed cameras everywhere , though they are starting to appear .
It 's become a more pleasant place to be.The vindictive low-level councilors have n't changed in the past couple of decades , and I would n't surprised if half the stories you come across were n't caused by a vindictive neighbor lodging a complaint .
Certainly mostly the cases I 've seen .
The alarming decline of your civil liberties is a far more pressing concern .
If you have n't committed a crime and society does not need to be protected from you , then you should be able to travel where you want and when you want .
You should be able to say whatever you want outside of slander and incitement that may cause harm .
And you should have a right to privacy .
These things are disappearing in the UK .
Having visited eastern Europe , I can tell you boy are you going to miss them when they are gone.Phillip .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are mixing up bureaucracy and becoming a police state.
In France around half the country is employed by the government.
Where I live the rubbish is collected from my street every night, and they then wash the street afterwards (every single night).
To do the simplest thing I know I have to take a day's holiday as I will inevitably be bounced between departments that will reside opposite ends of the city.
If you are a civil servant in France you cannot get fired, no matter how incompetent you are, you get to retire early, and enjoy an awful lot of perks.
The dream of most young French people is to one day become a civil servant.
Yet in France people are now more free than in England.
How things have changed in the past 20 years.
I don't get cataloged like a prisoner on remand every time I enter and leave the country.
I'm not on a surveillance camera everywhere I walk (except in Monaco, where there are an insane amount).
There is no RIPA legislation.
There aren't speed cameras everywhere, though they are starting to appear.
It's become a more pleasant place to be.The vindictive low-level councilors haven't changed in the past couple of decades, and I wouldn't surprised if half the stories you come across weren't caused by a vindictive neighbor lodging a complaint.
Certainly mostly the cases I've seen.
The alarming decline of your civil liberties is a far more pressing concern.
If you haven't committed a crime and society does not need to be protected from you, then you should be able to travel where you want and when you want.
You should be able to say whatever you want outside of slander and incitement that may cause harm.
And you should have a right to privacy.
These things are disappearing in the UK.
Having visited eastern Europe, I can tell you boy are you going to miss them when they are gone.Phillip.</sentencetext>
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	<title>It finally happened!</title>
	<author>Jurily</author>
	<datestamp>1257074460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bloggers are taking over the world!</p><p>Let's just hope xkcd will be the new president.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bloggers are taking over the world ! Let 's just hope xkcd will be the new president .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bloggers are taking over the world!Let's just hope xkcd will be the new president.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2058206.29941067</id>
	<title>Re:On the other hand, it's Somerton</title>
	<author>twostix</author>
	<datestamp>1257084420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Really...because from what I read (rather than what you postulate) of the story it appears that the council members were trying to push through various commercial and industrial ventures that would benefit themselves privately (wow very "21st century"!)  and the blogger was calling them out on it.</p><p>So it would be the blogger who was the "rural conservative" (apparently just about the worst person in the world in some areas of the Internet it would seem) and the council members who where in the "21st" century with their impropriety, open corruption, torching his car, etc...</p><p>Whats rather funny is how the reality appears to be completely the opposite that you claim it is, yet you're at +5 because you somehow make it sound like those nasty rural conservatives are the councilors and it's a cool twenty something urban dwelling blogger who's doing the good work to bring them down.  Certainly in my mind after reading your post I had the Councilors pegged as old white "rural conservative" fat cats.  A fantasy which suits the metro demographic of this site far better than the reality it would appear given the current moderation of your completely bullshit made up post.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Really...because from what I read ( rather than what you postulate ) of the story it appears that the council members were trying to push through various commercial and industrial ventures that would benefit themselves privately ( wow very " 21st century " !
) and the blogger was calling them out on it.So it would be the blogger who was the " rural conservative " ( apparently just about the worst person in the world in some areas of the Internet it would seem ) and the council members who where in the " 21st " century with their impropriety , open corruption , torching his car , etc...Whats rather funny is how the reality appears to be completely the opposite that you claim it is , yet you 're at + 5 because you somehow make it sound like those nasty rural conservatives are the councilors and it 's a cool twenty something urban dwelling blogger who 's doing the good work to bring them down .
Certainly in my mind after reading your post I had the Councilors pegged as old white " rural conservative " fat cats .
A fantasy which suits the metro demographic of this site far better than the reality it would appear given the current moderation of your completely bullshit made up post .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really...because from what I read (rather than what you postulate) of the story it appears that the council members were trying to push through various commercial and industrial ventures that would benefit themselves privately (wow very "21st century"!
)  and the blogger was calling them out on it.So it would be the blogger who was the "rural conservative" (apparently just about the worst person in the world in some areas of the Internet it would seem) and the council members who where in the "21st" century with their impropriety, open corruption, torching his car, etc...Whats rather funny is how the reality appears to be completely the opposite that you claim it is, yet you're at +5 because you somehow make it sound like those nasty rural conservatives are the councilors and it's a cool twenty something urban dwelling blogger who's doing the good work to bring them down.
Certainly in my mind after reading your post I had the Councilors pegged as old white "rural conservative" fat cats.
A fantasy which suits the metro demographic of this site far better than the reality it would appear given the current moderation of your completely bullshit made up post.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Seriously?</title>
	<author>user4574</author>
	<datestamp>1257081480000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Criticism from <i>one</i> blogger constitutes "impossible working conditions?" Really? I mean, <i>really</i>? If he calls them all doody heads, maybe he could get them to cry in public.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Criticism from one blogger constitutes " impossible working conditions ?
" Really ?
I mean , really ?
If he calls them all doody heads , maybe he could get them to cry in public .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Criticism from one blogger constitutes "impossible working conditions?
" Really?
I mean, really?
If he calls them all doody heads, maybe he could get them to cry in public.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re: Thats so not what its about</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257072540000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>You don't need to come from Somerton to have the right to an opinion about what goes on in Somerton.</p><p>However, I too live in Somerton and that is why I'm posting as another Anonymous Coward. It is true that it is a very rural town with lots of very conservative people living in it. I guess how normal one thinks that is depends on what you are used to. If you are used to living in a city then Somerton will appear to be a very strange place due to its lack of diversity. It has an unusually high proportion of elderly people and very few folks under the age of twenty-five.</p><p>I'm sure it won't be too long before we find out exactly what happened to prompt them all to resign. I get the feeling that they have been economical with the truth. Its a shame they were not so economical in spending our money on the Tin Dunny.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't need to come from Somerton to have the right to an opinion about what goes on in Somerton.However , I too live in Somerton and that is why I 'm posting as another Anonymous Coward .
It is true that it is a very rural town with lots of very conservative people living in it .
I guess how normal one thinks that is depends on what you are used to .
If you are used to living in a city then Somerton will appear to be a very strange place due to its lack of diversity .
It has an unusually high proportion of elderly people and very few folks under the age of twenty-five.I 'm sure it wo n't be too long before we find out exactly what happened to prompt them all to resign .
I get the feeling that they have been economical with the truth .
Its a shame they were not so economical in spending our money on the Tin Dunny .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't need to come from Somerton to have the right to an opinion about what goes on in Somerton.However, I too live in Somerton and that is why I'm posting as another Anonymous Coward.
It is true that it is a very rural town with lots of very conservative people living in it.
I guess how normal one thinks that is depends on what you are used to.
If you are used to living in a city then Somerton will appear to be a very strange place due to its lack of diversity.
It has an unusually high proportion of elderly people and very few folks under the age of twenty-five.I'm sure it won't be too long before we find out exactly what happened to prompt them all to resign.
I get the feeling that they have been economical with the truth.
Its a shame they were not so economical in spending our money on the Tin Dunny.</sentencetext>
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