<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_10_30_0021256</id>
	<title>Hulu Blocks International Access Via Witopia</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1256915100000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader notes, and excerpts from, an article at <em>PC Authority</em>:  <i>"It's human nature that people always want what they can't have &mdash; which is why there's so much interest around the world in accessing the US-only Hulu site. Hulu offers a range of television shows for streaming, including Family Guy, The Daily Show and House along with a few full length movies. ...  If you're outside the US, the easiest method for accessing Hulu that many people are discussing online, is using a US-based VPN, which tricks Hulu into thinking their computer is within the US. Initially Hulu started cracking down on free VPN services such as Hotspot Shield, but now it's <a href="http://www.pcauthority.com.au/News/159360,picking-the-perfect-home-entertainment-box-hulu-blocks-international-access-via-witopia.aspx">turned its attention to Witopia</a> &mdash; which costs $40 or $US60 per year but offers a faster, more secure and more reliable service than its free competitors. Initially Witopia's LA gateway remained unaffected, but now Hulu has blocked this as well."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader notes , and excerpts from , an article at PC Authority : " It 's human nature that people always want what they ca n't have    which is why there 's so much interest around the world in accessing the US-only Hulu site .
Hulu offers a range of television shows for streaming , including Family Guy , The Daily Show and House along with a few full length movies .
... If you 're outside the US , the easiest method for accessing Hulu that many people are discussing online , is using a US-based VPN , which tricks Hulu into thinking their computer is within the US .
Initially Hulu started cracking down on free VPN services such as Hotspot Shield , but now it 's turned its attention to Witopia    which costs $ 40 or $ US60 per year but offers a faster , more secure and more reliable service than its free competitors .
Initially Witopia 's LA gateway remained unaffected , but now Hulu has blocked this as well .
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<sentencetext>An anonymous reader notes, and excerpts from, an article at PC Authority:  "It's human nature that people always want what they can't have — which is why there's so much interest around the world in accessing the US-only Hulu site.
Hulu offers a range of television shows for streaming, including Family Guy, The Daily Show and House along with a few full length movies.
...  If you're outside the US, the easiest method for accessing Hulu that many people are discussing online, is using a US-based VPN, which tricks Hulu into thinking their computer is within the US.
Initially Hulu started cracking down on free VPN services such as Hotspot Shield, but now it's turned its attention to Witopia — which costs $40 or $US60 per year but offers a faster, more secure and more reliable service than its free competitors.
Initially Witopia's LA gateway remained unaffected, but now Hulu has blocked this as well.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920505</id>
	<title>Re:"But if you don't want our money, fine"</title>
	<author>Darkness404</author>
	<datestamp>1256836200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They can always use an international ad network. I don't see any other ad-supported site complain about foreign visitors. And the ones that do try to keep foreigners out (Such as Nico Nico) still let your register and view the site so long as you can manage to create an account in their language.<p><div class="quote"><p> So, Hulu and the content rights holders would have to come to advertising agreements in all of the other nations being catered to while at the same time, trying not to piss off the the broadcasters in those areas too much (after all, the syndicated content -does- appear on TV much later, once these smaller broadcasters can actually afford it - but what advertisers are -they- going to attract if everybody's already seen it for free via Hulu?)... so good luck with that.</p> </div><p>

But there are still many other shows that don't make it past American, European or Japanese shores at all. For example Family Guy is only broadcast in the US as far as I know and it has been broadcast since 1999, I think it is safe to say it won't be syndicated outside of the US anytime soon. Other shows are totally destroyed in "localization" most anime series are completely ruined when brought to American or European countries. There are many anime fans who would much rather watch the original with subtitles than with sub-par voice acting and many references, scenes or entire characters removed or changed. <br> <br>

Plus, look at how entire markets have been opened by people watching non-native TV. Anime and manga were virtually unknown to most people 15 years ago, but have since become household names. The internet and copyright infringement really opened up those markets. That never would have happened if all the sites were similar to Hulu.</p></div>
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<tokenext>They can always use an international ad network .
I do n't see any other ad-supported site complain about foreign visitors .
And the ones that do try to keep foreigners out ( Such as Nico Nico ) still let your register and view the site so long as you can manage to create an account in their language .
So , Hulu and the content rights holders would have to come to advertising agreements in all of the other nations being catered to while at the same time , trying not to piss off the the broadcasters in those areas too much ( after all , the syndicated content -does- appear on TV much later , once these smaller broadcasters can actually afford it - but what advertisers are -they- going to attract if everybody 's already seen it for free via Hulu ? ) .. .
so good luck with that .
But there are still many other shows that do n't make it past American , European or Japanese shores at all .
For example Family Guy is only broadcast in the US as far as I know and it has been broadcast since 1999 , I think it is safe to say it wo n't be syndicated outside of the US anytime soon .
Other shows are totally destroyed in " localization " most anime series are completely ruined when brought to American or European countries .
There are many anime fans who would much rather watch the original with subtitles than with sub-par voice acting and many references , scenes or entire characters removed or changed .
Plus , look at how entire markets have been opened by people watching non-native TV .
Anime and manga were virtually unknown to most people 15 years ago , but have since become household names .
The internet and copyright infringement really opened up those markets .
That never would have happened if all the sites were similar to Hulu .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They can always use an international ad network.
I don't see any other ad-supported site complain about foreign visitors.
And the ones that do try to keep foreigners out (Such as Nico Nico) still let your register and view the site so long as you can manage to create an account in their language.
So, Hulu and the content rights holders would have to come to advertising agreements in all of the other nations being catered to while at the same time, trying not to piss off the the broadcasters in those areas too much (after all, the syndicated content -does- appear on TV much later, once these smaller broadcasters can actually afford it - but what advertisers are -they- going to attract if everybody's already seen it for free via Hulu?)...
so good luck with that.
But there are still many other shows that don't make it past American, European or Japanese shores at all.
For example Family Guy is only broadcast in the US as far as I know and it has been broadcast since 1999, I think it is safe to say it won't be syndicated outside of the US anytime soon.
Other shows are totally destroyed in "localization" most anime series are completely ruined when brought to American or European countries.
There are many anime fans who would much rather watch the original with subtitles than with sub-par voice acting and many references, scenes or entire characters removed or changed.
Plus, look at how entire markets have been opened by people watching non-native TV.
Anime and manga were virtually unknown to most people 15 years ago, but have since become household names.
The internet and copyright infringement really opened up those markets.
That never would have happened if all the sites were similar to Hulu.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920341</id>
	<title>"But if you don't want our money, fine"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256834280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>err... what money?<br>I thought Hulu was ad-supported?</p><p>And what American advertiser is going to want to place ads for videos that are seen in countries where they may not even have an establishment?<br>Even those that do - say, McDonald's - can't exactly advertise a burger that they're offering nation-wide in the U.S. for a particular price in another country where that product is not available, or is available but for a different price.</p><p>So, Hulu and the content rights holders would have to come to advertising agreements in all of the other nations being catered to while at the same time, trying not to piss off the the broadcasters in those areas too much (after all, the syndicated content -does- appear on TV much later, once these smaller broadcasters can actually afford it - but what advertisers are -they- going to attract if everybody's already seen it for free via Hulu?)... so good luck with that.</p><p>And if they -did- start charging cold hard cash... well, I guess one could claim iTunes as being highly successful, so if they did it well, it might even work.  In due time, I suppose.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>err... what money ? I thought Hulu was ad-supported ? And what American advertiser is going to want to place ads for videos that are seen in countries where they may not even have an establishment ? Even those that do - say , McDonald 's - ca n't exactly advertise a burger that they 're offering nation-wide in the U.S. for a particular price in another country where that product is not available , or is available but for a different price.So , Hulu and the content rights holders would have to come to advertising agreements in all of the other nations being catered to while at the same time , trying not to piss off the the broadcasters in those areas too much ( after all , the syndicated content -does- appear on TV much later , once these smaller broadcasters can actually afford it - but what advertisers are -they- going to attract if everybody 's already seen it for free via Hulu ? ) .. .
so good luck with that.And if they -did- start charging cold hard cash... well , I guess one could claim iTunes as being highly successful , so if they did it well , it might even work .
In due time , I suppose .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>err... what money?I thought Hulu was ad-supported?And what American advertiser is going to want to place ads for videos that are seen in countries where they may not even have an establishment?Even those that do - say, McDonald's - can't exactly advertise a burger that they're offering nation-wide in the U.S. for a particular price in another country where that product is not available, or is available but for a different price.So, Hulu and the content rights holders would have to come to advertising agreements in all of the other nations being catered to while at the same time, trying not to piss off the the broadcasters in those areas too much (after all, the syndicated content -does- appear on TV much later, once these smaller broadcasters can actually afford it - but what advertisers are -they- going to attract if everybody's already seen it for free via Hulu?)...
so good luck with that.And if they -did- start charging cold hard cash... well, I guess one could claim iTunes as being highly successful, so if they did it well, it might even work.
In due time, I suppose.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29921405</id>
	<title>Effin ridiculous</title>
	<author>consonant</author>
	<datestamp>1256893560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I see all these comments saying "But Hulu shows only American adverts!!11".<br> <br>
If Hulu can determine so easily where you're coming from, how hard would it be for them to do some analytics on viewership for a particular show and tailor the ad prices accordingly? Additionally, how are these ads served up? Are they transcoded into the video being viewed? If not, dynamically change the ads being displayed to the user based on his/her region.<br> <br>
Win-win-win-win. Hulu gets more money from global advertisers. More companies get to shove their ads into what has become fairly hot online real estate. Global viewers get access to shows they otherwise would have to get from (what is considered) shady sources. And the show-makers/'content providers' make more money (not sure of this though - do they make money from Hulu views?)<br> <br>
Am I missing something obvious here? Is there a reason this is so hard it hasn't been done yet?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I see all these comments saying " But Hulu shows only American adverts ! ! 11 " .
If Hulu can determine so easily where you 're coming from , how hard would it be for them to do some analytics on viewership for a particular show and tailor the ad prices accordingly ?
Additionally , how are these ads served up ?
Are they transcoded into the video being viewed ?
If not , dynamically change the ads being displayed to the user based on his/her region .
Win-win-win-win. Hulu gets more money from global advertisers .
More companies get to shove their ads into what has become fairly hot online real estate .
Global viewers get access to shows they otherwise would have to get from ( what is considered ) shady sources .
And the show-makers/'content providers ' make more money ( not sure of this though - do they make money from Hulu views ?
) Am I missing something obvious here ?
Is there a reason this is so hard it has n't been done yet ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I see all these comments saying "But Hulu shows only American adverts!!11".
If Hulu can determine so easily where you're coming from, how hard would it be for them to do some analytics on viewership for a particular show and tailor the ad prices accordingly?
Additionally, how are these ads served up?
Are they transcoded into the video being viewed?
If not, dynamically change the ads being displayed to the user based on his/her region.
Win-win-win-win. Hulu gets more money from global advertisers.
More companies get to shove their ads into what has become fairly hot online real estate.
Global viewers get access to shows they otherwise would have to get from (what is considered) shady sources.
And the show-makers/'content providers' make more money (not sure of this though - do they make money from Hulu views?
) 
Am I missing something obvious here?
Is there a reason this is so hard it hasn't been done yet?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920187</id>
	<title>First</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256832480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>first</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>first</tokentext>
<sentencetext>first</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29922159</id>
	<title>Re:"But if you don't want our money, fine"</title>
	<author>daybot</author>
	<datestamp>1256905980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And what American advertiser is going to want to place ads for videos that are seen in countries where they may not even have an establishment?</p></div><p>There's a huge opportunity being missed here - international targeted ads based on your locality using <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geolocation\_software" title="wikipedia.org">IP geolocation</a> [wikipedia.org]. McDonald's could pay megabucks for generic worldwide ads, while Tony's Steak House could pay a few thousand dollars for highly targeted ads in Rochester MN. That would really throw the Internet cat amongst the TV network pigeons.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And what American advertiser is going to want to place ads for videos that are seen in countries where they may not even have an establishment ? There 's a huge opportunity being missed here - international targeted ads based on your locality using IP geolocation [ wikipedia.org ] .
McDonald 's could pay megabucks for generic worldwide ads , while Tony 's Steak House could pay a few thousand dollars for highly targeted ads in Rochester MN .
That would really throw the Internet cat amongst the TV network pigeons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And what American advertiser is going to want to place ads for videos that are seen in countries where they may not even have an establishment?There's a huge opportunity being missed here - international targeted ads based on your locality using IP geolocation [wikipedia.org].
McDonald's could pay megabucks for generic worldwide ads, while Tony's Steak House could pay a few thousand dollars for highly targeted ads in Rochester MN.
That would really throw the Internet cat amongst the TV network pigeons.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29921517</id>
	<title>Re:Dear content producers...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256895360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First, globalisation is only supposed to work for multi-nationals. Why do you think governments are so happy to impose massive restrictions on its citizens to prevent them from buying abroad?</p><p>Second, this is globalisation<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... for them. They only show it in the US because they want to sell exclusive rights to other local distributors, e.g. TV companies in Europe.</p><p>The only way globalisation works for us is by copying stuff. I pretty much gave up buying games online because all stores have more country restrictions than ever. There are only few new games left you can actually buy outside the US as digital downloads (and I refuse to pay 300-500\% for a horribly localised and censored German version).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First , globalisation is only supposed to work for multi-nationals .
Why do you think governments are so happy to impose massive restrictions on its citizens to prevent them from buying abroad ? Second , this is globalisation ... for them .
They only show it in the US because they want to sell exclusive rights to other local distributors , e.g .
TV companies in Europe.The only way globalisation works for us is by copying stuff .
I pretty much gave up buying games online because all stores have more country restrictions than ever .
There are only few new games left you can actually buy outside the US as digital downloads ( and I refuse to pay 300-500 \ % for a horribly localised and censored German version ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First, globalisation is only supposed to work for multi-nationals.
Why do you think governments are so happy to impose massive restrictions on its citizens to prevent them from buying abroad?Second, this is globalisation ... for them.
They only show it in the US because they want to sell exclusive rights to other local distributors, e.g.
TV companies in Europe.The only way globalisation works for us is by copying stuff.
I pretty much gave up buying games online because all stores have more country restrictions than ever.
There are only few new games left you can actually buy outside the US as digital downloads (and I refuse to pay 300-500\% for a horribly localised and censored German version).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920335</id>
	<title>Re:Dear content producers...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256834160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You'd think that for a good slice of that $40-$60/mo they'd be willing to offer them a subscription of some sort. Especially if they've been complaining that "the purely free-content business model is unsustainable".</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 'd think that for a good slice of that $ 40- $ 60/mo they 'd be willing to offer them a subscription of some sort .
Especially if they 've been complaining that " the purely free-content business model is unsustainable " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You'd think that for a good slice of that $40-$60/mo they'd be willing to offer them a subscription of some sort.
Especially if they've been complaining that "the purely free-content business model is unsustainable".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920565</id>
	<title>Re:"But if you don't want our money, fine"</title>
	<author>tomhudson</author>
	<datestamp>1256836740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Even those that do - say, McDonald's - can't exactly advertise a burger that they're offering nation-wide in the U.S. for a particular price in another country where that product is not available, or is available but for a different price.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Geolocation via IP - serve up different ads based on the viewers' geographical location.  It's done all the time, along with time-of-day, so that you can target your ads to the viewers you want.  Spamvertisers with their affiliate advertising do it all the time, why can't Hulu?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even those that do - say , McDonald 's - ca n't exactly advertise a burger that they 're offering nation-wide in the U.S. for a particular price in another country where that product is not available , or is available but for a different price .
Geolocation via IP - serve up different ads based on the viewers ' geographical location .
It 's done all the time , along with time-of-day , so that you can target your ads to the viewers you want .
Spamvertisers with their affiliate advertising do it all the time , why ca n't Hulu ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even those that do - say, McDonald's - can't exactly advertise a burger that they're offering nation-wide in the U.S. for a particular price in another country where that product is not available, or is available but for a different price.
Geolocation via IP - serve up different ads based on the viewers' geographical location.
It's done all the time, along with time-of-day, so that you can target your ads to the viewers you want.
Spamvertisers with their affiliate advertising do it all the time, why can't Hulu?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920993</id>
	<title>Re:"But if you don't want our money, fine"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256843760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>err... what money?<br>I thought Hulu was ad-supported?</p><p>And what American advertiser is going to want to place ads for videos that are seen in countries where they may not even have an establishment?</p></div><p>Because increasing your global coverage decreases your local coverage? Its not like adding international viewer in to the mix is going to reduce the numbers of domestic viewers is it? And there are plenty of companies that would happily pay for a global advert. I get banner adds all the time for US only products or US only services, why should video ads be any different?</p><p>I would also think Hulu could use the opportunity to build a customer base to allow it to start offering localized advertising. Getting a lot of viewers from the UK? Great, open an office there and start selling advertising space to UK companies.. Japan viewers up this month? Discount advertising for Japanese companies for this month only!</p><p>Cutting off 90\% of the worlds viewers is also cutting off 90\% of your revenue stream..</p></div>
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<tokenext>err... what money ? I thought Hulu was ad-supported ? And what American advertiser is going to want to place ads for videos that are seen in countries where they may not even have an establishment ? Because increasing your global coverage decreases your local coverage ?
Its not like adding international viewer in to the mix is going to reduce the numbers of domestic viewers is it ?
And there are plenty of companies that would happily pay for a global advert .
I get banner adds all the time for US only products or US only services , why should video ads be any different ? I would also think Hulu could use the opportunity to build a customer base to allow it to start offering localized advertising .
Getting a lot of viewers from the UK ?
Great , open an office there and start selling advertising space to UK companies.. Japan viewers up this month ?
Discount advertising for Japanese companies for this month only ! Cutting off 90 \ % of the worlds viewers is also cutting off 90 \ % of your revenue stream. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>err... what money?I thought Hulu was ad-supported?And what American advertiser is going to want to place ads for videos that are seen in countries where they may not even have an establishment?Because increasing your global coverage decreases your local coverage?
Its not like adding international viewer in to the mix is going to reduce the numbers of domestic viewers is it?
And there are plenty of companies that would happily pay for a global advert.
I get banner adds all the time for US only products or US only services, why should video ads be any different?I would also think Hulu could use the opportunity to build a customer base to allow it to start offering localized advertising.
Getting a lot of viewers from the UK?
Great, open an office there and start selling advertising space to UK companies.. Japan viewers up this month?
Discount advertising for Japanese companies for this month only!Cutting off 90\% of the worlds viewers is also cutting off 90\% of your revenue stream..
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920773</id>
	<title>OpenVPN is your friend</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256839740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For $19 a month I can get a virtual private server at any number of hosting services in the US.</p><p>Then, I install and configure OpenVPN on it.</p><p>Voila. My own private VPN that I can use to get to Hulu, and they aren't likely to block it since I'd be the only one using that particular IP address.</p><p>A little Linux/Unix knowledge goes a looooong way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For $ 19 a month I can get a virtual private server at any number of hosting services in the US.Then , I install and configure OpenVPN on it.Voila .
My own private VPN that I can use to get to Hulu , and they are n't likely to block it since I 'd be the only one using that particular IP address.A little Linux/Unix knowledge goes a looooong way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For $19 a month I can get a virtual private server at any number of hosting services in the US.Then, I install and configure OpenVPN on it.Voila.
My own private VPN that I can use to get to Hulu, and they aren't likely to block it since I'd be the only one using that particular IP address.A little Linux/Unix knowledge goes a looooong way.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29922019</id>
	<title>Re:"But if you don't want our money, fine"</title>
	<author>crossmr</author>
	<datestamp>1256903700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Canadians routinely see ads on their cable channels for businesses and products that are unavailable, a different price, or possibly illegal. It doesn't seem to bother those american advertisers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Canadians routinely see ads on their cable channels for businesses and products that are unavailable , a different price , or possibly illegal .
It does n't seem to bother those american advertisers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Canadians routinely see ads on their cable channels for businesses and products that are unavailable, a different price, or possibly illegal.
It doesn't seem to bother those american advertisers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29933531</id>
	<title>This is why piracy will never go away</title>
	<author>thetoadwarrior</author>
	<datestamp>1256994720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you exclude content from people they will still get it and while those you have excluded it from are downloading it then some people will access will opt to obtain it illegally since so many people are doing it.
<br> <br>
They need to get rid of all those old dinosaurs running these media companies.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you exclude content from people they will still get it and while those you have excluded it from are downloading it then some people will access will opt to obtain it illegally since so many people are doing it .
They need to get rid of all those old dinosaurs running these media companies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you exclude content from people they will still get it and while those you have excluded it from are downloading it then some people will access will opt to obtain it illegally since so many people are doing it.
They need to get rid of all those old dinosaurs running these media companies.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920919</id>
	<title>There are other VPNs that work...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256842560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm watching eposide 6 of The Amazing Race right now, via Hulu, sitting in my apartment in Shanghai, China.  No problem at all.  And I watched a movie last night via Netflix as well.  There are lots of VPNs - commercial and free - that work really, really well...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm watching eposide 6 of The Amazing Race right now , via Hulu , sitting in my apartment in Shanghai , China .
No problem at all .
And I watched a movie last night via Netflix as well .
There are lots of VPNs - commercial and free - that work really , really well.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm watching eposide 6 of The Amazing Race right now, via Hulu, sitting in my apartment in Shanghai, China.
No problem at all.
And I watched a movie last night via Netflix as well.
There are lots of VPNs - commercial and free - that work really, really well...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29922787</id>
	<title>Re:More complex than that</title>
	<author>Yvanhoe</author>
	<datestamp>1256912220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You know, there are no French versions of slashdot and yet it is still perfectly legal to watch in France...<br>
I think Hulu is doing it wrong : if the content you serve depend on the asker's IP address location, you are not really providing an internet service. It reminds me of the AOL era where some services were reserved for the AOL consumers. I can only say that I feel really cheated by this kind of behavior. It is a kind of discrimination. <br> <br>
More than the dubbing issue, discrimination on national origin could be a bigger point here. I suppose you have heard about Dutch coffee-shops where marijuana can legally be bought ? They attracted a lot of foreigner tourists up to a point where a legislation was discussed to forbid coffee-shops to foreigners. It was ruled illegal by a European Court. Here we have a service that says "hmmm, sorry, you are not from US, you do not deserve our service. No, it doesn't obey to a technical constraint, in fact it took more work to block you than it would to let you in.". I hope Hulu does not plan to make money in Europe, because I can smell some trials coming.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You know , there are no French versions of slashdot and yet it is still perfectly legal to watch in France.. . I think Hulu is doing it wrong : if the content you serve depend on the asker 's IP address location , you are not really providing an internet service .
It reminds me of the AOL era where some services were reserved for the AOL consumers .
I can only say that I feel really cheated by this kind of behavior .
It is a kind of discrimination .
More than the dubbing issue , discrimination on national origin could be a bigger point here .
I suppose you have heard about Dutch coffee-shops where marijuana can legally be bought ?
They attracted a lot of foreigner tourists up to a point where a legislation was discussed to forbid coffee-shops to foreigners .
It was ruled illegal by a European Court .
Here we have a service that says " hmmm , sorry , you are not from US , you do not deserve our service .
No , it does n't obey to a technical constraint , in fact it took more work to block you than it would to let you in. " .
I hope Hulu does not plan to make money in Europe , because I can smell some trials coming .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know, there are no French versions of slashdot and yet it is still perfectly legal to watch in France...
I think Hulu is doing it wrong : if the content you serve depend on the asker's IP address location, you are not really providing an internet service.
It reminds me of the AOL era where some services were reserved for the AOL consumers.
I can only say that I feel really cheated by this kind of behavior.
It is a kind of discrimination.
More than the dubbing issue, discrimination on national origin could be a bigger point here.
I suppose you have heard about Dutch coffee-shops where marijuana can legally be bought ?
They attracted a lot of foreigner tourists up to a point where a legislation was discussed to forbid coffee-shops to foreigners.
It was ruled illegal by a European Court.
Here we have a service that says "hmmm, sorry, you are not from US, you do not deserve our service.
No, it doesn't obey to a technical constraint, in fact it took more work to block you than it would to let you in.".
I hope Hulu does not plan to make money in Europe, because I can smell some trials coming.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920609</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29922419</id>
	<title>Cheer up, foreigners</title>
	<author>Legion303</author>
	<datestamp>1256909340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Giganews doesn't discriminate against you based on what country you're in (even on suspicion, like hulu is doing). Even better, you can get your TV shows without the forced advertising.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Giganews does n't discriminate against you based on what country you 're in ( even on suspicion , like hulu is doing ) .
Even better , you can get your TV shows without the forced advertising .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Giganews doesn't discriminate against you based on what country you're in (even on suspicion, like hulu is doing).
Even better, you can get your TV shows without the forced advertising.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29928429</id>
	<title>Re:SOCKS proxy to USA VPS doesn't work for me</title>
	<author>Tripster</author>
	<datestamp>1256894760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Install OpenVPN and use that instead, it works. I tried getting the SSH method working but was never able to get it to go, yes it worked for many other US based services but not for Hulu. In the end I just installed OpenVPN on the server and the client on my home machine(s) and now I can watch Hulu just fine.</p><p>From what I've gathered when you try and use the SSH proxy method in the browser the Flash player just continues to use the direct method. Using OpenVPN your entire network connection goes via the VPN so then it works fine.</p><p>I installed Playon on a Windows machine and when using the VPN I can now watch Hulu on my PS3 as well, saves me firing up the HTPC.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Install OpenVPN and use that instead , it works .
I tried getting the SSH method working but was never able to get it to go , yes it worked for many other US based services but not for Hulu .
In the end I just installed OpenVPN on the server and the client on my home machine ( s ) and now I can watch Hulu just fine.From what I 've gathered when you try and use the SSH proxy method in the browser the Flash player just continues to use the direct method .
Using OpenVPN your entire network connection goes via the VPN so then it works fine.I installed Playon on a Windows machine and when using the VPN I can now watch Hulu on my PS3 as well , saves me firing up the HTPC .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Install OpenVPN and use that instead, it works.
I tried getting the SSH method working but was never able to get it to go, yes it worked for many other US based services but not for Hulu.
In the end I just installed OpenVPN on the server and the client on my home machine(s) and now I can watch Hulu just fine.From what I've gathered when you try and use the SSH proxy method in the browser the Flash player just continues to use the direct method.
Using OpenVPN your entire network connection goes via the VPN so then it works fine.I installed Playon on a Windows machine and when using the VPN I can now watch Hulu on my PS3 as well, saves me firing up the HTPC.
:)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920985</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29926505</id>
	<title>REGION CODING</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256929080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>By another name still spells TYRANNY...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>By another name still spells TYRANNY.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By another name still spells TYRANNY...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920465</id>
	<title>Re:Dear content producers...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256835840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't understand how "region coding" and "region blocking" has survived this long.  It is *inherently* anti-globalization and is probably the poster child example of how "globalization" is really a crock of shit designed only to benefit multi-national corporations and NOT the consumer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't understand how " region coding " and " region blocking " has survived this long .
It is * inherently * anti-globalization and is probably the poster child example of how " globalization " is really a crock of shit designed only to benefit multi-national corporations and NOT the consumer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't understand how "region coding" and "region blocking" has survived this long.
It is *inherently* anti-globalization and is probably the poster child example of how "globalization" is really a crock of shit designed only to benefit multi-national corporations and NOT the consumer.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920237</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920623</id>
	<title>Very stupid!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256837340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>
I actually was thinking about getting witopia exactly for this reason (I travel a lot).

How difficult is it to insert country based advertisement based on the accessing IP?
Not very difficult. But these guys seem to prefer to loose business to torrent.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I actually was thinking about getting witopia exactly for this reason ( I travel a lot ) .
How difficult is it to insert country based advertisement based on the accessing IP ?
Not very difficult .
But these guys seem to prefer to loose business to torrent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
I actually was thinking about getting witopia exactly for this reason (I travel a lot).
How difficult is it to insert country based advertisement based on the accessing IP?
Not very difficult.
But these guys seem to prefer to loose business to torrent.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29921117</id>
	<title>European Networks = stupid</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256845200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>European content provider are idiots. This is the main issue here.<br>Take Germany. The TV networks ignore the fact that many people want to watch the shows with their original, english audio. This is not possible - you have to bear the stupid German syncs.<br>Monitoring the filesharing/rapidshare networks, shows like "Glee" are exceptionally popular right now, yes the networks actually monitor the sharing networks - so much that it's even a four page article in the largest economic magazine last week.</p><p>How much does it take for them to get the message?</p><p>Take Ebooks. No one here has understood that customers simply will not buy DRM ridden media. European publishers ignore this fact.<br>HDTV via Cable? Haha not in Europe, buddy (mostly)<br>Stupid DRM all over the board? yep<br>Most pirating in the world? Right here<br>boy, I wonder how...</p><p>I know a lot of people that use Hulu via VPN. Honestly, it's exactly what I want as a customer.</p><p>Why are European networks unable to deliver?<br>I mean, they can even save money not doing their retarded syncs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>European content provider are idiots .
This is the main issue here.Take Germany .
The TV networks ignore the fact that many people want to watch the shows with their original , english audio .
This is not possible - you have to bear the stupid German syncs.Monitoring the filesharing/rapidshare networks , shows like " Glee " are exceptionally popular right now , yes the networks actually monitor the sharing networks - so much that it 's even a four page article in the largest economic magazine last week.How much does it take for them to get the message ? Take Ebooks .
No one here has understood that customers simply will not buy DRM ridden media .
European publishers ignore this fact.HDTV via Cable ?
Haha not in Europe , buddy ( mostly ) Stupid DRM all over the board ?
yepMost pirating in the world ?
Right hereboy , I wonder how...I know a lot of people that use Hulu via VPN .
Honestly , it 's exactly what I want as a customer.Why are European networks unable to deliver ? I mean , they can even save money not doing their retarded syncs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>European content provider are idiots.
This is the main issue here.Take Germany.
The TV networks ignore the fact that many people want to watch the shows with their original, english audio.
This is not possible - you have to bear the stupid German syncs.Monitoring the filesharing/rapidshare networks, shows like "Glee" are exceptionally popular right now, yes the networks actually monitor the sharing networks - so much that it's even a four page article in the largest economic magazine last week.How much does it take for them to get the message?Take Ebooks.
No one here has understood that customers simply will not buy DRM ridden media.
European publishers ignore this fact.HDTV via Cable?
Haha not in Europe, buddy (mostly)Stupid DRM all over the board?
yepMost pirating in the world?
Right hereboy, I wonder how...I know a lot of people that use Hulu via VPN.
Honestly, it's exactly what I want as a customer.Why are European networks unable to deliver?I mean, they can even save money not doing their retarded syncs.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29922205</id>
	<title>Re:"But if you don't want our money, fine"</title>
	<author>commodore64\_love</author>
	<datestamp>1256906460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apparently Stormwatch didn't read the message he quoted.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apparently Stormwatch did n't read the message he quoted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apparently Stormwatch didn't read the message he quoted.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29921199</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29923535</id>
	<title>Re:"But if you don't want our money, fine"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256916600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And yet when I watch tv here in the states I see ads for Nationwide, All-State, etc. urging me to switch my homeowners insurance to them. Funny thing is they pulled out of my state and refuse to write new policies. Yet they keep paying for advertising in my market for a product I cannot have. I see ads for fast food chains we don't have down here too occasionally. If it doesn't bother them to advertise products I cannot buy in the states why should it bother them to do it outside the states too?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And yet when I watch tv here in the states I see ads for Nationwide , All-State , etc .
urging me to switch my homeowners insurance to them .
Funny thing is they pulled out of my state and refuse to write new policies .
Yet they keep paying for advertising in my market for a product I can not have .
I see ads for fast food chains we do n't have down here too occasionally .
If it does n't bother them to advertise products I can not buy in the states why should it bother them to do it outside the states too ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And yet when I watch tv here in the states I see ads for Nationwide, All-State, etc.
urging me to switch my homeowners insurance to them.
Funny thing is they pulled out of my state and refuse to write new policies.
Yet they keep paying for advertising in my market for a product I cannot have.
I see ads for fast food chains we don't have down here too occasionally.
If it doesn't bother them to advertise products I cannot buy in the states why should it bother them to do it outside the states too?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920341</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29925379</id>
	<title>This is the reason why I pirate everything</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256923800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Im not in the US and the TV shows that I want to watch are not realeased here in any way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Im not in the US and the TV shows that I want to watch are not realeased here in any way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Im not in the US and the TV shows that I want to watch are not realeased here in any way.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29922507</id>
	<title>Re:"But if you don't want our money, fine"</title>
	<author>cayenne8</author>
	<datestamp>1256910240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>"O rly? Well, I'd rather watch the original with subtitles than even the most competent dub. That goes for animation, TV shows, movies, and games: the original voice acting must absolutely NOT be changed in localization, be it English, Japanese, Russian, Swahili, Elvish, Klingon, Pig Latin, or Swedish Chef!"</i> <p>
Hell, I'm an American, and I'd give almost anything if "I" could get some of our content dubbed in Swedish Chef!!!</p><p>
Hell, that might even make watching Keith Olbermann (MSNBC) entertaining...or at least watchable...</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" O rly ?
Well , I 'd rather watch the original with subtitles than even the most competent dub .
That goes for animation , TV shows , movies , and games : the original voice acting must absolutely NOT be changed in localization , be it English , Japanese , Russian , Swahili , Elvish , Klingon , Pig Latin , or Swedish Chef !
" Hell , I 'm an American , and I 'd give almost anything if " I " could get some of our content dubbed in Swedish Chef ! ! !
Hell , that might even make watching Keith Olbermann ( MSNBC ) entertaining...or at least watchable... : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"O rly?
Well, I'd rather watch the original with subtitles than even the most competent dub.
That goes for animation, TV shows, movies, and games: the original voice acting must absolutely NOT be changed in localization, be it English, Japanese, Russian, Swahili, Elvish, Klingon, Pig Latin, or Swedish Chef!
" 
Hell, I'm an American, and I'd give almost anything if "I" could get some of our content dubbed in Swedish Chef!!!
Hell, that might even make watching Keith Olbermann (MSNBC) entertaining...or at least watchable... :)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29922457</id>
	<title>Re:Dear content producers...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256909760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yup.  And yet, almost every major website with advertising has figured out a way to deliver ads that are not only localized, but also, and even better, targeted based on my browsing habits.

If content distributors would take a moment to step into this century, they would realize that they don't have to license the content locally.  All they need to do is to get local advertisers to *come to them* and then distribute the ads appropriately based on IP.  They've already figured out how to *block* us geographically based on IP<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... but, content distributors always seem good with technology when it comes to *pissing off* their customers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yup .
And yet , almost every major website with advertising has figured out a way to deliver ads that are not only localized , but also , and even better , targeted based on my browsing habits .
If content distributors would take a moment to step into this century , they would realize that they do n't have to license the content locally .
All they need to do is to get local advertisers to * come to them * and then distribute the ads appropriately based on IP .
They 've already figured out how to * block * us geographically based on IP ... but , content distributors always seem good with technology when it comes to * pissing off * their customers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yup.
And yet, almost every major website with advertising has figured out a way to deliver ads that are not only localized, but also, and even better, targeted based on my browsing habits.
If content distributors would take a moment to step into this century, they would realize that they don't have to license the content locally.
All they need to do is to get local advertisers to *come to them* and then distribute the ads appropriately based on IP.
They've already figured out how to *block* us geographically based on IP ... but, content distributors always seem good with technology when it comes to *pissing off* their customers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920279</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29924273</id>
	<title>Re:"But if you don't want our money, fine"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256919720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well I've been watching Family Guy on Portuguese TV since 2001 or something...</p><p>Maybe it's just some kind of hallucination...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well I 've been watching Family Guy on Portuguese TV since 2001 or something...Maybe it 's just some kind of hallucination.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well I've been watching Family Guy on Portuguese TV since 2001 or something...Maybe it's just some kind of hallucination...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920505</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920851</id>
	<title>Re:remote squid proxy</title>
	<author>jroysdon</author>
	<datestamp>1256841120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem is they've got Flash going direct.  If I use Squid and block all other internet access other than Squid, I see direct access trying to go from my PC to Akamia where Lulu is streaming content.  I think the real hack would be to use iptables to redirect all internet access to the Squid proxy, no matter what Flash wants to do, and further have Squid hide that it is Squid/proxying.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is they 've got Flash going direct .
If I use Squid and block all other internet access other than Squid , I see direct access trying to go from my PC to Akamia where Lulu is streaming content .
I think the real hack would be to use iptables to redirect all internet access to the Squid proxy , no matter what Flash wants to do , and further have Squid hide that it is Squid/proxying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is they've got Flash going direct.
If I use Squid and block all other internet access other than Squid, I see direct access trying to go from my PC to Akamia where Lulu is streaming content.
I think the real hack would be to use iptables to redirect all internet access to the Squid proxy, no matter what Flash wants to do, and further have Squid hide that it is Squid/proxying.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920725</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920719</id>
	<title>Foreign IP address ad's could simply be</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256838660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>US tourism ad's. You tell me Vegas, NYC and other cities wouldn't want to place inexpensive ad's to foreign nationals? I've been Romania, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Germany, etc. etc. and have enjoyed McDonalds, Snickers, Coke, Pepsi, Subway, KFC, Nestle's in all of these places not to mention Apple, HP, Canon, Nikon, etc. There are plenty of products/brands for them to sell ads too. Come on Hulu get on with it and start allowing overseas IP addresses to access.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>US tourism ad 's .
You tell me Vegas , NYC and other cities would n't want to place inexpensive ad 's to foreign nationals ?
I 've been Romania , Slovakia , Czech Republic , Germany , etc .
etc. and have enjoyed McDonalds , Snickers , Coke , Pepsi , Subway , KFC , Nestle 's in all of these places not to mention Apple , HP , Canon , Nikon , etc .
There are plenty of products/brands for them to sell ads too .
Come on Hulu get on with it and start allowing overseas IP addresses to access .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>US tourism ad's.
You tell me Vegas, NYC and other cities wouldn't want to place inexpensive ad's to foreign nationals?
I've been Romania, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Germany, etc.
etc. and have enjoyed McDonalds, Snickers, Coke, Pepsi, Subway, KFC, Nestle's in all of these places not to mention Apple, HP, Canon, Nikon, etc.
There are plenty of products/brands for them to sell ads too.
Come on Hulu get on with it and start allowing overseas IP addresses to access.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920581</id>
	<title>Re:Dear content producers...</title>
	<author>TheModelEskimo</author>
	<datestamp>1256836860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Tell ya what. You're so interested in global content, but we've got all these political hoops we have to go through to make that work. Every last little country has its own media industry and they want things their own way.<br> <br>But now, here's my proposal: We, the media, will give you global media - your way, anywhere. Now you - you just have to sign on the dotted line here, that says "I the undersigned, agree to a global governing body"...that's right, good. Now, see? We were going this way all along. And you and me, we both benefit this way!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Tell ya what .
You 're so interested in global content , but we 've got all these political hoops we have to go through to make that work .
Every last little country has its own media industry and they want things their own way .
But now , here 's my proposal : We , the media , will give you global media - your way , anywhere .
Now you - you just have to sign on the dotted line here , that says " I the undersigned , agree to a global governing body " ...that 's right , good .
Now , see ?
We were going this way all along .
And you and me , we both benefit this way !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tell ya what.
You're so interested in global content, but we've got all these political hoops we have to go through to make that work.
Every last little country has its own media industry and they want things their own way.
But now, here's my proposal: We, the media, will give you global media - your way, anywhere.
Now you - you just have to sign on the dotted line here, that says "I the undersigned, agree to a global governing body"...that's right, good.
Now, see?
We were going this way all along.
And you and me, we both benefit this way!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920767</id>
	<title>Re:"But if you don't want our money, fine"</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1256839680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... they could just use the same geolocation they use to block IPs outside the US to serve location aware advertising.  Don't serve the US add to China.  Amazon would probably be more than happy to have its ads served in China though.</p><p>They are already using the tech, wouldn't take much effort to support it really.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or ... they could just use the same geolocation they use to block IPs outside the US to serve location aware advertising .
Do n't serve the US add to China .
Amazon would probably be more than happy to have its ads served in China though.They are already using the tech , would n't take much effort to support it really .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or ... they could just use the same geolocation they use to block IPs outside the US to serve location aware advertising.
Don't serve the US add to China.
Amazon would probably be more than happy to have its ads served in China though.They are already using the tech, wouldn't take much effort to support it really.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920987</id>
	<title>Re:"But if you don't want our money, fine"</title>
	<author>physicsphairy</author>
	<datestamp>1256843700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's at least as easy for Hulu to deliver different ads to different countries as it is to block people from those countries and hunt down their US proxies, etc.

</p><p>Some businesses like McDonalds may have a presence that allows running many customized ads (and as it is unlikely they have setup a presence without advertising it there does not need to be much if any cost creating new adds).  Otherwise you can contract with someone local there who is selling web advertising--if they are selling it at all then presumably there is a price at which they will be only too happy to include you in their schemes.

</p><p>If the margins are too small then you just increase the number of ad intervals.

</p><p>Yes at some point that will drive off viewers, but then that just achieves what blocking them would have achieved, doesn't it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's at least as easy for Hulu to deliver different ads to different countries as it is to block people from those countries and hunt down their US proxies , etc .
Some businesses like McDonalds may have a presence that allows running many customized ads ( and as it is unlikely they have setup a presence without advertising it there does not need to be much if any cost creating new adds ) .
Otherwise you can contract with someone local there who is selling web advertising--if they are selling it at all then presumably there is a price at which they will be only too happy to include you in their schemes .
If the margins are too small then you just increase the number of ad intervals .
Yes at some point that will drive off viewers , but then that just achieves what blocking them would have achieved , does n't it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's at least as easy for Hulu to deliver different ads to different countries as it is to block people from those countries and hunt down their US proxies, etc.
Some businesses like McDonalds may have a presence that allows running many customized ads (and as it is unlikely they have setup a presence without advertising it there does not need to be much if any cost creating new adds).
Otherwise you can contract with someone local there who is selling web advertising--if they are selling it at all then presumably there is a price at which they will be only too happy to include you in their schemes.
If the margins are too small then you just increase the number of ad intervals.
Yes at some point that will drive off viewers, but then that just achieves what blocking them would have achieved, doesn't it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29922155</id>
	<title>Props to Witopia.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256905920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Props to Nat (of Witopia).  They saved my bacon more than once when I was doing forward Intel operations all over the ME &amp; SWE.  No, not kidding.  No, he didn't know who I was/what I was doing.  Their/his service is awesome and they were flexible enough (in terms of modifying configs) to allow me to get an SSL VPN out of just about any place in the damn world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Props to Nat ( of Witopia ) .
They saved my bacon more than once when I was doing forward Intel operations all over the ME &amp; SWE .
No , not kidding .
No , he did n't know who I was/what I was doing .
Their/his service is awesome and they were flexible enough ( in terms of modifying configs ) to allow me to get an SSL VPN out of just about any place in the damn world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Props to Nat (of Witopia).
They saved my bacon more than once when I was doing forward Intel operations all over the ME &amp; SWE.
No, not kidding.
No, he didn't know who I was/what I was doing.
Their/his service is awesome and they were flexible enough (in terms of modifying configs) to allow me to get an SSL VPN out of just about any place in the damn world.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920865</id>
	<title>Can't stop the signal</title>
	<author>macemoneta</author>
	<datestamp>1256841660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Internet was designed to work around roadblocks to the free flow of data.</p><p>If the media companies push hard enough, more people will simply setup private proxies.  A PC with a private proxy looks just like a PC with a user, to a site like Hulu.  You can even tunnel it over ssh or a traditional VPN if you want to get fancy.  Blocking ports doesn't work, unless you block them all; software is flexible.</p><p>It only takes one person out of seven billion to make something available to the other 6,999,999,999 people.  There is simply no way to stop data from moving.  It's a fundamental property of information.  Even flash drive via carrier pigeon has higher bandwidth than most people get.</p><p>Someone needs to shake some sense into the media industries.  The only thing they are doing is failing their shareholders.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Internet was designed to work around roadblocks to the free flow of data.If the media companies push hard enough , more people will simply setup private proxies .
A PC with a private proxy looks just like a PC with a user , to a site like Hulu .
You can even tunnel it over ssh or a traditional VPN if you want to get fancy .
Blocking ports does n't work , unless you block them all ; software is flexible.It only takes one person out of seven billion to make something available to the other 6,999,999,999 people .
There is simply no way to stop data from moving .
It 's a fundamental property of information .
Even flash drive via carrier pigeon has higher bandwidth than most people get.Someone needs to shake some sense into the media industries .
The only thing they are doing is failing their shareholders .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Internet was designed to work around roadblocks to the free flow of data.If the media companies push hard enough, more people will simply setup private proxies.
A PC with a private proxy looks just like a PC with a user, to a site like Hulu.
You can even tunnel it over ssh or a traditional VPN if you want to get fancy.
Blocking ports doesn't work, unless you block them all; software is flexible.It only takes one person out of seven billion to make something available to the other 6,999,999,999 people.
There is simply no way to stop data from moving.
It's a fundamental property of information.
Even flash drive via carrier pigeon has higher bandwidth than most people get.Someone needs to shake some sense into the media industries.
The only thing they are doing is failing their shareholders.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29923363</id>
	<title>Re:More complex than that</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256915760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do you have a pointer for that? I haven't heard of any such laws, and in any case there are many foreign language channels on German cable TV (English, French, Spanish, Turkish,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...) with no dubbing or subtitles.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you have a pointer for that ?
I have n't heard of any such laws , and in any case there are many foreign language channels on German cable TV ( English , French , Spanish , Turkish , ... ) with no dubbing or subtitles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you have a pointer for that?
I haven't heard of any such laws, and in any case there are many foreign language channels on German cable TV (English, French, Spanish, Turkish, ...) with no dubbing or subtitles.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29922191</id>
	<title>Re:"But if you don't want our money, fine"</title>
	<author>commodore64\_love</author>
	<datestamp>1256906280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;&gt;If Hulu couldn't make enough from ad revenue overseas then they should offer a paid subscription.</p><p>My airplane club needs a new flying field, and we want you to donate $10 each month to support it.  If you don't have enough revenue, then you should go get a second job.</p><p>Oh wait!  There's that issue of -freedom of choice- which allow you Not to fund my field.  Ditto Hulu which also has freedom of choice Not to offer paid subscriptions.  Damn.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; &gt; If Hulu could n't make enough from ad revenue overseas then they should offer a paid subscription.My airplane club needs a new flying field , and we want you to donate $ 10 each month to support it .
If you do n't have enough revenue , then you should go get a second job.Oh wait !
There 's that issue of -freedom of choice- which allow you Not to fund my field .
Ditto Hulu which also has freedom of choice Not to offer paid subscriptions .
Damn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;&gt;If Hulu couldn't make enough from ad revenue overseas then they should offer a paid subscription.My airplane club needs a new flying field, and we want you to donate $10 each month to support it.
If you don't have enough revenue, then you should go get a second job.Oh wait!
There's that issue of -freedom of choice- which allow you Not to fund my field.
Ditto Hulu which also has freedom of choice Not to offer paid subscriptions.
Damn.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920475</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920319</id>
	<title>Re:Dear content producers...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256833980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually I'm guessing advertisers don't pay for foreign web hits so you aren't supporting the content providers you are just sucking down Hulu's bandwidth. Not being obnoxious just explaining why they are being spoil sports. They may offer the paid service worldwide if you are serious about supporting content providers. If advertisers don't pay for the shows viewers have to and few advertisers will pay for worldwide exposure since it's effectiveness varies and some advertisers are local.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually I 'm guessing advertisers do n't pay for foreign web hits so you are n't supporting the content providers you are just sucking down Hulu 's bandwidth .
Not being obnoxious just explaining why they are being spoil sports .
They may offer the paid service worldwide if you are serious about supporting content providers .
If advertisers do n't pay for the shows viewers have to and few advertisers will pay for worldwide exposure since it 's effectiveness varies and some advertisers are local .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually I'm guessing advertisers don't pay for foreign web hits so you aren't supporting the content providers you are just sucking down Hulu's bandwidth.
Not being obnoxious just explaining why they are being spoil sports.
They may offer the paid service worldwide if you are serious about supporting content providers.
If advertisers don't pay for the shows viewers have to and few advertisers will pay for worldwide exposure since it's effectiveness varies and some advertisers are local.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920237</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920645</id>
	<title>If you want American stuff...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256837820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... then you have to move to America, you Eurotrash fag.  It's bad enough you mooch on the internet and GPS... now you want US TV, too?</p><p>Fuck you!  Suck my American cock.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... then you have to move to America , you Eurotrash fag .
It 's bad enough you mooch on the internet and GPS... now you want US TV , too ? Fuck you !
Suck my American cock .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... then you have to move to America, you Eurotrash fag.
It's bad enough you mooch on the internet and GPS... now you want US TV, too?Fuck you!
Suck my American cock.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29935455</id>
	<title>Re:Dear content producers...</title>
	<author>mcfedr</author>
	<datestamp>1257012600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>dev, i pay about $15 a month for my cable tv and 10mb internet...</htmltext>
<tokenext>dev , i pay about $ 15 a month for my cable tv and 10mb internet.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>dev, i pay about $15 a month for my cable tv and 10mb internet...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920571</id>
	<title>Re:"But if you don't want our money, fine"</title>
	<author>harmonise</author>
	<datestamp>1256836800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Even those that do - say, McDonald's - can't exactly advertise a burger that they're offering nation-wide in the U.S. for a particular price in another country where that product is not available, or is available but for a different price.</p></div></blockquote><p>Brand awareness can still be of value. Even though an ad might be for a Big Mac, the person who sees the ad might want to go to McDonalds and get a McArabia sandwich after watching Brian and Stewie tell fart jokes.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even those that do - say , McDonald 's - ca n't exactly advertise a burger that they 're offering nation-wide in the U.S. for a particular price in another country where that product is not available , or is available but for a different price.Brand awareness can still be of value .
Even though an ad might be for a Big Mac , the person who sees the ad might want to go to McDonalds and get a McArabia sandwich after watching Brian and Stewie tell fart jokes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even those that do - say, McDonald's - can't exactly advertise a burger that they're offering nation-wide in the U.S. for a particular price in another country where that product is not available, or is available but for a different price.Brand awareness can still be of value.
Even though an ad might be for a Big Mac, the person who sees the ad might want to go to McDonalds and get a McArabia sandwich after watching Brian and Stewie tell fart jokes.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29923089</id>
	<title>Re:More complex than that</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256914260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Total BS. I don't know about other countries, but in Germany there is no law that forces you to dub movies. Dubbing is a deplorable practice in German TV and cinemas, but thanks heaven we're still <em>allowed</em> to watch movies in the original version.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Total BS .
I do n't know about other countries , but in Germany there is no law that forces you to dub movies .
Dubbing is a deplorable practice in German TV and cinemas , but thanks heaven we 're still allowed to watch movies in the original version .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Total BS.
I don't know about other countries, but in Germany there is no law that forces you to dub movies.
Dubbing is a deplorable practice in German TV and cinemas, but thanks heaven we're still allowed to watch movies in the original version.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920949</id>
	<title>Someone's gotta be new to these intertubes...</title>
	<author>D4C5CE</author>
	<datestamp>1256843100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It's human nature that people always want <b>what they can't have</b> -- which is why there's so much interest around the world in accessing the <b>US-only</b> Hulu <b>site</b>.</p></div></blockquote><p>...and has yet to realize that there is no such thing on the Net as "can't haves" and "US-only sites". Technically, inaccessibility is damage and deservedly gets routed around. Laws trying to protect flawed business models that ask for the crippling of technological infrastructures to prevent <b>larger</b> audiences are a waste of taxpayers' money, much like a crackdown on automobiles would have been about a century ago to save forever the then <i>status quo</i> of the "flourishing" horse cart and pony express "industries".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's human nature that people always want what they ca n't have -- which is why there 's so much interest around the world in accessing the US-only Hulu site....and has yet to realize that there is no such thing on the Net as " ca n't haves " and " US-only sites " .
Technically , inaccessibility is damage and deservedly gets routed around .
Laws trying to protect flawed business models that ask for the crippling of technological infrastructures to prevent larger audiences are a waste of taxpayers ' money , much like a crackdown on automobiles would have been about a century ago to save forever the then status quo of the " flourishing " horse cart and pony express " industries " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's human nature that people always want what they can't have -- which is why there's so much interest around the world in accessing the US-only Hulu site....and has yet to realize that there is no such thing on the Net as "can't haves" and "US-only sites".
Technically, inaccessibility is damage and deservedly gets routed around.
Laws trying to protect flawed business models that ask for the crippling of technological infrastructures to prevent larger audiences are a waste of taxpayers' money, much like a crackdown on automobiles would have been about a century ago to save forever the then status quo of the "flourishing" horse cart and pony express "industries".
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29923887</id>
	<title>Re:Dear content producers...</title>
	<author>kalirion</author>
	<datestamp>1256918100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm confused, are we now <i>for</i> targeted advertisement based on browsing habbits?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm confused , are we now for targeted advertisement based on browsing habbits ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm confused, are we now for targeted advertisement based on browsing habbits?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29922105</id>
	<title>Re:"But if you don't want our money, fine"</title>
	<author>DarkGreenNight</author>
	<datestamp>1256905200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Family Guy is being broadcasted in Spain too, dubbed: www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfQlZXfy1Wo</p><p>But yes, the market should open. There's a lot of following of shows through Internet. So much, in fact, that now Flashforward is being broadcasted here one week after USA, quite a feat if you take into account that it's dubbed (lots of dubbing here).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Family Guy is being broadcasted in Spain too , dubbed : www.youtube.com/watch ? v = AfQlZXfy1WoBut yes , the market should open .
There 's a lot of following of shows through Internet .
So much , in fact , that now Flashforward is being broadcasted here one week after USA , quite a feat if you take into account that it 's dubbed ( lots of dubbing here ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Family Guy is being broadcasted in Spain too, dubbed: www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfQlZXfy1WoBut yes, the market should open.
There's a lot of following of shows through Internet.
So much, in fact, that now Flashforward is being broadcasted here one week after USA, quite a feat if you take into account that it's dubbed (lots of dubbing here).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29935225</id>
	<title>Brought to you by the people who made the DMCA</title>
	<author>grouchyDude</author>
	<datestamp>1257010500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hulu: brought to you by the same people who thought up the DMCA.  Big media conglomerates that would love to kill user-generated content, and who have a system that directly competes with YouTube.  Even if it's free now, as soon as they have a hammerlock on things (again) the price will go up.  Oh, and the content, even if it's fun, is to a large extent likely to reduce your creativity, productivity and emotional linkage to your community.</p><p>In your own best interest, you should try to get your self and your community blocked by Hulu.  It's evil.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hulu : brought to you by the same people who thought up the DMCA .
Big media conglomerates that would love to kill user-generated content , and who have a system that directly competes with YouTube .
Even if it 's free now , as soon as they have a hammerlock on things ( again ) the price will go up .
Oh , and the content , even if it 's fun , is to a large extent likely to reduce your creativity , productivity and emotional linkage to your community.In your own best interest , you should try to get your self and your community blocked by Hulu .
It 's evil .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hulu: brought to you by the same people who thought up the DMCA.
Big media conglomerates that would love to kill user-generated content, and who have a system that directly competes with YouTube.
Even if it's free now, as soon as they have a hammerlock on things (again) the price will go up.
Oh, and the content, even if it's fun, is to a large extent likely to reduce your creativity, productivity and emotional linkage to your community.In your own best interest, you should try to get your self and your community blocked by Hulu.
It's evil.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29922435</id>
	<title>Re:Dear content producers...</title>
	<author>cayenne8</author>
	<datestamp>1256909520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>"(Though the TV is on maybe five times a month in one hour blocks, so that may be going away soon. Hulu is too convenient for me to bother with the TV.)"</i> <p>
Interesting, in my house, there is at least ONE tv on at all times I am there, usually one in each room if I'm moving about the house that day. The first thing I do when I wake up in the morning, is turn on the tv, I set the last one to turn off in my bedroom when I get ready to go to sleep....it is kind of my nightlight.</p><p>
That being said...I've seen hulu stuff, and it is ok, but, you have a severe lack of choice from what I can see, and the quality isn't that great. I mean if "I" have a choice between the streamed version of something at who knows what resolution, and something coming in on HDTV....I gotta say I'd go with the HD content.</p><p>
I also usually have a computer on and accessible in any given room of the house too...so, it isn't like I'm doing intarweb stuff too during the days at home.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" ( Though the TV is on maybe five times a month in one hour blocks , so that may be going away soon .
Hulu is too convenient for me to bother with the TV .
) " Interesting , in my house , there is at least ONE tv on at all times I am there , usually one in each room if I 'm moving about the house that day .
The first thing I do when I wake up in the morning , is turn on the tv , I set the last one to turn off in my bedroom when I get ready to go to sleep....it is kind of my nightlight .
That being said...I 've seen hulu stuff , and it is ok , but , you have a severe lack of choice from what I can see , and the quality is n't that great .
I mean if " I " have a choice between the streamed version of something at who knows what resolution , and something coming in on HDTV....I got ta say I 'd go with the HD content .
I also usually have a computer on and accessible in any given room of the house too...so , it is n't like I 'm doing intarweb stuff too during the days at home .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"(Though the TV is on maybe five times a month in one hour blocks, so that may be going away soon.
Hulu is too convenient for me to bother with the TV.
)" 
Interesting, in my house, there is at least ONE tv on at all times I am there, usually one in each room if I'm moving about the house that day.
The first thing I do when I wake up in the morning, is turn on the tv, I set the last one to turn off in my bedroom when I get ready to go to sleep....it is kind of my nightlight.
That being said...I've seen hulu stuff, and it is ok, but, you have a severe lack of choice from what I can see, and the quality isn't that great.
I mean if "I" have a choice between the streamed version of something at who knows what resolution, and something coming in on HDTV....I gotta say I'd go with the HD content.
I also usually have a computer on and accessible in any given room of the house too...so, it isn't like I'm doing intarweb stuff too during the days at home.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920237</id>
	<title>Dear content producers...</title>
	<author>Darkness404</author>
	<datestamp>1256833140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Dear content producers, on behalf of most of the world could you please do us a favor and release things globally? In case you haven't looked online, there are many sites where you can get things for free online (http://thepiratebay.org/) most of us though would really just like the support the creators. If you won't sell the product where your fans are, how are we supposed to support you? I can understand physical DVD sales or broadcasting it via television because that costs money, however the internet allows you to distribute content for -free- without the overhead of needing to translate, ship or alter any media. Even better have the fans do the work -for you- if bandwidth is a problem make it be P2P, if translating it into people's language is a problem allow fansubs. As for the "cultural barrier" many of your fans are educated enough to know that there is a difference in culture and will look up, or accept the cultural difference without being offended. This isn't advice just for American TV being released outside of America but also to anime companies and other companies releasing things globally. <br> <br>

Bottom line. We, the people who don't live in the country where you are currently producing, want to -buy- your content or at least look at the ads. If you won't let us, fine. We will simply pirate it. But chances are you want to make money right? So don't treat us like second-class citizens, we have money just like "your part" of the world does and no, we don't like getting episodes 1-2 months later than the rest of the world and no we don't like being shut off of a service that would allow us to watch TV while supporting the producers. If you must, just block non-American IPs but don't be idiots and start blocking VPNs and other ways to block <b>your fans</b> from trying to legitimately support you. We have other options, but you have an opportunity with the internet to allow us to pay for content. But if you don't want our money, fine. We will go back to pirating your shows.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Dear content producers , on behalf of most of the world could you please do us a favor and release things globally ?
In case you have n't looked online , there are many sites where you can get things for free online ( http : //thepiratebay.org/ ) most of us though would really just like the support the creators .
If you wo n't sell the product where your fans are , how are we supposed to support you ?
I can understand physical DVD sales or broadcasting it via television because that costs money , however the internet allows you to distribute content for -free- without the overhead of needing to translate , ship or alter any media .
Even better have the fans do the work -for you- if bandwidth is a problem make it be P2P , if translating it into people 's language is a problem allow fansubs .
As for the " cultural barrier " many of your fans are educated enough to know that there is a difference in culture and will look up , or accept the cultural difference without being offended .
This is n't advice just for American TV being released outside of America but also to anime companies and other companies releasing things globally .
Bottom line .
We , the people who do n't live in the country where you are currently producing , want to -buy- your content or at least look at the ads .
If you wo n't let us , fine .
We will simply pirate it .
But chances are you want to make money right ?
So do n't treat us like second-class citizens , we have money just like " your part " of the world does and no , we do n't like getting episodes 1-2 months later than the rest of the world and no we do n't like being shut off of a service that would allow us to watch TV while supporting the producers .
If you must , just block non-American IPs but do n't be idiots and start blocking VPNs and other ways to block your fans from trying to legitimately support you .
We have other options , but you have an opportunity with the internet to allow us to pay for content .
But if you do n't want our money , fine .
We will go back to pirating your shows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dear content producers, on behalf of most of the world could you please do us a favor and release things globally?
In case you haven't looked online, there are many sites where you can get things for free online (http://thepiratebay.org/) most of us though would really just like the support the creators.
If you won't sell the product where your fans are, how are we supposed to support you?
I can understand physical DVD sales or broadcasting it via television because that costs money, however the internet allows you to distribute content for -free- without the overhead of needing to translate, ship or alter any media.
Even better have the fans do the work -for you- if bandwidth is a problem make it be P2P, if translating it into people's language is a problem allow fansubs.
As for the "cultural barrier" many of your fans are educated enough to know that there is a difference in culture and will look up, or accept the cultural difference without being offended.
This isn't advice just for American TV being released outside of America but also to anime companies and other companies releasing things globally.
Bottom line.
We, the people who don't live in the country where you are currently producing, want to -buy- your content or at least look at the ads.
If you won't let us, fine.
We will simply pirate it.
But chances are you want to make money right?
So don't treat us like second-class citizens, we have money just like "your part" of the world does and no, we don't like getting episodes 1-2 months later than the rest of the world and no we don't like being shut off of a service that would allow us to watch TV while supporting the producers.
If you must, just block non-American IPs but don't be idiots and start blocking VPNs and other ways to block your fans from trying to legitimately support you.
We have other options, but you have an opportunity with the internet to allow us to pay for content.
But if you don't want our money, fine.
We will go back to pirating your shows.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29924647</id>
	<title>Hulu on Witopia is not completely blocked yet.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256921100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While Hulu did block all 4 of Witopia's US-based openvpn servers that you can find here http://wiki.witopia.net/wiki/Changing\_Gateways , they also offer this one prod03.pvpn.lax.witopia.net which they specifically direct to IPs not blocked by Hulu. Witopia's online support directed me to this server and Hulu's been working fine ever since. I don't know how long it will last but Witopia must know they have subscribers specifically for Hulu access.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While Hulu did block all 4 of Witopia 's US-based openvpn servers that you can find here http : //wiki.witopia.net/wiki/Changing \ _Gateways , they also offer this one prod03.pvpn.lax.witopia.net which they specifically direct to IPs not blocked by Hulu .
Witopia 's online support directed me to this server and Hulu 's been working fine ever since .
I do n't know how long it will last but Witopia must know they have subscribers specifically for Hulu access .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While Hulu did block all 4 of Witopia's US-based openvpn servers that you can find here http://wiki.witopia.net/wiki/Changing\_Gateways , they also offer this one prod03.pvpn.lax.witopia.net which they specifically direct to IPs not blocked by Hulu.
Witopia's online support directed me to this server and Hulu's been working fine ever since.
I don't know how long it will last but Witopia must know they have subscribers specifically for Hulu access.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29924623</id>
	<title>Re:Effin ridiculous</title>
	<author>CohibaVancouver</author>
	<datestamp>1256920980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Am I missing something obvious here? Is there a reason this is so hard it hasn't been done yet?</i> </p><p>I don't know if it's 'obvious' but you, and many other<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.ers are starting from a false premise.  It's not about serving up ads per se - It's about protecting distributors  in other regions who have paid for the content.  For example, in Canada "The Amazing Race" airs on CTV ("Canadian TV").  When CTV airs TAR, if I watch the cable channel carrying CBS that channel is 'overwritten' with the CTV feed, i.e. both "Channel 9" (CTV) and "Channel 15" (CBS) are both carrying the same identical feed from CTV.<br> <br>

 If I want to watch TAR online, I'm 'supposed' to do it at CTV.ca, and when I watch it at CTV.ca I see ads for Tim Horton's coffee (a big Canadian chain), Canadian Tire etc.  I also see ads that are regionally specific, i.e. ads for Vancouver-based companies, which is where I am.  This ad revenue flows up to CTV.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Am I missing something obvious here ?
Is there a reason this is so hard it has n't been done yet ?
I do n't know if it 's 'obvious ' but you , and many other /.ers are starting from a false premise .
It 's not about serving up ads per se - It 's about protecting distributors in other regions who have paid for the content .
For example , in Canada " The Amazing Race " airs on CTV ( " Canadian TV " ) .
When CTV airs TAR , if I watch the cable channel carrying CBS that channel is 'overwritten ' with the CTV feed , i.e .
both " Channel 9 " ( CTV ) and " Channel 15 " ( CBS ) are both carrying the same identical feed from CTV .
If I want to watch TAR online , I 'm 'supposed ' to do it at CTV.ca , and when I watch it at CTV.ca I see ads for Tim Horton 's coffee ( a big Canadian chain ) , Canadian Tire etc .
I also see ads that are regionally specific , i.e .
ads for Vancouver-based companies , which is where I am .
This ad revenue flows up to CTV .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Am I missing something obvious here?
Is there a reason this is so hard it hasn't been done yet?
I don't know if it's 'obvious' but you, and many other /.ers are starting from a false premise.
It's not about serving up ads per se - It's about protecting distributors  in other regions who have paid for the content.
For example, in Canada "The Amazing Race" airs on CTV ("Canadian TV").
When CTV airs TAR, if I watch the cable channel carrying CBS that channel is 'overwritten' with the CTV feed, i.e.
both "Channel 9" (CTV) and "Channel 15" (CBS) are both carrying the same identical feed from CTV.
If I want to watch TAR online, I'm 'supposed' to do it at CTV.ca, and when I watch it at CTV.ca I see ads for Tim Horton's coffee (a big Canadian chain), Canadian Tire etc.
I also see ads that are regionally specific, i.e.
ads for Vancouver-based companies, which is where I am.
This ad revenue flows up to CTV.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29921133</id>
	<title>Re:"But if you don't want our money, fine"</title>
	<author>shinzawai</author>
	<datestamp>1256845500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>But there are still many other shows that don't make it past American, European or Japanese shores at all. For example Family Guy is only broadcast in the US as far as I know and it has been broadcast since 1999, I think it is safe to say it won't be syndicated outside of the US anytime soon. Other shows are totally destroyed in "localization" most anime series are completely ruined when brought to American or European countries.</p> </div><p>You obviously don't know shit.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But there are still many other shows that do n't make it past American , European or Japanese shores at all .
For example Family Guy is only broadcast in the US as far as I know and it has been broadcast since 1999 , I think it is safe to say it wo n't be syndicated outside of the US anytime soon .
Other shows are totally destroyed in " localization " most anime series are completely ruined when brought to American or European countries .
You obviously do n't know shit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But there are still many other shows that don't make it past American, European or Japanese shores at all.
For example Family Guy is only broadcast in the US as far as I know and it has been broadcast since 1999, I think it is safe to say it won't be syndicated outside of the US anytime soon.
Other shows are totally destroyed in "localization" most anime series are completely ruined when brought to American or European countries.
You obviously don't know shit.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920985</id>
	<title>SOCKS proxy to USA VPS doesn't work for me</title>
	<author>thatkid\_2002</author>
	<datestamp>1256843640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A few weeks back I purchased a VPS server for the purpose of watching Hulu. I tunneled all my traffic by using SOCKS and many services clearly thought I was in the USA <b>except</b> Hulu.</p><p>Hulu seems to be doing client side checks, checking your Locale/time settings I suspect.</p><p>

I am in Brisbane, QLD, Australia and I belive my VPS was in a Houston datacenter in Texas USA.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A few weeks back I purchased a VPS server for the purpose of watching Hulu .
I tunneled all my traffic by using SOCKS and many services clearly thought I was in the USA except Hulu.Hulu seems to be doing client side checks , checking your Locale/time settings I suspect .
I am in Brisbane , QLD , Australia and I belive my VPS was in a Houston datacenter in Texas USA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A few weeks back I purchased a VPS server for the purpose of watching Hulu.
I tunneled all my traffic by using SOCKS and many services clearly thought I was in the USA except Hulu.Hulu seems to be doing client side checks, checking your Locale/time settings I suspect.
I am in Brisbane, QLD, Australia and I belive my VPS was in a Houston datacenter in Texas USA.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920607</id>
	<title>Re:Dear content producers...</title>
	<author>deathguppie</author>
	<datestamp>1256837160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the point is that Hulu is paying for their bandwidth, and that since their advertisers are US based and that the content providers would like the opportunity to market their product in other counties.  They cannot allow people outside the US to view it without losing their content.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the point is that Hulu is paying for their bandwidth , and that since their advertisers are US based and that the content providers would like the opportunity to market their product in other counties .
They can not allow people outside the US to view it without losing their content .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the point is that Hulu is paying for their bandwidth, and that since their advertisers are US based and that the content providers would like the opportunity to market their product in other counties.
They cannot allow people outside the US to view it without losing their content.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920961</id>
	<title>How about SSH?</title>
	<author>scott\_karana</author>
	<datestamp>1256843220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just use my American-hosted server as an SSH proxy to watch Hulu.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just use my American-hosted server as an SSH proxy to watch Hulu .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just use my American-hosted server as an SSH proxy to watch Hulu.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920793</id>
	<title>Hulu = Media Facism</title>
	<author>arzach95</author>
	<datestamp>1256840100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hulu = Media Facism

Anyone can give any excuse , but that is fascism.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hulu = Media Facism Anyone can give any excuse , but that is fascism .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hulu = Media Facism

Anyone can give any excuse , but that is fascism.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920975</id>
	<title>Re:More complex than that</title>
	<author>J Isaksson</author>
	<datestamp>1256843460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext> I'm in Sweden and I have quite a few unsubbed and legal channels both on-air and over satellite. There are some "accessibility requirements" for SVT (the government owned commercial free channel that charges a TV license fee) but even they aren't required to subtitle everything and many channels that do subtitle do so in English since few channels are dedicated to Sweden and Swedes in general have little problems with English.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm in Sweden and I have quite a few unsubbed and legal channels both on-air and over satellite .
There are some " accessibility requirements " for SVT ( the government owned commercial free channel that charges a TV license fee ) but even they are n't required to subtitle everything and many channels that do subtitle do so in English since few channels are dedicated to Sweden and Swedes in general have little problems with English .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I'm in Sweden and I have quite a few unsubbed and legal channels both on-air and over satellite.
There are some "accessibility requirements" for SVT (the government owned commercial free channel that charges a TV license fee) but even they aren't required to subtitle everything and many channels that do subtitle do so in English since few channels are dedicated to Sweden and Swedes in general have little problems with English.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920279</id>
	<title>Re:Dear content producers...</title>
	<author>nedlohs</author>
	<datestamp>1256833620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Obviously they'd prefer to sell^Wlicense the distribution rights multiple times across multiple "regions".</p><p>Which they clearly think will give them more money than doing so on a global basis.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Obviously they 'd prefer to sell ^ Wlicense the distribution rights multiple times across multiple " regions " .Which they clearly think will give them more money than doing so on a global basis .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obviously they'd prefer to sell^Wlicense the distribution rights multiple times across multiple "regions".Which they clearly think will give them more money than doing so on a global basis.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29922405</id>
	<title>Re:Dear content producers...</title>
	<author>cayenne8</author>
	<datestamp>1256909160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>" Initially Witopia's <b>LA</b> gateway remained unaffected, but now Hulu has blocked this as well."</i> <p>
Interesting, I didn't know we had a Witopia gateway down here in Louisiana...?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Initially Witopia 's LA gateway remained unaffected , but now Hulu has blocked this as well .
" Interesting , I did n't know we had a Witopia gateway down here in Louisiana... ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>" Initially Witopia's LA gateway remained unaffected, but now Hulu has blocked this as well.
" 
Interesting, I didn't know we had a Witopia gateway down here in Louisiana...?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920609</id>
	<title>More complex than that</title>
	<author>ProfMobius</author>
	<datestamp>1256837160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>The overall problem is more complex than just a ad problem. In many European countries, the shows have to legally be dubbed (France, Germany, Spain) or at least subbed (Danmark, Sweden). So, if they diffuse them oversea, they are making themself fool of the law. I don't know for internet if the applied law if the law of the served country or the serving country, but in all cases, it is a more complex problem than just "do it".
<p> On a side note, I find totally rubbish the laws about forcing dubbing and subbing, and if Hulu was available in France/Germany, I would use it instead of tpb. But right now I don't have a choice, and it just piss me off.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The overall problem is more complex than just a ad problem .
In many European countries , the shows have to legally be dubbed ( France , Germany , Spain ) or at least subbed ( Danmark , Sweden ) .
So , if they diffuse them oversea , they are making themself fool of the law .
I do n't know for internet if the applied law if the law of the served country or the serving country , but in all cases , it is a more complex problem than just " do it " .
On a side note , I find totally rubbish the laws about forcing dubbing and subbing , and if Hulu was available in France/Germany , I would use it instead of tpb .
But right now I do n't have a choice , and it just piss me off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The overall problem is more complex than just a ad problem.
In many European countries, the shows have to legally be dubbed (France, Germany, Spain) or at least subbed (Danmark, Sweden).
So, if they diffuse them oversea, they are making themself fool of the law.
I don't know for internet if the applied law if the law of the served country or the serving country, but in all cases, it is a more complex problem than just "do it".
On a side note, I find totally rubbish the laws about forcing dubbing and subbing, and if Hulu was available in France/Germany, I would use it instead of tpb.
But right now I don't have a choice, and it just piss me off.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29926327</id>
	<title>Re:"But if you don't want our money, fine"</title>
	<author>QuantumRiff</author>
	<datestamp>1256928420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They do some basic Geo-Location now...<br>When I watch ABC shows, my local ABC Affiliates banner shows up in the bottom left of the screen.  if they could partner with Google (as in youtube) to do more 'local' advertising, it would be huge for them.  They would really, really open up the market to small advertisers, instead of just nationwide ads now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They do some basic Geo-Location now...When I watch ABC shows , my local ABC Affiliates banner shows up in the bottom left of the screen .
if they could partner with Google ( as in youtube ) to do more 'local ' advertising , it would be huge for them .
They would really , really open up the market to small advertisers , instead of just nationwide ads now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They do some basic Geo-Location now...When I watch ABC shows, my local ABC Affiliates banner shows up in the bottom left of the screen.
if they could partner with Google (as in youtube) to do more 'local' advertising, it would be huge for them.
They would really, really open up the market to small advertisers, instead of just nationwide ads now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29921253</id>
	<title>Calling Hollywood...</title>
	<author>Ian.Waring</author>
	<datestamp>1256934180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I know my wife would happily cough up $7 or so per episode just to watch the latest edition of Nip/Tuck or Californication every week. She'd be quite happy if something like Hulu or Amazon allowed her to post her money to the content providers in exchange for this, rather than just buying the DVD set (at the end of each series screening) every time we visit the USA. Wholesale blocking doesn't do the industry any favours.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know my wife would happily cough up $ 7 or so per episode just to watch the latest edition of Nip/Tuck or Californication every week .
She 'd be quite happy if something like Hulu or Amazon allowed her to post her money to the content providers in exchange for this , rather than just buying the DVD set ( at the end of each series screening ) every time we visit the USA .
Wholesale blocking does n't do the industry any favours .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know my wife would happily cough up $7 or so per episode just to watch the latest edition of Nip/Tuck or Californication every week.
She'd be quite happy if something like Hulu or Amazon allowed her to post her money to the content providers in exchange for this, rather than just buying the DVD set (at the end of each series screening) every time we visit the USA.
Wholesale blocking doesn't do the industry any favours.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29924793</id>
	<title>Is it really just "human nature"?</title>
	<author>mi</author>
	<datestamp>1256921760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>"It's human nature that people always want what they can't have -- which is why there's so much interest around the world in accessing the US-only Hulu site."</p></div></blockquote><p>Is it really just human nature, or could it &mdash; just possibly &mdash; be, that the American entertainment is, really and truly, the most <em>entertaining</em>, for whatever reasons? There really is so much of it &mdash; with something for everyone: from Michale Moore to South Park, from zombies to healthy families...

</p><p>But no, let's not acknowledge, American-made can be good for anything &mdash; let's pretend, all interest is only there because of access limits...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" It 's human nature that people always want what they ca n't have -- which is why there 's so much interest around the world in accessing the US-only Hulu site .
" Is it really just human nature , or could it    just possibly    be , that the American entertainment is , really and truly , the most entertaining , for whatever reasons ?
There really is so much of it    with something for everyone : from Michale Moore to South Park , from zombies to healthy families.. . But no , let 's not acknowledge , American-made can be good for anything    let 's pretend , all interest is only there because of access limits.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"It's human nature that people always want what they can't have -- which is why there's so much interest around the world in accessing the US-only Hulu site.
"Is it really just human nature, or could it — just possibly — be, that the American entertainment is, really and truly, the most entertaining, for whatever reasons?
There really is so much of it — with something for everyone: from Michale Moore to South Park, from zombies to healthy families...

But no, let's not acknowledge, American-made can be good for anything — let's pretend, all interest is only there because of access limits...
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29925605</id>
	<title>Re:"But if you don't want our money, fine"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256924880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What money man? What is the price to target Nigeria or Romania ? Selling adds for what? 5 cents? On the other side , most probably the poor countries will have 80\% of the bandwidth. So it's not worth it !</p><p>P.S. I'm a romanian , so I know first hand !</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What money man ?
What is the price to target Nigeria or Romania ?
Selling adds for what ?
5 cents ?
On the other side , most probably the poor countries will have 80 \ % of the bandwidth .
So it 's not worth it ! P.S .
I 'm a romanian , so I know first hand !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What money man?
What is the price to target Nigeria or Romania ?
Selling adds for what?
5 cents?
On the other side , most probably the poor countries will have 80\% of the bandwidth.
So it's not worth it !P.S.
I'm a romanian , so I know first hand !</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920565</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29924257</id>
	<title>Stop deep-linking to this blocked content as well.</title>
	<author>CohibaVancouver</author>
	<datestamp>1256919660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>While the fact that Hulu, NBC.com et al blocks content to people like me outside of the USA is annoying, what almost drives me battier is other sites that embed/deep-link this content as well.<br> <br>

Ain't it Cool News is famous for this - They're always embedding or deep-linking the latest SNL video or The Office preview that doesn't work outside of the USA, and they're not alone. <br> <br>

Hey 'webmasters'- If people outside of the USA can't view the content hosted on video sites, stop deep linking to it on *your* sites - You wind up looking stupid. <br> <br>

Yours truly,<br>
An Annoyed Canadian</htmltext>
<tokenext>While the fact that Hulu , NBC.com et al blocks content to people like me outside of the USA is annoying , what almost drives me battier is other sites that embed/deep-link this content as well .
Ai n't it Cool News is famous for this - They 're always embedding or deep-linking the latest SNL video or The Office preview that does n't work outside of the USA , and they 're not alone .
Hey 'webmasters'- If people outside of the USA ca n't view the content hosted on video sites , stop deep linking to it on * your * sites - You wind up looking stupid .
Yours truly , An Annoyed Canadian</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While the fact that Hulu, NBC.com et al blocks content to people like me outside of the USA is annoying, what almost drives me battier is other sites that embed/deep-link this content as well.
Ain't it Cool News is famous for this - They're always embedding or deep-linking the latest SNL video or The Office preview that doesn't work outside of the USA, and they're not alone.
Hey 'webmasters'- If people outside of the USA can't view the content hosted on video sites, stop deep linking to it on *your* sites - You wind up looking stupid.
Yours truly,
An Annoyed Canadian</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29932865</id>
	<title>Re:SOCKS proxy to USA VPS doesn't work for me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256981040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Probably because you need a real vpn and not just a socks one (just a guess)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Probably because you need a real vpn and not just a socks one ( just a guess )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Probably because you need a real vpn and not just a socks one (just a guess)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920985</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29921345</id>
	<title>Hulu DOES want to broadcast to ...</title>
	<author>gordguide</author>
	<datestamp>1256935980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Whatever country you live in. Trust me, it's part of the plan.</p><p>Rights are complex. They can be, essentially, broken up into infinite pieces. I can sell you the right to be the first to broadcast something, and sell the rights to subsequent broadcasts to someone else. That's what "all rights reserved" means<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... if I don't specifically say they're included, they 're not included.</p><p>Sometimes companies screw up when they sell rights, failing to anticipate some technology, and finding out they are prevented from taking advantage of that technology because the rights they sold were too broad in scope.</p><p>They can be anything; I could create a contract selling the rights to broadcast in any year the Yankees did not win the World Series, or the rights to broadcast only on tuesdays in Upper Volta and only if the date is an odd number on the Gregorian Calendar. Whatever.</p><p>Hulu has to prove to the content creators that they are capable of enforcing the rights they buy from the creators, who (we assume, because it's US made content streamed to US viewers) are the rights holders. Hulu very much wants to stream to every country in the world, but before it can do that, it has to show it's capable of enforcing the rights it buys and limiting the scope of it's stream to those it has the right to stream to, and no-one else.</p><p>If Hulu fails, the content creators will just shit-can them and get someone else. Hulu has a lot at stake here, and they can't afford to screw up. So, they're going to limit streams to US residents, because that's the only viewers they have a right to stream to.</p><p>Later, if they pull this off, they'll set up elsewhere by negotiating with rights holders elsewhere.</p><p>Chances are when they get around to 'elsewhere' they are not the same people they buy the rights from for the US streams; the content creators are in the business of selling rights to others, and those rights probably cover what Hulu is doing. So, Hulu needs to negotiate with those people, not the original content creators.</p><p>Ads are irrelevant<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... that's purely Hulu's business and revenue model, and has nothing to do with whether you can view the stream wherever you are. Content creators and rights holders don't care how Hulu makes it's money as long as they get paid themselves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... Whatever country you live in .
Trust me , it 's part of the plan.Rights are complex .
They can be , essentially , broken up into infinite pieces .
I can sell you the right to be the first to broadcast something , and sell the rights to subsequent broadcasts to someone else .
That 's what " all rights reserved " means ... if I do n't specifically say they 're included , they 're not included.Sometimes companies screw up when they sell rights , failing to anticipate some technology , and finding out they are prevented from taking advantage of that technology because the rights they sold were too broad in scope.They can be anything ; I could create a contract selling the rights to broadcast in any year the Yankees did not win the World Series , or the rights to broadcast only on tuesdays in Upper Volta and only if the date is an odd number on the Gregorian Calendar .
Whatever.Hulu has to prove to the content creators that they are capable of enforcing the rights they buy from the creators , who ( we assume , because it 's US made content streamed to US viewers ) are the rights holders .
Hulu very much wants to stream to every country in the world , but before it can do that , it has to show it 's capable of enforcing the rights it buys and limiting the scope of it 's stream to those it has the right to stream to , and no-one else.If Hulu fails , the content creators will just shit-can them and get someone else .
Hulu has a lot at stake here , and they ca n't afford to screw up .
So , they 're going to limit streams to US residents , because that 's the only viewers they have a right to stream to.Later , if they pull this off , they 'll set up elsewhere by negotiating with rights holders elsewhere.Chances are when they get around to 'elsewhere ' they are not the same people they buy the rights from for the US streams ; the content creators are in the business of selling rights to others , and those rights probably cover what Hulu is doing .
So , Hulu needs to negotiate with those people , not the original content creators.Ads are irrelevant ... that 's purely Hulu 's business and revenue model , and has nothing to do with whether you can view the stream wherever you are .
Content creators and rights holders do n't care how Hulu makes it 's money as long as they get paid themselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ... Whatever country you live in.
Trust me, it's part of the plan.Rights are complex.
They can be, essentially, broken up into infinite pieces.
I can sell you the right to be the first to broadcast something, and sell the rights to subsequent broadcasts to someone else.
That's what "all rights reserved" means ... if I don't specifically say they're included, they 're not included.Sometimes companies screw up when they sell rights, failing to anticipate some technology, and finding out they are prevented from taking advantage of that technology because the rights they sold were too broad in scope.They can be anything; I could create a contract selling the rights to broadcast in any year the Yankees did not win the World Series, or the rights to broadcast only on tuesdays in Upper Volta and only if the date is an odd number on the Gregorian Calendar.
Whatever.Hulu has to prove to the content creators that they are capable of enforcing the rights they buy from the creators, who (we assume, because it's US made content streamed to US viewers) are the rights holders.
Hulu very much wants to stream to every country in the world, but before it can do that, it has to show it's capable of enforcing the rights it buys and limiting the scope of it's stream to those it has the right to stream to, and no-one else.If Hulu fails, the content creators will just shit-can them and get someone else.
Hulu has a lot at stake here, and they can't afford to screw up.
So, they're going to limit streams to US residents, because that's the only viewers they have a right to stream to.Later, if they pull this off, they'll set up elsewhere by negotiating with rights holders elsewhere.Chances are when they get around to 'elsewhere' they are not the same people they buy the rights from for the US streams; the content creators are in the business of selling rights to others, and those rights probably cover what Hulu is doing.
So, Hulu needs to negotiate with those people, not the original content creators.Ads are irrelevant ... that's purely Hulu's business and revenue model, and has nothing to do with whether you can view the stream wherever you are.
Content creators and rights holders don't care how Hulu makes it's money as long as they get paid themselves.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29924209</id>
	<title>non blocked vpn</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256919480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use Road Warrior VPN.com and they are not blocked by hulu at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use Road Warrior VPN.com and they are not blocked by hulu at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use Road Warrior VPN.com and they are not blocked by hulu at all.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29921181</id>
	<title>Re:"But if you don't want our money, fine"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256932860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And what American advertiser is going to want to place ads for videos that are seen in countries where they may not even have an establishment?</p></div><p>Then have non-American advertisers as well, and show the ads for the appropriate region. Duh.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And what American advertiser is going to want to place ads for videos that are seen in countries where they may not even have an establishment ? Then have non-American advertisers as well , and show the ads for the appropriate region .
Duh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And what American advertiser is going to want to place ads for videos that are seen in countries where they may not even have an establishment?Then have non-American advertisers as well, and show the ads for the appropriate region.
Duh.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920341</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29931067</id>
	<title>Re:SOCKS proxy to USA VPS doesn't work for me</title>
	<author>Jason Pollock</author>
	<datestamp>1256911440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Hulu flash client attempts a direct connection to the RTMP port (port 1935).  You need to block that port, and then it should fall back to the HTTP proxy.

<a href="http://blog.jason.pollock.ca/2009/09/using-amazon-ec2-to-access-hulu.html" title="pollock.ca">http://blog.jason.pollock.ca/2009/09/using-amazon-ec2-to-access-hulu.html</a> [pollock.ca]</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Hulu flash client attempts a direct connection to the RTMP port ( port 1935 ) .
You need to block that port , and then it should fall back to the HTTP proxy .
http : //blog.jason.pollock.ca/2009/09/using-amazon-ec2-to-access-hulu.html [ pollock.ca ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Hulu flash client attempts a direct connection to the RTMP port (port 1935).
You need to block that port, and then it should fall back to the HTTP proxy.
http://blog.jason.pollock.ca/2009/09/using-amazon-ec2-to-access-hulu.html [pollock.ca]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920985</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29921925</id>
	<title>Re:Dear content producers...</title>
	<author>Grimbleton</author>
	<datestamp>1256902260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I pay over $100 a month for internet and TV and still haven't gotten rid of those damned video ads over there on the television. Don't press your luck. =\</p><p>(Though the TV is on maybe five times a month in one hour blocks, so that may be going away soon. Hulu is too convenient for me to bother with the TV.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I pay over $ 100 a month for internet and TV and still have n't gotten rid of those damned video ads over there on the television .
Do n't press your luck .
= \ ( Though the TV is on maybe five times a month in one hour blocks , so that may be going away soon .
Hulu is too convenient for me to bother with the TV .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I pay over $100 a month for internet and TV and still haven't gotten rid of those damned video ads over there on the television.
Don't press your luck.
=\(Though the TV is on maybe five times a month in one hour blocks, so that may be going away soon.
Hulu is too convenient for me to bother with the TV.
)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920603</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29921961</id>
	<title>God this is annoying</title>
	<author>shekared</author>
	<datestamp>1256902860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As an American expat in China I rely on Witopia to connect me back to the states and allow me to pretend I still live in a country that lets me access any site I want, facebook and hulu included.  This isn't a rant against content providers nor the Chinese government, but COME ON!  All I want to do is watch my favorite shows from the states... I'd even pay for the privilege.  As there is no legal way for me to watch content from the states, I instead turn to pirated DVDs and the huge range of options I have for Chinese hosted videos.  Yeah, the Chinese subtitles are annoying, but the trade off of being able to watch my favorite shows at all is worth it.  Sorry content guys.  Unless you provide me with a legal option to watch content available in the states I'm going to go the bootleg route.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As an American expat in China I rely on Witopia to connect me back to the states and allow me to pretend I still live in a country that lets me access any site I want , facebook and hulu included .
This is n't a rant against content providers nor the Chinese government , but COME ON !
All I want to do is watch my favorite shows from the states... I 'd even pay for the privilege .
As there is no legal way for me to watch content from the states , I instead turn to pirated DVDs and the huge range of options I have for Chinese hosted videos .
Yeah , the Chinese subtitles are annoying , but the trade off of being able to watch my favorite shows at all is worth it .
Sorry content guys .
Unless you provide me with a legal option to watch content available in the states I 'm going to go the bootleg route .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As an American expat in China I rely on Witopia to connect me back to the states and allow me to pretend I still live in a country that lets me access any site I want, facebook and hulu included.
This isn't a rant against content providers nor the Chinese government, but COME ON!
All I want to do is watch my favorite shows from the states... I'd even pay for the privilege.
As there is no legal way for me to watch content from the states, I instead turn to pirated DVDs and the huge range of options I have for Chinese hosted videos.
Yeah, the Chinese subtitles are annoying, but the trade off of being able to watch my favorite shows at all is worth it.
Sorry content guys.
Unless you provide me with a legal option to watch content available in the states I'm going to go the bootleg route.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920475</id>
	<title>Re:"But if you don't want our money, fine"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256835960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't buy that excuse.  If Hulu couldn't make enough from ad revenue overseas then they should offer a paid subscription.  They have no shortage of people trying to see what they offer and I'd bet that by continually making efforts to stop fans from accessing the site from outside the US they're only encouraging people to go elsewhere, even piracy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't buy that excuse .
If Hulu could n't make enough from ad revenue overseas then they should offer a paid subscription .
They have no shortage of people trying to see what they offer and I 'd bet that by continually making efforts to stop fans from accessing the site from outside the US they 're only encouraging people to go elsewhere , even piracy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't buy that excuse.
If Hulu couldn't make enough from ad revenue overseas then they should offer a paid subscription.
They have no shortage of people trying to see what they offer and I'd bet that by continually making efforts to stop fans from accessing the site from outside the US they're only encouraging people to go elsewhere, even piracy.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920341</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29924377</id>
	<title>Re:"But if you don't want our money, fine"</title>
	<author>CohibaVancouver</author>
	<datestamp>1256920080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>For example Family Guy is only broadcast in the US</i></p><p> 

It airs in Canada on Global TV:

<a href="http://www.globaltv.com/entertainment/shows/familyguy/index.html" title="globaltv.com">http://www.globaltv.com/entertainment/shows/familyguy/index.html</a> [globaltv.com] <br> <br><nobr> <wbr></nobr>...and I do mean 'airs' - You can watch it with rabbit ears if you want (we still have OTA analog TV in Canada).

<br> <br>Global wants you to watch Family Guy online at GlobalTV.com, not Hulu, so Global can get the ad revenue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For example Family Guy is only broadcast in the US It airs in Canada on Global TV : http : //www.globaltv.com/entertainment/shows/familyguy/index.html [ globaltv.com ] ...and I do mean 'airs ' - You can watch it with rabbit ears if you want ( we still have OTA analog TV in Canada ) .
Global wants you to watch Family Guy online at GlobalTV.com , not Hulu , so Global can get the ad revenue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> For example Family Guy is only broadcast in the US 

It airs in Canada on Global TV:

http://www.globaltv.com/entertainment/shows/familyguy/index.html [globaltv.com]   ...and I do mean 'airs' - You can watch it with rabbit ears if you want (we still have OTA analog TV in Canada).
Global wants you to watch Family Guy online at GlobalTV.com, not Hulu, so Global can get the ad revenue.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920505</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29921475</id>
	<title>Re:If you want American stuff...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256894760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Look at the bright side: if it weren't for us Europeans you guys would still be Indians. (With apologies to H.Schmidt).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Look at the bright side : if it were n't for us Europeans you guys would still be Indians .
( With apologies to H.Schmidt ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look at the bright side: if it weren't for us Europeans you guys would still be Indians.
(With apologies to H.Schmidt).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920645</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29925481</id>
	<title>Re:There are other VPNs that work...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256924220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good for you, I'm currently watching a season of American TV on Youku, to be followed later by some BT downloads in HD.</p><p>Why do I need a VPN again?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good for you , I 'm currently watching a season of American TV on Youku , to be followed later by some BT downloads in HD.Why do I need a VPN again ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good for you, I'm currently watching a season of American TV on Youku, to be followed later by some BT downloads in HD.Why do I need a VPN again?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920919</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29921199</id>
	<title>Re:"But if you don't want our money, fine"</title>
	<author>Stormwatch</author>
	<datestamp>1256933400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>There are many anime fans who would much rather watch the original with subtitles than with sub-par voice acting and many references, scenes or entire characters removed or changed.</p></div></blockquote><p>
O rly? Well, I'd rather watch the original with subtitles than even the most competent dub. That goes for animation, TV shows, movies, and games: the original voice acting must absolutely NOT be changed in localization, be it English, Japanese, Russian, Swahili, Elvish, Klingon, Pig Latin, or Swedish Chef!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are many anime fans who would much rather watch the original with subtitles than with sub-par voice acting and many references , scenes or entire characters removed or changed .
O rly ?
Well , I 'd rather watch the original with subtitles than even the most competent dub .
That goes for animation , TV shows , movies , and games : the original voice acting must absolutely NOT be changed in localization , be it English , Japanese , Russian , Swahili , Elvish , Klingon , Pig Latin , or Swedish Chef !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are many anime fans who would much rather watch the original with subtitles than with sub-par voice acting and many references, scenes or entire characters removed or changed.
O rly?
Well, I'd rather watch the original with subtitles than even the most competent dub.
That goes for animation, TV shows, movies, and games: the original voice acting must absolutely NOT be changed in localization, be it English, Japanese, Russian, Swahili, Elvish, Klingon, Pig Latin, or Swedish Chef!
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29921741</id>
	<title>I am not sure of that</title>
	<author>aepervius</author>
	<datestamp>1256899320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have seen film in VO-stf in France on *public* channel, and I have bought DVD without even subtitle or dubs in France in big retailer. Sure there could have been a law they ignored, but I would like to see that law linked and shown. There was an old law in ~1930 saying they could only show original film in a few cinema, but has been AFAIK repelled or not enforced for DVD.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have seen film in VO-stf in France on * public * channel , and I have bought DVD without even subtitle or dubs in France in big retailer .
Sure there could have been a law they ignored , but I would like to see that law linked and shown .
There was an old law in ~ 1930 saying they could only show original film in a few cinema , but has been AFAIK repelled or not enforced for DVD .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have seen film in VO-stf in France on *public* channel, and I have bought DVD without even subtitle or dubs in France in big retailer.
Sure there could have been a law they ignored, but I would like to see that law linked and shown.
There was an old law in ~1930 saying they could only show original film in a few cinema, but has been AFAIK repelled or not enforced for DVD.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29921563</id>
	<title>"people always want what they can't have"? wtf?</title>
	<author>Punto</author>
	<datestamp>1256895840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>no. people want what they want, and people expect to have what they CAN have. before there was electricity, people had to wait for ships to bring newspapers from europe with the latest news (from 6 months ago). If they had a telegraph installed right into their living room, would they still go to the docs every day? people CAN have tv shows, and that's why they want them from Hulu. And if Hulu won't give it to them, somebody else will.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>no .
people want what they want , and people expect to have what they CAN have .
before there was electricity , people had to wait for ships to bring newspapers from europe with the latest news ( from 6 months ago ) .
If they had a telegraph installed right into their living room , would they still go to the docs every day ?
people CAN have tv shows , and that 's why they want them from Hulu .
And if Hulu wo n't give it to them , somebody else will .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>no.
people want what they want, and people expect to have what they CAN have.
before there was electricity, people had to wait for ships to bring newspapers from europe with the latest news (from 6 months ago).
If they had a telegraph installed right into their living room, would they still go to the docs every day?
people CAN have tv shows, and that's why they want them from Hulu.
And if Hulu won't give it to them, somebody else will.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29931075</id>
	<title>Re:"But if you don't want our money, fine"</title>
	<author>thetoadwarrior</author>
	<datestamp>1256911560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If only someone could invent locale based ads.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If only someone could invent locale based ads .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If only someone could invent locale based ads.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920725</id>
	<title>remote squid proxy</title>
	<author>mathgenius</author>
	<datestamp>1256838900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I tried accessing hulu through a squid proxy in the US. It get's to the "loading video", but then "we are unable to stream this video. please check your internet connection and try again". I wonder if it's a bandwidth issue, or perhaps squid is doing something weird.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I tried accessing hulu through a squid proxy in the US .
It get 's to the " loading video " , but then " we are unable to stream this video .
please check your internet connection and try again " .
I wonder if it 's a bandwidth issue , or perhaps squid is doing something weird .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I tried accessing hulu through a squid proxy in the US.
It get's to the "loading video", but then "we are unable to stream this video.
please check your internet connection and try again".
I wonder if it's a bandwidth issue, or perhaps squid is doing something weird.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_0021256.29920603</id>
	<title>Re:Dear content producers...</title>
	<author>Jeff DeMaagd</author>
	<datestamp>1256837160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's $40-$60/yr., and do you really think that Witopia would be willing to give any of that up if they could avoid it?</p><p>Though a subscription idea to remove ads would be very interesting to me, as long as it removes all the video ads and doesn't have overlays on what I want to watch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's $ 40- $ 60/yr. , and do you really think that Witopia would be willing to give any of that up if they could avoid it ? Though a subscription idea to remove ads would be very interesting to me , as long as it removes all the video ads and does n't have overlays on what I want to watch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's $40-$60/yr., and do you really think that Witopia would be willing to give any of that up if they could avoid it?Though a subscription idea to remove ads would be very interesting to me, as long as it removes all the video ads and doesn't have overlays on what I want to watch.</sentencetext>
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