<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_10_27_1427209</id>
	<title>Intel Updates SSDs, Supports TRIM, Faster Writes</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1256654400000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>MojoKid writes <i>"Intel has just <a href="http://hothardware.com/Articles/Intel-34nm-X25M-Gen-2-SSD-Performance-Update/">released a firmware update</a> for their 34nm Gen X25-M solid state drives that not only boosts sequential write performance, but adds support for the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIM\_(SSD\_command)">TRIM command</a> as well. A performance optimization tool is also being released today, for users of Windows Vista and XP, who won't be able to take advantage of TRIM. After being flashed with the new firmware update, Intel's 34nm Gen 2 X25-M 160GB drive offered <a href="http://hothardware.com/Articles/Intel-34nm-X25M-Gen-2-SSD-Performance-Update/?page=4">increased performance</a> in a myriad of benchmarks shown here, and sequential write performance was increased on the order of 30\%."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>MojoKid writes " Intel has just released a firmware update for their 34nm Gen X25-M solid state drives that not only boosts sequential write performance , but adds support for the TRIM command as well .
A performance optimization tool is also being released today , for users of Windows Vista and XP , who wo n't be able to take advantage of TRIM .
After being flashed with the new firmware update , Intel 's 34nm Gen 2 X25-M 160GB drive offered increased performance in a myriad of benchmarks shown here , and sequential write performance was increased on the order of 30 \ % .
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<sentencetext>MojoKid writes "Intel has just released a firmware update for their 34nm Gen X25-M solid state drives that not only boosts sequential write performance, but adds support for the TRIM command as well.
A performance optimization tool is also being released today, for users of Windows Vista and XP, who won't be able to take advantage of TRIM.
After being flashed with the new firmware update, Intel's 34nm Gen 2 X25-M 160GB drive offered increased performance in a myriad of benchmarks shown here, and sequential write performance was increased on the order of 30\%.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29884109</id>
	<title>Re:Great</title>
	<author>sverdlichenko</author>
	<datestamp>1256659740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>NTFS in Windows 7 does. Read the links.</htmltext>
<tokenext>NTFS in Windows 7 does .
Read the links .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NTFS in Windows 7 does.
Read the links.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29883793</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29884295</id>
	<title>Intel change is great, but...</title>
	<author>jackb\_guppy</author>
	<datestamp>1256660520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have found for my kids ACER Netbooks with XP HOME that Flashfire "fixes" the slow down. <a href="http://flashfire.org/" title="flashfire.org">http://flashfire.org/</a> [flashfire.org]<br>Was night and day during start up alone.  Improved Firefox even after cutting most of it cache storage,</p><p>Also found running defrags helped a lot.  Using both IO BIT Smartdefrag <a href="http://www.iobit.com/iobitsmartdefrag.html" title="iobit.com">http://www.iobit.com/iobitsmartdefrag.html</a> [iobit.com] and Page Defrag <a href="http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897426.aspx" title="microsoft.com">http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897426.aspx</a> [microsoft.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have found for my kids ACER Netbooks with XP HOME that Flashfire " fixes " the slow down .
http : //flashfire.org/ [ flashfire.org ] Was night and day during start up alone .
Improved Firefox even after cutting most of it cache storage,Also found running defrags helped a lot .
Using both IO BIT Smartdefrag http : //www.iobit.com/iobitsmartdefrag.html [ iobit.com ] and Page Defrag http : //technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897426.aspx [ microsoft.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have found for my kids ACER Netbooks with XP HOME that Flashfire "fixes" the slow down.
http://flashfire.org/ [flashfire.org]Was night and day during start up alone.
Improved Firefox even after cutting most of it cache storage,Also found running defrags helped a lot.
Using both IO BIT Smartdefrag http://www.iobit.com/iobitsmartdefrag.html [iobit.com] and Page Defrag http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897426.aspx [microsoft.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29894279</id>
	<title>How do people update firmware?</title>
	<author>Ilgaz</author>
	<datestamp>1256722080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do you put some kind of file to specific location like Pro Cameras etc? I mean, it doesn't offer a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.exe and say "run it" right? I am especially concerned since it is Intel , the CPU manufacturer we talk about.</p><p>I have some plans for SSD'ing couple of PPC based laptops we have since they are mostly used like a Network client so I don't care about disk space. When I figured how much these devices rely on firmware updates, I had to ask. I hope we don't "unshield" or even worse, "plug it to a PC" to make firmware update work.</p><p>ps: Yes, I know these things rely on host adapter, I care mainly about battery life and durability. I don't expect 100MB/sec on G4.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you put some kind of file to specific location like Pro Cameras etc ?
I mean , it does n't offer a .exe and say " run it " right ?
I am especially concerned since it is Intel , the CPU manufacturer we talk about.I have some plans for SSD'ing couple of PPC based laptops we have since they are mostly used like a Network client so I do n't care about disk space .
When I figured how much these devices rely on firmware updates , I had to ask .
I hope we do n't " unshield " or even worse , " plug it to a PC " to make firmware update work.ps : Yes , I know these things rely on host adapter , I care mainly about battery life and durability .
I do n't expect 100MB/sec on G4 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you put some kind of file to specific location like Pro Cameras etc?
I mean, it doesn't offer a .exe and say "run it" right?
I am especially concerned since it is Intel , the CPU manufacturer we talk about.I have some plans for SSD'ing couple of PPC based laptops we have since they are mostly used like a Network client so I don't care about disk space.
When I figured how much these devices rely on firmware updates, I had to ask.
I hope we don't "unshield" or even worse, "plug it to a PC" to make firmware update work.ps: Yes, I know these things rely on host adapter, I care mainly about battery life and durability.
I don't expect 100MB/sec on G4.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29884217</id>
	<title>TRIM</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256660160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Those intel drives will TRIM down your wallet too.</p><p>I can't wait for the price to drop, those 160GB intels were supposed to be $450....Newegg has them for around $650<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:\</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Those intel drives will TRIM down your wallet too.I ca n't wait for the price to drop , those 160GB intels were supposed to be $ 450....Newegg has them for around $ 650 : \</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those intel drives will TRIM down your wallet too.I can't wait for the price to drop, those 160GB intels were supposed to be $450....Newegg has them for around $650 :\</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29886997</id>
	<title>Re:OSX ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256672340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://lists.apple.com/archives/Darwin-dev/2009/Oct/msg00158.html" title="apple.com" rel="nofollow">Your answer, straight from the horse's mouth.</a> [apple.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your answer , straight from the horse 's mouth .
[ apple.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your answer, straight from the horse's mouth.
[apple.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29884091</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29884619</id>
	<title>Re:TRIM</title>
	<author>Tumbleweed</author>
	<datestamp>1256661900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I can't wait for the price to drop, those 160GB intels were supposed to be $450....Newegg has them for around $650<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:\<br></i></p><p>Keep in mind NewEgg is one of the worst places to buy an SSD - for some reason their prices are quite a bit higher than others. It pays to shop around when dealing with SSDs. I dunno what NewEgg's problem is on this, but it's pissing a lot of people off.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't wait for the price to drop , those 160GB intels were supposed to be $ 450....Newegg has them for around $ 650 : \ Keep in mind NewEgg is one of the worst places to buy an SSD - for some reason their prices are quite a bit higher than others .
It pays to shop around when dealing with SSDs .
I dunno what NewEgg 's problem is on this , but it 's pissing a lot of people off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't wait for the price to drop, those 160GB intels were supposed to be $450....Newegg has them for around $650 :\Keep in mind NewEgg is one of the worst places to buy an SSD - for some reason their prices are quite a bit higher than others.
It pays to shop around when dealing with SSDs.
I dunno what NewEgg's problem is on this, but it's pissing a lot of people off.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29884217</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29890061</id>
	<title>A word to the wise!</title>
	<author>rabtech</author>
	<datestamp>1256641320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><b>WARNING</b>: Intel has pulled the firmware because there appears to be a chance of bricking the drive. Users report that the firmware updates successfully, but after rebooting Windows detects changed hardware, installs drivers, and after rebooting again the system BSODs and/or won't boot at all. The drives appear to be bricked unless reformatted.</p><p>I have one of these drives and I'm holding off until the dust settles.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WARNING : Intel has pulled the firmware because there appears to be a chance of bricking the drive .
Users report that the firmware updates successfully , but after rebooting Windows detects changed hardware , installs drivers , and after rebooting again the system BSODs and/or wo n't boot at all .
The drives appear to be bricked unless reformatted.I have one of these drives and I 'm holding off until the dust settles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WARNING: Intel has pulled the firmware because there appears to be a chance of bricking the drive.
Users report that the firmware updates successfully, but after rebooting Windows detects changed hardware, installs drivers, and after rebooting again the system BSODs and/or won't boot at all.
The drives appear to be bricked unless reformatted.I have one of these drives and I'm holding off until the dust settles.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29884111</id>
	<title>Re:Great</title>
	<author>bill\_mcgonigle</author>
	<datestamp>1256659740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> <i>Now what file systems support TRIM?</i></p></div> </blockquote><p>ext4, but the block layer needs to handle it too.  There was some LKML traffic a couple months ago about smart designs for this - it's probably not in current distro releases yet.  TRIM can be very expensive if not well-optimized (the non-optimized demo took a half hour to delete a kernel tree with TRIM on a supporting SSD) and the right thing to do may depend on drive model capabilities.  The moral is it's not worth doing poorly, and doing it right may require some re-plumbing.  But the upside is that Linux ought to be very fast and efficient about it when it lands because smart folks are making sure it ships when it's ready, not by some arbitrary date.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now what file systems support TRIM ?
ext4 , but the block layer needs to handle it too .
There was some LKML traffic a couple months ago about smart designs for this - it 's probably not in current distro releases yet .
TRIM can be very expensive if not well-optimized ( the non-optimized demo took a half hour to delete a kernel tree with TRIM on a supporting SSD ) and the right thing to do may depend on drive model capabilities .
The moral is it 's not worth doing poorly , and doing it right may require some re-plumbing .
But the upside is that Linux ought to be very fast and efficient about it when it lands because smart folks are making sure it ships when it 's ready , not by some arbitrary date .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Now what file systems support TRIM?
ext4, but the block layer needs to handle it too.
There was some LKML traffic a couple months ago about smart designs for this - it's probably not in current distro releases yet.
TRIM can be very expensive if not well-optimized (the non-optimized demo took a half hour to delete a kernel tree with TRIM on a supporting SSD) and the right thing to do may depend on drive model capabilities.
The moral is it's not worth doing poorly, and doing it right may require some re-plumbing.
But the upside is that Linux ought to be very fast and efficient about it when it lands because smart folks are making sure it ships when it's ready, not by some arbitrary date.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29883793</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29884473</id>
	<title>Re:TRIM</title>
	<author>clarkn0va</author>
	<datestamp>1256661300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The first mistake most people make when talking about SSDs vs HDDs is comparing cost/GB. SSDs are not for storing data. They're for installing your OS and programs, while your data goes to the fileserver or the secondary drive in the workstation. Almost every system builder I've talked to fails to recognize that for your typical home or office user, spending an extra $100-200 on a solid-state system drive, even if it means reducing your CPU budget correspondingly, will show huge gains in system usability and responsiveness. I've built several systems on this philosophy and my customers couldn't be happier.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The first mistake most people make when talking about SSDs vs HDDs is comparing cost/GB .
SSDs are not for storing data .
They 're for installing your OS and programs , while your data goes to the fileserver or the secondary drive in the workstation .
Almost every system builder I 've talked to fails to recognize that for your typical home or office user , spending an extra $ 100-200 on a solid-state system drive , even if it means reducing your CPU budget correspondingly , will show huge gains in system usability and responsiveness .
I 've built several systems on this philosophy and my customers could n't be happier .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The first mistake most people make when talking about SSDs vs HDDs is comparing cost/GB.
SSDs are not for storing data.
They're for installing your OS and programs, while your data goes to the fileserver or the secondary drive in the workstation.
Almost every system builder I've talked to fails to recognize that for your typical home or office user, spending an extra $100-200 on a solid-state system drive, even if it means reducing your CPU budget correspondingly, will show huge gains in system usability and responsiveness.
I've built several systems on this philosophy and my customers couldn't be happier.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29884217</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29902371</id>
	<title>Re:They still are crap compared to Fusion-io</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256723040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Sure, if you're willing to pay $3500 for the same 80GB that you can get for $350 on the Intel drive you had better expect it to perform faster.  It's literally an order of magnitude more expensive!</p></div><p>To be fair the Fusion-IO xtreme does 700MB/s transfer rate for $895. If we compare this to the cost of getting 4x the Intel SSD in raid which gives you 800MB/s costing 4x$225 = $900 + the power requirements of running four drives.....</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure , if you 're willing to pay $ 3500 for the same 80GB that you can get for $ 350 on the Intel drive you had better expect it to perform faster .
It 's literally an order of magnitude more expensive ! To be fair the Fusion-IO xtreme does 700MB/s transfer rate for $ 895 .
If we compare this to the cost of getting 4x the Intel SSD in raid which gives you 800MB/s costing 4x $ 225 = $ 900 + the power requirements of running four drives.... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure, if you're willing to pay $3500 for the same 80GB that you can get for $350 on the Intel drive you had better expect it to perform faster.
It's literally an order of magnitude more expensive!To be fair the Fusion-IO xtreme does 700MB/s transfer rate for $895.
If we compare this to the cost of getting 4x the Intel SSD in raid which gives you 800MB/s costing 4x$225 = $900 + the power requirements of running four drives.....
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29883863</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29883863</id>
	<title>Re:They still are crap compared to Fusion-io</title>
	<author>jandrese</author>
	<datestamp>1256658600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sure, if you're willing to pay $3500 for the same 80GB that you can get for $350 on the Intel drive you had better expect it to perform faster.  It's literally an order of magnitude more expensive!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure , if you 're willing to pay $ 3500 for the same 80GB that you can get for $ 350 on the Intel drive you had better expect it to perform faster .
It 's literally an order of magnitude more expensive !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure, if you're willing to pay $3500 for the same 80GB that you can get for $350 on the Intel drive you had better expect it to perform faster.
It's literally an order of magnitude more expensive!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29883813</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29884319</id>
	<title>Re:Great</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256660640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>pussyfs supports trim.  Unfortunately, a lot of girls don't bother. You shave your legs, you shave your amrpits, why stop there?</htmltext>
<tokenext>pussyfs supports trim .
Unfortunately , a lot of girls do n't bother .
You shave your legs , you shave your amrpits , why stop there ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>pussyfs supports trim.
Unfortunately, a lot of girls don't bother.
You shave your legs, you shave your amrpits, why stop there?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29883793</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29883815</id>
	<title>Happier</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256658300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought I couldn't be happier with my 80GB X25-M (34nm).</p><p>Easily worth the 220 &euro;.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought I could n't be happier with my 80GB X25-M ( 34nm ) .Easily worth the 220    .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought I couldn't be happier with my 80GB X25-M (34nm).Easily worth the 220 €.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29884041</id>
	<title>Direct link to update tool</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256659380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here:<br><a href="http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail\_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&amp;DwnldID=17485" title="intel.com" rel="nofollow">http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail\_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&amp;DwnldID=17485</a> [intel.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here : http : //downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail \ _Desc.aspx ? agr = Y&amp;DwnldID = 17485 [ intel.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here:http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail\_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&amp;DwnldID=17485 [intel.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29888001</id>
	<title>Re:TRIM</title>
	<author>csartanis</author>
	<datestamp>1256676480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is this a troll?  I've never heard this before (I'm in the midwest)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is this a troll ?
I 've never heard this before ( I 'm in the midwest )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is this a troll?
I've never heard this before (I'm in the midwest)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29886577</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29886627</id>
	<title>Re:TRIM</title>
	<author>Twinbee</author>
	<datestamp>1256670780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wouldn't it just be better to get a quadcore, with around 16 - 64 GB of memory, and rarely reset? After a day or two wouldn't this perform even more snappily than the SSD?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would n't it just be better to get a quadcore , with around 16 - 64 GB of memory , and rarely reset ?
After a day or two would n't this perform even more snappily than the SSD ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wouldn't it just be better to get a quadcore, with around 16 - 64 GB of memory, and rarely reset?
After a day or two wouldn't this perform even more snappily than the SSD?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29884473</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29884215</id>
	<title>Re:They still are crap compared to Fusion-io</title>
	<author>jandrese</author>
	<datestamp>1256660160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Er, the Fusion-IO card sits off of the PCIe bus, so SATA speeds are not a limiting factor for it.  The primary limiting factor is that it is catastrophically expensive per GB.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Er , the Fusion-IO card sits off of the PCIe bus , so SATA speeds are not a limiting factor for it .
The primary limiting factor is that it is catastrophically expensive per GB .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Er, the Fusion-IO card sits off of the PCIe bus, so SATA speeds are not a limiting factor for it.
The primary limiting factor is that it is catastrophically expensive per GB.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29884097</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29884205</id>
	<title>What about reliability?</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1256660160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does this do anything to address that current SSDs will only last for years and years under most workstation loads?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does this do anything to address that current SSDs will only last for years and years under most workstation loads ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does this do anything to address that current SSDs will only last for years and years under most workstation loads?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29884195</id>
	<title>call me bitter</title>
	<author>nimbius</author>
	<datestamp>1256660100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>but this is intel.  i suspect the new found performance in SSD's is directly proportional to market and revenue factors.  this company has been burned in the past using tactics that amount to "some ingenious breakthrough in technology" thats obviously been squandered and secluded for 7 months.  <br> <br>
hang the customers out to yank away at them like cash cows, and another AMD will come along and punish you accordingly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>but this is intel .
i suspect the new found performance in SSD 's is directly proportional to market and revenue factors .
this company has been burned in the past using tactics that amount to " some ingenious breakthrough in technology " thats obviously been squandered and secluded for 7 months .
hang the customers out to yank away at them like cash cows , and another AMD will come along and punish you accordingly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but this is intel.
i suspect the new found performance in SSD's is directly proportional to market and revenue factors.
this company has been burned in the past using tactics that amount to "some ingenious breakthrough in technology" thats obviously been squandered and secluded for 7 months.
hang the customers out to yank away at them like cash cows, and another AMD will come along and punish you accordingly.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29883813</id>
	<title>They still are crap compared to Fusion-io</title>
	<author>mr\_stinky\_britches</author>
	<datestamp>1256658300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What the article fails to mention, is that Fusion-io devices still clobber these things in terms of performance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What the article fails to mention , is that Fusion-io devices still clobber these things in terms of performance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What the article fails to mention, is that Fusion-io devices still clobber these things in terms of performance.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29886577</id>
	<title>Re:TRIM</title>
	<author>bughunter</author>
	<datestamp>1256670540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apparently that sense of the word 'trim' is regional.</p><p>I grew up in Florida and Colorado, and wasn't aware of that meaning until one day a couple years ago, when I was discussing my afternoon's plans with my wife, "I'll go to the grocery for some things, but I think I'll stop in for a trim first."</p><p>My wife tittered, "Don't say that!"</p><p>Here, I was utterly confused by her reaction, "Say what?"</p><p>She blushed and said "You know."

</p><p>At this point I was becoming disoriented, because my wife is seldom either obtuse or squeamish. "What!"  </p><p>"You don't know?"</p><p>I began to feel like the Knights of the Round Table saying 'it' to the Knights of Ni. "I really don't know."  </p><p>She whispered, "'Trim!'"</p><p>I boggled for a beat.  "I'm going to go to the barber for a trim.  What did you think I meant?"</p><p>More girlish giggling, "You know!"</p><p>"No, I don't.  What else does 'trim' mean to you, besides a haircut, or lawn maintenance?"</p><p>She finally realized I was serious, and said, "It's slang for the female genitals!" like I'm an idiot.  Which is a much more familiar tone.  </p><p>But I began imagining the etymology of such a usage, and began to picture a well-trimmed female pubic area.  "You mean, like in trimmed pubic hair?"</p><p>More blushing and giggling, "Yes!"</p><p>Now I was intrigued, "Wow.  I've never heard 'trim' used like that before; it must be a West Coast thing.  So, is 'trim' used as a noun, like 'I want some of that trim?'  Or is 'trim' a verb, as in 'I'd trim that?'  Or maybe an adjective, as in 'trim pie?'"  Every time I said the word, she flinched or tittered or giggled.  The Pythonesque feeling returned.</p><p>"It's a noun, I guess.  The boys in college used it all the time."  Of course, this was taking all the fun out of it for her, but now that I'd found a new button to press, my fun was just starting...</p><p>[This reminds me of the time I illustrated the phrase 'tongue in cheek' by poking out my right cheek with my tongue... and nearly got fired for sexual harrassment.  But that's another post.]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apparently that sense of the word 'trim ' is regional.I grew up in Florida and Colorado , and was n't aware of that meaning until one day a couple years ago , when I was discussing my afternoon 's plans with my wife , " I 'll go to the grocery for some things , but I think I 'll stop in for a trim first .
" My wife tittered , " Do n't say that !
" Here , I was utterly confused by her reaction , " Say what ?
" She blushed and said " You know .
" At this point I was becoming disoriented , because my wife is seldom either obtuse or squeamish .
" What ! " " You do n't know ?
" I began to feel like the Knights of the Round Table saying 'it ' to the Knights of Ni .
" I really do n't know .
" She whispered , " 'Trim !
' " I boggled for a beat .
" I 'm going to go to the barber for a trim .
What did you think I meant ?
" More girlish giggling , " You know !
" " No , I do n't .
What else does 'trim ' mean to you , besides a haircut , or lawn maintenance ?
" She finally realized I was serious , and said , " It 's slang for the female genitals !
" like I 'm an idiot .
Which is a much more familiar tone .
But I began imagining the etymology of such a usage , and began to picture a well-trimmed female pubic area .
" You mean , like in trimmed pubic hair ?
" More blushing and giggling , " Yes !
" Now I was intrigued , " Wow .
I 've never heard 'trim ' used like that before ; it must be a West Coast thing .
So , is 'trim ' used as a noun , like 'I want some of that trim ?
' Or is 'trim ' a verb , as in 'I 'd trim that ?
' Or maybe an adjective , as in 'trim pie ?
' " Every time I said the word , she flinched or tittered or giggled .
The Pythonesque feeling returned .
" It 's a noun , I guess .
The boys in college used it all the time .
" Of course , this was taking all the fun out of it for her , but now that I 'd found a new button to press , my fun was just starting... [ This reminds me of the time I illustrated the phrase 'tongue in cheek ' by poking out my right cheek with my tongue... and nearly got fired for sexual harrassment .
But that 's another post .
]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apparently that sense of the word 'trim' is regional.I grew up in Florida and Colorado, and wasn't aware of that meaning until one day a couple years ago, when I was discussing my afternoon's plans with my wife, "I'll go to the grocery for some things, but I think I'll stop in for a trim first.
"My wife tittered, "Don't say that!
"Here, I was utterly confused by her reaction, "Say what?
"She blushed and said "You know.
"

At this point I was becoming disoriented, because my wife is seldom either obtuse or squeamish.
"What!"  "You don't know?
"I began to feel like the Knights of the Round Table saying 'it' to the Knights of Ni.
"I really don't know.
"  She whispered, "'Trim!
'"I boggled for a beat.
"I'm going to go to the barber for a trim.
What did you think I meant?
"More girlish giggling, "You know!
""No, I don't.
What else does 'trim' mean to you, besides a haircut, or lawn maintenance?
"She finally realized I was serious, and said, "It's slang for the female genitals!
" like I'm an idiot.
Which is a much more familiar tone.
But I began imagining the etymology of such a usage, and began to picture a well-trimmed female pubic area.
"You mean, like in trimmed pubic hair?
"More blushing and giggling, "Yes!
"Now I was intrigued, "Wow.
I've never heard 'trim' used like that before; it must be a West Coast thing.
So, is 'trim' used as a noun, like 'I want some of that trim?
'  Or is 'trim' a verb, as in 'I'd trim that?
'  Or maybe an adjective, as in 'trim pie?
'"  Every time I said the word, she flinched or tittered or giggled.
The Pythonesque feeling returned.
"It's a noun, I guess.
The boys in college used it all the time.
"  Of course, this was taking all the fun out of it for her, but now that I'd found a new button to press, my fun was just starting...[This reminds me of the time I illustrated the phrase 'tongue in cheek' by poking out my right cheek with my tongue... and nearly got fired for sexual harrassment.
But that's another post.
]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29884037</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29885167</id>
	<title>Re:TRIM</title>
	<author>adisakp</author>
	<datestamp>1256664600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I paid some big $$$ for two of the original first generation Intel 160GB drives which I have in a RAID 0 configuration.  I'm a bit disappointed that Intel will not be offering a BIOS update to support TRIM commands for the G1 drives.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I paid some big $ $ $ for two of the original first generation Intel 160GB drives which I have in a RAID 0 configuration .
I 'm a bit disappointed that Intel will not be offering a BIOS update to support TRIM commands for the G1 drives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I paid some big $$$ for two of the original first generation Intel 160GB drives which I have in a RAID 0 configuration.
I'm a bit disappointed that Intel will not be offering a BIOS update to support TRIM commands for the G1 drives.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29884217</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29884091</id>
	<title>OSX ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256659680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>What is the state of OS X in relation to TRIM? Anybody?</htmltext>
<tokenext>What is the state of OS X in relation to TRIM ?
Anybody ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is the state of OS X in relation to TRIM?
Anybody?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29889155</id>
	<title>Re:They still are crap compared to Fusion-io</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256637840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Small file IOPS with the new firmware took a major jump and is getting close to the IODrive. The article at PC Perspective was the only one I saw to point that out though.</p><p>http://www.pcper.com</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Small file IOPS with the new firmware took a major jump and is getting close to the IODrive .
The article at PC Perspective was the only one I saw to point that out though.http : //www.pcper.com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Small file IOPS with the new firmware took a major jump and is getting close to the IODrive.
The article at PC Perspective was the only one I saw to point that out though.http://www.pcper.com</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29883863</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29883943</id>
	<title>Storage Driver</title>
	<author>Spad</author>
	<datestamp>1256658900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For the time being, however, you're stuck using the Microsoft Storage Controller drivers if you want TRIM support because Intel's don't support it (yet - they're supposed to have new drivers out "soon" that will).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For the time being , however , you 're stuck using the Microsoft Storage Controller drivers if you want TRIM support because Intel 's do n't support it ( yet - they 're supposed to have new drivers out " soon " that will ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For the time being, however, you're stuck using the Microsoft Storage Controller drivers if you want TRIM support because Intel's don't support it (yet - they're supposed to have new drivers out "soon" that will).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29889421</id>
	<title>New firmware was pulled from Intel website</title>
	<author>lbschenkel</author>
	<datestamp>1256638920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Intel pulled the new firmware from its website because it would brick the drive in some machines with Windows 7:
<a href="http://www.buzzbox.com/preview/intel\_pulls\_ssd\_toolbox\_for\_killing\_drives\_under\_windows\_7/?id=154783" title="buzzbox.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.buzzbox.com/preview/intel\_pulls\_ssd\_toolbox\_for\_killing\_drives\_under\_windows\_7/?id=154783</a> [buzzbox.com]
<br> <br>
I have Windows 7 and a X25-M G2 that I was going to update but I gave up after I found via Google a lot of forums posts from people who bricked their drives with the new firmware.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Intel pulled the new firmware from its website because it would brick the drive in some machines with Windows 7 : http : //www.buzzbox.com/preview/intel \ _pulls \ _ssd \ _toolbox \ _for \ _killing \ _drives \ _under \ _windows \ _7/ ? id = 154783 [ buzzbox.com ] I have Windows 7 and a X25-M G2 that I was going to update but I gave up after I found via Google a lot of forums posts from people who bricked their drives with the new firmware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Intel pulled the new firmware from its website because it would brick the drive in some machines with Windows 7:
http://www.buzzbox.com/preview/intel\_pulls\_ssd\_toolbox\_for\_killing\_drives\_under\_windows\_7/?id=154783 [buzzbox.com]
 
I have Windows 7 and a X25-M G2 that I was going to update but I gave up after I found via Google a lot of forums posts from people who bricked their drives with the new firmware.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29884015</id>
	<title>Re:They still are crap compared to Fusion-io</title>
	<author>Happy Nuclear Death</author>
	<datestamp>1256659260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's a ridiculous comparison.  FusionIO cards are not anywhere near the same class at the Intel drives.  They have a certain purpose and are geared toward a certain market.  The Intel SSDs are a completely different beast.  You can't very well use a PCI card in a notebook, which is a typical host for SSDs.

The Intel SSDs are coming pretty close to maxing out the SATA 2 port, and that's all that matters for consumer-level systems.  It's pretty frelling impressive.  I, for one, welcome our performance-improving firmware overlords!</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a ridiculous comparison .
FusionIO cards are not anywhere near the same class at the Intel drives .
They have a certain purpose and are geared toward a certain market .
The Intel SSDs are a completely different beast .
You ca n't very well use a PCI card in a notebook , which is a typical host for SSDs .
The Intel SSDs are coming pretty close to maxing out the SATA 2 port , and that 's all that matters for consumer-level systems .
It 's pretty frelling impressive .
I , for one , welcome our performance-improving firmware overlords !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a ridiculous comparison.
FusionIO cards are not anywhere near the same class at the Intel drives.
They have a certain purpose and are geared toward a certain market.
The Intel SSDs are a completely different beast.
You can't very well use a PCI card in a notebook, which is a typical host for SSDs.
The Intel SSDs are coming pretty close to maxing out the SATA 2 port, and that's all that matters for consumer-level systems.
It's pretty frelling impressive.
I, for one, welcome our performance-improving firmware overlords!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29883813</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29884605</id>
	<title>Feels like x-mas</title>
	<author>zipherx</author>
	<datestamp>1256661840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, i just got a 160GiB G2 less than a month ago, so this is surely really nice, thanks Intel! <br>
It was already very nice, and it did not take much time to get used to the awesome speed of things, especially when I use vmware workstation with ubuntu to administer my nix boxes from. It starts in 2 seconds, and resume the vm in afew seconds aswell, really great for that!<br> I hope the update process is not to difficult, and data destructive... maybe i should read TFA?!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , i just got a 160GiB G2 less than a month ago , so this is surely really nice , thanks Intel !
It was already very nice , and it did not take much time to get used to the awesome speed of things , especially when I use vmware workstation with ubuntu to administer my nix boxes from .
It starts in 2 seconds , and resume the vm in afew seconds aswell , really great for that !
I hope the update process is not to difficult , and data destructive... maybe i should read TFA ? !
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, i just got a 160GiB G2 less than a month ago, so this is surely really nice, thanks Intel!
It was already very nice, and it did not take much time to get used to the awesome speed of things, especially when I use vmware workstation with ubuntu to administer my nix boxes from.
It starts in 2 seconds, and resume the vm in afew seconds aswell, really great for that!
I hope the update process is not to difficult, and data destructive... maybe i should read TFA?!
:)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29884763</id>
	<title>Re:Intel change is great, but...</title>
	<author>Fross</author>
	<datestamp>1256662500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You should not defrag an SSD.  It won't give a performance boost, and will just contribute to wearing the drive down.  Fragmentation is only an issue where access is not truly random, as it is with an SSD.</p><p>Example discussion: <a href="http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/page-246283\_14\_0.html" title="tomshardware.co.uk">http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/page-246283\_14\_0.html</a> [tomshardware.co.uk]</p><p>The controller should do a decent enough job of spreading out the data for you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You should not defrag an SSD .
It wo n't give a performance boost , and will just contribute to wearing the drive down .
Fragmentation is only an issue where access is not truly random , as it is with an SSD.Example discussion : http : //www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/page-246283 \ _14 \ _0.html [ tomshardware.co.uk ] The controller should do a decent enough job of spreading out the data for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You should not defrag an SSD.
It won't give a performance boost, and will just contribute to wearing the drive down.
Fragmentation is only an issue where access is not truly random, as it is with an SSD.Example discussion: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/page-246283\_14\_0.html [tomshardware.co.uk]The controller should do a decent enough job of spreading out the data for you.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29884295</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29889041</id>
	<title>Bricked 30\% faster than before!</title>
	<author>ozbird</author>
	<datestamp>1256637300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://communities.intel.com/thread/7693?tstart=0" title="intel.com">Oops.</a> [intel.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oops .
[ intel.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oops.
[intel.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29883951</id>
	<title>Samsung is lagging</title>
	<author>SanityInAnarchy</author>
	<datestamp>1256658900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My fault for being an early adopter, but my Dell XPS with, according to hdparm:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Model=SAMSUNG SSD RBX Series 128GB M          , FwRev=VAM05D1Q, SerialNo=DFF1L0A835SE835A1948</p></div><p>This neither seems to support trim nor seems to have any firmware upgrades at all.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>My fault for being an early adopter , but my Dell XPS with , according to hdparm : Model = SAMSUNG SSD RBX Series 128GB M , FwRev = VAM05D1Q , SerialNo = DFF1L0A835SE835A1948This neither seems to support trim nor seems to have any firmware upgrades at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My fault for being an early adopter, but my Dell XPS with, according to hdparm:Model=SAMSUNG SSD RBX Series 128GB M          , FwRev=VAM05D1Q, SerialNo=DFF1L0A835SE835A1948This neither seems to support trim nor seems to have any firmware upgrades at all.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29887881</id>
	<title>Download Not Available?</title>
	<author>trickyD1ck</author>
	<datestamp>1256676000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>At least not with the avertised link: <a href="http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail\_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&amp;ProdId=3114&amp;DwnldID=17485&amp;lang=eng" title="intel.com" rel="nofollow">http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail\_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&amp;ProdId=3114&amp;DwnldID=17485&amp;lang=eng</a> [intel.com]
<br>
Am i missing something?
<br>
<br>
The "Intel SSD Toolbox" is also kind of unstable.</htmltext>
<tokenext>At least not with the avertised link : http : //downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail \ _Desc.aspx ? agr = Y&amp;ProdId = 3114&amp;DwnldID = 17485&amp;lang = eng [ intel.com ] Am i missing something ?
The " Intel SSD Toolbox " is also kind of unstable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least not with the avertised link: http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail\_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&amp;ProdId=3114&amp;DwnldID=17485&amp;lang=eng [intel.com]

Am i missing something?
The "Intel SSD Toolbox" is also kind of unstable.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29883807</id>
	<title>A better write up at anandtech</title>
	<author>Zebadias</author>
	<datestamp>1256658240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3667" title="anandtech.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3667</a> [anandtech.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx ? i = 3667 [ anandtech.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3667 [anandtech.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29887363</id>
	<title>Re:Samsung is lagging</title>
	<author>lukas84</author>
	<datestamp>1256673720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Firmware updates are, so far, only available for the high performance drives. Intel's drives, OCZ's Vertex series, etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Firmware updates are , so far , only available for the high performance drives .
Intel 's drives , OCZ 's Vertex series , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Firmware updates are, so far, only available for the high performance drives.
Intel's drives, OCZ's Vertex series, etc.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29883951</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29884829</id>
	<title>TRIM vs. Zeros</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256662800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why didn't they just make it so that a block of all zeros is not actually stored on the device? Then you could just wipe your free space with zeros.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why did n't they just make it so that a block of all zeros is not actually stored on the device ?
Then you could just wipe your free space with zeros .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why didn't they just make it so that a block of all zeros is not actually stored on the device?
Then you could just wipe your free space with zeros.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29884037</id>
	<title>TRIM</title>
	<author>EriktheGreen</author>
	<datestamp>1256659320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>
Great, now even my computer is getting more TRIM than I am.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Great , now even my computer is getting more TRIM than I am .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Great, now even my computer is getting more TRIM than I am.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29885965</id>
	<title>Re:call me bitter</title>
	<author>AmiMoJo</author>
	<datestamp>1256667840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually Intel are pretty good on the tech side, but in true Dilbert style their marketing department screws the customers.</p><p>The P4 is a good example. For marketing reasons they built a CPU that could be clocked really high at the expense of performance. The P4 was a consumer product as it defined the headline speed of a PC. Motherboard chipsets, on the other hand, are never mentioned in consumer marketing blurb so those stayed mostly about the technology.</p><p>Intel NICs, chipsets and mobile CPUs have all been pretty good down the years. Anything designed with the minimum of interference from marketing has had pretty good performance and reliability, and these SSDs are no exception.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually Intel are pretty good on the tech side , but in true Dilbert style their marketing department screws the customers.The P4 is a good example .
For marketing reasons they built a CPU that could be clocked really high at the expense of performance .
The P4 was a consumer product as it defined the headline speed of a PC .
Motherboard chipsets , on the other hand , are never mentioned in consumer marketing blurb so those stayed mostly about the technology.Intel NICs , chipsets and mobile CPUs have all been pretty good down the years .
Anything designed with the minimum of interference from marketing has had pretty good performance and reliability , and these SSDs are no exception .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually Intel are pretty good on the tech side, but in true Dilbert style their marketing department screws the customers.The P4 is a good example.
For marketing reasons they built a CPU that could be clocked really high at the expense of performance.
The P4 was a consumer product as it defined the headline speed of a PC.
Motherboard chipsets, on the other hand, are never mentioned in consumer marketing blurb so those stayed mostly about the technology.Intel NICs, chipsets and mobile CPUs have all been pretty good down the years.
Anything designed with the minimum of interference from marketing has had pretty good performance and reliability, and these SSDs are no exception.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29888109</id>
	<title>Re:TRIM</title>
	<author>EvolutionsPeak</author>
	<datestamp>1256676840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hmmm, I've lived on the West Coast (California) my whole life and have never heard "trim" used that way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmmm , I 've lived on the West Coast ( California ) my whole life and have never heard " trim " used that way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmmm, I've lived on the West Coast (California) my whole life and have never heard "trim" used that way.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29886577</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29884869</id>
	<title>Re:TRIM</title>
	<author>CrackedButter</author>
	<datestamp>1256663040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What if in my case I'm about to remove the optical drive from my laptop and replace it with another HD.  If I setup the laptop so the SSD is the boot drive and the HD is the secondary, would I put my aperture library on the SSD or the HD?</htmltext>
<tokenext>What if in my case I 'm about to remove the optical drive from my laptop and replace it with another HD .
If I setup the laptop so the SSD is the boot drive and the HD is the secondary , would I put my aperture library on the SSD or the HD ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What if in my case I'm about to remove the optical drive from my laptop and replace it with another HD.
If I setup the laptop so the SSD is the boot drive and the HD is the secondary, would I put my aperture library on the SSD or the HD?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29884473</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29886289</id>
	<title>Re:They still are crap compared to Fusion-io</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256669520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just wanted to commend you for the proper use of the word "literally." It gives me hope that the word may somehow survive with its meaning unblemished.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just wanted to commend you for the proper use of the word " literally .
" It gives me hope that the word may somehow survive with its meaning unblemished .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just wanted to commend you for the proper use of the word "literally.
" It gives me hope that the word may somehow survive with its meaning unblemished.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29883863</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29885611</id>
	<title>Re:TRIM</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256666460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The first mistake most people make when talking about SSDs vs HDDs is comparing cost/GB. SSDs are not for storing data. They're for installing your OS and programs, while your data goes to the fileserver or the secondary drive in the workstation.</p></div><p>They're for whatever the fuck I want them for. Who are you to tell me how to use my SSD?</p><p>Anyway, the mistake is comparing cost/GB in a LINEAR way.  The first 10 GB is worth a lot more than the last 10GB on a 250 GB drive.  There is a utility curve for GBs (just like the money one).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The first mistake most people make when talking about SSDs vs HDDs is comparing cost/GB .
SSDs are not for storing data .
They 're for installing your OS and programs , while your data goes to the fileserver or the secondary drive in the workstation.They 're for whatever the fuck I want them for .
Who are you to tell me how to use my SSD ? Anyway , the mistake is comparing cost/GB in a LINEAR way .
The first 10 GB is worth a lot more than the last 10GB on a 250 GB drive .
There is a utility curve for GBs ( just like the money one ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The first mistake most people make when talking about SSDs vs HDDs is comparing cost/GB.
SSDs are not for storing data.
They're for installing your OS and programs, while your data goes to the fileserver or the secondary drive in the workstation.They're for whatever the fuck I want them for.
Who are you to tell me how to use my SSD?Anyway, the mistake is comparing cost/GB in a LINEAR way.
The first 10 GB is worth a lot more than the last 10GB on a 250 GB drive.
There is a utility curve for GBs (just like the money one).
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29883907</id>
	<title>Re:They still are crap compared to Fusion-io</title>
	<author>Spad</author>
	<datestamp>1256658720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And for only 10x the price...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And for only 10x the price.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And for only 10x the price...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29884311</id>
	<title>good info</title>
	<author>tomknl222</author>
	<datestamp>1256660580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am not a software person but I like to explore.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am not a software person but I like to explore .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am not a software person but I like to explore.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29884993</id>
	<title>and some people got a bricked ssd...</title>
	<author>A little Frenchie</author>
	<datestamp>1256663700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>more at <a href="http://communities.intel.com/community/tech/solidstate" title="intel.com" rel="nofollow">http://communities.intel.com/community/tech/solidstate</a> [intel.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>more at http : //communities.intel.com/community/tech/solidstate [ intel.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>more at http://communities.intel.com/community/tech/solidstate [intel.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29891077</id>
	<title>Re:They still are crap compared to Fusion-io</title>
	<author>BikeHelmet</author>
	<datestamp>1256646000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lost mods, but had to point this out.</p><p><a href="http://www.fusionio.com/ioxtreme/" title="fusionio.com">$895</a> [fusionio.com] is less than $3500.</p><p>Rather than costing 10x as much for 2-4x the performance, it costs 2.5x as much for 2-4x the performance. Plus it's enterprise-grade, so it has a leet wear-levelling algorithm. TRIM? Doesn't need it; the controller handles all that stuff, and is OS agnostic.</p><p>After factoring that in, what you should be saying is... why bother with an Intel drive when the ioDrive is so much better value?</p><p>But I laugh at all of you. I got 1.5TB for $80.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lost mods , but had to point this out. $ 895 [ fusionio.com ] is less than $ 3500.Rather than costing 10x as much for 2-4x the performance , it costs 2.5x as much for 2-4x the performance .
Plus it 's enterprise-grade , so it has a leet wear-levelling algorithm .
TRIM ? Does n't need it ; the controller handles all that stuff , and is OS agnostic.After factoring that in , what you should be saying is... why bother with an Intel drive when the ioDrive is so much better value ? But I laugh at all of you .
I got 1.5TB for $ 80 .
: P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lost mods, but had to point this out.$895 [fusionio.com] is less than $3500.Rather than costing 10x as much for 2-4x the performance, it costs 2.5x as much for 2-4x the performance.
Plus it's enterprise-grade, so it has a leet wear-levelling algorithm.
TRIM? Doesn't need it; the controller handles all that stuff, and is OS agnostic.After factoring that in, what you should be saying is... why bother with an Intel drive when the ioDrive is so much better value?But I laugh at all of you.
I got 1.5TB for $80.
:P</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29884097</id>
	<title>Re:They still are crap compared to Fusion-io</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256659680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe for write performance. For read performance, it looks like most SSDs are maxing out the 3Gbps SATA bus, so we'll need the 6Gbps goodness that <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial\_ATA#SATA\_6\_Gbit.2Fs\_.28Third\_generation.29" title="wikipedia.org">SATA 3.0</a> [wikipedia.org] offers for better read performance.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe for write performance .
For read performance , it looks like most SSDs are maxing out the 3Gbps SATA bus , so we 'll need the 6Gbps goodness that SATA 3.0 [ wikipedia.org ] offers for better read performance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe for write performance.
For read performance, it looks like most SSDs are maxing out the 3Gbps SATA bus, so we'll need the 6Gbps goodness that SATA 3.0 [wikipedia.org] offers for better read performance.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29883813</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29883981</id>
	<title>Re:Great</title>
	<author>tepples</author>
	<datestamp>1256659080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Now what file systems support TRIM?</p></div><p>Any file system whose checking program supports retrieving a list of cluster ranges that aren't in use can be made to support TRIM. These include any FS that uses a "bitmap" to record sector allocation (e.g. HFS or NTFS), as well as any that use a linked list of cluster numbers (e.g. FAT32, exFAT).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now what file systems support TRIM ? Any file system whose checking program supports retrieving a list of cluster ranges that are n't in use can be made to support TRIM .
These include any FS that uses a " bitmap " to record sector allocation ( e.g .
HFS or NTFS ) , as well as any that use a linked list of cluster numbers ( e.g .
FAT32 , exFAT ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now what file systems support TRIM?Any file system whose checking program supports retrieving a list of cluster ranges that aren't in use can be made to support TRIM.
These include any FS that uses a "bitmap" to record sector allocation (e.g.
HFS or NTFS), as well as any that use a linked list of cluster numbers (e.g.
FAT32, exFAT).
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29884831</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256662860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>TRIM, Schmrim...as long as I have sufficient IO write speed.</p><p>After two months of study I bought a Corsair P128GB.  The P series has the Samsung controller, no TRIM, almost as fast as intel and better value than intel, IMHO.</p><p>sudo hdparm -tT<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/dev/sda<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/dev/sda:<br>
&nbsp; Timing cached reads:   7974 MB in  1.99 seconds = 3999.00 MB/sec<br>
&nbsp; Timing buffered disk reads:  488 MB in  3.01 seconds = 162.14 MB/sec</p><p>This is after 6 months of use and being 75\% full.  Used to be ~190MB/sec.  Best seagate drive I had was 40MB/s.</p><p>Since Ubuntu comes out with a new release every 6 months, I just TRIM manually when installing a fresh version:</p><p>1.  run backup script<br>2.  boot ubuntu or knoppix live cd<br>3.  dd over ssh whole disk to NAS server (just incase I want it back exactly the way it was)<br>4.  dd<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/dev/zero to disk (this is the manual trim step)<br>5.  install new ubuntu<br>6.  profit!</p><p>I will never use a real disk again on my laptop.  Less power (fan only turns on when compiling), mind blowing speed, perfectly quiet and the hope (according to flash specs) that it will last 10-30 years before flash cell failure.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>TRIM , Schmrim...as long as I have sufficient IO write speed.After two months of study I bought a Corsair P128GB .
The P series has the Samsung controller , no TRIM , almost as fast as intel and better value than intel , IMHO.sudo hdparm -tT /dev/sda /dev/sda :   Timing cached reads : 7974 MB in 1.99 seconds = 3999.00 MB/sec   Timing buffered disk reads : 488 MB in 3.01 seconds = 162.14 MB/secThis is after 6 months of use and being 75 \ % full .
Used to be ~ 190MB/sec .
Best seagate drive I had was 40MB/s.Since Ubuntu comes out with a new release every 6 months , I just TRIM manually when installing a fresh version : 1. run backup script2 .
boot ubuntu or knoppix live cd3 .
dd over ssh whole disk to NAS server ( just incase I want it back exactly the way it was ) 4. dd /dev/zero to disk ( this is the manual trim step ) 5. install new ubuntu6 .
profit ! I will never use a real disk again on my laptop .
Less power ( fan only turns on when compiling ) , mind blowing speed , perfectly quiet and the hope ( according to flash specs ) that it will last 10-30 years before flash cell failure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TRIM, Schmrim...as long as I have sufficient IO write speed.After two months of study I bought a Corsair P128GB.
The P series has the Samsung controller, no TRIM, almost as fast as intel and better value than intel, IMHO.sudo hdparm -tT /dev/sda /dev/sda:
  Timing cached reads:   7974 MB in  1.99 seconds = 3999.00 MB/sec
  Timing buffered disk reads:  488 MB in  3.01 seconds = 162.14 MB/secThis is after 6 months of use and being 75\% full.
Used to be ~190MB/sec.
Best seagate drive I had was 40MB/s.Since Ubuntu comes out with a new release every 6 months, I just TRIM manually when installing a fresh version:1.  run backup script2.
boot ubuntu or knoppix live cd3.
dd over ssh whole disk to NAS server (just incase I want it back exactly the way it was)4.  dd /dev/zero to disk (this is the manual trim step)5.  install new ubuntu6.
profit!I will never use a real disk again on my laptop.
Less power (fan only turns on when compiling), mind blowing speed, perfectly quiet and the hope (according to flash specs) that it will last 10-30 years before flash cell failure.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29884253</id>
	<title>USB boot?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256660340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Anyone got any idea on how to boot the ISO from a USB drive? I don't have a CD/DVD drive<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone got any idea on how to boot the ISO from a USB drive ?
I do n't have a CD/DVD drive : (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone got any idea on how to boot the ISO from a USB drive?
I don't have a CD/DVD drive :(</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29884867</id>
	<title>Re:OSX ?</title>
	<author>ThousandStars</author>
	<datestamp>1256663040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>MIA. It's not being discussed publicly by anyone inside Apple, so far as I've seen.

Incidentally, all this SSD love makes me wish Apple would offer an SSD build-to-order option for those <a href="http://www.apple.com/imac/" title="apple.com">sweet new iMacs</a> [apple.com]. An external FW drive could house movies and music. That would be sweet and relatively easy for Apple: they already SSDs in <a href="http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/003195.html" title="upenn.edu">MacBooks Pro</a> [upenn.edu].</htmltext>
<tokenext>MIA .
It 's not being discussed publicly by anyone inside Apple , so far as I 've seen .
Incidentally , all this SSD love makes me wish Apple would offer an SSD build-to-order option for those sweet new iMacs [ apple.com ] .
An external FW drive could house movies and music .
That would be sweet and relatively easy for Apple : they already SSDs in MacBooks Pro [ upenn.edu ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MIA.
It's not being discussed publicly by anyone inside Apple, so far as I've seen.
Incidentally, all this SSD love makes me wish Apple would offer an SSD build-to-order option for those sweet new iMacs [apple.com].
An external FW drive could house movies and music.
That would be sweet and relatively easy for Apple: they already SSDs in MacBooks Pro [upenn.edu].</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29883793</id>
	<title>Great</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256658240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now what file systems support TRIM?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now what file systems support TRIM ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now what file systems support TRIM?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1427209.29884623</id>
	<title>Re:OSX ?</title>
	<author>alen</author>
	<datestamp>1256661900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>last I read it was in 10.6.1 or in the 10.6.2 developer preview</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>last I read it was in 10.6.1 or in the 10.6.2 developer preview</tokentext>
<sentencetext>last I read it was in 10.6.1 or in the 10.6.2 developer preview</sentencetext>
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