<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_10_27_1335227</id>
	<title>Comparing the Freedoms Offered By Maemo and Android</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1256651340000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"Maemo 5 and Android have received a lot of publicity lately, despite the former not even shipping yet.  Both have become famous partly for using the Linux kernel, but now that we have a choice, how do we pick one?  Is the issue as mundane as choosing your favorite desktop distribution, or is there a more significant difference?  This article <a href="http://cool900.blogspot.com/2009/10/comparing-freedom-on-maemo-and-android.html">compares the two from an end user and developer perspective</a>, emphasizing root access and ease of sharing code."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " Maemo 5 and Android have received a lot of publicity lately , despite the former not even shipping yet .
Both have become famous partly for using the Linux kernel , but now that we have a choice , how do we pick one ?
Is the issue as mundane as choosing your favorite desktop distribution , or is there a more significant difference ?
This article compares the two from an end user and developer perspective , emphasizing root access and ease of sharing code .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "Maemo 5 and Android have received a lot of publicity lately, despite the former not even shipping yet.
Both have become famous partly for using the Linux kernel, but now that we have a choice, how do we pick one?
Is the issue as mundane as choosing your favorite desktop distribution, or is there a more significant difference?
This article compares the two from an end user and developer perspective, emphasizing root access and ease of sharing code.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29901259</id>
	<title>Re:maymo? memo? meemo?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256761080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's actually MY-mo. Weird, I know...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's actually MY-mo .
Weird , I know.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's actually MY-mo.
Weird, I know...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29884827</id>
	<title>Re:Why does T-Mobile suck? There's a map for that.</title>
	<author>RivieraKid</author>
	<datestamp>1256662800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Ringtone lockouts have at least a token rationale: ASCAP and BMI (and foreign counterparts) have to be paid for public performances of major label music.</p></div><p>No they don't - ASCAP were recently handed their ass in their lawsuit against AT&amp;T</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ringtone lockouts have at least a token rationale : ASCAP and BMI ( and foreign counterparts ) have to be paid for public performances of major label music.No they do n't - ASCAP were recently handed their ass in their lawsuit against AT&amp;T</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ringtone lockouts have at least a token rationale: ASCAP and BMI (and foreign counterparts) have to be paid for public performances of major label music.No they don't - ASCAP were recently handed their ass in their lawsuit against AT&amp;T
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29885427</id>
	<title>Re:The writer is clueless about end users</title>
	<author>BlackCreek</author>
	<datestamp>1256665680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>  As a developer, I also care about the fact that the new MAEMO APIs are scheduled for deprecation before its release. Having a stable, well documented API matters. A lot.</p></div><p>Please elaborate on this?</p></div><p>I don't know if things got clearer since this article was written. Anyways, this is what I was referring to:<br>"""<br>Furthermore, the difficulty of the toolkit switch between Fremantle and Harmattan is compounded by the fact that Fremantle will break compatibility with the Maemo 4.x-series, thus forcing two consecutive rewrites onto developers."""</p><p><a href="http://lwn.net/Articles/341391/" title="lwn.net">http://lwn.net/Articles/341391/</a> [lwn.net]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a developer , I also care about the fact that the new MAEMO APIs are scheduled for deprecation before its release .
Having a stable , well documented API matters .
A lot.Please elaborate on this ? I do n't know if things got clearer since this article was written .
Anyways , this is what I was referring to : " " " Furthermore , the difficulty of the toolkit switch between Fremantle and Harmattan is compounded by the fact that Fremantle will break compatibility with the Maemo 4.x-series , thus forcing two consecutive rewrites onto developers .
" " " http : //lwn.net/Articles/341391/ [ lwn.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>  As a developer, I also care about the fact that the new MAEMO APIs are scheduled for deprecation before its release.
Having a stable, well documented API matters.
A lot.Please elaborate on this?I don't know if things got clearer since this article was written.
Anyways, this is what I was referring to:"""Furthermore, the difficulty of the toolkit switch between Fremantle and Harmattan is compounded by the fact that Fremantle will break compatibility with the Maemo 4.x-series, thus forcing two consecutive rewrites onto developers.
"""http://lwn.net/Articles/341391/ [lwn.net]
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29892835</id>
	<title>Re:Maemo wins hands down</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256659380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You, sir, are a freetard in every sense of the word. Actual users don't want or need X Windows or their cell phone, let alone the full desk top experience.<br>As proof, I offer Microsoft Windows, which managed to get to roughly 90\% market share without being X Windows, yet when that Windows desktop experience was ported to mobile devices, it failed dismally.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You , sir , are a freetard in every sense of the word .
Actual users do n't want or need X Windows or their cell phone , let alone the full desk top experience.As proof , I offer Microsoft Windows , which managed to get to roughly 90 \ % market share without being X Windows , yet when that Windows desktop experience was ported to mobile devices , it failed dismally .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You, sir, are a freetard in every sense of the word.
Actual users don't want or need X Windows or their cell phone, let alone the full desk top experience.As proof, I offer Microsoft Windows, which managed to get to roughly 90\% market share without being X Windows, yet when that Windows desktop experience was ported to mobile devices, it failed dismally.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29887757</id>
	<title>wtf is the point?</title>
	<author>magamiako1</author>
	<datestamp>1256675460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm an end user of most technology. I spend many of my days playing with things and always looking for ways to incorporate technology into my life. But the fact of the matter is that none of the things this guy rants on about is anything I care about. There are very clear limitations with everything this guy is saying.<br><br>I don't even jailbreak my iphone, to be honest. The ported applications are absolutely horrendous. They aren't even worth breaking open the phone--for free! Because iSSH is a better application, I'd rather pay $10 than go through the hassle of having to jailbreak my iphone just to use a "Free" ssh application.<br><br>That says a lot about the usability of the iphone in its default form.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm an end user of most technology .
I spend many of my days playing with things and always looking for ways to incorporate technology into my life .
But the fact of the matter is that none of the things this guy rants on about is anything I care about .
There are very clear limitations with everything this guy is saying.I do n't even jailbreak my iphone , to be honest .
The ported applications are absolutely horrendous .
They are n't even worth breaking open the phone--for free !
Because iSSH is a better application , I 'd rather pay $ 10 than go through the hassle of having to jailbreak my iphone just to use a " Free " ssh application.That says a lot about the usability of the iphone in its default form .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm an end user of most technology.
I spend many of my days playing with things and always looking for ways to incorporate technology into my life.
But the fact of the matter is that none of the things this guy rants on about is anything I care about.
There are very clear limitations with everything this guy is saying.I don't even jailbreak my iphone, to be honest.
The ported applications are absolutely horrendous.
They aren't even worth breaking open the phone--for free!
Because iSSH is a better application, I'd rather pay $10 than go through the hassle of having to jailbreak my iphone just to use a "Free" ssh application.That says a lot about the usability of the iphone in its default form.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883295</id>
	<title>Re:Not a chioce right now</title>
	<author>Canazza</author>
	<datestamp>1256655720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the N900 gets released 16th November</p><p><a href="http://www.product-reviews.net/2009/10/22/nokia-n900-uk-release-date-pushed-back-to-november/" title="product-reviews.net">http://www.product-reviews.net/2009/10/22/nokia-n900-uk-release-date-pushed-back-to-november/</a> [product-reviews.net]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the N900 gets released 16th Novemberhttp : //www.product-reviews.net/2009/10/22/nokia-n900-uk-release-date-pushed-back-to-november/ [ product-reviews.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the N900 gets released 16th Novemberhttp://www.product-reviews.net/2009/10/22/nokia-n900-uk-release-date-pushed-back-to-november/ [product-reviews.net]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29885753</id>
	<title>Re:How do I choose?</title>
	<author>badran</author>
	<datestamp>1256667000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My nokia 5700 S60 has this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My nokia 5700 S60 has this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My nokia 5700 S60 has this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883753</id>
	<title>Re:How do I choose?</title>
	<author>EQ</author>
	<datestamp>1256658060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"There are features on my S60 phone that I dont see anywhere else".  You don;t see them -- I have, have you looked at the N900/Maemo?  Sounds like the Maemo phone is what you want - it likely does all that because you have root access, and its Linux/GTK, so compile it yourself.  Plus it runs python no problem etc.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" There are features on my S60 phone that I dont see anywhere else " .
You don ; t see them -- I have , have you looked at the N900/Maemo ?
Sounds like the Maemo phone is what you want - it likely does all that because you have root access , and its Linux/GTK , so compile it yourself .
Plus it runs python no problem etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"There are features on my S60 phone that I dont see anywhere else".
You don;t see them -- I have, have you looked at the N900/Maemo?
Sounds like the Maemo phone is what you want - it likely does all that because you have root access, and its Linux/GTK, so compile it yourself.
Plus it runs python no problem etc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29889395</id>
	<title>Re:Freedom of choice is made for you, my friend</title>
	<author>eric\_herm</author>
	<datestamp>1256638800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, no, there is a lot of plateform running on OpenMoko phones ( Neo Freerunner ). To name a few, Hackable:1 , QTMoko, SHR, or debian, openwrt. And while most of them are quite new, QTMoko is using the qtopia project, the product of trolltech before nokia decided to let the community take care of it ( it was also called qt extended ).
And SHR was ported on htc phones, debian was ported on PalmPre.

And regarding Maemo, for something free and open, it has a lot of closed source software : <a href="http://wiki.maemo.org/Why\_the\_closed\_packages" title="maemo.org" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.maemo.org/Why\_the\_closed\_packages</a> [maemo.org] and <a href="http://blog.1407.org/2009/09/01/nokias-free-software-bullshit-and-insults-in-maemo/" title="1407.org" rel="nofollow">http://blog.1407.org/2009/09/01/nokias-free-software-bullshit-and-insults-in-maemo/</a> [1407.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , no , there is a lot of plateform running on OpenMoko phones ( Neo Freerunner ) .
To name a few , Hackable : 1 , QTMoko , SHR , or debian , openwrt .
And while most of them are quite new , QTMoko is using the qtopia project , the product of trolltech before nokia decided to let the community take care of it ( it was also called qt extended ) .
And SHR was ported on htc phones , debian was ported on PalmPre .
And regarding Maemo , for something free and open , it has a lot of closed source software : http : //wiki.maemo.org/Why \ _the \ _closed \ _packages [ maemo.org ] and http : //blog.1407.org/2009/09/01/nokias-free-software-bullshit-and-insults-in-maemo/ [ 1407.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, no, there is a lot of plateform running on OpenMoko phones ( Neo Freerunner ).
To name a few, Hackable:1 , QTMoko, SHR, or debian, openwrt.
And while most of them are quite new, QTMoko is using the qtopia project, the product of trolltech before nokia decided to let the community take care of it ( it was also called qt extended ).
And SHR was ported on htc phones, debian was ported on PalmPre.
And regarding Maemo, for something free and open, it has a lot of closed source software : http://wiki.maemo.org/Why\_the\_closed\_packages [maemo.org] and http://blog.1407.org/2009/09/01/nokias-free-software-bullshit-and-insults-in-maemo/ [1407.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29890123</id>
	<title>Re:Kind of an interesting metric.</title>
	<author>TakeyMcTaker</author>
	<datestamp>1256641620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>None of the metrics really have anything to do with the average user.</p></div><p>I think the article is speaking more to the developer and OSS evangelist set, but I get what you're saying. Another non-user metric that I find rather revealing about the comparisons made by the article, yet not addressed by the article, is:</p><p>* Can you install one operating environment on the other?</p><p>In desktop, this would be handled by VM's, WINE, Wubi, etc. On phones, it's interesting to note that the N900 is powerful enough to run VM's of other OS's, like Palm Garnet, Debian, and even Android itself. Most of the Android stack is on top of a similar Linux base, so potentially Android could even be compiled to run "natively" as an interface alternative on the N900. This has already been done on past N-series tablets, and the N900 is more powerful than any of those past devices. I doubt the inverse is true, that running Maemo on Android is possible, but that might be an interesting hack. I would say the effort required is definitely asymmetrical between the systems at this point, with Maemo being clearly more the flexible operating environment.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>None of the metrics really have anything to do with the average user.I think the article is speaking more to the developer and OSS evangelist set , but I get what you 're saying .
Another non-user metric that I find rather revealing about the comparisons made by the article , yet not addressed by the article , is : * Can you install one operating environment on the other ? In desktop , this would be handled by VM 's , WINE , Wubi , etc .
On phones , it 's interesting to note that the N900 is powerful enough to run VM 's of other OS 's , like Palm Garnet , Debian , and even Android itself .
Most of the Android stack is on top of a similar Linux base , so potentially Android could even be compiled to run " natively " as an interface alternative on the N900 .
This has already been done on past N-series tablets , and the N900 is more powerful than any of those past devices .
I doubt the inverse is true , that running Maemo on Android is possible , but that might be an interesting hack .
I would say the effort required is definitely asymmetrical between the systems at this point , with Maemo being clearly more the flexible operating environment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>None of the metrics really have anything to do with the average user.I think the article is speaking more to the developer and OSS evangelist set, but I get what you're saying.
Another non-user metric that I find rather revealing about the comparisons made by the article, yet not addressed by the article, is:* Can you install one operating environment on the other?In desktop, this would be handled by VM's, WINE, Wubi, etc.
On phones, it's interesting to note that the N900 is powerful enough to run VM's of other OS's, like Palm Garnet, Debian, and even Android itself.
Most of the Android stack is on top of a similar Linux base, so potentially Android could even be compiled to run "natively" as an interface alternative on the N900.
This has already been done on past N-series tablets, and the N900 is more powerful than any of those past devices.
I doubt the inverse is true, that running Maemo on Android is possible, but that might be an interesting hack.
I would say the effort required is definitely asymmetrical between the systems at this point, with Maemo being clearly more the flexible operating environment.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29887035</id>
	<title>Android 2.0 SDK is out!</title>
	<author>BlackCreek</author>
	<datestamp>1256672520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Android 2.0 SDK is out! Check out the goods here:<br><a href="http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2009/10/announcing-android-20-support-in-sdk.html" title="blogspot.com">http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2009/10/announcing-android-20-support-in-sdk.html</a> [blogspot.com]</p><p>Highlights:<br><a href="http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.0-highlights.html" title="android.com">http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.0-highlights.html</a> [android.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Android 2.0 SDK is out !
Check out the goods here : http : //android-developers.blogspot.com/2009/10/announcing-android-20-support-in-sdk.html [ blogspot.com ] Highlights : http : //developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.0-highlights.html [ android.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Android 2.0 SDK is out!
Check out the goods here:http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2009/10/announcing-android-20-support-in-sdk.html [blogspot.com]Highlights:http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.0-highlights.html [android.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29887649</id>
	<title>Re:Freedom of choice is made for you, my friend</title>
	<author>edivad</author>
	<datestamp>1256674980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Agreed. Maemo is the ONLY free platform currently available for mobile devices.
Free as in OS source code. Free as in freedom to develop application with full system access. Free as in freedom to develop application in native code. And least but sure not last, free as in freedom to install whatever you like in YOUR OWN device.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed .
Maemo is the ONLY free platform currently available for mobile devices .
Free as in OS source code .
Free as in freedom to develop application with full system access .
Free as in freedom to develop application in native code .
And least but sure not last , free as in freedom to install whatever you like in YOUR OWN device .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.
Maemo is the ONLY free platform currently available for mobile devices.
Free as in OS source code.
Free as in freedom to develop application with full system access.
Free as in freedom to develop application in native code.
And least but sure not last, free as in freedom to install whatever you like in YOUR OWN device.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29921823</id>
	<title>Re:maymo? memo? meemo?</title>
	<author>Bootarn</author>
	<datestamp>1256900880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just say "debmo".</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just say " debmo " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just say "debmo".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29884957</id>
	<title>Re:Maemo wins hands down</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256663520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Allow me to repeat your statement here:</p><p>Only thing I'm really missing is the phone functionality.</p><p>So, your meamo kicks androids ass.  There is nothing it can't do better... accept make and receive calls.</p><p>Am I the only one who wants my phone to make calls and doesn't care if it doesn't play shitty video or games on a tiny ass screen?  When on earth do you sit down and watch a movie on your phone? or play a game?</p><p>Why do I feel like the only sane person left...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Allow me to repeat your statement here : Only thing I 'm really missing is the phone functionality.So , your meamo kicks androids ass .
There is nothing it ca n't do better... accept make and receive calls.Am I the only one who wants my phone to make calls and does n't care if it does n't play shitty video or games on a tiny ass screen ?
When on earth do you sit down and watch a movie on your phone ?
or play a game ? Why do I feel like the only sane person left.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Allow me to repeat your statement here:Only thing I'm really missing is the phone functionality.So, your meamo kicks androids ass.
There is nothing it can't do better... accept make and receive calls.Am I the only one who wants my phone to make calls and doesn't care if it doesn't play shitty video or games on a tiny ass screen?
When on earth do you sit down and watch a movie on your phone?
or play a game?Why do I feel like the only sane person left...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29892821</id>
	<title>Re:The writer is clueless about end users</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256659260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The author was an idiot. He says "...who are we to say that no novice has a legitimate need for root access, ever?".</p><p>If a novice has a legitimate need for root access, he won't know what the f*** he is doing and turn his phone into a brick, then whine to the carrier/manufacturer that it is all their fault. IT administrators don't usually lock users out of admin rights just to be a d***, they do it to protect the computer from the loose nuts at the keyboard! The cell phone manufacturers are doing the same thing. I love FLOSS, but not forcing a user to jump through a few hoops to gain root access to a consumer electronics system isn't being open with the consumer, it's committing financial suicide for your company.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The author was an idiot .
He says " ...who are we to say that no novice has a legitimate need for root access , ever ?
" .If a novice has a legitimate need for root access , he wo n't know what the f * * * he is doing and turn his phone into a brick , then whine to the carrier/manufacturer that it is all their fault .
IT administrators do n't usually lock users out of admin rights just to be a d * * * , they do it to protect the computer from the loose nuts at the keyboard !
The cell phone manufacturers are doing the same thing .
I love FLOSS , but not forcing a user to jump through a few hoops to gain root access to a consumer electronics system is n't being open with the consumer , it 's committing financial suicide for your company .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The author was an idiot.
He says "...who are we to say that no novice has a legitimate need for root access, ever?
".If a novice has a legitimate need for root access, he won't know what the f*** he is doing and turn his phone into a brick, then whine to the carrier/manufacturer that it is all their fault.
IT administrators don't usually lock users out of admin rights just to be a d***, they do it to protect the computer from the loose nuts at the keyboard!
The cell phone manufacturers are doing the same thing.
I love FLOSS, but not forcing a user to jump through a few hoops to gain root access to a consumer electronics system isn't being open with the consumer, it's committing financial suicide for your company.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29888125</id>
	<title>Re:Maemo wins hands down</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256676960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and with Google Voice paired up with Gizmo5 and Sipsorcery, I'm actually able to use my N810's native Internet phone app to make and receive calls. It works incredibly well. I worked with the NITDroid team to port Android to the 810, but without sound (or the key apps Google doesn't want redistributed), it ended up falling just a bit short of useful.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and with Google Voice paired up with Gizmo5 and Sipsorcery , I 'm actually able to use my N810 's native Internet phone app to make and receive calls .
It works incredibly well .
I worked with the NITDroid team to port Android to the 810 , but without sound ( or the key apps Google does n't want redistributed ) , it ended up falling just a bit short of useful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and with Google Voice paired up with Gizmo5 and Sipsorcery, I'm actually able to use my N810's native Internet phone app to make and receive calls.
It works incredibly well.
I worked with the NITDroid team to port Android to the 810, but without sound (or the key apps Google doesn't want redistributed), it ended up falling just a bit short of useful.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883679</id>
	<title>Re:The writer is clueless about end users</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256657700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I second this.</p><p>Most users don't need root, nor have any need for source code access. Most users have access to support from the manufacturer, and are fine with that.</p><p>Judging from this guy's questions, he already had a conclusion, and started asking questions to justify his points of view. The article is flamebait beginning to end. Some notes:</p><ol> <li>In practice, any Gnome/KDE GUI app will simply not run properly in the display resolution of a phone, and not lend itself well to a touch screen interface. When you want to talk about the great stuff you can do with MAEMO, and you decide to illustrate with XEYES, I say you are out of touch with reality.</li>  <li>Android forces a rewrite of even Java code, but it also provides full application isolation. Nowhere the security advantages of it were considered.</li><li>Android is also offered with root access from Google (ADP) and with the Geekphone from Spain. The fact that you can also buy it in a locked state, doesn't disqualify the platform.</li><li>As a developer, I also care about the fact that the new MAEMO APIs are scheduled for deprecation before its release. Having a stable, well documented API matters. A lot.</li></ol><p>The N900 will (hopefully) be a great phone, no need to go on bashing the competition in order to promote it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I second this.Most users do n't need root , nor have any need for source code access .
Most users have access to support from the manufacturer , and are fine with that.Judging from this guy 's questions , he already had a conclusion , and started asking questions to justify his points of view .
The article is flamebait beginning to end .
Some notes : In practice , any Gnome/KDE GUI app will simply not run properly in the display resolution of a phone , and not lend itself well to a touch screen interface .
When you want to talk about the great stuff you can do with MAEMO , and you decide to illustrate with XEYES , I say you are out of touch with reality .
Android forces a rewrite of even Java code , but it also provides full application isolation .
Nowhere the security advantages of it were considered.Android is also offered with root access from Google ( ADP ) and with the Geekphone from Spain .
The fact that you can also buy it in a locked state , does n't disqualify the platform.As a developer , I also care about the fact that the new MAEMO APIs are scheduled for deprecation before its release .
Having a stable , well documented API matters .
A lot.The N900 will ( hopefully ) be a great phone , no need to go on bashing the competition in order to promote it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I second this.Most users don't need root, nor have any need for source code access.
Most users have access to support from the manufacturer, and are fine with that.Judging from this guy's questions, he already had a conclusion, and started asking questions to justify his points of view.
The article is flamebait beginning to end.
Some notes: In practice, any Gnome/KDE GUI app will simply not run properly in the display resolution of a phone, and not lend itself well to a touch screen interface.
When you want to talk about the great stuff you can do with MAEMO, and you decide to illustrate with XEYES, I say you are out of touch with reality.
Android forces a rewrite of even Java code, but it also provides full application isolation.
Nowhere the security advantages of it were considered.Android is also offered with root access from Google (ADP) and with the Geekphone from Spain.
The fact that you can also buy it in a locked state, doesn't disqualify the platform.As a developer, I also care about the fact that the new MAEMO APIs are scheduled for deprecation before its release.
Having a stable, well documented API matters.
A lot.The N900 will (hopefully) be a great phone, no need to go on bashing the competition in order to promote it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29902625</id>
	<title>Re:maymo? memo? meemo?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256724480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Rhymes with Lame-o!  Just sayin'.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Rhymes with Lame-o !
Just sayin' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rhymes with Lame-o!
Just sayin'.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29884635</id>
	<title>my 2 cents</title>
	<author>Corson</author>
	<datestamp>1256661960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've been exploring development options for both Maemo and Android. These are OS-es for mobile devices with relatively low hardware performance. That is why, IMO, native code is better than managed code for these platforms. On Adroid it is possible to run native code but not in GUI mode, which requires the Dalvik SDK (Java-like, therefore managed). There is an Android emulator available where you can run your code irrespective of the development tools you choose, with the restriction mentioned above. The Maemo emulator, on the other hand, is part of an SDK which is built into a particular Linux image and is Eclipse-based, thus limiting the choice of development tools for this platform. If I choose Linux as a development platform for mobile devices then I expect to have the freedom of Linux; AFAICS, with Android and Maemo that is not the case.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been exploring development options for both Maemo and Android .
These are OS-es for mobile devices with relatively low hardware performance .
That is why , IMO , native code is better than managed code for these platforms .
On Adroid it is possible to run native code but not in GUI mode , which requires the Dalvik SDK ( Java-like , therefore managed ) .
There is an Android emulator available where you can run your code irrespective of the development tools you choose , with the restriction mentioned above .
The Maemo emulator , on the other hand , is part of an SDK which is built into a particular Linux image and is Eclipse-based , thus limiting the choice of development tools for this platform .
If I choose Linux as a development platform for mobile devices then I expect to have the freedom of Linux ; AFAICS , with Android and Maemo that is not the case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been exploring development options for both Maemo and Android.
These are OS-es for mobile devices with relatively low hardware performance.
That is why, IMO, native code is better than managed code for these platforms.
On Adroid it is possible to run native code but not in GUI mode, which requires the Dalvik SDK (Java-like, therefore managed).
There is an Android emulator available where you can run your code irrespective of the development tools you choose, with the restriction mentioned above.
The Maemo emulator, on the other hand, is part of an SDK which is built into a particular Linux image and is Eclipse-based, thus limiting the choice of development tools for this platform.
If I choose Linux as a development platform for mobile devices then I expect to have the freedom of Linux; AFAICS, with Android and Maemo that is not the case.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29891589</id>
	<title>Re:Freedom of choice is made for you, my friend</title>
	<author>Patch86</author>
	<datestamp>1256649000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Indeed. Odds are that they won't be shipping on the same handsets, so it's likely that you'll just pick the handset hardware you want to buy and stick with the OS that ships with it.</p><p>I can't imagine many people deciding between phones based on their underlying OS. Maybe the geekiest among us, but even still.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed .
Odds are that they wo n't be shipping on the same handsets , so it 's likely that you 'll just pick the handset hardware you want to buy and stick with the OS that ships with it.I ca n't imagine many people deciding between phones based on their underlying OS .
Maybe the geekiest among us , but even still .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed.
Odds are that they won't be shipping on the same handsets, so it's likely that you'll just pick the handset hardware you want to buy and stick with the OS that ships with it.I can't imagine many people deciding between phones based on their underlying OS.
Maybe the geekiest among us, but even still.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883243</id>
	<title>maymo?  memo?  meemo?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256655420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If I choose that one, there's a danger that some geek will say, "You don't even know how to pronounce it, you clueless f***!"  Big-time pain and humiliation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I choose that one , there 's a danger that some geek will say , " You do n't even know how to pronounce it , you clueless f * * * !
" Big-time pain and humiliation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I choose that one, there's a danger that some geek will say, "You don't even know how to pronounce it, you clueless f***!
"  Big-time pain and humiliation.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29884811</id>
	<title>Re:maymo? memo? meemo?</title>
	<author>PeterBrett</author>
	<datestamp>1256662740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've only heard it pronounced "mee-mo", FWIW.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've only heard it pronounced " mee-mo " , FWIW .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've only heard it pronounced "mee-mo", FWIW.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883585</id>
	<title>Send to voice mail</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256657220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>why not have the phone give you a couple of options on the auto-SMS that you can write yourself, i.e. "in a meeting right now," "at the theater," "soldering my fingers to the windowsill," or vary the auto-SMS depending on the caller?</p></div><p>In other words, you want "away messages" for voice calls. Can land lines receive SMS where you live? Otherwise, it isn't too much of an improvement over the existing "send to voice mail" button.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>why not have the phone give you a couple of options on the auto-SMS that you can write yourself , i.e .
" in a meeting right now , " " at the theater , " " soldering my fingers to the windowsill , " or vary the auto-SMS depending on the caller ? In other words , you want " away messages " for voice calls .
Can land lines receive SMS where you live ?
Otherwise , it is n't too much of an improvement over the existing " send to voice mail " button .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>why not have the phone give you a couple of options on the auto-SMS that you can write yourself, i.e.
"in a meeting right now," "at the theater," "soldering my fingers to the windowsill," or vary the auto-SMS depending on the caller?In other words, you want "away messages" for voice calls.
Can land lines receive SMS where you live?
Otherwise, it isn't too much of an improvement over the existing "send to voice mail" button.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883539</id>
	<title>Why does T-Mobile suck? There's a map for that.</title>
	<author>tepples</author>
	<datestamp>1256657040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I choose the one that will install on the hardware I own. or the one that has the most pro user functions and anti carrier functions...</p></div><p>Unless you live in the United States, where carriers don't offer a discounted service plan that comes without a subsidized phone. The article mentions the "Even More Plus" plan that T-Mobile has recently added, but as Verizon puts it in newer commercials, "there's a map for that" with T-Mobile even to a greater extent than with AT&amp;T.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>mp3 ringtones that are not locked out.</p></div><p>Ringtone lockouts have at least a token rationale: ASCAP and BMI (and foreign counterparts) have to be paid for public performances of major label music.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I choose the one that will install on the hardware I own .
or the one that has the most pro user functions and anti carrier functions...Unless you live in the United States , where carriers do n't offer a discounted service plan that comes without a subsidized phone .
The article mentions the " Even More Plus " plan that T-Mobile has recently added , but as Verizon puts it in newer commercials , " there 's a map for that " with T-Mobile even to a greater extent than with AT&amp;T.mp3 ringtones that are not locked out.Ringtone lockouts have at least a token rationale : ASCAP and BMI ( and foreign counterparts ) have to be paid for public performances of major label music .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I choose the one that will install on the hardware I own.
or the one that has the most pro user functions and anti carrier functions...Unless you live in the United States, where carriers don't offer a discounted service plan that comes without a subsidized phone.
The article mentions the "Even More Plus" plan that T-Mobile has recently added, but as Verizon puts it in newer commercials, "there's a map for that" with T-Mobile even to a greater extent than with AT&amp;T.mp3 ringtones that are not locked out.Ringtone lockouts have at least a token rationale: ASCAP and BMI (and foreign counterparts) have to be paid for public performances of major label music.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883269</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29884765</id>
	<title>Moblin, iPhone, WebOS and more..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256662500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's a number of options out there. I'm going to speak as a developer for this reply.</p><p>Nobody and I mean nobody that allows development on their device is really and truly operating as an open source project. Them's the facts of the matter. There is definitely a sliding scale of open here with lots of gray areas here and there. Take the iPhone, at least as a dev you get access to early release software prior to release. For android can you go and find the 2.0 SDK anywhere? Nope. So much for Verizon's claims about 'droid being 'open'.</p><p>Be it Android, PalmOS, iPhone, Maemo, Moblin, whatever do any of these projects have open mailing lists setting directions of the project? Nope. Everyone of them get's an EPIC FAIL in my book for openness. Granted all of them at least allow you to develop apps. If you're someone making a living making apps, then that's going to be 'good enough'. As a developer you just nee to pick the ecosystem that makes the most sense to you.</p><p>However if you're a traditional open source developer looking to participate, the bad news is, "sorry"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...  no one is really catering to that in my opinion. But is that kind of "cold" treatment really something that has ever stopped open source developers?  Let's not forget that a Maemo, Android, Moblin, Palm's WebOS all include open source packages at least does mean that they have to continue to get their code from the community. Granted they can effectively fork and port their patches forward time and again, but you'd hope over time they'll learn... get involved with the community, work with the community<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. be open...   time will tell. Least across the board things have come a long way and we're not saddled with a 90\% windows (mobile) market share. Competition between OSes for cell phones sure makes for exciting times.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a number of options out there .
I 'm going to speak as a developer for this reply.Nobody and I mean nobody that allows development on their device is really and truly operating as an open source project .
Them 's the facts of the matter .
There is definitely a sliding scale of open here with lots of gray areas here and there .
Take the iPhone , at least as a dev you get access to early release software prior to release .
For android can you go and find the 2.0 SDK anywhere ?
Nope. So much for Verizon 's claims about 'droid being 'open'.Be it Android , PalmOS , iPhone , Maemo , Moblin , whatever do any of these projects have open mailing lists setting directions of the project ?
Nope. Everyone of them get 's an EPIC FAIL in my book for openness .
Granted all of them at least allow you to develop apps .
If you 're someone making a living making apps , then that 's going to be 'good enough' .
As a developer you just nee to pick the ecosystem that makes the most sense to you.However if you 're a traditional open source developer looking to participate , the bad news is , " sorry " ... no one is really catering to that in my opinion .
But is that kind of " cold " treatment really something that has ever stopped open source developers ?
Let 's not forget that a Maemo , Android , Moblin , Palm 's WebOS all include open source packages at least does mean that they have to continue to get their code from the community .
Granted they can effectively fork and port their patches forward time and again , but you 'd hope over time they 'll learn... get involved with the community , work with the community .. be open... time will tell .
Least across the board things have come a long way and we 're not saddled with a 90 \ % windows ( mobile ) market share .
Competition between OSes for cell phones sure makes for exciting times .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a number of options out there.
I'm going to speak as a developer for this reply.Nobody and I mean nobody that allows development on their device is really and truly operating as an open source project.
Them's the facts of the matter.
There is definitely a sliding scale of open here with lots of gray areas here and there.
Take the iPhone, at least as a dev you get access to early release software prior to release.
For android can you go and find the 2.0 SDK anywhere?
Nope. So much for Verizon's claims about 'droid being 'open'.Be it Android, PalmOS, iPhone, Maemo, Moblin, whatever do any of these projects have open mailing lists setting directions of the project?
Nope. Everyone of them get's an EPIC FAIL in my book for openness.
Granted all of them at least allow you to develop apps.
If you're someone making a living making apps, then that's going to be 'good enough'.
As a developer you just nee to pick the ecosystem that makes the most sense to you.However if you're a traditional open source developer looking to participate, the bad news is, "sorry" ...  no one is really catering to that in my opinion.
But is that kind of "cold" treatment really something that has ever stopped open source developers?
Let's not forget that a Maemo, Android, Moblin, Palm's WebOS all include open source packages at least does mean that they have to continue to get their code from the community.
Granted they can effectively fork and port their patches forward time and again, but you'd hope over time they'll learn... get involved with the community, work with the community .. be open...   time will tell.
Least across the board things have come a long way and we're not saddled with a 90\% windows (mobile) market share.
Competition between OSes for cell phones sure makes for exciting times.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883575</id>
	<title>Re:How do I choose?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256657220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://gnobal.net/dindy</p><p>Done already at least once, though I wish Dindy would work well with the brilliant Locale.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //gnobal.net/dindyDone already at least once , though I wish Dindy would work well with the brilliant Locale .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://gnobal.net/dindyDone already at least once, though I wish Dindy would work well with the brilliant Locale.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883401</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29884741</id>
	<title>Re:How do I choose?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256662440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>treo had it, sharksms i believe</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>treo had it , sharksms i believe</tokentext>
<sentencetext>treo had it, sharksms i believe</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29884133</id>
	<title>the "freedoms"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256659800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>are an illusion.  so long as either device you buy is tied to a draconian carrier its just another big ass phone screwing up the line of my pants and sucking down 5 hours worth of charge time in 3 days.  the phones may be free, but their features, options and abilities will quickly be restricted at the carrier level.  <br> <br>A phone with freedoms is a phone that doesnt require service contracts or "new every 2" plans for hardware.  Its also a phone that lets you question and subvert greedy carrier tactics and, god forbid, gauge and monitor a carriers network performance independently from their own claims of most reliable and most coverage.  buy either one, but remember the freedom stops after the transceiver driver comes up.</htmltext>
<tokenext>are an illusion .
so long as either device you buy is tied to a draconian carrier its just another big ass phone screwing up the line of my pants and sucking down 5 hours worth of charge time in 3 days .
the phones may be free , but their features , options and abilities will quickly be restricted at the carrier level .
A phone with freedoms is a phone that doesnt require service contracts or " new every 2 " plans for hardware .
Its also a phone that lets you question and subvert greedy carrier tactics and , god forbid , gauge and monitor a carriers network performance independently from their own claims of most reliable and most coverage .
buy either one , but remember the freedom stops after the transceiver driver comes up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>are an illusion.
so long as either device you buy is tied to a draconian carrier its just another big ass phone screwing up the line of my pants and sucking down 5 hours worth of charge time in 3 days.
the phones may be free, but their features, options and abilities will quickly be restricted at the carrier level.
A phone with freedoms is a phone that doesnt require service contracts or "new every 2" plans for hardware.
Its also a phone that lets you question and subvert greedy carrier tactics and, god forbid, gauge and monitor a carriers network performance independently from their own claims of most reliable and most coverage.
buy either one, but remember the freedom stops after the transceiver driver comes up.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29889399</id>
	<title>Re:the "freedoms"</title>
	<author>SputnikCopilot</author>
	<datestamp>1256638860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fortunately, these phones provide more chips than just transceivers, plus a few backup transceivers on different wavelengths to boot.</p><p>Hundreds of functions available, and you say an arbitrary, presumed limitation of one external interface makes all other freedoms moot?</p><p>
*NO* phones require "new every 2" plans, and not every provider even requires a contract.  You want to save some money up front, that's your choice.  With the N900 in the US, you needn't be concerned about that contractural obligation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fortunately , these phones provide more chips than just transceivers , plus a few backup transceivers on different wavelengths to boot.Hundreds of functions available , and you say an arbitrary , presumed limitation of one external interface makes all other freedoms moot ?
* NO * phones require " new every 2 " plans , and not every provider even requires a contract .
You want to save some money up front , that 's your choice .
With the N900 in the US , you need n't be concerned about that contractural obligation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fortunately, these phones provide more chips than just transceivers, plus a few backup transceivers on different wavelengths to boot.Hundreds of functions available, and you say an arbitrary, presumed limitation of one external interface makes all other freedoms moot?
*NO* phones require "new every 2" plans, and not every provider even requires a contract.
You want to save some money up front, that's your choice.
With the N900 in the US, you needn't be concerned about that contractural obligation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29887417</id>
	<title>I don't think so</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256673900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unless you are running hildon applications specifically developed/ported to Maemo, you'll easily get the same inconsistent user experience as with Linux. For me, this is not much of a problem on the desktop. On a phone or other mobile device, GUI consistency is much more important, IMHO. Development of applications is easier on Android using Java and Google's well documented API. And they have Romain Guy working on the GUI...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unless you are running hildon applications specifically developed/ported to Maemo , you 'll easily get the same inconsistent user experience as with Linux .
For me , this is not much of a problem on the desktop .
On a phone or other mobile device , GUI consistency is much more important , IMHO .
Development of applications is easier on Android using Java and Google 's well documented API .
And they have Romain Guy working on the GUI... : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unless you are running hildon applications specifically developed/ported to Maemo, you'll easily get the same inconsistent user experience as with Linux.
For me, this is not much of a problem on the desktop.
On a phone or other mobile device, GUI consistency is much more important, IMHO.
Development of applications is easier on Android using Java and Google's well documented API.
And they have Romain Guy working on the GUI... :-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29884269</id>
	<title>Re:How do I choose?</title>
	<author>angryphase</author>
	<datestamp>1256660400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Most phones offer message templates. Create any generic salutation or excuse you can think of and then simply select the call from any call log application and in most cases you can send a templated SMS message without fear of being told off for not answering your phone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Most phones offer message templates .
Create any generic salutation or excuse you can think of and then simply select the call from any call log application and in most cases you can send a templated SMS message without fear of being told off for not answering your phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most phones offer message templates.
Create any generic salutation or excuse you can think of and then simply select the call from any call log application and in most cases you can send a templated SMS message without fear of being told off for not answering your phone.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883401</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29886667</id>
	<title>Re:Maemo wins hands down</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256670960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I own an N800 (Maemo 4). Yes, you can port applications to the device, but if you want to provide a nice user experience, the UI must be ported to Hildon. This is significant effort. GTK applications look strange and are not really that user friendly.</p><p>If you want to develop finger-friendly applications with a consistent UI in Java, Android is the better platfrom.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I own an N800 ( Maemo 4 ) .
Yes , you can port applications to the device , but if you want to provide a nice user experience , the UI must be ported to Hildon .
This is significant effort .
GTK applications look strange and are not really that user friendly.If you want to develop finger-friendly applications with a consistent UI in Java , Android is the better platfrom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I own an N800 (Maemo 4).
Yes, you can port applications to the device, but if you want to provide a nice user experience, the UI must be ported to Hildon.
This is significant effort.
GTK applications look strange and are not really that user friendly.If you want to develop finger-friendly applications with a consistent UI in Java, Android is the better platfrom.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883965</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883687</id>
	<title>Re:Not a chioce right now</title>
	<author>Verdatum</author>
	<datestamp>1256657700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's the UK release date.  For US, it's supposedly the end of October, but I'll believe it when I see it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's the UK release date .
For US , it 's supposedly the end of October , but I 'll believe it when I see it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's the UK release date.
For US, it's supposedly the end of October, but I'll believe it when I see it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883295</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883819</id>
	<title>Re:Freedom of choice is made for you, my friend</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256658300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, I've had a Maemo device since 2007, and a couple of my friends have Android devices, so I'm not really sure what your point is.  I don't really like either, but I'd probably choose Maemo because it runs X11 and so it's much easier to port programs to.  You can run OpenOffice, for example, on a sufficiently powerful Maemo device, but porting it to Android would be a lot more effort.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I 've had a Maemo device since 2007 , and a couple of my friends have Android devices , so I 'm not really sure what your point is .
I do n't really like either , but I 'd probably choose Maemo because it runs X11 and so it 's much easier to port programs to .
You can run OpenOffice , for example , on a sufficiently powerful Maemo device , but porting it to Android would be a lot more effort .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I've had a Maemo device since 2007, and a couple of my friends have Android devices, so I'm not really sure what your point is.
I don't really like either, but I'd probably choose Maemo because it runs X11 and so it's much easier to port programs to.
You can run OpenOffice, for example, on a sufficiently powerful Maemo device, but porting it to Android would be a lot more effort.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883185</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883213</id>
	<title>Not a chioce right now</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256655240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think it can be marked as redundant, but there isn't any actual choice right now; and by the way, do we have a shipping date?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it can be marked as redundant , but there is n't any actual choice right now ; and by the way , do we have a shipping date ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it can be marked as redundant, but there isn't any actual choice right now; and by the way, do we have a shipping date?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29888779</id>
	<title>What if I need something *NOW*? N900 is not yet.</title>
	<author>KWTm</author>
	<datestamp>1256636280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's a question for my fellow Slashdotters:</p><p>I get to buy a phone/PDA device with before-tax money, which effectively gives me a 40\% discount on the device.  The catch is, I have to pay for it before mid-November to qualify.</p><p>I am in love with the N900 and will definitely get it.  Unfortunately, when I tried to pre-order it for the nice $580 price tag on Amazon, Amazon said they wouldn't charge me until the unit was ready to ship<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... which may not be before the mid-November deadline.  (I can always buy it next year under this arrangement, but this year's opportunity to use before-tax money would be wasted.)</p><p>This illustrates one drawback of the N900: it doesn't exist yet.  "Soon" might not be soon enough for me.</p><p>So I have to look elsewhere.  I'm using a Treo 650 because it's most compatible with the Dellbuntu laptop I have, and a netbook doesn't really count as a "PDA-like device".  I'm looking for something portable with networking capability, a rich software library (preferably open), and versatile.</p><p>My question for you is: if I want to take advantage of this arrangement to buy a PDA-like device <strong>this week</strong>, what should I get?  Should I get a N810 tablet until the N900 comes out?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's a question for my fellow Slashdotters : I get to buy a phone/PDA device with before-tax money , which effectively gives me a 40 \ % discount on the device .
The catch is , I have to pay for it before mid-November to qualify.I am in love with the N900 and will definitely get it .
Unfortunately , when I tried to pre-order it for the nice $ 580 price tag on Amazon , Amazon said they would n't charge me until the unit was ready to ship ... which may not be before the mid-November deadline .
( I can always buy it next year under this arrangement , but this year 's opportunity to use before-tax money would be wasted .
) This illustrates one drawback of the N900 : it does n't exist yet .
" Soon " might not be soon enough for me.So I have to look elsewhere .
I 'm using a Treo 650 because it 's most compatible with the Dellbuntu laptop I have , and a netbook does n't really count as a " PDA-like device " .
I 'm looking for something portable with networking capability , a rich software library ( preferably open ) , and versatile.My question for you is : if I want to take advantage of this arrangement to buy a PDA-like device this week , what should I get ?
Should I get a N810 tablet until the N900 comes out ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's a question for my fellow Slashdotters:I get to buy a phone/PDA device with before-tax money, which effectively gives me a 40\% discount on the device.
The catch is, I have to pay for it before mid-November to qualify.I am in love with the N900 and will definitely get it.
Unfortunately, when I tried to pre-order it for the nice $580 price tag on Amazon, Amazon said they wouldn't charge me until the unit was ready to ship ... which may not be before the mid-November deadline.
(I can always buy it next year under this arrangement, but this year's opportunity to use before-tax money would be wasted.
)This illustrates one drawback of the N900: it doesn't exist yet.
"Soon" might not be soon enough for me.So I have to look elsewhere.
I'm using a Treo 650 because it's most compatible with the Dellbuntu laptop I have, and a netbook doesn't really count as a "PDA-like device".
I'm looking for something portable with networking capability, a rich software library (preferably open), and versatile.My question for you is: if I want to take advantage of this arrangement to buy a PDA-like device this week, what should I get?
Should I get a N810 tablet until the N900 comes out?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883269</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883949</id>
	<title>Re:How do I choose?</title>
	<author>CaptainZapp</author>
	<datestamp>1256658900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If I press end on a ringing call it will SMS that person with a "I'm really busy right now, I'll call you back as soon as I can" That is a ROCKING feature that I dont see on any of these phones.</p></div><p>
My 9300 (Symbian under S80, sadly discarded) has another SMS killer feature: You can schedule SMSes and I haven't seen that anywhere else.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If I press end on a ringing call it will SMS that person with a " I 'm really busy right now , I 'll call you back as soon as I can " That is a ROCKING feature that I dont see on any of these phones .
My 9300 ( Symbian under S80 , sadly discarded ) has another SMS killer feature : You can schedule SMSes and I have n't seen that anywhere else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I press end on a ringing call it will SMS that person with a "I'm really busy right now, I'll call you back as soon as I can" That is a ROCKING feature that I dont see on any of these phones.
My 9300 (Symbian under S80, sadly discarded) has another SMS killer feature: You can schedule SMSes and I haven't seen that anywhere else.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29885829</id>
	<title>Re:How do I choose?</title>
	<author>forgottenusername</author>
	<datestamp>1256667300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>there are features on my S60 phone that I dont see anywhere else. If I press end on a ringing call it will SMS that person with a "I'm really busy right now, I'll call you back as soon as I can" That is a ROCKING feature that I dont see on any of these phones.</p></div></blockquote><p>
Do not want. Therein lies the issue with 'features'; you love it, I think it's godawful. I'm assuming you can disable that function but most of the time I don't want to pick up and instead press end it's because;
</p><p>
- it's someone I really don't want to talk to or know I am available<br>
- it's a telemarketer or a number I don't recognize<br>
- I'm pissed off and don't want to talk to anyone
</p><p>
In none of those cases would I want to send an auto-text.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>there are features on my S60 phone that I dont see anywhere else .
If I press end on a ringing call it will SMS that person with a " I 'm really busy right now , I 'll call you back as soon as I can " That is a ROCKING feature that I dont see on any of these phones .
Do not want .
Therein lies the issue with 'features ' ; you love it , I think it 's godawful .
I 'm assuming you can disable that function but most of the time I do n't want to pick up and instead press end it 's because ; - it 's someone I really do n't want to talk to or know I am available - it 's a telemarketer or a number I do n't recognize - I 'm pissed off and do n't want to talk to anyone In none of those cases would I want to send an auto-text .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>there are features on my S60 phone that I dont see anywhere else.
If I press end on a ringing call it will SMS that person with a "I'm really busy right now, I'll call you back as soon as I can" That is a ROCKING feature that I dont see on any of these phones.
Do not want.
Therein lies the issue with 'features'; you love it, I think it's godawful.
I'm assuming you can disable that function but most of the time I don't want to pick up and instead press end it's because;

- it's someone I really don't want to talk to or know I am available
- it's a telemarketer or a number I don't recognize
- I'm pissed off and don't want to talk to anyone

In none of those cases would I want to send an auto-text.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29990318</id>
	<title>Re:maymo? memo? meemo?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257006000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If it's a Latin geek, he/she will insist that you pronounce it "m-EYE-mo" (the ae ligature is pronounced as a long i)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If it 's a Latin geek , he/she will insist that you pronounce it " m-EYE-mo " ( the ae ligature is pronounced as a long i )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it's a Latin geek, he/she will insist that you pronounce it "m-EYE-mo" (the ae ligature is pronounced as a long i)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883243</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29886393</id>
	<title>Re:Kind of an interesting metric.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256669940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>while Im a real die hard Maemo fanboy (been developing for Maemo for ~4 years) and I do belive Maemo is superior (Dalvik? C'mon, lets speak seriously) , I know that root acess alone is rubbish. I have root acess on my Motorola A1200i (also known as MotoMING or MotoTASK) running montavista linux 2.4 and it doesnt help much aside from the locked out enviroment. There is no oficial SDK (only homebrew tools) , no packaging support for 3rd party (except a few selected from Moto) and no freedom at  all. Thats why I dont like programming for this plataform at all. While my phone has LOTS of more horsepower than my old-and-good N770, the N770 looks much more polished and versatile.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>while Im a real die hard Maemo fanboy ( been developing for Maemo for ~ 4 years ) and I do belive Maemo is superior ( Dalvik ?
C'mon , lets speak seriously ) , I know that root acess alone is rubbish .
I have root acess on my Motorola A1200i ( also known as MotoMING or MotoTASK ) running montavista linux 2.4 and it doesnt help much aside from the locked out enviroment .
There is no oficial SDK ( only homebrew tools ) , no packaging support for 3rd party ( except a few selected from Moto ) and no freedom at all .
Thats why I dont like programming for this plataform at all .
While my phone has LOTS of more horsepower than my old-and-good N770 , the N770 looks much more polished and versatile .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>while Im a real die hard Maemo fanboy (been developing for Maemo for ~4 years) and I do belive Maemo is superior (Dalvik?
C'mon, lets speak seriously) , I know that root acess alone is rubbish.
I have root acess on my Motorola A1200i (also known as MotoMING or MotoTASK) running montavista linux 2.4 and it doesnt help much aside from the locked out enviroment.
There is no oficial SDK (only homebrew tools) , no packaging support for 3rd party (except a few selected from Moto) and no freedom at  all.
Thats why I dont like programming for this plataform at all.
While my phone has LOTS of more horsepower than my old-and-good N770, the N770 looks much more polished and versatile.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29886147</id>
	<title>Re:Not a chioce right now</title>
	<author>Dragonslicer</author>
	<datestamp>1256668740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Newegg's preorder page says it'll be available on the 14th.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Newegg 's preorder page says it 'll be available on the 14th .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Newegg's preorder page says it'll be available on the 14th.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883213</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29884647</id>
	<title>Don't have a texting plan...</title>
	<author>Tetsujin</author>
	<datestamp>1256662020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If I press end on a ringing call it will SMS that person with a "I'm really busy right now, I'll call you back as soon as I can"</p></div><p>Great, you just cost me $0.20, just to send me information I already could have figured out from the fact that you pressed "end" while I was trying to call you...</p><p>(I feel that with or without a texting plan, the carrier charges for SMS are complete bullshit...)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If I press end on a ringing call it will SMS that person with a " I 'm really busy right now , I 'll call you back as soon as I can " Great , you just cost me $ 0.20 , just to send me information I already could have figured out from the fact that you pressed " end " while I was trying to call you... ( I feel that with or without a texting plan , the carrier charges for SMS are complete bullshit... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I press end on a ringing call it will SMS that person with a "I'm really busy right now, I'll call you back as soon as I can"Great, you just cost me $0.20, just to send me information I already could have figured out from the fact that you pressed "end" while I was trying to call you...(I feel that with or without a texting plan, the carrier charges for SMS are complete bullshit...)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883269</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29885027</id>
	<title>Software freedom or "current hardware"-freedom</title>
	<author>f0rk</author>
	<datestamp>1256663940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That guy is so bias toward maemo its not even funny. He has something against google/android but cant put his finger on it.</p><p>This article should be about some random home brew telephone running both OSes, but its not. Its about the currently available android hardware running android against the currently not available maemo hardware running maemo.</p><p>First thing, he begins his comparison with the "root or not to root" issue and says that WITH ANDROID you have to root it to get full system access, and not in maemo. Not true. You do not have to root android, you have to root the specific setup of android on .</p><p>I guess there will come maemo devices from other manufacturers then nokia, and how can THIS random blogger know THEY wont impose system access crippling.</p><p>Other then that, he has a point, but i can't tell if it's true, and if i can trust him.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That guy is so bias toward maemo its not even funny .
He has something against google/android but cant put his finger on it.This article should be about some random home brew telephone running both OSes , but its not .
Its about the currently available android hardware running android against the currently not available maemo hardware running maemo.First thing , he begins his comparison with the " root or not to root " issue and says that WITH ANDROID you have to root it to get full system access , and not in maemo .
Not true .
You do not have to root android , you have to root the specific setup of android on .I guess there will come maemo devices from other manufacturers then nokia , and how can THIS random blogger know THEY wont impose system access crippling.Other then that , he has a point , but i ca n't tell if it 's true , and if i can trust him .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That guy is so bias toward maemo its not even funny.
He has something against google/android but cant put his finger on it.This article should be about some random home brew telephone running both OSes, but its not.
Its about the currently available android hardware running android against the currently not available maemo hardware running maemo.First thing, he begins his comparison with the "root or not to root" issue and says that WITH ANDROID you have to root it to get full system access, and not in maemo.
Not true.
You do not have to root android, you have to root the specific setup of android on .I guess there will come maemo devices from other manufacturers then nokia, and how can THIS random blogger know THEY wont impose system access crippling.Other then that, he has a point, but i can't tell if it's true, and if i can trust him.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29888985</id>
	<title>Re:Moblin, iPhone, WebOS and more..</title>
	<author>markkezner</author>
	<datestamp>1256637060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>For android can you go and find the 2.0 SDK anywhere? Nope. So much for Verizon's claims about 'droid being 'open'.</p></div><p>The Android 2.0 SDK is <a href="http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html" title="android.com">right here</a> [android.com]. And btw, Verizon has little or nothing to do with the SDK.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>For android can you go and find the 2.0 SDK anywhere ?
Nope. So much for Verizon 's claims about 'droid being 'open'.The Android 2.0 SDK is right here [ android.com ] .
And btw , Verizon has little or nothing to do with the SDK .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For android can you go and find the 2.0 SDK anywhere?
Nope. So much for Verizon's claims about 'droid being 'open'.The Android 2.0 SDK is right here [android.com].
And btw, Verizon has little or nothing to do with the SDK.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883317</id>
	<title>The writer is clueless about end users</title>
	<author>InsaneProcessor</author>
	<datestamp>1256655900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The reason the providers lock the phone to their service (besides profit) is support.  They only need to support one variation of the platform.  More than that is way too costly.  The end user in the U.S. wants support from one place not two.
If they didn't do this then the average (idiot) user would hear
"this is an issue with your device, contact the manafacturer"
and "it is your service provider that is causing your problem, contact them".  When you want support, you don't want to chase around to get it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The reason the providers lock the phone to their service ( besides profit ) is support .
They only need to support one variation of the platform .
More than that is way too costly .
The end user in the U.S. wants support from one place not two .
If they did n't do this then the average ( idiot ) user would hear " this is an issue with your device , contact the manafacturer " and " it is your service provider that is causing your problem , contact them " .
When you want support , you do n't want to chase around to get it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The reason the providers lock the phone to their service (besides profit) is support.
They only need to support one variation of the platform.
More than that is way too costly.
The end user in the U.S. wants support from one place not two.
If they didn't do this then the average (idiot) user would hear
"this is an issue with your device, contact the manafacturer"
and "it is your service provider that is causing your problem, contact them".
When you want support, you don't want to chase around to get it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883587</id>
	<title>Re:How do I choose?</title>
	<author>sonnejw0</author>
	<datestamp>1256657220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why would you want to send an auto-SMS and waste a text message when you don't answer a call?  Isn't it implied that if it goes directly to voicemail that I'm busy and I will call back?  Are the people that call you really that paranoid that you don't like them that they need an SMS to tell them that you didn't answer your phone but you still want to be friends?
<br> <br>
I mean, sure, it's great that the phone's OS allows that kind of open development and all, but<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... honestly?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would you want to send an auto-SMS and waste a text message when you do n't answer a call ?
Is n't it implied that if it goes directly to voicemail that I 'm busy and I will call back ?
Are the people that call you really that paranoid that you do n't like them that they need an SMS to tell them that you did n't answer your phone but you still want to be friends ?
I mean , sure , it 's great that the phone 's OS allows that kind of open development and all , but ... honestly ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would you want to send an auto-SMS and waste a text message when you don't answer a call?
Isn't it implied that if it goes directly to voicemail that I'm busy and I will call back?
Are the people that call you really that paranoid that you don't like them that they need an SMS to tell them that you didn't answer your phone but you still want to be friends?
I mean, sure, it's great that the phone's OS allows that kind of open development and all, but ... honestly?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883269</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883957</id>
	<title>Re:Freedom of choice is made for you, my friend</title>
	<author>SCHecklerX</author>
	<datestamp>1256658960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Simple.  Get a Palm Pre.  Seriously.  WebOS is good stuff.  Download the SDK, plug the phone into your computer, and type 'novaterm' (ok, first you have to type the konami code on the phone).  Hey.  Look.  Linux.  And the apps are all text (javascript to be precise).  You even have things like vi and wget without having to install them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Simple .
Get a Palm Pre .
Seriously. WebOS is good stuff .
Download the SDK , plug the phone into your computer , and type 'novaterm ' ( ok , first you have to type the konami code on the phone ) .
Hey. Look .
Linux. And the apps are all text ( javascript to be precise ) .
You even have things like vi and wget without having to install them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Simple.
Get a Palm Pre.
Seriously.  WebOS is good stuff.
Download the SDK, plug the phone into your computer, and type 'novaterm' (ok, first you have to type the konami code on the phone).
Hey.  Look.
Linux.  And the apps are all text (javascript to be precise).
You even have things like vi and wget without having to install them.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883185</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883517</id>
	<title>Re:The writer is clueless about end users</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256656920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You need to install a dummy package that simply involves agreeing to the risks associated with root access. They could simply say "if you agree to it, to waive the right to software support." It would be reasonable to do this because obviously they can't help someone who was convinced to run "rm -r<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/*" as root. (By the way, do it, it's super-fun!)</htmltext>
<tokenext>You need to install a dummy package that simply involves agreeing to the risks associated with root access .
They could simply say " if you agree to it , to waive the right to software support .
" It would be reasonable to do this because obviously they ca n't help someone who was convinced to run " rm -r / * " as root .
( By the way , do it , it 's super-fun !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You need to install a dummy package that simply involves agreeing to the risks associated with root access.
They could simply say "if you agree to it, to waive the right to software support.
" It would be reasonable to do this because obviously they can't help someone who was convinced to run "rm -r /*" as root.
(By the way, do it, it's super-fun!
)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883317</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29894583</id>
	<title>Re:The writer is clueless about end users</title>
	<author>olden</author>
	<datestamp>1256727600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sorry sabre307, I have to side with the author of TFA here.<br>I suspect that the majority of Windows users at home are running as Admin (not a great idea), Linux distros offer easy root access (on-demand, better); yet somehow novices don't generally wipe system files etc, and PC manufacturers aren't all bankrupt yet. Maybe not perfect but sounds workable to me...<br>More on-topic: I have an Android Dev Phone 1, ie "factory rooted" G1. Can you believe it's not bricked yet? Perhaps there are more dangerous things on this planet than root access...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry sabre307 , I have to side with the author of TFA here.I suspect that the majority of Windows users at home are running as Admin ( not a great idea ) , Linux distros offer easy root access ( on-demand , better ) ; yet somehow novices do n't generally wipe system files etc , and PC manufacturers are n't all bankrupt yet .
Maybe not perfect but sounds workable to me...More on-topic : I have an Android Dev Phone 1 , ie " factory rooted " G1 .
Can you believe it 's not bricked yet ?
Perhaps there are more dangerous things on this planet than root access.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry sabre307, I have to side with the author of TFA here.I suspect that the majority of Windows users at home are running as Admin (not a great idea), Linux distros offer easy root access (on-demand, better); yet somehow novices don't generally wipe system files etc, and PC manufacturers aren't all bankrupt yet.
Maybe not perfect but sounds workable to me...More on-topic: I have an Android Dev Phone 1, ie "factory rooted" G1.
Can you believe it's not bricked yet?
Perhaps there are more dangerous things on this planet than root access...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29892821</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29885237</id>
	<title>Re:the "freedoms"</title>
	<author>DaveV1.0</author>
	<datestamp>1256664840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My "Dream", aka the G1, is not tied to any particular carrier, does not have a service contract, and does not have a "new every 2" plan. I bought it outright and called T-Mobile to unlock it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My " Dream " , aka the G1 , is not tied to any particular carrier , does not have a service contract , and does not have a " new every 2 " plan .
I bought it outright and called T-Mobile to unlock it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My "Dream", aka the G1, is not tied to any particular carrier, does not have a service contract, and does not have a "new every 2" plan.
I bought it outright and called T-Mobile to unlock it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29884133</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29887149</id>
	<title>Re:my 2 cents</title>
	<author>MemoryDragon</author>
	<datestamp>1256672940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not sure if your assumption is right. First of all the Android VM is an entirely different beast than the standard JDK, it is not a stack based vm anymore but a register based, also the tie in between the vm and the processor is way deeper with the included arms having java accelerating command sets included. Thirdly the bytecode itself is not java anymore either it is post processed and some specific optimization is applied upfront. Third, the class lib provided is huge and a load of methods root directly into native functions instead of trying to implement as much as possible in java.<br>So so far java as language of choice in the android world works out pretty well, I dont hear complaints that the android development is hard or that you have a speed problem by using java.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not sure if your assumption is right .
First of all the Android VM is an entirely different beast than the standard JDK , it is not a stack based vm anymore but a register based , also the tie in between the vm and the processor is way deeper with the included arms having java accelerating command sets included .
Thirdly the bytecode itself is not java anymore either it is post processed and some specific optimization is applied upfront .
Third , the class lib provided is huge and a load of methods root directly into native functions instead of trying to implement as much as possible in java.So so far java as language of choice in the android world works out pretty well , I dont hear complaints that the android development is hard or that you have a speed problem by using java .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not sure if your assumption is right.
First of all the Android VM is an entirely different beast than the standard JDK, it is not a stack based vm anymore but a register based, also the tie in between the vm and the processor is way deeper with the included arms having java accelerating command sets included.
Thirdly the bytecode itself is not java anymore either it is post processed and some specific optimization is applied upfront.
Third, the class lib provided is huge and a load of methods root directly into native functions instead of trying to implement as much as possible in java.So so far java as language of choice in the android world works out pretty well, I dont hear complaints that the android development is hard or that you have a speed problem by using java.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29884635</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29885095</id>
	<title>Re:Freedom of choice is made for you, my friend</title>
	<author>jo42</author>
	<datestamp>1256664300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you think WebOS is good stuff, you will orgasm non-stop for weeks once you see what is in the iPhone OS and SDK.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you think WebOS is good stuff , you will orgasm non-stop for weeks once you see what is in the iPhone OS and SDK .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you think WebOS is good stuff, you will orgasm non-stop for weeks once you see what is in the iPhone OS and SDK.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883957</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29884609</id>
	<title>Re:Freedom of choice is made for you, my friend</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256661840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Basically, you have a Busybox session where vi and wget haven't been compiled out. You're still bound to whatever Palm decides to push your way.</p><p>Which makes me wonder if you can replace the kernel on a Palm Pre, or if it will only boot a signed kernel.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Basically , you have a Busybox session where vi and wget have n't been compiled out .
You 're still bound to whatever Palm decides to push your way.Which makes me wonder if you can replace the kernel on a Palm Pre , or if it will only boot a signed kernel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Basically, you have a Busybox session where vi and wget haven't been compiled out.
You're still bound to whatever Palm decides to push your way.Which makes me wonder if you can replace the kernel on a Palm Pre, or if it will only boot a signed kernel.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883957</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29904543</id>
	<title>Maemo is too big</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256735400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, Maemo is too big. Get it running on regular phones if can. Then we'll talk. Android being incompatible as it is should just fade away then... I hope?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , Maemo is too big .
Get it running on regular phones if can .
Then we 'll talk .
Android being incompatible as it is should just fade away then... I hope ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, Maemo is too big.
Get it running on regular phones if can.
Then we'll talk.
Android being incompatible as it is should just fade away then... I hope?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29894869</id>
	<title>Re:How do I choose?</title>
	<author>jfanning</author>
	<datestamp>1256730540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just because YOU don't see the point doesn't make it a worthless feature.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just because YOU do n't see the point does n't make it a worthless feature .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just because YOU don't see the point doesn't make it a worthless feature.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883587</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29884785</id>
	<title>Re:The writer is clueless about end users</title>
	<author>ciderVisor</author>
	<datestamp>1256662620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><b>'rm' is not recognized as an internal or external command,<br>operable program or batch file.</b></p><p>Hmmmm, yeah, super fun !</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>'rm ' is not recognized as an internal or external command,operable program or batch file.Hmmmm , yeah , super fun !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'rm' is not recognized as an internal or external command,operable program or batch file.Hmmmm, yeah, super fun !</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883517</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29885899</id>
	<title>Re:How do I choose?</title>
	<author>bemymonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1256667600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You mean there are smartphones on the market that DON'T support those features?</p><p>Hell, with the exception of that auto-SMS feature (which is awesome, by the way... I gotta find a way to do that) and the scripting, all my WinMo phones have been able to do these things... I was under the impression that only dumb phones still locked you in (i.e. only carrier-approved themes, ringtones, backgrounds and crap like that).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean there are smartphones on the market that DO N'T support those features ? Hell , with the exception of that auto-SMS feature ( which is awesome , by the way... I got ta find a way to do that ) and the scripting , all my WinMo phones have been able to do these things... I was under the impression that only dumb phones still locked you in ( i.e .
only carrier-approved themes , ringtones , backgrounds and crap like that ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean there are smartphones on the market that DON'T support those features?Hell, with the exception of that auto-SMS feature (which is awesome, by the way... I gotta find a way to do that) and the scripting, all my WinMo phones have been able to do these things... I was under the impression that only dumb phones still locked you in (i.e.
only carrier-approved themes, ringtones, backgrounds and crap like that).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883269</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29884081</id>
	<title>Re:Freedom of choice is made for you, my friend</title>
	<author>Fred\_A</author>
	<datestamp>1256659620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <i>Maemo 5 and Android have received a lot of publicity lately, despite the former not even shipping yet. Both have become famous partly for using the Linux kernel, but now that we have a choice, how do we pick one?</i> </p><p>I assume that you'd probably pick the one that you can actually buy. Or you could opt to buy nothing, but that's not really picking one.</p><p>"We" don't really have a choice, do we?</p></div><p>My choice wa a tough one. My mobile network salespeople were peskering me because I had accumulated a number of points that made me eligible for a new handset for a symbolic price. So I went to look at their online boutique and after a long pondering decided to go with a Samsung [something] (I think it has "star" in the model name, which may or may not be what my network calls it, or just a local name, or maybe it's what it's really called... but it's not on the Samsung web site)</p><p>Anyway, I wanted : reasonably decent phone (as in making calls and manageing contacts) interface, possibly Visio, definitely radio (we happen to have quality radio in Europe), maybe a few toys, BlueTooth would be a plus... and um...<br>"Ideally"... if I was able to ssh and open an xterm or even (hah) an X11/ssh tunnel to my network that would have been kind of neat. Although poking at networks on a cell phone that didn't have a real keyboard (as in the clamshell Nokia units that came along a few years ago, no idea what they were called) would, while geeky and fun, be mostly pointless. (Presumably there's a menu item for ^] or something...). And displaying my workstation's display in QVGA (or pretty much any normal app) would be an exercise in futility.</p><p>So I just went for a regular, marginally augmented phone. It can display a calendar, it can handle about ten alarms, it has a dozen fields per contact, it does 3G+ and handles GSM and whatever that US norm is. It also has a number of useless widgets to keep me amused. It has the mandatory useless camera.<br>It cost me 20 &euro;.</p><p>And I'll stick with my 12.something inch laptop that weighs a bit under 2kg and lasts roughly 4hours whenever I actually want to talk to a proper computer on the other side.</p><p>So while I certainly *would* have considered an open source terminal (and that's assuming the Samsung handset I have runs 100\% proprietary code), it didn't look alike any were available. If some were, I didn't bother going to page 5 (130 &euro; and up). And on top of that, I'm still not convinced I need that much functionality inside what is mostly a disposable unit (sit on it, drop it, forget it, get it snatched, flood it --beer, water, coffee, soda--, have your friend's kids turn it into a spaceship, etc.)</p><p>OTOH I know I won't forget my laptop. I also know it was fairly easy to script an automated backup as soon as it auto-logged into my home Wi-Fi (not so easy with a phone, unless it *really* is wide open ; but how many actually are). Losing my laptop won't ever be much of an issue (unless I happen to be memory starved for my camera on a trip and have to re-use flash cards, unlikely given how many I have and how I work but who can tell) since my personal insurance will cover most of the loss anyway and my data won't be accessible to the thief (ok, maybe if it's the TSA and they pass it on to the NSA, that is if I decide to go back to the US).</p><p>In conclusion, while I understand that it certainly would be convenient to have a "one for all" device, IMO current phones are way off the mark. Every now and then, an interesting idea pops up, usually to be quickly killed by the network operator's (or some kind of patent troll's) greed.</p><p>Of course it *will* happen eventually. And a lot of tech and design firms are trying to push their designs forward. That they mostly suck is natural (getting it right will take some time) but the blunt of the blame isn't to rest on the designer's shoulders but on the ones who benefit most from neutering the hardware.</p><p>As always, follow the money.</p><p>We techies sometimes, for right or wrong, believe that we can fix pretty much any problem with a judicious application of technology. But we always forget that greedy people believe they can make an extra [$currency] by preventing us to do so (and they're often right).</p><p>[/rant]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maemo 5 and Android have received a lot of publicity lately , despite the former not even shipping yet .
Both have become famous partly for using the Linux kernel , but now that we have a choice , how do we pick one ?
I assume that you 'd probably pick the one that you can actually buy .
Or you could opt to buy nothing , but that 's not really picking one .
" We " do n't really have a choice , do we ? My choice wa a tough one .
My mobile network salespeople were peskering me because I had accumulated a number of points that made me eligible for a new handset for a symbolic price .
So I went to look at their online boutique and after a long pondering decided to go with a Samsung [ something ] ( I think it has " star " in the model name , which may or may not be what my network calls it , or just a local name , or maybe it 's what it 's really called... but it 's not on the Samsung web site ) Anyway , I wanted : reasonably decent phone ( as in making calls and manageing contacts ) interface , possibly Visio , definitely radio ( we happen to have quality radio in Europe ) , maybe a few toys , BlueTooth would be a plus... and um... " Ideally " ... if I was able to ssh and open an xterm or even ( hah ) an X11/ssh tunnel to my network that would have been kind of neat .
Although poking at networks on a cell phone that did n't have a real keyboard ( as in the clamshell Nokia units that came along a few years ago , no idea what they were called ) would , while geeky and fun , be mostly pointless .
( Presumably there 's a menu item for ^ ] or something... ) .
And displaying my workstation 's display in QVGA ( or pretty much any normal app ) would be an exercise in futility.So I just went for a regular , marginally augmented phone .
It can display a calendar , it can handle about ten alarms , it has a dozen fields per contact , it does 3G + and handles GSM and whatever that US norm is .
It also has a number of useless widgets to keep me amused .
It has the mandatory useless camera.It cost me 20    .And I 'll stick with my 12.something inch laptop that weighs a bit under 2kg and lasts roughly 4hours whenever I actually want to talk to a proper computer on the other side.So while I certainly * would * have considered an open source terminal ( and that 's assuming the Samsung handset I have runs 100 \ % proprietary code ) , it did n't look alike any were available .
If some were , I did n't bother going to page 5 ( 130    and up ) .
And on top of that , I 'm still not convinced I need that much functionality inside what is mostly a disposable unit ( sit on it , drop it , forget it , get it snatched , flood it --beer , water , coffee , soda-- , have your friend 's kids turn it into a spaceship , etc .
) OTOH I know I wo n't forget my laptop .
I also know it was fairly easy to script an automated backup as soon as it auto-logged into my home Wi-Fi ( not so easy with a phone , unless it * really * is wide open ; but how many actually are ) .
Losing my laptop wo n't ever be much of an issue ( unless I happen to be memory starved for my camera on a trip and have to re-use flash cards , unlikely given how many I have and how I work but who can tell ) since my personal insurance will cover most of the loss anyway and my data wo n't be accessible to the thief ( ok , maybe if it 's the TSA and they pass it on to the NSA , that is if I decide to go back to the US ) .In conclusion , while I understand that it certainly would be convenient to have a " one for all " device , IMO current phones are way off the mark .
Every now and then , an interesting idea pops up , usually to be quickly killed by the network operator 's ( or some kind of patent troll 's ) greed.Of course it * will * happen eventually .
And a lot of tech and design firms are trying to push their designs forward .
That they mostly suck is natural ( getting it right will take some time ) but the blunt of the blame is n't to rest on the designer 's shoulders but on the ones who benefit most from neutering the hardware.As always , follow the money.We techies sometimes , for right or wrong , believe that we can fix pretty much any problem with a judicious application of technology .
But we always forget that greedy people believe they can make an extra [ $ currency ] by preventing us to do so ( and they 're often right ) .
[ /rant ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Maemo 5 and Android have received a lot of publicity lately, despite the former not even shipping yet.
Both have become famous partly for using the Linux kernel, but now that we have a choice, how do we pick one?
I assume that you'd probably pick the one that you can actually buy.
Or you could opt to buy nothing, but that's not really picking one.
"We" don't really have a choice, do we?My choice wa a tough one.
My mobile network salespeople were peskering me because I had accumulated a number of points that made me eligible for a new handset for a symbolic price.
So I went to look at their online boutique and after a long pondering decided to go with a Samsung [something] (I think it has "star" in the model name, which may or may not be what my network calls it, or just a local name, or maybe it's what it's really called... but it's not on the Samsung web site)Anyway, I wanted : reasonably decent phone (as in making calls and manageing contacts) interface, possibly Visio, definitely radio (we happen to have quality radio in Europe), maybe a few toys, BlueTooth would be a plus... and um..."Ideally"... if I was able to ssh and open an xterm or even (hah) an X11/ssh tunnel to my network that would have been kind of neat.
Although poking at networks on a cell phone that didn't have a real keyboard (as in the clamshell Nokia units that came along a few years ago, no idea what they were called) would, while geeky and fun, be mostly pointless.
(Presumably there's a menu item for ^] or something...).
And displaying my workstation's display in QVGA (or pretty much any normal app) would be an exercise in futility.So I just went for a regular, marginally augmented phone.
It can display a calendar, it can handle about ten alarms, it has a dozen fields per contact, it does 3G+ and handles GSM and whatever that US norm is.
It also has a number of useless widgets to keep me amused.
It has the mandatory useless camera.It cost me 20 €.And I'll stick with my 12.something inch laptop that weighs a bit under 2kg and lasts roughly 4hours whenever I actually want to talk to a proper computer on the other side.So while I certainly *would* have considered an open source terminal (and that's assuming the Samsung handset I have runs 100\% proprietary code), it didn't look alike any were available.
If some were, I didn't bother going to page 5 (130 € and up).
And on top of that, I'm still not convinced I need that much functionality inside what is mostly a disposable unit (sit on it, drop it, forget it, get it snatched, flood it --beer, water, coffee, soda--, have your friend's kids turn it into a spaceship, etc.
)OTOH I know I won't forget my laptop.
I also know it was fairly easy to script an automated backup as soon as it auto-logged into my home Wi-Fi (not so easy with a phone, unless it *really* is wide open ; but how many actually are).
Losing my laptop won't ever be much of an issue (unless I happen to be memory starved for my camera on a trip and have to re-use flash cards, unlikely given how many I have and how I work but who can tell) since my personal insurance will cover most of the loss anyway and my data won't be accessible to the thief (ok, maybe if it's the TSA and they pass it on to the NSA, that is if I decide to go back to the US).In conclusion, while I understand that it certainly would be convenient to have a "one for all" device, IMO current phones are way off the mark.
Every now and then, an interesting idea pops up, usually to be quickly killed by the network operator's (or some kind of patent troll's) greed.Of course it *will* happen eventually.
And a lot of tech and design firms are trying to push their designs forward.
That they mostly suck is natural (getting it right will take some time) but the blunt of the blame isn't to rest on the designer's shoulders but on the ones who benefit most from neutering the hardware.As always, follow the money.We techies sometimes, for right or wrong, believe that we can fix pretty much any problem with a judicious application of technology.
But we always forget that greedy people believe they can make an extra [$currency] by preventing us to do so (and they're often right).
[/rant]
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29884771</id>
	<title>Kind of an interesting metric.</title>
	<author>LWATCDR</author>
	<datestamp>1256662560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>None of the metrics really have anything to do with the average user.<br>1. Freedom from crashes. random, and forced resets.<br>2. Freedom to find the applications that I want to run without having to write them myself.<br>3. Freedom from having to learn a complex and inconsistent UI.</p><p>Most smart phone users really want and need a good smart phone first. Most users will never want to root the phone. How free and open a consumer software system is of little concern if it is not functional. I would love to see Android and Maemo put in the hands of a new smart phone users that doesn't know FOSS or the GPL from a hole in the ground just to see how functional they are. I would also like to see a comparison of the SDKs from a programmers point of view. Finally we can talk about how "free" they are. All of that is important but usability really is very important and it wasn't talked about in this story at all.</p><p>I have yet to play with Maemo but my next phone will probably be an Android device. I don't want to be on the AT&amp;T network so the iPhone is out. WinMo doesn't really thrill me, and the PalmOS still lacks voice dialing and video recording. My wife loves her PalmPre but I am disappointed with the SDK and the fact that it still lacks video recording and voice dialing!  MY STINKING SANYO FEATURE PHONE CAN SHOOT VIDEO AND DO VOICE DIALING.<br>Right now I am torn between the Samsung Moment and the HTC Hero I just hope that we see them get 1.6 and 2.0 updates very soon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>None of the metrics really have anything to do with the average user.1 .
Freedom from crashes .
random , and forced resets.2 .
Freedom to find the applications that I want to run without having to write them myself.3 .
Freedom from having to learn a complex and inconsistent UI.Most smart phone users really want and need a good smart phone first .
Most users will never want to root the phone .
How free and open a consumer software system is of little concern if it is not functional .
I would love to see Android and Maemo put in the hands of a new smart phone users that does n't know FOSS or the GPL from a hole in the ground just to see how functional they are .
I would also like to see a comparison of the SDKs from a programmers point of view .
Finally we can talk about how " free " they are .
All of that is important but usability really is very important and it was n't talked about in this story at all.I have yet to play with Maemo but my next phone will probably be an Android device .
I do n't want to be on the AT&amp;T network so the iPhone is out .
WinMo does n't really thrill me , and the PalmOS still lacks voice dialing and video recording .
My wife loves her PalmPre but I am disappointed with the SDK and the fact that it still lacks video recording and voice dialing !
MY STINKING SANYO FEATURE PHONE CAN SHOOT VIDEO AND DO VOICE DIALING.Right now I am torn between the Samsung Moment and the HTC Hero I just hope that we see them get 1.6 and 2.0 updates very soon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>None of the metrics really have anything to do with the average user.1.
Freedom from crashes.
random, and forced resets.2.
Freedom to find the applications that I want to run without having to write them myself.3.
Freedom from having to learn a complex and inconsistent UI.Most smart phone users really want and need a good smart phone first.
Most users will never want to root the phone.
How free and open a consumer software system is of little concern if it is not functional.
I would love to see Android and Maemo put in the hands of a new smart phone users that doesn't know FOSS or the GPL from a hole in the ground just to see how functional they are.
I would also like to see a comparison of the SDKs from a programmers point of view.
Finally we can talk about how "free" they are.
All of that is important but usability really is very important and it wasn't talked about in this story at all.I have yet to play with Maemo but my next phone will probably be an Android device.
I don't want to be on the AT&amp;T network so the iPhone is out.
WinMo doesn't really thrill me, and the PalmOS still lacks voice dialing and video recording.
My wife loves her PalmPre but I am disappointed with the SDK and the fact that it still lacks video recording and voice dialing!
MY STINKING SANYO FEATURE PHONE CAN SHOOT VIDEO AND DO VOICE DIALING.Right now I am torn between the Samsung Moment and the HTC Hero I just hope that we see them get 1.6 and 2.0 updates very soon.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29885703</id>
	<title>Re:Why does T-Mobile suck? There's a map for that.</title>
	<author>s73v3r</author>
	<datestamp>1256666880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Agreed. I love T-Mobile where I live now, but whenever I go home, I have zero signal before I even cross the state line.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:( Good thing I have Google Voice, so I can pick up a cheapie burner phone, put its number on my account, and continue as normal.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed .
I love T-Mobile where I live now , but whenever I go home , I have zero signal before I even cross the state line .
: ( Good thing I have Google Voice , so I can pick up a cheapie burner phone , put its number on my account , and continue as normal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.
I love T-Mobile where I live now, but whenever I go home, I have zero signal before I even cross the state line.
:( Good thing I have Google Voice, so I can pick up a cheapie burner phone, put its number on my account, and continue as normal.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883693</id>
	<title>Re:The writer is clueless about end users</title>
	<author>PrescriptionWarning</author>
	<datestamp>1256657760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>that seems no different than the world of PCs and 3rd party applications.  Since phones are becoming more like PCs by the year, why should the expectations based solely on support be any different?  I mean its not like the support people are incapable of figuring out a problem is caused by a 3rd party software and telling the user to bother them instead.</htmltext>
<tokenext>that seems no different than the world of PCs and 3rd party applications .
Since phones are becoming more like PCs by the year , why should the expectations based solely on support be any different ?
I mean its not like the support people are incapable of figuring out a problem is caused by a 3rd party software and telling the user to bother them instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that seems no different than the world of PCs and 3rd party applications.
Since phones are becoming more like PCs by the year, why should the expectations based solely on support be any different?
I mean its not like the support people are incapable of figuring out a problem is caused by a 3rd party software and telling the user to bother them instead.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29884401</id>
	<title>Re:How do I choose?</title>
	<author>SpooForBrains</author>
	<datestamp>1256661000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Handspring Treo (yes, before they were taken over by Palm) had this. In fact, usability wise, the handspring Treo 600 has not been bettered by any device since.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Handspring Treo ( yes , before they were taken over by Palm ) had this .
In fact , usability wise , the handspring Treo 600 has not been bettered by any device since .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Handspring Treo (yes, before they were taken over by Palm) had this.
In fact, usability wise, the handspring Treo 600 has not been bettered by any device since.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29884961</id>
	<title>Re:the "freedoms"</title>
	<author>PeterBrett</author>
	<datestamp>1256663520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>the "freedoms" are an illusion.  so long as either device you buy is tied to a draconian carrier its just another big ass phone screwing up the line of my pants and sucking down 5 hours worth of charge time in 3 days.  the phones may be free, but their features, options and abilities will quickly be restricted at the carrier level.  </p><p>A phone with freedoms is a phone that doesnt require service contracts or "new every 2" plans for hardware.  Its also a phone that lets you question and subvert greedy carrier tactics and, god forbid, gauge and monitor a carriers network performance independently from their own claims of most reliable and most coverage.  buy either one, but remember the freedom stops after the transceiver driver comes up.</p></div><p>So, since you can buy an N900 <a href="http://www.mobilephonesdirect.co.uk/Brands/Nokia/Nseries-Multimedia-Phones/sb489/p26078.aspx" title="mobilephonesdirect.co.uk">without a carrier contract</a> [mobilephonesdirect.co.uk], it's your dream phone, right?</p><p>On the other hand, the contract I'm getting with my N900 gives me unlimited data transfer, unlimited SMS and a big chunk of free talk time. So I'm not particularly worried about "sucking down 5 hours worth of charge time in 3 days." Believe me that if my carrier tries to restrict the capabilities of the phone, it'll be returned to them before you can say "Jack Rabbit" -- and they'll have to take it back.</p><p>But I guess you should ignore me; my lack of a tinfoil hat probably means that I'm imagining all that due to the brainwashing mind control beams irradiating my brain. Enjoy your paranoia!</p></div>
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<tokenext>the " freedoms " are an illusion .
so long as either device you buy is tied to a draconian carrier its just another big ass phone screwing up the line of my pants and sucking down 5 hours worth of charge time in 3 days .
the phones may be free , but their features , options and abilities will quickly be restricted at the carrier level .
A phone with freedoms is a phone that doesnt require service contracts or " new every 2 " plans for hardware .
Its also a phone that lets you question and subvert greedy carrier tactics and , god forbid , gauge and monitor a carriers network performance independently from their own claims of most reliable and most coverage .
buy either one , but remember the freedom stops after the transceiver driver comes up.So , since you can buy an N900 without a carrier contract [ mobilephonesdirect.co.uk ] , it 's your dream phone , right ? On the other hand , the contract I 'm getting with my N900 gives me unlimited data transfer , unlimited SMS and a big chunk of free talk time .
So I 'm not particularly worried about " sucking down 5 hours worth of charge time in 3 days .
" Believe me that if my carrier tries to restrict the capabilities of the phone , it 'll be returned to them before you can say " Jack Rabbit " -- and they 'll have to take it back.But I guess you should ignore me ; my lack of a tinfoil hat probably means that I 'm imagining all that due to the brainwashing mind control beams irradiating my brain .
Enjoy your paranoia !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the "freedoms" are an illusion.
so long as either device you buy is tied to a draconian carrier its just another big ass phone screwing up the line of my pants and sucking down 5 hours worth of charge time in 3 days.
the phones may be free, but their features, options and abilities will quickly be restricted at the carrier level.
A phone with freedoms is a phone that doesnt require service contracts or "new every 2" plans for hardware.
Its also a phone that lets you question and subvert greedy carrier tactics and, god forbid, gauge and monitor a carriers network performance independently from their own claims of most reliable and most coverage.
buy either one, but remember the freedom stops after the transceiver driver comes up.So, since you can buy an N900 without a carrier contract [mobilephonesdirect.co.uk], it's your dream phone, right?On the other hand, the contract I'm getting with my N900 gives me unlimited data transfer, unlimited SMS and a big chunk of free talk time.
So I'm not particularly worried about "sucking down 5 hours worth of charge time in 3 days.
" Believe me that if my carrier tries to restrict the capabilities of the phone, it'll be returned to them before you can say "Jack Rabbit" -- and they'll have to take it back.But I guess you should ignore me; my lack of a tinfoil hat probably means that I'm imagining all that due to the brainwashing mind control beams irradiating my brain.
Enjoy your paranoia!
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29893285</id>
	<title>Re:How do I choose?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256665140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's a one-liner on the n900. Seriously. All doable from the command line in just a single line.<br><br>Of course, someone will wrap that single line up in a horrific bloaty GUI app that sucks memory and battery, but that's the world of GUIs for you.<br><br>Disclaimer - I work for Nokia.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a one-liner on the n900 .
Seriously. All doable from the command line in just a single line.Of course , someone will wrap that single line up in a horrific bloaty GUI app that sucks memory and battery , but that 's the world of GUIs for you.Disclaimer - I work for Nokia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a one-liner on the n900.
Seriously. All doable from the command line in just a single line.Of course, someone will wrap that single line up in a horrific bloaty GUI app that sucks memory and battery, but that's the world of GUIs for you.Disclaimer - I work for Nokia.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29885479</id>
	<title>Re:The writer is clueless about end users</title>
	<author>pradeepsekar</author>
	<datestamp>1256665920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the GSM world, all you have to do is try your SIM on a different device, and you know if it is the network or the device. I prefer manufacturers who get users the features they need in their handsets, and telcos who look after networks. All artificial restrictions go away when you combine this with number portability.</p><p>There is no shortage of bundled and locked handsets and plans in the GSM world too. So subsidizing upfront purchase prices for the particular segment of buyers is very much possible, and happens quite a bit.</p><p>The CDMA platform may be more spectrum efficient, but IMHO, GSM wins out overall - from an user perspective at least.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the GSM world , all you have to do is try your SIM on a different device , and you know if it is the network or the device .
I prefer manufacturers who get users the features they need in their handsets , and telcos who look after networks .
All artificial restrictions go away when you combine this with number portability.There is no shortage of bundled and locked handsets and plans in the GSM world too .
So subsidizing upfront purchase prices for the particular segment of buyers is very much possible , and happens quite a bit.The CDMA platform may be more spectrum efficient , but IMHO , GSM wins out overall - from an user perspective at least .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the GSM world, all you have to do is try your SIM on a different device, and you know if it is the network or the device.
I prefer manufacturers who get users the features they need in their handsets, and telcos who look after networks.
All artificial restrictions go away when you combine this with number portability.There is no shortage of bundled and locked handsets and plans in the GSM world too.
So subsidizing upfront purchase prices for the particular segment of buyers is very much possible, and happens quite a bit.The CDMA platform may be more spectrum efficient, but IMHO, GSM wins out overall - from an user perspective at least.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29887075</id>
	<title>Re:Maemo wins hands down</title>
	<author>MemoryDragon</author>
	<datestamp>1256672640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your personal point of view is not the one of the average user, the reason is, the average user does not care whether he has linux underneath him or if the programs are native c++ programs or java programs, he just wants to have a fine phone ui and wants a machine which works.<br>Same goes for the average programmer who just wants to have tooling and documentation which can get the job done.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your personal point of view is not the one of the average user , the reason is , the average user does not care whether he has linux underneath him or if the programs are native c + + programs or java programs , he just wants to have a fine phone ui and wants a machine which works.Same goes for the average programmer who just wants to have tooling and documentation which can get the job done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your personal point of view is not the one of the average user, the reason is, the average user does not care whether he has linux underneath him or if the programs are native c++ programs or java programs, he just wants to have a fine phone ui and wants a machine which works.Same goes for the average programmer who just wants to have tooling and documentation which can get the job done.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29885617</id>
	<title>Re:How do I choose?</title>
	<author>Late Adopter</author>
	<datestamp>1256666460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I choose the one that will install on the hardware I own. or the one that has the most pro user functions and anti carrier functions...
<br> <br>
I.E. mp3 ringtones that are not locked out.
Backgrounds can be any file I choose to upload to it, same as themes. Give me a way to design and upload a look change without makign the carrier rich.
<br> <br>
All features enabled and systems in place that keep the carrier from disabling features in the phone or forcing an update to my phone that is crippled.
<br> <br>
Allows me to use a voip client at a wifi hotspot to circumvent airtime charges.</p></div><p>The Palm Pre is what you're looking for (though I don't think there's a voip app yet... just that Palm doesn't have the ability to lock one out when it comes around).
<br> <br>
In all seriousness, I love the philosophy behind my Pre.  <b>It doesn't come with an install CD.  There's no such thing as "Pre software".</b>  It works with internet services and data protocols you already have.  Mail, chat, calendar, and contacts sync through Google.  All uploads to the phone (ringtones, wallpapers) and downloads from it (photos) are done on a flat file-system on a USB mass storage device (standard USB micro cable, BTW, the same one that powers it).  Music goes through iTunes, not some branded "Sprint Pre Jukebox" (yes, they should've used the less proprietary MTP, but you can upload as flat files if you like).  Apps can be (and are) created by third parties and installed without Sprint/Palm's approval.  Including a bluetooth tethering app.
<br> <br>
Using common preexisting standards.  Not creating its own protocols to lock you into their services. All features available and unlocked. Slashdotters should approve of this.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I choose the one that will install on the hardware I own .
or the one that has the most pro user functions and anti carrier functions.. . I.E. mp3 ringtones that are not locked out .
Backgrounds can be any file I choose to upload to it , same as themes .
Give me a way to design and upload a look change without makign the carrier rich .
All features enabled and systems in place that keep the carrier from disabling features in the phone or forcing an update to my phone that is crippled .
Allows me to use a voip client at a wifi hotspot to circumvent airtime charges.The Palm Pre is what you 're looking for ( though I do n't think there 's a voip app yet... just that Palm does n't have the ability to lock one out when it comes around ) .
In all seriousness , I love the philosophy behind my Pre .
It does n't come with an install CD .
There 's no such thing as " Pre software " .
It works with internet services and data protocols you already have .
Mail , chat , calendar , and contacts sync through Google .
All uploads to the phone ( ringtones , wallpapers ) and downloads from it ( photos ) are done on a flat file-system on a USB mass storage device ( standard USB micro cable , BTW , the same one that powers it ) .
Music goes through iTunes , not some branded " Sprint Pre Jukebox " ( yes , they should 've used the less proprietary MTP , but you can upload as flat files if you like ) .
Apps can be ( and are ) created by third parties and installed without Sprint/Palm 's approval .
Including a bluetooth tethering app .
Using common preexisting standards .
Not creating its own protocols to lock you into their services .
All features available and unlocked .
Slashdotters should approve of this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I choose the one that will install on the hardware I own.
or the one that has the most pro user functions and anti carrier functions...
 
I.E. mp3 ringtones that are not locked out.
Backgrounds can be any file I choose to upload to it, same as themes.
Give me a way to design and upload a look change without makign the carrier rich.
All features enabled and systems in place that keep the carrier from disabling features in the phone or forcing an update to my phone that is crippled.
Allows me to use a voip client at a wifi hotspot to circumvent airtime charges.The Palm Pre is what you're looking for (though I don't think there's a voip app yet... just that Palm doesn't have the ability to lock one out when it comes around).
In all seriousness, I love the philosophy behind my Pre.
It doesn't come with an install CD.
There's no such thing as "Pre software".
It works with internet services and data protocols you already have.
Mail, chat, calendar, and contacts sync through Google.
All uploads to the phone (ringtones, wallpapers) and downloads from it (photos) are done on a flat file-system on a USB mass storage device (standard USB micro cable, BTW, the same one that powers it).
Music goes through iTunes, not some branded "Sprint Pre Jukebox" (yes, they should've used the less proprietary MTP, but you can upload as flat files if you like).
Apps can be (and are) created by third parties and installed without Sprint/Palm's approval.
Including a bluetooth tethering app.
Using common preexisting standards.
Not creating its own protocols to lock you into their services.
All features available and unlocked.
Slashdotters should approve of this.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29888223</id>
	<title>Re:How do I choose?</title>
	<author>CortoMaltese</author>
	<datestamp>1256634180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Finally scripting.   I want scripting on my phone.   a sequence to happen when number xx-xxx-xxxx calls me.</p></div><p>On the N900 you could use Python and listen for the D-Bus messages related to phone calls.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Finally scripting .
I want scripting on my phone .
a sequence to happen when number xx-xxx-xxxx calls me.On the N900 you could use Python and listen for the D-Bus messages related to phone calls .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Finally scripting.
I want scripting on my phone.
a sequence to happen when number xx-xxx-xxxx calls me.On the N900 you could use Python and listen for the D-Bus messages related to phone calls.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29889127</id>
	<title>Re:Kind of an interesting metric.</title>
	<author>LWATCDR</author>
	<datestamp>1256637720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have nothing bad to say about Maemo at all since I have not used it. My choice of phones is based on availability on my chosen carrier which is Sprint. I have been happy with Sprint,s service and pricing.<br>My complaint was that the piece was totally fluffy feel good FOSS is the one true way and light junk.<br>Nothing about usability, features, SDK, , stability, or quality of applications available.<br>Frankly I hope Maemo is great. Nokia makes very good hardware but S60 is kind of funky and doesn't work all that well with touch screen devices I hear.<br>I would love to see more Nokia phones in the US. The E71 is a very well made phone. If I wasn't going Android and Sprint it would be very temping. Since I like German cars and British TV I figure I have a good chance of liking a funky Finnish OS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have nothing bad to say about Maemo at all since I have not used it .
My choice of phones is based on availability on my chosen carrier which is Sprint .
I have been happy with Sprint,s service and pricing.My complaint was that the piece was totally fluffy feel good FOSS is the one true way and light junk.Nothing about usability , features , SDK , , stability , or quality of applications available.Frankly I hope Maemo is great .
Nokia makes very good hardware but S60 is kind of funky and does n't work all that well with touch screen devices I hear.I would love to see more Nokia phones in the US .
The E71 is a very well made phone .
If I was n't going Android and Sprint it would be very temping .
Since I like German cars and British TV I figure I have a good chance of liking a funky Finnish OS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have nothing bad to say about Maemo at all since I have not used it.
My choice of phones is based on availability on my chosen carrier which is Sprint.
I have been happy with Sprint,s service and pricing.My complaint was that the piece was totally fluffy feel good FOSS is the one true way and light junk.Nothing about usability, features, SDK, , stability, or quality of applications available.Frankly I hope Maemo is great.
Nokia makes very good hardware but S60 is kind of funky and doesn't work all that well with touch screen devices I hear.I would love to see more Nokia phones in the US.
The E71 is a very well made phone.
If I wasn't going Android and Sprint it would be very temping.
Since I like German cars and British TV I figure I have a good chance of liking a funky Finnish OS.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29884207</id>
	<title>Yippee! Cry the app vendors</title>
	<author>phonewebcam</author>
	<datestamp>1256660160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Another format to write for, because like iPhone, Android, J2ME, Symbian, WebOS, &amp; win mobile just isn't stretching us enough.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Another format to write for , because like iPhone , Android , J2ME , Symbian , WebOS , &amp; win mobile just is n't stretching us enough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another format to write for, because like iPhone, Android, J2ME, Symbian, WebOS, &amp; win mobile just isn't stretching us enough.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29887093</id>
	<title>Desktop distros</title>
	<author>YourExperiment</author>
	<datestamp>1256672700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Submitter: are you sure you've picked the right place to call "choosing your favorite desktop distribution" a mundane issue?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>An anonymous reader writes</p></div><p>Ah, that explains it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Submitter : are you sure you 've picked the right place to call " choosing your favorite desktop distribution " a mundane issue ? An anonymous reader writesAh , that explains it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Submitter: are you sure you've picked the right place to call "choosing your favorite desktop distribution" a mundane issue?An anonymous reader writesAh, that explains it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29885013</id>
	<title>Re:How do I choose?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256663820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can do all that on S60.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can do all that on S60 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can do all that on S60.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29885177</id>
	<title>Re:Maemo wins hands down</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256664600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have an N770 sitting in a drawer, unused for at least a year.  Nokia abandoned the N770 not long after it came out, and there are critical bugs in the wireless driver that make the device unusable.  I'm definitely not going back to Maemo.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have an N770 sitting in a drawer , unused for at least a year .
Nokia abandoned the N770 not long after it came out , and there are critical bugs in the wireless driver that make the device unusable .
I 'm definitely not going back to Maemo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have an N770 sitting in a drawer, unused for at least a year.
Nokia abandoned the N770 not long after it came out, and there are critical bugs in the wireless driver that make the device unusable.
I'm definitely not going back to Maemo.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883869</id>
	<title>Re:The writer is clueless about end users</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256658600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Most users don't need root, nor have any need for source code access. Most users have access to support from the manufacturer, and are fine with that.</p></div></blockquote><p>But I'm not "most users" and will choose precisely on criteria like this. I assume I'm the intended audience. Not everything has to be written for the layman.</p><blockquote><div><p>In practice, any Gnome/KDE GUI app will simply not run properly in the display resolution of a phone, and not lend itself well to a touch screen interface. When you want to talk about the great stuff you can do with MAEMO, and you decide to illustrate with XEYES, I say you are out of touch with reality.</p></div></blockquote><p>But this is mostly unimportant. It may not look perfect, but it should be fairly simple to fix the UI, especially when compared with writing from scratch or rewriting significant amounts of the codebase.</p><p>The xeyes thing IMO simply illustrates that you can run any random thing on it without fuss -- which has huge value in my view.</p><blockquote><div><p>Android forces a rewrite of even Java code, but it also provides full application isolation. Nowhere the security advantages of it were considered.</p></div></blockquote><p>As somebody who wants an advanced phone that can be used as a computer and not as a restricted platform I don't really find it much of an advantage. What I want is pretty much a tiny Linux box that fits in my pocket and makes calls. And it looks like that's what it'll be.</p><blockquote><div><p>Android is also offered with root access from Google (ADP) and with the Geekphone from Spain. The fact that you can also buy it in a locked state, doesn't disqualify the platform.</p></div></blockquote><p>Ok, this is interesting, didn't know. Still, that I'm one of the few people with good access to the device lowers its value for me. I may be able to mess all I want with it, but if other people have to jump through hoops to use anything I come up with then that's annoying.</p><blockquote><div><p>As a developer, I also care about the fact that the new MAEMO APIs are scheduled for deprecation before its release. Having a stable, well documented API matters. A lot.</p></div></blockquote><p>Please elaborate on this?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Most users do n't need root , nor have any need for source code access .
Most users have access to support from the manufacturer , and are fine with that.But I 'm not " most users " and will choose precisely on criteria like this .
I assume I 'm the intended audience .
Not everything has to be written for the layman.In practice , any Gnome/KDE GUI app will simply not run properly in the display resolution of a phone , and not lend itself well to a touch screen interface .
When you want to talk about the great stuff you can do with MAEMO , and you decide to illustrate with XEYES , I say you are out of touch with reality.But this is mostly unimportant .
It may not look perfect , but it should be fairly simple to fix the UI , especially when compared with writing from scratch or rewriting significant amounts of the codebase.The xeyes thing IMO simply illustrates that you can run any random thing on it without fuss -- which has huge value in my view.Android forces a rewrite of even Java code , but it also provides full application isolation .
Nowhere the security advantages of it were considered.As somebody who wants an advanced phone that can be used as a computer and not as a restricted platform I do n't really find it much of an advantage .
What I want is pretty much a tiny Linux box that fits in my pocket and makes calls .
And it looks like that 's what it 'll be.Android is also offered with root access from Google ( ADP ) and with the Geekphone from Spain .
The fact that you can also buy it in a locked state , does n't disqualify the platform.Ok , this is interesting , did n't know .
Still , that I 'm one of the few people with good access to the device lowers its value for me .
I may be able to mess all I want with it , but if other people have to jump through hoops to use anything I come up with then that 's annoying.As a developer , I also care about the fact that the new MAEMO APIs are scheduled for deprecation before its release .
Having a stable , well documented API matters .
A lot.Please elaborate on this ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most users don't need root, nor have any need for source code access.
Most users have access to support from the manufacturer, and are fine with that.But I'm not "most users" and will choose precisely on criteria like this.
I assume I'm the intended audience.
Not everything has to be written for the layman.In practice, any Gnome/KDE GUI app will simply not run properly in the display resolution of a phone, and not lend itself well to a touch screen interface.
When you want to talk about the great stuff you can do with MAEMO, and you decide to illustrate with XEYES, I say you are out of touch with reality.But this is mostly unimportant.
It may not look perfect, but it should be fairly simple to fix the UI, especially when compared with writing from scratch or rewriting significant amounts of the codebase.The xeyes thing IMO simply illustrates that you can run any random thing on it without fuss -- which has huge value in my view.Android forces a rewrite of even Java code, but it also provides full application isolation.
Nowhere the security advantages of it were considered.As somebody who wants an advanced phone that can be used as a computer and not as a restricted platform I don't really find it much of an advantage.
What I want is pretty much a tiny Linux box that fits in my pocket and makes calls.
And it looks like that's what it'll be.Android is also offered with root access from Google (ADP) and with the Geekphone from Spain.
The fact that you can also buy it in a locked state, doesn't disqualify the platform.Ok, this is interesting, didn't know.
Still, that I'm one of the few people with good access to the device lowers its value for me.
I may be able to mess all I want with it, but if other people have to jump through hoops to use anything I come up with then that's annoying.As a developer, I also care about the fact that the new MAEMO APIs are scheduled for deprecation before its release.
Having a stable, well documented API matters.
A lot.Please elaborate on this?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29894051</id>
	<title>Re:Maemo wins hands down</title>
	<author>jawahar</author>
	<datestamp>1256762040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Has anybody tried <a href="http://g.ho.st/" title="g.ho.st" rel="nofollow">http://g.ho.st/</a> [g.ho.st] in Maemo and Android?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Has anybody tried http : //g.ho.st/ [ g.ho.st ] in Maemo and Android ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Has anybody tried http://g.ho.st/ [g.ho.st] in Maemo and Android?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29891699</id>
	<title>Re:my 2 cents</title>
	<author>Corson</author>
	<datestamp>1256649720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No Java (or<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.Net) developers will complain that speed is an issue. Otherwise they would be looking elsewhere.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No Java ( or .Net ) developers will complain that speed is an issue .
Otherwise they would be looking elsewhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No Java (or .Net) developers will complain that speed is an issue.
Otherwise they would be looking elsewhere.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29885153</id>
	<title>Re:Maemo wins hands down</title>
	<author>randomlogin</author>
	<datestamp>1256664540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'll add another thing that's missing from my N810 which looks like it's still missing from the N900, which is an 'official' JVM.  The Java CDC profile was designed for devices like this - and the
<a href="https://phoneme.dev.java.net/content/phoneme\_advanced\_r2.html" title="java.net" rel="nofollow"> GPL'd Sun version </a> [java.net] is very ARM-friendly.  I managed to get the foundation version up and running on my N810, but it needs quite a bit of work to get the GUI layers working (I ran into some QT3 versus QT4 threading voodoo when I tried).

</p><p>So, if anyone from Nokia is reading this - I'd like to see a supported CDC personal profile JVM with <a href="http://qt.nokia.com/about/news/preview-of-final-qt-jambi-release-available" title="nokia.com" rel="nofollow"> Jambi </a> [nokia.com] support!

</p><p>Yes - I know that this is all GPL'd code and I should be able to take it and fix it all myself, but having it as a standard part of the platform makes a huge difference.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll add another thing that 's missing from my N810 which looks like it 's still missing from the N900 , which is an 'official ' JVM .
The Java CDC profile was designed for devices like this - and the GPL 'd Sun version [ java.net ] is very ARM-friendly .
I managed to get the foundation version up and running on my N810 , but it needs quite a bit of work to get the GUI layers working ( I ran into some QT3 versus QT4 threading voodoo when I tried ) .
So , if anyone from Nokia is reading this - I 'd like to see a supported CDC personal profile JVM with Jambi [ nokia.com ] support !
Yes - I know that this is all GPL 'd code and I should be able to take it and fix it all myself , but having it as a standard part of the platform makes a huge difference .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll add another thing that's missing from my N810 which looks like it's still missing from the N900, which is an 'official' JVM.
The Java CDC profile was designed for devices like this - and the
 GPL'd Sun version  [java.net] is very ARM-friendly.
I managed to get the foundation version up and running on my N810, but it needs quite a bit of work to get the GUI layers working (I ran into some QT3 versus QT4 threading voodoo when I tried).
So, if anyone from Nokia is reading this - I'd like to see a supported CDC personal profile JVM with  Jambi  [nokia.com] support!
Yes - I know that this is all GPL'd code and I should be able to take it and fix it all myself, but having it as a standard part of the platform makes a huge difference.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883999</id>
	<title>Re:How do I choose?</title>
	<author>ap7</author>
	<datestamp>1256659140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In S60v3 Nokia phones, when you choose to send the SMS, you are presented with the standard SMS writing interface, with a basic template already filled in saying 'Sorry, I will call later'. Simply press send. If you so choose, you can edit it to whatever you want and then press send. Its been around for a long time and I am kind of surprised other phones still have not copied this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In S60v3 Nokia phones , when you choose to send the SMS , you are presented with the standard SMS writing interface , with a basic template already filled in saying 'Sorry , I will call later' .
Simply press send .
If you so choose , you can edit it to whatever you want and then press send .
Its been around for a long time and I am kind of surprised other phones still have not copied this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In S60v3 Nokia phones, when you choose to send the SMS, you are presented with the standard SMS writing interface, with a basic template already filled in saying 'Sorry, I will call later'.
Simply press send.
If you so choose, you can edit it to whatever you want and then press send.
Its been around for a long time and I am kind of surprised other phones still have not copied this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883895</id>
	<title>Re:Send to voice mail</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256658660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> Can land lines receive SMS where you live?</p> </div><p>I don't know about now, because I haven't had a landline for a while, but they definitely could back in 2005.  The text of the message was read out by a voice synthesiser and you had the option to replay it when you received an SMS.  This is in the UK, so it may be different in other places.  They occasionally get celebrities to record the voice samples used for the synthesis.  For a while, Tom Baker was doing the voice, so it sounded like you were being sent a message by The Doctor.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can land lines receive SMS where you live ?
I do n't know about now , because I have n't had a landline for a while , but they definitely could back in 2005 .
The text of the message was read out by a voice synthesiser and you had the option to replay it when you received an SMS .
This is in the UK , so it may be different in other places .
They occasionally get celebrities to record the voice samples used for the synthesis .
For a while , Tom Baker was doing the voice , so it sounded like you were being sent a message by The Doctor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Can land lines receive SMS where you live?
I don't know about now, because I haven't had a landline for a while, but they definitely could back in 2005.
The text of the message was read out by a voice synthesiser and you had the option to replay it when you received an SMS.
This is in the UK, so it may be different in other places.
They occasionally get celebrities to record the voice samples used for the synthesis.
For a while, Tom Baker was doing the voice, so it sounded like you were being sent a message by The Doctor.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883965</id>
	<title>Maemo wins hands down</title>
	<author>the ReviveR</author>
	<datestamp>1256659020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From my personal opinion Android simply doesn't stand a chance. While Android does run Linux kernel it doesn't have X Window etc. It's glorified java platform that doesn't even support full java spec. You can do anything with it, but things will take a lot of work.</p><p>Maemo on the other hand is what I see as a 'real' Linux platform running software stack which makes it pretty trivial to port existing apps to it.</p><p>Stuff I currently run on my N810:<br>-Real browser looking firefox with flash support<br>-MPlayer for playing nearly any format I can throw at it...<br>-Gnumeric for spreadsheets<br>-Battle for Wesnoth, Beneath the steel sky, Duke Nukem 3D when I feel like playing something<br>-Vnc server &amp; client<br>-Gjiten for translating stuff to Japanese. Japanese symbols display nicely etc.</p><p>Only thing I'm really missing is the phone functionality. Even if the only improvement to N900 would be adding that, I would be happy. Adding processing power etc. makes it a must buy for me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From my personal opinion Android simply does n't stand a chance .
While Android does run Linux kernel it does n't have X Window etc .
It 's glorified java platform that does n't even support full java spec .
You can do anything with it , but things will take a lot of work.Maemo on the other hand is what I see as a 'real ' Linux platform running software stack which makes it pretty trivial to port existing apps to it.Stuff I currently run on my N810 : -Real browser looking firefox with flash support-MPlayer for playing nearly any format I can throw at it...-Gnumeric for spreadsheets-Battle for Wesnoth , Beneath the steel sky , Duke Nukem 3D when I feel like playing something-Vnc server &amp; client-Gjiten for translating stuff to Japanese .
Japanese symbols display nicely etc.Only thing I 'm really missing is the phone functionality .
Even if the only improvement to N900 would be adding that , I would be happy .
Adding processing power etc .
makes it a must buy for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From my personal opinion Android simply doesn't stand a chance.
While Android does run Linux kernel it doesn't have X Window etc.
It's glorified java platform that doesn't even support full java spec.
You can do anything with it, but things will take a lot of work.Maemo on the other hand is what I see as a 'real' Linux platform running software stack which makes it pretty trivial to port existing apps to it.Stuff I currently run on my N810:-Real browser looking firefox with flash support-MPlayer for playing nearly any format I can throw at it...-Gnumeric for spreadsheets-Battle for Wesnoth, Beneath the steel sky, Duke Nukem 3D when I feel like playing something-Vnc server &amp; client-Gjiten for translating stuff to Japanese.
Japanese symbols display nicely etc.Only thing I'm really missing is the phone functionality.
Even if the only improvement to N900 would be adding that, I would be happy.
Adding processing power etc.
makes it a must buy for me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883401</id>
	<title>Re:How do I choose?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256656260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That auto-SMS idea is amazing, and one of the reasons why even as an iPhone developer I'm annoyed at Apple for locking us out of making apps to fill in that kind of functionality. I respect that they need to make sure the phone doesn't blow up whatever network it happens to be running on or ring up a $500 bill for the user, but you would think that something that cool would be really trivial to write now that everything else is in place.</p><p>Another idea: why not have the phone give you a couple of options on the auto-SMS that you can write yourself, i.e. "in a meeting right now," "at the theater," "soldering my fingers to the windowsill," or vary the auto-SMS depending on the caller? I don't know if you can roll this kind of functionality yourself on Android, but if you can Apple is going to be sweating bullets in a year or so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That auto-SMS idea is amazing , and one of the reasons why even as an iPhone developer I 'm annoyed at Apple for locking us out of making apps to fill in that kind of functionality .
I respect that they need to make sure the phone does n't blow up whatever network it happens to be running on or ring up a $ 500 bill for the user , but you would think that something that cool would be really trivial to write now that everything else is in place.Another idea : why not have the phone give you a couple of options on the auto-SMS that you can write yourself , i.e .
" in a meeting right now , " " at the theater , " " soldering my fingers to the windowsill , " or vary the auto-SMS depending on the caller ?
I do n't know if you can roll this kind of functionality yourself on Android , but if you can Apple is going to be sweating bullets in a year or so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That auto-SMS idea is amazing, and one of the reasons why even as an iPhone developer I'm annoyed at Apple for locking us out of making apps to fill in that kind of functionality.
I respect that they need to make sure the phone doesn't blow up whatever network it happens to be running on or ring up a $500 bill for the user, but you would think that something that cool would be really trivial to write now that everything else is in place.Another idea: why not have the phone give you a couple of options on the auto-SMS that you can write yourself, i.e.
"in a meeting right now," "at the theater," "soldering my fingers to the windowsill," or vary the auto-SMS depending on the caller?
I don't know if you can roll this kind of functionality yourself on Android, but if you can Apple is going to be sweating bullets in a year or so.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29885405</id>
	<title>Where Have You Been?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256665620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>give you a couple of options on the auto-SMS that you can write yourself, i.e. "in a meeting right now," "at the theater," "soldering my fingers to the windowsill," </i><br>Symbian OS.  It's all there.  It's been there for years.</p><p><i>or vary the auto-SMS depending on the caller?</i><br>Again, Symbian OS.  Been there for years.</p><p><i>Apple is going to be sweating bullets in a year or so.</i><br>I'm going to be modded down for stating the obvious here, but the Symbian OS is years ahead of Apple in many technical ways and certainly more developer friendly.  So, technically, the race was over before it started.  But this isn't about being the better technical product.</p><p>Symbian is more open than ever, but Nokia doesn't advertise it like Apple in the U.S. and the American carriers may not like the fact Symbian is not the media/applications jail an iphone is.  Hopefully, they will be a thorn in the side of Apple for years to come.</p><p><a href="http://www.symbian.org/" title="symbian.org">http://www.symbian.org/</a> [symbian.org]  (flash heavy, but you'll get passed it after a few layers)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>give you a couple of options on the auto-SMS that you can write yourself , i.e .
" in a meeting right now , " " at the theater , " " soldering my fingers to the windowsill , " Symbian OS .
It 's all there .
It 's been there for years.or vary the auto-SMS depending on the caller ? Again , Symbian OS .
Been there for years.Apple is going to be sweating bullets in a year or so.I 'm going to be modded down for stating the obvious here , but the Symbian OS is years ahead of Apple in many technical ways and certainly more developer friendly .
So , technically , the race was over before it started .
But this is n't about being the better technical product.Symbian is more open than ever , but Nokia does n't advertise it like Apple in the U.S. and the American carriers may not like the fact Symbian is not the media/applications jail an iphone is .
Hopefully , they will be a thorn in the side of Apple for years to come.http : //www.symbian.org/ [ symbian.org ] ( flash heavy , but you 'll get passed it after a few layers )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>give you a couple of options on the auto-SMS that you can write yourself, i.e.
"in a meeting right now," "at the theater," "soldering my fingers to the windowsill," Symbian OS.
It's all there.
It's been there for years.or vary the auto-SMS depending on the caller?Again, Symbian OS.
Been there for years.Apple is going to be sweating bullets in a year or so.I'm going to be modded down for stating the obvious here, but the Symbian OS is years ahead of Apple in many technical ways and certainly more developer friendly.
So, technically, the race was over before it started.
But this isn't about being the better technical product.Symbian is more open than ever, but Nokia doesn't advertise it like Apple in the U.S. and the American carriers may not like the fact Symbian is not the media/applications jail an iphone is.
Hopefully, they will be a thorn in the side of Apple for years to come.http://www.symbian.org/ [symbian.org]  (flash heavy, but you'll get passed it after a few layers)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883789</id>
	<title>Re:The writer is clueless about end users</title>
	<author>synoniem</author>
	<datestamp>1256658240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, I do rm-r<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/* quite frequently and do not see the fun of it. But maybe that the lack of fun is because I do it in a chrooted environment to clean it up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I do rm-r / * quite frequently and do not see the fun of it .
But maybe that the lack of fun is because I do it in a chrooted environment to clean it up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I do rm-r /* quite frequently and do not see the fun of it.
But maybe that the lack of fun is because I do it in a chrooted environment to clean it up.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29884805</id>
	<title>Re:Not a chioce right now</title>
	<author>Kenja</author>
	<datestamp>1256662740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Been using my N810 for a while now. Mamo is great. Its one thing to have a stripped down office app on your pda and another to be running Abiword and Gnumeric.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Been using my N810 for a while now .
Mamo is great .
Its one thing to have a stripped down office app on your pda and another to be running Abiword and Gnumeric .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Been using my N810 for a while now.
Mamo is great.
Its one thing to have a stripped down office app on your pda and another to be running Abiword and Gnumeric.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883615</id>
	<title>Pathetic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256657340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And the most clueless<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. reader just revealed himself.</p><p>This is even worse than being clueless. You're insane.</p><p>Why should we have to suffer locked devices just because some braindead users will not understand "INSTALLING THIRD-PARTY SOFTWARE WILL VOID YOUR GUARANTY" written in bold red ? We're grown-up, you're pathetic, I'd hate to be your kid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And the most clueless / .
reader just revealed himself.This is even worse than being clueless .
You 're insane.Why should we have to suffer locked devices just because some braindead users will not understand " INSTALLING THIRD-PARTY SOFTWARE WILL VOID YOUR GUARANTY " written in bold red ?
We 're grown-up , you 're pathetic , I 'd hate to be your kid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And the most clueless /.
reader just revealed himself.This is even worse than being clueless.
You're insane.Why should we have to suffer locked devices just because some braindead users will not understand "INSTALLING THIRD-PARTY SOFTWARE WILL VOID YOUR GUARANTY" written in bold red ?
We're grown-up, you're pathetic, I'd hate to be your kid.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883569</id>
	<title>Re:The writer is clueless about end users</title>
	<author>JohnFen</author>
	<datestamp>1256657160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There must be a nontrivial market consisting of people like me who don't care about support as much as they care about functionality.</p><p>The Maemo looks good. It's the first smartphone that I'm actually excited about!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There must be a nontrivial market consisting of people like me who do n't care about support as much as they care about functionality.The Maemo looks good .
It 's the first smartphone that I 'm actually excited about !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There must be a nontrivial market consisting of people like me who don't care about support as much as they care about functionality.The Maemo looks good.
It's the first smartphone that I'm actually excited about!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29891361</id>
	<title>Re:Send to voice mail</title>
	<author>jrumney</author>
	<datestamp>1256647680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You can also buy landline phones that will accept SMS as text messages, rather than having the nice woman at BT read it back to you.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can also buy landline phones that will accept SMS as text messages , rather than having the nice woman at BT read it back to you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can also buy landline phones that will accept SMS as text messages, rather than having the nice woman at BT read it back to you.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883939</id>
	<title>Most smartphones can. It's the carrier that locks</title>
	<author>Fastfwd</author>
	<datestamp>1256658840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most phones have that. It's the carrier that locks those features.</p><p>There is no technical reason why mp3 ringtones would be locked out. But US carriers will sell the phone as subsidized(binding you to a long term contract in the process) and then earn extra money on mp3 ringtones downloads which are sometimes as expensive as the full track from itunes.</p><p>Your choice. Buy an unlocked phone full price and then pay for service without a contract<br>or<br>Get into a contract and limitations on the phone software</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most phones have that .
It 's the carrier that locks those features.There is no technical reason why mp3 ringtones would be locked out .
But US carriers will sell the phone as subsidized ( binding you to a long term contract in the process ) and then earn extra money on mp3 ringtones downloads which are sometimes as expensive as the full track from itunes.Your choice .
Buy an unlocked phone full price and then pay for service without a contractorGet into a contract and limitations on the phone software</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most phones have that.
It's the carrier that locks those features.There is no technical reason why mp3 ringtones would be locked out.
But US carriers will sell the phone as subsidized(binding you to a long term contract in the process) and then earn extra money on mp3 ringtones downloads which are sometimes as expensive as the full track from itunes.Your choice.
Buy an unlocked phone full price and then pay for service without a contractorGet into a contract and limitations on the phone software</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883185</id>
	<title>Freedom of choice is made for you, my friend</title>
	<author>BadAnalogyGuy</author>
	<datestamp>1256655120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Maemo 5 and Android have received a lot of publicity lately, despite the former not even shipping yet. Both have become famous partly for using the Linux kernel, but now that we have a choice, how do we pick one?</i></p><p>I assume that you'd probably pick the one that you can actually buy. Or you could opt to buy nothing, but that's not really picking one.</p><p>"We" don't really have a choice, do we?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maemo 5 and Android have received a lot of publicity lately , despite the former not even shipping yet .
Both have become famous partly for using the Linux kernel , but now that we have a choice , how do we pick one ? I assume that you 'd probably pick the one that you can actually buy .
Or you could opt to buy nothing , but that 's not really picking one .
" We " do n't really have a choice , do we ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maemo 5 and Android have received a lot of publicity lately, despite the former not even shipping yet.
Both have become famous partly for using the Linux kernel, but now that we have a choice, how do we pick one?I assume that you'd probably pick the one that you can actually buy.
Or you could opt to buy nothing, but that's not really picking one.
"We" don't really have a choice, do we?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29886515</id>
	<title>Biggest difference should be number of handsets</title>
	<author>BlackCreek</author>
	<datestamp>1256670300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I believe that both frameworks will have their own space. Android right now rules the scene as the N900 hasn't even been released.</p><p>The question of openness of Android doesn't really matter at this moment, most users have a G1 and there is a vibrant active community around this particular piece of hardware. Rooting, and turning a G1 into a full ADP (Android Developer Phone) is very well documented.</p><p>I am sure that many FOSS advocates will buy the N900, and it should be extremely well supported.</p><p>The advantage of Android is that there are more than 10 phones released this year, and many more coming next year. The problem with that is that it may fragment the Android FOSS crowd, and so we may not have a new phone with the level of individual support as the G1/ADP.</p><p>At the same time, MAEMO will probably only have a single phone out. Which will probably meant that it will overlooked by many application developers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe that both frameworks will have their own space .
Android right now rules the scene as the N900 has n't even been released.The question of openness of Android does n't really matter at this moment , most users have a G1 and there is a vibrant active community around this particular piece of hardware .
Rooting , and turning a G1 into a full ADP ( Android Developer Phone ) is very well documented.I am sure that many FOSS advocates will buy the N900 , and it should be extremely well supported.The advantage of Android is that there are more than 10 phones released this year , and many more coming next year .
The problem with that is that it may fragment the Android FOSS crowd , and so we may not have a new phone with the level of individual support as the G1/ADP.At the same time , MAEMO will probably only have a single phone out .
Which will probably meant that it will overlooked by many application developers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe that both frameworks will have their own space.
Android right now rules the scene as the N900 hasn't even been released.The question of openness of Android doesn't really matter at this moment, most users have a G1 and there is a vibrant active community around this particular piece of hardware.
Rooting, and turning a G1 into a full ADP (Android Developer Phone) is very well documented.I am sure that many FOSS advocates will buy the N900, and it should be extremely well supported.The advantage of Android is that there are more than 10 phones released this year, and many more coming next year.
The problem with that is that it may fragment the Android FOSS crowd, and so we may not have a new phone with the level of individual support as the G1/ADP.At the same time, MAEMO will probably only have a single phone out.
Which will probably meant that it will overlooked by many application developers.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29886879</id>
	<title>Re:maymo? memo? meemo?</title>
	<author>Nirvelli</author>
	<datestamp>1256671920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Nokia guys seem to be pronouncing it "my-mo" in their interviews and stuff.
<br> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP5R-5NX1BE" title="youtube.com">YouTube</a> [youtube.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Nokia guys seem to be pronouncing it " my-mo " in their interviews and stuff .
YouTube [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Nokia guys seem to be pronouncing it "my-mo" in their interviews and stuff.
YouTube [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1335227.29883269</id>
	<title>How do I choose?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256655600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I choose the one that will install on the hardware I own.  or the one that has the most pro user functions and anti carrier functions...</p><p>I.E.  mp3 ringtones that are not locked out.<br>Backgrounds can be any file I choose to upload to it, same as themes. Give me a way to design and upload a look change without makign the carrier rich.</p><p>All features enabled and systems in place that keep the carrier from disabling features in the phone or forcing an update to my phone that is crippled.</p><p>Allows me to use a voip client at a wifi hotspot to circumvent airtime charges.</p><p>there are features on my S60 phone that I dont see anywhere else.   If I press end on a ringing call it will SMS that person with a "I'm really busy right now, I'll call you back as soon as I can"   That is a ROCKING feature that I dont see on any of these phones.</p><p>Finally scripting.   I want scripting on my phone.   a sequence to happen when number xx-xxx-xxxx calls me.</p><p>So I choose whatever empowers me and works on my hardware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I choose the one that will install on the hardware I own .
or the one that has the most pro user functions and anti carrier functions...I.E .
mp3 ringtones that are not locked out.Backgrounds can be any file I choose to upload to it , same as themes .
Give me a way to design and upload a look change without makign the carrier rich.All features enabled and systems in place that keep the carrier from disabling features in the phone or forcing an update to my phone that is crippled.Allows me to use a voip client at a wifi hotspot to circumvent airtime charges.there are features on my S60 phone that I dont see anywhere else .
If I press end on a ringing call it will SMS that person with a " I 'm really busy right now , I 'll call you back as soon as I can " That is a ROCKING feature that I dont see on any of these phones.Finally scripting .
I want scripting on my phone .
a sequence to happen when number xx-xxx-xxxx calls me.So I choose whatever empowers me and works on my hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I choose the one that will install on the hardware I own.
or the one that has the most pro user functions and anti carrier functions...I.E.
mp3 ringtones that are not locked out.Backgrounds can be any file I choose to upload to it, same as themes.
Give me a way to design and upload a look change without makign the carrier rich.All features enabled and systems in place that keep the carrier from disabling features in the phone or forcing an update to my phone that is crippled.Allows me to use a voip client at a wifi hotspot to circumvent airtime charges.there are features on my S60 phone that I dont see anywhere else.
If I press end on a ringing call it will SMS that person with a "I'm really busy right now, I'll call you back as soon as I can"   That is a ROCKING feature that I dont see on any of these phones.Finally scripting.
I want scripting on my phone.
a sequence to happen when number xx-xxx-xxxx calls me.So I choose whatever empowers me and works on my hardware.</sentencetext>
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