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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_10_26_1420213</id>
	<title>Swiss Experimenter Breeds Swarm Intelligence</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1256578680000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>destinyland writes <i>"<a href="http://hplusmagazine.com/articles/ai/darwin\%E2\%80\%99s-robots">Researchers simulated evolution with multiple generations of food-seeking robots</a> in a new study of artificial swarm intelligence. 'Under some conditions, sophisticated communication evolved,' says one researcher. And in a more recent study, the swarms of bots didn't just evolve cooperative strategies &mdash; they also evolved the ability to deceive. ('Forget zombies,' joked one commenter. 'This is the real threat.') 'The study of artificial swarm intelligence provides insight into the nature of intelligence in general, and offers an interesting perspective on the nature of Darwinian selection, competition, and cooperation.' And there's also some cool video of the bots in action."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>destinyland writes " Researchers simulated evolution with multiple generations of food-seeking robots in a new study of artificial swarm intelligence .
'Under some conditions , sophisticated communication evolved, ' says one researcher .
And in a more recent study , the swarms of bots did n't just evolve cooperative strategies    they also evolved the ability to deceive .
( 'Forget zombies, ' joked one commenter .
'This is the real threat .
' ) 'The study of artificial swarm intelligence provides insight into the nature of intelligence in general , and offers an interesting perspective on the nature of Darwinian selection , competition , and cooperation .
' And there 's also some cool video of the bots in action .
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<sentencetext>destinyland writes "Researchers simulated evolution with multiple generations of food-seeking robots in a new study of artificial swarm intelligence.
'Under some conditions, sophisticated communication evolved,' says one researcher.
And in a more recent study, the swarms of bots didn't just evolve cooperative strategies — they also evolved the ability to deceive.
('Forget zombies,' joked one commenter.
'This is the real threat.
') 'The study of artificial swarm intelligence provides insight into the nature of intelligence in general, and offers an interesting perspective on the nature of Darwinian selection, competition, and cooperation.
' And there's also some cool video of the bots in action.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29877127</id>
	<title>Re:Waste of time</title>
	<author>Monkeedude1212</author>
	<datestamp>1256550420000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Clearly you missed the point of the Great Movie "Short Circuit"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Clearly you missed the point of the Great Movie " Short Circuit "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Clearly you missed the point of the Great Movie "Short Circuit"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29881813</id>
	<title>Re:Skynet shows its face again</title>
	<author>Xest</author>
	<datestamp>1256640120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know you're joking but this seems as relevant a place as any to point out some points about this, swarm intelligence is really about emergent properties of largely random systems.</p><p>Ants for example will spread out randomly from the nest looking for food, when they find it they will return with a piece of it to the hive leaving a pheromone trail behind, other ants that are moving about randomly may cross this trail and follow it, they will reach the food too by following it and will also leave a pheromone trail as they return with the food. As more ants do this the pheromone trail will get stronger and stronger until all the ants have detected it and followed it, when the food source runs out they will stop dropping pheromones and the trail will decay sending the ants back to their random pattern until they find other food.</p><p>It is indeed quite arguably intelligence, but it's different from the idea of a brain- it's certainly not sentient thought for example.</p><p>I haven't yet read TFA but I'm not sure what exactly has been achieved as emergent swarm intelligence is not new, because that's what swarm intelligence is based on- emergence.</p><p>What is particularly interesting is that these patterns seen in nature can be witnessed to evolve in artificial systems as it reinforces the idea of Darwinian evolution, not just as a theory of how species come to be, but a theory about a large, more generic pattern that can be witnessed everywhere. This is not new of course, we have seen similar ideas applied to financial markets for example. We even have an understanding of this abstract idea- this is where chaos theory comes in, Wikipedia has some decent relevant articles, see these two for example:</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos\_theory" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos\_theory</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-organized\_criticality" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-organized\_criticality</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>But anyway, I digress. The point is that swarm intelligence is not really so much about producing things that can think for themselves and make concious decisions like a killer robot from Terminator would seem to be able to do, it's about exploiting emergence and self organisation to get the swarm to perform seemingly intelligent actions (like maybe arranging a puzzle correctly) even if there is no actual individual intelligence behind the agents involved in performing those actions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know you 're joking but this seems as relevant a place as any to point out some points about this , swarm intelligence is really about emergent properties of largely random systems.Ants for example will spread out randomly from the nest looking for food , when they find it they will return with a piece of it to the hive leaving a pheromone trail behind , other ants that are moving about randomly may cross this trail and follow it , they will reach the food too by following it and will also leave a pheromone trail as they return with the food .
As more ants do this the pheromone trail will get stronger and stronger until all the ants have detected it and followed it , when the food source runs out they will stop dropping pheromones and the trail will decay sending the ants back to their random pattern until they find other food.It is indeed quite arguably intelligence , but it 's different from the idea of a brain- it 's certainly not sentient thought for example.I have n't yet read TFA but I 'm not sure what exactly has been achieved as emergent swarm intelligence is not new , because that 's what swarm intelligence is based on- emergence.What is particularly interesting is that these patterns seen in nature can be witnessed to evolve in artificial systems as it reinforces the idea of Darwinian evolution , not just as a theory of how species come to be , but a theory about a large , more generic pattern that can be witnessed everywhere .
This is not new of course , we have seen similar ideas applied to financial markets for example .
We even have an understanding of this abstract idea- this is where chaos theory comes in , Wikipedia has some decent relevant articles , see these two for example : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos \ _theory [ wikipedia.org ] http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-organized \ _criticality [ wikipedia.org ] But anyway , I digress .
The point is that swarm intelligence is not really so much about producing things that can think for themselves and make concious decisions like a killer robot from Terminator would seem to be able to do , it 's about exploiting emergence and self organisation to get the swarm to perform seemingly intelligent actions ( like maybe arranging a puzzle correctly ) even if there is no actual individual intelligence behind the agents involved in performing those actions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know you're joking but this seems as relevant a place as any to point out some points about this, swarm intelligence is really about emergent properties of largely random systems.Ants for example will spread out randomly from the nest looking for food, when they find it they will return with a piece of it to the hive leaving a pheromone trail behind, other ants that are moving about randomly may cross this trail and follow it, they will reach the food too by following it and will also leave a pheromone trail as they return with the food.
As more ants do this the pheromone trail will get stronger and stronger until all the ants have detected it and followed it, when the food source runs out they will stop dropping pheromones and the trail will decay sending the ants back to their random pattern until they find other food.It is indeed quite arguably intelligence, but it's different from the idea of a brain- it's certainly not sentient thought for example.I haven't yet read TFA but I'm not sure what exactly has been achieved as emergent swarm intelligence is not new, because that's what swarm intelligence is based on- emergence.What is particularly interesting is that these patterns seen in nature can be witnessed to evolve in artificial systems as it reinforces the idea of Darwinian evolution, not just as a theory of how species come to be, but a theory about a large, more generic pattern that can be witnessed everywhere.
This is not new of course, we have seen similar ideas applied to financial markets for example.
We even have an understanding of this abstract idea- this is where chaos theory comes in, Wikipedia has some decent relevant articles, see these two for example:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos\_theory [wikipedia.org]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-organized\_criticality [wikipedia.org]But anyway, I digress.
The point is that swarm intelligence is not really so much about producing things that can think for themselves and make concious decisions like a killer robot from Terminator would seem to be able to do, it's about exploiting emergence and self organisation to get the swarm to perform seemingly intelligent actions (like maybe arranging a puzzle correctly) even if there is no actual individual intelligence behind the agents involved in performing those actions.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29875631</id>
	<title>Re:Robotic Evolution</title>
	<author>daboochmeister</author>
	<datestamp>1256587140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Calm down, if you watch the video, you'll see we can easily outrun them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Calm down , if you watch the video , you 'll see we can easily outrun them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Calm down, if you watch the video, you'll see we can easily outrun them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29876307</id>
	<title>Re:Waste of time</title>
	<author>thesandtiger</author>
	<datestamp>1256590500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because intelligence isn't just a software thing. At least not in humans.</p><p>I recall reading about field programmable gate arrays being used in an experiment with genetic algorithms. They wanted to force the FPGAs to evolve to tell the difference between two different frequency sounds. Eventually they wound up with chips that accomplished the task in a variety of ways - ways that worked but for no explicable reason, some of them being ways that took advantage of tiny differences in the individual (identical, at least from a manufacturing perspective) chips, and even that required slight differences in the room's environment. This was years ago.</p><p>Simulations won't have those little idiosyncraces between individual units and thus might miss a huge component. Variation among individuals that is only in software misses the whole concept of variation between individuals that comes about from hardware, and also from the interaction between the two.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because intelligence is n't just a software thing .
At least not in humans.I recall reading about field programmable gate arrays being used in an experiment with genetic algorithms .
They wanted to force the FPGAs to evolve to tell the difference between two different frequency sounds .
Eventually they wound up with chips that accomplished the task in a variety of ways - ways that worked but for no explicable reason , some of them being ways that took advantage of tiny differences in the individual ( identical , at least from a manufacturing perspective ) chips , and even that required slight differences in the room 's environment .
This was years ago.Simulations wo n't have those little idiosyncraces between individual units and thus might miss a huge component .
Variation among individuals that is only in software misses the whole concept of variation between individuals that comes about from hardware , and also from the interaction between the two .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because intelligence isn't just a software thing.
At least not in humans.I recall reading about field programmable gate arrays being used in an experiment with genetic algorithms.
They wanted to force the FPGAs to evolve to tell the difference between two different frequency sounds.
Eventually they wound up with chips that accomplished the task in a variety of ways - ways that worked but for no explicable reason, some of them being ways that took advantage of tiny differences in the individual (identical, at least from a manufacturing perspective) chips, and even that required slight differences in the room's environment.
This was years ago.Simulations won't have those little idiosyncraces between individual units and thus might miss a huge component.
Variation among individuals that is only in software misses the whole concept of variation between individuals that comes about from hardware, and also from the interaction between the two.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29874835</id>
	<title>Re:Didn't they read Prey!?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256583420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They didn't look very nano to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They did n't look very nano to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They didn't look very nano to me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29874713</id>
	<title>Russian Science Fiction</title>
	<author>gmuslera</author>
	<datestamp>1256582940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Crabs Take Over the Island" by Anatoly Dnieprov is somewhat based on the same idea, not in that swarm scale, but scary anyway.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Crabs Take Over the Island " by Anatoly Dnieprov is somewhat based on the same idea , not in that swarm scale , but scary anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Crabs Take Over the Island" by Anatoly Dnieprov is somewhat based on the same idea, not in that swarm scale, but scary anyway.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29874759</id>
	<title>Hyperbolic Claims... what's behind the curtain?</title>
	<author>virmaior</author>
	<datestamp>1256583120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>conspicuously absent is any explanation of what is meant by "learned" in this context or how the algorithms "evolved"</htmltext>
<tokenext>conspicuously absent is any explanation of what is meant by " learned " in this context or how the algorithms " evolved "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>conspicuously absent is any explanation of what is meant by "learned" in this context or how the algorithms "evolved"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29875611</id>
	<title>worst spaghetti code ever</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256587080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One question that intrigues me is just how human-readable the code produced by such genetic algorithms is.  Some of the practical promise of this work is that it produces problem-solving code in ways very difficult from that of human programmers -- but how can such code be maintained by humans?  It's a bit like making an engineer try to figure out how your lower intestine works.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One question that intrigues me is just how human-readable the code produced by such genetic algorithms is .
Some of the practical promise of this work is that it produces problem-solving code in ways very difficult from that of human programmers -- but how can such code be maintained by humans ?
It 's a bit like making an engineer try to figure out how your lower intestine works .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One question that intrigues me is just how human-readable the code produced by such genetic algorithms is.
Some of the practical promise of this work is that it produces problem-solving code in ways very difficult from that of human programmers -- but how can such code be maintained by humans?
It's a bit like making an engineer try to figure out how your lower intestine works.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29875025</id>
	<title>I don't know about any of you, but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256584260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I for one welcome our new multi-generational food-seeking robot-overlords' swarm intelligence.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I for one welcome our new multi-generational food-seeking robot-overlords ' swarm intelligence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I for one welcome our new multi-generational food-seeking robot-overlords' swarm intelligence.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29877937</id>
	<title>Re:Real hardware is more information rich</title>
	<author>janimal</author>
	<datestamp>1256553720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>It's true that the simulation will not simulate analog properties, but then again, that's not your desired behaviour. You want to be able to copy your boards, so your evolved "solution" can be manufactured after you've reached it.</p><p>I read a similar article in Scientific American in the early 90's. The problem was recognizing 1000Hz signal on an input. The chips also learned to recognize it using their analog, instead of their digital, properties, and the evolved program could not be copied to a different chip.</p><p>A full simulation will let you develop an algorithm that actually takes advantage of the properties of the chips that you are able to replicate.... or not. I just remembered about glitches. Glitches on the physical chip may break your perfect simulation model. I guess the best way to do it would be to have the robots fabricate their offspring. On second thought, the first genius, who comes up with THAT will make the "4th variety" come true .</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's true that the simulation will not simulate analog properties , but then again , that 's not your desired behaviour .
You want to be able to copy your boards , so your evolved " solution " can be manufactured after you 've reached it.I read a similar article in Scientific American in the early 90 's .
The problem was recognizing 1000Hz signal on an input .
The chips also learned to recognize it using their analog , instead of their digital , properties , and the evolved program could not be copied to a different chip.A full simulation will let you develop an algorithm that actually takes advantage of the properties of the chips that you are able to replicate.... or not .
I just remembered about glitches .
Glitches on the physical chip may break your perfect simulation model .
I guess the best way to do it would be to have the robots fabricate their offspring .
On second thought , the first genius , who comes up with THAT will make the " 4th variety " come true .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's true that the simulation will not simulate analog properties, but then again, that's not your desired behaviour.
You want to be able to copy your boards, so your evolved "solution" can be manufactured after you've reached it.I read a similar article in Scientific American in the early 90's.
The problem was recognizing 1000Hz signal on an input.
The chips also learned to recognize it using their analog, instead of their digital, properties, and the evolved program could not be copied to a different chip.A full simulation will let you develop an algorithm that actually takes advantage of the properties of the chips that you are able to replicate.... or not.
I just remembered about glitches.
Glitches on the physical chip may break your perfect simulation model.
I guess the best way to do it would be to have the robots fabricate their offspring.
On second thought, the first genius, who comes up with THAT will make the "4th variety" come true .</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29875751</id>
	<title>Re:Real hardware is more information rich</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256587680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.damninteresting.com/on-the-origin-of-circuits" title="damninteresting.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.damninteresting.com/on-the-origin-of-circuits</a> [damninteresting.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.damninteresting.com/on-the-origin-of-circuits [ damninteresting.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.damninteresting.com/on-the-origin-of-circuits [damninteresting.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29875039</id>
	<title>Forget Zombies?</title>
	<author>Chrigi</author>
	<datestamp>1256584380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>Of course he was only joking! He knows just as well as we all do, that the outbreak of a Zombie apocalypse is way more likely than his swarm bots eating our brains. Because the robots won't reproduce exponentially by eating your brains, they will have to rely on the superior robotics skills of the zombies to survive.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course he was only joking !
He knows just as well as we all do , that the outbreak of a Zombie apocalypse is way more likely than his swarm bots eating our brains .
Because the robots wo n't reproduce exponentially by eating your brains , they will have to rely on the superior robotics skills of the zombies to survive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course he was only joking!
He knows just as well as we all do, that the outbreak of a Zombie apocalypse is way more likely than his swarm bots eating our brains.
Because the robots won't reproduce exponentially by eating your brains, they will have to rely on the superior robotics skills of the zombies to survive.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29877621</id>
	<title>Re:Waste of time</title>
	<author>raftpeople</author>
	<datestamp>1256552460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>Our computers are not powerful enough to simulate reality to the same level of detail that real devices operate on and even if they were the level of programming would be enormous.<br> <br>
It is far more efficient to use real devices, although simulations can be very useful also.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Our computers are not powerful enough to simulate reality to the same level of detail that real devices operate on and even if they were the level of programming would be enormous .
It is far more efficient to use real devices , although simulations can be very useful also .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Our computers are not powerful enough to simulate reality to the same level of detail that real devices operate on and even if they were the level of programming would be enormous.
It is far more efficient to use real devices, although simulations can be very useful also.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29877635</id>
	<title>See the work of philosopher Patrick Grim from 2000</title>
	<author>Paul Fernhout</author>
	<datestamp>1256552520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Evolution of Communication in Perfect and Imperfect Worlds "<br><a href="http://sunysb.edu/philosophy//faculty/pgrim/pgrim\_publications.html" title="sunysb.edu">http://sunysb.edu/philosophy//faculty/pgrim/pgrim\_publications.html</a> [sunysb.edu]<br><a href="http://www.sunysb.edu/philosophy/faculty/pgrim/evolution.htm" title="sunysb.edu">http://www.sunysb.edu/philosophy/faculty/pgrim/evolution.htm</a> [sunysb.edu]<br>"We extend previous work on cooperation to some related questions regarding the evolution of simple forms of communication. The evolution of cooperation within the iterated Prisoner's Dilemma has been shown to follow different patterns, with significantly different outcomes, depending on whether the features of the model are classically perfect or stochastically imperfect (Axelrod 1980a, 1980b, 1984, 1985; Axelrod and Hamilton, 1981; Nowak and Sigmund, 1990, 1992; Sigmund 1993). Our results here show that the same holds for communication. Within a simple model, the evolution of communication seems to require a stochastically imperfect world. "</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Evolution of Communication in Perfect and Imperfect Worlds " http : //sunysb.edu/philosophy//faculty/pgrim/pgrim \ _publications.html [ sunysb.edu ] http : //www.sunysb.edu/philosophy/faculty/pgrim/evolution.htm [ sunysb.edu ] " We extend previous work on cooperation to some related questions regarding the evolution of simple forms of communication .
The evolution of cooperation within the iterated Prisoner 's Dilemma has been shown to follow different patterns , with significantly different outcomes , depending on whether the features of the model are classically perfect or stochastically imperfect ( Axelrod 1980a , 1980b , 1984 , 1985 ; Axelrod and Hamilton , 1981 ; Nowak and Sigmund , 1990 , 1992 ; Sigmund 1993 ) .
Our results here show that the same holds for communication .
Within a simple model , the evolution of communication seems to require a stochastically imperfect world .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Evolution of Communication in Perfect and Imperfect Worlds "http://sunysb.edu/philosophy//faculty/pgrim/pgrim\_publications.html [sunysb.edu]http://www.sunysb.edu/philosophy/faculty/pgrim/evolution.htm [sunysb.edu]"We extend previous work on cooperation to some related questions regarding the evolution of simple forms of communication.
The evolution of cooperation within the iterated Prisoner's Dilemma has been shown to follow different patterns, with significantly different outcomes, depending on whether the features of the model are classically perfect or stochastically imperfect (Axelrod 1980a, 1980b, 1984, 1985; Axelrod and Hamilton, 1981; Nowak and Sigmund, 1990, 1992; Sigmund 1993).
Our results here show that the same holds for communication.
Within a simple model, the evolution of communication seems to require a stochastically imperfect world.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29874767</id>
	<title>The ability to deceive?</title>
	<author>Thanshin</author>
	<datestamp>1256583180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>they also evolved the ability to deceive.</p> </div><p>Obviously, once you've proved the entity has the ability to deceive, you must distrust any further results.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>they also evolved the ability to deceive .
Obviously , once you 've proved the entity has the ability to deceive , you must distrust any further results .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>they also evolved the ability to deceive.
Obviously, once you've proved the entity has the ability to deceive, you must distrust any further results.
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	<title>Re:Didn't they read Prey!?</title>
	<author>savuporo</author>
	<datestamp>1256551860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>By sci-fi standards, its a pretty bad cliche-ridden paperback. Nothing novel or interesting. ( Yes, i was in a small airport with really limited bookshelves )</htmltext>
<tokenext>By sci-fi standards , its a pretty bad cliche-ridden paperback .
Nothing novel or interesting .
( Yes , i was in a small airport with really limited bookshelves )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By sci-fi standards, its a pretty bad cliche-ridden paperback.
Nothing novel or interesting.
( Yes, i was in a small airport with really limited bookshelves )</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29874695</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29885475</id>
	<title>Re:Real hardware is more information rich</title>
	<author>matt20102</author>
	<datestamp>1256665920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This happens all the time- you might know it better as the phrase:  "It works on my machine!"</htmltext>
<tokenext>This happens all the time- you might know it better as the phrase : " It works on my machine !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This happens all the time- you might know it better as the phrase:  "It works on my machine!
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29875105</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29879799</id>
	<title>Re:Robotic Evolution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256566320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But who created the great nerd in the sky? It's nerds all the way down.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But who created the great nerd in the sky ?
It 's nerds all the way down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But who created the great nerd in the sky?
It's nerds all the way down.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29874773</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29875583</id>
	<title>Nanites</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256586840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh, so it's just like that episode of Star Trek where tonnes of tiny intelligent robots take over the Enterprise.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , so it 's just like that episode of Star Trek where tonnes of tiny intelligent robots take over the Enterprise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, so it's just like that episode of Star Trek where tonnes of tiny intelligent robots take over the Enterprise.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29875153</id>
	<title>Ah, but that's too short timeframe</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256584860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You should see what the next generation looks like, based on how many of the anonymous get to reproduce.</p><p>I think that 4chan would be the equivalent of "poison" in the tests.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You should see what the next generation looks like , based on how many of the anonymous get to reproduce.I think that 4chan would be the equivalent of " poison " in the tests .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You should see what the next generation looks like, based on how many of the anonymous get to reproduce.I think that 4chan would be the equivalent of "poison" in the tests.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29874633</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29881665</id>
	<title>Re:Of all the countries...</title>
	<author>JockTroll</author>
	<datestamp>1256637420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You loserboy nerd. Doctor Viktor Frankenstein, the original Modern Prometheus who built the first artificial jock, was a Swiss. Read the novel again, when you have mastered the highly physical, competitive sport of Book Reading.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You loserboy nerd .
Doctor Viktor Frankenstein , the original Modern Prometheus who built the first artificial jock , was a Swiss .
Read the novel again , when you have mastered the highly physical , competitive sport of Book Reading .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You loserboy nerd.
Doctor Viktor Frankenstein, the original Modern Prometheus who built the first artificial jock, was a Swiss.
Read the novel again, when you have mastered the highly physical, competitive sport of Book Reading.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29874629</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29874649</id>
	<title>slashdot!</title>
	<author>Thornburg</author>
	<datestamp>1256582640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In other news, an experiment by SourceForge, using it's meatspace zombienet "Slashdot" proved that even Google-owned YouTube can be brought to it's knees by enough people trying to watch the same video at the same time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In other news , an experiment by SourceForge , using it 's meatspace zombienet " Slashdot " proved that even Google-owned YouTube can be brought to it 's knees by enough people trying to watch the same video at the same time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In other news, an experiment by SourceForge, using it's meatspace zombienet "Slashdot" proved that even Google-owned YouTube can be brought to it's knees by enough people trying to watch the same video at the same time.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29879597</id>
	<title>Apple sponsored?</title>
	<author>recharged95</author>
	<datestamp>1256564400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm surprised they didn't use a Windows symbol instead of those skull and bones.
<br>
<br>
That apple looks like a familiar sticker one gets when buying a certain computer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm surprised they did n't use a Windows symbol instead of those skull and bones .
That apple looks like a familiar sticker one gets when buying a certain computer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm surprised they didn't use a Windows symbol instead of those skull and bones.
That apple looks like a familiar sticker one gets when buying a certain computer.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29875431</id>
	<title>What does it tell about the intelligent designer?</title>
	<author>140Mandak262Jamuna</author>
	<datestamp>1256586060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just with the limited human intelligence, limited resources and limited ability the researchers are able to create great levels of cooperation on mindless robots without any free will.  Makes me wonder, if we are designed, as many Intelligent Design advocates claim we are, was the designer "intelligent"? With infinite wisdom and omnipotence and infinite resources, the Designer (or Designers) should have been able to create much more cooperative human beings. No wars. all peace. I wonder how they (the IDists) are able to square their ability ti "infer design" with the obvious "deficiencies of design".</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just with the limited human intelligence , limited resources and limited ability the researchers are able to create great levels of cooperation on mindless robots without any free will .
Makes me wonder , if we are designed , as many Intelligent Design advocates claim we are , was the designer " intelligent " ?
With infinite wisdom and omnipotence and infinite resources , the Designer ( or Designers ) should have been able to create much more cooperative human beings .
No wars .
all peace .
I wonder how they ( the IDists ) are able to square their ability ti " infer design " with the obvious " deficiencies of design " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just with the limited human intelligence, limited resources and limited ability the researchers are able to create great levels of cooperation on mindless robots without any free will.
Makes me wonder, if we are designed, as many Intelligent Design advocates claim we are, was the designer "intelligent"?
With infinite wisdom and omnipotence and infinite resources, the Designer (or Designers) should have been able to create much more cooperative human beings.
No wars.
all peace.
I wonder how they (the IDists) are able to square their ability ti "infer design" with the obvious "deficiencies of design".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29877271</id>
	<title>Re:What does it tell about the intelligent designe</title>
	<author>Libertarian001</author>
	<datestamp>1256551020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>soooooo... Destiny vs. free will &amp; self-determination?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>soooooo... Destiny vs. free will &amp; self-determination ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>soooooo... Destiny vs. free will &amp; self-determination?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29875431</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29876627</id>
	<title>Re:What does it tell about the intelligent designe</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256548680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're assuming that the 'designers' intended to create a cooperative, peaceful world of human beings to begin with.  The design may be deficient in achieving your criteria, but you are projecting your own idealistic design upon any 'designers' as evidence that they didn't have the kind of planning and or foresight that ID advocates advocate.  All experiments come to an end when some predetermined threshold is crossed, one way or another.  To be sure, if we are living in some sort of planned experiment, it probably comes to a rather abrupt end.</p><p>As for evolution and cooperation of mindless robots; there would be no evolution or cooperation if the scientists conducting the experiment had not "designed" those abilities into the robots from the start.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're assuming that the 'designers ' intended to create a cooperative , peaceful world of human beings to begin with .
The design may be deficient in achieving your criteria , but you are projecting your own idealistic design upon any 'designers ' as evidence that they did n't have the kind of planning and or foresight that ID advocates advocate .
All experiments come to an end when some predetermined threshold is crossed , one way or another .
To be sure , if we are living in some sort of planned experiment , it probably comes to a rather abrupt end.As for evolution and cooperation of mindless robots ; there would be no evolution or cooperation if the scientists conducting the experiment had not " designed " those abilities into the robots from the start .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're assuming that the 'designers' intended to create a cooperative, peaceful world of human beings to begin with.
The design may be deficient in achieving your criteria, but you are projecting your own idealistic design upon any 'designers' as evidence that they didn't have the kind of planning and or foresight that ID advocates advocate.
All experiments come to an end when some predetermined threshold is crossed, one way or another.
To be sure, if we are living in some sort of planned experiment, it probably comes to a rather abrupt end.As for evolution and cooperation of mindless robots; there would be no evolution or cooperation if the scientists conducting the experiment had not "designed" those abilities into the robots from the start.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29875431</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29874755</id>
	<title>Hullabaloooo</title>
	<author>jasno</author>
	<datestamp>1256583120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cool - but why use real robots for this?  Seems like you'd be better off creating virtual robots in a simulated environment to develop the algorithms for something like this.  You don't have to worry about dead batteries and hardware failures, and your simulations can run faster than real-time.</p><p>Then again, maybe that's what the researcher did, and we're just seeing the end product applied to real robots.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cool - but why use real robots for this ?
Seems like you 'd be better off creating virtual robots in a simulated environment to develop the algorithms for something like this .
You do n't have to worry about dead batteries and hardware failures , and your simulations can run faster than real-time.Then again , maybe that 's what the researcher did , and we 're just seeing the end product applied to real robots .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cool - but why use real robots for this?
Seems like you'd be better off creating virtual robots in a simulated environment to develop the algorithms for something like this.
You don't have to worry about dead batteries and hardware failures, and your simulations can run faster than real-time.Then again, maybe that's what the researcher did, and we're just seeing the end product applied to real robots.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29874935</id>
	<title>Re:Of all the countries...</title>
	<author>oldspewey</author>
	<datestamp>1256583840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>If history has taught us anything, it's that if you wait long enough, eventually the Germans will come to you.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If history has taught us anything , it 's that if you wait long enough , eventually the Germans will come to you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If history has taught us anything, it's that if you wait long enough, eventually the Germans will come to you.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29874629</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29875071</id>
	<title>Re:The ability to deceive?</title>
	<author>Hinhule</author>
	<datestamp>1256584500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And you'll have to go back to your earlier results and wonder, when did it start deceiving?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And you 'll have to go back to your earlier results and wonder , when did it start deceiving ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And you'll have to go back to your earlier results and wonder, when did it start deceiving?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29874767</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29879281</id>
	<title>Re:worst spaghetti code ever</title>
	<author>raftpeople</author>
	<datestamp>1256562060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't think it's possible to look at a neural network and understand what's going on other than from the math perspective in that you know in general terms what a neural network does (function approximation).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think it 's possible to look at a neural network and understand what 's going on other than from the math perspective in that you know in general terms what a neural network does ( function approximation ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think it's possible to look at a neural network and understand what's going on other than from the math perspective in that you know in general terms what a neural network does (function approximation).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29875611</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29875501</id>
	<title>Waste of time</title>
	<author>4D6963</author>
	<datestamp>1256586480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why even bother with robots? So it looks more real and tangible than just a computer simulation? Maybe, but other than that it's a waste of time and resources. Anything you could learn you could learn from a simulation of those robots, since this is entirely an algorithmic problem. I guess these guys just like to play with robots.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why even bother with robots ?
So it looks more real and tangible than just a computer simulation ?
Maybe , but other than that it 's a waste of time and resources .
Anything you could learn you could learn from a simulation of those robots , since this is entirely an algorithmic problem .
I guess these guys just like to play with robots .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why even bother with robots?
So it looks more real and tangible than just a computer simulation?
Maybe, but other than that it's a waste of time and resources.
Anything you could learn you could learn from a simulation of those robots, since this is entirely an algorithmic problem.
I guess these guys just like to play with robots.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29874633</id>
	<title>to counteract</title>
	<author>Keruo</author>
	<datestamp>1256582520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>To counteract his theories about swarm-intelligence, I sent the researcher link to 4chan.</htmltext>
<tokenext>To counteract his theories about swarm-intelligence , I sent the researcher link to 4chan .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To counteract his theories about swarm-intelligence, I sent the researcher link to 4chan.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29876869</id>
	<title>Re:Of all the countries...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256549520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Germans ? My bet was on the good old US of A. Well, you never know, might still happen<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:p</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Germans ?
My bet was on the good old US of A. Well , you never know , might still happen : p</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Germans ?
My bet was on the good old US of A. Well, you never know, might still happen :p</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29874629</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29884119</id>
	<title>Re:to counteract</title>
	<author>punkrocher</author>
	<datestamp>1256659800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>DUDE! NSFW!</htmltext>
<tokenext>DUDE !
NSFW !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DUDE!
NSFW!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29875369</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29882773</id>
	<title>Re:What does it tell about the intelligent designe</title>
	<author>adyroman</author>
	<datestamp>1256652660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think that's the point - these robots don't have free will, which we humans allegedly have. This is why your argument is not valid - we were not designed to get along with each other, we were allegedly designed to be free to decide whatever we like. Apparently we like to go to war with our own kind.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think that 's the point - these robots do n't have free will , which we humans allegedly have .
This is why your argument is not valid - we were not designed to get along with each other , we were allegedly designed to be free to decide whatever we like .
Apparently we like to go to war with our own kind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think that's the point - these robots don't have free will, which we humans allegedly have.
This is why your argument is not valid - we were not designed to get along with each other, we were allegedly designed to be free to decide whatever we like.
Apparently we like to go to war with our own kind.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29875431</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29877529</id>
	<title>Re:to counteract</title>
	<author>MonsterTrimble</author>
	<datestamp>1256552100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously, that link is brutal and quite unreadable.<br>
<br>
Although could we have Bucket run through slashdot?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , that link is brutal and quite unreadable .
Although could we have Bucket run through slashdot ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, that link is brutal and quite unreadable.
Although could we have Bucket run through slashdot?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29875369</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29876611</id>
	<title>Re:Real hardware is more information rich</title>
	<author>JerryLove</author>
	<datestamp>1256548620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You would if you virtualized those analog parts.</p><p>That's what most virtual modeling does, whether it's stress analysis in AutoCAD or reproducing that "tube warmth" from a solid-state amplifier through massaging the wave.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You would if you virtualized those analog parts.That 's what most virtual modeling does , whether it 's stress analysis in AutoCAD or reproducing that " tube warmth " from a solid-state amplifier through massaging the wave .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You would if you virtualized those analog parts.That's what most virtual modeling does, whether it's stress analysis in AutoCAD or reproducing that "tube warmth" from a solid-state amplifier through massaging the wave.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29875105</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29876175</id>
	<title>Re:Robotic Evolution</title>
	<author>Curunir\_wolf</author>
	<datestamp>1256589840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"You fool! We were created in our present form by the great nerd in the sky! Shun the non-believer!"</p></div><p>Sounds very much like the scenario in "Saturn's Children".  All the humans have died off, and only the sentient artificial servants are left.  The weird (well, one of them) is that they all have heard of "Evolution", but view it as some crazy old ancient religion that only the simple-minded would believe.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" You fool !
We were created in our present form by the great nerd in the sky !
Shun the non-believer !
" Sounds very much like the scenario in " Saturn 's Children " .
All the humans have died off , and only the sentient artificial servants are left .
The weird ( well , one of them ) is that they all have heard of " Evolution " , but view it as some crazy old ancient religion that only the simple-minded would believe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"You fool!
We were created in our present form by the great nerd in the sky!
Shun the non-believer!
"Sounds very much like the scenario in "Saturn's Children".
All the humans have died off, and only the sentient artificial servants are left.
The weird (well, one of them) is that they all have heard of "Evolution", but view it as some crazy old ancient religion that only the simple-minded would believe.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29874773</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29877603</id>
	<title>Re:Didn't they read Prey!?</title>
	<author>Valdrax</author>
	<datestamp>1256552400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"Prey" is a pretty good scifi novel about this. It follows the tired cautionary-tale forumla, but like all of Crichton's novels has (some) basis in real research.</p></div><p>Not it's not; the formula is just scaremongering; and it's about as based in real research as Congo's gorilla hybrids, as Andromeda Strain's magical, energy-eating, crystal viruses, as Jurassic Park's spontaneous evolution of lysine synthesis genes in less generations than you can count on one hand, as State of Fear's wide-eyed acceptance of junk science that challenges the "religion" of global warming, and as Sphere's... whatever the f--- Sphere was supposed to be.</p><p>Crichton is a hack that you stop being impressed by once you're out of middle/high school.  He can't write an ending to save his life, and the science in his stories is an interesting backdrop for stories that ultimately subvert or ignore science to create dramatic tension and/or provide an escape hatch to the situation.</p><p>Also, there's absolutely nothing to fear from these robots as they don't actually eat anything.  They just seek out objects marked as "food" and avoid others marked as "poison."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Prey " is a pretty good scifi novel about this .
It follows the tired cautionary-tale forumla , but like all of Crichton 's novels has ( some ) basis in real research.Not it 's not ; the formula is just scaremongering ; and it 's about as based in real research as Congo 's gorilla hybrids , as Andromeda Strain 's magical , energy-eating , crystal viruses , as Jurassic Park 's spontaneous evolution of lysine synthesis genes in less generations than you can count on one hand , as State of Fear 's wide-eyed acceptance of junk science that challenges the " religion " of global warming , and as Sphere 's... whatever the f--- Sphere was supposed to be.Crichton is a hack that you stop being impressed by once you 're out of middle/high school .
He ca n't write an ending to save his life , and the science in his stories is an interesting backdrop for stories that ultimately subvert or ignore science to create dramatic tension and/or provide an escape hatch to the situation.Also , there 's absolutely nothing to fear from these robots as they do n't actually eat anything .
They just seek out objects marked as " food " and avoid others marked as " poison .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Prey" is a pretty good scifi novel about this.
It follows the tired cautionary-tale forumla, but like all of Crichton's novels has (some) basis in real research.Not it's not; the formula is just scaremongering; and it's about as based in real research as Congo's gorilla hybrids, as Andromeda Strain's magical, energy-eating, crystal viruses, as Jurassic Park's spontaneous evolution of lysine synthesis genes in less generations than you can count on one hand, as State of Fear's wide-eyed acceptance of junk science that challenges the "religion" of global warming, and as Sphere's... whatever the f--- Sphere was supposed to be.Crichton is a hack that you stop being impressed by once you're out of middle/high school.
He can't write an ending to save his life, and the science in his stories is an interesting backdrop for stories that ultimately subvert or ignore science to create dramatic tension and/or provide an escape hatch to the situation.Also, there's absolutely nothing to fear from these robots as they don't actually eat anything.
They just seek out objects marked as "food" and avoid others marked as "poison.
"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29880959</id>
	<title>The real threat is not swarm intelligence......</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256580960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is Swarm stupidity!</p><p>(And slash dot might be just the place for researchers to study it<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is Swarm stupidity !
( And slash dot might be just the place for researchers to study it : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is Swarm stupidity!
(And slash dot might be just the place for researchers to study it :-)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29875229</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256585220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>their hearts are *truly* klingon!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>their hearts are * truly * klingon !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>their hearts are *truly* klingon!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29877931</id>
	<title>Re:What does it tell about the intelligent designe</title>
	<author>Azuma Hazuki</author>
	<datestamp>1256553720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have an even better question for ID'ers. What does THIS say about their so-called intelligent designer?: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penis\_plant" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penis\_plant</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>Were we created by Beavis and Butthead? I can imagine the scene on Day 3 or thereabouts of the Creation:</p><p>[God] Huh-huhuhuh-huh-huh. Hey, Lucifer. Check this out, dude. *zap!* It's a schlong cactus.<br>[Lucifer] Heh-m-heh-heh. Yeah, that's pretty cool, m-heheh. Schlong.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...what's a schlong?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have an even better question for ID'ers .
What does THIS say about their so-called intelligent designer ?
: http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penis \ _plant [ wikipedia.org ] Were we created by Beavis and Butthead ?
I can imagine the scene on Day 3 or thereabouts of the Creation : [ God ] Huh-huhuhuh-huh-huh .
Hey , Lucifer .
Check this out , dude .
* zap ! * It 's a schlong cactus .
[ Lucifer ] Heh-m-heh-heh .
Yeah , that 's pretty cool , m-heheh .
Schlong. ...what 's a schlong ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have an even better question for ID'ers.
What does THIS say about their so-called intelligent designer?
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penis\_plant [wikipedia.org]Were we created by Beavis and Butthead?
I can imagine the scene on Day 3 or thereabouts of the Creation:[God] Huh-huhuhuh-huh-huh.
Hey, Lucifer.
Check this out, dude.
*zap!* It's a schlong cactus.
[Lucifer] Heh-m-heh-heh.
Yeah, that's pretty cool, m-heheh.
Schlong. ...what's a schlong?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29891963</id>
	<title>Re:Robotic Evolution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256651460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Do I understand this correctly? On top of superhuman strength and intelligence, we're now making steps toward robot evolution? When robots rule the world, do you think they'll debate whether or not they actually evolved from primitive PCs?



"You fool! We were created in our present form by the great nerd in the sky! Shun the non-believer!"</p></div><p>Jokes aside, may I please point out that this so called evolution of information was very much manually assisted? It merely demonstrated a logical pattern.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do I understand this correctly ?
On top of superhuman strength and intelligence , we 're now making steps toward robot evolution ?
When robots rule the world , do you think they 'll debate whether or not they actually evolved from primitive PCs ?
" You fool !
We were created in our present form by the great nerd in the sky !
Shun the non-believer !
" Jokes aside , may I please point out that this so called evolution of information was very much manually assisted ?
It merely demonstrated a logical pattern .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do I understand this correctly?
On top of superhuman strength and intelligence, we're now making steps toward robot evolution?
When robots rule the world, do you think they'll debate whether or not they actually evolved from primitive PCs?
"You fool!
We were created in our present form by the great nerd in the sky!
Shun the non-believer!
"Jokes aside, may I please point out that this so called evolution of information was very much manually assisted?
It merely demonstrated a logical pattern.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29876563</id>
	<title>Re:worst spaghetti code ever</title>
	<author>thesandtiger</author>
	<datestamp>1256548380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From what I've read on the subject of machine evolution (mostly articles for the layperson), the end results are often completely baffling. It works, but the reason why isn't very obvious. In a few cases, I recall reading about evolved antenna schematics &amp; shapes that worked REALLY well, but made absolutely no sense, or took advantage of things that engineers normally consider flaws/problems to be overcome in design.</p><p>So yeah, it'd probably come up with code &amp; designs that are pretty difficult to parse, much like biological evolution. Pretty cool!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From what I 've read on the subject of machine evolution ( mostly articles for the layperson ) , the end results are often completely baffling .
It works , but the reason why is n't very obvious .
In a few cases , I recall reading about evolved antenna schematics &amp; shapes that worked REALLY well , but made absolutely no sense , or took advantage of things that engineers normally consider flaws/problems to be overcome in design.So yeah , it 'd probably come up with code &amp; designs that are pretty difficult to parse , much like biological evolution .
Pretty cool !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From what I've read on the subject of machine evolution (mostly articles for the layperson), the end results are often completely baffling.
It works, but the reason why isn't very obvious.
In a few cases, I recall reading about evolved antenna schematics &amp; shapes that worked REALLY well, but made absolutely no sense, or took advantage of things that engineers normally consider flaws/problems to be overcome in design.So yeah, it'd probably come up with code &amp; designs that are pretty difficult to parse, much like biological evolution.
Pretty cool!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29874631</id>
	<title>Skynet shows its face again</title>
	<author>Tiger4</author>
	<datestamp>1256582520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>First <a href="http://xkcd.com/652/" title="xkcd.com">XKCD</a> [xkcd.com] points out the obvious weapons end of things, now this guy announces how the brains have already been developed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>First XKCD [ xkcd.com ] points out the obvious weapons end of things , now this guy announces how the brains have already been developed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First XKCD [xkcd.com] points out the obvious weapons end of things, now this guy announces how the brains have already been developed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29875369</id>
	<title>Re:to counteract</title>
	<author>snarfies</author>
	<datestamp>1256585880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, not a bad way to poison a bot's intelligence.  Its been done before, with hilarious results (well, if you like 4chan-style humor), with a chatbot called Bucket. It was designed to pick up the basics of the English language and conversation techniques from random internet users.</p><p>Then 4chan found it.</p><p><a href="http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Bucket" title="encycloped...matica.com">http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Bucket</a> [encycloped...matica.com] has the full story, along with quotes and screenshots.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , not a bad way to poison a bot 's intelligence .
Its been done before , with hilarious results ( well , if you like 4chan-style humor ) , with a chatbot called Bucket .
It was designed to pick up the basics of the English language and conversation techniques from random internet users.Then 4chan found it.http : //encyclopediadramatica.com/Bucket [ encycloped...matica.com ] has the full story , along with quotes and screenshots .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, not a bad way to poison a bot's intelligence.
Its been done before, with hilarious results (well, if you like 4chan-style humor), with a chatbot called Bucket.
It was designed to pick up the basics of the English language and conversation techniques from random internet users.Then 4chan found it.http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Bucket [encycloped...matica.com] has the full story, along with quotes and screenshots.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29881253</id>
	<title>Re:worst spaghetti code ever</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256586600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Add a code cleanness to the fitness function?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Add a code cleanness to the fitness function ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Add a code cleanness to the fitness function?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29877891</id>
	<title>Robots don't really add much</title>
	<author>Carbaholic</author>
	<datestamp>1256553480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>According to the article they optimized the behavior by optimizing a computer simulation with a genetic algorithm. Says they ran 500 generation which is a very small number of iterations for a genetic algorithm. Then, after they had optimized the behavior, they put the control code into the robots and watched them go.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>According to the article they optimized the behavior by optimizing a computer simulation with a genetic algorithm .
Says they ran 500 generation which is a very small number of iterations for a genetic algorithm .
Then , after they had optimized the behavior , they put the control code into the robots and watched them go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to the article they optimized the behavior by optimizing a computer simulation with a genetic algorithm.
Says they ran 500 generation which is a very small number of iterations for a genetic algorithm.
Then, after they had optimized the behavior, they put the control code into the robots and watched them go.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29887965</id>
	<title>Re:Dup dup!</title>
	<author>psm321</author>
	<datestamp>1256676360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've never had a popup ad on Slashdot, whether attempted or successful.  And I haven't checked the checkbox and I don't have adblock or noscript on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've never had a popup ad on Slashdot , whether attempted or successful .
And I have n't checked the checkbox and I do n't have adblock or noscript on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've never had a popup ad on Slashdot, whether attempted or successful.
And I haven't checked the checkbox and I don't have adblock or noscript on.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29875125</id>
	<title>I for one...</title>
	<author>sajuuk</author>
	<datestamp>1256584740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I for one welcome our new food-seeking, intelligent, virtual overlords.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I for one welcome our new food-seeking , intelligent , virtual overlords .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I for one welcome our new food-seeking, intelligent, virtual overlords.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29875065</id>
	<title>Re:Hullabaloooo</title>
	<author>Ardaen</author>
	<datestamp>1256584440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Don't worry, I didn't read the article either.<br>I did however do a text search and came across this line: "First simulated in software before using actual bots"</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't worry , I did n't read the article either.I did however do a text search and came across this line : " First simulated in software before using actual bots "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't worry, I didn't read the article either.I did however do a text search and came across this line: "First simulated in software before using actual bots"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29879981</id>
	<title>I'm a Mac!</title>
	<author>countertrolling</author>
	<datestamp>1256568120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A little product placement anyone? Kinda reminds me of those old films of white corpuscles attacking bacteria.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A little product placement anyone ?
Kinda reminds me of those old films of white corpuscles attacking bacteria .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A little product placement anyone?
Kinda reminds me of those old films of white corpuscles attacking bacteria.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29874941</id>
	<title>i think this was covered already...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256583900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>in this post: <a href="http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/08/19/185259" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/08/19/185259</a> [slashdot.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>in this post : http : //hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl ? sid = 09/08/19/185259 [ slashdot.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>in this post: http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/08/19/185259 [slashdot.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29875079</id>
	<title>Putting the cart in front of the horse IMO</title>
	<author>xednieht</author>
	<datestamp>1256584500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We have not even realized swarm stupidity yet, how can they claim swarm intelligence?</htmltext>
<tokenext>We have not even realized swarm stupidity yet , how can they claim swarm intelligence ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have not even realized swarm stupidity yet, how can they claim swarm intelligence?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29875055</id>
	<title>Re:Hullabaloooo</title>
	<author>Chris Burke</author>
	<datestamp>1256584440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From TFA: "First simulated in software before using actual bots, five hundred generations were evolved this way with different selective pressures by roboticists and biologists at the Ecole Polytechnique F&#233;d&#233;rale de Lausanne in Switzerland in 2007."</p><p>So yes, that's exactly what they did.</p><p>Also, I'm sure this is at least a rehash of a previous<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. article, because I remember discussing the deceptive behavior with the light-flashing.  It's still interesting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA : " First simulated in software before using actual bots , five hundred generations were evolved this way with different selective pressures by roboticists and biologists at the Ecole Polytechnique F   d   rale de Lausanne in Switzerland in 2007 .
" So yes , that 's exactly what they did.Also , I 'm sure this is at least a rehash of a previous / .
article , because I remember discussing the deceptive behavior with the light-flashing .
It 's still interesting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA: "First simulated in software before using actual bots, five hundred generations were evolved this way with different selective pressures by roboticists and biologists at the Ecole Polytechnique Fédérale de Lausanne in Switzerland in 2007.
"So yes, that's exactly what they did.Also, I'm sure this is at least a rehash of a previous /.
article, because I remember discussing the deceptive behavior with the light-flashing.
It's still interesting.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29875105</id>
	<title>Real hardware is more information rich</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256584620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Real hardware can hold more states than a purely digital system.

</p><p>I remember reading a paper (can't find it now though - darn it) about a guy who was doing neural net research with Xilinx chips.  Same idea.  Whenever an algorithm would do well he'd break it into "genomes" and pair them off with other successful programs.

</p><p>The board was a bank of Xilinx chips, the genomes were the programming files (basically 1s and 0s fed into the configuration matrix), and the goal was to get the thing to turn on and off when you would speak "on" and "off" into a microphone.

</p><p>It eventually started working.  More interesting than that is what happened when he loaded the program into another board.  It didn't work.

</p><p>It turns out the algorithm had evolved to take advantage of the <i>analog</i> properties of the specific chips in that particular board.  The algorithm didn't see the board as a digital thing.  It saw it as a collection of opamps, amplifiers, and other analog parts.  Move the program to a board that is identical digitally, and it failed because the chips weren't analog exact.  You wouldn't have seen that behavior in a purely digital simulation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Real hardware can hold more states than a purely digital system .
I remember reading a paper ( ca n't find it now though - darn it ) about a guy who was doing neural net research with Xilinx chips .
Same idea .
Whenever an algorithm would do well he 'd break it into " genomes " and pair them off with other successful programs .
The board was a bank of Xilinx chips , the genomes were the programming files ( basically 1s and 0s fed into the configuration matrix ) , and the goal was to get the thing to turn on and off when you would speak " on " and " off " into a microphone .
It eventually started working .
More interesting than that is what happened when he loaded the program into another board .
It did n't work .
It turns out the algorithm had evolved to take advantage of the analog properties of the specific chips in that particular board .
The algorithm did n't see the board as a digital thing .
It saw it as a collection of opamps , amplifiers , and other analog parts .
Move the program to a board that is identical digitally , and it failed because the chips were n't analog exact .
You would n't have seen that behavior in a purely digital simulation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Real hardware can hold more states than a purely digital system.
I remember reading a paper (can't find it now though - darn it) about a guy who was doing neural net research with Xilinx chips.
Same idea.
Whenever an algorithm would do well he'd break it into "genomes" and pair them off with other successful programs.
The board was a bank of Xilinx chips, the genomes were the programming files (basically 1s and 0s fed into the configuration matrix), and the goal was to get the thing to turn on and off when you would speak "on" and "off" into a microphone.
It eventually started working.
More interesting than that is what happened when he loaded the program into another board.
It didn't work.
It turns out the algorithm had evolved to take advantage of the analog properties of the specific chips in that particular board.
The algorithm didn't see the board as a digital thing.
It saw it as a collection of opamps, amplifiers, and other analog parts.
Move the program to a board that is identical digitally, and it failed because the chips weren't analog exact.
You wouldn't have seen that behavior in a purely digital simulation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29874667</id>
	<title>replicators?</title>
	<author>MoFoQ</author>
	<datestamp>1256582700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>is this the beginning of replicators (from the Stargate universe)?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>is this the beginning of replicators ( from the Stargate universe ) ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is this the beginning of replicators (from the Stargate universe)?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29879607</id>
	<title>tried evolution in AI</title>
	<author>Uzik2</author>
	<datestamp>1256564520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It slows down exponentially with time. No apocalypse there.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It slows down exponentially with time .
No apocalypse there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It slows down exponentially with time.
No apocalypse there.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29877461</id>
	<title>Re:What does it tell about the intelligent designe</title>
	<author>lrandall</author>
	<datestamp>1256551800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, I can't speak for all "IDists", but based on my beliefs we are here to learn and progress: that is the whole point of our existence. Progression implies a lack of perfection, hence the wars, lack of cooperation, etc., that you suggest is evidence of a lack of intelligent design.</p><p>We are all intelligences in our own right, given the freedom to choose for ourselves and in so doing gain knowledge, experience and indeed greater intelligence. This freedom we are given means our actions can prove to be positive and conducive to progress or detrimental to ourselves or the human race as a whole.</p><p>It's commonly accepted that we learn by experience: we see evidence of that on a daily basis. Why does that suddenly seem ridiculous when it's suggested that that is what our Creator had in mind for us?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I ca n't speak for all " IDists " , but based on my beliefs we are here to learn and progress : that is the whole point of our existence .
Progression implies a lack of perfection , hence the wars , lack of cooperation , etc. , that you suggest is evidence of a lack of intelligent design.We are all intelligences in our own right , given the freedom to choose for ourselves and in so doing gain knowledge , experience and indeed greater intelligence .
This freedom we are given means our actions can prove to be positive and conducive to progress or detrimental to ourselves or the human race as a whole.It 's commonly accepted that we learn by experience : we see evidence of that on a daily basis .
Why does that suddenly seem ridiculous when it 's suggested that that is what our Creator had in mind for us ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I can't speak for all "IDists", but based on my beliefs we are here to learn and progress: that is the whole point of our existence.
Progression implies a lack of perfection, hence the wars, lack of cooperation, etc., that you suggest is evidence of a lack of intelligent design.We are all intelligences in our own right, given the freedom to choose for ourselves and in so doing gain knowledge, experience and indeed greater intelligence.
This freedom we are given means our actions can prove to be positive and conducive to progress or detrimental to ourselves or the human race as a whole.It's commonly accepted that we learn by experience: we see evidence of that on a daily basis.
Why does that suddenly seem ridiculous when it's suggested that that is what our Creator had in mind for us?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29878449</id>
	<title>What's new here?</title>
	<author>DerekLyons</author>
	<datestamp>1256556360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ok, what did this study teach us that wasn't learned years ago in (for example) <a href="http://www.red3d.com/cwr/boids/" title="red3d.com">Boids</a> [red3d.com] (1987), <a href="http://www.corewars.org/" title="corewars.org">Core War</a> [corewars.org] (1984), and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tierra\_(computer\_simulation)" title="wikipedia.org">Tierra</a> [wikipedia.org] (1991)?  I mean, it's cool having little bots running around a tabletop and all, but I was simulating the same behaviors on my '286 back in the mid 90's.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok , what did this study teach us that was n't learned years ago in ( for example ) Boids [ red3d.com ] ( 1987 ) , Core War [ corewars.org ] ( 1984 ) , and Tierra [ wikipedia.org ] ( 1991 ) ?
I mean , it 's cool having little bots running around a tabletop and all , but I was simulating the same behaviors on my '286 back in the mid 90 's .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok, what did this study teach us that wasn't learned years ago in (for example) Boids [red3d.com] (1987), Core War [corewars.org] (1984), and Tierra [wikipedia.org] (1991)?
I mean, it's cool having little bots running around a tabletop and all, but I was simulating the same behaviors on my '286 back in the mid 90's.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29877721</id>
	<title>Re:Putting the cart in front of the horse IMO</title>
	<author>Valdrax</author>
	<datestamp>1256552820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>We have not even realized swarm stupidity yet, how can they claim swarm intelligence?</p></div><p>"Stupidity" can't exist without intelligence.  "Stupidity" is what you call it when one intelligence rates the performance of another intelligence, and it's usually measured against a background of the subject species' average intelligence.  (i.e.  A "smart dog" is "smart for a dog," not smart compared to a human.)</p><p>Until the robot swarm has identifiable intelligence to begin with, there's no more point in claiming stupidity than there is to claim stupidity for an amoeba or a chair.  Therefore, it's not putting the cart in front of the horse, because we can't call them stupid until some of them are intelligent first.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We have not even realized swarm stupidity yet , how can they claim swarm intelligence ?
" Stupidity " ca n't exist without intelligence .
" Stupidity " is what you call it when one intelligence rates the performance of another intelligence , and it 's usually measured against a background of the subject species ' average intelligence .
( i.e. A " smart dog " is " smart for a dog , " not smart compared to a human .
) Until the robot swarm has identifiable intelligence to begin with , there 's no more point in claiming stupidity than there is to claim stupidity for an amoeba or a chair .
Therefore , it 's not putting the cart in front of the horse , because we ca n't call them stupid until some of them are intelligent first .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have not even realized swarm stupidity yet, how can they claim swarm intelligence?
"Stupidity" can't exist without intelligence.
"Stupidity" is what you call it when one intelligence rates the performance of another intelligence, and it's usually measured against a background of the subject species' average intelligence.
(i.e.  A "smart dog" is "smart for a dog," not smart compared to a human.
)Until the robot swarm has identifiable intelligence to begin with, there's no more point in claiming stupidity than there is to claim stupidity for an amoeba or a chair.
Therefore, it's not putting the cart in front of the horse, because we can't call them stupid until some of them are intelligent first.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29877335</id>
	<title>Applications</title>
	<author>MonsterTrimble</author>
	<datestamp>1256551200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I RTFA and think it's geeky cool just for the robots, but I wonder about how to apply this to real life. How could we use the algorithms to improve our router firewall, or kernel scheduling, or even better dynamic playlists on our favorite music players? Could we have our coffee makers figure out when we would ACTUALLY like our coffee being brewed?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I RTFA and think it 's geeky cool just for the robots , but I wonder about how to apply this to real life .
How could we use the algorithms to improve our router firewall , or kernel scheduling , or even better dynamic playlists on our favorite music players ?
Could we have our coffee makers figure out when we would ACTUALLY like our coffee being brewed ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I RTFA and think it's geeky cool just for the robots, but I wonder about how to apply this to real life.
How could we use the algorithms to improve our router firewall, or kernel scheduling, or even better dynamic playlists on our favorite music players?
Could we have our coffee makers figure out when we would ACTUALLY like our coffee being brewed?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29874695</id>
	<title>Didn't they read Prey!?</title>
	<author>Kirin Fenrir</author>
	<datestamp>1256582820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Prey" is a pretty good scifi novel about this.  It follows the tired cautionary-tale forumla, but like all of Crichton's novels has (some) basis in real research.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Prey " is a pretty good scifi novel about this .
It follows the tired cautionary-tale forumla , but like all of Crichton 's novels has ( some ) basis in real research .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Prey" is a pretty good scifi novel about this.
It follows the tired cautionary-tale forumla, but like all of Crichton's novels has (some) basis in real research.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29877311</id>
	<title>Re:Of all the countries...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256551140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm more concerned that he was able to breed it. Must not be illegal in Switzerland.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm more concerned that he was able to breed it .
Must not be illegal in Switzerland .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm more concerned that he was able to breed it.
Must not be illegal in Switzerland.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29874773</id>
	<title>Robotic Evolution</title>
	<author>allknowingfrog</author>
	<datestamp>1256583180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Do I understand this correctly? On top of superhuman strength and intelligence, we're now making steps toward robot evolution? When robots rule the world, do you think they'll debate whether or not they actually evolved from primitive PCs?<br> <br>

"You fool! We were created in our present form by the great nerd in the sky! Shun the non-believer!"</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do I understand this correctly ?
On top of superhuman strength and intelligence , we 're now making steps toward robot evolution ?
When robots rule the world , do you think they 'll debate whether or not they actually evolved from primitive PCs ?
" You fool !
We were created in our present form by the great nerd in the sky !
Shun the non-believer !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do I understand this correctly?
On top of superhuman strength and intelligence, we're now making steps toward robot evolution?
When robots rule the world, do you think they'll debate whether or not they actually evolved from primitive PCs?
"You fool!
We were created in our present form by the great nerd in the sky!
Shun the non-believer!
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29875753</id>
	<title>Re:replicators?</title>
	<author>db32</author>
	<datestamp>1256587740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Stargate story.  Stargate world.  Stargate creation.  You can call it anything you want other than Stargate Universe.  That show is TERRIBLE.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Stargate story .
Stargate world .
Stargate creation .
You can call it anything you want other than Stargate Universe .
That show is TERRIBLE .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stargate story.
Stargate world.
Stargate creation.
You can call it anything you want other than Stargate Universe.
That show is TERRIBLE.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29876171</id>
	<title>Re:worst spaghetti code ever</title>
	<author>SleazyRidr</author>
	<datestamp>1256589780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe we'll need a new breed of biological progammers. Maybe eSurgeons?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe we 'll need a new breed of biological progammers .
Maybe eSurgeons ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe we'll need a new breed of biological progammers.
Maybe eSurgeons?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29878809</id>
	<title>Re:What does it tell about the intelligent designe</title>
	<author>Culture20</author>
	<datestamp>1256558880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You assume that collective peace and smurfiness is the ultimate goal, and not individualistic peace/enlightenment/salvation/etc, which most religions tend to focus on.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You assume that collective peace and smurfiness is the ultimate goal , and not individualistic peace/enlightenment/salvation/etc , which most religions tend to focus on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You assume that collective peace and smurfiness is the ultimate goal, and not individualistic peace/enlightenment/salvation/etc, which most religions tend to focus on.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29877637</id>
	<title>Dup dup!</title>
	<author>Culture20</author>
	<datestamp>1256552580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Same story more than a year ago:
<a href="http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/08/01/19/0258214.shtml" title="slashdot.org">http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/08/01/19/0258214.shtml</a> [slashdot.org] <br> <br>

And offtopic:  $&amp;^@\%! Taco, what's up with the popups that sneak past Firefox popup blocks?  I've dutifully allowed advertising to continue, despite having that checkbox I could click to turn ads off for good behavior.  Do I really need to turn on adblock and noscript for<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.?  Really?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Same story more than a year ago : http : //hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/08/01/19/0258214.shtml [ slashdot.org ] And offtopic : $ &amp; ^ @ \ % !
Taco , what 's up with the popups that sneak past Firefox popup blocks ?
I 've dutifully allowed advertising to continue , despite having that checkbox I could click to turn ads off for good behavior .
Do I really need to turn on adblock and noscript for /. ?
Really ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Same story more than a year ago:
http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/08/01/19/0258214.shtml [slashdot.org]  

And offtopic:  $&amp;^@\%!
Taco, what's up with the popups that sneak past Firefox popup blocks?
I've dutifully allowed advertising to continue, despite having that checkbox I could click to turn ads off for good behavior.
Do I really need to turn on adblock and noscript for /.?
Really?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29875865</id>
	<title>Re:Real hardware is more information rich</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256588280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I remember reading a paper (can't find it now though - darn it) about a guy who was doing neural net research with Xilinx chips</p></div><p>I believe you're talking about <a href="http://www.informatics.sussex.ac.uk/users/adrianth/ade.html" title="sussex.ac.uk" rel="nofollow">Adrian Thompson's</a> [sussex.ac.uk] paper <a href="http://www.informatics.sussex.ac.uk/users/adrianth/ices96/paper.html" title="sussex.ac.uk" rel="nofollow">An evolved circuit intrinsic in silicon entwined with physics.</a> [sussex.ac.uk].</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I remember reading a paper ( ca n't find it now though - darn it ) about a guy who was doing neural net research with Xilinx chipsI believe you 're talking about Adrian Thompson 's [ sussex.ac.uk ] paper An evolved circuit intrinsic in silicon entwined with physics .
[ sussex.ac.uk ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I remember reading a paper (can't find it now though - darn it) about a guy who was doing neural net research with Xilinx chipsI believe you're talking about Adrian Thompson's [sussex.ac.uk] paper An evolved circuit intrinsic in silicon entwined with physics.
[sussex.ac.uk].
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29877383</id>
	<title>Re:Robotic Evolution</title>
	<author>Follier</author>
	<datestamp>1256551440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This causes a great deal of confusion, because the name of the great nerd who creates them all is named Shawn the Non-Believer, (AI algorithm researcher and atheist reddit troll).</htmltext>
<tokenext>This causes a great deal of confusion , because the name of the great nerd who creates them all is named Shawn the Non-Believer , ( AI algorithm researcher and atheist reddit troll ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This causes a great deal of confusion, because the name of the great nerd who creates them all is named Shawn the Non-Believer, (AI algorithm researcher and atheist reddit troll).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29875211</id>
	<title>Re:Skynet shows its face again</title>
	<author>nobodylocalhost</author>
	<datestamp>1256585160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What makes you think life as we know it isn't nano swarm intelligence gone terribly wrong?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What makes you think life as we know it is n't nano swarm intelligence gone terribly wrong ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What makes you think life as we know it isn't nano swarm intelligence gone terribly wrong?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29877173</id>
	<title>Darwin award</title>
	<author>drunkenkatori</author>
	<datestamp>1256550600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Somewhere out there is a darwin award for species behavior.  Our award might be for inventing our own successor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Somewhere out there is a darwin award for species behavior .
Our award might be for inventing our own successor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Somewhere out there is a darwin award for species behavior.
Our award might be for inventing our own successor.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29883103</id>
	<title>Re:Of all the countries...</title>
	<author>Yvanhoe</author>
	<datestamp>1256654640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I know it may be a shock, but get used to it. The EPFL is probably the best R&amp;D lab of all Europe. How ironic that Switzerland is not officially part of the EU. They do research into cyborg techs, robotics, AI, aerospace (they are building a solar flying drone) and are quite serious about this.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know it may be a shock , but get used to it .
The EPFL is probably the best R&amp;D lab of all Europe .
How ironic that Switzerland is not officially part of the EU .
They do research into cyborg techs , robotics , AI , aerospace ( they are building a solar flying drone ) and are quite serious about this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know it may be a shock, but get used to it.
The EPFL is probably the best R&amp;D lab of all Europe.
How ironic that Switzerland is not officially part of the EU.
They do research into cyborg techs, robotics, AI, aerospace (they are building a solar flying drone) and are quite serious about this.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29874651</id>
	<title>I, for one, welcome...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256582640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>oh, too obvious?<br>Well then, in Soviet Russia, robot overlords welcome You!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>oh , too obvious ? Well then , in Soviet Russia , robot overlords welcome You !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>oh, too obvious?Well then, in Soviet Russia, robot overlords welcome You!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29875389</id>
	<title>Re:The ability to deceive?</title>
	<author>knuckledraegger</author>
	<datestamp>1256585940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Lawyers?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lawyers ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lawyers?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1420213.29874629</id>
	<title>Of all the countries...</title>
	<author>Kenja</author>
	<datestamp>1256582520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Of all the Nations, I would never have thought it would be the Swiss who would start the robot apocalypse. I had Germany in my betting pull...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Of all the Nations , I would never have thought it would be the Swiss who would start the robot apocalypse .
I had Germany in my betting pull.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of all the Nations, I would never have thought it would be the Swiss who would start the robot apocalypse.
I had Germany in my betting pull...</sentencetext>
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