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	<title>Mandatory H1N1 Vaccine For NY Health Workers Suspended</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1256413380000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>lunatick writes <i>"The controversial <a href="http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/10/10/222201/For-Some-Medical-Workers-a-Flu-Shot-Or-Possible-Job-Loss">mandatory swine flu vaccine for health care workers in NY</a> <a href="http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=856352">has been suspended</a>.  While the reason for the suspension was stated as a shortage of the vaccine, a connection was found  <a href="http://www.wgy.com/pages/onair\_roney.html">showing state Health Commissioner Richard F. Daines, M.D. and/or his wife may directly profit from the sale of the vaccine</a>.  Within hours of that connection being questioned on a radio show <a href="http://www.wgy.com/cc-common/podcast/single\_podcast.html?podcast=al\_roney.xml">and the podcast being distributed</a>, the announcement was made suspending the order. The health care community of NYS is petitioning the State Attorney general to investigate the connection."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>lunatick writes " The controversial mandatory swine flu vaccine for health care workers in NY has been suspended .
While the reason for the suspension was stated as a shortage of the vaccine , a connection was found showing state Health Commissioner Richard F. Daines , M.D .
and/or his wife may directly profit from the sale of the vaccine .
Within hours of that connection being questioned on a radio show and the podcast being distributed , the announcement was made suspending the order .
The health care community of NYS is petitioning the State Attorney general to investigate the connection .
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<sentencetext>lunatick writes "The controversial mandatory swine flu vaccine for health care workers in NY has been suspended.
While the reason for the suspension was stated as a shortage of the vaccine, a connection was found  showing state Health Commissioner Richard F. Daines, M.D.
and/or his wife may directly profit from the sale of the vaccine.
Within hours of that connection being questioned on a radio show and the podcast being distributed, the announcement was made suspending the order.
The health care community of NYS is petitioning the State Attorney general to investigate the connection.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29874957</id>
	<title>Re:Mandatory Waiter Handwashing</title>
	<author>BobMcD</author>
	<datestamp>1256583960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you implying that there is a connection between mandatory hand washing and soap profits?</p><p>Because that seems super weak to me.</p><p>If for no other reason - you can get soap from more than one source.  And the cost of that soap is not subsidized by the government.  And there are proportionately fewer risks to hand washing than vaccination.</p><p>The point you're allegedly trying to refute is that a governmental official might use a mandate and public fear to increase their own profits.  I fail to see why this applies to a doctor but not a politician.</p><p>You can make your case about the necessity of a mandate in a better way, I'm sure.  You might even change a mind or two if you tried.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you implying that there is a connection between mandatory hand washing and soap profits ? Because that seems super weak to me.If for no other reason - you can get soap from more than one source .
And the cost of that soap is not subsidized by the government .
And there are proportionately fewer risks to hand washing than vaccination.The point you 're allegedly trying to refute is that a governmental official might use a mandate and public fear to increase their own profits .
I fail to see why this applies to a doctor but not a politician.You can make your case about the necessity of a mandate in a better way , I 'm sure .
You might even change a mind or two if you tried .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you implying that there is a connection between mandatory hand washing and soap profits?Because that seems super weak to me.If for no other reason - you can get soap from more than one source.
And the cost of that soap is not subsidized by the government.
And there are proportionately fewer risks to hand washing than vaccination.The point you're allegedly trying to refute is that a governmental official might use a mandate and public fear to increase their own profits.
I fail to see why this applies to a doctor but not a politician.You can make your case about the necessity of a mandate in a better way, I'm sure.
You might even change a mind or two if you tried.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29859399</id>
	<title>So</title>
	<author>symes</author>
	<datestamp>1256376960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Either H1N1 is so serious that we do need a vaccine. Or it's ok to delay vaccinations while we get the finances sorted out. Something smells. And speaking as someone who has had it... all I can say is that it really doesn't seem much worse than regular flu. My only conclusion is that there's a bunch of people making a whole load of money off our fears. Global financial meltdown, H1N1... what's next? We need to give up another few trillion to save ourselves from a plague of locusts? Oh... too late for that one...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Either H1N1 is so serious that we do need a vaccine .
Or it 's ok to delay vaccinations while we get the finances sorted out .
Something smells .
And speaking as someone who has had it... all I can say is that it really does n't seem much worse than regular flu .
My only conclusion is that there 's a bunch of people making a whole load of money off our fears .
Global financial meltdown , H1N1... what 's next ?
We need to give up another few trillion to save ourselves from a plague of locusts ?
Oh... too late for that one.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Either H1N1 is so serious that we do need a vaccine.
Or it's ok to delay vaccinations while we get the finances sorted out.
Something smells.
And speaking as someone who has had it... all I can say is that it really doesn't seem much worse than regular flu.
My only conclusion is that there's a bunch of people making a whole load of money off our fears.
Global financial meltdown, H1N1... what's next?
We need to give up another few trillion to save ourselves from a plague of locusts?
Oh... too late for that one...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29859599</id>
	<title>Re:The hypocrisy is amazing...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256378280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I  get sick and go to the Doctor, I don't have any reason to fear getting Swine Flu from a woman who just had an abortion.</p><p>Only on Slashdot, with its right wing lunatics can swine flu vaccine and abortion be used in the same sentence.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I get sick and go to the Doctor , I do n't have any reason to fear getting Swine Flu from a woman who just had an abortion.Only on Slashdot , with its right wing lunatics can swine flu vaccine and abortion be used in the same sentence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I  get sick and go to the Doctor, I don't have any reason to fear getting Swine Flu from a woman who just had an abortion.Only on Slashdot, with its right wing lunatics can swine flu vaccine and abortion be used in the same sentence.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29860349</id>
	<title>Re:The hypocrisy is amazing...</title>
	<author>misexistentialist</author>
	<datestamp>1256383860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No one is suggesting that health-care workers be sent to jail for refusing shots. I'm sure they have to put up with blood and urine tests as a condition of employment too. I'll bring up your abortion analogy the next time I assert my right to morphine mind-modification, though.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No one is suggesting that health-care workers be sent to jail for refusing shots .
I 'm sure they have to put up with blood and urine tests as a condition of employment too .
I 'll bring up your abortion analogy the next time I assert my right to morphine mind-modification , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No one is suggesting that health-care workers be sent to jail for refusing shots.
I'm sure they have to put up with blood and urine tests as a condition of employment too.
I'll bring up your abortion analogy the next time I assert my right to morphine mind-modification, though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29860171</id>
	<title>Bad comparison</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256382480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The same people who say that women must have free access to abortion, because they have the right to say what they do with their bodies, are now saying that NYS health care workers don't have the right to say what they do with their bodies with regards to a vaccine?</p></div><p>Pregnant women can't make other people pregnant.</p><p>Health care workers can spread flu, and as they are health care workers, they will spread it to those most vulnerable due to whatever other conditions that made them patients.</p><p>Stop with the conspiracy bullshit, take the vaccine, or find a different line of work.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The same people who say that women must have free access to abortion , because they have the right to say what they do with their bodies , are now saying that NYS health care workers do n't have the right to say what they do with their bodies with regards to a vaccine ? Pregnant women ca n't make other people pregnant.Health care workers can spread flu , and as they are health care workers , they will spread it to those most vulnerable due to whatever other conditions that made them patients.Stop with the conspiracy bullshit , take the vaccine , or find a different line of work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The same people who say that women must have free access to abortion, because they have the right to say what they do with their bodies, are now saying that NYS health care workers don't have the right to say what they do with their bodies with regards to a vaccine?Pregnant women can't make other people pregnant.Health care workers can spread flu, and as they are health care workers, they will spread it to those most vulnerable due to whatever other conditions that made them patients.Stop with the conspiracy bullshit, take the vaccine, or find a different line of work.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29862293</id>
	<title>Re:Mandating vaccines...</title>
	<author>blueg3</author>
	<datestamp>1256406240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>They are even offering versions without the normal preservative (which contains a mercury adduct that has concerned some people).</p></div><p>What mercury-based preservative are they using now?</p><p>On an unrelated note, I've stopped eating plants out of a concern for magnesium poisoning and meat out of a concern for iron poisoning.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They are even offering versions without the normal preservative ( which contains a mercury adduct that has concerned some people ) .What mercury-based preservative are they using now ? On an unrelated note , I 've stopped eating plants out of a concern for magnesium poisoning and meat out of a concern for iron poisoning .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are even offering versions without the normal preservative (which contains a mercury adduct that has concerned some people).What mercury-based preservative are they using now?On an unrelated note, I've stopped eating plants out of a concern for magnesium poisoning and meat out of a concern for iron poisoning.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29859753</id>
	<title>Re:The hypocrisy is amazing...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256379240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I really agree here.</p><p>Just call me "pro choice" with regard to vaccination. That's fair enough.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I really agree here.Just call me " pro choice " with regard to vaccination .
That 's fair enough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really agree here.Just call me "pro choice" with regard to vaccination.
That's fair enough.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29860619</id>
	<title>Re:The hypocrisy is amazing...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256386380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Damn Straight!</p><p>And why should I, as a food service worker be forced to wash my hands after using the restroom?  It's all a huge conspiracy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Damn Straight ! And why should I , as a food service worker be forced to wash my hands after using the restroom ?
It 's all a huge conspiracy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Damn Straight!And why should I, as a food service worker be forced to wash my hands after using the restroom?
It's all a huge conspiracy.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29862537</id>
	<title>Re:Unions are outraged!</title>
	<author>GrandTeddyBearOfDoom</author>
	<datestamp>1256410140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That their employer wants to keep them healthy isn't the problem.  The problem is that they don't have a clue how to do so, and many of the current sources of advice don't really have a clue either.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That their employer wants to keep them healthy is n't the problem .
The problem is that they do n't have a clue how to do so , and many of the current sources of advice do n't really have a clue either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That their employer wants to keep them healthy isn't the problem.
The problem is that they don't have a clue how to do so, and many of the current sources of advice don't really have a clue either.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29860115</id>
	<title>control over one's body vs. public health</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256382060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>The same people who say that women must have free access to abortion, because they have the right to say what they do with their bodies, are now saying that NYS health care workers don't have the right to say what they do with their bodies with regards to a vaccine?</i>

</p><p>When a woman gets an abortion, only she and the fetus are affected.

</p><p>When a health worker, WHO WORKES A JOB WHERE THEY WILL COME IN CONTACT WITH INFECTED PEOPLE, refuses to get a shot to prevent the spread of an infection...that affects their own health and potentially tens of thousands of people.  That worker needs to be able to come into contact with patients, help them, and not get sick themselves, and not pass the illness onto others.

</p><p>Furthermore, health workers are already required to get many vaccines.  They knew that going into the job; when I worked at a hospital, we had to hand over medical records proving we'd been vaccinated (even though I didn't work with patients, if there is a public health emergency, they pull employees from other areas as needed.  Even if it only to help push stretchers and take out the trash.)  <b>If you want the right to refuse a vaccine, DON'T WORK IN HEATHCARE.</b>

</p><p>This is, just as the top poster says, anti-vaccine hysteria from people who think their gut beats experts, research, fact.  We're the only developed country that has this problem...the rest of the world, hell, even the Catholic church has accepted Evolution, yet nutjobs came out of the woodwork and demanded it's false and constantly challenge its teaching.  Then we had the anti-global-warming nutjobs.  Now it's anti-vaccine nutjobs.

</p><p>What's next?  Square Earth?  We're the pivoting point of the universe?  Why is it that it feels like only America has all the idiots who deny the obvious, proven, fact?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The same people who say that women must have free access to abortion , because they have the right to say what they do with their bodies , are now saying that NYS health care workers do n't have the right to say what they do with their bodies with regards to a vaccine ?
When a woman gets an abortion , only she and the fetus are affected .
When a health worker , WHO WORKES A JOB WHERE THEY WILL COME IN CONTACT WITH INFECTED PEOPLE , refuses to get a shot to prevent the spread of an infection...that affects their own health and potentially tens of thousands of people .
That worker needs to be able to come into contact with patients , help them , and not get sick themselves , and not pass the illness onto others .
Furthermore , health workers are already required to get many vaccines .
They knew that going into the job ; when I worked at a hospital , we had to hand over medical records proving we 'd been vaccinated ( even though I did n't work with patients , if there is a public health emergency , they pull employees from other areas as needed .
Even if it only to help push stretchers and take out the trash .
) If you want the right to refuse a vaccine , DO N'T WORK IN HEATHCARE .
This is , just as the top poster says , anti-vaccine hysteria from people who think their gut beats experts , research , fact .
We 're the only developed country that has this problem...the rest of the world , hell , even the Catholic church has accepted Evolution , yet nutjobs came out of the woodwork and demanded it 's false and constantly challenge its teaching .
Then we had the anti-global-warming nutjobs .
Now it 's anti-vaccine nutjobs .
What 's next ?
Square Earth ?
We 're the pivoting point of the universe ?
Why is it that it feels like only America has all the idiots who deny the obvious , proven , fact ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> The same people who say that women must have free access to abortion, because they have the right to say what they do with their bodies, are now saying that NYS health care workers don't have the right to say what they do with their bodies with regards to a vaccine?
When a woman gets an abortion, only she and the fetus are affected.
When a health worker, WHO WORKES A JOB WHERE THEY WILL COME IN CONTACT WITH INFECTED PEOPLE, refuses to get a shot to prevent the spread of an infection...that affects their own health and potentially tens of thousands of people.
That worker needs to be able to come into contact with patients, help them, and not get sick themselves, and not pass the illness onto others.
Furthermore, health workers are already required to get many vaccines.
They knew that going into the job; when I worked at a hospital, we had to hand over medical records proving we'd been vaccinated (even though I didn't work with patients, if there is a public health emergency, they pull employees from other areas as needed.
Even if it only to help push stretchers and take out the trash.
)  If you want the right to refuse a vaccine, DON'T WORK IN HEATHCARE.
This is, just as the top poster says, anti-vaccine hysteria from people who think their gut beats experts, research, fact.
We're the only developed country that has this problem...the rest of the world, hell, even the Catholic church has accepted Evolution, yet nutjobs came out of the woodwork and demanded it's false and constantly challenge its teaching.
Then we had the anti-global-warming nutjobs.
Now it's anti-vaccine nutjobs.
What's next?
Square Earth?
We're the pivoting point of the universe?
Why is it that it feels like only America has all the idiots who deny the obvious, proven, fact?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29859555</id>
	<title>Re:antivaxxers on slashdot</title>
	<author>BACPro</author>
	<datestamp>1256378100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How can you have a positive slant vaccine article?</p><p>"Man gets immunized, doesn't get the sniffles..."</p><p>Not very newsworthy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How can you have a positive slant vaccine article ?
" Man gets immunized , does n't get the sniffles... " Not very newsworthy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How can you have a positive slant vaccine article?
"Man gets immunized, doesn't get the sniffles..."Not very newsworthy.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29862269</id>
	<title>Re:antivaxxers on slashdot</title>
	<author>blueg3</author>
	<datestamp>1256405760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, since it's communicated between people, and with a respectably low success rate, even a moderate increase in an individual's resistance to infection can have an enormous effect on the epidemiological behavior of the disease. The herd immunity effect, even if at the individual level it's hardly immunity, is very strong.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , since it 's communicated between people , and with a respectably low success rate , even a moderate increase in an individual 's resistance to infection can have an enormous effect on the epidemiological behavior of the disease .
The herd immunity effect , even if at the individual level it 's hardly immunity , is very strong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, since it's communicated between people, and with a respectably low success rate, even a moderate increase in an individual's resistance to infection can have an enormous effect on the epidemiological behavior of the disease.
The herd immunity effect, even if at the individual level it's hardly immunity, is very strong.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29859467</id>
	<title>Re:Mandating vaccines...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256377380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have had the flu shot and I am perfectly fine.  I applaud our government for stepping forward to save us all form this horrible bug and I will never, ever bad-mouth them again.  In fact I will voluntarily pay double my income tax for the rest of my life to allow them to continue their wonderful work</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have had the flu shot and I am perfectly fine .
I applaud our government for stepping forward to save us all form this horrible bug and I will never , ever bad-mouth them again .
In fact I will voluntarily pay double my income tax for the rest of my life to allow them to continue their wonderful work</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have had the flu shot and I am perfectly fine.
I applaud our government for stepping forward to save us all form this horrible bug and I will never, ever bad-mouth them again.
In fact I will voluntarily pay double my income tax for the rest of my life to allow them to continue their wonderful work</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29859267</id>
	<title>Re:Unions are outraged!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256376000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The NY State Unions are Outraged that their employer wants to keep its workforce healthy</p></div><p>  I am usually as anti-union as they come but this is case where I see them actually doing some good.  We don't generally have the abusive employer-employee relationships we had in the past, but your employer insisting you inject something into your body certainly counts!</p><p>Its one of the most perverse violations of rights in recent times!  We are supposed to be secure in the right of our person.</p><p>Now that this has been declared a federal emergency by the big O, I fully expect other groups of people to be "required" to be vaccinated.  Well I say they can vaccinate my dead body because that's the only way I let them do it!  You can be darn sure I will try and take as many of whatever agents attempt to force such on me down with me too.  Anyone who tries to forcefully inject a bunch of heavy metal Mg in you deserves to be injected with some Pb at high velocity in my book!</p></div>
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<tokenext>The NY State Unions are Outraged that their employer wants to keep its workforce healthy I am usually as anti-union as they come but this is case where I see them actually doing some good .
We do n't generally have the abusive employer-employee relationships we had in the past , but your employer insisting you inject something into your body certainly counts ! Its one of the most perverse violations of rights in recent times !
We are supposed to be secure in the right of our person.Now that this has been declared a federal emergency by the big O , I fully expect other groups of people to be " required " to be vaccinated .
Well I say they can vaccinate my dead body because that 's the only way I let them do it !
You can be darn sure I will try and take as many of whatever agents attempt to force such on me down with me too .
Anyone who tries to forcefully inject a bunch of heavy metal Mg in you deserves to be injected with some Pb at high velocity in my book !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The NY State Unions are Outraged that their employer wants to keep its workforce healthy  I am usually as anti-union as they come but this is case where I see them actually doing some good.
We don't generally have the abusive employer-employee relationships we had in the past, but your employer insisting you inject something into your body certainly counts!Its one of the most perverse violations of rights in recent times!
We are supposed to be secure in the right of our person.Now that this has been declared a federal emergency by the big O, I fully expect other groups of people to be "required" to be vaccinated.
Well I say they can vaccinate my dead body because that's the only way I let them do it!
You can be darn sure I will try and take as many of whatever agents attempt to force such on me down with me too.
Anyone who tries to forcefully inject a bunch of heavy metal Mg in you deserves to be injected with some Pb at high velocity in my book!
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29860469</id>
	<title>Re:The hypocrisy is amazing...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256385000000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Except, Dr. Daines is not a democrat.  Posting as AC because due to work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except , Dr. Daines is not a democrat .
Posting as AC because due to work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except, Dr. Daines is not a democrat.
Posting as AC because due to work.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29860861</id>
	<title>Re:BUSTED!</title>
	<author>Geoffrey.landis</author>
	<datestamp>1256388960000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>H1N1 may indeed be pandemic in NYS, but it's still not as prevalent as corruption.</p></div><p>If somebody could come out with a vaccine against corruption, I'd definitely favor making that mandatory.</p></div>
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<tokenext>H1N1 may indeed be pandemic in NYS , but it 's still not as prevalent as corruption.If somebody could come out with a vaccine against corruption , I 'd definitely favor making that mandatory .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>H1N1 may indeed be pandemic in NYS, but it's still not as prevalent as corruption.If somebody could come out with a vaccine against corruption, I'd definitely favor making that mandatory.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29859583</id>
	<title>Re:Mandating vaccines...</title>
	<author>Jeff DeMaagd</author>
	<datestamp>1256378220000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>OK, never mind, I found information on some older studies.  I think it<br>s odd that there aren't any newer ones.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OK , never mind , I found information on some older studies .
I think its odd that there are n't any newer ones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK, never mind, I found information on some older studies.
I think its odd that there aren't any newer ones.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29859799</id>
	<title>Re:The hypocrisy is amazing...</title>
	<author>Jeff DeMaagd</author>
	<datestamp>1256379600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why is it that liberals say that a woman has the right to decide whether or not she gets an abortion because it's her body, but say that health care workers don't have the right to decide whether or not they get vaccines, even though it's their body?????</p></div><p>I don't think the comparison holds quite so simply.  Abortion isn't a viral disease, the flu bug is something a health care worker can spread by getting infected before they're aware that they are infected.  In that case, it's not just the health care worker's body, it's everyone they come in contact with, and a lot of those they come in contact with may have compromised immune systems.  I don't think it's just a matter of washing, if you do get infected, your body becomes a walking factory for the virus.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Why is it that liberals say that a woman has the right to decide whether or not she gets an abortion because it 's her body , but say that health care workers do n't have the right to decide whether or not they get vaccines , even though it 's their body ? ? ? ?
? I do n't think the comparison holds quite so simply .
Abortion is n't a viral disease , the flu bug is something a health care worker can spread by getting infected before they 're aware that they are infected .
In that case , it 's not just the health care worker 's body , it 's everyone they come in contact with , and a lot of those they come in contact with may have compromised immune systems .
I do n't think it 's just a matter of washing , if you do get infected , your body becomes a walking factory for the virus .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is it that liberals say that a woman has the right to decide whether or not she gets an abortion because it's her body, but say that health care workers don't have the right to decide whether or not they get vaccines, even though it's their body????
?I don't think the comparison holds quite so simply.
Abortion isn't a viral disease, the flu bug is something a health care worker can spread by getting infected before they're aware that they are infected.
In that case, it's not just the health care worker's body, it's everyone they come in contact with, and a lot of those they come in contact with may have compromised immune systems.
I don't think it's just a matter of washing, if you do get infected, your body becomes a walking factory for the virus.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29859397</id>
	<title>Curious, But Pharmaceutical Company Names Are?</title>
	<author>LifesABeach</author>
	<datestamp>1256376960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>In all the media hype there is not one word mentioned of the Pharmaceutical companies involved. Why?  Could they be holding out for a better price? That's just good business isn't it?  Has America traded its children's future for the promise from a Grinning Show Off with an out stretched hand?  There to many dead to ignore these kinds of questions.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In all the media hype there is not one word mentioned of the Pharmaceutical companies involved .
Why ? Could they be holding out for a better price ?
That 's just good business is n't it ?
Has America traded its children 's future for the promise from a Grinning Show Off with an out stretched hand ?
There to many dead to ignore these kinds of questions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In all the media hype there is not one word mentioned of the Pharmaceutical companies involved.
Why?  Could they be holding out for a better price?
That's just good business isn't it?
Has America traded its children's future for the promise from a Grinning Show Off with an out stretched hand?
There to many dead to ignore these kinds of questions.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29862917</id>
	<title>Re:Mandating vaccines...</title>
	<author>Monsuco</author>
	<datestamp>1256504160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>When you start telling people that they must put something foreign into their bodies at what point exactly does it stop?</p></div><p>When does it stop? Outside of jobs where it isn't required. Most hospitals have their employees sign contracts saying they will remain up to date on immunizations, annual physicals, TB test, and other exams. Seeing as how hospital staff are frequently exposed to a large number of infectious diseases and could easily spread them from person to person this makes sense. Beyond that, the only other people I know of that could be required to receive a vaccine are school students and staff (claiming religious objections or receiving schooling outside of a public school is still possible) and members of the US Military.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Going into crazy paranoia zone here now, but how long until RFID chips (which have already been linked to cancer) will be mandatory for government employees for "security reasons?"</p></div><p>Beyond employees of the CIA, NSA, the US Military, Military Contractors, or other high clearance positions, i find it highly doubtful that widescale RFID implantation will ever be commonplace, and SCOTUS would likely end up killing it (if cracking a fetus's skull is covered under an unwritten concept of "privacy" I doubt mandatory implantation of ID chips wouldn't be).</p></div>
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<tokenext>When you start telling people that they must put something foreign into their bodies at what point exactly does it stop ? When does it stop ?
Outside of jobs where it is n't required .
Most hospitals have their employees sign contracts saying they will remain up to date on immunizations , annual physicals , TB test , and other exams .
Seeing as how hospital staff are frequently exposed to a large number of infectious diseases and could easily spread them from person to person this makes sense .
Beyond that , the only other people I know of that could be required to receive a vaccine are school students and staff ( claiming religious objections or receiving schooling outside of a public school is still possible ) and members of the US Military.Going into crazy paranoia zone here now , but how long until RFID chips ( which have already been linked to cancer ) will be mandatory for government employees for " security reasons ?
" Beyond employees of the CIA , NSA , the US Military , Military Contractors , or other high clearance positions , i find it highly doubtful that widescale RFID implantation will ever be commonplace , and SCOTUS would likely end up killing it ( if cracking a fetus 's skull is covered under an unwritten concept of " privacy " I doubt mandatory implantation of ID chips would n't be ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When you start telling people that they must put something foreign into their bodies at what point exactly does it stop?When does it stop?
Outside of jobs where it isn't required.
Most hospitals have their employees sign contracts saying they will remain up to date on immunizations, annual physicals, TB test, and other exams.
Seeing as how hospital staff are frequently exposed to a large number of infectious diseases and could easily spread them from person to person this makes sense.
Beyond that, the only other people I know of that could be required to receive a vaccine are school students and staff (claiming religious objections or receiving schooling outside of a public school is still possible) and members of the US Military.Going into crazy paranoia zone here now, but how long until RFID chips (which have already been linked to cancer) will be mandatory for government employees for "security reasons?
"Beyond employees of the CIA, NSA, the US Military, Military Contractors, or other high clearance positions, i find it highly doubtful that widescale RFID implantation will ever be commonplace, and SCOTUS would likely end up killing it (if cracking a fetus's skull is covered under an unwritten concept of "privacy" I doubt mandatory implantation of ID chips wouldn't be).
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29862313</id>
	<title>Re:Unions are outraged!</title>
	<author>blueg3</author>
	<datestamp>1256406660000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Anyone who tries to forcefully inject a bunch of heavy metal Mg</p></div><p>I take it you don't eat green vegetables, then. (Also, magnesium isn't a heavy metal.)</p></div>
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<tokenext>Anyone who tries to forcefully inject a bunch of heavy metal MgI take it you do n't eat green vegetables , then .
( Also , magnesium is n't a heavy metal .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone who tries to forcefully inject a bunch of heavy metal MgI take it you don't eat green vegetables, then.
(Also, magnesium isn't a heavy metal.
)
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29862061</id>
	<title>Classic politics</title>
	<author>keatonguy</author>
	<datestamp>1256402460000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I think it's interesting to note that once this claim is made, no matter what this doc does he'll still look bad.</p><p>His decision was to cut the program immediately. This implies either the claims are true and he wants to bury the whole thing before it erupts, or he just wants to save face. But the same conclusions would be drawn even if he hadn't cut it straight off, and no matter whether he was guilty or innocent.</p><p>Which is not to say I'm scolding the reporters for covering it, it's just something to think about.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it 's interesting to note that once this claim is made , no matter what this doc does he 'll still look bad.His decision was to cut the program immediately .
This implies either the claims are true and he wants to bury the whole thing before it erupts , or he just wants to save face .
But the same conclusions would be drawn even if he had n't cut it straight off , and no matter whether he was guilty or innocent.Which is not to say I 'm scolding the reporters for covering it , it 's just something to think about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it's interesting to note that once this claim is made, no matter what this doc does he'll still look bad.His decision was to cut the program immediately.
This implies either the claims are true and he wants to bury the whole thing before it erupts, or he just wants to save face.
But the same conclusions would be drawn even if he hadn't cut it straight off, and no matter whether he was guilty or innocent.Which is not to say I'm scolding the reporters for covering it, it's just something to think about.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29861265</id>
	<title>Vitamin D may help prevent influenza</title>
	<author>Paul Fernhout</author>
	<datestamp>1256393880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most US people are Vitamin D deficient. See the Vitamin D Council web site for how to test and supplement:<br><a href="http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/" title="vitamindcouncil.org">http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/</a> [vitamindcouncil.org]<br><a href="http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/newsletter/vitamin-d-and-h1n1-swine-flu.shtml" title="vitamindcouncil.org">http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/newsletter/vitamin-d-and-h1n1-swine-flu.shtml</a> [vitamindcouncil.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most US people are Vitamin D deficient .
See the Vitamin D Council web site for how to test and supplement : http : //www.vitamindcouncil.org/ [ vitamindcouncil.org ] http : //www.vitamindcouncil.org/newsletter/vitamin-d-and-h1n1-swine-flu.shtml [ vitamindcouncil.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most US people are Vitamin D deficient.
See the Vitamin D Council web site for how to test and supplement:http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/ [vitamindcouncil.org]http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/newsletter/vitamin-d-and-h1n1-swine-flu.shtml [vitamindcouncil.org]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29859675</id>
	<title>Re:The hypocrisy is amazing...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256378700000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I'm a proud libtard, and support choice, and I recommend that people use informed consent and that we respect their choice not to vaccinate, and not work for mandatory vaccines.</p><p>And I use the same argument as you did, so thank you.</p><p>I believe in keeping the gov't off our bodies.  So I support choice, and I do not support *many/most* mandatory vaccine programs.</p><p>Opt-in is okay.  Opt-out is for spammers.  Mandatory should be reserved for Ebola like situations.</p><p>And thanks for your service.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a proud libtard , and support choice , and I recommend that people use informed consent and that we respect their choice not to vaccinate , and not work for mandatory vaccines.And I use the same argument as you did , so thank you.I believe in keeping the gov't off our bodies .
So I support choice , and I do not support * many/most * mandatory vaccine programs.Opt-in is okay .
Opt-out is for spammers .
Mandatory should be reserved for Ebola like situations.And thanks for your service .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a proud libtard, and support choice, and I recommend that people use informed consent and that we respect their choice not to vaccinate, and not work for mandatory vaccines.And I use the same argument as you did, so thank you.I believe in keeping the gov't off our bodies.
So I support choice, and I do not support *many/most* mandatory vaccine programs.Opt-in is okay.
Opt-out is for spammers.
Mandatory should be reserved for Ebola like situations.And thanks for your service.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29864249</id>
	<title>Re:antivaxxers on slashdot</title>
	<author>General Wesc</author>
	<datestamp>1256482680000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>How can you have a positive slant vaccine article?</p><p>"Man gets immunized, doesn't get the sniffles..."</p></div><p>You expand the scale. You report on <a href="http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=194" title="sciencebasedmedicine.org">where's being hit by the targeted disease</a> [sciencebasedmedicine.org] (<a href="http://counterknowledge.com/2009/01/measels-outbreaks-not-just-a-british-tragedy-but-a-european-one-as-well/" title="counterknowledge.com">and there are many</a> [counterknowledge.com]) or <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/02/15/wow-measles-eliminated-in-australia/" title="discovermagazine.com">not being hit hard</a> [discovermagazine.com]--whether it be at the national level, state level, city level, or school level--and look at the immunization rates in these places.</p><p>Since the general population hates math and prefers personal stories, you can always focus <a href="http://skepticblog.org/2009/01/28/an-unvaccinated-child-has-died-from-a-preventable-disease/" title="skepticblog.org">on a particular unvaccinated child who died as a result. </a> [skepticblog.org]<a href="http://evidencebasedthought.wordpress.com/2009/07/22/whats-wrong-with-catching-the-measles/" title="wordpress.com">Report on how some kids <em>can't</em> be vaccinated (and on whom the vaccine just doesn't take) and are at risk because other kids who could be vaccinated weren't.</a> [wordpress.com] </p><p>Vaccinations are a social responsibility. If you don't vaccinate your kid, you're putting everyone's kids at risk (and adults, of course, but mostly kids and old folks).</p></div>
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<tokenext>How can you have a positive slant vaccine article ?
" Man gets immunized , does n't get the sniffles... " You expand the scale .
You report on where 's being hit by the targeted disease [ sciencebasedmedicine.org ] ( and there are many [ counterknowledge.com ] ) or not being hit hard [ discovermagazine.com ] --whether it be at the national level , state level , city level , or school level--and look at the immunization rates in these places.Since the general population hates math and prefers personal stories , you can always focus on a particular unvaccinated child who died as a result .
[ skepticblog.org ] Report on how some kids ca n't be vaccinated ( and on whom the vaccine just does n't take ) and are at risk because other kids who could be vaccinated were n't .
[ wordpress.com ] Vaccinations are a social responsibility .
If you do n't vaccinate your kid , you 're putting everyone 's kids at risk ( and adults , of course , but mostly kids and old folks ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How can you have a positive slant vaccine article?
"Man gets immunized, doesn't get the sniffles..."You expand the scale.
You report on where's being hit by the targeted disease [sciencebasedmedicine.org] (and there are many [counterknowledge.com]) or not being hit hard [discovermagazine.com]--whether it be at the national level, state level, city level, or school level--and look at the immunization rates in these places.Since the general population hates math and prefers personal stories, you can always focus on a particular unvaccinated child who died as a result.
[skepticblog.org]Report on how some kids can't be vaccinated (and on whom the vaccine just doesn't take) and are at risk because other kids who could be vaccinated weren't.
[wordpress.com] Vaccinations are a social responsibility.
If you don't vaccinate your kid, you're putting everyone's kids at risk (and adults, of course, but mostly kids and old folks).
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	<title>Re:Mandating vaccines...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256377920000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Firstly, you have a say, ALWAYS. Governments aren't there to control the people (while you may let them, it's not the case), short of said governments tearing up constitutions and so forth you can always fight back.</p><p>Secondly, there are KNOWN side effects with this vaccine, they are clearly stated prior to vaccination (at least here in Australia) as required by law - just the same as all vaccines.</p><p>I really don't get where these paranoid delusions suggesting that the government is something to fear. Sure, they do some fucked up stuff, but you have to not let them get away with it. Hold them accountable, stand and fight. Sitting there and being scared of something that YOU control as a citizen is not really a smart way of doing things.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Firstly , you have a say , ALWAYS .
Governments are n't there to control the people ( while you may let them , it 's not the case ) , short of said governments tearing up constitutions and so forth you can always fight back.Secondly , there are KNOWN side effects with this vaccine , they are clearly stated prior to vaccination ( at least here in Australia ) as required by law - just the same as all vaccines.I really do n't get where these paranoid delusions suggesting that the government is something to fear .
Sure , they do some fucked up stuff , but you have to not let them get away with it .
Hold them accountable , stand and fight .
Sitting there and being scared of something that YOU control as a citizen is not really a smart way of doing things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Firstly, you have a say, ALWAYS.
Governments aren't there to control the people (while you may let them, it's not the case), short of said governments tearing up constitutions and so forth you can always fight back.Secondly, there are KNOWN side effects with this vaccine, they are clearly stated prior to vaccination (at least here in Australia) as required by law - just the same as all vaccines.I really don't get where these paranoid delusions suggesting that the government is something to fear.
Sure, they do some fucked up stuff, but you have to not let them get away with it.
Hold them accountable, stand and fight.
Sitting there and being scared of something that YOU control as a citizen is not really a smart way of doing things.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29859395</id>
	<title>Re:Unions are outraged!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256376960000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Fine.  If a patient dies due to Swine flu and you knew that the vaccine could have prevented them from geting infected by you then I say that you're liable and should be held accountable for your actions.  Also Mg (Magnesium) isn't a heavy metal, Hg (Mercury) is and hasn't been used in the flu vaccines for years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fine .
If a patient dies due to Swine flu and you knew that the vaccine could have prevented them from geting infected by you then I say that you 're liable and should be held accountable for your actions .
Also Mg ( Magnesium ) is n't a heavy metal , Hg ( Mercury ) is and has n't been used in the flu vaccines for years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fine.
If a patient dies due to Swine flu and you knew that the vaccine could have prevented them from geting infected by you then I say that you're liable and should be held accountable for your actions.
Also Mg (Magnesium) isn't a heavy metal, Hg (Mercury) is and hasn't been used in the flu vaccines for years.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29864085</id>
	<title>Profits are negligable</title>
	<author>General Wesc</author>
	<datestamp>1256481300000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Similarly, the suggestion that pharmaceutical companies make vaccines hoping to pocket huge profits is ludicrous to Offit. Vaccines, after all, are given once or twice or three times in a lifetime. Diabetes drugs, neurological drugs, Lipitor, Viagra, even Rogaine &mdash; stuff that a large number of people use every day &mdash; <em>that&rsquo;s</em> where the money is.</p><p>That&rsquo;s not to say vaccines aren&rsquo;t profitable: RotaTeq costs a little under $4 a dose to make, according to Offit. Merck has sold a total of more than 24 million doses in the US, most for $69.59 a pop &mdash; a 17-fold markup. Not bad, but pharmaceutical companies do sell a lot of vaccines at cost to the developing world and in some cases give them away. Merck committed $75 million in 2006 to vaccinate all children born in Nicaragua for three years. In 2008, Merck&rsquo;s revenue from RotaTeq was $665 million. Meanwhile, a blockbuster drug like Pfizer&rsquo;s Lipitor is a $12 billion-a-year business.</p></div> </blockquote><p>(<a href="http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/10/ff\_waronscience/all/1" title="wired.com">Source -- definitely worth reading</a> [wired.com])</p><p>Vaccines save lives. Anti-vaxxers use lies and bullying to kill people and promote their pseudoscientific nonsense. It's a shame they won this battle, and people will die as a result. If there's one area of science and technology that needs an army of Slashdotters defending it today, it's vaccines and science-based medicine in general. Fight back.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Similarly , the suggestion that pharmaceutical companies make vaccines hoping to pocket huge profits is ludicrous to Offit .
Vaccines , after all , are given once or twice or three times in a lifetime .
Diabetes drugs , neurological drugs , Lipitor , Viagra , even Rogaine    stuff that a large number of people use every day    that    s where the money is.That    s not to say vaccines aren    t profitable : RotaTeq costs a little under $ 4 a dose to make , according to Offit .
Merck has sold a total of more than 24 million doses in the US , most for $ 69.59 a pop    a 17-fold markup .
Not bad , but pharmaceutical companies do sell a lot of vaccines at cost to the developing world and in some cases give them away .
Merck committed $ 75 million in 2006 to vaccinate all children born in Nicaragua for three years .
In 2008 , Merck    s revenue from RotaTeq was $ 665 million .
Meanwhile , a blockbuster drug like Pfizer    s Lipitor is a $ 12 billion-a-year business .
( Source -- definitely worth reading [ wired.com ] ) Vaccines save lives .
Anti-vaxxers use lies and bullying to kill people and promote their pseudoscientific nonsense .
It 's a shame they won this battle , and people will die as a result .
If there 's one area of science and technology that needs an army of Slashdotters defending it today , it 's vaccines and science-based medicine in general .
Fight back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Similarly, the suggestion that pharmaceutical companies make vaccines hoping to pocket huge profits is ludicrous to Offit.
Vaccines, after all, are given once or twice or three times in a lifetime.
Diabetes drugs, neurological drugs, Lipitor, Viagra, even Rogaine — stuff that a large number of people use every day — that’s where the money is.That’s not to say vaccines aren’t profitable: RotaTeq costs a little under $4 a dose to make, according to Offit.
Merck has sold a total of more than 24 million doses in the US, most for $69.59 a pop — a 17-fold markup.
Not bad, but pharmaceutical companies do sell a lot of vaccines at cost to the developing world and in some cases give them away.
Merck committed $75 million in 2006 to vaccinate all children born in Nicaragua for three years.
In 2008, Merck’s revenue from RotaTeq was $665 million.
Meanwhile, a blockbuster drug like Pfizer’s Lipitor is a $12 billion-a-year business.
(Source -- definitely worth reading [wired.com])Vaccines save lives.
Anti-vaxxers use lies and bullying to kill people and promote their pseudoscientific nonsense.
It's a shame they won this battle, and people will die as a result.
If there's one area of science and technology that needs an army of Slashdotters defending it today, it's vaccines and science-based medicine in general.
Fight back.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29877073</id>
	<title>Re:BUSTED!</title>
	<author>noprunesmoothie</author>
	<datestamp>1256550240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>H1N1 may indeed be pandemic in NYS, but it's still not as prevalent as corruption.</p></div><p>Amen brother!  I thought that making a decision such as mandated vaccination shouldn't be left up to a single individual.  Perhaps this is why......</p></div>
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<tokenext>H1N1 may indeed be pandemic in NYS , but it 's still not as prevalent as corruption.Amen brother !
I thought that making a decision such as mandated vaccination should n't be left up to a single individual .
Perhaps this is why..... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>H1N1 may indeed be pandemic in NYS, but it's still not as prevalent as corruption.Amen brother!
I thought that making a decision such as mandated vaccination shouldn't be left up to a single individual.
Perhaps this is why......
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29860355</id>
	<title>Re:antivaxxers on slashdot</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256383860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Mod parent up!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mod parent up !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mod parent up!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29862807</id>
	<title>Re:antivaxxers on slashdot</title>
	<author>Erythros</author>
	<datestamp>1256501880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>We've been seeing tons and tons of articles like this recently on slashdot. There's a consistent anti-vaccine slant on all of them. I'm guessing that there's some small group of antivaccine crazies who are active on the firehose, and they consistently vote up each other's stories.</p></div><p>I am always amazed at how these trolls get modded up?<br>Who is the idiot in charge here?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We 've been seeing tons and tons of articles like this recently on slashdot .
There 's a consistent anti-vaccine slant on all of them .
I 'm guessing that there 's some small group of antivaccine crazies who are active on the firehose , and they consistently vote up each other 's stories.I am always amazed at how these trolls get modded up ? Who is the idiot in charge here ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We've been seeing tons and tons of articles like this recently on slashdot.
There's a consistent anti-vaccine slant on all of them.
I'm guessing that there's some small group of antivaccine crazies who are active on the firehose, and they consistently vote up each other's stories.I am always amazed at how these trolls get modded up?Who is the idiot in charge here?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29859517</id>
	<title>Surprised?</title>
	<author>hackus</author>
	<datestamp>1256377860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is no decision made about vaccines any more unless a politician has stock or the company making the vaccine gets hundreds of millions under the table.</p><p>Just imagine what they can do now, make a virus, release it, have it kill a few people, then make the vaccine for it.</p><p>Which is what I believe is exactly what is happening with  H1N1.</p><p>Corruption is so widespread in government and business right now I wouldn't be surprised if the people in question where not on the boards of the companies making the vaccine in some manner of capacity.</p><p>But suprised, not at all.  Logical outcome of events in my opinion.</p><p>-Hack</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is no decision made about vaccines any more unless a politician has stock or the company making the vaccine gets hundreds of millions under the table.Just imagine what they can do now , make a virus , release it , have it kill a few people , then make the vaccine for it.Which is what I believe is exactly what is happening with H1N1.Corruption is so widespread in government and business right now I would n't be surprised if the people in question where not on the boards of the companies making the vaccine in some manner of capacity.But suprised , not at all .
Logical outcome of events in my opinion.-Hack</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is no decision made about vaccines any more unless a politician has stock or the company making the vaccine gets hundreds of millions under the table.Just imagine what they can do now, make a virus, release it, have it kill a few people, then make the vaccine for it.Which is what I believe is exactly what is happening with  H1N1.Corruption is so widespread in government and business right now I wouldn't be surprised if the people in question where not on the boards of the companies making the vaccine in some manner of capacity.But suprised, not at all.
Logical outcome of events in my opinion.-Hack</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29859861</id>
	<title>Re:The hypocrisy is amazing...</title>
	<author>SetupWeasel</author>
	<datestamp>1256380020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They chose to work in a hospital. Hospitals need to prevent the spread of disease to their already ill patients. This is common sense. Every health care contract should have an immunization clause, and if they don't, it needs to be put in. If you don't want the shot, you are free to quit.</p><p>How is that like abortion?</p><p>I don't have to get a shot, because I don't work in a hospital. But I also have asthma, and I'm not a moron. So I'm getting the shot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They chose to work in a hospital .
Hospitals need to prevent the spread of disease to their already ill patients .
This is common sense .
Every health care contract should have an immunization clause , and if they do n't , it needs to be put in .
If you do n't want the shot , you are free to quit.How is that like abortion ? I do n't have to get a shot , because I do n't work in a hospital .
But I also have asthma , and I 'm not a moron .
So I 'm getting the shot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They chose to work in a hospital.
Hospitals need to prevent the spread of disease to their already ill patients.
This is common sense.
Every health care contract should have an immunization clause, and if they don't, it needs to be put in.
If you don't want the shot, you are free to quit.How is that like abortion?I don't have to get a shot, because I don't work in a hospital.
But I also have asthma, and I'm not a moron.
So I'm getting the shot.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29862781</id>
	<title>Re:Unions are outraged!</title>
	<author>Erythros</author>
	<datestamp>1256501460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is for all of the medically illiterate.<br>Getting the swine flu vaccine WILL NOT prevent a person from transmitting the disease, only help them better DEFEND against it.</p><p>All of the major transmission sites are NOT hospitals, but rather schools where there is not a good protocol or trained professionals who know how to prevent/limit transmission.<br>I say to you CHILDREN should be vaccinated.<br>Now I guarantee most parents would be outraged.</p><p>From your own sig;<br>"free flow of knowledge and trade defend liberty better than force"<br>Healthcare workers should NOT be forced into this not so thoroughly tested vaccine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is for all of the medically illiterate.Getting the swine flu vaccine WILL NOT prevent a person from transmitting the disease , only help them better DEFEND against it.All of the major transmission sites are NOT hospitals , but rather schools where there is not a good protocol or trained professionals who know how to prevent/limit transmission.I say to you CHILDREN should be vaccinated.Now I guarantee most parents would be outraged.From your own sig ; " free flow of knowledge and trade defend liberty better than force " Healthcare workers should NOT be forced into this not so thoroughly tested vaccine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is for all of the medically illiterate.Getting the swine flu vaccine WILL NOT prevent a person from transmitting the disease, only help them better DEFEND against it.All of the major transmission sites are NOT hospitals, but rather schools where there is not a good protocol or trained professionals who know how to prevent/limit transmission.I say to you CHILDREN should be vaccinated.Now I guarantee most parents would be outraged.From your own sig;"free flow of knowledge and trade defend liberty better than force"Healthcare workers should NOT be forced into this not so thoroughly tested vaccine.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29859487</id>
	<title>Re:antivaxxers on slashdot</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256377560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Probably but I think it's more general than that.  Currently there is a huge backlash against stuff like this and it includes a substantial part of the general population.</p><p>Frankly I think it's good that people are finally waking up to the widespread corruption and other shenanigans that have been plaguing human culture.  Judges sentencing people for profit, prisons being run for profit, companies pushing unsafe drugs for profit, and all the other government and corporate corruption mostly tied to profit, etc, etc.</p><p>Personally I think some vaccinations should be mandatory.  It makes sense for the things that can be pretty much completely wiped out (small pox, polio, etc).  However, vaccines against the flu will never even make the smallest dent against the infection (in general).  It just changes too often and there are way too many variants.  On top of that, it just isn't a very bad disease.  It's incredibly infectious but really not very strong (some people will die but people die every damn day from common bugs).  That is why I don't think the flu vaccine should mandatory.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Probably but I think it 's more general than that .
Currently there is a huge backlash against stuff like this and it includes a substantial part of the general population.Frankly I think it 's good that people are finally waking up to the widespread corruption and other shenanigans that have been plaguing human culture .
Judges sentencing people for profit , prisons being run for profit , companies pushing unsafe drugs for profit , and all the other government and corporate corruption mostly tied to profit , etc , etc.Personally I think some vaccinations should be mandatory .
It makes sense for the things that can be pretty much completely wiped out ( small pox , polio , etc ) .
However , vaccines against the flu will never even make the smallest dent against the infection ( in general ) .
It just changes too often and there are way too many variants .
On top of that , it just is n't a very bad disease .
It 's incredibly infectious but really not very strong ( some people will die but people die every damn day from common bugs ) .
That is why I do n't think the flu vaccine should mandatory .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Probably but I think it's more general than that.
Currently there is a huge backlash against stuff like this and it includes a substantial part of the general population.Frankly I think it's good that people are finally waking up to the widespread corruption and other shenanigans that have been plaguing human culture.
Judges sentencing people for profit, prisons being run for profit, companies pushing unsafe drugs for profit, and all the other government and corporate corruption mostly tied to profit, etc, etc.Personally I think some vaccinations should be mandatory.
It makes sense for the things that can be pretty much completely wiped out (small pox, polio, etc).
However, vaccines against the flu will never even make the smallest dent against the infection (in general).
It just changes too often and there are way too many variants.
On top of that, it just isn't a very bad disease.
It's incredibly infectious but really not very strong (some people will die but people die every damn day from common bugs).
That is why I don't think the flu vaccine should mandatory.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29859463</id>
	<title>Re:Mandating vaccines...</title>
	<author>Jeff DeMaagd</author>
	<datestamp>1256377380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Going into crazy paranoia zone here now, but how long until RFID chips (which have already been linked to cancer) will be mandatory for government employees for "security reasons?"</p></div><p>I only found one study.  That study was in Sept 2007, no news stories since then.  Until it's confirmed by an independent study, I don't know if it's legitimate to say there is a link.  Besides, RFID works using non-ionizing radiation (i.e. doesn't break molecules or DNA), not sure how there can be cancer, at least with the RF part.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Going into crazy paranoia zone here now , but how long until RFID chips ( which have already been linked to cancer ) will be mandatory for government employees for " security reasons ?
" I only found one study .
That study was in Sept 2007 , no news stories since then .
Until it 's confirmed by an independent study , I do n't know if it 's legitimate to say there is a link .
Besides , RFID works using non-ionizing radiation ( i.e .
does n't break molecules or DNA ) , not sure how there can be cancer , at least with the RF part .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Going into crazy paranoia zone here now, but how long until RFID chips (which have already been linked to cancer) will be mandatory for government employees for "security reasons?
"I only found one study.
That study was in Sept 2007, no news stories since then.
Until it's confirmed by an independent study, I don't know if it's legitimate to say there is a link.
Besides, RFID works using non-ionizing radiation (i.e.
doesn't break molecules or DNA), not sure how there can be cancer, at least with the RF part.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29859769</id>
	<title>Re:The hypocrisy is amazing...</title>
	<author>Have Brain Will Rent</author>
	<datestamp>1256379420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>The same people who say that women must have free access to abortion, because they have the right to say what they do with their bodies, are now saying that NYS health care workers don't have the right to say what they do with their bodies with regards to a vaccine?</i> </p><p>
Well yes, but it's different - the workers aren't all women. Seriously that would be the first argument if they were - sexual discrimination.</p><p> <i>Why is it that liberals say that a woman has the right to decide whether or not she gets an abortion because it's her body, but say that health care workers don't have the right to decide whether or not they get vaccines, even though it's their body?????
</i> </p><p>
Because the lives of women are deemed to be more important than the lives of men? Again, seriously. Just look at the media (and mortality/injury statistics) and see what lives are given the most value and what lives are seen as more disposable. I've been waiting for feminists to start protesting the unequal treatment for a while now. I expect that will happen any day now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The same people who say that women must have free access to abortion , because they have the right to say what they do with their bodies , are now saying that NYS health care workers do n't have the right to say what they do with their bodies with regards to a vaccine ?
Well yes , but it 's different - the workers are n't all women .
Seriously that would be the first argument if they were - sexual discrimination .
Why is it that liberals say that a woman has the right to decide whether or not she gets an abortion because it 's her body , but say that health care workers do n't have the right to decide whether or not they get vaccines , even though it 's their body ? ? ? ? ?
Because the lives of women are deemed to be more important than the lives of men ?
Again , seriously .
Just look at the media ( and mortality/injury statistics ) and see what lives are given the most value and what lives are seen as more disposable .
I 've been waiting for feminists to start protesting the unequal treatment for a while now .
I expect that will happen any day now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> The same people who say that women must have free access to abortion, because they have the right to say what they do with their bodies, are now saying that NYS health care workers don't have the right to say what they do with their bodies with regards to a vaccine?
Well yes, but it's different - the workers aren't all women.
Seriously that would be the first argument if they were - sexual discrimination.
Why is it that liberals say that a woman has the right to decide whether or not she gets an abortion because it's her body, but say that health care workers don't have the right to decide whether or not they get vaccines, even though it's their body?????
Because the lives of women are deemed to be more important than the lives of men?
Again, seriously.
Just look at the media (and mortality/injury statistics) and see what lives are given the most value and what lives are seen as more disposable.
I've been waiting for feminists to start protesting the unequal treatment for a while now.
I expect that will happen any day now.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29859087</id>
	<title>Mandating vaccines...</title>
	<author>Manip</author>
	<datestamp>1256417940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've read suggestions to make people (kids in particular) get vaccinations before but frankly I have never been comfortable with the concept. When you start telling people that they must put something foreign into their bodies at what point exactly does it stop?</p><p>Plus what happens if this vaccine turns out to have nasty side effects? Is the state who mandated it responsible or will they just wash their hands and say - "You had a choice!" That's what they tried to do after all the medication they made soliders take in the first gulf war turned out to have serious long term side effects.</p><p>Going into crazy paranoia zone here now, but how long until RFID chips (which have already been linked to cancer) will be mandatory for government employees for "security reasons?"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've read suggestions to make people ( kids in particular ) get vaccinations before but frankly I have never been comfortable with the concept .
When you start telling people that they must put something foreign into their bodies at what point exactly does it stop ? Plus what happens if this vaccine turns out to have nasty side effects ?
Is the state who mandated it responsible or will they just wash their hands and say - " You had a choice !
" That 's what they tried to do after all the medication they made soliders take in the first gulf war turned out to have serious long term side effects.Going into crazy paranoia zone here now , but how long until RFID chips ( which have already been linked to cancer ) will be mandatory for government employees for " security reasons ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've read suggestions to make people (kids in particular) get vaccinations before but frankly I have never been comfortable with the concept.
When you start telling people that they must put something foreign into their bodies at what point exactly does it stop?Plus what happens if this vaccine turns out to have nasty side effects?
Is the state who mandated it responsible or will they just wash their hands and say - "You had a choice!
" That's what they tried to do after all the medication they made soliders take in the first gulf war turned out to have serious long term side effects.Going into crazy paranoia zone here now, but how long until RFID chips (which have already been linked to cancer) will be mandatory for government employees for "security reasons?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29862663</id>
	<title>Re:The hypocrisy is amazing...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256412360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Because getting an abortion doesn't endanger anyone else.</p></div><p>Tell that to the child.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because getting an abortion does n't endanger anyone else.Tell that to the child .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because getting an abortion doesn't endanger anyone else.Tell that to the child.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29859927</id>
	<title>Re:Mandating vaccines...</title>
	<author>Kenz0r</author>
	<datestamp>1256380440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wouldn't even care if RFID chips CURED cancer, whether or not one goes underneath my skin should be my decision.<br>
The very idea of mandatory chipping for people is revolting.<br> <br>
I agree with parent, encouraging people to take thoroughly tested vaccines that could stop a pandemic in its tracks is a good thing, but making it mandatory, that's a dangerous precendent.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would n't even care if RFID chips CURED cancer , whether or not one goes underneath my skin should be my decision .
The very idea of mandatory chipping for people is revolting .
I agree with parent , encouraging people to take thoroughly tested vaccines that could stop a pandemic in its tracks is a good thing , but making it mandatory , that 's a dangerous precendent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wouldn't even care if RFID chips CURED cancer, whether or not one goes underneath my skin should be my decision.
The very idea of mandatory chipping for people is revolting.
I agree with parent, encouraging people to take thoroughly tested vaccines that could stop a pandemic in its tracks is a good thing, but making it mandatory, that's a dangerous precendent.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29860563</id>
	<title>Mandatory Waiter Handwashing</title>
	<author>Doc Ruby</author>
	<datestamp>1256385960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The corruption angle here might be a good reason to <i>investigate the interest-conflicted doctor</i>, and perhaps take back their ill-gotten gain if that's what's happening. But there's no basis to freak out about mandatory vaccination of health workers.</p><p>Waiters and other employees in restaurants are required to wash their hands, because their job puts them at higher risk of both getting and passing on disease to customers and fellow workers. The same risk management is necessary for health workers, who are much more at risk. The people screaming about the mandatory vaccinations of health workers aren't just crazy, they're interfering with protecting the public health.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The corruption angle here might be a good reason to investigate the interest-conflicted doctor , and perhaps take back their ill-gotten gain if that 's what 's happening .
But there 's no basis to freak out about mandatory vaccination of health workers.Waiters and other employees in restaurants are required to wash their hands , because their job puts them at higher risk of both getting and passing on disease to customers and fellow workers .
The same risk management is necessary for health workers , who are much more at risk .
The people screaming about the mandatory vaccinations of health workers are n't just crazy , they 're interfering with protecting the public health .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The corruption angle here might be a good reason to investigate the interest-conflicted doctor, and perhaps take back their ill-gotten gain if that's what's happening.
But there's no basis to freak out about mandatory vaccination of health workers.Waiters and other employees in restaurants are required to wash their hands, because their job puts them at higher risk of both getting and passing on disease to customers and fellow workers.
The same risk management is necessary for health workers, who are much more at risk.
The people screaming about the mandatory vaccinations of health workers aren't just crazy, they're interfering with protecting the public health.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Who cares, this is about personal risk management</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256397480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>And if you knew there were side effects but forced the vaccine on someone and they died should you be liable?  Stop fear mongering via emotions and use your brain.  Check the numbers, your chances of dying via regular influenza is just as high or higher than for H1N1 for most parts of the world (as of the last time I checked which was a few days ago).  Yes, some groups are at a higher risk, and if you are one you should do your own analysis based on numbers on whether you want the shot(s) or not; and if shit happens, and you or your kids die, then that's that.  How do you know if the vaccine would have helped, or done anything at all?  Or killed them within hours of getting a shot (this was the cervical cancer shot but a risk is a risk - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8279855.stm )?  Now, just to clarify, my kids have received all their shots, including the chicken pox shot (that was just started a few years ago, but had gone through a 20 year test in Japan first); and no, my family and I are not getting the H1N1 anytime soon as I calculate the risk to be unjustifiable at this time.  I may/will revise that opinion over the following years as vaccines for flu's get the "test of time" seal that vaccines like the chicken pox one has.<br>In fact, I would rather get hepatitis, polio, and TB shots for my kids over any of the flu shots; unfortunately, they are not provided or easy to get.<br>
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<tokenext>And if you knew there were side effects but forced the vaccine on someone and they died should you be liable ?
Stop fear mongering via emotions and use your brain .
Check the numbers , your chances of dying via regular influenza is just as high or higher than for H1N1 for most parts of the world ( as of the last time I checked which was a few days ago ) .
Yes , some groups are at a higher risk , and if you are one you should do your own analysis based on numbers on whether you want the shot ( s ) or not ; and if shit happens , and you or your kids die , then that 's that .
How do you know if the vaccine would have helped , or done anything at all ?
Or killed them within hours of getting a shot ( this was the cervical cancer shot but a risk is a risk - http : //news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8279855.stm ) ?
Now , just to clarify , my kids have received all their shots , including the chicken pox shot ( that was just started a few years ago , but had gone through a 20 year test in Japan first ) ; and no , my family and I are not getting the H1N1 anytime soon as I calculate the risk to be unjustifiable at this time .
I may/will revise that opinion over the following years as vaccines for flu 's get the " test of time " seal that vaccines like the chicken pox one has.In fact , I would rather get hepatitis , polio , and TB shots for my kids over any of the flu shots ; unfortunately , they are not provided or easy to get .
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<sentencetext>And if you knew there were side effects but forced the vaccine on someone and they died should you be liable?
Stop fear mongering via emotions and use your brain.
Check the numbers, your chances of dying via regular influenza is just as high or higher than for H1N1 for most parts of the world (as of the last time I checked which was a few days ago).
Yes, some groups are at a higher risk, and if you are one you should do your own analysis based on numbers on whether you want the shot(s) or not; and if shit happens, and you or your kids die, then that's that.
How do you know if the vaccine would have helped, or done anything at all?
Or killed them within hours of getting a shot (this was the cervical cancer shot but a risk is a risk - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8279855.stm )?
Now, just to clarify, my kids have received all their shots, including the chicken pox shot (that was just started a few years ago, but had gone through a 20 year test in Japan first); and no, my family and I are not getting the H1N1 anytime soon as I calculate the risk to be unjustifiable at this time.
I may/will revise that opinion over the following years as vaccines for flu's get the "test of time" seal that vaccines like the chicken pox one has.In fact, I would rather get hepatitis, polio, and TB shots for my kids over any of the flu shots; unfortunately, they are not provided or easy to get.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29859903</id>
	<title>Re:The hypocrisy is amazing...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256380260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You were most likely circumcised as an infant, but what if you weren't and Daines decided AIDS was spreading too rapidly, and circumcision was shown to limit the spread of AIDS, therefore all uncircumcised males must report to the nurse's office for...treatment. Would that be OK?</p><p>I don't see it as hypocrisy or over-reaction, but a very valid attempt to avoid that slippery slope.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You were most likely circumcised as an infant , but what if you were n't and Daines decided AIDS was spreading too rapidly , and circumcision was shown to limit the spread of AIDS , therefore all uncircumcised males must report to the nurse 's office for...treatment .
Would that be OK ? I do n't see it as hypocrisy or over-reaction , but a very valid attempt to avoid that slippery slope .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You were most likely circumcised as an infant, but what if you weren't and Daines decided AIDS was spreading too rapidly, and circumcision was shown to limit the spread of AIDS, therefore all uncircumcised males must report to the nurse's office for...treatment.
Would that be OK?I don't see it as hypocrisy or over-reaction, but a very valid attempt to avoid that slippery slope.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29860153</id>
	<title>Ok here's what you do</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256382360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Put the sick people at one end of the hospital, and the healthy people at the other.. upwind. Now, everybody go home and take the rest of day off. Drinks are on the house.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Put the sick people at one end of the hospital , and the healthy people at the other.. upwind. Now , everybody go home and take the rest of day off .
Drinks are on the house .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Put the sick people at one end of the hospital, and the healthy people at the other.. upwind. Now, everybody go home and take the rest of day off.
Drinks are on the house.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29863469</id>
	<title>Re:control over one's body vs. public health</title>
	<author>RzUpAnmsCwrds</author>
	<datestamp>1256473140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>We're the only developed country that has this problem</p></div></blockquote><p>That's just false. There are significant anti-vaccine campaigns at least in the UK and Australia, and likely many other places that I don't know about.</p><p>This is a serious global problem. As you point out, not getting a vaccine puts everyone else at increased risk. If the anti-vaccine crowd gets their way, we could very well see resurgences in diseases such as Whooping Cough.</p><p>The reason it happens is that people are bad at understanding risk. The risk of dying to Influenza in a typical Flu season? About 1 in 10,000 (less if you're a healthy adult, more if you're in a high-risk group). That's about the same as your risk of being killed in a car accident.</p></div>
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<tokenext>We 're the only developed country that has this problemThat 's just false .
There are significant anti-vaccine campaigns at least in the UK and Australia , and likely many other places that I do n't know about.This is a serious global problem .
As you point out , not getting a vaccine puts everyone else at increased risk .
If the anti-vaccine crowd gets their way , we could very well see resurgences in diseases such as Whooping Cough.The reason it happens is that people are bad at understanding risk .
The risk of dying to Influenza in a typical Flu season ?
About 1 in 10,000 ( less if you 're a healthy adult , more if you 're in a high-risk group ) .
That 's about the same as your risk of being killed in a car accident .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We're the only developed country that has this problemThat's just false.
There are significant anti-vaccine campaigns at least in the UK and Australia, and likely many other places that I don't know about.This is a serious global problem.
As you point out, not getting a vaccine puts everyone else at increased risk.
If the anti-vaccine crowd gets their way, we could very well see resurgences in diseases such as Whooping Cough.The reason it happens is that people are bad at understanding risk.
The risk of dying to Influenza in a typical Flu season?
About 1 in 10,000 (less if you're a healthy adult, more if you're in a high-risk group).
That's about the same as your risk of being killed in a car accident.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29859707</id>
	<title>Re:Mandating vaccines...</title>
	<author>Have Brain Will Rent</author>
	<datestamp>1256379000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No way I can tell how accurate this is but if it is then it raises a whole lot of questions that ought to be asked... starting with the obvious: who got the money?<br> <br>

<a href="http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/story.html?id=2130246" title="nationalpost.com">http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/story.html?id=2130246</a> [nationalpost.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>No way I can tell how accurate this is but if it is then it raises a whole lot of questions that ought to be asked... starting with the obvious : who got the money ?
http : //www.nationalpost.com/opinion/story.html ? id = 2130246 [ nationalpost.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No way I can tell how accurate this is but if it is then it raises a whole lot of questions that ought to be asked... starting with the obvious: who got the money?
http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/story.html?id=2130246 [nationalpost.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29859259</id>
	<title>Re:Mandating vaccines...</title>
	<author>ctmurray</author>
	<datestamp>1256375940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Currently they are recommending children with underlaying medical issues get vaccinated first (asthma, MD) and women in their third trimester. Both because they are those who are dying at the highest rates. All the reputable medical sites/doctors say the H1N1 vaccine will have the same risks as normal flu vaccine- as they are both made exactly the same way. There is nothing about this strain of virus that makes the vaccine more dangerous. They are even offering versions without the normal preservative (which contains a mercury adduct that has concerned some people).<br> <br>
Everyone adult I know who has gotten the H1N1 was infected from children (usually their kids).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Currently they are recommending children with underlaying medical issues get vaccinated first ( asthma , MD ) and women in their third trimester .
Both because they are those who are dying at the highest rates .
All the reputable medical sites/doctors say the H1N1 vaccine will have the same risks as normal flu vaccine- as they are both made exactly the same way .
There is nothing about this strain of virus that makes the vaccine more dangerous .
They are even offering versions without the normal preservative ( which contains a mercury adduct that has concerned some people ) .
Everyone adult I know who has gotten the H1N1 was infected from children ( usually their kids ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Currently they are recommending children with underlaying medical issues get vaccinated first (asthma, MD) and women in their third trimester.
Both because they are those who are dying at the highest rates.
All the reputable medical sites/doctors say the H1N1 vaccine will have the same risks as normal flu vaccine- as they are both made exactly the same way.
There is nothing about this strain of virus that makes the vaccine more dangerous.
They are even offering versions without the normal preservative (which contains a mercury adduct that has concerned some people).
Everyone adult I know who has gotten the H1N1 was infected from children (usually their kids).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29859495</id>
	<title>Re:Mandating vaccines...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256377680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I've read suggestions to make people (kids in particular) get vaccinations before but frankly I have never been comfortable with the concept. When you start telling people that they must put something foreign into their bodies at what point exactly does it stop?</p></div><p>If you don't like foreign substances in your body, don't eat<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)  But vaccinations are a matter of science, not how you feel.  Did you that vaccine rates and disease rates are <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2006/10/pertussis\_returns\_in\_states\_with\_lax\_vac\_1.php" title="scienceblogs.com" rel="nofollow">inversely correlated?</a> [scienceblogs.com]  Germs and viruses don't care if it gives you the willies.  And yes, vaccines have side effects, sometimes people die, but it is either that or smallpox.  The danger isn't eliminated, you're just trading real danger for a one in a million risk.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I 've read suggestions to make people ( kids in particular ) get vaccinations before but frankly I have never been comfortable with the concept .
When you start telling people that they must put something foreign into their bodies at what point exactly does it stop ? If you do n't like foreign substances in your body , do n't eat : - ) But vaccinations are a matter of science , not how you feel .
Did you that vaccine rates and disease rates are inversely correlated ?
[ scienceblogs.com ] Germs and viruses do n't care if it gives you the willies .
And yes , vaccines have side effects , sometimes people die , but it is either that or smallpox .
The danger is n't eliminated , you 're just trading real danger for a one in a million risk .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've read suggestions to make people (kids in particular) get vaccinations before but frankly I have never been comfortable with the concept.
When you start telling people that they must put something foreign into their bodies at what point exactly does it stop?If you don't like foreign substances in your body, don't eat :-)  But vaccinations are a matter of science, not how you feel.
Did you that vaccine rates and disease rates are inversely correlated?
[scienceblogs.com]  Germs and viruses don't care if it gives you the willies.
And yes, vaccines have side effects, sometimes people die, but it is either that or smallpox.
The danger isn't eliminated, you're just trading real danger for a one in a million risk.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29860381</id>
	<title>Re:antivaxxers on slashdot</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256384100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No one is obligated to make reality something other than it is, in order to make you <i>not</i> crazy.</p><p>The Earth is round.  It doesn't matter how badly you want it to be flat; it's still round and saying it's flat is voicing a denial of reality.</p><p>You should be able to voice your views on your own private blog where you rant to similarly deluded individuals.  But Slashdot is supposed to be "News For Nerds.  Stuff That Matters." Misunderstandings held by the ignorant and conspiracy theories held by the obsessed fall into neither category.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No one is obligated to make reality something other than it is , in order to make you not crazy.The Earth is round .
It does n't matter how badly you want it to be flat ; it 's still round and saying it 's flat is voicing a denial of reality.You should be able to voice your views on your own private blog where you rant to similarly deluded individuals .
But Slashdot is supposed to be " News For Nerds .
Stuff That Matters .
" Misunderstandings held by the ignorant and conspiracy theories held by the obsessed fall into neither category .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No one is obligated to make reality something other than it is, in order to make you not crazy.The Earth is round.
It doesn't matter how badly you want it to be flat; it's still round and saying it's flat is voicing a denial of reality.You should be able to voice your views on your own private blog where you rant to similarly deluded individuals.
But Slashdot is supposed to be "News For Nerds.
Stuff That Matters.
" Misunderstandings held by the ignorant and conspiracy theories held by the obsessed fall into neither category.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29859303</id>
	<title>antivaxxers on slashdot</title>
	<author>bcrowell</author>
	<datestamp>1256376180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
We've been seeing tons and tons of articles like this recently on slashdot. There's a consistent anti-vaccine slant on all of them. I'm guessing that there's some small group of antivaccine crazies who are active on the firehose, and they consistently vote up each other's stories.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We 've been seeing tons and tons of articles like this recently on slashdot .
There 's a consistent anti-vaccine slant on all of them .
I 'm guessing that there 's some small group of antivaccine crazies who are active on the firehose , and they consistently vote up each other 's stories .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
We've been seeing tons and tons of articles like this recently on slashdot.
There's a consistent anti-vaccine slant on all of them.
I'm guessing that there's some small group of antivaccine crazies who are active on the firehose, and they consistently vote up each other's stories.
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29859461</id>
	<title>Re:Unions are outraged!</title>
	<author>DoofusOfDeath</author>
	<datestamp>1256377380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I am usually as anti-union as they come</p></div></blockquote><p>You send thugs with baseball bats to break up union meetings?</p><p>Damn...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am usually as anti-union as they comeYou send thugs with baseball bats to break up union meetings ? Damn.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am usually as anti-union as they comeYou send thugs with baseball bats to break up union meetings?Damn...
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29859603</id>
	<title>Re:The hypocrisy is amazing...</title>
	<author>Beelzebud</author>
	<datestamp>1256378340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't really see why you're conflating this with abortion, and then heaping the blame on liberals.  It strikes me as very disingenuous to even compare the two things.  You were vaccinated as an infant against diseases, do you also consider that to be a violation of your privacy rights?  To me it doesn't seem like a bad idea to have health care workers, in a heavily populated city like New York, to be vaccinated against something they'll likely be exposed to.
<br>
<br>
To me this looks more like 'six degrees of separation' being made by a local right-wing radio station.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't really see why you 're conflating this with abortion , and then heaping the blame on liberals .
It strikes me as very disingenuous to even compare the two things .
You were vaccinated as an infant against diseases , do you also consider that to be a violation of your privacy rights ?
To me it does n't seem like a bad idea to have health care workers , in a heavily populated city like New York , to be vaccinated against something they 'll likely be exposed to .
To me this looks more like 'six degrees of separation ' being made by a local right-wing radio station .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't really see why you're conflating this with abortion, and then heaping the blame on liberals.
It strikes me as very disingenuous to even compare the two things.
You were vaccinated as an infant against diseases, do you also consider that to be a violation of your privacy rights?
To me it doesn't seem like a bad idea to have health care workers, in a heavily populated city like New York, to be vaccinated against something they'll likely be exposed to.
To me this looks more like 'six degrees of separation' being made by a local right-wing radio station.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29862615</id>
	<title>putting your safety in front of others....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256411100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My wife in being forced into taking the flu shot and the H1N1 vaccine... so far she is resisting to take any of them. She does work if a hospital, but in a clerical position, she does not have ANY contact with patients other than over the phone, yet she is being forced to introduce harmful bacteria into her body. We are really waiting for the courts to decide if it is legal for employers to demand such a thing.</p><p>To all those people who say it's understandable, think about if you would want to risk your spouses health for a vaccine that might do more damage to her/him than if would for the masses.</p><p>Maybe it would sound selfish, but to be honest i dont want my wife taking risks for safety of other people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My wife in being forced into taking the flu shot and the H1N1 vaccine... so far she is resisting to take any of them .
She does work if a hospital , but in a clerical position , she does not have ANY contact with patients other than over the phone , yet she is being forced to introduce harmful bacteria into her body .
We are really waiting for the courts to decide if it is legal for employers to demand such a thing.To all those people who say it 's understandable , think about if you would want to risk your spouses health for a vaccine that might do more damage to her/him than if would for the masses.Maybe it would sound selfish , but to be honest i dont want my wife taking risks for safety of other people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My wife in being forced into taking the flu shot and the H1N1 vaccine... so far she is resisting to take any of them.
She does work if a hospital, but in a clerical position, she does not have ANY contact with patients other than over the phone, yet she is being forced to introduce harmful bacteria into her body.
We are really waiting for the courts to decide if it is legal for employers to demand such a thing.To all those people who say it's understandable, think about if you would want to risk your spouses health for a vaccine that might do more damage to her/him than if would for the masses.Maybe it would sound selfish, but to be honest i dont want my wife taking risks for safety of other people.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29859925</id>
	<title>The opposition</title>
	<author>Animats</author>
	<datestamp>1256380440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Most of the opposition in New York seems to be coming from some nutcase who runs an embroidery firm, organizes GOP "Tea Parties", and rants about vaccines and autism.
</p><p>
Vaccines are safer than most over the counter medications.  The US already has over 1000 swine flu deaths this year, and we're not even into winter yet.  Getting vaccinated is definitely a statistical win.  Getting medical personnel vaccinated is essential; they are going to encounter infected patients, and they can transmit the disease to others weakened by other illnesses.
</p><p>
General Charles Krulak (former Commandant of the United States Marine Corps, and one of the best ones) wrote <a href="http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/commandant/" title="defenselink.mil">this</a> [defenselink.mil] about the USMC mandatory anthrax vaccination program:
"As we continue to broaden this program, I want to make you aware of a phenomenon we have observed: reluctance to take the anthrax vaccination is inversely proportional to the distance the marine is from the fighting hole. No marines engaged in Desert Thunder refused the vaccine."  No nonsense there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most of the opposition in New York seems to be coming from some nutcase who runs an embroidery firm , organizes GOP " Tea Parties " , and rants about vaccines and autism .
Vaccines are safer than most over the counter medications .
The US already has over 1000 swine flu deaths this year , and we 're not even into winter yet .
Getting vaccinated is definitely a statistical win .
Getting medical personnel vaccinated is essential ; they are going to encounter infected patients , and they can transmit the disease to others weakened by other illnesses .
General Charles Krulak ( former Commandant of the United States Marine Corps , and one of the best ones ) wrote this [ defenselink.mil ] about the USMC mandatory anthrax vaccination program : " As we continue to broaden this program , I want to make you aware of a phenomenon we have observed : reluctance to take the anthrax vaccination is inversely proportional to the distance the marine is from the fighting hole .
No marines engaged in Desert Thunder refused the vaccine .
" No nonsense there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Most of the opposition in New York seems to be coming from some nutcase who runs an embroidery firm, organizes GOP "Tea Parties", and rants about vaccines and autism.
Vaccines are safer than most over the counter medications.
The US already has over 1000 swine flu deaths this year, and we're not even into winter yet.
Getting vaccinated is definitely a statistical win.
Getting medical personnel vaccinated is essential; they are going to encounter infected patients, and they can transmit the disease to others weakened by other illnesses.
General Charles Krulak (former Commandant of the United States Marine Corps, and one of the best ones) wrote this [defenselink.mil] about the USMC mandatory anthrax vaccination program:
"As we continue to broaden this program, I want to make you aware of a phenomenon we have observed: reluctance to take the anthrax vaccination is inversely proportional to the distance the marine is from the fighting hole.
No marines engaged in Desert Thunder refused the vaccine.
"  No nonsense there.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29859429</id>
	<title>The hypocrisy is amazing...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256377140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The same people who say that women must have free access to abortion, because they have the right to say what they do with their bodies, are now saying that NYS health care workers don't have the right to say what they do with their bodies with regards to a vaccine?</p><p>When I deployed to Iraq, I didn't want to take the anthrax vaccine, because the DoD were lying to us about it.  They claimed that it was the same vaccine that veterinarians take.  My wife is a veterinarian, and the shots they gave me were not what she gets.</p><p>I didn't want to take it, but I didn't have a choice.  As a soldier, I don't have any rights over my own body.  If the DoD says I have to take a vaccine, then I have to take it or face a courts martial.  So I took the vaccine, and endured one of the known side effects: I had arthritis in both of my shoulders for over a year.  I'm lucky that it's mostly gone now.</p><p>Why is it that liberals say that a woman has the right to decide whether or not she gets an abortion because it's her body, but say that health care workers don't have the right to decide whether or not they get vaccines, even though it's their body?????</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The same people who say that women must have free access to abortion , because they have the right to say what they do with their bodies , are now saying that NYS health care workers do n't have the right to say what they do with their bodies with regards to a vaccine ? When I deployed to Iraq , I did n't want to take the anthrax vaccine , because the DoD were lying to us about it .
They claimed that it was the same vaccine that veterinarians take .
My wife is a veterinarian , and the shots they gave me were not what she gets.I did n't want to take it , but I did n't have a choice .
As a soldier , I do n't have any rights over my own body .
If the DoD says I have to take a vaccine , then I have to take it or face a courts martial .
So I took the vaccine , and endured one of the known side effects : I had arthritis in both of my shoulders for over a year .
I 'm lucky that it 's mostly gone now.Why is it that liberals say that a woman has the right to decide whether or not she gets an abortion because it 's her body , but say that health care workers do n't have the right to decide whether or not they get vaccines , even though it 's their body ? ? ? ?
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<sentencetext>The same people who say that women must have free access to abortion, because they have the right to say what they do with their bodies, are now saying that NYS health care workers don't have the right to say what they do with their bodies with regards to a vaccine?When I deployed to Iraq, I didn't want to take the anthrax vaccine, because the DoD were lying to us about it.
They claimed that it was the same vaccine that veterinarians take.
My wife is a veterinarian, and the shots they gave me were not what she gets.I didn't want to take it, but I didn't have a choice.
As a soldier, I don't have any rights over my own body.
If the DoD says I have to take a vaccine, then I have to take it or face a courts martial.
So I took the vaccine, and endured one of the known side effects: I had arthritis in both of my shoulders for over a year.
I'm lucky that it's mostly gone now.Why is it that liberals say that a woman has the right to decide whether or not she gets an abortion because it's her body, but say that health care workers don't have the right to decide whether or not they get vaccines, even though it's their body????
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29859061</id>
	<title>typo</title>
	<author>matzahboy</author>
	<datestamp>1256417760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just as an FYI, you have a typo in the title. "Manditory" should be "Mandatory"</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just as an FYI , you have a typo in the title .
" Manditory " should be " Mandatory "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just as an FYI, you have a typo in the title.
"Manditory" should be "Mandatory"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29862297</id>
	<title>Re:Mandating vaccines...</title>
	<author>blueg3</author>
	<datestamp>1256406360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>When you start telling people that they must put something foreign into their bodies at what point exactly does it stop?</p></div><p>Well, in this case, it stops right around the point where the state requires that health care workers receive the flu vaccine.</p><p>There's a reason slippery slope is a logical fallacy, rather than a legitimate logical argument.</p></div>
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<tokenext>When you start telling people that they must put something foreign into their bodies at what point exactly does it stop ? Well , in this case , it stops right around the point where the state requires that health care workers receive the flu vaccine.There 's a reason slippery slope is a logical fallacy , rather than a legitimate logical argument .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When you start telling people that they must put something foreign into their bodies at what point exactly does it stop?Well, in this case, it stops right around the point where the state requires that health care workers receive the flu vaccine.There's a reason slippery slope is a logical fallacy, rather than a legitimate logical argument.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29859569</id>
	<title>Re:antivaxxers on slashdot</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256378160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>So anyone who doesn't believe vaccines are the second coming is crazy and shouldn't be able to voice his views?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So anyone who does n't believe vaccines are the second coming is crazy and should n't be able to voice his views ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So anyone who doesn't believe vaccines are the second coming is crazy and shouldn't be able to voice his views?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29859705</id>
	<title>Re:The hypocrisy is amazing...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256379000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because getting an abortion doesn't endanger anyone else.<br> <br>
The reason vaccinations are mandated is because each person serves as a potential vessel to spread the disease to many other people.  Your choice of whether or not to take it is something that affects us all.  <br> <br>
I agree we should have a choice about what goes into our bodies, but this is the reasoning, and its not without merit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because getting an abortion does n't endanger anyone else .
The reason vaccinations are mandated is because each person serves as a potential vessel to spread the disease to many other people .
Your choice of whether or not to take it is something that affects us all .
I agree we should have a choice about what goes into our bodies , but this is the reasoning , and its not without merit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because getting an abortion doesn't endanger anyone else.
The reason vaccinations are mandated is because each person serves as a potential vessel to spread the disease to many other people.
Your choice of whether or not to take it is something that affects us all.
I agree we should have a choice about what goes into our bodies, but this is the reasoning, and its not without merit.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29859545</id>
	<title>Re:Unions are outraged!</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1256378040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Alternatively, they are outraged that the State can force someone to accept an elective medical treatment that may violate their religious convictions or may simply be a case where they are not convinced of it's safety or that it's benefits outweigh the risks. It hardly matters who agrees or disagrees with their assessment, it's THEIR body, not the state's.</p><p>There are a lot of people who consider their own body the last refuge of personal freedom and have deep philosophical objections to it's violation by the state.</p><p>Notably a number of people who have already been voluntarily vaccinated have joind in objecting to it being mandatory. It's also worth considering that according to articles on the subject, health care workers are "notoriously non-compliant" with flu vaccination. That is, the people best equipped to understand the benefits and risks tend to opt against being vaccinated.</p><p>It's understandable considering that while the various other vaccines have years of safety record and a one time risk in trade for for decades of worthwhile protection, the flu shot is essentially new every year and not much good after that year.</p><p>It's interesting how with all of the pressure to get vaccinated we don't even hear a peep about mandatory sick leave, a measure that certainly has proven benefits and carries no medical risks AND is effective against any communicable disease (yes, many are communicable before symptoms are manifest, but most have some overlap between communicability and symptoms).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Alternatively , they are outraged that the State can force someone to accept an elective medical treatment that may violate their religious convictions or may simply be a case where they are not convinced of it 's safety or that it 's benefits outweigh the risks .
It hardly matters who agrees or disagrees with their assessment , it 's THEIR body , not the state 's.There are a lot of people who consider their own body the last refuge of personal freedom and have deep philosophical objections to it 's violation by the state.Notably a number of people who have already been voluntarily vaccinated have joind in objecting to it being mandatory .
It 's also worth considering that according to articles on the subject , health care workers are " notoriously non-compliant " with flu vaccination .
That is , the people best equipped to understand the benefits and risks tend to opt against being vaccinated.It 's understandable considering that while the various other vaccines have years of safety record and a one time risk in trade for for decades of worthwhile protection , the flu shot is essentially new every year and not much good after that year.It 's interesting how with all of the pressure to get vaccinated we do n't even hear a peep about mandatory sick leave , a measure that certainly has proven benefits and carries no medical risks AND is effective against any communicable disease ( yes , many are communicable before symptoms are manifest , but most have some overlap between communicability and symptoms ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Alternatively, they are outraged that the State can force someone to accept an elective medical treatment that may violate their religious convictions or may simply be a case where they are not convinced of it's safety or that it's benefits outweigh the risks.
It hardly matters who agrees or disagrees with their assessment, it's THEIR body, not the state's.There are a lot of people who consider their own body the last refuge of personal freedom and have deep philosophical objections to it's violation by the state.Notably a number of people who have already been voluntarily vaccinated have joind in objecting to it being mandatory.
It's also worth considering that according to articles on the subject, health care workers are "notoriously non-compliant" with flu vaccination.
That is, the people best equipped to understand the benefits and risks tend to opt against being vaccinated.It's understandable considering that while the various other vaccines have years of safety record and a one time risk in trade for for decades of worthwhile protection, the flu shot is essentially new every year and not much good after that year.It's interesting how with all of the pressure to get vaccinated we don't even hear a peep about mandatory sick leave, a measure that certainly has proven benefits and carries no medical risks AND is effective against any communicable disease (yes, many are communicable before symptoms are manifest, but most have some overlap between communicability and symptoms).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29859035</id>
	<title>Unions are outraged!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256417520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The NY State Unions are Outraged that their employer wants to keep its workforce healthy.  My conspiracy theory is if the employees are healthy then the State can operate with less redundant staff meaning the Unions are making less money from dues.</p><p>I don't want to see Unions to end. However they are in need of serious reform. They are now working for themselves and not for the people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The NY State Unions are Outraged that their employer wants to keep its workforce healthy .
My conspiracy theory is if the employees are healthy then the State can operate with less redundant staff meaning the Unions are making less money from dues.I do n't want to see Unions to end .
However they are in need of serious reform .
They are now working for themselves and not for the people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The NY State Unions are Outraged that their employer wants to keep its workforce healthy.
My conspiracy theory is if the employees are healthy then the State can operate with less redundant staff meaning the Unions are making less money from dues.I don't want to see Unions to end.
However they are in need of serious reform.
They are now working for themselves and not for the people.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29860259</id>
	<title>I'd like to get one</title>
	<author>Quiet\_Desperation</author>
	<datestamp>1256383140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm in an age group with one of the lower incidence rates, but the highest death rate amongst those that do get it. It's weird.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm in an age group with one of the lower incidence rates , but the highest death rate amongst those that do get it .
It 's weird .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm in an age group with one of the lower incidence rates, but the highest death rate amongst those that do get it.
It's weird.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29865795</id>
	<title>Re:Unions are outraged!</title>
	<author>ultranova</author>
	<datestamp>1256497080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It's also worth considering that according to articles on the subject, health care workers are "notoriously non-compliant" with flu vaccination. That is, the people best equipped to understand the benefits and risks tend to opt against being vaccinated.</p></div> </blockquote><p>In my experience, the people most lax in the use of seatbelts are professional drivers. It could be written down as overconfidence in their own skill, except that they are equally lax when it's someone else - even someone they know has just gotten his driver's license - is driving. That's because they drive a lot everyday, and the more you do something, the less you think of risks while doing so.</p><p>Similarly, the health professionals not getting flu shots can be due to careful consideration of risks, or it can be because of a feeling of invulnerability gained from years of being near ill people without dying.</p></div>
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<tokenext>It 's also worth considering that according to articles on the subject , health care workers are " notoriously non-compliant " with flu vaccination .
That is , the people best equipped to understand the benefits and risks tend to opt against being vaccinated .
In my experience , the people most lax in the use of seatbelts are professional drivers .
It could be written down as overconfidence in their own skill , except that they are equally lax when it 's someone else - even someone they know has just gotten his driver 's license - is driving .
That 's because they drive a lot everyday , and the more you do something , the less you think of risks while doing so.Similarly , the health professionals not getting flu shots can be due to careful consideration of risks , or it can be because of a feeling of invulnerability gained from years of being near ill people without dying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's also worth considering that according to articles on the subject, health care workers are "notoriously non-compliant" with flu vaccination.
That is, the people best equipped to understand the benefits and risks tend to opt against being vaccinated.
In my experience, the people most lax in the use of seatbelts are professional drivers.
It could be written down as overconfidence in their own skill, except that they are equally lax when it's someone else - even someone they know has just gotten his driver's license - is driving.
That's because they drive a lot everyday, and the more you do something, the less you think of risks while doing so.Similarly, the health professionals not getting flu shots can be due to careful consideration of risks, or it can be because of a feeling of invulnerability gained from years of being near ill people without dying.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29861011</id>
	<title>Exemptions</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256390580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The government and the pharmcos got a law passed to exempt themselves from any responsibility from adverse reactions to the current swine flu vaccines. In short, they already passed a law saying they can't get sued over it, no matter what happens to you. As such, I think that is good enough reason to reject mandatory forced vaccinations. If people think it is safe and effective, even though the government wants no part in responsibility, ie, they don't really trust it themselves legally, let them take the shot. If they trusted it, there would be no need for the new law, now would there be?</p><p>reference: <a href="http://www.emaxhealth.com/1020/39/32326/swine-flu-vaccine-makers-granted-legal-immunity.html" title="emaxhealth.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.emaxhealth.com/1020/39/32326/swine-flu-vaccine-makers-granted-legal-immunity.html</a> [emaxhealth.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The government and the pharmcos got a law passed to exempt themselves from any responsibility from adverse reactions to the current swine flu vaccines .
In short , they already passed a law saying they ca n't get sued over it , no matter what happens to you .
As such , I think that is good enough reason to reject mandatory forced vaccinations .
If people think it is safe and effective , even though the government wants no part in responsibility , ie , they do n't really trust it themselves legally , let them take the shot .
If they trusted it , there would be no need for the new law , now would there be ? reference : http : //www.emaxhealth.com/1020/39/32326/swine-flu-vaccine-makers-granted-legal-immunity.html [ emaxhealth.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The government and the pharmcos got a law passed to exempt themselves from any responsibility from adverse reactions to the current swine flu vaccines.
In short, they already passed a law saying they can't get sued over it, no matter what happens to you.
As such, I think that is good enough reason to reject mandatory forced vaccinations.
If people think it is safe and effective, even though the government wants no part in responsibility, ie, they don't really trust it themselves legally, let them take the shot.
If they trusted it, there would be no need for the new law, now would there be?reference: http://www.emaxhealth.com/1020/39/32326/swine-flu-vaccine-makers-granted-legal-immunity.html [emaxhealth.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29861993</id>
	<title>You're busted yourself</title>
	<author>fm6</author>
	<datestamp>1256401680000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>For taking an inane pseudostory as proof of something.</p><p>It's a bit difficult to see how <i>anybody</i> could make a profit off mandatory vaccination of health workers. There's an extreme shortage of N1H1 vaccine, so any that actually gets made is going to be sold and used. This is just lame conspiracy mongering, the kind that mentally challenged right-wing pundits come up with <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,512218,00.html" title="foxnews.com">on a daily basis</a> [foxnews.com].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For taking an inane pseudostory as proof of something.It 's a bit difficult to see how anybody could make a profit off mandatory vaccination of health workers .
There 's an extreme shortage of N1H1 vaccine , so any that actually gets made is going to be sold and used .
This is just lame conspiracy mongering , the kind that mentally challenged right-wing pundits come up with on a daily basis [ foxnews.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For taking an inane pseudostory as proof of something.It's a bit difficult to see how anybody could make a profit off mandatory vaccination of health workers.
There's an extreme shortage of N1H1 vaccine, so any that actually gets made is going to be sold and used.
This is just lame conspiracy mongering, the kind that mentally challenged right-wing pundits come up with on a daily basis [foxnews.com].</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29862945</id>
	<title>Re:control over one's body vs. public health</title>
	<author>Monsuco</author>
	<datestamp>1256461800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is, just as the top poster says, anti-vaccine hysteria from people who think their gut beats experts, research, fact.  We're the only developed country that has this problem...the rest of the world, hell, even the Catholic church has accepted Evolution, yet nutjobs came out of the woodwork and demanded it's false and constantly challenge its teaching.  Then we had the anti-global-warming nutjobs.  Now it's anti-vaccine nutjobs.

</p><p>What's next?  Square Earth?  We're the pivoting point of the universe?  Why is it that it feels like only America has all the idiots who deny the obvious, proven, fact?</p></div><p>Clearly you have never read about issues in other countries. There are skeptics of global warming worldwide, there are critics of the teaching of evolution worldwide (or other widely accepted facts). There are plenty of anti-vaccine groups worldwide.
</p><p>
Additionally there are an ample supply of elitist snobs like you whom feel anyone who disagrees with them must simply be an "idiot" who "denies obvious, proven fact" and attempts to establish this point with strawman arguments.</p></div>
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<tokenext>This is , just as the top poster says , anti-vaccine hysteria from people who think their gut beats experts , research , fact .
We 're the only developed country that has this problem...the rest of the world , hell , even the Catholic church has accepted Evolution , yet nutjobs came out of the woodwork and demanded it 's false and constantly challenge its teaching .
Then we had the anti-global-warming nutjobs .
Now it 's anti-vaccine nutjobs .
What 's next ?
Square Earth ?
We 're the pivoting point of the universe ?
Why is it that it feels like only America has all the idiots who deny the obvious , proven , fact ? Clearly you have never read about issues in other countries .
There are skeptics of global warming worldwide , there are critics of the teaching of evolution worldwide ( or other widely accepted facts ) .
There are plenty of anti-vaccine groups worldwide .
Additionally there are an ample supply of elitist snobs like you whom feel anyone who disagrees with them must simply be an " idiot " who " denies obvious , proven fact " and attempts to establish this point with strawman arguments .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is, just as the top poster says, anti-vaccine hysteria from people who think their gut beats experts, research, fact.
We're the only developed country that has this problem...the rest of the world, hell, even the Catholic church has accepted Evolution, yet nutjobs came out of the woodwork and demanded it's false and constantly challenge its teaching.
Then we had the anti-global-warming nutjobs.
Now it's anti-vaccine nutjobs.
What's next?
Square Earth?
We're the pivoting point of the universe?
Why is it that it feels like only America has all the idiots who deny the obvious, proven, fact?Clearly you have never read about issues in other countries.
There are skeptics of global warming worldwide, there are critics of the teaching of evolution worldwide (or other widely accepted facts).
There are plenty of anti-vaccine groups worldwide.
Additionally there are an ample supply of elitist snobs like you whom feel anyone who disagrees with them must simply be an "idiot" who "denies obvious, proven fact" and attempts to establish this point with strawman arguments.
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	<title>Re:Mandating vaccines...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256377020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Alright, but if you get mumps orchitis because you refused to get the MMR vaccine, then we as a society shouldn't be obligated to treat your malady. Is that fair?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Alright , but if you get mumps orchitis because you refused to get the MMR vaccine , then we as a society should n't be obligated to treat your malady .
Is that fair ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Alright, but if you get mumps orchitis because you refused to get the MMR vaccine, then we as a society shouldn't be obligated to treat your malady.
Is that fair?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29860005</id>
	<title>Re:The hypocrisy is amazing...</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1256381040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The same people who say that women must have free access to abortion, because they have the right to say what they do with their bodies, are now saying that NYS health care workers don't have the right to say what they do with their bodies with regards to a vaccine?</p></div>
</blockquote><p>Yes, because these people chose to be health workers; there is no way to become on without making a deliberate decision to do so. If you don't like mandatory vaccination, then don't be a health worker.

</p><p>Though I don't really understand the point. If a health worker wants to expose himself without vaccination, let him. With or without vaccination, a sick health care worker should not be working; having him at work while sick because "hey, I'm vaccinated" would be idiotic.</p></div>
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<tokenext>The same people who say that women must have free access to abortion , because they have the right to say what they do with their bodies , are now saying that NYS health care workers do n't have the right to say what they do with their bodies with regards to a vaccine ?
Yes , because these people chose to be health workers ; there is no way to become on without making a deliberate decision to do so .
If you do n't like mandatory vaccination , then do n't be a health worker .
Though I do n't really understand the point .
If a health worker wants to expose himself without vaccination , let him .
With or without vaccination , a sick health care worker should not be working ; having him at work while sick because " hey , I 'm vaccinated " would be idiotic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The same people who say that women must have free access to abortion, because they have the right to say what they do with their bodies, are now saying that NYS health care workers don't have the right to say what they do with their bodies with regards to a vaccine?
Yes, because these people chose to be health workers; there is no way to become on without making a deliberate decision to do so.
If you don't like mandatory vaccination, then don't be a health worker.
Though I don't really understand the point.
If a health worker wants to expose himself without vaccination, let him.
With or without vaccination, a sick health care worker should not be working; having him at work while sick because "hey, I'm vaccinated" would be idiotic.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29859577</id>
	<title>Re:Mandating vaccines...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256378220000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To hell with him getting mumps, what about when <b> <i>I</i> </b> get mumps because idiots who don't understand science made herd immunity meaningless?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To hell with him getting mumps , what about when I get mumps because idiots who do n't understand science made herd immunity meaningless ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To hell with him getting mumps, what about when  I  get mumps because idiots who don't understand science made herd immunity meaningless?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29867355</id>
	<title>This is direct?</title>
	<author>tgibbs</author>
	<datestamp>1256468100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So it's not the health care commissioner, it's his wife. And it's not that <i>she</i> has investments in the company that makes vaccine, but that she has a job with an investment bank that has investments in just about everything, so there must be some pharmaceuticals in there somewhere, right? So maybe requiring health care workers to get vaccinated will increase their sales (which seems unlikely, considering that vaccine manufacturers are not close to meeting the demand, but hey, maybe, right?) which will increase her employer's profits by some tiny fraction, and maybe this will help her by, I don't know, increasing her annual bonus by some tiny fraction. So clearly this is why New York is favoring requiring vaccination for health care workers.</p><p>Of course, if you play this kind of idiotic seven-degrees-of-separation game, you can make almost anybody sound like they have a conflict of interest. But then, the kind of people who are afraid of vaccines believe things that are even crazier...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So it 's not the health care commissioner , it 's his wife .
And it 's not that she has investments in the company that makes vaccine , but that she has a job with an investment bank that has investments in just about everything , so there must be some pharmaceuticals in there somewhere , right ?
So maybe requiring health care workers to get vaccinated will increase their sales ( which seems unlikely , considering that vaccine manufacturers are not close to meeting the demand , but hey , maybe , right ?
) which will increase her employer 's profits by some tiny fraction , and maybe this will help her by , I do n't know , increasing her annual bonus by some tiny fraction .
So clearly this is why New York is favoring requiring vaccination for health care workers.Of course , if you play this kind of idiotic seven-degrees-of-separation game , you can make almost anybody sound like they have a conflict of interest .
But then , the kind of people who are afraid of vaccines believe things that are even crazier.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So it's not the health care commissioner, it's his wife.
And it's not that she has investments in the company that makes vaccine, but that she has a job with an investment bank that has investments in just about everything, so there must be some pharmaceuticals in there somewhere, right?
So maybe requiring health care workers to get vaccinated will increase their sales (which seems unlikely, considering that vaccine manufacturers are not close to meeting the demand, but hey, maybe, right?
) which will increase her employer's profits by some tiny fraction, and maybe this will help her by, I don't know, increasing her annual bonus by some tiny fraction.
So clearly this is why New York is favoring requiring vaccination for health care workers.Of course, if you play this kind of idiotic seven-degrees-of-separation game, you can make almost anybody sound like they have a conflict of interest.
But then, the kind of people who are afraid of vaccines believe things that are even crazier...</sentencetext>
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	<title>retarded anti-vaccine propoganda</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256410860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know how you can put a positive slant on a vaccine article. Go to Africa, or Asia, or South America, or North America and visit people who are suffering from tuberculosis. Sit with mothers who have lost their babies to measles. Watch a child die from whooping cough. Not at all newsworthy, you shithead.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know how you can put a positive slant on a vaccine article .
Go to Africa , or Asia , or South America , or North America and visit people who are suffering from tuberculosis .
Sit with mothers who have lost their babies to measles .
Watch a child die from whooping cough .
Not at all newsworthy , you shithead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know how you can put a positive slant on a vaccine article.
Go to Africa, or Asia, or South America, or North America and visit people who are suffering from tuberculosis.
Sit with mothers who have lost their babies to measles.
Watch a child die from whooping cough.
Not at all newsworthy, you shithead.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29859703</id>
	<title>Emergency pwrs trump the Bill of Rights</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256378940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>guys just to let you know...

Even though the H1N1 pandemic appears to have peaked out, U.S. President Barack Obama has now declared a national emergency over swine flu infections. The reasoning behind such a declaration? According to the White House, it&rsquo;s designed to "allow hospitals to better handle the surge in patients" by allowing them to bypass certain federal laws.

Emergency powers trump the Bill of Rights

That&rsquo;s the public explanation for this, but the real agenda behind this declaration may be far more sinister. Declaring a national emergency immediately gives federal authorities dangerous new powers that can now be enforced at gunpoint, including:

 The power to force mandatory swine flu vaccinations on the entire population.

 The power to arrest, quarantine or "involuntarily transport" anyone who refuses a swine flu vaccination.

 The power to quarantine an entire city and halt all travel in or out of that city.

 The power to enter any home or office without a search warrant and order the destruction of any belongings or structures deemed to be a threat to public health.

 The effective nullification of the Bill of Rights. Your right to due process, to being safe from government search and seizure, and to remain silent to avoid self-incrimination are all null and void under a Presidential declaration of a national emergency.</htmltext>
<tokenext>guys just to let you know.. . Even though the H1N1 pandemic appears to have peaked out , U.S. President Barack Obama has now declared a national emergency over swine flu infections .
The reasoning behind such a declaration ?
According to the White House , it    s designed to " allow hospitals to better handle the surge in patients " by allowing them to bypass certain federal laws .
Emergency powers trump the Bill of Rights That    s the public explanation for this , but the real agenda behind this declaration may be far more sinister .
Declaring a national emergency immediately gives federal authorities dangerous new powers that can now be enforced at gunpoint , including : The power to force mandatory swine flu vaccinations on the entire population .
The power to arrest , quarantine or " involuntarily transport " anyone who refuses a swine flu vaccination .
The power to quarantine an entire city and halt all travel in or out of that city .
The power to enter any home or office without a search warrant and order the destruction of any belongings or structures deemed to be a threat to public health .
The effective nullification of the Bill of Rights .
Your right to due process , to being safe from government search and seizure , and to remain silent to avoid self-incrimination are all null and void under a Presidential declaration of a national emergency .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>guys just to let you know...

Even though the H1N1 pandemic appears to have peaked out, U.S. President Barack Obama has now declared a national emergency over swine flu infections.
The reasoning behind such a declaration?
According to the White House, it’s designed to "allow hospitals to better handle the surge in patients" by allowing them to bypass certain federal laws.
Emergency powers trump the Bill of Rights

That’s the public explanation for this, but the real agenda behind this declaration may be far more sinister.
Declaring a national emergency immediately gives federal authorities dangerous new powers that can now be enforced at gunpoint, including:

 The power to force mandatory swine flu vaccinations on the entire population.
The power to arrest, quarantine or "involuntarily transport" anyone who refuses a swine flu vaccination.
The power to quarantine an entire city and halt all travel in or out of that city.
The power to enter any home or office without a search warrant and order the destruction of any belongings or structures deemed to be a threat to public health.
The effective nullification of the Bill of Rights.
Your right to due process, to being safe from government search and seizure, and to remain silent to avoid self-incrimination are all null and void under a Presidential declaration of a national emergency.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29864823</id>
	<title>Re:Unions are outraged!</title>
	<author>KingAlanI</author>
	<datestamp>1256488500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Baseball bats? Amateur!<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestead\_Strike" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestead\_Strike</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Baseball bats ?
Amateur ! http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestead \ _Strike [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Baseball bats?
Amateur!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestead\_Strike [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29859479</id>
	<title>Re:Mandating vaccines...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256377440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>you dear boy, have been blessed with good health all your life, as some who caught all diseases, even summer colds, I'm telling you, that if I get sick because someone doesn't want to get vaccinated and then coughs in my face, I'm going to cripple him. In kindergarten I got sick because someone didn't vaccinate their kid and brought some disease, 20 years later I'm fucking crippled, tin hat or not you are an idiot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you dear boy , have been blessed with good health all your life , as some who caught all diseases , even summer colds , I 'm telling you , that if I get sick because someone does n't want to get vaccinated and then coughs in my face , I 'm going to cripple him .
In kindergarten I got sick because someone did n't vaccinate their kid and brought some disease , 20 years later I 'm fucking crippled , tin hat or not you are an idiot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you dear boy, have been blessed with good health all your life, as some who caught all diseases, even summer colds, I'm telling you, that if I get sick because someone doesn't want to get vaccinated and then coughs in my face, I'm going to cripple him.
In kindergarten I got sick because someone didn't vaccinate their kid and brought some disease, 20 years later I'm fucking crippled, tin hat or not you are an idiot.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29858985</id>
	<title>BUSTED!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256417220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>H1N1 may indeed be pandemic in NYS, but it's still not as prevalent as corruption.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>H1N1 may indeed be pandemic in NYS , but it 's still not as prevalent as corruption .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>H1N1 may indeed be pandemic in NYS, but it's still not as prevalent as corruption.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29860091</id>
	<title>Re:BUSTED!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256381880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>'Vaccination' is a fraud.</p><p>http://www.whale.to/v/hadwen1.html</p><p>Please feel free to REBUT this talk. I won't hold my breath.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>'Vaccination ' is a fraud.http : //www.whale.to/v/hadwen1.htmlPlease feel free to REBUT this talk .
I wo n't hold my breath .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'Vaccination' is a fraud.http://www.whale.to/v/hadwen1.htmlPlease feel free to REBUT this talk.
I won't hold my breath.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29859983</id>
	<title>Re:Mandating vaccines...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256380860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, check out SOMARK technologies.  An invisible, permanent ink which works as an RFID tag meant for livestock tracking.......</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , check out SOMARK technologies .
An invisible , permanent ink which works as an RFID tag meant for livestock tracking...... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, check out SOMARK technologies.
An invisible, permanent ink which works as an RFID tag meant for livestock tracking.......</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29862345</id>
	<title>There I said it.</title>
	<author>ifeelswine</author>
	<datestamp>1256407200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>I think any healthcare worker who exposes patients to influenza because they refused the vaccine should be jailed.

Nutjob sneezes near a immune compromised individual and it's over, nutjob doesn't even know, they just know that palin would make a great president.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think any healthcare worker who exposes patients to influenza because they refused the vaccine should be jailed .
Nutjob sneezes near a immune compromised individual and it 's over , nutjob does n't even know , they just know that palin would make a great president .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think any healthcare worker who exposes patients to influenza because they refused the vaccine should be jailed.
Nutjob sneezes near a immune compromised individual and it's over, nutjob doesn't even know, they just know that palin would make a great president.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:antivaxxers on slashdot</title>
	<author>Quiet\_Desperation</author>
	<datestamp>1256384040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>However, vaccines against the flu will never even make the smallest dent against the infection (in general).</p></div><p>Is it supposed to? I used to get the damned flu at least once a year until I started regular annual vaccinations. The last straw was the motherfucking Beijing flu that I caught as a healthy, regularly-exercising, eating-right 29 year old. Knocked me flat on my back for ten goddamn days. Fever went over 104.. People said they called and talked to me on the phone- I couldn't even remember that. I probably should have been hospitalized. When I was better I discovered all sorts of bizarre things I did around the house in a delirium.</p><p>Started annual shots the next season. Haven't had the flu since, not even the year they bet on the wrong flu bugs.</p><p>The value of flu shots is avoiding the lost productivity and avoiding the assraping misery the virus can bring. Not everything is about total eradication. People who criticize flu shots have mus not have ever had a bad one.</p><p>The backlash in this dippy county is against science and even just being educated (or "ed-u-ma-cated" for our readers in the evangelical belt who don't cotton to that there fancy book learnin', the Good Book excepted, of course), and it does NOT bode well for us.</p></div>
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<tokenext>However , vaccines against the flu will never even make the smallest dent against the infection ( in general ) .Is it supposed to ?
I used to get the damned flu at least once a year until I started regular annual vaccinations .
The last straw was the motherfucking Beijing flu that I caught as a healthy , regularly-exercising , eating-right 29 year old .
Knocked me flat on my back for ten goddamn days .
Fever went over 104.. People said they called and talked to me on the phone- I could n't even remember that .
I probably should have been hospitalized .
When I was better I discovered all sorts of bizarre things I did around the house in a delirium.Started annual shots the next season .
Have n't had the flu since , not even the year they bet on the wrong flu bugs.The value of flu shots is avoiding the lost productivity and avoiding the assraping misery the virus can bring .
Not everything is about total eradication .
People who criticize flu shots have mus not have ever had a bad one.The backlash in this dippy county is against science and even just being educated ( or " ed-u-ma-cated " for our readers in the evangelical belt who do n't cotton to that there fancy book learnin ' , the Good Book excepted , of course ) , and it does NOT bode well for us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>However, vaccines against the flu will never even make the smallest dent against the infection (in general).Is it supposed to?
I used to get the damned flu at least once a year until I started regular annual vaccinations.
The last straw was the motherfucking Beijing flu that I caught as a healthy, regularly-exercising, eating-right 29 year old.
Knocked me flat on my back for ten goddamn days.
Fever went over 104.. People said they called and talked to me on the phone- I couldn't even remember that.
I probably should have been hospitalized.
When I was better I discovered all sorts of bizarre things I did around the house in a delirium.Started annual shots the next season.
Haven't had the flu since, not even the year they bet on the wrong flu bugs.The value of flu shots is avoiding the lost productivity and avoiding the assraping misery the virus can bring.
Not everything is about total eradication.
People who criticize flu shots have mus not have ever had a bad one.The backlash in this dippy county is against science and even just being educated (or "ed-u-ma-cated" for our readers in the evangelical belt who don't cotton to that there fancy book learnin', the Good Book excepted, of course), and it does NOT bode well for us.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_24_1843226.29859481</id>
	<title>Vaccine Makers Probably Create New Flu Strains</title>
	<author>Bruha</author>
	<datestamp>1256377440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>I would not put it past these companies to create new flu strains and unleash them on the public, knowing sales would be generated.  We've known about this strain since March 2009 and there are shortages of the vaccine so everyone is scrambling to buy it.  One company in 2008 in it's SEC filing (sorry I do not recall it) claimed that they expected a 800\% increase in antiviral sales in 2009 from government stockpiling.</p><p>and here's a gem.</p><p>"That the so-called swine flu was first observed in Mexico just at the same time Nicholas Sarkozy, president of France, was visiting there to announcement the establishment of a new French vaccine plant in Mexico, has to be more than coincidence."  <a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi122.html" title="lewrockwell.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi122.html</a> [lewrockwell.com]</p><p><a href="http://www.opednews.com/articles/Aventis-Vaccine-Factory-in-by-Doreen-Carlson-090519-669.html" title="opednews.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.opednews.com/articles/Aventis-Vaccine-Factory-in-by-Doreen-Carlson-090519-669.html</a> [opednews.com]</p><p>Even our own government has in the past infected it's own population to see how disease spreads.</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United\_States\_biological\_weapons\_program#Experiments\_on\_non-consenting\_individuals" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United\_States\_biological\_weapons\_program#Experiments\_on\_non-consenting\_individuals</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>I'm not one to cook up conspiracy theories, but it's always healthy to question things IMO.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would not put it past these companies to create new flu strains and unleash them on the public , knowing sales would be generated .
We 've known about this strain since March 2009 and there are shortages of the vaccine so everyone is scrambling to buy it .
One company in 2008 in it 's SEC filing ( sorry I do not recall it ) claimed that they expected a 800 \ % increase in antiviral sales in 2009 from government stockpiling.and here 's a gem .
" That the so-called swine flu was first observed in Mexico just at the same time Nicholas Sarkozy , president of France , was visiting there to announcement the establishment of a new French vaccine plant in Mexico , has to be more than coincidence .
" http : //www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi122.html [ lewrockwell.com ] http : //www.opednews.com/articles/Aventis-Vaccine-Factory-in-by-Doreen-Carlson-090519-669.html [ opednews.com ] Even our own government has in the past infected it 's own population to see how disease spreads.http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United \ _States \ _biological \ _weapons \ _program # Experiments \ _on \ _non-consenting \ _individuals [ wikipedia.org ] I 'm not one to cook up conspiracy theories , but it 's always healthy to question things IMO .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would not put it past these companies to create new flu strains and unleash them on the public, knowing sales would be generated.
We've known about this strain since March 2009 and there are shortages of the vaccine so everyone is scrambling to buy it.
One company in 2008 in it's SEC filing (sorry I do not recall it) claimed that they expected a 800\% increase in antiviral sales in 2009 from government stockpiling.and here's a gem.
"That the so-called swine flu was first observed in Mexico just at the same time Nicholas Sarkozy, president of France, was visiting there to announcement the establishment of a new French vaccine plant in Mexico, has to be more than coincidence.
"  http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi122.html [lewrockwell.com]http://www.opednews.com/articles/Aventis-Vaccine-Factory-in-by-Doreen-Carlson-090519-669.html [opednews.com]Even our own government has in the past infected it's own population to see how disease spreads.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United\_States\_biological\_weapons\_program#Experiments\_on\_non-consenting\_individuals [wikipedia.org]I'm not one to cook up conspiracy theories, but it's always healthy to question things IMO.</sentencetext>
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