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	<title>Data Entry Errors Resulted In Improper Sentences</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1256307780000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://shr1k.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">shrik</a> writes <i>"Slate has a look at the efforts of Emily Owens, in 2005 a Ph.D student in economics at the University of Maryland, who 'came across <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2232561/pagenum/all/#p2">thousands of inconsistencies and errors in the sentencing recommendations</a> provided to judges' by the Maryland State Commission on Criminal Sentencing Policy. Quoting: 'The sentencing guidelines for judges were based on a <a href="http://www.msccsp.org/Files/Guidelines/Worksheet\_1.5.pdf">work-sheet</a> [PDF] that "graded the severity of a convict's crime and his risk to society", ostensibly to make the rulings meted out more objective in nature. But on carefully studying her data, Owens noticed something wasn't adding up &mdash; the system seemed to be producing 1 error in every ten trials. She also realized that this "recommendation system" actually mattered: crimes and criminals analyzed to be quite similar were resulting in systematically different punishments correlated with the work-sheet.' The source of these discrepancies was ultimately found to be a simple, but very significant, PEBKAC: 'More than 90 percent of errors resulted from the person completing the work sheet [usually the DA, but signed off by the defense attorney] entering the figure from a cell next to the correct one. ... The remaining errors came mostly from incorrect choice of criminal statute in calculating the offense score and from a handful of math errors (in operations that were literally as simple as adding two plus two).' Timo Elliott's BI Questions Blog lists the <a href="http://timoelliott.com/blog/2009/10/blind-and-incompetent-justice-thanks-to-spreadsheet.html">morals of the story</a>."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>shrik writes " Slate has a look at the efforts of Emily Owens , in 2005 a Ph.D student in economics at the University of Maryland , who 'came across thousands of inconsistencies and errors in the sentencing recommendations provided to judges ' by the Maryland State Commission on Criminal Sentencing Policy .
Quoting : 'The sentencing guidelines for judges were based on a work-sheet [ PDF ] that " graded the severity of a convict 's crime and his risk to society " , ostensibly to make the rulings meted out more objective in nature .
But on carefully studying her data , Owens noticed something was n't adding up    the system seemed to be producing 1 error in every ten trials .
She also realized that this " recommendation system " actually mattered : crimes and criminals analyzed to be quite similar were resulting in systematically different punishments correlated with the work-sheet .
' The source of these discrepancies was ultimately found to be a simple , but very significant , PEBKAC : 'More than 90 percent of errors resulted from the person completing the work sheet [ usually the DA , but signed off by the defense attorney ] entering the figure from a cell next to the correct one .
... The remaining errors came mostly from incorrect choice of criminal statute in calculating the offense score and from a handful of math errors ( in operations that were literally as simple as adding two plus two ) .
' Timo Elliott 's BI Questions Blog lists the morals of the story .
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<sentencetext>shrik writes "Slate has a look at the efforts of Emily Owens, in 2005 a Ph.D student in economics at the University of Maryland, who 'came across thousands of inconsistencies and errors in the sentencing recommendations provided to judges' by the Maryland State Commission on Criminal Sentencing Policy.
Quoting: 'The sentencing guidelines for judges were based on a work-sheet [PDF] that "graded the severity of a convict's crime and his risk to society", ostensibly to make the rulings meted out more objective in nature.
But on carefully studying her data, Owens noticed something wasn't adding up — the system seemed to be producing 1 error in every ten trials.
She also realized that this "recommendation system" actually mattered: crimes and criminals analyzed to be quite similar were resulting in systematically different punishments correlated with the work-sheet.
' The source of these discrepancies was ultimately found to be a simple, but very significant, PEBKAC: 'More than 90 percent of errors resulted from the person completing the work sheet [usually the DA, but signed off by the defense attorney] entering the figure from a cell next to the correct one.
... The remaining errors came mostly from incorrect choice of criminal statute in calculating the offense score and from a handful of math errors (in operations that were literally as simple as adding two plus two).
' Timo Elliott's BI Questions Blog lists the morals of the story.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29848165</id>
	<title>Re:PEBKAC</title>
	<author>JCSoRocks</author>
	<datestamp>1256322420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is true, at least he managed to RTFM.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is true , at least he managed to RTFM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is true, at least he managed to RTFM.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29846489</id>
	<title>Re:PEBKAC</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256315160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Err, the entire POINT of that specific acronym is to 'impede communication'. It was an inside joke made such that an outside user was unlikely to pick up on the fact that it was an insult.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Err , the entire POINT of that specific acronym is to 'impede communication' .
It was an inside joke made such that an outside user was unlikely to pick up on the fact that it was an insult .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Err, the entire POINT of that specific acronym is to 'impede communication'.
It was an inside joke made such that an outside user was unlikely to pick up on the fact that it was an insult.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29846601</id>
	<title>Re:Justice is only available to the rich</title>
	<author>ElectricTurtle</author>
	<datestamp>1256315760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20040508&amp;slug=earl08m" title="nwsource.com">With</a> [nwsource.com] <a href="http://www.allbusiness.com/legal/legal-services-lawyers-public-defenders/11871294-1.html" title="allbusiness.com">noble</a> [allbusiness.com] <a href="http://www.northcountrygazette.org/2007/12/27/ex-washington-county-public-defender-disbarred/#" title="northcountrygazette.org">souls</a> [northcountrygazette.org] <a href="http://pdstuff.apublicdefender.com/2007/04/24/attorney-consents-to-disbarment-for-drug-charges/#" title="apublicdefender.com">like</a> [apublicdefender.com] <a href="http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20040723&amp;slug=romero23m" title="nwsource.com">these</a> [nwsource.com], who needs corruption?</htmltext>
<tokenext>With [ nwsource.com ] noble [ allbusiness.com ] souls [ northcountrygazette.org ] like [ apublicdefender.com ] these [ nwsource.com ] , who needs corruption ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With [nwsource.com] noble [allbusiness.com] souls [northcountrygazette.org] like [apublicdefender.com] these [nwsource.com], who needs corruption?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29846325</id>
	<title>Re:Justice is only available to the rich</title>
	<author>cvd6262</author>
	<datestamp>1256314320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>This is another example of why impartial and fair justice is really only available to the rich.</p></div></blockquote><p>You need to add the stipulation "... in our FUBAR system."</p><p>There are ways to reform it, but short of a revolution, they're not happening.</p></div>
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<tokenext>This is another example of why impartial and fair justice is really only available to the rich.You need to add the stipulation " ... in our FUBAR system .
" There are ways to reform it , but short of a revolution , they 're not happening .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is another example of why impartial and fair justice is really only available to the rich.You need to add the stipulation "... in our FUBAR system.
"There are ways to reform it, but short of a revolution, they're not happening.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29849207</id>
	<title>Re:Justice is only available to the rich</title>
	<author>element-o.p.</author>
	<datestamp>1256326080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Let's assume that the error rate for any given lawyer is 1:100.  Now let's assume that a big-league legal firm working on a high-profile case for a rich/powerful/famous/etc. person dedicates a staff of 10 lawyers to the case.  If any given lawyer will make an error for every 100 details, then the odds of all ten lawyers making the same mistake are pretty slim.  Therefore, the odds of having an error in the sentencing for such a defendant are also pretty slim, right?
<br> <br>
Now, look at the opposite case.  Rather than having ten lawyers scrutinizing every detail for the rich, powerful, blah-blah-blah defendant, you have one public defender scrutinizing details for <i>ten</i> impoverished clients.  The public defender's workload is <i>one hundred times greater</i> (ten defendants vs. one defendant X one lawyer looking over all the details vs. ten lawyers).  Consequently, the odds of him (or her) making an error that doesn't get caught is significantly greater.
<br> <br>
It's not that a public defender is incapable of detecting the errors; it's that in a high-workload environment, people tend not to notice discrepancies as easily.  Of course, IANAL nor have I ever worked in a legal office, so the above hypothetical situation may be complete bunk...but I doubt it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's assume that the error rate for any given lawyer is 1 : 100 .
Now let 's assume that a big-league legal firm working on a high-profile case for a rich/powerful/famous/etc .
person dedicates a staff of 10 lawyers to the case .
If any given lawyer will make an error for every 100 details , then the odds of all ten lawyers making the same mistake are pretty slim .
Therefore , the odds of having an error in the sentencing for such a defendant are also pretty slim , right ?
Now , look at the opposite case .
Rather than having ten lawyers scrutinizing every detail for the rich , powerful , blah-blah-blah defendant , you have one public defender scrutinizing details for ten impoverished clients .
The public defender 's workload is one hundred times greater ( ten defendants vs. one defendant X one lawyer looking over all the details vs. ten lawyers ) .
Consequently , the odds of him ( or her ) making an error that does n't get caught is significantly greater .
It 's not that a public defender is incapable of detecting the errors ; it 's that in a high-workload environment , people tend not to notice discrepancies as easily .
Of course , IANAL nor have I ever worked in a legal office , so the above hypothetical situation may be complete bunk...but I doubt it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's assume that the error rate for any given lawyer is 1:100.
Now let's assume that a big-league legal firm working on a high-profile case for a rich/powerful/famous/etc.
person dedicates a staff of 10 lawyers to the case.
If any given lawyer will make an error for every 100 details, then the odds of all ten lawyers making the same mistake are pretty slim.
Therefore, the odds of having an error in the sentencing for such a defendant are also pretty slim, right?
Now, look at the opposite case.
Rather than having ten lawyers scrutinizing every detail for the rich, powerful, blah-blah-blah defendant, you have one public defender scrutinizing details for ten impoverished clients.
The public defender's workload is one hundred times greater (ten defendants vs. one defendant X one lawyer looking over all the details vs. ten lawyers).
Consequently, the odds of him (or her) making an error that doesn't get caught is significantly greater.
It's not that a public defender is incapable of detecting the errors; it's that in a high-workload environment, people tend not to notice discrepancies as easily.
Of course, IANAL nor have I ever worked in a legal office, so the above hypothetical situation may be complete bunk...but I doubt it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29848937</id>
	<title>Re:PEBKAC</title>
	<author>Arthur Grumbine</author>
	<datestamp>1256325000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>JFGI solves many issues related to the understanding of unknown acronyms. And has the advantage of being potentially humorous the first time one experiences it. I'm glad to hear it solved your problem.</htmltext>
<tokenext>JFGI solves many issues related to the understanding of unknown acronyms .
And has the advantage of being potentially humorous the first time one experiences it .
I 'm glad to hear it solved your problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>JFGI solves many issues related to the understanding of unknown acronyms.
And has the advantage of being potentially humorous the first time one experiences it.
I'm glad to hear it solved your problem.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29846297</id>
	<title>Re:Justice is only available to the rich</title>
	<author>benwiggy</author>
	<datestamp>1256314140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you suggesting that reading the correct cell from a spreadsheet table is a level "detailed scrutiny", which public defenders are incapable of?</p><p>As a lawyer has posted above, it is malpractice not to check this.</p><p>Whilst I agree that justice is what you pay for it, this isn't a great example.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you suggesting that reading the correct cell from a spreadsheet table is a level " detailed scrutiny " , which public defenders are incapable of ? As a lawyer has posted above , it is malpractice not to check this.Whilst I agree that justice is what you pay for it , this is n't a great example .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you suggesting that reading the correct cell from a spreadsheet table is a level "detailed scrutiny", which public defenders are incapable of?As a lawyer has posted above, it is malpractice not to check this.Whilst I agree that justice is what you pay for it, this isn't a great example.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29846595</id>
	<title>Re:Legal Malpractice</title>
	<author>DragonWriter</author>
	<datestamp>1256315700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>That's great! So, where do I bring this up? What happens to the lawyers who make these mistakes?</p></div></blockquote><p>They get sued for malpractice. Or someone files a complaint with the State Bar. Or both.</p></div>
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<tokenext>That 's great !
So , where do I bring this up ?
What happens to the lawyers who make these mistakes ? They get sued for malpractice .
Or someone files a complaint with the State Bar .
Or both .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's great!
So, where do I bring this up?
What happens to the lawyers who make these mistakes?They get sued for malpractice.
Or someone files a complaint with the State Bar.
Or both.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29846263</id>
	<title>legal analysts too stupid for number crunching?</title>
	<author>kj\_kabaje</author>
	<datestamp>1256313960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This isn't hard core number crunching or anything, but why does it take an econ PhD to figure out something's wrong with the criminal justice system?</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is n't hard core number crunching or anything , but why does it take an econ PhD to figure out something 's wrong with the criminal justice system ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This isn't hard core number crunching or anything, but why does it take an econ PhD to figure out something's wrong with the criminal justice system?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29847155</id>
	<title>I have to admit</title>
	<author>FatdogHaiku</author>
	<datestamp>1256318580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>When I read the headline "Data Entry Errors Resulted In Improper Sentences" the first thing that sprang to mind was to append "and sometimes piss poor paragraphs as well."<br> <br>What I find interesting about TFA is the section on parole boards correcting the mistakes if the error shortened a sentence <i>"So parole boards proved very effective in reversing errors that would have led to shortened prison time; much less so for undeserved extra time."</i> So, if your sentence was too long they really did nothing above and beyond what they did for most all sentences, but if it was too short they caught it and corrected it to some degree.<br> <br>Now I have to wonder if there are a bunch of lawyers getting revved up to sue on behalf of the people that had to stay in jail longer than the recommended amount of time. I'm pretty sure you can't sue a judge, but the fact that the parole board had corrective power and did not use it properly would seem to be something that would draw the sharks...</htmltext>
<tokenext>When I read the headline " Data Entry Errors Resulted In Improper Sentences " the first thing that sprang to mind was to append " and sometimes piss poor paragraphs as well .
" What I find interesting about TFA is the section on parole boards correcting the mistakes if the error shortened a sentence " So parole boards proved very effective in reversing errors that would have led to shortened prison time ; much less so for undeserved extra time .
" So , if your sentence was too long they really did nothing above and beyond what they did for most all sentences , but if it was too short they caught it and corrected it to some degree .
Now I have to wonder if there are a bunch of lawyers getting revved up to sue on behalf of the people that had to stay in jail longer than the recommended amount of time .
I 'm pretty sure you ca n't sue a judge , but the fact that the parole board had corrective power and did not use it properly would seem to be something that would draw the sharks.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I read the headline "Data Entry Errors Resulted In Improper Sentences" the first thing that sprang to mind was to append "and sometimes piss poor paragraphs as well.
" What I find interesting about TFA is the section on parole boards correcting the mistakes if the error shortened a sentence "So parole boards proved very effective in reversing errors that would have led to shortened prison time; much less so for undeserved extra time.
" So, if your sentence was too long they really did nothing above and beyond what they did for most all sentences, but if it was too short they caught it and corrected it to some degree.
Now I have to wonder if there are a bunch of lawyers getting revved up to sue on behalf of the people that had to stay in jail longer than the recommended amount of time.
I'm pretty sure you can't sue a judge, but the fact that the parole board had corrective power and did not use it properly would seem to be something that would draw the sharks...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29846243</id>
	<title>Re:Legal Malpractice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256313780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Holy sh!t.  So 1 of every 10 cases in Maryland should result in malpractice suit?  That's a stunningly low quality of lawyers in this PhD's sample.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Holy sh ! t .
So 1 of every 10 cases in Maryland should result in malpractice suit ?
That 's a stunningly low quality of lawyers in this PhD 's sample .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Holy sh!t.
So 1 of every 10 cases in Maryland should result in malpractice suit?
That's a stunningly low quality of lawyers in this PhD's sample.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29846301</id>
	<title>Re:Legal Malpractice</title>
	<author>cvd6262</author>
	<datestamp>1256314140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>IAAL and it is legal malpractice to not double-check the prosecution's sentencing algorithm and recommendations to the judge<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div></blockquote><p>That's great! So, where do I bring this up? What happens to the lawyers who make these mistakes?</p><p>I'm not being snarky; I sincerely  wish to know.</p><p>When I moved to the East Coast I found it odd that I needed a lawyer to buy a house. I had bought and sold out West on a handshake and a contract. I was told that out here, where property has been bought and sold for centuries, the lawyers would check deeds, get the property surveyed, etc. OK, I got that.</p><p>But what happens if in ten years, somebody's great grandson comes by with a deed on the northern half of my land? Do I get my lawyer fees back?</p><p>Similarly, a family member of mine just settled on her divorce. When it came time to sign the papers, her ex acted shocked at the agreement. His laywer said, "You can't blame him. He just didn't understand the terms." So, then, can we blame the laywer who was supposed to explain it to him?</p><p>Coming back to the topic here: So the defense attorney screwed up. 1) What are the paths of recourse for those who suffered from the mistake? 2) What are the consequences to the lawyer who screwed up?</p><p>Because, in my dealing with lawyers, they almost never get called out on their mistakes.</p></div>
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<tokenext>IAAL and it is legal malpractice to not double-check the prosecution 's sentencing algorithm and recommendations to the judge ...That 's great !
So , where do I bring this up ?
What happens to the lawyers who make these mistakes ? I 'm not being snarky ; I sincerely wish to know.When I moved to the East Coast I found it odd that I needed a lawyer to buy a house .
I had bought and sold out West on a handshake and a contract .
I was told that out here , where property has been bought and sold for centuries , the lawyers would check deeds , get the property surveyed , etc .
OK , I got that.But what happens if in ten years , somebody 's great grandson comes by with a deed on the northern half of my land ?
Do I get my lawyer fees back ? Similarly , a family member of mine just settled on her divorce .
When it came time to sign the papers , her ex acted shocked at the agreement .
His laywer said , " You ca n't blame him .
He just did n't understand the terms .
" So , then , can we blame the laywer who was supposed to explain it to him ? Coming back to the topic here : So the defense attorney screwed up .
1 ) What are the paths of recourse for those who suffered from the mistake ?
2 ) What are the consequences to the lawyer who screwed up ? Because , in my dealing with lawyers , they almost never get called out on their mistakes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IAAL and it is legal malpractice to not double-check the prosecution's sentencing algorithm and recommendations to the judge ...That's great!
So, where do I bring this up?
What happens to the lawyers who make these mistakes?I'm not being snarky; I sincerely  wish to know.When I moved to the East Coast I found it odd that I needed a lawyer to buy a house.
I had bought and sold out West on a handshake and a contract.
I was told that out here, where property has been bought and sold for centuries, the lawyers would check deeds, get the property surveyed, etc.
OK, I got that.But what happens if in ten years, somebody's great grandson comes by with a deed on the northern half of my land?
Do I get my lawyer fees back?Similarly, a family member of mine just settled on her divorce.
When it came time to sign the papers, her ex acted shocked at the agreement.
His laywer said, "You can't blame him.
He just didn't understand the terms.
" So, then, can we blame the laywer who was supposed to explain it to him?Coming back to the topic here: So the defense attorney screwed up.
1) What are the paths of recourse for those who suffered from the mistake?
2) What are the consequences to the lawyer who screwed up?Because, in my dealing with lawyers, they almost never get called out on their mistakes.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29850787</id>
	<title>Re:Legal Malpractice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256289000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One of my teachers ages ago told us a story:</p><p>He bought a restaurant, and it turned out there was a lien against it.<br>The police came in guns blazing and took the property and everything in it from them.<br>They pointer a gun at his wife when she tried to keep the mini fridge they had brought in.<br>In the end the Lawyer asked my teacher how much money would make this problem go away, since the lawyer would certainly be disbarred for his mistake.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One of my teachers ages ago told us a story : He bought a restaurant , and it turned out there was a lien against it.The police came in guns blazing and took the property and everything in it from them.They pointer a gun at his wife when she tried to keep the mini fridge they had brought in.In the end the Lawyer asked my teacher how much money would make this problem go away , since the lawyer would certainly be disbarred for his mistake .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of my teachers ages ago told us a story:He bought a restaurant, and it turned out there was a lien against it.The police came in guns blazing and took the property and everything in it from them.They pointer a gun at his wife when she tried to keep the mini fridge they had brought in.In the end the Lawyer asked my teacher how much money would make this problem go away, since the lawyer would certainly be disbarred for his mistake.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29847569</id>
	<title>Wrong title article for this</title>
	<author>ZipK</author>
	<datestamp>1256320380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Shouldn't this article have been titled "Data Errors Entry Resulted In Sentences Improper"?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Should n't this article have been titled " Data Errors Entry Resulted In Sentences Improper " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Shouldn't this article have been titled "Data Errors Entry Resulted In Sentences Improper"?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29845909</id>
	<title>Wait...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256311920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought grammar errors resulted in improper sentences.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought grammar errors resulted in improper sentences .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought grammar errors resulted in improper sentences.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29846559</id>
	<title>Re:PEBKAC</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256315460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've always seen this before referred to as a PICNIC error...</p><p>Problem in chair not in computer...</p><p>PICNIC trips of the tongue a bit more easily than PEBKAC...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've always seen this before referred to as a PICNIC error...Problem in chair not in computer...PICNIC trips of the tongue a bit more easily than PEBKAC.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've always seen this before referred to as a PICNIC error...Problem in chair not in computer...PICNIC trips of the tongue a bit more easily than PEBKAC...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29845907</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29846717</id>
	<title>Re:PEBKAC</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256316360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hate when people use that acronym.  Thankfully it's not used often any more.  Every time I see it, it takes me several seconds to parse it and remember what it means.  It would be easier to just write out the damn words.</p><p>It's a holdover acronym from back in the day when USENET was a popular discussion forum.  Nobody with half a brain uses it these days.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hate when people use that acronym .
Thankfully it 's not used often any more .
Every time I see it , it takes me several seconds to parse it and remember what it means .
It would be easier to just write out the damn words.It 's a holdover acronym from back in the day when USENET was a popular discussion forum .
Nobody with half a brain uses it these days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hate when people use that acronym.
Thankfully it's not used often any more.
Every time I see it, it takes me several seconds to parse it and remember what it means.
It would be easier to just write out the damn words.It's a holdover acronym from back in the day when USENET was a popular discussion forum.
Nobody with half a brain uses it these days.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29845907</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29847611</id>
	<title>Re:PEBKAC</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256320560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>PEBKAC is an acronym which stands for "Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair".  The phrase is used by computer experts as a humorous way to describe user errors. In 2006, Intel began running a number of PEBKAC web-based advertisements to promote its vPro platform.</p><p>Wikipedia is your friend.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>PEBKAC is an acronym which stands for " Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair " .
The phrase is used by computer experts as a humorous way to describe user errors .
In 2006 , Intel began running a number of PEBKAC web-based advertisements to promote its vPro platform.Wikipedia is your friend .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>PEBKAC is an acronym which stands for "Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair".
The phrase is used by computer experts as a humorous way to describe user errors.
In 2006, Intel began running a number of PEBKAC web-based advertisements to promote its vPro platform.Wikipedia is your friend.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29846357</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29845829</id>
	<title>isn't that why we have judges</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256311620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Isn't the reason we have judges because no algorithm is perfect?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't the reason we have judges because no algorithm is perfect ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't the reason we have judges because no algorithm is perfect?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29848269</id>
	<title>locked spreadsheet?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256322780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not a programer, nor have I ever built a databse, but even I've heard of locking a spreadsheet to make sure the right cells are filled in.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not a programer , nor have I ever built a databse , but even I 've heard of locking a spreadsheet to make sure the right cells are filled in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not a programer, nor have I ever built a databse, but even I've heard of locking a spreadsheet to make sure the right cells are filled in.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29846251</id>
	<title>Re:PEBKAC</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256313840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree. When someone uses an acronym that actually impedes communication, they've missed the point.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree .
When someone uses an acronym that actually impedes communication , they 've missed the point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree.
When someone uses an acronym that actually impedes communication, they've missed the point.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29845907</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29846169</id>
	<title>Re:PEBKAC</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256313480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I didn't know what it meant to turn in one's geek card, but I googled it.  I also didn't know which bathroom to use at Outback Steakhouse.  I also didn't know to spit out my gum before falling asleep.  I didn't know the twist from The Crying Game.  At one point I didn't even know my own name.  At no point did I announce these personal revelations to the world - we didn't have twitter yet.</p><p>It's called "learning".  Welcome to the club.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I did n't know what it meant to turn in one 's geek card , but I googled it .
I also did n't know which bathroom to use at Outback Steakhouse .
I also did n't know to spit out my gum before falling asleep .
I did n't know the twist from The Crying Game .
At one point I did n't even know my own name .
At no point did I announce these personal revelations to the world - we did n't have twitter yet.It 's called " learning " .
Welcome to the club .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I didn't know what it meant to turn in one's geek card, but I googled it.
I also didn't know which bathroom to use at Outback Steakhouse.
I also didn't know to spit out my gum before falling asleep.
I didn't know the twist from The Crying Game.
At one point I didn't even know my own name.
At no point did I announce these personal revelations to the world - we didn't have twitter yet.It's called "learning".
Welcome to the club.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29845907</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29850549</id>
	<title>Re:Rough math</title>
	<author>Idarubicin</author>
	<datestamp>1256331240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...or short lifetimes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...or short lifetimes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...or short lifetimes.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29846247</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29846359</id>
	<title>Just goes to show</title>
	<author>AP31R0N</author>
	<datestamp>1256314500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Spell and grammar check aren't enough to ensure proper sentences.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Spell and grammar check are n't enough to ensure proper sentences .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Spell and grammar check aren't enough to ensure proper sentences.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29845907</id>
	<title>PEBKAC</title>
	<author>soundhack</author>
	<datestamp>1256311860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow, I have to turn in my geek card, I didn't know what this meant until I googled it.</p><p>Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , I have to turn in my geek card , I did n't know what this meant until I googled it.Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, I have to turn in my geek card, I didn't know what this meant until I googled it.Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29845983</id>
	<title>Re:isn't that why we have judges</title>
	<author>Fished</author>
	<datestamp>1256312280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In fairness to the judges, they did reduce each month of recommended additional sentence to just four days.  It would be interesting to see whether that was made up of a lot of judges who struck a middle ground between the recommendation and what their "judicial intuition" told them, or 1/10 judges who just didn't care and took whatever the recommendations said.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In fairness to the judges , they did reduce each month of recommended additional sentence to just four days .
It would be interesting to see whether that was made up of a lot of judges who struck a middle ground between the recommendation and what their " judicial intuition " told them , or 1/10 judges who just did n't care and took whatever the recommendations said .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In fairness to the judges, they did reduce each month of recommended additional sentence to just four days.
It would be interesting to see whether that was made up of a lot of judges who struck a middle ground between the recommendation and what their "judicial intuition" told them, or 1/10 judges who just didn't care and took whatever the recommendations said.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29845829</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29846669</id>
	<title>Re:Legal Malpractice</title>
	<author>MBGMorden</author>
	<datestamp>1256316180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>But what happens if in ten years, somebody's great grandson comes by with a deed on the northern half of my land? Do I get my lawyer fees back?</p></div><p>Basically, strange things happen.  I work in a county government where we handle property tax billing, and essentially the situation you describe results in a disputed property record being created.</p><p>Generally we have parcel ID numbers to distinguish unique tracks of land. These are 10 digit numbers.  When a piece of land becomes disputed though a letter will be added behind - so 1001003832A and 1001003832B for example.  These are physically the same pieces of land that will be listed under the original ownership and the disputed ownership.  Legally, until something changes, BOTH parties own the land.  Both are charged property taxes, and if either fails to pay then they forfeit their stake in the land to the county (which interestingly enough, can then be auctioned at the tax sale as a stake in the land even though there is already another owner).</p><p>What USUALLY happens is that one or the other owner will either cave and sell their share to the other owner, resulting in a single ownership again, or one of them will just eventually stop paying the taxes and the current owner will purchase back that stake in the land at auction (since the fact that the propery is disputed will hamper the auction value a lot anyways).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But what happens if in ten years , somebody 's great grandson comes by with a deed on the northern half of my land ?
Do I get my lawyer fees back ? Basically , strange things happen .
I work in a county government where we handle property tax billing , and essentially the situation you describe results in a disputed property record being created.Generally we have parcel ID numbers to distinguish unique tracks of land .
These are 10 digit numbers .
When a piece of land becomes disputed though a letter will be added behind - so 1001003832A and 1001003832B for example .
These are physically the same pieces of land that will be listed under the original ownership and the disputed ownership .
Legally , until something changes , BOTH parties own the land .
Both are charged property taxes , and if either fails to pay then they forfeit their stake in the land to the county ( which interestingly enough , can then be auctioned at the tax sale as a stake in the land even though there is already another owner ) .What USUALLY happens is that one or the other owner will either cave and sell their share to the other owner , resulting in a single ownership again , or one of them will just eventually stop paying the taxes and the current owner will purchase back that stake in the land at auction ( since the fact that the propery is disputed will hamper the auction value a lot anyways ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But what happens if in ten years, somebody's great grandson comes by with a deed on the northern half of my land?
Do I get my lawyer fees back?Basically, strange things happen.
I work in a county government where we handle property tax billing, and essentially the situation you describe results in a disputed property record being created.Generally we have parcel ID numbers to distinguish unique tracks of land.
These are 10 digit numbers.
When a piece of land becomes disputed though a letter will be added behind - so 1001003832A and 1001003832B for example.
These are physically the same pieces of land that will be listed under the original ownership and the disputed ownership.
Legally, until something changes, BOTH parties own the land.
Both are charged property taxes, and if either fails to pay then they forfeit their stake in the land to the county (which interestingly enough, can then be auctioned at the tax sale as a stake in the land even though there is already another owner).What USUALLY happens is that one or the other owner will either cave and sell their share to the other owner, resulting in a single ownership again, or one of them will just eventually stop paying the taxes and the current owner will purchase back that stake in the land at auction (since the fact that the propery is disputed will hamper the auction value a lot anyways).
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29846301</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29847043</id>
	<title>Explains Texas....</title>
	<author>Ritz\_Just\_Ritz</author>
	<datestamp>1256318100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The spreadsheet cell for sentencing recommendations for jaywalking is next to the one for murder 1.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The spreadsheet cell for sentencing recommendations for jaywalking is next to the one for murder 1 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The spreadsheet cell for sentencing recommendations for jaywalking is next to the one for murder 1.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29845845</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29852801</id>
	<title>Re:Whoops</title>
	<author>BikeHelmet</author>
	<datestamp>1256300220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Web 2.0 forms don't make such mistakes!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Web 2.0 forms do n't make such mistakes !
: P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Web 2.0 forms don't make such mistakes!
:P</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29845845</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29848847</id>
	<title>On top of...</title>
	<author>Akoman</author>
	<datestamp>1256324760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is an interesting stat when combined with a piece in the Journal of Forensic Identification which stated that 1/5 people were sentenced based on inadequate or manufactured evidence. At the time I read that there were 2 million people in the US prison system. Therefore are 400,000 people in prison who shouldn't be, according to this article, another 160,000 who are in prison for longer than they should be (some intersection with the previous group) and thats from a system that is trying to be more 'objective' and not mete out race or class justice. In places without 'objective' scoring I wonder how many over-long sentences there really are.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is an interesting stat when combined with a piece in the Journal of Forensic Identification which stated that 1/5 people were sentenced based on inadequate or manufactured evidence .
At the time I read that there were 2 million people in the US prison system .
Therefore are 400,000 people in prison who should n't be , according to this article , another 160,000 who are in prison for longer than they should be ( some intersection with the previous group ) and thats from a system that is trying to be more 'objective ' and not mete out race or class justice .
In places without 'objective ' scoring I wonder how many over-long sentences there really are .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is an interesting stat when combined with a piece in the Journal of Forensic Identification which stated that 1/5 people were sentenced based on inadequate or manufactured evidence.
At the time I read that there were 2 million people in the US prison system.
Therefore are 400,000 people in prison who shouldn't be, according to this article, another 160,000 who are in prison for longer than they should be (some intersection with the previous group) and thats from a system that is trying to be more 'objective' and not mete out race or class justice.
In places without 'objective' scoring I wonder how many over-long sentences there really are.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29847015</id>
	<title>Re:isn't that why we have judges</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256317920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Error in <i>data entry</i> != error in algorithm. <br>In fact, TFS does not even mention any <i>algorithm</i>.<br> <br>But I can understand your desire to get first post. And you can't bother to read TFS if you want to get first post, can you?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Error in data entry ! = error in algorithm .
In fact , TFS does not even mention any algorithm .
But I can understand your desire to get first post .
And you ca n't bother to read TFS if you want to get first post , can you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Error in data entry != error in algorithm.
In fact, TFS does not even mention any algorithm.
But I can understand your desire to get first post.
And you can't bother to read TFS if you want to get first post, can you?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29845829</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29847023</id>
	<title>"morals of the story"</title>
	<author>Permutation Citizen</author>
	<datestamp>1256317980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is it me ? I expected that the moral of the story is that you can't rely on an algorithm to choose a sentence in a criminal case.</p><p>Problem is not data wrongly entered or math errors. Problem is willing to apply those kind of formula. This is just absurd.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it me ?
I expected that the moral of the story is that you ca n't rely on an algorithm to choose a sentence in a criminal case.Problem is not data wrongly entered or math errors .
Problem is willing to apply those kind of formula .
This is just absurd .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it me ?
I expected that the moral of the story is that you can't rely on an algorithm to choose a sentence in a criminal case.Problem is not data wrongly entered or math errors.
Problem is willing to apply those kind of formula.
This is just absurd.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29845929</id>
	<title>Legal Malpractice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256312040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>IAAL and it is legal malpractice to not double-check the prosecution's sentencing algorithm and recommendations to the judge<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</htmltext>
<tokenext>IAAL and it is legal malpractice to not double-check the prosecution 's sentencing algorithm and recommendations to the judge .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IAAL and it is legal malpractice to not double-check the prosecution's sentencing algorithm and recommendations to the judge ...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29846357</id>
	<title>Re:PEBKAC</title>
	<author>wastedlife</author>
	<datestamp>1256314500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I vote you can keep your geek card, because you googled it. If you had just posted "PEBKAC, what the fuck does that mean?! Damn kids and their txt speak", we would kindly ask you to hand in your geek card and resume lawn-guarding duties.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I vote you can keep your geek card , because you googled it .
If you had just posted " PEBKAC , what the fuck does that mean ? !
Damn kids and their txt speak " , we would kindly ask you to hand in your geek card and resume lawn-guarding duties .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I vote you can keep your geek card, because you googled it.
If you had just posted "PEBKAC, what the fuck does that mean?!
Damn kids and their txt speak", we would kindly ask you to hand in your geek card and resume lawn-guarding duties.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29845907</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29845873</id>
	<title>Garbage in...</title>
	<author>Hognoxious</author>
	<datestamp>1256311740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>... garbage out.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... garbage out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... garbage out.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29846577</id>
	<title>For additional crimes</title>
	<author>stkpogo</author>
	<datestamp>1256315640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Crime never adds up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Crime never adds up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Crime never adds up.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29845935</id>
	<title>What</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256312040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What talking about you are?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What talking about you are ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What talking about you are?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29849619</id>
	<title>Re:Rough math</title>
	<author>FishOuttaWater</author>
	<datestamp>1256327640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>All depends on the units and the constants man: 2 murders - life. 2 stolen TVs - not so much.</htmltext>
<tokenext>All depends on the units and the constants man : 2 murders - life .
2 stolen TVs - not so much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All depends on the units and the constants man: 2 murders - life.
2 stolen TVs - not so much.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29846201</id>
	<title>Oh the irony we'll have</title>
	<author>musselm</author>
	<datestamp>1256313600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FTA:  "The problem? And all too-common problem with anything to do with information and analysis: human error."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FTA : " The problem ?
And all too-common problem with anything to do with information and analysis : human error .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FTA:  "The problem?
And all too-common problem with anything to do with information and analysis: human error.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29847261</id>
	<title>Re:Rough math</title>
	<author>Tarsir</author>
	<datestamp>1256319060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And very small values of life =/</htmltext>
<tokenext>And very small values of life = /</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And very small values of life =/</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29848075</id>
	<title>Re:Legal Malpractice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256322120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know that on my house the attorney specifically said he was required by law to carry malpractice insurance of at least half a million dollars an incident.  Additionally, we were required to sign a piece of paper indicating if we wished to purchase insurance such that if something was done improperly this insurance would pay the attorney fees up front as an effort to ensure we could sue if appropriate.  As a buyer the insurance was only $30.  The problem:  to buy the insurance you had to sign the piece of paper and give the check to the attorney.  He found that a real problem since either we believed he was obeying the law and carrying the malpractice insurance which would cover it, or he was a liar and why would we trust him with our money and form.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know that on my house the attorney specifically said he was required by law to carry malpractice insurance of at least half a million dollars an incident .
Additionally , we were required to sign a piece of paper indicating if we wished to purchase insurance such that if something was done improperly this insurance would pay the attorney fees up front as an effort to ensure we could sue if appropriate .
As a buyer the insurance was only $ 30 .
The problem : to buy the insurance you had to sign the piece of paper and give the check to the attorney .
He found that a real problem since either we believed he was obeying the law and carrying the malpractice insurance which would cover it , or he was a liar and why would we trust him with our money and form .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know that on my house the attorney specifically said he was required by law to carry malpractice insurance of at least half a million dollars an incident.
Additionally, we were required to sign a piece of paper indicating if we wished to purchase insurance such that if something was done improperly this insurance would pay the attorney fees up front as an effort to ensure we could sue if appropriate.
As a buyer the insurance was only $30.
The problem:  to buy the insurance you had to sign the piece of paper and give the check to the attorney.
He found that a real problem since either we believed he was obeying the law and carrying the malpractice insurance which would cover it, or he was a liar and why would we trust him with our money and form.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29846331</id>
	<title>Re:Legal Malpractice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256314380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This was in 2005. It's now late 2009. I have to wonder how long this has really been going on, and seriously doubt that this sort of thing is restricted to Maryland.</p><p>I'm not sure disbarment, or even jail time would do justice for the lawyers, D.A's. judges, and clerical staff that allowed this negligence to flow through.</p><p>Violation of Due Process anyone?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This was in 2005 .
It 's now late 2009 .
I have to wonder how long this has really been going on , and seriously doubt that this sort of thing is restricted to Maryland.I 'm not sure disbarment , or even jail time would do justice for the lawyers , D.A 's .
judges , and clerical staff that allowed this negligence to flow through.Violation of Due Process anyone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This was in 2005.
It's now late 2009.
I have to wonder how long this has really been going on, and seriously doubt that this sort of thing is restricted to Maryland.I'm not sure disbarment, or even jail time would do justice for the lawyers, D.A's.
judges, and clerical staff that allowed this negligence to flow through.Violation of Due Process anyone?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29845943</id>
	<title>PEBKAC</title>
	<author>zippthorne</author>
	<datestamp>1256312100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem with a PEBKAC diagnosis is that even when you replace the offending filter, you're still taking input from a chair...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem with a PEBKAC diagnosis is that even when you replace the offending filter , you 're still taking input from a chair.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem with a PEBKAC diagnosis is that even when you replace the offending filter, you're still taking input from a chair...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29848731</id>
	<title>Re:Legal Malpractice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256324400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I work in a county government where we handle property tax billing... Generally we have parcel ID numbers to distinguish unique <b>tracks</b> of land</i></p><p>You mean the railroad is disputing ownership of a particulat tract of land? Sorry, but your misspelling of that single word makes one think that maybe you <b>don't</b> handle anything remotely related to property. They're tracts of land, not tracks of land.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I work in a county government where we handle property tax billing... Generally we have parcel ID numbers to distinguish unique tracks of landYou mean the railroad is disputing ownership of a particulat tract of land ?
Sorry , but your misspelling of that single word makes one think that maybe you do n't handle anything remotely related to property .
They 're tracts of land , not tracks of land .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work in a county government where we handle property tax billing... Generally we have parcel ID numbers to distinguish unique tracks of landYou mean the railroad is disputing ownership of a particulat tract of land?
Sorry, but your misspelling of that single word makes one think that maybe you don't handle anything remotely related to property.
They're tracts of land, not tracks of land.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29846247</id>
	<title>Rough math</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256313840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>2 + 2 = life sentence</p><p>(for very large values of 2)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>2 + 2 = life sentence ( for very large values of 2 )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>2 + 2 = life sentence(for very large values of 2)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29845845</id>
	<title>Whoops</title>
	<author>Useful Wheat</author>
	<datestamp>1256311620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I always knew using microsoft excel would damn your soul to hell, but I didn't know it could also send you to jail as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I always knew using microsoft excel would damn your soul to hell , but I did n't know it could also send you to jail as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I always knew using microsoft excel would damn your soul to hell, but I didn't know it could also send you to jail as well.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29846295</id>
	<title>Re:PEBKAC</title>
	<author>Captain Spam</author>
	<datestamp>1256314140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The problem with a PEBKAC diagnosis is that even when you replace the offending filter, you're still taking input from a chair...</p></div><p>Ah, but the chair is less likely to give you faulty data, isn't it?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem with a PEBKAC diagnosis is that even when you replace the offending filter , you 're still taking input from a chair...Ah , but the chair is less likely to give you faulty data , is n't it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem with a PEBKAC diagnosis is that even when you replace the offending filter, you're still taking input from a chair...Ah, but the chair is less likely to give you faulty data, isn't it?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29846549</id>
	<title>Ooops... must be an "entry error"...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256315460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah right...!</p><p>More like "getting paid for nudging sentences in the 'right direction'" 'errors'.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah right... ! More like " getting paid for nudging sentences in the 'right direction ' " 'errors' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah right...!More like "getting paid for nudging sentences in the 'right direction'" 'errors'.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29848901</id>
	<title>Re:Legal Malpractice</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1256324880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Because, in my dealing with lawyers, they almost never get called out on their mistakes.</i></p><p>There are articles in the newspaper every month about lawyers being sanctioned, which actually illustrates your point. If it were common, it woudn't be news.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because , in my dealing with lawyers , they almost never get called out on their mistakes.There are articles in the newspaper every month about lawyers being sanctioned , which actually illustrates your point .
If it were common , it woud n't be news .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because, in my dealing with lawyers, they almost never get called out on their mistakes.There are articles in the newspaper every month about lawyers being sanctioned, which actually illustrates your point.
If it were common, it woudn't be news.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29851301</id>
	<title>Re:Legal Malpractice</title>
	<author>Kaenneth</author>
	<datestamp>1256290920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>IAAL and it is legal malpractice to not double-check the prosecution's sentencing algorithm and recommendations to the judge<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div><p>That's assuming the error is not in their clients favor...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>IAAL and it is legal malpractice to not double-check the prosecution 's sentencing algorithm and recommendations to the judge ...That 's assuming the error is not in their clients favor.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IAAL and it is legal malpractice to not double-check the prosecution's sentencing algorithm and recommendations to the judge ...That's assuming the error is not in their clients favor...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1249256.29845965</id>
	<title>Justice is only available to the rich</title>
	<author>cryfreedomlove</author>
	<datestamp>1256312160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is another example of why impartial and fair justice is really only available to the rich.  A rich defendant could afford to pay his high powered defense attorney team to scrutinize this level of detail.  This is not happening for poor defendants who are forced to settle for noble, but overworked, public defenders.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is another example of why impartial and fair justice is really only available to the rich .
A rich defendant could afford to pay his high powered defense attorney team to scrutinize this level of detail .
This is not happening for poor defendants who are forced to settle for noble , but overworked , public defenders .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is another example of why impartial and fair justice is really only available to the rich.
A rich defendant could afford to pay his high powered defense attorney team to scrutinize this level of detail.
This is not happening for poor defendants who are forced to settle for noble, but overworked, public defenders.</sentencetext>
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