<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_10_22_1333241</id>
	<title>China Expands Cyberspying In US, Report Says</title>
	<author>samzenpus</author>
	<datestamp>1256225880000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"A new report published by <a href="http://www.uscc.gov/">The US-China Economic and Security Review Commission</a> wags a finger at the People's Republic of China for conducting <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125616872684400273.html">Internet-borne espionage operations against United States high-tech companies</a>. The paper, written by defense giant Northrop Grumman, provides a detailed case study of one such intrusion that moved large volumes of sensitive tech data out of a US firm in 2007. From a Wall Street Journal article, '"The case study is absolutely clearly controlled and directed with a specific purpose to get at defense technology in a related group of companies," said Larry Wortzel, vice chairman of the commission and a former U.S. Army attach&#233; in China. "There's no doubt that that's state-controlled."' Wang Baodong, a spokesman for the Chinese Embassy in Washington, criticized the commission as "a product of Cold War mentality" that was "put in place to pick China to pieces." He added: "Accusations of China conducting, or 'likely conducting' as the commission's report indicates, cyberspace attacks or espionage against the US are unfounded and unwarranted.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " A new report published by The US-China Economic and Security Review Commission wags a finger at the People 's Republic of China for conducting Internet-borne espionage operations against United States high-tech companies .
The paper , written by defense giant Northrop Grumman , provides a detailed case study of one such intrusion that moved large volumes of sensitive tech data out of a US firm in 2007 .
From a Wall Street Journal article , ' " The case study is absolutely clearly controlled and directed with a specific purpose to get at defense technology in a related group of companies , " said Larry Wortzel , vice chairman of the commission and a former U.S. Army attach   in China .
" There 's no doubt that that 's state-controlled .
" ' Wang Baodong , a spokesman for the Chinese Embassy in Washington , criticized the commission as " a product of Cold War mentality " that was " put in place to pick China to pieces .
" He added : " Accusations of China conducting , or 'likely conducting ' as the commission 's report indicates , cyberspace attacks or espionage against the US are unfounded and unwarranted .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "A new report published by The US-China Economic and Security Review Commission wags a finger at the People's Republic of China for conducting Internet-borne espionage operations against United States high-tech companies.
The paper, written by defense giant Northrop Grumman, provides a detailed case study of one such intrusion that moved large volumes of sensitive tech data out of a US firm in 2007.
From a Wall Street Journal article, '"The case study is absolutely clearly controlled and directed with a specific purpose to get at defense technology in a related group of companies," said Larry Wortzel, vice chairman of the commission and a former U.S. Army attaché in China.
"There's no doubt that that's state-controlled.
"' Wang Baodong, a spokesman for the Chinese Embassy in Washington, criticized the commission as "a product of Cold War mentality" that was "put in place to pick China to pieces.
" He added: "Accusations of China conducting, or 'likely conducting' as the commission's report indicates, cyberspace attacks or espionage against the US are unfounded and unwarranted.
'"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29836101</id>
	<title>Pure unadulterated government propaganda</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256230380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This report and story are simply American government propaganda. It is difficult to keep Americans believing that this is the "Land of the Free" without creating some sort of external threat. Sometimes those nasty Iranians with their nuclear missile programs are the biggest danger to our American way of life. Other times, it's those copycat Chinese with their industrial espionage trying to take jobs away from good, hard working Americans.</p><p>The story in this case is based on the assumption that there is anything worth stealing that is stored on Internet-reachable servers. It's a completely different story when you start questioning why secret information would be put anywhere near the biggest information network in the world. Is the problem a nefarious hacker country, or is the problem an incompetent American government?</p><p>Odds are both. However, remove the beam from thine own eye, and all that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This report and story are simply American government propaganda .
It is difficult to keep Americans believing that this is the " Land of the Free " without creating some sort of external threat .
Sometimes those nasty Iranians with their nuclear missile programs are the biggest danger to our American way of life .
Other times , it 's those copycat Chinese with their industrial espionage trying to take jobs away from good , hard working Americans.The story in this case is based on the assumption that there is anything worth stealing that is stored on Internet-reachable servers .
It 's a completely different story when you start questioning why secret information would be put anywhere near the biggest information network in the world .
Is the problem a nefarious hacker country , or is the problem an incompetent American government ? Odds are both .
However , remove the beam from thine own eye , and all that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This report and story are simply American government propaganda.
It is difficult to keep Americans believing that this is the "Land of the Free" without creating some sort of external threat.
Sometimes those nasty Iranians with their nuclear missile programs are the biggest danger to our American way of life.
Other times, it's those copycat Chinese with their industrial espionage trying to take jobs away from good, hard working Americans.The story in this case is based on the assumption that there is anything worth stealing that is stored on Internet-reachable servers.
It's a completely different story when you start questioning why secret information would be put anywhere near the biggest information network in the world.
Is the problem a nefarious hacker country, or is the problem an incompetent American government?Odds are both.
However, remove the beam from thine own eye, and all that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29842841</id>
	<title>Amateurs...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256232780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Over 150 comments and nobody mentioned real report cause?<br>In soviet russia (or maybe in UK) this kind of "reports" are simple baits that "confirm" successfull action of enemy intelligence.<br>It should be clear for anyone with half brain that data retrieved by enemy was planted in relatively easy to access place as disinformation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Over 150 comments and nobody mentioned real report cause ? In soviet russia ( or maybe in UK ) this kind of " reports " are simple baits that " confirm " successfull action of enemy intelligence.It should be clear for anyone with half brain that data retrieved by enemy was planted in relatively easy to access place as disinformation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Over 150 comments and nobody mentioned real report cause?In soviet russia (or maybe in UK) this kind of "reports" are simple baits that "confirm" successfull action of enemy intelligence.It should be clear for anyone with half brain that data retrieved by enemy was planted in relatively easy to access place as disinformation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29843029</id>
	<title>Re:there's a nice layer of deniability here</title>
	<author>BhaKi</author>
	<datestamp>1256236140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>... of course, by completely controlling media, the government is creating a population of robots who aren't thinking critically and are ultranationalist only by default<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div><p>Just like the US government. This has been the US government's strategy for the last 50 or more years. And it's still working successfully. How else would the "critical thinking" people of a country consent to so many wars?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... of course , by completely controlling media , the government is creating a population of robots who are n't thinking critically and are ultranationalist only by default ...Just like the US government .
This has been the US government 's strategy for the last 50 or more years .
And it 's still working successfully .
How else would the " critical thinking " people of a country consent to so many wars ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ... of course, by completely controlling media, the government is creating a population of robots who aren't thinking critically and are ultranationalist only by default ...Just like the US government.
This has been the US government's strategy for the last 50 or more years.
And it's still working successfully.
How else would the "critical thinking" people of a country consent to so many wars?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29836069</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29836047</id>
	<title>Re:Checking</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256230200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's is a contraction of "it is" or "it has."<br>Its is the possessive form of "it."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's is a contraction of " it is " or " it has .
" Its is the possessive form of " it .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's is a contraction of "it is" or "it has.
"Its is the possessive form of "it.
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29835949</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29836745</id>
	<title>Re:there's a nice layer of deniability here</title>
	<author>WindBourne</author>
	<datestamp>1256233320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>the Chinese hackers doing this are mostly motivated by ultranationalist impulses. they are self-starting, they are not command and control from the central government. if they discover any informational gems, the desire to report this to the government is also completely voluntary and desirable from an individual nationalistic point of view. if useful enough, such hackers can be brought into the fold and become a genuine command and control tool of the government, but this is at the late stage of things</i>
<br>
You are missing some VERY important parts to this. It is not just a crime to crack in China, but it is a death sentence if you are caught. OTH, Chinese gov. quietly rescinded that IFF the crackers will do only  western citizens/countries/companies and then share the information with the gov.</htmltext>
<tokenext>the Chinese hackers doing this are mostly motivated by ultranationalist impulses .
they are self-starting , they are not command and control from the central government .
if they discover any informational gems , the desire to report this to the government is also completely voluntary and desirable from an individual nationalistic point of view .
if useful enough , such hackers can be brought into the fold and become a genuine command and control tool of the government , but this is at the late stage of things You are missing some VERY important parts to this .
It is not just a crime to crack in China , but it is a death sentence if you are caught .
OTH , Chinese gov .
quietly rescinded that IFF the crackers will do only western citizens/countries/companies and then share the information with the gov .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the Chinese hackers doing this are mostly motivated by ultranationalist impulses.
they are self-starting, they are not command and control from the central government.
if they discover any informational gems, the desire to report this to the government is also completely voluntary and desirable from an individual nationalistic point of view.
if useful enough, such hackers can be brought into the fold and become a genuine command and control tool of the government, but this is at the late stage of things

You are missing some VERY important parts to this.
It is not just a crime to crack in China, but it is a death sentence if you are caught.
OTH, Chinese gov.
quietly rescinded that IFF the crackers will do only  western citizens/countries/companies and then share the information with the gov.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29836623</id>
	<title>Re:there's a nice layer of deniability here</title>
	<author>immakiku</author>
	<datestamp>1256232780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You've actually made some pretty loaded comments. Let's first ignore your assumptions about Chinese youth being made brainless by their media based on what you see in your media.</p><p>From my understanding, your main point is that China will need to have more open and engaging policies in order to sustain itself in the global economic and political arena. Though this sounds good in theory, you haven't provided any evidence why this should be true. All prior experience suggests they are doing fine and are rising to the challenge of managing policies in a non-open spirit. Economically the size of the population has proven to be a major growth factor; there's no indications of that approaching a limit yet (not just for China).</p><p>It's easy to be dismissive, but it's much more useful to employ some of the critical thinking you touted.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 've actually made some pretty loaded comments .
Let 's first ignore your assumptions about Chinese youth being made brainless by their media based on what you see in your media.From my understanding , your main point is that China will need to have more open and engaging policies in order to sustain itself in the global economic and political arena .
Though this sounds good in theory , you have n't provided any evidence why this should be true .
All prior experience suggests they are doing fine and are rising to the challenge of managing policies in a non-open spirit .
Economically the size of the population has proven to be a major growth factor ; there 's no indications of that approaching a limit yet ( not just for China ) .It 's easy to be dismissive , but it 's much more useful to employ some of the critical thinking you touted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You've actually made some pretty loaded comments.
Let's first ignore your assumptions about Chinese youth being made brainless by their media based on what you see in your media.From my understanding, your main point is that China will need to have more open and engaging policies in order to sustain itself in the global economic and political arena.
Though this sounds good in theory, you haven't provided any evidence why this should be true.
All prior experience suggests they are doing fine and are rising to the challenge of managing policies in a non-open spirit.
Economically the size of the population has proven to be a major growth factor; there's no indications of that approaching a limit yet (not just for China).It's easy to be dismissive, but it's much more useful to employ some of the critical thinking you touted.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29837167</id>
	<title>Re:Northrop Grumman</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256235120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You don't seem to understand how the Military-Industrial-Complex is supposed to work, do you?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/siphoning funds since 1961</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't seem to understand how the Military-Industrial-Complex is supposed to work , do you ?
/siphoning funds since 1961</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't seem to understand how the Military-Industrial-Complex is supposed to work, do you?
/siphoning funds since 1961</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29836159</id>
	<title>Just China.</title>
	<author>Thanshin</author>
	<datestamp>1256230620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What did they expect? A polite call? A mail?</p><p>"Excuse me. We'd like to know about your military efforts. Thank you."</p><p>Or is it just a case of: "Countries spy on each other. News at eleven."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What did they expect ?
A polite call ?
A mail ?
" Excuse me .
We 'd like to know about your military efforts .
Thank you .
" Or is it just a case of : " Countries spy on each other .
News at eleven .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What did they expect?
A polite call?
A mail?
"Excuse me.
We'd like to know about your military efforts.
Thank you.
"Or is it just a case of: "Countries spy on each other.
News at eleven.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29836435</id>
	<title>Re:there's a nice layer of deniability here</title>
	<author>cabjf</author>
	<datestamp>1256232060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I see you read the same article I did a while back.  I don't remember the magazine, but it outlined how the Chinese government basically turns a blind eye to the actions of these ultra-nationalistic hackers.  Then it recruits the best for it's actual espionage programs.  The author even followed his or her contact with one of these hackers who seemingly disappeared and turned up later under the employ of the regional government.  I don't know that locking down the media is the only thing at work here.   Look at the US from the 40's and 50's.  Because of WWII, most everyone was on this lasting high of nationalistic pride, especially as our economy and power grew.  I think many in China, especially those who are too young to remember the upheaval and killings of the Cultural Revolution, are under a nationalistic spell due to the growth that parts of the nation has been experiencing.  Just wait until their government starts screwing things up and they'll have their own version of the 60's and 70's.  If the upcoming generation is ultra-nationalistic, it follows that a future generation will rebel by questioning authority.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I see you read the same article I did a while back .
I do n't remember the magazine , but it outlined how the Chinese government basically turns a blind eye to the actions of these ultra-nationalistic hackers .
Then it recruits the best for it 's actual espionage programs .
The author even followed his or her contact with one of these hackers who seemingly disappeared and turned up later under the employ of the regional government .
I do n't know that locking down the media is the only thing at work here .
Look at the US from the 40 's and 50 's .
Because of WWII , most everyone was on this lasting high of nationalistic pride , especially as our economy and power grew .
I think many in China , especially those who are too young to remember the upheaval and killings of the Cultural Revolution , are under a nationalistic spell due to the growth that parts of the nation has been experiencing .
Just wait until their government starts screwing things up and they 'll have their own version of the 60 's and 70 's .
If the upcoming generation is ultra-nationalistic , it follows that a future generation will rebel by questioning authority .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I see you read the same article I did a while back.
I don't remember the magazine, but it outlined how the Chinese government basically turns a blind eye to the actions of these ultra-nationalistic hackers.
Then it recruits the best for it's actual espionage programs.
The author even followed his or her contact with one of these hackers who seemingly disappeared and turned up later under the employ of the regional government.
I don't know that locking down the media is the only thing at work here.
Look at the US from the 40's and 50's.
Because of WWII, most everyone was on this lasting high of nationalistic pride, especially as our economy and power grew.
I think many in China, especially those who are too young to remember the upheaval and killings of the Cultural Revolution, are under a nationalistic spell due to the growth that parts of the nation has been experiencing.
Just wait until their government starts screwing things up and they'll have their own version of the 60's and 70's.
If the upcoming generation is ultra-nationalistic, it follows that a future generation will rebel by questioning authority.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29836449</id>
	<title>This happened at my company...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256232120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I worked in Nuclear security, and a Chinese programmer before I was hired ran off with the source code to our nuclear security system and went back to China with it. It is happening.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I worked in Nuclear security , and a Chinese programmer before I was hired ran off with the source code to our nuclear security system and went back to China with it .
It is happening .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I worked in Nuclear security, and a Chinese programmer before I was hired ran off with the source code to our nuclear security system and went back to China with it.
It is happening.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29836267</id>
	<title>Re:Let me be the first to say it:</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1256231220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is the duty of every government to spy on the competition for both military and economic information. The Chinese, US, and any other government would be negligent if they didn't look for every advantage.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is the duty of every government to spy on the competition for both military and economic information .
The Chinese , US , and any other government would be negligent if they did n't look for every advantage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is the duty of every government to spy on the competition for both military and economic information.
The Chinese, US, and any other government would be negligent if they didn't look for every advantage.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29838309</id>
	<title>Ob</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256239560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I heard they had an elimination style competition with varoiious rounds of hacking to see who'd be the head of the cyber espionage unit.</p><p>And when they got down to the final survivor they said "You are the geekiest chink!".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I heard they had an elimination style competition with varoiious rounds of hacking to see who 'd be the head of the cyber espionage unit.And when they got down to the final survivor they said " You are the geekiest chink !
" .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I heard they had an elimination style competition with varoiious rounds of hacking to see who'd be the head of the cyber espionage unit.And when they got down to the final survivor they said "You are the geekiest chink!
".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29839367</id>
	<title>Re:Northrop Grumman</title>
	<author>Eil</author>
	<datestamp>1256244960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have 5 mods points and wish I could use them all on the above comment.</p><p>Most people have no idea how much defense policy is (more or less) constructed by the defense contractors themselves. These firms invent scary-sounding problems and then offer expensive solutions. They develop nothing that they think can't be successfully pitched to the Pentagon. When a commander or committee buys into a billion-dollar project, they get a promotion and the contractor gets a billion taxpayer dollars.</p><p>I've seen this with my own eyes. Military bases are commanded by military commanders, but are largely run by contractors. Engineering; transportation; hospitality; I.T.; supply; training; build, vehicle, and aircraft maintenance; even physical security on occasion. I'm not saying that contractors shouldn't be utilized where it makes sense, but when I was in the military, I got the sense that the DoD was inching towards the goal of one day having companies run the entirety of all military operations, stopping short of actually contracting companies to fire the guns for them. (Although they are, if I'm not mistaken, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xe\_(Company)" title="wikipedia.org">already doing that</a> [wikipedia.org].)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have 5 mods points and wish I could use them all on the above comment.Most people have no idea how much defense policy is ( more or less ) constructed by the defense contractors themselves .
These firms invent scary-sounding problems and then offer expensive solutions .
They develop nothing that they think ca n't be successfully pitched to the Pentagon .
When a commander or committee buys into a billion-dollar project , they get a promotion and the contractor gets a billion taxpayer dollars.I 've seen this with my own eyes .
Military bases are commanded by military commanders , but are largely run by contractors .
Engineering ; transportation ; hospitality ; I.T .
; supply ; training ; build , vehicle , and aircraft maintenance ; even physical security on occasion .
I 'm not saying that contractors should n't be utilized where it makes sense , but when I was in the military , I got the sense that the DoD was inching towards the goal of one day having companies run the entirety of all military operations , stopping short of actually contracting companies to fire the guns for them .
( Although they are , if I 'm not mistaken , already doing that [ wikipedia.org ] .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have 5 mods points and wish I could use them all on the above comment.Most people have no idea how much defense policy is (more or less) constructed by the defense contractors themselves.
These firms invent scary-sounding problems and then offer expensive solutions.
They develop nothing that they think can't be successfully pitched to the Pentagon.
When a commander or committee buys into a billion-dollar project, they get a promotion and the contractor gets a billion taxpayer dollars.I've seen this with my own eyes.
Military bases are commanded by military commanders, but are largely run by contractors.
Engineering; transportation; hospitality; I.T.
; supply; training; build, vehicle, and aircraft maintenance; even physical security on occasion.
I'm not saying that contractors shouldn't be utilized where it makes sense, but when I was in the military, I got the sense that the DoD was inching towards the goal of one day having companies run the entirety of all military operations, stopping short of actually contracting companies to fire the guns for them.
(Although they are, if I'm not mistaken, already doing that [wikipedia.org].
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29836537</id>
	<title>Screw China</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256232480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Their government has no conscience whatsoever.  All I know is communism leads to a society that doesn't innovate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Their government has no conscience whatsoever .
All I know is communism leads to a society that does n't innovate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Their government has no conscience whatsoever.
All I know is communism leads to a society that doesn't innovate.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29836207</id>
	<title>goes both ways</title>
	<author>petes\_PoV</author>
	<datestamp>1256230920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm sure every country is spying on every other one - including so-called "allies". All this tells us is there's one single case study where someone's internet security wasn't up to scratch.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure every country is spying on every other one - including so-called " allies " .
All this tells us is there 's one single case study where someone 's internet security was n't up to scratch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure every country is spying on every other one - including so-called "allies".
All this tells us is there's one single case study where someone's internet security wasn't up to scratch.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29836289</id>
	<title>Why China is Blocked</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256231280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>This report demonstrates precisely why many companies, particularly those with no direct overseas connections, black hole the entire IP ranges of countries like China, Russia, and others. While this does not entirely prevent attacks originating in those countries it does put one more roadblock in the way of any would be attackers (i.e. they must first compromise some other US host before launching their attack through that host). According to the report linked in the TFA, the attackers were able to RDP into company computers directly from China...doh!</htmltext>
<tokenext>This report demonstrates precisely why many companies , particularly those with no direct overseas connections , black hole the entire IP ranges of countries like China , Russia , and others .
While this does not entirely prevent attacks originating in those countries it does put one more roadblock in the way of any would be attackers ( i.e .
they must first compromise some other US host before launching their attack through that host ) .
According to the report linked in the TFA , the attackers were able to RDP into company computers directly from China...doh !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This report demonstrates precisely why many companies, particularly those with no direct overseas connections, black hole the entire IP ranges of countries like China, Russia, and others.
While this does not entirely prevent attacks originating in those countries it does put one more roadblock in the way of any would be attackers (i.e.
they must first compromise some other US host before launching their attack through that host).
According to the report linked in the TFA, the attackers were able to RDP into company computers directly from China...doh!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29836379</id>
	<title>And now we are helping them</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256231760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Recently, Obama moved all of ITAR regulated space goods to being under department of commerce. This is the same group that allowed various space companies to work closely with China under Clinton. Problem is, that all of the fixes that were done to China's rockets were transferred to China's nuke missiles and it now appears that same tech was transferred to North Korea AND Iran (both of their missiles showed up with similar fixes). So, now, Clinton's transfer to tech has enabled China, NK, and Iran to land a missile within 1 km diameter or less. Before, none of them could hit within 100 km, which is why China was not putting up space cargo.<br> <br>
Between bad moves on American dems and EU liberals, combined with China's illegal spying, it is safe to say that China will surpass the west militarily much faster than expected.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Recently , Obama moved all of ITAR regulated space goods to being under department of commerce .
This is the same group that allowed various space companies to work closely with China under Clinton .
Problem is , that all of the fixes that were done to China 's rockets were transferred to China 's nuke missiles and it now appears that same tech was transferred to North Korea AND Iran ( both of their missiles showed up with similar fixes ) .
So , now , Clinton 's transfer to tech has enabled China , NK , and Iran to land a missile within 1 km diameter or less .
Before , none of them could hit within 100 km , which is why China was not putting up space cargo .
Between bad moves on American dems and EU liberals , combined with China 's illegal spying , it is safe to say that China will surpass the west militarily much faster than expected .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Recently, Obama moved all of ITAR regulated space goods to being under department of commerce.
This is the same group that allowed various space companies to work closely with China under Clinton.
Problem is, that all of the fixes that were done to China's rockets were transferred to China's nuke missiles and it now appears that same tech was transferred to North Korea AND Iran (both of their missiles showed up with similar fixes).
So, now, Clinton's transfer to tech has enabled China, NK, and Iran to land a missile within 1 km diameter or less.
Before, none of them could hit within 100 km, which is why China was not putting up space cargo.
Between bad moves on American dems and EU liberals, combined with China's illegal spying, it is safe to say that China will surpass the west militarily much faster than expected.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29836069</id>
	<title>there's a nice layer of deniability here</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
	<datestamp>1256230260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the chinese hackers doing this are mostly motivated by ultranationalist impulses. they are self-starting, they are not command and control from the central government. if they discover any informational gems, the desire to report this to the government is also completely voluntary and desirable from an individual nationalistic point of view. if useful enough, such hackers can be brought into the fold and become a genuine command and control tool of the government, but this is at the late stage of things</p><p>of course, by completely controlling media, the government is creating a population of robots who aren't thinking critically and are ultranationalist only by default</p><p>luckily, tribalism is never stronger than principles in terms of motivations that win over others on the global stage. chinese censorship is creating a generation of cottonheads in its youth, unable to see the wider world for what it is. youth from countries with open and transparent media, and without hermetically sealed censorship of the level china employs, are meanwhile more globalistic and principled in their attitudes, rather than tribal. of course nationalistic, tribal thinking exists in all countries. but only in places like china and iran, who feel the need to control the media, does the nationalism rise to the level of blind passion: these minds simply aren't exposed to other opinions</p><p>so china has developed a wonderful machine for keeping china safe and secure from the outside. but as china begins to emerge as a player on the world stage, it is going to have to think on the world stage, not simply react from the point of view a cloistered hermit kingdom that imagines itself walled off from the wider world and its concerns</p><p>china will never lead in this world as long as it breeds children who can't think about anything except china. critical thinking only comes from exposure to alternative opinions and points of view. the chinese are raising their children to have no criticla thinking skills, to be blind cottonheaded nationalistic robots</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the chinese hackers doing this are mostly motivated by ultranationalist impulses .
they are self-starting , they are not command and control from the central government .
if they discover any informational gems , the desire to report this to the government is also completely voluntary and desirable from an individual nationalistic point of view .
if useful enough , such hackers can be brought into the fold and become a genuine command and control tool of the government , but this is at the late stage of thingsof course , by completely controlling media , the government is creating a population of robots who are n't thinking critically and are ultranationalist only by defaultluckily , tribalism is never stronger than principles in terms of motivations that win over others on the global stage .
chinese censorship is creating a generation of cottonheads in its youth , unable to see the wider world for what it is .
youth from countries with open and transparent media , and without hermetically sealed censorship of the level china employs , are meanwhile more globalistic and principled in their attitudes , rather than tribal .
of course nationalistic , tribal thinking exists in all countries .
but only in places like china and iran , who feel the need to control the media , does the nationalism rise to the level of blind passion : these minds simply are n't exposed to other opinionsso china has developed a wonderful machine for keeping china safe and secure from the outside .
but as china begins to emerge as a player on the world stage , it is going to have to think on the world stage , not simply react from the point of view a cloistered hermit kingdom that imagines itself walled off from the wider world and its concernschina will never lead in this world as long as it breeds children who ca n't think about anything except china .
critical thinking only comes from exposure to alternative opinions and points of view .
the chinese are raising their children to have no criticla thinking skills , to be blind cottonheaded nationalistic robots</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the chinese hackers doing this are mostly motivated by ultranationalist impulses.
they are self-starting, they are not command and control from the central government.
if they discover any informational gems, the desire to report this to the government is also completely voluntary and desirable from an individual nationalistic point of view.
if useful enough, such hackers can be brought into the fold and become a genuine command and control tool of the government, but this is at the late stage of thingsof course, by completely controlling media, the government is creating a population of robots who aren't thinking critically and are ultranationalist only by defaultluckily, tribalism is never stronger than principles in terms of motivations that win over others on the global stage.
chinese censorship is creating a generation of cottonheads in its youth, unable to see the wider world for what it is.
youth from countries with open and transparent media, and without hermetically sealed censorship of the level china employs, are meanwhile more globalistic and principled in their attitudes, rather than tribal.
of course nationalistic, tribal thinking exists in all countries.
but only in places like china and iran, who feel the need to control the media, does the nationalism rise to the level of blind passion: these minds simply aren't exposed to other opinionsso china has developed a wonderful machine for keeping china safe and secure from the outside.
but as china begins to emerge as a player on the world stage, it is going to have to think on the world stage, not simply react from the point of view a cloistered hermit kingdom that imagines itself walled off from the wider world and its concernschina will never lead in this world as long as it breeds children who can't think about anything except china.
critical thinking only comes from exposure to alternative opinions and points of view.
the chinese are raising their children to have no criticla thinking skills, to be blind cottonheaded nationalistic robots</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29836355</id>
	<title>What an outrage!</title>
	<author>Akita24</author>
	<datestamp>1256231640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They should know better! Shame on them! Everybody knows it's only good/moral/OK if WE do it. Sheesh.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They should know better !
Shame on them !
Everybody knows it 's only good/moral/OK if WE do it .
Sheesh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They should know better!
Shame on them!
Everybody knows it's only good/moral/OK if WE do it.
Sheesh.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29843499</id>
	<title>Re:there's a nice layer of deniability here</title>
	<author>Nyder</author>
	<datestamp>1256331120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>the chinese hackers doing this are mostly motivated by ultranationalist impulses. they are self-starting, they are not command and control from the central government. if they discover any informational gems, the desire to report this to the government is also completely voluntary and desirable from an individual nationalistic point of view. if useful enough, such hackers can be brought into the fold and become a genuine command and control tool of the government, but this is at the late stage of things</p><p>of course, by completely controlling media, the government is creating a population of robots who aren't thinking critically and are ultranationalist only by default</p><p>luckily, tribalism is never stronger than principles in terms of motivations that win over others on the global stage. chinese censorship is creating a generation of cottonheads in its youth, unable to see the wider world for what it is. youth from countries with open and transparent media, and without hermetically sealed censorship of the level china employs, are meanwhile more globalistic and principled in their attitudes, rather than tribal. of course nationalistic, tribal thinking exists in all countries. but only in places like china and iran, who feel the need to control the media, does the nationalism rise to the level of blind passion: these minds simply aren't exposed to other opinions</p><p>so china has developed a wonderful machine for keeping china safe and secure from the outside. but as china begins to emerge as a player on the world stage, it is going to have to think on the world stage, not simply react from the point of view a cloistered hermit kingdom that imagines itself walled off from the wider world and its concerns</p><p>china will never lead in this world as long as it breeds children who can't think about anything except china. critical thinking only comes from exposure to alternative opinions and points of view. the chinese are raising their children to have no criticla thinking skills, to be blind cottonheaded nationalistic robots</p></div><p>And I suppose you have sources?</p><p>otherwise, what I read here was, well, dribble spouting out of your mouth.</p><p>here's a napkin to wipe it off.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>the chinese hackers doing this are mostly motivated by ultranationalist impulses .
they are self-starting , they are not command and control from the central government .
if they discover any informational gems , the desire to report this to the government is also completely voluntary and desirable from an individual nationalistic point of view .
if useful enough , such hackers can be brought into the fold and become a genuine command and control tool of the government , but this is at the late stage of thingsof course , by completely controlling media , the government is creating a population of robots who are n't thinking critically and are ultranationalist only by defaultluckily , tribalism is never stronger than principles in terms of motivations that win over others on the global stage .
chinese censorship is creating a generation of cottonheads in its youth , unable to see the wider world for what it is .
youth from countries with open and transparent media , and without hermetically sealed censorship of the level china employs , are meanwhile more globalistic and principled in their attitudes , rather than tribal .
of course nationalistic , tribal thinking exists in all countries .
but only in places like china and iran , who feel the need to control the media , does the nationalism rise to the level of blind passion : these minds simply are n't exposed to other opinionsso china has developed a wonderful machine for keeping china safe and secure from the outside .
but as china begins to emerge as a player on the world stage , it is going to have to think on the world stage , not simply react from the point of view a cloistered hermit kingdom that imagines itself walled off from the wider world and its concernschina will never lead in this world as long as it breeds children who ca n't think about anything except china .
critical thinking only comes from exposure to alternative opinions and points of view .
the chinese are raising their children to have no criticla thinking skills , to be blind cottonheaded nationalistic robotsAnd I suppose you have sources ? otherwise , what I read here was , well , dribble spouting out of your mouth.here 's a napkin to wipe it off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the chinese hackers doing this are mostly motivated by ultranationalist impulses.
they are self-starting, they are not command and control from the central government.
if they discover any informational gems, the desire to report this to the government is also completely voluntary and desirable from an individual nationalistic point of view.
if useful enough, such hackers can be brought into the fold and become a genuine command and control tool of the government, but this is at the late stage of thingsof course, by completely controlling media, the government is creating a population of robots who aren't thinking critically and are ultranationalist only by defaultluckily, tribalism is never stronger than principles in terms of motivations that win over others on the global stage.
chinese censorship is creating a generation of cottonheads in its youth, unable to see the wider world for what it is.
youth from countries with open and transparent media, and without hermetically sealed censorship of the level china employs, are meanwhile more globalistic and principled in their attitudes, rather than tribal.
of course nationalistic, tribal thinking exists in all countries.
but only in places like china and iran, who feel the need to control the media, does the nationalism rise to the level of blind passion: these minds simply aren't exposed to other opinionsso china has developed a wonderful machine for keeping china safe and secure from the outside.
but as china begins to emerge as a player on the world stage, it is going to have to think on the world stage, not simply react from the point of view a cloistered hermit kingdom that imagines itself walled off from the wider world and its concernschina will never lead in this world as long as it breeds children who can't think about anything except china.
critical thinking only comes from exposure to alternative opinions and points of view.
the chinese are raising their children to have no criticla thinking skills, to be blind cottonheaded nationalistic robotsAnd I suppose you have sources?otherwise, what I read here was, well, dribble spouting out of your mouth.here's a napkin to wipe it off.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29836069</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29837563</id>
	<title>Re:I'm SHOCKED, SHOCKED!..</title>
	<author>Registered Coward v2</author>
	<datestamp>1256236620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm shocked to discover, an <em>emerging</em> world power is spying on the <em>existing</em> world power and is trying to get its weapons technology...

</p><p>Seriously, this shouldn't even be news. What countermeasures are being taken is a lot more interesting &mdash; for both us and the Chinese &mdash; but should be kept just as secret for the latter reason...</p></div><p>You hit it square on the head - countermeasures allow for not only stopping intrusions but feeding bogus information or incorporating features in software that may be useful in the future - trap doors, equipment malfunctions, etc.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm shocked to discover , an emerging world power is spying on the existing world power and is trying to get its weapons technology.. . Seriously , this should n't even be news .
What countermeasures are being taken is a lot more interesting    for both us and the Chinese    but should be kept just as secret for the latter reason...You hit it square on the head - countermeasures allow for not only stopping intrusions but feeding bogus information or incorporating features in software that may be useful in the future - trap doors , equipment malfunctions , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm shocked to discover, an emerging world power is spying on the existing world power and is trying to get its weapons technology...

Seriously, this shouldn't even be news.
What countermeasures are being taken is a lot more interesting — for both us and the Chinese — but should be kept just as secret for the latter reason...You hit it square on the head - countermeasures allow for not only stopping intrusions but feeding bogus information or incorporating features in software that may be useful in the future - trap doors, equipment malfunctions, etc.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29836007</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29840447</id>
	<title>Re:I'm SHOCKED, SHOCKED!..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256207700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have you considered improving your <a href="http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol\_1/chpt\_3/3.html" title="allaboutcircuits.com" rel="nofollow">ground connection</a> [allaboutcircuits.com]? This will considerably reduce your shock hazard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you considered improving your ground connection [ allaboutcircuits.com ] ?
This will considerably reduce your shock hazard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you considered improving your ground connection [allaboutcircuits.com]?
This will considerably reduce your shock hazard.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29836007</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29837501</id>
	<title>Mom! Hes spying on me!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256236380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>USA:  Mooom! He's spying on me!</p><p>China: Nuh-uh!  You can't prove it was me!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>USA : Mooom !
He 's spying on me ! China : Nuh-uh !
You ca n't prove it was me !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>USA:  Mooom!
He's spying on me!China: Nuh-uh!
You can't prove it was me!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29841069</id>
	<title>Re:And we fund such activity via lopsided trade</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256211540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>don't you also over feed yourself so you are always the bigger one?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>do n't you also over feed yourself so you are always the bigger one ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>don't you also over feed yourself so you are always the bigger one?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29836483</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29836297</id>
	<title>China spying against the US?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256231280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Im shocked. Really shocked. Or perhaps not......
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enercon#cite\_note-zeit-0" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enercon#cite\_note-zeit-0</a> [wikipedia.org]
In other words: So what? Is normal competitive behaviour when the USA is spying, but evil when the USA is the victim? Cry me a river.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Im shocked .
Really shocked .
Or perhaps not..... . http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enercon # cite \ _note-zeit-0 [ wikipedia.org ] In other words : So what ?
Is normal competitive behaviour when the USA is spying , but evil when the USA is the victim ?
Cry me a river .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Im shocked.
Really shocked.
Or perhaps not......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enercon#cite\_note-zeit-0 [wikipedia.org]
In other words: So what?
Is normal competitive behaviour when the USA is spying, but evil when the USA is the victim?
Cry me a river.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29836087</id>
	<title>Look who wrote the report</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256230320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nothing like a good scare to rake in some more of that military industrial complex funding pork. It might be true, it might not be, but the incentive for the writer is clear. Too bad it is impolitic towards China at best, but they don't care. They need monies to fight ebil cybercommieterrists, whether those actually exist or not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nothing like a good scare to rake in some more of that military industrial complex funding pork .
It might be true , it might not be , but the incentive for the writer is clear .
Too bad it is impolitic towards China at best , but they do n't care .
They need monies to fight ebil cybercommieterrists , whether those actually exist or not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nothing like a good scare to rake in some more of that military industrial complex funding pork.
It might be true, it might not be, but the incentive for the writer is clear.
Too bad it is impolitic towards China at best, but they don't care.
They need monies to fight ebil cybercommieterrists, whether those actually exist or not.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29836447</id>
	<title>And this is new, how?</title>
	<author>stakovahflow</author>
	<datestamp>1256232120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously, how is this a new thing?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , how is this a new thing ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, how is this a new thing?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29835955</id>
	<title>Let me be the first to say it:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256229720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>The notion that China is NOT doing the things they are accused of in this story is <b>utter and complete <i>bullshit</i> </b>.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The notion that China is NOT doing the things they are accused of in this story is utter and complete bullshit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The notion that China is NOT doing the things they are accused of in this story is utter and complete bullshit .</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29836077</id>
	<title>Why spy anyway</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256230320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Isn't everything made in China these days? There's no need to spy companies, just wait for them to get the manufacturing contracts with a Chinese company.</p><p>Score: 50\% funny, 50\% scary.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't everything made in China these days ?
There 's no need to spy companies , just wait for them to get the manufacturing contracts with a Chinese company.Score : 50 \ % funny , 50 \ % scary .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't everything made in China these days?
There's no need to spy companies, just wait for them to get the manufacturing contracts with a Chinese company.Score: 50\% funny, 50\% scary.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29836241</id>
	<title>Oh, Please</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256231100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Report prepared by group who's going to benefit from new contracts against the "threat"<br>Spreading fear is great money making machine.<br>Stop this paranoia.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Report prepared by group who 's going to benefit from new contracts against the " threat " Spreading fear is great money making machine.Stop this paranoia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Report prepared by group who's going to benefit from new contracts against the "threat"Spreading fear is great money making machine.Stop this paranoia.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29838587</id>
	<title>and I'm SURE USA has NEVER spied on China!</title>
	<author>Petkov</author>
	<datestamp>1256241060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh yeah and those US ships and airplanes near China airspace/waters are just there for the fun of it. Yes indeed. And Im sure that plane the Chinese caught  a while back was just a tourist planes, oh yes.<br>More China bashing articles on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh yeah and those US ships and airplanes near China airspace/waters are just there for the fun of it .
Yes indeed .
And Im sure that plane the Chinese caught a while back was just a tourist planes , oh yes.More China bashing articles on / .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh yeah and those US ships and airplanes near China airspace/waters are just there for the fun of it.
Yes indeed.
And Im sure that plane the Chinese caught  a while back was just a tourist planes, oh yes.More China bashing articles on /.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29836907</id>
	<title>Aw, c'mon...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256233920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I couldn't get past this: "Wang Baodong" (the spokesman for the Chinese Embassy in Washington...)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I could n't get past this : " Wang Baodong " ( the spokesman for the Chinese Embassy in Washington... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I couldn't get past this: "Wang Baodong" (the spokesman for the Chinese Embassy in Washington...)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29836107</id>
	<title>Easier taking data from "The Cloud"?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256230380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Imagine how much easier it'd be to get this sort of information as businesses and individuals start using cloud computing.</p><p>Then again, cloud computing is all about the centralization of control. That fits in perfectly with the Chinese philosophy of governance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Imagine how much easier it 'd be to get this sort of information as businesses and individuals start using cloud computing.Then again , cloud computing is all about the centralization of control .
That fits in perfectly with the Chinese philosophy of governance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Imagine how much easier it'd be to get this sort of information as businesses and individuals start using cloud computing.Then again, cloud computing is all about the centralization of control.
That fits in perfectly with the Chinese philosophy of governance.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29874211</id>
	<title>Re:there's a nice layer of deniability here</title>
	<author>hesaigo999ca</author>
	<datestamp>1256580720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ouch, are you way out there....with your generalizations. I agree that China wants to breed these type of easy to  control, loyal weak minded supporters to their cause, but in fact I have seen a few Chinese being crushed and run over by tanks because they did not want to move and let the government dictate EVERYTHING for them.</p><p>Generalizations are a dangerous thing, especially if it blinds you into thinking that you know enough about just one "people" to effectively cast them off as being non important, or diminished, or even uneducated, and unable to think for themselves. Every people has their robots (ours has a lot of consumers in it, propelling our economy towards yet another plummet..this means you mr.bestbuy )  and every people has their leaders and thinkers.</p><p>I tend to want to speak seeing as I am a software developer who knows a few things about hacking, although I do not know enough about the Chinese or their government plans to help civilians hone their skills and reward them when they get something of value....however I do know our government works the same, especially when they give the worst fraudster of all (cheque fraud) a position with the FBI to help circumvent any further attempts at bank fraud.<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch\_Me\_If\_You\_Can" title="wikipedia.org"> Frank Abagnale Jr </a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ouch , are you way out there....with your generalizations .
I agree that China wants to breed these type of easy to control , loyal weak minded supporters to their cause , but in fact I have seen a few Chinese being crushed and run over by tanks because they did not want to move and let the government dictate EVERYTHING for them.Generalizations are a dangerous thing , especially if it blinds you into thinking that you know enough about just one " people " to effectively cast them off as being non important , or diminished , or even uneducated , and unable to think for themselves .
Every people has their robots ( ours has a lot of consumers in it , propelling our economy towards yet another plummet..this means you mr.bestbuy ) and every people has their leaders and thinkers.I tend to want to speak seeing as I am a software developer who knows a few things about hacking , although I do not know enough about the Chinese or their government plans to help civilians hone their skills and reward them when they get something of value....however I do know our government works the same , especially when they give the worst fraudster of all ( cheque fraud ) a position with the FBI to help circumvent any further attempts at bank fraud .
Frank Abagnale Jr [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ouch, are you way out there....with your generalizations.
I agree that China wants to breed these type of easy to  control, loyal weak minded supporters to their cause, but in fact I have seen a few Chinese being crushed and run over by tanks because they did not want to move and let the government dictate EVERYTHING for them.Generalizations are a dangerous thing, especially if it blinds you into thinking that you know enough about just one "people" to effectively cast them off as being non important, or diminished, or even uneducated, and unable to think for themselves.
Every people has their robots (ours has a lot of consumers in it, propelling our economy towards yet another plummet..this means you mr.bestbuy )  and every people has their leaders and thinkers.I tend to want to speak seeing as I am a software developer who knows a few things about hacking, although I do not know enough about the Chinese or their government plans to help civilians hone their skills and reward them when they get something of value....however I do know our government works the same, especially when they give the worst fraudster of all (cheque fraud) a position with the FBI to help circumvent any further attempts at bank fraud.
Frank Abagnale Jr  [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29842583</id>
	<title>Re:there's a nice layer of deniability here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256228460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Find and replace</p><p>"China"</p><p>with</p><p>"America"</p><p>(and delete the bits about hackers, because americans are too busy with porn)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Find and replace " China " with " America " ( and delete the bits about hackers , because americans are too busy with porn )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Find and replace"China"with"America"(and delete the bits about hackers, because americans are too busy with porn)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29836069</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29836291</id>
	<title>Pleaseeeeeeee</title>
	<author>bullwin69</author>
	<datestamp>1256231280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Are you kidding me.This is what keep everybody in business.  I would have a problem believing them if
both sides said they where being good boys and girls</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you kidding me.This is what keep everybody in business .
I would have a problem believing them if both sides said they where being good boys and girls</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you kidding me.This is what keep everybody in business.
I would have a problem believing them if
both sides said they where being good boys and girls</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29836483</id>
	<title>And we fund such activity via lopsided trade</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256232240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>go figure. It's like over-feeding a pet until it's large enough to eat you, and then complaining that it's eating you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>go figure .
It 's like over-feeding a pet until it 's large enough to eat you , and then complaining that it 's eating you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>go figure.
It's like over-feeding a pet until it's large enough to eat you, and then complaining that it's eating you.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29835963</id>
	<title>While Northrup Grumman Expands Cyberspying</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256229780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>in the U.S. !</p><p>Why do I found the report suspect when the author is part of the military-industrial-health care-complex?</p><p>Yours In Novy Urengoy,<br>Kilgore T.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>in the U.S. ! Why do I found the report suspect when the author is part of the military-industrial-health care-complex ? Yours In Novy Urengoy,Kilgore T .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>in the U.S. !Why do I found the report suspect when the author is part of the military-industrial-health care-complex?Yours In Novy Urengoy,Kilgore T.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29840711</id>
	<title>Getting Tiresome</title>
	<author>DynaSoar</author>
	<datestamp>1256209080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's what now, 3 or 4 times a year we hear this same story? If there were something we really didn't want them to have, and I'm sure there's plenty, we'd put it where they couldn't get to it, ie. not networked/online.</p><p>Face it, they're the main supplier for the myriad crap consumables and durable goods we pick up the the People's Republic of Walmart. At the pries they're getting they can't afford to buy these 'secrets' and still come up to par with us. If we charged them, their businesses would never get the chance to take over the country, so we could buy them out and control them financially, like we did with Russia.</p><p>If we really wanted them to stop, they'd 'find' things that's scare the bamboo curtain back down.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's what now , 3 or 4 times a year we hear this same story ?
If there were something we really did n't want them to have , and I 'm sure there 's plenty , we 'd put it where they could n't get to it , ie .
not networked/online.Face it , they 're the main supplier for the myriad crap consumables and durable goods we pick up the the People 's Republic of Walmart .
At the pries they 're getting they ca n't afford to buy these 'secrets ' and still come up to par with us .
If we charged them , their businesses would never get the chance to take over the country , so we could buy them out and control them financially , like we did with Russia.If we really wanted them to stop , they 'd 'find ' things that 's scare the bamboo curtain back down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's what now, 3 or 4 times a year we hear this same story?
If there were something we really didn't want them to have, and I'm sure there's plenty, we'd put it where they couldn't get to it, ie.
not networked/online.Face it, they're the main supplier for the myriad crap consumables and durable goods we pick up the the People's Republic of Walmart.
At the pries they're getting they can't afford to buy these 'secrets' and still come up to par with us.
If we charged them, their businesses would never get the chance to take over the country, so we could buy them out and control them financially, like we did with Russia.If we really wanted them to stop, they'd 'find' things that's scare the bamboo curtain back down.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29838527</id>
	<title>It's a brave new world</title>
	<author>Progman3K</author>
	<datestamp>1256240700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's vitally important the Chinese find out what kind of porn the people at our research labs are into.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's vitally important the Chinese find out what kind of porn the people at our research labs are into .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's vitally important the Chinese find out what kind of porn the people at our research labs are into.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29836007</id>
	<title>I'm SHOCKED, SHOCKED!..</title>
	<author>mi</author>
	<datestamp>1256230020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm shocked to discover, an <em>emerging</em> world power is spying on the <em>existing</em> world power and is trying to get its weapons technology...

</p><p>Seriously, this shouldn't even be news. What countermeasures are being taken is a lot more interesting &mdash; for both us and the Chinese &mdash; but should be kept just as secret for the latter reason...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm shocked to discover , an emerging world power is spying on the existing world power and is trying to get its weapons technology.. . Seriously , this should n't even be news .
What countermeasures are being taken is a lot more interesting    for both us and the Chinese    but should be kept just as secret for the latter reason.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm shocked to discover, an emerging world power is spying on the existing world power and is trying to get its weapons technology...

Seriously, this shouldn't even be news.
What countermeasures are being taken is a lot more interesting — for both us and the Chinese — but should be kept just as secret for the latter reason...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29842265</id>
	<title>Re:Northrop Grumman</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256224560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are most likely wrong. I work in the information security industry as a consultant. I handle incident response on occasion. Some of the time for the companies that are the subject of this article. I think their conclusions are sound and I have seen some of the evidence.</p><p>Piss in the wind and all that, but I agree with this report and think it is a big deal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are most likely wrong .
I work in the information security industry as a consultant .
I handle incident response on occasion .
Some of the time for the companies that are the subject of this article .
I think their conclusions are sound and I have seen some of the evidence.Piss in the wind and all that , but I agree with this report and think it is a big deal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are most likely wrong.
I work in the information security industry as a consultant.
I handle incident response on occasion.
Some of the time for the companies that are the subject of this article.
I think their conclusions are sound and I have seen some of the evidence.Piss in the wind and all that, but I agree with this report and think it is a big deal.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29836091</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29836105</id>
	<title>Re:I'm SHOCKED, SHOCKED!..</title>
	<author>Goffee71</author>
	<datestamp>1256230380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Our defense is:
<br> <br>
All our code has bugs<br>
All our weapons don't work<br>
All our technology is too expensive to be affordable<br>
<br>
It'll take them a couple of decades, but they'll catch on.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Our defense is : All our code has bugs All our weapons do n't work All our technology is too expensive to be affordable It 'll take them a couple of decades , but they 'll catch on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Our defense is:
 
All our code has bugs
All our weapons don't work
All our technology is too expensive to be affordable

It'll take them a couple of decades, but they'll catch on.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29836007</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29837385</id>
	<title>Re:there's a nice layer of deniability here</title>
	<author>foobsr</author>
	<datestamp>1256235960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>the chinese are raising their children to have no criticla thinking skills, to be blind cottonheaded nationalistic robots</i>
<br> <br>
The 'West' are raising their children to have no critical thinking skills, to be blind, cotton-headed corporate robots.
<br> <br>
I fail to see a significant difference, perhaps there is a bigger 'error/failure' rate in either camp.
<br> <br>
CC.</htmltext>
<tokenext>the chinese are raising their children to have no criticla thinking skills , to be blind cottonheaded nationalistic robots The 'West ' are raising their children to have no critical thinking skills , to be blind , cotton-headed corporate robots .
I fail to see a significant difference , perhaps there is a bigger 'error/failure ' rate in either camp .
CC .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the chinese are raising their children to have no criticla thinking skills, to be blind cottonheaded nationalistic robots
 
The 'West' are raising their children to have no critical thinking skills, to be blind, cotton-headed corporate robots.
I fail to see a significant difference, perhaps there is a bigger 'error/failure' rate in either camp.
CC.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29841559</id>
	<title>Security?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256215020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>One point that has been little mentioned in these posts<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Why the hell do these companies have classified information accessible from public facing networks?  This kind of information should be available on internal networks only.</htmltext>
<tokenext>One point that has been little mentioned in these posts ... Why the hell do these companies have classified information accessible from public facing networks ?
This kind of information should be available on internal networks only .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One point that has been little mentioned in these posts ... Why the hell do these companies have classified information accessible from public facing networks?
This kind of information should be available on internal networks only.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29842259</id>
	<title>Re:there's a nice layer of deniability here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256224380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>LOL wow, you obviously have never been to China. I have, many many times. I have never noticed this level of censorship you report. You can buy Time magazine in many places, they also sell American newspapers in more touristy areas. I can read slashdot and use google on any number of wireless networks, as well as cnn.com and honestly have never even noticed major censorship.</p><p>Its not the evil monster the MEDIA makes it out to be, no more than the USSR was. Its just a country, doing its thing. Most people in China don't give a rats ass about the US, they see us as a fading dinosaur. They are perfectly content to live their lives as they have for generations. I've been to places in China where I was the first white person they had ever seen in person, big deal for about a minute then who gives a fuck. There is poverty, wealth, crime, everything you get anywhere in the world. Drugs, fancy cars, motorcycles, rock bands, bars, hookers, coffee shops, MCDONALDS, italian restaurants and xbox 360's.</p><p>Though they do have fancier cell phones. And not a very good appreciation for good european beer, thats hard to find.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>LOL wow , you obviously have never been to China .
I have , many many times .
I have never noticed this level of censorship you report .
You can buy Time magazine in many places , they also sell American newspapers in more touristy areas .
I can read slashdot and use google on any number of wireless networks , as well as cnn.com and honestly have never even noticed major censorship.Its not the evil monster the MEDIA makes it out to be , no more than the USSR was .
Its just a country , doing its thing .
Most people in China do n't give a rats ass about the US , they see us as a fading dinosaur .
They are perfectly content to live their lives as they have for generations .
I 've been to places in China where I was the first white person they had ever seen in person , big deal for about a minute then who gives a fuck .
There is poverty , wealth , crime , everything you get anywhere in the world .
Drugs , fancy cars , motorcycles , rock bands , bars , hookers , coffee shops , MCDONALDS , italian restaurants and xbox 360 's.Though they do have fancier cell phones .
And not a very good appreciation for good european beer , thats hard to find .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>LOL wow, you obviously have never been to China.
I have, many many times.
I have never noticed this level of censorship you report.
You can buy Time magazine in many places, they also sell American newspapers in more touristy areas.
I can read slashdot and use google on any number of wireless networks, as well as cnn.com and honestly have never even noticed major censorship.Its not the evil monster the MEDIA makes it out to be, no more than the USSR was.
Its just a country, doing its thing.
Most people in China don't give a rats ass about the US, they see us as a fading dinosaur.
They are perfectly content to live their lives as they have for generations.
I've been to places in China where I was the first white person they had ever seen in person, big deal for about a minute then who gives a fuck.
There is poverty, wealth, crime, everything you get anywhere in the world.
Drugs, fancy cars, motorcycles, rock bands, bars, hookers, coffee shops, MCDONALDS, italian restaurants and xbox 360's.Though they do have fancier cell phones.
And not a very good appreciation for good european beer, thats hard to find.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29836505</id>
	<title>Re:I'm SHOCKED, SHOCKED!..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256232360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Emerging</i> is no longer an appropriate adjective for China. They are most definitely a bonafide world power.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Emerging is no longer an appropriate adjective for China .
They are most definitely a bonafide world power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Emerging is no longer an appropriate adjective for China.
They are most definitely a bonafide world power.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29836007</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29836153</id>
	<title>Oh look,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256230620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>it's THIS thread again!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>it 's THIS thread again !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it's THIS thread again!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29838005</id>
	<title>Re:Let me be the first to say it:</title>
	<author>suso</author>
	<datestamp>1256238240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The notion that China is NOT doing the things they are accused of in this story is <b>utter and complete <i>bullshit</i><nobr> <wbr></nobr></b>.</p></div><p>I'll second, third and fourth that.  Either Wang Baodong is a complete idiot or he's just trying to cover things up.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The notion that China is NOT doing the things they are accused of in this story is utter and complete bullshit .I 'll second , third and fourth that .
Either Wang Baodong is a complete idiot or he 's just trying to cover things up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The notion that China is NOT doing the things they are accused of in this story is utter and complete bullshit .I'll second, third and fourth that.
Either Wang Baodong is a complete idiot or he's just trying to cover things up.
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29837091</id>
	<title>60s style revolution attempted in china already</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
	<datestamp>1256234700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>it ended in tiananmen square</p><p>the worst the us government came up with as a response to the 60s was kent state</p><p>there were (and are) plenty of command and control arrogant authoritarian assholes in the us government who were itching (and are itching) to go hardline on the 60s countercultural revolution and its political effects. luckily, they didn't prevail, and are still not prevailing. however, such authoritarian assholes are clearly prevailing in china</p><p>its really hard to put a flower in the tip of a national guardsman's rifle and make a potent image and political point when said gun is actively firing on you</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>it ended in tiananmen squarethe worst the us government came up with as a response to the 60s was kent statethere were ( and are ) plenty of command and control arrogant authoritarian assholes in the us government who were itching ( and are itching ) to go hardline on the 60s countercultural revolution and its political effects .
luckily , they did n't prevail , and are still not prevailing .
however , such authoritarian assholes are clearly prevailing in chinaits really hard to put a flower in the tip of a national guardsman 's rifle and make a potent image and political point when said gun is actively firing on you</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it ended in tiananmen squarethe worst the us government came up with as a response to the 60s was kent statethere were (and are) plenty of command and control arrogant authoritarian assholes in the us government who were itching (and are itching) to go hardline on the 60s countercultural revolution and its political effects.
luckily, they didn't prevail, and are still not prevailing.
however, such authoritarian assholes are clearly prevailing in chinaits really hard to put a flower in the tip of a national guardsman's rifle and make a potent image and political point when said gun is actively firing on you</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29836603</id>
	<title>Hype?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256232720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>US is the economical, technological and military superpower; there is no surprise that China, or any other country would be attempting to steal knowledge from them. However, the question is, do they actually succeed? Considering the advancement of the US, and that any medium to large enterprise will have dedicated IT staff to monitor and protect their network, I would be really surprised if most attempts were successful at all. There is certainly some breaches, but not at an alarming scale.</p><p>This study was contracted with Northrop Grumman Corporation, which is:<br>"Northrop Grumman Corporation (NYSE:NOC) is a leading global security company whose 120,000 employees provide innovative systems, products, and solutions in aerospace, electronics, information systems, shipbuilding and technical services to government and commercial customers worldwide."</p><p>How convenient would it be if the US government decide to invest billions in cyberspace protection.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>US is the economical , technological and military superpower ; there is no surprise that China , or any other country would be attempting to steal knowledge from them .
However , the question is , do they actually succeed ?
Considering the advancement of the US , and that any medium to large enterprise will have dedicated IT staff to monitor and protect their network , I would be really surprised if most attempts were successful at all .
There is certainly some breaches , but not at an alarming scale.This study was contracted with Northrop Grumman Corporation , which is : " Northrop Grumman Corporation ( NYSE : NOC ) is a leading global security company whose 120,000 employees provide innovative systems , products , and solutions in aerospace , electronics , information systems , shipbuilding and technical services to government and commercial customers worldwide .
" How convenient would it be if the US government decide to invest billions in cyberspace protection .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>US is the economical, technological and military superpower; there is no surprise that China, or any other country would be attempting to steal knowledge from them.
However, the question is, do they actually succeed?
Considering the advancement of the US, and that any medium to large enterprise will have dedicated IT staff to monitor and protect their network, I would be really surprised if most attempts were successful at all.
There is certainly some breaches, but not at an alarming scale.This study was contracted with Northrop Grumman Corporation, which is:"Northrop Grumman Corporation (NYSE:NOC) is a leading global security company whose 120,000 employees provide innovative systems, products, and solutions in aerospace, electronics, information systems, shipbuilding and technical services to government and commercial customers worldwide.
"How convenient would it be if the US government decide to invest billions in cyberspace protection.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29837843</id>
	<title>Re:Let me be the first to say it:</title>
	<author>metrix007</author>
	<datestamp>1256237580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sure, because you're in a position to know.</p><p>Personally, I'd be much more concerned with the US and having an illegal base in Cuba and kidnapping and detaining innocent people unlawfully.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure , because you 're in a position to know.Personally , I 'd be much more concerned with the US and having an illegal base in Cuba and kidnapping and detaining innocent people unlawfully .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure, because you're in a position to know.Personally, I'd be much more concerned with the US and having an illegal base in Cuba and kidnapping and detaining innocent people unlawfully.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29836661</id>
	<title>Re:there's a nice layer of deniability here</title>
	<author>CodeBuster</author>
	<datestamp>1256233020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>to be blind cottonheaded nationalistic robots</p></div><p>Who know how to handle a rifle and follow orders without question. Critical thinking may be indicative of greater cultural sophistication, but that didn't prevent Rome from being sacked by barbarians who, though lacking in culture, were handy with a sword.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>to be blind cottonheaded nationalistic robotsWho know how to handle a rifle and follow orders without question .
Critical thinking may be indicative of greater cultural sophistication , but that did n't prevent Rome from being sacked by barbarians who , though lacking in culture , were handy with a sword .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>to be blind cottonheaded nationalistic robotsWho know how to handle a rifle and follow orders without question.
Critical thinking may be indicative of greater cultural sophistication, but that didn't prevent Rome from being sacked by barbarians who, though lacking in culture, were handy with a sword.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29836607</id>
	<title>don't buy it</title>
	<author>petes\_PoV</author>
	<datestamp>1256232720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd expect the chinese internet censorship would severely limit the ability of "citizens" to gain access to restricted foreign web resources. At least those citizens who did not have special privileges, such as living in places like Hong Kong where the restrictions are less. Plus, the chinese authoritites monitor all their citizens' web usage, so a bit of freelance spying would be easily detectable (and would obviate the need to report finding to the government: they'd already know what a person had found, from monitoring that person's usage)<p>
 In fact hacking through a foreign governments secret, but badly secured websites could severely damage a citizen's health (fatally!) if it caused that website to improve it's security - thereby making it harder for the <b>real</b> spies to gain access.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd expect the chinese internet censorship would severely limit the ability of " citizens " to gain access to restricted foreign web resources .
At least those citizens who did not have special privileges , such as living in places like Hong Kong where the restrictions are less .
Plus , the chinese authoritites monitor all their citizens ' web usage , so a bit of freelance spying would be easily detectable ( and would obviate the need to report finding to the government : they 'd already know what a person had found , from monitoring that person 's usage ) In fact hacking through a foreign governments secret , but badly secured websites could severely damage a citizen 's health ( fatally !
) if it caused that website to improve it 's security - thereby making it harder for the real spies to gain access .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd expect the chinese internet censorship would severely limit the ability of "citizens" to gain access to restricted foreign web resources.
At least those citizens who did not have special privileges, such as living in places like Hong Kong where the restrictions are less.
Plus, the chinese authoritites monitor all their citizens' web usage, so a bit of freelance spying would be easily detectable (and would obviate the need to report finding to the government: they'd already know what a person had found, from monitoring that person's usage)
 In fact hacking through a foreign governments secret, but badly secured websites could severely damage a citizen's health (fatally!
) if it caused that website to improve it's security - thereby making it harder for the real spies to gain access.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29835949</id>
	<title>Checking</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256229720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>China is just checking to see where all it it's money is going.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>China is just checking to see where all it it 's money is going .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>China is just checking to see where all it it's money is going.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29836467</id>
	<title>Re:there's a nice layer of deniability here</title>
	<author>nomad-9</author>
	<datestamp>1256232240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"of course, by completely controlling media, the government is creating a population of robots who aren't thinking critically"
<p>
How is that worse than US media completely controlled by a handful of corporations outputting the same crap ? Do you really think that the US youth in its majority is capable of critical thinking? Are you capable of critical thought ? Because your "blind cottonheaded nationalistic robots" comment is way too simplistic and does not speak in your favor.
</p><p>
Have you ever considered that it is precisely ultra-nationalism and "tribalism" that could actually help China be the next superpower and crush the competition? I guess not.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" of course , by completely controlling media , the government is creating a population of robots who are n't thinking critically " How is that worse than US media completely controlled by a handful of corporations outputting the same crap ?
Do you really think that the US youth in its majority is capable of critical thinking ?
Are you capable of critical thought ?
Because your " blind cottonheaded nationalistic robots " comment is way too simplistic and does not speak in your favor .
Have you ever considered that it is precisely ultra-nationalism and " tribalism " that could actually help China be the next superpower and crush the competition ?
I guess not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"of course, by completely controlling media, the government is creating a population of robots who aren't thinking critically"

How is that worse than US media completely controlled by a handful of corporations outputting the same crap ?
Do you really think that the US youth in its majority is capable of critical thinking?
Are you capable of critical thought ?
Because your "blind cottonheaded nationalistic robots" comment is way too simplistic and does not speak in your favor.
Have you ever considered that it is precisely ultra-nationalism and "tribalism" that could actually help China be the next superpower and crush the competition?
I guess not.
</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29836091</id>
	<title>Northrop Grumman</title>
	<author>royallthefourth</author>
	<datestamp>1256230380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>A military contractor wrote a report making a foreign power look like a military threat.<br> <br>I don't doubt China is spying here, electronically and otherwise. However, it seems like a conflict of interest to have someone who would benefit from escalated military production evaluating our military needs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A military contractor wrote a report making a foreign power look like a military threat .
I do n't doubt China is spying here , electronically and otherwise .
However , it seems like a conflict of interest to have someone who would benefit from escalated military production evaluating our military needs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A military contractor wrote a report making a foreign power look like a military threat.
I don't doubt China is spying here, electronically and otherwise.
However, it seems like a conflict of interest to have someone who would benefit from escalated military production evaluating our military needs.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29841259</id>
	<title>Re:This happened at my company...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256212920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lies, damned lies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lies , damned lies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lies, damned lies.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29836499</id>
	<title>Re:I'm SHOCKED, SHOCKED!..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256232360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It needs to be made news because legislation and funding are best fueled by outrage. You don't want a campaign slowed down by tedious discussions of proportional response, and enforcement of basic known security practices that industry &amp; gov are so lax about. Expect to hear a lot more.</p><p>Worth noting that Grumman's long-time competitor <a href="http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/10/16/1614205/Lockheed-Snags-31-Million-To-Reinvent-the-Internet-Microsoft-To-Help" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">Lockheed</a> [slashdot.org] just won a related contract.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It needs to be made news because legislation and funding are best fueled by outrage .
You do n't want a campaign slowed down by tedious discussions of proportional response , and enforcement of basic known security practices that industry &amp; gov are so lax about .
Expect to hear a lot more.Worth noting that Grumman 's long-time competitor Lockheed [ slashdot.org ] just won a related contract .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It needs to be made news because legislation and funding are best fueled by outrage.
You don't want a campaign slowed down by tedious discussions of proportional response, and enforcement of basic known security practices that industry &amp; gov are so lax about.
Expect to hear a lot more.Worth noting that Grumman's long-time competitor Lockheed [slashdot.org] just won a related contract.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1333241.29840433</id>
	<title>The Chinese are such liars!</title>
	<author>Bitmaniac0101</author>
	<datestamp>1256207640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>These Chinese types really think for one minute that nobody knows that Chinese Intelligence hasnt been trying to hack or successfully hacking into Corporations networks ? What a bunch of liars! I have worked as a security engineer at some very large Corps in silicon valley and let me inform those that may or may not already know that we had traced IPs belonging to several govt agencies probing and eventually trying to infiltrate our networks ! Thats how bold they are. They wont go to an area that has a IP address belonging to Ma jung a.k.a average Joe but rather right out of there Govt run networks ! But then again we are dealing with a govt that cant develop there own supercomputer on there own without Bill Clinton giving them a few.  The Chinese govt is such a Tool.</htmltext>
<tokenext>These Chinese types really think for one minute that nobody knows that Chinese Intelligence hasnt been trying to hack or successfully hacking into Corporations networks ?
What a bunch of liars !
I have worked as a security engineer at some very large Corps in silicon valley and let me inform those that may or may not already know that we had traced IPs belonging to several govt agencies probing and eventually trying to infiltrate our networks !
Thats how bold they are .
They wont go to an area that has a IP address belonging to Ma jung a.k.a average Joe but rather right out of there Govt run networks !
But then again we are dealing with a govt that cant develop there own supercomputer on there own without Bill Clinton giving them a few .
The Chinese govt is such a Tool .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These Chinese types really think for one minute that nobody knows that Chinese Intelligence hasnt been trying to hack or successfully hacking into Corporations networks ?
What a bunch of liars!
I have worked as a security engineer at some very large Corps in silicon valley and let me inform those that may or may not already know that we had traced IPs belonging to several govt agencies probing and eventually trying to infiltrate our networks !
Thats how bold they are.
They wont go to an area that has a IP address belonging to Ma jung a.k.a average Joe but rather right out of there Govt run networks !
But then again we are dealing with a govt that cant develop there own supercomputer on there own without Bill Clinton giving them a few.
The Chinese govt is such a Tool.</sentencetext>
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