<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_10_21_141206</id>
	<title>Metasploit Project Sold To Rapid7</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1256137620000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>ancientribe writes <i>"The wildly popular, open-source <a href="http://www.darkreading.com/vulnerability\_management/security/management/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=220800067">Metasploit penetration testing tool project has been sold to Rapid7</a>, a vulnerability management vendor, paving the way for a commercial version of Metasploit to eventually hit the market. HD Moore, creator of Metasploit, was hired by Rapid7 and <a href="http://blog.metasploit.com/2009/10/metasploit-rising.html">will continue heading up the project</a>. This is big news for the indie Metasploit Project, which now gets full-time resources. Moore says this will translate into faster turnaround for new features. Just what a commercial Metasploit product will look like is still in the works, but Rapid7 expects to keep the Metasploit penetration testing tool as a separate product with 'high integration' into Rapid7's vulnerability management products."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>ancientribe writes " The wildly popular , open-source Metasploit penetration testing tool project has been sold to Rapid7 , a vulnerability management vendor , paving the way for a commercial version of Metasploit to eventually hit the market .
HD Moore , creator of Metasploit , was hired by Rapid7 and will continue heading up the project .
This is big news for the indie Metasploit Project , which now gets full-time resources .
Moore says this will translate into faster turnaround for new features .
Just what a commercial Metasploit product will look like is still in the works , but Rapid7 expects to keep the Metasploit penetration testing tool as a separate product with 'high integration ' into Rapid7 's vulnerability management products .
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<sentencetext>ancientribe writes "The wildly popular, open-source Metasploit penetration testing tool project has been sold to Rapid7, a vulnerability management vendor, paving the way for a commercial version of Metasploit to eventually hit the market.
HD Moore, creator of Metasploit, was hired by Rapid7 and will continue heading up the project.
This is big news for the indie Metasploit Project, which now gets full-time resources.
Moore says this will translate into faster turnaround for new features.
Just what a commercial Metasploit product will look like is still in the works, but Rapid7 expects to keep the Metasploit penetration testing tool as a separate product with 'high integration' into Rapid7's vulnerability management products.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_141206.29824453</id>
	<title>Re:How does one buy an open source program?</title>
	<author>Tanktalus</author>
	<datestamp>1256144940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If I am the author of a piece of work, I may choose to offer it to the general public under a license, say GPL, LGPL, Creative Commons, whatever.  But, say someone with more cash than brains comes along and doesn't want those licenses.  In exchange for some consideration (usually cash), I may choose to offer the same code, which I own the copyright to, to them under a different license.  Simple.</p><p>In this case, it appears that, in exchange for some consideration (probably cash, but also a job), the author chose to SELL that copyright to a third party (Rapid7) and give up further claims to the code.  This does not remove anyone else's rights to the code prior to the purchase, though it may not offer future updates under the old licenses (or it may, that's up to the new copyright owner).</p><p>In exchange, the original author gets a) a job, and b) the ability to work full time on the code base he's passionate about.  And probably some cash.</p><p>As to other contributors - that all depends.  If the license doesn't change, then no compensation is required.  If they turn around and try to add additional licenses, then it may get sticky (e.g., a binary-only license so they can embed it, or LGPL so they can derive from it or whatever).</p><p>To all that I add: IANAL.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I am the author of a piece of work , I may choose to offer it to the general public under a license , say GPL , LGPL , Creative Commons , whatever .
But , say someone with more cash than brains comes along and does n't want those licenses .
In exchange for some consideration ( usually cash ) , I may choose to offer the same code , which I own the copyright to , to them under a different license .
Simple.In this case , it appears that , in exchange for some consideration ( probably cash , but also a job ) , the author chose to SELL that copyright to a third party ( Rapid7 ) and give up further claims to the code .
This does not remove anyone else 's rights to the code prior to the purchase , though it may not offer future updates under the old licenses ( or it may , that 's up to the new copyright owner ) .In exchange , the original author gets a ) a job , and b ) the ability to work full time on the code base he 's passionate about .
And probably some cash.As to other contributors - that all depends .
If the license does n't change , then no compensation is required .
If they turn around and try to add additional licenses , then it may get sticky ( e.g. , a binary-only license so they can embed it , or LGPL so they can derive from it or whatever ) .To all that I add : IANAL .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I am the author of a piece of work, I may choose to offer it to the general public under a license, say GPL, LGPL, Creative Commons, whatever.
But, say someone with more cash than brains comes along and doesn't want those licenses.
In exchange for some consideration (usually cash), I may choose to offer the same code, which I own the copyright to, to them under a different license.
Simple.In this case, it appears that, in exchange for some consideration (probably cash, but also a job), the author chose to SELL that copyright to a third party (Rapid7) and give up further claims to the code.
This does not remove anyone else's rights to the code prior to the purchase, though it may not offer future updates under the old licenses (or it may, that's up to the new copyright owner).In exchange, the original author gets a) a job, and b) the ability to work full time on the code base he's passionate about.
And probably some cash.As to other contributors - that all depends.
If the license doesn't change, then no compensation is required.
If they turn around and try to add additional licenses, then it may get sticky (e.g., a binary-only license so they can embed it, or LGPL so they can derive from it or whatever).To all that I add: IANAL.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_141206.29824627</id>
	<title>Re:How does one buy an open source program?</title>
	<author>solevita</author>
	<datestamp>1256145840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Fork it if you don't want to go corporate; plenty of people did that when MySQL went to Sun.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Fork it if you do n't want to go corporate ; plenty of people did that when MySQL went to Sun .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fork it if you don't want to go corporate; plenty of people did that when MySQL went to Sun.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_141206.29824897</id>
	<title>Re:A great way to ruin a good resource</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256146980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm a customer, but do NOT have this problem.  They had the best price compared to others, and were willing to deal heavily to get my employer's name in their list, which I won't disclose here, per company policy (so I reckon anyone smart will take that with a grain of salt when I claim I'm a customer and not with Rapid7, but it's true).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a customer , but do NOT have this problem .
They had the best price compared to others , and were willing to deal heavily to get my employer 's name in their list , which I wo n't disclose here , per company policy ( so I reckon anyone smart will take that with a grain of salt when I claim I 'm a customer and not with Rapid7 , but it 's true ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a customer, but do NOT have this problem.
They had the best price compared to others, and were willing to deal heavily to get my employer's name in their list, which I won't disclose here, per company policy (so I reckon anyone smart will take that with a grain of salt when I claim I'm a customer and not with Rapid7, but it's true).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_141206.29824603</id>
	<title>Re:How does one buy an open source program?</title>
	<author>wastedlife</author>
	<datestamp>1256145660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The name of the project is normally trademarked by someone. While somebody can take the open code and fork it under a different name (IceWeasel, for example), they cannot call the fork by the trademarked name (Firefox, for the previous example). Also, the code is still copyrighted by its owners, BSD or GPL are just licenses for what you are allowed to do with the code. In some cases that I have seen (I believe QT does this), the owner of the trademark will require contributors to assign copyright of their contributions to the trademark holder. That way they can get away with dual licensing without needing to work out the other license with the contributors. I am more familiar with GPL licenses, so some of what I said may apply slightly differently for BSD licensed code like MetaSploit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The name of the project is normally trademarked by someone .
While somebody can take the open code and fork it under a different name ( IceWeasel , for example ) , they can not call the fork by the trademarked name ( Firefox , for the previous example ) .
Also , the code is still copyrighted by its owners , BSD or GPL are just licenses for what you are allowed to do with the code .
In some cases that I have seen ( I believe QT does this ) , the owner of the trademark will require contributors to assign copyright of their contributions to the trademark holder .
That way they can get away with dual licensing without needing to work out the other license with the contributors .
I am more familiar with GPL licenses , so some of what I said may apply slightly differently for BSD licensed code like MetaSploit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The name of the project is normally trademarked by someone.
While somebody can take the open code and fork it under a different name (IceWeasel, for example), they cannot call the fork by the trademarked name (Firefox, for the previous example).
Also, the code is still copyrighted by its owners, BSD or GPL are just licenses for what you are allowed to do with the code.
In some cases that I have seen (I believe QT does this), the owner of the trademark will require contributors to assign copyright of their contributions to the trademark holder.
That way they can get away with dual licensing without needing to work out the other license with the contributors.
I am more familiar with GPL licenses, so some of what I said may apply slightly differently for BSD licensed code like MetaSploit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_141206.29823861</id>
	<title>Opensource tool</title>
	<author>Icegryphon</author>
	<datestamp>1256142300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sold to a company, What wut!?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sold to a company , What wut !
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sold to a company, What wut!
?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_141206.29823705</id>
	<title>Wow</title>
	<author>Yvan256</author>
	<datestamp>1256141280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Even names are in high-definition these days.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even names are in high-definition these days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even names are in high-definition these days.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_141206.29823763</id>
	<title>damn script kidddies</title>
	<author>conspirator57</author>
	<datestamp>1256141640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>get off my lawn.</p><p>In my day we had to use smoke signals to exploit a neighbor's abacus.  And you know what, we liked it.</p><p>Now you have your fancy audio couplers and wireless networks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>get off my lawn.In my day we had to use smoke signals to exploit a neighbor 's abacus .
And you know what , we liked it.Now you have your fancy audio couplers and wireless networks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>get off my lawn.In my day we had to use smoke signals to exploit a neighbor's abacus.
And you know what, we liked it.Now you have your fancy audio couplers and wireless networks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_141206.29825013</id>
	<title>"penetration testing"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256147520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bull-fucking-shit. It's used mainly by crackers to comprise websites. Fuck this tool and fuck the arrogant script kiddies padding their resumes with it. This software has no legitimate purpose.</p><p>Yea, penetration testing, right. That line makes sense when simply checking for poor configurations. How the fuck does exploiting a host help? Is there a patch? Then it would have already been updated. Are you going to make your own patch? No, of course not. This software has no legitimate purpose.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bull-fucking-shit .
It 's used mainly by crackers to comprise websites .
Fuck this tool and fuck the arrogant script kiddies padding their resumes with it .
This software has no legitimate purpose.Yea , penetration testing , right .
That line makes sense when simply checking for poor configurations .
How the fuck does exploiting a host help ?
Is there a patch ?
Then it would have already been updated .
Are you going to make your own patch ?
No , of course not .
This software has no legitimate purpose .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bull-fucking-shit.
It's used mainly by crackers to comprise websites.
Fuck this tool and fuck the arrogant script kiddies padding their resumes with it.
This software has no legitimate purpose.Yea, penetration testing, right.
That line makes sense when simply checking for poor configurations.
How the fuck does exploiting a host help?
Is there a patch?
Then it would have already been updated.
Are you going to make your own patch?
No, of course not.
This software has no legitimate purpose.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_141206.29824075</id>
	<title>Great - Now We Can Use Metasploit  !</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256143260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>to penetrate the N.S.A's data mining project hosted by<br><a href="http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/10/20/1731228/Google-Envisions-10-Million-Servers" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">Google's 10 million servers</a> [slashdot.org].</p><p>Yours In Ashgabat,<br>K. Trout</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>to penetrate the N.S.A 's data mining project hosted byGoogle 's 10 million servers [ slashdot.org ] .Yours In Ashgabat,K .
Trout</tokentext>
<sentencetext>to penetrate the N.S.A's data mining project hosted byGoogle's 10 million servers [slashdot.org].Yours In Ashgabat,K.
Trout</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_141206.29828153</id>
	<title>Re:"penetration testing"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256116980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I work for a hundred million dollar company that makes a substantial portion of its income doing "legitimate" penetration testing.</p><p>Our customers are Fortune 500 companies and the like.</p><p>It's a very useful toolset.</p><p>You would be surprised how many times a week I hear this story:</p><p><b>Security Admin:</b>  Upper management doesn't understand the risk these vulnerabilities pose and we can't get funding to get it fixed.  We need it demonstrated through videos and screenshots, exactly what sort of damage can be done by a single attacker given 1 week to exploit this application.</p><p>So, we pop the app and create a presentation littered with examples of what might happen.</p><p>Then security gets funding and the bad guy doesn't get his way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I work for a hundred million dollar company that makes a substantial portion of its income doing " legitimate " penetration testing.Our customers are Fortune 500 companies and the like.It 's a very useful toolset.You would be surprised how many times a week I hear this story : Security Admin : Upper management does n't understand the risk these vulnerabilities pose and we ca n't get funding to get it fixed .
We need it demonstrated through videos and screenshots , exactly what sort of damage can be done by a single attacker given 1 week to exploit this application.So , we pop the app and create a presentation littered with examples of what might happen.Then security gets funding and the bad guy does n't get his way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work for a hundred million dollar company that makes a substantial portion of its income doing "legitimate" penetration testing.Our customers are Fortune 500 companies and the like.It's a very useful toolset.You would be surprised how many times a week I hear this story:Security Admin:  Upper management doesn't understand the risk these vulnerabilities pose and we can't get funding to get it fixed.
We need it demonstrated through videos and screenshots, exactly what sort of damage can be done by a single attacker given 1 week to exploit this application.So, we pop the app and create a presentation littered with examples of what might happen.Then security gets funding and the bad guy doesn't get his way.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_141206.29824419</id>
	<title>Re:How does one buy an open source program?</title>
	<author>Nursie</author>
	<datestamp>1256144820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Depends on the project.</p><p>If the copyright for metasploit belongs solely to one person, or to a small enough group, then they can sell that on to the company, dependant on what they link to and the licenses used there. I.E. QT was  available to purchase and nokia bought the company and the IP there.</p><p>They could, if they bought all the copyrights from all the right people, start producing closed source versions. They could also employ all the devs involved and take ownership of the trademark. At that point they have effectively bought metasploit.</p><p>What they can't do is rescind the previous license. It's something that's been tried once or twice but it's a nonsense. If they gave away the source under BSD or GPL or similar F/OSS license then it's out there and the community will always be able to use that version and develop it further, under the same (or different if the company took the TM) name.</p><p>Hopefully things won't get that far and the source will continue to flow, but who knows.</p><p>Anyway, no, you're not naive, buying <b>and closing</b> this stuff requires permission from and probably compensation to all contributors and is only logistically possible on projects where there aren't many of them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Depends on the project.If the copyright for metasploit belongs solely to one person , or to a small enough group , then they can sell that on to the company , dependant on what they link to and the licenses used there .
I.E. QT was available to purchase and nokia bought the company and the IP there.They could , if they bought all the copyrights from all the right people , start producing closed source versions .
They could also employ all the devs involved and take ownership of the trademark .
At that point they have effectively bought metasploit.What they ca n't do is rescind the previous license .
It 's something that 's been tried once or twice but it 's a nonsense .
If they gave away the source under BSD or GPL or similar F/OSS license then it 's out there and the community will always be able to use that version and develop it further , under the same ( or different if the company took the TM ) name.Hopefully things wo n't get that far and the source will continue to flow , but who knows.Anyway , no , you 're not naive , buying and closing this stuff requires permission from and probably compensation to all contributors and is only logistically possible on projects where there are n't many of them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Depends on the project.If the copyright for metasploit belongs solely to one person, or to a small enough group, then they can sell that on to the company, dependant on what they link to and the licenses used there.
I.E. QT was  available to purchase and nokia bought the company and the IP there.They could, if they bought all the copyrights from all the right people, start producing closed source versions.
They could also employ all the devs involved and take ownership of the trademark.
At that point they have effectively bought metasploit.What they can't do is rescind the previous license.
It's something that's been tried once or twice but it's a nonsense.
If they gave away the source under BSD or GPL or similar F/OSS license then it's out there and the community will always be able to use that version and develop it further, under the same (or different if the company took the TM) name.Hopefully things won't get that far and the source will continue to flow, but who knows.Anyway, no, you're not naive, buying and closing this stuff requires permission from and probably compensation to all contributors and is only logistically possible on projects where there aren't many of them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_141206.29828347</id>
	<title>Re:damn script kidddies</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256117760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And what are you doing telling people to get off your parent's lawn</p></div><p>He has more than one parent, you insensitive clod!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And what are you doing telling people to get off your parent 's lawnHe has more than one parent , you insensitive clod !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And what are you doing telling people to get off your parent's lawnHe has more than one parent, you insensitive clod!
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_141206.29825971</id>
	<title>Re:A great way to ruin a good resource</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256151180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Just what a commercial Metasploit product will look like is still in the works</p></div><p>I'm going to bet that it'll look like a several hundred dollar pricetag that puts it out of reach of many users of the original project and at least 4 figures for use in enterprise with the most basic support tier.</p><p>Call me pessimistic, but when fairly unique security tools are commercial projects this is almost always what the pricing looks like.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just what a commercial Metasploit product will look like is still in the worksI 'm going to bet that it 'll look like a several hundred dollar pricetag that puts it out of reach of many users of the original project and at least 4 figures for use in enterprise with the most basic support tier.Call me pessimistic , but when fairly unique security tools are commercial projects this is almost always what the pricing looks like .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just what a commercial Metasploit product will look like is still in the worksI'm going to bet that it'll look like a several hundred dollar pricetag that puts it out of reach of many users of the original project and at least 4 figures for use in enterprise with the most basic support tier.Call me pessimistic, but when fairly unique security tools are commercial projects this is almost always what the pricing looks like.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_141206.29824049</id>
	<title>A great way to ruin a good resource</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256143140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Rapid7, who are incredible jerks at least in terms of aggressive cold-call sales people.  There are periodic rounds of complaining about them on one of the lists I'm on.  We can't stand those guys.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Rapid7 , who are incredible jerks at least in terms of aggressive cold-call sales people .
There are periodic rounds of complaining about them on one of the lists I 'm on .
We ca n't stand those guys .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rapid7, who are incredible jerks at least in terms of aggressive cold-call sales people.
There are periodic rounds of complaining about them on one of the lists I'm on.
We can't stand those guys.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_141206.29824481</id>
	<title>Re:How does one buy an open source program?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256145060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I read it as the company bought future development, which will be closed.  You can't close development that's already open, but you can use that existing development in a commercial product, provided you satisfy th licensing of it.
<br>
<br>
In other words, this will be a closed fork.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I read it as the company bought future development , which will be closed .
You ca n't close development that 's already open , but you can use that existing development in a commercial product , provided you satisfy th licensing of it .
In other words , this will be a closed fork .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I read it as the company bought future development, which will be closed.
You can't close development that's already open, but you can use that existing development in a commercial product, provided you satisfy th licensing of it.
In other words, this will be a closed fork.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_141206.29823715</id>
	<title>CollectiveCommercial</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256141400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.collectivecommercial.com/index.aspx?lang=en" title="collectivecommercial.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.collectivecommercial.com</a> [collectivecommercial.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.collectivecommercial.com [ collectivecommercial.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.collectivecommercial.com [collectivecommercial.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_141206.29825713</id>
	<title>Re:"penetration testing"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256150220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It's used mainly by crackers to comprise websites. Fuck this tool and fuck the arrogant script kiddies padding their resumes with it. This software has no legitimate purpose.</p></div><p>Sounds like the righteous anger of someone who left some back doors open for a few script kiddies in his time, and got burned by it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's used mainly by crackers to comprise websites .
Fuck this tool and fuck the arrogant script kiddies padding their resumes with it .
This software has no legitimate purpose.Sounds like the righteous anger of someone who left some back doors open for a few script kiddies in his time , and got burned by it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's used mainly by crackers to comprise websites.
Fuck this tool and fuck the arrogant script kiddies padding their resumes with it.
This software has no legitimate purpose.Sounds like the righteous anger of someone who left some back doors open for a few script kiddies in his time, and got burned by it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_141206.29824073</id>
	<title>Lawsuits?</title>
	<author>supervillain</author>
	<datestamp>1256143260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Now that this software is run by a company with assets what are risk that they will get sued out of existence by some company who wrote bad code?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now that this software is run by a company with assets what are risk that they will get sued out of existence by some company who wrote bad code ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now that this software is run by a company with assets what are risk that they will get sued out of existence by some company who wrote bad code?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_141206.29824425</id>
	<title>Re:How does one buy an open source program?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256144820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If the author requires the copyright of any patches submitted to be attributed to him as a condition of including them then the author (or maybe a separate entity that the author controls) owns the copyright outright.  In this way when a company comes to them and says will you sell us the copyright (okay transfer) they can.  However, this does not remove the existing GPLed or BSDed versions from the world, it just allows the new owners to develop the project outside those licenses.  Others are free to fork and honestly some very nice new owners actually pay the devs they hired (as a condition of the sale often) to merge back in many of their closed improvements into the open source version (i.e. the author continues to work on both versions).  Some companies don't do that of course and some even do shady things that probably don't hold up under copyright, but hiring the lead dev is usually a good sign so unless you know the company is a bunch of jerks then give it some time and see.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the author requires the copyright of any patches submitted to be attributed to him as a condition of including them then the author ( or maybe a separate entity that the author controls ) owns the copyright outright .
In this way when a company comes to them and says will you sell us the copyright ( okay transfer ) they can .
However , this does not remove the existing GPLed or BSDed versions from the world , it just allows the new owners to develop the project outside those licenses .
Others are free to fork and honestly some very nice new owners actually pay the devs they hired ( as a condition of the sale often ) to merge back in many of their closed improvements into the open source version ( i.e .
the author continues to work on both versions ) .
Some companies do n't do that of course and some even do shady things that probably do n't hold up under copyright , but hiring the lead dev is usually a good sign so unless you know the company is a bunch of jerks then give it some time and see .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the author requires the copyright of any patches submitted to be attributed to him as a condition of including them then the author (or maybe a separate entity that the author controls) owns the copyright outright.
In this way when a company comes to them and says will you sell us the copyright (okay transfer) they can.
However, this does not remove the existing GPLed or BSDed versions from the world, it just allows the new owners to develop the project outside those licenses.
Others are free to fork and honestly some very nice new owners actually pay the devs they hired (as a condition of the sale often) to merge back in many of their closed improvements into the open source version (i.e.
the author continues to work on both versions).
Some companies don't do that of course and some even do shady things that probably don't hold up under copyright, but hiring the lead dev is usually a good sign so unless you know the company is a bunch of jerks then give it some time and see.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_141206.29824761</id>
	<title>Re:How does one buy an open source program?</title>
	<author>cachimaster</author>
	<datestamp>1256146500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sun basically bought apt-get when it hired the guy that created it. Now it's integrated in OpenSolaris.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sun basically bought apt-get when it hired the guy that created it .
Now it 's integrated in OpenSolaris .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sun basically bought apt-get when it hired the guy that created it.
Now it's integrated in OpenSolaris.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_141206.29827453</id>
	<title>Legal minefield</title>
	<author>n3td3v</author>
	<datestamp>1256157300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There will be a legal minefield now that a big company with lot's of money owns Metasploit now. I mean the Metasploit web site doesn't even have a privacy policy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There will be a legal minefield now that a big company with lot 's of money owns Metasploit now .
I mean the Metasploit web site does n't even have a privacy policy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There will be a legal minefield now that a big company with lot's of money owns Metasploit now.
I mean the Metasploit web site doesn't even have a privacy policy.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_141206.29824659</id>
	<title>Re:A great way to ruin a good resource</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256145960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They call me every other day.  It is generally the same person for a few days and then I get a new person the next week.  I have repeatedly informed them we would never do business with their company based on sales tactics alone.  I also ask every time to be placed on their do not call list.  I have also contacted our accounting/purchasing team to never do business with Rapid7 or pay any invoices they submit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They call me every other day .
It is generally the same person for a few days and then I get a new person the next week .
I have repeatedly informed them we would never do business with their company based on sales tactics alone .
I also ask every time to be placed on their do not call list .
I have also contacted our accounting/purchasing team to never do business with Rapid7 or pay any invoices they submit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They call me every other day.
It is generally the same person for a few days and then I get a new person the next week.
I have repeatedly informed them we would never do business with their company based on sales tactics alone.
I also ask every time to be placed on their do not call list.
I have also contacted our accounting/purchasing team to never do business with Rapid7 or pay any invoices they submit.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_141206.29824125</id>
	<title>Re:damn script kidddies</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256143440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I suppose you thought that was funny, which is rather pathetic. And what are you doing telling people to get off your parent's lawn when you're dwelling like some sort of a malformed mutant in their basement, anyway?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I suppose you thought that was funny , which is rather pathetic .
And what are you doing telling people to get off your parent 's lawn when you 're dwelling like some sort of a malformed mutant in their basement , anyway ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suppose you thought that was funny, which is rather pathetic.
And what are you doing telling people to get off your parent's lawn when you're dwelling like some sort of a malformed mutant in their basement, anyway?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_141206.29824447</id>
	<title>Re:A great way to ruin a good resource</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256144880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I interviewed with Rapid7 for a software development position, and I too can attest to the fact that the company seems to be full of jerks.  I was essentailly pressured to accept a position before being provided with any salary or benefits information - because those are just "minor details"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>Also the sales team was running laps around the office.  It looked like a frat house.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I interviewed with Rapid7 for a software development position , and I too can attest to the fact that the company seems to be full of jerks .
I was essentailly pressured to accept a position before being provided with any salary or benefits information - because those are just " minor details " ...Also the sales team was running laps around the office .
It looked like a frat house .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I interviewed with Rapid7 for a software development position, and I too can attest to the fact that the company seems to be full of jerks.
I was essentailly pressured to accept a position before being provided with any salary or benefits information - because those are just "minor details" ...Also the sales team was running laps around the office.
It looked like a frat house.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_141206.29827999</id>
	<title>Re:"penetration testing"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256116500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whiny bitch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whiny bitch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whiny bitch.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_141206.29824527</id>
	<title>Re:How does one buy an open source program?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256145300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>According to the website, Rapid7 bought the trademarks, the website, and "rights to the Metasploit Framework", the current version of which "was originally developed by Metasploit LLC and is made available for use by Rapid7 under the 3-clause BSD license."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>According to the website , Rapid7 bought the trademarks , the website , and " rights to the Metasploit Framework " , the current version of which " was originally developed by Metasploit LLC and is made available for use by Rapid7 under the 3-clause BSD license .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to the website, Rapid7 bought the trademarks, the website, and "rights to the Metasploit Framework", the current version of which "was originally developed by Metasploit LLC and is made available for use by Rapid7 under the 3-clause BSD license.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_141206.29824201</id>
	<title>How does one buy an open source program?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256143800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd like to buy sendmail and apt-get.  How much would those two cost me?
<br>
<br>
I am not clear on how open-source projects get "sold" to commercial entities.  I understand how companies can <b>use</b> open source but I don't understand how companies buy and sell open-source programs.
<br>
<br>
Can someone smarter than me lay out, in business terms, how this works?  Was Metasploit a corporation?  If so, what kind?  Was it an S-corp?  C-Corp?  LLC?  LLP?  What were the mechanics of the sale?  What approvals were needed from what stakeholders?  etc, etc.   Basically, I want to know about the buyers and the sellers and less about the actual product.
<br>
<br>
It seems odd to me that "someone" would benefit financially by selling the work of an open-source program.  Wouldn't you need to compensate all contributors (which I am sure is a nightmare)?   If not, I am in the wrong biz.  Instead, I should start an open-source program, get other people to contribute, and then sell it for my own personal gain.
<br>
<br>
I could be wrong but I don't think that is allowed, right?  So how does all this work?  Or am I hopelessly naive?....</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd like to buy sendmail and apt-get .
How much would those two cost me ?
I am not clear on how open-source projects get " sold " to commercial entities .
I understand how companies can use open source but I do n't understand how companies buy and sell open-source programs .
Can someone smarter than me lay out , in business terms , how this works ?
Was Metasploit a corporation ?
If so , what kind ?
Was it an S-corp ?
C-Corp ? LLC ?
LLP ? What were the mechanics of the sale ?
What approvals were needed from what stakeholders ?
etc , etc .
Basically , I want to know about the buyers and the sellers and less about the actual product .
It seems odd to me that " someone " would benefit financially by selling the work of an open-source program .
Would n't you need to compensate all contributors ( which I am sure is a nightmare ) ?
If not , I am in the wrong biz .
Instead , I should start an open-source program , get other people to contribute , and then sell it for my own personal gain .
I could be wrong but I do n't think that is allowed , right ?
So how does all this work ?
Or am I hopelessly naive ? ... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd like to buy sendmail and apt-get.
How much would those two cost me?
I am not clear on how open-source projects get "sold" to commercial entities.
I understand how companies can use open source but I don't understand how companies buy and sell open-source programs.
Can someone smarter than me lay out, in business terms, how this works?
Was Metasploit a corporation?
If so, what kind?
Was it an S-corp?
C-Corp?  LLC?
LLP?  What were the mechanics of the sale?
What approvals were needed from what stakeholders?
etc, etc.
Basically, I want to know about the buyers and the sellers and less about the actual product.
It seems odd to me that "someone" would benefit financially by selling the work of an open-source program.
Wouldn't you need to compensate all contributors (which I am sure is a nightmare)?
If not, I am in the wrong biz.
Instead, I should start an open-source program, get other people to contribute, and then sell it for my own personal gain.
I could be wrong but I don't think that is allowed, right?
So how does all this work?
Or am I hopelessly naive?....</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_141206.29829479</id>
	<title>mfod 0p</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256123340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">of th$e founders 0f of America (GNAA)</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>of th $ e founders 0f of America ( GNAA ) [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>of th$e founders 0f of America (GNAA) [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_141206.29824327</id>
	<title>Re:A great way to ruin a good resource</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256144340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree. I had those dbags call me just yesterday.</p><p>Them: "Do you have any money for upcoming security projects?"</p><p>Me: "No." (As if I'd tell a cold caller what we were doing.)</p><p>Them: "In that case, I'm done with you."</p><p>Avoid these people if at all possible. If this is how they treat customers on the front end, I hate to see how support and/or contract issues are resolved. I went so far as to blacklist their domain so they can't send meeting notices to my boss.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree .
I had those dbags call me just yesterday.Them : " Do you have any money for upcoming security projects ?
" Me : " No .
" ( As if I 'd tell a cold caller what we were doing .
) Them : " In that case , I 'm done with you .
" Avoid these people if at all possible .
If this is how they treat customers on the front end , I hate to see how support and/or contract issues are resolved .
I went so far as to blacklist their domain so they ca n't send meeting notices to my boss .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree.
I had those dbags call me just yesterday.Them: "Do you have any money for upcoming security projects?
"Me: "No.
" (As if I'd tell a cold caller what we were doing.
)Them: "In that case, I'm done with you.
"Avoid these people if at all possible.
If this is how they treat customers on the front end, I hate to see how support and/or contract issues are resolved.
I went so far as to blacklist their domain so they can't send meeting notices to my boss.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_141206.29824665</id>
	<title>Re:How does one buy an open source program?</title>
	<author>MadnessASAP</author>
	<datestamp>1256145960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well it depends on how you define open source.  If it's simply a program that you distribute the soruce code along with it then it's quite easy, you simply sell the ownership/license the code to somebody else since you presumably own all the code this isn't a problem.  Similarly with projects that do have 3rd party developers you can stipulate that they relinquish ownership of any contributions they make to the project to you or whatever organization happens to be managing the project.  Where it gets tricky is when you have projects where anybody could contribute but you haven't put in the aforementioned stipulations, at that point you need to track down every contributor and ask for their permission to relicense/sell their code if they say no you either have to replace their code or fork the project to include only code that you DO have permission to sell.</p><p>At least that's how I remember it working I may be way off base here though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well it depends on how you define open source .
If it 's simply a program that you distribute the soruce code along with it then it 's quite easy , you simply sell the ownership/license the code to somebody else since you presumably own all the code this is n't a problem .
Similarly with projects that do have 3rd party developers you can stipulate that they relinquish ownership of any contributions they make to the project to you or whatever organization happens to be managing the project .
Where it gets tricky is when you have projects where anybody could contribute but you have n't put in the aforementioned stipulations , at that point you need to track down every contributor and ask for their permission to relicense/sell their code if they say no you either have to replace their code or fork the project to include only code that you DO have permission to sell.At least that 's how I remember it working I may be way off base here though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well it depends on how you define open source.
If it's simply a program that you distribute the soruce code along with it then it's quite easy, you simply sell the ownership/license the code to somebody else since you presumably own all the code this isn't a problem.
Similarly with projects that do have 3rd party developers you can stipulate that they relinquish ownership of any contributions they make to the project to you or whatever organization happens to be managing the project.
Where it gets tricky is when you have projects where anybody could contribute but you haven't put in the aforementioned stipulations, at that point you need to track down every contributor and ask for their permission to relicense/sell their code if they say no you either have to replace their code or fork the project to include only code that you DO have permission to sell.At least that's how I remember it working I may be way off base here though.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_141206.29824463</id>
	<title>Re:How does one buy an open source program?</title>
	<author>b0bby</author>
	<datestamp>1256145000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I doubt I'm smarter than you but... I would guess that the HD Moore guy who ran the project owns the Metasploit name, trademark, domain etc, as well as the copyright on the code. So you can see how all that could be worth something, plus they're hiring him to keep working on it. If they wanted to they could presumably close the source going forward, though he says in his blog post that they're committed to keeping it open. If they can make a popular tool work well with their other products, it might be worth it to them and apparently it is, since they've done it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I doubt I 'm smarter than you but... I would guess that the HD Moore guy who ran the project owns the Metasploit name , trademark , domain etc , as well as the copyright on the code .
So you can see how all that could be worth something , plus they 're hiring him to keep working on it .
If they wanted to they could presumably close the source going forward , though he says in his blog post that they 're committed to keeping it open .
If they can make a popular tool work well with their other products , it might be worth it to them and apparently it is , since they 've done it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I doubt I'm smarter than you but... I would guess that the HD Moore guy who ran the project owns the Metasploit name, trademark, domain etc, as well as the copyright on the code.
So you can see how all that could be worth something, plus they're hiring him to keep working on it.
If they wanted to they could presumably close the source going forward, though he says in his blog post that they're committed to keeping it open.
If they can make a popular tool work well with their other products, it might be worth it to them and apparently it is, since they've done it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_141206.29823903</id>
	<title>Positive so far</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256142480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This seems positive so far and they are making all the right noises (hiring Egypt full time onto the project is a really good sign). Both Snort and Wireshark got much better after commercial backing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This seems positive so far and they are making all the right noises ( hiring Egypt full time onto the project is a really good sign ) .
Both Snort and Wireshark got much better after commercial backing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This seems positive so far and they are making all the right noises (hiring Egypt full time onto the project is a really good sign).
Both Snort and Wireshark got much better after commercial backing.</sentencetext>
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