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	<title>German Book Publishers Cool To E-Book Market</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1255894980000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Now that the Kindle is being actively marketed in many countries outside the US, reader
rsmiller510 sends in his piece up on DaniWeb about the <a href="http://www.daniweb.com/news/story231190.html">skepticism in Germany about the whole e-book phenomenon</a>. A major difference from the US book market is that in Germany, book prices are regulated in an effort to protect authors, publishers, and small booksellers. As a result, publishers don't issue electronic versions of their books until the paperback edition comes out, up to 2 years after the hardcover &mdash; and then they sell the e-book for the same price as the lowest-cost paperback. An <a href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,655422,00.html">article on e-books in Spiegel.de</a> notes a survey taken recently for the Frankfurt Book Fair, which found that "only one in 12 Germans has a clear idea about what an e-book is, and seven out of 10 of them would prefer a printed version over a digital one." 65,000 e-books were sold in Germany in the first 6 months of 2009, vs. almost ten times that number bought <em>per week</em> in the US, in what is still a small niche of the overall book business.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now that the Kindle is being actively marketed in many countries outside the US , reader rsmiller510 sends in his piece up on DaniWeb about the skepticism in Germany about the whole e-book phenomenon .
A major difference from the US book market is that in Germany , book prices are regulated in an effort to protect authors , publishers , and small booksellers .
As a result , publishers do n't issue electronic versions of their books until the paperback edition comes out , up to 2 years after the hardcover    and then they sell the e-book for the same price as the lowest-cost paperback .
An article on e-books in Spiegel.de notes a survey taken recently for the Frankfurt Book Fair , which found that " only one in 12 Germans has a clear idea about what an e-book is , and seven out of 10 of them would prefer a printed version over a digital one .
" 65,000 e-books were sold in Germany in the first 6 months of 2009 , vs. almost ten times that number bought per week in the US , in what is still a small niche of the overall book business .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now that the Kindle is being actively marketed in many countries outside the US, reader
rsmiller510 sends in his piece up on DaniWeb about the skepticism in Germany about the whole e-book phenomenon.
A major difference from the US book market is that in Germany, book prices are regulated in an effort to protect authors, publishers, and small booksellers.
As a result, publishers don't issue electronic versions of their books until the paperback edition comes out, up to 2 years after the hardcover — and then they sell the e-book for the same price as the lowest-cost paperback.
An article on e-books in Spiegel.de notes a survey taken recently for the Frankfurt Book Fair, which found that "only one in 12 Germans has a clear idea about what an e-book is, and seven out of 10 of them would prefer a printed version over a digital one.
" 65,000 e-books were sold in Germany in the first 6 months of 2009, vs. almost ten times that number bought per week in the US, in what is still a small niche of the overall book business.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Another e-book story...</title>
	<author>zippthorne</author>
	<datestamp>1255861380000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><ol> <li>Resolution is my nit as well.  But in 15 years, I'm not entirely sure it still will be, regardless of whether or not it improves...<p>Also, Computer displays had been getting higher resolution for a while, but for some reason OSs seem to like to stick with the "assume an 'm' is fourteen pixels wide (or some other hard-coded number)" paradigm.  I want sharper text on my screen, not <em>more</em> text.  I don't want to have to sit twelve inches away from a twenty-six inch display just because I used to sit that distance away from a fifteen inch VGA monitor (13.5 inch viewable...) (some numbers exaggerated, but not by much.)</p><p>So, I think your 15 year estimate may be a little optimistic.</p></li><li>Kindle already does this.  The wikipedia access and lifetime cellular connection have made many people compare it to the Hitchhiker's Guide, which similarly connected many small dumb devices to a centrally stored encyclopedia of dubious pedigree but surprising usefulness.</li><li>Kindle.  But I wish they'd do away with the keyboard and put in a PDA-style B&amp;W touch interface.  Something that's pretty good on power when it's on, but GUI and responsive enough for searching would be a nice feature until the redraw speed on eInk improves.</li><li>I think the argument is that DRM will fail <em>eventually</em>.  It's a loaded gun and some day someone is going to pull that trigger.  At <em>that</em> point it'll fail in the marketplace as the word finally spreads that everyone's geek friend was right and "they'd never do that" once again turns out to be wishful thinking.  The geek friend will get no cred for this, though.<p>I suspect the publishing houses know this, so the question really is how long they can keep it going without actually using it.</p></li></ol></htmltext>
<tokenext>Resolution is my nit as well .
But in 15 years , I 'm not entirely sure it still will be , regardless of whether or not it improves...Also , Computer displays had been getting higher resolution for a while , but for some reason OSs seem to like to stick with the " assume an 'm ' is fourteen pixels wide ( or some other hard-coded number ) " paradigm .
I want sharper text on my screen , not more text .
I do n't want to have to sit twelve inches away from a twenty-six inch display just because I used to sit that distance away from a fifteen inch VGA monitor ( 13.5 inch viewable... ) ( some numbers exaggerated , but not by much .
) So , I think your 15 year estimate may be a little optimistic.Kindle already does this .
The wikipedia access and lifetime cellular connection have made many people compare it to the Hitchhiker 's Guide , which similarly connected many small dumb devices to a centrally stored encyclopedia of dubious pedigree but surprising usefulness.Kindle .
But I wish they 'd do away with the keyboard and put in a PDA-style B&amp;W touch interface .
Something that 's pretty good on power when it 's on , but GUI and responsive enough for searching would be a nice feature until the redraw speed on eInk improves.I think the argument is that DRM will fail eventually .
It 's a loaded gun and some day someone is going to pull that trigger .
At that point it 'll fail in the marketplace as the word finally spreads that everyone 's geek friend was right and " they 'd never do that " once again turns out to be wishful thinking .
The geek friend will get no cred for this , though.I suspect the publishing houses know this , so the question really is how long they can keep it going without actually using it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Resolution is my nit as well.
But in 15 years, I'm not entirely sure it still will be, regardless of whether or not it improves...Also, Computer displays had been getting higher resolution for a while, but for some reason OSs seem to like to stick with the "assume an 'm' is fourteen pixels wide (or some other hard-coded number)" paradigm.
I want sharper text on my screen, not more text.
I don't want to have to sit twelve inches away from a twenty-six inch display just because I used to sit that distance away from a fifteen inch VGA monitor (13.5 inch viewable...) (some numbers exaggerated, but not by much.
)So, I think your 15 year estimate may be a little optimistic.Kindle already does this.
The wikipedia access and lifetime cellular connection have made many people compare it to the Hitchhiker's Guide, which similarly connected many small dumb devices to a centrally stored encyclopedia of dubious pedigree but surprising usefulness.Kindle.
But I wish they'd do away with the keyboard and put in a PDA-style B&amp;W touch interface.
Something that's pretty good on power when it's on, but GUI and responsive enough for searching would be a nice feature until the redraw speed on eInk improves.I think the argument is that DRM will fail eventually.
It's a loaded gun and some day someone is going to pull that trigger.
At that point it'll fail in the marketplace as the word finally spreads that everyone's geek friend was right and "they'd never do that" once again turns out to be wishful thinking.
The geek friend will get no cred for this, though.I suspect the publishing houses know this, so the question really is how long they can keep it going without actually using it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29787161</id>
	<title>Re:I don't think it's that much different, here</title>
	<author>Moridineas</author>
	<datestamp>1255861980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You would think e-books would be a lot cheaper, but from what I've seen, they aren't.</p></div><p>You would, and I think ebook prices WILL fall. Part of the issue here is that when a publisher sells a book to a bookstore, a wholesaler, or Amazon, they sell the book at an average range of 10\%-50\% discount.</p><p>When Amazon sells an ebook, they typically give the publisher (or author) less than 50\% of the sale price. Ebook is sold for $10, the publisher maybe gets $4.</p><p>Few books are sold as ebook ONLY, and publishers really don't make that much MORE (less?) off of ebooks, and don't want to cannibalize sales. Ultimately I think in many fields ebooks will become the primary sellers, but we're not there yet.</p></div>
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<tokenext>You would think e-books would be a lot cheaper , but from what I 've seen , they are n't.You would , and I think ebook prices WILL fall .
Part of the issue here is that when a publisher sells a book to a bookstore , a wholesaler , or Amazon , they sell the book at an average range of 10 \ % -50 \ % discount.When Amazon sells an ebook , they typically give the publisher ( or author ) less than 50 \ % of the sale price .
Ebook is sold for $ 10 , the publisher maybe gets $ 4.Few books are sold as ebook ONLY , and publishers really do n't make that much MORE ( less ?
) off of ebooks , and do n't want to cannibalize sales .
Ultimately I think in many fields ebooks will become the primary sellers , but we 're not there yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You would think e-books would be a lot cheaper, but from what I've seen, they aren't.You would, and I think ebook prices WILL fall.
Part of the issue here is that when a publisher sells a book to a bookstore, a wholesaler, or Amazon, they sell the book at an average range of 10\%-50\% discount.When Amazon sells an ebook, they typically give the publisher (or author) less than 50\% of the sale price.
Ebook is sold for $10, the publisher maybe gets $4.Few books are sold as ebook ONLY, and publishers really don't make that much MORE (less?
) off of ebooks, and don't want to cannibalize sales.
Ultimately I think in many fields ebooks will become the primary sellers, but we're not there yet.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29788317</id>
	<title>Not to undercut books</title>
	<author>Midnight Thunder</author>
	<datestamp>1255872300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If companies are keeping eBook prices around the same price as their printed counter part, it is probably because they don't want to risk undercutting the printed media. Also, while people accept to buy eBooks at the price offered, they have have no incentive to lower prices. Generally you you only want to lower prices if the target market is not buying.</p><p>From a consumer point of view, the printed version can work out to be cheaper, since you still have the possibility to sell it second hand or exchange it for another book. If you never lend or sell the book, then it probably works out to be the same price as the electronic version.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If companies are keeping eBook prices around the same price as their printed counter part , it is probably because they do n't want to risk undercutting the printed media .
Also , while people accept to buy eBooks at the price offered , they have have no incentive to lower prices .
Generally you you only want to lower prices if the target market is not buying.From a consumer point of view , the printed version can work out to be cheaper , since you still have the possibility to sell it second hand or exchange it for another book .
If you never lend or sell the book , then it probably works out to be the same price as the electronic version .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If companies are keeping eBook prices around the same price as their printed counter part, it is probably because they don't want to risk undercutting the printed media.
Also, while people accept to buy eBooks at the price offered, they have have no incentive to lower prices.
Generally you you only want to lower prices if the target market is not buying.From a consumer point of view, the printed version can work out to be cheaper, since you still have the possibility to sell it second hand or exchange it for another book.
If you never lend or sell the book, then it probably works out to be the same price as the electronic version.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29789775</id>
	<title>Re:I don't think it's that much different, here</title>
	<author>Meski</author>
	<datestamp>1255885440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Sometimes, its equal or greater than the dead-tree price.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sometimes , its equal or greater than the dead-tree price .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sometimes, its equal or greater than the dead-tree price.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29787195</id>
	<title>Re:Other Issues</title>
	<author>masmullin</author>
	<datestamp>1255862220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>you have valid points, but how important are the points to the mass market really?  How many people really take baths rather than showers?  As for your second point... just take better care not to lose your stuff... you sound like a serial forgetter.</htmltext>
<tokenext>you have valid points , but how important are the points to the mass market really ?
How many people really take baths rather than showers ?
As for your second point... just take better care not to lose your stuff... you sound like a serial forgetter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you have valid points, but how important are the points to the mass market really?
How many people really take baths rather than showers?
As for your second point... just take better care not to lose your stuff... you sound like a serial forgetter.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29793025</id>
	<title>If more books were available, maybe...</title>
	<author>headLITE</author>
	<datestamp>1255962300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>I don't know if Germans would buy more e-books if more were available; there aren't that many to choose from at this time in the first place. I live in Germany and I've been buying a fair number of e-books in the last few years, but all of these purchases probably count toward the US numbers as I bought all of them from US-based online shops (such as Baen). Also, my employer has a Safari subscription and I've downloaded several books from there... which should again count toward the US numbers.</p><p>And yeah, I won't consider a Kindle; if I pay money for a book then I want the book physically present in my shelf, or I want the file on a disk that I control and can make backup copies of.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know if Germans would buy more e-books if more were available ; there are n't that many to choose from at this time in the first place .
I live in Germany and I 've been buying a fair number of e-books in the last few years , but all of these purchases probably count toward the US numbers as I bought all of them from US-based online shops ( such as Baen ) .
Also , my employer has a Safari subscription and I 've downloaded several books from there... which should again count toward the US numbers.And yeah , I wo n't consider a Kindle ; if I pay money for a book then I want the book physically present in my shelf , or I want the file on a disk that I control and can make backup copies of .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know if Germans would buy more e-books if more were available; there aren't that many to choose from at this time in the first place.
I live in Germany and I've been buying a fair number of e-books in the last few years, but all of these purchases probably count toward the US numbers as I bought all of them from US-based online shops (such as Baen).
Also, my employer has a Safari subscription and I've downloaded several books from there... which should again count toward the US numbers.And yeah, I won't consider a Kindle; if I pay money for a book then I want the book physically present in my shelf, or I want the file on a disk that I control and can make backup copies of.</sentencetext>
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	<title>frist pots!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255898700000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>i got it suckas!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i got it suckas !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i got it suckas!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29804057</id>
	<title>Re:Other Issues</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255972560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>You could always just put your reader in a transparent ziploc bag, that way unless you deliberately drown it, it should come out much better than that heavy paperback.</p><p>And in terms of losing them, things that are more valuable tend to be looked after better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You could always just put your reader in a transparent ziploc bag , that way unless you deliberately drown it , it should come out much better than that heavy paperback.And in terms of losing them , things that are more valuable tend to be looked after better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could always just put your reader in a transparent ziploc bag, that way unless you deliberately drown it, it should come out much better than that heavy paperback.And in terms of losing them, things that are more valuable tend to be looked after better.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29790891</id>
	<title>"regulated"</title>
	<author>Tom</author>
	<datestamp>1255895520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The summary is a little unfair, I think.</p><p>The "regulation" about book prices is not what you'd usually associate with the term. Specifically, it is a fixed-price model, which says that books can not be sold at discount except under certain circumstances. That is the main reason Germany still has thousands of small bookstores with employees that actually know something about books, instead of large discount chains that work on the WalMart principle. Second, the tax on books is lower than on other consumer articles (same discounted tax rate as for food, for example).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The summary is a little unfair , I think.The " regulation " about book prices is not what you 'd usually associate with the term .
Specifically , it is a fixed-price model , which says that books can not be sold at discount except under certain circumstances .
That is the main reason Germany still has thousands of small bookstores with employees that actually know something about books , instead of large discount chains that work on the WalMart principle .
Second , the tax on books is lower than on other consumer articles ( same discounted tax rate as for food , for example ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The summary is a little unfair, I think.The "regulation" about book prices is not what you'd usually associate with the term.
Specifically, it is a fixed-price model, which says that books can not be sold at discount except under certain circumstances.
That is the main reason Germany still has thousands of small bookstores with employees that actually know something about books, instead of large discount chains that work on the WalMart principle.
Second, the tax on books is lower than on other consumer articles (same discounted tax rate as for food, for example).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29788191</id>
	<title>Publishers don't like your freedoms in paper books</title>
	<author>jbn-o</author>
	<datestamp>1255871100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>There's no question about DRM -- DRM requires proprietary software which does subjugates a user's freedom to read by giving that freedom away to publishers and their agents.  The fix is free software: a free software eBook reader would give users control over their electronic copies of works.  This outweighs all the alleged advantages of eBook readers because it means the ability to control what we're allowed to read with that device.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's no question about DRM -- DRM requires proprietary software which does subjugates a user 's freedom to read by giving that freedom away to publishers and their agents .
The fix is free software : a free software eBook reader would give users control over their electronic copies of works .
This outweighs all the alleged advantages of eBook readers because it means the ability to control what we 're allowed to read with that device .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's no question about DRM -- DRM requires proprietary software which does subjugates a user's freedom to read by giving that freedom away to publishers and their agents.
The fix is free software: a free software eBook reader would give users control over their electronic copies of works.
This outweighs all the alleged advantages of eBook readers because it means the ability to control what we're allowed to read with that device.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29791603</id>
	<title>Re:how big is the German book market anyway?</title>
	<author>Hognoxious</author>
	<datestamp>1255949940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>How much do Germans read on average compared to Americans?</p></div></blockquote><p>In terms of pages, about the same.  Of course it's considerably less if you count the words.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How much do Germans read on average compared to Americans ? In terms of pages , about the same .
Of course it 's considerably less if you count the words .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How much do Germans read on average compared to Americans?In terms of pages, about the same.
Of course it's considerably less if you count the words.
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	<title>Wear Crown Holder Jean,DG long Shirt Not the same</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256129640000</datestamp>
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	<title>Re:Another e-book story...</title>
	<author>am 2k</author>
	<datestamp>1255951860000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>3) It won't succeed until an Apple-like company makes it so stunningly easy to use and manage that its advantages are clear.  A cellphone and a smart cellphone are quite similar, so the idea of an iPhone/Treo (a general purpose computer that happens to be a cell phone) was not so hard to get accepted.  A tablet-like device has no commonly existing parellel right now, and the existing examples are weak, to put it mildly.  It will have to be wildly simple and pleasant to use...</p></div><p>Well, you can already have exactly the device you're describing, and it's called<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... iPhone. I've been using my iPhone (with the app Stanza) for reading books while commuting for a while now, and it's much better than printed books (I've tried that as well, didn't work out, since carrying a heavy book around doesn't fly in public transport while standing, and having to switch vehicle every now and then). The downsides are of course battery (have to recharge every other day) and the small display, but to solve the latter you'd need a foldable or rollable display, since I certainly won't carry around a larger device than I'm already doing.</p><p>Right now, getting material to read is very hard though, because ebooks usually cost four times as much as the printed book version on Amazon (yeah, wtf?). Nearly all PDFs don't work either, because they're typeset for larger paper sizes.</p></div>
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<tokenext>3 ) It wo n't succeed until an Apple-like company makes it so stunningly easy to use and manage that its advantages are clear .
A cellphone and a smart cellphone are quite similar , so the idea of an iPhone/Treo ( a general purpose computer that happens to be a cell phone ) was not so hard to get accepted .
A tablet-like device has no commonly existing parellel right now , and the existing examples are weak , to put it mildly .
It will have to be wildly simple and pleasant to use...Well , you can already have exactly the device you 're describing , and it 's called ... iPhone. I 've been using my iPhone ( with the app Stanza ) for reading books while commuting for a while now , and it 's much better than printed books ( I 've tried that as well , did n't work out , since carrying a heavy book around does n't fly in public transport while standing , and having to switch vehicle every now and then ) .
The downsides are of course battery ( have to recharge every other day ) and the small display , but to solve the latter you 'd need a foldable or rollable display , since I certainly wo n't carry around a larger device than I 'm already doing.Right now , getting material to read is very hard though , because ebooks usually cost four times as much as the printed book version on Amazon ( yeah , wtf ? ) .
Nearly all PDFs do n't work either , because they 're typeset for larger paper sizes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>3) It won't succeed until an Apple-like company makes it so stunningly easy to use and manage that its advantages are clear.
A cellphone and a smart cellphone are quite similar, so the idea of an iPhone/Treo (a general purpose computer that happens to be a cell phone) was not so hard to get accepted.
A tablet-like device has no commonly existing parellel right now, and the existing examples are weak, to put it mildly.
It will have to be wildly simple and pleasant to use...Well, you can already have exactly the device you're describing, and it's called ... iPhone. I've been using my iPhone (with the app Stanza) for reading books while commuting for a while now, and it's much better than printed books (I've tried that as well, didn't work out, since carrying a heavy book around doesn't fly in public transport while standing, and having to switch vehicle every now and then).
The downsides are of course battery (have to recharge every other day) and the small display, but to solve the latter you'd need a foldable or rollable display, since I certainly won't carry around a larger device than I'm already doing.Right now, getting material to read is very hard though, because ebooks usually cost four times as much as the printed book version on Amazon (yeah, wtf?).
Nearly all PDFs don't work either, because they're typeset for larger paper sizes.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29787193</id>
	<title>skip the lame blog link, read the Spiegel article</title>
	<author>bcrowell</author>
	<datestamp>1255862160000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>
The first link is to a lame, short, not very interesting blog post. The second link is to the full article (in English) in Der Spiegel.
</p><p>
The Der Spiegel article criticizes the traditional publishing industry for price fixing (with some help from government), but it uncritically parrots the traditional music industry's party line about copyright violation, and then uncritically makes the analogy with books. It assumes that copyright-violating sharing of music is wholly to blame for the fact that the music industry isn't as profitable as it would like to be be, without mentioning the possibility that people were unhappy with the choices the music industry was putting out, and unhappy with being expected to pay $16 for a CD that only had 2 or 3 good tracks on it. It also never mentions DRM.
</p><p>
In general, I don't think it's a good idea to lump together all kinds of books as if they were the same. Selling a Dan Brown book in hardcover is different from selling it as a mass market paperback, which in turn is different from selling a used copy, which is also different from borrowing a copy from a friend or from the public library. Copyrighted e-books are different from public-domain e-books, and then there are copyrighted books whose authors have intentionally made them free online (see my sig). There is a huge difference between a college textbook and other types of books; prices of college textbooks have gone up much faster than inflation in recent decades, and that's happened because the people who made the textbook selection decisions were the professors, while the people who had to pay were the students.
</p><p>
Most published authors don't make much money from most kinds of books. Never have and never will. What the traditional publishers would like to see is a world in which that continues to be the case, but DRM on e-books makes it impossible for people to buy used books, share books with friends, or borrow books from the public library.
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<tokenext>The first link is to a lame , short , not very interesting blog post .
The second link is to the full article ( in English ) in Der Spiegel .
The Der Spiegel article criticizes the traditional publishing industry for price fixing ( with some help from government ) , but it uncritically parrots the traditional music industry 's party line about copyright violation , and then uncritically makes the analogy with books .
It assumes that copyright-violating sharing of music is wholly to blame for the fact that the music industry is n't as profitable as it would like to be be , without mentioning the possibility that people were unhappy with the choices the music industry was putting out , and unhappy with being expected to pay $ 16 for a CD that only had 2 or 3 good tracks on it .
It also never mentions DRM .
In general , I do n't think it 's a good idea to lump together all kinds of books as if they were the same .
Selling a Dan Brown book in hardcover is different from selling it as a mass market paperback , which in turn is different from selling a used copy , which is also different from borrowing a copy from a friend or from the public library .
Copyrighted e-books are different from public-domain e-books , and then there are copyrighted books whose authors have intentionally made them free online ( see my sig ) .
There is a huge difference between a college textbook and other types of books ; prices of college textbooks have gone up much faster than inflation in recent decades , and that 's happened because the people who made the textbook selection decisions were the professors , while the people who had to pay were the students .
Most published authors do n't make much money from most kinds of books .
Never have and never will .
What the traditional publishers would like to see is a world in which that continues to be the case , but DRM on e-books makes it impossible for people to buy used books , share books with friends , or borrow books from the public library .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
The first link is to a lame, short, not very interesting blog post.
The second link is to the full article (in English) in Der Spiegel.
The Der Spiegel article criticizes the traditional publishing industry for price fixing (with some help from government), but it uncritically parrots the traditional music industry's party line about copyright violation, and then uncritically makes the analogy with books.
It assumes that copyright-violating sharing of music is wholly to blame for the fact that the music industry isn't as profitable as it would like to be be, without mentioning the possibility that people were unhappy with the choices the music industry was putting out, and unhappy with being expected to pay $16 for a CD that only had 2 or 3 good tracks on it.
It also never mentions DRM.
In general, I don't think it's a good idea to lump together all kinds of books as if they were the same.
Selling a Dan Brown book in hardcover is different from selling it as a mass market paperback, which in turn is different from selling a used copy, which is also different from borrowing a copy from a friend or from the public library.
Copyrighted e-books are different from public-domain e-books, and then there are copyrighted books whose authors have intentionally made them free online (see my sig).
There is a huge difference between a college textbook and other types of books; prices of college textbooks have gone up much faster than inflation in recent decades, and that's happened because the people who made the textbook selection decisions were the professors, while the people who had to pay were the students.
Most published authors don't make much money from most kinds of books.
Never have and never will.
What the traditional publishers would like to see is a world in which that continues to be the case, but DRM on e-books makes it impossible for people to buy used books, share books with friends, or borrow books from the public library.
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	<title>So the lesson is...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255899480000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>If you artificially prop up prices for the benefit of a few, then competition and innovation that would benefit the broader consumer market can suffer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you artificially prop up prices for the benefit of a few , then competition and innovation that would benefit the broader consumer market can suffer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you artificially prop up prices for the benefit of a few, then competition and innovation that would benefit the broader consumer market can suffer.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29786547</id>
	<title>Other Issues</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255857660000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Today I had a nice, long bath with John Grisham.<br>
<br>
Well, not the author in person, but his book, <i>The Street Lawyer</i>. Paperback version.<br>
<br>
I would have been rather more reluctant to do the same with a Kindle (or equivalent) edition, as I am pretty sure a dip in the water would render it beyond repair.<br>
<br>
I cannot be the only one who occasionally loses a paperback to whatever unfortunate events that pass me by. (Temporary insanity and such.) I have provided Dublin Airport with one (I got my camera back, which had been impounded by security guards), an assortment of hotels, planes and trains have got their share and for some odd reason I have never found my lost PDA. (The interesting stuff was encrypted, thank you very much.)<br>
<br>
The thing for me (and quite a few other people, I am sure) is that the loss of a paperback may be unfortunate but not a major setback, whereas the loss of an eBook reader is more than just annoying.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Today I had a nice , long bath with John Grisham .
Well , not the author in person , but his book , The Street Lawyer .
Paperback version .
I would have been rather more reluctant to do the same with a Kindle ( or equivalent ) edition , as I am pretty sure a dip in the water would render it beyond repair .
I can not be the only one who occasionally loses a paperback to whatever unfortunate events that pass me by .
( Temporary insanity and such .
) I have provided Dublin Airport with one ( I got my camera back , which had been impounded by security guards ) , an assortment of hotels , planes and trains have got their share and for some odd reason I have never found my lost PDA .
( The interesting stuff was encrypted , thank you very much .
) The thing for me ( and quite a few other people , I am sure ) is that the loss of a paperback may be unfortunate but not a major setback , whereas the loss of an eBook reader is more than just annoying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Today I had a nice, long bath with John Grisham.
Well, not the author in person, but his book, The Street Lawyer.
Paperback version.
I would have been rather more reluctant to do the same with a Kindle (or equivalent) edition, as I am pretty sure a dip in the water would render it beyond repair.
I cannot be the only one who occasionally loses a paperback to whatever unfortunate events that pass me by.
(Temporary insanity and such.
) I have provided Dublin Airport with one (I got my camera back, which had been impounded by security guards), an assortment of hotels, planes and trains have got their share and for some odd reason I have never found my lost PDA.
(The interesting stuff was encrypted, thank you very much.
)

The thing for me (and quite a few other people, I am sure) is that the loss of a paperback may be unfortunate but not a major setback, whereas the loss of an eBook reader is more than just annoying.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29786425</id>
	<title>Germany will just have to change</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255856760000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>The Kindle is selling the best in regions such as US, Japan, UK, Norway(I can't explain why), and Australia. France and Germany don't even make the top 10 on Kindle sales.</p><p>If customers aren't buying ebooks, it's the fault of the publishers, authors and the system in Germany. There is no cultural difference that makes people only want physical printed books, unless you have some religious grounds to not use technology. You can poll people all you want, and they will tell you that they enjoy physical books. They like holding them. They like the smell. They like turing the pages. Whatever. But when you give them a device that can hold all their favorite books. Keep track of their progress without losing a bookmark. Being able to increase the font size to reduce eyestrain or help those with poor vision. And the books are usually 10\%-20\% cheaper. Add in all this and many people change their attitude. They quickly realize their emotional attachment to physical books was mostly imaginary. And that what they like best about books is reading them.</p><p>Anything you can do to make reading easier, and more accessible makes ebooks look good in a customer's eye.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Kindle is selling the best in regions such as US , Japan , UK , Norway ( I ca n't explain why ) , and Australia .
France and Germany do n't even make the top 10 on Kindle sales.If customers are n't buying ebooks , it 's the fault of the publishers , authors and the system in Germany .
There is no cultural difference that makes people only want physical printed books , unless you have some religious grounds to not use technology .
You can poll people all you want , and they will tell you that they enjoy physical books .
They like holding them .
They like the smell .
They like turing the pages .
Whatever. But when you give them a device that can hold all their favorite books .
Keep track of their progress without losing a bookmark .
Being able to increase the font size to reduce eyestrain or help those with poor vision .
And the books are usually 10 \ % -20 \ % cheaper .
Add in all this and many people change their attitude .
They quickly realize their emotional attachment to physical books was mostly imaginary .
And that what they like best about books is reading them.Anything you can do to make reading easier , and more accessible makes ebooks look good in a customer 's eye .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Kindle is selling the best in regions such as US, Japan, UK, Norway(I can't explain why), and Australia.
France and Germany don't even make the top 10 on Kindle sales.If customers aren't buying ebooks, it's the fault of the publishers, authors and the system in Germany.
There is no cultural difference that makes people only want physical printed books, unless you have some religious grounds to not use technology.
You can poll people all you want, and they will tell you that they enjoy physical books.
They like holding them.
They like the smell.
They like turing the pages.
Whatever. But when you give them a device that can hold all their favorite books.
Keep track of their progress without losing a bookmark.
Being able to increase the font size to reduce eyestrain or help those with poor vision.
And the books are usually 10\%-20\% cheaper.
Add in all this and many people change their attitude.
They quickly realize their emotional attachment to physical books was mostly imaginary.
And that what they like best about books is reading them.Anything you can do to make reading easier, and more accessible makes ebooks look good in a customer's eye.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29787545</id>
	<title>Re:Why would I want a single-purpose ebook reader?</title>
	<author>JaredOfEuropa</author>
	<datestamp>1255864800000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>For me the overwhelming argument in favour of e-books is ease of reading.<br>I really like reading off a more or less paperback sized screen, as opposed to a small PDA screen.  The e-paper is also a lot easier on the eyes if you're like me and read for hours on end.  And unlike a computer screen or even a laptop, e-books are just as easy to read as regular books lying on the sofa, in bed, on the train, etc.  A decent reader is about the size of a paperback and half as thick, so they are as easy to carry as a paper book.
<br> <br>
Also, many e-book readers these days support multiple formats; open or DRM-less formats as well as the more prevalent DRM schemes such as Mobipocket.  The notable exception is the Kindle and Amazon's e-books... I am really disappointed that one of the largest distributor of books decided to go with their own reader and their own closed DRM scheme, which really doesn't help, and which means I will not be buying e-books off Amazon.  I like having one e-book reader, but I'd hate to have to own more than one just to beat the format wars.
<br> <br>
The main problem with these e-readers is different formats, iffy DRM (the idiocy of that book being pulled off people's Kindles did nothing to increase e-book popularity), and the high price of e-books (people expect to pay a lot less for electronic books).  People might like other functions on these devices, but I already have my phone on me, which is small enough to carry with me at all times, and fulfills all those functions you mention.  If I want to read, I bring an e-book in addition to my phone.  If I need a bigger screen or a real keyboard, I'll bring a laptop.</htmltext>
<tokenext>For me the overwhelming argument in favour of e-books is ease of reading.I really like reading off a more or less paperback sized screen , as opposed to a small PDA screen .
The e-paper is also a lot easier on the eyes if you 're like me and read for hours on end .
And unlike a computer screen or even a laptop , e-books are just as easy to read as regular books lying on the sofa , in bed , on the train , etc .
A decent reader is about the size of a paperback and half as thick , so they are as easy to carry as a paper book .
Also , many e-book readers these days support multiple formats ; open or DRM-less formats as well as the more prevalent DRM schemes such as Mobipocket .
The notable exception is the Kindle and Amazon 's e-books... I am really disappointed that one of the largest distributor of books decided to go with their own reader and their own closed DRM scheme , which really does n't help , and which means I will not be buying e-books off Amazon .
I like having one e-book reader , but I 'd hate to have to own more than one just to beat the format wars .
The main problem with these e-readers is different formats , iffy DRM ( the idiocy of that book being pulled off people 's Kindles did nothing to increase e-book popularity ) , and the high price of e-books ( people expect to pay a lot less for electronic books ) .
People might like other functions on these devices , but I already have my phone on me , which is small enough to carry with me at all times , and fulfills all those functions you mention .
If I want to read , I bring an e-book in addition to my phone .
If I need a bigger screen or a real keyboard , I 'll bring a laptop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For me the overwhelming argument in favour of e-books is ease of reading.I really like reading off a more or less paperback sized screen, as opposed to a small PDA screen.
The e-paper is also a lot easier on the eyes if you're like me and read for hours on end.
And unlike a computer screen or even a laptop, e-books are just as easy to read as regular books lying on the sofa, in bed, on the train, etc.
A decent reader is about the size of a paperback and half as thick, so they are as easy to carry as a paper book.
Also, many e-book readers these days support multiple formats; open or DRM-less formats as well as the more prevalent DRM schemes such as Mobipocket.
The notable exception is the Kindle and Amazon's e-books... I am really disappointed that one of the largest distributor of books decided to go with their own reader and their own closed DRM scheme, which really doesn't help, and which means I will not be buying e-books off Amazon.
I like having one e-book reader, but I'd hate to have to own more than one just to beat the format wars.
The main problem with these e-readers is different formats, iffy DRM (the idiocy of that book being pulled off people's Kindles did nothing to increase e-book popularity), and the high price of e-books (people expect to pay a lot less for electronic books).
People might like other functions on these devices, but I already have my phone on me, which is small enough to carry with me at all times, and fulfills all those functions you mention.
If I want to read, I bring an e-book in addition to my phone.
If I need a bigger screen or a real keyboard, I'll bring a laptop.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29790821</id>
	<title>Re:I don't think it's that much different, here</title>
	<author>piojo</author>
	<datestamp>1255894680000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>There's too much conspiracy theory and things that just aren't true in your post. I'm sorry, but I don't think it deserves a rebuttal. It's too "far out". (Yes, I'm a sheeple, I can't see outside the box, et cetera, et cetera.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's too much conspiracy theory and things that just are n't true in your post .
I 'm sorry , but I do n't think it deserves a rebuttal .
It 's too " far out " .
( Yes , I 'm a sheeple , I ca n't see outside the box , et cetera , et cetera .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's too much conspiracy theory and things that just aren't true in your post.
I'm sorry, but I don't think it deserves a rebuttal.
It's too "far out".
(Yes, I'm a sheeple, I can't see outside the box, et cetera, et cetera.
)</sentencetext>
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	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
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	<htmltext><p>"Now that the Kindle is being actively marketed in many countries outside the US..."</p><p>Yeah, right. After paying a hefty extra on shipping, customs duty, VAT etc. (summing up to ~250 EUR / 370USD) you can choose from many, many english books.<br>Even some might think different, the official language in Germany is still German... and surprisingly enough most Germans prefer to read in their mother-tongue.<br>So that's pretty much like "Even the brand new, left-hand-drive [enter favorite car manufacturer here] is available in the UK now, sales are very poor".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Now that the Kindle is being actively marketed in many countries outside the US... " Yeah , right .
After paying a hefty extra on shipping , customs duty , VAT etc .
( summing up to ~ 250 EUR / 370USD ) you can choose from many , many english books.Even some might think different , the official language in Germany is still German... and surprisingly enough most Germans prefer to read in their mother-tongue.So that 's pretty much like " Even the brand new , left-hand-drive [ enter favorite car manufacturer here ] is available in the UK now , sales are very poor " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Now that the Kindle is being actively marketed in many countries outside the US..."Yeah, right.
After paying a hefty extra on shipping, customs duty, VAT etc.
(summing up to ~250 EUR / 370USD) you can choose from many, many english books.Even some might think different, the official language in Germany is still German... and surprisingly enough most Germans prefer to read in their mother-tongue.So that's pretty much like "Even the brand new, left-hand-drive [enter favorite car manufacturer here] is available in the UK now, sales are very poor".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29787131</id>
	<title>Re:Another e-book story...</title>
	<author>masmullin</author>
	<datestamp>1255861800000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>As a sony 505 user I have to reply to your comments<br><br>1) resolution of 200dpi is good, and is not an issue.  As a user I do not get eyestrain from my 505 (I get eyestrain from smartphones and monitors).  Battery life is measured in weeks and is not an issue (505 lasts me a month considering that I plug into a computer to get a new book on the device).  Cost is mitigated by lower ebook prices (I've only purchased 1 ebook, and it was $1.  The next book I will purchase is $8 online and $30 in hardcover atm... I find a lot of the books I want "underground"... yarrr).  505 is about the size of a paperback, but thinner.  Its certainly lighter than a hardcover, it is MOST DEFINATELY less bulky than carrying 3 books with you (I often have 3 books I carry around)<br><br>2) like I said, 505 is not bulky.  There isn't a webbrowser because the refresh rate of eink isn't sufficient for the kind of things you want to do on the internet.  Its perfectly acceptable to be only a book reader device, because its the same size as a book (although it would be nice to get emails on it).<br><br>3) Sony has made using the device stunningly easy, from what I read, Amazon has made their device very easy too<br><br>4) Censorship of ideas?  have you been on the internet before?<br><br>The only argument you bring up that I agree with is DRM.  I am wary to drop money on anything with DRM because I've had bad experiences before purchasing DRM music (I had to buy an album 2ce as I formatted my computer even though I "backed up" the songs to NAS).  The one book I've bought so far was DRMed, but it was also only $1 so I didn't really care.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a sony 505 user I have to reply to your comments1 ) resolution of 200dpi is good , and is not an issue .
As a user I do not get eyestrain from my 505 ( I get eyestrain from smartphones and monitors ) .
Battery life is measured in weeks and is not an issue ( 505 lasts me a month considering that I plug into a computer to get a new book on the device ) .
Cost is mitigated by lower ebook prices ( I 've only purchased 1 ebook , and it was $ 1 .
The next book I will purchase is $ 8 online and $ 30 in hardcover atm... I find a lot of the books I want " underground " ... yarrr ) . 505 is about the size of a paperback , but thinner .
Its certainly lighter than a hardcover , it is MOST DEFINATELY less bulky than carrying 3 books with you ( I often have 3 books I carry around ) 2 ) like I said , 505 is not bulky .
There is n't a webbrowser because the refresh rate of eink is n't sufficient for the kind of things you want to do on the internet .
Its perfectly acceptable to be only a book reader device , because its the same size as a book ( although it would be nice to get emails on it ) .3 ) Sony has made using the device stunningly easy , from what I read , Amazon has made their device very easy too4 ) Censorship of ideas ?
have you been on the internet before ? The only argument you bring up that I agree with is DRM .
I am wary to drop money on anything with DRM because I 've had bad experiences before purchasing DRM music ( I had to buy an album 2ce as I formatted my computer even though I " backed up " the songs to NAS ) .
The one book I 've bought so far was DRMed , but it was also only $ 1 so I did n't really care .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a sony 505 user I have to reply to your comments1) resolution of 200dpi is good, and is not an issue.
As a user I do not get eyestrain from my 505 (I get eyestrain from smartphones and monitors).
Battery life is measured in weeks and is not an issue (505 lasts me a month considering that I plug into a computer to get a new book on the device).
Cost is mitigated by lower ebook prices (I've only purchased 1 ebook, and it was $1.
The next book I will purchase is $8 online and $30 in hardcover atm... I find a lot of the books I want "underground"... yarrr).  505 is about the size of a paperback, but thinner.
Its certainly lighter than a hardcover, it is MOST DEFINATELY less bulky than carrying 3 books with you (I often have 3 books I carry around)2) like I said, 505 is not bulky.
There isn't a webbrowser because the refresh rate of eink isn't sufficient for the kind of things you want to do on the internet.
Its perfectly acceptable to be only a book reader device, because its the same size as a book (although it would be nice to get emails on it).3) Sony has made using the device stunningly easy, from what I read, Amazon has made their device very easy too4) Censorship of ideas?
have you been on the internet before?The only argument you bring up that I agree with is DRM.
I am wary to drop money on anything with DRM because I've had bad experiences before purchasing DRM music (I had to buy an album 2ce as I formatted my computer even though I "backed up" the songs to NAS).
The one book I've bought so far was DRMed, but it was also only $1 so I didn't really care.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29788751</id>
	<title>Re:I don't think it's that much different, here</title>
	<author>PopeRatzo</author>
	<datestamp>1255877040000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>You would think e-books would be a lot cheaper, but from what I've seen, they aren't.</p></div></blockquote><p>You misunderstand how capitalism works.  First of all, you seem to believe all that nonsense about how the "market" works magically to bring prices to logical levels.</p><p>The only markets that work as the theorists claim are Black Markets.  At least there, the prices are based on factors that can be seen and measured, like risk, supply and demand.  The so-called "free" markets are actually based on the illogic of desire, the effect of mind control (aka "advertising") and make-believe shortages enacted by companies that have power greater than the laws of the countries in which the corporations operate.  And of course, "free" markets make use of good old-fashioned  tyranny to make their products in places where the workers have all the social status of slaves.  As collective bargaining continues to come under attack from the corporations, the US increasingly looks like one of these tyrannical countries.  People have to work for below-market wages because if they don't their wives or kids can't see a doctor when they get sick without bringing financial ruin on the family.  This causes a de facto slavery, or more accurately a "serfdom" where the powerful forces (corporations) conspire to keep a work force poor.  The use of "EZ Credit" to make poor people feel like they're not really poor, is a 20th century innovation.  The difficult part for the corporations in power is to strike a balance where the poor workers will continue to work against their best interests going deeper into debt (even to the point where the debt become <i>generational</i>) while still making sure that enough people are fooled into believing that they can "afford" to buy the overpriced products (ie big screen TVs) and services (ie cable television) that the corporations sell.</p><p>The skids for this neo-serfdom are greased by electoral systems that require huge but manageable sums of money to run for government office and electoral laws that allow for direct transfers of large sums of money directly from the corporations to the candidates for "public" office.</p><p>As long as they can keep the working population in debt, ill-informed (not a problem in the age of Fox News and Clear Channel) and desperate to buy stuff they don't need, the system continues to work to the great advantage of the corporations, while cementing the master-slave relationship with workers.  Barring cataclysm or the spontaneous moral conversions of the very wealthy (think camels and eyes of needles) the end-game is larger numbers of incarcerated, more wars, suffering and profits, profits, profits.</p></div>
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<tokenext>You would think e-books would be a lot cheaper , but from what I 've seen , they are n't.You misunderstand how capitalism works .
First of all , you seem to believe all that nonsense about how the " market " works magically to bring prices to logical levels.The only markets that work as the theorists claim are Black Markets .
At least there , the prices are based on factors that can be seen and measured , like risk , supply and demand .
The so-called " free " markets are actually based on the illogic of desire , the effect of mind control ( aka " advertising " ) and make-believe shortages enacted by companies that have power greater than the laws of the countries in which the corporations operate .
And of course , " free " markets make use of good old-fashioned tyranny to make their products in places where the workers have all the social status of slaves .
As collective bargaining continues to come under attack from the corporations , the US increasingly looks like one of these tyrannical countries .
People have to work for below-market wages because if they do n't their wives or kids ca n't see a doctor when they get sick without bringing financial ruin on the family .
This causes a de facto slavery , or more accurately a " serfdom " where the powerful forces ( corporations ) conspire to keep a work force poor .
The use of " EZ Credit " to make poor people feel like they 're not really poor , is a 20th century innovation .
The difficult part for the corporations in power is to strike a balance where the poor workers will continue to work against their best interests going deeper into debt ( even to the point where the debt become generational ) while still making sure that enough people are fooled into believing that they can " afford " to buy the overpriced products ( ie big screen TVs ) and services ( ie cable television ) that the corporations sell.The skids for this neo-serfdom are greased by electoral systems that require huge but manageable sums of money to run for government office and electoral laws that allow for direct transfers of large sums of money directly from the corporations to the candidates for " public " office.As long as they can keep the working population in debt , ill-informed ( not a problem in the age of Fox News and Clear Channel ) and desperate to buy stuff they do n't need , the system continues to work to the great advantage of the corporations , while cementing the master-slave relationship with workers .
Barring cataclysm or the spontaneous moral conversions of the very wealthy ( think camels and eyes of needles ) the end-game is larger numbers of incarcerated , more wars , suffering and profits , profits , profits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You would think e-books would be a lot cheaper, but from what I've seen, they aren't.You misunderstand how capitalism works.
First of all, you seem to believe all that nonsense about how the "market" works magically to bring prices to logical levels.The only markets that work as the theorists claim are Black Markets.
At least there, the prices are based on factors that can be seen and measured, like risk, supply and demand.
The so-called "free" markets are actually based on the illogic of desire, the effect of mind control (aka "advertising") and make-believe shortages enacted by companies that have power greater than the laws of the countries in which the corporations operate.
And of course, "free" markets make use of good old-fashioned  tyranny to make their products in places where the workers have all the social status of slaves.
As collective bargaining continues to come under attack from the corporations, the US increasingly looks like one of these tyrannical countries.
People have to work for below-market wages because if they don't their wives or kids can't see a doctor when they get sick without bringing financial ruin on the family.
This causes a de facto slavery, or more accurately a "serfdom" where the powerful forces (corporations) conspire to keep a work force poor.
The use of "EZ Credit" to make poor people feel like they're not really poor, is a 20th century innovation.
The difficult part for the corporations in power is to strike a balance where the poor workers will continue to work against their best interests going deeper into debt (even to the point where the debt become generational) while still making sure that enough people are fooled into believing that they can "afford" to buy the overpriced products (ie big screen TVs) and services (ie cable television) that the corporations sell.The skids for this neo-serfdom are greased by electoral systems that require huge but manageable sums of money to run for government office and electoral laws that allow for direct transfers of large sums of money directly from the corporations to the candidates for "public" office.As long as they can keep the working population in debt, ill-informed (not a problem in the age of Fox News and Clear Channel) and desperate to buy stuff they don't need, the system continues to work to the great advantage of the corporations, while cementing the master-slave relationship with workers.
Barring cataclysm or the spontaneous moral conversions of the very wealthy (think camels and eyes of needles) the end-game is larger numbers of incarcerated, more wars, suffering and profits, profits, profits.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29787121</id>
	<title>*I* am skeptical about E-books in America!</title>
	<author>WheelDweller</author>
	<datestamp>1255861740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I keep hearing about these things...FROM WEBSITES. I don't see anyone carrying them; telling people how much they like them, or offering a preference of readers or something. In short, if E-books are skyrocketing in sales, I sure can't tell!</p><p>Most of the people I know love books BECAUSE of that low-quality paper feeling that feels like a friend. I'm the only geek around me that would prefer to have various texts spoken to me, and for that, I have Festival!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>Remember how big a deal Bloggers were going to be? A few are great, the rest are just boring people being *precisely* as boring as the rest of us.  And don't Twitter me your bowel movements, either: just not that useful.</p><p>I hate to sound like the old man I'm slowly becoming, but with all the tech and pronouncements of achievement, we still dig holes, and we still use shovels!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I keep hearing about these things...FROM WEBSITES .
I do n't see anyone carrying them ; telling people how much they like them , or offering a preference of readers or something .
In short , if E-books are skyrocketing in sales , I sure ca n't tell ! Most of the people I know love books BECAUSE of that low-quality paper feeling that feels like a friend .
I 'm the only geek around me that would prefer to have various texts spoken to me , and for that , I have Festival !
: ) Remember how big a deal Bloggers were going to be ?
A few are great , the rest are just boring people being * precisely * as boring as the rest of us .
And do n't Twitter me your bowel movements , either : just not that useful.I hate to sound like the old man I 'm slowly becoming , but with all the tech and pronouncements of achievement , we still dig holes , and we still use shovels !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I keep hearing about these things...FROM WEBSITES.
I don't see anyone carrying them; telling people how much they like them, or offering a preference of readers or something.
In short, if E-books are skyrocketing in sales, I sure can't tell!Most of the people I know love books BECAUSE of that low-quality paper feeling that feels like a friend.
I'm the only geek around me that would prefer to have various texts spoken to me, and for that, I have Festival!
:)Remember how big a deal Bloggers were going to be?
A few are great, the rest are just boring people being *precisely* as boring as the rest of us.
And don't Twitter me your bowel movements, either: just not that useful.I hate to sound like the old man I'm slowly becoming, but with all the tech and pronouncements of achievement, we still dig holes, and we still use shovels!</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:I don't think it's that much different, here</title>
	<author>Trepidity</author>
	<datestamp>1255857060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For large publishers, printing/binding/shipping/warehousing costs these days don't run more than $1-3 per book, so it's not too surprising that the e-books would only be discounted a few dollars.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For large publishers , printing/binding/shipping/warehousing costs these days do n't run more than $ 1-3 per book , so it 's not too surprising that the e-books would only be discounted a few dollars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For large publishers, printing/binding/shipping/warehousing costs these days don't run more than $1-3 per book, so it's not too surprising that the e-books would only be discounted a few dollars.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Funeral eulogy for the german book marker</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255950720000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Amen, Bruder!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Amen , Bruder !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amen, Bruder!</sentencetext>
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	<title>Personal anecdote</title>
	<author>foniksonik</author>
	<datestamp>1255894260000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>When I bought my iPhone and found eReader I gave up printed books for reading.</p><p>My iPhone is much more convenient, easier to read (backlit is very nice in most situations ie: anything other than sunlight behind me) and the iPhone lasts for ~5-6 hours of reading and music listening with occasional browsing/phone calls.</p><p>It never loses my place, I could write notes and bookmark pages if I wanted to. It's my phone so it's always with me and isn't conspicuous - so I can open up a book for any extra 5 min anywhere and catch up on some plot line that's been calling me...</p><p>I can get new material in minutes without a car ride, wait in line or dealing with a store that decided to re-arrange the shelves again. There's no shipping charge like there would be with a real book from Amazon.</p><p>Another big bonus is that there's nothing to get rid of when I'm done reading the book. I don't have to waste time with eBay or Craigslist trying to give the thing away and they don't pile up in boxes in the garage waiting for the next garage sale or book-drive... sorry, for me that part of it is just a big waste of time - no I don't care about the old book ethos or whatever.</p><p>SO eBooks are the next best thing to sliced bread IMHO. I don't really care if they cost the same or less than traditional books... I've already saved so much time not dealing with the physical book format that I'm already ahead.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I bought my iPhone and found eReader I gave up printed books for reading.My iPhone is much more convenient , easier to read ( backlit is very nice in most situations ie : anything other than sunlight behind me ) and the iPhone lasts for ~ 5-6 hours of reading and music listening with occasional browsing/phone calls.It never loses my place , I could write notes and bookmark pages if I wanted to .
It 's my phone so it 's always with me and is n't conspicuous - so I can open up a book for any extra 5 min anywhere and catch up on some plot line that 's been calling me...I can get new material in minutes without a car ride , wait in line or dealing with a store that decided to re-arrange the shelves again .
There 's no shipping charge like there would be with a real book from Amazon.Another big bonus is that there 's nothing to get rid of when I 'm done reading the book .
I do n't have to waste time with eBay or Craigslist trying to give the thing away and they do n't pile up in boxes in the garage waiting for the next garage sale or book-drive... sorry , for me that part of it is just a big waste of time - no I do n't care about the old book ethos or whatever.SO eBooks are the next best thing to sliced bread IMHO .
I do n't really care if they cost the same or less than traditional books... I 've already saved so much time not dealing with the physical book format that I 'm already ahead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I bought my iPhone and found eReader I gave up printed books for reading.My iPhone is much more convenient, easier to read (backlit is very nice in most situations ie: anything other than sunlight behind me) and the iPhone lasts for ~5-6 hours of reading and music listening with occasional browsing/phone calls.It never loses my place, I could write notes and bookmark pages if I wanted to.
It's my phone so it's always with me and isn't conspicuous - so I can open up a book for any extra 5 min anywhere and catch up on some plot line that's been calling me...I can get new material in minutes without a car ride, wait in line or dealing with a store that decided to re-arrange the shelves again.
There's no shipping charge like there would be with a real book from Amazon.Another big bonus is that there's nothing to get rid of when I'm done reading the book.
I don't have to waste time with eBay or Craigslist trying to give the thing away and they don't pile up in boxes in the garage waiting for the next garage sale or book-drive... sorry, for me that part of it is just a big waste of time - no I don't care about the old book ethos or whatever.SO eBooks are the next best thing to sliced bread IMHO.
I don't really care if they cost the same or less than traditional books... I've already saved so much time not dealing with the physical book format that I'm already ahead.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Why would I want a single-purpose ebook reader?</title>
	<author>OrangeTide</author>
	<datestamp>1255861140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I started reading ebooks on my Palm III and Visor Edge. It was great, I could read a little bit anywhere and not have to mess with waiting for the books to be mailed or have to go to the bookstore to find out they don't have it. Plus I'm a last minute sort of guy, I go to the bookstore at like 9pm because thats when I decide I need a new book. Now I own two Kindles (one per person in the household). A dedicated reading device suits my lifestyle better than a PDA.</p><p>I probably use my Kindle more than I use my mobile phone(I don't like making or receiving phone calls or any kind). But I don't use my Kindle as much as I use my laptop or netbook. I think a reader is worth the money, and they get cheaper every 6 months it seems. But I doubt that an e-book reader is appropriate for all people. The Kindle for example is terrible for textbooks and reference books. And their newspaper subscription service seems a little pricey, although reading the news on the device works out better for me than unfolding the giant sheets of newspaper. And I especially hate having to deal with a massive stack of old newspapers to leave for the recycler, but honestly going to a news website is almost always free and you can get videos and color photographs there which makes the webnews a far better experience than the Kindle.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I started reading ebooks on my Palm III and Visor Edge .
It was great , I could read a little bit anywhere and not have to mess with waiting for the books to be mailed or have to go to the bookstore to find out they do n't have it .
Plus I 'm a last minute sort of guy , I go to the bookstore at like 9pm because thats when I decide I need a new book .
Now I own two Kindles ( one per person in the household ) .
A dedicated reading device suits my lifestyle better than a PDA.I probably use my Kindle more than I use my mobile phone ( I do n't like making or receiving phone calls or any kind ) .
But I do n't use my Kindle as much as I use my laptop or netbook .
I think a reader is worth the money , and they get cheaper every 6 months it seems .
But I doubt that an e-book reader is appropriate for all people .
The Kindle for example is terrible for textbooks and reference books .
And their newspaper subscription service seems a little pricey , although reading the news on the device works out better for me than unfolding the giant sheets of newspaper .
And I especially hate having to deal with a massive stack of old newspapers to leave for the recycler , but honestly going to a news website is almost always free and you can get videos and color photographs there which makes the webnews a far better experience than the Kindle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I started reading ebooks on my Palm III and Visor Edge.
It was great, I could read a little bit anywhere and not have to mess with waiting for the books to be mailed or have to go to the bookstore to find out they don't have it.
Plus I'm a last minute sort of guy, I go to the bookstore at like 9pm because thats when I decide I need a new book.
Now I own two Kindles (one per person in the household).
A dedicated reading device suits my lifestyle better than a PDA.I probably use my Kindle more than I use my mobile phone(I don't like making or receiving phone calls or any kind).
But I don't use my Kindle as much as I use my laptop or netbook.
I think a reader is worth the money, and they get cheaper every 6 months it seems.
But I doubt that an e-book reader is appropriate for all people.
The Kindle for example is terrible for textbooks and reference books.
And their newspaper subscription service seems a little pricey, although reading the news on the device works out better for me than unfolding the giant sheets of newspaper.
And I especially hate having to deal with a massive stack of old newspapers to leave for the recycler, but honestly going to a news website is almost always free and you can get videos and color photographs there which makes the webnews a far better experience than the Kindle.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29791085</id>
	<title>Re:Another e-book story...</title>
	<author>Aceticon</author>
	<datestamp>1255984620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>An e-book doesn't look  the same, doesn't smell the same and doesn't feel the same as a paper book.</p><p>It's the same reason why those that can afford it have fireplaces at home: a good wood fire in a fireplace is a pleasure to one's senses.</p><p>E-books are likely to sooner or latter dominate the utility space of literature (reference manuals, newspapers, magazines) provided they're cheaper than what they replace (which isn't happening at the moment). This is the same space where the Internet has already significantly displaced paper-books (hands up anybody that still uses paper encyclopedias...) so we might bypass the e-book stage altogether.</p><p>What is more doubtful is if they will ever replace paper books in the pleasure space of literature (those books you read for the pleasure of it while lying in our sofa with a nice cappuccino, put down in your bookshelf when you're done and pull out a year or two later to read again) much less the home decoration space of literature (hardcover books with fancy covers for looking pretty in a bookshelf).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>An e-book does n't look the same , does n't smell the same and does n't feel the same as a paper book.It 's the same reason why those that can afford it have fireplaces at home : a good wood fire in a fireplace is a pleasure to one 's senses.E-books are likely to sooner or latter dominate the utility space of literature ( reference manuals , newspapers , magazines ) provided they 're cheaper than what they replace ( which is n't happening at the moment ) .
This is the same space where the Internet has already significantly displaced paper-books ( hands up anybody that still uses paper encyclopedias... ) so we might bypass the e-book stage altogether.What is more doubtful is if they will ever replace paper books in the pleasure space of literature ( those books you read for the pleasure of it while lying in our sofa with a nice cappuccino , put down in your bookshelf when you 're done and pull out a year or two later to read again ) much less the home decoration space of literature ( hardcover books with fancy covers for looking pretty in a bookshelf ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An e-book doesn't look  the same, doesn't smell the same and doesn't feel the same as a paper book.It's the same reason why those that can afford it have fireplaces at home: a good wood fire in a fireplace is a pleasure to one's senses.E-books are likely to sooner or latter dominate the utility space of literature (reference manuals, newspapers, magazines) provided they're cheaper than what they replace (which isn't happening at the moment).
This is the same space where the Internet has already significantly displaced paper-books (hands up anybody that still uses paper encyclopedias...) so we might bypass the e-book stage altogether.What is more doubtful is if they will ever replace paper books in the pleasure space of literature (those books you read for the pleasure of it while lying in our sofa with a nice cappuccino, put down in your bookshelf when you're done and pull out a year or two later to read again) much less the home decoration space of literature (hardcover books with fancy covers for looking pretty in a bookshelf).</sentencetext>
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	<title>German paperbacks are of much higher quality</title>
	<author>risom</author>
	<datestamp>1255947420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>One possible reason could be that German paperbacks physically are of much higher quality - way nicer paper, better and more robust bindings, better cover print etc. than US paperbacks. I was really shocked discovering this after I bought a few US paperbacks. Obviously US paperbacks are more like disposable items - read it once and it falls apart. So replacing US paperbacks with ebooks makes more sense because they have no aesthetic value other than their content anyway.</htmltext>
<tokenext>One possible reason could be that German paperbacks physically are of much higher quality - way nicer paper , better and more robust bindings , better cover print etc .
than US paperbacks .
I was really shocked discovering this after I bought a few US paperbacks .
Obviously US paperbacks are more like disposable items - read it once and it falls apart .
So replacing US paperbacks with ebooks makes more sense because they have no aesthetic value other than their content anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One possible reason could be that German paperbacks physically are of much higher quality - way nicer paper, better and more robust bindings, better cover print etc.
than US paperbacks.
I was really shocked discovering this after I bought a few US paperbacks.
Obviously US paperbacks are more like disposable items - read it once and it falls apart.
So replacing US paperbacks with ebooks makes more sense because they have no aesthetic value other than their content anyway.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Audiobooks seems to be the trend</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255858920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whilst not suitable for reference material, audiobooks seems much more suitable for portable usage. No big screen device to carry arround, and you get to keep your eyes for other purposes - driving, cycling, looking where you are walking etc.</p><p>At least in Sweden, the audiobook scene have exploded the last couple of years, many books are released as audios at the same time as the first print hardcovers hit the bookstores.</p><p>We even have a few online streaming services for listening to audiobooks directly from the phone/computer without the hazzle of first downloading or copying CD discs to the desired listening device.</p><p>Not everybody likes to listen to books, and more odd titles propably wont be recorded, but for the titles available it's quite convenient.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whilst not suitable for reference material , audiobooks seems much more suitable for portable usage .
No big screen device to carry arround , and you get to keep your eyes for other purposes - driving , cycling , looking where you are walking etc.At least in Sweden , the audiobook scene have exploded the last couple of years , many books are released as audios at the same time as the first print hardcovers hit the bookstores.We even have a few online streaming services for listening to audiobooks directly from the phone/computer without the hazzle of first downloading or copying CD discs to the desired listening device.Not everybody likes to listen to books , and more odd titles propably wont be recorded , but for the titles available it 's quite convenient .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whilst not suitable for reference material, audiobooks seems much more suitable for portable usage.
No big screen device to carry arround, and you get to keep your eyes for other purposes - driving, cycling, looking where you are walking etc.At least in Sweden, the audiobook scene have exploded the last couple of years, many books are released as audios at the same time as the first print hardcovers hit the bookstores.We even have a few online streaming services for listening to audiobooks directly from the phone/computer without the hazzle of first downloading or copying CD discs to the desired listening device.Not everybody likes to listen to books, and more odd titles propably wont be recorded, but for the titles available it's quite convenient.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Audiobooks seems to be the trend</title>
	<author>masmullin</author>
	<datestamp>1255862460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is also an audiobook vs real book issue.  I think audiobooks totally have their place, but they are not w/o their flaws (you can stop paying attention and its hard to "reread the last paragraph" like a book).</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is also an audiobook vs real book issue .
I think audiobooks totally have their place , but they are not w/o their flaws ( you can stop paying attention and its hard to " reread the last paragraph " like a book ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is also an audiobook vs real book issue.
I think audiobooks totally have their place, but they are not w/o their flaws (you can stop paying attention and its hard to "reread the last paragraph" like a book).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29792561</id>
	<title>Re:Funeral eulogy for the german book marker</title>
	<author>(arg!)Styopa</author>
	<datestamp>1255959480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good post.</p><p>Here's the money-shot: "Patrick Rothfuss fulminant debut with "Name of the wind" costs 25 Euro as a german book or 7 Euro as an english one (both including S&amp;H)."</p><p>German book: $37.50<br>English: $10.50</p><p>The industry will live only as long as the populace will continue to tolerate subsidizing it.</p><p>That said, the Germans I know have a deep respect for books as matter - witness Inkheart, a (for Germany) wildly popular kids book about a love for books.  Not the stories within, the actual BOOKS themselves, which as an American I find really strange and for some reason disturbing.</p><p>Nevertheless, this would suggest that there will always be a niche market willing to pay absurd prices for their books printed in German.  I'm curious how small that niche will be, and how aggressively the EU will defend a single industry's collusive (although that implies a level of secrecy that's wholly absent here) pricing and behavior.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good post.Here 's the money-shot : " Patrick Rothfuss fulminant debut with " Name of the wind " costs 25 Euro as a german book or 7 Euro as an english one ( both including S&amp;H ) .
" German book : $ 37.50English : $ 10.50The industry will live only as long as the populace will continue to tolerate subsidizing it.That said , the Germans I know have a deep respect for books as matter - witness Inkheart , a ( for Germany ) wildly popular kids book about a love for books .
Not the stories within , the actual BOOKS themselves , which as an American I find really strange and for some reason disturbing.Nevertheless , this would suggest that there will always be a niche market willing to pay absurd prices for their books printed in German .
I 'm curious how small that niche will be , and how aggressively the EU will defend a single industry 's collusive ( although that implies a level of secrecy that 's wholly absent here ) pricing and behavior .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good post.Here's the money-shot: "Patrick Rothfuss fulminant debut with "Name of the wind" costs 25 Euro as a german book or 7 Euro as an english one (both including S&amp;H).
"German book: $37.50English: $10.50The industry will live only as long as the populace will continue to tolerate subsidizing it.That said, the Germans I know have a deep respect for books as matter - witness Inkheart, a (for Germany) wildly popular kids book about a love for books.
Not the stories within, the actual BOOKS themselves, which as an American I find really strange and for some reason disturbing.Nevertheless, this would suggest that there will always be a niche market willing to pay absurd prices for their books printed in German.
I'm curious how small that niche will be, and how aggressively the EU will defend a single industry's collusive (although that implies a level of secrecy that's wholly absent here) pricing and behavior.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29786497</id>
	<title>German market peculiarities</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255857240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's the deal: Yes, Germany and Austria have a regulated market for books in German (only!), meaning no price-based competition as the publishers set a binding minimum retail price with only a few exceptions like going-out-of-business sales, damaged books and stuff, but the principle remains. Amazon may throw in free shipping, but apart from that must not undercut brick-and-mortar stores. Go figure...</p><p>That said: the prices are set by the publisher. There is nothing to prevent them from having different prices for different editions. Just as a hardcover costs more than a paperback, an ebook could be even cheaper. Their call.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's the deal : Yes , Germany and Austria have a regulated market for books in German ( only !
) , meaning no price-based competition as the publishers set a binding minimum retail price with only a few exceptions like going-out-of-business sales , damaged books and stuff , but the principle remains .
Amazon may throw in free shipping , but apart from that must not undercut brick-and-mortar stores .
Go figure...That said : the prices are set by the publisher .
There is nothing to prevent them from having different prices for different editions .
Just as a hardcover costs more than a paperback , an ebook could be even cheaper .
Their call .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's the deal: Yes, Germany and Austria have a regulated market for books in German (only!
), meaning no price-based competition as the publishers set a binding minimum retail price with only a few exceptions like going-out-of-business sales, damaged books and stuff, but the principle remains.
Amazon may throw in free shipping, but apart from that must not undercut brick-and-mortar stores.
Go figure...That said: the prices are set by the publisher.
There is nothing to prevent them from having different prices for different editions.
Just as a hardcover costs more than a paperback, an ebook could be even cheaper.
Their call.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29786315</id>
	<title>I don't think it's that much different, here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255899180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the U.S., books used to be expensive because they were expensive to print, bind, and ship (or so I was told by a published author that I used to know). You would think e-books would be a lot cheaper, but from what I've seen, they aren't.</p><p>I'm not sure why, but publishers seem to price e-books at only a few dollars below the same printed book's cost (from the little I've seen). This seems a very careful thing to do--there's no way e-book sales can cause any harm if they don't actually sell.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the U.S. , books used to be expensive because they were expensive to print , bind , and ship ( or so I was told by a published author that I used to know ) .
You would think e-books would be a lot cheaper , but from what I 've seen , they are n't.I 'm not sure why , but publishers seem to price e-books at only a few dollars below the same printed book 's cost ( from the little I 've seen ) .
This seems a very careful thing to do--there 's no way e-book sales can cause any harm if they do n't actually sell .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the U.S., books used to be expensive because they were expensive to print, bind, and ship (or so I was told by a published author that I used to know).
You would think e-books would be a lot cheaper, but from what I've seen, they aren't.I'm not sure why, but publishers seem to price e-books at only a few dollars below the same printed book's cost (from the little I've seen).
This seems a very careful thing to do--there's no way e-book sales can cause any harm if they don't actually sell.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29787059</id>
	<title>Funeral eulogy for the german book marker</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255861320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hi,
</p><p>since i am german and an ebook user for several years (iRexx Iliad),
i would like to comment on that:
</p><ul>
<li>It is very hard to purchase german ebooks. Only a small percantage
of all books is actually offered as an ebook. If they are published at
all, the ebook version comes months or even years later.</li>
<li>The german book market is heavily regulated and
publishers/authors are mostly happy with the status quo.
The ebook is seen as "a disturbance of the force" and
therefor not appreciated. Publishers already try to get
lawmakers to extend the regulation to ebooks as well.</li>
<li>Germanys "Intelligenzija" (from which a lot of authors are
recruited) is notorical hostile towards technology.</li>
<li>The primary clients for ebooks are geeks and technology friendly
young adults. Those can read books in english. Since those are even
a lot of cheaper, germanys ebook shoppers buy beyond the border (e.g. i have
200 ebooks from <a href="http://www.baen.com/" title="baen.com">Baen</a> [baen.com].</li>
<li>The trend of germans reading "english" literature is already
demonstrated by Amazon Germany having an own category "English
books". Patrick Rothfuss fulminant debut with "Name of the wind"
costs 25 Euro as a german book or 7 Euro as an english one (both
including  S&amp;H).</li>
<li>The early adopters of technology typically read a large share
of Science Fiction &amp; Fantasy... not a strength of german authors
(few exceptions). SF&amp;F is still frowned at, not considered to be
"real literature" here. This also drives readers into exile.</li>
</ul><p>Like the music industry the publishers are currently comitting
sucide due to the fear of death. By trying to preserve the status
quo, they are scaring away a big part of their future customers.
Ebooks are only a symptom here.</p><p>I have purchased and read about 1.000+ books during the last 25 years. Due
to a still progressing carreer, my budget is rising. But i am less
and less inclined to spend it on the local market.</p><p>
Sincerely yours, Martin</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hi , since i am german and an ebook user for several years ( iRexx Iliad ) , i would like to comment on that : It is very hard to purchase german ebooks .
Only a small percantage of all books is actually offered as an ebook .
If they are published at all , the ebook version comes months or even years later .
The german book market is heavily regulated and publishers/authors are mostly happy with the status quo .
The ebook is seen as " a disturbance of the force " and therefor not appreciated .
Publishers already try to get lawmakers to extend the regulation to ebooks as well .
Germanys " Intelligenzija " ( from which a lot of authors are recruited ) is notorical hostile towards technology .
The primary clients for ebooks are geeks and technology friendly young adults .
Those can read books in english .
Since those are even a lot of cheaper , germanys ebook shoppers buy beyond the border ( e.g .
i have 200 ebooks from Baen [ baen.com ] .
The trend of germans reading " english " literature is already demonstrated by Amazon Germany having an own category " English books " .
Patrick Rothfuss fulminant debut with " Name of the wind " costs 25 Euro as a german book or 7 Euro as an english one ( both including S&amp;H ) .
The early adopters of technology typically read a large share of Science Fiction &amp; Fantasy... not a strength of german authors ( few exceptions ) .
SF&amp;F is still frowned at , not considered to be " real literature " here .
This also drives readers into exile .
Like the music industry the publishers are currently comitting sucide due to the fear of death .
By trying to preserve the status quo , they are scaring away a big part of their future customers .
Ebooks are only a symptom here.I have purchased and read about 1.000 + books during the last 25 years .
Due to a still progressing carreer , my budget is rising .
But i am less and less inclined to spend it on the local market .
Sincerely yours , Martin</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hi,
since i am german and an ebook user for several years (iRexx Iliad),
i would like to comment on that:

It is very hard to purchase german ebooks.
Only a small percantage
of all books is actually offered as an ebook.
If they are published at
all, the ebook version comes months or even years later.
The german book market is heavily regulated and
publishers/authors are mostly happy with the status quo.
The ebook is seen as "a disturbance of the force" and
therefor not appreciated.
Publishers already try to get
lawmakers to extend the regulation to ebooks as well.
Germanys "Intelligenzija" (from which a lot of authors are
recruited) is notorical hostile towards technology.
The primary clients for ebooks are geeks and technology friendly
young adults.
Those can read books in english.
Since those are even
a lot of cheaper, germanys ebook shoppers buy beyond the border (e.g.
i have
200 ebooks from Baen [baen.com].
The trend of germans reading "english" literature is already
demonstrated by Amazon Germany having an own category "English
books".
Patrick Rothfuss fulminant debut with "Name of the wind"
costs 25 Euro as a german book or 7 Euro as an english one (both
including  S&amp;H).
The early adopters of technology typically read a large share
of Science Fiction &amp; Fantasy... not a strength of german authors
(few exceptions).
SF&amp;F is still frowned at, not considered to be
"real literature" here.
This also drives readers into exile.
Like the music industry the publishers are currently comitting
sucide due to the fear of death.
By trying to preserve the status
quo, they are scaring away a big part of their future customers.
Ebooks are only a symptom here.I have purchased and read about 1.000+ books during the last 25 years.
Due
to a still progressing carreer, my budget is rising.
But i am less
and less inclined to spend it on the local market.
Sincerely yours, Martin</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29786453</id>
	<title>Another e-book story...</title>
	<author>Starker\_Kull</author>
	<datestamp>1255856940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>...that hits all the same notes.  E-books will take over the world, why are the German publishing houses sticking their heads in the sand, etc.  I've thought about it quite a bit, since I have a strong personal preference for printed books, and have debated the topic with passionate advocates of e-books.  I've come to a few conclusions:<br>
<br>
1) The advantages that printed books have over e-books in terms of convenience will go away over the next 15 years.  Limited resolution (200 ppi e-ink vs. 600+ ppi for print), limited battery life, bulk, storage capacity, etc., not to mention cost (not just direct, but transportation, storage, disposal, etc.), will all favor e-books in 15 years.  Resolution (my particular nit) will probably take the longest, but it will happen.<br>
<br>
2) I doubt a personal e-book 'reader' will last long in the marketplace.  It's too big and bulky to be 'just' an e-book reader.  Why not make it a web-browser?  95\% percent of what you need to do that is there.  E-mail?  Terminal access?  A cell phone with a bluetooth earbud?  A movie watcher?  It will become a general purpose computing device just like cell phones are becoming.<br>
<br>
3) It won't succeed until an Apple-like company makes it so stunningly easy to use and manage that its advantages are clear.  A cellphone and a smart cellphone are quite similar, so the idea of an iPhone/Treo (a general purpose computer that happens to be a cell phone) was not so hard to get accepted.  A tablet-like device has no commonly existing parellel right now, and the existing examples are weak, to put it mildly.  It will have to be wildly simple and pleasant to use...<br>
<br>
4) Once most books are no longer printed, it remains an open question whether it will make censorship of ideas easier or harder.  I haven't been able to come up with a convincing argument either way.  DRM is also still an open question, although you can make a good argument that a DRMed device will fail in the marketplace.  Maybe.<br>
<br>
There will be a great e-book reader one day, but it won't be called that.  It will be part of a package that can do far more.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...that hits all the same notes .
E-books will take over the world , why are the German publishing houses sticking their heads in the sand , etc .
I 've thought about it quite a bit , since I have a strong personal preference for printed books , and have debated the topic with passionate advocates of e-books .
I 've come to a few conclusions : 1 ) The advantages that printed books have over e-books in terms of convenience will go away over the next 15 years .
Limited resolution ( 200 ppi e-ink vs. 600 + ppi for print ) , limited battery life , bulk , storage capacity , etc. , not to mention cost ( not just direct , but transportation , storage , disposal , etc .
) , will all favor e-books in 15 years .
Resolution ( my particular nit ) will probably take the longest , but it will happen .
2 ) I doubt a personal e-book 'reader ' will last long in the marketplace .
It 's too big and bulky to be 'just ' an e-book reader .
Why not make it a web-browser ?
95 \ % percent of what you need to do that is there .
E-mail ? Terminal access ?
A cell phone with a bluetooth earbud ?
A movie watcher ?
It will become a general purpose computing device just like cell phones are becoming .
3 ) It wo n't succeed until an Apple-like company makes it so stunningly easy to use and manage that its advantages are clear .
A cellphone and a smart cellphone are quite similar , so the idea of an iPhone/Treo ( a general purpose computer that happens to be a cell phone ) was not so hard to get accepted .
A tablet-like device has no commonly existing parellel right now , and the existing examples are weak , to put it mildly .
It will have to be wildly simple and pleasant to use.. . 4 ) Once most books are no longer printed , it remains an open question whether it will make censorship of ideas easier or harder .
I have n't been able to come up with a convincing argument either way .
DRM is also still an open question , although you can make a good argument that a DRMed device will fail in the marketplace .
Maybe . There will be a great e-book reader one day , but it wo n't be called that .
It will be part of a package that can do far more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...that hits all the same notes.
E-books will take over the world, why are the German publishing houses sticking their heads in the sand, etc.
I've thought about it quite a bit, since I have a strong personal preference for printed books, and have debated the topic with passionate advocates of e-books.
I've come to a few conclusions:

1) The advantages that printed books have over e-books in terms of convenience will go away over the next 15 years.
Limited resolution (200 ppi e-ink vs. 600+ ppi for print), limited battery life, bulk, storage capacity, etc., not to mention cost (not just direct, but transportation, storage, disposal, etc.
), will all favor e-books in 15 years.
Resolution (my particular nit) will probably take the longest, but it will happen.
2) I doubt a personal e-book 'reader' will last long in the marketplace.
It's too big and bulky to be 'just' an e-book reader.
Why not make it a web-browser?
95\% percent of what you need to do that is there.
E-mail?  Terminal access?
A cell phone with a bluetooth earbud?
A movie watcher?
It will become a general purpose computing device just like cell phones are becoming.
3) It won't succeed until an Apple-like company makes it so stunningly easy to use and manage that its advantages are clear.
A cellphone and a smart cellphone are quite similar, so the idea of an iPhone/Treo (a general purpose computer that happens to be a cell phone) was not so hard to get accepted.
A tablet-like device has no commonly existing parellel right now, and the existing examples are weak, to put it mildly.
It will have to be wildly simple and pleasant to use...

4) Once most books are no longer printed, it remains an open question whether it will make censorship of ideas easier or harder.
I haven't been able to come up with a convincing argument either way.
DRM is also still an open question, although you can make a good argument that a DRMed device will fail in the marketplace.
Maybe.

There will be a great e-book reader one day, but it won't be called that.
It will be part of a package that can do far more.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29789873</id>
	<title>As a part of the biz...</title>
	<author>BlackBloq</author>
	<datestamp>1255886220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can tell you they just don't understand the market.  Selling 100,000 books at 2$ a book profit is great money to a smaller book seller. They don't realize it's possible to make money without shipping a physical copy and that's infinitely easier. Shipping books hurts and in the biz everyone has carried box after box of books. Selling books is hard work. If you can make a small profit on such a slick platform as the itunes store then e-books will take off; Until then it's up to people like me to convince the publisher I work with that all her book catalog won't be pirated to worthlessness the nanosecond she goes e-book.

Repeat after me " A Pirated download is not a lost sale!" (kinda like 5\% of one)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can tell you they just do n't understand the market .
Selling 100,000 books at 2 $ a book profit is great money to a smaller book seller .
They do n't realize it 's possible to make money without shipping a physical copy and that 's infinitely easier .
Shipping books hurts and in the biz everyone has carried box after box of books .
Selling books is hard work .
If you can make a small profit on such a slick platform as the itunes store then e-books will take off ; Until then it 's up to people like me to convince the publisher I work with that all her book catalog wo n't be pirated to worthlessness the nanosecond she goes e-book .
Repeat after me " A Pirated download is not a lost sale !
" ( kinda like 5 \ % of one )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can tell you they just don't understand the market.
Selling 100,000 books at 2$ a book profit is great money to a smaller book seller.
They don't realize it's possible to make money without shipping a physical copy and that's infinitely easier.
Shipping books hurts and in the biz everyone has carried box after box of books.
Selling books is hard work.
If you can make a small profit on such a slick platform as the itunes store then e-books will take off; Until then it's up to people like me to convince the publisher I work with that all her book catalog won't be pirated to worthlessness the nanosecond she goes e-book.
Repeat after me " A Pirated download is not a lost sale!
" (kinda like 5\% of one)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29787789</id>
	<title>Re:Another e-book story...</title>
	<author>QuoteMstr</author>
	<datestamp>1255866900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Eventually, our devices will differ only by form factor. They will all be general-purpose computers capable of running the same software.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Eventually , our devices will differ only by form factor .
They will all be general-purpose computers capable of running the same software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Eventually, our devices will differ only by form factor.
They will all be general-purpose computers capable of running the same software.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29792831</id>
	<title>Re:Another e-book story...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255961220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>German publishers fear piracy, german users avoid those machines because publishers charge more than a paperback price for the ebook edition.<br>Add to that that no one really loves the kindle over here. Sony has a nice machine being sold over here but also treats us as second class citizens, by simply<br>charging more and withholding the latest models although we pay as usual the 1$ == 1&euro; fee.</p><p>I personally have a sony ebook reader and love it, but I converted an entire library of public domain ebooks into epub myself because I did not want to pay the publishers their drug induced fees.</p><p>I dont see any future for ebooks here unless the publishers lower their ebook prices which will likely happen never!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>German publishers fear piracy , german users avoid those machines because publishers charge more than a paperback price for the ebook edition.Add to that that no one really loves the kindle over here .
Sony has a nice machine being sold over here but also treats us as second class citizens , by simplycharging more and withholding the latest models although we pay as usual the 1 $ = = 1    fee.I personally have a sony ebook reader and love it , but I converted an entire library of public domain ebooks into epub myself because I did not want to pay the publishers their drug induced fees.I dont see any future for ebooks here unless the publishers lower their ebook prices which will likely happen never !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>German publishers fear piracy, german users avoid those machines because publishers charge more than a paperback price for the ebook edition.Add to that that no one really loves the kindle over here.
Sony has a nice machine being sold over here but also treats us as second class citizens, by simplycharging more and withholding the latest models although we pay as usual the 1$ == 1€ fee.I personally have a sony ebook reader and love it, but I converted an entire library of public domain ebooks into epub myself because I did not want to pay the publishers their drug induced fees.I dont see any future for ebooks here unless the publishers lower their ebook prices which will likely happen never!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29789017</id>
	<title>mod w0p</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255879740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>appeared...saying number of FrreBSD</htmltext>
<tokenext>appeared...saying number of FrreBSD</tokentext>
<sentencetext>appeared...saying number of FrreBSD</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29786533</id>
	<title>Re:are the US figures really that high?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255857600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Ten times 65,000 e-books sold per week in the U.S. equates to about 34 million per year. </p></div><p>If you think 65,000 * 52 is 34 million, you should buy some math e-books.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ten times 65,000 e-books sold per week in the U.S. equates to about 34 million per year .
If you think 65,000 * 52 is 34 million , you should buy some math e-books .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ten times 65,000 e-books sold per week in the U.S. equates to about 34 million per year.
If you think 65,000 * 52 is 34 million, you should buy some math e-books.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29789099</id>
	<title>I don't know about the Germans, but</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255880760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>as a neighbour from France, which is culturally kinda close I guess, I don't grok the idea of buying content, but not really owning it, being at risk of losing it at any time, either short-term (Amazon pulling it, my reader getting stolen...) or medium/long term (Amazon going out of that business, their readers starting to suck...)</p><p>I'd like a Digital Ownership Law, clearly asserting<br>- resale rights<br>- loan rights<br>- transfer rights (to another reader)<br>- backup rights<br>- standardized DRM with a backup infrastructure in case the initial provider can no longer authenticate content/users.</p><p>Right now, Amazon's plan looks like MS's and Apple's: get user lock-in DRM / format / training / force of habit / DRM.</p><p>I think the next generation of readers, wich will probably be more geared towards replacing magazines, and hopefully integrating the magazines with an on-line community, will have more appeal over here.</p><p>PS: I am reading books an a Palm right now, so I'm not allergic to the concept. Buyers' rights just seem inexistant right now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>as a neighbour from France , which is culturally kinda close I guess , I do n't grok the idea of buying content , but not really owning it , being at risk of losing it at any time , either short-term ( Amazon pulling it , my reader getting stolen... ) or medium/long term ( Amazon going out of that business , their readers starting to suck... ) I 'd like a Digital Ownership Law , clearly asserting- resale rights- loan rights- transfer rights ( to another reader ) - backup rights- standardized DRM with a backup infrastructure in case the initial provider can no longer authenticate content/users.Right now , Amazon 's plan looks like MS 's and Apple 's : get user lock-in DRM / format / training / force of habit / DRM.I think the next generation of readers , wich will probably be more geared towards replacing magazines , and hopefully integrating the magazines with an on-line community , will have more appeal over here.PS : I am reading books an a Palm right now , so I 'm not allergic to the concept .
Buyers ' rights just seem inexistant right now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>as a neighbour from France, which is culturally kinda close I guess, I don't grok the idea of buying content, but not really owning it, being at risk of losing it at any time, either short-term (Amazon pulling it, my reader getting stolen...) or medium/long term (Amazon going out of that business, their readers starting to suck...)I'd like a Digital Ownership Law, clearly asserting- resale rights- loan rights- transfer rights (to another reader)- backup rights- standardized DRM with a backup infrastructure in case the initial provider can no longer authenticate content/users.Right now, Amazon's plan looks like MS's and Apple's: get user lock-in DRM / format / training / force of habit / DRM.I think the next generation of readers, wich will probably be more geared towards replacing magazines, and hopefully integrating the magazines with an on-line community, will have more appeal over here.PS: I am reading books an a Palm right now, so I'm not allergic to the concept.
Buyers' rights just seem inexistant right now.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29787141</id>
	<title>books vs. ebooks</title>
	<author>David Jao</author>
	<datestamp>1255861860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The whole dichotomy over printed books vs. ebooks just seems strange. You don't have to choose one or the other, you can have both. And you don't need a special ebook device; most of the key benefits of electronic books are available on an ordinary laptop with a PDF reader.
<p>
This is, of course, assuming that the publishers and lobbyists get it right, and don't destroy the entire product category out of greed.
</p><p>
Advantages of ebooks that you will never get in a printed book:
</p><ul>
<li>Text search. This is especially important in academics and research. You want to find where a phrase is defined and you don't want to read the whole book to find it. An index is a far inferior alternative.</li>
<li>Did I mention search? Well, it's not limited to just one book. You can go online to google books and search for a phrase in every book ever published. This achievement is stunning when you think about it. The fact that publishers seem determined to kill this golden goose with their greed is pretty depressing.</li>
<li>Portability. Sure, if you have one single book vs. one Kindle, the comparison is pretty favorable towards the book. But a Kindle can hold several hundred books, and a laptop can hold tens of thousands. When traveling, it's not even a question of books vs. ebooks, since 10000 printed books are physically impossible to carry with you. Oh, and of course, you can perform text search across all those books too.</li>
<li>Ease of copying and backup. The publishers hate this one, and try to do everything they can to prevent it, but for the user it's a boon.</li>
</ul><p>
Of course, printed books have advantages too: higher resolution, low tech, can read in bathtub, doesn't matter as much if you lose one. So there is room for both formats in this world. What would make sense is for publishers to automatically supply the electronic rights to anyone who purchases a physical volume. That would greatly increase the value proposition in a book purchase, and (dare I say) expand their market and profits. It's frustrating that everyone except the publishers themselves seems to realize this.
</p><p>
Well, that last bit has an important and noteworthy exception. In academic publishing (journals and such), it is the norm rather than the exception for publishers to provide electronic rights to libraries and institutions that purchase the corresponding physical copy. So there is hope that the rest of the industry can come to their senses in time.
</p><p>
It's worth mentioning that technological progress (if not stymied by the copyright lobby) will eventually bring to ebooks all the advantages of printed books, whereas no amount of progress (short of replacing books with ebooks) will allow printed books to compete with the advantages of ebooks. The resolution of ebooks will improve, and it is at least conceivable that they can be engineered to last months on a single battery charge, or be waterproof, or become cheap enough that you wouldn't mind losing the hardware (the content will, of course, be easy to back up, once the DRM fetish subsides). So, for now, we have a choice of printed books vs. ebooks, but in the future I see ebooks taking over.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The whole dichotomy over printed books vs. ebooks just seems strange .
You do n't have to choose one or the other , you can have both .
And you do n't need a special ebook device ; most of the key benefits of electronic books are available on an ordinary laptop with a PDF reader .
This is , of course , assuming that the publishers and lobbyists get it right , and do n't destroy the entire product category out of greed .
Advantages of ebooks that you will never get in a printed book : Text search .
This is especially important in academics and research .
You want to find where a phrase is defined and you do n't want to read the whole book to find it .
An index is a far inferior alternative .
Did I mention search ?
Well , it 's not limited to just one book .
You can go online to google books and search for a phrase in every book ever published .
This achievement is stunning when you think about it .
The fact that publishers seem determined to kill this golden goose with their greed is pretty depressing .
Portability. Sure , if you have one single book vs. one Kindle , the comparison is pretty favorable towards the book .
But a Kindle can hold several hundred books , and a laptop can hold tens of thousands .
When traveling , it 's not even a question of books vs. ebooks , since 10000 printed books are physically impossible to carry with you .
Oh , and of course , you can perform text search across all those books too .
Ease of copying and backup .
The publishers hate this one , and try to do everything they can to prevent it , but for the user it 's a boon .
Of course , printed books have advantages too : higher resolution , low tech , can read in bathtub , does n't matter as much if you lose one .
So there is room for both formats in this world .
What would make sense is for publishers to automatically supply the electronic rights to anyone who purchases a physical volume .
That would greatly increase the value proposition in a book purchase , and ( dare I say ) expand their market and profits .
It 's frustrating that everyone except the publishers themselves seems to realize this .
Well , that last bit has an important and noteworthy exception .
In academic publishing ( journals and such ) , it is the norm rather than the exception for publishers to provide electronic rights to libraries and institutions that purchase the corresponding physical copy .
So there is hope that the rest of the industry can come to their senses in time .
It 's worth mentioning that technological progress ( if not stymied by the copyright lobby ) will eventually bring to ebooks all the advantages of printed books , whereas no amount of progress ( short of replacing books with ebooks ) will allow printed books to compete with the advantages of ebooks .
The resolution of ebooks will improve , and it is at least conceivable that they can be engineered to last months on a single battery charge , or be waterproof , or become cheap enough that you would n't mind losing the hardware ( the content will , of course , be easy to back up , once the DRM fetish subsides ) .
So , for now , we have a choice of printed books vs. ebooks , but in the future I see ebooks taking over .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The whole dichotomy over printed books vs. ebooks just seems strange.
You don't have to choose one or the other, you can have both.
And you don't need a special ebook device; most of the key benefits of electronic books are available on an ordinary laptop with a PDF reader.
This is, of course, assuming that the publishers and lobbyists get it right, and don't destroy the entire product category out of greed.
Advantages of ebooks that you will never get in a printed book:

Text search.
This is especially important in academics and research.
You want to find where a phrase is defined and you don't want to read the whole book to find it.
An index is a far inferior alternative.
Did I mention search?
Well, it's not limited to just one book.
You can go online to google books and search for a phrase in every book ever published.
This achievement is stunning when you think about it.
The fact that publishers seem determined to kill this golden goose with their greed is pretty depressing.
Portability. Sure, if you have one single book vs. one Kindle, the comparison is pretty favorable towards the book.
But a Kindle can hold several hundred books, and a laptop can hold tens of thousands.
When traveling, it's not even a question of books vs. ebooks, since 10000 printed books are physically impossible to carry with you.
Oh, and of course, you can perform text search across all those books too.
Ease of copying and backup.
The publishers hate this one, and try to do everything they can to prevent it, but for the user it's a boon.
Of course, printed books have advantages too: higher resolution, low tech, can read in bathtub, doesn't matter as much if you lose one.
So there is room for both formats in this world.
What would make sense is for publishers to automatically supply the electronic rights to anyone who purchases a physical volume.
That would greatly increase the value proposition in a book purchase, and (dare I say) expand their market and profits.
It's frustrating that everyone except the publishers themselves seems to realize this.
Well, that last bit has an important and noteworthy exception.
In academic publishing (journals and such), it is the norm rather than the exception for publishers to provide electronic rights to libraries and institutions that purchase the corresponding physical copy.
So there is hope that the rest of the industry can come to their senses in time.
It's worth mentioning that technological progress (if not stymied by the copyright lobby) will eventually bring to ebooks all the advantages of printed books, whereas no amount of progress (short of replacing books with ebooks) will allow printed books to compete with the advantages of ebooks.
The resolution of ebooks will improve, and it is at least conceivable that they can be engineered to last months on a single battery charge, or be waterproof, or become cheap enough that you wouldn't mind losing the hardware (the content will, of course, be easy to back up, once the DRM fetish subsides).
So, for now, we have a choice of printed books vs. ebooks, but in the future I see ebooks taking over.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29786573</id>
	<title>Is America really all that different?</title>
	<author>93 Escort Wagon</author>
	<datestamp>1255857900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>... only one in 12 Germans has a clear idea about what an e-book is, and seven out of 10 of them would prefer a printed version over a digital one.</p></div><p>Maybe a higher percentage of Americans than Germans know what an ebook is - maybe not. But my gut tells me that we probably match up similarly in terms of preferring a printed book over a digital book, since I hear that all the time (even from a fair number of techies).</p><p>I have no doubt the tech will continue to evolve until someone gets it right, and finally makes digital more convenient than paper. It's not there yet, except for the small number of people that use multiple books at the same time (e.g. students) - and even in those cases, DRM, non-availability of many titles, and other issues deleteriously affect their ebook experience.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... only one in 12 Germans has a clear idea about what an e-book is , and seven out of 10 of them would prefer a printed version over a digital one.Maybe a higher percentage of Americans than Germans know what an ebook is - maybe not .
But my gut tells me that we probably match up similarly in terms of preferring a printed book over a digital book , since I hear that all the time ( even from a fair number of techies ) .I have no doubt the tech will continue to evolve until someone gets it right , and finally makes digital more convenient than paper .
It 's not there yet , except for the small number of people that use multiple books at the same time ( e.g .
students ) - and even in those cases , DRM , non-availability of many titles , and other issues deleteriously affect their ebook experience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ... only one in 12 Germans has a clear idea about what an e-book is, and seven out of 10 of them would prefer a printed version over a digital one.Maybe a higher percentage of Americans than Germans know what an ebook is - maybe not.
But my gut tells me that we probably match up similarly in terms of preferring a printed book over a digital book, since I hear that all the time (even from a fair number of techies).I have no doubt the tech will continue to evolve until someone gets it right, and finally makes digital more convenient than paper.
It's not there yet, except for the small number of people that use multiple books at the same time (e.g.
students) - and even in those cases, DRM, non-availability of many titles, and other issues deleteriously affect their ebook experience.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29813591</id>
	<title>No news here...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256030040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Germans are notoriously cool to <i>everything.</i> <br>
<br>
Except for Hasselhoff.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Germans are notoriously cool to everything .
Except for Hasselhoff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Germans are notoriously cool to everything.
Except for Hasselhoff.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29786485</id>
	<title>Why would I want a single-purpose ebook reader?</title>
	<author>Jane Q. Public</author>
	<datestamp>1255857180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is something I do not understand. I am sure that the readers are easier to read than something smaller like, say, a smartphone or palm pilot. But, on the other hand, when I am at home I have my computer, and when I am mobile I don't want to carry something as large as an e-book reader around.
<br> <br>
I have done just fine reading e-books on things like Palm and smartphone. And an additional benefit is that they tend to support many more formats, not just a single, proprietary, DRMed format.
<br> <br>
All in all, I think for most people an e-book reader is simply not worth the money. Sure, some people use them heavily but until it is merged with my super-small laptop, or super-large smartphone, or (more likely) all 3 in one unit, I will just stay away from proprietary e-book readers. There is nothing there for me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is something I do not understand .
I am sure that the readers are easier to read than something smaller like , say , a smartphone or palm pilot .
But , on the other hand , when I am at home I have my computer , and when I am mobile I do n't want to carry something as large as an e-book reader around .
I have done just fine reading e-books on things like Palm and smartphone .
And an additional benefit is that they tend to support many more formats , not just a single , proprietary , DRMed format .
All in all , I think for most people an e-book reader is simply not worth the money .
Sure , some people use them heavily but until it is merged with my super-small laptop , or super-large smartphone , or ( more likely ) all 3 in one unit , I will just stay away from proprietary e-book readers .
There is nothing there for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is something I do not understand.
I am sure that the readers are easier to read than something smaller like, say, a smartphone or palm pilot.
But, on the other hand, when I am at home I have my computer, and when I am mobile I don't want to carry something as large as an e-book reader around.
I have done just fine reading e-books on things like Palm and smartphone.
And an additional benefit is that they tend to support many more formats, not just a single, proprietary, DRMed format.
All in all, I think for most people an e-book reader is simply not worth the money.
Sure, some people use them heavily but until it is merged with my super-small laptop, or super-large smartphone, or (more likely) all 3 in one unit, I will just stay away from proprietary e-book readers.
There is nothing there for me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29787057</id>
	<title>No thanks</title>
	<author>ISurfTooMuch</author>
	<datestamp>1255861320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just don't see e-books catching on.  Even if the technology matures to make them just as legible as a printed book, that isn't the thing that will make them popular.  It's a convenience thing.  For example, my wife just bought a few books the other day.  Yesterday, she loaned one to her mom, who read it and returned it.  And today, she loaned it to her sister, who took it back home with her, which is several hundred miles away.  Now, while this process COULD be easier with an e-book, since you could easily transfer the file over the Internet, the publishers will never allow this.  Not only that, but good luck selling e-books you've already read to someone else.</p><p>Finally, there's the issue of longevity.  Books can last for hundreds of years if they're printed on acid-free paper and properly cared for.  With an e-book, while the file could be preserved, you run into the issue of making sure a reader manufactured, say, 200 years from now can still open it.  I'm sure you could write data conversion software to keep the files current, but I think the publishers would resist, since they'd want you to buy new versions of the same work.  And, unless you have multiple backups, one catastrophic media failure could wipe out your entire library.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just do n't see e-books catching on .
Even if the technology matures to make them just as legible as a printed book , that is n't the thing that will make them popular .
It 's a convenience thing .
For example , my wife just bought a few books the other day .
Yesterday , she loaned one to her mom , who read it and returned it .
And today , she loaned it to her sister , who took it back home with her , which is several hundred miles away .
Now , while this process COULD be easier with an e-book , since you could easily transfer the file over the Internet , the publishers will never allow this .
Not only that , but good luck selling e-books you 've already read to someone else.Finally , there 's the issue of longevity .
Books can last for hundreds of years if they 're printed on acid-free paper and properly cared for .
With an e-book , while the file could be preserved , you run into the issue of making sure a reader manufactured , say , 200 years from now can still open it .
I 'm sure you could write data conversion software to keep the files current , but I think the publishers would resist , since they 'd want you to buy new versions of the same work .
And , unless you have multiple backups , one catastrophic media failure could wipe out your entire library .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just don't see e-books catching on.
Even if the technology matures to make them just as legible as a printed book, that isn't the thing that will make them popular.
It's a convenience thing.
For example, my wife just bought a few books the other day.
Yesterday, she loaned one to her mom, who read it and returned it.
And today, she loaned it to her sister, who took it back home with her, which is several hundred miles away.
Now, while this process COULD be easier with an e-book, since you could easily transfer the file over the Internet, the publishers will never allow this.
Not only that, but good luck selling e-books you've already read to someone else.Finally, there's the issue of longevity.
Books can last for hundreds of years if they're printed on acid-free paper and properly cared for.
With an e-book, while the file could be preserved, you run into the issue of making sure a reader manufactured, say, 200 years from now can still open it.
I'm sure you could write data conversion software to keep the files current, but I think the publishers would resist, since they'd want you to buy new versions of the same work.
And, unless you have multiple backups, one catastrophic media failure could wipe out your entire library.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29791837</id>
	<title>Re:books vs. ebooks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255952820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The fact that DRM is not really an option (copy protection can always be cracked) and thus digital books can be copied for free is precisely why publishers might want to stay away, I am guessing.</p><p>The business model for books works roughly like this; you print a paperback (black and white offset, 144 pages say) for say 1.25 dollars (if you do a run of a few thousand). Rule of thumb is cover price should be eight times that, so 10 dollars (so you pay 10 dollars in a shop). Depending on the shop, 50\% or 60\% of that amount goes to the shop keeper (distributor also takes some, but we're talking ball-park figures here). Lets say 50\%. That leaves the publisher with 35\%, of which the author typically gets 10\%.</p><p>Now, it is interesting to note that if you want a copy of the book, you can either buy the book for 10 dollars, or make a copy for yourself at the local kinko's. The thing is, your copy will be more expensive and of less quality! Effectively there is currently no incentive to make a copy of a (paper-based) book, as you can get a better-quality version for less money in a bookshop.</p><p>This changes when books get distributed digitally.DRM will not be a real option, it can always be cracked, and so suddenly you will be able to make a copy for free that is exactly as good as the original.</p><p>You can argue that you take out the middle-men (bookshop and distributor) and printing cost, so you can drop the price and still make the same profit per book, but the fact that you can then make perfect copies for free will put pressure on book prices.</p><p>Amongst the people who will suffer from this will also be the authors of the books. Similar to what happened in the music industry, where you could suddenly make copies that were as good as the original, people stopped buying CD's. Artists suffered too.</p><p>Ebook readers are a real threat to the book publishing industry I think. Or at the very least a threat to their current business model. And it will be hard for them to find another model that is as profitable as this one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The fact that DRM is not really an option ( copy protection can always be cracked ) and thus digital books can be copied for free is precisely why publishers might want to stay away , I am guessing.The business model for books works roughly like this ; you print a paperback ( black and white offset , 144 pages say ) for say 1.25 dollars ( if you do a run of a few thousand ) .
Rule of thumb is cover price should be eight times that , so 10 dollars ( so you pay 10 dollars in a shop ) .
Depending on the shop , 50 \ % or 60 \ % of that amount goes to the shop keeper ( distributor also takes some , but we 're talking ball-park figures here ) .
Lets say 50 \ % .
That leaves the publisher with 35 \ % , of which the author typically gets 10 \ % .Now , it is interesting to note that if you want a copy of the book , you can either buy the book for 10 dollars , or make a copy for yourself at the local kinko 's .
The thing is , your copy will be more expensive and of less quality !
Effectively there is currently no incentive to make a copy of a ( paper-based ) book , as you can get a better-quality version for less money in a bookshop.This changes when books get distributed digitally.DRM will not be a real option , it can always be cracked , and so suddenly you will be able to make a copy for free that is exactly as good as the original.You can argue that you take out the middle-men ( bookshop and distributor ) and printing cost , so you can drop the price and still make the same profit per book , but the fact that you can then make perfect copies for free will put pressure on book prices.Amongst the people who will suffer from this will also be the authors of the books .
Similar to what happened in the music industry , where you could suddenly make copies that were as good as the original , people stopped buying CD 's .
Artists suffered too.Ebook readers are a real threat to the book publishing industry I think .
Or at the very least a threat to their current business model .
And it will be hard for them to find another model that is as profitable as this one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fact that DRM is not really an option (copy protection can always be cracked) and thus digital books can be copied for free is precisely why publishers might want to stay away, I am guessing.The business model for books works roughly like this; you print a paperback (black and white offset, 144 pages say) for say 1.25 dollars (if you do a run of a few thousand).
Rule of thumb is cover price should be eight times that, so 10 dollars (so you pay 10 dollars in a shop).
Depending on the shop, 50\% or 60\% of that amount goes to the shop keeper (distributor also takes some, but we're talking ball-park figures here).
Lets say 50\%.
That leaves the publisher with 35\%, of which the author typically gets 10\%.Now, it is interesting to note that if you want a copy of the book, you can either buy the book for 10 dollars, or make a copy for yourself at the local kinko's.
The thing is, your copy will be more expensive and of less quality!
Effectively there is currently no incentive to make a copy of a (paper-based) book, as you can get a better-quality version for less money in a bookshop.This changes when books get distributed digitally.DRM will not be a real option, it can always be cracked, and so suddenly you will be able to make a copy for free that is exactly as good as the original.You can argue that you take out the middle-men (bookshop and distributor) and printing cost, so you can drop the price and still make the same profit per book, but the fact that you can then make perfect copies for free will put pressure on book prices.Amongst the people who will suffer from this will also be the authors of the books.
Similar to what happened in the music industry, where you could suddenly make copies that were as good as the original, people stopped buying CD's.
Artists suffered too.Ebook readers are a real threat to the book publishing industry I think.
Or at the very least a threat to their current business model.
And it will be hard for them to find another model that is as profitable as this one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29789511</id>
	<title>Re:books vs. ebooks</title>
	<author>thesandtiger</author>
	<datestamp>1255883700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I read my Kindle in the tub all the time; I put it in a big ziploc baggie and it stays perfectly dry.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I read my Kindle in the tub all the time ; I put it in a big ziploc baggie and it stays perfectly dry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I read my Kindle in the tub all the time; I put it in a big ziploc baggie and it stays perfectly dry.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29786751</id>
	<title>Yes, as a German publisher...</title>
	<author>RevWaldo</author>
	<datestamp>1255858920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>..I have for years struggled with bringing ebooks to market. I have even written a book about my experience. I am simply calling it "Mein K\%*^*(^$(&amp;^(*&amp;*($&gt;&gt;&gt;NO CARRIER</htmltext>
<tokenext>..I have for years struggled with bringing ebooks to market .
I have even written a book about my experience .
I am simply calling it " Mein K \ % * ^ * ( ^ $ ( &amp; ^ ( * &amp; * ( $ &gt; &gt; &gt; NO CARRIER</tokentext>
<sentencetext>..I have for years struggled with bringing ebooks to market.
I have even written a book about my experience.
I am simply calling it "Mein K\%*^*(^$(&amp;^(*&amp;*($&gt;&gt;&gt;NO CARRIER</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29788391</id>
	<title>E-Books in Germany.. more.</title>
	<author>missioncreep</author>
	<datestamp>1255873080000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Spiegel article isn't the last word in the discussion. The Frankfurt Book Fair has been in full swing this week, and e-books have gotten a lot of quite decently balanced press as a result, expressed within the larger context of the current state of publishing in Germany.
<p>
The Germans do fix all prices, across the board, from apples to undies. Getting around that will be a big obstacle to releasing a 'critical mass' of material into the marketplace, which will in turn impede adoption of reader devices. The overall conservatism and lack of imagination of the average German is likely to be another. But authors who don't want to be jerked around by publishers are finding other outlets, like the admittedly itty-bitty Textunes.de, and libreka.de.
</p><p>
But I think the biggest problem may be that Amazon is not offering titles *in German* concurrent with its launch of the international version of the device. There are certainly sound business reasons behind that decision -- among them the likelihood that Amazon has not managed to complete negotiations with publishers in time for the launch. But it gives an appearance of corporate tone-deafness that could hurt the entire industry. But it might also give the Sony Touch a boost. Who knows.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Spiegel article is n't the last word in the discussion .
The Frankfurt Book Fair has been in full swing this week , and e-books have gotten a lot of quite decently balanced press as a result , expressed within the larger context of the current state of publishing in Germany .
The Germans do fix all prices , across the board , from apples to undies .
Getting around that will be a big obstacle to releasing a 'critical mass ' of material into the marketplace , which will in turn impede adoption of reader devices .
The overall conservatism and lack of imagination of the average German is likely to be another .
But authors who do n't want to be jerked around by publishers are finding other outlets , like the admittedly itty-bitty Textunes.de , and libreka.de .
But I think the biggest problem may be that Amazon is not offering titles * in German * concurrent with its launch of the international version of the device .
There are certainly sound business reasons behind that decision -- among them the likelihood that Amazon has not managed to complete negotiations with publishers in time for the launch .
But it gives an appearance of corporate tone-deafness that could hurt the entire industry .
But it might also give the Sony Touch a boost .
Who knows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Spiegel article isn't the last word in the discussion.
The Frankfurt Book Fair has been in full swing this week, and e-books have gotten a lot of quite decently balanced press as a result, expressed within the larger context of the current state of publishing in Germany.
The Germans do fix all prices, across the board, from apples to undies.
Getting around that will be a big obstacle to releasing a 'critical mass' of material into the marketplace, which will in turn impede adoption of reader devices.
The overall conservatism and lack of imagination of the average German is likely to be another.
But authors who don't want to be jerked around by publishers are finding other outlets, like the admittedly itty-bitty Textunes.de, and libreka.de.
But I think the biggest problem may be that Amazon is not offering titles *in German* concurrent with its launch of the international version of the device.
There are certainly sound business reasons behind that decision -- among them the likelihood that Amazon has not managed to complete negotiations with publishers in time for the launch.
But it gives an appearance of corporate tone-deafness that could hurt the entire industry.
But it might also give the Sony Touch a boost.
Who knows.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29786727</id>
	<title>Re:Why would I want a single-purpose ebook reader?</title>
	<author>rossdee</author>
	<datestamp>1255858800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree - I havr no real need for a portabe stand alone e-reader. I read (novels) at home, since I don't get a(n official) break at work, and I either walk to/from work or someone gives me a ride (less than 5 minutes. (BTW I work night shift.</p><p>For those people that have long mass transit commutes, and hour lunches an e-reader might be more useful.</p><p>I would (and in fact do) spend $5-6 on an e-book in HTML of PDF, compared with $7.99 plus tax or shipping for the cheapest dead tree version.</p><p>I might buy e-books from amazon if they came up with a reader program that ran on my computer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree - I havr no real need for a portabe stand alone e-reader .
I read ( novels ) at home , since I do n't get a ( n official ) break at work , and I either walk to/from work or someone gives me a ride ( less than 5 minutes .
( BTW I work night shift.For those people that have long mass transit commutes , and hour lunches an e-reader might be more useful.I would ( and in fact do ) spend $ 5-6 on an e-book in HTML of PDF , compared with $ 7.99 plus tax or shipping for the cheapest dead tree version.I might buy e-books from amazon if they came up with a reader program that ran on my computer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree - I havr no real need for a portabe stand alone e-reader.
I read (novels) at home, since I don't get a(n official) break at work, and I either walk to/from work or someone gives me a ride (less than 5 minutes.
(BTW I work night shift.For those people that have long mass transit commutes, and hour lunches an e-reader might be more useful.I would (and in fact do) spend $5-6 on an e-book in HTML of PDF, compared with $7.99 plus tax or shipping for the cheapest dead tree version.I might buy e-books from amazon if they came up with a reader program that ran on my computer.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29801599</id>
	<title>Re:Another e-book story...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255954140000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"...that hits all the same notes. E-books will take over the world, why are the German publishing houses sticking their heads in the sand, etc. I've thought about it quite a bit, since I have a strong personal preference for printed books, and have debated the topic with passionate advocates of e-books. I've come to a few conclusions:<br>"</p><p>I guess you have been not been an long term user of computers.  E-books will take over<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... for all types of pulp fiction books, read, delete and forget within a generation of e-book reading devices. For real import information e-books are useless. Just look back: I cannot read any computer disks older than 10 years. I still have punch cards from the 70s, 8" floppy, tapes from the 80s and 90es, Iomage jazz and zip drives, all useless on modern computers. File formats are not compatibles, my 8 year old palm is not supported any more, any you people write "E-books will take over the world"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...??  I have worked with over 20 OS in the last 30 years  The books, however, I bought in my childhood, are still there, they are readable without charging up batteries, without licencing issues, without bound to a reading device which will be dead in 2-4 years!  The most important pieces of information for man-kind lasts 2000 years and more. Who can give a perpective for e-books for even the next 10 years?</p><p>Peoply wine about price, but e-books are realy expensive if nobody can guaranty its lifetime to the user for 50 and more years. We will end up buying a book over and over again, each time, a new standard, a new gadge comes out. We will spent lots of time thinging about copying reformating and transfering files from one hot toy to the next-- which are probably prohibited by the licences anyway.</p><p>10 Years ago everbody bough a palm, its dead now, now people  buy iphones or e-books. They will be dead in ten years time considering the technological advances in the past.  My paper books are low maintenence and easy transferably. They will be even be readable in 200 years by my offsprings! Where will be the e-books? I guess on the electron grave yard like some many "high-tech" gadges I encounted in the last 30 years.</p><p>Do not get me wrong. I am not against an e-book. But as long as the company who sells that device cannot give me a lifelong warranty (50years !) for the device and all content on it, its wothless to me. Otherwise an e-book is worthless to me. Its only a trap the industry wants to fall into. They are saving by giving us nothing (a file?) for lot of money. They save by not printing and not shipping any books.</p><p>Good luck guys with your e-books.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" ...that hits all the same notes .
E-books will take over the world , why are the German publishing houses sticking their heads in the sand , etc .
I 've thought about it quite a bit , since I have a strong personal preference for printed books , and have debated the topic with passionate advocates of e-books .
I 've come to a few conclusions : " I guess you have been not been an long term user of computers .
E-books will take over ... for all types of pulp fiction books , read , delete and forget within a generation of e-book reading devices .
For real import information e-books are useless .
Just look back : I can not read any computer disks older than 10 years .
I still have punch cards from the 70s , 8 " floppy , tapes from the 80s and 90es , Iomage jazz and zip drives , all useless on modern computers .
File formats are not compatibles , my 8 year old palm is not supported any more , any you people write " E-books will take over the world " ... ? ?
I have worked with over 20 OS in the last 30 years The books , however , I bought in my childhood , are still there , they are readable without charging up batteries , without licencing issues , without bound to a reading device which will be dead in 2-4 years !
The most important pieces of information for man-kind lasts 2000 years and more .
Who can give a perpective for e-books for even the next 10 years ? Peoply wine about price , but e-books are realy expensive if nobody can guaranty its lifetime to the user for 50 and more years .
We will end up buying a book over and over again , each time , a new standard , a new gadge comes out .
We will spent lots of time thinging about copying reformating and transfering files from one hot toy to the next-- which are probably prohibited by the licences anyway.10 Years ago everbody bough a palm , its dead now , now people buy iphones or e-books .
They will be dead in ten years time considering the technological advances in the past .
My paper books are low maintenence and easy transferably .
They will be even be readable in 200 years by my offsprings !
Where will be the e-books ?
I guess on the electron grave yard like some many " high-tech " gadges I encounted in the last 30 years.Do not get me wrong .
I am not against an e-book .
But as long as the company who sells that device can not give me a lifelong warranty ( 50years !
) for the device and all content on it , its wothless to me .
Otherwise an e-book is worthless to me .
Its only a trap the industry wants to fall into .
They are saving by giving us nothing ( a file ?
) for lot of money .
They save by not printing and not shipping any books.Good luck guys with your e-books .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"...that hits all the same notes.
E-books will take over the world, why are the German publishing houses sticking their heads in the sand, etc.
I've thought about it quite a bit, since I have a strong personal preference for printed books, and have debated the topic with passionate advocates of e-books.
I've come to a few conclusions:"I guess you have been not been an long term user of computers.
E-books will take over ... for all types of pulp fiction books, read, delete and forget within a generation of e-book reading devices.
For real import information e-books are useless.
Just look back: I cannot read any computer disks older than 10 years.
I still have punch cards from the 70s, 8" floppy, tapes from the 80s and 90es, Iomage jazz and zip drives, all useless on modern computers.
File formats are not compatibles, my 8 year old palm is not supported any more, any you people write "E-books will take over the world" ...??
I have worked with over 20 OS in the last 30 years  The books, however, I bought in my childhood, are still there, they are readable without charging up batteries, without licencing issues, without bound to a reading device which will be dead in 2-4 years!
The most important pieces of information for man-kind lasts 2000 years and more.
Who can give a perpective for e-books for even the next 10 years?Peoply wine about price, but e-books are realy expensive if nobody can guaranty its lifetime to the user for 50 and more years.
We will end up buying a book over and over again, each time, a new standard, a new gadge comes out.
We will spent lots of time thinging about copying reformating and transfering files from one hot toy to the next-- which are probably prohibited by the licences anyway.10 Years ago everbody bough a palm, its dead now, now people  buy iphones or e-books.
They will be dead in ten years time considering the technological advances in the past.
My paper books are low maintenence and easy transferably.
They will be even be readable in 200 years by my offsprings!
Where will be the e-books?
I guess on the electron grave yard like some many "high-tech" gadges I encounted in the last 30 years.Do not get me wrong.
I am not against an e-book.
But as long as the company who sells that device cannot give me a lifelong warranty (50years !
) for the device and all content on it, its wothless to me.
Otherwise an e-book is worthless to me.
Its only a trap the industry wants to fall into.
They are saving by giving us nothing (a file?
) for lot of money.
They save by not printing and not shipping any books.Good luck guys with your e-books.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29786309</id>
	<title>are the US figures really that high?</title>
	<author>Trepidity</author>
	<datestamp>1255899060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ten times 65,000 e-books sold per week in the U.S. equates to about 34 million per year. Sales are really that high? Is this including magazines and newspaper, or just actual books?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ten times 65,000 e-books sold per week in the U.S. equates to about 34 million per year .
Sales are really that high ?
Is this including magazines and newspaper , or just actual books ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ten times 65,000 e-books sold per week in the U.S. equates to about 34 million per year.
Sales are really that high?
Is this including magazines and newspaper, or just actual books?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29786935</id>
	<title>Re:So the lesson is...</title>
	<author>jmorris42</author>
	<datestamp>1255860420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; If you artificially prop up prices for the benefit of a few, then competition and innovation<br>&gt; that would benefit the broader consumer market can suffer.</p><p>No, the lessons are bigger than that.</p><p>If you regulate prices you set the system at that moment into stone, the current winners and losers get fixed into law.  Innovation becomes virtually illegal.  It isn't just consumers who lose, everyone except the government blessed winners lose.  And of course the government itself which gains power and can be assured the support of those who depend upon it for monopoly rents.</p><p>In short, government price fixing, regulation and government in general are BAD.  Some government is a necessary evil at this point in our philosophical development but we must realize that it is always evil and thus to me kept carefully chained lest it destroy us.  Worse than fire or even fissile material.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; If you artificially prop up prices for the benefit of a few , then competition and innovation &gt; that would benefit the broader consumer market can suffer.No , the lessons are bigger than that.If you regulate prices you set the system at that moment into stone , the current winners and losers get fixed into law .
Innovation becomes virtually illegal .
It is n't just consumers who lose , everyone except the government blessed winners lose .
And of course the government itself which gains power and can be assured the support of those who depend upon it for monopoly rents.In short , government price fixing , regulation and government in general are BAD .
Some government is a necessary evil at this point in our philosophical development but we must realize that it is always evil and thus to me kept carefully chained lest it destroy us .
Worse than fire or even fissile material .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; If you artificially prop up prices for the benefit of a few, then competition and innovation&gt; that would benefit the broader consumer market can suffer.No, the lessons are bigger than that.If you regulate prices you set the system at that moment into stone, the current winners and losers get fixed into law.
Innovation becomes virtually illegal.
It isn't just consumers who lose, everyone except the government blessed winners lose.
And of course the government itself which gains power and can be assured the support of those who depend upon it for monopoly rents.In short, government price fixing, regulation and government in general are BAD.
Some government is a necessary evil at this point in our philosophical development but we must realize that it is always evil and thus to me kept carefully chained lest it destroy us.
Worse than fire or even fissile material.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29791193</id>
	<title>Re:So the lesson is...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255943820000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Prices for English / American books are unregulated in Germany - guess about their prices. Yup, usually at least twice the price printed on them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Prices for English / American books are unregulated in Germany - guess about their prices .
Yup , usually at least twice the price printed on them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Prices for English / American books are unregulated in Germany - guess about their prices.
Yup, usually at least twice the price printed on them.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Why would I want a single-purpose ebook reader?</title>
	<author>masmullin</author>
	<datestamp>1255862940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you dont want to carry something as large as an ebook, you also aren't interested in carrying a paper back book around with you either.<br><br>It isnt' the size of the screen that is an issue between ebooks and smartphones, its the backlighting causing eyestrain.  I and many people find that staring at a cellphone for more than 5minutes makes me feel a bit tired, I cant imagine staring at one for 4hours.<br><br>So, my point?  Ereaders are not for casual 15minute reads during your coffee break (although they certainly can be used for that, your cellphone is better because its more portable), Ereaders are competing against paperbooks for the people who like to read for 2+h at at time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you dont want to carry something as large as an ebook , you also are n't interested in carrying a paper back book around with you either.It isnt ' the size of the screen that is an issue between ebooks and smartphones , its the backlighting causing eyestrain .
I and many people find that staring at a cellphone for more than 5minutes makes me feel a bit tired , I cant imagine staring at one for 4hours.So , my point ?
Ereaders are not for casual 15minute reads during your coffee break ( although they certainly can be used for that , your cellphone is better because its more portable ) , Ereaders are competing against paperbooks for the people who like to read for 2 + h at at time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you dont want to carry something as large as an ebook, you also aren't interested in carrying a paper back book around with you either.It isnt' the size of the screen that is an issue between ebooks and smartphones, its the backlighting causing eyestrain.
I and many people find that staring at a cellphone for more than 5minutes makes me feel a bit tired, I cant imagine staring at one for 4hours.So, my point?
Ereaders are not for casual 15minute reads during your coffee break (although they certainly can be used for that, your cellphone is better because its more portable), Ereaders are competing against paperbooks for the people who like to read for 2+h at at time.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29786753</id>
	<title>Re:So the lesson is...</title>
	<author>mrmeval</author>
	<datestamp>1255858920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is a new ruling for German books sold in Austria that takes a stab at the law.</p><p><a href="http://www.thebookseller.com/news/84235-court-rules-out-austrian-fixed-price-imports.html" title="thebookseller.com">http://www.thebookseller.com/news/84235-court-rules-out-austrian-fixed-price-imports.html</a> [thebookseller.com]</p><p>I do not respect this law or it's benefactors and am glad any politician here promoting such would become a pariah.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a new ruling for German books sold in Austria that takes a stab at the law.http : //www.thebookseller.com/news/84235-court-rules-out-austrian-fixed-price-imports.html [ thebookseller.com ] I do not respect this law or it 's benefactors and am glad any politician here promoting such would become a pariah .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a new ruling for German books sold in Austria that takes a stab at the law.http://www.thebookseller.com/news/84235-court-rules-out-austrian-fixed-price-imports.html [thebookseller.com]I do not respect this law or it's benefactors and am glad any politician here promoting such would become a pariah.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29787251</id>
	<title>Re:I don't think it's that much different, here</title>
	<author>masmullin</author>
	<datestamp>1255862520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've seen discounts of 63\% on some ebooks (hardcover and the authors are NYT best sellers).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've seen discounts of 63 \ % on some ebooks ( hardcover and the authors are NYT best sellers ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've seen discounts of 63\% on some ebooks (hardcover and the authors are NYT best sellers).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29791047</id>
	<title>Re:Germany will just have to change</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255984140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>&gt; The Kindle is selling the best in regions such as US, Japan, UK, Norway(I can't explain why), and Australia.<br>&gt; France and Germany don't even make the top 10 on Kindle sales.</p><p>Not surprising. Amazon doesn't offer the Kindle in Germany. They just announced on the mentioned book fair that they now have plans to do so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; The Kindle is selling the best in regions such as US , Japan , UK , Norway ( I ca n't explain why ) , and Australia. &gt; France and Germany do n't even make the top 10 on Kindle sales.Not surprising .
Amazon does n't offer the Kindle in Germany .
They just announced on the mentioned book fair that they now have plans to do so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; The Kindle is selling the best in regions such as US, Japan, UK, Norway(I can't explain why), and Australia.&gt; France and Germany don't even make the top 10 on Kindle sales.Not surprising.
Amazon doesn't offer the Kindle in Germany.
They just announced on the mentioned book fair that they now have plans to do so.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29790791</id>
	<title>Re:Another e-book story...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255894320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>e-books suck! Not only because the DRM and other similar crap but e-book readers are bulky, fragile and just plain uncomfortable to use.<br>Paper rules (or some other form of material that needs no power to display text)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>e-books suck !
Not only because the DRM and other similar crap but e-book readers are bulky , fragile and just plain uncomfortable to use.Paper rules ( or some other form of material that needs no power to display text )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>e-books suck!
Not only because the DRM and other similar crap but e-book readers are bulky, fragile and just plain uncomfortable to use.Paper rules (or some other form of material that needs no power to display text)</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:I don't think it's that much different, here</title>
	<author>Fizzol</author>
	<datestamp>1255863360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>The funny thing is publishers complained for years about the physical cost of books, and used it as a base for low writer royalties. Once that was taken out the equation by ebooks, then suddenly it's all about the cost of editing and layout and so on. Someone along the line wasn't telling the truth, and I'm not inclined to start believing the publishers now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The funny thing is publishers complained for years about the physical cost of books , and used it as a base for low writer royalties .
Once that was taken out the equation by ebooks , then suddenly it 's all about the cost of editing and layout and so on .
Someone along the line was n't telling the truth , and I 'm not inclined to start believing the publishers now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The funny thing is publishers complained for years about the physical cost of books, and used it as a base for low writer royalties.
Once that was taken out the equation by ebooks, then suddenly it's all about the cost of editing and layout and so on.
Someone along the line wasn't telling the truth, and I'm not inclined to start believing the publishers now.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_18_195243.29788889</id>
	<title>Re:Another e-book story...</title>
	<author>Eighty7</author>
	<datestamp>1255878420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>4) Once most books are no longer printed, it remains an open question whether it will make censorship of ideas easier or harder.</p></div></blockquote><p>

The internet has been the greatest force for information dissemination since the printed press. Logically moving to electronic versions of books should increase rather than decrease propagation.</p></div>
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<tokenext>4 ) Once most books are no longer printed , it remains an open question whether it will make censorship of ideas easier or harder .
The internet has been the greatest force for information dissemination since the printed press .
Logically moving to electronic versions of books should increase rather than decrease propagation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>4) Once most books are no longer printed, it remains an open question whether it will make censorship of ideas easier or harder.
The internet has been the greatest force for information dissemination since the printed press.
Logically moving to electronic versions of books should increase rather than decrease propagation.
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	<title>how big is the German book market anyway?</title>
	<author>jipn4</author>
	<datestamp>1255861800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't find any figures on it.  How much do Germans read on average compared to Americans?  To other nations?  How much do they pay on average?  Do price controls on books in Germany actually do anything other than make books more expensive and reduce the number of books Germans actually read?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't find any figures on it .
How much do Germans read on average compared to Americans ?
To other nations ?
How much do they pay on average ?
Do price controls on books in Germany actually do anything other than make books more expensive and reduce the number of books Germans actually read ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't find any figures on it.
How much do Germans read on average compared to Americans?
To other nations?
How much do they pay on average?
Do price controls on books in Germany actually do anything other than make books more expensive and reduce the number of books Germans actually read?</sentencetext>
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	<title>Same as in France alright</title>
	<author>Nicolas MONNET</author>
	<datestamp>1255872960000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Same kind of stupidity here, esp. the part about the intellectual elite. Fucking douchebags hate the internet, and the internet hates them in turn.</p><p>I would point out that the US situation is not significantly different wrt ebooks. When you factor out the difference in book prices, US ebooks (and audiobooks) are still way overpriced, close to the hardcover price.</p><p>Well in fact it's the electronic delivery that's fucked up. I love audiobooks, so that I can "read" while on bicycle, and I wanted to buy Bob Woodward's "the War Within." It's $24 in hardcover, and $20 through Audible.com. But I can't buy through audible, because the sons of bitches insist on fucktarded DRM, and don't support Linux anyway. So instead I bought it in CD format from a third party, for $10 shipping included. It's a complete waste, since I'm just going to waste time ripping it.</p><p>Ebooks should be much cheaper than physical ones. Until they stop treating their customers like shit, they deserve all the piracy they get. Fucking fucktards.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Same kind of stupidity here , esp .
the part about the intellectual elite .
Fucking douchebags hate the internet , and the internet hates them in turn.I would point out that the US situation is not significantly different wrt ebooks .
When you factor out the difference in book prices , US ebooks ( and audiobooks ) are still way overpriced , close to the hardcover price.Well in fact it 's the electronic delivery that 's fucked up .
I love audiobooks , so that I can " read " while on bicycle , and I wanted to buy Bob Woodward 's " the War Within .
" It 's $ 24 in hardcover , and $ 20 through Audible.com .
But I ca n't buy through audible , because the sons of bitches insist on fucktarded DRM , and do n't support Linux anyway .
So instead I bought it in CD format from a third party , for $ 10 shipping included .
It 's a complete waste , since I 'm just going to waste time ripping it.Ebooks should be much cheaper than physical ones .
Until they stop treating their customers like shit , they deserve all the piracy they get .
Fucking fucktards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Same kind of stupidity here, esp.
the part about the intellectual elite.
Fucking douchebags hate the internet, and the internet hates them in turn.I would point out that the US situation is not significantly different wrt ebooks.
When you factor out the difference in book prices, US ebooks (and audiobooks) are still way overpriced, close to the hardcover price.Well in fact it's the electronic delivery that's fucked up.
I love audiobooks, so that I can "read" while on bicycle, and I wanted to buy Bob Woodward's "the War Within.
" It's $24 in hardcover, and $20 through Audible.com.
But I can't buy through audible, because the sons of bitches insist on fucktarded DRM, and don't support Linux anyway.
So instead I bought it in CD format from a third party, for $10 shipping included.
It's a complete waste, since I'm just going to waste time ripping it.Ebooks should be much cheaper than physical ones.
Until they stop treating their customers like shit, they deserve all the piracy they get.
Fucking fucktards.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Audiobooks seems to be the trend</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255883700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The cost of audiobooks in the US is insande. An audio book isn't like a hardcover; I'm goign to keep a dead tree for a long time. However, an audiobook isn't very readable, so I just want to listen to it and return it. nope, they don't have any enduring value to them. So, $30 for a book that I'll read once and throw away (donate to the library, but close enough for me) is not a good choice compared to a $12 paperback. And no, if it's worth buying promptly, I'll buy it in hardcover and read it well, as opposed to an audiobook.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The cost of audiobooks in the US is insande .
An audio book is n't like a hardcover ; I 'm goign to keep a dead tree for a long time .
However , an audiobook is n't very readable , so I just want to listen to it and return it .
nope , they do n't have any enduring value to them .
So , $ 30 for a book that I 'll read once and throw away ( donate to the library , but close enough for me ) is not a good choice compared to a $ 12 paperback .
And no , if it 's worth buying promptly , I 'll buy it in hardcover and read it well , as opposed to an audiobook .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The cost of audiobooks in the US is insande.
An audio book isn't like a hardcover; I'm goign to keep a dead tree for a long time.
However, an audiobook isn't very readable, so I just want to listen to it and return it.
nope, they don't have any enduring value to them.
So, $30 for a book that I'll read once and throw away (donate to the library, but close enough for me) is not a good choice compared to a $12 paperback.
And no, if it's worth buying promptly, I'll buy it in hardcover and read it well, as opposed to an audiobook.</sentencetext>
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