<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_10_17_1750224</id>
	<title>Facial Bones Grown From Fat-Derived Stem Cells</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1255791180000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>TheClockworkSoul sends in an article up at Scientific American, from which we quote: <i>"Stem cells so far have been used to mend tissues ranging from damaged hearts to collapsed tracheas. Now the multifaceted cells have proved successful at <a href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=stem-cells-bone-growth">regrowing bone in humans</a>. In the first procedure of its kind, doctors at Cincinnati Children's Hospital Medical Center replaced a 14-year-old boy's missing cheekbones &mdash; in part by repurposing <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult\_stem\_cell">stem cells</a> from his own body. To create the new bones, which have become part of the patient's own skull structure and have remained securely in place for four and a half months, the medical team used a combination of fat-derived stem cells, donated bone scaffolds, growth factors, and bone-coating tissue. The technique, should it be approved for widespread use, could benefit some seven million people in the US who need more bone &mdash; everyone from cancer patients to injured war veterans."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>TheClockworkSoul sends in an article up at Scientific American , from which we quote : " Stem cells so far have been used to mend tissues ranging from damaged hearts to collapsed tracheas .
Now the multifaceted cells have proved successful at regrowing bone in humans .
In the first procedure of its kind , doctors at Cincinnati Children 's Hospital Medical Center replaced a 14-year-old boy 's missing cheekbones    in part by repurposing stem cells from his own body .
To create the new bones , which have become part of the patient 's own skull structure and have remained securely in place for four and a half months , the medical team used a combination of fat-derived stem cells , donated bone scaffolds , growth factors , and bone-coating tissue .
The technique , should it be approved for widespread use , could benefit some seven million people in the US who need more bone    everyone from cancer patients to injured war veterans .
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<sentencetext>TheClockworkSoul sends in an article up at Scientific American, from which we quote: "Stem cells so far have been used to mend tissues ranging from damaged hearts to collapsed tracheas.
Now the multifaceted cells have proved successful at regrowing bone in humans.
In the first procedure of its kind, doctors at Cincinnati Children's Hospital Medical Center replaced a 14-year-old boy's missing cheekbones — in part by repurposing stem cells from his own body.
To create the new bones, which have become part of the patient's own skull structure and have remained securely in place for four and a half months, the medical team used a combination of fat-derived stem cells, donated bone scaffolds, growth factors, and bone-coating tissue.
The technique, should it be approved for widespread use, could benefit some seven million people in the US who need more bone — everyone from cancer patients to injured war veterans.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_17_1750224.29781741</id>
	<title>Anglo-Saxon Intelligence:  Amazing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255797000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The person who accomplished this breakthrough technology of using stem cells to grow bone is <a href="http://www.cincinnatichildrens.org/svc/alpha/h/hand-upper-extremity/team/members/taylor-jesse.htm" title="cincinnatichildrens.org" rel="nofollow">Jesse A. Taylor</a> [cincinnatichildrens.org].  He is an American of Anglo-Saxon ancestry.
<p>
The scientific and engineering accomplishments of Europeans (and Americans of European ancestry) are astounding.  Some feats include  space travel, quantum physics, high-temperature superconductors, automobiles, etc.
</p><p>
The accomplishments of the Japanese are equally amazing.  They include the hybrid gasoline engine, the blue light-emitting diode, the Yagi antenna, low-cost MRI machines that produce an MRI for only $100, etc.
</p><p>
By contrast, Africans (and Americans of African ancestry) have accomplished little in science and technology.  None of the Nobel prize winners in physics or chemistry is African.
</p><p>
We know that Japanese IQ is about 20 points higher than African IQ.  Could this IQ difference explain why all societies dominated by Africans are gross failures?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The person who accomplished this breakthrough technology of using stem cells to grow bone is Jesse A. Taylor [ cincinnatichildrens.org ] .
He is an American of Anglo-Saxon ancestry .
The scientific and engineering accomplishments of Europeans ( and Americans of European ancestry ) are astounding .
Some feats include space travel , quantum physics , high-temperature superconductors , automobiles , etc .
The accomplishments of the Japanese are equally amazing .
They include the hybrid gasoline engine , the blue light-emitting diode , the Yagi antenna , low-cost MRI machines that produce an MRI for only $ 100 , etc .
By contrast , Africans ( and Americans of African ancestry ) have accomplished little in science and technology .
None of the Nobel prize winners in physics or chemistry is African .
We know that Japanese IQ is about 20 points higher than African IQ .
Could this IQ difference explain why all societies dominated by Africans are gross failures ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The person who accomplished this breakthrough technology of using stem cells to grow bone is Jesse A. Taylor [cincinnatichildrens.org].
He is an American of Anglo-Saxon ancestry.
The scientific and engineering accomplishments of Europeans (and Americans of European ancestry) are astounding.
Some feats include  space travel, quantum physics, high-temperature superconductors, automobiles, etc.
The accomplishments of the Japanese are equally amazing.
They include the hybrid gasoline engine, the blue light-emitting diode, the Yagi antenna, low-cost MRI machines that produce an MRI for only $100, etc.
By contrast, Africans (and Americans of African ancestry) have accomplished little in science and technology.
None of the Nobel prize winners in physics or chemistry is African.
We know that Japanese IQ is about 20 points higher than African IQ.
Could this IQ difference explain why all societies dominated by Africans are gross failures?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_17_1750224.29781607</id>
	<title>Cool</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255794960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is really cool.  I can't wait 'till stemcells can finally regrow whole bodies!  Imagine! Immortality at our doorstep!</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is really cool .
I ca n't wait 'till stemcells can finally regrow whole bodies !
Imagine ! Immortality at our doorstep !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is really cool.
I can't wait 'till stemcells can finally regrow whole bodies!
Imagine! Immortality at our doorstep!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_17_1750224.29781803</id>
	<title>Bone tissue vs bones</title>
	<author>dirkdodgers</author>
	<datestamp>1255798320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The surgeons had to build the shape and structure of the desired bone, the scaffolding, from cadaver femur bone tissue.</p><p>From the popular media I've been lead to believe the promise of stem cells the ability to grow specific bones, tissues, and organs, using information encoded in the cells, rather than just growing the generic tissue and shaping it artificially.</p><p>What needs to happen for us to go from growing cheek bone tissue around scaffolding, to implanting stem cells and instructing them to build cheek bones?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The surgeons had to build the shape and structure of the desired bone , the scaffolding , from cadaver femur bone tissue.From the popular media I 've been lead to believe the promise of stem cells the ability to grow specific bones , tissues , and organs , using information encoded in the cells , rather than just growing the generic tissue and shaping it artificially.What needs to happen for us to go from growing cheek bone tissue around scaffolding , to implanting stem cells and instructing them to build cheek bones ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The surgeons had to build the shape and structure of the desired bone, the scaffolding, from cadaver femur bone tissue.From the popular media I've been lead to believe the promise of stem cells the ability to grow specific bones, tissues, and organs, using information encoded in the cells, rather than just growing the generic tissue and shaping it artificially.What needs to happen for us to go from growing cheek bone tissue around scaffolding, to implanting stem cells and instructing them to build cheek bones?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_17_1750224.29781875</id>
	<title>Easy question</title>
	<author>Kohath</author>
	<datestamp>1255799460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The same two reasons they were always needed:</p><p>1. For people in the embryonic stem cell research business to cash in using government money.<br>2. As a political wedge issue.  Embryonic stem cells are needed in order to portray anyone religious (or anyone else who values human life before birth) as standing between the diseased and their inevitable cures.</p><p>They need to keep telling the story about the miracle cure that's <i>always</i> only a few years away in order to get out the votes, raise funds, spread hatred, marginalize religious minorities, and get the government to write them checks to fund it all again next election.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The same two reasons they were always needed : 1 .
For people in the embryonic stem cell research business to cash in using government money.2 .
As a political wedge issue .
Embryonic stem cells are needed in order to portray anyone religious ( or anyone else who values human life before birth ) as standing between the diseased and their inevitable cures.They need to keep telling the story about the miracle cure that 's always only a few years away in order to get out the votes , raise funds , spread hatred , marginalize religious minorities , and get the government to write them checks to fund it all again next election .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The same two reasons they were always needed:1.
For people in the embryonic stem cell research business to cash in using government money.2.
As a political wedge issue.
Embryonic stem cells are needed in order to portray anyone religious (or anyone else who values human life before birth) as standing between the diseased and their inevitable cures.They need to keep telling the story about the miracle cure that's always only a few years away in order to get out the votes, raise funds, spread hatred, marginalize religious minorities, and get the government to write them checks to fund it all again next election.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_17_1750224.29783525</id>
	<title>So when do the donor centers open?</title>
	<author>smchris</author>
	<datestamp>1255873680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I suspect a lot of us on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. could contribute.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I suspect a lot of us on / .
could contribute .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suspect a lot of us on /.
could contribute.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_17_1750224.29781631</id>
	<title>Fat head.</title>
	<author>schlick</author>
	<datestamp>1255795260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now he really has a "fat head"</p><p>"To create the new bones...the medical team used a combination of fat-derived stem cells..."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now he really has a " fat head " " To create the new bones...the medical team used a combination of fat-derived stem cells... "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now he really has a "fat head""To create the new bones...the medical team used a combination of fat-derived stem cells..."</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_17_1750224.29785353</id>
	<title>Re:Another success.</title>
	<author>Lord Kano</author>
	<datestamp>1255891620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Tell me again why you're asking on slashdot instead of reading a scientific paper on the benefits of ESC research?</i></p><p>To illustrate a point, you stupid ass.</p><p><i>Tell me you don't rely on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. comments for ALL your information on important subjects of the day.</i></p><p>I'm sorry, if you need someone to explain it all to you, you'll never be caught up.</p><p>LK</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tell me again why you 're asking on slashdot instead of reading a scientific paper on the benefits of ESC research ? To illustrate a point , you stupid ass.Tell me you do n't rely on / .
comments for ALL your information on important subjects of the day.I 'm sorry , if you need someone to explain it all to you , you 'll never be caught up.LK</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tell me again why you're asking on slashdot instead of reading a scientific paper on the benefits of ESC research?To illustrate a point, you stupid ass.Tell me you don't rely on /.
comments for ALL your information on important subjects of the day.I'm sorry, if you need someone to explain it all to you, you'll never be caught up.LK</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_17_1750224.29781893</id>
	<title>Re:Anglo-Saxon Intelligence: Amazing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255799700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Americans of African descent invented the technique for preserving blood plasma, pioneered open-heart surgery, the advanced shoe lath, and a slew of peanut-derived products including paints, plastics, and dyes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Americans of African descent invented the technique for preserving blood plasma , pioneered open-heart surgery , the advanced shoe lath , and a slew of peanut-derived products including paints , plastics , and dyes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Americans of African descent invented the technique for preserving blood plasma, pioneered open-heart surgery, the advanced shoe lath, and a slew of peanut-derived products including paints, plastics, and dyes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_17_1750224.29781647</id>
	<title>Need more bone.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255795680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>" The technique, should it be approved for widespread use, could benefit some seven million people in the US who need more bone" Isnt that what those Ashly Madison commercials have been about?</htmltext>
<tokenext>" The technique , should it be approved for widespread use , could benefit some seven million people in the US who need more bone " Isnt that what those Ashly Madison commercials have been about ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>" The technique, should it be approved for widespread use, could benefit some seven million people in the US who need more bone" Isnt that what those Ashly Madison commercials have been about?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_17_1750224.29781627</id>
	<title>Is there?</title>
	<author>Darkness404</author>
	<datestamp>1255795200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is there really a use now for embryonic stem cells now that we can do just about everything with adult stem cells? Really, if we could move some of the less informed political activists for more funding for adult stem cells perhaps we could do a lot more.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is there really a use now for embryonic stem cells now that we can do just about everything with adult stem cells ?
Really , if we could move some of the less informed political activists for more funding for adult stem cells perhaps we could do a lot more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is there really a use now for embryonic stem cells now that we can do just about everything with adult stem cells?
Really, if we could move some of the less informed political activists for more funding for adult stem cells perhaps we could do a lot more.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_17_1750224.29781701</id>
	<title>Re:Is there?</title>
	<author>SUB7IME</author>
	<datestamp>1255796340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The question of whether we can do "just about everything with adult stem cells" is still quite open.</p><p>Could we get more funding dedicated to stem cells if we required that it all be used for adult stem cell research? Yes. Would that accelerate the overall pace of advances in stem cell research? Quite possibly not. There are two different games right now: the first is to see what we can do with stem cells (this is largely being done with embryonic stem cells). The second is to see how we can make adult stem cells behave like embryonic stem cells. The second game feeds back into the first. Indeed, if we get good enough at the second, we will no longer need embryonic stem cells, and we can then focus all of our energies on seeing what we can do.</p><p>If and when we get really good at extracting or reprogramming adult cells to behave like embryonic stem cells, we will also have the side benefit of not having to worry about alloimunity (tissue rejection). For example, in the particular case being discussed here, the fear of alloimmunity was probably a key reason for making the effort to use the patient's own cells. In the meantime, from a scientific perspective, it is prudent to continue to invest in both embryonic stem cells and in research towards no longer needing embryos from which to harvest these cells.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The question of whether we can do " just about everything with adult stem cells " is still quite open.Could we get more funding dedicated to stem cells if we required that it all be used for adult stem cell research ?
Yes. Would that accelerate the overall pace of advances in stem cell research ?
Quite possibly not .
There are two different games right now : the first is to see what we can do with stem cells ( this is largely being done with embryonic stem cells ) .
The second is to see how we can make adult stem cells behave like embryonic stem cells .
The second game feeds back into the first .
Indeed , if we get good enough at the second , we will no longer need embryonic stem cells , and we can then focus all of our energies on seeing what we can do.If and when we get really good at extracting or reprogramming adult cells to behave like embryonic stem cells , we will also have the side benefit of not having to worry about alloimunity ( tissue rejection ) .
For example , in the particular case being discussed here , the fear of alloimmunity was probably a key reason for making the effort to use the patient 's own cells .
In the meantime , from a scientific perspective , it is prudent to continue to invest in both embryonic stem cells and in research towards no longer needing embryos from which to harvest these cells .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The question of whether we can do "just about everything with adult stem cells" is still quite open.Could we get more funding dedicated to stem cells if we required that it all be used for adult stem cell research?
Yes. Would that accelerate the overall pace of advances in stem cell research?
Quite possibly not.
There are two different games right now: the first is to see what we can do with stem cells (this is largely being done with embryonic stem cells).
The second is to see how we can make adult stem cells behave like embryonic stem cells.
The second game feeds back into the first.
Indeed, if we get good enough at the second, we will no longer need embryonic stem cells, and we can then focus all of our energies on seeing what we can do.If and when we get really good at extracting or reprogramming adult cells to behave like embryonic stem cells, we will also have the side benefit of not having to worry about alloimunity (tissue rejection).
For example, in the particular case being discussed here, the fear of alloimmunity was probably a key reason for making the effort to use the patient's own cells.
In the meantime, from a scientific perspective, it is prudent to continue to invest in both embryonic stem cells and in research towards no longer needing embryos from which to harvest these cells.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_17_1750224.29781603</id>
	<title>You saw it here first...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255794900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are some 7 million people in the US who need more bone.  Volunteers?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are some 7 million people in the US who need more bone .
Volunteers ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are some 7 million people in the US who need more bone.
Volunteers?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_17_1750224.29782287</id>
	<title>Too bad...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255807560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Say good bye to this sort of innovation when we have government health care.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Say good bye to this sort of innovation when we have government health care .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Say good bye to this sort of innovation when we have government health care.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_17_1750224.29781859</id>
	<title>Re:Anglo-Saxon Intelligence: Amazing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255799280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>the usual excuse of racism might have held water a hundred years ago.  now that "racist" is about the worst thing that could happen to your reputation, especially if you are an organization, and now that there is affirmative action, we are hard pressed to explain the lack of achievement of black people.  if they are in fact equal to whites and asians, then where are their achievements??
<br>&gt; <br>
Of course this does not begin to explain nations in which the vast majority of people are black, in which racism is a non-issue.  Why have those nations not been the bastions of peace and stability, if in fact racism is the main thing holding back black people?</htmltext>
<tokenext>the usual excuse of racism might have held water a hundred years ago .
now that " racist " is about the worst thing that could happen to your reputation , especially if you are an organization , and now that there is affirmative action , we are hard pressed to explain the lack of achievement of black people .
if they are in fact equal to whites and asians , then where are their achievements ? ?
&gt; Of course this does not begin to explain nations in which the vast majority of people are black , in which racism is a non-issue .
Why have those nations not been the bastions of peace and stability , if in fact racism is the main thing holding back black people ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the usual excuse of racism might have held water a hundred years ago.
now that "racist" is about the worst thing that could happen to your reputation, especially if you are an organization, and now that there is affirmative action, we are hard pressed to explain the lack of achievement of black people.
if they are in fact equal to whites and asians, then where are their achievements??
&gt; 
Of course this does not begin to explain nations in which the vast majority of people are black, in which racism is a non-issue.
Why have those nations not been the bastions of peace and stability, if in fact racism is the main thing holding back black people?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_17_1750224.29781943</id>
	<title>Re:Bone tissue vs bones</title>
	<author>khallow</author>
	<datestamp>1255800780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What needs to happen for us to go from growing cheek bone tissue around scaffolding, to implanting stem cells and instructing them to build cheek bones?</p></div><p>It may actually turn out to be impossible to do the latter without scaffolding. The problem is that when the fetus develops, everything grows at predetermined rates that fit with everything else that is going on in the fetus. When you're trying to grow a cheek bone on an adult, you're growing tissue out of sequence and off schedule. You can no longer count on whatever queues the body uses during the fetus development stage. They might still work, but that's unlikely in my view. In fact, I'd say that the need to use scaffolding now indicates that it probably wouldn't work. In my view, there's probably not that much difference between growing bone tissue now and using stem cells to start the process.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What needs to happen for us to go from growing cheek bone tissue around scaffolding , to implanting stem cells and instructing them to build cheek bones ? It may actually turn out to be impossible to do the latter without scaffolding .
The problem is that when the fetus develops , everything grows at predetermined rates that fit with everything else that is going on in the fetus .
When you 're trying to grow a cheek bone on an adult , you 're growing tissue out of sequence and off schedule .
You can no longer count on whatever queues the body uses during the fetus development stage .
They might still work , but that 's unlikely in my view .
In fact , I 'd say that the need to use scaffolding now indicates that it probably would n't work .
In my view , there 's probably not that much difference between growing bone tissue now and using stem cells to start the process .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What needs to happen for us to go from growing cheek bone tissue around scaffolding, to implanting stem cells and instructing them to build cheek bones?It may actually turn out to be impossible to do the latter without scaffolding.
The problem is that when the fetus develops, everything grows at predetermined rates that fit with everything else that is going on in the fetus.
When you're trying to grow a cheek bone on an adult, you're growing tissue out of sequence and off schedule.
You can no longer count on whatever queues the body uses during the fetus development stage.
They might still work, but that's unlikely in my view.
In fact, I'd say that the need to use scaffolding now indicates that it probably wouldn't work.
In my view, there's probably not that much difference between growing bone tissue now and using stem cells to start the process.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_17_1750224.29783199</id>
	<title>Old news?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255868760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Jaw bone replacement from stem cells was done in Finland already two years ago, although I am not able to comment on the procedure itself..</p><p><a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=fi&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http\%3A\%2F\%2Fsuomenkuvalehti.fi\%2Fjutut\%2Fterveys-ja-tiede\%2Freino-leisti-sai-kantasoluista-kasvatetun-uuden-ylaleuan" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=fi&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http\%3A\%2F\%2Fsuomenkuvalehti.fi\%2Fjutut\%2Fterveys-ja-tiede\%2Freino-leisti-sai-kantasoluista-kasvatetun-uuden-ylaleuan</a> [google.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Jaw bone replacement from stem cells was done in Finland already two years ago , although I am not able to comment on the procedure itself..http : //translate.google.com/translate ? hl = en&amp;sl = fi&amp;tl = en&amp;u = http \ % 3A \ % 2F \ % 2Fsuomenkuvalehti.fi \ % 2Fjutut \ % 2Fterveys-ja-tiede \ % 2Freino-leisti-sai-kantasoluista-kasvatetun-uuden-ylaleuan [ google.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Jaw bone replacement from stem cells was done in Finland already two years ago, although I am not able to comment on the procedure itself..http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=fi&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http\%3A\%2F\%2Fsuomenkuvalehti.fi\%2Fjutut\%2Fterveys-ja-tiede\%2Freino-leisti-sai-kantasoluista-kasvatetun-uuden-ylaleuan [google.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_17_1750224.29781811</id>
	<title>Another success.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255798380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tell me again why we need embryonic stem cells.</p><p>LK</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tell me again why we need embryonic stem cells.LK</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tell me again why we need embryonic stem cells.LK</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_17_1750224.29782121</id>
	<title>Re:Is there?</title>
	<author>interkin3tic</author>
	<datestamp>1255804920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Is there really a use now for embryonic stem cells now that we can do just about everything with adult stem cells?</p> </div><p>There are.  Basic research on cell biology for one.  One of the best ways to study how a cell commits to whatever fate it's going to take, and maybe find ways of correcting that when it goes wrong, is to study the actual cells.  Another is studying how to turn one cell into another, again by studying how cells do it normally.</p><p>One of the successes of ESC research is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced\_pluripotent\_stem\_cell" title="wikipedia.org">induced pluripotent stem cells</a> [wikipedia.org].  They were first made based off work done in embryonic stem cells.  It looks like IPSC is going to be the technology that will allow us to replace tissues as needed, not ESC, but that might turn out not to be the case.  With no cell technology having proven itself capable of replacing every tissue in patients without causing cancer or other problems, the race isn't over, and we should avoid the temptation to call it too early.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Is there really a use now for embryonic stem cells now that we can do just about everything with adult stem cells ?
There are .
Basic research on cell biology for one .
One of the best ways to study how a cell commits to whatever fate it 's going to take , and maybe find ways of correcting that when it goes wrong , is to study the actual cells .
Another is studying how to turn one cell into another , again by studying how cells do it normally.One of the successes of ESC research is induced pluripotent stem cells [ wikipedia.org ] .
They were first made based off work done in embryonic stem cells .
It looks like IPSC is going to be the technology that will allow us to replace tissues as needed , not ESC , but that might turn out not to be the case .
With no cell technology having proven itself capable of replacing every tissue in patients without causing cancer or other problems , the race is n't over , and we should avoid the temptation to call it too early .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is there really a use now for embryonic stem cells now that we can do just about everything with adult stem cells?
There are.
Basic research on cell biology for one.
One of the best ways to study how a cell commits to whatever fate it's going to take, and maybe find ways of correcting that when it goes wrong, is to study the actual cells.
Another is studying how to turn one cell into another, again by studying how cells do it normally.One of the successes of ESC research is induced pluripotent stem cells [wikipedia.org].
They were first made based off work done in embryonic stem cells.
It looks like IPSC is going to be the technology that will allow us to replace tissues as needed, not ESC, but that might turn out not to be the case.
With no cell technology having proven itself capable of replacing every tissue in patients without causing cancer or other problems, the race isn't over, and we should avoid the temptation to call it too early.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_17_1750224.29781685</id>
	<title>Call the Doctor!</title>
	<author>MuscaDomestica</author>
	<datestamp>1255796160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Adipose Industries is acting up again!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Adipose Industries is acting up again !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Adipose Industries is acting up again!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_17_1750224.29781917</id>
	<title>Re:Cool</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255800120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And imagine those brains that become "inelastic" and slower to learn. Imagine having a body that is immortal, but a brain that is slowly losing function.</p></div><p>If we can fix the body so that it no longer ages, then we can fix the brain so that it no longer ages.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And imagine those brains that become " inelastic " and slower to learn .
Imagine having a body that is immortal , but a brain that is slowly losing function.If we can fix the body so that it no longer ages , then we can fix the brain so that it no longer ages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And imagine those brains that become "inelastic" and slower to learn.
Imagine having a body that is immortal, but a brain that is slowly losing function.If we can fix the body so that it no longer ages, then we can fix the brain so that it no longer ages.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_17_1750224.29782939</id>
	<title>Re:Anglo-Saxon Intelligence: Amazing</title>
	<author>St.Creed</author>
	<datestamp>1255862820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>We know that Japanese IQ is about 20 points higher than African IQ.  Could this IQ difference explain why all societies dominated by Africans are gross failures?</p></div><p>If politics had something to do with intelligence instead of interests, you might have a point. But even in that case, you're wrong. In societies with a large amount of inequality, such as China, the USA, and most African nations, IQ is much less inherited than it is socially determined. Only when you get to societies where everyone has equal access to education, regardless of income, you see that IQ is related more to the person than to his circumstances.</p><p>So IQ being higher in Japan could well mean that access to education in Japan is available to everyone and not restricted to a fairly wealthy subset of the population, such as in the USA.</p><p>Ofcourse, your argument was bullshit to begin with: you had to restrict it to the USA and Japan to start with, then you had to restrict it to only the physics and chemistry nobel prizes because including literature or a peace prize (Obama) would have destroyed your argument right off the bat. And ofcourse you had to ignore the fact that a lot of those contributions came about when the African Americans were still enslaved or had just left slavery - slavery tends to reduce your chance of becoming a Nobel prize winner a bit.</p><p>In other words: you had to put on a blindfold in order not to see the gaping holes in your argument. Well, good luck in your cosy little world. It must be pretty peaceful when you only see things you want to see.</p></div>
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<tokenext>We know that Japanese IQ is about 20 points higher than African IQ .
Could this IQ difference explain why all societies dominated by Africans are gross failures ? If politics had something to do with intelligence instead of interests , you might have a point .
But even in that case , you 're wrong .
In societies with a large amount of inequality , such as China , the USA , and most African nations , IQ is much less inherited than it is socially determined .
Only when you get to societies where everyone has equal access to education , regardless of income , you see that IQ is related more to the person than to his circumstances.So IQ being higher in Japan could well mean that access to education in Japan is available to everyone and not restricted to a fairly wealthy subset of the population , such as in the USA.Ofcourse , your argument was bullshit to begin with : you had to restrict it to the USA and Japan to start with , then you had to restrict it to only the physics and chemistry nobel prizes because including literature or a peace prize ( Obama ) would have destroyed your argument right off the bat .
And ofcourse you had to ignore the fact that a lot of those contributions came about when the African Americans were still enslaved or had just left slavery - slavery tends to reduce your chance of becoming a Nobel prize winner a bit.In other words : you had to put on a blindfold in order not to see the gaping holes in your argument .
Well , good luck in your cosy little world .
It must be pretty peaceful when you only see things you want to see .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We know that Japanese IQ is about 20 points higher than African IQ.
Could this IQ difference explain why all societies dominated by Africans are gross failures?If politics had something to do with intelligence instead of interests, you might have a point.
But even in that case, you're wrong.
In societies with a large amount of inequality, such as China, the USA, and most African nations, IQ is much less inherited than it is socially determined.
Only when you get to societies where everyone has equal access to education, regardless of income, you see that IQ is related more to the person than to his circumstances.So IQ being higher in Japan could well mean that access to education in Japan is available to everyone and not restricted to a fairly wealthy subset of the population, such as in the USA.Ofcourse, your argument was bullshit to begin with: you had to restrict it to the USA and Japan to start with, then you had to restrict it to only the physics and chemistry nobel prizes because including literature or a peace prize (Obama) would have destroyed your argument right off the bat.
And ofcourse you had to ignore the fact that a lot of those contributions came about when the African Americans were still enslaved or had just left slavery - slavery tends to reduce your chance of becoming a Nobel prize winner a bit.In other words: you had to put on a blindfold in order not to see the gaping holes in your argument.
Well, good luck in your cosy little world.
It must be pretty peaceful when you only see things you want to see.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_17_1750224.29781699</id>
	<title>Re:Is there?</title>
	<author>Shadow of Eternity</author>
	<datestamp>1255796340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>is there really any reason to be against embryonic stem cells now that they can be harvested without embryo destruction, or are made from sources that would be completely discarded anyway? Really, if we could move some of the less informed political activists for less wharrgarbl we could do a lot more with both types of stem cells.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>is there really any reason to be against embryonic stem cells now that they can be harvested without embryo destruction , or are made from sources that would be completely discarded anyway ?
Really , if we could move some of the less informed political activists for less wharrgarbl we could do a lot more with both types of stem cells .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is there really any reason to be against embryonic stem cells now that they can be harvested without embryo destruction, or are made from sources that would be completely discarded anyway?
Really, if we could move some of the less informed political activists for less wharrgarbl we could do a lot more with both types of stem cells.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_17_1750224.29783655</id>
	<title>Once again</title>
	<author>TheNormal</author>
	<datestamp>1255875180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Once again another non-embryonic stem cell cure.  Adult stem cells: 458, Embryonic stem cells: zip.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Once again another non-embryonic stem cell cure .
Adult stem cells : 458 , Embryonic stem cells : zip .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Once again another non-embryonic stem cell cure.
Adult stem cells: 458, Embryonic stem cells: zip.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_17_1750224.29782233</id>
	<title>Re:Cool</title>
	<author>BikeHelmet</author>
	<datestamp>1255806660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And imagine those brains that become "inelastic" and slower to learn. Imagine having a body that is immortal, but a brain that is slowly losing function.</p></div><p>Being 25 years old until I die of stupidity/old-age at 90? (Maybe I burned my house down? =P )</p><p>Sign me up!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And imagine those brains that become " inelastic " and slower to learn .
Imagine having a body that is immortal , but a brain that is slowly losing function.Being 25 years old until I die of stupidity/old-age at 90 ?
( Maybe I burned my house down ?
= P ) Sign me up !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And imagine those brains that become "inelastic" and slower to learn.
Imagine having a body that is immortal, but a brain that is slowly losing function.Being 25 years old until I die of stupidity/old-age at 90?
(Maybe I burned my house down?
=P )Sign me up!
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_17_1750224.29781889</id>
	<title>Re:Cool</title>
	<author>Kohath</author>
	<datestamp>1255799580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's better than a frail body with "a brain that is slowly losing function" ?  Really?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's better than a frail body with " a brain that is slowly losing function " ?
Really ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's better than a frail body with "a brain that is slowly losing function" ?
Really?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_17_1750224.29781707</id>
	<title>Skele-gro</title>
	<author>cadience</author>
	<datestamp>1255796400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hmmm just like Skele-gro from Harry potter.

Adds another check-mark for the old contra:

"Any significantly advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmmm just like Skele-gro from Harry potter .
Adds another check-mark for the old contra : " Any significantly advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmmm just like Skele-gro from Harry potter.
Adds another check-mark for the old contra:

"Any significantly advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_17_1750224.29781865</id>
	<title>Great possibilities for dental repair</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255799400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>This technique will be a great boon for people with a massive amount of dental damage - where the jaw has been eaten away from disease, or injury has made it impossible to even use dentures. It'll likely be expensive for a long time, but for people who are facing a life of eating through a straw, and having massive facial deformities, this would be a huge change in their lives.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This technique will be a great boon for people with a massive amount of dental damage - where the jaw has been eaten away from disease , or injury has made it impossible to even use dentures .
It 'll likely be expensive for a long time , but for people who are facing a life of eating through a straw , and having massive facial deformities , this would be a huge change in their lives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This technique will be a great boon for people with a massive amount of dental damage - where the jaw has been eaten away from disease, or injury has made it impossible to even use dentures.
It'll likely be expensive for a long time, but for people who are facing a life of eating through a straw, and having massive facial deformities, this would be a huge change in their lives.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_17_1750224.29781743</id>
	<title>Re:Cool</title>
	<author>joocemann</author>
	<datestamp>1255797000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is really cool.  I can't wait 'till stemcells can finally regrow whole bodies!  Imagine! Immortality at our doorstep!</p></div><p>In July, this year, 3 separate labs were able to produce normal healthy adult reproducing mice from induced pluripotent stem cells.</p><p>Research on mice usually done so because they are mammals like us and many techniques can be easily translated to work on/with humans.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is really cool .
I ca n't wait 'till stemcells can finally regrow whole bodies !
Imagine ! Immortality at our doorstep ! In July , this year , 3 separate labs were able to produce normal healthy adult reproducing mice from induced pluripotent stem cells.Research on mice usually done so because they are mammals like us and many techniques can be easily translated to work on/with humans .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is really cool.
I can't wait 'till stemcells can finally regrow whole bodies!
Imagine! Immortality at our doorstep!In July, this year, 3 separate labs were able to produce normal healthy adult reproducing mice from induced pluripotent stem cells.Research on mice usually done so because they are mammals like us and many techniques can be easily translated to work on/with humans.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_17_1750224.29781679</id>
	<title>Re:Cool</title>
	<author>Idiomatick</author>
	<datestamp>1255796040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Better yet we could regrow whole Shakey's Pizzas!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Better yet we could regrow whole Shakey 's Pizzas !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Better yet we could regrow whole Shakey's Pizzas!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_17_1750224.29781841</id>
	<title>Re:Need more bone.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255798980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>seven million people in the US who need more bone</p></div><p>I didn't know there were that many nymphomaniacs in the US.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>seven million people in the US who need more boneI did n't know there were that many nymphomaniacs in the US .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>seven million people in the US who need more boneI didn't know there were that many nymphomaniacs in the US.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_17_1750224.29793817</id>
	<title>Re:Is there?</title>
	<author>pbizannes</author>
	<datestamp>1255965780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>These were not embryonic stem cells. This issue has typically been muddied to cause this confusion. They were adult stem cells. The reason to be against the use of embryonic stem cells is because they involve the death of the embryo, and contrary to popular opinion, any first-year textbook on embryology will inform you that an embryo is a human being.</p><p>What therapies have embryonic stem cells given us?,And what expectation is there for embryonic stem cells to be used in therapies? None. What therapies have adult stem cells given us? Well, it has made people with spinal injuries walk, for starters. Do a google search for: "Adult Stem Cell Grafts Help Paralyzed" for an example. If Christopher Reeve was alive today, he would have egg on his face for supporting embryonic stem cell research.</p><p>Now, with induced pluripotent stem cells being produced in vast numbers safely - just do a google search for "Scripps ipsc" - what is the point of any embryonic stem cell research? IPSCs can be generated quicker, cheaper, and by less-experienced personal (including medical doctors themselves). It has the one feature of embryonic stem cells for which they are prized - pluripotency - without the problems of embryonic stem cells - lack of sufficient genetic relationship to a patient (even with cloning, you don't get that). There is no therapeutic requirement for embryonic stem cells - and never was, by the way, as said by even James Thompson, the pioneer of embryonic stem cell research. There is no research requirement anymore with IPSCs.</p><p>So, I rephrase your question<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... is there any reason to be for embryonic stem cells? I can think of a possible reason<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... it gives drug companies a source that they can control. I am sure it is just a co-incidence that drug companies are spending billions on trying to influence political candidates to support embryonic stem cell research.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>These were not embryonic stem cells .
This issue has typically been muddied to cause this confusion .
They were adult stem cells .
The reason to be against the use of embryonic stem cells is because they involve the death of the embryo , and contrary to popular opinion , any first-year textbook on embryology will inform you that an embryo is a human being.What therapies have embryonic stem cells given us ? ,And what expectation is there for embryonic stem cells to be used in therapies ?
None. What therapies have adult stem cells given us ?
Well , it has made people with spinal injuries walk , for starters .
Do a google search for : " Adult Stem Cell Grafts Help Paralyzed " for an example .
If Christopher Reeve was alive today , he would have egg on his face for supporting embryonic stem cell research.Now , with induced pluripotent stem cells being produced in vast numbers safely - just do a google search for " Scripps ipsc " - what is the point of any embryonic stem cell research ?
IPSCs can be generated quicker , cheaper , and by less-experienced personal ( including medical doctors themselves ) .
It has the one feature of embryonic stem cells for which they are prized - pluripotency - without the problems of embryonic stem cells - lack of sufficient genetic relationship to a patient ( even with cloning , you do n't get that ) .
There is no therapeutic requirement for embryonic stem cells - and never was , by the way , as said by even James Thompson , the pioneer of embryonic stem cell research .
There is no research requirement anymore with IPSCs.So , I rephrase your question ... is there any reason to be for embryonic stem cells ?
I can think of a possible reason ... it gives drug companies a source that they can control .
I am sure it is just a co-incidence that drug companies are spending billions on trying to influence political candidates to support embryonic stem cell research .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These were not embryonic stem cells.
This issue has typically been muddied to cause this confusion.
They were adult stem cells.
The reason to be against the use of embryonic stem cells is because they involve the death of the embryo, and contrary to popular opinion, any first-year textbook on embryology will inform you that an embryo is a human being.What therapies have embryonic stem cells given us?,And what expectation is there for embryonic stem cells to be used in therapies?
None. What therapies have adult stem cells given us?
Well, it has made people with spinal injuries walk, for starters.
Do a google search for: "Adult Stem Cell Grafts Help Paralyzed" for an example.
If Christopher Reeve was alive today, he would have egg on his face for supporting embryonic stem cell research.Now, with induced pluripotent stem cells being produced in vast numbers safely - just do a google search for "Scripps ipsc" - what is the point of any embryonic stem cell research?
IPSCs can be generated quicker, cheaper, and by less-experienced personal (including medical doctors themselves).
It has the one feature of embryonic stem cells for which they are prized - pluripotency - without the problems of embryonic stem cells - lack of sufficient genetic relationship to a patient (even with cloning, you don't get that).
There is no therapeutic requirement for embryonic stem cells - and never was, by the way, as said by even James Thompson, the pioneer of embryonic stem cell research.
There is no research requirement anymore with IPSCs.So, I rephrase your question ... is there any reason to be for embryonic stem cells?
I can think of a possible reason ... it gives drug companies a source that they can control.
I am sure it is just a co-incidence that drug companies are spending billions on trying to influence political candidates to support embryonic stem cell research.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_17_1750224.29788589</id>
	<title>Re:Cool</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255875180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Heh heh, heh heh, heh heh... Dude, they said, "people who need more bone." Hey, do they need more bone, or do they need more BONE!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Heh heh , heh heh , heh heh... Dude , they said , " people who need more bone .
" Hey , do they need more bone , or do they need more BONE !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Heh heh, heh heh, heh heh... Dude, they said, "people who need more bone.
" Hey, do they need more bone, or do they need more BONE!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_17_1750224.29781635</id>
	<title>Re:Cool</title>
	<author>MyLongNickName</author>
	<datestamp>1255795380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And imagine those brains that become "inelastic" and slower to learn. Imagine having a body that is immortal, but a brain that is slowly losing function.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And imagine those brains that become " inelastic " and slower to learn .
Imagine having a body that is immortal , but a brain that is slowly losing function .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And imagine those brains that become "inelastic" and slower to learn.
Imagine having a body that is immortal, but a brain that is slowly losing function.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_17_1750224.29781709</id>
	<title>Re:Is there?</title>
	<author>Idiomatick</author>
	<datestamp>1255796460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was thinking it might actually be beneficial if we could unite scientists to give up on embryonic stem cells completely. Sure we would be giving up on possibly a good amount of useful science for no ethical reason. <br> <br>But if we did so we could have a new campaign saying the right wing won lets and we are never going to kill fetuses or w/e it is they think. And the same time promote this fancy new stemcell that comes from your own body. It would be a media frenzy that maybe gets the right on board enough for Fox to ok it. Hopefully getting funding from both sides in the process.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was thinking it might actually be beneficial if we could unite scientists to give up on embryonic stem cells completely .
Sure we would be giving up on possibly a good amount of useful science for no ethical reason .
But if we did so we could have a new campaign saying the right wing won lets and we are never going to kill fetuses or w/e it is they think .
And the same time promote this fancy new stemcell that comes from your own body .
It would be a media frenzy that maybe gets the right on board enough for Fox to ok it .
Hopefully getting funding from both sides in the process .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was thinking it might actually be beneficial if we could unite scientists to give up on embryonic stem cells completely.
Sure we would be giving up on possibly a good amount of useful science for no ethical reason.
But if we did so we could have a new campaign saying the right wing won lets and we are never going to kill fetuses or w/e it is they think.
And the same time promote this fancy new stemcell that comes from your own body.
It would be a media frenzy that maybe gets the right on board enough for Fox to ok it.
Hopefully getting funding from both sides in the process.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_17_1750224.29782807</id>
	<title>Re:Another success.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255860600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because its available and advances stem cell research as a whole.  Once we master tissue regrowth, the parallel research of adapting adult stem cells to perform like embryonic stem cells will benefit by being able to replace aborted fetuses for stem cells (and since its the patients own tissue, ignore any rejection issues).</p><p>All the research takes us to the endgame of being able to maximize the utilization of our existing stem cells.  We have to be able to 1) convert adult stem cells, and 2) know that they will grow the tissue we specify.  I am all for this research, even if I am against abortion as a whole.  At least those lives would not be going to waste (the same reason people donate their bodies to science after death, to provide further education that "morals" prevent during one's lifetime).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because its available and advances stem cell research as a whole .
Once we master tissue regrowth , the parallel research of adapting adult stem cells to perform like embryonic stem cells will benefit by being able to replace aborted fetuses for stem cells ( and since its the patients own tissue , ignore any rejection issues ) .All the research takes us to the endgame of being able to maximize the utilization of our existing stem cells .
We have to be able to 1 ) convert adult stem cells , and 2 ) know that they will grow the tissue we specify .
I am all for this research , even if I am against abortion as a whole .
At least those lives would not be going to waste ( the same reason people donate their bodies to science after death , to provide further education that " morals " prevent during one 's lifetime ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because its available and advances stem cell research as a whole.
Once we master tissue regrowth, the parallel research of adapting adult stem cells to perform like embryonic stem cells will benefit by being able to replace aborted fetuses for stem cells (and since its the patients own tissue, ignore any rejection issues).All the research takes us to the endgame of being able to maximize the utilization of our existing stem cells.
We have to be able to 1) convert adult stem cells, and 2) know that they will grow the tissue we specify.
I am all for this research, even if I am against abortion as a whole.
At least those lives would not be going to waste (the same reason people donate their bodies to science after death, to provide further education that "morals" prevent during one's lifetime).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_17_1750224.29789973</id>
	<title>Before and after photos</title>
	<author>peipas</author>
	<datestamp>1255886880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here are <a href="http://www.cincinnatichildrens.org/about/news/tissue/default.htm" title="cincinnatichildrens.org">before and after photos</a> [cincinnatichildrens.org] of the teen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here are before and after photos [ cincinnatichildrens.org ] of the teen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here are before and after photos [cincinnatichildrens.org] of the teen.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_17_1750224.29782133</id>
	<title>Re:Another success.</title>
	<author>interkin3tic</author>
	<datestamp>1255805040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Tell me again why we need embryonic stem cells.</p></div><p>Tell me again why you're asking on slashdot instead of reading a scientific paper on the benefits of ESC research?  Tell me you don't rely on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. comments for ALL your information on important subjects of the day.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Tell me again why we need embryonic stem cells.Tell me again why you 're asking on slashdot instead of reading a scientific paper on the benefits of ESC research ?
Tell me you do n't rely on / .
comments for ALL your information on important subjects of the day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tell me again why we need embryonic stem cells.Tell me again why you're asking on slashdot instead of reading a scientific paper on the benefits of ESC research?
Tell me you don't rely on /.
comments for ALL your information on important subjects of the day.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_17_1750224.29781761</id>
	<title>I'm not...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255797420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not fat! I'm just big boned!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not fat !
I 'm just big boned !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not fat!
I'm just big boned!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_17_1750224.29781929</id>
	<title>Re:Another success.</title>
	<author>khallow</author>
	<datestamp>1255800360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>At the least, we need to know if we can replicate fully the features and functions of embryonic stem cells. We'll need embryonic stem cells for that purpose alone. If adult stem cells don't work completely like embryonic stem cells, that means that we may need a supply of embryonic stem cells indefinitely as well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>At the least , we need to know if we can replicate fully the features and functions of embryonic stem cells .
We 'll need embryonic stem cells for that purpose alone .
If adult stem cells do n't work completely like embryonic stem cells , that means that we may need a supply of embryonic stem cells indefinitely as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At the least, we need to know if we can replicate fully the features and functions of embryonic stem cells.
We'll need embryonic stem cells for that purpose alone.
If adult stem cells don't work completely like embryonic stem cells, that means that we may need a supply of embryonic stem cells indefinitely as well.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_17_1750224.29781729</id>
	<title>Re:Is there?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255796700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a feeling that we'll get a few people who were against embryonic stem cell research saying that because they were against embryonic, adult stem cell research flourished and thus they should be seen as something good for the scientific community.</p><p>Ugh.</p><p>Anyway, what I'm really impressed at is that this is an interesting story which appears to already have jumped through most of the hoops*, allowing it to be put on the market fairly soon. Compared to those stories about "Innovative new theory takes first steps!" which would at best be approved 40 years from now this is far more exciting.</p><p>*Note that I assume it's jumped through the hoops because there's been human testing that's been checked for a period of time to make sure it won't be rejected.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a feeling that we 'll get a few people who were against embryonic stem cell research saying that because they were against embryonic , adult stem cell research flourished and thus they should be seen as something good for the scientific community.Ugh.Anyway , what I 'm really impressed at is that this is an interesting story which appears to already have jumped through most of the hoops * , allowing it to be put on the market fairly soon .
Compared to those stories about " Innovative new theory takes first steps !
" which would at best be approved 40 years from now this is far more exciting .
* Note that I assume it 's jumped through the hoops because there 's been human testing that 's been checked for a period of time to make sure it wo n't be rejected .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a feeling that we'll get a few people who were against embryonic stem cell research saying that because they were against embryonic, adult stem cell research flourished and thus they should be seen as something good for the scientific community.Ugh.Anyway, what I'm really impressed at is that this is an interesting story which appears to already have jumped through most of the hoops*, allowing it to be put on the market fairly soon.
Compared to those stories about "Innovative new theory takes first steps!
" which would at best be approved 40 years from now this is far more exciting.
*Note that I assume it's jumped through the hoops because there's been human testing that's been checked for a period of time to make sure it won't be rejected.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_17_1750224.29781863</id>
	<title>Re:Cool</title>
	<author>dirkdodgers</author>
	<datestamp>1255799340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If we had the technology, would the world tolerate its use?</p><p>Currently in first world countries being rich or being poor might make life more or less pleasant for its approximately 77 years, but so far, being the wealthiest or most powerful person in the world can't even guarantee you'll live to see 90.</p><p>If being rich and being poor meant the difference between living to 177 instead of 77, or even 177 instead of 107, what would that do to our society?</p><p>How many people would steal or kill to live even another 70 years? How many people would kill or go to war to allow a parent, spouse, or child to live another 70 years?</p><p>I'd like to think that Heinz wouldn't kill to allow his wife to live another 70 years, but I don't know that I wouldn't. I don't know that I wouldn't for myself. Would you?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If we had the technology , would the world tolerate its use ? Currently in first world countries being rich or being poor might make life more or less pleasant for its approximately 77 years , but so far , being the wealthiest or most powerful person in the world ca n't even guarantee you 'll live to see 90.If being rich and being poor meant the difference between living to 177 instead of 77 , or even 177 instead of 107 , what would that do to our society ? How many people would steal or kill to live even another 70 years ?
How many people would kill or go to war to allow a parent , spouse , or child to live another 70 years ? I 'd like to think that Heinz would n't kill to allow his wife to live another 70 years , but I do n't know that I would n't .
I do n't know that I would n't for myself .
Would you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If we had the technology, would the world tolerate its use?Currently in first world countries being rich or being poor might make life more or less pleasant for its approximately 77 years, but so far, being the wealthiest or most powerful person in the world can't even guarantee you'll live to see 90.If being rich and being poor meant the difference between living to 177 instead of 77, or even 177 instead of 107, what would that do to our society?How many people would steal or kill to live even another 70 years?
How many people would kill or go to war to allow a parent, spouse, or child to live another 70 years?I'd like to think that Heinz wouldn't kill to allow his wife to live another 70 years, but I don't know that I wouldn't.
I don't know that I wouldn't for myself.
Would you?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_17_1750224.29784279</id>
	<title>Damaged fingers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255881120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How far are they from growing me the last phalanx that i lost in an accident? Sorry, i'm on my cellphone</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How far are they from growing me the last phalanx that i lost in an accident ?
Sorry , i 'm on my cellphone</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How far are they from growing me the last phalanx that i lost in an accident?
Sorry, i'm on my cellphone</sentencetext>
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